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00:00:05.280I'm Richard Pyatt.
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00:00:24.719Typically, we find, I would say, that there is a lot of interest about what goes on road construction-wise in our county, especially in the months where it's uh ripe for the picking.
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00:00:32.079Anyway, the warm weather months, of course, are when our road crews get to work in earnest.
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00:00:38.399Christine Parsons oversees the road department in Calhoun County, and she's back to talk to us about 2026.
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00:00:39.439Hi, Christine.
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00:00:40.880Hi there, Richard.
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00:00:43.920Okay, so it's springtime.
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00:00:47.520That means what comes first on your agenda?
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00:00:51.920We are just finishing up winter maintenance.
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00:00:54.240We are working towards construction season.
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00:01:07.599So it's sort of that, you know, important in-between season where we are buttoning up all those winter maintenance items and all of the things that we did from November to March, and now working our way towards construction season.
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00:01:17.120Yeah, I I think there was a little snow pushing going on in those months to which you refer, right?
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00:01:23.680Man, it was a busier winter than we've had for a few, wasn't it?
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00:01:28.959I would say it's probably, gosh, given the last decade, probably one of the heavier winters we've had in 10 years.
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00:01:32.560So what did that mean for you?
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00:01:40.319We used more assault, we pushed more snow, probably had a repair or two to a truck or two that uh maybe popped up.
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00:01:42.079You know, this is what comes to my mind.
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00:01:45.439What what happened uh over the last few months that was challenging?
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00:01:46.959Oh gosh.
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00:01:53.120You know, there's a lot of different things that that are involved with making sure that we're able to respond to winter maintenance appropriately.
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00:01:59.120The number one thing, as you mentioned, is making sure our fleet is operational and we have a really uh excellent fleet.
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00:02:05.120We have a lot of newer vehicles, but still, nonetheless, winter maintenance is hard on trucks, on people.
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00:02:14.800So uh making sure that those trucks are going out the door with all of their issues fixed and that anything that does happen has been proven that it will happen.
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00:02:17.759But there's always a number of things that happen out there day to day.
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00:02:22.560Winter maintenance is hard on vehicles with all the salt, with all of the beet juice, with the cold temperatures.
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00:02:26.000It's difficult, particularly for like hydraulics and electrical systems.
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00:02:41.039So making sure those are working properly, um, making sure that our mechanics are in there and getting those fixed and our drivers are communicating, you know, what has gone wrong with their vehicles, whether it was incidental or you know, just completely out of, you know, the blue.
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00:02:53.599But um making sure that the fleet's running properly and our drivers as well are part of our, you know, important key efforts to make sure that we get the snow off the road, that they're here, that they're healthy, that you know, they have the appropriate amount of rest.
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00:03:03.039We had a period where uh we had 31 days in a row of winter maintenance response, which is, you know, a much larger number than it has been for several years.
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00:03:10.960So our drivers are very thankful that it is no longer winter, that we are moving into spring, and hopefully that means no more snow response.
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00:03:17.439And so, as a part of that, with all of the salt cleanup, with all of the trucks, our trucks have to be de-winterized.
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00:03:24.879So we take off some of the salters and the other pieces of equipment that are specific to winter maintenance, and we get them ready for construction season.
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00:03:34.879So we're not quite to that point yet, but we are thinking about the timeline for when that will happen so that we can get ready for the construction season prep work that happens next.
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00:03:39.039Yeah, an interesting point and one maybe folks hadn't thought of.
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00:03:44.479These are the same trucks, folks, that are working in the winter that then work in the construction season.
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00:03:48.800They just get modified a bit in order to accommodate whatever that job is.
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00:03:53.919There's not a separate set of trucks for both uh periods of the year, right?
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00:03:55.759No, no, they're the same trucks.
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00:04:01.120They just have different pieces of equipment that come out of them after the winter, and those get cleaned up and put away and organized.
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00:04:10.719And then so we have a winterization and a dewinterization period as we go into each season getting those trucks ready, you know, for whatever it is that we're going to be using them for.
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00:04:12.159All right.
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00:04:17.199And I'm lingering on the notion of 31 days of winter maintenance.
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00:04:18.160Think about that, folks.
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00:04:28.319If you strung them together in a consistent stretch, that's a whole month of nonstop winter maintenance work that was going on in Calhoun County.
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00:04:37.040And you um uh you were uh very modest, I suppose, on behalf of your drivers in talking about making sure they have rest in their well and all that.
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00:04:44.800But can you imagine this is a significant effort, is it not, to uh make sure that you have coverage and that people are doing okay.
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00:04:59.040Yes, it's it's that's a big part of what we have to think about here, making sure that we have all of our routes covered, that we are responding in the time frame that is both safe and effective, and also that people expect, because there are differing levels of service depending on the type of road.
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00:05:06.639You know, of course, you want to make sure those state highways get hit quickly as well as the high volume primary roads, but people also need to be able to get in and out of their subdivisions.
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00:05:13.439So it is a balance to make sure that we are hitting those roads quickly and effectively, that we have the drivers to do so.
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00:05:20.000A lot of times when you have winter maintenance events, you have drivers coming in early, possibly staying late.
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00:05:25.759You want to make sure they get enough rest at night.
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00:05:33.040And it's hard on a driver to be in even a brand new truck all day long if you're in a truck driving, plowing snow for 12 hours.
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00:05:34.959It's not just sitting there holding the wheel.
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00:05:41.519You've got to be operating the belly blade, you've got to be operating the wing plow, you've got to be making sure that you're having the salts at the appropriate levels.
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00:05:42.879So there's a lot that goes into it.
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00:05:45.519And our drivers are very skilled individuals.
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00:06:04.399Well, hats off to them, especially with uh the kind of winter that we had, as you heard Christine say, uh, a more significant win winter, perhaps uh as much as so over the last 10 years.
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00:06:05.279All right.
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00:06:07.680So, of course, what happens when everything melts?
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00:06:09.360We find potholes.
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00:06:13.759Patching.
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00:06:18.000Yes, potholes are we're in what we would call pothole season right now.
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00:06:26.000So the hard part is when the snow starts to melt, it gets down into the road bed, and then it'll freeze back up at night, it'll bust off the road surface.
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00:06:45.600And unfortunately, until the asphalt plants open consistently and are producing hot mix asphalt, which is, you know, hot as the name indicates, and it stays in the holes better, provides a better solution than cold mix, which can be used in colder temperatures, but it's not a good permanent long-term solution.
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00:06:48.079That's all we have available in the winter is cold mix.
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00:06:56.240So trying to fill holes right now before the asphalt plants open back up in about three weeks is tricky because it is a short-term solution at the moment.
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00:06:59.120So we also have our spray patchers that can help us with that.
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00:07:00.639They're all temperature dependent.
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00:07:06.879And as we're starting to see the warmer temperatures, though, that helps us be able to put more permanent solutions in place.
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00:07:24.240Once the plants open back up full time to produce the hot mixed asphalt, we'll be going really uh hardcore with our contractor patching program, which is where we bring in outside teams of pothole patchers to come in and help consolidate with our forces to really knock out those potholes as fast as possible.
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00:07:38.480And even with, you know, 16 external crews and as many as our crews as we can have going, it'll still take every bit of probably two and a half months to get from the start of patching all the potholes to the completion, just because there are so many.
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00:07:48.560And a lot of that is a function of road funding in Michigan and the availability of that funding to be everywhere you need it to be to fix all those roads back up into new shape.
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00:07:51.439And the more we can fix roads, the less potholes you'll see.
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00:07:56.480But even as you fix them, making sure that we are able to keep them maintained so those potholes don't come back.
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00:07:58.319So it really is a balancing act.
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00:08:09.519Yeah, and and you have to, I suppose, create a game plan, don't you, about uh which roads you're gonna get to first and how long it's gonna take to do that and move on to the next and which teams will do that.
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00:08:12.399Uh, hence you see why it takes the amount of time it takes.
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00:08:17.120Yes, we do have an order that we go and we try to do two townships at a time.
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00:08:24.480We start in the areas that have the highest number of potholes in concentration so we can keep our crews close together.
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00:08:30.079We have a mobile work site with 50 tons of asphalt that are the contractors can go and pick up asphalt from.
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00:08:42.960And it instead of traveling all the way back to the plant across the county, they're able just to go to our mobile worksite, get the asphalt, get patching right there in those same townships and get back and make multiple loads per day to be able to get that put down.
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00:08:48.879And then as we start to move further out the county, we are able to address all the potholes that are a little further away.
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00:08:54.960And that the mobile worksite moves to accommodate the contractor patching operation throughout the months that we're doing that.
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00:08:56.480Yeah, there you go, folks.
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00:08:58.960It's a logistical consideration also.
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00:09:03.919All of those pieces have to be working in uh concert with one another.
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00:09:09.279Okay, so you fill those potholes and then move on.
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00:09:16.399What's the expectation about how soon you might have to be back uh filling those holes again?
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00:09:18.559Do they come apart sooner?
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00:09:23.200I mean, think about the cars constantly pounding on that filler.
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00:09:26.240Uh, are you happy with uh the technology these days?
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00:09:27.440Does it last long enough?
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00:09:28.799What's the purview on it?
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00:09:29.600Oh gosh.
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00:09:30.879I mean, it really depends.
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00:09:43.919There's no one good answer to that question because depending on subsurface conditions, depending on the amount of traffic volume, you'll see places where we'll patch potholes and it doesn't get a whole lot of cars or trucks and it'll stay for a couple years.
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00:09:56.879And then you'll see places where it gets a lot of traffic or there's a higher number of trucks than normal and or there's a lot of clay under the roadbed, and that clay may shift and move, and that will cause a pothole to open back up sooner rather than later.
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00:10:07.120But typically I would expect if we patch potholes with our contractor patching program using hotniks, that you should not see those open back up before the fall when you start to get the freeze thaw cycles again.
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00:10:11.840Ideally, they'll stay patched for a year to two years, just depending on conditions.
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00:10:14.080It can open up sooner, it could last longer.
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00:10:21.120So it really, there's not like a set answer to say it's definitely gonna last this long because there's a lot of variability on what that might mean.
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00:10:21.840All right.
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00:10:26.000Well, uh, would we hope it would be longer than shorter, but uh you get the point.
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00:10:29.200Lots of different factors that could uh make the difference.
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00:10:29.679All right.
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00:10:42.559What kind of a season is this as you look ahead for trying to uh what's that expression, make hay while the sun shines and get the roads, the the big road projects done over the course of the available months we have in Michigan to do that.
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00:10:45.360Is this going to be a heavy season, a moderate season?
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00:10:46.240What's your view?
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00:10:47.919Oh, I think it's pretty heavy season.
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00:10:51.200We're really excited about all the road work that we have planned for this summer.
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00:11:01.840So, in addition to our traditional federal aid program, which is the money that we get from the federal government through our state partners to do our sort of larger scale projects.
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00:11:13.279We have our local work, and then that's being done in concert with the townships to make sure that their local works get addressed, and then also primary road projects and some bridge projects.
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00:11:14.639So we have a lot going on this summer.
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00:11:16.240We anticipate being very busy.
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00:11:21.519We are replacing, completely replacing two bridges in Homer slash Albion Townships.
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00:11:27.440One of them is on the border, so L Drive South and 25 and a half mile road over the south branch of the Kalamazoo River.
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00:11:29.120Both of those will be replaced this summer.
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00:11:37.440So while inconvenient for folks, what that means is these structures will not have to be closed when they deteriorate past the point of their usable life.
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00:11:38.399So we're really excited.
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00:11:45.440That's a lot of competitive funding that we were able to win for the county in a very competitive environment in bridge funding.
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00:11:49.759There's a very minimal bridge funding compared to the amount of bridges that need repairs.
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00:11:55.519So$6 million plus dollars to replace those two bridges down in Homer and Albion.
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00:11:57.120So we're excited about that.
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00:12:00.960We are doing a large amount of local road work as well.
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00:12:05.440We have partnered with the townships to do over$6 million of local roadwork.
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00:12:07.360So there's a lot of chip seal.
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00:12:11.840There are some asphalt overlay projects, some mill and resurfacing projects.
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00:12:17.440And we have record participation from those townships to be able to address their local roads.
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00:12:40.159We are turning some roads back to gravel in partnership with townships to address sort of the right sizing of our network to make sure that maybe roads who are very low volume or who are in poor condition just from construction over time or, you know, with the way they were built, or just perhaps, you know, the amount of time it's been since anything was done to them construction-wise, those are being turned back to gravel.
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00:12:45.039And then we're also adding new gravel to some projects, particularly in Burlington and Athens Township.
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00:12:46.799So we're really excited about that.
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00:12:53.919And then we're also moving forward with our primary road program to be able to address primary roads are typically our higher volume facilities.
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00:13:01.840So addressing those higher volume roads outside of our federal aid program, those typically are where we get our big impact high-volume projects.
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00:13:06.960This year, we're doing our project on Michigan Ave in Morengo and Sheridan Townships.
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00:13:10.399And that is from 22 and a half mile to 25 and a half mile road.
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00:13:19.120And then we are also doing a portion of Six Mile Road in Newton and Leroy Townships up to the Emmet Township line.
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00:13:20.879And that's just the federal aid project.
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00:13:33.600We also have a local project that we're really excited about that we are working with Leroy and Newton Townships on from B Drive South down to south of Boyd Drive to be able to repair that really deteriorated section of Six Mile Road.
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00:13:36.639So we're really excited about that one, given that that's a vocal project.
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00:13:40.799And a local project with shared partners is a little bit of a rare bird.
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00:13:45.200So we're really excited to be able to have both townships work together and really improve that road.
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00:13:46.960So it's going to be really nice once it gets done.
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00:13:48.960We're excited to see that one move forward.
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00:13:49.840Well, you're right.
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00:13:51.519That does sound like quite a list.
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00:13:53.840I want to go back to something you said about bridges.
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00:13:56.399You said that it's a competitive process.
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00:14:03.120By that you mean there's a finite amount of money in the state and the counties are competing for it.
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00:14:03.919Is that right?
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00:14:04.480Yes.
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00:14:05.840Not just the counties, though.
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00:14:08.399So we are in what's considered the Southwest region.
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00:14:14.399So MDOT has the local agency bridge program that we submit for every year.
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00:14:17.600You're allowed to submit now, you're allowed to submit for three bridges.
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00:14:26.159So you submit your projects within your region, and then there's a council, a regional bridge council that decides like how many points your bridge should get if it should be awarded.
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00:14:29.679So we compete against not just other counties in our region, which includes St.
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00:14:34.960Joe and Kalamazoo and Barion, but we also compete against cities and villages as well.
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00:14:37.840So it's not just seven other counties or six other counties.
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00:14:46.240There's the village of Augusta or the city of Kalamazoo, and there's$50 million typically statewide, not just in our region.
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00:14:49.840I would say the average bridge costs about$2 million to replace.
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00:14:55.440We have 88 bridges, not all in bad shape, but you know, we have at least nine that are critical right now.
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00:15:03.519So there's a very limited pot of funding for a very large amount of work that needs to be done, not just for us, but statewide in Michigan.
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00:15:11.600And I'm sure it's more, it's a nationwide issue as well, because you're seeing a lot of bridges starting to reach the end of their useful service life, which is about 50 to 75 years.
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00:15:13.279That's still a long time.
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00:15:13.759Yes.
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00:15:23.039If you imagine all the weight that goes over them and the beating they take, uh 50 to 75 years is uh is pretty good, it seems.
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00:15:25.120But uh you illustrate the picture.
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00:15:32.399There's a finite amount of money in all these bridges that are aging at about the same time, or at least in Calhoun County, you said 88.
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00:15:38.960They're all in various levels of of uh maintenance need, I suppose.
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00:15:46.879Yes, we have some that are brand new just replaced last year, and some that really need some work more immediately than others.
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00:15:52.399So do you think we'll end up closing some of those before we get money to replace them?
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00:15:53.279I hope not.
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00:15:54.320Yeah, that's right.
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00:15:55.120We sure hope not.
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00:15:56.960That's kind of my worst case scenario.
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00:15:57.840Right.
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00:16:00.720You also talked about turning roads back into gravel.
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00:16:03.519That's kind of a worst case deal too, isn't it?
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00:16:05.039No, no, actually.
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00:16:16.080I think that that the way that I like to look at that is there are some roads that um, you know, perhaps many years ago, the idea is always that asphalt is better.
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00:16:29.679And I would not argue that asphalt is a bad solution, but in some places, perhaps, with the cost of construction, with the cost of asphalt, to be able to maintain a hard surface road is much more difficult than to be able to maintain a gravel road.
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00:16:34.320So if I've got a uh a pothole in a gravel road, I can just run out there with a grater, touch it up, it looks good.
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00:16:44.879You know, I can go out there as needed, touch it up, uh, may need to add some truckloads of gravel here and again periodically, but fairly low maintenance, easy to keep in decent shape with a paved road.
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00:16:50.960Once it starts to get potholes and the base starts to get exposed, if it gets severe enough, I have to crush it back to gravel and repave it.
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00:16:55.120And that's upwards of you know,$500,000 to$600,000 a mile to do something like that.
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00:16:57.279So with the cost differential very high.
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00:17:12.559And on some of these lower volume rural facilities that maybe you're only seeing, you know, 15 to 20 cars per day, and maybe a gravel road that can be maintained nicely is a much better solution than perhaps a paved road that cannot be maintained without substantial investment.
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00:17:15.759Because a lot of these are local roads from both townships and residents.
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00:17:24.799So what we want to try to do is find that balance where you have the right size of your system in terms of the mileage of gravel roads versus the mileage of hard surface roads.
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00:17:35.839So I think it can be a real advantage for some folks, even if the idea is always asphalt is better, but is it better if it cannot be fixed in the long term if it's not an affordable solution?
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00:17:37.839That that's kind of what I would pose.
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00:17:39.839Well, point well taken.
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00:17:40.880And there you are.
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00:17:47.279It goes to show you sometimes our perceptions of of what is true uh may not be entirely accurate.
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00:17:48.079There you are.
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00:17:50.079My thought was, uh, nobody wants gravel.
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00:17:50.960Maybe we do.
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00:17:59.599And your illustration about the uh notion it's a lot easier to deal with some of the grading issues or the uh the potholes on a gravel road.
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00:18:00.480I hear your point.
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00:18:01.519You have control over that.
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00:18:05.519You don't have to wait for a for a hot mix plant to open, that sort of thing.
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00:18:05.920Yeah.
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00:18:06.400Okay.
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00:18:14.480So you listed a number of things that are going to happen this year, and folks uh might be listening, their heads spinning a little bit.
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00:18:16.319They can keep track of this.
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00:18:20.240There's a construction map as part of the road department website, right?
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00:18:31.440Yes, we have on our mapping website within the road department's website, we have a construction projects map that shows the different projects and where they're taking place, township by township.
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00:18:43.440And of course, if they have any questions, they're welcome to send us an email at rdinfo at calhouncountymi.gov, or they can give us a call at 269-781-9841.
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00:18:51.599All right, 781-9841 or RDINF at Calhoun CountyMI.gov.
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00:18:55.680If you want to send an email, ask questions, and take a look at that map.
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00:19:00.079We'll link it in the show notes for this episode as well, so you can click through and have a look.
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00:19:02.240Those things are really useful.
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00:19:09.599And I should mention MDOT has a similar map too, you can look at for the bigger road projects and uh recommend that one too.
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00:19:15.440Uh, but when it's at your fingertips, you can check that anytime before you're going out and know exactly what's happening.
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00:19:19.759Or if you happen upon a project, how long is this gonna go on?
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00:19:22.319This will tell you and you can uh have a look.
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00:19:24.720All right, Christine, we always appreciate these updates.
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00:19:25.759You were gonna add something?
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00:19:34.000I was gonna add, if you have specific questions about a project, concerned about timeline or when it might be happening, you can always sign up for our Rave Alerts.
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00:19:39.200If you go to our website, there's a box where you can sign up to have text messages sent to you or emails.
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00:19:47.039And then we do a lot of our publication of our projects and like updates and notifications on social media, and that the rave alerts also push out to social media.
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00:19:56.240So, social media, our Facebook page, is an excellent place to get like real-time live updates about what's happening day to day, week to week, project-wise during construction season.
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00:19:56.880Okay.
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00:20:06.240Calhoun countymi.gov, Calhoun County's website, look for the road department, and you'll be connected with these resources Christine is talking about.
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00:20:07.279Thanks again.
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00:20:08.000Thank you.
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00:20:14.400Christine Parsons, director of the Calhoun County Road Department on Inside Calhoun County.
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