Decluttering Trauma: Valerie Huard on Healing, Entrepreneurship, and Overcoming Challenges

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There's a link between clutter and trauma.
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There's a link that what we realized and when
we had a trauma, we have more chance to
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accumulate clutter.
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Hello, and welcome back to the Ignition Path
podcast.
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My name is Kyle Goodnight.
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I'll be your host.
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Today, I've got a great, I stumbled across her
book, flipping through Facebook, I think it
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was, and it's an amazing concept of what she
has come up with.
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Then we had our pre meeting, and we ended up
finding out that we, I'm a first responder as
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everyone knows.
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And she was a first responder, and I was like,
wow.
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This is a great, you know, connection of how
the first responder world and the trauma world
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combined with what she's doing now.
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And I'm not gonna spoil it spoil it.
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I'm gonna let her discuss everything about what
she's doing now in the trauma informed world.
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But I've got Valerie Uwa on with me.
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How are you doing, Valerie?
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Pretty good.
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Thank you, Kyle.
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Thanks so much for coming on the podcast.
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What's really cool is, of course, a lot of
people know that I have two podcasts.
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Valerie is gonna be a secondary guest on my
other podcast.
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We'll we'll dive more into the first responder
world and the trauma stuff that she deals with.
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But today, we're gonna focus on her business,
how she was a first responder first, and then
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what she did and the and the path that she took
to ignite her new passion and what she's doing
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now.
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So, Valerie, go ahead and tell us a little bit
about yourself, a little bit about your
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background.
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Go ahead and share with us about a little bit
more about your timing and time frame and and
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what you did in the first responder world.
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Of course, you're from Ontario, Canada, so it's
a whole another you know, we we all first
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responders all deal with the same stress
anywhere in the world because we see the same
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things, but it's it's how the different
municipalities and the different countries
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operate their systems that could apply more
stress than others and have more things in
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place than others.
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And and I know a few people from Canada that
were first responders, and it's a whole
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different ballgame up there, when it comes to
mental health and how they help you deal with
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stuff.
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And even in the nursing world, it's even
different up there.
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So, once again, sorry.
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I kinda got off on a tangent there.
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Go ahead and tell us who you are, your
background as an EMS, and then how how things
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got started, and we'll go from there.
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So let's go back thirty ago.
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Thirty year okay.
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So about the time I started health care.
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So that would've
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been, like,
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'97.
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That would've been right around
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'90 before that.
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Let's say '92.
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Oh, okay.
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Alright.
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So A little bit more than thirty years.
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Okay.
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So that's when I was developing my passion for
first aid.
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Okay.
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So I got in a organization called St.
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John Ambulance.
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That is international organization.
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And this is where I first start assisting to
hockey game and so on.
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The national the national day that we were
celebrating and things like that, like
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administrating first aid during those events.
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So that was my first touch to first aid.
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And a little bit later in '96, I got into
occupational therapy.
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That's just a little part in my journey, but
that makes a lot of sense when we get to
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decluttering later on.
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Absolutely.
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If I'm knowing what you do now, that's, like, a
perfect, like Exactly.
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The passions and the what you learned there is
actually what's helping you in your business
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now compared to the first responder stuff that
you'll talk about.
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Yeah.
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Because I I worked in a hospital as well, so I
know all about occupational therapy, physical
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therapy, phys you know, respiratory therapy.
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That's what I am and was.
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So yeah.
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And then in '98, I don't know if you guys
remember, but in Quebec province, there were a
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huge ice storm.
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Do
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know.
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They declare national
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Emergency.
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Emergency and all of that.
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And it was a good three weeks without
electricity for thousand and thousand and
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thousand of hundred and hundred thousands of
people without electricity on a big area.
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So that was my first introduction to really
emergency state.
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And, like, we were the one installing the
emergency shelter and all that kind of stuff.
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Okay.
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And, you know, evacuating, elder from the
residency or the nursing care where they were
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because there were no electricity there.
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There were no backup.
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There were no nothing.
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So they were they cannot stay there on their
machine.
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So fast forward February in Quebec province,
they decided to install the first responder
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program.
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And one of that program was to train
firefighter, policemen, and other people in the
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first aid section so they can be there before
EMS or paramedic gets on.
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Okay.
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Like, before the beginning of February, there
were no paramedic in Quebec province.
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They were called
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Okay.
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I'm not sure in English how we were calling
them, but probably EMS or something like that.
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It's just that they were not trained with the
different medication and things like that.
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Okay.
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But they were still the people in the
ambulance.
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But that kind of two speed system got in store
at the beginning of February.
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And this is where I played a big role in
helping installing that system in Quebec
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province in all the South Shore Of Montreal,
training the instructor and so on.
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Okay.
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That was fascinating.
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And I was also doing back then the Formula one
races in Montreal and all other activities
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going on on that.
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So that's what that's the the Formula one race.
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You know?
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And
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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The kart, the NASCAR, the all of them coming
there.
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So and we got some interesting things over
there because it's on an island.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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There's some place that we cannot evacuate the
driver
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Mhmm.
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Via road.
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Right.
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You gotta go helicopter.
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Right?
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No.
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We need to go boat before.
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Boat before.
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Okay.
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And then an ambulance to the helicopter.
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Okay.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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To the Oh, yeah.
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To the definitive level one trauma center.
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Or what do you guys call them up there?
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Ours our top notch, trauma centers here called
level one.
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What do you guys call them in Canada?
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Trauma Center.
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Just trauma center?
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Like, we have different designations.
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So we have some hospitals that are trauma two,
but there's they can still deal with, you know,
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ninety nine percent of all traumas.
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And, actually, certain traumas that even our
our main level two here in Columbus, Ohio,
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like, I will always take a hand injury to that
one.
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I won't take that hand injury to the level one
because all the hand surgeons are at all the
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proper world renowned microsurgeons are at the
level two center.
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And the the really only thing difference.
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It's a little bit different.
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A little bit different.
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I'll say that you can take a head injury to any
hospital.
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We could take them to any hospital, but the
ideal like, the the primary the best place to
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go where someone would actually most likely
have the the chance of using their hand that's
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been chopped off or fingers that have been
messed up.
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It should be
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So sometime it will be bring to another
hospital, stabilize, and then bring
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Then bring to
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the other hospital.
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Oh, sure.
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Sure.
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I mean, if it's depending on depending on how
it is.
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I'm just lucky I live in the city, and and I'm
only twenty minutes away if I'm driving normal,
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let alone lights and sirens to get to any of my
trauma centers.
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I'm just very lucky where I live.
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We've got high level pediatric and adult trauma
care.
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I mean, the Ohio State University is right in
my backyard, and that's a that's a that's, you
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know, one of the top hospitals in the country
as well.
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So
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Now in Montreal, we have one as well K.
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That is designated for the races, and they even
build on the race, they build a hospital.
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Yeah.
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Oh, for sure.
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To stabilize.
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Exactly.
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With X rays, with everything.
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Exactly.
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Operation room on this.
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So when you were working all of that stuff,
that was just your you that that one wasn't an
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entrepreneurial thing.
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That wasn't your own business.
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That was just working
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for the man.
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That was just working for the municipality or
the private sector.
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Correct.
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And and you were just clocking in and clocking
out, doing your time, and and and having your
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days off.
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Okay.
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But at some point, life continue rolling on,
and I was having all in my memory.
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I was having nightmare.
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I was having flashback.
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I was having difficulty sleeping.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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I just went to a conference last Friday, and
you you listed like, of course, you there's
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four categories of PTSD.
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And, of course, like, everything you've listed
so far is, like, the top number one thing on
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each category.
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Exactly.
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Top twice.
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So many of were
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never trained in what PTSD is or how to
recognize it, and we're getting better, and we
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still need to get better.
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And that'll be our subject of the other
podcast, of course.
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But go on.
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Sorry.
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Didn't mean to interrupt.
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So, basically, I got diagnosed with PTSD back
then.
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You did get diagnosed.
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Okay.
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I got diagnosed.
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Yes.
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Back then, they were not talking about complex
PTSD or childhood.
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Those designations were were not there.
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So but I got diagnosed, and the psychiatrist
asked me to stop what I was doing, basically.
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Okay.
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Like, one one goal is just get out of the get
out of the fire.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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But to get on leave first and but I was not
able to go back after.
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So but it was the beginning of my journey of
self growth and healing.
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And my husband got into into the military
during that time and came the moment where we
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were needing to move.
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They sent an estimator because it's the
military who moves you from place to place in
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the country, And I will always remember that
guy coming in and saying, ma'am, we cannot move
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you.
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You need to let go of at least half your
belongings.
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Wow.
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We were having the equivalent of a 18 wheeler
truck of clutter to let go.
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Even if I'm talk big
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Yeah.
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People were able to come in my home and not
seeing the clutter.
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It was all in hidden place.
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So my living room, my dining room, yes, there
were piles of paper on the dining room and
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kids' toys around it, but it was not like we
see on the hoarder show Sure. Where
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Where they bring drumster.
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You know?
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I've been in hoarder homes just as you probably
have
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As well.
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On emergency rooms.
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We're like, we have to chop the side of the
house off so before we can get them out of
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here, that kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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But we were able to circulate and all of that
in the home.
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So but that was the first time where it really
hit me.
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I need to let go of half my possession.
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Yeah.
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But it can be tough.
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So, yeah, my husband had to move first because
we had three months to declutter.
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That wasn't enough.
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And I stayed behind with two toddlers.
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And the night he left, I was really wondering
will be will we be able to reunite at some
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point?
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You know, all those questions about life.
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And then I started on a journey of
decluttering.
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But what is fascinating is after a couple
months decluttering, I was smiling.
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I was laughing.
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I didn't need a nap in the afternoon.
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I was not having nightmare anymore in the
night.
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Like, as I let go of my possession, I let go of
the trauma as well.
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Wow.
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Exactly.
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So we'll dive more into that into the other
podcast.
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Yeah.
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So
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Yeah.
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Well, we'll dive a little bit here because I do
have a question.
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So because I'm sure that what you're doing now,
we'll get more into depth on exactly what
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you've created, which is why I really wanted
you like, what an I was so glad I found your
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name and was able to contact you because I'm
like, this is a great topic for both my
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podcasts.
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But when it comes to you know?
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So what did you find or the studies that you
found?
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Because I know you've you've written a book and
you have a program that deals with, you know,
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clutter and trauma, you know, trauma informed
and trauma, you know, what what what we do and
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what some people do as trauma.
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What when it comes to I'm trying to figure out
how to ask this question without giving
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everything away until later.
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Do you did you find when you started you
mentioned that you started being happier as you
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let go of some possessions.
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Were some of those possessions, like, holding
on to some of the trauma that you had a
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reminder on
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certain things?
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Some no.
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Okay.
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Some yes.
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Some no.
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So and then we were able to reunite.
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Were you sure you weren't just happy because
your husband wasn't there?
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I don't know.
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I'm sure.
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I'm kidding.
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I'm kidding.
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My my wife is happy at certain times when I'm
not around, but then she's always like, I miss
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you.
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No.
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No.
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I was having two children with disability back
then.
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I was fostering.
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So yeah.
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Alone, it's a little bit a lot.
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And when we reunite, I decided to become a home
stager.
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This is when we decided to get on TV, the
entrepreneurial journey.
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Okay.
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Because I was wanting
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to What year was that?
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What year was that, you think?
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That's in 2014.
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Okay.
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And then I did my training before starting the
business to be basically, I didn't want other
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family to have to live what we had to live.
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I was wanting to basically at the beginning
helping military family to be able to move
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without being separated.
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They did they already have all the mission and
the posting and things like that that get the
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family separated.
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There were no reason when they moved to get
separated.
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In 2015, when I started working with families,
I've realized pretty fast that it's not putting
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a blanket here or there or removing some
picture frame that is difficult.
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What is difficult is the decluttering
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Yeah.
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In preparing a home.
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Yeah.
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So I get trained in professional organizing.
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And the more I was going into home of client,
more people were talking to me about their
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trauma.
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Yes.
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They were something that I was having an
opening about that.
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Not that I was talking to them about my trauma,
but that I was able to listen to them, you
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know, and empathize
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with their with their situation.
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Sure.
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Exactly.
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So we contacted neuroscientists.
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We read tons and tons of paper to really
realize this is really something.
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There's a link between clutter and trauma.
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There's a link that what we realized and when
we had a trauma, we have more chance to
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accumulate clutter.
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Interesting.
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And it's really because, you know, PTSD, for
example, is a stress disorder.
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Broma is in the category of a stress disorder
where the cortisol is all over the place.
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Basically, we stay in a state of stress way too
long and it stay there, you know.
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Cortisol.
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Cortisol.
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Cortisol.
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Come on.
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Give me that.
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That's what sounds like when our tones go off
and you're then you get in you come back and
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there's you you it's a physiological thing for
cortisol levels to come back down, and then
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What?
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And it and it just comes back up.
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You know?
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Yes.
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But not on someone that had had trauma.
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Well, okay.
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Research says that
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You're already out of state.
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Yeah.
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The cortisol doesn't reduce as much.
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So when another event happened the following
day, it raised higher than the previous day.
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Gotcha.
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And that makes sense because you're when you're
when you're traumatized or anybody that's dealt
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with trauma, you you have a sense of of, a
little bit of fight and flight, but more so
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hypervigilance and worry and anxiety.
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Even if you're not even if you're not diagnosed
as anxious or having anxiety, there is a
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heightened level of keeping what had happened
to you at the front level, and that's a way of
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protecting yourself to fight.
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You know?
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And then yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then yeah.
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Sure.
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So but because of that, the court's soul is
always through the roof.
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Others today demonstrate that when the cortisol
is high, the executive lob, the executive
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function in the frontal lobe, they are
bypassed.
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Okay.
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And that's the decision making section.
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Right?
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Where
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Decision making.
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To decide if you wanna keep something or throw
it away or organize it.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Planning, organization, working memory.
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You know, when you get in a room and what was I
coming to grab here?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That makes
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That kind of question.
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Yeah.
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So this is really, what's the problem is.
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Because without those function, how can you
keep her home tidy?
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That's a true question that I'm asking.
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Without those function, you know, we the
problem with mental health is we don't see the
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problem.
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Like, if it would be somebody, like, in
forecast and cannot do the dirt cluttering
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because they have broken leg and arm, people
see it.
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People acknowledge.
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But if people cannot do their decluttering
because their executive function, six of them
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are not working.
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Yeah.
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They cannot do as much as the other person.
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Yeah.
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Someone who, like myself, I've had multiple
versions of, orthopedic procedures and time
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off.
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And we've got, you know, people mowing the lawn
because they're like, oh, they see me walking
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the dogs, and I've got a cast on my arm.
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And they're like, oh, do you need help around
the house?
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When you walk around with a mental injury, you
know, or, you know, or a function of your brain
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that's not functioning unless you're unless
you, like, broadcast it to people.
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Hey, everybody.
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I've got a I've got a mental injury, not a
physical injury.
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I need help here.
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And most people aren't gonna that.
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You know?
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So Yeah.
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It goes undiagnosed or unnoticed.
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And then the the help you know, that that
portion that would accept the help with a
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physical injury is not there for the mental
injury.
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That makes so much sense.
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You're blowing my mind right now.
442
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I mean, I never even thought of it this way.
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That's why I wanted to have you on this podcast
and have this discussion with you, and for both
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of them because I think it's been fantastic
that you took what was a problem for you and
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same thing with me.
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I mean, I took a problem in my mental health,
you know, classes and organ and stuff that I
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was building for mental health resilience
training.
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And and I took and that was going god you know,
god awfully wrong.
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No one was interested, and I started my
podcast.
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And then when I started that podcast, I
realized, wait a second.
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I'm really good at podcasting, and I'm really
good at explaining to people how to podcast.
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So, let me start another podcast that's geared
more towards business because I've always been
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an entrepreneur.
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And for for us to have this conversation and
know that it's gonna benefit not only the
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business path because there's could be someone
out there listening.
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Maybe they're not a first responder.
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Maybe they're not, you know, maybe they're not
a hoarder, but this is, like, such a unique of
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area of of of concept concept that somebody may
have an obscure concept that they've been
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sitting on for years, and they have an
expertise in it, but they don't think it's a
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business, and they wanna start a business.
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And it's just lying there.
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And, like, wait a second.
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If someone can turn their, you know, hoarding
into a business, let's do it.
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Let me tell you something.
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The number of entrepreneur that I see that had
a trauma in their past Oh.
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And because of that, they're stuck.
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Yeah.
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In their business.
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They put it on the they put it on the reason of
procrastination and laziness.
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It's not.
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Often, it's because the trauma is there.
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Their desks are cluttered, and their executive
function are just saying no.
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Not right now.
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But it's possible to change that and then be
successful in business.
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So even in business, it's totally apply.
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Absolutely.
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And that's and, you know, and that's my
business what I've done with my business,
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including when I went even go back eight almost
nine years now for voice over when I started my
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voice over business.
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You know, it was always you're like, why did
you wanna become a voice over act?
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I mean, I know you like to talk, Kyle, but come
on.
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You know?
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Like, you wanna you wanna strap yourself in a
in a padded room and talk to a microphone in
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the walls?
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And I'm like, sure.
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You know?
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And I've got, you know, I've got the ability to
enunciate and and, you know, have different
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character voices, and that's one another reason
why I wanted to do voice over.
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But it was one of those things where it was it
was something that I could do that eventually I
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knew it would help someone.
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And sure enough, within the first year, I was
doing voice over for Atlanta or not not
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Atlanta, but Georgia, a suicide prevention
hotline.
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I was the voice over person for their one of
their campaigns, and I'm like, boom.
494
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There it is.
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And so once that happened, more confidence came
in, the understanding why you know, oh, this is
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the reason why I did it other than just the
fact that I've got a decent voice.
497
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You know?
498
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And and so it's it's neat to hear and talk to
somebody who's who's created something like you
499
00:22:21,505 --> 00:22:28,200
have that can help not only the entrepreneur
yourself and eventually, you know, and some of
500
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,240
those first responders.
501
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,559
And a lot of first responders are entrepreneurs
because we have time to do another job,
502
00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:34,200
hopefully.
503
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:39,914
I'm not a big fan of telling, first responders
that they should get a second job in because
504
00:22:39,914 --> 00:22:43,275
they have the time in the same industry that
they're first responder in.
505
00:22:43,275 --> 00:22:43,674
Right?
506
00:22:43,674 --> 00:22:44,714
It's just too much trauma.
507
00:22:44,714 --> 00:22:45,914
It's too much it's too much
508
00:22:46,154 --> 00:22:46,315
Yeah.
509
00:22:46,315 --> 00:22:46,394
Yeah.
510
00:22:46,394 --> 00:22:46,554
Yeah.
511
00:22:46,554 --> 00:22:47,034
Too much in.
512
00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:47,674
It's too much.
513
00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:47,914
Yeah.
514
00:22:47,914 --> 00:22:50,075
Like, find something else that's completely
separate.
515
00:22:50,075 --> 00:22:50,794
You know?
516
00:22:50,875 --> 00:22:51,275
Yeah.
517
00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:57,750
So that bring us to 2015, '20 '16,
approximately there, where I really start
518
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:59,829
working with client that had trauma.
519
00:23:00,869 --> 00:23:04,230
And then I specialize to work with people that
have trauma.
520
00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:10,404
We published our first book in 2018 with the
Dwell Method Explaining It.
521
00:23:11,605 --> 00:23:22,119
And then we put the business on hold for a
year, a year and a half just, before COVID.
522
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,720
It was not COVID yet.
523
00:23:24,679 --> 00:23:34,065
For some family reason, another member of my
household got a trauma, fever, PTSD.
524
00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:35,345
Had to help him.
525
00:23:35,345 --> 00:23:43,424
Something happened in his life that make him
really, really affected.
526
00:23:43,585 --> 00:23:43,984
Mhmm.
527
00:23:43,984 --> 00:23:50,750
So I say if I'm to help everybody out there, I
can help someone in my family.
528
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:52,029
And you've been through it.
529
00:23:52,029 --> 00:23:53,869
Like, you've are now you have the experience.
530
00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:54,829
You mean Correct.
531
00:23:54,829 --> 00:23:57,069
Same reason why I started the Elevate podcast.
532
00:23:57,150 --> 00:23:59,904
I came through my, you you know, my my blind
side.
533
00:23:59,904 --> 00:24:07,025
I was I wasn't labeled PTSD yet, but I was I
was clearly in my on the way, and I raised my
534
00:24:07,025 --> 00:24:08,705
hand before the thirty day period.
535
00:24:08,705 --> 00:24:14,190
And that's the only reason why I wasn't
diagnosed with PTSD is everything happened in a
536
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:21,230
really small period of time, and I recognized
the problem, because another similar incident
537
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:23,789
happened again within that thirty day period.
538
00:24:23,789 --> 00:24:26,109
And I got off a shift, and I'm like, oh, nope.
539
00:24:26,174 --> 00:24:26,975
I need help.
540
00:24:26,975 --> 00:24:27,375
You know?
541
00:24:27,375 --> 00:24:29,934
And, like, I'm you know, I wasn't suicidal at
the time.
542
00:24:29,934 --> 00:24:30,414
I don't think.
543
00:24:30,654 --> 00:24:34,734
Not now either, but, it's one of those things
where I just didn't feel right.
544
00:24:34,735 --> 00:24:40,494
And I'm like, I I reached out to my my mentor,
and we've always been open with our mental
545
00:24:40,494 --> 00:24:41,455
health with each other.
546
00:24:41,455 --> 00:24:42,750
And I just asked her.
547
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:43,869
I said, I don't feel right.
548
00:24:43,869 --> 00:24:45,230
I don't know what's going on with me.
549
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:48,910
I need you to come over and and figure out what
we need to do next, and she was
550
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:49,309
Yeah.
551
00:24:49,309 --> 00:24:49,549
She was
552
00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:50,750
Oh, that's really great.
553
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:50,990
Yeah.
554
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:51,390
Yeah.
555
00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:51,710
Good team.
556
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:52,269
I'm just lucky
557
00:24:52,269 --> 00:24:52,830
that way.
558
00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:57,255
But after I came through that, that's when I
was like, oh, I wanna I've got the education
559
00:24:57,255 --> 00:24:57,815
background.
560
00:24:57,815 --> 00:25:00,534
I wanna start something that can help first
responders.
561
00:25:00,855 --> 00:25:04,454
There's people that are I mean, I was twenty
years in before I had this blindside.
562
00:25:04,454 --> 00:25:04,934
Right?
563
00:25:05,095 --> 00:25:10,289
Twenty years of seeing things from hospital
from hospital trauma in in level one trauma
564
00:25:10,289 --> 00:25:15,009
centers and ERs as a respiratory therapist and
then all the stuff you see as a as a paramedic,
565
00:25:15,009 --> 00:25:20,304
let alone the two divorces I was able to, you
know, work through, and I'm meaning not two
566
00:25:20,304 --> 00:25:20,865
different wives.
567
00:25:20,865 --> 00:25:25,345
One wife, two possible divorces was able to
know, that's a traumatic situation, but but it
568
00:25:25,345 --> 00:25:28,304
all built from the previous traumas that wasn't
being dealt with.
569
00:25:28,304 --> 00:25:32,809
So it was it was a lot of times where things
were being poured into the cup, and I wasn't
570
00:25:32,809 --> 00:25:37,210
doing the right things to to, you know, file
those things away.
571
00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:40,809
So it built and built and built and built, and
then these two incidents has happened in a
572
00:25:40,809 --> 00:25:46,809
short period of time that caused this, like,
weird, you know, weird physical and emotional,
573
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:49,474
and mental issue with me in response.
574
00:25:49,474 --> 00:25:50,275
And I'm like, nope.
575
00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:52,034
And then got the help I needed.
576
00:25:52,194 --> 00:25:55,714
And on the backside of that, created what I
created, then that failed.
577
00:25:56,115 --> 00:25:58,674
And then that's when I'm like, I'm not gonna
let it beat me.
578
00:25:58,674 --> 00:25:58,914
You know?
579
00:25:58,914 --> 00:26:02,680
I'm not gonna let, you know, our stubbornness
and when I say our stubbornness, first
580
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,559
responder's stubbornness, I'm not gonna let
first first responder's stubbornness, you know,
581
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,799
defeat my ability to create something that I
know will help us.
582
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:16,275
And, yes, it is a business because I've got the
expertise to do what I had to do, to make that
583
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:16,754
business.
584
00:26:16,914 --> 00:26:18,275
And that's when it dawned on me.
585
00:26:18,275 --> 00:26:19,075
I'm like, wait a second.
586
00:26:19,075 --> 00:26:20,434
I already know how to podcast.
587
00:26:20,595 --> 00:26:22,754
I've never been my own podcast host.
588
00:26:22,755 --> 00:26:23,795
Start a podcast.
589
00:26:23,795 --> 00:26:25,714
Let's let's get back on track that way.
590
00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:27,650
And that's that's where we sit now.
591
00:26:27,650 --> 00:26:32,690
So a little bit more, when it comes to when you
decided so you took that year off.
592
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:36,369
That had to be hard because you felt I'm sure
at that point in time, you felt like, oh, we've
593
00:26:36,369 --> 00:26:36,769
got something.
594
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:37,970
We got lightning in a bottle.
595
00:26:38,049 --> 00:26:39,009
We've got a business.
596
00:26:39,009 --> 00:26:41,445
We you know, I'm no longer doing I'm no longer
getting paid
597
00:26:41,445 --> 00:26:43,525
for a first was a priority.
598
00:26:43,525 --> 00:26:43,845
Yeah.
599
00:26:43,845 --> 00:26:48,884
Family's a priority, but but so tell tell me a
little bit more about the decision that when
600
00:26:48,884 --> 00:26:54,819
you started realizing that this this new
outlook on trauma and what you've been through
601
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:59,859
and what you could basically, you know, provide
for your family and put food on the table with
602
00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:04,900
this concept and coach people and stage houses
and work with trauma people that are people
603
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:07,539
that have had trauma and they're decluttering.
604
00:27:07,539 --> 00:27:12,285
Like, what about that time frame where you had
your idea, then you had to you know, you left
605
00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:15,804
it for family first, but then what did that
stress do to you?
606
00:27:15,804 --> 00:27:17,404
Because I'm sure that was stressful because,
like
607
00:27:17,644 --> 00:27:18,684
stress not too bad.
608
00:27:18,684 --> 00:27:19,085
Okay.
609
00:27:19,085 --> 00:27:19,244
Yeah.
610
00:27:19,244 --> 00:27:19,644
Yes.
611
00:27:19,644 --> 00:27:23,404
There's some stress because there are no income
coming during that period of time.
612
00:27:24,259 --> 00:27:32,740
But, at that moment precisely, the business the
previous business, not that it was not
613
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:38,819
successful, but it was going in home
decluttering, and you can do only a maximum of
614
00:27:39,015 --> 00:27:45,815
certain number of client per day, and that
limit to your level of income and so on.
615
00:27:45,815 --> 00:27:48,454
But in 2020 when COVID hit
616
00:27:49,095 --> 00:27:49,974
Everything I
617
00:27:49,974 --> 00:27:51,734
right away say, oh my god.
618
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:55,899
All the world is getting traumatized right now.
619
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:56,380
Sure.
620
00:27:56,380 --> 00:28:00,779
So all the people that are already traumatized
Mhmm.
621
00:28:00,859 --> 00:28:03,019
Is just a hammer on the nail.
622
00:28:03,019 --> 00:28:03,339
Yep.
623
00:28:03,339 --> 00:28:04,059
Stacking it.
624
00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:04,539
Yep.
625
00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:05,420
Exactly.
626
00:28:06,795 --> 00:28:11,355
And with everybody starting to order online and
those toilet paper
627
00:28:12,394 --> 00:28:13,035
Shortages.
628
00:28:13,035 --> 00:28:13,434
Yeah.
629
00:28:13,434 --> 00:28:14,154
Hoarding.
630
00:28:18,075 --> 00:28:23,670
But with all of that, I told my husband, Jim, I
say, we need to do something.
631
00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:24,309
Gotcha.
632
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:26,069
We we need now.
633
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:26,710
Yeah.
634
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:27,990
Not in two years.
635
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:29,349
Not now.
636
00:28:29,509 --> 00:28:37,325
So in 2020, we organized the coping with trauma
summit that had over 8,000 people that came to
637
00:28:37,325 --> 00:28:39,964
the summit between Christmas and New Year.
638
00:28:40,045 --> 00:28:44,605
It was an online summit in 2020 between
Christmas and New Year.
639
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:45,005
Okay.
640
00:28:45,005 --> 00:28:47,484
So Because it's always a tough people tough.
641
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:48,029
Right.
642
00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,190
Period of time for people with trauma.
643
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:50,509
Sure.
644
00:28:50,509 --> 00:28:52,670
Nine months after COVID stopped the world.
645
00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:53,150
Okay.
646
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:53,710
Yeah.
647
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:57,230
That that first Christmas, we were all
essentially told to never go anywhere and be
648
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:57,549
alone.
649
00:28:57,549 --> 00:28:58,029
Exactly.
650
00:28:58,509 --> 00:28:59,150
That one.
651
00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:02,904
That was a hard one too because we did
Thanksgiving that year via Zoom.
652
00:29:03,305 --> 00:29:03,944
Yes.
653
00:29:04,105 --> 00:29:05,224
We did the same.
654
00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:06,105
Yep.
655
00:29:06,984 --> 00:29:07,384
Yeah.
656
00:29:07,384 --> 00:29:13,224
So we at the the coping with trauma summit, it
was a real success.
657
00:29:13,224 --> 00:29:18,839
People were telling how they everything they
were dealing with.
658
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:19,480
You know?
659
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:20,279
Mhmm.
660
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:29,079
So right away in 2021, we started what came
eventually what we have now as our one year
661
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:29,480
program.
662
00:29:29,904 --> 00:29:30,544
Okay.
663
00:29:30,865 --> 00:29:35,984
And you so now you have a program where are you
still seeing people physically in your local
664
00:29:35,984 --> 00:29:37,265
area, or is it all online?
665
00:29:37,265 --> 00:29:39,504
It's all online.
666
00:29:39,664 --> 00:29:42,224
I have client around all North America.
667
00:29:42,224 --> 00:29:44,704
I have client in Great Britain, in Australia.
668
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,759
And is that, like, a weekly meeting that you
have?
669
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,480
And then do you, like, when it comes to
decluttering, do you, like do they take their
670
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,960
iPhone and show you what they've got or what
they, you know, like
671
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:59,279
It's a little bit more the thing is what I did
is, you know, with trauma, the problem is you
672
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,480
never know when you get triggered.
673
00:30:00,724 --> 00:30:01,444
Sure.
674
00:30:01,445 --> 00:30:02,244
Oh, absolutely.
675
00:30:02,244 --> 00:30:05,444
So I created the safety net of meeting.
676
00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:06,325
Yeah.
677
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:11,365
So there's meeting Monday to Saturday, and
there's different time in the day.
678
00:30:11,365 --> 00:30:16,005
So it's really like a safety net that if
something pop up, they can jump on a meeting.
679
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:17,079
Okay.
680
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:17,639
Okay.
681
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,279
Doesn't mean to come one on one?
682
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,039
It's group style.
683
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,079
It doesn't mean to come at every single
meeting.
684
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:26,759
Some do.
685
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:28,519
Some come to two meetings a week.
686
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:31,914
So it's really depending of the individual, you
know.
687
00:30:32,954 --> 00:30:43,210
But, there's some online component of material
that we recorded and there's a workbook.
688
00:30:43,289 --> 00:30:45,130
There's the group.
689
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:47,210
We're coaching at them.
690
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:52,809
And yes, I have some client in private, but
most people are in the group program.
691
00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:57,384
So the group program could be a good and that's
and that's exactly what I wanted to do with my
692
00:30:57,384 --> 00:31:02,505
first responder mental health resiliency
training is eventually do a point where we've
693
00:31:02,505 --> 00:31:03,065
got a group.
694
00:31:03,065 --> 00:31:03,305
You know?
695
00:31:03,305 --> 00:31:05,224
We've got someone we meet once a week.
696
00:31:05,305 --> 00:31:07,224
We've got we we share our stories.
697
00:31:07,224 --> 00:31:11,539
We talk about our successes, our struggles, and
I had all this stuff planned.
698
00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:12,819
It's just no one would ever sign up.
699
00:31:12,819 --> 00:31:15,779
No one ever no one even ever showed up for the
webinars.
700
00:31:16,019 --> 00:31:17,779
That's not easy at the beginning.
701
00:31:17,779 --> 00:31:18,419
Not easy.
702
00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:18,900
Not easy.
703
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,179
Not in five months worth of no one showing up,
that's when I was like, man, I'm
704
00:31:22,179 --> 00:31:23,614
pretty Yep.
705
00:31:23,694 --> 00:31:24,414
So it Do
706
00:31:24,414 --> 00:31:26,974
it for one year every single day.
707
00:31:26,974 --> 00:31:27,375
Exactly.
708
00:31:27,375 --> 00:31:28,335
But that's when I started.
709
00:31:28,335 --> 00:31:32,014
And I've already I've I know for a fact that
I've already helped probably more first
710
00:31:32,014 --> 00:31:36,410
responders starting my podcast by having it out
there in the world for people to tune in at
711
00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:42,410
their leisure and get the information, you
know, from the at their pace instead of this
712
00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:45,529
forced pace, which is also a problem with us
first responders.
713
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:46,970
We don't feel like we need the help.
714
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:52,934
So it's a nice, you know, non nonabrupt way for
them to to tune in to to hear the different
715
00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:55,494
strategies and the different things that that I
that I present.
716
00:31:55,894 --> 00:31:58,775
And then, you know, I talk about both podcasts
on each podcast.
717
00:31:58,775 --> 00:32:02,880
So sometimes the entrepreneurs, as I'm talking
on the other podcast, they come over to this
718
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,039
podcast, and they get entrepreneurial help.
719
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,279
So it's like it's like a it's like two of my
you know, my two passions now, of course, and
720
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,679
are you know, my first responder world is still
a passion.
721
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:12,400
I'm still doing it.
722
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,640
I'm nine years away from retirement, but I
wanna do something after retirement that still
723
00:32:16,095 --> 00:32:17,294
helps our our people.
724
00:32:17,615 --> 00:32:23,615
And and this podcast and what I'm building with
this, and now I've been I've had people that
725
00:32:23,615 --> 00:32:28,815
have are running events that are May that are
asking me to come and speak as first responder.
726
00:32:28,815 --> 00:32:32,779
I've got people asking me to come and speak as
business entrepreneur.
727
00:32:32,859 --> 00:32:39,340
So it it's a good it's a good mix of both
things and showing other first responders that
728
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:41,660
that, you know, that there is It's possible.
729
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:44,539
Something out there that you can do if you have
just an idea.
730
00:32:44,779 --> 00:32:50,434
So let's get back to, so the way that you
structure everything now is do you how do you
731
00:32:50,434 --> 00:32:52,194
get how do you generate your leads?
732
00:32:52,194 --> 00:32:55,875
Is it what about Facebook ads?
733
00:32:56,674 --> 00:32:58,355
We add Facebook ads.
734
00:32:58,994 --> 00:33:00,434
We add a YouTube channel.
735
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,679
We have a YouTube channel, and we have a
podcast.
736
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:04,159
Okay.
737
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:04,720
Great.
738
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,879
So, basically, it's our three way of generating
leads.
739
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Okay.
740
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:18,105
Word-of-mouth, we would love to, but we're
talking about two stigma here.
741
00:33:18,505 --> 00:33:19,144
Mhmm.
742
00:33:19,225 --> 00:33:20,105
It's a different stigma
743
00:33:20,105 --> 00:33:20,505
when you're
744
00:33:20,505 --> 00:33:26,664
taking the not just the mental issue, but then
now you're you're exposing a physical problem
745
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,599
in their space, and that's and that's very,
very intimate.
746
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,000
You know?
747
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,480
I get it.
748
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,839
Because most of the people don't let their
friends and even sometimes their family get in
749
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,440
their house because they feel ashamed of it.
750
00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:41,315
Yeah.
751
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:42,355
Yeah.
752
00:33:42,355 --> 00:33:42,914
I'm lucky.
753
00:33:42,914 --> 00:33:44,355
My my wife's a nurse.
754
00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:45,714
And do we have clutter?
755
00:33:45,714 --> 00:33:46,355
A %.
756
00:33:46,355 --> 00:33:49,714
Do we have a room called the mystery bedroom
where it's hard to walk through?
757
00:33:49,714 --> 00:33:51,394
But that's, like, the catch all.
758
00:33:51,394 --> 00:33:52,355
But it's like Yeah.
759
00:33:52,355 --> 00:33:54,990
But, you know, it's one of those things where
we do our best keep up.
760
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:59,230
We do have four dogs, so that helps because we
gotta keep things, you know, cleaned up for
761
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:59,470
them.
762
00:33:59,470 --> 00:34:00,829
But but, no, we have our own.
763
00:34:00,829 --> 00:34:04,430
I mean, and it's one of those things where I've
got an attic or not an attic.
764
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:07,470
I've got a crawl space that has so much stuff.
765
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:12,434
Like, I I would need to go and probably I could
nix probably a third of what's up there.
766
00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:16,755
A lot of it's, you know, previous stuff like
toys for the kids and pictures and stuff like
767
00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:17,234
that.
768
00:34:17,234 --> 00:34:20,675
But a lot of stuff like the different, like,
you know, like Christmas decorations.
769
00:34:20,675 --> 00:34:21,795
We've got way too many district.
770
00:34:21,795 --> 00:34:25,719
We don't even use half of the Christmas
decorations we have, but then you start to
771
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,599
think about throwing them away.
772
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:28,199
We're like, well, I may do this.
773
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:28,599
You know?
774
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,400
So Yes.
775
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:29,880
And
776
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,359
that's just the only problem.
777
00:34:32,359 --> 00:34:34,760
When people start decluttering, they feel
overwhelmed.
778
00:34:35,335 --> 00:34:36,614
Well, then that's the biggest part.
779
00:34:36,614 --> 00:34:37,494
Yeah.
780
00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:41,095
If they didn't deal with the trauma Yeah.
781
00:34:41,335 --> 00:34:48,535
And they start right away with decluttering the
physical space, it's a road for failure.
782
00:34:49,059 --> 00:34:49,699
Yeah.
783
00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:53,619
It's in the sense that it makes like a
pendulum.
784
00:34:53,619 --> 00:34:54,179
You know?
785
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:55,859
You let go of clutter, it come back.
786
00:34:55,859 --> 00:34:57,299
You let go of clutter, it come back.
787
00:34:57,299 --> 00:34:58,980
You let go of clutter, come back.
788
00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:59,539
You know?
789
00:34:59,539 --> 00:35:02,820
We just went to Disney last weekend, and we got
more stuff.
790
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:03,780
You know what I mean?
791
00:35:04,179 --> 00:35:04,500
Yeah.
792
00:35:04,695 --> 00:35:06,454
That that's what I him.
793
00:35:06,375 --> 00:35:07,575
To be a how do I pack?
794
00:35:07,575 --> 00:35:08,855
And I'm a box hoarder.
795
00:35:08,934 --> 00:35:11,494
I love my technology boxes.
796
00:35:11,575 --> 00:35:13,094
Everything's packaged so pretty now.
797
00:35:13,094 --> 00:35:15,655
Like, why can't throw this iPhone box away?
798
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:19,010
I'll never use that iPhone box again, but it's
packaged so nicely.
799
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:19,329
You know?
800
00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:23,570
It's like and so I've gotten a little bit
better with that, and I have you know?
801
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:28,050
But another reason why I don't throw away boxes
if especially with technology is sometimes,
802
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:29,570
well, what if I sell that technology?
803
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:31,489
I wanna be able to sell it with the original
box.
804
00:35:31,894 --> 00:35:36,295
And I've had to I've had to I've struggled with
that a little bit too because I understand that
805
00:35:36,295 --> 00:35:40,855
it's worth more or at least looks better to a
buyer when it's in the original box.
806
00:35:40,934 --> 00:35:43,175
So it's just, you know, what do I do with that?
807
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:46,789
So I was able to have some strategic areas to
hold that stuff.
808
00:35:46,869 --> 00:35:49,510
That strategic area has now been gotten rid of.
809
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:53,349
So now I have just a bunch of boxes on a desk
in that mystery bedroom, and I need to figure
810
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:54,150
out what to do with it.
811
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:54,469
But I will.
812
00:35:57,984 --> 00:35:58,385
Yeah.
813
00:35:58,385 --> 00:36:02,864
So that that bring us to where we are right
now.
814
00:36:03,025 --> 00:36:06,545
So when it's when you when you have the so is
it truly webinar?
815
00:36:06,545 --> 00:36:09,984
Like, are you having another webinar soon to be
able to inform people of this?
816
00:36:09,984 --> 00:36:11,929
Or, like, what can we promote for you?
817
00:36:11,929 --> 00:36:17,210
What can I what can you talk about now that
that anybody listening could go and find what
818
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:21,530
you do, how to get you know, I'm sure you do a
free consult and all that good stuff?
819
00:36:21,690 --> 00:36:27,045
So, what is it that you do now to to help
people go to the next stage once they hear what
820
00:36:27,045 --> 00:36:27,445
you do?
821
00:36:27,445 --> 00:36:30,005
And and it's intriguing, and it's interesting
to them.
822
00:36:30,324 --> 00:36:31,045
Yeah.
823
00:36:31,445 --> 00:36:34,805
Let's say there's two things that I want to
mention.
824
00:36:35,204 --> 00:36:42,860
One is a lead by net, an offer that I want to
do to people.
825
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:43,579
Okay.
826
00:36:43,579 --> 00:36:47,019
It's to get the seven secrets of decluttering.
827
00:36:47,019 --> 00:36:47,340
Okay.
828
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:47,739
Perfect.
829
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:55,034
And I will provide you, yeah, I will provide
you the address so you can put it in there.
830
00:36:55,034 --> 00:37:05,940
People can complete a short form, and then,
they can get into the receiving that first page
831
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:08,900
explaining them seven secrets of decluttering.
832
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:09,460
Okay.
833
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:14,980
And just to give you an example of one of the
secrets, like, you know how people have
834
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:18,260
tendency to touch everything when they
declutter a little bit like?
835
00:37:18,625 --> 00:37:24,065
The thing is when you touch your belongings,
there's a link between the sense of touch and
836
00:37:24,065 --> 00:37:25,744
the limbic system in the brain.
837
00:37:26,305 --> 00:37:26,945
Oh.
838
00:37:27,344 --> 00:37:29,345
Limbic system, we're talking about Yeah.
839
00:37:30,385 --> 00:37:31,105
Trauma.
840
00:37:31,105 --> 00:37:33,425
I love getting into the science tech and nerdy
stuff.
841
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:38,969
So the problem is people touch, let's say, that
little plush toy.
842
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:39,369
Sure.
843
00:37:39,369 --> 00:37:42,889
And they're, oh, it's cute, and they pet it,
and all of that.
844
00:37:42,889 --> 00:37:44,889
They don't want to let it go anymore.
845
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:45,609
Right.
846
00:37:45,609 --> 00:37:46,329
That makes sense.
847
00:37:46,329 --> 00:37:54,164
When someone like Mary Condole, to just name
her, that go out there and say you need to
848
00:37:54,164 --> 00:37:56,485
touch everything and do you feel joy?
849
00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,525
It works for some people.
850
00:37:59,844 --> 00:38:05,719
It doesn't work for people with trauma because
they don't know at some point what does that
851
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,160
mean feeling joy.
852
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,199
And the minute they touch things, they are hit
by the wave of emotion of everything that is
853
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:15,800
accumulated in the limbic system.
854
00:38:16,835 --> 00:38:23,074
So it's not that joy that commits, that fear,
that anger, that sadness, that shame, that and
855
00:38:23,074 --> 00:38:24,835
then people become overwhelmed.
856
00:38:24,994 --> 00:38:27,795
They don't put the name of what they feel.
857
00:38:27,795 --> 00:38:32,579
They don't know that it's all these emotion
mixed, And they say, I'm overwhelmed.
858
00:38:32,579 --> 00:38:36,500
I need to do something else, and they go stroll
on their phone or do something else.
859
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:37,139
Sure.
860
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:40,659
That's why people feel overwhelmed when they
try to declutter.
861
00:38:40,659 --> 00:38:45,835
And and that's probably the hardest part for
most people is that that overwhelmingness.
862
00:38:45,835 --> 00:38:46,394
Yeah.
863
00:38:46,554 --> 00:38:48,074
That overwhelmingness.
864
00:38:48,474 --> 00:38:49,914
Wear a pair of gloves.
865
00:38:50,315 --> 00:38:52,875
Well, just even oh, so you don't get the
tactile for
866
00:38:52,954 --> 00:38:53,355
Seriously?
867
00:38:53,355 --> 00:38:54,714
You don't get the tactile?
868
00:38:54,714 --> 00:38:56,634
People declutter 40% more.
869
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:58,130
Interesting.
870
00:38:58,130 --> 00:39:00,530
And and you don't have to wash your hands so
often.
871
00:39:00,530 --> 00:39:06,369
And people are not as tired at the end of the
decluttering session, and they make objective
872
00:39:06,369 --> 00:39:08,450
decisions so they don't have regrets.
873
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:12,085
I think that's probably the biggest thing,
especially for me because I've been known to be
874
00:39:12,085 --> 00:39:13,204
a procrastinator.
875
00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:14,085
You know?
876
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:19,045
And I've done a lot of stuff trying to, curb my
procrastination.
877
00:39:20,404 --> 00:39:26,130
And I guess that's probably the toughest thing
is that is that overwhelm to get started.
878
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:30,289
Like, that like, as soon as I'm started, my
ADHD kicks in, and I'm awesome.
879
00:39:30,289 --> 00:39:32,050
You know, I can I can make decisions?
880
00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:34,289
You know, I can I can set okay?
881
00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:37,329
I I don't know about this one yet, and I'll set
it into a corner, and then I'll like, nope.
882
00:39:37,329 --> 00:39:38,530
I don't care about that, and I'll throw it
away.
883
00:39:38,825 --> 00:39:44,505
Like, as when I start getting when I when I
want as soon as I turn the corner of doing any
884
00:39:44,505 --> 00:39:48,345
of my projects, whether that's building,
whether that's, you know, decluttering my
885
00:39:48,425 --> 00:39:50,105
because I've I've had issues with decluttering.
886
00:39:50,105 --> 00:39:51,465
I have, and it makes total sense.
887
00:39:51,465 --> 00:39:52,425
That's why I wanted to talk to you.
888
00:39:53,809 --> 00:39:55,730
And so this is kind of helpful for me too.
889
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:58,929
And as a as a personal realm, let alone who's
listening.
890
00:39:58,929 --> 00:40:01,650
But, yeah, that getting started, I think, is
the hardest part.
891
00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:05,250
And let me tell you that and that sucks.
892
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:09,984
But the reason why is because the trauma is not
all let it go.
893
00:40:10,304 --> 00:40:10,704
Sure.
894
00:40:10,704 --> 00:40:11,105
Oh, yeah.
895
00:40:11,105 --> 00:40:15,105
There's still so much dormant trauma in all of
us first responders and people.
896
00:40:15,105 --> 00:40:16,304
And That's why.
897
00:40:16,384 --> 00:40:16,625
Yeah.
898
00:40:16,625 --> 00:40:23,349
When we let go of the coping mechanism
associated with the trauma, then we're able to
899
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:23,909
pass.
900
00:40:23,909 --> 00:40:29,670
So we developed a four step process that we'll
talk in the other podcast, but that really
901
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:33,909
allow people to be able to declutter and
maintain it after.
902
00:40:34,405 --> 00:40:35,204
Fantastic.
903
00:40:35,204 --> 00:40:36,005
So yeah.
904
00:40:36,005 --> 00:40:36,565
Awesome.
905
00:40:36,724 --> 00:40:39,525
Just a little bracket on Yeah.
906
00:40:39,525 --> 00:40:39,684
No.
907
00:40:39,684 --> 00:40:40,085
That's great.
908
00:40:40,244 --> 00:40:43,525
Gloves and the sense of touch that is one of
the secrets.
909
00:40:43,525 --> 00:40:45,525
As soon as you held up the gloves, I'm like,
tactile.
910
00:40:45,525 --> 00:40:46,325
I'm like, that's why.
911
00:40:46,325 --> 00:40:46,724
Yeah.
912
00:40:46,724 --> 00:40:47,525
You touch something.
913
00:40:47,525 --> 00:40:48,485
You feel that softness.
914
00:40:48,485 --> 00:40:52,319
You remember the memory of that softness, that
hardness, that that toy you picked up that you
915
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,359
had so much fun with.
916
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,119
You remember having that toy in your hands.
917
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,799
Like, our memories are way better than we think
on on all of our senses.
918
00:40:58,799 --> 00:41:00,239
Of course, smell is the best.
919
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,235
You know, maybe you should tell people to clog
their nose as they clean up stuff that may have
920
00:41:04,235 --> 00:41:04,474
smell
921
00:41:04,715 --> 00:41:06,555
I have something for their sense of smell.
922
00:41:06,555 --> 00:41:06,954
Yeah.
923
00:41:06,954 --> 00:41:08,394
Because smell is the strongest.
924
00:41:08,394 --> 00:41:08,635
Yeah.
925
00:41:08,635 --> 00:41:08,954
Smell is
926
00:41:08,954 --> 00:41:09,515
the strongest.
927
00:41:09,515 --> 00:41:10,795
Touch is is up there.
928
00:41:11,114 --> 00:41:17,594
You know, I think audio, listening hearing
something is second highest in memory recall,
929
00:41:17,949 --> 00:41:19,710
but tactile is right there with it.
930
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:20,510
So alright.
931
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:20,750
Great.
932
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:22,190
Well, well, let's bring things to an end.
933
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:22,829
Do you have anything else?
934
00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:23,150
Oh, sorry.
935
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:23,949
Didn't wanna touch off.
936
00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:24,190
Did you have
937
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:29,789
something people, I'm not sure when that will
be broadcasted, but when you get the seven
938
00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:35,764
secrets, when you receive that, don't hesitate
to email us back.
939
00:41:35,764 --> 00:41:36,325
Okay.
940
00:41:36,724 --> 00:41:41,844
Because we frequently have some master class or
challenge Okay.
941
00:41:41,925 --> 00:41:44,244
For And once once they sign
942
00:41:44,244 --> 00:41:47,150
up for that, are they in, like, your your
943
00:41:47,309 --> 00:41:47,469
Yes.
944
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:50,829
Your chain of your chain of of of
communication?
945
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:51,309
Okay.
946
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:51,869
Yes.
947
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:58,910
So they can get to know, like, we are yielding
one on the sixth to the May 8.
948
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:59,230
Okay.
949
00:41:59,230 --> 00:41:59,710
Next week.
950
00:41:59,710 --> 00:41:59,950
Yep.
951
00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:06,425
We have we're having a master class, and that
would be really, really fun where I talk more
952
00:42:06,425 --> 00:42:11,704
about different strategy to be able to tackle
that clutter.
953
00:42:11,945 --> 00:42:12,585
Okay.
954
00:42:12,825 --> 00:42:13,785
Well, fantastic.
955
00:42:13,785 --> 00:42:17,065
And we'll put that link to that master class
sign up.
956
00:42:17,065 --> 00:42:21,230
If people have clutter, I highly encourage them
to come to the masterclass.
957
00:42:21,309 --> 00:42:21,789
Awesome.
958
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:22,349
Awesome.
959
00:42:22,429 --> 00:42:26,030
Well, Valerie, thank you so much for coming on
the Ignition Path podcast today.
960
00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:30,875
I have so many more questions, of course, but I
think I'm gonna save those for the because it's
961
00:42:30,875 --> 00:42:36,635
more first responder oriented, and it'll we'll
we'll dive deeper into that whole world of
962
00:42:36,635 --> 00:42:40,635
first responders and and how many people right
now that you work with that are first
963
00:42:40,635 --> 00:42:46,849
responders and and those first responders that
are listening, that may, need need don't even
964
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:48,450
know that they need this help.
965
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:52,130
But for now, you know, the ignition path, thank
you so much for sharing your story.
966
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:53,490
It's a very great one.
967
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:58,610
Those who are listening and hearing Valerie's
story, just know that no matter what business
968
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:03,324
idea you have and you're already doing
something else out there, just keep just keep
969
00:43:03,324 --> 00:43:05,644
swimming just like they say in in in Nemo.
970
00:43:05,644 --> 00:43:07,644
Dory keeps just keep swimming.
971
00:43:07,644 --> 00:43:09,164
Keep on plugging away.
972
00:43:09,324 --> 00:43:14,150
If you fail, just like I mentioned that I
failed on one portion of my business, my I
973
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:15,110
failed forward.
974
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:19,990
I failed and went into the podcasting, which
then accelerated everything else.
975
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:23,430
Then now it's come full circle, and I'm helping
first responders in other ways.
976
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:29,755
So, so just know that the that the Ignition
Path podcast is put out there for you to have
977
00:43:29,755 --> 00:43:34,635
understanding and courage to get through the
problems that you face, to spark those ideas
978
00:43:34,635 --> 00:43:39,840
that you may be pushing down, to understand
that that all of my other episodes have very
979
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,559
unique different business paths, and I I highly
encourage you to tune into those.
980
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,720
But, Valerie, thanks so much for coming on
today.
981
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,160
And, of course, all of her information that we
talked about will be in the show notes.
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And, don't forget to like, subscribe, and
share.
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And if you've listened to any part of this
episode today and you, you it resonates with
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you or someone else that you may know, hit that
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through your computer, and let them hear it
too.
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So thanks so much, Valerie, for coming on.
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I appreciate it.
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Thank you so much, Kyle.
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Alright.
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Take care.
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