Lindsay: What's your price to depend entirely on coin flips for all? Yes or no decisions over the next six months or legally change your name to wasn't muggy or to replace your hands with mine controlled robotic prosthetics.
Aron: Let's find out here to give each hypothetical the dialectical and get reflective on the subjective and make you wow.
Well with some know-how we are your hosts, Aron Reuben Korney and Lindsay Hicks. Also 20th today is a very special guest Microsoft research. Maurice
Lindsay: diesel truck. Oh man. It's about to get computer smart up in here. Let's kick it
Aron: here with us. Today is a man named Marise decent drug, a machine learning scientist at Microsoft research. You hear that? Microsoft research. I
Lindsay: hear it loud and clear because of people like
Aron: him. And if I'm correct, Merissa dabbles in pokes at computers
Maurice: that's accurate. That's what I do dabble in poke. That sounds
Lindsay: so high tech shovel.
Aron: What does dabbling in poking encompass
Maurice: it's numbers? It's uh, it's metal and glass sand made of con yes.
Aron: Is it a beach made of plastic Silicon sand that you all swim at? Blood diamonds. So you just sit at the beach all day and talk about Silicon. Yeah.
Maurice: That's pretty much it. Have you seen Silicon valley?
The TV show? It's nothing like that. Oh,
Aron: Maurice's decided that he wants to play. What's your price with Lindsey and I, so we're going to go ahead and pull him right into the Silicon sanded beach with us and go a little swim swims. Lindsay, you want to, you want to wipe out the paddle?
Lindsay: Um, my little, my little swim cap on I've got my goose waste air bubble.
I have. Fins to swim extra fast. I've got my nose clamp. I've got my earplugs and I've got my goggles and I'm ready to jump right in this pool. BOMO, can I call you Momo? Momo. What is your price to depend entirely on coin flip. For all. Yes or no decisions over the next six months.
Maurice: Okay. So I gave this some thought and naturally as someone who studies statistics, my first question is, is the coin evenly.
Lindsay: Are there unevenly weighted coins.
Maurice: Sure. You attach some peanut butter to one end and then it doesn't flip the
Aron: same. Let's presume that this is the center of gravity is dead center in that thing.
Maurice: Sure. Okay. So I have some more questions, a series of questions that I, I need to suss out before I get to a number.
So next question. Do I get to do the flip and enjoy the theater of it all? Or is this like a flip decision that's phoned in from afar? Can
Aron: I take a branch off of your question and ask a sub question, please? I think this is something we all have to establish because otherwise you can get an, a, like magicians do and people who like rig coin flip game.
Do you guys know how a magician can flip a coin, like 10 times and note always get heads or tails.
Maurice: I figured they were just really good with their fingers. It's a fake
Aron: coin. I don't know what to do with YouTube, but yeah, ultimately they take the coin, they flip it, they catch it in their hand and they rubbed their thumb gently across it to feel if it's the bulbous head side or not.
And as they do that, they can flip it onto the back of their wrist. Place it either way based on just a quick feel. So it's a little tipsy grabbing, honestly,
Lindsay: I'm more impressed with that than if they just get,
Aron: so I think we have to pretend we live in a world where you have a coin Butler, gratis doing the flip for you.
Who is an honest man.
Lindsay: Can I ask another question about the coin Butler or
Aron: buttress? Yes.
Lindsay: Um, do I have to have. Like, I know I don't have to pay his salary, but like, do I have to put them up?
Aron: Pretend the organization financing, these stupid things we do here.
Lindsay: They provide his, his housing, his salary. So there's no, there's no fee to keep the Butler.
Maurice: Sure. That's a, that's a good like age, gender name. So Francis comes along, like it's part of the scene. Ah, let me please let me refer to my Butler.
Aron: Let's not think about Francis too much. I don't know if I can
Lindsay: avoid thinking about Francis too much. Cause there's a lot. There's going to be a lot of Francis in my life.
You
Aron: know what I mean? How about this? Francis has a whole setup remotely. They flip the coin and they'll text you the results. So you have to do is text a prompt to Francis and say flip.
Maurice: Okay. So this dramatically lowers the value for me or increases the cost. Okay. Because I would want it, it would be easier for me to take this on at a lower price.
If I got the benefit of someone nearby being able to do that for. With friends in front of like a deli counter. Like, do you want half a pound or a whole pound? I mean, like just wait.
Aron: Yeah, you look down at your phone at the Frances app, you click it. Frances does a flip ski. You get the results.
Lindsay: You know what a Francis has to go to the bathroom and Francis takes a little bit longer than you.
Aron: We're not worrying about Francis. Francis is fine.
Lindsay: I'm sorry, I'm just so obsessed with Francis. I want to like have a personal relationship with this person. Who's going to be such an intimate part of my life for six months. Is there like an add-on to the Frances relationship? Like if I pay extra per month, can I get to know Francis
Maurice: a little bit better?
You're asking about a Francis with benefits.
Okay. Well, just to see if I was clear about that, like how many, yes or no decisions are you going to have in six months? I was trying to think of this. What are the typical yes or no decisions? I want to go out
Lindsay: tonight. That would suck if I really wanted to go. And then I had to like, be like, yes I do. But I can't just tell you that because I've agreed.
You know what I mean? So then I can't go out or somebody asks me to go out and I don't want to go. And the thing says yes, and then I have to go, you know, you definitely
Aron: don't want to tell your friends. Because then your friends will be like, Hey, you want to like drive in the opposite lane on your way here?
Maurice: Yeah. I was wondering if, if it can be abused, like if I can say like, should I eat Mac and cheese flip? Should I eat Mac and cheese? Should I, I can cheese. And then eventually I'll eat Mac and cheese. And maybe like 10 times, if I
Aron: ask 20, if your loved ones know about this, they could really troll you. Like they should be like, Hey, do you want to give me a check for $200?
Maurice: It's true. And if it's binding, you'd have to
Aron: give it. But if it's a yes, you can say yes, I do want to. But I'm not going to, and then they say, are you going to, and then like, you could play some antiques all over this also. It's not that bad.
Maurice: That's true. Uh, Lindsay, on what you mentioned, if your friends are asking, if you want to go out, it's a good alibi to have the Korney.
Because then you can just say like, uh, the coin said, no, it's not that I don't want to go. It's that the coin said no,
Aron: well, it's Francis said no.
Lindsay: Right. So really to be able to like, say like, I'm letting this take over my life because it's not a very, uh, very feminist thing to do, to like, give this being control over your very basic decisions.
So if I'm going to give up feminism for six months on any level, that's it.
Aron: That's crazy. How is yielding Mr. Francis giving up feminists?
Lindsay: Because I'm giving up my own desires. I'm giving up my own autonomy in a way. And I don't think that that is a feminist.
Maurice: That someone else is choosing for
Aron: six months, the coin flip or giving up feminism
Maurice: both.
Yes.
Lindsay: Only this aspect of it. I'm just saying it's kind of embarrassing as an adult human to say, sorry. Francis says I can't. So. I imagine that's like having a parent
Aron: again, it's also tough for dating, right? Everything from dates to sex, to relationships, to commitments, to having kids like raising a child together.
Like, someone's like, Hey, you should really like, let your child cry themselves to sleep. And you're like, I don't know. Should I? And Francis like, yes. You know, like, well I've traumatized my child. For
Maurice: Francis. So you'd have to live a pretty different life for six months. If you want it to be very conservative about it, you can isolate yourself.
Aron: I can see like six months later though. You're like living in like an African tribe and you've given up all your worldly, possessions. And one, if you're like best friends owns everything of yours, just the wrong person can really mess with us.
Lindsay: Yeah. So, you know, you gotta, you have to assume that Francis without meaning.
You have to assume that you could lose everything in this process. You know what I mean? If somebody says, can I have all of your money and assets? And the coin says, yes, and you give
Aron: away your phone and now you can't get access to Frances. What happens? Right. Someone goes like somewhat, some beggar goes up to you and says, Hey, I'm having a hard time.
I don't know how, how altruistic you're feeling, but can I have your phone? And you're like Francis. Yeah. And for instance, like, yeah, what happens? I
Lindsay: think Francis has to come find you and give you another phone. I think that's part of the deal.
Maurice: And in the meantime, if you don't have access to the app, you're just back to where you were before, which is
Aron: not knowing, do you have to flip a coin until Francis gets there
Lindsay: having a little emergency coin just in case.
Aron: I'm surprised that Moe did not come in with guns ablazing on the statistical side of this.
Maurice: I just, I think I'm just okay. With the kinds of yes or no decisions that come up naturally. So assuming no abuse, this is fairly low cost for me. I would just take on the adventure and it's like, okay, do you want to go out?
No. Will you write about. Well, you eat your guilty pleasure. Cheapo hamburger. Yes. No, it doesn't matter. Hey, do you
Aron: have to, do you have to use the bathroom when a coin flip change? How I feel? No, but your answer might be like, Hey, do you want to use my restroom before we leave? And you flip it into note, but you really have to pee.
So then you have to dead stare your friend as you wet yourself.
Lindsay: There's a market for that.
Maurice: Like I said, just take on the adventure, man.
Aron: So what's it worth to you? Let's get, let's get down to the meat and
Maurice: potatoes. I think this is worth like a thousand dollars a year. Yeah, I would do it for six grand. Just think, I can't imagine serious decisions actually happening that yes or no would make a, like a huge difference.
I guess people only ask me trivial. Yes or no
Aron: questions. Not just that it's depending entirely for all. Yes or no decisions, not questions. Decisions. I don't know, it's a, it, uh, to me, this one's like, you could be devastating.
Lindsay: That's how I feel about it. I feel like somebody finds out that I'm doing this and they ask me every time they see me, if they can have everything I
Aron: own.
So to like replace everything you own is a to go everything
Lindsay: I own. But then like, you know, the, the emotional vulnerability for that length of time is just, and also like the trouble of having to. Every
Aron: time. It's like, what would most says he'd locked himself in the home. The problem is one friend can text and say, Hey, come out and
Lindsay: say, Hey, why don't you move into my guest room?
Aron: Sorry, I'm going to play devil's advocate. Now. I guess the point is it's all semantics. If someone's like, Hey, do you want to come out? And the answer's yes. And you answer, yes. That just means that you've answered. Yes. That doesn't mean the decision people have to phrase it to you very specifically in order for you to actually act.
Yeah, I'm going to say it's inconvenient, but not as devastating as I originally thought, because I could be a real jerk with the semantics as well. So I'd say $740,212. Now why not? 200 explain myself to our guests.
Lindsay: Well, that is a complicated number. I, you know, I'm trying to think of like the most I could lose and also like an inconvenience fee and.
Also, you know, the loss of autonomy, which feels. Grave at best, I'm going to go with $2 million. I mean, and this economy who I wouldn't ask for less
Aron: looking at the results from our audience, there are two people that said $10 million.
Lindsay: I bet it's women who don't want to give up their autonomy.
Aron: Yeah. To let it coin, make all your yes, no decisions for six months.
We're seeing a low at a thousand dollars. Okay. I
Maurice: wasn't the lowest. Just slightly redeemed.
Aron: We're seeing a good number of people over a million built with five people were over a million, five. People were under 10,000, but looking at the whole spread, we're looking at an average of like $1.3 million for our, for our listeners.
I like that. I think that's fair. Shall we mosey on?
Maurice: I'm ready
Aron: to mosey. Sweet Mo what's your price to legally change your name to whistles.
Maurice: All right. So again, some questions. Is this a permanent name? Change?
Lindsay: I dunno. It's kind of tough. I've never tried to legally change my name. I don't know the
Aron: process.
Would you like to learn some of the steps? Yes, please. It all begins with a petition to change your name, you fill out what's called a name change. So you explain your reason and you decree it, right? So you take that to a court clerk and file it with your state's like fees and stuff, which are not cheap, but not too bad, but then you actually have to like appear in front of a judge or magistrate and go over it all.
But the best part of all that I never would have known about is that you apparently have to advertise your name, change in the local newspaper in many states and counties you're required to yeah. In some places it's required that you put an ad out in the newspaper or like an announcement in the newspaper to get it out.
So you have your, like, you have a hearing with a judge or whatever. And then they can certify it, but yeah, apparently asked to like be in the paper, but this, this very few rules against what you can change your name to you, can't do it to escape debt or hide from liable criminal liability or to like help you commit a crime.
You can't use it to be misleading or like make yourself sound like the name of celebrity. You can't use a racial slur or do anything that would be considered offensive.
Lindsay: But wait, do you have to tell them why you're changing it? Like you can't just be like, I just don't like my name. I think my name, I don't like it.
It's not very cool.
Aron: I think that's. It's just, you have to explain what your thought is, but then there's charges like in California, the cost to file, it is $435 can go up to 480, but then you have to go do to me, it's none of that is that bad. You pay like legal zoom or some website to do it for you, right?
It's about. To your employer, the post office voter registration office, doctor's offices, utility companies, landlords mortgage companies, uh, alumni associations from schools, insurance companies, airlines, where you have points or credit cards. We have points. I mean, it's, it's just, it's a real pain in the butt.
There,
Maurice: there could be a convenience though, in getting away from some of those things you just mentioned, what do you thinking? Obviously, you can't get away from debt, but like alumni association. Can I get kind of annoying. Also
Lindsay: was all's Magee is it's tough, but you do you and this, you, you don't actually have to go by, was it.
Right. Like, you don't have to be like, Hey, my name's
Maurice: muscles. That's a good point. It's
Aron: just legally changing it. Your nickname could be Sweden.
Lindsay: I like that. That's a cool name, Sweden. I mean, the stakes feel kinda low for this one. I got to say, it's just a pain in the ass. It's just, it's just really annoying.
And like, you have to go through all this stuff. Can you change your name back to your, I mean, I assume you can, because that's what divorce people do all the time. Right? Let's presume
Aron: this is a permanent change with. I know people can't see it, put those eyebrows
Lindsay: down. I can't, I, I just was thinking I could just change it and then change it.
Right.
Aron: I think this one's a lifer, but that doesn't mean you can't go by a nickname. So it's really just having it on all your documentation, then having to
Lindsay: explain it, like, I could still go by Lindsey, but my passport would say whistles, McGee.
Maurice: Okay. So I'm of two minds here because I really like alias. So Wessel's McGee is actually kind of fun for me for a few reasons.
First of all, the monogram potential is great with the w and the M being vertical flips of each other and kind of symmetric. I think it would be kind of cool for branding. If I had something that I needed to brand for what monograms that's right. You see M D just doesn't visually graphically. It doesn't grab your attention.
Whereas a WM definitely would, but I like the twosies and the two EAs. And yeah, we'd probably have to change a bunch of documents, but I don't have kids. So it seems like it'd be pretty. The one thing that I get stuck on is that my family is really into the last name. We know every decent drug in the world, and it's kind of fun.
Lindsay: There's an emotional aspect to you. There's like a family lineage. Yeah. We know
Maurice: everyone, which is a, it's a cool, unique thing. So if it hadn't been that I would have been really. But because of that, it just gets ratcheted up like
Aron: tenfold. So it's really, what's your price to cripplingly disappoint
Maurice: your relatives and the living ones.
Because if I had kids, they could still take the family
Aron: name. How many living relatives do you have that this would
Maurice: impact? It's like between 30 and 40. That's how many I would disappoint. So it's
Aron: really not about you. It's about hurting your loved ones and what that's worth to you. I am
Maurice: so selfless. Aron.
Yeah. So I pegged it at around 5 million, just so that. When my kids have a different name, they'll know that I did it for a good.
Lindsay: Um, I've been thinking about my price for this. And I'm a little confused because as a lady person who was raised in Texas, it's like, I always kind of assumed that I would marry someone and my last name would change.
So I feel less tied to my last name because it's not like I would've carried it on. You know, was OLS is really hard for me. I could, you know, everyone would still call me Lindsay. It would just be on my legal documentation and stuff like that. So it would really be only like, you know, I'd be at the airport and they'd be like, um, okay, uh, thanks, uh, puzzles.
Um, you know what I mean? Like that, for those those moments, it would be a little awkward. So I don't know. It doesn't feel like it feels. Funny than anything. And like, it wouldn't devastate my life too terribly much, but I also, you know, when someone asked me like, you fucking changed your name to whistles, what I'd be like, it's chill.
I got paid. So I would want the number to be enough where I felt like a little bit of a bad-ass for being whistles, because whistles,
Aron: I think that's part of it. There has to be a story, pulling a little game of Thrones here. Like you got to have a good story to it.
Maurice: Of like, it's the amount to compensate for the
Aron: embarrassment.
I don't think this would be embarrassing
Maurice: though. It's just to explain, like, eh, it doesn't make sense, but I got paid X and X has to make sense to whoever's listening. I've got
Lindsay: to get a house for it. I have to say was those paid for this house?
Maurice: That's a pretty good story. I like that. Plus we haven't mentioned that you could be called fuzzy.
Which it's kind of cool.
Lindsay: Yeah. So I got to say, it's got to be enough for me to buy a house and it doesn't need to be a big house. Just something, you know, something modest, uh, in a centrally located place in Los Angeles. So $1.5
Aron: million. The bar's lower for me, cause my last name is already Korney so I've kind of so fine.
Ms. Hicks, I'm sitting at a two, five SK-II 2 million, $500,000. I think you could just own it. I would own Wessels Magee. I'd make it a very, very integral part of my identity. And you just lean into it
Lindsay: and stuff like that.
Aron: Oh, I would have t-shirts that say, my name is Wilson McGee and I changed my name legally for two and a half million dollars.
And then, you know, just use it all as a promotional materials. I'm not above. Not above.
Maurice: Do you think the other side of the spectrum is also a good story where someone says you changed to Wessels McGee for how much? And you're like 20 bucks, then you just look like a chump. I once knew a guy who got a Snoopy tattoo on a Friday, the 13th for $13.
And it was, I don't understand the logic, but I also can see the goofiness of the
Lindsay: story. That's his journey.
Aron: We're looking at our audience poll results lens. You want do this one? Um, okay.
Lindsay: We've got a high of $10 million, a low of $10,000.
Aron: So $10,000, I guess there are people that'll
Lindsay: three people said
Maurice: $10,000.
It's for the monogram guys. I'm telling
Lindsay: you it's a cool monogram. I got it. The average of all of the poll results put together is $925,000. I want to
Aron: meet whoever said $10 million. I'm desperate to know why I want to know what trauma does change your name to whistles, muggy instill to make it worth 10 mil skis.
Lindsay: Okay, whoever put $10 million to change your name, to whistles Magee, please. For the love of Betsy DMS at human values pod. And tell us why, just give us your reasoning. I just, we're all
Aron: desperate to know it's going to wind up being like most mom who saw it and didn't want him to change it. And I was like, well, I hope
Lindsay: that's the big secret,
Aron: last question.
What's your price to replace your hands with mine controlled robotic prosthetics, little slice and dice, a little bowl of rice. Slip it on. It feels real nice. What's it worth to you? Can
Lindsay: I get these prosthetics updated? Is that however often I want to that's fair. Is that included in the, or do, am I going to have to pay for my own updates?
Aron: Let's presume over there
Maurice: updates. Now I'm talking to hardware.
That's
Aron: true. That's a good point. Oh, you want someone to plug and chug?
Lindsay: You know, I hate to say this, but yeah, that's exactly what I want. You want to plug and Chuck. Yeah. That's what I desire
Aron: at this moment. This kind of technology is happening, right?
We've seen the Elon Musk's Neuralink monkey playing ping pong with its mind. There's been a lot of new studies that test of neuro musculoskeletal prosthetics, right? They test your nerves and muscles and skeleton. It is mind control, but you can also feel sensations. So they're at the bleeding edge of the technology.
The stuff is emerging. So can we play, pretend and say, this has done it, a lab where they've perfected a mastered? You
Lindsay: know, my, my purse would be a whole lot different if this was one hand, but both hands. Is a real Meryl
Aron: street, real Meryl Streep. So you see what you mean by real mail scrape is that it's going to be a blue inconvenient for you to regularly have to plug an ethernet cord into your Palm.
Oh, it's going to be wireless. It is one of those. Well, she said she wants to plug and chug.
Lindsay: I met, I met updated. Like give me a new hand every year so that I have the most up-to-date version. That's what I mean by plug
Maurice: and chug Lindsey. Great point about updated hardware. I didn't consider that at all.
Aron way beyond the scope of what's realistic of hardware that works perfectly. I did a little bit of research. And by that, I mean, I did some YouTube thing on the sofa, in my pajamas, and I still don't think we're anywhere near dexterity with the hands. I think we're at kind of rudimentary control. I know through EEG electrodes in the back, you can get visual.
You could see what someone is looking at. And now I think, uh, there's some technology that senses the, the nerve impulses at the wrist that can tell what the hand is doing. So assuming that your, your wrist and beyond replacement, but four arm is still good. Maybe you can have some more input that way or better.
But I don't think the controls are, are very good right now. And I think it would be pretty debilitating. And I say that also understanding that people have prosthetics and live perfectly good lives, but
Aron: there's been a lot of studies that show, but I think it's way off. I don't think so. I think I was reading an article this morning from the new England journal of medicine in which they did like a test on multiple Swedish patients who have.
These integrated interfaces between the brains and the arms and these prosthetics that can like feel things and they can feel sensitive, tactile feedback. And it seemed like it was going well for the last few years for those people. And this was a study from two years ago.
Maurice: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what we see in the media is like the best possible narrow case of usage.
Have you ever heard your arm? Or your hand and like, not been able to use it for a week or something it's incredibly difficult. Like you, you end up using your hand for way
Aron: more than you would expect. So you're anticipating that much like your computer or anything else, doesn't matter how shiny, sexy new it is.
You're going to have hardware issues. You're going to be hugging a friend, but then randomly your hand is going to grab their jacket. And you're just going to seem like you've gotten very aggressive for no reason.
Lindsay: So then you can't like typing is going to take forever typing, like having a regular job becomes incredibly tough.
Aron: Right. You're typing at the computer and suddenly you grab all the keys off of it. Yeah. You might
Maurice: accidentally strangle someone. Let's suppose that's a risk, a very high cost risk. Someone could hijack your
Aron: Ooh hackers,
Lindsay: hand hackers,
Aron: hand curse. It's true. You could be at a petting zoo and it goes a real bad, real quick.
Lindsay: I mean, if I knew it was an option that I could actually injure a person, I probably would not be around anyone. I didn't want to injure, which I don't really want to injure anybody, but, you know, then I could be a superhero person, maybe
Aron: like a very unreliable hero, like
Lindsay: Raphael, the kind of loose cannon ninja turtle.
I would be like him.
Maurice: I do want to ask a separate question though. What do you think is the best part of the human.
Lindsay: What, what do you mean? Like our personal favorite about ourselves, or just like the most
Aron: fishing for compliments?
The audience. Can't see this again, but he's flexing his arms in the, in front of us right now as
Lindsay: well. Your biceps, Maurice, is that what you want to hear? Biceps?
Maurice: What part of the human body in general do you think is the best?
Aron: Okay. Now he's standing up. Oh, it's a bit of groin, but now we got. His legs. They are, the answer
is
Lindsay: hands.
Maurice: Okay. The best mechanical part I think is
Lindsay: Hans help us do a lot of things. Hands, our hands are everything
Maurice: it's cooking, it's feeding, it's
Lindsay: doing literally everything that we do. So how do you put a price on
Aron: that? You absolutely cannot slap somebody at the academy awards, because imagine
Maurice: you would kill you and it's covered in cotton balls.
Then maybe we did miss that there would be the novelty. Putting different gloves on. I guess you can do that with hands too, but it's more fun with prosthetics.
Lindsay: You don't have to with hands with a, with a Chrome, Chrome hands, you might ha you might not want it to be a thing or might not want people to know that you could squeeze.
Aron: Yeah. You're going to want to hide it. Yeah. It's gonna get weird when you try to fly, though. If your hands aren't registered weapons, but they can be, but they're attached to you going through security, your gloves won't cover it. So I guess you got
Lindsay: to have enough money to fly
Aron: private. Well, let's figure out how much money that would cost.
Great segue, Lindsey. All right, Mo what's your price to know that you would kill a famous person on stage if you were to slap them at the academy awards?
Maurice: Uh, I don't want to be a murderer and I don't want to be a killer, so it'd be pretty high.
Lindsay: I don't think it's a huge. But I think it's something you should consider in the process of like, you know, what, if someone hacks my hands,
Aron: yeah.
You can totally have like Phil safes in place. So that like the hand doesn't actually hurt somebody in that case. I don't know.
Maurice: So when I was thinking about this, none of this a risk came to mind. The only thing I was thinking of. How likely is a prosthetic hand going to have the dexterity of a human hand.
And as much as I want to see paradigm shifts in the technology, I just can't see it happening that quickly. And considering how much we do with our hands, it would be worth a lot.
Aron: I'm going to say $40 million based on what you just said, because I think you want to make sure you have the capital to invest in this technology to develop and grow it at lightning fast speeds.
And to be able to be an early adopter of each new step forward
Maurice: in the tech. It's not going to be an R and D budget.
Aron: So what's an R and D but it's a, it's
Maurice: a really good point that if the money is going to be used for R and D to make it better sooner, right. Then you solve your, your challenge or you improve your challenge faster.
Aron: I'm taking a billion dollars, both for lifestyle and convenience. And also as an entrepreneur to move that
Lindsay: guys, I love my hands. I love everything that they do. I just. To not have them would be so devastating. I'm going to say a trillion. I mean, if I'm going to do it, I'm not going to, I'm not going to low ball myself on something that would devastate me so completely.
Maurice: With two prosthetic hands and a trillion dollars.
Lindsay: Well, I will have a very big house and I will not fret over the fact that I can't have a regular job. And I like having a boss be like, Hey, I need this by five. O'clock when typing takes for fucking. To not have that, but then also I would want to help the other handless people, you know, there's a lot of amputees out there who I'm sure like that the research would be so valuable and to be able to like, put that into that and kind of be the face of amputees, like the, the amputee trillionaire, trying to make the world a better, easier place for people.
Who've lost body parts. I mean, that's really, that would be fucking cool.
Maurice: This was feeling really. But then it took this philanthropic and research twist and I'm really liking it now. So I was thinking about 50 to a hundred million dollars, but hearing about the opportunity to do R and D to make it better and to help people.
Yeah, I think I'd do it for more like 500 million. So
Aron: this is what's interesting though, looking at our audience poll results, the highest number was 30 million. More than one person put this. The lowest was $10,000. Someone's okay with a lot of weird stuff happening to them this year. And it makes sense.
Looking at the spread puts us at $5.2 million on average. Let me see. There's seven people who are under a million dollars. Wow. People are comfortable with
Lindsay: this, these DMS on our Instagram and tell us your reasoning. We are dying to know, and we can talk about it later.
Aron: Until then until we hear from all of you, let's do a quick, would you rather have the three things we've looked at today?
We each get to choose one. What are you going home with? You have to live with one of these,
Maurice: um, between coin flip and Wessels muggy. I really think the coin flip would be easier, but I think $5 million would be better. So. No, I still go with the coin flip.
Aron: I also go with the coin flip. I think that that one is the six months of it on your adventure.
You can recover
Lindsay: from it. I'm going coin flip to
Aron: okay. It's six months. Well, we just got the results in from our lovely producer. Rob Lynn's. You want to kick off some awards? We give
Lindsay: out two awards. The first one is the cheap Charlie. I'm honored to award this to Momo at 505 million, $6,000.
Maurice: Yeah. Would I take the three together?
Yeah, probably.
Aron: And that a meager 1,000,003 million, 500,000. The big spender award goes to that.
Lindsay: Truly. It really knocked me right on up. Didn't it? We all
Aron: know you. I just
Lindsay: wanted to win big spender for fucking once, but also I love my hands. And nobody will ever be able to dissuade
Aron: me from that. You talk about them a lot.
Linz. I have a question. Do you ever get bored? I feel like this
Lindsay: is a trick and I don't know how to answer it because I want to give you the answer that you want, but I also don't ever get bored. Well,
Aron: if you ever do get bored, let me tell you that there's a lovely publication online that you can read called discovering distribution shifts, using latent space representations.
Lindsay: Ooh, sounds like something that I would totally understand if
Aron: I read it. I want to tell you all about it. I can't explain it, but maybe someone who we can't say authored, but coauthored, is that the right term? Yeah.
Lindsay: Space representations is, Hey, wait, I got a latent, latent space. W is that outer space. It's
Maurice: somewhere between here and outer space.
Lindsay: There's a place between here and outers, but what is latent space? No,
Maurice: I'm getting okay. I'm not an astrophysicist. So thank you, Aaron, for teeing up my latest work coauthored with some of my colleagues. It is a tooling that we built to help understand when machine learning models are maybe going to start failing.
So the name of the game is usually in machine learning. You have some dataset and you try and learn from that to make a model that's going to predict stuff. And if you then try and use it on some new data that doesn't look like the data you trained it on, then problems start to happen. We wrote some things to help avoid
Lindsay: that machine can turn evil.
The machine revolts. This is. Like a sexy, a sexier tale than I think you're making it out to be
Maurice: it's Terminator seven. How many terminators have there been?
Lindsay: Not enough clearly because we haven't covered
Aron: latent space. Well, I also wait, we didn't read the full title. It's discovering distribution shifts using latent space representations, AKA how to learn to love the Terminator.
Wow.
Lindsay: That's
Aron: deep man. Or maybe the alt pedal is machine learning in the frenzy meet along the way
Lindsay: or Hey, Hey man, aren't we all failed machine space representations.
Aron: We will link to the paper in our show description and we will. Forever love, cherish, and reflect upon this time with you, Maurice decent drug
Maurice: Momo.
Thank you so long. And thanks for all the fish
Aron: we giggled. We learned we made money. We earned, we had a fun time doing learns, learns Linz. Lindsey learns. If you learn wins,
Lindsay: that was an enjoyable experience.
Aron: You're so much more concise than being everywhere.
Lindsay: It was a
Aron: ruse. Yeah, you are. But that was a lot of fun.
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Lindsay: boy. Yeah.
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