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BYW Retrospective: Ryan Ragnorok Part 1

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

DUE TO TECHNICAL ISSUES, THE LAST HOUR OF THIS PODCAST WAS NOT RECORDED.
JEFF WILL JOIN US FOR PART TWO, AND WE WILL SUMMARIZE THE PART THAT WAS NOT RECORDED.


One of the great stars from the NJ BYW scene, Jeff Layton, joins Erik and Matt for another edition of the BYW Retrospective series.
Sit back with Erik, Jeff, and Matt, as we learn all about Ryan Ragnorok and how he found the GBYWN.

We just scratched the surface, but topics include:

His start, his dabble with indy wrestling, the jersey scene, EWA, his tag team with Danny Devine, and some rats.

There's plenty of good memories shared in this episode, and there's more with Jeff to dive into.

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Yeah. Waaah wah, die die
pull up rock Dove, die die,
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and we are live here. On
May seventh, twenty twenty four. Oh,
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I was booked, Derek. Yeah, I don't know your booked either.
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My game fuck yet pull pull up
the Dennis pull up the Dennis stamp
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clip. I wasn't. I guess
I wasn't booked. I'm not I'm not
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boo. But this is this is
uh our backyard wrestling podcast hosted by the
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Inside. He was read his own
podcast. I'm Eric Williams. As you
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heard Matt Nemo. Now it's going
on. Eric, It's beautiful day.
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Happy. We got our guests on
today. Uh, well of the good
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dudes I didn't spend enough time with
in the yard if we're being honest.
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But let's introduce him. Jeff.
I'm glad you're here and excited to dive
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in deep with the baby boy.
What we got the name out there?
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It's Ryan right, Ryan, Ryan
right, You're right, Denisie get it
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right, brother, We're going back. I was looking back today just kind
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of seeing where when I'm when we
when we started talking and it came back
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to November of twenty ten, was
the first time that I actually met you
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at uh Goodbye in h So we're
going back. We're going back to about
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fourteen years. But we really started
like you came to Goodbye in twenty ten.
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That was the first time I met
you, and then twenty eleven we
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pretty much started like really like if
I look back at like messages and stuff
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like that, I uh, you
know, the twenty eleven was pretty much
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like the year that we really started
talking. But a lot has happened in
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thirteen years, a lot in your
life, a lot personally. Yes there
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you from from Jersey back to Florida, back to you know, a lot
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of stuff that we can cover.
Uh, there's so much to cover in
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in this podcast. But this is
you know again strictly back here wrestling,
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and you've grown. Like I said, I'm proud of the person you've become.
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Thank you as a man and stuff
of that. But let's get into
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the backyard stuff. People don't want
to hear the sappy bullshit. That's for
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some other fucking maybe a life podcast, maybe forgetting like a life podcast.
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They want to hear pew pew pew
pwe yeah, yeah, pew pew,
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But uh, let's get into the
backyard stuff. All right, to call
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you, I'm gonna call you Jeff
is fucking Hey, we're talking to Jeff
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here today. But Jeff, Now
we're not talking Ryan Rap. Yeah,
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we're gonna tell you Jeff today.
You're Jeff. However, for people at
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home that you want to search them
as like the interview goes, just check
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the chat room. They'll be posting
links to some of the stuff we talked
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about. But uh, Jeff,
I mean, I don't want to ask
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the stupidity question first that or how
did you get into wrestling? Blah blah
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blah, Like no freaking everybody gets
into wrestling, and everybody that's how you
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get involved in wrestling, but you
watch it whatever. I want to know
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how you got into the actual form
that is called the backyard wrestling that we
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know now, Like I know,
fucking around and you know in in in
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your in your parents, you know, basement or whatever like that, all
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that stuff. How did you get
involved into the actual backyard scene. So
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I want to say it started around
two thousand and eight, give or take.
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I was just in high school again. It kind of it was like
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the tail end of just fucking around
with my friends in the yard. Those
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guys were kind of coming and going
at that point, they weren't as interested
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in it anymore. So I never
forget. I was in a high school
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class and I think it was like
video production and there was a dude I
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actually kind of work with him now. He works at one of my eighteen
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T locations. Met him in class. We did a man on a Street
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interview and he did it in a
lutidor mask, and I happen to be
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like, dude, do you like
wrestling. He's like, obviously I'm wearing
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alutador mask. I'm like, hey, I wrestle. Do you want to
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wrestle? And he's like, oh, bro, I wrestle. We wrestle
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in the backyard, and I'm like, cool, fucking more people in my
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area. So that's how I met
g Fatal Saint Vengeance Strike those guys right,
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and they they were wrestling and it's
actually funny. So I have this
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show in my backyard and the kid
told me beforehand that I had the class
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with. He goes, oh,
yeah, you might want to stay away
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from those guys. They're they're trampoline
pussies like, and I was like okay.
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So that that's my first impression that
I get of like Glenny and Pete
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and all those guys kill a Kay
and I'm like, okay, they're trampoline
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pussies. Actually, though I knew
kill a Kay before all this, kill
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a Kay and I had gym class
in high school together, and I don't
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know about you guys, but we
had to wear like plain white T shirts
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for gym class. Well, he
had a new Jersey Lottery shirt. That's
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where he wore every single day.
So his nickname was Lottery. So when
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he shows in my backyard, I
don't know him is kill a Ka.
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I'm like, Lottery, what the
fuck are you doing here? Like how
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are you involved in this? And
he's like, hey, man, I'm
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talking about McDonald reefer. Like for
you guys, for you guys that don't
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understand, that's accurate. Killicky.
Yeah, that's how killer Ka talks.
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I'm one of the few people that
could decipher what killer Kay actually says.
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But anyways, so that's how I
met those guys, and they're likeyeah,
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trampoline pussies. So all day Lee
Streife's coming up to me. He's like,
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you know, when you want to
wrestle, when you want to wrestle
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because this was the kind of show. It's just like, I don't know,
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thirty something, dude. This is
like my first big kind of like
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super show type deal, and I
hosted at my house. It's like thirty
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dudes just showed up and we're just
like, whoever wants to wrestle, just
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wrestle, like, no matches planned, nothing, So guys are wrestling like
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and when I say wrestling, ain't
that great, but like three, four
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or five fucking times, whatever they
wanted to do, they just went in
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did their thing. So Lee's coming
up to me the whole time when you
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want to wrestle, and I'm just
in the back of my mind, I'm
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like, trampoline pussies. So I'm
like, I don't know. You guys
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just do your own things. So
finally I watched Glenn, Pete and Lee
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have a triple threat match, and
at that time, it was like the
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coolest fucking thing I had ever seen. And I just look over at my
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friend Eric, I said, trampoline
pussies, huh. And I go up
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to Glenn. I said, I'm
wrestling again next week here, when do
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you want to have a match?
And that is how I met them all
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Glenn's dayed the night before we went
over the match. We had a killer
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fucking match for that time, great
mystery right off the rip, and I
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was like, I want to keep
wrestling with these guys. So now through
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those guys, I met Blessed.
For you guys who don't know Blessed,
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Blessed did a lot of video editing
and all that type of stuff. This
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is going back to the AIM days, to MySpace days. So met Blessed
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through them, and Blessed is the
one who kind of got me connected to
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a couple more people. I started
finding out who like Matt Demorris was in
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ETTW and those guys we were very
interested in wrestling the first time I kind
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of got a wind of like e
WA and the Hall Brothers and whatnot.
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But then I started seeing this thing
called Backyard Wrestling Weekly, and for guys
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who don't know, that was hosted
by one of my friends, rad Hazard
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Daniel Baldwin, and I'm just like, Oh, this guy out in Las
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Vegas is just covering backyard Wrestling like
it's a news channel like the old n
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W, A style like this is
pretty fucking cool. And he's the one
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who said Hey, there's this thing
called the g b y w N.
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Here's the link, because that was
back in the forum days, and he's
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the one who opened my eyes pretty
much to it all. And that's how
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we met, you guys at b
x W and Mike Williams. Because I
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know he's getting brought up, so
but let's get Yeah, let's get there's
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the story. You said. You
said a lot there. You brought up
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some names. You mentioned Blessed,
and I forgot that, you know,
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because you know, I met Blessed
and he started moving when he moved to
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downtown, but that was before like
Buss was doing all those music videos and
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like I kind of until you just
brought it up, like I kind of
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forgot that, like he was kind
of like the original guy that was like
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posting like those music videos, but
like nobody ever but nobody had ever met
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him, and it was like it
was like a big mystery. And then
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I remember like the first I remember
the first show he showed up for,
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people were like, wait, are
you right? You're Blufsed, Like it
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was kind of like you're real,
Holy fu. Yeah, I remember that,
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like people were like confused. I
remember because like I mean, I
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really wasn't paying attention to that kind
of stuff. So I was just kind
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of like, I thought it was
kind of funny, like it was like
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why are so many people saying it? Was like are you real? And
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then he explained it. He's like, oh, because I only just posted
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music like music videos before, and
like I would talk to these people and
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I'm like, oh, okay,
But I never understood that until he had
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to like pull up, like you
know the thing. So now getting the
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productions. Yeah, yeah, so
it was, you know, getting back
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to the good stuff. But all
right, so you mentioned g fatal when
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right now, uh were those guys
like did they was? He like,
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like, I'm assuming he was like
not that far from you at that time,
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like living he said that he was
there the next week. Yeah at
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all. So we basically lived like
a town over. So like, have
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you have you really been to like
the Tom's River Seaside area? Maybe once?
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Maybe once? All right, So
like he lives near Seaside. I
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live like my where I was living
at the time, in Beach, It's
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like fifteen minutes away from Seaside.
My buddy lives in Lenoka Harbor. Okay,
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I been Yeah, but I've never
been known to visit. I'm I'm
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a terrible friend. Yes, I
actually I've known this two thousand and nine.
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I've known this scotch since two thousand
and nine ten, and I've never
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went out to the Oko Harbory.
He's been inviting me for fifteen years now,
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and I've never been out to the
Noka Harboro. I saw a three
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hour car ride and I went,
No, not for a day, maybe
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for a weekend, maybe for a
couple of minutes. I could shoot on
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you a little bit, brother,
when it comes to those car ride things
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there, because again we can bring
up another name that I mentioned, rad
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Hazard with that. So this is
where I'm gonna shoot on you a little
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bit. Is the first time rad
Aver came to the You're going too far,
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You're going over the place. Hey, I'm just saying this. You
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you went three well, hey,
this is there's not a little you brother,
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Yeah you want to you? Okay, we can we can go too.
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Hey yeah, I was in that
car everybody else cool. Now I'm
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kidding man, I'm working with you. Huh Yeah, No, I'm I'm
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working with you. You've done so
so good bye me like you've done so
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well by me over the years.
Man, I've always been so appreciated that
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tell you take care of the people
out and I like, you know,
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I mean, hell yeah, yeah
of course. But so you mentioned Fatal
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uh a minute ago. By the
way, we're gonna be there's gonna be
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somebody called the Goof here in a
little bit, uh, the name you
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mentioned before. Uh. And if
you're starting, uh, you know there's
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one that's a definite, a definite
goof And I'm gonna tell you the story
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about Yeah, okay, so let's
get into g Fatal. I thought you
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and him had amazing chemistry. You
when I first saw you guys, like
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it was you know later than when
you guys were like I didn't see it
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like as it happened. But like
when I first saw you and UH and
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Glenn wrestling, what holy shit,
like these guys, you know, besides
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Danny, you know, it was
you and UH and Glenn having you know,
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some fucking good matches. And then
you guys took that on the road
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a bunch of places, and then
you had like that fucking Ironman match,
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like the thirty minute match at three
b w oh yeah that was way that
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was way later. But yeah,
so like you're looking at what Glenn being
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two thousand and you you wrestled him
what first time? Like would that be
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two thousand and nine, two thousand
and eight, two thousand and eight,
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two thousand and nine, somewhere around
there. It was about his senior in
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high school, so yeah, somewhere
around there. Now, he was one
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of those guys like you know,
and we're kind of going a little fast
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forward, but like he was always
a guy. Like the first time I
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ever saw him and I was like, holy shit, like I need to
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get him here. The first time
I ever saw him in Allentown when he
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came to Wrussell Russell Johnny boy,
holy shit, this guy needs to be
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here every week or you know,
every show. I thought he was incredibly
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talented and he had he had it. And I'll say this, I felt
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like, you know, I know
he did some indies for a little bit,
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but I felt like I felt like, looking back at it now,
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like the indie the indie backyard whatever
scene you want to call it, where
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the backyard guys are able to get
on the indies quicker, right, he
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was like besides him and like Andy
because like Andy got on like the indies
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an RBO, but like he was
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took the backyard stuff into the into
the indie scene. Yeah, and I
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think it was a little like thinking
back at it now, I feel like
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it was a little too soon,
like if it would be like twenty fourteen,
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fifteen one, but like now,
like you know the way that the
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backyard, like the indie guys now
they're all young, so they're all like,
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you know, there in their twenties, and it's like that's where the
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backyard ages that the guys were at
shows, you know back then. Oh
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I felt like I still feel like
this way. I felt like if Glenn
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was a little too early to the
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I stuck with the yard. So
Glenn and I our first pro match was
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against each other. Yeah, it
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I remember you show me? I
remember you show me that and those That
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was the only indie company I wrestled
for. It was someone I went to
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school with. The guy's girlfriends.
She sat next to me in angels class
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whatever. We became friends to that
because he wrestled, he was trained and
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everything like that. His name was
Mike Maddox and he had a money mark,
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the guy that we worked for at
a lambread company, and we did
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I don't know, five six shows. Oh that was like a multi show.
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That was like a multi show.
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like two or three shows, like
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then finally he comes up to us. Now he knows what me and Glenn
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are about. He came from that
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proper training and everything. We hadn't
hit that point yet. And he's like,
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do you guys want to wrestle on
my show? Yeah, of course
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we want to wrestle on your show. But are you okay with those wrestling
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on your show? He's like,
I want you guys to do your thing.
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So that's exactly what we did.
We did her Krana's Poison ronas,
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every flippy dip you can think of, and no psychology whatsoever to this match.
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We got to the back and got
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in and for those who don't know, uh and like Lindsa Dorado is here
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in portal, like got those guys
ripping us atow one hold on. So
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this guy that was booking these Garden
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guys at the time where they were
just booking, Like what was he those
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guys are like Chaka So this is
going backward two thousand and this is like
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two thousand and this is mine Like
Chakara's like at their fucking at their peak.
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Yep, yep. So that like
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about the time that Amasa Safiti and
them were like just coming not like out
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of training, but like they were
just still early in their indie run if
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I'm not mistaken, But so like
he was getting some of those younger guys
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from there. He got Colin Delaney
on a show. Jimmy Snooko was on
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a show. You know, he
was like the name on the one show.
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So like he got legit indie guys
and he asked, that's the wrestle.
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Now. There were some really fucking
big stinkers on the show too.
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And when we see like those guys
giving us avice and they're throwing the worst
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punches in the fucking world. I
mean, kill a k threw better punches
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than the guys. I swear to
fucking God. You don't take those guys
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advice. But when you got a
Massus and a Fidian and those guys.
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You kinda like, all right,
maybe maybe I came into this a bit
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too early, so I stepped away. Actually, Chris Hero and Claudio are
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the ones who really pulled me to
the side. That was the last Garden
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State Pro show. I wrestled Pete
that show, and at that point we
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kind of had a little training.
I was going up to Nunzio School BWO
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with Ray Ray Mars and Darius Carter
and those guys, but still wasn't ready,
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and they they kind of pulled us
aside and said, hey, you
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know, they they were the ones
who really explained it, like you guys
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got to know your placement on the
card, like you do this here,
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you do this here, blah blah
blahlah blah, and like I took that
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to heart, and I was like, you know what, Like I'm going
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to take a step back from indie
stuff. I'm going to focus on the
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back of your stuff. I want
to fuck around with my friends, no
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politics, no bullshit, Let's just
have fun and do some stuff. Now,
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obviously there is some bullshit that we
might get into, but compared to
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the indie stuff, I was just
like man, I do want have fun,
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but like looking back at it,
like and I and I said this
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for years and years and years,
but like the time you're the time frame
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you're talking about, Jeff is around
the time where indie wrestling had no place
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for backyard wrestling, yes, where
nowadays you know, And I've told this
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story numerous times on the podcast,
where people are asking, you know,
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hey, any uh you know you
see on x nowadays or formerly Twitter,
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Oh, anybody suggests any backyard wrestling
stuff, And like Billy Starks is posting
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it, and I'm like, she's
posting like album saying things, and I'm
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like, hey, you need to
look at Matt Demorris. And then she's
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like really and I'm like, yep, here's this, this, this and
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this, and then I've heard stories
her personally say that she literally showed people
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backyard wrestling footage in independent wrestling locker
rooms. So that's a true statement.
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Like people that I know have said, yes, they've seen backer, they've
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seen b XW stuff in indie wrestling
locker rooms, and that's insane that that's
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dude, if that's if that's something
that I'm a part of, and that's
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something that you know, for you
know years, all the people around me,
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I'll take that. I'll take that
little, you know moment that other
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people are seeing the BXW stuff,
because again, these are people that are
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in their twenties watching people that were
in their twenties do what we all love,
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you know, I mean, we're
all we're here on this podcast because
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we love wrestling, whether and pro
it's but it's still like you get your
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flabershed fifteen years later, it's still
like still worth it. I mean literally,
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they showed like one of the clips
that I sent them was and I
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know Rix listening was the Demorse Zane
match in Pittsburgh, and I thought that
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was one of my one of my
favorite matches that happened. I loved everything
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about it, you know, it
was it was great and the finish you
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know, with the with the injury, but then they played back at in
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Allentown they you know, and it
was it was just good. It was
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good stuff. That was. I
know, Matt, you're going to Pittsburgh,
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but that the original s w C
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know, every everything that was on
there. Oh yeah, it was great,
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like you know, but we'll get
into that, you know, into
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that stuff as it comes in.
But you mentioned another guy earlier. Okay,
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kind of got I got kind of
clown for this one. And I'll
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say this, I never said this. Uh, I never said this publicly.
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But you mentioned Strife earlier, and
uh he was the guy that I
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saw him like looking up stuff and
I'm like, oh ship, super athletic,
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super like. I'm like, oh
man, like you know, I
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love athletic, you know, athleticism, And I was really hype on him,
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but I hadn't met him yet.
Wait. Sorry, I asked you
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guys, I lost you for a
second. Well, can you go back
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like ten seconds? Okay, So
I was talking about Strife, I said,
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I was talking about Stripe. Could
you hear me? Could you hear
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me at all? Yep, yep. Okay. So I didn't cut out,
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Okay, I was making sure I
didn't cut off. But so I
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had to a little far away from
my WiFi. That's all. Okay,
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So I had I had, you
know, I was looking up Strife stuff
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because they were talks about bringing him
in and I was like, oh man,
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like I watched him. I'm like, he's super talented, super athletic.
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I'm like, oh man, right, and I was like, I
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had not met him yet, and
I'm like to Urban, I'm like,
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oh, man, this is going
to be a guy who really that's what
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really comes in and does some good
things. I didn't meet him. How
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didn't you meet him? So me
and Urban, uh, he had met
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him, I think before me,
and he's like, hey, I met
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that strike. Somebody had met him. I think it was Urban or somebody
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Damage and they were like, man, you were wrong about Strife and I
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went, well, what do you
mean, Like, oh, he's kind
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of a goof And I'm like I'm
like I'm like really, I'm like,
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but he looks like super talented.
So then he comes to b XW and
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it was like a gotcha moment,
like he had like an okay match,
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but it was nothing like what I
had seen. And I remember getting pulled
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aside and when this is the guy
you hyped about and it was kind of
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like I got like it was like
a gotcha moment, Like Urban literally told
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me he's like, this is the
guy you were excited for, and I'm
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like I kind of just looked at
him and I'm like yeah, because he
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didn't have like a great match.
This is his first remember who it was,
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but I felt like that was like
I felt like that was like a
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very disappointing moment because I was like
very high on him. I'm like,
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oh, man, he's gonna come
in, he's gonna do some good things.
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And it was like I was wrong. You know what do you I
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mean? He was he was a
counted athleticism book It just I don't know,
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man, just something wasn't I mean, So I'll counter it with another
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match though. At the same time, do you remember the match that he
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had. It was at E w
A. I think it was an Elite
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Ornament against Geo. Yeah, that's
the match I saw. That's the match
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I saw that. That was the
match that That's the exact match that I
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saw. That was ya something like
that. Yeah, that's right. So
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I booked Strife off of the I
booked the Strife off of that, and
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I was working and I was trying
to get Geo for like a minute,
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so I wanted to book both of
them. I saw the match and I
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was like, I wanted to that
was the match, right, and I
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wanted to book Geo later, but
I guess Geo couldn't make it. So
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Geo ended up coming for Peek Camp
and another one that didn't really. I
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booked him against Chris Frank and I
think day two you wrestled Cobran and it
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wasn't It was a little too long, it wasn't that good. And I
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was just like, and then you
see Geo and it's like a different fucking
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Geo. Like now you see Geo
wrestling on indies and like he Wasana and
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I'm like, that wasn't the Geo. You know, I get he you
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know it took years and I get
it, but it was just yeah,
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well, I think I think the
point that I'm trying to make is like,
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and especially okay, you want to
take even Geo for example, there's
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a lot of guys we can put
in this category. When they wanted to
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turn it on, they'll turn it
on. When they were just kind of
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about it, they were about the
match, they were just there fucking around
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whatever. I kind of put Lee
in that category because I've had an amazing
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fucking match with him. We were
just doing it. It was actually just
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supposed to be a practice match because
we were supposed to do What was that
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I think for U W A H. When they were first going back when
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they were transitioning from e w A
to u w A back to the indie
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stuff again. I want to say
it was a tag match. It was
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supposed to be Me and Ness against
Lee and Cobran, and so we're like,
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okay, Lee, we haven't wrestled
in a ring against each other for
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a super long time. We got
the OCW S ring at Drix's house.
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Let's meet up one day, let's
fuck around practice. We had a practice
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match and end up being one of
the best matches I ever had with him.
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I think when he just wanted to
turn it on, he turned it
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on, and when he just was
and about it, like I said,
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he was just kind of about it. There's so many guys who can probably
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put in that category. Do you
feel do you feel like that was a
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problem in wrestling, in wrestling or
with him? Sorry cut out for a
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second. No, No, I'm
just I'm thinking back there, like I'm
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thinking the back of wrestling, Like
you go to these shows in the Roby's
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guy Who's draft travel do you did
did you feel like you saw a lot
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of that? Oh? Yeah?
Because okay, like when and this is
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why I said, like there's still
pettiness, there's still bs, there's still
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whatever in the yard. It was
different than the indies. And most of
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the time, once those guys got
in the and punch the shit at each
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other, they got it out of
their systems. Like then you all were
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good after. But when you travel
all this way, and I know this
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happened a lot with some Jersey guys. They would travel all the way out
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to certain companies in Pennsylvania only get
booked against each other, the same guys
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that we wrestle at our own.
Absolutely, yeah, they just felt like,
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I'm just gonna phone it in.
I'm not gonna I traveled all this
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way, what the fuck? Like, I want to at least wrestle someone
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that I'm never gonna get to really
wrestle. And that's where I said,
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I always appreciated you, Eric,
because you always found those people. I
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think there might have been only a
small handful of times that I kind of
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had to wrestle my own But you
knew, right, I was like,
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cool, dude, I'm here,
I'm show up, Like, I'll show
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everyone else what we could do.
So the next super show they'd be like,
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Okay, I want to wrestle Ryan
rackground stee like and I've heard that
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complaint before. And I'll counter with
this, well, like you the beginning
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when I started booking, so these
guys like I don't care anymore, Like
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it really doesn't matter. Some of
the Jersey guys stump. They're really good,
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you know. And and yeah,
and they were not worthy uh and
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and and me and Matt have talked
about this, me and with me and
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Hybrid talked anybody that we've talked to. Some of the Jersey guys stump and
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it really put a bad rep for
the rest of the Jersey guys, the
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g fatals you you know, uh, Pete, those are the guys.
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00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.079
Those are my guys. You want
to you know, Once I saw I
400
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.519
think that the first the twenty ten
match with the four way Goodbye, I
401
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.680
was like, that's a guy who's
gonna he's gonna give me. He's gonna
402
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.519
give it to me. He's gonna
give me. Uh you know what what
403
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.480
what I'm looking for? And you
know, pe, same thing. It
404
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.119
was guys that I could you know, use if you were here every month,
405
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:48.839
like I know you've missed a couple
of shows, but it was like,
406
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.400
Hey, you're gonna have banger and
banger and then you add like that
407
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.880
over booking four Way that was that
was pretty good, you know with the
408
00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:00.240
Marquee and Deppin and Yep and Doug
and and that was, you know,
409
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.400
great match. So I don't like
some of those guys that you know that
410
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:10.440
we were brought in and uh,
you know, I didn't really want to
411
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.519
go to him right away some kind
of like pausing here a second, but
412
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.359
like like, you know, the
the drivers of the show, and I'm
413
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.720
gonna I'm gonna preface this by saying
some people I didn't have, like I
414
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.880
didn't have better interactions with them.
I just I looked at it off a
415
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.920
wrestling perspective, like what what makes
the show better? You're gonna have some
416
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.119
fillers. And some of those guys
that were booked were booked basically because they
417
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.680
were the drivers. Mike Williams I
was always the driver. Man, What
418
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.640
the fuck was a driver? Mike
Williams was driving you for a fucking minute.
419
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.599
No, I was like two shows. That was like the first first
420
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.200
two times that came to you,
and then after that I started trying.
421
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.839
You never got a fucking bad book, BXW, get the fuck out.
422
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.559
Well, I think I think you
guys brought up a good point. I
423
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.160
think it was the biggest uh and
I can speak of it from being a
424
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:15.319
Link guy and a g B y
w N guy. I think the biggest
425
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.200
difference between the two eras, if
you want to call them that, Like,
426
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.519
I know, when Jay and I
first started going to link shows,
427
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:30.440
or when bikes w Crew started going
to Link shows, that's the only bookings
428
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.599
we got were against each other,
and it was just like they're they're booking
429
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.759
us together because we we know each
other, and it's yes, it's your
430
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.960
best way to get your ship out
where I do feel like some of the
431
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.920
g B y w N guys,
if you book them against each other,
432
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.920
they kind of thought it was like
a little bit of a slap in the
433
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:59.400
face. Yeah, where it's just
like no, like we're booking you against
434
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.920
each other. That way, you
guys can go have a good match and
435
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.279
then just like Jess said, like
at the end of that match, you
436
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:07.720
want someone to go like, oh, I want to wrestle that guy next
437
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.680
show, and then you get the
better bookings the more you show up,
438
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.039
you want to know what. I
think the biggest difference between those two eras
439
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.400
are YouTube and the reason why I
say that is because the link days.
440
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.480
Right, like you guys got the
beginning of YouTube, your tail end of
441
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.759
the link was the beginning of YouTube. Yep. We then were able to
442
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.240
be like, Okay, let's see
what those guys are doing. We're going
443
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.759
to figure this YouTube thing out.
And we made up like the music videos
444
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.759
and stuff we didn't want to watch, you know, cut out the bullshit.
445
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.799
People just want to see the high
spots. That's it. But hold
446
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.279
on, but and I'm sorry to
cut you off there, but that again,
447
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.640
that's that's the problem right there,
is that I would see these music
448
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.599
videos and went, oh shit,
these are great, you know, great
449
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.119
music videos, and then all of
a sudden you'd see them in person.
450
00:30:53.240 --> 00:31:00.759
It'll be a five minute music video, but ten minutes of blah. Right.
451
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.759
Well, and that's the thing,
right, So I'll get to that
452
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.519
in a moment, because there's a
couple, a couple of backyard feds like
453
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.599
a film a certain way. I
had no problem with it at all.
454
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.400
I loved it. But they filmed
a certain way for that. But the
455
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.599
biggest difference though is so yeah,
so like with the music videos, right,
456
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.160
so when you're traveling, let's say
I'm just gonna use myself an example
457
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.640
just to make it easier for argument's
sake. But like, let's say we're
458
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.720
traveling all the way up to the
guys up to Connecticut, just to find
459
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.160
out I'm wrestling kill a Kay,
which happens, and then it's just like,
460
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.680
oh, I don't get a clip
package with a new guy that I've
461
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.640
never wrestled against. I got another
match with kill Okay. I said,
462
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:44.279
no, I'm gonna fucking Luke can
kick myself, have him move out of
463
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.079
the way. And I crashed and
folded in half on that line, like
464
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.880
I didn't care who I wrestled,
Like I just gave it my all because
465
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:53.160
I wanted to have fun. I
wanted to showcase, you know, kill
466
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.839
a Kay might be a little hard
to wrestle with, but I wanted to
467
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.759
him, Hey, this kid can
have a good fucking match. You just
468
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:04.720
have to learn how to work him. Right. That That was more towards
469
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.279
the end of my backyard career.
We'll we'll obviously fast forward, but for
470
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.000
this escape of mind, that's what
I do now with wrestling. I look
471
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.319
at it as like I'm at that
point, how do I get you over
472
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:16.880
and me over at the same time, like, I'm just going to make
473
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.839
you look like a million bucks.
That's my job. I don't care about
474
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.759
titles. I don't care about any
of that other bullshit anymore. Like I
475
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.039
just like having fun matches and making
the other guy look good. Now,
476
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.920
Wen, Yeah, we're going to
digress a lot. I feel like we're
477
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.160
going to digress a lot. But
yeah, like again, I have a
478
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.519
list of stuff I want to get
into, so I want to check off
479
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.599
stuff as we're Yeah, but you
mentioned earlier earlier, uh, same vengeance
480
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.839
A guy who very unappreciated, very
unappreciated. I felt like he was one
481
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.960
of those guys up there with the
moors as like very solid, kind of
482
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.039
you know, always gave a good
you know, a good match and you
483
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.240
know, again people should go out
of their way and kind of look at
484
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.119
the old stuff of Pete. But
Pete would really, you know, be
485
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.960
again away before his time. I
felt like he just was. Now it
486
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:10.000
would be fucking on every indie show, you know, a GCW, fucking
487
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.119
all these companies, like you know, if if he took that fucking shit
488
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.839
serious, WOA, man, the
sky would be the work. No,
489
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.519
no, no, it's not that
he didn't take it serious. I mean,
490
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:22.640
I think we're you know what I
mean, like, I mean,
491
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.640
yeah, no, know what I
mean, like yeah, I mean sang
492
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.599
right like like he had the whole
brain surgery. That's what really derailed everything.
493
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.160
Because I know what I'm saying.
No, no, no, I'm
494
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.920
saying, I don't know. I
understand about the break, I understand,
495
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.240
but I'm saying at that time in
twenty ten, he was still wrestling,
496
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.359
you know, I mean he was
still having like good matches and like that
497
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.200
would have derailed him. I understand
that, I know, but I'm talking
498
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.079
about like the twenty ten like he
was like wrestling at the x W and
499
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.279
like having good matches and banging it
out, and I like, I you
500
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.119
know, he came to my house, you know, he came to my
501
00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:00.200
parents' house and hung out. Uh
my birthday, think they came up from
502
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:01.279
I think they came up for my
birthday. Him and Mike Williams came up
503
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.839
for my birthday. And I freaking
told him that I think there was a
504
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.960
twenty eleven twenty twelve, and I'm
like, hey, you know, if
505
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.599
you fucking take it seriously, you're
gonna be fucking you'd be fucking good.
506
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.159
Yeah, but I'm just having fun
and it was kind of like, you
507
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:15.760
know, it was one of those
things that I was like, Man,
508
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.039
I wish that guy would just like
fucking get into like get to it Indian
509
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.760
And I understand that was twenty twelve. It was twelve years ago and so
510
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:29.199
much happened. But dude again,
because Pete had a very similar experience as
511
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.960
I. Pete's first in D match
was also against sucked. That was again
512
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.440
that was the Crisiro and Claudio show, right, yeah, so like we
513
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:38.960
get into that, we do that
match. You know again, I told
514
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.360
you they ripped us apart blah blah
blah blah. Not here on Claudio,
515
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:47.280
but they gave us sound advice.
Then Pete and Glenn somehow get on God.
516
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.239
I don't remember j D. Smooth
show. I think he called it
517
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.719
Funkifides Wrestling. I don't know.
It was NWS and New Jersey after NWS
518
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.280
up and disappeared, So like this
guy's running shows and it it was like
519
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:07.679
JD Smooth and I think Glenn against
Pete and Kamakazi and JD Smooth just took
520
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.400
liberties, didn't want to like had
no time anything, I'm like, why
521
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.719
the fuck did you book this match
with them? Like he was just like
522
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:16.760
I get He's like, oh I
just type like I call it out there,
523
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.760
brother, But like you gotta you
gotta talk over some stuff, especially
524
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.880
if you never worked with a person
before, right, and so Pete had
525
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:29.239
those very similar experiences and that's why
again very early time, but like we
526
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.119
just at that point like nah,
we're gonna just have fun with our friends.
527
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.079
We like the creativity back here more. We don't get we don't get
528
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:42.360
yelled at for our creativity sucked in
the late two thousands, in early twenty
529
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.880
tens. That's why Jay didn't want
to do it. It's why fucking other
530
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.079
than a little splash and fucking cz
w Andy and Orbo didn't really fucking put
531
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.719
themselves out there the way they could
have, like that area, the that
532
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:01.880
time period in the indies. Uh, I wasn't even wrestling that much before
533
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.559
the Indies, but like I remember
just doing eight shows of Jay, I
534
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.360
was like, dude, this isn't
fun anymore. Like this it's a it's
535
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.039
a drag. And then you go
back to the yard where and it was
536
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.480
just like it. It was a
whole brand new breath of fresh air.
537
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.320
Yep. Well, when I heard
like the story of why Andy like Anddian
538
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.800
Arbo had a fucking banger with R
Fox, like that's that fucking was a
539
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.000
really fun match. But then when
I you know, because I started you
540
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.559
know, developing you know, friendships
with people that worked inside the company,
541
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:37.920
and I asked, you know,
asked around. I'm like, hey,
542
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.719
why isn't Indian Arbo on every on
every shelve because they're you know, they
543
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.920
would be there, like I and
I talked to Indian Arbo and they freak
544
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.039
of said they would you know,
they would be there if they were booked.
545
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.440
And the reason that I was told
was, oh, they're gear.
546
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.800
When I heard that, I went, okay, like like it's called they
547
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:01.119
can get gear, like you you
can't, like sometimes talent just you can't
548
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.760
teach it. It's just like it
just happens. Guys are just born with
549
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.519
it, but you can't, like
you can't teach that kind of stuff.
550
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:13.639
But just again, it happened.
I saw people on those shows, the
551
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.719
same shows I was getting ripped the
park, guys are wrestling and literally fucking
552
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:22.280
Jim Shortz Like yeah, like I
understand there there should be like an aesthetic
553
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.519
like there there should be and I
do get that, but like it was
554
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.039
everywhere those guys were getting booked and
like you said, you can't teach that
555
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.360
type of fucking talent, right,
that's ridiculous. Yeah, but yeah,
556
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.800
it was just why it was wild. But again, Pete Man, it's
557
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.400
just yeah, yeah, him and
Demorse. I loved when like they had
558
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.719
to match a b x W that
was on the base and I was like,
559
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.960
I was like, fuck was I
think it was like goodbye. I
560
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.480
think it was goodbye one the goodbye
is to think, but it was like
561
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.880
it was. I don't know why
it was booked so early. I think
562
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.360
maybe somebody had to leave her,
maybe Demorse had to leave early. But
563
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.280
I remember putting it on like fifth
and I think there was the same yea,
564
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.159
it was the show that you were. You were in that match with
565
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.519
Andrew Wright and yeah, and VINNIEJ. Yeah, PJ Matthews. Yeah,
566
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:19.480
I was thinking about the other the
fourth person. So let's get to the
567
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.159
part of the show where the show
goes downhill. Not so much. We'll
568
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.559
mention we mentioned a little killer Kay
earlier in the show, but Mike Williams
569
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:35.039
Herman Cox. He's been brought up
on the show the uh the the ship
570
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.760
that he's pulled over the years,
Right, how did you meet that guy?
571
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:52.719
How did I meet Herman Cox?
So I believe it was through Lee
572
00:38:52.880 --> 00:39:00.559
and them. Again, I think
this was like my Space days and oh
573
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.400
god, I'm trying. I'm honestly
really trying to think I know this show,
574
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.920
but I'm trying to think how it
all came together. I want to
575
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:12.079
say, do you remember Warren Peace? Yes, first name Waren. Oh
576
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.559
boy, that's a fucking name that
I was like, I was trying to
577
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.400
figure out how him there. I
remember him coming. Oh sorry, continue,
578
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.559
he came up to me. He
came to one BXW show, and
579
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.119
I remember Urban came up to me
and he was like, Hey, this
580
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:31.800
guy's like, you know, talking
to me for like twenty twenty five minutes,
581
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.480
says he would love to come to
a show. And I'm like,
582
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.079
come, you know, come to
wrestle on the show. And I'm like,
583
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.559
I've never seen this dude wrestling.
And then Urban's like getting his information
584
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.920
and we're talking and then like I'm
like, I'm like, oh, like
585
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.800
I asked somebody about him. I
think I asked one of the church I
586
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.880
think I was like Joe Hall or
something. I'm like, all right,
587
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.199
do you know like this like because
like I would be a Joe, like
588
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.800
you know, we would talk about
like you know, and he's one of
589
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.559
the guys I would love to get
on here because it's like I know he's
590
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.800
so added wrestling now, because but
it would be good to like to get
591
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.119
him on and like talk about because
he was one of my guys that I
592
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.880
would because he like me and him
kind of like the same wrestling with like
593
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.360
the indies, like the Jersey all
pro stuff and you me and him,
594
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.880
we stayed over your house. Yeah, bring that upring, bring up later.
595
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.920
I have that in my U my
notes. But now he was like
596
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.039
a guy that I would go to
him for like hey, what do you
597
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.519
think about this person? Or hey, I'm going to run this, what
598
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.559
do you think about this? Or
like you know, I'm going to suggest
599
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.480
this. And he was like like
I had told him, like I called
600
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.599
him like, hey, like you
know, Warren Peace wants to like come
601
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.679
on a show. And I just
heard the laughing out of him, and
602
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.039
he's like, don't book that freaking
guy, man, that freaking guy stinks
603
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.679
and I'm like okay, And I
told Urban, I'm like, hey,
604
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.159
Joe Hall, he freaking Joe told
me where he stinks. He's like oh.
605
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.039
And then and then the funny thing
this is that he never came to
606
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.559
another show. It was like he
came for that one show. There was
607
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.920
a lot of guys from that O
c W. That's like crew that will
608
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.800
come one time and you never see
him again. Like I came for like
609
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.320
a minute. Vinnie came to like
a couple of shows, like Ben Grayson
610
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.880
came to a couple of shows,
and then he just stopped showing up.
611
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.079
Well, the thing is a lot
of those guys just like didn't want to
612
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.800
do the car rides. That's really
I think, you know, I don't
613
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.800
want to always spend this guest money, told money, hotel money, blah
614
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:22.760
blah blah blah blah. And I
was like, I get it, but
615
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.599
you're missing out on the fucking good
times. Sorry, but let's get to
616
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.559
Mike Waiams. Get back to Mike
Williams. All right. So so yeah,
617
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.159
so through Warren Piece, I think
he had like this new area given
618
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.599
to him by some friends who wrestled. Ity was in like some backs placed
619
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:46.119
by Woods and somehow he's there.
Like, so Mike Williams is just at
620
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:55.639
the show with like Dan Turner ship, I think Mike Brody and Ben Murdoch.
621
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.480
I don't think Ray Ray Mars was
there yet, but like that's how
622
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:05.639
I started meeting some of those guys. Was at this random show and you
623
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:10.320
know backyard I met Randy Killer Death
Wish uh now wrestles as Tarzan Duran all
624
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.960
that same show, Like it just
randomly showed up. It was just like
625
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.360
kind of like I ended up being
like a quote unquote super show for guests
626
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.639
people in the area. He Mike
Williams was wrestling with like those other group
627
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.440
of guys. Uh and like Howell
New Jersey to call himselves like Howell Hardcore
628
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.400
somehow found us And yeah, that's
how it came to be. You've you've
629
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:37.280
traveled with Mike Williams over the years, We've we've kind of quite we kind
630
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.599
of clowned this guy over you know
for a while. A lot of this
631
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:44.800
ship. There's a couple of stories
that I have to say, But what
632
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:50.440
was like traveling with him? So
like like the X of these shows because
633
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:57.800
like uh like so like I hadn't
I had talked to him like they were
634
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.039
like, you know, like he
hadn't reached out before, like I mean
635
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.519
the bigx W and like he was
like, oh, you gotta watch this,
636
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.000
you gotta watch that, and like
I've never seen him wrestling. I'm
637
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.719
like, like I wasn't really impressed, Like he didn't really it was just
638
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.719
a big guy, and I'm just
like, okay, But he was like
639
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.280
super you know, super nice.
And I get that, like he was
640
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.000
trying to get bookings and stuff like
that and trying to get into good grace
641
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.519
if I get that. But like
I I watched him for the first time
642
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.400
and I went, this isn't the
guy. But like I developed a relationship
643
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.480
with, you know, a friendship
with him based off the fact that,
644
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.280
hey, you want the good.
I'll say like years later, sometimes you
645
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.960
want the good, you got to
deal with the bad. And he brought
646
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.760
a you know, a lot of
there was a lot of bad wrestlers.
647
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.760
Again, I had no problems with
like Chris Meeks. I thought he was
648
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.440
like a decent person, but like
his matches weren't desirable, you know,
649
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.719
yeah, yeah, and he was
a good dude. Like I'm not Mike
650
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:55.840
Mike was a good dude, Like, you know, every time I,
651
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:58.719
you know, I see him,
Hey, what's going on? Like how's
652
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.920
everything? You know? No problem
with him, you know, but as
653
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:07.039
the wrestler, not the best.
Another fucking JABRONI that Mike Williams brought for
654
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.480
a few shows with that fucking Bread
done, fucking weirdo burn that that guy
655
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:19.639
was the drizzling fucking ships oh Man
Mark, ohly crab Mark is an interesting
656
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.960
character. I haven't heard from him
and I don't even know his existence of
657
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.679
right now, Like he just wiped
off the face of the earth. Very
658
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.639
weird too again, guy when he
wants to, like when he wrestled with
659
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.679
us at ECB, w turned it
on to Notch eleven could have a great
660
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.280
match when he wanted to. For
some reason when he traveled, he just
661
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.760
never wanted to have a good match. Man. I should Matt, I
662
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:51.719
should have totally booked you against Bread. Then I'll never stiffed anybody stiff him.
663
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.679
But how how was it traveling with
Mike Williams? Kind Of like you
664
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.599
said, though, like the good
kind of came with the bad, right,
665
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.000
Like he was always nice to me, right, never really did me
666
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.639
wrong, although so I kind of
found the first time we were the only
667
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.840
time I went to n y E, he wasn't going to bring me because
668
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.920
there was not enough space in his
car, But there was enough space in
669
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:19.800
the car for the cooler of course
light that rubbed me the wrong way.
670
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.000
So I said, no, hold
on, hold on what you just said
671
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:29.000
the cooler, Oh the cooler,
cooler of course light. Yeah, that's
672
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.320
what I thought you said. Okay, okay, yeah, took the spot
673
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.920
over me. I'm like, you
put it in the fucking trunk, Mike,
674
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.880
Like, what the fuck did Yeah? Apparently apparently there wasn't enough room.
675
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.639
You were going to go with a
different story. I thought you were
676
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.400
going to. Well what I was. What I was also told is that
677
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:51.719
they didn't want me overshadowing everybody else
in the car and n y E and
678
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.039
making this big impression. I'm like, guys, I'm wrestling Jim Shore.
679
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.639
It's hungover, and I don't really
give a fuck right now, Like,
680
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:05.239
I'm just here to have fun.
Yeah, but other than that, Like,
681
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.199
and I found that shit out years
later, But during the time I
682
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:14.480
had no problems and pretty funny memories
trying to get to who we say at
683
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.559
TJ. Renegade's house, Big fucking
Renegade. Yeah, we stayed at his
684
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.360
house. Dude. We got fucking
lost. There was no cell service.
685
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.599
We're in the middle of like upstate
bumped fuck New York. There's shot gum
686
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.320
bullets and like the stop signs,
like we have no idea where we are.
687
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.880
Somehow managed to get to TJ's house
and like, and then I remember
688
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.559
those times, and there were good
fucking times, and like, those are
689
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.320
the times I remember with Mike,
and then he started getting into his demons
690
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.239
and then I'm like, all right, then I'm not really traveling with you
691
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:45.679
anymore. Yeah, No, I
kind of started to see like the stupidity
692
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.760
with him, but I kind of
would always be like, now we're not
693
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.480
fucking dealing with this bullshit. But
now I thought you were gonna I thought
694
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.920
you were gonna tell me that he
decided to bring like Ashley or Missy instead
695
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.920
of do oh well, no,
I mean Ashley did go to that trip.
696
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.679
Yeah, actually was on that trip. Yeah. The car ride was
697
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:09.400
Mike Pete, Mike Brody, Ashley
and me and Mike's little Honda Civic or
698
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.559
whatever. First, that was my
first time you versus Jay yeah, oh
699
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:25.400
yeah, that was rust. Yes, yes, I'm sorry Russell Fest trying
700
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.599
to get in a jay and I's
tent because she wanted some being cubed.
701
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:40.440
Yeah, yeah she did. Actually, oh, actually she's been brought up
702
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.760
on this podcast before. I'm sure
she has. I am going to her
703
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.880
wedding in a few hold on,
she's getting hold on, she's getting married.
704
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.360
Yes, yeah, it Get the
funk out of here. Somebody is
705
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.719
oh man, I like speaking of
the fucking I don't like the rest of
706
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.880
the peace. Mike Davis, I
love you, but I remember when she
707
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.760
was dating him for a minute,
and I remember going up to him and
708
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.079
going, what are you doing?
And he goes, what do you mean.
709
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.159
I'm like, I didn't say nothing
else, but it was just like
710
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.199
he was like a fucking yeah,
I'm sorry, Mike. I'm looking at
711
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.800
the sky right now. I'm sorry, Mike, But uh no, he
712
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.119
was like a fucking puppy with the
fucking girl, Like it was ridiculous.
713
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:31.760
And then like then all of a
sudden they broke up, and I'm like,
714
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.639
oh, I'm like, no,
fucking puppy. The first thing I
715
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.920
see to him when they broke up, I said, oh, no,
716
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.519
puppy anymore, and he got what
he goes what and I went, I
717
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.719
said, don't worry about it.
That's what I meant, because like sometimes
718
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.920
following her around. I remember like
like he started going, he started hanging
719
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.960
out with her and going to shows
like in Jersey and were I saw,
720
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.159
like Mike Davis is going up there
to hang out with Ashley. There's no
721
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.239
fucking and then all of a sudden
they broke up. It's like, but
722
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:05.679
rest David, dude. I mean, like, like I said, you
723
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.639
know, she her and I we
had we had her things years ago.
724
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:12.159
We took time away from each other
and we've been cool ever since. We
725
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.599
you know, try to help them
run their wrestling promotion. Thing that didn't
726
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.360
say. I got like a probably
about like a year ago. I got
727
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.519
like a friend request. Maybe about
eight months ago. I got like a
728
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.199
friend request from her, and I
was just like what the Like this is
729
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.159
random, and then like I accepted
it because you know whatever, and then
730
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.480
like I fucking got these Like all
I kept getting was these events fucking invites.
731
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.920
So I'm like, ah, fucking
I'm like I don't want to see
732
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.360
indie wrestling this that, and I'm
never going to go to any of these
733
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.280
shows, and I just fucking quietly
when I when I got rid of a
734
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.440
bunch of PEOPLEY got rid of her. You didn't miss anything. I know
735
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.239
I didn't because I like, I
like looked it up for like a minute,
736
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:54.840
and like again, I would have
like friends that I would be like
737
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.760
that I knew we're in wrestling,
that are in wrestling, that I would
738
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.320
be like, hey, what do
you think about this? They go,
739
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.039
who's that? I'm like, okay, never mind what yeah, no,
740
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.400
the fucking and then like uh she
was like Missy was cool. Like I
741
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.119
hadn't had a problem with Missy.
Like they brought like you know that car
742
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.519
ride was like Missy, how how
did they start? Like they just started
743
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.639
coming around with like around for a
while and then all of a sudden they
744
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.639
just like stopped coming around. Yeah, well like again, so you know,
745
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.920
Ashley would be talking to one of
the guys whoever was you know for
746
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.159
a while when I first met them, I was actually talking to Missy.
747
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.920
First. We didn't really do much
that like, it didn't really progress far.
748
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.800
She started hooking up with Pete and
everything. So that's probably why they
749
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.400
were always up and around because like
I don't know if it because to her
750
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.480
and Pete then like then something shit
happened with her and Doug or something like
751
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:57.280
I don't know, like I said, I but like, yeah, I
752
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.119
mean that's why they were coming around. They see a bunch of dudes with
753
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:01.360
their shirts off, and they're like, Okay, I want to hook up
754
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:07.719
with them. I can't knock their
hustle. Yep, got to work a
755
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:19.119
work help with gas and tolls.
So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna call
756
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.880
them for you know, for the
show purposes. We're gonna call them rats.
757
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:28.480
Oh, let's talk about the man. I'm going way over, like
758
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.559
I'm not going in order. Let's
talk about Jeff. Let's talk about the
759
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:43.360
invisible Ring. Let's talk about the
invisible Ring. Invisible Ring. You don't
760
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.840
remember the invisible ring, the ring
that never was, that was there,
761
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:53.440
but it was a Liz for it. Hold on, it was. It
762
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:59.360
was a Liz Foresight's basement basement.
Oh my god, dude, Remember how
763
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:00.920
I said, like, you're gonna
start saying stuff and that's just gonna jostle
764
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:05.800
my memory of things that I totally
forgot, because like, remember my memory
765
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.480
when it comes to background stuff I
my problem, and I've said this you
766
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:14.320
know years. I have to like
literally do like research, but I can
767
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.360
fucking tell you like this that like
all these fucking names, but like so
768
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.800
like I first met Mike, Me
and Dave, Mike Davis, we went
769
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:29.360
to a j W A show at
the Morris's house and a true story,
770
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.400
I never, I never, I'm
not gonna lie about this, but Mike
771
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:35.000
Williams was there and Brett Dunn was
there, and I guess the plan.
772
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.440
The plan was to go to the
show and then everybody was going to go
773
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:45.559
to b WO to this show.
So right before the show or right before
774
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.880
we got there, I mean it
was me and Davis going to from from
775
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.519
Easton to uh Domorris's house. I
was like, oh, like, who
776
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.960
are gonna wrestle. He's like,
oh, I'm gonna wrestle Ryan Rage and
777
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.559
Joe Hall. And I'm like,
okay, cool. And then he's like,
778
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:01.920
yeah, we're gonna have like a
fifteen minute match, but I think
779
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.920
we're gonna be like main event and
I'm like okay, cool. Like so
780
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:12.280
we're there and then like Mike Williams
is like on a trample man and it
781
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.840
was Chris Phoenix was there too,
But I don't think you wrestled. I
782
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.079
think everybody was just there, right, I don't even I don't think you
783
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.519
were there. I don't think you
went to the That Jersey show, the
784
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.760
b W Show, but it was
Danny Danger showed up as a surprise at
785
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.320
the b WILL show. I remember
that for a fact, but broke up
786
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:35.679
with his girlfriend who no, no, no, that didn't know nothing.
787
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:43.199
The coroner Chris had won like the
title, like I remember Sebastian Cruz won
788
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.760
the title, and then I remember
Danny Danger came out and say yeah,
789
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.599
yeah, so he's matched with the
chair and then he made his return and
790
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:53.119
then set up for for Danny and
uh Corona whatever, Corona Chrus, Sebastian
791
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.760
Cruise whatever. But like, so
begets to this DBA show. We're just
792
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:02.039
hanging out at the Morrison's house and
Mike Williams is like hanging out like Brett
793
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.400
Dunn and like Chris Phoenix are on
like this trampoline, just fucking around and
794
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.079
he comes up to me and he
tries to like introduce me to Liz and
795
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.320
he's like, hey, uh,
this is Liz, and like he's telling
796
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.679
me like oh, Liz is interested
in coming to b x W and I
797
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.239
and you know, again, I've
told the story on the show, like
798
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.880
Pam. Pam didn't want nothing to
do with women's wrestling fucking in Allentown,
799
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.400
so it was always like now no
women And I'm like Mike, I'm like,
800
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.000
you know, like this is not
gonna happen because like because Missy had
801
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.079
gotten the ring. But this is
I think this is before Missy had tried
802
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.360
to get in the ring with Mythrol
like to kind of like like learn some
803
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.079
stuff, and fucking Pam starts sucking
through a sup you know, a fit.
804
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.840
But that was after maybe it was
after, but so he tried to
805
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.159
like introduce me to Liz and to
try to like get me to talk to
806
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:57.559
her and like but like she's like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna start
807
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.440
training to be a professional wrestler.
And I'm just kind of looking at it.
808
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.760
I'm like, you don't look like
anything like athletic, Like I'm thinking
809
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.159
a Sokare whatever look. So we
started, you know, chatting stuff at
810
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:12.760
that we'd like talk and then like
she came to like one Allentown show with
811
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.559
like them, and like nobody knew
who she was. She was very like
812
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.400
everybody was telling me, oh,
like because everybody nick thought, oh she's
813
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:22.960
your friend, she's your friend.
I'm like, oh, she's Mike Williams
814
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.639
like I met her like one time, like and then like I would like
815
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.559
see like the bullshit, Like she
started like saying, oh, like I'm
816
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.280
training to be a wrestler, like
I went to and she was like tell
817
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.079
me these lies like oh I went
to like wrestling school, and I'm like
818
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.519
okay, And I wasn't gonna ask
her, oh, like what do you
819
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.119
know, like because I don't really
give up, like I wasn't like I'm
820
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.880
focused on the show. And Mike
was just like, oh, maybe you
821
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:51.360
should talk to Pam. And I'm
like he's like, oh, maybe I
822
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.000
should work her in a match or
maybe you could put her into something with
823
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:57.840
a storyline. And I'm like no, I'm good, like now I'm not
824
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.559
interested in that, like and then
like so like she stopped coming once she
825
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.119
realized she wasn't getting booked. She
wasn't like she wasn't around and then like
826
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.159
all of a sudden, she's like
stopped like trying to talk to me.
827
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:08.880
So it was whatever, it's it's
good. I don't give a ship.
828
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:15.760
But yeah, but then I heard
about all the ship with with Mike and
829
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.920
like, but like, but talk
talk to me about that, like the
830
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.760
whole the whole ring bullshit. So
all I remember from that day, yeah,
831
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.079
Like they're saying, oh, yeah, we're gonna do a show at
832
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.880
at Liz's house because I think at
that time we were kind of struggling with
833
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.800
like a place to wrestle. I
think everywhere it's kind of parents were a
834
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.159
little fed up with us breaking ship, someone getting hurt, you know,
835
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:43.960
all that fun stuff. A few
few of our outdoor venues just constantly getting
836
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.559
snowed on, rained on, that
type of stuff. So she was like,
837
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.159
oh yeah, all off for my
place, and we're like okay,
838
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.280
cool. So then whoever's running it
was probably Mike book in the show,
839
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:59.760
and we get closer to it.
He's like, gosh, you'll never guess.
840
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:04.360
Like we got we got a ring
for the show at Liz's house.
841
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.480
She got a ring And I'm like, dude, that's awesome. Where is
842
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.320
it. They're like, oh,
it's in Liza's basement. I'm like,
843
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:14.159
why why is it in Liza's basement? That makes no sense, but whatever,
844
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:15.639
and then like I feel like I
think it was like a couple of
845
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.000
days later, it was like,
guys, oh, I forgot to tell
846
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.320
you it's a six sided ring,
like the TNA ring. And I was
847
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.199
like, oh, totally forgot about
I totally forgot it was a six sided
848
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:29.840
m Yeah. So we're like we're
like, oh, this is so fucking
849
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.320
cool, like this this is the
coolest thing ever, because at that time,
850
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.440
like the six sided ring was like
the fucking coolest thing ever. So
851
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.679
we're like, all right, awesome. So we're getting ready, we get
852
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.199
to Liz's house and then we're like, okay, cool, where's the ring.
853
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.480
It's not in the basement, And
like I remember, I remember there
854
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.519
was like a whole thing. I
feel like they were trying to prevent us
855
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.159
from like going down the basement because
it was never actually in the basement.
856
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.519
And then like I apologize, the
rest of my memory is a little hazy
857
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.840
on it, but like then they
tried saying like someone moved it. Someone
858
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.159
someone moved the or stolen or something. Oh, somebody stole it. Yeah,
859
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.400
somebody. Yeah, the story that
I heard with somebody stole it.
860
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.599
I think you told me because like
again like we like, you know,
861
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:15.360
the fuck did someone steal a sixteen
foot eight six foot side ring from a
862
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.199
basement? That makes no fucking sense, and then we just we wrestled the
863
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.320
show on crash pads instead, which
whatever. You know. Again, I
864
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.519
made the best of this situation.
I think I wrestled Peri and that due
865
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.960
truth in a three way. Cause
again, like that was one of the
866
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.840
things where and I was kind of
talking about a little before where with Eric
867
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.519
word like you might save something that
Jost was my memory and a few months
868
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.400
ago before before I got injured in
my very last match that I've had,
869
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.880
I was trying to get in that
mindset again, like I was watching some
870
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:49.840
old yard matches and like I came
across matches I had zero recollection of,
871
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.400
and one of the matches was from
that day. That's so weird that you
872
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.320
bring it up, because like that's
one of the matches I was watching that
873
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.599
day, and I'm pretty sure it
was a three way with those guys.
874
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.800
But yeah, I got a more
fun story though to talk about with Mike
875
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.679
Williams. Do you guys remember the
Mike Williams story how he left Don and
876
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:15.440
Puck Stuffer here Yep. That's literally, you know, that is literally the
877
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:20.199
last thing on my fucking list,
literally the last thing with a question mark,
878
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.400
because I was trying to I could
have sworn that you were a part
879
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:30.480
of that. Yes, I mean
to a degree, because I mean I
880
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:37.239
wrestled Don. Okay, that was
that was That was twenty Yeah, I
881
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.599
mean it was. It had to
be right after, not too so soon
882
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:45.119
after wrestle Fest, because that's when
I like everyone was like, oh yeah,
883
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:46.440
like we know you guys now,
and like you should come down and
884
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.159
wrestle with us and blah blah blah. Right, yeah, yeah, that's
885
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.800
literally Rust ten is the first time
I met like Don and Matt and Jay
886
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.800
and like the that entire group.
That was the first I really met the
887
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:07.719
GBYWN type, like that whole crew. So yeah, I remember we're playing
888
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.639
a show at Ray Ray Mars's house
that day and Mike text us at like
889
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.119
I don't know, five in the
morning, four in the morning, like
890
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.039
you guys will guess. You guys
will never guess where I'm at. Right
891
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.039
now. We're like where he's like
Cooperstown, New York. We're like,
892
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.519
Mike, why the fuck are you
at Cooperstown? New York and four in
893
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.360
the morning, we're wrestling at race
House and like we're supposed to be there
894
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.960
in five six hours, and he's
like, oh, I got some surprises,
895
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.320
and lo and behold he comes down
and fucking Don and Puck stuffer with
896
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.960
him. We were like, holy
shit, this is really cool. Like
897
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:45.079
that's fucking dope. So Mike goes
to me, he goes, yeah,
898
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.199
I brought down Don down here to
wrestle you. And that's one thing I
899
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.039
will always credit Mike too. He
was very you treated me very similar to
900
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:52.960
the way you treated me, Eric. He always gave me the out of
901
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.440
towners when they came in. Uh. And then like when it switched over
902
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.599
to OCWS and it was like Todd
and you know those guys that were more
903
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.920
doing like a lot of the book, and always gave me the outside guys
904
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.599
to like wrestle because again, like
you said, like me and Pete,
905
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.239
like we were those guys like that
they wanted to wrestle and stuff from back
906
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.679
in the day. So anyway,
so he brings Don down and Puck stuff
907
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.920
are down and me and Don had
a fun little match for you know,
908
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.119
a little base in the middle of
the woods, you know, it was
909
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:23.480
fun for what it was. I
remember taking the bedtime on it. I
910
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:25.199
was like, okay, that was
fun. Cool one, two, three.
911
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.280
Then fucking Mike Williams just left him
stranded down in Lakewood, New Jersey
912
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.880
with no way to get back up
to keepers standing. How the hell did
913
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:42.800
that? Like he just like,
oh, it's something like he doesn't have
914
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.760
the like gas, money or something
to get them there anymore. Just you
915
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.199
guys gotta find your own way back, Like what the fuck, dude,
916
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:54.199
that's random. It's all hell fucking
don and Polly Puck stuff, right bro.
917
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.480
Oh okay, hold on, I
don't know if this is on your
918
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.880
agenda, Matt. Do you remember
the Puck stuff for situation at Russell Yes,
919
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:09.920
yes, yes, so my god, so I remember Puck Stuffer because
920
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:15.480
he had this giant fucking Elmo or
whatever sey shirt. And we're the whole
921
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:21.079
weekend and Joe Randa needed to take
a ship. Well we're other than the
922
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.119
house, kind of in the middle
of the woods, woods next to a
923
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:28.239
creek, so it's like there's nowhere
really to go. Jo Joe Randa takes
924
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.960
a ship in the woods and the
closest thing he finds for toilet paper is
925
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:35.760
puck stuff for sure. Puck Stuffer, without knowing, proceeds to put his
926
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:44.239
shirt on and then just continues to
wear it because puck Stuffer. That's oh
927
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:49.199
my god, that I've never I've
never heard that story before. Yeah,
928
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:54.800
and today, oh yeah, And
then like the following day when we're just
929
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.800
fucking around, they did like a
news anchor thing where like some of the
930
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.119
guys were in the creek or whatever
ever, and Joe Randa was like the
931
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:05.320
play by play guy, so they
were just like, hey, Joe Rando
932
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.480
over here. He's like, yeah, I took a ship and puck stuff
933
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.639
for shirt. I wiped my ass
with it. He's wearing it back to
934
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:13.039
you fuckers, and I'm like,
god, damn it. Man. He
935
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.760
was like a guy. He was
like a guy. I know it was
936
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:20.320
not somebody you really wrestled with a
lot, but he was always a guy
937
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:27.000
that like his his antics kind of
made me laugh and I kind of it
938
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.320
kind of like if you look at
what the indie scene is now, he's
939
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:36.000
like one of those guys that probably
would have did well with like his like
940
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:44.400
comedic thing wrestling was really good.
It's just like I think, no,
941
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:52.679
no, no random ring about random
random's like antics reminds me of like what
942
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:58.159
kind of stuff like GCW, like
the the best backyard wrestling primo of all
943
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:04.079
time? Yeah, now he has
like think best elbow dropping backyard Yeah he
944
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:14.320
was like yeah he was very like
was very best backyard dress of all time.
945
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.119
Yeah. No, fucking stone stone
heart there Rich just brought up a
946
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:27.320
stone it was. And like when
I first saw that fucking stone Hardy thing,
947
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.679
I went, oh my god,
like him fucking there was a who
948
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:38.440
wasn't Tito? Who was the other
guy that was like always posting give me
949
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.480
give me a fu? I know
you're biger than this stuff. Who was
950
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:46.760
the fucking guy that was on the
was it was stone Hardy? Who's the
951
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.559
other guy that would post all these
all the time but never went to the
952
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:55.519
show. Trying to think who it
was? There was a third name and
953
01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.400
it was it was not a mid
It was like a Midwest guy, but
954
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.679
he wasn't like an Iowa guy and
like he had like shoot heat. I
955
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:08.480
think he had heat with like that. Oh, I know who it was.
956
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.480
I figured out who it was.
Barton was his last name? Damage?
957
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.800
How like heat was time was like
they had I think it was bart
958
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:21.719
Blaine Barton. I think the name
was. Was it Blaine Barton? It
959
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:26.079
was Blaine Barton. It was a
guy that damaged how like Damage wanted to
960
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:30.800
kill him? Yeah, Damage wanted
to know because he went after Like it
961
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:38.079
was right after Damages when Mike's dad
died, and like I don't remember exactly
962
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.840
what he posted, but if something
about his dad's death and it was not
963
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:45.119
called for and it was just it
was really it was really stupid, Like
964
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.199
I mean, it wasn't it was
fucking It was tasteless. The word it
965
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.360
was tasteless. But yeah, that
was just fucking. There was a lot
966
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:58.239
of like again like fucking Stonehart.
Damn. That kind of got me thinking
967
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:02.079
about old school stuff. But yeah, the fucking do you have any other
968
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:08.519
I have this in the oh.
The the reason that don did get back
969
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:13.960
to uh Cooperstown is because remember Mike
Williams had to ask his mom for for
970
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:19.920
money. Yeah, he had to
ask for I remember. I remember,
971
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:26.159
I think, why don't you pick
two motherfuckers up without the money to get
972
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.320
him back home? Dude. It
ain't the first time he did it.
973
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.239
Man, rest in peace, Joey
chaos. But like there was one time
974
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:39.840
now going back to Liz's you know
the R word, right, Joey Chaos
975
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:45.920
was one of her adventures at one
point, and he yeah, Brett don
976
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:50.880
kill Okay, yeah she she somehow
got around and she yeah, yeah she
977
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:57.960
was. She was gonna say that
was quick. But yeah. So he
978
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.719
drives all the way up to rosel
which is uh solid distance from where I
979
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.840
lived in Tom's River, brings Joey
all the way down, hangs out with
980
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:09.760
us, you know whatever, because
Liz is down here, blah blah blah
981
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.880
blah, he's got nowhere home.
Guess who's got to drive him back up
982
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.280
to Roselle Park. So at like
eleven twelve o'clock at night, I had
983
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.840
to drive two and a half hours
up to now Jersey, drop them off,
984
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.880
get home four or five in the
morning for something I didn't sign up
985
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:29.119
for, just so that he can
talk the list, that's this. I
986
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.639
didn't. I don't think Liz drove, is she. I don't think she
987
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.920
did either. No, I don't
think she she. I mean she's got
988
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.480
some like legitimate things like not right, and didn't she have like seizure I
989
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:44.920
thought she had like seizures? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think
990
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.400
she was able to physically drive,
like legally because of medical purposes. Yeah,
991
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.880
yeah, yeah, yeah, I
remember that. I remember she couldn't
992
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:56.519
drive because she was like, oh
Mike Williams could, Yeah, Mike was
993
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.880
Buckingham. Could I have one?
All right? So I have one story
994
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.280
of a question I want to ask
you about before we get to any of
995
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:09.519
my stories. What is the story
with Mike Damage and will Ospray? Oh
996
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:18.399
will you know? Only I know, I only know story. I want
997
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:24.560
the story. So okay, So
rams Fan, I mean I think he
998
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.640
said so. So we were trying
they were were they were trying to book
999
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:33.600
like the Inland guys, and like
they got Sam here and them and actually
1000
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.239
actually Don and pirates. They all
were here, but they wanted five and
1001
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.439
so like they you know, by
ext we had a good you know relationship
1002
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.680
with with with Sam and Tim and
everybody was friends with each other. I
1003
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.399
think I think we were the first
people to bring in the England guys unless
1004
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:57.319
they came friend white, I don't
I can't remember. Yeah, so there
1005
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.159
was interest in in the So we're
gonna fuck I'll get into this could be
1006
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.640
a fucking three hour episode. Fucking
christ but uh, and I've mentioned this
1007
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:13.119
Osbury fucking you know story before,
but you haven't heard it. So so
1008
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.039
like they wanted to bring Ospray in, and Damage wanted to bring Osprey in.
1009
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.000
So I guess Osprey had interest in
coming here because it would have been
1010
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:25.439
the first time here in the States
and this is before like the you know,
1011
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:30.800
before he came here for for actual
independent wrestling, but so he had
1012
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:31.960
like brought him in and they were
like I don't know if they were the
1013
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:36.600
Damage and like Ospar were talking or
maybe Sam Jude and Tim Lee were trying
1014
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:40.920
to talk, but it like makes
no sense because like the first time I
1015
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:45.439
met Sam, we were talking about
Will, and like Sam met mentioned that
1016
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:50.840
like, oh, like Will was
like entitled and like everything was given to
1017
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.640
him and like his mom like funded
all this stuff. So like it just
1018
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:00.119
it didn't make any sense because like
Sam and Tim were like part you know,
1019
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.960
the fucking like outgoing and then they're
like, oh, Will's kind of
1020
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.359
a dick, So like I knew
that years ago, so like when he
1021
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.399
comes to wrestling, I was like
I don't fucking like but like then,
1022
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.640
like they wanted to bring him in, and I I think I think the
1023
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:21.119
idea was to have him in Zane. I don't I don't remember if it
1024
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.239
was Zaying or Andy, but I
kept thinking of the zayme thing. I
1025
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.840
just like I've always thought Zaying zaying
Zane because like when when Osprey and Zane
1026
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.399
happened, it happened in Philly at
the at the Arena at the twenty three
1027
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.279
hundred Arena, and I remember like
going, oh shit, that would have
1028
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:41.640
been fucking awesome to see an Allentown
but like he didn't, like he like
1029
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:47.319
commented on a video something happened with
like Damage posting something and then Osprey's like,
1030
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.079
oh, I'm not gonna come to
Allentown and wrestle on a twelve by
1031
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:57.359
twelve ring and that was like why
And then it was like, well,
1032
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.000
like I don't remember what the whole
thing was, Like a Damage told me
1033
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.319
pretty much for the fuck himself,
but like, yeah, it was something
1034
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.680
to do with Oscary didn't want to
wrestle in the twelve by twelve ring,
1035
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.640
but like all his friends came over
here and had bang like fucking good ass
1036
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.920
matches bangers, right, and it
just didn't make any sense, like you
1037
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.439
had fucking we had fucking mythrol who's
three hundred and fifty fucking pounds, have
1038
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:27.560
fucking dope ass matches and you had
fucking like fucking fucking was in that fucking
1039
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:31.439
ring and it's fucking tall as ship. You know it run the gate.
1040
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:34.600
Didn't have good matches, but it
was tall. It had like you know,
1041
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:38.600
you fucking did with what you got. It was. It wasn't about
1042
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:42.079
the wrestling, it was about the
fucking hangout with your friends and dude,
1043
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.199
I mean the Yixidy shows were like
a fucking like the party, man,
1044
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.199
Like you go to the show,
you go to the fucking roadway, you
1045
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:50.199
go fuck you know, you hang
out with your friends and then just what
1046
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.239
that was your weekend. It was
your fucking vacation, man, Like this
1047
01:11:55.439 --> 01:12:00.760
fucking cecis that season no more?
That fucking got. Yeah, it was
1048
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.359
like one of the fucking worst places
I think I went. I went one
1049
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:08.920
time and I never went back.
But it was like fucking gross, like
1050
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.720
I went for a BXW show,
like they wanted to like make it like
1051
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:15.079
that like the after it. That's
where we know they never ever went to
1052
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.760
that. I never, Yeah,
I just never. I don't know why.
1053
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:20.880
But it was usually like help and
clean up and do stuff and like
1054
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:25.079
hanging out back on Allentown. But
yeah, no, that's where thing was.
1055
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.960
Like, it was like he didn't
want to wrestle on the twelve by
1056
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.359
twelve, so fuck him, you
know, And I didn't. Again,
1057
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.840
I didn't really appreciate the way he
you know, handled that business. Like
1058
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:39.479
it wasn't like that he posted on
the four Like I get if he didn't
1059
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.920
want to wrestle on the twelve by
twelve, I get it, but like
1060
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:45.359
to pretty much like talk shit in
a in a public like if he had
1061
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:48.239
reached out to Mike and went like, hey, I don't really want to
1062
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.279
wrestle on the twelve by twelve.
I don't think i'll do do well.
1063
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:56.720
That's something different. That's a different
conversation, right, But like it's like
1064
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:02.520
publicly trash BXW for the ring.
It just didn't like it wasn't a good
1065
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:06.880
look, you know, and like
and then you know, like when you
1066
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:11.880
when he when you see something stupid
like that, it's years later you kind
1067
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:13.760
of put that in your back of
your head, like, hey, he
1068
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.680
didn't want to wrestle the twelve by
twelve rings, but a wrestler you know
1069
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:20.960
it just it just seems like I
don't know, man, just he's not
1070
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:25.960
I don't know. Yes, that
wasn't for him. It wasn't for him,
1071
01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:28.359
you know what I mean, it
wasn't for him. That's fair man,
1072
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:31.600
you know that's fair. Hey,
all the credit to him what he's
1073
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:36.000
fucking done since. But like I've
never heard the full story of what actually
1074
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:42.560
happened. Yeah, that's exactly what
happened. Yeah, it was just it
1075
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.600
was wild. He was a guy
that you know, I got. He
1076
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.319
is good, but it's one of
the best in the world. I can't
1077
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.920
fucking I can't tell you that he's
not the best in the world. But
1078
01:13:51.920 --> 01:14:00.640
you know, he's he didn't want
to twelve twelve. Yeah, but that's
1079
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:04.800
all he messed out. Let's get
let's get uh, let's continue. We
1080
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:09.920
have some more topics to talk about. So you mentioned E w A earlier.
1081
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.279
We're gonna kind of rewind a little
bit. E w A and working
1082
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.399
with E w A going up to
Avenue. How far How far was that
1083
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.000
a trip for you going up to
Avenue? Like if I drove straight there,
1084
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:28.279
probably about an hour fifteen give her
take. But because like I would
1085
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.199
pick up uh, Pete, his
brother, you know, whoever. You
1086
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.079
know, I was always the driver
with those shows. It would take me,
1087
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:39.039
I don't know, probably two hours
give her take. Okay, you
1088
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:43.199
know for there, I'm back.
But uh yeah, let's let's talk about
1089
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:46.000
w A. So you so you
were one of those guys that came came
1090
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:51.399
on there the shows like when the
Base the Base shows, you started going
1091
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:56.239
there and I felt like you were
going there, uh, pretty much every
1092
01:14:56.279 --> 01:15:00.239
week once they got the ring?
Did you notice? I mean, you're
1093
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.039
gonna I know the kind of the
answer, but I'm kind of helping you
1094
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:08.880
with the question here did you notice
a change from the EWA based days to
1095
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:14.119
the EWA ring days the kind of
the EWA date swan days? Like what
1096
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:17.560
noticed? What changes did you see? And when did it? Did it
1097
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:24.039
not become fun at any point?
I wouldn't say that it never became fun
1098
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:28.680
for me. There was definitely a
change. Yeah one, there was a
1099
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.640
change. But I always enjoyed what
I got because I was doing the whole
1100
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:36.600
e WA like e w A versus
what was it like new era or whatever?
1101
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.000
And I was like the the one
guy who robbed Comway from lave Res
1102
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:46.039
Estan. So I'm not actually from
the New Era generation. I'm actually from
1103
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:48.640
New Jersey, but I sympathize with
them, Like I don't know, I
1104
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:50.840
just had fun with that, and
that's you know, I was teaming with
1105
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.319
Danny. Why wouldn't I have fun
doing that. I had one of the
1106
01:15:55.439 --> 01:16:00.359
best tag matches of my life with
Danny and Rollerblade, Like so much fun.
1107
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:05.279
The first year that we had the
ring and we did the the Money
1108
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:12.000
in the Bank ladder match, when
I had guys like abb Attic Static Auburn
1109
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.279
trying to think Paul Dempsey, like
I'm man, I could just go on
1110
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.199
with names who were in that match. Jordan, I think I already said
1111
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:24.680
Jordan. But anyways, like that
was such a fun ladder match to finally
1112
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.560
get to do that style match in
a ring, So like I took that
1113
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.039
as a challenge because now we're in
wrestling in a ring every week, and
1114
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:35.560
it helped develop those skills that like
I didn't really learn in pro pro classes
1115
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:41.920
because you know, pro training was
two hours away and guys had a certain
1116
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.560
attitude about us y arters and we
already talked about this. So like then
1117
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:50.439
having Eric Corvs there every week and
John Bo's there every week, guys who
1118
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.079
have pro training and stuff like that, who are now training me. I
1119
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.039
was starting to learn how to do
things the right way. The style changed,
1120
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.479
yes, but I think it's changed
sometimes for the safer better a little
1121
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:06.359
bit in a lot of retrospect with
some of the really dumb shit that we
1122
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:11.520
kind of did, But it never
stopped becoming fun for me. It just
1123
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.119
the drive started kind of, you
know, doing that for I don't know
1124
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.479
how many years, from twenty ten
to twenty fourteen. Every day I was
1125
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.800
starting to go down to college in
South Jersey by Atlantic City at Stockton,
1126
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:26.079
Like I was just getting involved at
school. It was too much for me
1127
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:29.439
to go to EWA at that point
every week. Yeah, I always wondered
1128
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:31.119
what happened because you were going there
for a while. Man's just like,
1129
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:35.439
yeah, that's it. Life just
started happen. Had a girlfriend at you
1130
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:40.560
know the time that that relationship took
things, you know, a precedent when
1131
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.479
it came to weekends, because like, yeah, we spent time together in
1132
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:45.720
college, but we had classes,
we had Greek life events, we had
1133
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:47.880
that type of stuff. So like, yeah, when we had weekends,
1134
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:54.479
we'd spend weekends together. So wrestling
kind of OCWS was a lot closer to
1135
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:58.119
get to because it was twenty minutes
away and Tom's River as opposed to two
1136
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.720
hours at that point to go to
Travis's right, did you like now when
1137
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:10.880
you went tow when you went Toba
Base versus the ring? Did you notice
1138
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:15.640
that one of one of the changes
was the way that Travis and Joe kind
1139
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.159
of booked the shows like to more
of like an indieed type stuff, because
1140
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:24.359
I felt like the like the base
shows and even though they went back to
1141
01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:28.960
date like they went from bass the
ring to bass, did you feel that
1142
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:33.159
there was a change in the style
of wrestling that they would do, because
1143
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:38.960
like I felt I loved EWA like
based stuff, but I felt like the
1144
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:42.119
ring stuff. Even though some of
the guys were having good matches in the
1145
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:46.479
ring, I just felt like the
style was not really like the ring.
1146
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.560
I don't know, It's just like
with a ring, you kind of have
1147
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:54.920
to book the show a certain way, and I felt it wasn't at certain
1148
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.439
like the super shows. Yes,
like the elites, like like those shows
1149
01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:00.920
were like, you know, we're
very good shows, but it just felt
1150
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:04.760
like the weekly EWA shows were not
really like they'd have a match here,
1151
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.239
and there we were like, oh, good, you know, good match
1152
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:13.880
here. Did you feel that Travis
changed as a person because of like the
1153
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:20.479
responsibility or do you feel like it
was just a progression in the WA Again,
1154
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:26.000
Travis never treated me in a differently. Travis Joe whoever was always booking
1155
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.319
the shows. They were always straight
up and honest with me about stuff.
1156
01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.039
They're you know, tell me you're
having this match for this reason. You're
1157
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:33.800
not having this match for this reason. You flaked out on this show,
1158
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.880
and then said last minute you can
come. Uh so you're gonna job the
1159
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:41.119
brand in five minutes. And that's
exactly what I did. Like, I
1160
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.800
didn't care. I was just there
having fun regardless of the situation. Yeah,
1161
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.680
I mean sure stuff changed a little
bit, and I think they were
1162
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.399
trying to go a little pro they
were trying to I think at that point
1163
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.960
maybe they were getting burnt out just
booking matches for the sake of matches.
1164
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.880
Maybe you know, Okay, they're
they're in interested. Uwa's kind of becoming
1165
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:05.319
an idea. Well, let's try
to book storylines, let's try to make
1166
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:11.159
characters, and let's try to have
things mean something. And then this is
1167
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.399
like the testing waters for them to
bring that to the pro level at UWA,
1168
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.279
which they are still running to this
day. So I think that was
1169
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:24.319
a success in my opinion. Again, I don't I don't knock it for
1170
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:29.680
for what they tried doing. Yeah, the match quality was definitely different.
1171
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.079
We weren't doing Canadian destroyers every five
seconds. But again, we started wrestling
1172
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.119
in a safer style, right,
something that is more akin to a pro
1173
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:42.600
Andy style. And I got to
learn a lot during that era, So
1174
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:45.119
I got nothing but good things to
say about that Ara, to be honest,
1175
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:49.600
how about how about this name and
let's see if we have any stories
1176
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:59.920
to avoid bring out of this one. Heck, Andy, Andy is the
1177
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:05.359
most interesting, complex person I've ever
met in my life. I've only had
1178
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:10.720
one match with him that I can
think of, and then looking back at
1179
01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:13.479
yeah, it was on the base, and looking back, honestly, I
1180
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.800
don't. I think it could have
been a lot better. But Andy was always

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