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I pray that this will not be forgotten.
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It can't be forgotten.
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It can't be diminished.
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It shouldn't be swept under the table.
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This is one of those days that changes the course of history.
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And I fear that as we get away from it, that that that gets lost.
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That gets gets lessened.
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So why would two guys leave comfortable jobs, move across the country, and start a business in an industry they don't know, a place they don't know?
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And could it be successful?
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We're Dale and Brian Carnegie.
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Join us as we share our story and inspire you to become people of impact.
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Welcome to the Impact Without Limits podcast.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Impact Without Limits Podcast.
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This is Dale Carnegie here, sitting with my brother Brian.
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Hey everybody, welcome back.
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Still donning our patriotic gear.
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Today we are we're doing a special episode.
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And this is the first episode of the month.
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Usually we do our special episodes on the last episode of the month.
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Right.
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So we actually just had a special episode.
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We did, back to back.
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The deliverance day, the call to run.
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And we are again, we're flipping.
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This is there's a lot of connections here.
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This is another special episode at the beginning of the month, but it is a remember, right?
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And we're remembering 9-11.
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And so here we are, four days away from the 25th anniversary.
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That's crazy.
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Is that amazing?
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So I'm gonna do my date math.
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I was born in 65.
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25 years before I was born.
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We hadn't even entered World War II.
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That's crazy.
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Pearl Harbor hadn't happened.
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So at my birth, I was closer to Pearl Harbor than our babies today are to 9-11.
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Yeah.
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And I can just tell you when when I was a kid, World War II and Pearl Harbor seemed like some distant event.
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I know.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why that is.
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And I kids today, maybe you feel that same way if you're you know uh under 25, under 20.
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Um maybe you're you feel like that is so far in the past.
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It is, let me tell you, it isn't.
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Well, how about this?
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If we're doing date math.
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25 years, I was 25 years old when 9-11 happened.
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So that is half-year-old, that is the midpoint of my life right now.
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It's been to the half-life of Brian's life is 9-11.
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It was 9-11.
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And I mean, I remember that day well.
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Yeah, so I want to start and just just say that we want to honor all the people who lost their lives that day, both those that were in the buildings in the towers, those that were on the plane, Flight 93, those that were on the ground at the Pentagon, um, and then of those brave men and women, the uh first responders, the rescuers, who many of whom died in an effort to save the people.
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I think most that happened mostly at the buildings.
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I don't know, maybe maybe it happened some at the Pentagon too.
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But you know, we pray that God continues to be with their families, and that God continues to protect their memories.
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And um look, I pray that this will not be forgotten.
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It can't be forgotten, it can't be diminished, it shouldn't be swept under the table.
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This was a uh this was one of those days that changes the course of history.
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And um I fear that as we get away from it, that that that gets lost, that gets gets lessened.
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Yeah, and you have you know, one of the slogans that came out of that uh was never forget, right?
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And you'd have pictures of the towers and never forget.
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And I do fear that the generations today are forgetting.
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Let me tell you who forgot.
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New York City.
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New York City forgot.
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They elected Mondumy as their mayor.
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Oh my goodness.
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I mean, could you can you imagine if on September 12th of last year or of 2001 somebody said, hey, in 25 years, you're gonna have a character like Mondummy be the the mayor of New York City.
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I did say you're an idiot.
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Uh there's no way that would ever happen.
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But we forget.
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We don't just forget, we get trained to forget.
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Um so what a crime that is.
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But yeah, we want to remember so we never forget.
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And 9-11 was one of the very worst national tragedies we've ever experienced.
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I mean, it was the biggest attack on American soil.
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Um it just it's awful.
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However, it also displayed some of the greatness of America, right?
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You talked about the first responders.
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People going in.
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We there's an organization, Tunnel to Towers, right, that um takes care of first responders and now even military veterans and people, their families that are left behind.
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But the idea that they were actually digging tunnels through this rubble to get to these towers to try to find people and save people, crazy.
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And then you think about the the bravery of of Todd Beamer and the guys on the flight 93, that rather than let another plane, there was already one that hit the Pentagon, this one was arguably was headed toward the White House, or somewhere else in DC, and these guys found out what was happening, and they take down the hijackers.
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Yeah, they're like, listen, we're gonna go down.
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It's not gonna happen.
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And so the famous line from Beamer is let's roll.
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Let's roll.
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Right?
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He says, Let's roll.
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It's a DC talk song.
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And and these guys, they they're texting or you know, finding out from their family what's happening, and they're like, listen, if we're gonna die, let's at least go down fighting for others and saving other people's lives.
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And I mean, my goodness.
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I can't imagine.
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I want to believe that I would be one of those guys.
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Yeah, and I think that I would be.
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That's one of those things in the moment.
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In the moment, you you would rise up because I know your core, I know your beliefs, I know what you're you know, what you're made of, and you don't imagine you could do it, but in that moment, God gives you the strength and and you would rise up.
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I I hope and pray that we're never in that situation.
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And we had, I don't remember the flight number, but the flight that uh crashed into the Pentagon and uh everything that happened there.
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Oddly enough, I am good friends with somebody who was one of the first responders to the Pentagon.
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Jesse Johnson Brower.
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Yeah.
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He was uh stationed down at uh I can't remember the name of the facility right there.
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But he he was the first first call.
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He was a young man, fairly new to the to the army, and and he was on his ground zero.
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Um bringing people, bodies, uh parts, uh, you know, like uh parts of the bill, whatever, just clearing the the space.
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And oddly enough, I'm good friends with one of the first people, citizens, who were on the ground at Flight 93, which and I'm sorry, it's long day, and I still got my kidneys on stuff.
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What's the uh what's the name of the the town we're gonna ask?
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Can you look that up?
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I I know it, I'm not thinking of it, so Victoria look it up for us.
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But Tony Priscaro, he was he's a friend of ours from NASCAR, but he lived in Pittsburgh.
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He did some um media reporting and things.
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Shanksville PA.
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Yep.
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And he heard what was happening.
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I don't know if somebody called him or he was in the area.
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He saw that I can't remember what, but he got there before they even had the clashing tape and things set up.
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Yeah, he was one of the first people there.
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So we we had I've got two people who were like right there, right as it happened.
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And um kind of um that's tough listen to some of the stories and and some of the things that happened there.
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And we were consultants that had business in New York, had been back and forth to New York quite a bit during that time frame.
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And I remember we were there, it was six months after 9-11 when they lit the lights of the towers.
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And we were we were there for I remember walking down and they were still like digging, digging and dealing with debris, excavation, and there were all those signs, and oh, that was just that was a gut-wrenching moment to look at that awful site.
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But then to see the the lights come up and the memorial.
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I think the lights, Brian, that might have been our second trip to New York.
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I I think we might have been there prior to that because I remember it six months.
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That would have been September, October, November, December, January, February.
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That would have been February.
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That was the trip.
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That was the trip with the mark and Tishman Spire and all of that.
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But I think we were there one other time before that, but just because I was by that site multiple times, just to see the size, the footprint that was left there, and to to just try and get a grasp of the magnitude of what had happened.
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Have you been back to have you seen the memorial, the 9-11 memorial at Ground Zero?
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It's amazing.
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They did they did an incredible job with it.
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I mean, first of all, they built the Freedom Tower, right?
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So they built a tower larger than the World Trade Center's buildings were.
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Um kind of like, you know, you're you're not gonna take away from us, you're not gonna scare us.
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But then the footprint of the actual buildings, they made like these reflecting ponds where water's falling in, and you just see how massive these structures were, and then they have all the names.
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And oh my goodness, what an amazing, amazing place.
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I remember being there and seeing all the boards with all the faces and all the names.
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Have you seen please call if you have any information on?
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And and it's just it all comes to life.
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It's like real people, real faces, real families.
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Um just it was awful.
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And you know, it's one of those things you say uh, you know, you always remember where you were at.
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I was sitting at my home office uh there uh at uh Lake Tomahawk.
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I was sitting at my desk in the blue room, and um I think it was Jim called me and said, Hey, did you did you hear a plane hit one of the towers?
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I'm like, I kind of chuckled.
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I'm like, what are you what are you talking about?
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He said, I don't know, but a plane hit one of the towers.
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Um and I'm picturing like a single engine biplane, and there's some pilot, doesn't know what he's doing, kind of gets off course, wanders around and and hits a tower.
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And I almost kind of kind of chuckled, like I how's a guy run into the tower?
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How's that even happen?
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And then while we're talking about it, he says, Oh my goodness, another plane hit the tower.
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I'm like, what in the world is going on?
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And all instantly, what are you thinking?
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You're thinking we're under attack.
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Well, we were under attack.
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We were and so I ran downstairs and I kicked on the TV just in time to see them replaying the second plane hitting the building, and and like just chills, chills all over the body.
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Like, like, oh my goodness, this is a serious, serious event.
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And um, we had Lori, our kids were were in um school up in Columbiana, and Lori jumped in the car and drove up and picked up Derek and Kaylin from school, brought them home, and you're just glued to the TV just watching.
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And and then you go from the towers being hit and watching what's happening there, then a plane, you hear a plane goes down in Shanksville, which is not far from where we live.
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And you're starting to think, okay, there's an organized attack, and we live by we lived by a nuclear power plant.
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And you start thinking, oh my goodness, they're gonna attack nuclear power plant.
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What's gonna happen?
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Uh, and then there's the attack on the Pentagon, and it was just that that was a chilling day.
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Um Derek had a football game that afternoon at six o'clock up in Ravenna, five o'clock up in Ravenna.
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And we were packing up, heading up to the game, and and they called, it's like games are canceled, and everything's canceled, and um just crazy.
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Yeah, I was I was in Houston and I was uh we were doing consulting work time.
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I was at a client's, and I remember I was driving to the office from the hotel, and Angie called and said, Hey, did you see a plane just hit the World Trade Center?
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And in the moment, I was thinking the World Trade Center was in Chicago, and I'm like, in Chicago?
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She's like, No, New York City.
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And I'm like, wait, what?
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And she's telling me about this plane hitting, and I'm thinking the same thing as you.
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Is this some like accident?
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How does somebody miss it?
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Home pilot.
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And so I, as we're talking, I'm kind of, I mean, I'm almost to the office, it's a short drive, and I get to the office and I'm I'm walking in and like it's on all the TVs, right?
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And and I'm sitting there with these people that I know but don't know really well, and and everybody's like trying to figure out how did this accident happen, right?
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Because the first one hits, it's it's 8 46 in a.m.
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eastern time, it hits.
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You're as we're watching, like the the cameras are showing, you see the second plane hit, and you're like, oh my goodness, that is an intentional attack.
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And just that realization, and then like you said, then the the the Pentagon, and then the plane goes down, and then they're tracking all the other it's oh my goodness, what I I just remember just that we were standing there in this office building in Houston, and all of us just in a conference room, just staring at this TV.
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Nobody's speaking, everybody's watching this.
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And you just what's going on?
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And I'm just like, guys, I gotta go home.
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Yeah.
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And they're like, well, they're shutting down air travel.
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You can't go home.
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And I'm like, I got a rental car?
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I'm going home.
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Yeah, because everything was shut down.
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Yeah, they shut the airports down for I don't know, it was at least three days.
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And so I just got in the car and I drove.
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And and I again, you don't know what's going on, but you're thinking you want to be by family.
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Right?
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And I've got a wife and and two young kids at home.
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Like I need to be there to I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I want to be there to protect them.
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And well, I know what you're gonna do.
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You're gonna rise up like a militia, man.
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Like a minute, man.
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Yeah.
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But that feeling of just uncertainty, of chaos, of what's coming next.
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It just I will never forget that.
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I will never forget that moment.
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And and again, as as awful as that was, at the same time, seeing I honestly think that's the last time I saw America rally together.
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Yeah.
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I right the response was unity.
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A national day of prayer.
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The response was uh yep, right?
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Call to prayer.
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I I remember Reliance on God.
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Yep.
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It was America first.
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It was proud to be an American.
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And George Bush getting out the bullhorn, standing on the rubble, and saying, you know, we won't forget this, and the people that did this are are gonna pay.
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I mean, that you just you everybody was an American, right?
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Everybody was was just realizing, hey, we gotta we gotta fight an evil.
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Wait, well, it's it's it's like this, Brian.
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Um we talk about light shines brightest in the darkness, right?
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Yeah.
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And unfortunately, in our lives, both personally in business, and then as a country, you sometimes get so used to the light that you don't see the beacon, the shining light, the that centerpiece.
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And when it gets dark, and it got dark on 9-11, then what shows up is that shining light, that we are a Christian nation, that we are one nation under God, that we do celebrate our country and American exceptionalism, American uniqueness, the foundations we have, the principles that make us different in America than any other country in any other world.
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And all that becomes so evident because it's so dark.
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In 2001, 2002, 2000.
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Do you do you remember the like you the games where they restarted the game events?
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And everybody's belting out the national anthem and everybody's wearing patriotic stuff.
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You have you have Pat Tillman, right?
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He's running onto the NFL football player, running onto the field, carrying a flag, leading.
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He leaves the NFL and enlists in the military.
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Yeah.
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Ends up dying in service.
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But I mean, I the that's you talk about the values and you talk about the Christian heritage and what makes America great, the morals and values behind it, but you see it lived out in those moments where people are willing to put country and others above self, right?
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We talked about the first responders.
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We talked about the people on the plane, but then it was people volunteering, you know, whatever they could do, whatever they could give, whatever they could help to raise money.
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Like you talked about the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, the incredible things that they did then and still do today to take care of those families.
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Uh people that enlisted in the military, right?
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I mean, Americans didn't think, oh my goodness, there's going to be a war and shrink back.
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You had people rushing to volunteer.
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It just was an awful, horrendous moment, but it allowed for the greatness of America to shine.
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In the darkness, the light shines.
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And unfortunately, over the 25 years, the darkness just kind of slowly uh, you know, that stark darkness goes away, and that darkness kind of blends into everyday life, and you don't see it, and it starts seeping into our cultures, it starts seeping into our politics, into our society, into our beliefs.
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I mean, we have people today who think socialism is a good idea in America.
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It's crazy.
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It's insane.
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And, you know, I'm not calling for a dark day.
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I sure hope we don't have any more dark days like that.
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What I'm calling for maybe is we need to shine the light that much brighter.
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We need to teach and learn, remember, and teach why America is so special, what makes us so special, and how important it is that we preserve it.
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Um, because if we don't do that, we're either going to lose America or it's going to take another very dark day to bring that all to light.
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And I sure hope that isn't what it takes.
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No, and I think our our hope for this episode is just one, we just wanted to pause and reflect and remember the lives lost and the families impacted there.
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Uh, but two, remember the greatness of America that responded.
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And and you know, we we talked about it last week with Deliverance Day, the idea that you you have a uh an Ebenezer, you have a an artifact set, you have a date that you memorialize, you have something that you remember the past.
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Because if you don't remember the past, you're doomed to repeat the history.
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And you've been talking about it as we've gone through this.
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season.
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You you you have to remember.
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Yep.
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And you can't remember if you don't know.
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And unfortunately, I think we're in a period where, I mean, let's face it, uh, you know, half of our kids were born after that date.
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None of my kids like remember it because they were you know too young.
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And a lot of the people today, it's just a historical event.
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It's a marker.
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And you know I think back like you said for World War II for me it was like remembering you know the Vietnam War or something before I was born.
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Like I don't remember it was just history.
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It was just you see a newsreel it doesn't have the same impact if you haven't lived through it.
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And so I think one of the things we want to do is just call people to remember and you don't look into it.
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There's documentaries out there and it's difficult and I know it's hard to watch and I I'll be honest I don't love watching those but man if you don't know that story and and what that 25 years there will be a lot available.
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I'm going to hope most of it is good and accurate.
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You know how we get with a lot of our media that they can sometimes try and slant a story and not tell the truth but the reality is that was an awful day a terrible attack um a dark day but the light shone through what we have to do is keep focused on the light and and just not lose that.
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I had the opportunity to hear Roger Clemens speak here in Canton last week.
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Well not last week as the episode comes out but a few weeks ago and he was talking about being in New York when that happened and he actually was just uh being interviewed for a Netflix series or a Netflix special that's coming out so uh hopefully that'll be out here shortly but just talking about what that was like and and how sports were one of the things that we rallied around and you talked about that whether it's you know um George W.
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Bush throwing out a first pitch or somebody singing the national anthem but this patriotic pride it's a good thing.
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It's good to be proud of America and and throughout the season that's one of the things we've wanted to do.
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And so today uh hopefully you know as as you go into this week uh you remember the anniversary of 9-11.
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You commemorate it when I say do you remember I know you remember but five years ago that's when um Jesse Johnson Brower did his walk from New York City to Shanksville PA that site to the Pentagon 462 miles I think he walked in 30 days and um our team supported him we supported him with some money we supported him with supplies and and different members of our team went out and walked with him and I got to spend four days walking alongside him I had a lot of blisters to show for it.
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I was not trained or prepared for that walk but what an awesome thing he did to try and remember right to to create uh that that marker that says this is important I want to draw attention to it and it was just really cool to be a part of that and I walked the uh the four days leading into um Shanksville so I walked from Bedford uh before Bedford before the little ways where'd we do that field for Tim Best oh my goodness it was Centerville?
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No but whatever it was somewhere around there I walked into Shanksville we were there at the memorial and then um he invited us down I walked the last day as he got to the Pentagon and went down and had a ceremony there on I think it was actually on 9-11 um at the the National Cemetery just just neat and you know I I say that I wish I was doing something um as neat or memorable this year and I'm not but but that was that was just great and got to involve my kids in it just uh a you know a good way to um help keep that at the forefront of our our minds so but a shout out to Jesse for doing that and thank you for including us and you know let's keep our focus on what happened and how you come out of something like that.
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Yeah and again 9-11 never forget take the time to remember it commemorate it and uh for those of you that are old enough to remember it share the story with somebody that maybe is a little bit younger and doesn't know and with that uh God bless we'll see you next week God bless the USA This is the thread call me reminding you that faith looks up hope looks ahead and love looks all around to see whom it can help.
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Good day
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I pray that this will not be forgotten.
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It can't be forgotten.
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It can't be diminished.
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It shouldn't be swept under the table.
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This is one of those days that changes the course of history.
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And I fear that as we get away from it, that that that gets lost.
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That gets gets lessened.
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So why would two guys leave comfortable jobs, move across the country, and start a business in an industry they don't know, a place they don't know?
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And could it be successful?
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We're Dale and Brian Carnegie.
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Join us as we share our story and inspire you to become people of impact.
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Welcome to the Impact Without Limits podcast.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Impact Without Limits Podcast.
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This is Dale Carnegie here, sitting with my brother Brian.
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Hey everybody, welcome back.
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Still donning our patriotic gear.
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Today we are we're doing a special episode.
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And this is the first episode of the month.
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Usually we do our special episodes on the last episode of the month.
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Right.
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So we actually just had a special episode.
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We did, back to back.
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The deliverance day, the call to run.
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And we are again, we're flipping.
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This is there's a lot of connections here.
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This is another special episode at the beginning of the month, but it is a remember, right?
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And we're remembering 9-11.
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And so here we are, four days away from the 25th anniversary.
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That's crazy.
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Is that amazing?
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So I'm gonna do my date math.
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I was born in 65.
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25 years before I was born.
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We hadn't even entered World War II.
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That's crazy.
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Pearl Harbor hadn't happened.
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So at my birth, I was closer to Pearl Harbor than our babies today are to 9-11.
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Yeah.
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And I can just tell you when when I was a kid, World War II and Pearl Harbor seemed like some distant event.
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I know.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why that is.
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And I kids today, maybe you feel that same way if you're you know uh under 25, under 20.
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Um maybe you're you feel like that is so far in the past.
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It is, let me tell you, it isn't.
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Well, how about this?
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If we're doing date math.
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25 years, I was 25 years old when 9-11 happened.
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So that is half-year-old, that is the midpoint of my life right now.
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It's been to the half-life of Brian's life is 9-11.
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It was 9-11.
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And I mean, I remember that day well.
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Yeah, so I want to start and just just say that we want to honor all the people who lost their lives that day, both those that were in the buildings in the towers, those that were on the plane, Flight 93, those that were on the ground at the Pentagon, um, and then of those brave men and women, the uh first responders, the rescuers, who many of whom died in an effort to save the people.
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I think most that happened mostly at the buildings.
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I don't know, maybe maybe it happened some at the Pentagon too.
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But you know, we pray that God continues to be with their families, and that God continues to protect their memories.
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And um look, I pray that this will not be forgotten.
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It can't be forgotten, it can't be diminished, it shouldn't be swept under the table.
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This was a uh this was one of those days that changes the course of history.
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And um I fear that as we get away from it, that that that gets lost, that gets gets lessened.
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Yeah, and you have you know, one of the slogans that came out of that uh was never forget, right?
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And you'd have pictures of the towers and never forget.
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And I do fear that the generations today are forgetting.
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Let me tell you who forgot.
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New York City.
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New York City forgot.
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They elected Mondumy as their mayor.
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Oh my goodness.
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I mean, could you can you imagine if on September 12th of last year or of 2001 somebody said, hey, in 25 years, you're gonna have a character like Mondummy be the the mayor of New York City.
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I did say you're an idiot.
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Uh there's no way that would ever happen.
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But we forget.
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We don't just forget, we get trained to forget.
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Um so what a crime that is.
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But yeah, we want to remember so we never forget.
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And 9-11 was one of the very worst national tragedies we've ever experienced.
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I mean, it was the biggest attack on American soil.
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Um it just it's awful.
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However, it also displayed some of the greatness of America, right?
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You talked about the first responders.
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People going in.
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We there's an organization, Tunnel to Towers, right, that um takes care of first responders and now even military veterans and people, their families that are left behind.
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But the idea that they were actually digging tunnels through this rubble to get to these towers to try to find people and save people, crazy.
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And then you think about the the bravery of of Todd Beamer and the guys on the flight 93, that rather than let another plane, there was already one that hit the Pentagon, this one was arguably was headed toward the White House, or somewhere else in DC, and these guys found out what was happening, and they take down the hijackers.
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Yeah, they're like, listen, we're gonna go down.
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It's not gonna happen.
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And so the famous line from Beamer is let's roll.
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Let's roll.
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Right?
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He says, Let's roll.
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It's a DC talk song.
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And and these guys, they they're texting or you know, finding out from their family what's happening, and they're like, listen, if we're gonna die, let's at least go down fighting for others and saving other people's lives.
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And I mean, my goodness.
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I can't imagine.
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I want to believe that I would be one of those guys.
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Yeah, and I think that I would be.
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That's one of those things in the moment.
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In the moment, you you would rise up because I know your core, I know your beliefs, I know what you're you know, what you're made of, and you don't imagine you could do it, but in that moment, God gives you the strength and and you would rise up.
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I I hope and pray that we're never in that situation.
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And we had, I don't remember the flight number, but the flight that uh crashed into the Pentagon and uh everything that happened there.
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Oddly enough, I am good friends with somebody who was one of the first responders to the Pentagon.
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Jesse Johnson Brower.
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Yeah.
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He was uh stationed down at uh I can't remember the name of the facility right there.
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But he he was the first first call.
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He was a young man, fairly new to the to the army, and and he was on his ground zero.
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Um bringing people, bodies, uh parts, uh, you know, like uh parts of the bill, whatever, just clearing the the space.
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And oddly enough, I'm good friends with one of the first people, citizens, who were on the ground at Flight 93, which and I'm sorry, it's long day, and I still got my kidneys on stuff.
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What's the uh what's the name of the the town we're gonna ask?
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Can you look that up?
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I I know it, I'm not thinking of it, so Victoria look it up for us.
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But Tony Priscaro, he was he's a friend of ours from NASCAR, but he lived in Pittsburgh.
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He did some um media reporting and things.
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Shanksville PA.
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Yep.
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And he heard what was happening.
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I don't know if somebody called him or he was in the area.
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He saw that I can't remember what, but he got there before they even had the clashing tape and things set up.
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Yeah, he was one of the first people there.
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So we we had I've got two people who were like right there, right as it happened.
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And um kind of um that's tough listen to some of the stories and and some of the things that happened there.
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And we were consultants that had business in New York, had been back and forth to New York quite a bit during that time frame.
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And I remember we were there, it was six months after 9-11 when they lit the lights of the towers.
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And we were we were there for I remember walking down and they were still like digging, digging and dealing with debris, excavation, and there were all those signs, and oh, that was just that was a gut-wrenching moment to look at that awful site.
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But then to see the the lights come up and the memorial.
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I think the lights, Brian, that might have been our second trip to New York.
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I I think we might have been there prior to that because I remember it six months.
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That would have been September, October, November, December, January, February.
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That would have been February.
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That was the trip.
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That was the trip with the mark and Tishman Spire and all of that.
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But I think we were there one other time before that, but just because I was by that site multiple times, just to see the size, the footprint that was left there, and to to just try and get a grasp of the magnitude of what had happened.
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Have you been back to have you seen the memorial, the 9-11 memorial at Ground Zero?
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It's amazing.
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They did they did an incredible job with it.
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I mean, first of all, they built the Freedom Tower, right?
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So they built a tower larger than the World Trade Center's buildings were.
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Um kind of like, you know, you're you're not gonna take away from us, you're not gonna scare us.
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But then the footprint of the actual buildings, they made like these reflecting ponds where water's falling in, and you just see how massive these structures were, and then they have all the names.
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And oh my goodness, what an amazing, amazing place.
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I remember being there and seeing all the boards with all the faces and all the names.
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Have you seen please call if you have any information on?
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And and it's just it all comes to life.
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It's like real people, real faces, real families.
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Um just it was awful.
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And you know, it's one of those things you say uh, you know, you always remember where you were at.
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I was sitting at my home office uh there uh at uh Lake Tomahawk.
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I was sitting at my desk in the blue room, and um I think it was Jim called me and said, Hey, did you did you hear a plane hit one of the towers?
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I'm like, I kind of chuckled.
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I'm like, what are you what are you talking about?
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He said, I don't know, but a plane hit one of the towers.
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Um and I'm picturing like a single engine biplane, and there's some pilot, doesn't know what he's doing, kind of gets off course, wanders around and and hits a tower.
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And I almost kind of kind of chuckled, like I how's a guy run into the tower?
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How's that even happen?
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And then while we're talking about it, he says, Oh my goodness, another plane hit the tower.
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I'm like, what in the world is going on?
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And all instantly, what are you thinking?
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You're thinking we're under attack.
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Well, we were under attack.
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We were and so I ran downstairs and I kicked on the TV just in time to see them replaying the second plane hitting the building, and and like just chills, chills all over the body.
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Like, like, oh my goodness, this is a serious, serious event.
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And um, we had Lori, our kids were were in um school up in Columbiana, and Lori jumped in the car and drove up and picked up Derek and Kaylin from school, brought them home, and you're just glued to the TV just watching.
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And and then you go from the towers being hit and watching what's happening there, then a plane, you hear a plane goes down in Shanksville, which is not far from where we live.
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And you're starting to think, okay, there's an organized attack, and we live by we lived by a nuclear power plant.
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And you start thinking, oh my goodness, they're gonna attack nuclear power plant.
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What's gonna happen?
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Uh, and then there's the attack on the Pentagon, and it was just that that was a chilling day.
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Um Derek had a football game that afternoon at six o'clock up in Ravenna, five o'clock up in Ravenna.
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And we were packing up, heading up to the game, and and they called, it's like games are canceled, and everything's canceled, and um just crazy.
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Yeah, I was I was in Houston and I was uh we were doing consulting work time.
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I was at a client's, and I remember I was driving to the office from the hotel, and Angie called and said, Hey, did you see a plane just hit the World Trade Center?
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And in the moment, I was thinking the World Trade Center was in Chicago, and I'm like, in Chicago?
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She's like, No, New York City.
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And I'm like, wait, what?
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And she's telling me about this plane hitting, and I'm thinking the same thing as you.
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Is this some like accident?
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How does somebody miss it?
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Home pilot.
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And so I, as we're talking, I'm kind of, I mean, I'm almost to the office, it's a short drive, and I get to the office and I'm I'm walking in and like it's on all the TVs, right?
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And and I'm sitting there with these people that I know but don't know really well, and and everybody's like trying to figure out how did this accident happen, right?
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Because the first one hits, it's it's 8 46 in a.m.
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eastern time, it hits.
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You're as we're watching, like the the cameras are showing, you see the second plane hit, and you're like, oh my goodness, that is an intentional attack.
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And just that realization, and then like you said, then the the the Pentagon, and then the plane goes down, and then they're tracking all the other it's oh my goodness, what I I just remember just that we were standing there in this office building in Houston, and all of us just in a conference room, just staring at this TV.
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Nobody's speaking, everybody's watching this.
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And you just what's going on?
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And I'm just like, guys, I gotta go home.
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Yeah.
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And they're like, well, they're shutting down air travel.
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You can't go home.
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And I'm like, I got a rental car?
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I'm going home.
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Yeah, because everything was shut down.
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Yeah, they shut the airports down for I don't know, it was at least three days.
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And so I just got in the car and I drove.
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And and I again, you don't know what's going on, but you're thinking you want to be by family.
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Right?
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And I've got a wife and and two young kids at home.
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Like I need to be there to I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I want to be there to protect them.
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And well, I know what you're gonna do.
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You're gonna rise up like a militia, man.
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Like a minute, man.
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Yeah.
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But that feeling of just uncertainty, of chaos, of what's coming next.
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It just I will never forget that.
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I will never forget that moment.
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And and again, as as awful as that was, at the same time, seeing I honestly think that's the last time I saw America rally together.
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Yeah.
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I right the response was unity.
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A national day of prayer.
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The response was uh yep, right?
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Call to prayer.
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I I remember Reliance on God.
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Yep.
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It was America first.
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It was proud to be an American.
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And George Bush getting out the bullhorn, standing on the rubble, and saying, you know, we won't forget this, and the people that did this are are gonna pay.
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I mean, that you just you everybody was an American, right?
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Everybody was was just realizing, hey, we gotta we gotta fight an evil.
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Wait, well, it's it's it's like this, Brian.
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Um we talk about light shines brightest in the darkness, right?
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Yeah.
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And unfortunately, in our lives, both personally in business, and then as a country, you sometimes get so used to the light that you don't see the beacon, the shining light, the that centerpiece.
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And when it gets dark, and it got dark on 9-11, then what shows up is that shining light, that we are a Christian nation, that we are one nation under God, that we do celebrate our country and American exceptionalism, American uniqueness, the foundations we have, the principles that make us different in America than any other country in any other world.
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And all that becomes so evident because it's so dark.
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In 2001, 2002, 2000.
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Do you do you remember the like you the games where they restarted the game events?
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And everybody's belting out the national anthem and everybody's wearing patriotic stuff.
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You have you have Pat Tillman, right?
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He's running onto the NFL football player, running onto the field, carrying a flag, leading.
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He leaves the NFL and enlists in the military.
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Yeah.
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Ends up dying in service.
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But I mean, I the that's you talk about the values and you talk about the Christian heritage and what makes America great, the morals and values behind it, but you see it lived out in those moments where people are willing to put country and others above self, right?
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We talked about the first responders.
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We talked about the people on the plane, but then it was people volunteering, you know, whatever they could do, whatever they could give, whatever they could help to raise money.
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Like you talked about the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, the incredible things that they did then and still do today to take care of those families.
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Uh people that enlisted in the military, right?
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I mean, Americans didn't think, oh my goodness, there's going to be a war and shrink back.
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You had people rushing to volunteer.
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It just was an awful, horrendous moment, but it allowed for the greatness of America to shine.
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In the darkness, the light shines.
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And unfortunately, over the 25 years, the darkness just kind of slowly uh, you know, that stark darkness goes away, and that darkness kind of blends into everyday life, and you don't see it, and it starts seeping into our cultures, it starts seeping into our politics, into our society, into our beliefs.
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I mean, we have people today who think socialism is a good idea in America.
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It's crazy.
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It's insane.
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And, you know, I'm not calling for a dark day.
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I sure hope we don't have any more dark days like that.
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What I'm calling for maybe is we need to shine the light that much brighter.
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We need to teach and learn, remember, and teach why America is so special, what makes us so special, and how important it is that we preserve it.
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Um, because if we don't do that, we're either going to lose America or it's going to take another very dark day to bring that all to light.
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And I sure hope that isn't what it takes.
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No, and I think our our hope for this episode is just one, we just wanted to pause and reflect and remember the lives lost and the families impacted there.
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Uh, but two, remember the greatness of America that responded.
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And and you know, we we talked about it last week with Deliverance Day, the idea that you you have a uh an Ebenezer, you have a an artifact set, you have a date that you memorialize, you have something that you remember the past.
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Because if you don't remember the past, you're doomed to repeat the history.
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And you've been talking about it as we've gone through this.
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season.
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You you you have to remember.
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Yep.
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And you can't remember if you don't know.
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And unfortunately, I think we're in a period where, I mean, let's face it, uh, you know, half of our kids were born after that date.
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None of my kids like remember it because they were you know too young.
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And a lot of the people today, it's just a historical event.
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It's a marker.
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And you know I think back like you said for World War II for me it was like remembering you know the Vietnam War or something before I was born.
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Like I don't remember it was just history.
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It was just you see a newsreel it doesn't have the same impact if you haven't lived through it.
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And so I think one of the things we want to do is just call people to remember and you don't look into it.
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There's documentaries out there and it's difficult and I know it's hard to watch and I I'll be honest I don't love watching those but man if you don't know that story and and what that 25 years there will be a lot available.
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I'm going to hope most of it is good and accurate.
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You know how we get with a lot of our media that they can sometimes try and slant a story and not tell the truth but the reality is that was an awful day a terrible attack um a dark day but the light shone through what we have to do is keep focused on the light and and just not lose that.
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I had the opportunity to hear Roger Clemens speak here in Canton last week.
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Well not last week as the episode comes out but a few weeks ago and he was talking about being in New York when that happened and he actually was just uh being interviewed for a Netflix series or a Netflix special that's coming out so uh hopefully that'll be out here shortly but just talking about what that was like and and how sports were one of the things that we rallied around and you talked about that whether it's you know um George W.
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Bush throwing out a first pitch or somebody singing the national anthem but this patriotic pride it's a good thing.
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It's good to be proud of America and and throughout the season that's one of the things we've wanted to do.
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And so today uh hopefully you know as as you go into this week uh you remember the anniversary of 9-11.
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You commemorate it when I say do you remember I know you remember but five years ago that's when um Jesse Johnson Brower did his walk from New York City to Shanksville PA that site to the Pentagon 462 miles I think he walked in 30 days and um our team supported him we supported him with some money we supported him with supplies and and different members of our team went out and walked with him and I got to spend four days walking alongside him I had a lot of blisters to show for it.
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I was not trained or prepared for that walk but what an awesome thing he did to try and remember right to to create uh that that marker that says this is important I want to draw attention to it and it was just really cool to be a part of that and I walked the uh the four days leading into um Shanksville so I walked from Bedford uh before Bedford before the little ways where'd we do that field for Tim Best oh my goodness it was Centerville?
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No but whatever it was somewhere around there I walked into Shanksville we were there at the memorial and then um he invited us down I walked the last day as he got to the Pentagon and went down and had a ceremony there on I think it was actually on 9-11 um at the the National Cemetery just just neat and you know I I say that I wish I was doing something um as neat or memorable this year and I'm not but but that was that was just great and got to involve my kids in it just uh a you know a good way to um help keep that at the forefront of our our minds so but a shout out to Jesse for doing that and thank you for including us and you know let's keep our focus on what happened and how you come out of something like that.
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Yeah and again 9-11 never forget take the time to remember it commemorate it and uh for those of you that are old enough to remember it share the story with somebody that maybe is a little bit younger and doesn't know and with that uh God bless we'll see you next week God bless the USA This is the thread call me reminding you that faith looks up hope looks ahead and love looks all around to see whom it can help.
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Good day
