Princess Diaries / Miracles Happen

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Hi, welcome to In Sync, a podcast that explores the history and impact of some
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of your favorite music moments in TV and film. I'm your host, Rachel Brodsky.
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And if Brooke Shields married Groucho Marx, they would have my eyebrows.
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Yeah, they would. The 2001 Disney coming-of-age comedy The Princess Diaries
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was, and still is, a pop cultural blessing.
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Based on Meg Cabot's YA series, The Princess Diaries was our intro to millennial
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icon Anne Hathaway as a super shy San Francisco teenager who finds out from her grandmother,
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played by the Julie Andrews, that she is heiress to the throne of a small European
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kingdom called Genovia.
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The movie's closing scene has our needle drop of the week with Myra's Miracles
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Happen, parentheses, if you believe.
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Not to be confused with Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey's There Can Be Miracles When You Believe.
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This song is playing as Anne Hathaway, aka Mia Thermopolis Rinaldi,
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gets a kiss from Robert Schwartzman and is whisked away on a private jet to
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get ready for her coronation.
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More than two decades after The Princess Diaries release,
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the Miracles Happen ending scene has morphed into a broke millennial Gen Z TikTok
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meme with young adults looking out their windows expecting to see palaces and
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instead being greeted with shacks.
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A sardonic comment on how we can't afford to live anymore.
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More so who is myra how is our girl ann hathaway doing and how does the life
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cycle of miracles happen reflect millennial and gen z burnout all.
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This and more on the latest episode of instinct.
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Voltaire or hair i personally would like to learn about voltaire.
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I personally would like to learn about Voltaire.
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I love Heather so much.
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Her, I love her too. Just her line delivery and all the lines that she delivers
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in this movie, I just find so like Disney-fied.
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Is that a word?
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? So there's like a reason for that.
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We can talk a little bit about like how the fuck this movie got made because it is extremely weird.
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Yeah. Yeah, let's talk. I'm excited to learn about that because I learned about
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how just how little information there
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really is about Myra, who is still performing. Oh, she is still around.
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She's still around, but she got like kind of a crappy break in the end, which we'll get into.
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Yeah, I feel like this is like this is 2000s, early 2000s, pre 9-11,
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like everything's going to be great forever. ever.
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And then three months after this movie comes out, like nothing is good ever again.
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Oh my God. This really is like the last, you know how, okay.
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You know how when people will scientists say that like when you're dying,
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your brain has like, has like one last burst of activity. Yeah.
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Like the Proustian like soup or whatever.
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That's, that's like what this movie is in
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terms of like millennial narrative anything's
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possible you'll grow up to do anything you want being a princess being a princess
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could be great certainly yeah certainly nothing like the like like Prince Harry's
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spare made it out to be did you read that no,
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it's a good read I enjoyed it but also but also I I was like,
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wow, despite all my rage, he is just a rat in a cage.
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A ginger, yeah, golden cage, man.
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I mean, golden cage, sure, but it's not like you can just spend all your money
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that you ostensibly have.
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You are made to shop at J.Crew Factory so that you, I don't know.
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Nothing wrong with J.Crew Factory.
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Fuck you, J.Crew.
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It's just that you have a lot more, it's like, is it worth it to have every
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guardrail ever, ever ever up around.
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You you you.
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Are just living in a guardrail life and you can't do anything.
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Michael hobbs from the you're wrong about formerly
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of the you're wrong about podcast now if books be killed has this thing that
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fame like our brains are not wired to understand fame like that's not something
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evolutionary that should happen and so like all all fame is a prison of some
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kind which which I am coming to agree with more and more.
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But our story begins this week where most stories begin, with the 1988 Barbara
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Hershey movie, Beaches.
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The Gary Marshall-directed Weepy follows Hershey and Nickelodeon's Kids' Choice Award nominee,
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Bette Midler, as two best friends who go through the ups and downs of their
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best friendship throughout their lives, and it features a memorable music performance by Midler.
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That's right, the song Otto von Titzling from the 1971 satire Bust Up,
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also Wind Beneath My Wings.
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I gotta tell you, I just referenced Beaches because I went to the Hollywood
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Bowl to see Sarah McLachlan the other weekend.
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Hell yeah. I don't know how this is connected, but I love it.
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I'll tell you, my friend who I was with was like, how long has the Hollywood Bowl been around?
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And I was like, definitely since Beaches. Since Beaches.
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And she was like, Beaches!
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I watched Beaches a little too young. I understood the Otto von Titzling song,
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but I didn't know what the fuck was going on.
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And it still gets stuck in my head at least once a week.
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I think I saw Beaches when I was very, very young and didn't really know quite
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what was happening. I just knew it was a popular movie.
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And then I think I rewatched half of it. I still haven't seen the whole thing as an adult.
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It's very sad.
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Yeah. I mean, I do know that it's sad in the way that it's like Terms of Endearment.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's sad.
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And it also stars a young, not a young, not young Sheldon, but a young Sheldon's
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wife and Jeopardy host, Mayim Bialik.
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Yes. And my friend who I was with mentioned, she's like, Mayim Bialik? I was like, yes.
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But more importantly to our conversation today, Beaches was Gary Marshall's
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first movie with Touchstone Pictures, which is the live action arm of the Walt Disney Company.
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This movie was a big hit for Gary Marshall and company, and so they set out
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to make a follow-up, a gritty, romantic, erotic story about a yuppie businessman
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spending a week with a Hollywood hooker called 3000.
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But we're working with Disney.
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Whatever could you be talking about?
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What could I be talking about? We were working with Disney. We got the Beaches
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guy. We can't make it that gritty.
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We've got to make this yuppie sex worker erotic drama fun for the whole family.
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And Marshall learned a lesson for Beaches. You've got to hit him with a musical tie-in.
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And so, of course, this had been a tried and true formula for decades.
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See also the theme from Love Story. story uh
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but it had never been so successful for
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gary marshall as it was until the movie 3000
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they got the rights to a roy orbison song to use in a shopping montage they
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loved the placement so much that they renamed the movie pretty woman they also
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changed the movie's ending in favor of a fairy tale reuniting instead of the
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originally scripted depressing as shit ending right.
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Not to to be confused though with wasn't there um like a a really really really
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gory like comically gory movie called 3000 in like the mid-2000s.
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300 the yes 300 yes yes spartans yeah yes that not my favorite i.
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Walked out of the theater.
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Not even my favorite zach snyder movie which is a very low bar Far to clear.
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The success of Pretty Woman changed Marshall's career trajectory.
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It's not like he was hurting for work. He had been writing and directing and
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acting in films since the 60s. But all of a sudden, Gary Marshall is the rom-com guy.
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You come to his movies, you laugh, you cry, you see some pretty people doing
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jobs that don't make sense for them.
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I'm looking at you, Ashton Kutcher, as a florist.
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Wait, what was he a florist in?
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Valentine's Day.
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With Taylor Swift?
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Yes, and he's going to propose to Lea Michele, who you heard it here last, cannot read.
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I never saw Valentine's Day.
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I think I watched it on a plane.
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It sounds like a plane movie.
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It sounds like a plane movie. And we kind of think of Garry Marshall as a hit
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maker, but after Pretty Woman, it gave a string of misses. There was Frankie
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and Johnny with Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer.
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Exit to Eden, which is a 1994 sex comedy starring Rosie O'Donnell and Dan Aykroyd
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as cops who go undercover to like this fetish island resort thing.
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Okay.
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Can't imagine why that failed. Bizarrely based on a novel by Anne Rice.
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Okay.
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And also the equally bizarre Dear God starring Greg Kinnear as a con artist
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who starts getting God's mail.
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that is okay so we've got three strikes all made apart from touchstone pictures
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so marshall and the mouse reunite for the 1998 film the other sister oh shit
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in which fresh out of rehab juliet lewis and extremely devout scientologist giovanni rabisi play,
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developmentally disabled romantic interests have.
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You seen the other sister.
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Oh i have oh.
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I have two.
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With my parents yeah i watch i i also i think about that movie kind of a lot because,
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that is the movie that taught me that if you mouth the word olive juice it looks
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like you're saying i love you i.
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Forgot about that.
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Yeah all.
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I really remember from the other sister is juliet lewis and giovanni rubisi having sex.
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For the first time to.
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Marching band music because he just loves marching band music.
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Yep that movie listeners this is like a complete digression that movie is so crazy that it.
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That movie is wrong on so many levels that even we knew it was wrong in 1998.
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Oh yeah it was it was bad for 98 but juliet lewis is in some of my favorite
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movies and some of like Like the weirdest,
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goriest, like she's in From Dusk Till Dawn and Natural Born Killers,
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which are both very memorable movies in my upbringing.
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And I can only think of her as the girl from The Other Sister.
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And she, but she's also a killer live performer.
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Yeah, Juliette and the Licks.
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I saw her at Brooklyn Bowl many years ago and she was fantastic.
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And she's just generally amazing in Yellow Jackets.
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Yeah, she's pretty good. Are...
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spoilers should we oh let's not spoil okay let's stay away from yellow jacket
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she was generally amazing she was i.
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Mean you never know they could bring her.
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Back and uh in flashbacks but yeah but okay
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so gary marshall's got four flops in
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a row maybe let's get julia roberts
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and richard gear back so in 1999 the three
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of them reunite for runaway bride it does really well at the box office it even
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features a song from you two on the soundtrack one of my top five least favorite
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bands of all time but marshall's going back to the well and you've got to start
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to wonder whether he can make a hit without his pretty woman co-stars julie
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roberts and richard gear,
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enter the princess diaries it's.
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Kind of a pretty woman story.
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In and of itself yeah right so so he's abandoned
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the pretty woman cast for a pretty woman story loosely based
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on meg cabot's 2000 year 2000 young
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adult novel of the same name which originally was called the princess of tribeca
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or something it starts anne hathaway in a debut performance as mia thermopolis
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a dorky high school sophomore played a dorky high school sophomore with frizzy
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hair and a public speaking phobia quick digression well uh.
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Hard relate by the way.
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So this is so i have a question for you then i don't see a lot of people with
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public speaking phobias anymore because.
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People just talk into their phones.
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I think that that's i think that that's right i.
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Mean especially people far younger than ourselves.
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They just grew on their phones they just yeah.
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They just grew up talking into their phones they grew up with a camera on them i.
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Think that's like 85.
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Of the time.
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100 right so this is like a type of we're seeing like oh this kind of thing wouldn't be
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made couldn't be made today because that would that would be like of the phobia
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of like riding in a car like yeah yeah everyone's.
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Just so accustomed.
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Yeah to.
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Like their main character for.
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Better or worse right i think that worse that also might have to do something
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to do with the fact that we both live in los angeles but true.
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But i mean how much tiktok do you watch.
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So much a lot.
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Of so why a lot of a lot of those people don't live in los.
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Angeles a lot of people are.
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Yeah but they want to maybe they will eventually.
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So well.
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I i mean i had a i had a major public speaking phobia.
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I i did too yeah and i i uh as as like a performer and a rock band and as a
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teacher i just like threw a ton of practice and exposure have like i'm no longer
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nervous when i talk in front of people but like yeah.
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It's a it's a muscle.
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In my mid-20s i was like having like Like, panic attacks.
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Oh, yeah. When I started as, like, a working person and sat in boardrooms...
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Speaking, it used to be this task that I could not even wrap my head around,
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being asked to speak or present anything.
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Worse for me was reading. If I had to read a passage out loud,
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I would rather walk into the ocean.
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Is it because you become so aware of yourself speaking that you are afraid that you- Don't fuck it up.
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Don't fuck it up. Don't fuck it up.
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For me, I'm like, what if I just forgot how to read right now?
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Yeah. right.
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In this moment what if this what if what if i just like for because i had that that anxiety too.
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Yeah but.
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It was like more like hey what if i just like forgot how to speak english what
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if i just like suddenly blanked on knowing even how to read.
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I still have dreams where i'm like doing a
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presentation i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about yeah yeah
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yeah me too you think after like 40 episodes
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of this podcast i'd be okay with not knowing what i was talking about out
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the movie was uh was
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with disney since 1999 and it was co-produced by
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whitney houston's brown house productions so that
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like whitney houston reference that i made at the top of the show is apt uh
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right they had discussed making it the story of a young black girl i think she
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probably finds out that she's the princess of like an african nation and that
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was abandoned when marshall came on the project they like the quote is like
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oh they discussed they decided to
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keep it closer to the book and like that the girl has
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european roots and i'm not really gonna comment on
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any other reasons why that may have happened except for the movie would have
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wound up being a little bit like a reverse coming to america um however so marshall
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was tasked with making a g-rated live action movie that was like fun for the whole family which is,
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Is not possible, essentially.
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I will say that I've always been impressed that the Princess Diaries manages
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to do as much as it does with a G rating.
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I looked it up because I did not believe that it had a G rating.
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Yeah, it's a full-on G rating.
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Full-on general audiences.
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That is something that has always stuck with me since the beginning.
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I think that that also informs what we were talking about with Heather Matarazzo's joke placement.
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Like her Waka Waka jokes is like, oh, this is a G-rated movie.
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However, Gary nearly declined to work on the film due to a typo in the original
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treatment that read The Princess Dairies.
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And he said that, quote, I thought it was a movie about privileged cows.
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Once that was cleared up, Gary Marshall signed on. So about the movie.
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Mia is a nerd. As we mentioned, she's played by Anne Hathaway in like a really
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great debut performance. performance she really.
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Really she she just owns that.
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And she's very fun yeah uh she lives in
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a converted firehouse in san francisco with her artist mother who's working
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on a painting throughout the film that just reads jine and her best friend is
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the insufferable lily moskovitz played by one of my favorite actors and former
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co-worker heather materazzo hey shout out shout Shout out to Heather.
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Mia is quietly in love with her classmate Josh, played by Eric Von Detten.
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If you're having trouble picturing Eric Von Detten in your head,
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just mash up all the three sons from Home Improvement.
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He does have the blonde butt cut.
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He has the butt cut and the weird chin. Her high school bully,
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Lana, played by Mandy Moore in her villain era.
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Oh, my God. She, like, we have to at least talk about Saved a little bit.
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Which Heather is also in.
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Yes.
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Yes. So this is part of the Mandy Moore villain trilogy for me,
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which is this, Saved, and super deep cut, American Dreams,
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Dreams with a Z, where she plays like a Kelly Clarkson character.
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You were thinking about like the 60s show. Yes.
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Yeah.
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No, American Dreams with a Z is a show about a, this is like 2005 or 6,
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so very post 9-11, about a terrorist who is obsessed with American Idol.
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Goes on American Idol. In this case, the show is called American Dreams, Dreams with a Z.
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Because the president is the
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guest judge for the finale. And he's going to blow himself up on live TV.
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And with the president. And Mandy Moore plays like a Kelly Clarkson type.
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And it is so weird. It's directed by Chris Weitz.
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One of the Weitz brothers. Paul and Chris Weitz who did American Pie.
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American Pie.
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Yeah. Very, very, very weird and good movie. but chris klein is in it willem
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dafoe plays dick cheney it's very strange well.
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That just goes to show how embedded i think like fear of terrorist attacks was in.
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Just the general it's definitely like my like
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the terrorist is the hero of the movie
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which can't imagine why that movie didn't do
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well in 2006 okay go on it's it's it's weird it's i two thumbs way up so let
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lana in the princess diaries played by manny moore uh makes fun of mia for not
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being able to speak in public and later on for wearing a hat and.
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Then before that before the hat having hair.
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Just having hair having hair vaguely vaguely semitic hair i know there's like
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some weird some weird and anti-Semitism in this movie. I'm like, Gary, what?
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Anyway, all's not lost for Mia, however, because her best friend Lily's older
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brother, Michael, secretly pines for her.
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He works at a garage and he's fixing up her broken ass 1966 Ford Mustang for
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her for free. And he's also in the band Rooney.
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I mean, Flypaper, I'm sorry.
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Michael's got this weird thing about M&Ms on pizza that I don't really get and
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it's not really crucial to the plot. so I have a feeling most of it was just cut out of the movie.
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And playing keys with M&M's. He just needs to have M&M's scattered around him at all times.
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Very famously, the Marshalls, Gary and Penny overshot a bunch of stuff and would
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shape the story in post-production.
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We talked a little bit about this in our League of Their Own episode where most
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of that movie is ADR'd because they're changing plot points.
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And I feel kind of the same way about The Princess Diaries. You can feel things
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being kind of shaped and reworked.
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After the fact.
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Yeah like the fact that her father has only been dead for two months and lily
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moskowitz is like get over it already i know that.
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I caught that it was just like like it's been two.
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Months it's been two whole months two whole months that feels like a adr line
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in a scene that it didn't belong in because it's just like it it comes in like
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fucking Sputnik. It is out of nowhere.
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Yeah, get over your dead dad dying like eight weeks ago.
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Eight weeks ago. Come on. We're sophomores. Come on my show.
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Every month is like a year in our very short lives.
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It kind of is. Meanwhile, political intrigue. Clarice Rinaldi,
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queen of the definitely real country where they speak English,
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Genovia, must designate a successor before some big pear festival
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or else the monarchy will fall apart or into the control of a pair of plotting
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hook nose shifty jewish types oh.
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My god see i did not pick up on that i just thought they were supposed to be like boris and natasha.
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Well uh i mean yeah from what.
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Rocky and bolt are are boris and natasha meant to be jewish.
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No they're i think that they're meant to be like russian cops like russian like Yeah.
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Like Russian Cold War spies or whatever.
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But in a 2024 reading of this movie, what is this pair of dastardly,
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this dastardly duo, what are their politics?
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Are they communists? Are they trying to topple a monarchy? I'm on their side.
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This is ridiculous. This 16-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl has never been to Genovia.
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Why should she get to control what they do with the pears? Anyway.
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I had a very backward... My response to Princess Diaries now is like, don't do it.
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Don't do it.
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Don't do it. Stay in the cool artist converted loft apart.
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Do not run away to Colorado at 15.
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team because that's how you end up on hollywood boulevard right you can.
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Uh you can you can get a hair straightener if you want or at least just like
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a layered haircut so the curls the curls fall a little bit more softly around
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the face you can pluck your own eyebrows and keep wearing glasses if you want
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date the cute musician like your.
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Life is already musician your.
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Life is already set up pretty well you don't need to be like sit you don't you
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don't need the princess life and make.
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Over you're worried about the economics of this country come on you.
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Don't need to do it.
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Don't worry yeah but yeah uh it
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turns out that mia is the only granddaughter because clarice's
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son fell in love with a commoner in college knocked her
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up left her to be the prince of genovia and then
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died two months ago queen clarice
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calls mia to greatness but can she do it can she
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straighten her frizzy hair and pluck her overgrown eyebrows which are
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the style now before it's too late and the
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crown of genovia falls into well i
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don't really know who they are but they just have accents of big noses so
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we know that they're evil at first me
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keeps her royal lineage a secret but after a makeover and an appearance in the
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tabloids paparazzi swarms mia's high school it's not all bad though because
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josh is now very interested in mia he invites her to this like end of year beach
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party thing where all the coolest kids are hanging out lana and the lanettes yeah.
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Right she just happens to be a singer of course many more.
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Because she's in.
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Her singing she was a was a singer.
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First like full-time first yeah then it was like so yeah.
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So any anything she's in she's She's got to also sing.
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And so they do like a musical bop that has nothing to do with the plot of the movie.
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And then, I guess, okay, so Josh tries to, like, sexually assault her. Yeah.
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And he kisses her, but her foot
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does not pop. And then Mandy Boer and her cronies, Lana and the Lanettes,
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try to get Mia, who is 15, I have to remind you, naked, so that the paparazzi
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can snap a photo of this naked 15-year-old.
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The year 2000.
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Cool. All the while, this caused Mia to have to skip an appearance on Lily Moskovitz's
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cable access show, Shut Up and Listen, which the Queen of Genovia inexplicably watches.
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Cool. Oh, Mia, we're really in it this time.
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As Taylor says, how are we going to get out of this one?
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How are we going to get out of this one? So Mia's brought shame to the crown
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and to the Rinaldi name, and she plans on running away from home to Colorado.
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what okay cool on the
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night of this big coronation thing until she finds a
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literal princess diary well a prince diary written by her estranged dead father
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played by her real father gerald hathaway to be given to her on her 16th birthday
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will she find the strength to become a princess can she apologize to michael
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moskovitz for missing his band's big gig with an eminem covered pizza
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can miracles really happen what.
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Do you think what do you think can miracles.
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I i think i i you know after having discovered that this movie is g-rated i'm
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like way more forgiving of some of its goofiness but in general i do really like this movie i.
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Really like this movie too i i have I've rewatched it like a handful of times.
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As an adult. I had never seen it until recently.
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I had seen it before we decided to do this show, but Leanne obviously is like
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in the demo and was like, let's watch princess diaries. And I was like, okay.
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Are, are Leanne and I like the same exact age?
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She is, I think six months older than you are.
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Okay. Yes. So yes, we are all in the same.
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Yeah. So Leanne and I probably grew up with this movie in precisely the same way.
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And that's like an interesting point to bring up.
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We talked a little bit about, we referenced that the converted firehouse was where you should stay.
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And it's like this wish fulfillment of her life. Like, she's living the life
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that all of us, all millennials, especially, like, millennial girls wanted to live anyway.
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It's, like, not as though Mia's living in Nowheresville. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Hicksville Bluff, Kansas. Yeah.
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It's not as though she's living in a cool city like San Francisco before the tech takeover.
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She's living in a cool apartment.
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There's that big giant painting.
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With a cool cat with her cool mom who's an artist.
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And I was looking at the posters, like the set decor.
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And they've got some like really, like she's got cool taste. yeah.
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She's elliot smith.
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Yeah she got elliot smith poster clearly this this girl is like bound for like
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swarthmore college oh yeah and she's or smith or like vassar she's gonna like
00:28:30.733 --> 00:28:35.793
join the college radio station and have a cool ass life except that it gets
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stolen from her yeah it gets stolen from her by a by a monarchy the.
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Gilded cage so uh i think it's it's worth mentioning that uh Mia's mom,
00:28:45.673 --> 00:28:48.073
Helen, is played by Carolyn Goodall.
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Yeah, I recognized her, but I just didn't do an IMDb scrub.
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She was also, so she's the mom in Hook.
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Oh, I never saw Hook.
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Oh, Hook is awesome.
00:29:00.813 --> 00:29:01.593
Oh, I know.
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Hook is so good.
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Talk about knowledge gaps. That's a big one for me.
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Yeah, so no relation to Jane Goodall. That's why I looked it up.
00:29:11.493 --> 00:29:19.073
Right. But Mia's converted firehouse is like the gateway drug to the like Nancy
00:29:19.073 --> 00:29:22.713
Meyers kitchen core millennial dream.
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That's what we all dream of now is to have like a kitchen with like a white backsplash. Yeah.
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Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm going to take it back further.
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But before like slightly younger millennials wanted Arnold and hey Arnold's room.
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Okay.
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Right. And then move it up to the converted firehouse when we're a little older.
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And then much, much, much older, we want the Nancy Meyers kitchen.
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We want the Nancy Meyers kitchen.
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And yeah, the Eileen Fisher coastal grandma basics capsule wardrobe.
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You put a lot of thought into this.
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No, I really just thought of it.
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It's perfect.
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I'm just very in touch with my generation, Aviv.
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That's true. You're the voice that you've been called the voice of your generation.
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I am a voice of a generation. Yeah.
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I like Robert Schwartzman's performance as Michael Moskowitz.
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He does a really good floppy haired indie boy.
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Oh, yeah. I still have a little, a wee crush on him in this role,
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except for when he, like the end of the movie.
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When he slicks it back.
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When he quaffs it back. Yeah, I hate it. Hate it.
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Stay floppy, buddy.
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Stay floppy.
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Robert Schwartzman is the brother of Jason Schwartzman and son of Talia Shire.
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i am upset that they ditch him in the sequel for chris pine yeah.
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I think i've only seen the sequel once.
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I have i have also only seen the sequel once in
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the sequel she has to get engaged or something
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it's called a royal engagement i'm using context clues and she like winds up
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i think with chris pine at the end which you know they they bring back paulo
00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:10.469
putinesca which is a joke that probably Probably should have earned them a PG
00:31:10.469 --> 00:31:14.609
rating because Puttanesca means prostitute.
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Didn't know that. I mostly know Larry Miller as the dad, the controlling dad
00:31:22.209 --> 00:31:23.529
from 10 Things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I knew him.
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He's Dawson's River kids sleeping in each other's beds and whatnot.
00:31:28.509 --> 00:31:33.409
I'm up to my elbows and placenta. Yeah. I saw his stand up as a kid.
00:31:33.489 --> 00:31:39.129
They're like would play his stand up on HBO at night sometimes or Comedy Central pre South Park.
00:31:39.269 --> 00:31:42.509
But yeah, I knew him as like kind of this, this kind of guy,
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not the Italian guy, but like this skeevy, sarcastic kind of guy.
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We'll sell you out to the nearest paparazzi. Although, although,
00:31:53.749 --> 00:31:57.149
so you haven't read the books, I'm guessing.
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The Princess Diary books?
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The Princess Diary books? No, sorry. I have read the books.
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I read the books when they came out because I was, again, the perfect age demo. And in the books.
00:32:07.469 --> 00:32:09.049
The plot's very different, right?
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It's the, it is, it is different. It's been so long that I mainly just remember.
00:32:15.649 --> 00:32:23.609
So in, in the movie, Julie Andrews is a much more like, she's very like, like Disney.
00:32:24.109 --> 00:32:30.329
Like she's not, she's much meaner in the books. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
00:32:30.629 --> 00:32:35.469
And in the books, she is the one who alerts the paparazzi.
00:32:35.469 --> 00:32:38.469
Oh, cause she's like, my granddaughter is crazy.
00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:45.389
Well she's like you gotta handle this sometime oh you need to face it here's.
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The deep end for you kids.
00:32:46.609 --> 00:32:50.309
Yeah like like stop hiding you like
00:32:50.309 --> 00:32:55.829
we need publicity around this and you i mean i could i couldn't get any details
00:32:55.829 --> 00:32:59.529
wrong because again it's been a really long time 25 years yeah it's been like
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25 years but but the the biggest plot diversion in the movie is having larry
00:33:05.829 --> 00:33:08.649
miller be the one that oh well dad's alive.
00:33:08.649 --> 00:33:09.389
In the book.
00:33:12.331 --> 00:33:13.731
Is he? Yeah. I forgot.
00:33:14.131 --> 00:33:22.011
Because they had changed that a little late in the filming, where they're like, Dad's dead.
00:33:22.391 --> 00:33:26.011
Thus leading to the, like, what are you so upset about?
00:33:26.051 --> 00:33:30.091
Your dad's only been dead for two months. So, yeah, we mentioned Larry Miller.
00:33:30.211 --> 00:33:32.371
He plays Paola Butunesca, the makeover guy.
00:33:32.531 --> 00:33:39.051
There's also Hector Elizondo, who both Larry Miller and Hector Elizondo are in Pretty Woman as well.
00:33:39.111 --> 00:33:43.731
But Hector Elizondo is great. oh yeah i didn't really mention we'll help.
00:33:43.731 --> 00:33:44.851
Her use it sir.
00:33:44.851 --> 00:33:51.451
Yeah hector alessandro is great he plays joe bia's driver he is the like bell
00:33:51.451 --> 00:33:58.031
man in pretty woman and he's in a bunch like basically every gary marshall movie he was his like the.
00:33:58.031 --> 00:33:59.451
Manager of the hotels.
00:33:59.451 --> 00:34:02.531
Yes yeah and he is so
00:34:02.531 --> 00:34:08.291
charming in this he gets to waltz with julie andrews it's very cute and apparently
00:34:08.291 --> 00:34:14.651
it was his his idea to have that romantic relationship between him and Clarice
00:34:14.651 --> 00:34:21.131
Rinaldi because they had so much chemistry at the table read and Julie Andrews just whispered,
00:34:21.151 --> 00:34:23.131
you're cute to him.
00:34:23.331 --> 00:34:28.151
And so he's like, I want to dance with Julie. Like, let's do it.
00:34:28.291 --> 00:34:32.391
And now would now be the time to tell you about the time I met Julie.
00:34:32.511 --> 00:34:33.551
Yes. Queen.
00:34:33.731 --> 00:34:38.851
This seems like a good time. The year 2012.
00:34:39.551 --> 00:34:42.651
the job time out new york kids
00:34:42.651 --> 00:34:45.911
time out new york kids holy shit yeah one
00:34:45.911 --> 00:34:49.371
of my first jobs out of college the week princess week
00:34:49.371 --> 00:34:52.031
and i think it was like
00:34:52.031 --> 00:34:55.231
target i have a picture and the backdrop the picture
00:34:55.231 --> 00:34:58.451
it's great yeah the backdrop is like target and
00:34:58.451 --> 00:35:02.151
the walt disney company's national princess week and
00:35:02.151 --> 00:35:05.111
a bunch of press are invited to meet
00:35:05.111 --> 00:35:08.271
the julie andrews we but
00:35:08.271 --> 00:35:11.111
it's and we get to to like each ask her a question but it's really
00:35:11.111 --> 00:35:13.951
weird because like we're all sitting around a table it's like
00:35:13.951 --> 00:35:17.151
one of those things where it's very very impersonal but
00:35:17.151 --> 00:35:22.711
it was just just few enough uh people for uh the journalists that it did feel
00:35:22.711 --> 00:35:26.331
somewhat intimate it wasn't you guys like look her in the eye yeah we look her
00:35:26.331 --> 00:35:30.611
in the eye and then after we were all done answering questions i wish i wish
00:35:30.611 --> 00:35:34.271
you could have like felt the energy in that room because just imagine like
00:35:34.371 --> 00:35:39.111
maybe being like a teenager meeting Elvis in like the 50s.
00:35:39.111 --> 00:35:40.211
It's Mary Poppins.
00:35:40.371 --> 00:35:46.131
It was like that. Yeah, it was like, we grew up watching you. We love you.
00:35:46.311 --> 00:35:51.411
You're Mary Poppins and Maria from The Sound of Music.
00:35:52.291 --> 00:35:59.171
I just wish I could communicate over airwaves what it was like to see all these
00:35:59.171 --> 00:36:05.011
people in in their 20s and 30s and maybe 40s, just, like, gazing at her with...
00:36:05.885 --> 00:36:08.525
utter utter reverence she like actually.
00:36:08.525 --> 00:36:09.385
Walks on a cloud.
00:36:09.385 --> 00:36:14.045
Yeah yeah and and she speak like like the way she speaks in every movie is the
00:36:14.045 --> 00:36:15.885
way she speaks in real life yeah the.
00:36:15.885 --> 00:36:17.765
She speaks the queens which is interesting.
00:36:17.765 --> 00:36:18.605
Because one.
00:36:18.605 --> 00:36:25.985
Of her first jobs this ties into the to the both pretty woman and uh princess
00:36:25.985 --> 00:36:32.285
diaries one of her first jobs was as eliza doolittle in the west end production.
00:36:32.285 --> 00:36:35.205
Right that's my fair lady lady um which.
00:36:35.205 --> 00:36:39.265
Is interesting to hear her it would be interesting to hear her like go full.
00:36:39.265 --> 00:36:42.665
Cockney yeah because she speaks like on
00:36:42.665 --> 00:36:48.685
the total opposite end of that speech spectrum so at the end of this like meet
00:36:48.685 --> 00:36:54.565
and greet and like q a i guess we got to take pictures with julie andrews and
00:36:54.565 --> 00:36:58.165
since it was princess week we were invited to wear you'll You'll probably notice
00:36:58.165 --> 00:37:00.205
in the picture that I'm wearing,
00:37:00.385 --> 00:37:04.305
in addition to, like, I really need a haircut.
00:37:04.305 --> 00:37:04.325
Swoopy bangs, baby.
00:37:04.645 --> 00:37:06.005
Yeah, my swoopy bangs.
00:37:06.005 --> 00:37:06.805
I love the swoopy bangs.
00:37:07.225 --> 00:37:09.785
I really needed a haircut in that picture. But we each, like,
00:37:09.845 --> 00:37:13.305
we were handed these, like, feather boas for some reason.
00:37:13.425 --> 00:37:16.605
It's like, we'll put this out on our socials, maybe.
00:37:16.725 --> 00:37:18.465
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll all get to see it.
00:37:18.545 --> 00:37:20.645
It's like a bar mitzvah feather boa.
00:37:20.985 --> 00:37:25.625
Yeah. It was like what I imagined. I'm going to Hawaii soon.
00:37:25.625 --> 00:37:29.985
and I've never been to Hawaii, but in certain movies I've seen them you just
00:37:29.985 --> 00:37:31.785
get handed a lei as soon as you walk.
00:37:31.945 --> 00:37:35.505
It was like that only for Princess Week, which I don't think exists.
00:37:35.865 --> 00:37:40.545
I don't think it's existed before or again. But I'm just sitting there with
00:37:40.545 --> 00:37:47.605
my glasses that I had just gotten and my swoopy 2012 haircut and,
00:37:49.645 --> 00:37:57.145
a deep purple feather boa and there's like a weird shadow across my face.
00:37:58.225 --> 00:38:01.765
But Julie Andrews looks so perfect. She could be a wax figure.
00:38:02.005 --> 00:38:05.065
Yeah, she looks the same as she does in...
00:38:05.766 --> 00:38:06.766
The Princess Diaries.
00:38:07.246 --> 00:38:14.326
And it was, I think we got to get a little hug in, and then we sit, and I just blacked out.
00:38:14.506 --> 00:38:21.686
She's still acting, mostly voice work. She plays Lady Whistledown in Bridgerton.
00:38:21.766 --> 00:38:22.206
Yes.
00:38:22.206 --> 00:38:23.826
But yeah, she- Perfect.
00:38:23.826 --> 00:38:25.266
Perfect Lady Whistledown.
00:38:25.366 --> 00:38:31.886
Her last live action performance was maybe in The Tooth Fairy?
00:38:33.406 --> 00:38:40.346
the the the rock movie where he plays a tooth fairy i don't know she plays a
00:38:40.346 --> 00:38:44.606
character named lily but before that it would have been princess diaries 2 would
00:38:44.606 --> 00:38:49.286
be her last right right uh um live action performance for.
00:38:49.286 --> 00:38:53.506
Anyone who's ever wondered julie andrews is as enchanting in real life as you
00:38:53.506 --> 00:38:54.946
want as you would hope for her to be.
00:38:54.946 --> 00:39:05.306
Thank god there's a really um famous scene in this movie that takes place on the roof of the school,
00:39:05.486 --> 00:39:11.186
which is also like where the basketball court is and bleachers and Anne Hathaway
00:39:11.186 --> 00:39:19.846
like is walking on the bleachers and falls and Heather Matarazzo is like, oh my God, are you okay?
00:39:20.226 --> 00:39:24.486
And it turns out that that happened for real. This is like one of those famous movie stories.
00:39:24.526 --> 00:39:29.446
I actually love that fun fact that she like slips and falls on her butt.
00:39:29.806 --> 00:39:34.566
It's not her butt. She like America's funniest home videos, like her crotch.
00:39:34.666 --> 00:39:38.886
It's really, it looks like it hurts. But later on in that scene,
00:39:39.006 --> 00:39:42.506
this is a scene where they're like Heather Matarazzo and Anne Hathaway were
00:39:42.506 --> 00:39:47.246
like fighting and they're like making up because they're there.
00:39:47.846 --> 00:39:50.366
The fame is going to Mia's head or something.
00:39:50.646 --> 00:39:54.566
No, no, no. It's not, it's not even that. It's like, it's like Heather Matarazzo
00:39:54.566 --> 00:39:57.226
doesn't even know what's going on yet. you're being so weird.
00:39:57.366 --> 00:39:58.026
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:58.066 --> 00:40:01.506
Like, why are you being so weird? you're changing like what's with the what's
00:40:01.506 --> 00:40:04.886
with the haircut or actually she had she didn't even get a makeover yet she's
00:40:04.886 --> 00:40:09.906
um she's more just like she's not walking with what's going on with you you're
00:40:09.906 --> 00:40:13.706
spending all this time with your grandmother why what like you're not who.
00:40:13.706 --> 00:40:14.186
Is this bitch.
00:40:14.186 --> 00:40:17.966
Yeah like what's going on like you're keeping something from me but.
00:40:17.966 --> 00:40:20.966
There's something i want to point out with with that happens like a little earlier
00:40:20.966 --> 00:40:23.906
in the scene which is like when they're still fighting is.
00:40:23.906 --> 00:40:24.486
That Heather.
00:40:24.486 --> 00:40:32.666
Matarazzo is draining buckets. She makes like six free throws in a row while
00:40:32.666 --> 00:40:35.546
doing this scene, which is like extremely impressive.
00:40:36.666 --> 00:40:38.066
Cool, I did not notice that.
00:40:38.066 --> 00:40:41.406
She does not miss a shot in the entire movie.
00:40:42.723 --> 00:40:45.683
sports things that i don't know sports um and
00:40:45.683 --> 00:40:49.463
gary marshall despite not
00:40:49.463 --> 00:40:52.383
having worked with younger actors a
00:40:52.383 --> 00:40:55.303
ton um was really really
00:40:55.303 --> 00:41:00.163
great he's like kind of this was this big grandpa on set he used to hold birthday
00:41:00.163 --> 00:41:05.183
parties for the entire crew and have like little parades down their back lot
00:41:05.183 --> 00:41:10.663
and he celebrated his own birthday while filming where producer of the film
00:41:10.663 --> 00:41:14.863
whitney Whitney Houston showed up and serenaded him with a rendition of happy birthday.
00:41:15.183 --> 00:41:16.823
It doesn't really get better than that.
00:41:16.903 --> 00:41:20.983
Does not get better than that. And it's, it's important to note that like Whitney
00:41:20.983 --> 00:41:25.583
Houston still produced this movie and made a ton of money off of it.
00:41:25.743 --> 00:41:31.843
Like, yeah. Even though it's not her, like her vision was like kind of a Rogers and Hammerstein.
00:41:32.563 --> 00:41:35.663
Yeah. Like, uh, her version, her version of Cinderella.
00:41:35.783 --> 00:41:36.923
Exactly. Which I like.
00:41:37.023 --> 00:41:39.983
And is now, I think it's on Disney plus.
00:41:40.083 --> 00:41:43.463
Yeah. Yeah, it's available now for the first time in like 20 years.
00:41:43.623 --> 00:41:52.183
Yeah, I taped that version of Cinderella with Brandy. And I watched it many
00:41:52.183 --> 00:41:56.983
times and still get emotional thinking about how good it is.
00:41:57.123 --> 00:42:01.823
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was one of those, I mean, like the internet has giveth,
00:42:01.943 --> 00:42:07.143
but this was one of those white whales for about 20 years where it wasn't available
00:42:07.143 --> 00:42:11.843
on home video and people thought that they had imagined a TV movie where Whitney
00:42:11.843 --> 00:42:14.943
Houston played the fairy godmother. But it is real and you can watch it now.
00:42:15.463 --> 00:42:19.843
The magical world of Disney delivereth.
00:42:20.563 --> 00:42:27.583
They also did a magical world of Disney about Tony Danza where he plays a kicker
00:42:27.583 --> 00:42:29.943
for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds.
00:42:29.943 --> 00:42:30.703
Okay, missed that.
00:42:30.983 --> 00:42:31.863
I own it on VHS.
00:42:32.523 --> 00:42:37.903
Similarly, I don't know if it's on Disney+, Plus, but the Lindsay Lohan Barbie
00:42:37.903 --> 00:42:41.923
movie where Tyra Banks plays life-size.
00:42:41.943 --> 00:42:43.043
The life-size, yeah.
00:42:43.043 --> 00:42:49.003
Yeah, Tyra Banks plays a Barbie who comes to life and helps teenage Lindsay
00:42:49.003 --> 00:42:51.923
Lohan to, I don't know, accept herself.
00:42:52.203 --> 00:42:55.543
Tyra may not have been the best role model.
00:42:56.863 --> 00:42:58.463
Well, I mean, IRL, no.
00:42:58.663 --> 00:42:58.863
Yeah.
00:43:00.243 --> 00:43:02.043
But in the movie, sure.
00:43:02.163 --> 00:43:06.503
Sure, why not? The film also contains several additional references to Pretty
00:43:06.503 --> 00:43:11.023
Woman, along with Larry Miller and Hector Elizondo, the neighbor,
00:43:11.203 --> 00:43:12.983
Mr. What's his fucking name?
00:43:13.923 --> 00:43:14.443
Ooh.
00:43:14.683 --> 00:43:15.803
It's something weird.
00:43:15.823 --> 00:43:16.343
It's like Mr.
00:43:16.523 --> 00:43:17.963
Pepperoni or something crazy.
00:43:18.603 --> 00:43:20.823
Oh, yeah. Mr.
00:43:20.963 --> 00:43:21.443
Robitussin.
00:43:21.543 --> 00:43:23.303
Mr. Robitussin. Yeah.
00:43:23.583 --> 00:43:24.103
Mr.
00:43:24.403 --> 00:43:25.143
Robitussin. Mr.
00:43:25.143 --> 00:43:25.763
Robitussin. Mr.
00:43:26.063 --> 00:43:26.583
Pepperoni.
00:43:26.583 --> 00:43:27.963
I thought it was something like that.
00:43:28.003 --> 00:43:29.283
You were close, though.
00:43:29.983 --> 00:43:37.343
Yeah, Mr. Robitussin is also in Pretty Woman, as well as this dude named Alan.
00:43:37.643 --> 00:43:42.843
The waiter. Wait, Mr. Robitussin is the bellhop.
00:43:43.003 --> 00:43:43.263
Yeah.
00:43:43.843 --> 00:43:44.403
Yes.
00:43:44.403 --> 00:43:49.663
I think he's also the dude from Wet Hot American Summer that causes the satellite to crash.
00:43:49.663 --> 00:43:52.503
yeah so uh there's also
00:43:52.503 --> 00:43:57.043
this dude named alan kent
00:43:57.043 --> 00:43:59.943
sometimes spelled with two l's sometimes spelled with
00:43:59.943 --> 00:44:03.063
one l and so alan kent plays a waiter
00:44:03.063 --> 00:44:06.163
at the state dinner oh yeah and when
00:44:06.163 --> 00:44:12.563
mia like clangs the glass and breaks it alan says it happens all the time which
00:44:12.563 --> 00:44:18.463
is like an exact callback to the same scene in pretty woman and he's the one
00:44:18.463 --> 00:44:23.563
that says snail yeah with the snail and he's the one that says it in pretty woman too yeah.
00:44:23.563 --> 00:44:24.623
When the snail goes flying.
00:44:24.623 --> 00:44:26.983
Yeah uh yeah so that's very roberts.
00:44:26.983 --> 00:44:27.863
Being all of us.
00:44:27.863 --> 00:44:31.783
That's that's my problem i'm just so much like julia roberts i.
00:44:31.783 --> 00:44:36.183
Mean in in awkwardness around extremely wealthy.
00:44:36.183 --> 00:44:37.543
Settings where where.
00:44:37.543 --> 00:44:43.763
There's like 10 sets of silverware and rules for everything.
00:44:43.923 --> 00:44:44.163
Yeah.
00:44:44.463 --> 00:44:44.983
Yeah.
00:44:45.123 --> 00:44:48.923
The film ends with a big dance number. Mia and all of her friends and the entire
00:44:48.923 --> 00:44:53.743
court of the kingdom of Genovia dance to Myra's Miracles Happen.
00:45:10.709 --> 00:45:14.829
But when filming the celebratory scene, they listen to Like a Prayer.
00:45:15.889 --> 00:45:22.389
That would have been fun. Yeah, you can actually see they had to do a bunch
00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:27.289
of takes because the actors kept mouthing the words to Like a Prayer on camera.
00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:32.689
And if you look, you can still see a little bit of people in the background singing Like a Prayer.
00:45:33.229 --> 00:45:36.149
That's amazing. I did not know that.
00:45:36.169 --> 00:45:36.489
It's cute, right?
00:45:36.689 --> 00:45:43.189
Yeah, it is cute. That kind of sets this conversation up for the end scene where
00:45:43.189 --> 00:45:50.569
everyone's dancing and Mia has kissed Michael Moskovitz and her and her foot pops,
00:45:50.629 --> 00:45:52.529
her foot pops, her foot pops.
00:45:52.529 --> 00:45:58.569
And so meaning that it's the right guy, the right kiss, and she's having her princess moments.
00:45:59.029 --> 00:46:05.929
But she's now on her way in that private jet you mentioned earlier at the top
00:46:05.929 --> 00:46:11.169
of the show, going to Genovia, getting ready for her coronation. They do do the robot.
00:46:12.464 --> 00:46:15.344
She does the robot, but just to show that she's still awkward.
00:46:15.384 --> 00:46:16.824
She's still awkward doing the robot.
00:46:17.104 --> 00:46:21.844
She's still awkward. Still awkward Mia. She's still silly. Straightened hair and no glasses.
00:46:21.924 --> 00:46:26.264
Can't take the girl out of the firehouse. Yeah.
00:46:26.804 --> 00:46:30.184
Yes, you can take the girl out of the firehouse, but the firehouse can't come out of the girl.
00:46:30.324 --> 00:46:35.924
Then we get this iconic, now made TikTok iconic line from Elizondo.
00:46:36.164 --> 00:46:36.884
Hector Elizondo. Joe.
00:46:37.124 --> 00:46:44.104
Yeah, Joe. Joe says to Mia, princess, look out the window and welcome to Genovia.
00:46:44.224 --> 00:46:49.324
And set to Miracles Happen, still playing.
00:46:49.644 --> 00:46:55.304
So this is how the movie ends. And we get this panoramic view of Genovia and the palace.
00:46:55.464 --> 00:47:02.864
And it's left to the viewer to imagine, oh, how beautiful is Mia's life going to be from now on?
00:47:02.864 --> 00:47:06.104
she's like gonna you know you just it just takes your whatever like
00:47:06.104 --> 00:47:08.944
little girl princess fan or a little boy a little boy or girl princess
00:47:08.944 --> 00:47:14.204
fantasy fantasy it was different but of course like it's like imagine the way
00:47:14.204 --> 00:47:18.944
that like little girls are talked about in cold like pop culture to like imagine
00:47:18.944 --> 00:47:22.644
their princess fairy tale wedding it's like the same kind of oh just just imagine
00:47:22.644 --> 00:47:26.964
how good and like they all sailed off into the sunset and everything is going
00:47:26.964 --> 00:47:28.444
to be perfect and good and,
00:47:28.924 --> 00:47:32.224
and now she's she's arrived right but this
00:47:32.224 --> 00:47:35.084
bit of dialogue and this moment in the
00:47:35.084 --> 00:47:38.084
movie has been completely co-opted by tiktok at this
00:47:38.084 --> 00:47:41.064
at this point plus uh myra's miracles happen
00:47:41.064 --> 00:47:47.804
if you believe to like subvert what like the death of the american dream yeah
00:47:47.804 --> 00:47:53.084
to so yeah to talk to actually like address the death of the american dream
00:47:53.084 --> 00:47:56.684
the death of the millennial dream because Because the millennials are the last
00:47:56.684 --> 00:47:59.564
generation to remember...
00:47:59.564 --> 00:48:01.404
To have any optimism whatsoever.
00:48:01.904 --> 00:48:07.904
Yeah, because we grew up in the 90s, it turns out the 90s were a blip,
00:48:07.904 --> 00:48:11.344
as we've discussed in previous podcasts. A blip of...
00:48:12.255 --> 00:48:14.915
Oh, racism and anti-Semitism are over.
00:48:15.015 --> 00:48:15.495
Yeah, we're good.
00:48:15.635 --> 00:48:20.775
And you can do anything you want with a college education. Don't worry about
00:48:20.775 --> 00:48:22.315
the cost. Just take out looks.
00:48:22.375 --> 00:48:26.355
Yeah, yeah. And I think that that's kind of like an echo of the 80s, right?
00:48:26.415 --> 00:48:33.435
The 80s was like this huge, this boondoggle of like, get as much money as possible.
00:48:33.795 --> 00:48:38.235
Find a house in the suburbs and like set up shop and it's going to be fine.
00:48:38.575 --> 00:48:43.875
Yeah, it's going to be fine. And so where Miracles Happen lives on TikTok is
00:48:43.875 --> 00:48:48.575
it's where people use the song to soundtrack like an earnest levity for major
00:48:48.575 --> 00:48:53.555
life events like weddings and subversive sarcasm.
00:48:53.735 --> 00:48:59.215
So millennials and Gen Z will use this bit of movie dialogue to like peer out the window.
00:48:59.235 --> 00:49:00.935
And instead of looking at a
00:49:00.935 --> 00:49:05.135
beautiful palace, they are looking at like the airport hotel parking lot.
00:49:05.135 --> 00:49:10.915
I want to go back to the robot for just a second when they're dancing.
00:49:11.175 --> 00:49:16.955
So, okay. This is like very Galaxy Brain. And I'm sure that this is not the
00:49:16.955 --> 00:49:18.475
connection that was intended.
00:49:18.835 --> 00:49:25.835
But every time I see, especially like a woman doing that kind of robot,
00:49:26.055 --> 00:49:29.415
it's not even a robot. It's just like these kind of big arms.
00:49:29.535 --> 00:49:34.055
It reminds me of the music box dance scene in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
00:49:35.135 --> 00:49:38.995
Oh, my God. Can I tell you how happy I am that you just brought that up?
00:49:39.675 --> 00:49:44.295
Because that's one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever, and I can do a pretty good impression of it.
00:49:44.415 --> 00:49:46.275
Oh, cool. That's horrifying.
00:49:46.615 --> 00:49:48.595
I know the whole song.
00:49:48.995 --> 00:49:56.095
I hate that for us. It was the reason that I remember it so deeply is because
00:49:56.095 --> 00:49:58.255
it was, like, traumatizing to me as a kid.
00:49:58.255 --> 00:49:58.895
Why is it traumatizing to you?
00:49:58.895 --> 00:50:00.775
I don't know. I have issues.
00:50:02.495 --> 00:50:04.815
That's okay. I told you about my ET trauma.
00:50:04.815 --> 00:50:09.615
You sure? I have actually heard that from like a handful of other people that
00:50:09.615 --> 00:50:11.275
they were traumatized by E.T.
00:50:11.355 --> 00:50:13.735
I was traumatized by E.T. for years.
00:50:13.975 --> 00:50:19.515
In interesting connections between Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and The Princess
00:50:19.515 --> 00:50:22.755
Diaries, Julie Andrews is not in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
00:50:23.035 --> 00:50:25.935
But she should have been. She almost was, right? Sally Ann Howells,
00:50:25.935 --> 00:50:30.075
yeah. It was the same year as Sound of Music.
00:50:30.375 --> 00:50:34.215
And it kind of suffered at the box office because...
00:50:35.608 --> 00:50:38.648
sound of music was like such a juggernaut it's like
00:50:38.648 --> 00:50:41.668
still one of the highest box office movies
00:50:41.668 --> 00:50:48.348
of all time but it also involves like traveling to this fake country i believe
00:50:48.348 --> 00:50:53.548
the country is just bulgaria but in in the in the movie it's like a country
00:50:53.548 --> 00:51:00.008
that doesn't really exist called bulgaria and like dancing in their court children.
00:51:00.008 --> 00:51:01.608
Are being like genocided.
00:51:01.608 --> 00:51:03.488
Yeah it's not great there Because they.
00:51:03.488 --> 00:51:06.088
Don't want children. Children are like the enemy.
00:51:06.448 --> 00:51:11.528
The character who dances is named Truly Scrumptious, which is also my drag queen name.
00:51:11.988 --> 00:51:19.088
And she has to dance in front of the court of the king of Bulgaria.
00:51:19.168 --> 00:51:24.228
So like contextually, it's like a very similar location that they're doing this dance.
00:51:24.428 --> 00:51:31.348
And so that's where my mind went was like, is this like a weird esoteric Chitty
00:51:31.348 --> 00:51:32.648
Chitty Bang Bang reference?
00:51:33.328 --> 00:51:34.888
Oh, my God. I mean, I...
00:51:34.888 --> 00:51:40.648
Oh, sorry. The country is Vulgaria. So it is not real.
00:51:41.328 --> 00:51:46.308
I still remember that, like, gothic, that, like, gothy guy who's, like...
00:51:46.308 --> 00:51:46.828
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:46.948 --> 00:51:54.488
Looks like the Babadook. Yeah, who, like, luring children, children, like, candy and all.
00:51:54.788 --> 00:51:55.028
Yeah.
00:51:55.308 --> 00:51:59.988
Everything's free today. The child catcher is his name. The child catcher. Robert Heltman.
00:51:59.988 --> 00:52:00.288
I
00:52:00.288 --> 00:52:03.608
Have done that impression for taylor a few.
00:52:03.608 --> 00:52:06.668
Times like children uh.
00:52:06.668 --> 00:52:13.788
But yeah that so many scenes from chitty chitty bang bang just like live in my brain.
00:52:13.788 --> 00:52:20.288
Yeah fully rent free or that vhs tape out as a kid and which is also probably
00:52:20.288 --> 00:52:26.448
why this like reminded me of it but yes sally Allie Ann Howells is the character in that scene.
00:52:26.608 --> 00:52:31.148
And she was great, but it has like very Julie Andrews vibes.
00:52:33.175 --> 00:52:34.355
What do you see?
00:52:34.775 --> 00:52:35.775
Oh, I hate it.
00:52:35.875 --> 00:52:38.095
You people gazing at me.
00:52:38.175 --> 00:52:40.115
I played the clip.
00:52:40.375 --> 00:52:44.615
You see a doll in a music box that's wound by a key.
00:52:44.675 --> 00:52:50.215
I hate to tell you this. So I played a clip to remind myself of it.
00:52:50.255 --> 00:52:52.715
And you were singing it in the exact right key.
00:52:52.915 --> 00:52:58.115
Because I've seen it so many times. Nailed it. How can you tell?
00:52:58.475 --> 00:53:00.875
But they're not dancing to that song either. They're dancing to.
00:53:01.195 --> 00:53:02.755
I'm sorry. You opened another music box.
00:53:02.755 --> 00:53:04.795
Yeah, just a real Pandora's music box.
00:53:04.855 --> 00:53:06.015
Yeah, I apologize.
00:53:06.415 --> 00:53:12.615
But they're dancing to Myra's Miracles Happen. So I didn't know anything about Myra.
00:53:12.655 --> 00:53:20.755
We should talk about Myra. We shouldn't let her be thrown by the wayside,
00:53:20.875 --> 00:53:24.675
as she kind of has been, I fear, by pop culture as a whole.
00:53:24.675 --> 00:53:31.895
I mean, Myra was when we think about Disney artists now, we think about like
00:53:31.895 --> 00:53:37.395
Hilary Duff, we think about Miley Cyrus, we think about Vanessa Hudgens and a lot of others.
00:53:37.455 --> 00:53:39.215
Those are a little after this.
00:53:39.635 --> 00:53:44.275
That's true. Well, that's why I'm saying that this is like Myra was like the first.
00:53:44.555 --> 00:53:44.895
Yes.
00:53:44.895 --> 00:53:50.815
Her trajectory determines the trajectory of a lot of bigger names,
00:53:51.135 --> 00:53:53.055
including like Demi Lovato.
00:53:53.055 --> 00:53:58.435
it like a whole because this is like if we're talking about the 2000s we tend
00:53:58.435 --> 00:54:06.355
to focus on 2003 and on yeah with disney performers but myra came first and this.
00:54:06.355 --> 00:54:11.775
Whole movie was like trying to set the template for what disney would do with
00:54:11.775 --> 00:54:14.335
their live action movies in the future including like.
00:54:14.335 --> 00:54:18.255
And shows and shows including like yeah we gotta make a g rating we gotta.
00:54:18.255 --> 00:54:20.655
Do all this of stuff let's bring in gary marshall.
00:54:20.655 --> 00:54:24.035
Right and i have kind of a bird's eye
00:54:24.035 --> 00:54:27.435
view of this like nickelodeon show
00:54:27.435 --> 00:54:31.035
like live action shows versus disney live
00:54:31.035 --> 00:54:33.795
action shows because i was a little
00:54:33.795 --> 00:54:40.195
too old so i wasn't fully plugged in to this phenomena but um as i understand
00:54:40.195 --> 00:54:46.395
it the like the The rise in like live action Nickelodeon shows really directly
00:54:46.395 --> 00:54:53.355
was like it had a competitor in Disney live action shows that that this movie,
00:54:53.435 --> 00:54:55.495
as you said, set the template for.
00:54:55.655 --> 00:54:59.935
It's also interesting. I don't know if you have any information on this,
00:54:59.995 --> 00:55:03.455
but it's like interesting that it's not Mandy Moore.
00:55:04.670 --> 00:55:08.230
Because mandy was 16 at the time.
00:55:08.230 --> 00:55:13.590
And this is his this is her first live action movie also so it's not like she's
00:55:13.590 --> 00:55:17.110
too big to she probably had just had a different record contract to be honest.
00:55:17.110 --> 00:55:21.950
Well yeah that's that's what i was about to say she probably she just she uh
00:55:21.950 --> 00:55:28.050
arrived on the scene like at the tail end of the 90s correct and she already
00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:31.270
had a hit with candy yeah she was on.
00:55:31.270 --> 00:55:34.590
Epic records which is columbia which is sony.
00:55:34.590 --> 00:55:40.330
So she already had probably a contract that determines a certain amount of records
00:55:40.330 --> 00:55:45.070
and her deal was probably only just beginning and would not.
00:55:45.070 --> 00:55:46.730
Let her go to disney like.
00:55:46.730 --> 00:55:48.650
They would have charged disney.
00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:51.390
Tens of millions of dollars to get her on the soundtrack.
00:55:51.390 --> 00:55:58.130
Looking back it's lucky for mandy that she wasn't like the first in in
00:55:58.170 --> 00:56:02.250
this role and for a few reasons because that igniting because well
00:56:02.250 --> 00:56:05.530
mandy i i theorize would probably have been
00:56:05.530 --> 00:56:10.430
treated a little bit better because because i see myra as having been like discarded
00:56:10.430 --> 00:56:17.870
i i my myra is yeah i mean for racial reasons partially because myra is a mexican
00:56:17.870 --> 00:56:23.570
american and uh mandy moore is like blonde and white and.
00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:26.610
She's in the movie people are gonna to ask her like.
00:56:26.610 --> 00:56:27.270
People are going.
00:56:27.270 --> 00:56:28.710
To talk to her about the movie.
00:56:28.710 --> 00:56:31.450
In in a much more.
00:56:31.450 --> 00:56:33.910
Significant way than they would search out.
00:56:33.910 --> 00:56:43.130
Right plus myra's first single miracles happen was um not written by myra sure
00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:48.550
it was not written by her it was like written by pam sheehan and elliot kennedy
00:56:48.550 --> 00:56:53.830
It had a Spanish version written by Marco Marianegli.
00:56:55.170 --> 00:56:55.750
Marianjeli?
00:56:56.550 --> 00:56:57.130
Marianjeli.
00:56:57.150 --> 00:56:57.410
Marianjeli.
00:56:58.050 --> 00:57:03.990
Marianjeli. It was so inextricably wound up with the Princess Diaries that,
00:57:04.030 --> 00:57:07.910
yes, it was on Myra's self-titled debut, which was released a year later.
00:57:09.650 --> 00:57:17.710
But having a song be like your debut single be that tied up in a movie, it kind of- It's tough.
00:57:17.710 --> 00:57:26.030
yeah like it's it it it sets a tough precedent for an unknown singer songwriter
00:57:26.030 --> 00:57:30.390
who is like it's still a teenager i mean how are you supposed to really move
00:57:30.390 --> 00:57:34.930
beyond that if the disney muscle doesn't continue to promote you which they
00:57:34.930 --> 00:57:37.010
didn't it's so interesting.
00:57:37.010 --> 00:57:47.330
Like it's so puzzling it maybe disney didn't figure out like how to fully exploit these pop stars Starz.
00:57:48.351 --> 00:57:56.071
Yet which well um this is a movie and then there's also like if you look at the other,
00:57:56.791 --> 00:57:59.451
like like singers not singer-songwriter but like
00:57:59.451 --> 00:58:02.351
like selena gomez and and uh
00:58:02.351 --> 00:58:06.091
hillary duff i mean they they're all on shows right
00:58:06.091 --> 00:58:10.971
like and shows have multiple seasons and multiple episodes where you can have
00:58:10.971 --> 00:58:16.891
multiple songs and you can really like drive in you can really like just just
00:58:16.891 --> 00:58:24.351
hone in on um on like the repetition of having an artist like each season they get a new song.
00:58:24.351 --> 00:58:26.091
Or each episode they get a new song like olivia.
00:58:26.091 --> 00:58:30.311
Rodrigo and high school musical yeah and you build a lot of lore around the
00:58:30.311 --> 00:58:34.831
artist and also myra wasn't on screen so there's that if myra if myra had been
00:58:34.831 --> 00:58:40.191
on screen maybe like to perform maybe maybe if she'd been like on stage singing
00:58:40.191 --> 00:58:44.531
the singing the song instead of just having the song in the background she it would have been Or yeah.
00:58:44.691 --> 00:58:48.671
Or she's one of the Lanettes or something, right? Like if that feels like a
00:58:48.671 --> 00:58:55.271
something that that the studio would demand these days would be like,
00:58:55.351 --> 00:58:56.851
okay, we've got the song tie in.
00:58:56.951 --> 00:59:00.931
You need to find three lines for Myra to say in the movie.
00:59:01.011 --> 00:59:08.571
Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So I think that Myra probably suffered just for lack
00:59:08.571 --> 00:59:13.191
of exposure beyond the this one needle drop at the end of the movie.
00:59:13.191 --> 00:59:16.831
But that's not that's not her only needle drop, right? Which is like really
00:59:16.831 --> 00:59:18.571
bizarre when I learned this.
00:59:18.811 --> 00:59:19.931
Oh, like in general?
00:59:20.031 --> 00:59:25.211
Yeah, yeah. So she had like one other single that was a needle was like a big needle drop in a movie.
00:59:25.411 --> 00:59:26.031
Dancing in the Street?
00:59:26.031 --> 00:59:26.311
Yeah.
00:59:26.391 --> 00:59:27.031
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:37.131 --> 00:59:42.251
yeah myra's debut album also features a cover of martha and the vendellas track
00:59:42.251 --> 00:59:47.391
dancing in the street which was also issued as a single to promote the disney
00:59:47.391 --> 00:59:53.931
film recess schools out so they kept they kept myra around for a little bit
00:59:53.931 --> 00:59:56.631
it sounds like and what a wild It's a wild cover.
00:59:56.631 --> 01:00:02.031
To have a 15-year-old do, considering the last two people that covered it were
01:00:02.031 --> 01:00:04.591
Freddie Mercury and, no,
01:00:04.831 --> 01:00:11.991
David Bowie and Mick Jagger, who just are running around with their hands in each other's pockets.
01:00:12.791 --> 01:00:16.931
Oh, yeah. It's like the most- It's very gay. It's the gayest,
01:00:16.931 --> 01:00:19.891
but the most fun. It's the most fun and the most gay.
01:00:19.891 --> 01:00:21.431
Gay, parenthesis, complimentary.
01:00:21.931 --> 01:00:25.811
So, so fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Highly complimentary. It's one of my favorite
01:00:25.811 --> 01:00:27.611
music videos I think I've ever seen.
01:00:27.771 --> 01:00:28.291
Yeah, super bizarre.
01:00:28.551 --> 01:00:34.391
Actually, I did not realize this because at this point, I think I'd switched over to watching.
01:00:34.531 --> 01:00:38.531
I don't remember this video being played on MTV at all.
01:00:38.671 --> 01:00:43.091
But the Miracles Happen video partially takes place.
01:00:43.551 --> 01:00:45.911
This was like a major, major...
01:00:49.717 --> 01:00:53.637
commercial selling point for the limited two.
01:00:53.777 --> 01:00:54.817
Oh, for the limited two?
01:00:55.317 --> 01:01:02.017
The limited two. So the video partially takes place at limited two at the shops
01:01:02.017 --> 01:01:03.897
at Buckland Hills Mall in Connecticut.
01:01:04.197 --> 01:01:08.597
And Myra's album was the first album to be sold there.
01:01:08.717 --> 01:01:08.997
Wild.
01:01:09.077 --> 01:01:16.897
So while there's one cross-marketing, cross-promotional branding opportunity
01:01:16.897 --> 01:01:22.637
with Disney, there's another like cross promotional branding opportunity with limited and heather.
01:01:22.637 --> 01:01:28.337
Moderato as lily moskowitz introduces the video she's like shut up and listen to.
01:01:28.337 --> 01:01:33.657
My video brought to you by the limited two question mark yeah and so the limited
01:01:33.657 --> 01:01:39.057
two was still really popular in the year 2000 as i recall though i don't know
01:01:39.057 --> 01:01:45.277
that it was super popular into the 2000s yeah i don't know Like into the 2000s,
01:01:45.277 --> 01:01:47.577
it became at some point, I think in like 2008,
01:01:47.817 --> 01:01:50.457
it became rebranded as Justine.
01:01:50.477 --> 01:01:53.277
Don't quote me on that exact on that exact year.
01:01:53.657 --> 01:01:56.937
But the limited to was was it.
01:01:58.217 --> 01:02:02.957
So I'm kind of watching the video on mute as we're as we're talking.
01:02:03.097 --> 01:02:05.557
And it is you're not joking.
01:02:06.177 --> 01:02:10.437
It is a commercial for the they walk into a limited to branding.
01:02:10.437 --> 01:02:15.857
very visible and they're like modeling the clothes for the limited to yeah.
01:02:15.857 --> 01:02:16.997
The limited to is where mirror.
01:02:16.997 --> 01:02:19.797
And they're also in front of like the uh
01:02:19.797 --> 01:02:23.177
jesse mcintyre joey mcintyre
01:02:23.177 --> 01:02:30.697
like carousel from his one video and showing clips from from the princess diaries
01:02:30.697 --> 01:02:36.237
it's see it so like you're right that it feels like a very proto version of
01:02:36.237 --> 01:02:40.177
what disney wound up doing with Selena Gomez, Maya Cyrus,
01:02:40.397 --> 01:02:43.437
Vanessa Hudgens, all these other people for the next decade.
01:02:43.697 --> 01:02:48.217
But they don't know quite how to actualize it yet.
01:02:48.257 --> 01:02:55.257
Yeah, they haven't quite dialed in their branding to the point that they will
01:02:55.257 --> 01:02:56.817
eventually dial in their branding.
01:02:57.197 --> 01:03:04.697
Myra, in retrospect, feels like a real prototypical model, a prototype for what will become.
01:03:04.697 --> 01:03:09.737
She's just as pretty as someone like Selena Gomez, right?
01:03:09.837 --> 01:03:15.757
It's not like she could not have been put through the Disney machine and made into a star.
01:03:15.937 --> 01:03:21.297
Yeah, but there really wasn't very much about Myra online other than,
01:03:21.297 --> 01:03:22.477
like, I found her TikTok.
01:03:22.497 --> 01:03:25.437
I found her Instagram. She still is a recording artist.
01:03:26.317 --> 01:03:33.357
She has a family now. But the most information about her that I could find was
01:03:33.357 --> 01:03:36.877
kind of tied up in Princess Diaries retrospectives.
01:03:36.877 --> 01:03:41.517
I mean, I hope that she gets a little little cash from that.
01:03:42.531 --> 01:03:48.271
I hope that her residuals are good enough that she doesn't have to worry about money forever.
01:03:48.791 --> 01:03:53.971
I hope not. But given what I've heard about Disney contracts,
01:03:54.491 --> 01:03:57.691
I would not be optimistic about that.
01:03:58.211 --> 01:04:04.231
Anyhow, despite live performances and several TV appearances,
01:04:04.671 --> 01:04:09.971
Myra failed to be a charting success and only appeared on the Top Heat Seekers
01:04:09.971 --> 01:04:11.851
chart, peaking at number 47.
01:04:11.851 --> 01:04:15.951
the album was met with mixed to positive reception uh
01:04:15.951 --> 01:04:20.871
from all music who which rated the album a three out of five stars so overall
01:04:20.871 --> 01:04:26.511
myra's career is kind of like a 2000 2001 teenage time yeah her career didn't
01:04:26.511 --> 01:04:30.551
really take off beyond the early 2000s so she is as i said still in the studio
01:04:30.551 --> 01:04:33.731
still performing as of the early 2020s yeah.
01:04:33.731 --> 01:04:40.971
She looks like she uh opened for aaron carter on his 2000 and 2001 tour which is like.
01:04:40.971 --> 01:04:42.471
Oh yeah that's that's a time.
01:04:42.471 --> 01:04:46.611
Capsule if i've ever heard of one yikes.
01:04:46.611 --> 01:04:54.171
Truly r.i.p p.s have you seen any of hbo docu-series no fallen idols so.
01:04:54.171 --> 01:05:00.251
My friend matt produced and like essentially directed uh or partially directed
01:05:00.251 --> 01:05:03.391
the lou perlman documentary the boy band.
01:05:03.391 --> 01:05:05.651
Con yeah and it has some interviews.
01:05:05.651 --> 01:05:12.091
With aaron in it and it is bleak it's like a couple years before he passed and
01:05:12.091 --> 01:05:16.071
it is so so evident that he is not doing well.
01:05:16.071 --> 01:05:21.871
Yeah it's it's really horrible because like the the docu-series fallen idols makes a case,
01:05:22.811 --> 01:05:25.671
for aaron it shows aaron to
01:05:25.671 --> 01:05:28.611
have stood up and like publicly for the women
01:05:28.611 --> 01:05:31.771
that nick carter allegedly abused and sexual and
01:05:31.771 --> 01:05:34.811
raped and the it shows
01:05:34.811 --> 01:05:38.151
how the the fan the fandom and
01:05:38.151 --> 01:05:45.351
the pushback online especially was so brutal like people telling aaron to relapse
01:05:45.351 --> 01:05:50.991
and and sending like cans of duster to his house because he has a huffing had
01:05:50.991 --> 01:05:58.111
a huffing addiction and um like basically praying for him to fall off the wagon.
01:05:58.111 --> 01:05:59.131
Which ultimately is...
01:05:59.131 --> 01:06:02.271
Basically OD, which ultimately happened. Yeah, so...
01:06:02.271 --> 01:06:07.851
That is such an interesting... So obviously we can go into like...
01:06:09.393 --> 01:06:16.493
rape culture we can talk kind of about what causes it from that angle but it's interesting how we,
01:06:17.993 --> 01:06:22.753
in in the pop culture space want
01:06:22.753 --> 01:06:26.653
to hold on to pleasant memories so hard
01:06:26.653 --> 01:06:29.553
because maybe they're so few and far between
01:06:29.553 --> 01:06:32.413
now that when we find
01:06:32.413 --> 01:06:35.353
out that someone we liked or admired
01:06:35.353 --> 01:06:39.653
when we were young like a nick carter did some
01:06:39.653 --> 01:06:42.593
indefensible things we like
01:06:42.593 --> 01:06:46.413
the cognitive dissonance is just like well that's not possible it's like every
01:06:46.413 --> 01:06:55.153
there's a vast conspiracy against nick carter or whoever to tear them down because
01:06:55.153 --> 01:06:59.233
the everything because the world is trying to take like the last thing that
01:06:59.233 --> 01:07:01.393
i believe in which is very weird i.
01:07:01.393 --> 01:07:06.653
Think that's a really fair reading exciting but that kind of ties back into
01:07:06.653 --> 01:07:10.773
the lifespan of what i was writing in in our document about the lifespan of
01:07:10.773 --> 01:07:17.333
miracles happen because to me that life cycle the lifespan represents uh the
01:07:17.333 --> 01:07:19.853
overall curdling of a millennial's big dreams.
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We grew.
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Up on a diet of disney princesses and being told that all you have to do is
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believe in yourself and you go on to do great things not to be a total downer
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but our adult years have been.
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Not that not.
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Not that they've with uh student debt inflation pandemics war recession both great and ordinary.
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I think that also is part of the life cycle of this movie or movies in general
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and where this this fits it in like the cinema landscape this is my like scorching
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take of the princess diaries is okay so this is
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a movie that was set out to be about teen girl wish fulfillment they they the
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studio actively courted it.
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This is, they wanted to start like a series of movies that were like.
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Teen girl wish fulfillment movies and it's also a pygmalion story
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as we mentioned and pygmalion stories
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are weird because they're not just like a reflection of like the the dorky girl
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who needs to be cooler or whatever but but the cool the thing that they're striving
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for is is a reflection of like society's norms right eliza do little needs to
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learn how to talk properly she goes to a
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fucking horse race or whatever mia thermopolis needs to
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learn how to deal with paparazzi and being
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in public and having her picture taken and that's
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like a facet of the book as you mentioned and in pretty woman it's the
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same but it's the the yuppie dream butting
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up against like the working poor and and
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so this type of
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wish fulfillment story died slowly between 9-11
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and the global financial crisis and was this
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is my this is my crazy take it was reborn as
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the hunger games right or
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divergent the wish fulfillment now is instead
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of fitting into society's standard this is the standards of society around them
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they're bringing about the collapse of society right the the capital in the
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hunger games so we still have this like chosen princess warrior character in
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Katniss or whoever's in Divergent or all those movies.
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And they're still the special one in a sea of sameness, just like Mia,
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just like, I can't remember Julia Roberts' name in Pretty Woman.
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Vivian. Vivian. Thank you.
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And their calling is not to lead society, but to destroy.
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dismantle it and so we are still seeing these stories just in with a very different outcome now.
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So if that if if the like special person special woman like the one.
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Like it's all based on ya novels the proverbial one.
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If that that was kind of like a post 9-11 post um great recession financial collapse the.
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Way we've seen it in the last 10 years yeah right.
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So do you think that that's still um.
01:10:28.801 --> 01:10:35.281
The case in i think we're good so we don't have those post those post-apocalyptic
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movies are not kings at the box office anymore we can look at like the way that
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fury road mad max fury road performed compared to furiosa there's like a lot
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of other factors involved in that too.
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But you know, if we're looking, if we're comparing apples to apples,
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um, so I don't quite know what the next version of wish fulfillment for teen
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girls is. I have, you have an idea.
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I have an idea, but I actually wasn't thinking so much of it.
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Maybe it's Yellow Jackets. Maybe it's just like eating their friends.
01:11:08.877 --> 01:11:12.537
Well, actually, I wasn't thinking about teen girls specifically,
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but more like youth culture.
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Okay, so I'm thinking about the horseshoe effect in Dune.
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Right?
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Where Paul Atreides starts out as like the one. And then he becomes Space Hitler.
01:11:29.257 --> 01:11:32.437
Yeah, it's like a subversion. it's like a subversion of of
01:11:32.437 --> 01:11:35.457
yeah one who's like gonna save us all and then
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actually it's gonna destroy everything so it's like a
01:11:38.077 --> 01:11:41.357
cautionary i think that's interesting so it's like it's like it's like watching
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someone rise up and then destroy everything because now they're space hitler
01:11:46.777 --> 01:11:51.617
and i think that might also be true for um like denarius targaryen and uh game
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of thrones because because that only just ended in like what 2018 yeah 2019 that's.
01:11:57.597 --> 01:12:01.997
Interesting is like Like, so instead of rising to greatness like a Katniss Everdeen,
01:12:02.297 --> 01:12:05.417
we are now just rejecting greatness, right?
01:12:05.517 --> 01:12:12.737
The true protagonist of Dune is someone like Chani, who's just like, yeah, I fit in society.
01:12:12.737 --> 01:12:13.617
I live my life.
01:12:13.697 --> 01:12:18.457
I don't have aspirations to start a war, you fucking weirdo.
01:12:19.297 --> 01:12:22.237
And also, like, I've been calling this out from the beginning.
01:12:22.357 --> 01:12:24.837
I've been warning you from the beginning, and now it's happening,
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and no one will listen to me.
01:12:25.477 --> 01:12:31.637
And that's also interestingly kind of discussed in a movie like Challengers.
01:12:32.417 --> 01:12:33.577
I don't know if you've seen Challengers yet.
01:12:34.277 --> 01:12:34.917
I have, yes.
01:12:34.957 --> 01:12:41.517
The idea of greatness and striving to attain this unattainable goal and whether
01:12:41.517 --> 01:12:48.977
or not that's a good idea is at the core of the conflict in a movie like that.
01:12:48.977 --> 01:12:57.757
So I think you're probably right, is that the new wave is rejecting the call to be the one. Fuck you.
01:12:58.697 --> 01:13:06.617
And to just re-evaluate success and greatness itself.
01:13:07.137 --> 01:13:14.657
As like a different metric. And Anne Hathaway still gets to be the cipher for
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wish fulfillment in a different way.
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She periodically dips her toes back into that pool with movies like The Devil
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Wears Prada and this year's The Idea of You,
01:13:25.077 --> 01:13:29.457
where she plays a 40-year-old single mother who gets into a secret relationship
01:13:29.457 --> 01:13:34.777
with a boy band star and like all movies these days was based on Harry Styles fan fiction.
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I'm reading the book right now i'll let you know how it how it is compared to the movie is fine.
01:13:42.870 --> 01:13:45.730
I thought it was okay i.
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Liked it i you know what okay i'm gonna be honest i love you hathaway i i wished
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i wished that it actually was could have been sexier i i agree because it It had some sexy run-ups,
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but then it did the camera cutaway.
01:14:04.330 --> 01:14:05.750
Yeah, the pan over the door.
01:14:05.990 --> 01:14:11.450
Yeah, yeah. And I was just like, how about a little showing the actual sex?
01:14:12.330 --> 01:14:14.030
Just show us the actual sex.
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I don't love that guy. The actor in The Idea of You, Nicholas Galzatine?
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Galz-sign?
01:14:26.710 --> 01:14:28.330
It's like Galaxine?
01:14:29.170 --> 01:14:32.850
Galaxine, I think? Do you think he's the right guy for the role?
01:14:33.230 --> 01:14:36.830
I also didn't particularly love him in Red, White, and Royal Blue.
01:14:37.630 --> 01:14:38.510
There's like something.
01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:39.790
Oh, I haven't seen that.
01:14:39.870 --> 01:14:41.470
It's not as good as the idea of you.
01:14:41.610 --> 01:14:50.750
I liked him. I especially liked him at the end of the idea of you where he's got this like.
01:14:50.870 --> 01:14:52.170
The scruff is way better. yeah.
01:14:52.170 --> 01:15:00.450
He to me he looks just like uh uh uh ethan hawke in in reality.
01:15:00.450 --> 01:15:01.670
Sure where.
01:15:01.670 --> 01:15:05.910
He's been like he's been like kicked around a little bit he's a little bit you
01:15:05.910 --> 01:15:08.290
know rough rough around the edges and like tossed through the.
01:15:08.290 --> 01:15:11.010
Dryer i and now i agree with you that at the
01:15:11.010 --> 01:15:14.950
end i can see him as that guy i
01:15:14.950 --> 01:15:18.390
don't didn't really see him in the and this is like a me problem i
01:15:18.390 --> 01:15:21.550
just like couldn't connect to it i was like fan casting
01:15:21.550 --> 01:15:24.790
with my wife leanne and we it was
01:15:24.790 --> 01:15:27.470
her idea that the that manny jacinto should have
01:15:27.470 --> 01:15:31.210
been in that role which i think is a perfect managed
01:15:31.210 --> 01:15:34.810
jacinto should be in every role yeah yeah
01:15:34.810 --> 01:15:38.170
you're entitled i'm entitled to my opinion and that's
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manny jacinto love you buddy princess
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diaries did really well it made nearly 170 million
01:15:44.670 --> 01:15:47.550
dollars in 2001 which was a bit of a rough movie
01:15:47.550 --> 01:15:50.990
year at the end for some reason oh yeah
01:15:50.990 --> 01:15:54.090
whatever reason people really go into movies in
01:15:54.090 --> 01:15:57.310
september october of 2001 and it spawned
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a sequel princess diaries 2 royal engagement um
01:16:00.810 --> 01:16:05.190
but the film princess diaries 1 only has about 50 percent of rotten tomatoes
01:16:05.190 --> 01:16:08.850
which tracks when you remember the disdain that movie critics have for anything
01:16:08.850 --> 01:16:13.450
that seems to be targeting teenage girls real engagement by the way only has
01:16:13.450 --> 01:16:18.970
a 26 percent on rotten tomatoes knows yikes but has a screenplay by Shonda Rimes.
01:16:20.882 --> 01:16:23.822
Why and yeah although gary.
01:16:23.822 --> 01:16:27.602
Marshall passed away in 2016 incidentally the
01:16:27.602 --> 01:16:32.582
same year that touchstone pictures folded in november of 2022 disney announced
01:16:32.582 --> 01:16:37.962
that it was developing princess diaries 3 and soon after that anne hathaway
01:16:37.962 --> 01:16:44.382
announced that she'd be returning as mia thermopolis rinaldi i guess miracles really do happen.
01:16:44.382 --> 01:16:48.882
You just have to believe you just have to to believe when they should.
01:16:48.882 --> 01:16:52.022
Bring back myra justice for myra.
01:16:52.022 --> 01:16:54.522
Let her re-record.
01:16:54.522 --> 01:16:55.822
This give her some money.
01:16:55.822 --> 01:17:03.662
Yes bring back myra get her involved and uh also by the way maybe bring i have
01:17:03.662 --> 01:17:07.902
i don't know what the plot is but i have an idea for a plot what's your pitch your.
01:17:07.902 --> 01:17:09.382
Pitch for princess diaries 3.
01:17:09.382 --> 01:17:14.262
Here's my pitch okay my pitch is that okay so i'm thinking of like millennial
01:17:14.262 --> 01:17:17.002
midlife crises right she's well i have.
01:17:17.002 --> 01:17:17.942
Some bad news for you.
01:17:17.942 --> 01:17:24.182
We don't get a midlife crisis because we never we're not gonna retire we're
01:17:24.182 --> 01:17:28.942
never gonna retire um because okay so this is a little bit more like traditional
01:17:28.942 --> 01:17:34.482
midlife crisis but say say she's married to chris pine or whatever i don't yeah,
01:17:36.260 --> 01:17:40.820
No, but she reconnects with Michael Moskovitz, both of whom,
01:17:40.900 --> 01:17:45.940
and so, but they've both been like, I'm going to use the dryer metaphor again.
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.760
They've both been tossed to the dryer of life. They're both a little worse for the wear.
01:17:49.980 --> 01:17:55.400
They both have like, they're like midlife baggage, and they find like refuge
01:17:55.400 --> 01:17:57.820
at each other, and they should have been together all along.
01:17:57.820 --> 01:18:00.980
Are you just pitching the idea of you, but with Rooney?
01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:06.320
No, because in this universe, he's not a musician. he like gave up his he like
01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:10.500
gave up his musician dreams to go do something more non-musician he's still.
01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:12.300
A mechanic and.
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Also they're they're the same age i think it's not an age gap i think unfortunately.
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:24.940
This new one will uh focus on like a new teen girl these movies are for teen girls.
01:18:24.940 --> 01:18:30.980
They're gonna get they're gonna give her a dollar yeah oh it's so it's so it's
01:18:30.980 --> 01:18:32.660
so it's gonna be like Like Beetlejuice.
01:18:32.660 --> 01:18:37.680
Yeah, yeah. It's going to be like a Beetlejuice or whatever other torch passing
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Star Wars-y kind of thing.
01:18:41.780 --> 01:18:42.440
I'm sorry.
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:42.840
You're right.
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Still Justice for Michael Moskowitz. I'll turn my key on that.
01:18:46.460 --> 01:18:47.820
Justice for Michael Moskowitz.
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If there's one thing you take away from this podcast, Justice for Michael Moskowitz.
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Floppy hair forever.
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