KEY 2027 CHANGES! / BOASTER FREE AGENT?! / Stage 2 Winners / Who Missed Champs? - Hot Takes ep. 116

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Hello everybody and welcome back to Hot Takes Valorant Edition.
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Joined by a newcomer this time, uh, who's probably a new face to well maybe a new face to s to some Valorant viewers of or at least of our show.
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Uh, but you may have seen Luca doing some good work over at the Spike, um, one of our rivals, so it's lovely to to see you go and help them out while I'm competing against him.
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Come on.
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For goodness sake.
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But you might recognise Luca from our um from our our uh League of Legends show.
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And he follows Valorant too, so I thought let's loop him in.
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Um Luca, who's your favourite Italian Valorant player?
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There is only B Pop like what should I say?
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Uh I could say some local players, but it has no not really any of the things.
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It's good because we do our league show and in in League of Legends, the UK is absolutely shit and has nothing.
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So it's uh it's nice over here that I can be proud of some of my players for once.
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And it's pretty good, so I thought I'd rub it in.
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Um alright, let's crack on, shall we?
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Because it's been a while and a lot has happened since the last time we had an episode.
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Um let's start with the latest news that came out last night, which was some updates on the uh on the on the circuit for next year, which a lot of this is wasn't two major updates, or was maybe re-arranging a few things that we knew already.
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Um one thing that is clear now is how the open qualifiers, or at least clearer, is how the open qualifiers will work, but in particular around the regions.
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So um we know that we're keeping the the kind of four main leagues or the four kind of key regions for the cups and for kickoff.
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Uh but we see now some details um on how the qualifiers will work because with each region split into kind of sub-regions where the teams will qualify via qualifiers in these sub-regions, or that at least they'll have to start with those.
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So different regions may have slightly different qualifiers.
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Um they even said that some regions could have more than one qualifier per cycle.
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Um so maybe not even just kind of one set of open qualifiers, maybe that could be to qualify two teams and then you run another one or something like that.
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Um but the bigger news of this or the bigger kind of knock-on effect is that the roster building is going to be based now on these sub-regions.
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So for example, in EMEA, if if you're uh well the example we're talking about off air, if you're Carmin Corp, who is based in Europe and maybe you've got players from Turkey, you've got players from the US, you will be locked to having three players from Europe.
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If you're a Turkish team, you'll be you'll have to have three Turkish players.
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Um and I feel like there's some regions where this probably has a bigger effect than others.
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China, it wasn't totally clear because uh you know China I feel like a lot of stuff a lot of times kind of gets to do their own thing uh with with how they run the circuit.
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But obviously China I mean Chinese players Chinese teams have mostly Chinese players anyway, so it's probably not a a huge deal for them um in terms of roster building.
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Who is the most fucked, do you think?
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I feel like GE.
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Okay, well, yeah, from the current rosters, KC's looking a bit cooked.
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But so also we should clarify um it's been said that current rosters will be grandfathered in.
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So what that means is that if you've got a current roster that doesn't that currently is okay in in 2026 but wouldn't be okay in 2027, you would be allowed to carry that through.
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That being said, it uh that's current rosters, it's not been kind of confirmed if it's current players on your roster.
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In in the sense like if you're a KC and you wanted to change one of your European players, there's that new roster now you have of four or five previous players, is that counted as a new roster?
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Now you would have to follow the rules.
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Um so that's not totally clear.
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I would guess you're allowed to keep the players.
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I think it would be a bit weird if you have to keep the whole roster, because I feel feel like most teams aren't going to do that anyway.
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Um but in terms of let's imagine everyone's starting fresh and you kind of ignore and even what rosters have now.
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Who's who's the winner and who's the loser from this?
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Well, I mean, I would be very sad because I think some of the best teams that we have are all like multi-regional.
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The first thing I did, as you can probably guess, is do the math for Paperrex.
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Luckily, they've got three people from Southeast Asia, so they can stay together.
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Because uh Davaijing and uh um Pat uh sorry, Envy all come under Southeast Asia, so they've got three, so they don't have to disband.
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I don't know if they'll still be able to afford to keep all of them together because I'm pretty sure like the you know bio prices are gonna go up for most of them.
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But um, yeah, they're they're safe, thankfully.
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But yeah, I was thinking about global esports because uh where does all where does autumn come under this?
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Because Oceania comes under all of this, but it's not clear what region they come under.
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Do they come under Southeast Asia?
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Do they come under something else?
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Because I don't think you can put Australia on Europe, clearly.
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There's no other sub-region for it.
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So what happens to GE, for example, that's also a question.
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And like you mentioned, Casey's like absolutely messed up because you know they've got one player from pretty much everywhere, I would say.
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Like, yeah, they're there.
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They're two global esports at this point.
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I don't know.
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I remember back in back in League of Legends days when they first put in residency rules.
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Because what happened, and this was a crazy story at the time, actually, 2014 or 2015, somewhere around there, uh, there was a T, a fully Chinese team joined the America like the NALCS, uh, LMQ they were called, and it was basically like was like a I don't know, like a reserve roster in uh in China, and they thought let's just go to America and just we should probably just smash everyone and win the championship.
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They didn't win it in there, they did smash people for a while, but they I think like Riot saw that and was like, Oh, this is a bit this looks a bit weird.
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We probably should do something that doesn't allow this.
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So they put in these that's when they kind of started doing the residency rules.
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But what they did then, if I'm remembering right, because it's more than a dec a decade ago, but I'm pretty sure they grandfathered in the players.
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So like if you were an EU player that was already playing in in NA, at the time that the the residency stuff came in, you could kind of choose, oh, do you want to stay and now technically be an NA player moving forwards, or do you want to continue being an EU player and you'll be an import?
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Um so like in that sense of turning French if he stays with TC.
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So that would I I mean there's no indication they're doing something like that, but that could have been an interesting option.
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So like Autumn could have said I'm currently in uh well, currently in Korea, I guess, um where it was based, and then like I could say I'm gonna stay as a Korean player.
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Obviously, that would look it looks even weirder that with specific countries that might look a bit more strange.
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Um the other option is getting a passport, because at that point you could they can't.
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I think like legally in certain places, Riot couldn't try and enforce you as not being a like a resident player if you've got a passport.
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So that ended up being the thing in LCS in in League of Legends.
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They did it like, oh, once you've been in the same region for like two, three, four years, you're allowed to change your your residency to there.
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But then what happened is players started going there and in like a year they get a green card, and like Riot just like by law, you can't try and say this person like you can't put in work restrictions on this person that is a resident of your like a citizen of your country.
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So um that's one option.
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Get get you know get a couple of the pay get some paperwork boys to get married to the ones that are local residents, get the quick one year uh passport.
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That will just you know find them a wife if that's what they prefer, but um or a husband, yeah.
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You know, we're all exactly that's so that's an option.
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Let's start getting some green card weddings in so that we can get some better rosters.
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Um MIBR, I think, was another one I saw floating around about yeah, they'll have to make changes potentially.
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I hate this thing with the this new division of stuff because if there's a thing I always liked about Valorant is the variety of the rosters that we have.
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Yes, because like in League, we don't have really players missing mixing up that much, even though you said that in China we have mostly China players, we still have some Russian players, we still have players coming up from other regions and competing in China, and so it's one of the most beautiful things that you can have.
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A roster with a Kazakh player, a roster coming from another with an Egypt player, with a Turkish player.
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Like it's just beautiful to see all those countries coming up together to play in a single team without restrictions.
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Now you're basically killing the whole European and Asian diversity because NA won't be hard that much, in my opinion, as much as CMA and Pacific.
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China also will not care that much.
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But um, so NA, both the whole Americas and China are fine.
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Then you're basically killing Pacific and MEA because we have a lot of different countries, we are all split, we are not uh say a single region, so it's hard to put a division up there.
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Like that was the reason why it became from VCTU, we became VCTMEA, no?
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Because Turkey came in and we bring in a lot of different countries.
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And so, what are we doing now?
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We have VCTMEA, but we can have a team with mixed players from the whole MA regions, so it's kind of contraspened in my opinion.
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It doesn't really work.
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Yeah, maybe that will change because I don't want to be arch on critics, the format is not defined as Leo Faglia said.
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Still things will still change, it's just the first thing we will have.
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So we'll see if it will evolve somehow.
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Because the thing we're missing here is just the we're missing the why on this part.
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This we've not really had explanation why, like, why couldn't the open qualifiers just be Pacific even?
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Open qualifiers, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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We don't really know why they've had to be split by region yet.
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We've not had a button.
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I'm gonna say it's for production because you know they're probably gonna do what they did with America's and give off like tournaments to individual operators so they can run them for their region.
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So it's not I I doubt Riot is gonna be running all of these open qualifiers themselves, they'll probably just be taking it at the highest level.
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So I think they want to split it by region so they can parcel it off to people who want to run them or people they trust to run them.
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Not often competency, but you know, as we saw from the Americas um final.
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Not not the VCT one, the one that led up to it with the tier two teams.
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Oh god, that was horrifying.
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I don't know if you I don't know if you remember Luca, but like the weekend where they had like a final go on for two fucking days full of lag.
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Yeah, so it's between Shopify Rebellion and uh the team that eventually won.
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Uh 2G, I think, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it was just full of fucking tech issues, lag.
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It was so bad that they stopped playing.
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I saw it the next.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They stopped playing on Saturday and they were like, okay, we're gonna play the next day because it's still fucked, and it was still fucked the next day.
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So yeah, it was it was very sad.
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I feel very bad for Shopify for you.
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True.
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And I supp I feel like especially for Pacific, this probably isn't gonna be great for like the for the the Korea, the slow eventual Korea takeover of Pacific.
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Like if you're starting to get locked into certain countries, the Korean teams will be rubbing their hands together surely.
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Probably if you're like the barrel that like picks up the scraps off the others, you'll probably be alright.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I think for I think that's one thing that will give Korea and Japan a bit of an advantage because they already have like established rosters from their region.
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Um that said, yeah, like I don't know.
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I mean, it's for for for like Asia the split, it's just not it's it's not super weird.
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But yeah, like I don't know.
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I feel like Thailand, Indonesia, and Vietnam could also technically come under Southeast Asia, you know?
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Technically, and just having like qualifiers for South Asia and Oceania alone is really fuck man because like you're just you're just locking those regions in their own little circuits.
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And I mean, at least for South Asia, there's like an established team.
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There's no OC team anymore, right?
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It's crap to like a whole year ago.
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So if Audem wants to make a team, like he just has to go find his old teammates from like three years ago and be like, hey guys, you know, I just want to be City Pacific, but I'm fucked because of the rules.
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So you guys want to make a new team, run it back with bonkers or something like that.
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I don't know, but yeah, like I think I do think that it it's it like Luca said, it takes away from the beauty of diversity.
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You know, you could have some really cooked rosters, and now who's gonna be cooking?
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It's just rules.
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Yeah.
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Also, because imagine like a region like Oceania.
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So if I have to imagine a good player from Oceania, it's Sotum.
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And he will eventually be picked up from a team, a stronger team in another region.
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So the strongest players for the minor regions won't even compete in the minor region itself because they will be probably imported into a stronger team.
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So basically, we will have some regions we will which will be completely pointless.
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They will be made of amateur amateur players, and yeah, they won't be able to compete against the top ones.
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So there is probably no point of having them on their own, just put them up together with other ones and see what you can do.
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In this case.
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If I'm being optimistic and I'm trying to do the why for on Wright's behalf, maybe then they it's just kind of used as a secondary excuse of just like being a s basically of being an amateur regional thing just to be like just to have grassroots tournaments.
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Um as they yeah, had been like slowly chipping away at tier two anyway.
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Like that feels like that's like the only upside.
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Like okay, if it's Oceania but it's full of full of amateurs, those amateurs get to have their own little tournament and have their own like niche scene.
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I guess is like an upside.
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But um yeah, they so they did say as well, yeah.
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That's an upside.
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They did say as well that it would probably be like there probably would be like MMR rules that you'll have to have at least three players of a certain rank, so you can't you don't literally a number of of actual amateur amateurs just sign up and yeah.
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So I think that's kinda hard to do in Valorant though.
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Like you need five people to work together and be at a good level.
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It's hard to but I mean an open qualifier you can just find like some random platinum player and put them in your lobby and drag them along, but uh I don't even really see much of an issue with allowing that.
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I guess as long as I mean it's probably logistically you'd have a lot more work to do as the organizer, I guess.
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Um like I remember so and this is not anywhere near the same level, but I remember in um the UK League of Legends league, which already was its own tier two thing and one of the shitter tier two regions in in League of Legends, years ago they they started rather than doing like a regular league, uh they did like a weekly cup, but every week was completely open to absolutely anybody.
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So like me and my friends used to sign up and be in like the round of 120 teams, um, until eventually like the the last eight were like the half decent ones and was just the the s the actual teams that used to be in the league.
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Um so I don't really see much issue, but yeah, I guess logistically might just be a bit of a pain in the arse.
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Um especially in bigger, more popular regions that do get would get like thousands of teams signing up, it's not really realistic, I guess.
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Um they said as well about support for teams.
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I don't remember if all of these numbers were were public yet.
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I know they've kind of they had said a lot that they were gonna support the uh uh the teams that that qualify for events, but um it is confirmed or at least clarified if an open qualifier gets to gets to kickoff or gets to a cup, that's an instant$100,000.
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If they get to Masters,$200,000, if they get to Champs,$400,000.
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So imagine an open qualifier team reaches all of their regional events and qualifies for all the international events, uh that's$1.1 million they'd get.
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Um and that's aside from prize pools, which they would also get.
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And I think the like if they got to champs, I'm pretty sure they'd be involved in the champs uh like bundle share as well.
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So um potential to actually earn a lot as an open qualifier.
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Obviously it's gonna be harder because you're you don't have like the the base level help for riot, um, so you are like at a disadvantage.
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But I mean I mean if you're if you're an org that is like a big esports org that didn't get a partnership, it's not that unrealistic to think you could put like obviously it's a risk, but imagine if you are willing to spend near on a million dollars a year for a relevant team that you think is gonna that you like it doesn't seem outrageous that that money could get you a team that gets to all events and then gets you money back.
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Um I don't think it's totally out of the out of the question.
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Or you're a I don't know, a Falcons that just comes and builds a mega roster.
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Because remember, they've tried to get in before, they've tried well they've tried to get they've tried to buy a slot in in league before, um but the talks broke down and the thought is that part of the thing to be a franchise team, or I'm assuming the same for a partner team in Valorum, is that you have to uh there's like an ownership check and you have like show where the money is coming from, you know.
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Yeah, so it meant to be to like kind of just be um kind of be comfortable that you're not you're not dealing with some dodgy entity.
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For example, like you know, you like like how Gambit ended up out of Valorant because of when the obviously the Russia-Ukraine war started.
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I think Gambit's ownership had links to like oligarchs or some madness like that.
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So they do it for that reason, so they can kind of just do their checks.
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But the thing with Falc with Falcons is that famously they don't want to say who is putting the money.
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So if they're not gonna say, it's just a non-starter for Riot as a partner or as a franchisee, so that's where like you know we've seen Falcons uh get to like qualify for ascension and then drop out of it like willingly because they know that they can't do the partnership stuff.
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This to me tell like seems for a team like that, or as I say, just any other org that couldn't get in partnership for w for any other reason, it's a perfect chance now just to just to like put or get take over a roster and try and get in anyway, because it's it's open, so nothing's blocking them.
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So we'll see what happens.
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Um I think those were the interesting bits from there.
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So the qualifiers start in November as well, so pretty soon.
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Um they basically start like right after like a couple of weeks after free agency, because free agency starts on the second of November.
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Um but yeah, more on more on rosters and stuff later, I think.
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Um let's jump into some of the regions.
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I think we can maybe just go from the most recent and then kind of work our way backwards.
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Oh starting with America's Americas and A Hundred Thieves winning against Loud in Brazil, in Sao Paulo, um in a game in a in a five game uh five map series as well, which in terms of like pressure and having the crowd kind of make the difference, that feels like the biggest time when the crowd will would get you over the edge as well.
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So the fact that they've done it in Sao Paulo I mean bloody our testament like testament to them.
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Um and it shows that you know EWC wasn't a flash in the pan either, like this this team is here, they ain't they ain't going.
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You know how we say it in Italian?
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We say it godo.
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We call it it's when you're you're insanely happy about something and it probably like gives you joy.
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So that's the only word I can say about this final.
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It's godo.
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I'm so happy.
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I I always hate when we have when in FPS games they will have finals played with a Brazilian team in Brazil because every time it's the same story where the crowd just buffs the team because they start they they start doing this weird stuff where if someone is on the corner, they start screaming around.
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Like I hate it to be honest, and it's triggering me so much.
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So I'm just happy that they lost, even though Lot played a great series, to be honest.
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Like, nothing to say props to them, but it's not their bad if the final was in San Paolo this year.
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But who isn't happy for 100 thieves?
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Come on, like who isn't happy for Lasuna?
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Like, it's impossible to not be happy for Lasuna, to be honest.
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I I go Zach.
00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.559
No, I thought Luca was gonna finish me.
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I'm also happy for 100 thieves, but I was just thinking, you know, if I had a dollar for every time a team, a Brazilian team lost in Sao lost a trophy in Sao Paulo, it would be two dollars, which is not much.
00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.720
But it's still funny that it's happened fucking twice, and both times it was a bestify that ended in overtime.
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So yeah, that's I was just I was just thinking about that.
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But uh I I don't okay, so I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna actually like take uh I agree that I'm very happy for 100 Thieves.
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I think uh we we had a lot of interviews with them lead this year, and uh I think stage one and in kickoff, they were like, Yeah, you know, we have it, but I think after they won EWC, I think we had multiple players tell us like, yeah, our potential is unlocked.
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We know we can win and we're gonna do it.
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And they actually fucking did it.
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So that's uh that's something that I really respect, you know, like walking the talk.
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And yeah, like Lucas said, I think for players like Asuna and Cryo both, they've been on this team for like what fucking four years, follow three, four years at this point.
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So it's been a very long time coming, and I'm very happy for them.
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Also funny that as soon as Sean Garrett is back, like actively like working with the team, you know, they get back to another international.
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So props to him as well.
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But honestly, the whole roster, I'm really happy for them.
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That said, I want to talk about loud here because what the fuck was that run?
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:48.000
They like this is the first time that we have a master's winner not make it to champs off that year.
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Because uh their run and NRG and G2 shitting the bed completely fucked Leviathan over.
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And uh, you know, we were actually I was actually working on an article about that, but it's really I I feel really sad for Le Vietnam because they had.
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19 circuit points, and in every other region that would qualify them because that's more points than say Vitality has or XLG has, or yeah, so it just really sucks.
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For look at this global power rankings, official valor at global power rankings.
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Look who's number one, number one team in the world, not at champs.
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Not that these rankings are really trustworthy anyway, but yeah, kind of to reiterate how weird as fuck it is.
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So yeah, I'm very sad for them, but I I do think we need to give loud props because uh they were fucking shit in the beginning of the year, and then they rebuilt the whole roster.
00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.519
They bought in like another prospect from Olivia Than Academy.
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I can never simp enough for Olivia Than Academy at this point, but yeah, they got like airday over, and this guy, this kid is like a fucking beast, man.
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Like, I don't know.
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But you need to come in as like an 18-year-old and be the IGL.
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18-year-old IGL who like top frags while playing smokes or and whatever else.
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Like, he was outfragging Asuna on Phoenix across all five apps.
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So I feel I do feel like the MVP should have gone to this kid just because of like, yeah, he better win rookie of the year, you know, just for that performance in the final and like the whole loud run that they had.
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But yeah, like I think they deserve a lot of credit because they rebuilt the whole roster and uh well, yeah, three new players coming in, assimilating over a few months.
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They had to finish top two in champs and they actually fucking did it, so that's it's kind of crazy, man.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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It is a real it is a bummer about loaf.
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I and uh it's kind of awkward because uh I actually like it in or in Valorant how they do get like there is some weight to the rest of the year.
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:50.319
Like sometimes it does feel a bit weird for me in league where like the whole thing of of getting to worlds is basically just your basically just playoffs even for a lot of regions.
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:56.319
Like a lot of those better teams are kind of expected to get to playoffs and then it just depends on those final three weeks if you get to worlds.
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Um there is al always like a bit of a trade-off because if you've got a team that was really good at the start of the season and then they ended up really shit, it's kind of pointless.
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:18.559
Um like what we like remember um MIBR last year, how they got in with the dodgy tiebreaker and they'd been completely terrible before they got to champs, and luckily they were like pretty decent at champs, so it vindicated it a little bit.
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Um so you can't get that scenario, yeah.
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But um so I kind of I do like it how it's a bit more weighted.
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But to be fair, that should have helped Lev.
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Um and it's not weighted enough, I think, because I think you shouldn't be getting the same amount of points for an international win or less points for a master's win than you do for like a regional win, because G2 got yeah more points for stage one than Lev did for winning Masters.
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Yes, Lev also got some points from stage one for coming second or whatever.
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But my point is like, yeah, you know, you should have much more points for winning a master's event because it's fucking hard to win a trophy, guys.
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I don't know, like especially I feel like the Masters too.
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I feel like it's close enough that like maybe you should just qualify automatically for champs, win the second masters.
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Yeah, for like storyline.
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I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't think of it.
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No, why not?
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Because for story for like storylines for the rest of the season, it wasn't that it was like three months ago.
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They didn't even like finish badly.
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Like I said, you know, if they got more circuit points for winning a masters, that would have solved the problem because then they would have beat uh Jitsu there, who just get good.
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Give them more points, yeah.
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Give them more points.
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Give them like because I think can always fall off.
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Imagine you give them the spot because they were masters, and then they just go out at the first round and they recover instantly.
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If if it has more value, it's actually okay because as Zach says, then J2 wouldn't have qualified and Levitan would have gone because like they deserved more points than G2, and we know that G2 is gonna fail.
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Everyone knows it.
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So that there is nothing to say about it.
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Yeah, I am uh I'm the biggest G2 fan in the world, illegal, but I hate it's the team I hate the most in the whole history of the game, probably.
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They're so nice.
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Why do you hate them?
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They don't win, but they're like they don't get a trophy, but they're still nice guys.
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What do you mean?
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You hate themselves.
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They're nice guys, but I can't watch the team I like and see them doing the same stuff every year, you know?
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At a certain point, it just feels weird.
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Every time I saw them, I uh because I'm not really a big NA follower because it's it's basically in the night here, so it's it's really unwatchable.
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:31.920
But every time like an international event comes, I see NA C1, G2 esports, so big favourites of the tournament looking absolutely insane.
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G2 esports losing to China for C then going out of the event.
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.759
Yeah, London was like London was their most egregious as well.
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.160
That like their their little reaction clip of them picking XOG and then.
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And just the bracket was so nice to them.
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So Yeah, I remember your article.
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Maybe we just we start a petition then, just drop swap G2 and Lev in the in the championship points.
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I don't need them that much, but yeah, I do think Lev should have qualified, they should have gotten more points or to be fair, like Elite it's still uh you know, they knew what they had to do and they had plenty of chances.
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There was a lot of things that could have gone differently that that would have got it.
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And to be fair, you know, you know, imagine if you're masters winners and when they won masters, everyone you know, we're we're praising this like rookie squad and talking about how this can be a real like dynasty given that they're all so young and they've got so much potential.
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:36.160
If they can't go and get top two in their own region after being the best team in the world, like that's kind of on them really, isn't it?
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:53.920
And I saw like I think of Pedro Romero sharing a clip from one of his interviews talking to Owner like a while ago, asking him about the qualification and um yeah, and he was you know, very kind of gracious about it, saying, you know, we know what we need to do, if we don't do it, that's our fault.
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:59.440
So it's uh awkward, but it is what it is at the end of the day.
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I wonder if if if they had the the dodgy tiebreakers like last year, if it would have been different.
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Because they were level points, weren't they?
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I think.
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No, I think uh they G2 had just a bit more because they finished top three.
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Yeah, but I do I I think that yeah, like you said, Lev should have just finished top four, but uh I think top six is still like respectable, like yeah, it's not it's not what you'd want ideally.
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:37.759
They could have they could have kept their destiny in their own hands, but I think the most egregious part of it, like I'm not gonna blame anyone for this, but man, for both of those games, you know, like uh where where like uh G2 was playing uh Hunter Thieves in the upper bracket.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.920
No, NRG was playing Hunter Thieves in the upper bracket, and G2 was playing Loud in the Lower.
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So either of them, you know, if uh G2 or NRG had won, um, I think I think I think people were pretty confident about one of these teams winning.
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So they invited like some of the love players over to the wall, you know, like the official broadcast uh or like a co-stream or something, and you could see the devastation on Sato's face, man.
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.160
Like every time, you know, they lost the map, and you know, the first game, okay, whatever.
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And our NRG lost, okay.
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We still have G2.
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Surely they're not gonna shit the bed, right?
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And uh they shit the bed like 13-3-13-6, and uh, yeah, like Sato just looks like he watched, I don't know, like his world crumble or something, and he has to keep it together on stage.
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:21.680
Poor fucking guy.
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:22.640
Oh my god.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:32.319
And he was like, Yeah, you know, don't blame Ryan, and like they invited us, I was nice enough to go, blah blah blah, but like real-time devastation on like a professional player's face.
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:32.960
That's fucking.
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Yeah.
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To be fair, you probably didn't expect both NRG and G2 to lose that day, you know.
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.519
If you were Lev, you were thinking, alright, no, my my my brothers got me.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.720
You you also have to think about it.
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:52.640
Like, I'm not saying they lost on purpose, but if you are NRG or G2, would you rather have Leviathan or would you rather have Loud?
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.319
Like, think about it.
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That's why you don't let it into everyone else's hands, yeah.
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.519
Exactly.
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.039
Um Let's move on then, shall we?
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.640
So Um yeah, that was the most recent final.
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:14.400
The one just before that the one just before that was Pacific the same day.
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Yeah, a few hours earlier.
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:22.799
Where Global Esports won VCT Pacific for the first time.
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.319
Holy shit, yeah.
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.160
That was uh vindicated for the frost removal.
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.559
Because I was the I was the biggest hater.
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.440
Yeah, I was the biggest hater of that move.
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:40.240
Uh and I suppose yeah, I mean it what what could you say anymore?
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They they got rid of him and then they actually did improve and they won the split, they won the the league.
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.279
First ever seen that.
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Yeah, I don't know.
00:30:48.480 --> 00:31:02.960
I'm I'm really happy for them, especially for Javi, because uh until last year he was in tier two and we were asking him some questions at the press conference, and uh he was like, Yeah, I just I told my team, I told like the people I was playing with, all my supporters last year that I just need a chance.
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:08.799
And Global Esports gave me that chance as an IGL, and uh here we are right now, and yeah, like never stop believing in yourself.
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.319
It was a very, very wholesome speech.
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:17.440
Um and I don't know, I think Javi really deserves it being able to you know put this team together, build that team chemistry in a year.
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.559
Uh, because again, like you've got it's such a multicultural roster, right?
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.400
Like, apart from KC, I think this is by far the most diverse roster because you what you got.
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.960
It sounds like a joke, it's like set up to a joke, but yeah, you gotta create an Aussie, two Filipinos.
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:38.480
Um, I always, yeah, it it's it's it's just like so diverse, the roster, and you have to like you know get everyone to work together, you gotta get everyone in sync.
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:44.559
And uh, like you said, all the shenanigans with code, uh, with you know the coach and uh all the changes happening.
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:45.440
Yeah, that's that's me.
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:46.720
They let me lift the trophy.
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:47.599
I didn't ask for it, okay.
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.599
They were like, Yeah, you can hold, don't worry.
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:51.920
It was yeah, I'm I'm really happy for them.
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.519
Yeah, next year they need more local players, so they've got you in.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.079
Is that the thing about they they will they will become bad, man?
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:00.880
Let them keep moving.
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.079
I don't want to I don't want to do that, but yeah, no, I think global is fine because technically they could come under SEA.
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:13.200
Um because they've got Pacman and they've also got uh Javi, so yeah, like I don't know.
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.200
I guess Crystals the import Udo.
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.440
Yeah, I don't know what they're gonna do about Udo and Autumn.
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.599
I I hope they get grandfathered in because this is another team which the rules will affect.
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.079
But uh yeah, I think they can get away with one change.
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.880
I think they would prefer not to, though, because I think what they really talked about was how they're friends outside the game.
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:37.440
So yeah, I'm I'm very, very happy for them for winning a trophy and for you know doing it in the most uh shut the fuck up way possible for everybody who kind of hate watch them.
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.000
I I do I have to admit that I respect Platoon a lot because he he walked the talk, you know.
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.559
Like Frost was going on five fucking different podcasts.
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.519
This guy just put his head down and worked, and well, there you go.
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:56.000
Another of your first trophy, first international, first everything for this team this year, and that's that's really impressive to have a have a competitive year like that.
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:56.400
I don't know.
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.079
I I really respect the grind, you know?
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:58.799
Yeah.
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:11.680
Also, because we were already having the first is Pacifica Korean region, basically, where Korean teams are dominating the region besides PRX, because Nong Shim, Marvin Sain, T1 are there.
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:17.519
So, because we we were starting to think our Korean team starting to dominate also in Balorland, it's not so all the league stuff.
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.640
Is Korea going to get over also this scene?
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.960
And luckily it's an o at the moment.
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.240
We got them taking them down.
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:25.279
It was a banger series.
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.559
Like, come on, let's be honest.
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.559
They they were completely getting the second map, it was brutal.
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.039
I was so scared I was a good hero.
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.480
I was so scared.
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:52.640
Then maybe when the you know, when you are in your worst scenario, maybe that's when you really start not caring and you and you start popping off because you have nothing to lose after you got completely like you know overwhelmed on the second map.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.559
You start believing in something because let's just try everything, let's see what what works, what doesn't work.
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.240
I always thought that Nong Shim was the best team because Nong Shim looked insane, and they looked insane from the start of the year.
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.599
There is nothing to say.
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.039
A very insane roster.
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.760
So I was also sad to see them losing as a team.
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.360
I really like them, and I think they will still do very well internationally.
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.280
They are a team to be really scared of.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.199
And I don't know, maybe I'm biased.
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:30.400
I will I will be probably more scared by from facing non shim than global e-sports still, because I see them as a very united team, and they have like I think they are very good.
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.400
It's still PRX for me.
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.000
Like, I will I was still uh I am still biased that it's it's PRX.
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.320
The team that you meet is PRX somehow.
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.000
They got they were burned out.
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.480
There is nothing to say if the schedule was completely killing for devastating for them in those last months.
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.199
So it's fine that they got they went out earlier in the stage.
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.000
I think that could also ramp up their international performance, to be honest.
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:57.760
Imagine them getting again, imagine them getting to the final, having to play even more matches and having still less rest.
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.000
No, that that's not doable.
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.519
So I think for them it's more than fine to be in this situation.
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.440
But yeah, props to global esports.
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:12.480
Very happy for Patman who got benched last year, and then now he came back and got the trophy uh locally.
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.639
We will see what they will do internationally.
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.159
Uh to be honest, I was not a bit I didn't really know all the players.
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:24.559
I was I knew Patman, I know Autumn, but the other ones were a bit under the radar for me.
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.280
So I'm always happy to see uh team winning that was not expected to win.
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.719
Like that's the basically the lore.
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.360
What was it?
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.079
Zach, what was it like in the arena?
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:35.360
Because you were there, of course.
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.880
So was it electric?
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:37.679
Was it electric?
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:38.480
It was really good.
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.320
You're in the reverse sweep still?
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.599
Yeah, yeah, there were there were a decent amount of GE fans, man.
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:44.559
Like surprisingly, yeah.
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:52.880
Like, I mean, okay, I would say that it was it was still better than you know the crowd in Brazil by far, because I think that uh there are a lot of GE fans.
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.159
I do think that I I am a little bit annoyed about who they gave the MBT MVP to.
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:05.199
I like Udo deserved it, yeah, but I think Javi deserved it more because he had almost the same stats while IGLing while playing you know a more passive role.
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.280
So I do think Javi was robbed a little bit.
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.119
I think he should have gotten the MVP there.
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.159
But uh yeah, I mean I always I always want to give it to the IGL.
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:13.199
I think they deserve it the most.
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.360
So um especially when they're fragging the fuck out.
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.440
So yeah, I I think they gave it to Udo so that you know they could make that statement.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.440
Who's the best Korean player now?
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.159
You know, just I saw people making that statement.
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.880
I'm just saying it was there, it was there on like some of the Twitter headings.
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:37.280
So um yeah, but I the crowd was really good because they they didn't have a Korean team in the final, and everybody loves Nong Shim, like you said, and uh yeah, like they they didn't really go quiet when GE started winning.
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:46.559
Thankfully, there was still a really good amount of hype because every before the game started, they were like GE fighting, and then everybody would scream, and then Nong Shim fighting, and it was definitely louder, but not too much louder.
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.800
There was still like a pretty good fan base for GE there.
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:55.599
So I would say it was one of the more balanced crowds I've seen, which is crazy when you consider that it's a Korean team versus a non-Korean team in the final.
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.000
So I I really like the respect that they have for players.
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.800
Um yeah, they were also passing out like lightsticks at the end of it, so it kind of felt like a fucking concert.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.360
It was uh we actually had a concert as well.
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.760
They had like Audrey Nuna come and perform like Superhuman, so like the anthem of Pacific.
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.920
So yeah, they they know how to do production, man.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:12.639
What can I say?
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:20.400
They they know how to produce finals, it was really nice, but yeah, like to agree with Luca, I I don't mind that Paper X lost it.
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.320
Like, yeah, I know they're a bit sad to not have a trophy, but they already qualified like during the group stage.
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:25.840
I think I think they're doing fine.
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:44.880
So yeah, I was a little uh sad to not see Marco make it or Texture make it because uh you know, two very good players that I think it's a little sad that they couldn't be here, and especially for Texture, because I remember seeing like he was talking on a stream afterwards, and there was like a live translation on the side, and it was just like, yeah, it was a very difficult year.
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:52.079
We had a lot of new players, I had to carry a lot of the burden for the team, and uh it was just very difficult for me keeping up everything, motivation and stuff.
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.039
So now that it's over, like I look back and I'm even if I'm not happy with the results, like I know I did everything I could.
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.000
And it was it was really sad.
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.639
He looked like he was gonna cry, but uh yeah, I don't know.
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.079
I f I did feel a little bit bad um for him and Mako in particular.
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:09.039
But yeah, we got we got the only player to make it to every single edition of Chaps from Pacific, so yeah, let's go.
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.039
Shout out to my boy Buzz, he's insane.
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.239
So yeah, Buzz and Stacks like going to Championship B for T1.
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.119
What do you think of T1?
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.760
Because they've kind of snuck in then as a fourth seed.
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:28.159
Just kind of from like pure Well, it's from consistency, really, because they've not like there's not particularly challenged for for any titles this year.
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:35.920
But then they've pretty much every other team that could have competed competed for that fourth seed has had like at least one tournament where they were completely dog shit.
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:42.320
Like Gen G suddenly were were good again, but it was like too little, too late, and obviously they didn't get near the top two anyway.
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:44.400
Um what do we think of T1?
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.239
Is it like I mean I think they're a really roster?
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:55.440
They they uh they have really good players, but yeah, I mean I think they're like the G2 of Pacific, except that they actually have a trophy.
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:55.920
That's about it.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.280
You know, they won Master's Bangkok, that's the only difference at this point.
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.280
But yeah, I mean this year they've looked good.
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:09.119
I think that their cryptonite is kind of like just teams that play super aggressive, like Nong Shim or GE in that uh lower final.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.639
They were just playing like psychopaths.
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.679
So I think that it's more like a playstyle difference for them.
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.239
I think they perform better internationally.
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.760
Like, I mean, I don't know.
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:23.199
They they have a pretty interesting group, so I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna really like hype.
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.039
I don't know, I don't want to jinx them somehow.
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.440
Uh but I think that there is they're a team with potential.
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:33.199
They have a trophy already, and uh, you know, Meteor said he wanted to win at least six trophies, you know, like his idol faker, buzz as well.
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.519
So they gotta they gotta put some work in, man.
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:35.840
I don't know.
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.199
Meteor has two, so who knows?
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.559
Maybe this will be number three.
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.360
What do we who we uh maybe sad did miss out then?
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.320
I guess why, yeah, the obvious ones being DRX and then Gen G.
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.280
Was there anyone else who was like a bit disappointing for you guys?
00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:01.519
More than Gen G, I upset about mainly Texture because come on, he was carrying the whole cast, like he was carrying.
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:05.519
Oh my god.
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:06.639
The series that they lost.
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.039
Yeah, him and Foxy9 were like solo carrying their teams so far, man.
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.320
It was fucking tragic.
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.639
Um, I feel I feel really bad for Texture.
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.000
Yeah, I have a but yeah, the other teams in particular.
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:23.519
I mean, uh not really.
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.960
I mean, we expected PRX, like we knew PRX was making it.
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:36.159
Uh, I think uh Nong Shim as well expected T1 as well, Loki expected, like if they hadn't make it up made it, I think everybody would have been very surprised.
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.599
And uh yeah, I don't know.
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.519
I'm not really surprised by who did make it.
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.599
Like everybody who made it that kind of deserved it, you know.
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:42.239
So it's okay.
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.760
Your barrel shot was very close, very close.
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:52.480
Yeah, they they they were shit the whole year and then looked like they were gonna, you know, make it, and then they just I don't know why the fuck they didn't play.
00:40:52.639 --> 00:41:01.039
I like I asked Foxy that about it, but uh I won I I don't know why they didn't put him on chamber for that last best of the just put him on chamber, he's been winning your fucking games.
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.360
Why are you not playing any of your chamber maps, guys?
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.559
What the fuck are we doing?
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.000
Yeah, he was just like, yeah.
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.559
It was a bit it sounded a bit silly.
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:15.360
Yeah, when you s you asked him right here and he says, uh oh wait, I oh yeah, it was on here.
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.880
So he goes, like, oh yeah, when I play chamber, I just we win because I top frag, and that's not like the clue.
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.000
Yes, just scroll carrying! And he goes, That's not that's not the crit.
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.320
We need to win as a team, so therefore we didn't play it and we got eliminated and didn't go to champs.
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:28.800
Okay.
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.360
Well done, you yeah, that was that was that really.
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:34.320
Good job.
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:42.719
I don't know, I would rather qualify it than shit the better champs because you know you get that nice little shiny champs money, you have a chance to run like a shit group and maybe we get further.
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.599
You just spam whatever stuff works till you get there, and then you've got a couple of weeks to figure it out, and yeah.
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.679
Just spam chamber, like come on, they didn't play a single chamber map that day, you know.
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.719
That's what really pissed me off.
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.880
Like, not a single one, like even though even the map they picked, they put fucking Foxy on like Cypher or Viper, and I'm like, guys, put him on chamber.
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.800
The last time you put him on chamber, he dropped like 70 kills in like a best of three.
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.039
Please, guys, what are you doing?
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.599
This is the guy who shit on paper X single-handedly.
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:08.960
Like, put him on chamber.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:09.920
Why do you want to throw?
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.119
Like, it felt like such a throw.
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:11.840
I'm sorry.
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.079
It made me like it made me like really annoyed.
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.119
Like, what are we doing, fam?
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:17.519
I had a better win.
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:31.920
Well, you know, if you if we if frost is to be believed, or his um his uh his hints that the the league favours T1, maybe maybe Jake Sins had a little word come on guys, just let T1 through.
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.360
You're not very good at Chamber anyway, are you, Foxy9?
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:36.159
You don't want to play Chamber.
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:37.440
Nah, go on, play the other map.
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:38.719
Oh my god.
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:48.719
I didn't I didn't I I think the main favouritism complaint I heard about T1 was uh them being allowed to smoke in the bathroom and nobody else was allowed to.
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.400
I was just like, what the fuck?
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.280
That's like the funniest thing I've heard, I'm sorry.
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:55.679
Let's keep going.
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:14.239
So let's move on, and let's now we're we're rewinding a week to the EMEA final where Commicorp got their second EMEA title um almost two years or about a year and a half after their first one.
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:22.719
Um and talk about turnarounds, like it's like 0-5 in stage one the ghosts, nothing to say, they're gonna be able to do that.
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.519
And to not change I mean that is that takes some balls to not change players at that point.
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:38.159
And it's it's awkward because like sometimes we talk about uh or or we talked about I think in the league what on our league show about like being too comfortable to not change players.
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:47.920
Um and some teams like, you know, sometimes you need to be more ruthless, even if you think things are could improve like it's yeah, sometimes it's not worth clicking.
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.320
They've stuck when there was like n literally no one had any hope in that roster.
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.000
It may won't change, yeah.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:44:01.119
So obviously the difference is Eng Eng leaving, Zych promoted to head coach, and they said, Okay, that's that's it This is that's the formula.
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.760
Ignorate, and then you know you ignorate back.
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:05.599
I have to ignore it was there in stage one as well.
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.000
Yeah, yeah, well I have my own vision of this move.
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:26.159
So in my mind, what basically happened is ang left, and then General J J came in with a big axe, and he basically said to every player, if you don't get along together, I'm gonna fist you all.
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:32.719
And he just said, get your Vigo down and start playing, let's start playing together and don't flame each other while you're playing.
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.639
Otherwise, I'm gonna fist you all.
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.079
And basically that's what happened.
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.079
Narraid started being a good teammate, everyone suddenly started being a good teammate.
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.119
And since some everyone started being a good teammate, they started playing eventually well.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.719
And maybe he even uh when he came by, he tried to get some strats done, but then he saw that it's not it's not it's not the case.
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.639
He just said, just do whatever you want, but just don't tilt with each other.
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:01.599
And so basically that was the formula guys, play the game, but don't flame each other.
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.760
If you play the game and you should well, you win.
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.719
And that's what happened.
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:10.400
Like we see Narve picking uh doing headshot everyone with the chamber gun without any problems.
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.559
Uh the operator, uh chambered ultimate, he just kills everyone, he doesn't care.
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.400
Those nine somehow became so the best smoker in the region suddenly from one day to another.
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:26.000
The ghost uh final performance that would be remembered forever, like on the smokes.
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.719
Oh my god, what a job! He's all man's TPs.
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.760
He was unkillable somehow.
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:33.360
Then leaving on the neon.
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:34.559
I don't know, like those shots.
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.599
Well, how do we even pull out those shots?
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:41.199
Like, how do you they I I legit I was legit so stunned?
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:42.880
What is this flick?
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.199
You don't have that much space on the mouse pad to move it so hard.
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.800
Hi, sense, baby.
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:49.440
Let's go.
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.000
Sorry.
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:50.639
I don't know.
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:52.400
What do you want to even say to them?
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.719
The fact is that you just see that from their gameplay that they are playing in a different way from everyone else.
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.480
Like they are just different.
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.679
You don't really see their projection of another team.
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.119
Like you say, this is KC.
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:10.480
They are playing their own game and they are gonna and they're willing to keep playing their own game against everyone.
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:12.400
Maybe it will work, maybe it won't work.
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.840
We don't know internationally.
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:25.199
I still think that they are a team to be they are a team to look forward because they can pull out some very unexpected stuff, and even the best teams will probably struggle against them because what how do we even prepare against a team like KC?
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:31.039
Going to add on to what Luca said, I think uh they have a lot of similarities with G in that way, you know.
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:36.559
Like, you know, they kick somebody, they had like a dictator coming, because there were like memes about Patman as well.
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.079
El dictator Patman takes over and makes the team win.
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:49.280
I'm not saying it's true, but it's just uh funny that two teams like this, you know, they kick somebody and uh you know they kick their head coach and immediately they start fucking winning everything.
00:46:49.360 --> 00:47:00.960
So yeah, but really like respect to KC because uh like you mentioned, 0-5 is depressing as fuck, and then you gotta make it from the lower bracket all the way through play-ins to playoffs, and you have like this kind of flawless run.
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:02.639
That's really, really impressive.
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.000
And uh the final as well.
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:14.239
Like, I'm I'm really happy for Dustein because believe it or not, this motherfucker was on an Indian team for like two years, and like he was hard carrying these fuckers, like he was hard carrying, like you know, in Ascension and stuff in tier two.
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:22.079
So to see him go from there to he made it to PCT Pacific, he was with Boom for a while, and now he's all the way in fucking EMEA, like shitting on people.
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.880
Like, let's go.
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:24.159
I'm really happy for him.
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.599
He's also yeah, I'm also happy.
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:26.639
Uh he's Kazakh, right?
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.519
So you know you gotta support the homies um from there.
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.800
I I recently visited there, so I'm like a little bit of a biased girl now.
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:43.360
But yeah, I'm just happy for his journey to come all the way from like tier two in South Asia to MVP of VCT EMEA, like that is the arc that you can't like make up.
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.719
It's it's it's fucking insane.
00:47:44.800 --> 00:48:00.320
Also, Aves, I think he deserves a lot of credit for this team because I think uh switching regions from you now to playing for like a VCT team and then you know picking up IGL, um, just having to do that while playing stuff stuff like Phoenix and a bunch of other random things.
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.480
Like, I really respect duelist IGLs.
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:15.039
Like, I know some of them just play smokes that play like duelists, but yeah, I think that the flexibility of this team and just like Luca mentioned, the camaraderie, you know, the fact that they trusted each other after being zero-five down and went on to win a trophy.
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:21.440
The only pretty trophy that EMEA has made, by the way, I must add, all the other trophies just look like ass, but this one is actually really gorgeous.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.880
I think it was kind of inspired by the cathedral, so I do like it.
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.559
But yeah, like shout out to them, man.
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:32.000
Like it's it's such a great story to go from like being crap all year to winning a trophy.
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.920
And I'm also excited for them at Champs.
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.800
I think that they have a lot of momentum, they figured out shit, meta suits them more importantly.
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:39.760
So yeah.
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:50.159
And they also have the GOAT Italian assistant coach Simots, who went had his chance with M koi for one split before they got completely kicked out of the league.
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.360
So he just had no time to prove himself.
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:59.519
Then KC found him out and picked the Namas, picked him up as assistant coach, and he got the trophy.
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:13.360
Everyone, we all know how much value he has, we all know what he's capable of, and it's finally nice to see the guy winning something and having his shot because he was in tier two for such a long time, and he was basically creating Italian teams from nowhere.
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:39.519
We were having a good Italian team in the tier two scene from nowhere, and it was all thanks to him who was building the team, who was doing everything, and he got his trophy now, he's going to Shanghai, and we just hope to see him live because he wasn't in the final, so it was nice as well like seeing um like seeing Zyesh get interviewed after and saying you know just how terrible things were when it was 05.
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:46.400
Like I tried to think what what the environment is like when you're going and grinding every day and nothing's coming off.
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.480
And yeah, full credit to him to to turn it around.
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:51.840
Incredible.
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:58.159
Um so Team Liquid runners up, so obviously they've they've got the chance.
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.719
And then on points we've got foot and uh team vitality.
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:12.960
So obviously Fanatic is nowhere to be seen, which I think we I'm not even sure might have even been confirmed why the last time we did an episode, um but wasn't surprising given their run was not looking great.
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:23.280
Um but then also heretics is kind of the bigger maybe the big Well not the bigger miss, but the the more s the more shocking one, I suppose, at the moment.
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.480
Um yeah, no heretics or fanatic.
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.400
And we have Foot as for seat while looking completely terrible.
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:37.119
I don't think someone disagrees with that foot are not looking good at all.
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.360
That but their performance is Barcelona was definitely so off.
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.519
We basically saw nothing good from them.
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.960
And I'm really scared for them coming into the into champions.
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.360
I really have the fear that they will just go out or two or two and be kicked out of the tournament.
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:59.599
If if they just bring up the performance they showed us in the last days of the stage, then I think that they are not at the level at the moment.
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:04.639
Pretty confident that Vitality will manage to step up and pull out some good things.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.159
I saw that their group is hard, yeah, really hard.
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:17.039
They are in a very terrible group, so I won't be surprised about them going out, but I just hope they manage to put up some good fights against the best teams.
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.000
That's all.
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.960
And then Liquid had a will Parpo wake up.
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.480
If Parpo wakes up, then Liquid can contest and do a good run of champs.
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.159
If they play without Parpo, then playing for V5 is not actually doable in the game.
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.559
They played in Barcelona for V5, so props to them for reaching the final, however.
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:39.360
But he admitted it, he was not having his best days, and we saw that.
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:48.480
I don't remember his KDA in the final, but it was around 0-5-0-6, which is not acceptable for a dualist who is to be honest, it's not acceptable.
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.679
So, because we know that Partpoch is capable of doing his own thing.
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:56.719
It wasn't the game, it wasn't his days, so it's fine, it happens.
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:09.119
But I just hope my goat Nats goes international and shows everyone that he's the goat, still the goat, and he will he will be the answer to the answer to our all our problems.
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.039
Give give that man another trophy, man.
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:12.000
That's all I'm saying.
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.320
I want Nats to win another trophy.
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.000
He's uh he's the goat for sure.
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.760
But yeah, I do agree with Luca.
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.920
Like Purpo was not showing up for the final there.
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.840
He's he's a bit more inconsistent than you'd like, you know, as a team's entry.
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:30.880
You got like people like Damby, and you got people like Udo, and you got people like Leon, and then you've got Purpo.
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:39.840
So yeah, also there was a bit of controversy about like Liquid's journey, because every single team that they beat to get there was like a fucking tier two team.
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.320
So a lot of people were like really annoyed about that.
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.440
But I don't know, man.
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:44.639
I I don't think this is as bad.
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:47.679
That's all.
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:49.360
The tier two teams were better, yeah.
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:50.239
Like they earned it.
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.760
Like, I don't think Enterprise or Fireflux are easy opponents.
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.800
Like Liquid kind of struggles against Fireflux, not gonna lie, a little bit.
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.440
So, you know, I do I do respect the fact that they you know made it so far.
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:12.400
I was kind of rooting for Enterprise or for uh Fireflux to make it, you know, to the final, just just you know, as a little fuck you, but no, you can't have everything in life.
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.920
But it was it was really nice to watch watch that be the case.
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.840
So yeah, that's that's my take on Liquid.
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:18.239
I don't know.
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.960
I think like they need more consistency, they need to cook more strats, they need more speeches from Nats.
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.960
He needs to like, you know, just before every game, he needs to give them a little speech.
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.880
Because whenever he gives a speech, they play really well.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.840
They just need uh dictator Nats on that stage.
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:38.079
But yeah, I mean foot, they they look good during the stage, they looked consistent during the year.
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.840
It's just this weekend that they look shit.
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:41.840
So I don't know, maybe it's just exhaustion.
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:47.840
I think players did mention that they were feeling a bit tired and stuff, and they couldn't show the performance that they wanted, the usual shenanigans.
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.800
So yeah, I don't know, maybe the break before Shanghai will help them.
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:55.679
I do think that they have a very strong team in terms of firepower, and in the current meta, it's pretty good.
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.000
But uh yeah, they need to be more consistent and not do what they did with the other.
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:05.199
I can't remember if that was earlier.
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:06.880
It was the week before, I think.
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.039
It was the week before where she got banned and they won anyway again.
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:12.480
And they won anyway.
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:15.760
Enterprise, I don't remember.
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:17.119
Enterprise, yeah.
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.840
Because I was speaking with Patty Tech for the end as well.
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:21.679
But they won anyway.
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.320
Then eventually they started losing.
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:25.519
Yeah.
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.880
I'm gonna say back then without the coach.
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:30.639
Time to hang it up.
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.280
Um maybe maybe let's play without the coach.
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:36.800
I I respect I respect.
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.239
Did not work for heretics.
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:40.880
No, they don't work for heretics.
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:42.719
Nothing worked for heretics, however.
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.000
They look terrible, man.
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.880
They look so good in the thing as fucking common and they're like they shit every single game.
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:50.320
They shit themselves basically.
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:56.079
Like, I don't know, especially like some of their games against the tier two teams, they they look like the tier three team.
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.880
Like, not even like I don't know how else to say they look so fucking bad.
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.320
It looked like one of my ranked games.
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.280
What are we doing?
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.239
There's no coordination.
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.159
One guy's like in B, the other, the other guys are just kind of like walking down mid.
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:07.760
There's like a lurk that kills three of them.
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.199
Like, what the fuck is going on?
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:10.400
Well, to be fair, I've got to be.
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.039
Yeah, I was gonna say that.
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:21.840
Um maybe it's that yeah, we'll get we'll we'll touch on a few of the roster things later, but yeah, one of those is Boo looking for team, uh looking for a team.
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.440
So definitely a kind of new look um for them.
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:27.440
And obviously I'm gutted for BBL.
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:28.800
BBL.
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.159
Yes, me too.
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.679
No BBL lovers at champs.
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:41.119
Oh, I I really feel sad for BBL as well because I think both of the teams they lost to are fuckish for fucking Turkish teams.
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.599
Now the only time these fuckers do this to a Turkish team.
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:48.880
Everybody else they shit on, but then they come up come up against another Turkish team and it's a really close game, but they lose.
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:50.320
It's tragic.
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.079
It's like um like who makes these matchups?
00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:01.360
Yeah, it's like it's like in I don't know, in tennis when you play against someone someone's a left-handed player, so it's really weird to play against them.
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.559
But then if a left-handed player plays against another left-handed player, it's weird for them as well.
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.840
So they get they get countered by it like everyone else.
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.199
Um I don't know.
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:15.119
I'm just really sad because I think it I genuinely think if they hadn't faced two Turkish teams in a row, they would have been there at Champs.
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.599
I know it's I think they could have beat pretty much anybody else except for like maybe KC because they were on a run.
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:25.280
But I do think that you know the rest of the teams that they played, like in the field, they could have I think they could have smashed liquid.
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.559
I think they could have, you know, made it to the final if they didn't have to run into these two teams.
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:38.559
I think every other team there was kind of like feeding grounds for them, but then they had to face Foot and Fireflux, both full Turkish teams, just like them.
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.679
Yeah, and uh yeah, I I I do think that's a little sad for them.
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.079
No one O BBLs, no BBL winter or autumn or whatever it is, season it is in China.
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:46.559
I don't know.
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:46.800
Yeah.
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.360
Rip.
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:54.079
Um talking of China then, and that and now we're going back a few uh a couple of weeks, so we can go a bit quicker on this one.
00:56:54.159 --> 00:57:00.800
But Tailu, uh and at the time this was a very nice story, everyone was very happy for Tai Lu to have won.
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:06.079
Um especially I I guess like mostly happy for uh for Sui Fat as well.
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:14.639
Um obviously when obviously when he was let go of Wolves, like the conversation was I was seeing the conversation like does he even belong in in VCT, right?
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:19.280
Yeah, was it just a clash of the pan, you know, yeah, like does he deserve a team in VCT?
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:28.159
He's obviously ended up on Tyloo where they've just swapped him in to be IGL, changed nothing else, and suddenly they're winning China.
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.440
So fucking fair you know, fair play to Su fat.
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:44.239
Um that's obviously the the vibes around them have changed a bit with this uh massive statement that came out from a sword lion.
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:49.360
Um which I don't even know how to how you condense it that well.
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:58.559
And to be fair, some of it to me didn't sound that crazy, like that they well, it was just I it just sounds like he's been fucked around mostly.
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:12.719
So he was like kind of dropped, that was supposed to not be fully dropped, like they were asked him to be the coach instead of be a player, and then they'd asked him, Oh no, you don't want you don't want you to be a coach, just be a streamer, but you can come to champs uh and all this.
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:24.079
And at the end of it, the probably the bigger the bigger dodgy part of it was like they're telling him he's not getting his cut of the prize money because they don't think he was involved.
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:32.159
So it's all a bit messy and kind of overshadowing now um the actual achievement they had, which is a bit of a shame.
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:38.320
I know, did anyone read this more thoroughly than I did, because it was quite a long bit of text as well.
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.920
I mean, I can I can give you the TLD or I'll make it easy for you.
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:51.440
But yeah, like you said, he had a lot of like he starts with the team, he puts it together, he moves from player to coach, coach to streamer, back to coach, because he realizes that he liked coaching more than all that shit.
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.000
But uh there's like disagreements with the team.
00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:03.360
Um, so yeah, I mean he works with them up to a certain point, like stage one or something like that, and then he gets benched if you can bench a coach, but he's still kind of helping with the team and stuff.
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.159
It's it's not very clear how much he was still doing there.
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:19.039
But uh yeah, they did tell him that if they won, they could go to champs, and he just randomly shows up to uh get like the trophy with the team, and uh apparently the org wasn't very happy about it, so they cut him right after that and told him, like, yeah, you're not getting money, you're not going to Shanghai.
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:19.840
Fuck you.
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.719
So yeah, like I don't know, I don't know the full story because the org hasn't made a statement yet about this.
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:28.800
Like, nobody on Tyloo has really said anything about the allegations so far.
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:35.760
So yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's like guilt by silence, or they just don't want to indulge in making it like bigger.
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.480
But yeah, it is a shame for Tylo, especially since it's so historic for my first ever international.
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:43.199
Uh that too by winning like a first CN trophy.
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:48.000
I think it's a little sad for the players that this overshadows it.
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.800
But uh yeah, I mean you can't really take anything away from the players.
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.239
They they looked really fucking good.
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:57.760
Like Splash was shitting on people the whole final, the whole the whole stage two, actually.
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:05.360
So it's it's nice that they finally got their shit together because uh they've had isolated good moments, good games, but they haven't been able to really make a run until now.
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.960
But they finally made a run, so yeah, like good for good for them.
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:10.400
I hope that they don't get grouped.
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.239
Um, it's always a problem with Chinese teams, you can never fucking tell who's gonna make it and who's not.
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.119
Like, you know, someday XOG might cheat beat G2, the other time they just go out like whimpering.
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.719
So it's it's very inconsistent.
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.039
Like it's the most inconsistent region by far, I would say.
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:24.239
So yeah.
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:27.360
See, we'll see.
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:32.719
Um shall we have a look back at our predictions from the start of the year?
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:43.039
Because um for those that if you remember, or for those that maybe didn't didn't watch some of our earlier episodes, um yeah, we did right at the at the start of the season.
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:48.800
Zach and I at least did did some predictions for America's EMEA and Pacific.
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:54.000
And some things we were pretty good on, some things we were we were not very good on.
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.199
Uh so I think it'd be funny to kind of have a look back.
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:01.199
Um, they screwed us over so bad.
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.639
Uh let's start with Americas.
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:10.960
So some of this we've already we've already kind of recapped so like kickoff winners, we know um we were quite wrong there.
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:13.920
Um let's let's kind of go from these ones down.
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:15.920
So overachievers across the year.
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:19.599
Who did we expect to kind of be better than than people thought they'd be?
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:21.280
Well, we were both wrong.
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:22.800
We were both fucking horrible with this one.
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:28.320
And actually, maybe even crew was even I I feel like maybe I was even a bit bullshit putting them as overachievers.
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:32.239
I think a lot of people had pretty decent hopes with the Sadak less.
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.199
Fuck it, Al.
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.800
And Sentinels that said the better, really, isn't it?
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.119
We don't we don't have to talk about that.
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.880
Under human underachievers such as these.
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.480
I was I was right for the first half of the year, guys.
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.880
In my defense, you know, I was right for half the year.
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.639
I'm trying to remember what was my what was my reasoning on G2.
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:06.880
I feel because I in my in my head looking at that now, I feel like I just didn't expect them to run through the whole league the same way.
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:13.360
But then at least they're on stage one, so you I don't think you can really say it's underachievement.
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:13.760
Yeah.
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:14.400
So I don't know.
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.480
I feel like that's not my worst one.
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:19.599
Um best sign in Kiko, Cortesia.
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.000
I mean, Kiko's a bit consistent.
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:23.199
I don't know if he's been like star.
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.800
I think I think for both of us, at least for me, the answer for this would be neon.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:28.880
Like neon is the signing of the year for me.
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.679
Just fucking 18-year-old kid with shit on everybody else.
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:37.199
Like, I I think for me at the at the at the end of the year, America is, I think I would have to say neon for me.
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.360
If you want to change it, I want to hear like what you guys have to say.
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.360
You know, who do you think is the best signing this year?
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:47.760
Yeah, it's hard to go against Neon, although we couldn't have known that in January in our defense.
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.800
He wasn't playing in January, like in my defense, man.
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:51.840
Yeah.
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.280
Um players to watch, Redux, that was a bit rubbish.
01:02:57.519 --> 01:02:58.239
Timotinos.
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.559
Yay!
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:00.079
I got one.
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.079
I got one, let's go.
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.480
And then who should win at least one stage?
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:05.519
NRG, M IB R.
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.480
NRG should have won something by now.
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.360
I mean, for that, I feel like that is that's an underachievement.
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.599
But then we had our teams to go to champs.
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:19.199
And I remember my the my biggest thing was that I hadn't I didn't have faith in Sen getting there.
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.239
So I I feel like I'm getting a small win on that.
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.079
D2 NRG obviously made it.
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.320
Crew, no, M IBR, no.
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:27.920
And we both had MIBR.
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.159
We both believed in the super team.
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.440
How foolish, how foolish were we?
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:35.280
You've got bloody hell, come on.
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:37.440
Mine is terrible, yeah.
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.760
D2 1 out of 4.
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:41.679
Yeah, two out of four ate much better, fam.
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:42.480
I'm just telling you.
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:47.199
No, to be fair, I didn't think neither of us expected hundred thieves are allowed at that point, you know, so it's okay.
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.320
And then if we go into EMEA.
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.639
Uh yeah, mine is better than yours.
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.880
Well, let's see, let's see.
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:58.079
Overachievers.
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.880
What what is Team Liquid as an overachievement then?
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:07.760
Winning, I I don't know, like qualifying for everything, winning a trophy, making it to a final.
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.480
They've they've just been consistently cruising by.
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:11.760
Getting out of a group stage.
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.480
If they get out of a group stage at champs, that will make them an overachiever.
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:14.880
There we go.
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.039
I made it to five stage.
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:18.239
Casey.
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:19.280
No.
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.880
I was right until stage two, guys.
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.199
In my defense, I was right until stage two.
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:26.480
I am sorry.
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:31.679
I feel like that was great.
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.639
Yeah, that was uh an easy pick at the time.
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:36.400
I mean he's not been available for this.
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.159
But at the end of the day, it's it's Narvaid, no?
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:40.800
Yeah.
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:42.239
He was consistent.
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:42.400
Yeah.
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:44.320
Yeah.
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:49.199
I think if I have to change this, I'll probably say, I don't know, narrates.
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:50.559
It's funny for the story, you know.
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.880
They cut him back and they started fucking winning again.
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:53.599
Yeah.
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:54.800
Oh my god.
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:56.159
Player to watch comeback.
01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:57.360
That was a bit shit.
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.800
I think but not one of those is playing in the game anymore.
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.280
So one to watch that you can't even watch.
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:04.719
Literally impossible to watch.
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.119
So we did a good job there.
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.719
We both um had Vitality to win a stage.
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:11.519
Didn't happen.
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.599
Well they which they kind of didn't.
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:14.159
Rip.
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.320
And then champs teams.
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.280
I'm not looking too good here.
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:20.000
Vitality.
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:21.599
KC qualifying.
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:22.239
I will just say it.
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:22.880
I had them fucking.
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:24.079
Yeah, but this is bullshit because.
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:25.840
Exactly.
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:26.559
That's what I was gonna say.
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.880
You're trying to you're playing both sides.
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:34.320
No, no, I put them in underachievers because I expected them to make it, but then they also looked really bad, uh, you know, ahead of time.
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.559
Yeah, but putting them under achievers means you expect them to be underachievers.
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.880
Look, look, look, guys, my take for KC was they would make it to champs, but they would suck.
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:41.920
And I was right, I was right.
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.920
They didn't suck the whole year, but they made it to champs.
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.000
So you know, it worked out, it worked out.
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.400
So I I had a complete stinker.
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:50.239
So I I got vitality just.
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.719
My only one that got in was the fourth seed.
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:57.440
Um heretics and fanatics should feel like they would be locks and BBL.
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:06.480
Yeah, I mean my faith in BBL has over and I feel Like maybe you could c say that they overachieved but then they just yeah, we're too inconsistent, I think.
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:08.320
They've let me down.
01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:10.320
That's a bit of a bummer.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:12.559
Um and then I have two this time.
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:13.760
I beat you and EMEA.
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.400
How does that feel to be boxed in your own wall region?
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.000
Fine, you're the analyst.
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.039
Um I'm just the dumb host anyway, it's fine.
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:22.079
So Pacific.
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:22.800
What do you mean?
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:23.679
Pacific.
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:24.320
Oh god.
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.039
Uh overachievers, G E.
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.119
And that actually Varyl, Verril came off.
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:36.320
I feel like that you that's correct at this point for them to have.
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:38.400
Yeah, top four in Pacific is impressive.
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:40.880
They fucking beat like you know, they beat Genji.
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:41.440
Yeah, they beat the biggest.
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:42.880
Underachievers R RQ.
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:44.960
Zeta, yeah.
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:46.880
I think we're both right, both of them fucking sucks.
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:47.280
So yeah.
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:48.639
Asylum Pac-Man.
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.960
I mean, these are just all locks, aren't they?
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:52.880
Except for player to watch.
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:54.960
Then player to watch.
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:56.800
Yeah, that'll be ropey.
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:57.440
Yeah, that's shit.
01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.440
Also, also to winner's days, that's also fucking shit.
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:00.400
Yes, yes, yes.
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.599
Um, but we picked a Korean team each as well, it shouldn't even be that difficult.
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.360
Um, champs representatives, PRX, G E.
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:07.840
G.
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.840
And then DRX for you two for me.
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:11.840
And Gen G, not quite.
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.320
Um PRX T1.
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.079
I had T1, thank God.
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.800
So my faith in Meteor and Stacks and Buzz has been repaid.
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:21.760
Thank God.
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:25.920
I feel like we'll buckle these people on.
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:26.719
Yeah.
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:27.360
Yeah.
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.119
We tied for this one, I think.
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:29.440
But yeah.
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:35.920
I don't know.
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:37.519
I have no clue.
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.840
I feel like Patman is hard to go into.
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.039
I feel like Patman coming in and winning is probably the best signing, no?
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:44.719
Yeah, especially him coming in and then him.
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:52.239
Him supposedly being behind the coaching change that eventually did win them the championship as well.
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:54.400
Yeah, El Dictator, let's go.
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.119
No, I think uh if if if you if it's not Patman, it has to be Foxy Knight.
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.400
But we didn't know he was gonna be on fucking Veril then, so we can excuse it.
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:03.039
It's okay.
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:03.440
Yeah.
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:07.519
That was we did okay.
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:19.520
We've been screwed by the fact that like a lot of the teams, like the fanatics and heretics of of the world, fucked it and um didn't do what's their fault, not ours.
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:20.000
Exactly.
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.720
So how could we have possibly known?
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:28.159
Um Hey, but I had I had KC making it to champ, so that's like an out there prediction that I actually got.
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:29.279
I'm very happy about that.
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.159
I forgot I made that prediction to be honest, so it's nice.
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:40.560
So um towards the end here, let's just talk about some uh random other news uh that's been going on.
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:49.039
Um which to be fair, mostly it's just kind of confirmation of who's potentially looking for new teams.
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:59.359
Um one of those that has become the biggest news of this lot so far uh is Boster um officially looking for team.
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:09.039
Basically for the first time ever, really, um since some in FC became uh fanatic, and he is now officially looking at offers.
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.159
He says, especially EMEA and China, um China would be pretty interesting.
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:16.000
China would be fired.
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:19.840
Like, even though I don't really want China, like imagine Boster going to China.
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:24.399
He's gonna fucking emote every single game, man, because they have really good walkouts.
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:29.119
They have they I respect the Chinese production because they put some fucking effort and they have so many walkouts.
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.079
He's gonna be doing cart reels on stage if he goes to China, like every fucking game.
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:33.119
I can see it.
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.680
He's gonna just dance more than play, probably.
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:37.760
Just dance, gotta be okay.
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:39.680
Yeah, I can I can see Boster doing that, man.
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:47.359
Like so that's it by the ions were the history with the peaky blinders.
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.319
I don't know if you just look at dimensions.
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.319
Like, I think it was a I think it was a quote tweet, wasn't it?
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:55.119
But yeah, Ibai.
01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:57.359
Yeah, it's you have Twitter on light mode, Lee.
01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:58.640
Like, I'm judging you for this.
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:00.720
I have a lot of stuff on light mode.
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:05.199
I just on PC, I'll on PC I don't I don't really change it.
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.880
On my phone, I'll have it on dark mode.
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:07.760
Okay, good.
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:09.119
I was worried about it for a sec.
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:19.279
But yeah, so so both yeah, it's so Ibai from Ovistar Choi kind of did like a little little bit of a bait, but I don't see that happening personally.
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:20.720
Um I don't know.
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:22.399
Whether if they get a partner, no.
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:23.600
Maybe they get a partner back.
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:24.159
Yeah.
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:24.800
I don't know.
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:27.359
I feel like if he stays in MEA, I feel like he wants to.
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:29.520
I feel like it's more likely he just stays with Fnatic.
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.600
I think they should keep major value.
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:35.039
You know, he got them fucking three trophies.
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:36.880
The least they can do is keep him or two trophies.
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:37.199
Yeah.
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:38.319
Then obviously the benefit of it.
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.479
Fnatic are trying out cloud as IGL.
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.479
So maybe they want to change.
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.920
Because he's under contact until 2028, if I'm not hip.
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.800
So maybe they want to see if they can maybe switch legacy.
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:59.439
Maybe it's at the end of Borsel's legacy, and let's see if cloud can pick it up and do something.
01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:09.119
I mean, it seemed kind of obvious like when they did the move that that was part of it was having that option, wasn't it, eventually to be able to if they needed it.
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:18.720
Um and yeah, they've so they have said Kojo has said now that um the Both Star Alpha and Crashies are all allowed to look at options.
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:25.279
Obviously, we know they'd be free agents anyway, but I guess they've allowed them to kind of explore early, which is uh nice of them.
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:33.199
Um but he did say that they're like actively in talks and they're already doing try-outs with new play potential new players as well.
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:37.680
Um that's the thing we said about Flanagan they could lose all three of those.
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.920
Um and it could look like a totally new lineup.
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:41.199
So proper over the state.
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:48.239
I don't know if you watched like I don't know if you watched like the they did like an open spaces thing or I listened to about half of it.
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:49.279
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:49.359 --> 01:12:11.680
So I don't know, like they they he said Kojo said a lot of things, like apparently Sayanara was supposed to be on the team, but then there was like a financial miscommunication that ended up with Vitality yinking him, and uh they were just really exhausted from the offseason, and uh like they even wanted to keep Scott and Chronicle, but then they also wanted like other players, which means Chronicle at that point was just like, yeah, fuck it, I'm leaving.
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.720
And uh yeah, the cut had his health issues as well.
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:23.439
Like they really wanted to uh keep him, but then he couldn't play, so they had to like constantly decide if they wanted to sign another player or not, and it was just really rough for them.
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:38.319
And yeah, I think I think the main thing that I really like stood out for me was like the coaching thing because they felt like they didn't have an identity which they blamed the coach for, and uh yeah, like the team was the one who wanted to kind of change things more than the org or whatever, but yeah, I don't know.
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.520
I I do feel like Milan was the one who got fucked over the most by this team, so yeah, I'm not I'm not sure about it.
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:50.960
Well, yeah, the assumption is that he got a hefty bag in uh at Weibo, so hopefully he's come out the other side okay.
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:55.520
Um I think we don't have much more time, so I think we have to wrap ready.
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.760
Um but we've I think we did like a month without an episode.
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:01.039
We won't go that long this time.
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.760
We'll we'll be back very soon to talk champs.
01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:05.439
We gotta talk about champs, yeah.
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:06.079
Exactly.
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:12.159
Uh and probably by then there'll be new there'll be more roster stuff as well, so there'll be uh juicy stuff to talk about, I assume.
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:14.000
Um so we'll leave it there, guys.
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:15.520
Thanks very much for joining me.
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.760
Thanks for for dropping in for the first time, Luca.
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:22.239
And um as always, thanks everybody for watching, and we will see you next time.
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:22.720
Bye.
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:23.920
Yeah, can we keep Luca?
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:24.880
He's funny.
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:25.520
Thank you.
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.880
I'll think about it.
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:27.840
See you guys.
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.159
Steal him from the league, steal him from the league, guys.
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.199
Yeah, you wink him.
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:35.119
Lee Vaneto, Lee's Anito.