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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, Miami Dolphin Span.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host, Fans and mechanic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are back with another episode behind enemy lines with a very special guest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, before I introduce him, I want to make sure to let you know to be sure to follow our show, a Miami Dolphin Span side of podcast, props to you by five reason sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guy Nick Hogan, Patriots fan, boo, he's a host of Foxborough frenzy and co-host of the between the tackles podcast and one of our favorite guys from fan first sports network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing my friend?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back season the season is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I I always have to join my favorite dolphins fans, which I can't say I have a lot of them obviously, but if there's at the top of the top, it's you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't be more thrilled than to be joining you guys again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we're both coming at each other own one this weekend, but we're going to talk all about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so let's begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to first get this out the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the latest news on injuries for the Patriots as we had to week two this Sunday Matt AFC east matchup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me personally, I know the biggest one that I'm keeping an eye out for the Patriots alone is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian Gonzalez as always he is arguably the best player on the New England Patriots at this point and he missed week one with that hamstring injury That's been bothering him throughout the preseason going into now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be officially ruled out today in active again with that hamstring injury
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[SPEAKER_00]: not a great look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one that caught me by surprise was Keyon White who kind of started off really strong last year and kind of fell off towards the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping for bigger things from him this year where he kind of looked like he slid down the depth chart a little bit and now he's ruled out as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few other guys that are poking around on the questionable list at this point, but really the two big ones are obviously Christian Gonzalez and Keyon White who is a big part of that defensive line unit we got there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, certainly does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say I was going to add key on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He started off like super, had a super strong beginning of last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully, I don't know, I'm hoping it was weird to see him not be with the starters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he is huge athletic versatile, not bendy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, I'm just hoping variable
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can can turn that promise into something this season just not this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a big thing I think I'd notice obviously with the change and defensive schemes it could be personnel decisions with that But at the same time you never knew no new coaching and then he was very outspoken about the coaching What happened last year that could play a little bit into it, too, so
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, illness quotations like he survived all the other bill cuts, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, we'll see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, he has the talent and I kind of actually liked him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's another dish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have too many past wrestlers, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll have a good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have a good rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go back a little bit and kind of focus on week one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In your mind, what are the positives and negatives that you've seen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: going against the Raiders and what you what you can expect looking for for this match up with we too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the biggest thing for me that I'll take right now is that I'm looking for more consistency across the board from the offensive side of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a tenured guy with Joshua Daniels who's been with the organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty much two decades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's at pit stops in other places and whatnot, but like he has the pedigree and he's worked with guys like Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked with the professionals where he needs to get Drake May, you know, situated where he's actually staying in the pocket, making the passes he needs to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got talent around him, which
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[SPEAKER_00]: arguably nobody's going to say that he had talent around him last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got digs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got Henry who looks good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got guys, Travegan Henderson who's supposed to be this amazing running back coming out of the state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it from the first play that Henderson touched the football in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took the thing 100 yards to the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to see consistency where we saw it on really just one drive last week, I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the wheels kind of fell off the rest of the game, going against the Raiders where
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[SPEAKER_00]: we need to see them actually capitalize on, you know, mistakes from the other team and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, really quickly just for the defensive side that I'll say, again, they have to make plays when they need to make plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a big thing was they had chances to get back in that game against the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I they'd let up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like four or five plays of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thornton at near the end, I believe this was his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That Davis just led up a 30 yard with his starting 20 and it just ice the game and it's like you have a rookie or a one-year player going against a guy who won a Super Bowl and you expect the Super Bowl winner to win that matchup and it's just that was a backbreaker and it's like a lot of people in New England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to speak for Jen or obviously but like I was sitting there going, oh my god are we still in last year is that's what's happening right now but I really hope that's not the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I don't want to be that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Miami Dolphins look like they're right for the pick and to try and get the ship right it on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want to say that until it actually happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, you know, it's going to be a good time for everyone to kind of will both teams to kind of get right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's going to be a really good competition better outing for both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to do one of the specifically focused on May.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What have you seen so far, do you feel like you can see progression in this offense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you run, did I know you said they kind of struggled a little bit the first game, but I saw a lot of good passes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lot of open routes for the receiver, so that's a lot of good things, something that
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[SPEAKER_01]: our team kind of struggle with our cornerbacks because you know that's been our weakness throughout training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is your evaluation on Drake made this new offense and do you expect growth from this point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so my dog just bit me, but I was like, oh, it looks like I'm going to speak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, go for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, I wasn't as upset as like everyone else was about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the second half wasn't as good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Drake is going to like, I'm okay with with his any time interception for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to kill you for that if they're
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[SPEAKER_02]: be able to make something happen behind, which is an improved offensive line, but which was amongst the worst, even worse in Miami's last season with zero weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he showed life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I found the first half it really wasn't that bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were some really good throws, I thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: him and Hunter Henry clearly have chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Him and booty clearly have chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pop didn't pop the way that they have been, you know, either last year or autumn camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I expect that to write itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely like to see Travey on a way more involved in his office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remandray the fumble god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't need to see that as much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've loved him always have, but I want to see a more explosive offense, and I think he needs Josh's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: how conservative he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there are pluses and minuses to that for developing Drake and his mechanics and not gonna aim to bad habits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you now have some talent there that you can work with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be afraid to freakin' use it, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I heard a lot of people like, oh, patrons have got children at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Their defense looked okay, not great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Big plays that were given up opportunities left as you said, Hogan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not as down on the offensive performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it wasn't great, but the first half showed me some things for a kid who just turned 23 like a week ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not expect the Drake maybe see in the 2025 season to be the like final incarnation of what it is Patriots fans hope that he could potentially be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just you want to see some steps forward, some progression.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be a total Debbie Downer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a horrible day for Miami fans on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not a great day for living in fans either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wasn't as down on it as a lot of people were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big thing is a lot of people in New England always forget, you know, past 20 years with Brady with everything was like, the sky's falling whenever we lose a game and it's just, I think with the recent history obviously and the expectations going into this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I looked at it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be, I'll be straight up with you guys with variable taking over the personal changes that they made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I look at this team as saying, you know, I would be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with eight, possibly nine wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I was, I mean, I haven't, if they could, if they could double what four wins they've had four wins last year and the year before, if they could double that, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they a playoff team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even need them to make a playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to see progression going forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you talked about was Drake May was that progression where I did see that on last Sunday compared to last year where he was running for his life constantly last year because of that offensive line that you brought up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the worst in the league as far as I'm concerned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't see as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say almost like anxiety from him in this last last game where he could stand in the pocket a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could do what he needed to do, but it wasn't up to par with what we need to see in order for them to win games because I think at the end of the day, I look at that as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Raiders are an interesting team, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are anybody sitting there betting on the Raiders and when the Super Bowl probably not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are they, could they make the playoffs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they got P Carroll, they got Gino Smith, they have the pedigree that has done it before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can't take on a team like the Raiders, how are you going to do against an Eagles team, a Chiefs team, Buffalo team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones that you have to sit there and go, okay, is this team built to win over the Long Hall or are we still really rebuilding from the scraps
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how are you going to be Miami who struggled with, you know, since, you know, two has been here, and even when Brady was here, like it was his hardest team, you know, like he had his worst winning percentage against Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just always historically been a struggle, and even before that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So going down there at the beginning of the season, always hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is especially, you know, you're learning a new offense and usually the first four or five weeks still is the struggle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know your identity of your team, what you're trying to do, what you're trying to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get to especially for us, you know, I don't know what our identity is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we can be a balance with the emphasis of run first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of identity, your defense seems like it went a little bit young, fast, more physical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you give me a little bit of evaluation on them and how they kind of looked in your mind?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the strengths there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the weaknesses to look out for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me personally, I thought the biggest thing was last year was just a dumpster fire all around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know that the train wreck that was the defense last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going into this season, you know, that weren't a ton of guys retained from last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we spoke about one with Keon White where like Jen mentioned he went from a really good start to last year to not even being a starter this year with how he fell off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean arguably Christian Gonzalez is the best one of the best corners in the league currently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen him on the field yet which is a real bummer because I was hoping between him and Carlton Davis who was a big signing there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody was excited about our second dairy was really supposed to be that lock down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're not going to let up big throws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to shut down guys like Tyreken, Waddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we were going to take care of those kind of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw the success that Jacobi Myers, Brock Bowers, had last week with the Raiders against us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think our safeties are a big question now, because we got a rookie out there, Craig Woodson, who's our free safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is only the second game in the league, you know, that's so that's definitely something that you can look out for on Sunday with Tua trying to take advantage of any deep throws there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go after the secondary, especially with Gonzalez out, he played great against
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[SPEAKER_00]: But going off of the other part of what you're question there with the whole defense entirely, the strength of it has to be the D line at this point because you spent the money on Milton Williams, who won the Super Bowl for the Eagles doing what he did against the Chiefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen Bitsa that where he's done great bull rushing and getting after the the the pastor and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he looked good in preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked good last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he rated, I think, one of the highest on the D line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't see the impact because you didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Williams can continue to improve along with Barmore, they should be locked down, nose tackles, detackles, just mulling inside there, taking care of business, and then continuing with Harold Landrieg, the third.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He coming over from Tennessee, he looked like a re-rejuvenated guy getting out for the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he had two sacks, but not mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he had two, right, two and a half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which one was that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, didn't Kian have that in the first game of last year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, against the bangles, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So don't put that jujuan as I don't want to know that he's a vet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a vet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a big thing is our D line at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess has to be that focus to disrupt things and get after the quarterback to make him uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say it, but our linebacker crew kind of looks like the weakest part, which a lot of people are arguing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be one of the strongest one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where we have Robert Splane who's voted captain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been around the lead for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great fast guy, but the line back in crew got picked on a little bit last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking to see if they're going to write that ship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, were you talked about the run game with HN?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not exactly an easy guy to bring down with how fast and what he can do on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I still wonder how it's going to look because we are whole right side of that offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been it's now injured so we have a guy at right guard who's to me not a guard he's a tackle he's a swing tackle but they they seem to love him there okay cool and then you have a Larry Borham at right tackle who I don't trust personally
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[SPEAKER_01]: But have shown some some form of consistency and preseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just interested to see what that looks like, especially he's going against Landry, who had a really good season opener, like you mentioned two and a half sets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be something to look out for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bombers or the guy that I'm really like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see how he challenges not only Keyon Smith, which is our right guard, but our rookie Jonas Savai Naya, who I personally love, but you know, he's a rookie, so you know, they're gonna test them a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be, it's gonna be a nice, an interesting battle on the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jen, I don't know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is the weakness or the strengths of the Patriots defense?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, Gonzo and the line and it should have been the, you know, the corner back duo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they didn't dress it more because.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don Zo, I don't want to put this out there either, but it worries me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you probably already know what I'm thinking, but I'm not going to say it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And same thing with Carl Davis, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that there wasn't like another plant, it was very grier like or something to be super top heavy and then not have any sort of, you know, just, and I don't mean like, just not have a plant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying they don't have a plant at all, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Things are likely to happen and to have somebody out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go and get rid of who was one of my, now I'll top two players on the Jibrio peppers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I freaking loved him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd absolutely hit stick, just a monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand going younger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand getting rid of Bill guys, I guess, but I did not understand getting rid of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't, I don't understand how you did it after the 53.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even get a pixel out form.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got nothing for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not understand it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still wanna know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, actually, I was going to say going off of that, too, is you look at a guy like Kyle Dugger that they paid a bunch of money to last season, who's on the, he said on the bench right now, he's not starting, like I mentioned, you got Craig Watson of rookie free, free safety playing there where you have Dugger who has experience, and Dugger me wrong, I've never been a huge Dugger fan, but you're paying the guy the money you're paying him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to sit and watch a rookie struggle and do what he's doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's there are some question marks across the board where it's like you got to wonder are they trying to get the experience now to build up four later where again I never want to put this out there that coaches or players or teams kind of just throw in the towel before the season started but it's more or less like hey is this an experience here is this a year where we get guys built up to where they need to
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that's a that's a big part of it is, you know, you look at like I look at the dolphins back when and two is rookie year right like where they bounce back and forth with him and Ryan Fitzpatrick where it was he wasn't the bonnified starter every single week because they need his him to get that experience, but you knew over time he was going to be that guy where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are we going to see that from the Patriots at this point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because you've got got veterans that are sitting on the bench not doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got rookies that are playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not succeeding yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm pulling this out of proportion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had one week of the variable 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could be way off based, but you never know what could happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just piss me off and I thought I was really weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you were going to go that route, if you wanted to go younger, faster, more zone, whatever, like, if you wanted to do that, why didn't you get, like, you could get, could have gotten something for, or can you figure out rappers?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They grew, like it was well known that they shopped Dougher, and other people said they weren't shopping him and just then he was gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it didn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I personally wanted him to end up in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like exactly what we needed in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Literally, like off that presence, like smarty shit, he earned his way into a starting role, various starting roles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Over other starters,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like, with Bill, from Bill, like, you know, and bowl all sea to roll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, you could use that even if it's just for the brain power and, you know, just the up, up presence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then let me ask you this then, because you talked about, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Benching Vets, Jan, you spoke about the youth movement as we're trying to do here in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the measuring state?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you do feel like this is something that they're just trying to get the experience for the young guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel this is a must win personally, because it is an AFC East division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is the goal for this season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm being honest with myself as a as a patriots fan and and really looking at the team, you're not going to, you're not going to blow everybody out the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be, you're not going to win 10 plus games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to be on a Super Bowl run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not doing any of that where we're being realistic about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to get better week over week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if the plan is to get the young guys the experience for later on, if there's no
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's as much as we're doing away from the bill system, like Jen's talking about, where we're almost doing the bill system, where the extension of the preseason was always the first four weeks of the season for the Patriots, where how many times did we see the Patriots start slow, where that the year they were two and two and they got their socks blown off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: by the Kansas City Chiefs and remember the infamous Trent Delfer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Patrius Dynasties dead, wrap it up and what they do, they go on, they win the Super Bowl that year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in no way shape or form am I comparing that 2014 season to this one, obviously not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is variable was very much a part of those old systems and you think about even his Tennessee tenure when he was with Tennessee and what those teams did, nobody sat there and said, hey, Tennessee is going to make a deep run this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make the AFC championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to knock up Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to give home homes a run for his money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody said that, but his teams got better as the season went on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the biggest thing that I'm looking at is last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots kind of shocked everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Cincinnati Week 1 who were Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows what kind of team that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just holy crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots might not be as bad as everybody thought they were going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they got their, you know, they got pants the rest of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they progressively got worse, which we talked about with the last time I was on here where, you know, the Dolphins struggle last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously the Patriots were just a dumpster fire by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hence Mayo getting fired immediately as the season ended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this year we need to see the progression, not the regression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the biggest thing is as I do I look at Miami as a must win week two probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what I love to see it as in terms of like an AFC standing and get that win and feel good about yourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to matter until I see them winning against divisional opponents in week 14, 15, 16, when it actually matters when they need to get better going into what you hope is a playoff run or at least building into the next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I always try and break that down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about you, Jen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this is a must win for the for the Patriots or do you kind of fall in mind with what Holden was mentioning kind of just progression for each week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, get into that eight, eight, nine, ten win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Made people play off when because you never know you're not for real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: with continuity, progression, you know, I think Ray Bro is a guy that can get a team competitive and surprise and get some some really tough teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's a must win?
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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, and I'm gonna say, I have my own personal reasons for who I want to win this this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna keep them to myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I will say is that I'm not gonna like, either way, I'm gonna come out like, it's like one week when I can ever lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I get two games a year that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a preference sometimes?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a preference this time for sure though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think it's a perfect opportunity for the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No one expects anything of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got this two a monkey on their back that they have never
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when we saw the schedule, we're like, you just immediately chalked that up as an L for New England in Miami Week 2 and then you come off of last week and the Miami's in absolute shambles right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was putrid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a million times worse than the Patriot showing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was really bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just saying maybe there's a shop, you know, maybe maybe maybe the Patriots can do it like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But probably for exactly that reason, it won't happen either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not getting any hopes up one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, it's weak too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to be disappointed either way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be happy one way or another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody's going to like be better than I expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when it's not,
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[SPEAKER_02]: New England Week, I'm always rooting for Miami, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that makes the rest of my season more fun to see Miami not be a condomster fire like they were last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's New England, hey, I could celebrate that too because A, that's my OG team, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from mass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will always love them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, you know, it just, it gets rid of this past few years of, let's just like they can't get over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it clear, heart, whatever, clear eyes, fucking pure heart, something can't lose, that's me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jen, you spoke in a little
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think two is eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was two is never lost to the pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was eight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the Patriots have won during this time that he's been here, but he's been hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The end of 2022 years day, the Patriots won Teddy got hurt and one point of whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So at some point that should have to end anyway, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can end later on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we play what week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't really matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had them splitting this year because I was giving them a. I didn't know it was going to happen week one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: be I was handing it to Miami, not even a doubt in my mind, we too, in Miami, but I was like, this time I'm betting on the what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what, it's not gonna be another warm 60 to grit, 60 degree January first day, like it wasn't 2022 up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be January, whatever, one in 13, under 50 degrees, yes, I'm taking New England.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how to get your who's quarterback like I'm dating New England.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel that I feel that but so I thought we'd split but let's see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We the way I'll come out all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not everybody off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm really hoping we we turned it around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind the week 18 where maybe we're in a playoff spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to rest our guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, speak to existence, but yeah, hope and thank you again for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one final question for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in regards to the prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you feel is the final prediction?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your expected stand out on in this game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what does no England need to do to win?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're putting me on the spot with a whole lot of barn burners right there, but I'll do my best to satisfy you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess for the big one that I really need for me personally, I think I want him to stand out just, you know, will he stand out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's trading on Henderson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see this kid unleashed already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we saw him in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they tried to give him the ball a whole bunch against the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get him on the kickoff returns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get him out there first and second downs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have him be a third down back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have him be a Kevin folk, a James White, get him the ball as much as you possibly can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kid is a stud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, people were shocked when they felt he fell to the Patriies in the second round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people were saying that he could easily go in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what he did for Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a huge Texas Longborn fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw what he did to my team and the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so excited that they got him in the pro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kid is a stud get him the football on top of the two would be nice to see digs get more of a repertoire with Drake made there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to throw that out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people keep forgetting that stuff on digs is actually on the Patriots almost myself sometimes we didn't even mention them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have a chance to click and she yeah towards the end of the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like heating up like right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He started sort of certain show himself and put trivia on out there anyway, because he's green pass protection like why is he out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, like you you with the nail in the head with fumbling Stevenson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be traded That's a I could go off for another hour about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys But I guess if I have a prediction for this game
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think it's going to be a little bit better for both teams offensively because again, I think even though Miami struggled against the colds, and like you said, it was dumpster fire, everything like that, if there's a defense that you can sort of pick on right now, it is the Patriots with the absence of Ganzo because you have the talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in Miami to do that with Tyreak with Jalen Waddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if there's a Darren Waller is going to be, no, he's out for the game, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say, okay, I was going to say, you guys at Junior Smith that did, you know, crazy for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Waddle again picked up, I was like, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's even still with HM with Hill with Waddle, you guys have a still a formidable offensive like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: crew down there that could easily pick apart a defense that's not ready for that kind of speed with that kind of talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a big part of it is I need to see the defense try and do their best to lock that down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get after two would make them uncomfortable, but I still see a most of low scoring game kind of where I think it's going to be, if I had gone to my head, I got to give the Patriots a little credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to score about 20, 21 points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miami, I could see them
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[SPEAKER_00]: 16 17 points on that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I do get the Patriots and edges because it's it's I know it's my Emmys the curse land where we can't win It's too and everything like that, but I have to be the optimistic one this time I we're not going we're not going for them one overall pick like we were talking last time at everything Where I was like hey, I'm on Miami fan this weekend Let's go give us that number one pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to hope for the best and hope my boys get it done
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[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't even get that right, we couldn't, we couldn't, and that's my good fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this, that's very fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to give a prediction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be a three point game either way like, and I don't know who's going to win to be honest, like I think it's going to be a close game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think both of our offenses will have a better showing than last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going nuts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The vibes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think are going to favor Miami down there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just a different team at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the vibes are off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's be serious, the vibes are off, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it is not the same, it is just not the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a timing and based offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they haven't really played together, you know, even all preseason and stuff, it doesn't vote well for them, but it is the home opener.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're completely different team there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I don't think it's gonna be the same showing as last week, but it is super concerning at the entire right hand side of the offensive line, which is to his blind side is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: just picking up this week and trying to piece it together and Landry likes to play on that site.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think let's this shit out of Tua.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like get let aging gas like gas you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let them take their chances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like but like our secondary right now is
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, New England seconder right now is, you know, we've seen just one play, just all of those waddle, those, those two would waddle every single time at Hard Rock, just whenever they need it, just, or hinted Tyreak obviously, but it just happens there, it's like magic, it's fun, it's cool, it's fun, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would just say if I were in the Patriots, I would also test Miami's secondary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would have jam run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Miami is never good with mobile quarterbacks, just like New England isn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, got that going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're hoping the front seven can really, especially with Willie Gay, not wasn't involved at all last.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, you know, according to Weber, he was mentioning that, you know, the game got out of hand and he there were expecting that play him, but Man, just, you know, things didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just, you know, he's a, I think he's a situational player where, you know, you want to kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: run like ad extra icing to the cake, another sack, some type of impact quay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Willie Gay is that it just, it wasn't in warrant for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would never happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it was just weird when we saw the snap counts like that was I far the stand out on defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: during creases and where the heck was he.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so hopefully we'll see him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he can be that spy for the for the for the picture's quarterback and we can get this stuff man hogan appreciate you once again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let the fans know where they can find you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, Miami Dolphin Span.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host, Fans and mechanic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are back with another episode behind enemy lines with a very special guest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, before I introduce him, I want to make sure to let you know to be sure to follow our show, a Miami Dolphin Span side of podcast, props to you by five reason sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guy Nick Hogan, Patriots fan, boo, he's a host of Foxborough frenzy and co-host of the between the tackles podcast and one of our favorite guys from fan first sports network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing my friend?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back season the season is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I I always have to join my favorite dolphins fans, which I can't say I have a lot of them obviously, but if there's at the top of the top, it's you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't be more thrilled than to be joining you guys again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we're both coming at each other own one this weekend, but we're going to talk all about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so let's begin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to first get this out the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the latest news on injuries for the Patriots as we had to week two this Sunday Matt AFC east matchup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me personally, I know the biggest one that I'm keeping an eye out for the Patriots alone is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian Gonzalez as always he is arguably the best player on the New England Patriots at this point and he missed week one with that hamstring injury That's been bothering him throughout the preseason going into now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be officially ruled out today in active again with that hamstring injury
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[SPEAKER_00]: not a great look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one that caught me by surprise was Keyon White who kind of started off really strong last year and kind of fell off towards the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping for bigger things from him this year where he kind of looked like he slid down the depth chart a little bit and now he's ruled out as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few other guys that are poking around on the questionable list at this point, but really the two big ones are obviously Christian Gonzalez and Keyon White who is a big part of that defensive line unit we got there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, certainly does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say I was going to add key on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He started off like super, had a super strong beginning of last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully, I don't know, I'm hoping it was weird to see him not be with the starters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he is huge athletic versatile, not bendy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, I'm just hoping variable
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can can turn that promise into something this season just not this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a big thing I think I'd notice obviously with the change and defensive schemes it could be personnel decisions with that But at the same time you never knew no new coaching and then he was very outspoken about the coaching What happened last year that could play a little bit into it, too, so
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, illness quotations like he survived all the other bill cuts, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, we'll see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, he has the talent and I kind of actually liked him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's another dish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have too many past wrestlers, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll have a good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have a good rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go back a little bit and kind of focus on week one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In your mind, what are the positives and negatives that you've seen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: going against the Raiders and what you what you can expect looking for for this match up with we too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the biggest thing for me that I'll take right now is that I'm looking for more consistency across the board from the offensive side of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a tenured guy with Joshua Daniels who's been with the organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty much two decades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's at pit stops in other places and whatnot, but like he has the pedigree and he's worked with guys like Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked with the professionals where he needs to get Drake May, you know, situated where he's actually staying in the pocket, making the passes he needs to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got talent around him, which
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[SPEAKER_00]: arguably nobody's going to say that he had talent around him last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got digs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got Henry who looks good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got guys, Travegan Henderson who's supposed to be this amazing running back coming out of the state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it from the first play that Henderson touched the football in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took the thing 100 yards to the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to see consistency where we saw it on really just one drive last week, I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the wheels kind of fell off the rest of the game, going against the Raiders where
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[SPEAKER_00]: we need to see them actually capitalize on, you know, mistakes from the other team and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, really quickly just for the defensive side that I'll say, again, they have to make plays when they need to make plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a big thing was they had chances to get back in that game against the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I they'd let up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like four or five plays of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thornton at near the end, I believe this was his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That Davis just led up a 30 yard with his starting 20 and it just ice the game and it's like you have a rookie or a one-year player going against a guy who won a Super Bowl and you expect the Super Bowl winner to win that matchup and it's just that was a backbreaker and it's like a lot of people in New England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to speak for Jen or obviously but like I was sitting there going, oh my god are we still in last year is that's what's happening right now but I really hope that's not the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I don't want to be that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Miami Dolphins look like they're right for the pick and to try and get the ship right it on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want to say that until it actually happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, you know, it's going to be a good time for everyone to kind of will both teams to kind of get right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's going to be a really good competition better outing for both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to do one of the specifically focused on May.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What have you seen so far, do you feel like you can see progression in this offense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you run, did I know you said they kind of struggled a little bit the first game, but I saw a lot of good passes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lot of open routes for the receiver, so that's a lot of good things, something that
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[SPEAKER_01]: our team kind of struggle with our cornerbacks because you know that's been our weakness throughout training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is your evaluation on Drake made this new offense and do you expect growth from this point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so my dog just bit me, but I was like, oh, it looks like I'm going to speak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, go for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, I wasn't as upset as like everyone else was about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the second half wasn't as good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Drake is going to like, I'm okay with with his any time interception for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to kill you for that if they're
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[SPEAKER_02]: be able to make something happen behind, which is an improved offensive line, but which was amongst the worst, even worse in Miami's last season with zero weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he showed life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I found the first half it really wasn't that bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were some really good throws, I thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: him and Hunter Henry clearly have chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Him and booty clearly have chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pop didn't pop the way that they have been, you know, either last year or autumn camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I expect that to write itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely like to see Travey on a way more involved in his office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remandray the fumble god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't need to see that as much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've loved him always have, but I want to see a more explosive offense, and I think he needs Josh's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: how conservative he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there are pluses and minuses to that for developing Drake and his mechanics and not gonna aim to bad habits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you now have some talent there that you can work with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be afraid to freakin' use it, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I heard a lot of people like, oh, patrons have got children at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Their defense looked okay, not great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Big plays that were given up opportunities left as you said, Hogan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not as down on the offensive performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it wasn't great, but the first half showed me some things for a kid who just turned 23 like a week ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not expect the Drake maybe see in the 2025 season to be the like final incarnation of what it is Patriots fans hope that he could potentially be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just you want to see some steps forward, some progression.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be a total Debbie Downer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a horrible day for Miami fans on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not a great day for living in fans either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wasn't as down on it as a lot of people were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big thing is a lot of people in New England always forget, you know, past 20 years with Brady with everything was like, the sky's falling whenever we lose a game and it's just, I think with the recent history obviously and the expectations going into this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I looked at it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be, I'll be straight up with you guys with variable taking over the personal changes that they made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I look at this team as saying, you know, I would be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with eight, possibly nine wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I was, I mean, I haven't, if they could, if they could double what four wins they've had four wins last year and the year before, if they could double that, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they a playoff team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even need them to make a playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to see progression going forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you talked about was Drake May was that progression where I did see that on last Sunday compared to last year where he was running for his life constantly last year because of that offensive line that you brought up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the worst in the league as far as I'm concerned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't see as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say almost like anxiety from him in this last last game where he could stand in the pocket a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could do what he needed to do, but it wasn't up to par with what we need to see in order for them to win games because I think at the end of the day, I look at that as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Raiders are an interesting team, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are anybody sitting there betting on the Raiders and when the Super Bowl probably not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are they, could they make the playoffs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they got P Carroll, they got Gino Smith, they have the pedigree that has done it before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can't take on a team like the Raiders, how are you going to do against an Eagles team, a Chiefs team, Buffalo team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones that you have to sit there and go, okay, is this team built to win over the Long Hall or are we still really rebuilding from the scraps
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how are you going to be Miami who struggled with, you know, since, you know, two has been here, and even when Brady was here, like it was his hardest team, you know, like he had his worst winning percentage against Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just always historically been a struggle, and even before that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So going down there at the beginning of the season, always hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is especially, you know, you're learning a new offense and usually the first four or five weeks still is the struggle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know your identity of your team, what you're trying to do, what you're trying to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get to especially for us, you know, I don't know what our identity is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we can be a balance with the emphasis of run first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of identity, your defense seems like it went a little bit young, fast, more physical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you give me a little bit of evaluation on them and how they kind of looked in your mind?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the strengths there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the weaknesses to look out for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me personally, I thought the biggest thing was last year was just a dumpster fire all around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know that the train wreck that was the defense last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going into this season, you know, that weren't a ton of guys retained from last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we spoke about one with Keon White where like Jen mentioned he went from a really good start to last year to not even being a starter this year with how he fell off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean arguably Christian Gonzalez is the best one of the best corners in the league currently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen him on the field yet which is a real bummer because I was hoping between him and Carlton Davis who was a big signing there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody was excited about our second dairy was really supposed to be that lock down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're not going to let up big throws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to shut down guys like Tyreken, Waddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we were going to take care of those kind of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw the success that Jacobi Myers, Brock Bowers, had last week with the Raiders against us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think our safeties are a big question now, because we got a rookie out there, Craig Woodson, who's our free safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is only the second game in the league, you know, that's so that's definitely something that you can look out for on Sunday with Tua trying to take advantage of any deep throws there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go after the secondary, especially with Gonzalez out, he played great against
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[SPEAKER_00]: But going off of the other part of what you're question there with the whole defense entirely, the strength of it has to be the D line at this point because you spent the money on Milton Williams, who won the Super Bowl for the Eagles doing what he did against the Chiefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen Bitsa that where he's done great bull rushing and getting after the the the pastor and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he looked good in preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked good last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he rated, I think, one of the highest on the D line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't see the impact because you didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Williams can continue to improve along with Barmore, they should be locked down, nose tackles, detackles, just mulling inside there, taking care of business, and then continuing with Harold Landrieg, the third.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He coming over from Tennessee, he looked like a re-rejuvenated guy getting out for the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he had two sacks, but not mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he had two, right, two and a half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which one was that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, didn't Kian have that in the first game of last year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, against the bangles, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So don't put that jujuan as I don't want to know that he's a vet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a vet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a big thing is our D line at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess has to be that focus to disrupt things and get after the quarterback to make him uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say it, but our linebacker crew kind of looks like the weakest part, which a lot of people are arguing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be one of the strongest one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where we have Robert Splane who's voted captain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been around the lead for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great fast guy, but the line back in crew got picked on a little bit last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking to see if they're going to write that ship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, were you talked about the run game with HN?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not exactly an easy guy to bring down with how fast and what he can do on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I still wonder how it's going to look because we are whole right side of that offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been it's now injured so we have a guy at right guard who's to me not a guard he's a tackle he's a swing tackle but they they seem to love him there okay cool and then you have a Larry Borham at right tackle who I don't trust personally
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[SPEAKER_01]: But have shown some some form of consistency and preseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just interested to see what that looks like, especially he's going against Landry, who had a really good season opener, like you mentioned two and a half sets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be something to look out for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bombers or the guy that I'm really like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see how he challenges not only Keyon Smith, which is our right guard, but our rookie Jonas Savai Naya, who I personally love, but you know, he's a rookie, so you know, they're gonna test them a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be, it's gonna be a nice, an interesting battle on the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jen, I don't know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is the weakness or the strengths of the Patriots defense?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, Gonzo and the line and it should have been the, you know, the corner back duo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they didn't dress it more because.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don Zo, I don't want to put this out there either, but it worries me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you probably already know what I'm thinking, but I'm not going to say it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And same thing with Carl Davis, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that there wasn't like another plant, it was very grier like or something to be super top heavy and then not have any sort of, you know, just, and I don't mean like, just not have a plant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying they don't have a plant at all, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Things are likely to happen and to have somebody out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go and get rid of who was one of my, now I'll top two players on the Jibrio peppers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I freaking loved him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd absolutely hit stick, just a monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand going younger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand getting rid of Bill guys, I guess, but I did not understand getting rid of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't, I don't understand how you did it after the 53.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even get a pixel out form.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got nothing for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not understand it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still wanna know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, actually, I was going to say going off of that, too, is you look at a guy like Kyle Dugger that they paid a bunch of money to last season, who's on the, he said on the bench right now, he's not starting, like I mentioned, you got Craig Watson of rookie free, free safety playing there where you have Dugger who has experience, and Dugger me wrong, I've never been a huge Dugger fan, but you're paying the guy the money you're paying him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to sit and watch a rookie struggle and do what he's doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's there are some question marks across the board where it's like you got to wonder are they trying to get the experience now to build up four later where again I never want to put this out there that coaches or players or teams kind of just throw in the towel before the season started but it's more or less like hey is this an experience here is this a year where we get guys built up to where they need to
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that's a that's a big part of it is, you know, you look at like I look at the dolphins back when and two is rookie year right like where they bounce back and forth with him and Ryan Fitzpatrick where it was he wasn't the bonnified starter every single week because they need his him to get that experience, but you knew over time he was going to be that guy where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are we going to see that from the Patriots at this point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because you've got got veterans that are sitting on the bench not doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got rookies that are playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not succeeding yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm pulling this out of proportion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had one week of the variable 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could be way off based, but you never know what could happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just piss me off and I thought I was really weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you were going to go that route, if you wanted to go younger, faster, more zone, whatever, like, if you wanted to do that, why didn't you get, like, you could get, could have gotten something for, or can you figure out rappers?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They grew, like it was well known that they shopped Dougher, and other people said they weren't shopping him and just then he was gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it didn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I personally wanted him to end up in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like exactly what we needed in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Literally, like off that presence, like smarty shit, he earned his way into a starting role, various starting roles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Over other starters,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like, with Bill, from Bill, like, you know, and bowl all sea to roll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, you could use that even if it's just for the brain power and, you know, just the up, up presence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then let me ask you this then, because you talked about, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Benching Vets, Jan, you spoke about the youth movement as we're trying to do here in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the measuring state?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you do feel like this is something that they're just trying to get the experience for the young guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel this is a must win personally, because it is an AFC East division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is the goal for this season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm being honest with myself as a as a patriots fan and and really looking at the team, you're not going to, you're not going to blow everybody out the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be, you're not going to win 10 plus games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to be on a Super Bowl run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not doing any of that where we're being realistic about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to get better week over week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if the plan is to get the young guys the experience for later on, if there's no
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's as much as we're doing away from the bill system, like Jen's talking about, where we're almost doing the bill system, where the extension of the preseason was always the first four weeks of the season for the Patriots, where how many times did we see the Patriots start slow, where that the year they were two and two and they got their socks blown off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: by the Kansas City Chiefs and remember the infamous Trent Delfer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Patrius Dynasties dead, wrap it up and what they do, they go on, they win the Super Bowl that year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in no way shape or form am I comparing that 2014 season to this one, obviously not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is variable was very much a part of those old systems and you think about even his Tennessee tenure when he was with Tennessee and what those teams did, nobody sat there and said, hey, Tennessee is going to make a deep run this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make the AFC championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to knock up Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to give home homes a run for his money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody said that, but his teams got better as the season went on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the biggest thing that I'm looking at is last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots kind of shocked everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Cincinnati Week 1 who were Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows what kind of team that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just holy crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots might not be as bad as everybody thought they were going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they got their, you know, they got pants the rest of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they progressively got worse, which we talked about with the last time I was on here where, you know, the Dolphins struggle last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously the Patriots were just a dumpster fire by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hence Mayo getting fired immediately as the season ended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this year we need to see the progression, not the regression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the biggest thing is as I do I look at Miami as a must win week two probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what I love to see it as in terms of like an AFC standing and get that win and feel good about yourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to matter until I see them winning against divisional opponents in week 14, 15, 16, when it actually matters when they need to get better going into what you hope is a playoff run or at least building into the next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I always try and break that down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about you, Jen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this is a must win for the for the Patriots or do you kind of fall in mind with what Holden was mentioning kind of just progression for each week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, get into that eight, eight, nine, ten win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Made people play off when because you never know you're not for real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: with continuity, progression, you know, I think Ray Bro is a guy that can get a team competitive and surprise and get some some really tough teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's a must win?
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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, and I'm gonna say, I have my own personal reasons for who I want to win this this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna keep them to myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I will say is that I'm not gonna like, either way, I'm gonna come out like, it's like one week when I can ever lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I get two games a year that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a preference sometimes?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a preference this time for sure though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think it's a perfect opportunity for the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No one expects anything of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got this two a monkey on their back that they have never
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when we saw the schedule, we're like, you just immediately chalked that up as an L for New England in Miami Week 2 and then you come off of last week and the Miami's in absolute shambles right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was putrid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a million times worse than the Patriot showing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was really bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just saying maybe there's a shop, you know, maybe maybe maybe the Patriots can do it like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But probably for exactly that reason, it won't happen either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not getting any hopes up one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, it's weak too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to be disappointed either way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be happy one way or another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody's going to like be better than I expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when it's not,
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[SPEAKER_02]: New England Week, I'm always rooting for Miami, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that makes the rest of my season more fun to see Miami not be a condomster fire like they were last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's New England, hey, I could celebrate that too because A, that's my OG team, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from mass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will always love them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, you know, it just, it gets rid of this past few years of, let's just like they can't get over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it clear, heart, whatever, clear eyes, fucking pure heart, something can't lose, that's me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jen, you spoke in a little
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think two is eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was two is never lost to the pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was eight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the Patriots have won during this time that he's been here, but he's been hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The end of 2022 years day, the Patriots won Teddy got hurt and one point of whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So at some point that should have to end anyway, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can end later on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we play what week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't really matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had them splitting this year because I was giving them a. I didn't know it was going to happen week one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: be I was handing it to Miami, not even a doubt in my mind, we too, in Miami, but I was like, this time I'm betting on the what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what, it's not gonna be another warm 60 to grit, 60 degree January first day, like it wasn't 2022 up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be January, whatever, one in 13, under 50 degrees, yes, I'm taking New England.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how to get your who's quarterback like I'm dating New England.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel that I feel that but so I thought we'd split but let's see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We the way I'll come out all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not everybody off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm really hoping we we turned it around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind the week 18 where maybe we're in a playoff spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to rest our guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, speak to existence, but yeah, hope and thank you again for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one final question for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in regards to the prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you feel is the final prediction?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your expected stand out on in this game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what does no England need to do to win?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're putting me on the spot with a whole lot of barn burners right there, but I'll do my best to satisfy you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess for the big one that I really need for me personally, I think I want him to stand out just, you know, will he stand out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's trading on Henderson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see this kid unleashed already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we saw him in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they tried to give him the ball a whole bunch against the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get him on the kickoff returns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get him out there first and second downs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have him be a third down back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have him be a Kevin folk, a James White, get him the ball as much as you possibly can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kid is a stud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, people were shocked when they felt he fell to the Patriies in the second round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people were saying that he could easily go in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what he did for Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a huge Texas Longborn fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw what he did to my team and the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so excited that they got him in the pro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kid is a stud get him the football on top of the two would be nice to see digs get more of a repertoire with Drake made there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to throw that out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people keep forgetting that stuff on digs is actually on the Patriots almost myself sometimes we didn't even mention them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have a chance to click and she yeah towards the end of the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like heating up like right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He started sort of certain show himself and put trivia on out there anyway, because he's green pass protection like why is he out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, like you you with the nail in the head with fumbling Stevenson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be traded That's a I could go off for another hour about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys But I guess if I have a prediction for this game
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think it's going to be a little bit better for both teams offensively because again, I think even though Miami struggled against the colds, and like you said, it was dumpster fire, everything like that, if there's a defense that you can sort of pick on right now, it is the Patriots with the absence of Ganzo because you have the talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in Miami to do that with Tyreak with Jalen Waddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if there's a Darren Waller is going to be, no, he's out for the game, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say, okay, I was going to say, you guys at Junior Smith that did, you know, crazy for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Waddle again picked up, I was like, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's even still with HM with Hill with Waddle, you guys have a still a formidable offensive like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: crew down there that could easily pick apart a defense that's not ready for that kind of speed with that kind of talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a big part of it is I need to see the defense try and do their best to lock that down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get after two would make them uncomfortable, but I still see a most of low scoring game kind of where I think it's going to be, if I had gone to my head, I got to give the Patriots a little credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to score about 20, 21 points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miami, I could see them
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[SPEAKER_00]: 16 17 points on that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I do get the Patriots and edges because it's it's I know it's my Emmys the curse land where we can't win It's too and everything like that, but I have to be the optimistic one this time I we're not going we're not going for them one overall pick like we were talking last time at everything Where I was like hey, I'm on Miami fan this weekend Let's go give us that number one pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to hope for the best and hope my boys get it done
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[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't even get that right, we couldn't, we couldn't, and that's my good fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this, that's very fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to give a prediction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be a three point game either way like, and I don't know who's going to win to be honest, like I think it's going to be a close game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think both of our offenses will have a better showing than last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going nuts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The vibes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think are going to favor Miami down there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just a different team at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the vibes are off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's be serious, the vibes are off, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it is not the same, it is just not the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a timing and based offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they haven't really played together, you know, even all preseason and stuff, it doesn't vote well for them, but it is the home opener.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're completely different team there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I don't think it's gonna be the same showing as last week, but it is super concerning at the entire right hand side of the offensive line, which is to his blind side is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: just picking up this week and trying to piece it together and Landry likes to play on that site.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think let's this shit out of Tua.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like get let aging gas like gas you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let them take their chances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like but like our secondary right now is
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, New England seconder right now is, you know, we've seen just one play, just all of those waddle, those, those two would waddle every single time at Hard Rock, just whenever they need it, just, or hinted Tyreak obviously, but it just happens there, it's like magic, it's fun, it's cool, it's fun, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would just say if I were in the Patriots, I would also test Miami's secondary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would have jam run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Miami is never good with mobile quarterbacks, just like New England isn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, got that going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're hoping the front seven can really, especially with Willie Gay, not wasn't involved at all last.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, you know, according to Weber, he was mentioning that, you know, the game got out of hand and he there were expecting that play him, but Man, just, you know, things didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just, you know, he's a, I think he's a situational player where, you know, you want to kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: run like ad extra icing to the cake, another sack, some type of impact quay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Willie Gay is that it just, it wasn't in warrant for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would never happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it was just weird when we saw the snap counts like that was I far the stand out on defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: during creases and where the heck was he.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so hopefully we'll see him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he can be that spy for the for the for the picture's quarterback and we can get this stuff man hogan appreciate you once again.
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