Praying Backwards: Can Our Prayers Reach the Past?

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Hello, I'm Ellen Binns, coming today from Wheaton, Illinois in the USA.
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and tune in with something many of us, and I pretty much guarantee most of us,
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may know only a little about, and see where we might hone in with our prayers and intentions.
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And as we record, it's September 23rd, 2026.
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So officially autumn or fall in the Northern Hemisphere and spring in the Southern.
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Beginning to feel a little bit autumnal where I am actually.
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I haven't noticed many leaves falling yet, but that will happen soon, I'm sure.
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But you know, a lot of our listeners are in the Southern Hemisphere. So happy spring to you.
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Indeed. Both are good times of year, aren't they?
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I think. So a couple of weeks ago when we focused on 9-11, we raised the intriguing
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possibility that we may be able to send in tension and pray retrospectively.
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In other words, to have our attention set on the circumstances being faced by
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people and events that have already played out.
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We offered some examples in our episode that we did on 9-11 relating to what
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happened on that day 25 years ago.
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In this episode, we explore the possibility that retrospective prayer works.
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Consider what different faith traditions have to say on the matter and reflect
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on the implications for how we approach intention-holding and prayer.
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And I imagine when we're talking about prayer here, probably some of the same
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ideas around entanglement being transcendent of time and space, essentially.
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Are going to apply as well. Certainly, we know they would not transcend,
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can certainly defy the rules of normal travel across space.
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So, what are we talking about? To start with, we should clarify what we're talking about.
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One distinction that we should make is between retrospective prayers that are
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intended to change an already settled historical fact.
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For example, asking that an accident that's known to have occurred to not occur,
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and separately, prayers that will for help, grace, protection,
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or mercy, or support to be given at an earlier moment,
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for people or indeed any sentient being.
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In this case, for those who have faith, a fundamental understanding may be that
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God is not limited by linear times.
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It's this second meaning that we'll mainly be talking about in this episode,
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and that's a perspective that
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doesn't require us imagining a past that's continually being rewritten.
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However, we will consider that possibility too.
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So, what do faith traditions have to say about retrospective prayer?
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One useful starting point for our inquiry might be to look at what the major
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faith traditions have to say about the possibility that time can be transcended
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in how prayers are received and enacted.
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Notions of God's ability to transcend time and space may apply,
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especially if we see them as intermediary for hearing and responding to our prayers.
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We realize that not all listeners will associate with this idea,
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and this includes some whose faith doesn't personalize God or have comparable
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notions of divinity to, say, those of the Abrahamic faiths.
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We're also limiting our attention to a notion of prayer that involves a level
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of co-partnering with or petitioning the divine with a specific request.
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We know that some notions of prayer and specifically more secular descriptions of intention-holding
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suggest that what we will for happens much more directly, for example,
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between the energetic fields, consciousness, or hearts and souls of two individuals.
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Yet with this view too, intention-sending might have effect retrospectively.
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Here, ideas around entanglement in quantum mechanics may be interesting to consider.
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This is a concept that we've occasionally spoken about in past episodes,
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the curious condition in which two or more particles share one joint quantum state.
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So measurements on them show correlations that cannot be explained as each particle
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carrying their own independent properties.
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This phenomenon can exist across very large distances in the cosmos,
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challenging ordinary ideas about locality.
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That is, the expectation that distant systems can influence one another only
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through nearby traveling causes.
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Entanglement, therefore, transcends distance in the sense that its correlations
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aren't weakened simply by separation in space.
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I'm going to say that again because I think that's really important.
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Correlations aren't weakened simply by separation in space.
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However, this in itself doesn't show that intention and prayers can alter an
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already recorded past event.
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Delayed choice experiments may look retro-casual, but standard quantum physics
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explains their correlations without backward-in-time signaling or causation.
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It doesn't preclude this, but it doesn't assume it either.
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Yeah, it's not proven, is it? No. I guess it's very hard to prove. It's not possible.
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But there is some interesting stuff happening around this, and they're relating
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that entanglement and non-locality to time traveling.
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And this is where we— So, yeah.
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Yeah. This is where the whole idea of theoretical physics gets interesting,
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isn't it? But there are things we don't believe we can prove.
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Right. wherever you can design the experiments that are going to satisfy others.
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But we need to hold open these possibilities, really.
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So what about the different faith traditions? What do they have to say about
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praying for past events and indeed
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the transcendent nature of God or other powers of work in the cosmos?
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In Judaism, classical rabbinic teaching doesn't restrict but appears to criticize prayers for the past.
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Mishnah Birakot 9 verse 3 calls a request to alter an event that has already
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happened, a vain prayer,
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giving examples such as praying that a known pregnancy result be different or
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that cries already heard shouldn't be a concern.
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The underlying emphasis is to accept reality. while prayer may still express
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grief, repentance, compassion, or a wish to respond in a godly manner in the present moment.
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Notably, the focus in this teaching is more on wanting to change something we don't like.
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And despite the restriction, in Jewish belief, there is at least one sense in
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which the past can be changed.
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This is where teshuvah, that is repentance or return, cannot not erase a historical
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act, but it can transform its moral and spiritual meaning by changing a person's
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present life, repairing harm where possible,
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and reorienting their relationship with God.
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I think there's a similar concept in the so-called wisdom teaching of Christianity
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as well, the idea of transforming the whole human being.
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And indeed, among Christian denominations, there's no single universal position
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on whether prayers can have impact on earlier times.
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In the way that there is a widespread support for prayers having impact on what
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may be happening now or in the future.
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Catholic and some other theologians argue that, since God is eternal,
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he, she can know a later prayer and apply its intended benefit at an earlier point in time.
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While some theologians reject the idea of retrospective prayer,
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the Catholic Church itself has made no definitive ruling on prayer's efficacy.
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Logos, the originating word or vibration, if you like the creating principle
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or divine intention, might also
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be seen as not just happening in the beginning or in the eternal past,
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but as being alive and creating now.
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In traditional Christian belief, it is, after all, timeless The same today, yesterday, and forever.
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We could say a lot about this, such as how those who are in Christ can play
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their part in the continuing creation and power of Logos, complete with its
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ability to transcend time.
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However, that would open up some pretty deep theological and philosophical arguments
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and might need to wait for another day.
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Indeed, in my case, for another brain, I think. Yes, I believe it would.
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Yes, it can kind of bend the mind, all of this.
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It can. And it's interesting, actually, when you do start looking at,
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I mean, theologians often are philosophers, aren't they?
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They may be inspired to offer a view or an exposition on a scripture,
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for example, but at the end of the day, a lot of this comes down to thought, what they believe.
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Exactly, and it's one of those things that you think about, and you think.
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If God, if the divine is omnipotent, then yeah, this should be able to happen,
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but then it's so difficult for us to really imagine it in our limited human minds.
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Time itself, I think, is a difficult concept for us to wrap our minds around,
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as far as what physics, quantum mechanics is finding out about time,
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and, well, like we said, we could do a whole other episode on that.
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And I think also a lot of, certainly my experience, many people I talk with
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from Christian faith particularly.
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Do tend to not necessarily restrict their understanding, but don't go very far
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beyond the idea of, yes, we can receive spirit and we can be immersed in spirit and in that way,
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have inspiration and a sense of God's presence.
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But the idea is that there are different layers of consciousness that we can
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experience, some of which are transcendent.
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The idea that we are more than our physical bodies and this experience of Holy
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Spirit, let's call it, or what's going on within our waking consciousness.
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The fact we may have ethereal bodies, for example, kind of doesn't really get mentioned very much.
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One of the reasons I find things like the.
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Story of the transfiguration of Jesus, and indeed there was a Moses when he
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came down the mountain, his face was shining like pure light.
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I find these very interesting because they're pointing to something that's beyond
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what we understand and ordinarily experience.
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And it's good to stretch our minds like that and our beliefs.
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So that's kind of the point of our episode today, to get people to think outside
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the time box, outside the clock. How about that?
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Brilliant. So, furthermore, according to the timeless eternity view of some
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theologians, in which God is timeless, knowing all moments of history together,
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God could have eternally known that we would later pray and could have included
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that prayer among the means by which consolation,
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courage, protection, or grace was given at a moment that, from humans' eyes,
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took place in the world. the past.
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According to this view, a prayer made now could be understood as a real petition
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for mercy at a suffering person's earlier moment.
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We can pray for those held in Nazi concentration camps, for children awaiting evacuation in wartime,
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and our now past ancestors who suffered ill health, lost babies at birth,
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or who struggled to feed their families.
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However, other Christian theologians object that a prayer cannot make what is
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known to have happened unhappen.
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They distinguish God's transcendence of time from what they see as enabling
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contradictions in history.
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However, this doesn't say anything about the meaning of retrospective prayer
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that we're focused on, that if we appeal for, say, someone's suffering to be
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relieved in a past situation,
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God can honor that prayer, even though we do not know what the experience of
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the person we are praying for actually was.
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The event happened, or an experience was experienced.
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Yet whether or not that experience was influenced by what we pray for now is
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not something such critics can be sure about.
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That is, not if they really trust that God is capable of enabling anything.
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It's interesting, isn't it? Mm-hmm.
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I was thinking just then, I was reminded of a beautiful illustration which stuck
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in my mind, this idea of timeless eternity, which I must admit before researching
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this episode is not something I'd come across.
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But a while ago, I took part in a series of workshops led by a Jewish Shabad
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rabbi based in Montreal on Kabbalah.
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Which is a topic I love, the Jewish mystical school, I think he was talking
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about life reviews, near-death experiences, and the idea that in a kind of mystical
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experience, you can see a lot of things all at once. Everything becomes very clear.
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But at the same time, you can be focused on a particular snapshot of what was
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going on in your life. So in other words, you could put it in context with everything.
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And he described this as what he thought would be like if you had an old spall
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of movie film, 16mm or 8mm or whatever, which I guess younger listeners might not know.
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Look it up. Look it up. But the way that a moving image would get projected,
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of course, was a whole series of snapshots, essentially, that I think 16 frames
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a second or something like that in an 8mm film.
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And her brain would fill in some of the gaps to create the movement.
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And he said it was a little bit like, so you have on this spool of film hundreds
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of individual snapshots, but of course you're seeing a moving picture as well.
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And he said it was almost like you can imagine a projectionist,
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again, concept from the past, where the film would be dropped on the floor and
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the whole spool would unravel.
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And you'd see all of these hundreds of little images at once,
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but know as well that there was the story, as it were, running through them.
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There was kind of like an essence.
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I thought that was a brilliant way of describing this. Because it almost gives
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you then, well, does God or can God, whatever your faith, see everything that way?
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And of course the answer has to be yes, if they are. Well, it's so confusing
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because, you know, there's the theory of predestiny.
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And then there's the theory of free choice.
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And I don't know where I stand on all that.
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Exactly. Now, in Islam, the concept of do-are is important. This is commonly
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understood as a real means or divine decree through which God brings about good.
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Many Sunni Islam accounts distinguish God's absolute eternal decree from conditional
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or apparent outcomes in human life.
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Prayer can then be one of a number of divinely ordained means associated with an outcome.
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However, this isn't usually framed as humans revising the past,
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but as God's timeless decree encompassing both the prayer and its result,
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similar to the Christian notion of timeless eternity that we've just mentioned.
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Hindu traditions present much diversity around the possibility to influence past experiences.
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Karma is often understood as being morally consequential across time,
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through which energetic imprints are rebalanced according to our current intentions and actions.
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How we think and act today can essentially remove any legacy of heaviness we
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carry from past actions.
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Significantly, too, in several major Hindu philosophical traditions,
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especially the Upanishads and Advaita Vedanta,
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the Atman, or eternal, unchanging, witnessing self, isn't considered to be located within physical time.
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Rather, it's understood to be beyond birth, death, and time.
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This is really our true high self.
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As such, this connection with
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the real essence of a person might be understood as transcending time.
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If we can appeal to the Atman through our prayers, typically for Hindus,
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with the intervention of a deity,
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logically, time shouldn't constrain the effectiveness of our appeal.
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There's no expiry date, as it were, on when we may pray.
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Buddhist traditionists tend to focus on the well-being, liberation,
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and the karmic welfare of beings rather than on reversing historical events.
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Generally, Buddhist doctrine doesn't see that a prayer out of now can travel
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back to alter someone's already lived suffering.
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Still, the state of bliss that's
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beyond the world of illusions has no time boundaries to constrain it.
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Despite these mixed and generally restrictive takes of the different faith traditions
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on the ability for prayers made now to have effect historically,
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many do accept that God or spiritual power can and does transcend time.
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Whether this power is understood to be a personalized creator or is perceived
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as an impersonal ground or unconditioned liberation,
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there's a common sense that there is an ultimate reality that's beyond ordinary
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time, space, and material limitations.
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Thus, Jews generally regard God as not being spatially bounded,
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while classical Christianity typically teaches that God is timeless,
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with time and space belonging to creation.
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Classical Islamic theology likewise describes Allah as being uncreated and unlike
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created things, taking various philosophical positions on the precise relationship
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between God, time, and the temporal world.
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Many Hindu schools regard Brahman as the ultimate reality beyond ordinary distinctions
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and change, with some devotional schools, understanding the supreme divine as
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being both transcendent of the cosmos and present with it.
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For Sikhs, this strong transcendence and immanence belief also applies,
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whereas for Buddhists, as we just mentioned, nirvana isn't produced by casual conditions.
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Also in Taoism, the Tao is an ultimate generative principle that precedes and
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underlies named things, rather than a personal creator god.
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The shared theme that we might note from all of these is that ultimate reality
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is not bound by chronological experience in the way that human lives are.
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If the traditions differ considerably on whether directing our prayers to past
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circumstances is either effective or even wise.
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So, what evidence is there to support the efficacy of retrospective prayer?
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Is there, then, any evidence that retrospective prayer can have effect?
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Here, there's a huge difficulty for researchers, as we mentioned earlier,
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to design experiments that allow this to be rigidly tested.
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Applying the trusted approaches of the scientific method is a problem.
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However, we might mention one or two examples of those who've tried.
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Perhaps the best-known example of such research is in clinical research.
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This is work undertaken by Israeli researcher Leonard Lebovici and reported
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in a 2001 edition of the British Medical Journal.
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In the trial he designed, Lebovici randomly assigned over 3,000 former patients
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who had experienced bloodstream infection years earlier to retrospective intercessionary
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prayer or control groups.
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The patient's infection records dated from 1990 to 1996, while prayers were said for them in 2000.
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The main finding of the study was that those who were prayed for by the prayer
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group had statistically shorter hospital stays and fever duration,
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but their mortality rates weren't significantly different to the control group.
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In other words, the study didn't provide sufficiently strong evidence that prayer
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changes the past if it offered some indication of effect.
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Linwa Taggart, who we've often mentioned in this podcast as a pioneer and prominent
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exponent of intention work, has also written and spoken about what she calls
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retro intention or time-traveling intention.
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This is the belief that an intention
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that we form now may affect a past physiological response or event.
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This includes applying intention in a therapy setting as part of her Heal the
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Path Past Model, which she developed with her husband, Brian Hubbard,
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and which includes focused intention exercises to help participants rewrite
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the emotional charge of past traumas that continue to affect them.
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McTaggart also cites research conducted by parapsychologist Dean Rading and
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Brazilian psychologist Fatima Regina Mercado and Wellington Zangari.
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In one experiment conducted by them, Brazilian Umbanda mediums sent healing
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intentions to physiological recording sessions that had occurred two months earlier in Las Vegas.
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The authors reported statistical differences in some involuntary measures between
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intended treatment and control periods.
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However, such claims remain highly contested in academic circles,
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and they haven't become widely accepted within mainstream psychology and clinical circles.
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This, in part, is due to the difficulty of establishing research methods that
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allow such experiments to stand up to logical scrutiny and easily be replicated.
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That, of course, is often the nature of anything that sits outside the bounds
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of normality, including what we understand as the boundaries of time and space.
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Yeah, don't you just wonder if in 20 years this is something that,
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you know, we couldn't conceive of AI.
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No. We couldn't, there's so many things we couldn't conceive of,
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or even phones that carried everything we need in our life in a small, tiny computer.
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So, I just wonder what the next few years are going to bring in this research.
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That's going to be interesting.
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So, given the mixed views among faith traditions and the limited evidence offered
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for retrospective prayer by researchers, can we then actually change past events?
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With the benefit of hindsight, we can obviously know what happened in particular circumstances.
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On first glance, this would appear to preclude the possibility that we could
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actually change past events. For example, in the case of what happened on 9-11,
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we know the planes were flown into the Twin Towers.
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Might it be possible that if many people, having sufficient sincerity and energy
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in their intention, prayed that those attacks didn't happen,
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even if those prayers were made after the event,
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that history would have been altered? Hmm.
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This, of course, is a question that we can't answer, since we can't assess whether
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the movement created by such prayer would have been sufficient to persuade the
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hijackers on those planes to change their intention, and so the course that played out.
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That people may in later years have prayed for what outcome given that they
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know that the attacks actually happen also seems unlikely.
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For most of us, it would defy logic to try.
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And those who might believe that changing past events might be possible,
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would not be able to name a specific event unless it had actually been reported
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or otherwise became known to them, such as through a premonition or some other supranational means.
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Once something is recorded in history, the outcome that played out is of course known.
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In other words, if it were possible to move the hearts and minds of the hijackers
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by praying at any time before and after what happened on 9-11,
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we would need to have a reason for holding attention for that specific situation and time,
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but logically wouldn't will for a different outcome if we already knew what
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had happened. Here's the loop.
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This may be what the rabbis we mentioned earlier might call a vain prayer.
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If we didn't know the outcome, but did know an event, then it could be that
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the outcome that resulted was influenced by the power of our later prayers.
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The catch-22 is that typically, if we know about an event, we're likely to also know the outcome.
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This is one reason this idea can be such a mind-bender.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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It's hard for us to imagine. It is. I actually was talking literally only
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earlier today, in fact, not on this particular topic, but she's raised,
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well, yeah, she did mention it earlier in the meeting I was in briefly,
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to a lady, and I'm sure she's not alone, who essentially had a premonition of 9-11.
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It was really quite strong and surprising and unusual for her.
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But yeah just just a day or two really before it all happened so there are people that do know,
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kind of well and maybe there were the people who had those premonitions and
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perhaps they said to somebody hey you know don't go to work today or you know
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so who knows what happened because of those premonitions that,
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inner feeling that tells you yeah absolutely,
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i've also wondered You know, you hear people tell stories and where they had,
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an energy to do something.
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They felt a calm about them.
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They, you know, they might think it was angels who was helping them.
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And it might have been. It could have been.
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Could it be this prayer? These prayers that, you know, we send back that they
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feel at the time? Who knows?
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I know it's beyond our logic. That is quite a thought, isn't it?
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Still, if we do believe that the energy we radiate can have both a powerful
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impact and transcend time, then we might accept that anything we ask for has or had effect,
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and so hearts and minds could have been convicted as a result.
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One implication of this seems to be that we may want to pray and hold in attention
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to potential events that we don't know about, any act of terrorism,
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for example, occurring anywhere and at any time,
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but not yet known about or being reported in the public domain.
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It's perfectly possible that the prayers of many on 9-11 itself did prevent
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other atrocities that we are unaware of, because they didn't then happen.
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For example, these might include prayers offered for passengers on other planes
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that may have been weaponized that weren't being reported,
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or plans for other terrorist action that in the event didn't happen because
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the terrorists had a change of heart or some event intervened to prevent their
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carrying out their plans.
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Of course, this is something we can never know.
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This is different to the kind of retrospective prayer where we now know where
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people were in a particular circumstance but don't know how they were reacting in the moment.
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Hence, we may ask that those on the plains or seeking to rescue those trapped
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in the towers are, or were, supported through their time of great fear,
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for example, or that those who die transitioned with serenity and gentleness.
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Exactly what you were saying, the feelings they may have had at the time.
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Perhaps even retrospective prayer for such situations is especially important,
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because at the actual time of the event, we and others who might offer prayers
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weren't necessarily aware of what was happening at the time.
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This kind of retrospective prayer might then be seen even as a responsibility
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for those of us who can offer it with the benefit of hindsight.
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In the case of the 9-11 attacks, to use this example once more,
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there was some knowledge of hijacks,
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taking place in real time, especially as phone messages were exchanged with
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some passengers on board the
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planes that had been hijacked after the first plane flew into the tower.
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However, what was happening generally occurred so quickly and so shockingly,
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that in the moment few people would have been engaged in praying for those on
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board the planes that crashed.
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Certainly, at the very moment, right until impact, it wasn't known that these
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crashes would actually occur,
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or whether the only planes where passenger telephone messages reported hijackings
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were the only ones that were, or were about to be, weaponized.
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What could be recognized and anticipated for in real time was what happened in the aftermath.
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For example, the terror of those escaping the towers, and for the courage and
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grave danger faced by rescue workers in their response.
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That very much could be prayed for in real time, even while events were still unfolding.
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We did say this was a mind-bender, but really interesting, isn't it?
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And potentially very important, as you say, that if people were,
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they had some comfort or they had some reassurance in the moment.
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Perhaps that's because people were praying later.
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You know, respective prayers were really important. So maybe we become angels
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if we're retrospective prayer is a way of being an angel. I just made that up.
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Okay. What we believe retrospective prayer can do is move individuals,
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irrespective of the time and intention or prayer is offered.
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This means that, energetically, they may be stirred by or made aware of what
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is being communicated to them, which may include healing energy,
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comforting, or a strong perception of what is the highest good.
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As such, we believe that the intentions we now communicate will have been received
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and heard in the past, as much as those willed for someone in a future event
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also have effect beyond what is happening in the current.
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Moment that said thinking of the future
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is a little different in the sense that actions mindsets and wills that are
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conditioned now may then enable
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or create the conditions for some desired future circumstance to occur,
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well a little outside the scope of this episode we might also mention the power
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of intention holding across parallel universes and the multiverse you know i
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love this stuff which disrupts conventional ideas about time and space,
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this includes the idea that the plane that we operate on and are conscious of
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is not the only dimension for what plays out in the cosmos,
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indeed there may be infinite possible universes and far deeper levels of consciousness
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and frequencies of existence of which we're unaware of not yet capable of bearing
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including some that transcend time,
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in a previous episode we looked at the theories about the multiverse and parallel
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universes and how these relate to the theoretical quantum physics entanglement and intention holding,
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we'll include the link for this in the show notes in case you want to listen
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back another mind bender right that was that was a good one yeah yeah.
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One common idea that relates to parallel universes is that different sequences
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of events can play out in multiple ways,
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both in the present linear time and historically, driven by many minute changes
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of intention that are occurring in every moment.
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This is a bit complex, which is why we gave it a deep dive in a special episode.
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And like much of what we've been talking about today, can be hard to get your head around.
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I do love the idea. There's some scientists who believe that everything is happening
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at the same time, the past, the present, the future.
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It's almost like a spiral that's laid next to each other. And there are people
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who feel like you can jump to different time zones and stuff. Yeah, yeah.
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It's fascinating, isn't it? So what might be the implications of all this?
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We might ask then about the implications for how we pray and hold intention.
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Are there any constraints that might limit what we can do?
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And might there be any guidelines we might want to keep in mind when praying
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or sending intention retrospectively?
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We've already mentioned that because we have the benefit of hindsight that others
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didn't have in the moment, one possible invitation we have is to see that we
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can pray for those whose situations we know about, even if what they were experiencing isn't known to us.
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This seems especially important for us to consider when we become aware of such
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incidents, including those that may have occurred very recently.
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For example, we may pray for the serene holding of individuals who have just
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become trapped under rubble caused by an earthquake, even if at the time of
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our prayer they may either have perished or been rescued.
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In other words, we needn't restrict our prayers to what we know or believe is happening now.
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In terms of how we might be guided in our prayers, one obvious principle that
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we believe still applies when praying retrospectively is respecting the free
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will of every individual.
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This means that we can appeal to hearts and minds but not override an individual's volition.
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If a dictator hears our appeal for mercy, yet chooses to ignore it,
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that is for their conscience to decide.
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Albeit, it's hard to imagine a conscience that refuses mercy not doing so without
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difficulty, if what we have willed for has stirred a measure of compassion within them.
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Since the free will principle underlies what we ask for, at least where people
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are involved at the center of our intentions, we cannot be sure that what we
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ask for now will move them to change a decision that they would otherwise have made.
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Yet, we might believe that such movements of heart and mind often will have turned their hand.
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We might also seek to pray or offer intention retrospectively without trying to dominate the past.
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For example, we might say, may the person we will intention for receive,
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or have received, we get trouble with our tenties here, which one we should
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use, every comfort, protection, and holding possible in that moment.
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Or, may they be healed, even if the healing only occurred when they took decisions
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of their own, perhaps at a later date.
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Another point of good practice when praying retrospectively might be that we
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remember to avoid judging what happened in the past because of how we do or don't pray.
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For example, believing that a tragedy happened because someone failed to pray
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adequately after the event. You don't want to get into that.
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Intuitively, another guideline we might consider when framing retrospective
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intentions is to describe them in the present tense, even though at the moment
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we make the request, we're referring to experiences that have already happened.
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There's no strong insight that's swayed our view on this one.
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It simply feels that speaking in terms of what is carries more surety and immediacy
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than speaking about what was.
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However, you may wish to take your own view on this and frame intentions as you feel led.
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Yeah, I was just thinking there, and again, we get into some theology here,
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The idea of logos, vibration, the original or eternal creating,
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you know, as we often speak about when we're sending intention,
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what we're yearning for is very much what's arising now, isn't it?
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It is kind of where we are, at least. It's within the present moment.
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But what we're saying here is that the vibration can reach across time.
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So it does seem to make sense to speak about, it's kind of more assertive,
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isn't it, speaking about what's happening now?
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Well, especially if you consider the theory that everything's happening all
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at once, you know, kind of in a spiral, then it's easier to keep it in the present moment.
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When praying for a painful event from the past, we might also want to be mindful of our perspective.
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For example, is our deepest hope to revise history, to entrust that moment to
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divine compassion, or for what happened in the past to be changed into something
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that can bring healing in the present?
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These need not contradict each other, but as with everything we do in our intention
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work, we believe that being very clear and specific in what we ask for makes
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a crucial difference in the impact it has.
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We much enjoyed putting this episode together, which has really got us thinking,
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even if we've not begun to understand or scratch the surface of some of the
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philosophical ideas on this topic put forward by theologians,
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philosophers, and others.
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We've doubtless not covered much that we could have, but hope that you,
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like us, might be inspired to consider the potential power of retrospective
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prayer, however you relate to what's going on in our multi-layered, mysterious,
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and perhaps not exclusively, time-limited universe.
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So, this week, as we reflect on the potential power of retrospective prayer and intention holding.
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We suggest holding as our main intention.
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When praying or holding intention for events and people retrospectively,
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I resolve to honor the free will of those who are the object of my intention,
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recognizing that I may not change history, but that my prayers can move hearts and minds.
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Please join us in holding this.
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That about wraps it up for this episode. Remember, you can connect with us in
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the Facebook group and for live intention holding in my daily insight timer
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offerings and with Ellen in the Labyrinth Activist Network's Zoom calls.
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Details of how to hook up with these are in our show notes.
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Look out too for our next special topic episode, which we'll be releasing in the next few days.
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Thank you for listening and for sharing with us in Holding Intentions.
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We look forward to connecting again next time. In the meantime,
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Thank you, go well, stay safe And remember, we're more powerful together.
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