2027 NBA Over/Unders

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Welcome to the Bob Gross episode of the Hoop
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Theory podcast, aka episode 144, which is in
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honor of a gross being the unit of quantity for
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144. Recording this one on Friday, October 16th
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in the year of our Lord, 2026. My name is Logan
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Wortman and I am joined by my homonymous co -host,
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Jacob Roth. Jacob, how does it feel to be on
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the Bob Gross episode? Good. Good shout on the
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144 thing. a not nothing burger basketball player.
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Like it's like a, a dude that would probably
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has never had an episode of anything named after
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him respectfully, but, but just cause he was
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a good basketball player, but not like, yeah.
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Yeah. He's not like a defensive anchor. Yeah.
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Cause he's not like around 18. Didn't play anywhere
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guy. He contributed to a good team anyway. Oh
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yeah. So it's not homogenous. It's. Homonymous.
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Homonymous? Yeah. Is it like being one with chickpeas?
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No. I don't know how you got there. We'll break
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that down in a second. Oh, hummus. Okay. Homonymous.
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But it's with an O, H -O -M. So it's like a homonym,
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but in the adjective form. So the reason why
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I used it here is because it ties into his last
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name. Exactly. A homonym. Words that sound the
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same and are spelled the same, but have different
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meanings. Cool. Yeah. So like cool and cool.
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So I feel like there's got to be a lot of those
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that are all like lingo, not lingo. I guess lingo
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would be an acceptable terminology. Like you're
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talking about last name specifically. No, no,
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no. I'm talking about like words that would fit
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this definition. A lot of them became to existence
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due to sick being. I am physically ill. And then.
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sick being like sick like it like oh yeah how
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it's how the definitions of the words have evolved
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making so this is probably the largest rapidly
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growing category of types of words because words
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is definitions of being being added to because
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of lingo and pop culture so we've struggled on
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something here i guess so apparently because
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words are pretty stagnant i feel the english
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language isn't But I feel like words themselves
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are and then old words get used such as cool,
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sick, dog water. I'm trying to think of another.
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Wicked. Wicked's another one where it means cool
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and it also means evil. Evil. Yeah. Type of thing.
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Anyway. Sick. Great adjective. Great episode
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title. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out Bob Gross. Really
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changing up the format with. You know, devolving
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from the scoring list. Who would that be? Who
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would the man on the list at 144? Shremf was
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the candidate for 144. Yeah. Sorry, Detlef. Maybe
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we'll do like a, I'm trying to think if there's
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like a big number in Parks and Rec. If we get
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to 5 ,000, he could be it for 5 ,000 candles
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in the wind. Ooh. And then, I mean, that's years,
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decades from now. 5 ,000, yeah. Oh, yeah. But
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he was in Parks and Rec, for those that don't
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know. Him and Roy, the trash man Hibbert, were
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also, they were both in Parks and Rec. Part of
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E720 with Aziz Ansari's character, Tom. Oh, yeah.
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Okay. That was the name of the company. I think
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it was E720, Entertainment 720. Yeah. They opened
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a club and they just paid people to hang out.
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One of those people being Detlef Schrempf. Yeah.
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Anyway. Nice. Nice. That is it. Before we get
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into today's episode, which, by the way, is going
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to be the over -unders for this NBA season as
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we're heading into it, our annual tradition of
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picking the lines and, you know, going against
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each other, trying to compete for the ultimate
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title of the Hoop Theory champion. Because I've
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gotten last every year but one, right? I believe
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so, yeah. You did beat me two years ago, I want
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to say. But it was like a healthy, it was healthy.
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It was a healthy win. I want to say you had zero
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and I had negative two, but I might be wrong.
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Healthy. I think that was the only year that
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neither of us were in the positive. Anyways,
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before we get into anything, I'd like to first
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.mailbag at gmail .com. Without further ado,
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let's get into it. So starting off in the Atlantic
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division, we're going to go through all 30 NBA
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teams here today. Maybe if it takes a long time,
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this might be split up into two episodes, but
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unsure of that at the moment. Starting in the
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Atlantic, though. Jacob has something to say.
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Fans of teams, because we're doing all 30, we're
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spending maybe five minutes on a team. We're
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not going to be able to really deep dive into
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each of them. So if this is the place where you're
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excited to hear more about your beloved Washington
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Wizards, not going to be the episode probably.
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We'll talk about them for five minutes, but it's
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not going to be this in -depth masterclass. We're
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probably also going to accidentally talk a little
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bit extra about the Celtics and their adjacent
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teams and the Nuggets and their adjacent teams.
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Because that's just kind of what always happens.
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But with that being said, I'm ready to rock and
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roll. Where are we starting? It's in the Atlantic,
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but what team? We're going to start with the
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reigning world champions, the New York Knickerbockers.
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And so it looks like we're going to be using
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the FanDuel lines here, which just recently got
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put out. Lines from all these sports books here
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that I'm looking at, but we'll be using the FanDuel
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number and that for the New York Knicks, who
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won 53 games last year, which was barely under
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their line last year at 53 wins or 53 and a half.
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Excuse me. And so this line, though, this year
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is going to be 51 and a half via FanDuel. And
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that's yes, a little bit lower. I think it's
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mainly. Yeah, it's a good line. I think it's
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mainly because of the loss of Mitchell Robinson
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coming off the bench is the big thing there.
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Well, and then also the Atlantic division, the
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teams they have to play, I feel like is also.
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That's true. Measurably more problematic. Like
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it's mostly the Raptors aren't like a nothing
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burger now. Yeah. And the Sixers are improved.
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I don't personally think as a regular season
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team, but we'll get about that when we talk about
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them in the next 30 minutes, I suppose. But no,
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Knicks are 51 and a half. I think that's an awesome
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line. In my gut, my soul, I immediately ripped.
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I feel like 52 would have been my number. And
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it's right there. But I don't feel great about
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it. You have sat down. If folks have missed that,
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they should go back and watch. And you can see
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a better highlight of your specific team if the
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Knicks are your team. But what did you set their
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imaginary line at before you looked at the FanDuel
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lines? My line was 52 and a half. So right around
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what you were thinking as well. And so that's,
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I mean, if I'm going to go based on that for
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all of these, I feel like, yeah, this has got
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to be a slight over for me. I do feel pretty
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good about that. I definitely am not going to
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pick the under. Like, if anything, it'll be a
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stay away, I guess, but that's the only other
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thing I'm thinking of. Because Mitchell Robinson's
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their only measurable loss. Yeah. They brought
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in Andre Drummond. Yeah, who's a pretty decent
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replacement for him, honestly. Well, and especially
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if you're able, because he, like, With Mitchell
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Robinson's unavailability. Like, if Mitchell
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Robinson was always available, Andre Drummond's
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not ideal to fill the gap. But the fact that
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you didn't have Mitchell Robinson all the time,
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you're not losing much. They didn't lose Jose
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Alvarado. He came back. And they also signed
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Jordan Clarkson as another fun little something.
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I'm going to go under because I keep thinking
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about it. And there's a world they start off
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slower. And so this will still aggressively a
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playoff team. It'll be super close. I think 51
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and a half is a great line from the folks at
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FanDuel because shout out, they usually are pretty
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good at these. Very rarely do you have when you're
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like, that makes no sense to me. But I think
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I'm actually going to go under just for the sake
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of not being different, but because I can convince
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myself that that's not insane. And most of it
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is because what if they start slower? Yeah. That's
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fair. A little bit of the post -title blues maybe
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going on. Struggling with health also. They're
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not like crazy deep, I guess. Although they are
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a lot deeper than the Knicks used to be in previous
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iterations. And yeah, they didn't really lose
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anybody. And if anything, they did add a little
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bit more depth, I guess. And they have no impact
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rookies in my brain. Because they didn't pick
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in the first round, right? No, I don't believe
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so. But Tyler Kolek is a younger guy that's continuing
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to develop, I guess. Diawara is somebody who
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was kind of in the rotation last year that we
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might see more of. They also did lose their other
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backup center, Ariel Hock -Purdy, to the Sixers,
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who just tore his Achilles in preseason, which
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is really rough. That's unfortunate. That's almost
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two seasons gone. Not quite two seasons gone,
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but he will aggressively miss this whole year.
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Whole year, yeah. And then probably part of next
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year, unless Achilles have turned into not as
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big of a deal. But maybe there's just some insane
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freak basketball players. And he was set to have
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a pretty good minutes load with Joel Embiid backing
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up him, which we'll get to the Sixers, I guess,
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in a second. Anyways, so yeah, with the Knicks,
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I'm going to go over slightly. You're going to
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go under. I guess the case for them to go under,
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another thing I see to that is the Cat contract
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negotiation. Sounds like, you know, obviously
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he's wanting another Supermax extension and the
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Knicks are like, I don't know. I don't know about
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that, mister. You know, we won the title with
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you and you were a big part of that, but I don't
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know if we want to commit to a whole nother half
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decade with you. We're getting paid that amount
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of money in the second apron era. Which makes
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sense. The second apron era is the emphasis.
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If this is the old CBA, they're letting it fly,
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I would assume. But in this current apron, not
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the play. But we'll see. We'll see how things
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go. Mine, I don't feel great about it, but I
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also think that us being the same on everything
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is not ideal. And I feel strongly -ish enough
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about things could go wrong on starting slow,
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so I will go under. Because it's getting hard.
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I feel like it's getting harder and harder for
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teams to like, oh yeah, they're going to get
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to 55 wins because of how the boats have all
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started to level. There's still some boats that
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are up here. The teams that we'll talk about
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in the West, they'll get there, but it's just,
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yeah. Anyway, that is my point. I'm going under.
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You're going over. That does it for the Knicks.
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Nice. And now on to the Philadelphia 76ers. Oh,
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we are jumping right into Philly. Yeah, we are.
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So they have a lot of additions, a lot of things
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that changed in the offseason. Mainly, you know,
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arguably the best player of all time in LeBron
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James. But then also, he's not even the best
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player they got, which is just a crazy sentence
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to say. That, you know, arguably the best player
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of all time is not their best addition. I would
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say Jalen Brown is probably the more prominent
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player at the moment. But, you know, this is
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just a hodgepodge of talent. Definitely a lot
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of talent, but definitely not like what you would
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think of on paper as like, you know, the most
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complimentary skill sets, as well as not really
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having that much of like a defensive anchor to
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lean on, especially with Joel Embiid not being
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healthy, you know, year after year and continuing
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to decline in his mobility. Like he's basically
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like a drop defense big. Like that's that's the.
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only area he's really effective in. And so that
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leaves Jalen Brown and I guess Vijay Edgecombe,
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if he continues to develop on that side of the
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ball, which he wasn't bad his rookie year, those
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are the only two stoppers you have out there
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on the perimeter. So I definitely view them as
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potentially a bottom 10 defense in the NBA, as
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starting five at least. And then the other thing
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is, who knows how many games this starting five
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will even play. It's not going to be a lot. I'm
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glad that you're saying the same things that
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I was because I was going to look like a hater.
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I almost don't need to hear the line. I think
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this team will be a straight up not very good
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regular season team. Emphasis on regular season
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team. When playoff comes around and they only
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need to play seven people and they can like make
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sure that everybody's healthy going into what
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they hope to be a 16 game run to hold up the
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Larry O 'Brien. it'll be more than that because
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that's how the world works, but like 16 wins
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at least. Yeah. Yeah. 16 win run to get to the
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finals or to win the finals. But in the regular
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season, I think this team will probably see it.
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We'll do just enough to get to the playoffs will
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be their goal. Yeah. And I've seen some people's
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counterpoint be, well, Jalen Brown was the, was
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the guy on a team and they won so many games
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last year in Boston. Yes. Everything around Jalen
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Brown, if you're just taking the Joel Embiid's
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hurt, LeBron's not going to play all the time.
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Like Maxie and Edgecombe probably edge out the
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next two best Celtics, but like the rest of the
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Celtics are built around also just being good
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in the regular season. So to use that as an apples
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to apples feels stupid to me, pretty aggressively
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so. Especially when the Celtics were literally
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better last season when Jalen Brown wasn't on
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the floor. Well, don't tell people that because
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then they'll just say that you are stupid and
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you're trying to cope for Celtics fans. Yeah.
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Analytics don't mean anything. Have you watched
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with your eyes? Idiot. I'm in all seriousness,
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though. I am bummed for Jalen Brown. I hope the
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Sixers are. Oh, I hope he's awesome. I hope the
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rest of the Sixers suck. That makes sense. And
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I'm confused. How is that not the opening day
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game? for boston like how does dude i don't want
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to speak every year it is it's look but this
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is also dude just yeah it's whatever the knicks
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are finally relevant what also another thing
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why are we starting the season at two o 'clock
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oh yeah that was super weird i totally forgot
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about that and then the celtics and they're like
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hmm what could we drum up let's throw them to
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detroit Stupid. Have them play L .A. or something.
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If you're not going to give them the Sixers,
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have them play the Lakers. Like, what are we
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doing? Are you dumb? I don't get it. A lot of
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the scheduling stuff was dumb. But that's not
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what we're here to talk about. The Philadelphia
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76ers, their line last year was 42 and a half,
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and they won 45, which I. locked the over and
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you locked the under on that one. Hater. That's
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completely expected. And then this year, my line,
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I guess FanDuel's line for them this year is
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49 .5. Do I have that done correctly? Yeah, 49
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.5 wins is their line this year. And my line
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that I gave them was 47 .5, which I knew was
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going to be a little bit lower than consensus
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because I just see a lot of the things that we
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just said. In regular season, I feel like they're
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just not built to... play an 82 game, you know,
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year with a lot of their star players. You know,
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LeBron is literally 42 years old or whatever
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he is, and he has arthritis in his foot. So that
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doesn't bode too well, like starting the season
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off with that one. And then Joel Embiid plays
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an average of like 30 games per year in the past
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three seasons. And then their center depth they
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just brought on as we alluded to also just got
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hurt. So no, I am. I'm still going to do the
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under. I might hit him with a capital under,
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like a bit of a lock ski because I'm a hater,
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but I'm going to save my lock because of... I'll
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probably come back and reevaluate my locks because
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last year I threw him out based on vibes too
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much, and it hurt me the most when we were going
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through last year's point totals. I missed on
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a lot of my locks because I was just... I was
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being too much of a hater or a lover, and it
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just didn't work for me. So I'm just going to
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do a regular under. Again, this is not because
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I think the Sixers are bad at basketball or are
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going to underperform. I just think the odds
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makers are aware, well, people are going to assume
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this team's going to be nuts, and they'll just
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vote, bet the over, even though this team will
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be nuts, win healthy, and they're going to save
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the health for the playoffs if they're ever able
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to. It's the way that my brain works, so that
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is why I'm going the under. And I will have to
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agree with you on that one, just because, I mean,
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I definitely could see a world where they win
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50 games. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely
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in the realm of possibility, but no, cause like
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if, if all the major people that always get hurt,
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get hurt for a big stretches. So let's just say
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they don't have LeBron for big stretches. He's
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not a historically hurt guy, but he's getting
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older. So they save him. If Joel Embiid gets
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hurt for long stretches, they'll definitely struggle
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with the big side, but like, A team with Vijay
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Edgecombe, if he takes any sort of a leap, Tyrese
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Maxey and Jalen Brown would give any team fits
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regularly. Yeah. So it's, it's, yeah, I totally
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see the world where there's an over, but more
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confident in the under. Yeah. I could definitely
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see those guys not like necessarily. Yeah. Also
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another big bench guy. For sure. Dean Wade coming
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off the bench, I think will be probably their
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best defensive player to be honest on the whole
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roster. I know you don't like any wings on the
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Cavs. No, this was because of the six threes
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that he had in the fourth quarter. It was like
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20 -something points, 18 points in the third
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quarter. Dumb. Dean Wade. Sorry, screw Dean Wade.
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Forget Dean Wade. Forget Dean Wade. Yeah, but
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I'm a Dean Wade. you know, type of guy, I guess
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I just like grit and grind defense and hit threes
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sometimes when he, when he has it going, but
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I should love Dean Wade. That's the worst part
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is I should love him in a vacuum, like things
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that I love. I should, but he did it to me. That's
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very true. But yeah, Philly, I'm going to go
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under as well. I don't think I'm going to lock.
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I'll give you the option to do that later though,
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for sure. But yeah, I think that if those three
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guys don't gel super well right out the gates,
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which I could see because they don't really have
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like a complimentary skill set. I mean, it's
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just with how how packed this Eastern Conference
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is. It's just so, you know, competitive this
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year compared to honestly, there's more good
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teams, more playoff teams up in quotes in the
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East this year than in the West. No, it's almost
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not flipped, but like we're what? Five years
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in, maybe even more of the West literally dog
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walks the East, except for maybe the top two
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teams in the East. Yeah, but now it's just like
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the top two in the West are head and shoulders
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above everybody, it feels like. Yeah. And then
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the East is like, honestly, you could go East
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three through eight. I will talk about it when
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we get to the West. There is a team in the West
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that I'm aggressively passionate about. It's
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going to be way better than people are giving
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them appreciation for. But that is a point for
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the West. Reason to keep on listening. We did
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way more than five minutes for the Logan. Yeah.
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You are going under. I am also going under. Yes.
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For the Sixers line at 49 and a half. Correct.
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Where are we headed next in the Atlantic division?
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We're going just north a couple hours, maybe
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a little bit more than that. Boston, Massachusetts
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with the Boston Celtics. Their line this year
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is 52 and a half, which is 10 wins above. where
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they were at last year with their line, which
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they completely demolished, getting 56 wins,
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obviously, just on the power of friendship, and
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Joe Mazzulla, honestly. And then this year, yeah,
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52 .5 is their line. In my video that I did for
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them, I picked 49 .5, which I was surprised with
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how much higher everybody else was. The reason
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why I go a little bit lower than where I feel
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like they usually end up is because A similar
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thing with Philly, with the injuries. Jason Tatum,
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historically, is a pretty healthy player, but
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obviously he's the heart and soul of this team
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as the main guy now. And he obviously is coming
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off an Achilles tear from two seasons ago at
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this point, but he missed all last year rehabbing
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that. So there's questions, I guess, there. And
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then Paul George is getting another year older,
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and he's barely healthy as it is recently. And
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then Mitchell Robinson, the guy that you added
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as, you know, your starting center, most likely
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when the, you know, tip happens on opening night.
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And, you know, he also only plays like 40 games
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a season or so. So I don't love like the availability
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factor. And that's what kind of just makes me
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knock it down a few notches. But I could definitely
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see them getting exactly what they did last year
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up at like 56 wins. Yeah, I'm going to lock the
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over. I have to out of principle. But there is
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like an inkling of me that was like, maybe I
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should stay away. I'm not going to, but I'm going
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to lock the over because of all the things you
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said, like Jason Tatum and tell the Achilles
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was essentially like as Ironman as they come.
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I think he averaged. What did you say? It's like
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mid 70s. I think 75. Yeah, 75 games per season.
00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:55.559
up to when he missed that entire season. Or what
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was supposed to be the entire season, but he
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kind of battled back, obviously. No, I'm going
00:23:01.869 --> 00:23:05.630
to lock the over, but it's almost a stay away.
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And I know that's not the way it normally works,
00:23:07.269 --> 00:23:10.650
but I feel like out of principle I have to. And
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I'm okay with it. Because lock in for the Peyton
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Pritchard ascension is going to end up being
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the greatest. It might already be one of the
00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:21.480
best deals. that exists in the NBA currently.
00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.160
I guess LeBron for $4 million a year is pretty
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:28.220
nuts. Yeah, pretty good. Danny Avdia. But the
00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:32.240
Peyton Pritchard one also feels like highway
00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.779
robbery now. It felt good when we first signed
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him, but if he makes any kind of a measurable
00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:41.539
leap this year, that'll be huge. There's a lot
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of same variability that we always have. If the
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threes are going down, sick, we're good forever.
00:23:48.930 --> 00:23:51.690
If the threes aren't, Not sick. Not going to
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be great. Yeah, that is all I have. The defense
00:23:56.470 --> 00:23:59.950
will still be good. Very good. Mitchell Robinson's
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healthy. That's awesome if that stays that way.
00:24:02.630 --> 00:24:05.390
But even if he's – it all matters for playoffs.
00:24:05.490 --> 00:24:06.910
Regular seasons, whatever. You just got to get
00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:10.670
to the playoffs. Having him for the playoffs
00:24:10.670 --> 00:24:12.250
would be huge, especially if you guys are going
00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:14.369
against the team. The two teams that have faced
00:24:14.369 --> 00:24:16.450
each other the most times in the playoffs in
00:24:16.450 --> 00:24:19.509
NBA history, the Celtics and the Sixers. Joel
00:24:19.509 --> 00:24:21.650
Embiid, Mitchell Robinson's like probably the
00:24:21.650 --> 00:24:23.549
best player in the world to guard Joel Embiid.
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So, and that would, I don't know. I, that'd be
00:24:30.859 --> 00:24:32.700
great. That, that will be a crazy series. If
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.000
history repeats itself as it has more than any
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other sequencing possible. Yeah. Um, but I, yeah,
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I'm going to lock my over Logan. How do you feel?
00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:43.579
I know I, I ate up a lot of the time, but do
00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:45.740
you have anything else further to add? Um, I
00:24:45.740 --> 00:24:48.140
won't have any points just going to make my pick.
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.150
I think. I'll go the under just based off principle
00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:54.950
of like where I put their line, but I don't feel
00:24:54.950 --> 00:24:58.029
great about it. I might, this is definitely one
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I'll mark down as a stay away candidate just
00:25:00.690 --> 00:25:04.390
to use when we circle back. If I haven't used
00:25:04.390 --> 00:25:06.390
all of them for those who don't know where we
00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:09.470
have three stay aways to use per conference is
00:25:09.470 --> 00:25:12.049
what we're doing. So it's one per division, but
00:25:12.049 --> 00:25:14.549
we can flex them intermittently throughout the
00:25:14.549 --> 00:25:17.849
divisions as well as so a total across the entire
00:25:17.849 --> 00:25:22.460
NBA of six locks. And six stay aways. Yeah. Stay
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aways. But in previous iterations that were like
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.079
locked per division. And then yeah, we back when
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.059
we did an episode or one division per episode
00:25:32.059 --> 00:25:35.079
back in those days. And we've we've added some
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.789
more flexibility. But it's before we move on
00:25:38.789 --> 00:25:40.430
to the next team in the Atlantic Division, the
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Toronto Raptors. We're going to take a quick
00:25:42.109 --> 00:25:44.069
break here. We will see you on the other side.
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All right, welcome back to the Hoop Theory podcast,
00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:56.109
continuing to go through our preseason over -underlines
00:25:56.109 --> 00:26:00.769
for the 2026 -2027 NBA regular season. Now we
00:26:00.769 --> 00:26:03.930
are three teams in the Atlantic Division on to
00:26:03.930 --> 00:26:07.029
the final two. This one is a team that's up in
00:26:07.029 --> 00:26:11.230
the Canadian sector of this division, and that
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is the Toronto Raptors. Their line last year
00:26:14.750 --> 00:26:18.930
was 37 .5 wins, which they... were able to pretty
00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:22.069
comfortably go over with 46 wins. And so this
00:26:22.069 --> 00:26:25.109
year on FanDuel, their line is going to be 46
00:26:25.109 --> 00:26:29.470
and a half wins, which is just one win over exactly
00:26:29.470 --> 00:26:33.549
what I had my line for them at. And honestly,
00:26:33.750 --> 00:26:35.430
I feel like a broken record at this point in
00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:38.049
this division, but it's another health concern
00:26:38.049 --> 00:26:39.849
thing with they just traded for Kawhi Leonard,
00:26:39.990 --> 00:26:43.109
obviously, who famously has some health issues.
00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:46.309
And so that's going to be something that will
00:26:46.309 --> 00:26:49.789
very greatly affect where they finish in the
00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:52.549
standings. But adding him, I think definitely
00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:55.430
raises their playoff ceiling. Again, health concerns
00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:57.910
in the playoffs is a thing for him as well. So
00:26:57.910 --> 00:26:59.990
that's going to be the make or break thing for
00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.349
this team. But Scottie Barnes, you know, he's
00:27:02.349 --> 00:27:04.670
come out of the scene, might ascend into like
00:27:04.670 --> 00:27:09.549
a truly top 15, top 12 player in the NBA if he's
00:27:09.549 --> 00:27:12.269
not already kind of there, honestly. Which is
00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:15.329
crazy considering, Considering the big thing
00:27:15.329 --> 00:27:18.069
with Kawhi, obviously, a lot of the time when
00:27:18.069 --> 00:27:20.150
people think Kawhi, it's like, oh, the defense
00:27:20.150 --> 00:27:22.210
that Kawhi can do on top of doing the offense.
00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:25.150
But this Raptors team just needs Kawhi to be
00:27:25.150 --> 00:27:28.529
an offensive. They just need him to do the offense
00:27:28.529 --> 00:27:31.609
side. So I also wonder how much that'll be able
00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:34.089
to kind of help because he will be able to focus
00:27:34.089 --> 00:27:35.750
on the offensive side of the ball on defenses.
00:27:36.430 --> 00:27:38.650
Not exclusively. A lot of the time, what really
00:27:38.650 --> 00:27:41.599
wears on your body. And he's not going to be
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.079
asked to have to defend all that often. I'm really
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.319
high on the Raptors for that. I'm going to go
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.779
over, but it's like a barely over. I don't feel
00:27:49.779 --> 00:27:53.359
great about it. But like when Kawhi has been
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:59.180
healthy, he's looked so good. And it's like absurd
00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:01.480
how insanely good he's looked when he is healthy.
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:07.099
So I'm probably going to do an over, just a soft
00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:11.190
over. Don't feel great about it. Yeah, I felt
00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:12.869
bad when I was looking at it because I was also
00:28:12.869 --> 00:28:15.150
thinking with the under, maybe even a salee,
00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:17.849
this might pivot to a stay away for me because
00:28:17.849 --> 00:28:20.410
the team that I think if they're healthy, the
00:28:20.859 --> 00:28:23.200
46 and a half is going to be comfortably covered.
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:25.589
But if they're not healthy. So I'm like, well,
00:28:25.589 --> 00:28:27.390
that feels like a definition of a good candidate
00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:30.589
for a stay away. But I would be optimistic if
00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.829
I was a Raptors fan. And they also have one of
00:28:32.829 --> 00:28:35.430
those coaches that can do a lot with what he
00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:38.289
has. He's not preventing any kind of performance.
00:28:38.390 --> 00:28:40.049
He's making it more than the sum of the parts
00:28:40.049 --> 00:28:43.930
type of thing. So I'm going to go over on the
00:28:43.930 --> 00:28:46.910
46 .5 for the Raptors. Okay, I'll mark it down
00:28:46.910 --> 00:28:49.190
as an over. Might end up being a stay away, but
00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:53.509
it's notated as a maybe stay away, but it's not
00:28:53.509 --> 00:28:57.130
as of right now. Yeah. I'm basically the same,
00:28:57.230 --> 00:29:00.150
just in the inverse where I'm like, I'm leaning
00:29:00.150 --> 00:29:02.589
under a little bit, but I think I'm going to
00:29:02.589 --> 00:29:06.569
go with the stay away. Ultimately. I think is
00:29:06.569 --> 00:29:08.329
probably what I'll do just because there's so
00:29:08.329 --> 00:29:10.230
many, I mean, I like that's, that's definitely
00:29:10.230 --> 00:29:12.210
going to be one of the main teams as we go through
00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:14.130
here. That's like, that's a good candidate for
00:29:14.130 --> 00:29:16.029
a stay away. I think I'm just going to rip it.
00:29:16.069 --> 00:29:18.359
So I don't have to think about it anymore. So
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.000
you're going to go stay away. I'm just going
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.619
to go stay away. I'm just going to rip it and,
00:29:21.619 --> 00:29:27.289
and X for my mind. OK, I'm going to let's see
00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:29.869
here. I mean, I'm if I go under, it's just like
00:29:29.869 --> 00:29:33.740
I'm barely going under and I don't even feel
00:29:33.740 --> 00:29:36.180
that good about that at all. I think I'm going
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:38.680
to have to go stay away as well. As boring as
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.859
that is. No, we've got enough variability between
00:29:42.859 --> 00:29:44.980
us thus far that it's not the end of the world.
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.859
And if it's what you feel, it's what you feel.
00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:50.099
We don't need to. break up break the game yeah
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.079
definitely is what i feel so for the raptors
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.240
at 46 and a half we're both staying away quick
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.160
recap where we're at here we're i guess we'll
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.480
wait for the recap probably till we wrap up the
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:00.779
whole division that would probably be a nicer
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:04.559
place for the recap but nets is the only remaining
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.720
team in this division that uh hails from the
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.140
atlantic coast yes uh precisely and they are
00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:14.390
on an island actually as well On Long Island.
00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:17.930
They're as Atlantic as you can get. Yeah. But
00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:20.490
anyways, the Brooklyn Nets, they are, that's
00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:23.349
a team, honestly. That's one of the teams of
00:30:23.349 --> 00:30:25.829
all time. They've got Michael Porter Jr. and
00:30:25.829 --> 00:30:29.230
Julius Randall controlling things there. I do
00:30:29.230 --> 00:30:31.130
like their coach in Jordy Fernandez, but this
00:30:31.130 --> 00:30:34.930
roster is very chaotic is what I would call it.
00:30:35.609 --> 00:30:38.269
And, you know, obviously they're in a rebuild,
00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.349
but this is like. This is going to be the hardest
00:30:41.349 --> 00:30:43.329
thing for all these rebuilding teams. Brooklyn
00:30:43.329 --> 00:30:45.769
is another good candidate for a stay away to
00:30:45.769 --> 00:30:48.950
me. I just spoiled that a little bit. But the
00:30:48.950 --> 00:30:51.829
reason why is because this year, I think the
00:30:51.829 --> 00:30:54.509
tanking rules is really going to change what
00:30:54.509 --> 00:30:56.549
the bottom of the league looks like in terms
00:30:56.549 --> 00:31:01.150
of the standings. I just don't think teams are
00:31:01.150 --> 00:31:03.970
going to want to end up in that bottom three.
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.380
where they're going to be, you know, removed
00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:09.319
a ping pong ball from their odds to get the number
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.680
one pick. Like there's going to be a scraping
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.960
claw like battle to stay out of that bottom three.
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:17.579
And even for teams that don't own their own picks,
00:31:17.779 --> 00:31:19.420
like you would think in theory, like some people
00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:21.900
might be like, oh, that team doesn't mind if
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:23.740
they end up down there because they don't have
00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:25.619
their own pick that year. They're still kind
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:28.079
of incentivized to not end up in the bottom three
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.569
because on years that they... Exactly. On years
00:31:32.569 --> 00:31:35.470
that they don't own their own pick, they don't
00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:37.789
want their pick to end up being number one because
00:31:37.789 --> 00:31:40.650
that actually affects another rule that was added
00:31:40.650 --> 00:31:44.170
was you are not allowed to have the same team
00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:46.509
have the first overall pick two years in a row.
00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:48.910
And so the next year when they have their own
00:31:48.910 --> 00:31:52.109
pick, if they get the number one pick on the
00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:54.769
year that they don't own it. then that removes
00:31:54.769 --> 00:31:56.730
them from being eligible to get the number one
00:31:56.730 --> 00:31:58.430
pick the next year, which I think is kind of
00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:00.730
crazy that it works that way. It still counts
00:32:00.730 --> 00:32:03.230
for them, even though. Has there ever, or it
00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:04.730
can't have been that many times you've had back
00:32:04.730 --> 00:32:06.250
-to -back number one overall picks, has there?
00:32:06.490 --> 00:32:09.309
Yeah, that was the reason why they, so only two
00:32:09.309 --> 00:32:13.349
years ever have they had a lottery system that
00:32:13.349 --> 00:32:16.049
was just perfect. The bottom 14 all have the
00:32:16.049 --> 00:32:19.400
same odds. The reason why they only did two years
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.720
of that is because the Orlando Magic won the
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.049
first overall pick both years. And that's the
00:32:25.049 --> 00:32:27.349
only time that's ever happened. Yeah. Well, I
00:32:27.349 --> 00:32:29.730
guess, I don't know if it's the only time a team
00:32:29.730 --> 00:32:31.490
has ever won back -to -back, but I know that's
00:32:31.490 --> 00:32:33.430
the reason why they stopped doing the flat lottery
00:32:33.430 --> 00:32:36.849
odds right away. Where it was like, one had the
00:32:36.849 --> 00:32:40.450
best, two had the next. Everybody thought that
00:32:40.450 --> 00:32:42.950
it was rigged, you know, obviously. But they
00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:45.269
were like... we can't have this happen again.
00:32:45.329 --> 00:32:47.410
Like we don't want a team to just be able to
00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:49.890
get the number one pick multiple years in a row.
00:32:51.049 --> 00:32:53.690
And so that's why they changed that. But yeah,
00:32:53.769 --> 00:32:56.710
so I think that it's probably not going to come
00:32:56.710 --> 00:32:58.990
into play a ton, obviously, but I still think
00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.670
that from like a process standpoint from a team
00:33:01.670 --> 00:33:04.170
that's in the bottom three, they just have no
00:33:04.170 --> 00:33:06.750
reason to try to lose games, you know, towards
00:33:06.750 --> 00:33:08.069
the end of the season when they're playing against
00:33:08.069 --> 00:33:11.470
those teams. In the same way as previously. What
00:33:11.660 --> 00:33:14.799
is the line at? Oh, yeah, I should mention that.
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.980
They have a line on FanDuel of 25 .5 wins. Last
00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.500
year, it was only 20 .5, and they were just under
00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:24.920
it at 20 wins. My line I made for them was 23
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.099
.5. I feel like 25 .5 almost cooks in the, like,
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:33.000
they will keep trying because tanking isn't incentivized.
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:36.740
So that's actually a really good line. I think
00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:42.900
I'm going to go under. yeah 26 wins that feels
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:45.779
kind of crazy my gut felt like that just immediately
00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:49.759
was a gut check to under so under is what i am
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.400
choosing it's hard not to feel that way but yeah
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.079
again like i just don't know how drastic the
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.180
difference will be from this you know the tanking
00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.660
rules change um i just don't know what that's
00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:03.759
gonna look like yet so but i'm i think i'm gonna
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:09.280
go under as well um As we now have three out
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.820
of the five picks the same. But I might end up
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:18.139
locking the Philly. I don't know if I feel that
00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:20.059
good about that, actually. I wrote that down
00:34:20.059 --> 00:34:21.940
as a note, but I don't. Actually, that was for
00:34:21.940 --> 00:34:24.639
you. You talked about locking the under on Philly.
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.619
That was what that was. I also have that notated,
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.380
but I'm unsure at the moment. But that'll do
00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:34.329
it for the Atlantic. Yes. Quick recap. The Knicks
00:34:34.329 --> 00:34:37.610
sitting at 51 and a half. I have the under. Logan
00:34:37.610 --> 00:34:40.650
has the over. The Sixers are at 49 and a half.
00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:43.230
I'm still currently at the under. Logan's sitting
00:34:43.230 --> 00:34:45.369
at an under as well, but there's a world where
00:34:45.369 --> 00:34:47.829
I end up making mine a lock under. I do have
00:34:47.829 --> 00:34:50.650
a Celtics lock on the over as their line is 52
00:34:50.650 --> 00:34:53.769
and a half. Logan sitting on an under. Both of
00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:56.230
us chose to stay away on the Raptors after much
00:34:56.230 --> 00:34:59.130
deliberation. I leaned slightly over. Logan leaned
00:34:59.130 --> 00:35:00.789
slightly under, but it was ever so slightly.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.340
Both elected to stay away. And the Nets, 25 and
00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:07.039
a half. Both of us are currently going under.
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:10.019
But Logan, as he just alluded to, contemplated
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:11.920
a stay away. And that'll do it for the Atlantic.
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.940
Lots of unders. Pessimism for good basketball.
00:35:15.219 --> 00:35:18.820
Or at least line basketball. But we are going
00:35:18.820 --> 00:35:20.559
to think that over a little bit and take a quick
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.599
break and be back. We will jump into the central
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.320
region. Anything else to add, Logan? No, I don't
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.340
think so. Other than when I did my videos at
00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:32.820
the Atlantic, I did notice that I was below consensus
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:35.460
on all of them. But I think that's going to change
00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:38.360
here in the Central, as we'll begin to see. But
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.420
yeah, we will see you on the other side of this
00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:48.829
quick break. All right, welcome back to the Hoop
00:35:48.829 --> 00:35:51.869
3 podcast. We are continuing to go through the
00:35:51.869 --> 00:35:54.730
over -under lines for this NBA season in 2027.
00:35:55.030 --> 00:35:57.670
We are on to the Central division now after doing
00:35:57.670 --> 00:36:00.659
the Atlantic. I have changed my shirt for people
00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:03.000
who are watching the video. Actually, I just
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.400
took my sweatshirt off, but I'm wearing the one
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.320
and the only Danilo Gallinari, baby blue Denver
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.820
Nuggets jersey, or shirt jersey rather, who made
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:16.039
headlines this offseason with some quotes. But
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.579
we're not here to talk about that. We are here
00:36:18.579 --> 00:36:20.679
to talk about the Central Division. The Cleveland
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.840
Cavaliers is the first team we'll start off here
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.110
in the Central. They have a line of 47 and a
00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:30.789
half for this season. Last year, it was all the
00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:33.969
way up at 56 and a half because they won 64 the
00:36:33.969 --> 00:36:36.469
year before that. And they were just short of
00:36:36.469 --> 00:36:40.570
that by a few games. Good amount at 52 wins.
00:36:40.809 --> 00:36:44.570
And now this year, yeah, like I said, 47 is their
00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:47.369
line at FanDuel at least. There's a couple other
00:36:47.369 --> 00:36:50.210
books that have different odds, just like one
00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:53.070
or two wins off. But 47 and a half is the line
00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:55.429
we'll be looking at. And obviously they made
00:36:55.429 --> 00:36:58.389
the addition of Peyton Watson at the three to
00:36:58.389 --> 00:37:00.230
fit in between their two guards and their two
00:37:00.230 --> 00:37:04.150
bigs. And obviously Peyton Watson plays. He had
00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:05.969
played for the team that I cheer for in the Denver
00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:09.469
Nuggets and had the breakout, you know, 16 game
00:37:09.469 --> 00:37:12.710
stretch last off or last regular season while
00:37:12.710 --> 00:37:15.090
Jokic was out where he looked like a potential
00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:19.590
star. But honestly, all he's got to do in a Cavs
00:37:19.590 --> 00:37:23.309
uniform is defend the ball mainly. And then just
00:37:23.309 --> 00:37:25.550
knock down corner threes, essentially, is the
00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:27.010
job description. And I think he's going to do
00:37:27.010 --> 00:37:29.190
that pretty well compared to what they've had
00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:31.530
going there in Cleveland before him. No, and
00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:33.130
a more, because we even kind of said it when
00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:35.389
we talked about Dean Wade, the defense and the
00:37:35.389 --> 00:37:36.849
threes were there, but the threes were there
00:37:36.849 --> 00:37:42.440
like, eh? Like it wasn't as much juice as you
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:47.659
would probably prefer. But no, I'm a shocker,
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.869
not super high on the Cavs. Yeah. I feel like,
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.480
The team as it stands won't, they might be like
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.980
fine to good in the regular season, but I just
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:02.829
don't think they'll win anything that matters
00:38:02.829 --> 00:38:07.449
until something major changes about their, it
00:38:08.050 --> 00:38:11.030
just doesn't work. The makeup of their team,
00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:13.630
like it feels like it should, or it feels like
00:38:13.630 --> 00:38:16.429
it was going to, and as guys have continued to
00:38:16.429 --> 00:38:20.030
develop and regress and it's not, it's just not.
00:38:20.349 --> 00:38:23.349
So we'll see. Maybe there'll be a big change.
00:38:23.610 --> 00:38:26.369
I know that they were kind of like the outside
00:38:26.369 --> 00:38:29.449
name for just about every like big name. Like
00:38:29.449 --> 00:38:31.630
they were part of the LeBron, maybe sweet steaks
00:38:31.630 --> 00:38:34.570
and all these different things. So it feels like
00:38:34.570 --> 00:38:36.690
they also might be like aware they need to change
00:38:36.690 --> 00:38:38.750
some things, but they have insane talent. Obviously,
00:38:38.769 --> 00:38:41.110
Evan Mobley, Jersey hanging in the rafters of
00:38:41.110 --> 00:38:46.210
the hoop theory podcast. You've got my arch nemesis.
00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:48.590
I still don't know why. And Donovan Mitchell.
00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:54.880
Yeah. I don't know. Arch nemesis and James Harden.
00:38:55.420 --> 00:38:59.760
Yeah, but I even don't have a, I don't know,
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.900
but I wonder if it's James Harden. I have like
00:39:01.900 --> 00:39:04.480
childhood splendor about where I'm like, man,
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:08.239
he was just crazy down there in Houston. Like
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.940
he was part of the wave of guys that just made
00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:13.159
triple doubles, not seem like that big of a deal.
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:16.360
A lower one of the guys that made them not seem
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.260
like a big deal. Obviously Jokic. Westbrook,
00:39:19.300 --> 00:39:20.960
those are the guys that are like, oh, triple
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.239
-double, whatever. But he was also doing it with
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.400
a regularity that I don't think most other eras
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.880
were accustomed to. Especially like the 50 and
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.199
60 -point triple -doubles. I think he still leads
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.699
in those. Because that's absurd. I still got
00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:37.320
the other stats, but I dropped some people's
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.179
career lifetime highs. Some dudes don't drop
00:39:40.179 --> 00:39:42.739
that in high school and make it to the NBA, and
00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:45.239
their career high is still only in the 40s. Anyway.
00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:48.829
With that all being said, not super high on the
00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:51.650
Cavs, so I'm going to go under even after they've
00:39:51.650 --> 00:39:54.550
dropped the line substantially from years previous.
00:39:55.230 --> 00:39:59.190
Yeah, it is. This is an all -time low. I shouldn't
00:39:59.190 --> 00:40:01.369
say all -time, but, you know, in the past several
00:40:01.369 --> 00:40:07.809
seasons. Yeah, honestly, the Cavs hold a special
00:40:07.809 --> 00:40:09.869
place in Hoop Theory's heart because right when
00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:12.860
we kind of started. When we first switched from
00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:14.860
next man up to hoop theory, that was the season
00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:17.400
that Mobley was getting drafted. And I was super
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.480
high on the Cavs when they had a line. It was
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.380
one of our first years doing this. Their line
00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:24.320
was like, I want to say it was like 27 and a
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.780
half. And I like locked the over and you and
00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:28.719
Anthony. I'm sure I had a physical reaction to
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.000
that. Yeah. And they ended up winning like 45
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.420
games that year. That was like the sex land era.
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.780
Oh, yes. Colin Sexton and Darius Garland. Yeah.
00:40:38.139 --> 00:40:41.429
So. Cleveland has always been like a pet team
00:40:41.429 --> 00:40:44.090
of mine ever since that. So I'm going to continue
00:40:44.090 --> 00:40:46.389
to ride for them, even though I do see like the
00:40:46.389 --> 00:40:48.530
vibes are at an all time low right now with the
00:40:48.530 --> 00:40:50.289
even though they made it as far as they ever,
00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:53.070
ever had since having LeBron in the playoffs
00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:55.809
last season. It didn't end well against the Knicks
00:40:55.809 --> 00:40:59.489
being swept after losing that 23 point lead in
00:40:59.489 --> 00:41:02.860
the fourth quarter of game one. And so, but that,
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.519
I mean, I just feel like 47 and a half is a really
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.599
low line for how good of a regular season team
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.119
this squad is. And I think they just got better
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.239
in adding Peyton Watson, to be honest, and having
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.800
a full season. Peyton Watson, I think, is the
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.119
first step on how they pivot to make this core
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.480
still work. Because I think the core can work.
00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:27.670
I think Donovan Mitchell can be like... the best
00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:29.710
scorer on a team that wins a championship like
00:41:29.710 --> 00:41:32.309
that's not the question it's the is everything
00:41:32.309 --> 00:41:35.130
how do they get everything else around him to
00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:37.909
make it work and as old james harden when is
00:41:37.909 --> 00:41:42.670
his regression going to appear like what but
00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:46.190
maybe 35 or 40 is the new 35 so who knows who
00:41:46.190 --> 00:41:48.769
knows how the the world works but yeah no that's
00:41:48.769 --> 00:41:50.869
true i think this defense is gonna be really
00:41:50.869 --> 00:41:53.190
really good also last year was kind of like they
00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:55.449
took a dip compared to where they had been in
00:41:55.449 --> 00:41:57.789
years previous, I think mainly because of Harden,
00:41:57.889 --> 00:42:00.409
to be honest, even though Garland was a defensive
00:42:00.409 --> 00:42:03.590
liability as well. But Harden provided just a
00:42:03.590 --> 00:42:05.690
different layer of that. But now having Peyton
00:42:05.690 --> 00:42:09.030
Watson with that insane front line with Mobley
00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:12.429
and Allen, it's like the most ample amount of
00:42:12.429 --> 00:42:14.230
rim protection that any lineup in the league
00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:16.409
has, to be honest, combined. Other than if you
00:42:16.409 --> 00:42:18.550
want to count just Wemby by himself, I guess.
00:42:19.170 --> 00:42:22.130
Honestly, this is what it takes to get to Wemby
00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:26.469
by himself. Yeah. Exactly. Which is nuts. We'll
00:42:26.469 --> 00:42:30.289
talk about the Spurs later, but nuts. But I'm
00:42:30.289 --> 00:42:32.349
going to go over for that reason. I'm going to
00:42:32.349 --> 00:42:35.110
lock the over, actually, on the Cleveland Cavaliers.
00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:38.369
I'm going to use my first lock of the day. And
00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:41.090
you are going under. Is that just a normal under?
00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:44.489
Yes, I'm not a lock the under. I'm a hater, but
00:42:44.489 --> 00:42:47.909
I have a lock. Well, I guess I don't know exactly
00:42:47.909 --> 00:42:50.090
what the line is, but I've got a team that's
00:42:50.090 --> 00:42:53.960
rustling my giblets. Oh, on a different team,
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.880
a line for a different team. Yes. Okay. I thought
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.320
I was going to say, I thought I said the line.
00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:59.960
No, I don't know the line for the other team
00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.880
in the central division that I'm emotional about.
00:43:01.940 --> 00:43:05.000
But yeah, 47 and a half wins is the Cleveland
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.880
line, which my line that I made was 50 and a
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.079
half, which I was actually, I felt like that
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:10.920
was a little low, to be honest, my line. Oh,
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.800
wow. But yeah, so that's what I'm going to go
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.360
with. There's not like new news in the Cavs world
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.429
of an injury or something, right? Not that I
00:43:19.429 --> 00:43:22.090
know of. to be honest, but I also do not see
00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:25.059
anything that has appeared. Yeah, not that I
00:43:25.059 --> 00:43:27.219
can think of. Jalen Tyson is going to be huge
00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:28.880
off the bench for them this season. He's going
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.519
to be a swing factor. Mario Hazonia is back in
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.559
the NBA. He's wearing a Cavs jersey, which is
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.960
pretty big. But anyways, yeah, those are our
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.440
picks for the Cavs. We need to move on now to
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.699
the Trip Pistons, who they just won, you know,
00:43:41.739 --> 00:43:44.920
obviously 60 games last year with the best record
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.500
in the Eastern Conference, smashing their preseason
00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:51.659
line of 45 and a half wins. So this year with
00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:55.219
FanDuel, they have them at 48 and a half because,
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.940
you know, they did look like a pretty flawed
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:59.460
one seed once they got to the postseason, which
00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:01.420
many people were expecting because, you know,
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.260
the whole shot creation responsibility was laid
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:07.860
on the shoulders of one kid Cunningham. And then
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.260
Tobias Harris on nights that he decided to look
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:12.739
like Bernard King for some reason in the playoffs.
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.679
And then now, obviously, the vibes being a little
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.250
shaky with. Jalen Dern having his whole restricted
00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:22.550
free agency saga that lasted all the way till
00:44:22.550 --> 00:44:26.389
October 1st, which I think is a new record. Also,
00:44:26.389 --> 00:44:29.210
my favorite is like I saw somebody that said,
00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:34.550
imagine being a playoff instead of a razor, like
00:44:34.550 --> 00:44:38.210
a playoff dropper and only averaging 12 points
00:44:38.210 --> 00:44:40.630
and 10 rebounds in the regular season and freaking
00:44:40.630 --> 00:44:43.670
out. You're not getting $50 million or whatever
00:44:43.670 --> 00:44:47.300
his number is in the postseason. Just rough.
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.219
I can't remember the exact name, but it was pretty
00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:51.880
funny. He was like 10 and 9, I think is what
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.659
he averaged in the postseason. In the regular
00:44:53.659 --> 00:44:55.679
season, he was like 20 and 12. That's what it
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.579
was. Imagine being a dropper to this stat line
00:44:59.579 --> 00:45:01.780
and being confused by a team that doesn't want
00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:05.480
to give you longevity and $40 million a year.
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.800
Yeah, that's crazy. But he got it. He has it.
00:45:10.170 --> 00:45:12.849
He definitely did. Does Jalen Duren feel like
00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:16.250
he's worth $45 million across five, like $9 million
00:45:16.250 --> 00:45:20.670
more a year than a Sar Thompson? I don't think
00:45:20.670 --> 00:45:24.349
that's crazy. I think the, honestly, I'm betting
00:45:24.349 --> 00:45:27.010
on that playoffs being a little bit of a, just
00:45:27.010 --> 00:45:29.809
a weird fluke. I mean, it's, he's only 22 years
00:45:29.809 --> 00:45:33.630
old. Also the team they lost to, I mean, it was
00:45:33.630 --> 00:45:36.949
the semis, but like the calves of all the teams
00:45:36.949 --> 00:45:41.150
to say, Hey, Jalen Duren, screw you guy. we're
00:45:41.150 --> 00:45:43.070
just going to always have a body that's equal
00:45:43.070 --> 00:45:45.449
to your size on you at all times. And Orlando,
00:45:45.449 --> 00:45:48.409
for that matter, is also huge. No, there was
00:45:48.409 --> 00:45:51.409
no... He did not have any opportunities to feast.
00:45:51.829 --> 00:45:54.010
But I love what they did in the offseason. This
00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:56.710
is not the team that I've got true, genuine soul
00:45:56.710 --> 00:46:00.650
feelings for, but they brought in... You like
00:46:00.650 --> 00:46:02.329
Detroit's offseason? Yeah, they brought in Isaiah
00:46:02.329 --> 00:46:05.389
Joe. Yep. Brought in Gary Harris. They had to
00:46:05.389 --> 00:46:07.469
give up Isaiah Stewart to do so, which was a
00:46:07.469 --> 00:46:10.099
bummer. They did lose B -Stew. Yeah. And then
00:46:10.099 --> 00:46:12.719
apparently because of the beef, no pun intended,
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.219
between he and Jalen Dern, I knew that there
00:46:15.219 --> 00:46:17.139
was like beef between him and the coaching staff
00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:19.619
during the playoffs. What I didn't realize was
00:46:19.619 --> 00:46:21.639
apparently that was a beef between he and Jalen
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.559
Dern that was spilling over into the coaching
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.159
staff and the rest of the team because he was
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.780
like calling Jalen Dern soft during like for
00:46:29.780 --> 00:46:32.199
how he was like acting or holding his head, I
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.239
guess, during his playoff woes. Which, fine,
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.219
but Beef Stew needs to know his role. Like know
00:46:40.219 --> 00:46:43.639
what you are. And that's, that's essentially
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.139
like me being a shot put throw on a track team,
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.619
looking at like the four by one and saying, come
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.639
on guys, let's pick it up. Like, that's crazy.
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:55.219
We all have a job, but my job is not to run fast.
00:46:55.460 --> 00:46:58.400
Your job, Isaiah Stewart is not to critique the
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.699
guy. That's just better than you. At what you
00:47:00.699 --> 00:47:02.820
do, except for fist fighting people. Anyway,
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.000
I love Beast Dude. That's the closest thing you'll
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.980
get from me to slander on his name. But Jalen
00:47:08.980 --> 00:47:10.940
Dern's back. Sart Thompson's back. Long -term
00:47:10.940 --> 00:47:18.579
stuff. John Collins. John Collins. Yeah. I think
00:47:18.579 --> 00:47:21.820
they did a lot of things to not remove, but the
00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:25.219
huge one for me is Isaiah Joe. Because he's a
00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:27.880
name that I think because of his situation is
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.320
not as like... respected yeah pretty buried this
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.539
is i feel like this could be a dollar store version
00:47:35.539 --> 00:47:41.010
of when pause dollar store like very budget version
00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:44.889
of when um jalen brunson left dallas like he
00:47:44.889 --> 00:47:47.070
will just get to a new opportunity and be like
00:47:47.070 --> 00:47:50.869
oh wait this guy's actually like really good
00:47:50.869 --> 00:47:54.260
at basketball he just was playing behind The
00:47:54.260 --> 00:47:57.199
insanity of the world at basketball. Yeah, maybe
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.019
like more along the Colin Gillespie level, going
00:48:00.019 --> 00:48:03.320
from Denver to Phoenix last year, becoming like
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.539
a starting point guard that was averaging like
00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:07.760
13, 14 points a game. I didn't know that he did
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.360
that because I paid no attention last year at
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.260
all. Oh, yeah. He had a breakout year last year.
00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:14.719
That's really cool. So, yes, I tried to see something
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.000
less than Walmart, so I did the dollar store.
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.389
Yeah. The lowest version, he will not be an insane
00:48:20.389 --> 00:48:23.989
all -star likely, but it will relieve some offensive
00:48:23.989 --> 00:48:31.340
pressure, hopefully, from Oklahoma State Cowboy.
00:48:31.659 --> 00:48:37.139
Okay. Tate Cunningham. Yeah. And then also maybe
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:40.320
one of the Asar Thompsons has to figure out how
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.000
to play offense, right? They have to. One of
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.019
the Assar Thompsons. One of the Thompson twins.
00:48:45.019 --> 00:48:48.260
One of the Thompson twins. Has to figure out
00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:51.179
how to play offense eventually. Yeah. I mean,
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:52.800
Amand is actually a pretty good offensive player.
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:55.579
He just can't shoot whatsoever. But, like, other
00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:57.219
than that, he's really good at getting into the
00:48:57.219 --> 00:49:00.139
lane, using his shoulder, and finishing around
00:49:00.139 --> 00:49:02.400
the rim. He's got to be a floater. I think they
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.780
did the right things. They saw the owies they
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.679
had as a team in the playoffs, and they went
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.800
and got the proper Band -Aids. within a budget
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.519
to keep things in a cohesive thing. That was
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.500
way longer than it needed to be for my description
00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:21.800
of the Pistons. I'm a big fan. I came full circle.
00:49:21.980 --> 00:49:26.360
I was so down on the Pistons for a mini season,
00:49:26.619 --> 00:49:31.539
and I'm optimistic. Rightfully so, yeah. Like
00:49:31.539 --> 00:49:33.099
that things will be better, so I'm going over.
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.420
Okay, over on 48 .5, which I think is an easy
00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:39.159
over for me as well. Honestly, a lock candidate
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.980
for me. 48 .5 just feels low. I'll keep it as
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:45.880
just a normal over for now. I'll just mark down
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.280
that I would like to maybe lock. But other than
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.960
that, shout out to Asar Thompson. I don't know
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.320
if you saw the GM survey that recently came out,
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.300
but he was the only player in the NBA that received
00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:01.599
a vote as the best defender in the league other
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.139
than Victor Winbyama, which is only because...
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.840
the GMs are not allowed to vote for players on
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.360
their own team. So he got, so he got the, the
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:14.119
vote from Greg Popovich, I guess. I don't know
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.300
if he's doing that. He's, I think he's the president.
00:50:16.300 --> 00:50:18.400
Who would be doing that? I don't know if they
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.000
have like interns fill out the GM survey. Honestly,
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.260
sometimes those GM surveys feel like it is an
00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:27.619
intern. Yeah, honestly, but you know, it could
00:50:27.619 --> 00:50:30.000
be any, any of the, any of the above. I think
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.500
RC Buford is like the technical general manager,
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.579
but then, Greg Popovich is the president of basketball
00:50:36.579 --> 00:50:39.380
ops. But anyways, moving on to the next team.
00:50:39.820 --> 00:50:44.480
Brian Wright. R .C. Buford is the CEO. Oh, CEO.
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:50.349
So Brian Wright, big fan of Vassar. Of Vassar
00:50:50.349 --> 00:50:53.630
Thompson, yeah. Nice. Count me in a list with
00:50:53.630 --> 00:51:03.690
that guy. And now we're on to the Milwaukee Bucks
00:51:03.690 --> 00:51:06.809
who, you know, this is a bit of a fall from grace
00:51:06.809 --> 00:51:10.510
for sure that they're experiencing. They don't
00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:13.210
have their own picks, but also the draft lottery
00:51:13.210 --> 00:51:15.409
rules change. So there's no reason for them to
00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:18.190
tank anyways. But they definitely made a trade
00:51:18.190 --> 00:51:20.670
that would in previous years indicate that they
00:51:20.670 --> 00:51:23.969
were about to just fully commit to a tank and
00:51:23.969 --> 00:51:27.530
suck. Yeah. Tyler Hero. He's making a homecoming.
00:51:27.570 --> 00:51:30.949
I guess that's a nice, fun story. World -renowned,
00:51:30.949 --> 00:51:34.130
loved guy from Milwaukee, Tyler Hero. Yeah, exactly.
00:51:34.329 --> 00:51:36.650
Definitely didn't do anything to upset the people
00:51:36.650 --> 00:51:39.309
of Wisconsin at any point in his high school
00:51:39.309 --> 00:51:41.449
and early college career. Yeah, he definitely
00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:45.230
hasn't been routinely booed in Pfizer form when
00:51:45.230 --> 00:51:48.670
he's there visiting on the road in games. Backstory,
00:51:48.809 --> 00:51:51.409
decommitted from Wisconsin and flipped to Kentucky
00:51:51.409 --> 00:51:55.039
and then doesn't really go back. End of backstory.
00:51:55.820 --> 00:51:58.480
What is the line for the Bucs? I'm curious. The
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:03.340
Bucs' line this year is 24 .5 wins, which is
00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:07.219
low. Low? Like, that feels like, I get they lost.
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.059
I feel like it's people's delusion the same.
00:52:09.099 --> 00:52:13.869
Like, yeah, they lost Giannis, but, like, it's
00:52:13.869 --> 00:52:15.670
a team. You know what I mean? Yeah, they've got
00:52:15.670 --> 00:52:19.210
players, yeah. I mean, Tyler Heroes, he can be,
00:52:19.269 --> 00:52:21.570
like, the leading scorer on a team that wins
00:52:21.570 --> 00:52:27.420
30, 35 games. Yeah. For sure. Jaime Jaquez is
00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:31.079
there as a... Man of the pod. Yeah, runner -up
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.019
for six -man -a -year last year. Kahlil Ware
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:38.019
and Miles Turner. Jaku. Jakuchonis. Jakuchonis,
00:52:38.019 --> 00:52:41.219
yeah. Jakuchonis. Yeah, do they call him Jaku?
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.079
I thought that's what Illinois people call him.
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.119
He's an Illini guy, right? Yeah, he was, yeah.
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.940
Because they dispersed us when we had that magical
00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:51.219
year. Almost won the Big Ten tournament. You
00:52:51.219 --> 00:52:54.019
remember that? Two years ago? No. Nebraska basketball.
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.159
Oh, yeah, actually with Terrence Shannon Jr.
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.280
Wasn't that when he was there? No, no, no, no.
00:52:59.300 --> 00:53:03.579
This was much more. This was KSA and, oh, sorry.
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:05.639
Yes, I was looking at the wrong side because
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.000
I was thinking of, doesn't matter. Yes, you are
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.019
correct. It was like Coleman Williams. Texas
00:53:11.019 --> 00:53:14.659
A &M is also. I felt like that's what you were
00:53:14.659 --> 00:53:16.320
describing there. That was a tournament game.
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:20.480
Yeah, that was the March Madness game. Yep. Mm
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.690
-hmm. Mm -hmm. Obviously, don't want to bring
00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:28.989
that up. But yeah, the Bucks team, I guess other
00:53:28.989 --> 00:53:30.889
than that, I mean, I think they just have some
00:53:30.889 --> 00:53:32.710
guys that they're going to probably flip for
00:53:32.710 --> 00:53:35.349
future assets. And then some young guys they're
00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:36.710
going to try to develop. Most of them that they
00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:39.309
got in the trade and got in the draft this year
00:53:39.309 --> 00:53:41.929
with Braden Burries and then Nate Ament. Usman
00:53:41.929 --> 00:53:45.730
Jang is a guy that, similar to Isaiah Joe, was
00:53:45.730 --> 00:53:48.409
buried in OKC and now has shown some flashes
00:53:48.409 --> 00:53:50.829
since he's left a little bit. Kind of intriguing.
00:53:50.949 --> 00:53:53.510
I'm still only 23 years old. So we'll see what
00:53:53.510 --> 00:53:55.230
happens there. But yeah, this is not going to
00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:57.409
be like a great team to watch. That's for sure.
00:53:57.769 --> 00:54:01.010
I only gave them one more win. And my line, my
00:54:01.010 --> 00:54:03.449
line was at 25 and a half. So I'll probably just
00:54:03.449 --> 00:54:06.429
be like barely in over on this team. You look
00:54:06.429 --> 00:54:09.130
like you had something to say. I feel like of
00:54:09.130 --> 00:54:12.969
all the bad teams in the NBA, they have players
00:54:12.969 --> 00:54:17.340
that aren't bad. I feel like of all the teams,
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.159
if all the bad teams are trying to win basketball
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.719
games, which they are now more incentivized to
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.900
do because of the tanking rules, I feel like
00:54:25.900 --> 00:54:29.059
this would be the team of the bad teams that
00:54:29.059 --> 00:54:35.730
would become the top of that lower echelon. Also
00:54:35.730 --> 00:54:38.030
got Taylor Jenkins as the head coach now. Which,
00:54:38.130 --> 00:54:42.880
big fan. Yeah, returning to, he was an assistant
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.719
there on Bud's staff back like 10 years ago at
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.260
this point. Before he went on his side quest
00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:51.539
in Memphis, and now he's back. Yeah, that's true.
00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:54.460
Where he almost developed a great young culture.
00:54:54.980 --> 00:54:57.539
The culture itself actually didn't end up being
00:54:57.539 --> 00:55:00.360
all that great, it seems. But it was a good young
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.219
team for a number of years there. But yeah, it's
00:55:03.219 --> 00:55:05.619
also, how much of that is the coach, you think?
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.320
Yeah, I'm not going to blame Taylor Jenkins.
00:55:08.539 --> 00:55:10.519
Or is that just players having a proclivity for?
00:55:10.989 --> 00:55:13.090
showing off firearm purchases i don't know i
00:55:13.090 --> 00:55:15.730
think i think that's on jaw to be honest it feels
00:55:15.730 --> 00:55:19.630
like it um for sure where we had though was their
00:55:19.630 --> 00:55:22.269
line last year sorry and they went 32 so like
00:55:22.269 --> 00:55:24.289
well under and that was because of yannis trade
00:55:24.289 --> 00:55:27.469
stuff and uh his injury that kept him out but
00:55:27.469 --> 00:55:29.929
now we are on to i guess i didn't even make a
00:55:29.929 --> 00:55:31.989
full pick i'll just go over though slight over
00:55:31.989 --> 00:55:35.789
did you say anything for i also went over okay
00:55:35.789 --> 00:55:40.460
both overs on milwaukee chicago is the next Team
00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:42.900
we'll be looking at. One of the bigger markets
00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:46.440
in the NBA, but has been in an endless rebuilding
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.659
phase. Kind of like a semi -rebuild. That's been
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:50.159
the problem. They haven't fully committed to
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.579
rebuild. In a weird way, they've been in a rebuild
00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:56.800
in their entire existence, except for when Michael
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:01.099
Jordan was there in 2008. Yeah, with D -Rose
00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:03.699
there for a few years. I guess it's not just
00:56:03.699 --> 00:56:06.599
2008, but like... 2011, I think, is where they
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:13.170
peaked his MVP year. And then, yeah, so I think
00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:15.030
that now they're finally starting to see some
00:56:15.030 --> 00:56:19.989
like exciting potential with this rebuild. And
00:56:19.989 --> 00:56:22.010
that's with, you know, Josh Giddey being there.
00:56:22.130 --> 00:56:25.389
But obviously, Caleb Wilson is now like the potential
00:56:25.389 --> 00:56:27.789
future cornerstone of this franchise, as he's
00:56:27.789 --> 00:56:30.769
shown to be, you know, looking like he's really
00:56:30.769 --> 00:56:32.409
going to pay off after getting picked with the
00:56:32.409 --> 00:56:34.309
I mean, he hasn't played an NBA game yet, but
00:56:34.309 --> 00:56:37.469
in the summer league in the preseason. Just really
00:56:37.469 --> 00:56:41.590
looks like a real dude. Okay, ready to go. There
00:56:41.590 --> 00:56:44.590
will be minimal bumps and bruises. Every rookie
00:56:44.590 --> 00:56:48.030
has them, but he seems... I'm curious if rookie
00:56:48.030 --> 00:56:50.900
of the year lines have moved with how good he's
00:56:50.900 --> 00:56:53.199
looked in the preseason. Again, it's preseason,
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.420
so probably not, but he looks comfortable, and
00:56:56.420 --> 00:56:58.920
I think obviously he's going to have a major
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.960
role. Yeah, I think it's going to be either him
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:04.820
or Cam Boozer, who would be the favorite at this
00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:08.170
point. And those, yeah, I think that's a pretty
00:57:08.170 --> 00:57:11.349
good, they have a lot of reason to be believed
00:57:11.349 --> 00:57:14.389
in as, you know, the top two guys for that. But
00:57:14.389 --> 00:57:17.690
yeah, I think for, I also like Matas Bozelis
00:57:17.690 --> 00:57:21.730
a lot as another guy to highlight there in Chicago.
00:57:22.090 --> 00:57:24.269
But their line this year is 29 and a half wins.
00:57:24.570 --> 00:57:27.170
Their line last year was 31 and a half and they
00:57:27.170 --> 00:57:31.789
barely squeaked under it with 31. And so my line
00:57:31.789 --> 00:57:33.949
that I made for them this year was 30 and a half.
00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:36.920
which is just one win above what FanDuel has.
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:41.440
So, again, this is another one. I feel like I'm
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.400
just squeaking over all of the lines here in
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.980
the Central Division. But if I'm going to follow
00:57:46.980 --> 00:57:51.320
my head, my logic, then I should do an over on
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:55.940
this one as well. But what do you think? I don't
00:57:55.980 --> 00:58:02.070
know. 29 .5. Only need 30 wins. Because I feel
00:58:02.070 --> 00:58:06.070
good about them as a bad team. But the emphasis,
00:58:06.210 --> 00:58:10.530
like, it's on as a bad team. Yeah. I think they'll
00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:14.860
be fun. Mm -hmm. I do, too. Not that that means
00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:17.960
much of anything, but... They also got Nick Claxton
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.159
now. I think they got the deadline last year,
00:58:20.179 --> 00:58:21.940
but I don't know if he played all that much afterwards.
00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:25.500
But, you know, a rim protector. Buddy Heald.
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.260
Buddy Heald and Norm Powell. Yeah, flamethrowers.
00:58:29.409 --> 00:58:32.900
So... Kind of just toys for Giddy to play with.
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.159
That came out way too bad. That came out wrong,
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:40.760
considering his past. But, you know, we'll just
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:47.119
slide right over that one. Continue. We've been
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:49.920
in lockstep, and I feel like not doing that anymore.
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.300
So I'm going to go stay away. Okay, stay away
00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:57.860
for Jacob on the bulls. Now I'll just lean over.
00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:01.460
For now. And then we are moving on now to the
00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:03.599
final team in the Central Division. That is the
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.539
Indiana Pacers, who are back, baby. Better than
00:59:07.539 --> 00:59:11.239
ever, maybe. We'll see. But Tyrese Halliburton
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:15.159
looks really, really solid in the preseason,
00:59:15.219 --> 00:59:18.719
for what that's worth. And they added Ivica Zubats,
00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.239
who I would say personally is an upgrade over
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.260
Myles Turner. Other people have concerns because
00:59:24.260 --> 00:59:26.860
of the fit there with Myles Turner kind of...
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.300
providing an interesting dynamic there being
00:59:29.300 --> 00:59:32.840
a spacing big who can pop out for three, kind
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.679
of opening up everything for a five -out lineup,
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.199
allowing Pascal Siakam to kind of be more of
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.500
the guy who pressures the rim. And so in this
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:42.800
iteration, Pascal Siakam will have to space more
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.320
in the corners and stuff like that, which I think
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.170
he's still very capable of doing. And Ivica Zubats
00:59:48.170 --> 00:59:50.869
just adds more wrinkles of like, you know, passing
00:59:50.869 --> 00:59:53.829
from the short roll. And he's a much better rebounder.
00:59:53.849 --> 00:59:55.969
Literally gets like double the boards per game
00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:58.329
as Myles Turner. He just also looked a little
00:59:58.329 --> 01:00:01.150
off after the trade. He didn't look like the
01:00:01.150 --> 01:00:03.750
fullest version of him. Yeah. And I know that
01:00:03.750 --> 01:00:06.230
people have brought that up as well. What is
01:00:06.230 --> 01:00:09.670
the line? The line is 44 and a half wins from
01:00:09.670 --> 01:00:13.670
FanDuel. My line is 45 and a half. Uh, line last
01:00:13.670 --> 01:00:15.889
year was 37 and a half, obviously with the gap
01:00:15.889 --> 01:00:18.630
year, they only won 19 though, which I will take
01:00:18.630 --> 01:00:20.710
the victory lap on that. My line last year was
01:00:20.710 --> 01:00:22.590
all the way down at 31 and a half. That was the
01:00:22.590 --> 01:00:25.289
biggest gap that I had between the sports books
01:00:25.289 --> 01:00:28.989
and myself. Um, and that turned, I turned out
01:00:28.989 --> 01:00:31.809
to be much closer at least, but yeah, 19 wins
01:00:31.809 --> 01:00:33.630
is what they had last year, but having Tyrese
01:00:33.630 --> 01:00:35.510
Halliburton back, I think pairing him with Evita
01:00:35.510 --> 01:00:38.710
Zubats also will, uh, be a difference maker there
01:00:38.710 --> 01:00:41.630
as well. Uh, obviously as one of the best offensive,
01:00:42.190 --> 01:00:45.929
players in the game currently. It really all
01:00:45.929 --> 01:00:48.070
just comes down to the health of Halliburton,
01:00:48.130 --> 01:00:49.730
whether or not he's going to be able to come
01:00:49.730 --> 01:00:52.369
back at full stride. And honestly, he kind of
01:00:52.369 --> 01:00:54.989
has routinely been a bit of a slow starter to
01:00:54.989 --> 01:00:58.329
the season in years past. So that's why I don't
01:00:58.329 --> 01:01:00.289
feel great about them as a regular season team.
01:01:00.550 --> 01:01:02.190
That's why my line is all the way down at 45
01:01:02.190 --> 01:01:04.769
and a half compared to where I think, honestly,
01:01:05.010 --> 01:01:06.829
they might be like my dark horse pick to win
01:01:06.829 --> 01:01:09.730
the East. if i'm being honest this was the team
01:01:09.730 --> 01:01:11.809
that i had magical feelings in my soul about
01:01:11.809 --> 01:01:17.050
um sans nicola jokic maybe the greatest like
01:01:17.050 --> 01:01:20.869
floor raiser of players around him ever good
01:01:20.869 --> 01:01:25.510
call like quite literally in nba history like
01:01:25.510 --> 01:01:28.010
there's other guys obviously there is but haliburton
01:01:28.010 --> 01:01:32.329
does it to an insane degree um I was hoping it'd
01:01:32.329 --> 01:01:35.750
be more like 42 or 43 and a half. It was before.
01:01:35.949 --> 01:01:38.030
I think it moved up, to be honest. Makes me want
01:01:38.030 --> 01:01:39.670
to not lock the over, but I'm going to do it
01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:43.110
anyway because I have the same high -end hopes
01:01:43.110 --> 01:01:45.409
that this is the team that could win the East
01:01:45.409 --> 01:01:53.010
because of the, yeah, I just, they essentially
01:01:53.010 --> 01:01:58.000
have the exact same team they had, except you
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:03.369
replaced Miles Turner with the wall. of Zubat
01:02:03.369 --> 01:02:06.869
and he's my, he's my guy. And honestly, in their
01:02:06.869 --> 01:02:09.570
title run, the Pacers title run going all the
01:02:09.570 --> 01:02:12.750
way to the pinnacle game seven against the Thunder
01:02:12.750 --> 01:02:16.070
and the finals, they, I mean, they weren't really
01:02:16.070 --> 01:02:18.329
guarding. Nobody was really guarding Miles Turner
01:02:18.329 --> 01:02:20.610
out there. He wasn't making his threes. He like
01:02:20.610 --> 01:02:23.190
in, in essence, he wasn't being a stretch five.
01:02:23.610 --> 01:02:26.170
So like, it's not like they were, they really
01:02:26.170 --> 01:02:29.619
need that dynamic to be a successful team. And
01:02:29.619 --> 01:02:31.900
if he's a zoo bots, just gives you so much more
01:02:31.900 --> 01:02:34.300
in other areas than, uh, and now they have motion
01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:37.039
because they have Kelly motion. Oh, that's motion.
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.960
Now they do have Uber, a tsunami poppy. The one
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.940
in the, like motion as in like, uh, you don't
01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:46.760
talk about like motion. Yeah, no, I don't know
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.380
if you're on the slang. Absolutely. Like I am.
01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:52.280
I'm pretty hip on the slang. Uh, I'm watching
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.639
my over. Well, what is your choice for the Pacers
01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:00.699
pick? I'm just going to go normal over, save
01:03:00.699 --> 01:03:03.639
some locks, but they would be a potential candidate
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.619
for a lock, but it's just like the uncertainty
01:03:05.619 --> 01:03:08.079
with the health and stuff like that that I don't
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.880
feel great about it. So that'll be it for the
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.460
Central Division, though. What do you have to
01:03:12.460 --> 01:03:14.500
say? I will quickly recap the Central Division.
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.900
Go ahead. Cavs line was 47 .5. I went under.
01:03:17.980 --> 01:03:21.360
Logan went over. Pistons, 48 .5. Both of us chose
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.900
to go regular over. Alongside the Bucs, we made
01:03:23.900 --> 01:03:26.119
the same decision, but their line is way down
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.380
at 24 .5. because they lost Giannis, obviously.
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:33.400
The Bulls, 29 and a half, I'm staying away. Logan
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.280
is going over, leaning slightly. And the Pacers,
01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:39.380
44 and a half, I'm a hard over, with Logan being
01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:42.420
a regular over. And that will wrap up the Central
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.719
Division. When we come back, we'll get a look
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.059
at the final division in the Eastern Conference,
01:03:47.420 --> 01:03:50.139
arguably the worst. It's not really arguably,
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:59.579
it's just the worst. All right, welcome back
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:01.619
to the Hoop Theory podcast, continuing going
01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:04.320
through our preseason over underlines and picking
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.780
which direction we want to go for these teams
01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:10.139
head to head. And I don't think we ever mentioned,
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:12.360
actually, I'm just remembering to do this now,
01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:17.280
that the rules for this. So we pick over or under.
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.500
We get one point for each one that we get right.
01:04:19.579 --> 01:04:23.239
We lose a point if we get it wrong. We get three
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:27.059
locks per conference, and a lock makes that pick
01:04:27.059 --> 01:04:29.920
worth three points. So plus three if you get
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.619
it right, minus three if you get it wrong. And
01:04:32.619 --> 01:04:34.719
then a stay away, you get three of those also
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.420
per conference. And those just make the pick
01:04:37.420 --> 01:04:40.400
worth zero because you're just not as confident
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.280
about those picks. And so those are the rules.
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.599
We are through the Atlantic and the Central.
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.960
I've only used one lock so far. That's on Cleveland's
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.420
over. And Jacob has used two locks, both on overs
01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:56.780
for Boston and Indiana. Now we're on to the Southeast
01:04:56.780 --> 01:05:00.460
division. um, in the final division in the Easter
01:05:00.460 --> 01:05:03.480
conference with the Orlando magic as the first
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.300
team we'll look at here. Um, their line last
01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:09.079
year was all the way up at 50 and a half, which
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.760
was high. Even at the time, it felt a little
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.639
bit much. Um, they ended up winning 45 and it
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:17.739
felt like a very disappointing season, even though
01:05:17.739 --> 01:05:20.480
they were only, you know, five games, six games
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.059
below they're over. Um, and you know, Franz Wagner
01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:27.039
only played like 30 games that year. Uh, Palo
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:29.670
Banquero, Wasn't super healthy at the beginning.
01:05:29.909 --> 01:05:33.090
And then Jalen Suggs also had another year of
01:05:33.090 --> 01:05:36.610
very spotty availability. And then when they
01:05:36.610 --> 01:05:38.789
got to the postseason, Franz Wagner went out,
01:05:38.829 --> 01:05:40.590
I think, in one of the first two games. And so
01:05:40.590 --> 01:05:42.010
they were without him the rest of the way. And
01:05:42.010 --> 01:05:45.150
they still were able to push that series. They
01:05:45.150 --> 01:05:48.449
went up 3 -1 against the Pistons, the 60 win,
01:05:48.610 --> 01:05:52.230
one seed, but ended up losing in seven and only
01:05:52.230 --> 01:05:54.610
scored, I believe, 18 points in the whole second
01:05:54.610 --> 01:05:57.090
half of game seven. no that was two that was
01:05:57.090 --> 01:05:59.730
two teams that don't know how to that offensively
01:05:59.730 --> 01:06:03.670
just it was rough yeah it was a rock fight for
01:06:03.670 --> 01:06:06.940
sure it's the fifth letter of the alphabet that's
01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:10.420
true but their line this year is 43 and a half
01:06:10.420 --> 01:06:13.989
wins so quite a bit lower I think the vibes are
01:06:13.989 --> 01:06:16.369
pretty off with them as well with just their
01:06:16.369 --> 01:06:19.969
supreme lack of spacing one of the worst you
01:06:19.969 --> 01:06:23.610
know shooting teams of the modern era to be honest
01:06:23.610 --> 01:06:27.130
and But they got a new head coach in there, and
01:06:27.130 --> 01:06:30.130
Sean Sweeney, the assistant out of San Antonio,
01:06:30.269 --> 01:06:33.309
who was with Dallas before that. He's a defensive
01:06:33.309 --> 01:06:36.230
-minded guy. And this is a great defensive roster,
01:06:36.469 --> 01:06:40.190
so he's got definitely things to work with there.
01:06:40.389 --> 01:06:43.010
But as far as the offense goes, they're definitely
01:06:43.010 --> 01:06:45.570
going to need some more clear direction, some
01:06:45.570 --> 01:06:47.889
more guys stepping up and hitting shots, and
01:06:47.889 --> 01:06:50.210
people who are spacing the floor. Desmond Bain
01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:53.190
is the main guy to do that for them. As far as...
01:06:53.550 --> 01:06:56.289
additions to the roster um i guess i don't have
01:06:56.289 --> 01:06:58.349
any notes on this but i can't think of anything
01:06:58.349 --> 01:07:02.429
major um that the magic did it feels like they're
01:07:02.429 --> 01:07:05.170
kind of just running back their same core their
01:07:05.170 --> 01:07:07.769
same team that they had last year no there's
01:07:07.769 --> 01:07:14.670
changes it's uh no it's only mo wagner left oh
01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:18.170
yeah mo wagner okay so i guess isaiah nelson
01:07:18.170 --> 01:07:20.869
was drafted but likely not to be a contributor
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.840
Yeah. There were a lot of Isaiahs in this draft.
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.059
Jonathan Isaac. He's still there. Yeah. Oh, the
01:07:28.059 --> 01:07:32.489
homecoming. Oh, yeah. Nikola Vucevic. Vucevic
01:07:32.489 --> 01:07:36.230
is back. Yeah. That's that's going to be a fun
01:07:36.230 --> 01:07:38.909
like he's replacing Mo Wagner for sure as like
01:07:38.909 --> 01:07:41.110
the one of the backup bigs, which they have.
01:07:41.130 --> 01:07:42.510
They're pretty deep in the big spot because they
01:07:42.510 --> 01:07:45.690
also got Goga Batadze backing up Wendell Carter
01:07:45.690 --> 01:07:50.190
Jr. And yeah, so I just feel like 43 and a half
01:07:50.190 --> 01:07:52.090
wins. This is another line that I feel like is
01:07:52.090 --> 01:07:54.010
a little low. My line that I have for them is
01:07:54.010 --> 01:07:57.820
45 and a half. And so, yeah, I feel like just
01:07:57.820 --> 01:08:00.260
looking ahead, the whole rest of the East, I
01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:01.760
feel like I'm going over on, which is weird,
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.860
but this is going to be tough for sure. They're
01:08:05.860 --> 01:08:07.960
definitely going to have to answer some of those
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.639
concerns with the shooting in order to hit this
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:15.260
over. But I feel confident enough in just getting
01:08:15.260 --> 01:08:18.289
a coaching change. Because, like, Jamal Mosley
01:08:18.289 --> 01:08:21.029
was pretty rough, I feel like, his performance,
01:08:21.149 --> 01:08:24.130
especially towards the end. I think Sean Sweeney
01:08:24.130 --> 01:08:26.409
just seemed like a guy who could come in and
01:08:26.409 --> 01:08:29.510
be successful right away. So I'm going to go
01:08:29.510 --> 01:08:33.390
over. What are you feeling? I am also an over,
01:08:33.449 --> 01:08:36.369
almost exclusively based on the vibe shift from
01:08:36.369 --> 01:08:40.000
the coaching change. Because I think that will
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:45.029
be beneficial for all. For all. Yes, absolutely.
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:48.479
So that will be our picks on Orlando. Both of
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.560
us are going over. Nothing like a lock or anything,
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.699
at least right now. Now we're on to the Atlanta
01:08:54.699 --> 01:08:57.119
Hawks as the next team in the Southeast Division.
01:08:57.659 --> 01:09:02.239
And they have the same exact line at 43 .5 from
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.180
FanDuel. And I have the same exact line for them
01:09:05.180 --> 01:09:08.020
as I did for Orlando, which was 45 .5. So similar
01:09:08.020 --> 01:09:12.699
thing here. Last year, their line was 46 .5 back
01:09:12.699 --> 01:09:15.649
when they still had Trey Young. They were just
01:09:15.649 --> 01:09:18.390
barely under that with 46 wins right on the dot.
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.000
So heading into this year, you know, Jalen Johnson
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.479
had the ascension that he made last year as the
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:28.960
main guy heading into this one. And, you know,
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.060
CJ McCollum took it to a whole new level last
01:09:32.060 --> 01:09:35.199
year in the playoffs as like a 35, 36 year old
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.279
or whatever he is at this point. They brought
01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.260
him back on a pretty team friendly deal. And
01:09:40.260 --> 01:09:42.909
then Nikhil Alexander Walker. Another guy, I
01:09:42.909 --> 01:09:44.670
think he actually did win Most Improved Player.
01:09:45.149 --> 01:09:47.390
He was the winner of that award last year, but
01:09:47.390 --> 01:09:49.770
he and his teammate, Jalen Johnson, were both
01:09:49.770 --> 01:09:53.010
candidates. Then they've got Dyson Daniels. They
01:09:53.010 --> 01:09:57.170
just got Lou Dort to add into that. You know,
01:09:57.189 --> 01:10:00.369
Onyeka Okongwu. So they've got a pretty solid
01:10:00.369 --> 01:10:03.430
squad there, to be honest, in Atlanta. I think
01:10:03.430 --> 01:10:05.909
that they're going to be better than Vegas thinks.
01:10:06.090 --> 01:10:09.149
So I'm feeling the over once again on this one,
01:10:09.229 --> 01:10:13.649
to be quite honest. What about you? What's the
01:10:13.649 --> 01:10:17.750
line? 43 and a half. Same as Orlando. I'm going
01:10:17.750 --> 01:10:21.640
to go under. Okay, that's fair. They're going
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.399
to have also maybe a little bit of shooting concerns,
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.840
not even close to as much as Orlando with having
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:32.760
CJ McCollum and Nah in there. Both guys can space
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:38.520
the floor. I don't know. I don't feel good about
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:42.159
it. No, I just don't like it. I just don't like
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:46.680
it. McCollum's getting old, and I feel like he's
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:51.210
kind of vital to their ability to adapt in the
01:10:51.210 --> 01:10:53.409
half court. Yeah, we totally didn't mention their
01:10:53.409 --> 01:10:56.970
lottery pick, top six or seven pick in the draft,
01:10:57.130 --> 01:11:00.220
Kingston Fleming. Oh, I thought you were talking
01:11:00.220 --> 01:11:03.000
about Risa Shea. Oh, yeah, the number one pick
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.260
in the draft a few years ago. Yeah, for Lou Dort.
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.359
Kingston Fleming's. Kingston Fleming's, yeah,
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.039
their guard. I think he's probably going to be
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:13.579
starting at the point guard over CJ, I'm guessing.
01:11:14.109 --> 01:11:17.829
You would hope because CJ McCollum is like old
01:11:18.020 --> 01:11:23.100
and kind of a mythological object. The fact that
01:11:23.100 --> 01:11:25.319
he looked as good as he did two years ago or
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.199
last year. His last year against the Knicks.
01:11:27.260 --> 01:11:29.340
Yeah, he was being doubled in the postseason.
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.390
Which is just a crazy world. Yeah. Jeez Louise.
01:11:33.550 --> 01:11:35.970
Yeah, no, I'm going under. You're going to Scotian
01:11:35.970 --> 01:11:38.810
over? Mm -hmm. I'll Scotian over. I believe in
01:11:38.810 --> 01:11:42.430
Jalen Johnson mainly is the thing there as a
01:11:42.430 --> 01:11:45.100
guy who's just, he's like, He's just a basketball
01:11:45.100 --> 01:11:47.640
player. He's a, knows how to play the game really
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:51.159
smart. And he averaged like 24, 10 and eight
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:53.239
or something ridiculous like that last year.
01:11:53.380 --> 01:11:55.800
Like him, him and Jokic. He was like the closest
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:58.560
person to putting up Jokic numbers as anybody
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.819
last year, which is crazy to think about, but
01:12:01.819 --> 01:12:05.600
that will lead us to the next team and the Southeast
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.020
division. I'm going over on the Atlanta Hawks
01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:10.380
and Jacob's going under the next team is the
01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:14.779
Miami heat who definitely have some, Noteworthy
01:12:14.779 --> 01:12:17.079
additions and changes that they made, mainly
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.159
just the one, but also some ancillary pieces
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.420
as well that they added after the fact. But that
01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:25.460
one main one was Giannis Tedekupo moving his
01:12:25.460 --> 01:12:28.539
talents to South Beach, leaving Milwaukee for
01:12:28.539 --> 01:12:30.399
the first time in his career, wearing the number
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.659
seven, which is going to be really weird to me.
01:12:33.220 --> 01:12:34.920
It would take a while for me to get used to,
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:39.800
but... Very. Yeah. Him and Bam Adebayo, not the
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.529
most seamless of fits. On the offensive end,
01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:46.470
going to feel pretty clunky, I would say. I'm
01:12:46.470 --> 01:12:48.529
interested to see if they are going to be running
01:12:48.529 --> 01:12:50.989
a lot of, like, two -man action together, which
01:12:50.989 --> 01:12:52.949
would be weird to see. But, you know, some pick
01:12:52.949 --> 01:12:54.609
and roll between the two of them. Honestly, either
01:12:54.609 --> 01:12:57.170
of them can be the handler or the roller. That's,
01:12:57.170 --> 01:13:00.130
like, one of the rarest, like, examples of that.
01:13:00.170 --> 01:13:02.449
Probably the only one that's like that. Whereas
01:13:02.449 --> 01:13:06.270
the two guys are, they're both bigs who don't.
01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:08.319
They aren't great shooters, but both of them
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:10.619
can also be the roller and the handler in the
01:13:10.619 --> 01:13:14.020
pick and roll with one another. Defensively,
01:13:14.020 --> 01:13:15.479
though, they're going to be definitely something
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:19.619
to be dealt with. That's for sure. And they added
01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:22.060
some shooting around them in Clay Thompson and
01:13:22.060 --> 01:13:25.600
Tim Hardaway Jr. They gave Pele Larson a pretty
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:29.020
sizable, you know, mid -level contract to bring
01:13:29.020 --> 01:13:30.880
him back for, I think, like three or four years,
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.300
which a lot of people were surprised by with
01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:36.579
how little he's really like. Totally shown so
01:13:36.579 --> 01:13:39.840
far, but I think he'll be playing quite a bit
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.300
here after they traded away most of their depth
01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:46.920
to get Giannis. That's for sure. And then Davion
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:50.380
Mitchell, excuse me, Davion Mitchell, as one
01:13:50.380 --> 01:13:53.680
of the better 3 and D point guards in the NBA
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:57.039
is also going to be out there making things happen
01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:00.239
for him. So, I mean, I feel like this team is
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.380
going to be good. I don't know if they're quite
01:14:02.380 --> 01:14:05.590
like championship contender level good. I think
01:14:05.590 --> 01:14:08.229
there might be maybe like a smidge below that.
01:14:08.770 --> 01:14:10.970
But, you know, I could see it either way. It
01:14:10.970 --> 01:14:13.090
just feels like the offense is going to be a
01:14:13.090 --> 01:14:19.010
little tough. What are you thinking? Eric Spolster
01:14:19.010 --> 01:14:20.710
is going to figure this out. They have enough
01:14:20.710 --> 01:14:23.329
talent that Eric Spolster will do whatever the
01:14:23.329 --> 01:14:27.050
heck he does. And I'm going over on this one.
01:14:27.250 --> 01:14:29.550
I guess I didn't mention their line at 45 and
01:14:29.550 --> 01:14:31.529
a half is what Fandula. Didn't even need to know
01:14:31.529 --> 01:14:35.000
it. Just I feel good. Granted, I would have backtracked
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.979
if it was like 50 something, but no, 45 and a
01:14:37.979 --> 01:14:40.760
half. I'm most certainly going to rock it over
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:44.180
on that one. Yeah. Their line last year was 38
01:14:44.180 --> 01:14:47.319
and a half. They won 43, which, yeah, that was
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:51.619
a pretty good over that they hit there. And my
01:14:51.619 --> 01:14:54.479
line for them this year was just one win over
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:59.479
the FanDuel line at 46 and a half. Literally,
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:01.680
all these ones in a row, like for the past two
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:03.659
divisions now, it's just like I'm one or two
01:15:03.659 --> 01:15:07.300
wins above what the line is. And so, yeah, I'm
01:15:07.300 --> 01:15:08.859
going to have to join you on the over. Are you
01:15:08.859 --> 01:15:14.409
locking it? I'm not locking it. No, I'm not locking
01:15:14.409 --> 01:15:18.949
it. Okay. And now we're moving on to the first
01:15:18.949 --> 01:15:22.729
team that I think in this division, in the past
01:15:22.729 --> 01:15:24.369
two divisions, that I'm going to be an under
01:15:24.369 --> 01:15:27.000
on. But it'll just be barely. And I don't feel
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.279
good about it. I might even just change it to
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.199
a stay away, actually. But this is the Charlotte
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:36.060
Hornets. Their line this year is at 37 and a
01:15:36.060 --> 01:15:38.399
half, which is 10 wins above what their preseason
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:40.600
line was last year, where they came out and shocked
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:44.560
the world with a record of 44 and 38, which was
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.800
actually, you know, if you take out the beginning
01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:49.560
of the season where they were like a one of the
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:52.199
worst teams in the league. You know, they flipped
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:54.340
it around and were the best team in the Eastern
01:15:54.340 --> 01:15:58.140
Conference in terms of net rating in the calendar
01:15:58.140 --> 01:16:01.500
year of 2026, which is just insane. But yeah,
01:16:01.659 --> 01:16:04.779
they were just a well -oiled machine in the second
01:16:04.779 --> 01:16:06.840
half of the year with Con Canipple and LaMelo
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.590
Ball. Really spearheading that along with Brandon
01:16:10.590 --> 01:16:11.970
Miller. I think Brandon Miller is going to be
01:16:11.970 --> 01:16:14.350
my pick as the most improved player this year.
01:16:14.449 --> 01:16:16.350
I think he's the popular pick, but I think he's
01:16:16.350 --> 01:16:18.550
the right pick. To be honest, he'll just have
01:16:18.550 --> 01:16:20.310
all of the opportunity in the world to make this
01:16:20.310 --> 01:16:22.609
his team. Nas Reed, honestly, might be another
01:16:22.609 --> 01:16:24.689
candidate from MIP, and he's going to be a teammate
01:16:24.689 --> 01:16:26.770
of his coming into a new situation where he's
01:16:26.770 --> 01:16:29.689
going to be the actual starter at the four spot
01:16:29.689 --> 01:16:32.449
or five spot, depending on what they decide to
01:16:32.449 --> 01:16:35.720
do there. But yeah, I think this team will be
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.840
pretty good. But 37 and a half wins is when they,
01:16:39.859 --> 01:16:41.760
you know, don't really have like a pure point
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.180
guard anymore. Having Kobe White probably going
01:16:45.180 --> 01:16:48.840
to be the guy that's running that position. They
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.380
got Hannes Steinbach in the draft is like a glass
01:16:52.380 --> 01:16:56.319
cleaning big down there. But yeah, and then Con
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:57.939
Canipple, I think they're going to have to fill
01:16:57.939 --> 01:17:00.460
in for Lomelo as a playmaker by committee a little
01:17:00.460 --> 01:17:03.079
bit, which I think can happen because I think
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.000
Brandon Miller and Con Canipple are both pretty
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.279
good playmakers for not being point guards. And
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:11.520
Kobe White is like a combo guard who can playmake
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:13.199
a little bit, but that's not like his strength.
01:17:13.699 --> 01:17:16.119
So I think they can patch it together a little
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:19.960
bit, but I had them just one win below their
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:23.930
FanDuel line at 36 and a half. So I'm going to
01:17:23.930 --> 01:17:26.270
have to lean this slight under if I don't do
01:17:26.270 --> 01:17:28.970
stay away here. What are you thinking? I think
01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:33.640
I'm going to go over because I feel like what
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.680
they got out of the locker room while it was
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:40.500
all very good basketball at times, I feel like
01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:44.239
it could be a better locker room vibe. I don't
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.659
know how bad LaMelo is in the locker room, but
01:17:46.659 --> 01:17:49.159
I'd imagine the Miles Bridge is also not being
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:53.340
there anymore. Can't hurt anything in all likelihood.
01:17:53.659 --> 01:17:57.279
But, like, this is honestly more of a I mess
01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.760
with my boy Nas Reed heavy. And I'm riding it
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:03.859
until I can't. And Colin Knipple. You got two
01:18:03.859 --> 01:18:06.100
guys. Also another one of my guys. And Kobe White
01:18:06.100 --> 01:18:10.239
after I had to issue an apology for him. So I'm
01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:13.939
going to go over. But I think 37 .5 is a really
01:18:13.939 --> 01:18:18.750
good line. I think that's a. A play -in type
01:18:18.750 --> 01:18:22.729
of team similar to how they were last year, but
01:18:22.729 --> 01:18:24.649
maybe on a lower portion of the play. I think
01:18:24.649 --> 01:18:26.729
they were the 8th seed or the 9th seed. I know
01:18:26.729 --> 01:18:28.909
it was really close. Yeah, I think they were
01:18:28.909 --> 01:18:33.029
9, I want to say. Yeah, anyway, I will be going
01:18:33.029 --> 01:18:36.210
the over to go to your under. And the final team.
01:18:36.630 --> 01:18:40.010
The final team. How low is it? Washington Wizards.
01:18:40.050 --> 01:18:42.569
So I think these two teams, Charlotte and Washington,
01:18:42.789 --> 01:18:45.550
are the two teams that could... If Philly's like
01:18:45.550 --> 01:18:48.409
really unhealthy and things don't gel, those
01:18:48.409 --> 01:18:50.130
would be the two teams that would push them out.
01:18:50.390 --> 01:18:54.130
Just one of them being in the play -in would
01:18:54.130 --> 01:18:56.350
push Philly out. If everybody makes the playoffs
01:18:56.350 --> 01:18:58.550
that we're expecting to make the playoffs. Oh,
01:18:58.550 --> 01:19:00.430
and Philly is just trying to play. Yeah, just
01:19:00.430 --> 01:19:02.630
one of those teams having a better record than
01:19:02.630 --> 01:19:04.649
Philly would eliminate Philly from even making
01:19:04.649 --> 01:19:07.649
the play -in. That's how deep the East is this
01:19:07.649 --> 01:19:11.600
year. If Philly does struggle that bad. Yeah,
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:13.939
exactly. Because we're all expecting Atlanta,
01:19:14.180 --> 01:19:17.600
Orlando, Miami, Indiana, Detroit, Cleveland,
01:19:17.739 --> 01:19:19.479
obviously, Toronto, Boston. But the Wizards are
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:23.060
arguably a team that need more things to go healthy.
01:19:24.779 --> 01:19:28.319
It's going to be equally, yeah. As miraculous
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.420
if they stay healthy. Injury swing, yeah, for
01:19:30.420 --> 01:19:33.720
sure. but I just feel like there's a world where
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:37.020
it could happen if the Wizards are semi -healthy,
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:40.840
if they get like 50 games out of AD. And I mean,
01:19:40.899 --> 01:19:43.979
Trey Young is usually pretty healthy for the
01:19:43.979 --> 01:19:45.640
most part. The past couple of years has been
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:47.720
a little bit more shaky, but also I feel like
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.880
that was more like the situation of, you know,
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.180
him not being wanted in Atlanta and like them
01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:56.340
trying to figure out a trade for him. So he was
01:19:56.340 --> 01:19:59.039
like sitting out like to not hurt his trade value.
01:20:00.529 --> 01:20:03.710
By getting injured. But I do think that this
01:20:03.710 --> 01:20:05.630
team is very talented. They have a lot of, like,
01:20:05.670 --> 01:20:07.250
you know, pieces to put together. Obviously,
01:20:07.310 --> 01:20:09.250
AJ DeBonsa, the number one pick in the draft
01:20:09.250 --> 01:20:12.930
this year, is something to note. And then Alex
01:20:12.930 --> 01:20:15.529
Saar as the second pick in the draft a couple
01:20:15.529 --> 01:20:17.170
years ago, who's, you know, still developing.
01:20:17.789 --> 01:20:20.390
Him and, like, his insurance that they have for
01:20:20.390 --> 01:20:23.729
AD kind of fills in the same exact role that
01:20:23.729 --> 01:20:26.130
they would be missing. And they can play alongside
01:20:26.130 --> 01:20:29.920
each other as well. Trey Johnson as another guy
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.100
who's there in the backcourt. I want to say,
01:20:33.180 --> 01:20:34.920
I remember, I might be wrong on this. Didn't
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:36.819
they get Trey Mann in the offseason too? Do they
01:20:36.819 --> 01:20:38.439
have three Trey's? They have Trey Mann. Okay.
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:40.500
That's right. If you think about the three Trey's
01:20:40.500 --> 01:20:44.640
thing. Yeah. I've got like the list of acquisitions
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:48.220
and stuff. They signed Trey Young. Well, they
01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:50.420
had him, but they gave him the more. A whopping
01:20:50.420 --> 01:20:53.659
deal, which I'm not a big fan of. Which always
01:20:53.659 --> 01:20:59.369
goes good for them. Yeah. Brad Beal. Brad Beal.
01:20:59.630 --> 01:21:02.130
John Wall. John Wall. I think they're still paying
01:21:02.130 --> 01:21:04.550
John Wall. Anyway, they have Dominator, Chris.
01:21:04.789 --> 01:21:06.869
Yeah, that's true. Or Michael Christian Middleton.
01:21:07.670 --> 01:21:10.829
Oh, yeah. He's back. Christopher? What's his
01:21:10.829 --> 01:21:13.449
first name? It doesn't matter. His first name
01:21:13.449 --> 01:21:15.710
is James, I want to say. James Christian Middleton.
01:21:16.170 --> 01:21:19.350
But he acts like Michael Jordan sometimes. Yeah.
01:21:19.529 --> 01:21:23.109
Not recently, but Chris Middleton and Trey Mann,
01:21:23.369 --> 01:21:25.770
and they lost Jaden Hardy, D 'Angelo Russell.
01:21:26.270 --> 01:21:28.689
who's now a Shanghai shark. Yeah. Apparently
01:21:28.689 --> 01:21:32.270
I saw that. Kim Whitmore, uh, who's with your
01:21:32.270 --> 01:21:36.859
beloved nuggets. Um, but the wizards line, what
01:21:36.859 --> 01:21:39.760
are you, what was it again? The number 34 and
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.760
a half is the fan do line. I had them at 36 and
01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.920
a half actually tied with Charlotte. So I'm going
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:49.220
to be an over on Washington. Their line last
01:21:49.220 --> 01:21:51.520
year was 21 and a half as obviously one of the
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:53.220
tanking teams in the league before that was before
01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:56.479
they got Trey young and. Anthony Davis at the
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:59.340
deadline by just kind of pushing not really that
01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:01.380
many trade like pieces in. They didn't have to
01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:03.279
give up any of their young core in order to get
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:05.140
those two guys, which is just kind of crazy.
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.199
They essentially just were like, well, could
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:09.920
we give you like some stuff and we'll be like,
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:15.079
maybe a play in team. If they got those guys
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.239
still healthy, we'll be like a problematic play
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:20.060
in team. Yeah. If everybody's healthy, I'm going
01:22:20.060 --> 01:22:22.930
to go over. Just because of the scenario that
01:22:22.930 --> 01:22:26.109
you played out where the Sixers don't make the
01:22:26.109 --> 01:22:28.210
playoffs. And you want that to happen? Yeah.
01:22:28.449 --> 01:22:31.390
Okay. Absolutely. I want that to happen. That'd
01:22:31.390 --> 01:22:34.850
be hilarious. Who's so stupid now? Granted, I
01:22:34.850 --> 01:22:38.050
get the trade is still absurd, but Philadelphia
01:22:38.430 --> 01:22:40.949
is the worst city and all the pain that the fans
01:22:40.949 --> 01:22:46.239
get, they deserve. All of it. Wow. Okay. That's
01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:48.739
fair. Okay. Speaking of Eagle, I know you don't
01:22:48.739 --> 01:22:51.590
watch football. The Eagles. Took the lead with
01:22:51.590 --> 01:22:56.109
eight seconds last week and lost. To who? The
01:22:56.109 --> 01:23:00.460
Jaguars. Eight seconds. Eight. They took the
01:23:00.460 --> 01:23:03.779
lead with eight seconds. Yeah. And then the Jaguars.
01:23:03.859 --> 01:23:07.140
They kicked off. Jaguars had a decent -ish return.
01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:09.460
And then they have a kicker that has a bazooka
01:23:09.460 --> 01:23:11.420
for a leg. Hit the field goal and take the lead
01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:16.029
back. Wow. Philly deserves. Oh, and then they're
01:23:16.029 --> 01:23:18.130
like one of the greatest offensive linemen in
01:23:18.130 --> 01:23:20.090
the history of the Eagles. Retired like week
01:23:20.090 --> 01:23:22.789
six of the season. I'm done, Lane Johnson. Anyway,
01:23:23.010 --> 01:23:26.510
Philadelphia, you deserve it. Wizards, you are
01:23:26.510 --> 01:23:29.390
going over as well because your pre -line was
01:23:29.390 --> 01:23:31.109
over. Yeah, I'm going to go over on the Wizards.
01:23:31.270 --> 01:23:33.310
Quick recapping where we sit as we are through
01:23:33.310 --> 01:23:36.609
the East. Again, the rules. In each conference,
01:23:36.949 --> 01:23:40.920
we have a... three stay aways and three locks
01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:43.399
that we can choose to use how we want for a total
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.539
of six, but you can't like put all six in one.
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:47.859
So we were at our final totals after doing some
01:23:47.859 --> 01:23:50.420
thinking there. So Nick's in the Atlantic 51
01:23:50.420 --> 01:23:53.180
and a half. I'm over. Logan is under backwards.
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:58.739
I'm under Logan is over for the 76ers. 49 .5,
01:23:58.899 --> 01:24:01.359
I'm locking the under, and Logan is just regular
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.859
under. Celtics, 52 .5, I'm locking the over.
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.600
Logan's a soft under. For the Raptors, we're
01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:09.439
both choosing to stay away in the line of 46
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.800
.5. The Nets at 25 .5, we're both going under
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:15.600
that one as well, thinking they're the worst
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.800
of the bad teams is what it feels like. For the
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:23.829
Central, the Cavs, 47 .5. I'm going under. Logan's
01:24:23.829 --> 01:24:27.369
locking his over. Pistons, 48 .5. I'm going over.
01:24:27.449 --> 01:24:30.869
Logan's locking his over. For the Bucs, 24 .5
01:24:30.869 --> 01:24:33.909
is the line. We're both over. No locks, though.
01:24:34.090 --> 01:24:36.289
For the Bulls, we're both choosing to stay away
01:24:36.289 --> 01:24:41.970
at 29 .5. And for the Pacers, 44 .5 line. I'm
01:24:41.970 --> 01:24:44.390
locking the over, and Logan is a regular over.
01:24:44.649 --> 01:24:47.109
In the Southeast Division, I'm staying away from
01:24:47.109 --> 01:24:49.369
the Orlando Magic's line of 43 .5, and Logan
01:24:49.369 --> 01:24:52.550
is confident in locking the over. Hawks, 43 .5
01:24:52.550 --> 01:24:55.109
as well. I'm under. Logan is over. For the Heat,
01:24:55.210 --> 01:24:59.250
45 .5. I'm over. Logan is staying away. The Hornets
01:24:59.250 --> 01:25:02.689
at 37 .5. I'm over. Logan's under. And for the
01:25:02.689 --> 01:25:05.670
Wizards, we're both over on the line of 34 .5,
01:25:05.710 --> 01:25:09.739
and that will do the Eastern Conference. For
01:25:09.739 --> 01:25:13.680
this year's pick the line tradition. Absolutely.
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.079
And we'll be right back at you with the Western
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:24.270
Conference after this short break. All right.
01:25:24.289 --> 01:25:26.689
Welcome back to the Hoop Theory podcast. Going
01:25:26.689 --> 01:25:28.770
through our over underlines for the preseason.
01:25:29.630 --> 01:25:33.590
Vandal lines going into the year for 2027. We
01:25:33.590 --> 01:25:35.470
have done the Eastern Conference. Now we're moving
01:25:35.470 --> 01:25:38.850
on to the Western Conference. Starting in the
01:25:38.850 --> 01:25:41.890
Northwest Division. We've got the Oklahoma City
01:25:41.890 --> 01:25:44.569
Thunder who are the reigning. regular season
01:25:44.569 --> 01:25:48.890
champions with having a record of 68 wins last
01:25:48.890 --> 01:25:51.310
year. Maybe it was 64. Yeah, 64 because they
01:25:51.310 --> 01:25:54.949
were 68 the year before that. And the San Antonio
01:25:54.949 --> 01:25:57.189
Spurs were the team that beat them the most,
01:25:57.229 --> 01:25:59.489
obviously, with that heated rivalry, which we'll
01:25:59.489 --> 01:26:01.310
get into in a little bit, probably in a couple
01:26:01.310 --> 01:26:04.029
divisions when we talk about the Spurs. But for
01:26:04.029 --> 01:26:06.529
the OKC Thunder, they've won over 60 games the
01:26:06.529 --> 01:26:09.149
past couple of years now. Their line this year
01:26:09.149 --> 01:26:12.649
is at 61 and a half, which is just one win below.
01:26:13.220 --> 01:26:15.560
Where their line was last year that they squeaked
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.699
on over by a couple wins. My line that I have
01:26:18.699 --> 01:26:21.180
for OKC going into this year was just barely
01:26:21.180 --> 01:26:25.319
under that at 60 and a half. I think mainly the
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:27.020
reason why I went down a little bit is because,
01:26:27.100 --> 01:26:30.000
you know, them moving off of some of their depth
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.640
pieces with as well as a starting piece in Ledort
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:38.020
for, you know, prioritizing the future. shedding
01:26:38.020 --> 01:26:40.500
salary in order to keep the young core intact
01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:42.880
and all these draft picks that they have coming
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.399
in they have to you know shell off some money
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.100
and some players to make room so i feel pretty
01:26:49.100 --> 01:26:51.619
good about i could like definitely see their
01:26:51.619 --> 01:26:53.699
depth their young guys coming in and stepping
01:26:53.699 --> 01:26:57.579
up and like not losing a step essentially um
01:26:57.579 --> 01:27:00.680
by filling in those spots but i just do feel
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.500
like there's a little bit more uncertainty there
01:27:02.500 --> 01:27:05.539
and 61 and a half is just like it's really high
01:27:06.060 --> 01:27:10.039
It's absurd. Exactly. But losing Aaron Wiggins,
01:27:10.100 --> 01:27:14.420
losing Lou Dort, like I said, Isaiah Joe as another
01:27:14.420 --> 01:27:18.539
spacer there in Oklahoma City, which they didn't
01:27:18.539 --> 01:27:21.779
have an ample amount of in recent years. So that's
01:27:21.779 --> 01:27:24.479
going to be big to see if that falls back a little
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:27.220
bit, regresses. But they got Bennett Sturtz in
01:27:27.220 --> 01:27:29.880
the draft as maybe a guy to help supplement that.
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:34.039
You know, Jacob looks disgusted. No, he's just
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:36.340
irritating that they got. That makes me so mad
01:27:36.340 --> 01:27:38.600
because I think he's just good right away. I
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.060
think he's just a serviceable NBA player out
01:27:41.060 --> 01:27:46.539
of the box. I don't want to. Adai Mara also in
01:27:46.539 --> 01:27:49.619
the draft. Am I an insane person to think I'm
01:27:49.619 --> 01:27:53.069
going to pick over? At 61 and a half. You did
01:27:53.069 --> 01:27:56.050
last year on 62 and a half and you were correct.
01:27:56.590 --> 01:27:58.310
I think I did stay away last year, I want to
01:27:58.310 --> 01:28:05.859
say. They have been my pet team for... That's
01:28:05.859 --> 01:28:07.800
true. Now they're good, so it doesn't feel as
01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:14.130
fun. Yeah. It's an over, but there's a world
01:28:14.130 --> 01:28:16.069
that's a stay away. I refuse to give them an
01:28:16.069 --> 01:28:19.529
under. I love them too much. I refuse. No, that's
01:28:19.529 --> 01:28:21.689
fair. That's fair. 61 .5, so yeah, they need
01:28:21.689 --> 01:28:24.670
62 to go over. It's definitely attainable for
01:28:24.670 --> 01:28:28.069
this team. Going to continue to be the, you know,
01:28:28.069 --> 01:28:30.229
best defense in the world outside of maybe San
01:28:30.229 --> 01:28:32.350
Antonio if they take that crown with just like
01:28:32.350 --> 01:28:35.670
the one guy to do so in Victor Wimbanyama. But
01:28:35.670 --> 01:28:37.590
as a team, you know, this is like something to
01:28:37.590 --> 01:28:40.250
be reckoned with for sure. And, you know, Chet
01:28:40.250 --> 01:28:43.329
Holmgren, maybe he comes back with like a vengeance
01:28:43.329 --> 01:28:46.909
season after everybody being the absolute lowest
01:28:46.909 --> 01:28:49.090
they could possibly be on him in the postseason.
01:28:49.670 --> 01:28:54.590
And him just having nightmares. Yeah. Against
01:28:54.590 --> 01:28:58.850
the Frenchman. it's weird though because like
01:28:58.850 --> 01:29:02.409
it's almost like a wolves thunder or sorry a
01:29:02.409 --> 01:29:05.609
wolves nuggets like rock paper scissors thing
01:29:05.609 --> 01:29:09.960
where like the spurs are just the the rock to
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:13.579
the thunders paper yeah but the thunder just
01:29:13.579 --> 01:29:17.100
massacre sorry i have that back the rest of the
01:29:17.100 --> 01:29:21.000
league yeah the thunder the spurs would be the
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:24.100
rock to the thunders no i didn't pay attention
01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:27.010
i guess i had that backwards I realized I messed
01:29:27.010 --> 01:29:28.850
it up when I said, but the Spurs beat the crap
01:29:28.850 --> 01:29:31.149
out of every other piece of scissors, but paper
01:29:31.149 --> 01:29:33.989
can't do that to scissors. Unless it's a lot
01:29:33.989 --> 01:29:37.189
of it. I wasn't paying attention to the mechanics
01:29:37.189 --> 01:29:39.770
of the metaphor. Maybe a paper mache rock could
01:29:39.770 --> 01:29:42.649
do it. I don't know the laws of physics and how
01:29:42.649 --> 01:29:45.170
they apply to rock, paper, scissors. But, yeah,
01:29:45.649 --> 01:29:50.750
they're so good at basketball, and they've got
01:29:50.750 --> 01:29:53.970
an awesome coach, and they're hard to go against.
01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:58.960
I'm going to stick with my little soft over.
01:29:59.380 --> 01:30:02.460
Also, Jalen, they did that all last year without
01:30:02.460 --> 01:30:08.100
their second best player. They got 64 wins without
01:30:08.100 --> 01:30:10.539
their second best player playing at all, essentially.
01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:14.920
Yeah. Introducing him back into this lineup.
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.060
Hopefully he looks normal eventually because
01:30:18.060 --> 01:30:21.199
he did not look normal the bits he tried to come
01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:24.569
back last year. Yeah. No, absolutely. What did
01:30:24.569 --> 01:30:26.250
you, did you say give your selection or is that
01:30:26.250 --> 01:30:27.890
what you're doing now? I mean, I said that I'm
01:30:27.890 --> 01:30:31.289
like, my pick was like one win under, but I think
01:30:31.289 --> 01:30:33.270
I'm going to use a stay away on them is what
01:30:33.270 --> 01:30:37.109
I'm going to do. Yeah. That's a monster line.
01:30:37.350 --> 01:30:42.109
That's one thing going, well, one thing going
01:30:42.109 --> 01:30:44.229
wrong, like obviously if every team loses their
01:30:44.229 --> 01:30:47.909
best player, not great. It's not good. It's really
01:30:47.909 --> 01:30:50.430
not good for the Thunder. They're very much not
01:30:50.430 --> 01:30:52.430
the same. They're still fine, but they're not
01:30:52.430 --> 01:30:55.659
the same. It doesn't work as good. Anyway, where
01:30:55.659 --> 01:30:57.159
are we going to next in the Northwest Division?
01:30:57.720 --> 01:30:59.600
Wait, so what did you do? Did you go under? I
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:03.279
did a soft over. A soft over, okay. All right,
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:06.560
and then we're on to the Denver Nuggets as the
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:09.199
next team in the Northwest Division. It's the
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:13.920
team that I have been a lifelong fan of. I wasn't
01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.800
super happy with the offseason and how it was
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:20.199
handled, mainly just the ownership. But I think
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.310
as far as a GM standpoint, I'm not I understand
01:31:25.310 --> 01:31:28.289
why they went the route that they did with being
01:31:28.289 --> 01:31:29.810
restricted the way that they were not allowed
01:31:29.810 --> 01:31:33.850
to go into the second apron fully, which actually
01:31:33.850 --> 01:31:35.810
is ironic because I believe the Nuggets still
01:31:35.810 --> 01:31:38.750
are the only team technically in the second apron
01:31:38.750 --> 01:31:41.649
as we're speaking. But it's like barely over
01:31:41.649 --> 01:31:46.619
and we are they're expected to shed. the Zeke
01:31:46.619 --> 01:31:49.060
Nagy contract at some point during the season
01:31:49.060 --> 01:31:51.880
to slip under it. I don't know when the deadline
01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:55.039
is for when you get the ramifications of having
01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:56.899
that season being. I think it's like you have
01:31:56.899 --> 01:31:58.600
to be in there for over half the season for that
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.920
year to count in terms of the streak of three
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:04.380
of the four seasons or whatever to lose a draft
01:32:04.380 --> 01:32:07.600
pick and all those kinds of things. So they'll
01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.500
have to be monitoring that as we go throughout
01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:14.310
the season. They added DeMar DeRozan. to the
01:32:14.310 --> 01:32:16.649
bench, as well as somebody, obviously, who is
01:32:16.649 --> 01:32:19.529
talented enough to come in and start when needed.
01:32:19.829 --> 01:32:22.649
You said that the Nuggets are... The Sixers aren't?
01:32:22.649 --> 01:32:25.590
There's no way. What's going on? Are the Sixers
01:32:25.590 --> 01:32:29.060
not in the second apron? I don't believe so.
01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:32.260
I think I heard, after the Peyton Watson deal
01:32:32.260 --> 01:32:34.180
was made, that the Nuggets were the only team
01:32:34.180 --> 01:32:37.460
in the second apron. But that might have been
01:32:37.460 --> 01:32:40.779
before the... What were you... No, that was after
01:32:40.779 --> 01:32:44.319
LeBron. The Sixers are $15 million under the
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:46.670
second apron. Yeah, I believe that because of
01:32:46.670 --> 01:32:49.310
the... Is it literally just like four guys are
01:32:49.310 --> 01:32:52.729
getting paid and everyone else is homeless? I
01:32:52.729 --> 01:32:55.850
think three guys are getting paid. Right? Because
01:32:55.850 --> 01:32:59.649
it's just Maxie, Jalen... Did Edgecombe not get
01:32:59.649 --> 01:33:01.590
paid yet? No, he was in the last year. Yeah,
01:33:01.630 --> 01:33:04.829
he's in his second year. So he's probably getting
01:33:04.829 --> 01:33:07.569
paid like $10 million right now. $57 .9 million,
01:33:07.750 --> 01:33:11.449
$57 .7 million, $40 .7 million, $11 million.
01:33:11.510 --> 01:33:14.229
That's what VJK Edgecombe's at. Then you've got
01:33:14.229 --> 01:33:16.310
a bunch of guys that... $9 million, $6 million,
01:33:16.409 --> 01:33:20.229
$3 million. Yeah, holy crap. That's nuts. They
01:33:20.229 --> 01:33:22.130
were able to get some good talent, honestly,
01:33:22.170 --> 01:33:25.670
with the tiny little deals to fill out the rest
01:33:25.670 --> 01:33:28.890
of the roster, to be honest. For sure, that's
01:33:28.890 --> 01:33:32.270
crazy. Pretty good moves in that regard. LeBron
01:33:32.270 --> 01:33:34.890
taking $4 million a year is kind of huge. Yeah,
01:33:34.890 --> 01:33:36.949
that's the biggest part there. I think the biggest
01:33:36.949 --> 01:33:40.569
bargain deal for sure. But the Nuggets, I think
01:33:40.569 --> 01:33:42.710
Christian Brown is due for a bounce -back season.
01:33:43.010 --> 01:33:45.560
I'm feeling pretty good. Honestly, about this
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:50.260
team, in terms of the health factor, it won't
01:33:50.260 --> 01:33:53.560
swing the negative way quite as bad as it did
01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:55.140
last year because that was just kind of a lot
01:33:55.140 --> 01:33:58.260
happening at the same time. Kind of a rare case
01:33:58.260 --> 01:34:00.399
scenario heading into the postseason there with
01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.979
losing Peyton Watson and Aaron Gordon together,
01:34:03.060 --> 01:34:06.460
who are the only two guys who play that role
01:34:06.460 --> 01:34:12.109
on the Nuggets. Now, I think having... Adding
01:34:12.109 --> 01:34:13.970
the additions of like some of the young guys
01:34:13.970 --> 01:34:16.329
I think could possibly pop like Trevon Brazil
01:34:16.329 --> 01:34:18.829
or Trevon Brazil, I believe is how it's pronounced,
01:34:18.949 --> 01:34:24.069
actually. He looks like a maniac in the preseason.
01:34:24.170 --> 01:34:27.390
I like he's pretty raw still, but he's just I
01:34:27.390 --> 01:34:29.810
don't know how he's not going to be just a bucket
01:34:29.810 --> 01:34:31.989
every time in the pick and roll with Jokic or
01:34:31.989 --> 01:34:34.510
like cutting along the baseline with how athletic
01:34:34.510 --> 01:34:36.289
and long he is. And then he can shoot threes
01:34:36.289 --> 01:34:39.109
a little bit to Marvin Bagley. I loved as a backup
01:34:39.109 --> 01:34:42.079
big. um getting him like I thought that was a
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:44.939
pretty underrated move to be honest um I just
01:34:44.939 --> 01:34:47.340
like a lot of the like little pieces there the
01:34:47.340 --> 01:34:50.000
only the main thing I didn't like was uh sticking
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:52.319
with Trey Jones as the backup point guard or
01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:55.439
Tyus Jones excuse me the older one uh Tyus Jones
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:58.260
is the backup point guard uh when he's kind of
01:34:58.260 --> 01:34:59.960
regressed quite a bit the past couple seasons
01:34:59.960 --> 01:35:05.039
now uh but honestly like One of the better options
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:07.420
that was out there. I think Cole Anthony was
01:35:07.420 --> 01:35:09.520
the guy that I was wanting to get. I like Lonnie
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.399
Walker as another addition. Alpha Diallo is an
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:15.000
interesting piece that is coming out of the European
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:18.800
leagues as like a defensive specialist. But anyways,
01:35:18.859 --> 01:35:20.920
that is enough rambling about just some names
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:22.859
on the Denver Nuggets roster. I think this team
01:35:22.859 --> 01:35:24.619
will go over their line, which is criminally
01:35:24.619 --> 01:35:27.500
low. I feel like this year at 47 and a half,
01:35:27.619 --> 01:35:32.149
that feels really off. I was ready to say under
01:35:32.149 --> 01:35:34.590
because I'm not high on the Nuggets, but if that's
01:35:34.590 --> 01:35:37.789
what being low on them means, I am high on the
01:35:37.789 --> 01:35:41.409
Nuggets because that's crazy. Yeah. 47 and a
01:35:41.409 --> 01:35:44.390
half wins. Like, they didn't have, like, Jokic
01:35:44.390 --> 01:35:47.750
had missed stretches last year. Yeah, 16 games
01:35:47.750 --> 01:35:51.630
in a row. And they still got into the mid -50s.
01:35:51.630 --> 01:35:55.130
Like, what are we, what? Yeah, 54 wins. Like,
01:35:55.149 --> 01:35:59.789
oh no, Tim Hardaway's gone. What? But that's
01:35:59.789 --> 01:36:02.670
not a seven -game swing. You know what I mean?
01:36:03.109 --> 01:36:05.310
For sure. Yeah, I don't know. And I think that,
01:36:05.369 --> 01:36:08.430
yeah, DeMar Rosen, I think, is kind of the replacement
01:36:08.430 --> 01:36:11.869
for him, honestly, coming off the bench. And
01:36:11.869 --> 01:36:13.649
I think that this is going to be, like, DeMar
01:36:13.649 --> 01:36:15.970
can be, like, the ball handler and playmaker
01:36:15.970 --> 01:36:17.590
in the second unit as well, which is just different.
01:36:17.989 --> 01:36:21.430
Are you locking the over? Yeah, just as a tradition.
01:36:21.609 --> 01:36:23.670
I've never not locked the over for Denver. Because
01:36:23.670 --> 01:36:25.909
I might lock the over, because that line feels
01:36:25.909 --> 01:36:30.550
so stupid. Yeah. Even if it wasn't part of my
01:36:30.550 --> 01:36:32.670
tradition, I feel like I would lean that way.
01:36:32.869 --> 01:36:35.170
Are you going to lock it as well? I think I am.
01:36:35.229 --> 01:36:37.069
I don't like to follow the leader, the lemming
01:36:37.069 --> 01:36:41.770
off the cliff, but that feels criminally low,
01:36:41.810 --> 01:36:45.369
as you said. Yeah. That's crazy. I believe in
01:36:45.369 --> 01:36:46.310
the past few seasons. We'll say that and they'll
01:36:46.310 --> 01:36:49.130
fight for their life to get over it. 54 wins,
01:36:49.350 --> 01:36:52.449
50 wins was the lowest that they got. And then
01:36:52.449 --> 01:36:55.390
57, I think 53. Those are the past four years.
01:36:55.449 --> 01:36:58.340
Yeah, I don't know what. I mean, the East, there's
01:36:58.340 --> 01:36:59.800
not as many teams you just beat the crap out
01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:03.560
of. I don't know. I'm going over, locking it,
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:06.600
as are you, because of tradition. But that's
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.180
crazy. That's crazy. Moving on now to the next
01:37:11.180 --> 01:37:13.520
team in the Northwest Division. We've got the
01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:16.859
Minnesota Timberwolves, who also shook it up
01:37:16.859 --> 01:37:21.119
quite a bit. 47 and a half is their line, which
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:24.100
I thought was pretty low as well. Lock you over.
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.640
I do understand some of the concerns. The main
01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:31.579
thing is LaMelo's health as a concern, which
01:37:31.579 --> 01:37:33.220
is always a concern heading into every year.
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:35.140
Last year was his most healthy season, and he
01:37:35.140 --> 01:37:37.720
still only played 50 -something, 60 -something
01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:41.920
games, I want to say. And years previous to that,
01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:45.159
he was usually down to the 30s or 40s. And so
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.720
that's going to be a big factor. Obviously, he's
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:50.359
going to be without DiVincenzo for at least most
01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:52.279
of the season. I think there are some rumors
01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:54.670
of him. being able to come back before the playoffs.
01:37:55.829 --> 01:37:58.170
But, you know, for most of the season, he's not
01:37:58.170 --> 01:38:00.270
going to be available. And then they added Jonathan
01:38:00.270 --> 01:38:02.789
Kaminga, which is definitely a big dice roll
01:38:02.789 --> 01:38:05.210
on whether or not he's going to be effective
01:38:05.210 --> 01:38:07.649
in that spot. But he definitely fills a positional
01:38:07.649 --> 01:38:11.729
need of theirs at the four spot. You know, Rudy
01:38:11.729 --> 01:38:13.550
Gobert getting another year older at the five.
01:38:14.289 --> 01:38:16.210
But, you know, this first time in his career
01:38:16.210 --> 01:38:17.869
that he's had like a playmaking pick and roll
01:38:17.869 --> 01:38:21.500
maestro big or guard, excuse me. to pair with,
01:38:21.619 --> 01:38:24.380
to throw him lobs, to just, you know, basically
01:38:24.380 --> 01:38:27.539
set him up in the way that just has to finish
01:38:27.539 --> 01:38:30.300
the plate, essentially, instead of, you know,
01:38:30.300 --> 01:38:33.720
having to kind of work for those chances inside
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:36.720
like he's had to for most of his career. And
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.439
then we got Yohan Berenguer backing up. Gobert,
01:38:39.579 --> 01:38:42.260
who people in Minnesota are very high on. Terrence
01:38:42.260 --> 01:38:45.539
Shannon Jr. is another guy. Io Dasunmu is somebody
01:38:45.539 --> 01:38:47.880
that I think will be an important piece to this
01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:49.720
team this season. And then obviously Anthony
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:52.100
Edwards and Jade McDaniels. I can't forget to
01:38:52.100 --> 01:38:55.699
mention those guys as probably like the two main
01:38:55.699 --> 01:38:59.380
core pieces because of their tenure here in Minnesota.
01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:04.520
But yeah, outside of that, my line for them is
01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:09.359
49 and a half. So a couple wins above 47. And
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:11.039
the reason why I just have them a tiny bit lower
01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:13.239
than I had Denver at 50 and a half is because
01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:15.739
of those health concerns. But I am going to go
01:39:15.739 --> 01:39:19.119
over. They're a candidate for a lock, but I'll
01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:22.659
save that until we have a bigger view of the
01:39:22.659 --> 01:39:25.020
landscape here in the Western Conference. But
01:39:25.020 --> 01:39:29.460
Jacob is locking. I love it. Them and the Pacers.
01:39:30.140 --> 01:39:35.159
Book it. That's the finals. Oh, that's going
01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:40.319
to be an interesting matchup. I think that. Minnesota
01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:42.539
is going to be maybe the most fun team to watch
01:39:42.539 --> 01:39:45.539
this season. And maybe that's why I just wanted
01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:48.920
to lock you over so bad, because they'll be fun.
01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:54.430
Yeah, absolutely. Like, what's the thing? If
01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:57.170
there's a million fans, I'm one of them. If there's
01:39:57.170 --> 01:40:02.329
10 fans, if there's one fan, I'm it. And if there's
01:40:02.329 --> 01:40:04.550
no fans, I'm dead or something like that. That's
01:40:04.550 --> 01:40:06.829
how I feel about the Timberwolves. They're so
01:40:06.829 --> 01:40:11.729
fun. Man. They did lose Nas Reid, which I feel
01:40:11.729 --> 01:40:14.369
like we should definitely mention. No, that's
01:40:14.369 --> 01:40:20.260
very sad. But I just like, it'll work. It'll
01:40:20.260 --> 01:40:26.239
all work. Trust. And Conley, they trust. I was
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:28.159
thinking Mike Conley for a second, who I was
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:29.579
like, he's not there anymore. He's a Celtic.
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.640
He's a Celtic. And Timothy, Timothy Conley, former
01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:37.479
Nugget guy. Yeah, exactly. It feels like the
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:44.149
ceiling is higher. The capabilities of healthy
01:40:44.149 --> 01:40:47.689
with Lamella was high. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
01:40:47.689 --> 01:40:50.930
It feels like anything is possible. It always
01:40:50.930 --> 01:40:54.409
felt like they would run into a wall because
01:40:54.409 --> 01:40:56.649
Ant, the same way the Pistons would run into
01:40:56.649 --> 01:41:00.430
a wall, you can't expect one guy to just continue
01:41:00.500 --> 01:41:04.939
to be that hub in a playoff game always. And
01:41:04.939 --> 01:41:08.220
now they have two. And Ant can go back to being
01:41:08.220 --> 01:41:11.970
what he is the best at. and that's being a two
01:41:11.970 --> 01:41:14.789
guard obviously he'll sometimes like have the
01:41:14.789 --> 01:41:18.750
ball but like because of the past couple years
01:41:18.750 --> 01:41:20.770
i feel like people have forgotten that ant is
01:41:20.770 --> 01:41:24.630
the most terrifying i i can do everything and
01:41:24.630 --> 01:41:27.050
i don't have to have the ball like no it's it's
01:41:27.050 --> 01:41:29.310
huge it'll be awesome and then defensively this
01:41:29.310 --> 01:41:32.569
team is disgusting again they always are but
01:41:32.569 --> 01:41:37.409
like lamello's their bad defender okay fine And
01:41:37.409 --> 01:41:39.989
has kind of the Jalen Brown syndrome of being
01:41:39.989 --> 01:41:43.029
a terrible off -ball defender, but he's really
01:41:43.029 --> 01:41:46.369
good when he wants to be. When he's locked in
01:41:46.369 --> 01:41:47.649
on defense, he's very effective. But he also,
01:41:47.829 --> 01:41:50.210
I think, will have the capability in the playoffs
01:41:50.210 --> 01:41:55.710
to do that more. To be like, we need this. Let's
01:41:55.710 --> 01:41:58.890
go. And then you have one of the biggest what
01:41:58.890 --> 01:42:01.590
-ifs, should have been a nugget. Jaden McDaniels.
01:42:01.590 --> 01:42:06.149
Yeah. Yep, who made himself... You know, an enemy
01:42:06.149 --> 01:42:11.430
of Denver now. Have I ever told you that I tell
01:42:11.430 --> 01:42:13.310
people that and they look at me like I'm stupid?
01:42:14.199 --> 01:42:16.380
Oh, really? Because they're like, what do you
01:42:16.380 --> 01:42:17.760
mean? I'm like, you just should have been a nugget.
01:42:17.899 --> 01:42:22.020
Yeah, you should have been. At the 22nd pick
01:42:22.020 --> 01:42:25.199
in the draft, he was on the board. No, it's just
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:29.819
funny to me. I've taken that into public spaces
01:42:29.819 --> 01:42:32.399
and people were like, what are you talking about?
01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:35.850
I was really mad about that. I was equally as
01:42:35.850 --> 01:42:38.390
mad at that as I am now the night it happened.
01:42:38.550 --> 01:42:40.489
Like, it's not like just because he panned out
01:42:40.489 --> 01:42:42.989
that I'm mad about it, but I was mad about it
01:42:42.989 --> 01:42:45.789
at the time. Yeah. Well, that's the reason it's
01:42:45.789 --> 01:42:48.649
a meme. We've been saying, like, it's his middle
01:42:48.649 --> 01:42:50.390
name. It's a borderline basketball reference.
01:42:50.590 --> 01:42:52.710
If Hoop Theory built one, it's a nickname on
01:42:52.710 --> 01:42:54.550
James Daniels. It should have been a nugget.
01:42:54.569 --> 01:42:57.550
Anyway, yeah, I love the Timberwolves locking
01:42:57.550 --> 01:43:00.149
me over. Where are we headed to next? Is it actually
01:43:00.149 --> 01:43:02.560
into the northwest part of the state? Or the
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:05.319
country? That is where we're going next. I was
01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:07.560
thinking about mentioning Chris Finch saying
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:11.539
that they traded moodiness for giddiness in this
01:43:11.539 --> 01:43:13.760
lamello. That's one of the craziest quotes I've
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.619
ever heard because of how it implies that Julius
01:43:16.619 --> 01:43:18.720
Randall or Nas Reed, probably Julius Randall
01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:21.760
though, was the moodiness. I don't think that's
01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:23.880
how he meant it because if you read the whole
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:26.899
quote, he was saying like... how they, the past
01:43:26.899 --> 01:43:28.619
few seasons, they described themselves as a moody
01:43:28.619 --> 01:43:30.779
team. And LaMelo is just somebody who's never
01:43:30.779 --> 01:43:32.960
liked that. He's always happy. So I think he
01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:36.140
just meant simply the addition of LaMelo makes
01:43:36.140 --> 01:43:38.220
them a good team. It's not that they lost. It's
01:43:38.220 --> 01:43:40.279
not implying what you shipped out was this negative
01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:42.939
cancer. It's more what we got in is infectious
01:43:42.939 --> 01:43:45.600
and positive. But just that one sentence as a
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.060
headline definitely makes it feel that way. Which
01:43:48.060 --> 01:43:50.420
if it is implying that Nas Reed is a negative
01:43:50.420 --> 01:43:53.060
Debbie Downer. I would like a word with Chris
01:43:53.060 --> 01:43:56.260
Finch. I'm not upset that you broke your leg
01:43:56.260 --> 01:43:57.760
or whatever weird crap you did in the playoffs
01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.100
and you had to sit in the second row. I'm not
01:44:00.100 --> 01:44:02.420
sad anymore if you think Nas Reed was moody.
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:07.420
Die. Nice. That wasn't an actual medical thing,
01:44:07.500 --> 01:44:10.880
right? He tore his Achilles, I think, or something
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:13.819
like that. But it wasn't like a heart attack
01:44:13.819 --> 01:44:17.180
or something? No. I think Mike Conley backed
01:44:17.180 --> 01:44:20.359
into him or something. Okay. What happened? I
01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:23.520
had a mini panic attack of like, did I just say
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.119
I'm glad that you almost died? But no, it was
01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.439
just an Achilles thing, which is still unfortunate,
01:44:28.579 --> 01:44:31.840
but yeah. Where are we headed now, directionally?
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:34.340
The Pacific Northwest is the next place we're
01:44:34.340 --> 01:44:35.939
going, and that is the Portland Trailblazers,
01:44:35.939 --> 01:44:37.319
who are the only team up there in the Pacific
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:39.880
Northwest at the moment that have a team. Seattle
01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.859
is going to pretty soon. But as of right now,
01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:46.520
it's still just Portland. And the line for Portland
01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:50.970
this year. I have weird feelings of this. I usually
01:44:50.970 --> 01:44:53.270
the past few years, Portland has been kind of
01:44:53.270 --> 01:44:54.829
like what the Cavs used to be for me as like
01:44:54.829 --> 01:44:56.689
my new pet team, the team that I was like, I
01:44:56.689 --> 01:44:58.989
feel like I was early on predicting and being
01:44:58.989 --> 01:45:00.609
really high on. They have a lot of guys I really
01:45:00.609 --> 01:45:04.390
like. But every move they made this offseason
01:45:04.390 --> 01:45:08.390
just went the opposite direction of that, which
01:45:08.390 --> 01:45:11.500
I guess was really just mainly one move. in the
01:45:11.500 --> 01:45:13.659
Ja Morant deal, but that was just a pretty big
01:45:13.659 --> 01:45:16.060
move to make, and then they subsequently didn't
01:45:16.060 --> 01:45:18.159
move any of their other guards. So they just
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:21.560
have Ja Morant, Drew Holiday, Damian Lillard
01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:24.979
coming back fully healthy. Those three guys are
01:45:24.979 --> 01:45:27.239
all guys that you kind of expect to start for
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.920
this team. I don't think that they all will.
01:45:30.060 --> 01:45:33.579
It's not possible. Yeah, Dame and Ja starting
01:45:33.579 --> 01:45:36.359
as a backcourt together feels really weird, but
01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:38.079
then it feels weird to bring either of them off
01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:42.399
the bench. Yep. And then Danny Avdia took his
01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:44.340
star ascension as, like, literally the point
01:45:44.340 --> 01:45:46.279
forward of the team last year. And so you're
01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:49.819
taking the ball out of his hands. Yeah. And then
01:45:49.819 --> 01:45:52.600
Shane Sharp is also, like, you know, a guard
01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:53.699
who's going to need the ball a little bit. We
01:45:53.699 --> 01:45:55.739
have yet to see somebody taller than, like, six.
01:45:56.180 --> 01:45:57.739
I guess Danny Avdia is taller. Other than Danny,
01:45:57.899 --> 01:46:02.489
yeah. Like, these guys are all ones. Maybe, not
01:46:02.489 --> 01:46:05.069
even like for sure can play two. Most of them
01:46:05.069 --> 01:46:07.949
are like not super giant people. Defensively,
01:46:07.949 --> 01:46:09.930
Scoot's still there, right? Or did he get sentenced?
01:46:09.930 --> 01:46:12.850
Yeah, Scoot Henderson is also there, yeah. Which,
01:46:12.890 --> 01:46:14.710
that's probably my coolest thing, and I know
01:46:14.710 --> 01:46:17.560
I wasn't alone. I thought he was just a dog.
01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:21.319
He's gotten better. Like, his stock started to
01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:22.899
go up, especially like in the postseason last
01:46:22.899 --> 01:46:25.739
year. But then, he's just getting buried now,
01:46:25.899 --> 01:46:29.579
like with this move. It's just... They are to
01:46:29.579 --> 01:46:33.039
point guards what the nets are to like kind of
01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:37.510
fancy fours, like passing fours, or they just
01:46:37.510 --> 01:46:39.710
took like six of them in that one draft. Anyway,
01:46:40.109 --> 01:46:43.369
what is the number for the line? The number is
01:46:43.369 --> 01:46:47.369
up at 41 and a half. Do I blow all of my locks?
01:46:48.430 --> 01:46:51.369
Which like, I guess, yeah, they did win 42 last
01:46:51.369 --> 01:46:55.739
year. So it's right at that, but like. They had
01:46:55.739 --> 01:46:58.239
a really, really like good season, surprising
01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:01.699
season for a lot of people. I had them locked
01:47:01.699 --> 01:47:05.720
for the over at 33 and a half, but still it was
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:07.420
like they were reaching pretty much their fullest
01:47:07.420 --> 01:47:09.180
potential. I don't see them getting like that
01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:10.699
much better this year. And then the rest of the
01:47:10.699 --> 01:47:14.760
West, especially the competition and East like
01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:16.960
Utah, the team that we have left in this division
01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:19.039
is supposed to be way better than they were.
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:21.039
It's just I don't feel like they're going to.
01:47:21.409 --> 01:47:23.930
reached that same level, which is crazy to say.
01:47:24.050 --> 01:47:26.729
There's a world they suck. Not suck, but they
01:47:26.729 --> 01:47:29.750
just lose games because there's a lot of good
01:47:29.750 --> 01:47:32.750
teams in the NBA. Yeah. Their owner cheaping
01:47:32.750 --> 01:47:35.390
out, not wanting to pay Tiago Splitter, instead
01:47:35.390 --> 01:47:38.750
hiring a cheaper coach. Mike Inori, who might
01:47:38.750 --> 01:47:42.590
be good, but... I'm going to just say a regular
01:47:42.590 --> 01:47:46.270
under. I just want to get my... But I'm going
01:47:46.270 --> 01:47:48.430
to flag it because it feels weird using all of
01:47:48.430 --> 01:47:51.890
my locks in the Northwest Division. No, that's
01:47:51.890 --> 01:47:54.850
fair. But the Nuggets line feels criminally stupid.
01:47:55.409 --> 01:47:58.329
Yeah. I'm just hiring to kite on the Timberwolves.
01:47:59.699 --> 01:48:04.119
And that Portland line feels stupidly high. Not
01:48:04.119 --> 01:48:07.159
in a good way. Yeah. It does feel pretty high.
01:48:07.220 --> 01:48:10.640
My line that I gave them was 35 and a half. If
01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.239
they would have hit me with a 37, I wouldn't
01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:16.079
even question the under. But we're four games
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:20.560
higher than that. Yeah. No, that's fair. So that's
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:22.340
the biggest gap. I think. Yeah. And the whole
01:48:22.340 --> 01:48:25.960
league is this team at 41 and a half versus 35
01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:28.840
and a half. So I'm like, I should be a lock on
01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:30.920
the under. It's just, I like to money. Kamara
01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:34.079
is my spirit animal. And I love Denny Avdia.
01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:38.039
I love the crazy. Also, like they have so many
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:41.899
of my guys. So it just feels hard to, to really
01:48:41.899 --> 01:48:45.960
go under. And maybe Dame is like, you know, really
01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:49.149
bought in. veteran leader and wants to take the
01:48:49.149 --> 01:48:51.710
bench role and you know does all the right things
01:48:51.710 --> 01:48:53.729
I just I just don't know we haven't seen Dame
01:48:53.729 --> 01:48:57.109
be at that stage of his career yet so it's just
01:48:57.109 --> 01:49:00.500
hard to see hard to really envision but it's
01:49:00.500 --> 01:49:02.640
just a team that I really like all the guys on
01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:05.779
and so it feels hard to lock the under I'm gonna
01:49:05.779 --> 01:49:09.140
flag it like you did as a potential lock but
01:49:09.140 --> 01:49:12.220
I'm just gonna go under for now as much as it
01:49:12.220 --> 01:49:15.420
hurts me I like Donovan Klingon also. But moving
01:49:15.420 --> 01:49:19.100
on to the Utah Jazz at 37 and a half is their
01:49:19.100 --> 01:49:22.319
line, which is obviously much higher than their
01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:24.779
line that was last year, which is all the way
01:49:24.779 --> 01:49:28.979
down at 18 and a half. One of the lowest lines
01:49:28.979 --> 01:49:32.819
I've ever seen in my life. And they got 22 wins
01:49:32.819 --> 01:49:35.819
last year. They were also favored to go on like
01:49:35.819 --> 01:49:38.699
more than any other team on FanDuel last year.
01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:42.819
You would make less money taking the under. Yeah,
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.079
like it was negative odds. Like they were more
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:47.359
likely than, it was more than one to one odds
01:49:47.359 --> 01:49:51.460
for them to go under their line of 18 and a half
01:49:51.460 --> 01:49:55.819
wins. That's crazy. Yeah. But they ended up going
01:49:55.819 --> 01:50:00.659
22. They got over. But I think that Laurie Markkinen
01:50:00.659 --> 01:50:03.840
and obviously Jerry Jackson Jr. as a front line.
01:50:03.939 --> 01:50:06.619
I liked the potential of this, like the idea
01:50:06.619 --> 01:50:08.939
of this team better before they traded Walker
01:50:08.939 --> 01:50:11.170
Kessler. But it was obviously just kind of like
01:50:11.170 --> 01:50:13.890
a king's ransom that the Lakers threw their way
01:50:13.890 --> 01:50:17.670
that they couldn't really say no to. So I understood
01:50:17.670 --> 01:50:21.340
that. But, you know, I think a lot of people
01:50:21.340 --> 01:50:23.199
are saying that they think that this team needs
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:25.539
to play bigger because Jaron Jackson Jr. isn't
01:50:25.539 --> 01:50:27.180
like a great rebounder at the five, obviously.
01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:30.500
But I think Laurie Markin is I mean, he's a seven
01:50:30.500 --> 01:50:32.600
footer at the four. I don't think that's that.
01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.380
That has learned to be more aggressive, it feels
01:50:35.380 --> 01:50:37.539
like. As he started, it felt like he was more
01:50:37.539 --> 01:50:41.960
of a finesse -y, offensive type of guy. And it
01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:44.159
feels like now he's just a big, if that makes
01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.239
sense. I don't know if his stint in the Finnish
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:49.340
military made him walk in and toughen up or what,
01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:51.939
but I don't know if you feel the same, but I
01:50:51.939 --> 01:50:54.140
feel like he feels like a different archetype
01:50:54.140 --> 01:50:56.460
of a player in the fact that he's definitely
01:50:56.460 --> 01:50:59.859
more... He's a big now as opposed to just being
01:50:59.859 --> 01:51:04.100
a... Big lanky scalpel defensively and offensively.
01:51:04.100 --> 01:51:06.500
Yeah. I just feel like that's definitely not
01:51:06.500 --> 01:51:08.960
a small front court, but people are kind of acting
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:10.939
like it is. So they think that Yusuf Nurkic has
01:51:10.939 --> 01:51:13.960
to like start there at the five, which I should
01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:16.699
probably start pulling up rosters. But I think
01:51:16.699 --> 01:51:19.239
that he, who else would be a big man in the rotation
01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:22.340
there? Jackson Hayes. Oh, Jackson Hayes. Yeah,
01:51:22.380 --> 01:51:24.520
that's right. Yep. Another guy they brought in.
01:51:24.539 --> 01:51:27.600
Mo Bamba is there. Oh yeah, I saw him in the
01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:34.039
preseason. Diallo, Ibra. Ibrahima Diallo. Okay.
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:38.699
The potentially groomed guy of Kyle Filipowski.
01:51:38.699 --> 01:51:40.680
Have you heard that story? Oh yeah, Filipowski.
01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:44.220
He could start at five, honestly. I could see
01:51:44.220 --> 01:51:47.479
that. And yes, I have heard the grooming story,
01:51:47.659 --> 01:51:50.359
by the way. I think they're still married, so
01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:55.220
cool. Good for Mr. Kyle. Yeah, I think Will Hardy
01:51:55.220 --> 01:51:57.039
might be my pick for coach of the year this year.
01:51:58.100 --> 01:51:59.979
Just as, you know, the first time he's with a
01:51:59.979 --> 01:52:02.689
team that is expected to win or like he's supposed
01:52:02.689 --> 01:52:05.590
to be trying to win games with because he would
01:52:05.590 --> 01:52:07.989
try to win despite what his front office was
01:52:07.989 --> 01:52:09.890
telling him what to do it felt like yeah he'd
01:52:09.890 --> 01:52:12.689
be like we're not giving up screw you and then
01:52:12.689 --> 01:52:16.329
um it's worked out clearly yeah so there's going
01:52:16.329 --> 01:52:18.470
to they're finally rewarding him with a roster
01:52:18.470 --> 01:52:21.529
of the intent of hey try to win let's let's develop
01:52:21.529 --> 01:52:23.710
young players into winning basketball players
01:52:23.710 --> 01:52:28.390
uh 37 and a half though the thing that's tough
01:52:28.390 --> 01:52:31.899
it's more like oh I like this team. I like what
01:52:31.899 --> 01:52:34.180
they've done, but someone still has to lose basketball
01:52:34.180 --> 01:52:36.800
games at the end of the day. And that makes it,
01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:39.020
you know what I mean? So, oh, I feel like every
01:52:39.020 --> 01:52:41.180
team in the league has gotten worse. I feel like
01:52:41.180 --> 01:52:44.899
70 % of the NBA has gotten better. 50 % of the
01:52:44.899 --> 01:52:47.119
teams on a given night lose. That's still, I
01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:48.500
guess there's ties, but you know what I'm saying?
01:52:48.859 --> 01:52:52.130
Like. Does the NBA do ties? They don't do ties.
01:52:52.210 --> 01:52:54.909
I didn't think so. Basketball is a game. For
01:52:54.909 --> 01:52:56.770
a second, I checked out for a second. I wasn't
01:52:56.770 --> 01:52:58.050
sure if you were talking about another sport
01:52:58.050 --> 01:53:00.689
now. No, my brain thought ties because there's
01:53:00.689 --> 01:53:03.510
been like, no, the past three primetime football
01:53:03.510 --> 01:53:06.369
games, Sunday night, Monday night, and Thursday
01:53:06.369 --> 01:53:10.090
night, all have been overtime games, which is
01:53:10.090 --> 01:53:17.039
crazy. And then Sunday night. Sunday night was
01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:19.220
a tie. No, that was a Sunday regular. Anyway,
01:53:19.359 --> 01:53:22.699
it's been crazy. But with that being said, 37
01:53:22.699 --> 01:53:25.779
.5 back to the sport of basketball. For the Jazz,
01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:30.409
for me, I'm going to go the under, not because
01:53:30.409 --> 01:53:33.489
I don't think they're going to be better. Somebody
01:53:33.489 --> 01:53:37.569
has to lose. Yeah. And I feel like as you have
01:53:37.569 --> 01:53:42.050
been under heavy, I have been over heavy. It
01:53:42.050 --> 01:53:45.539
feels like in my brain. I'm not counting. I'm
01:53:45.539 --> 01:53:48.340
just saying for my gut. Oh, in this in this division.
01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:53.399
OK, is that what you meant? Yes. Yeah, because
01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:56.720
I feel like I've been doing a lot of overs. But
01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:00.779
yeah, I feel like I'm over heavy, at least at
01:54:00.779 --> 01:54:03.800
the minimum. I feel over heavy. Yeah, I'd say
01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:06.340
that. Yeah, it's trended that way more recently.
01:54:07.260 --> 01:54:10.760
I'm looking back, but there's also, you know,
01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:13.140
Keontae George had like a almost all star level
01:54:13.140 --> 01:54:15.430
season. or it was all -star level, but almost
01:54:15.430 --> 01:54:17.630
made the all -star team last year. Ace Bailey
01:54:17.630 --> 01:54:20.829
coming into a second year. And then Darren Peterson,
01:54:20.909 --> 01:54:22.689
obviously one of the top picks in the draft this
01:54:22.689 --> 01:54:27.090
year. Bryce Sensabaugh is awesome. But I think
01:54:27.090 --> 01:54:29.890
that I will, they're right at the same line that
01:54:29.890 --> 01:54:32.270
I gave them, 37 and a half. So stay away feels
01:54:32.270 --> 01:54:37.369
in play for me at this point. But I will probably
01:54:37.369 --> 01:54:41.149
just lean a slight over. Did you go under? Is
01:54:41.149 --> 01:54:43.569
that what you did? I did under. You did under.
01:54:44.659 --> 01:54:46.699
I think I'll just go with the stay away, actually.
01:54:46.720 --> 01:54:49.300
Yeah, I'll go with stay away here to get that
01:54:49.300 --> 01:54:52.039
out of the way early. And that'll do it for the
01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:54.279
Northwest Division. We'll be moving on to the
01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:56.579
Pacific next. After this short break, we'll see
01:54:56.579 --> 01:55:04.869
you on the other side. All right. Welcome back
01:55:04.869 --> 01:55:07.810
to the Hoop Theory podcast. Finishing out the
01:55:07.810 --> 01:55:10.329
preseason over underlines. I'm wearing a different
01:55:10.329 --> 01:55:11.949
shirt. He's wearing a different shirt. That's
01:55:11.949 --> 01:55:13.550
because it's a different day. Same underwear,
01:55:13.569 --> 01:55:16.270
though. Same underwear. Just kidding. That was
01:55:16.270 --> 01:55:19.859
a joke. That was a joke. Maybe I'm not wearing
01:55:19.859 --> 01:55:23.100
underwear. Sorry, I'm going to stop. One day
01:55:23.100 --> 01:55:26.380
later, as we're recording this, to finish out
01:55:26.380 --> 01:55:29.100
the Western Conference, and that is just two
01:55:29.100 --> 01:55:30.800
divisions, as we've already done the Northwest.
01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:33.699
You just heard that. We don't need to refresh
01:55:33.699 --> 01:55:37.140
anybody. But the Pacific Division is the next
01:55:37.140 --> 01:55:40.260
one, and we've got the Los Angeles Lakers as
01:55:40.260 --> 01:55:42.859
the first team here, which is everybody's favorite
01:55:42.859 --> 01:55:45.199
team to talk about, whether it's a good thing
01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:47.779
or a bad thing. People enjoy talking about them.
01:55:48.500 --> 01:55:51.939
This is going to be the slowest and most white
01:55:51.939 --> 01:55:54.760
team that they've ever assembled, probably, at
01:55:54.760 --> 01:55:56.819
least in Los Angeles. Maybe their Minneapolis
01:55:56.819 --> 01:55:59.880
days is how far you have to go back before. Well,
01:55:59.920 --> 01:56:01.939
they barely claimed it. That's true. Hopefully
01:56:01.939 --> 01:56:07.289
they'll fully claim this team. And that's going
01:56:07.289 --> 01:56:10.869
to be led by Luka Doncic. And then Walker Kessler
01:56:10.869 --> 01:56:13.510
is a new addition there in the middle. Austin
01:56:13.510 --> 01:56:18.390
Reeves continuing to be Hillbilly Kobe. In order
01:56:18.390 --> 01:56:20.189
of importance, I probably would have thrown Reeves
01:56:20.189 --> 01:56:22.989
in there at the two slot. Yeah. Kessler's obviously
01:56:22.989 --> 01:56:25.770
the biggest change. And I feel like they did
01:56:25.770 --> 01:56:28.829
pretty good with their offseason shuffling and
01:56:28.829 --> 01:56:32.239
adjustments. But I don't quite fully get the
01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:35.880
hype other than Luka is Luka Doncic and one of
01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:38.199
the most exciting basketball players. And if
01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:40.859
he was at any other era in basketball, would
01:56:40.859 --> 01:56:43.359
be probably the GOAT of that era. But he's now.
01:56:45.770 --> 01:56:47.850
I don't get the hype of the, like looking them
01:56:47.850 --> 01:56:50.689
as like a legitimate thing in the West in terms
01:56:50.689 --> 01:56:54.850
of like, I don't know. I just don't fully see
01:56:54.850 --> 01:56:57.350
that vision. But I also, for those that, I don't
01:56:57.350 --> 01:56:58.869
know if we've talked about it yet in this episode,
01:56:58.890 --> 01:57:01.750
I was more unplugged last season than I have
01:57:01.750 --> 01:57:04.189
been since like high school. So that was, this
01:57:04.189 --> 01:57:06.670
was the most unplugged I've been was last year,
01:57:06.770 --> 01:57:10.789
but I don't fully get the pizzazz, I guess, behind
01:57:10.789 --> 01:57:13.289
this whole thing. Yeah. I mean, I'm not super
01:57:13.289 --> 01:57:15.970
high on them. I think most people aren't like,
01:57:16.220 --> 01:57:19.859
super high on this team, mainly because of the
01:57:19.859 --> 01:57:22.119
defensive... Outside of it just being the Lakers.
01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:24.079
There's a ton of Lakers fans who are high on
01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:27.960
that. But they're going to be reliant on Walker
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:30.560
Kessler as the anchor of their defense because
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:33.539
they obviously have Austin Reeves and Luka Doncic
01:57:33.539 --> 01:57:37.300
there starting. And then outside of that, in
01:57:37.300 --> 01:57:39.859
their starting lineup at the four, I think...
01:57:39.859 --> 01:57:41.739
Is it going to be Mamou? I need to pull up the
01:57:41.739 --> 01:57:43.539
roster because I feel like I'm forgetting about
01:57:43.539 --> 01:57:46.270
somebody. But I know they got Quentin Grimes
01:57:46.270 --> 01:57:49.369
and Collin Sexton. The Lakers, I was looking
01:57:49.369 --> 01:57:52.310
at a couple power rankings. They're the sixth
01:57:52.310 --> 01:57:54.890
on this one that I'm looking at now. Like the
01:57:54.890 --> 01:57:57.409
sixth best team in the NBA. In the league? Wow,
01:57:57.510 --> 01:57:59.029
that is a lot. In front of the Heat, in front
01:57:59.029 --> 01:58:00.630
of the Nuggets, in front of the Celtics, in front
01:58:00.630 --> 01:58:04.310
of the Raptors. What website is that? It's our
01:58:04.310 --> 01:58:06.729
former, our fall from grace, our sweet, sweet
01:58:06.729 --> 01:58:09.310
angel. Kevin O 'Connor rocking it on the Yahoo
01:58:09.310 --> 01:58:13.029
.com. Okay, Kevin O 'Connor is, I think, More
01:58:13.029 --> 01:58:13.829
and more in the past few years. Remember when
01:58:13.829 --> 01:58:16.010
we used to be like step for step for him? He
01:58:16.010 --> 01:58:18.649
used to be good. That's the closest thing we
01:58:18.649 --> 01:58:22.210
have to a mouthpiece of our opinion. And then
01:58:22.210 --> 01:58:24.869
he just went kind of crazy. Yeah. And not even
01:58:24.869 --> 01:58:26.449
the political stuff that people are upset about.
01:58:26.590 --> 01:58:29.369
Just like his basketball takes just got like,
01:58:29.550 --> 01:58:32.710
I'm going to be crazy about it. I think he became
01:58:32.710 --> 01:58:35.170
too good of friends with Nick Wright. And he
01:58:35.170 --> 01:58:38.510
like. He kind of liked the way that Nick Wright
01:58:38.510 --> 01:58:40.470
goes about things and adopted a way of doing
01:58:40.470 --> 01:58:43.710
that in a way that just feels different. I understand
01:58:43.710 --> 01:58:46.069
what Nick Wright is, and I get why he does what
01:58:46.069 --> 01:58:48.930
he does, having hot takes and whatever. But Kevin
01:58:48.930 --> 01:58:51.810
O 'Connor became too obsessed with the idea of
01:58:51.810 --> 01:58:55.850
just having a fun, weird hot take just for the
01:58:55.850 --> 01:58:57.710
sake of having a fun, weird hot take. You know
01:58:57.710 --> 01:59:00.770
what I mean? It feels like he's become too...
01:59:01.550 --> 01:59:04.430
Other power rankings have them just outside the
01:59:04.430 --> 01:59:08.090
top 10, which feels more correct having a win
01:59:08.090 --> 01:59:12.350
-healthy top four player on planet Earth. That
01:59:12.350 --> 01:59:15.750
feels more correct with the cast around him.
01:59:16.630 --> 01:59:18.409
Yeah, because of the people that are going to
01:59:18.409 --> 01:59:20.390
be playing a lot. Yeah, not a lot of defense
01:59:20.390 --> 01:59:23.109
there. They'll have to reach down onto their
01:59:23.109 --> 01:59:28.050
bench for guys like Jaren Vanderbilt. Jared Vanderbilt.
01:59:28.090 --> 01:59:31.529
Jay Vando. The Vando. The Vandalorian. Yeah.
01:59:31.590 --> 01:59:34.729
On the rare chance that he's healthy. Yeah, unfortunate.
01:59:35.149 --> 01:59:37.729
One of the guys of the podcast. Kind of fallen
01:59:37.729 --> 01:59:40.670
from that status, but at one point was one of
01:59:40.670 --> 01:59:43.130
them. I mean, if he would have been playing the
01:59:43.130 --> 01:59:45.689
past few years. Probably would have been a walk.
01:59:45.930 --> 01:59:48.130
Yeah. Matisse Thibault. For a guy of the podcast.
01:59:48.409 --> 01:59:52.159
Who's the, what's their line? The line is 45
01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:55.439
and a half. is what FanDuel has him at, which
01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:57.340
I think is one of the lower ones, I want to say.
01:59:58.140 --> 02:00:01.420
Let's look here where the line is for the Lakers
02:00:01.420 --> 02:00:05.239
on everybody else's books. Looks like everybody's
02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:09.340
at either 46 or 45 and a half, one of those two.
02:00:10.500 --> 02:00:13.560
So, I mean, I think that's where I have my line
02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:15.720
is 46 and a half. That was the line I gave him.
02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:17.779
I felt like that was pretty fair just because
02:00:17.779 --> 02:00:21.060
of Luka Doncic, obviously. It feels like this
02:00:21.060 --> 02:00:25.140
might be finally, like the year for Luca as in
02:00:25.140 --> 02:00:28.180
terms of like having an MVP caliber season, you
02:00:28.180 --> 02:00:30.520
know, he's had a couple on par with that so far,
02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:32.680
but for the most part, it's just kind of been,
02:00:32.739 --> 02:00:34.899
he hasn't had one where he's like healthy enough
02:00:34.899 --> 02:00:37.899
or high enough in the standings. Uh, this one,
02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:39.939
it feels like they could get up there potentially
02:00:39.939 --> 02:00:42.279
maybe to like a top four seed in the, in the
02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:45.899
West. Um, and if he just averages 35 points a
02:00:45.899 --> 02:00:51.079
game, like, I mean, he almost did, but it's,
02:00:51.310 --> 02:00:54.970
That's just still an insane thing to just be
02:00:54.970 --> 02:00:57.930
like, yeah, just go do that and be like, yeah,
02:00:57.970 --> 02:01:00.489
he like, I don't want to say he probably will,
02:01:00.630 --> 02:01:06.220
but like, but like it's more than just might.
02:01:06.539 --> 02:01:08.920
You know what I mean? It's like, I'm actually
02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:11.500
not that worried if I have to bet on that. Yeah.
02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:17.460
33 .5 is what he averaged last year. 33 .5. Per
02:01:17.460 --> 02:01:20.359
game. And so, I mean, this team is built even
02:01:20.359 --> 02:01:22.619
more around him without LeBron there, obviously.
02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:27.060
And just shooters around him. They're handling
02:01:27.060 --> 02:01:28.960
the ball. And then Austin Reeves is like, you
02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:30.880
know, his sidekick, essentially what Kyrie was
02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:33.479
for him in Dallas. Well, no, and I think that
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:36.000
this is the closest they had to that finals run
02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.279
in Dallas in terms of like what they have around
02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:42.699
him. And a jury is still out to say if it's a
02:01:42.699 --> 02:01:46.050
better. cast around him i would like i would
02:01:46.050 --> 02:01:49.640
say it's not i would go out on that one right
02:01:49.640 --> 02:01:52.180
away i i just feel like the in dallas they had
02:01:52.180 --> 02:01:54.939
enough like actual perimeter defense plus the
02:01:54.939 --> 02:01:58.060
interior defense this just has one good rim protector
02:01:58.060 --> 02:02:00.899
um a really good rim protector i'll give him
02:02:00.899 --> 02:02:04.079
that but outside of that mitchell jazz era like
02:02:04.079 --> 02:02:06.439
like where there was just not a whole lot and
02:02:06.439 --> 02:02:08.500
that obviously didn't work out it shut down the
02:02:08.500 --> 02:02:17.539
entire nba just kidding um But now that I see
02:02:17.539 --> 02:02:19.300
that the one power, I looked at a couple and
02:02:19.300 --> 02:02:21.779
I just forgot the other ones. The rest of them,
02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.140
having them lower makes me feel better. But 45
02:02:24.140 --> 02:02:28.619
and a half, I am going to go under. Obligatory
02:02:28.619 --> 02:02:32.039
haterade. That's fair. I feel like I've had a
02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:34.539
lot of that this season, but I'm just going to
02:02:34.539 --> 02:02:37.100
go the under. Because if Luka gets hurt, this
02:02:37.100 --> 02:02:42.149
team is terrible. Yeah, unless Austin Reeves
02:02:42.149 --> 02:02:45.739
just has a... But even then, I don't know if
02:02:45.739 --> 02:02:50.380
he... This seems not good if Luka's hurt. Like,
02:02:50.380 --> 02:02:53.359
not doing Nuggets without Jokic level bad, but
02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:56.819
they're not good. And so you have their line
02:02:56.819 --> 02:02:59.479
at 46 .5. Are you going to do an over following
02:02:59.479 --> 02:03:01.420
the trend of what you've done in the previous
02:03:01.420 --> 02:03:03.500
divisions? Yeah, I think I'm either going to
02:03:03.500 --> 02:03:05.779
go over or stay away. Let's look at what I've
02:03:05.779 --> 02:03:08.899
used so far. I already have two stay aways used
02:03:08.899 --> 02:03:13.720
in this conference. I used on Utah and I used
02:03:13.720 --> 02:03:18.279
it on OKC. So I think I'm going to go over, honestly.
02:03:18.380 --> 02:03:21.800
I have faith in Luka. I just feel like this is
02:03:21.800 --> 02:03:23.640
going to be a more healthy season than Luka's
02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:26.560
had the past couple. I hope so. Because when
02:03:26.560 --> 02:03:29.579
he's healthy, it's very fun. So that's going
02:03:29.579 --> 02:03:31.760
to be my pick for the Lakers. Last year, their
02:03:31.760 --> 02:03:35.020
line was at 48 .5. They had 53 wins last year,
02:03:35.100 --> 02:03:38.560
which doesn't feel right. Yeah. Thinking back.
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:42.510
That doesn't. That really doesn't. Yeah. I feel
02:03:42.510 --> 02:03:45.310
like with all things considered, it's kind of
02:03:45.310 --> 02:03:48.029
crazy how their line is that much lower than
02:03:48.029 --> 02:03:49.550
where they were at last year. I mean, I know
02:03:49.550 --> 02:03:52.750
they lost LeBron as well as Rui Hachimura. That's
02:03:52.750 --> 02:03:55.409
another big loss, I feel like. No, for what he
02:03:55.409 --> 02:03:57.850
was doing for them, absolutely. Yeah, but they
02:03:57.850 --> 02:04:00.310
definitely got some other talent in there. Not
02:04:00.310 --> 02:04:03.109
exactly like the same types of players, but I
02:04:03.109 --> 02:04:04.449
still feel like this team is going to win some
02:04:04.449 --> 02:04:06.890
basketball games, especially in this division.
02:04:07.050 --> 02:04:09.760
Excuse me. I don't think this division is going
02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:12.000
to be very competitive. And I think they will
02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:14.819
win it pretty easily. Jacob is going crazy right
02:04:14.819 --> 02:04:17.380
now. Sorry, it's we're recording this late. And
02:04:17.380 --> 02:04:21.619
I just watched the Miami Florida State Hail Mary.
02:04:21.779 --> 02:04:25.260
That didn't happen. But it was so close. Florida
02:04:25.260 --> 02:04:27.380
State's not good at football. Usually that name
02:04:27.380 --> 02:04:29.500
would be like, oh, that was probably like a game
02:04:29.500 --> 02:04:31.159
that was supposed to be close. Florida State's
02:04:31.159 --> 02:04:34.079
very not good. So that was miraculous that that
02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:37.000
was that that just happened. That's crazy. And
02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:42.220
double overtime. Anyway. I am back in Lockton
02:04:42.220 --> 02:04:46.539
now. So does college football end after a certain
02:04:46.539 --> 02:04:48.600
number of overtimes? Does it just end in a tie
02:04:48.600 --> 02:04:52.590
ever? Or do they just... No. There always has
02:04:52.590 --> 02:04:53.850
to be a winner. They've changed the rules of
02:04:53.850 --> 02:04:57.590
college football overtime, so I'm not 100 % positive,
02:04:57.750 --> 02:05:00.770
but I believe the answer is no. They just keep
02:05:00.770 --> 02:05:03.789
going. And then after three overtimes, it turns
02:05:03.789 --> 02:05:06.310
into two -point conversions back and forth. Oh,
02:05:06.329 --> 02:05:08.569
really? It's like a shootout. The offense, they
02:05:08.569 --> 02:05:13.140
said, yeah. it's pretty sick one of my favorite
02:05:13.140 --> 02:05:17.060
overtimes in all of the world of all sports does
02:05:17.060 --> 02:05:19.539
that happen how often at all like is there like
02:05:19.539 --> 02:05:22.640
only a couple examples once every five years
02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:24.939
it gets like past like three or four i'd say
02:05:24.939 --> 02:05:31.060
the most i remember is seven seven what overtimes
02:05:31.060 --> 02:05:33.659
i thought they go to the two -point conversions
02:05:33.659 --> 02:05:38.340
after three so after every overtime they like
02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:42.439
So an overtime isn't a full period of time. Oh,
02:05:42.439 --> 02:05:44.600
yeah, because you both get a run. You both get
02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:46.939
drives. Yeah, drives. So it's like seven drives
02:05:46.939 --> 02:05:52.000
of trading back and forth. Okay. Anyways, we
02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:54.600
can get back to basketball. The other team in
02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:57.600
the L .A. area, they moved a couple years ago
02:05:57.600 --> 02:06:02.289
to Englewood. Honestly, been pretty quiet out
02:06:02.289 --> 02:06:04.090
of there. Not a lot of stories, not a lot of
02:06:04.090 --> 02:06:06.229
news, not a lot of action coming out of the Clippers
02:06:06.229 --> 02:06:08.069
organization recently. A whole lot of nothing.
02:06:08.430 --> 02:06:09.609
Nothing that comes to mind. I mean, it's kind
02:06:09.609 --> 02:06:13.890
of a marquee franchise. No drama, just basketball.
02:06:15.289 --> 02:06:18.630
Yeah, and so their line for this year is 27 .5
02:06:18.630 --> 02:06:23.550
wins, which is astronomically lower than their
02:06:23.550 --> 02:06:26.989
line was last year at 49 .5. Some things changed
02:06:26.989 --> 02:06:31.310
to bring it all the way down there. I think their
02:06:31.310 --> 02:06:33.069
best player for this season is probably going
02:06:33.069 --> 02:06:35.590
to be Darius Garland. That's for sure. If he's
02:06:35.590 --> 02:06:37.869
if he's playing, at least Brandon Ingram, who
02:06:37.869 --> 02:06:40.189
they got in return for Kawhi, has a partially
02:06:40.189 --> 02:06:43.949
torn Achilles. And so he'll be out for most of
02:06:43.949 --> 02:06:47.270
the season, at least, which, you know, I sounds
02:06:47.270 --> 02:06:50.470
like apparently they already knew that everyone
02:06:50.470 --> 02:06:52.909
knew about that before the trade was even made,
02:06:52.989 --> 02:06:55.439
which didn't surprise me. I'd surprise some other
02:06:55.439 --> 02:06:58.600
people, but I just feel like Brendan Ingram was
02:06:58.600 --> 02:07:01.100
really just a means of getting Kawhi out of there.
02:07:01.239 --> 02:07:03.819
Just the salary to make it happen wasn't really
02:07:03.819 --> 02:07:06.899
a piece that they were dying to get. Well, and
02:07:06.899 --> 02:07:10.550
if Kawhi was not going to go somewhere, I feel
02:07:10.550 --> 02:07:13.050
like his direct punishment would have been worse.
02:07:13.510 --> 02:07:15.810
But the fact that they got him out of there,
02:07:15.989 --> 02:07:20.760
the NBA didn't want to impact another franchise.
02:07:21.699 --> 02:07:24.720
That's true. Yeah. So, like, I almost wonder
02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:28.100
if it was like a Steve Ballmer being like, okay,
02:07:28.100 --> 02:07:33.750
Kawhi, let's, let's, the pot's getting a little
02:07:33.750 --> 02:07:36.270
warm here. We're starting to feel it. Something's
02:07:36.270 --> 02:07:38.029
going to happen. Again, this is all speculative.
02:07:38.050 --> 02:07:40.310
Who knows actually what took place and happened
02:07:40.310 --> 02:07:44.829
in the whole thing, but yeah. Yeah. But no, and
02:07:44.829 --> 02:07:49.439
so also, it's kind of, I guess, in a roundabout
02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:53.659
way, that means Kawhi's worth 22 games. I mean.
02:07:54.380 --> 02:07:57.039
I guess it's, I'm trying to think if there's
02:07:57.039 --> 02:07:58.739
another, I mean, James Harden was also there
02:07:58.739 --> 02:08:00.199
at the start of last season. That's changed.
02:08:00.779 --> 02:08:03.640
Oh, that's true. He just left so early. Was that
02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:05.659
last season? Yeah, it was the deadline. It was
02:08:05.659 --> 02:08:10.060
February of last year. That was just last year.
02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:12.279
That's crazy. It feels like he's been a Cav for
02:08:12.279 --> 02:08:15.539
a minute. It kind of does, to be honest. Out
02:08:15.539 --> 02:08:17.279
of all the moves that happened back at the deadline,
02:08:17.420 --> 02:08:19.960
that feels like it's been the longest. But yeah,
02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:23.020
Darius Garland, that's how he got to the Clippers.
02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:26.439
So, yeah, I just don't think that there's a lot
02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:29.680
to lean on there. My line that I had for them
02:08:29.680 --> 02:08:32.640
was 28 and a half, but I didn't feel like super
02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:34.340
strongly about it. I didn't know really where
02:08:34.340 --> 02:08:39.039
to put it. But yeah, 27 and a half feels right
02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:41.359
as well. And that's what a lot of people have.
02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:44.460
I feel like I'm going to lean the under on this,
02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:47.279
actually, even though I do have my personal line
02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:50.079
a little bit above it. What are you feeling?
02:08:50.890 --> 02:08:53.840
Also. I feel like this team is one of the teams
02:08:53.840 --> 02:08:56.800
that, as the rest of the league is seemingly
02:08:56.800 --> 02:08:59.720
improving, they just have no joy or nothing.
02:08:59.960 --> 02:09:02.279
Obviously, because of the new tanking rules,
02:09:02.340 --> 02:09:04.899
there's no reason to try to lose. I just don't
02:09:04.899 --> 02:09:08.970
think that they will be... I just think it'll
02:09:08.970 --> 02:09:11.369
be a little rough. Yeah, and looking at other
02:09:11.369 --> 02:09:14.430
injuries, Bradley Beal, I think, is hurt out
02:09:14.430 --> 02:09:16.470
for the beginning of the season. Yannick Konan
02:09:16.470 --> 02:09:18.289
-Niederhauser, who's like one of their few bright
02:09:18.289 --> 02:09:21.310
young players, he's going to be out for a while
02:09:21.310 --> 02:09:24.819
as well. And then Max Struess is also out to
02:09:24.819 --> 02:09:28.770
start the year. So it's like even the good players
02:09:28.770 --> 02:09:31.189
they have are not even going to be available.
02:09:31.310 --> 02:09:32.890
And we don't know when they will be. At least
02:09:32.890 --> 02:09:36.109
I don't. A few of them is going to be a while.
02:09:36.229 --> 02:09:39.409
So obviously Keaton Wagler bringing him in there
02:09:39.409 --> 02:09:43.109
as, you know, one of their higher picks in the
02:09:43.109 --> 02:09:45.430
draft or their highest pick in the draft that
02:09:45.430 --> 02:09:48.069
they got from that Pacers trade with Evita Zubats
02:09:48.069 --> 02:09:52.300
that we talked about earlier. That was supposed
02:09:52.300 --> 02:09:55.239
to be the Pacers pick, but they ended up trading
02:09:55.239 --> 02:09:59.119
it for it was top five. If it landed in the top
02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:01.659
five, it was going to the Clippers. And if it
02:10:01.659 --> 02:10:04.140
was anywhere from 10 on in the draft, it was
02:10:04.140 --> 02:10:05.880
going to the Clippers. But if it was from six
02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:08.899
to 10, that was the window that the Pacers were
02:10:08.899 --> 02:10:12.340
going to get it. And that ended up not happening,
02:10:12.380 --> 02:10:14.640
but they got Evita Zubats out of it. So, you
02:10:14.640 --> 02:10:16.819
know, and that's the other piece that for the
02:10:16.819 --> 02:10:18.899
Clippers, why their line is different. They also
02:10:18.899 --> 02:10:22.189
lost Evita Zubats, who is. almost an all NBA
02:10:22.189 --> 02:10:25.430
player a couple of years ago. He really kind
02:10:25.430 --> 02:10:27.670
of dropped off last year, but yeah, seemingly
02:10:27.670 --> 02:10:31.210
was injury and situation related. So hopefully
02:10:31.210 --> 02:10:33.850
he can bounce back, but no, it's, um, it's not
02:10:33.850 --> 02:10:36.390
great. Not a great, well, it's never really been
02:10:36.390 --> 02:10:38.350
a great time to be a Clippers fan, like in the
02:10:38.350 --> 02:10:40.510
history of their existence. One of the worst.
02:10:40.609 --> 02:10:44.329
Yeah. The, the Walton era and like the first
02:10:44.329 --> 02:10:51.579
year of Kauai, um, dunk city for like, But even
02:10:51.579 --> 02:10:53.739
then that was like knowing it was pain. You're
02:10:53.739 --> 02:10:55.420
like, we're going to lose in seven. This sucks.
02:10:55.819 --> 02:10:58.180
We're going to lose. We're never going to make
02:10:58.180 --> 02:11:03.079
it. Yeah. No, that was. And then also masterclass
02:11:03.079 --> 02:11:08.659
on how to not handle one of your beloved like
02:11:08.909 --> 02:11:12.170
players of all time. And Chris Paul just wanted
02:11:12.170 --> 02:11:13.670
to give Chris Paul a shout out because it sounds
02:11:13.670 --> 02:11:18.369
like he was not as anti the Clippers as they
02:11:18.369 --> 02:11:22.060
were to him. Yeah. So very sad anyway. And giving
02:11:22.060 --> 02:11:25.079
his jersey number to Bradley Beal. Yeah, which
02:11:25.079 --> 02:11:29.020
is fun. Anyways, that'll be enough for the Clippers.
02:11:29.060 --> 02:11:32.500
Moving on now to the Golden State Warriors. We're
02:11:32.500 --> 02:11:35.579
going to do all the teams in the California area
02:11:35.579 --> 02:11:39.159
here today. And that's their line is going to
02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:41.119
be at 36 and a half, which is exactly where I
02:11:41.119 --> 02:11:44.460
had them. Their line last year was 47 or 45 and
02:11:44.460 --> 02:11:45.779
a half. Excuse me. And they ended up winning
02:11:45.779 --> 02:11:49.590
37. And yeah, this year, I feel like they were
02:11:49.590 --> 02:11:52.289
expecting, you know, some things to change. They're
02:11:52.289 --> 02:11:55.409
expecting to either get LeBron or like AD or
02:11:55.409 --> 02:11:58.850
both or, you know, something to happen for Steve
02:11:58.850 --> 02:12:01.829
Kerr to come back for another year, you know,
02:12:01.829 --> 02:12:03.609
sign a new contract to come back to the team,
02:12:03.630 --> 02:12:04.909
even though it seemed like he was on his way
02:12:04.909 --> 02:12:07.390
out last year. But, you know, they're coming
02:12:07.390 --> 02:12:09.789
back to a team that's really not a lot has changed.
02:12:09.869 --> 02:12:11.250
And Jimmy Butler is still going to be out for
02:12:11.250 --> 02:12:13.409
the majority of the season. And they've got Steph
02:12:13.409 --> 02:12:16.779
and Draymond and Pajimski with a new. Contract
02:12:16.779 --> 02:12:21.260
and haircut. And then Yax Lindenberg, who they
02:12:21.260 --> 02:12:23.800
got in the draft, is going to be, I think, one
02:12:23.800 --> 02:12:26.760
of the few bright spots on this roster. To be
02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:29.479
quite honest, 36 and a half games is what they
02:12:29.479 --> 02:12:33.239
need. And I'm feeling the under on this one.
02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:37.039
What are you thinking? I am on the over. Okay.
02:12:38.369 --> 02:12:43.090
Hoping everything goes right. Yeah. I can see
02:12:43.090 --> 02:12:47.479
it. 36 is not a lot. It's not. it's really like
02:12:47.479 --> 02:12:51.270
if it was like 38 and a half, like it does, it
02:12:51.270 --> 02:12:53.090
seems dumb. That's just two games, but that feels
02:12:53.090 --> 02:12:56.569
wildly different. I don't know. I just, I have
02:12:56.569 --> 02:13:00.010
enough faith in like Steph just as an entity.
02:13:01.340 --> 02:13:03.720
Like I feel like that's feasible. And when Steph
02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:07.270
and Jimmy are on the floor together, it's a very
02:13:07.270 --> 02:13:10.229
good basketball team. It's just the, how many
02:13:10.229 --> 02:13:17.140
of the 82 do they get of that? Very fair. Who
02:13:17.140 --> 02:13:21.020
knows? But I'm going to go over to counter your
02:13:21.020 --> 02:13:22.899
under. So we're differing there on the Warriors
02:13:22.899 --> 02:13:28.119
36 and a half. Yeah, that's that works. And now
02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:31.159
on to the Sacramento Kings, who has the lowest
02:13:31.159 --> 02:13:34.640
line, I believe, of the whole league scanning
02:13:34.640 --> 02:13:37.800
through there at 20 and a half wins. And they
02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:41.159
won 22 last year with a line of 34 and a half.
02:13:41.199 --> 02:13:44.819
Why was it so high going into last season? That's
02:13:44.819 --> 02:13:48.069
kind of crazy. Because Aaron Fox was gone. Yeah,
02:13:48.130 --> 02:13:50.770
I think it was DeMar DeRozan, Zach Levine, and
02:13:50.770 --> 02:13:53.109
DeMontis Bonas. I guess that kind of makes sense
02:13:53.109 --> 02:13:55.630
why it would be in the 30s. Like regular season,
02:13:55.829 --> 02:13:57.949
we're going to score a bunch of points in the
02:13:57.949 --> 02:14:01.770
mid -range exclusively for whatever reason. That's
02:14:01.770 --> 02:14:04.270
true. But now they just have Zach Levine and
02:14:04.270 --> 02:14:06.170
DeMontis Bonas who doesn't want to be there.
02:14:06.470 --> 02:14:10.770
And they've got Ben Simmons as well. Can't forget
02:14:10.770 --> 02:14:14.909
to mention that. He's back! Yeah. Better than
02:14:14.909 --> 02:14:20.550
ever, some are saying. I feel like we hear that
02:14:20.550 --> 02:14:22.810
every offseason. Yeah. Oh, he's really been in
02:14:22.810 --> 02:14:25.210
the lab. Even when he was a player. Like, when
02:14:25.210 --> 02:14:27.890
he was a player, we heard it. When he was a player,
02:14:28.010 --> 02:14:30.550
as in he's not a player. No, like, oh, he was...
02:14:30.550 --> 02:14:34.609
Well, no, no, like, when he was, like, a significant
02:14:34.609 --> 02:14:37.590
people's put him in the top 20 type of a player,
02:14:37.649 --> 02:14:40.289
as opposed to, like... He's honestly more of
02:14:40.289 --> 02:14:42.909
a circus performer player now than anything.
02:14:43.649 --> 02:14:45.489
Like, he's... Like, oh, I didn't realize he was
02:14:45.489 --> 02:14:47.750
still in the league. Yeah, he was gone for a
02:14:47.750 --> 02:14:49.550
year, and now he came back. He was a professional
02:14:49.550 --> 02:14:53.390
fisherman for a year, actually. So I feel like
02:14:53.390 --> 02:14:55.489
my statement of saying when he was a player was
02:14:55.489 --> 02:14:58.989
borderline valid. Yeah, but he's playing again
02:14:58.989 --> 02:15:05.189
now. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, this is going to
02:15:05.189 --> 02:15:07.930
be a bad team. It's hard when you're saying these
02:15:07.930 --> 02:15:12.170
gentlemen won't collectively win 20 games. Like,
02:15:12.170 --> 02:15:16.640
that's such a low number. But anything is possible,
02:15:16.880 --> 02:15:19.720
and I feel like that is the likely case scenario.
02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:22.949
Yeah. So you're going to go under, it sounds
02:15:22.949 --> 02:15:25.850
like? I think so. I think so. That's just such
02:15:25.850 --> 02:15:28.409
a low line. I'm going to flag it as a maybe stay
02:15:28.409 --> 02:15:30.670
away, because I have not used any of my stay
02:15:30.670 --> 02:15:32.189
aways in the West, and I'm going to need to use
02:15:32.189 --> 02:15:38.960
three of them. But, man, that's so few. I'm actually
02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:40.460
going to pivot it right now. I'm going to do
02:15:40.460 --> 02:15:44.550
stay away, because that's so low. Yeah. No, that's
02:15:44.550 --> 02:15:49.050
fair. Oh, man. My line I have for them is 21
02:15:49.050 --> 02:15:53.310
.5, so it's one win over. I feel like that's
02:15:53.310 --> 02:15:55.770
really low for a year where this team already
02:15:55.770 --> 02:15:59.229
wasn't trying to tank, and they won 22 games
02:15:59.229 --> 02:16:03.159
last year. Maybe that means they're going under
02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:04.659
because nobody else is going to be trying to
02:16:04.659 --> 02:16:05.939
tank. Everybody else is going to be trying to
02:16:05.939 --> 02:16:10.859
beat them when they play each other. Darius Acuff
02:16:10.859 --> 02:16:14.180
Jr. coming out of the draft, one of the top picks
02:16:14.180 --> 02:16:16.920
this year. Probably going to have the keys to
02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:20.140
the offense, I would imagine. Alex Caraban was
02:16:20.140 --> 02:16:22.859
another rookie they got who looked terrible in
02:16:22.859 --> 02:16:27.460
summer league from what I had seen. Nick Clifford
02:16:27.460 --> 02:16:30.560
didn't get as much burn as he should have last
02:16:30.560 --> 02:16:34.760
year as a rookie. He showed to be pretty impactful
02:16:34.760 --> 02:16:37.639
for them, actually. And Malik Monk also kind
02:16:37.639 --> 02:16:40.500
of got buried out of nowhere. Maxime Reynaud.
02:16:40.950 --> 02:16:43.209
I liked his rookie season last year a lot with
02:16:43.209 --> 02:16:45.510
Sabonis out, him stepping in as like the starting
02:16:45.510 --> 02:16:49.639
big for a good portion of the season. But these,
02:16:49.739 --> 02:16:51.579
yeah, I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel
02:16:51.579 --> 02:16:54.200
with, you know, bringing up some names here.
02:16:55.139 --> 02:16:57.180
I don't, I don't like this team. I don't think
02:16:57.180 --> 02:16:59.200
anybody does. I don't think Kings fans like this
02:16:59.200 --> 02:17:04.030
team. So I'm going to, I'm going to go under
02:17:04.030 --> 02:17:09.170
on this team. No, and again, it just, it feels
02:17:09.170 --> 02:17:15.829
impossible. That's so few wins. It is. I was
02:17:15.829 --> 02:17:17.469
trying to talk myself out of it, but I look at
02:17:17.469 --> 02:17:19.350
the roster and I'm like, this is a bad team.
02:17:20.049 --> 02:17:23.729
This is on potential to be the worst team ever.
02:17:24.450 --> 02:17:29.030
Is it in that level of terribleness with how
02:17:29.030 --> 02:17:30.870
good the rest of the NBA is? If it were a different
02:17:30.870 --> 02:17:36.149
franchise, if it were a team that we know would
02:17:36.149 --> 02:17:38.629
buy into the philosophy of trying to tank and
02:17:38.629 --> 02:17:41.879
lose games, They would get it done. I feel like
02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:44.579
they could get the worst record of all time.
02:17:45.170 --> 02:17:47.389
But I also feel like there's a difference between
02:17:47.389 --> 02:17:49.590
the worst record of all time and the team that
02:17:49.590 --> 02:17:52.549
no matter what they did, physically couldn't
02:17:52.549 --> 02:17:57.590
win football games. Football. Sorry. Basketball
02:17:57.590 --> 02:18:01.530
games. No matter how hard they tried, they just
02:18:01.530 --> 02:18:06.020
can't win. And this team feels like with how
02:18:06.020 --> 02:18:09.299
good the rest of the NBA is. They might be that,
02:18:09.299 --> 02:18:13.500
that they could legitimately try and still lose
02:18:13.500 --> 02:18:17.379
so many games. Yeah. Sorry, if you're looking
02:18:17.379 --> 02:18:20.680
for optimism, Kings fans, not here. Not going
02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:23.180
to be found on this podcast. I also don't think
02:18:23.180 --> 02:18:25.340
any Kings fans are like, yeah, there's optimism
02:18:25.340 --> 02:18:28.659
somewhere. Unless I generate it in my brain.
02:18:29.159 --> 02:18:31.739
It's not located anywhere. And even the players
02:18:31.739 --> 02:18:33.379
that you feel like you might be able to trade
02:18:33.379 --> 02:18:36.000
off to get some future assets, none of them have
02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:40.040
that ripe of trade markets. Nobody's really wanting
02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:43.639
Sabonis' contract. He's kind of like a unique
02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:46.360
player that doesn't fit into many teams out there.
02:18:46.440 --> 02:18:49.780
There's not a lot of potential suitors for Sabonis
02:18:49.780 --> 02:18:51.299
around the league because of how much you kind
02:18:51.299 --> 02:18:53.260
of have to... Nobody wants Zach Levine at all.
02:18:53.540 --> 02:18:56.870
Yeah. The only guys that like might have some
02:18:56.870 --> 02:18:58.809
value are the ones that you want to try to keep
02:18:58.809 --> 02:19:01.510
because they're so young and you can just give
02:19:01.510 --> 02:19:03.530
them as many reps as possible to hopefully mold
02:19:03.530 --> 02:19:06.450
them into a significant something. Exactly. So
02:19:06.450 --> 02:19:08.149
yeah, no, they're in a terrible place. Yeah.
02:19:08.309 --> 02:19:10.370
Terrible, terrible place. I feel like we end
02:19:10.370 --> 02:19:12.709
the pain and suffering there and move on to kind
02:19:12.709 --> 02:19:14.750
of in a weird way, a more optimistic outlook.
02:19:15.250 --> 02:19:17.549
Yeah. In a weird way it is. Although I think
02:19:17.549 --> 02:19:19.629
I am a little bit lower on them than consensus
02:19:19.629 --> 02:19:23.750
this year. That is, which is a flip from last
02:19:23.750 --> 02:19:25.729
year. Everybody thought they were going to be
02:19:25.729 --> 02:19:27.670
terrible last year. And I was like, I feel like
02:19:27.670 --> 02:19:30.329
this team is not going to be bad because everybody
02:19:30.329 --> 02:19:33.290
was surprised with, you know, the 36 wins that
02:19:33.290 --> 02:19:36.829
they had with KD and Booker and Bradley Beal,
02:19:36.950 --> 02:19:38.850
you know, as a team. And then they thought. And
02:19:38.850 --> 02:19:40.510
injuries. I feel like bringing up the injury
02:19:40.510 --> 02:19:43.629
bug of that season is vital because of how good
02:19:43.629 --> 02:19:47.530
those players are. They were somewhat injured,
02:19:47.629 --> 02:19:50.129
but like, I feel like they. Pretty sure they
02:19:50.129 --> 02:19:52.290
had a bad record with all of them healthy as
02:19:52.290 --> 02:19:55.329
well, I want to say. Oh, really? Yeah. In my
02:19:55.329 --> 02:19:59.829
brain, I've just transposed that all to injuries.
02:20:00.370 --> 02:20:02.649
But that's probably incorrect. They were just
02:20:02.649 --> 02:20:05.450
bad. The vibes were just atrocious. Yeah, I mean,
02:20:05.450 --> 02:20:07.430
they definitely didn't have a super healthy year.
02:20:07.870 --> 02:20:10.649
But yeah, the vibes were not good. That was the
02:20:10.649 --> 02:20:15.290
final year of... Was it Mike Budenholzer? Was
02:20:15.290 --> 02:20:17.430
he the coach there for a year? Yes. I think that's
02:20:17.430 --> 02:20:20.680
right. Yeah. He was the coach. Yeah. And yeah.
02:20:20.780 --> 02:20:22.700
Which we both were like, this isn't going to
02:20:22.700 --> 02:20:25.700
be good. And he, he had to ask somebody, I think
02:20:25.700 --> 02:20:28.239
it was Devin Booker. He, there was a rumor or
02:20:28.239 --> 02:20:30.200
actually I think it was a report that came out
02:20:30.200 --> 02:20:34.219
that Mike Budenholzer took Devin Booker aside
02:20:34.219 --> 02:20:36.440
for a one -on -one. So I think Devin Booker leaked
02:20:36.440 --> 02:20:39.520
this to people and asked him to stop being so
02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:47.479
vocal in huddles. Wow. Wow. Um, that's. How does
02:20:47.479 --> 02:20:52.340
it feel real? Yeah, exactly. What is their estimated
02:20:52.340 --> 02:20:55.719
line, or what's their line for the year? So this
02:20:55.719 --> 02:20:59.260
year, their line from FanDuel is at 38 .5 wins.
02:20:59.680 --> 02:21:04.319
My line for them is at 35 .5, so it's a pretty
02:21:04.319 --> 02:21:06.659
decent difference there. I feel good about them,
02:21:06.719 --> 02:21:09.280
but not 38 wins good. You know what I mean? I
02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:11.540
feel like the line has over -adjusted the hype.
02:21:11.780 --> 02:21:15.899
Yeah, they won 45 games last year, which is insane
02:21:15.899 --> 02:21:19.239
to think about. I locked their over last year
02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:22.479
on 31 .5, thinking that they would probably get
02:21:22.479 --> 02:21:25.299
around 38 wins, something like that. They got
02:21:25.299 --> 02:21:29.180
45 wins with Colin Gillespie stepping in and
02:21:29.180 --> 02:21:32.319
becoming a starting point guard. Dylan Brooks.
02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:36.340
Devin Booker didn't have a super healthy or good
02:21:36.340 --> 02:21:40.120
season last year, and somehow the Suns won 45
02:21:40.120 --> 02:21:42.780
games. I don't know how that makes sense mathematically.
02:21:43.260 --> 02:21:46.379
Magic. Just magic. Yeah, that is what happened.
02:21:46.500 --> 02:21:49.459
And now they got Pat Spencer as well. Mark Williams
02:21:49.459 --> 02:21:50.739
is going to be out for most of the year. So the
02:21:50.739 --> 02:21:53.280
center is going to be the tough thing here for
02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:55.600
sure with having... Come on, Malawach. He was
02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:58.479
a really raw rookie last year that barely got
02:21:58.479 --> 02:22:01.459
any time. They're probably going to be starting
02:22:01.459 --> 02:22:03.280
him at center, to be honest. Either him or Osu
02:22:03.280 --> 02:22:07.559
Iguodaro. He'd be fun. Yeah. Like, just going
02:22:07.559 --> 02:22:09.760
from a college basketball perspective in my brain.
02:22:10.420 --> 02:22:13.829
But raw is a... Not a great thing to be when
02:22:13.829 --> 02:22:17.010
he's your, we don't, when they're your, I don't
02:22:17.010 --> 02:22:19.270
have another option at center, but I have this
02:22:19.270 --> 02:22:21.989
raw prospect. Yeah. But I guess you could argue
02:22:21.989 --> 02:22:23.590
that's what Milwaukee had to do with Giannis,
02:22:23.610 --> 02:22:25.229
and then he turned out to be pretty solid for
02:22:25.229 --> 02:22:30.190
him. Yeah, that's fair. Not putting him in the
02:22:30.190 --> 02:22:32.049
same category at all. Want to throw that out
02:22:32.049 --> 02:22:34.770
there. They're just collecting Duke Blue Devils.
02:22:34.790 --> 02:22:38.069
Yeah, exactly. Jalen Green is still on this team.
02:22:38.389 --> 02:22:40.430
Rashear Fleming was a rookie that I thought was
02:22:40.430 --> 02:22:42.069
interesting last year. He's like a defensive
02:22:42.069 --> 02:22:46.430
prospect. Duop Reef is one of my guys. Got to
02:22:46.430 --> 02:22:49.959
mention him. He's on this roster. Yeah, so, I
02:22:49.959 --> 02:22:52.100
mean, I just feel like this team is going to
02:22:52.100 --> 02:22:54.340
be, like they're going to suffer from the rest
02:22:54.340 --> 02:22:56.600
of the West kind of around them getting a little
02:22:56.600 --> 02:22:59.379
bit better. even though they didn't get a ton
02:22:59.379 --> 02:23:01.020
worse. I do feel like they didn't get better,
02:23:01.059 --> 02:23:02.700
though, with these additions that they made.
02:23:02.819 --> 02:23:05.819
They traded Grayson Allen and Royce O 'Neal for
02:23:05.819 --> 02:23:09.100
Miles Bridges, which we mentioned with the Hornets.
02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:13.379
But he's going to be on this team. So it honestly
02:23:13.379 --> 02:23:16.239
could be the collection of some of the most dislikable
02:23:16.239 --> 02:23:19.600
or unlikable players in the league, to be honest,
02:23:19.719 --> 02:23:23.670
with Miles Bridges, Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green
02:23:23.670 --> 02:23:26.780
you could add into that probably, actually. A
02:23:26.780 --> 02:23:29.520
lot of people don't like Devin Booker. I'm not
02:23:29.520 --> 02:23:31.860
one of them, really. I feel like people don't
02:23:31.860 --> 02:23:33.940
like Devin Booker for weird, stupid reasons.
02:23:34.020 --> 02:23:36.319
Not like they do things that are detestable.
02:23:36.459 --> 02:23:39.719
That's true. People think he's whiny and a crybaby
02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:45.639
and stuff like that. What was your final verdict?
02:23:45.739 --> 02:23:49.159
I did not get it typed out. Seeing as I'm three
02:23:49.159 --> 02:23:52.549
wins lower than them. On the line, I think I'm
02:23:52.549 --> 02:23:55.149
just going to go under. It might even be a lock,
02:23:55.350 --> 02:23:57.790
to be honest. Because I'm going to need to use
02:23:57.790 --> 02:24:01.090
my lock somewhere. But I also would... I'm kind
02:24:01.090 --> 02:24:02.770
of cheering for this team to be good. I feel
02:24:02.770 --> 02:24:04.709
like it would be fun. So I don't want to bet
02:24:04.709 --> 02:24:11.079
on their downfall that heavily. But what do you
02:24:11.079 --> 02:24:12.920
think? Are you feeling the under as well? I am
02:24:12.920 --> 02:24:15.700
going to go the under on this one. Because I'm
02:24:15.700 --> 02:24:18.540
like, oh, this team... I don't know. I just feel
02:24:18.540 --> 02:24:21.139
like... Someone has to catch the losses for the
02:24:21.139 --> 02:24:23.899
teams you feel good about. Yeah. And I feel like
02:24:23.899 --> 02:24:28.549
this is one of the teams that could do so. But
02:24:28.549 --> 02:24:32.090
then on the flip side, Devin Booker's kind of
02:24:32.090 --> 02:24:35.270
due for a semi -bounce -back year, from what
02:24:35.270 --> 02:24:38.790
I understand. It's honestly box score watching
02:24:38.790 --> 02:24:42.889
and basketball reference looking. I don't fully
02:24:42.889 --> 02:24:44.850
know. I didn't get to watch a whole lot last
02:24:44.850 --> 02:24:48.770
season. Devin Booker's good at basketball. at
02:24:48.770 --> 02:24:51.909
basketball, so you'd anticipate him bouncing
02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:54.940
back in some facet. Yeah, you would think. I
02:24:54.940 --> 02:24:56.799
feel like, I'm trying to remember the number
02:24:56.799 --> 02:24:59.639
exactly. It came back up to the mean a little
02:24:59.639 --> 02:25:01.920
bit, but for a while during the year, he was
02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:05.440
shooting below 30 % from three. Now, where he
02:25:05.440 --> 02:25:08.139
finished the year was at 33 even, which is actually
02:25:08.139 --> 02:25:10.040
just barely below what he was at the year before
02:25:10.040 --> 02:25:14.280
that. But both those numbers are below. His career
02:25:14.280 --> 02:25:17.139
average is 35. But for him to be able to pull
02:25:17.139 --> 02:25:19.649
that up from being that low, for like a healthy
02:25:19.649 --> 02:25:23.729
amount of time. Um, but yeah, that, uh, I'm still
02:25:23.729 --> 02:25:25.270
going to go the under, I'm going to mark it as
02:25:25.270 --> 02:25:29.069
a potential change. Um, because I still have
02:25:29.069 --> 02:25:32.430
a lock or a, I have two stay aways to you still,
02:25:32.489 --> 02:25:34.649
and I'm not sure where those will get put. So
02:25:34.649 --> 02:25:37.170
I'm just marking them as a potential thinking
02:25:37.170 --> 02:25:39.950
type of a thing, but in all likelihood, it's
02:25:39.950 --> 02:25:42.610
going to probably be a soft under, but, um, I'm
02:25:42.610 --> 02:25:45.530
just, uh, notating it. Yeah. And that'll do it
02:25:45.530 --> 02:25:46.889
for the Pacific. Correct. Do you want to take
02:25:46.889 --> 02:25:49.040
a quick break? Yes, we can do that. Do you want
02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:53.040
to recap the lines there? So going back where
02:25:53.040 --> 02:25:55.899
we are for the Pacific, the Lakers have a line
02:25:55.899 --> 02:25:58.360
of 45 and a half. I'm going under. Logan is going
02:25:58.360 --> 02:26:01.219
over. Clippers, 27 and a half. We're both going
02:26:01.219 --> 02:26:05.260
under. Warriors of 36 and a half. I'm going over.
02:26:05.659 --> 02:26:08.020
Logan's going under. I'm staying away from the
02:26:08.020 --> 02:26:11.200
Kings line of 20 and a half. And Logan is under
02:26:11.200 --> 02:26:13.180
on that line. And the Suns, we're both going
02:26:13.180 --> 02:26:16.860
under 38 and a half victories on the season.
02:26:18.260 --> 02:26:21.379
Precisely. So we will hit the final division
02:26:21.379 --> 02:26:23.600
after this short break. We'll see you on the
02:26:23.600 --> 02:26:32.440
other side. All right. Welcome back to the Hoop
02:26:32.440 --> 02:26:34.840
Theory podcast. Going to finish out the Western
02:26:34.840 --> 02:26:38.360
Conference as well as the NBA for the over -under
02:26:38.360 --> 02:26:40.899
picks heading into the season. We are on to the
02:26:40.899 --> 02:26:43.459
final division, which is the Southwest and starting
02:26:43.459 --> 02:26:46.979
with the Houston Rockets in this one. Their over
02:26:46.979 --> 02:26:49.959
-under line from FanDuel on this season is down
02:26:49.959 --> 02:26:54.030
at 48 and a half wins, which is. It's crazy looking
02:26:54.030 --> 02:26:56.569
back. Last year, 56 .5. I don't remember the
02:26:56.569 --> 02:27:00.850
number being that high, but it was. 56 .5 wins
02:27:00.850 --> 02:27:03.510
was their line last year. They ended up winning
02:27:03.510 --> 02:27:09.399
52, and I think I locked the under, I want to
02:27:09.399 --> 02:27:12.399
say, last year on that line. But this year, 48
02:27:12.399 --> 02:27:15.979
.5. The line that I have for them heading into
02:27:15.979 --> 02:27:18.819
this year is 50 .5, so I'm a little bit higher.
02:27:19.590 --> 02:27:21.930
I just think getting Fred Van Vliet back in the
02:27:21.930 --> 02:27:24.489
fold is going to be huge, as well as Steven Adams
02:27:24.489 --> 02:27:27.870
coming back healthy, both those being additions.
02:27:28.010 --> 02:27:30.610
And then Bruce Thornton they got in the draft
02:27:30.610 --> 02:27:32.909
as another point guard. I think this is also
02:27:32.909 --> 02:27:35.389
good for Reed Shepard as it puts him more into
02:27:35.389 --> 02:27:38.409
the position that is more his natural position
02:27:38.409 --> 02:27:42.129
as like an off ball, like undersized too, to
02:27:42.129 --> 02:27:44.010
play alongside another person who's more of the
02:27:44.010 --> 02:27:47.579
ball handler and initiator. using his shooting
02:27:47.579 --> 02:27:51.159
and spacing off the ball. And then Amin Thompson
02:27:51.159 --> 02:27:55.020
and Alperen Shengun developing more and more.
02:27:55.159 --> 02:27:57.639
And then Kevin Durant is still like an all -NBA
02:27:57.639 --> 02:28:02.040
level player as like the scoring leader on this
02:28:02.040 --> 02:28:05.680
team. So, and Imei Yudoka as the head coach there.
02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:08.879
I feel like this team is probably going to win
02:28:08.879 --> 02:28:14.000
50 games. I see them as like, them and Denver,
02:28:14.219 --> 02:28:18.270
maybe Minnesota. are like the main challengers
02:28:18.270 --> 02:28:21.549
that I see for the Spurs and the Thunder. If
02:28:21.549 --> 02:28:26.110
anybody is to dethrone one of those teams in
02:28:26.110 --> 02:28:28.809
the West, I think it's going to be maybe the
02:28:28.809 --> 02:28:31.930
Rockets, the Nuggets, or the other team that
02:28:31.930 --> 02:28:37.799
I just said, the Wolves. Wolves. Yeah. What do
02:28:37.799 --> 02:28:41.739
you think about this line and this team? I want
02:28:41.739 --> 02:28:44.360
to be optimistic because they do things that
02:28:44.360 --> 02:28:48.659
I enjoy so thoroughly. Yeah, that's true. Offensive
02:28:48.659 --> 02:28:53.180
rebounding and defense. That's really it. It's
02:28:53.180 --> 02:28:58.020
their whole identity. But it's just weird that
02:28:58.020 --> 02:29:00.540
they're relying on the people. They're simultaneously
02:29:00.540 --> 02:29:05.200
relying on youth to step up and old dudes to
02:29:05.200 --> 02:29:07.540
not get injured at the same time. Am I reading
02:29:07.540 --> 02:29:10.920
this correctly? Is Tyson Chandler on the roster?
02:29:11.120 --> 02:29:20.530
There's no way. How? He's 44. He's 44 years old.
02:29:20.690 --> 02:29:24.350
It says former. Why is he on the ESPN roster
02:29:24.350 --> 02:29:29.229
for the Houston Rockets? Because he is on the
02:29:29.229 --> 02:29:35.489
team. There's absolutely no way. Why did he?
02:29:37.700 --> 02:29:42.090
Spot track. I got to look at his contract. This
02:29:42.090 --> 02:29:45.790
can't be real. He's on the team. Because he hasn't
02:29:45.790 --> 02:29:48.620
played since COVID. Wait, no, no, no, he's not.
02:29:48.700 --> 02:29:50.420
No, he's not. He's not on the team. That was
02:29:50.420 --> 02:29:53.059
2019. I'm looking at his contract from 2019.
02:29:53.319 --> 02:29:56.260
It says inactive on SpotTrack. Why is he on the
02:29:56.260 --> 02:30:02.739
Rockets roster? Okay. I think that's just a mistake
02:30:02.739 --> 02:30:06.100
from ESPN. It's got to be. They accidentally
02:30:06.100 --> 02:30:08.200
marked him as active. He's no longer active.
02:30:08.379 --> 02:30:09.879
Yeah. Because I didn't think he played in the
02:30:09.879 --> 02:30:12.340
bubble. I thought he was done before that. That's
02:30:12.340 --> 02:30:13.579
probably around the time. He's currently with
02:30:13.579 --> 02:30:16.500
the Dallas Mavericks where he's training. The
02:30:16.500 --> 02:30:18.659
bigs, the bigs, essentially, as a player development
02:30:18.659 --> 02:30:21.280
coach. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. And that
02:30:21.280 --> 02:30:22.659
would be the franchise he would do it for, the
02:30:22.659 --> 02:30:25.299
one he won a title for? No, for sure. That makes
02:30:25.299 --> 02:30:28.239
sense. But Marcus Smart was an addition to this
02:30:28.239 --> 02:30:32.139
team. Tari Eason, he was out for most of the
02:30:32.139 --> 02:30:34.680
last year, so him coming back healthy also helps.
02:30:35.379 --> 02:30:37.719
Clint Capella is a good backup to Steven Adams
02:30:37.719 --> 02:30:40.219
that they have. They also got Bogdan Bogdanovich
02:30:40.219 --> 02:30:43.850
as an addition in the offseason. as just a shooter,
02:30:43.930 --> 02:30:45.350
which this is one of the teams that definitely
02:30:45.350 --> 02:30:48.350
needs some more shooting. So you can't go wrong
02:30:48.350 --> 02:30:52.170
there. And yeah, I really do think the Fred Van
02:30:52.170 --> 02:30:53.569
Vliet coming back is going to be the biggest
02:30:53.569 --> 02:30:57.530
detail. Also, yeah, the guard play that they
02:30:57.530 --> 02:30:59.729
didn't have at all last year, now they have Van
02:30:59.729 --> 02:31:02.670
Vliet and Marcus Smart as like two guys who can
02:31:02.670 --> 02:31:05.250
be point guards for them, which is going to be
02:31:05.250 --> 02:31:08.190
huge. And I feel like as Marcus Smart has aged,
02:31:08.209 --> 02:31:11.469
he's became less Marcus Smart. Yeah. Like he
02:31:11.469 --> 02:31:13.530
doesn't just... Mm -hmm. He's more patient. Yeah.
02:31:13.889 --> 02:31:16.989
Less shock. Doesn't just hook up things for the
02:31:16.989 --> 02:31:19.850
love of the game. Granted, some of those went
02:31:19.850 --> 02:31:21.450
in and it brought me more joy than anything on
02:31:21.450 --> 02:31:24.889
the planet. But sometimes they don't. Yeah. So.
02:31:25.729 --> 02:31:28.110
That's fair. I think I'm going to go under, I
02:31:28.110 --> 02:31:31.610
think. Ooh. That's crazy. Because do you remember
02:31:31.610 --> 02:31:35.930
at all, one year ago, our discussion in this
02:31:35.930 --> 02:31:38.229
section for the Houston Rockets? I'm assuming
02:31:38.229 --> 02:31:41.100
it was flipped. It was completely flipped. on
02:31:41.100 --> 02:31:44.819
like drugs where I was like, I thought that 56
02:31:44.819 --> 02:31:48.139
and a half was like an abominable line. And,
02:31:48.200 --> 02:31:50.620
you know, I was going way under on them because
02:31:50.620 --> 02:31:52.920
this was right after the Fred Van Vliet injury
02:31:52.920 --> 02:31:55.399
and everything. Yeah. And I was like, they don't
02:31:55.399 --> 02:31:57.100
even have a point guard. There's no way they're
02:31:57.100 --> 02:32:01.559
winning 57 games. And then you, on the other
02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:03.659
hand, were saying, I think you made the bold
02:32:03.659 --> 02:32:06.639
proclamation, which I haven't made a clip or
02:32:06.639 --> 02:32:09.909
anything out of this, but I might someday. That
02:32:09.909 --> 02:32:13.350
a men Thompson was going to be better than Kevin
02:32:13.350 --> 02:32:16.489
Durant. I remember this. He was going to be better
02:32:16.489 --> 02:32:18.670
than Kevin Durant this season. Offensively. I
02:32:18.670 --> 02:32:24.239
think I said offensively this season. So I would
02:32:24.239 --> 02:32:27.139
like people to know sometimes I am over. I don't
02:32:27.139 --> 02:32:30.200
ever lie, but sometimes I am over boisterous
02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:33.579
for the sake of the content for lack of a better
02:32:33.579 --> 02:32:36.299
term. I'm not lying. I thought a men Thompson
02:32:36.299 --> 02:32:39.299
would be improved offensively, but. Saying he's
02:32:39.299 --> 02:32:41.719
better than arguably the greatest natural scorer
02:32:41.719 --> 02:32:46.299
in the history of the NBA is kind of nuts. Yeah,
02:32:46.420 --> 02:32:48.680
that's crazy. That's crazy. So you're going over?
02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:50.719
Are you locking the over? I think I'm locking
02:32:50.719 --> 02:32:54.379
the over on the Houston Rockets. You know, barring
02:32:54.379 --> 02:32:56.600
like some major injuries. Also, it's crazy to
02:32:56.600 --> 02:32:59.120
lock the over on a team where like the chemistry
02:32:59.120 --> 02:33:01.799
is definitely a question mark. Well, that's another
02:33:01.799 --> 02:33:04.079
thing that's weird. Like, Shen Goon doesn't end
02:33:04.079 --> 02:33:06.059
the year on this team. I guess he probably does.
02:33:06.340 --> 02:33:10.149
But like... The vibes aren't good. Because of
02:33:10.149 --> 02:33:14.049
the whole Kevin Durant leaking text messages.
02:33:14.829 --> 02:33:19.590
Yeah. Yeah. That whole ordeal wasn't cool. And
02:33:19.590 --> 02:33:22.250
he seemed to have an issue. I think Shang -Goon
02:33:22.250 --> 02:33:24.190
was one of the players he talked about. What
02:33:24.190 --> 02:33:28.750
was the line that you set? 48 and a half. That
02:33:28.750 --> 02:33:31.809
I set was 50 and a half. Sorry. So you were two
02:33:31.809 --> 02:33:39.360
over. Yeah. My line was two over. So, yeah. I
02:33:39.360 --> 02:33:41.479
mean, I don't feel super strongly about the lock.
02:33:42.239 --> 02:33:44.860
But just the over, you feel pretty good about.
02:33:45.100 --> 02:33:49.129
I do feel good about the over. You said under
02:33:49.129 --> 02:33:55.319
correctly? Yes. I did also say it correctly English
02:33:55.319 --> 02:33:58.979
-wise. I did pronounce under correctly. That's
02:33:58.979 --> 02:34:02.280
good. Good to hear. Good to know. Now we're going
02:34:02.280 --> 02:34:05.819
to be moving on, I think, to the next team, which
02:34:05.819 --> 02:34:09.500
is the Memphis Grizzlies. Their line is 30 and
02:34:09.500 --> 02:34:12.940
a half, which is exactly where I had them. Their
02:34:12.940 --> 02:34:15.059
line last year was 40 and a half because John
02:34:15.059 --> 02:34:17.719
Morant was still like, you know, it was up in
02:34:17.719 --> 02:34:19.920
the air of whether or not he was going to play,
02:34:19.979 --> 02:34:24.459
but he was at least on the roster. But now this
02:34:24.459 --> 02:34:28.219
year they do not have Demetrius Jamel Morant
02:34:28.219 --> 02:34:32.579
Jr. Now they have Cameron Boozer, who, you know,
02:34:32.600 --> 02:34:34.000
I think is probably going to win rookie of the
02:34:34.000 --> 02:34:36.520
year. I think he's the odds on favorite. For
02:34:36.520 --> 02:34:39.379
that, him or Caleb Wilson, I would imagine. I
02:34:39.379 --> 02:34:42.920
think when we last checked, I think it was like
02:34:42.920 --> 02:34:45.500
a three. He was the one favorite, and then the
02:34:45.500 --> 02:34:49.129
next three guys were like 20 points under him,
02:34:49.170 --> 02:34:54.040
like in a group. But I think Boozer was the favorite,
02:34:54.360 --> 02:34:57.879
but barely, which I feel like is a correct read
02:34:57.879 --> 02:35:00.920
on the situation. He's a favorite by a skosh,
02:35:01.000 --> 02:35:03.680
but not by any kind of measurable margin. I think
02:35:03.680 --> 02:35:05.159
it's mainly because of the situation. He has
02:35:05.159 --> 02:35:08.360
the most wide -open opportunity. To just, you're
02:35:08.360 --> 02:35:11.079
the guy, do what you want type of a thing. I
02:35:11.079 --> 02:35:12.799
think Ty Jerome, I don't want to give this away
02:35:12.799 --> 02:35:14.739
because me and Jacob are going to be competing
02:35:14.739 --> 02:35:17.840
with one another in fantasy, but I think Ty Jerome
02:35:17.840 --> 02:35:21.700
is going to be a really, really sneaky add in
02:35:21.700 --> 02:35:23.639
a fantasy league because of how low he's ranked
02:35:23.639 --> 02:35:27.399
in everybody's leagues. I won't take him out
02:35:27.399 --> 02:35:29.979
of principle. He's just going to be definitely
02:35:29.979 --> 02:35:33.629
the leading guard on this team like the guy who
02:35:33.629 --> 02:35:37.129
has the ball in his hands the most um doing a
02:35:37.129 --> 02:35:40.329
impersonation of like a a lead guard or like
02:35:40.329 --> 02:35:42.989
a leading scorer on a team type of thing he might
02:35:42.989 --> 02:35:44.809
not average more points than Cameron Boozer but
02:35:44.809 --> 02:35:46.569
he's definitely going to average close to 20
02:35:46.569 --> 02:35:49.690
points per game I would imagine and that is Ty
02:35:49.690 --> 02:35:51.649
Jerome out of Virginia who bounced around the
02:35:51.649 --> 02:35:53.309
league quite a bit before he ended up finding
02:35:53.309 --> 02:35:55.989
kind of where he is part of that like title team
02:35:55.989 --> 02:35:58.909
with like Kyle Guy right Kyle Guy yep and DeAndre
02:35:58.909 --> 02:36:01.620
Hunter as well That's terrible that Kyle Guy
02:36:01.620 --> 02:36:05.299
is the guy I remember. Did he have a shot or
02:36:05.299 --> 02:36:06.959
something? I'm trying to make myself feel better.
02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:08.959
Just because there were so many guys that are
02:36:08.959 --> 02:36:11.299
actually NBA players on that team and Kyle Guy
02:36:11.299 --> 02:36:13.559
is not really one of them in terms of being a
02:36:13.559 --> 02:36:16.780
contributor. I would say the big three on that
02:36:16.780 --> 02:36:19.899
team was Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, and DeAndre Hunter.
02:36:20.079 --> 02:36:23.200
DeAndre Hunter. Yeah. Kyle Guy was a four -year
02:36:23.200 --> 02:36:25.600
senior. He played all four years, I think, though.
02:36:25.780 --> 02:36:27.780
That's also probably why my brain remembers that
02:36:27.780 --> 02:36:31.750
as opposed to the shorter, stinted. on that Cavalier
02:36:31.750 --> 02:36:35.430
roster. Yeah, that makes sense. But they also,
02:36:35.530 --> 02:36:38.450
in that John Morant trade, the Memphis Grizzlies,
02:36:38.469 --> 02:36:42.370
who I'm referring to here, they got Chris Murray
02:36:42.370 --> 02:36:46.149
and Jeremy Grant back for John Morant in that
02:36:46.149 --> 02:36:49.629
trade. I think Cedric Coward is going to also
02:36:49.629 --> 02:36:51.729
have a bigger role this year. They're going to
02:36:51.729 --> 02:36:54.549
be pretty reliant on Zach Eaddy down at the center
02:36:54.549 --> 02:36:57.549
spot. Quinton Post, though, is somebody they
02:36:57.549 --> 02:37:02.500
got as a backup. And also Isaiah Stewart. So
02:37:02.500 --> 02:37:04.459
never mind. I take back fully what I just said
02:37:04.459 --> 02:37:06.379
about they're going to be reliant on Zach Eady
02:37:06.379 --> 02:37:07.979
at center. I think they actually have some pretty
02:37:07.979 --> 02:37:11.620
good Zach Eady insurance in Beef Stew and Quentin
02:37:11.620 --> 02:37:15.120
Post as two very playable guys to put in there.
02:37:15.180 --> 02:37:18.040
So I don't like hate this team, to be honest.
02:37:18.079 --> 02:37:20.799
And this has kind of been like the NBA nerd darling.
02:37:21.959 --> 02:37:24.520
A lot of people have been pretty high on them.
02:37:24.579 --> 02:37:26.780
And I think their line was down like 27, 28 and
02:37:26.780 --> 02:37:29.719
a half before people really started talking about
02:37:29.719 --> 02:37:33.979
analyzing. Yeah. Now it's up at 30 and a half,
02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:36.040
which is, like I said, exactly where I have them.
02:37:36.559 --> 02:37:39.860
So I could see it going either way, to be honest.
02:37:39.940 --> 02:37:42.180
But I just feel like Cameron Boozer is such like
02:37:42.180 --> 02:37:46.600
a winning player. And they also have Taylor Hendricks,
02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:51.299
Gigi Jackson, Walter Clayton Jr. They've got,
02:37:51.440 --> 02:37:53.940
like, a good young team that I think could win
02:37:53.940 --> 02:37:56.920
games. And I'm interested to see more from their
02:37:56.920 --> 02:38:03.420
coach, Tuomas Isolo, who, like, early on did
02:38:03.420 --> 02:38:06.840
not seem like it was going well for him. Well,
02:38:06.840 --> 02:38:10.239
also, I feel like he was kind of the Jenkins.
02:38:11.329 --> 02:38:15.110
It just was such a weird. Yeah. Everything about
02:38:15.110 --> 02:38:18.510
it was weird. And I feel like it took. him and
02:38:18.510 --> 02:38:20.190
arguably the team a little bit of time to be
02:38:20.190 --> 02:38:23.389
like, what's going on? Yeah. And then I feel
02:38:23.389 --> 02:38:25.389
like it got figured out. I'm like, I don't think
02:38:25.389 --> 02:38:27.829
it's a negative, the coaching. I feel like it's
02:38:27.829 --> 02:38:29.690
a net, like this could be fun. We'll see how
02:38:29.690 --> 02:38:34.049
it goes type of a thing. That's for sure. I also
02:38:34.049 --> 02:38:37.129
did mention Scottie Pippen Jr. He's on this team.
02:38:37.190 --> 02:38:39.909
There's a good like backup guard and Cam Spencer.
02:38:40.270 --> 02:38:41.930
Like there's just like a lot of names here. I
02:38:41.930 --> 02:38:43.290
don't know if they'll play all these guys. Jalen
02:38:43.290 --> 02:38:45.909
Wells, he used to start for them a couple of
02:38:45.909 --> 02:38:48.950
years ago or last year, maybe. I hadn't mentioned
02:38:48.950 --> 02:38:51.280
him yet. So like, I don't know if they'll play
02:38:51.280 --> 02:38:53.479
all these guys, but they have like more than
02:38:53.479 --> 02:38:56.780
enough players to make out an NBA rotation. So
02:38:56.780 --> 02:38:59.719
I'm going to go the over, I think on 30 and a
02:38:59.719 --> 02:39:05.399
half wins as crazy as it sounds. I also have
02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:08.969
the over typed in. Oh, really? I did. Okay. I
02:39:08.969 --> 02:39:11.309
thought I was going to kind of have a zag there,
02:39:11.450 --> 02:39:16.579
but it's how I feel. And I don't know if it's
02:39:16.579 --> 02:39:19.219
as we continue to do more and more conversation
02:39:19.219 --> 02:39:21.219
with each other, our line of thinking becomes.
02:39:21.819 --> 02:39:24.420
More and more comparable. Not always, but a lot
02:39:24.420 --> 02:39:27.950
of the time. And it also might be because it's
02:39:27.950 --> 02:39:30.450
such a stark pivot from the Kings of us being
02:39:30.450 --> 02:39:33.829
like, this team's bad, but this is so bad. You're
02:39:33.829 --> 02:39:36.590
like, actually, I don't feel like this team is
02:39:36.590 --> 02:39:39.350
the worst ever. And so maybe it's the optimism
02:39:39.350 --> 02:39:42.010
in my brain. I'm also kind of under heavy in
02:39:42.010 --> 02:39:45.030
the West. So that's part of my other synopsis
02:39:45.030 --> 02:39:47.170
of thinking. That's true. Yeah, we both have
02:39:47.170 --> 02:39:51.989
been. I went under on every team in the Pacific
02:39:51.989 --> 02:39:54.809
other than the Lakers. And I didn't feel too
02:39:54.809 --> 02:39:57.870
strongly about the over for the Lakers. So yeah,
02:39:57.969 --> 02:40:00.430
I think we're just going to both go over here.
02:40:01.129 --> 02:40:03.010
I'm not going to lock it or anything crazy like
02:40:03.010 --> 02:40:07.120
that. That feels a little too insane. But moving
02:40:07.120 --> 02:40:10.000
on now to the San Antonio Spurs. Their line is
02:40:10.000 --> 02:40:14.459
at 60 .5. My line I have for the Spurs is actually
02:40:14.459 --> 02:40:17.280
quite a bit lower. But that's just mainly because...
02:40:18.530 --> 02:40:21.350
Thing with Wemby is, I mean, they were good last
02:40:21.350 --> 02:40:24.069
year, even without Wemby. So, you know, there's
02:40:24.069 --> 02:40:27.180
potential for that, but it's just a guy like
02:40:27.180 --> 02:40:30.100
Wemby with his stature. I can't feel great about
02:40:30.100 --> 02:40:32.760
him for sure. Having like a fully healthy season
02:40:32.760 --> 02:40:35.680
all the time. You know, you got to kind of expect
02:40:35.680 --> 02:40:38.600
there to be some lumps and bruises being taken
02:40:38.600 --> 02:40:41.680
and him having to sit out some games. So that's
02:40:41.680 --> 02:40:43.979
why I put the line down at 57 and a half, which
02:40:43.979 --> 02:40:46.200
is still a very, very high line. I must say.
02:40:46.940 --> 02:40:49.950
Yeah. but 60 and a half is where they have the
02:40:49.950 --> 02:40:53.620
line set from FanDuel. What are you, do you have
02:40:53.620 --> 02:40:57.690
an inkling either way here? I'm locking the over.
02:40:58.069 --> 02:41:05.559
Really? I, I, yes. For Luke Cornett? Partially.
02:41:06.040 --> 02:41:11.909
And I also just love everything else. Like, I
02:41:11.909 --> 02:41:13.770
feel like the Spurs have done a very good job
02:41:13.770 --> 02:41:17.719
building around Wemby, but not where. To be the
02:41:17.719 --> 02:41:19.979
level of contender they want to be, they're relying
02:41:19.979 --> 02:41:22.680
on Wemby, but a game in and game out, if they're
02:41:22.680 --> 02:41:26.159
playing an upper -tier NBA team, even if Wemby's
02:41:26.159 --> 02:41:30.079
hurt, they've built a team that can survive not
02:41:30.180 --> 02:41:32.799
at an insane win a championship level, but at
02:41:32.799 --> 02:41:36.299
a very good level in the regular season type
02:41:36.299 --> 02:41:39.680
of a team. With Luke Cornett, and now they have
02:41:39.680 --> 02:41:43.299
Terrace Reed as a rookie, who in the preseason
02:41:43.299 --> 02:41:46.450
has looked really good. So I think he's also
02:41:46.450 --> 02:41:48.649
going to be in the depth there at center spot.
02:41:49.649 --> 02:41:51.709
And just everything else around, like the guard
02:41:51.709 --> 02:41:53.670
depth they brought in, and obviously De 'Aaron
02:41:53.670 --> 02:41:57.190
Fox didn't look great in the finals and playoffs,
02:41:57.290 --> 02:41:58.629
I guess you could argue, last year when he was
02:41:58.629 --> 02:42:01.950
fighting. Was it hamstring, or is it just because
02:42:01.950 --> 02:42:03.590
he's fast? I thought it was a hamstring. He had
02:42:03.590 --> 02:42:07.219
a sprained ankle. He didn't look himself, but
02:42:07.219 --> 02:42:09.260
obviously you'd imagine he'd come back in some
02:42:09.260 --> 02:42:11.600
sort. And then the youth they have there all
02:42:11.600 --> 02:42:17.000
over the place, Stephon Castle. dylan harper
02:42:17.000 --> 02:42:21.600
yeah um just he's like i i'm better like i'm
02:42:21.600 --> 02:42:24.399
very high on dylan harper like no and i feel
02:42:24.399 --> 02:42:30.290
like if wimby misses 40 games they're very clearly
02:42:30.290 --> 02:42:32.809
not gonna hit 61 but if wimby only misses like
02:42:32.809 --> 02:42:36.649
15 games or 20 games depending on when they're
02:42:36.649 --> 02:42:38.889
timed yeah like i feel like there's a world where
02:42:38.889 --> 02:42:42.049
i mean I feel like the team around Wemby is very
02:42:42.049 --> 02:42:44.329
good. He's not alone. We always talk about how
02:42:44.329 --> 02:42:46.850
Wemby is kind of this pillar of insanity because
02:42:46.850 --> 02:42:49.309
he is. But the team around him is very talented
02:42:49.309 --> 02:42:52.309
as well. And I feel, I kind of like Mitch Johnson.
02:42:52.510 --> 02:42:54.489
I just feel like he's pretty good at what he
02:42:54.489 --> 02:42:57.129
does. And that's why I'm going the lock of the
02:42:57.129 --> 02:42:59.790
over. And I don't know where else to put a lock.
02:42:59.909 --> 02:43:02.129
So I'm going to do what makes my heart happy.
02:43:02.850 --> 02:43:04.909
You're okay. Yeah. So you're locking the over
02:43:04.909 --> 02:43:08.090
on San Antonio Spurs at 60 and a half wins. So
02:43:08.090 --> 02:43:10.850
you're saying they win at least 61. which they
02:43:10.850 --> 02:43:15.670
won 62 last year. 43 .5 was their line heading
02:43:15.670 --> 02:43:18.989
into last year, which was a crazy difference
02:43:18.989 --> 02:43:23.350
there. They also got the addition of Tobias Harris,
02:43:23.530 --> 02:43:25.670
so they have a real four. That was definitely
02:43:25.670 --> 02:43:29.170
a priority of theirs. One of the biggest, I'd
02:43:29.170 --> 02:43:31.729
say, tactical differences or the biggest tactical
02:43:31.729 --> 02:43:34.170
downfall that they had against the Knicks last
02:43:34.170 --> 02:43:37.670
year in the finals was the fact that they didn't
02:43:37.670 --> 02:43:40.819
have a real four man. That would have changed
02:43:40.819 --> 02:43:44.399
everything because that would have given them
02:43:44.399 --> 02:43:46.979
somebody to actually put on Carl Anthony Towns
02:43:46.979 --> 02:43:50.059
that wasn't Victor Wimbinyama, allowing Victor
02:43:50.059 --> 02:43:52.219
Wimbinyama to actually do what he does best and
02:43:52.219 --> 02:43:55.340
protect the paint, as well as somebody who could
02:43:55.340 --> 02:43:59.700
guard OG Ananobi was the other thing. They didn't
02:43:59.700 --> 02:44:03.920
have either. They had to really look around and
02:44:03.920 --> 02:44:06.000
try to find what they could put together with
02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:08.370
playing Julian Champagny. down there at the four,
02:44:08.450 --> 02:44:10.190
which in the regular season worked out, but he's
02:44:10.190 --> 02:44:12.909
just, he's way too much of like a two, three
02:44:12.909 --> 02:44:16.850
type size person to be like playing the four
02:44:16.850 --> 02:44:19.790
spot. Does not extend into the four. Yeah. Especially
02:44:19.790 --> 02:44:24.190
against somebody like OG Anobi. So I feel like
02:44:24.190 --> 02:44:26.649
Tobias Harris being added in there is a pretty
02:44:26.649 --> 02:44:29.549
good move. I don't know what their starting lineup
02:44:29.549 --> 02:44:32.049
is going to be though. I would imagine he's going
02:44:32.049 --> 02:44:34.469
to start there at the four, but I could see them
02:44:34.469 --> 02:44:36.469
sticking with like. you know, the starting lineup
02:44:36.469 --> 02:44:38.510
they had last year and just using Tobias Harrison,
02:44:38.610 --> 02:44:42.690
the more in the matchups they need him. But either
02:44:42.690 --> 02:44:46.610
way they, and they've got Devin Vassell as well
02:44:46.610 --> 02:44:50.590
in there. So Kelvin Johnson, sixth man of the
02:44:50.590 --> 02:44:53.190
year last year. Yeah. They've got a lot of players.
02:44:53.290 --> 02:44:56.290
I think Carter Bryant, who also, you know, is
02:44:56.290 --> 02:44:58.590
a promising young rookie played a little bit
02:44:58.590 --> 02:45:00.430
in the finals last year, which is crazy to say,
02:45:00.510 --> 02:45:04.270
but he's definitely a really athletic, like three
02:45:04.270 --> 02:45:07.479
and D looking wing. um, at the very least. So
02:45:07.479 --> 02:45:09.879
him having another year under his belt, one of
02:45:09.879 --> 02:45:11.420
the youngest rookies in the league, I believe
02:45:11.420 --> 02:45:14.239
last year, I think, Oh, like one year of development
02:45:14.239 --> 02:45:18.139
is going to do a lot in his game. So I could
02:45:18.139 --> 02:45:21.200
definitely see the case for the over on this
02:45:21.200 --> 02:45:24.000
one. And even though my line was quite a bit
02:45:24.000 --> 02:45:26.340
lower, it was more just like trying to hedge
02:45:26.340 --> 02:45:29.260
the bets of like, what if, what if they don't
02:45:29.260 --> 02:45:31.459
have a healthy year, you know, worst case scenario
02:45:31.459 --> 02:45:36.329
type of things. Yeah. But I think, For the sake
02:45:36.329 --> 02:45:40.309
of having a flipping pick here and 61 wins just
02:45:40.309 --> 02:45:43.840
being pretty high, I think I am going to take
02:45:43.840 --> 02:45:45.379
the under. Even though I don't feel good about
02:45:45.379 --> 02:45:48.639
that at all, I definitely feel like I'm going
02:45:48.639 --> 02:45:52.340
to lose this bet, which is crazy to say as I'm
02:45:52.340 --> 02:45:55.379
making it. But I will do that. I will choose
02:45:55.379 --> 02:45:58.819
the under here. Moving on to the Dallas Mavericks
02:45:58.819 --> 02:46:00.979
as the second -to -last team here. They've got
02:46:00.979 --> 02:46:04.729
a line of 32 .5 wins. for this season. And my
02:46:04.729 --> 02:46:07.190
line, wow, that's higher than I was expecting.
02:46:07.809 --> 02:46:13.319
32 and a half. My line is 29 and a half. I might
02:46:13.319 --> 02:46:17.479
be low on the Mavericks, I guess. I mean, I know
02:46:17.479 --> 02:46:20.700
obviously another year of Cooper flag is going
02:46:20.700 --> 02:46:23.979
to be big and obviously bringing Kyrie Irving
02:46:23.979 --> 02:46:26.420
back is probably the biggest thing there. But
02:46:26.420 --> 02:46:28.440
I just still feel like this team doesn't have
02:46:28.440 --> 02:46:33.020
a lot of like spacing. They've got a new head
02:46:33.020 --> 02:46:35.239
coach, I believe, right? Am I remembering that
02:46:35.239 --> 02:46:38.700
correctly? But yeah. Yes. Out of Michigan. Jason
02:46:38.700 --> 02:46:41.719
Kidd is gone. Now it is. Dusty May. Dusty May.
02:46:41.799 --> 02:46:44.770
Yes. Is his name. In the draft, they got Morris
02:46:44.770 --> 02:46:47.270
Johnson Jr. Out of Michigan as well, who played
02:46:47.270 --> 02:46:51.520
for Dusty May. Okay. Again, ESPN doing something
02:46:51.520 --> 02:46:54.819
weird. Quincy Acey is listed on the roster for.
02:46:54.899 --> 02:46:56.760
He is definitely not because I remember when
02:46:56.760 --> 02:47:00.649
he retired, we had a whole. on the podcast about
02:47:00.649 --> 02:47:04.090
it. Because I always mix him up with... Kyle
02:47:04.090 --> 02:47:07.409
O 'Quinn. Kyle O 'Quinn. And I'm always the one
02:47:07.409 --> 02:47:09.889
to remind you of who you mix it up with every
02:47:09.889 --> 02:47:14.110
time we bring it up. Yeah, Quincy Acey and Kyle
02:47:14.110 --> 02:47:16.809
O 'Quinn. But they've also got... Because one
02:47:16.809 --> 02:47:20.590
was a Sixer and one was a Knick, I believe. Yes,
02:47:20.649 --> 02:47:23.090
they both... Those are the teams that they mainly
02:47:23.090 --> 02:47:24.969
played for. I think Quincy Acey also played for
02:47:24.969 --> 02:47:27.360
the Raptors, I want to say. I just remember the
02:47:27.360 --> 02:47:30.760
crossover they had of those two teams and bald,
02:47:30.959 --> 02:47:34.059
bearded individuals. And Quinn being in their
02:47:34.059 --> 02:47:36.860
name. Quinn, that's probably a part of it. I'm
02:47:36.860 --> 02:47:38.379
sure we've had this conversation multiple times.
02:47:40.000 --> 02:47:42.180
Sergio de la Rea is another guy they got in the
02:47:42.180 --> 02:47:44.200
draft who seems interesting. I don't know if
02:47:44.200 --> 02:47:47.819
he's going to pan out exactly, but he looks fun.
02:47:48.780 --> 02:47:51.700
It has him listed as a forward, which doesn't
02:47:51.700 --> 02:47:54.559
feel right when you're watching him. He's more
02:47:54.559 --> 02:47:59.180
of like a... Ball -dominant kind of guard. Reminiscent
02:47:59.180 --> 02:48:01.520
of Manu Ginobili is kind of what he looks like
02:48:01.520 --> 02:48:02.940
when he's playing. Not saying he's going to be
02:48:02.940 --> 02:48:05.520
that good, but that's just what he looks like.
02:48:05.959 --> 02:48:08.739
Zachary Richer, they also got, who was the former
02:48:08.739 --> 02:48:12.000
number one overall pick. Najee Marshall, Caleb
02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.420
Martin. Dwight Powell is still on this team.
02:48:15.639 --> 02:48:18.120
He's the longest tenured player in the NBA, I
02:48:18.120 --> 02:48:22.590
believe, outside of Stephen Curry. I want to
02:48:22.590 --> 02:48:23.829
say that's right. He's got to be pretty close,
02:48:23.870 --> 02:48:25.780
right? He's been around for a minute. I think
02:48:25.780 --> 02:48:27.719
Dwight Powell has been on the Mavericks since
02:48:27.719 --> 02:48:31.030
2013, I want to say. And Steph would have been
02:48:31.030 --> 02:48:34.930
2011? Or 2014, actually. Is Steph 2011 draft
02:48:34.930 --> 02:48:39.809
or 20... 2009, I believe. 2009. Yeah. That is
02:48:39.809 --> 02:48:44.350
for sure correct. 09, because the Timberwolves
02:48:44.350 --> 02:48:47.389
had two picks right before Steph Curry. Yep,
02:48:47.469 --> 02:48:49.629
Johnny Flynn out of Syracuse and Ricky Rubio
02:48:49.629 --> 02:48:54.000
out of Spain. Yeah, the fact that they were both
02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:56.340
point guards also just makes that even funnier.
02:48:56.979 --> 02:49:00.840
But anyways, the Dallas Mavericks, 32 .5 wins
02:49:00.840 --> 02:49:03.959
is their line. I probably am going to go under
02:49:03.959 --> 02:49:07.059
here, I would think, just because of where I
02:49:07.059 --> 02:49:09.239
put their line. But now that I'm thinking about
02:49:09.239 --> 02:49:10.920
it more and looking at the roster, I definitely
02:49:10.920 --> 02:49:14.750
could see why other people put their line higher
02:49:14.750 --> 02:49:17.770
than I did. P .J. Washington is also on this
02:49:17.770 --> 02:49:20.729
team. Daniel Gafford. Derek Lively, I think I
02:49:20.729 --> 02:49:24.450
already said his name. Jet Howard, who I actually
02:49:24.450 --> 02:49:27.750
felt like could maybe pan out, but never really
02:49:27.750 --> 02:49:30.649
got a chance. Too much of a chance, I guess,
02:49:30.709 --> 02:49:35.030
in Orlando. So what are you feeling on the Dallas
02:49:35.030 --> 02:49:41.059
Mavericks? I'm staying away. I don't know how
02:49:41.059 --> 02:49:42.620
to feel, so I'm just going to use a stay away
02:49:42.620 --> 02:49:46.500
because I have it. That's fair. I could see this
02:49:46.500 --> 02:49:48.600
happening the more I think about it. Max Christie
02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:54.750
is also here. Um, but I, I think I'm going to
02:49:54.750 --> 02:49:59.440
go under here as you go to stay away. That'll
02:49:59.440 --> 02:50:01.739
be my move on the Dallas Mavericks. I just feel
02:50:01.739 --> 02:50:03.780
like there's, they're probably a year away from
02:50:03.780 --> 02:50:07.479
really, really like being a play in team, uh,
02:50:07.620 --> 02:50:12.069
level of a ball club. Uh, just because of, yeah,
02:50:12.110 --> 02:50:14.989
the spacing issues, also the health of like,
02:50:15.069 --> 02:50:18.040
I don't, Derek Lively has been. One of the most
02:50:18.040 --> 02:50:20.299
unhealthy players since he's entered the league.
02:50:20.360 --> 02:50:22.559
I think he played four games last year or something
02:50:22.559 --> 02:50:24.200
like that. Which is weird for what he is. You
02:50:24.200 --> 02:50:26.100
feel like he should be just a healthy strapping
02:50:26.100 --> 02:50:28.420
young lad. Yeah. For like what he does when he
02:50:28.420 --> 02:50:31.639
is healthy. And then he's just never fully available.
02:50:32.000 --> 02:50:35.340
Yeah. So, and without him, yeah, they've got
02:50:35.340 --> 02:50:37.340
Daniel Gafford, who also isn't super healthy
02:50:37.340 --> 02:50:40.200
on top of that. And a lot, it feels like they're
02:50:40.200 --> 02:50:42.239
always injured at the same time. It feels like
02:50:42.239 --> 02:50:44.459
that happens a lot. Santi Aldama. How did I skip
02:50:44.459 --> 02:50:46.469
over his name? I do remember them making that
02:50:46.469 --> 02:50:49.110
move, getting him from Memphis. So that's another
02:50:49.110 --> 02:50:53.010
big ad. I could see this happening the more I
02:50:53.010 --> 02:50:55.329
look at it. I think I'm going to go the over,
02:50:55.450 --> 02:50:58.350
weirdly enough. Even though I was three wins
02:50:58.350 --> 02:51:02.350
below on my line, I think I'm just going to go
02:51:02.350 --> 02:51:04.790
over on the Dallas Mavericks, just for the vibes.
02:51:04.809 --> 02:51:10.170
After further analysis. Yeah, exactly. So that'll
02:51:10.170 --> 02:51:13.959
be my pick here. Enough of the Dallas Mavericks.
02:51:14.000 --> 02:51:16.840
We can move on to the final team in the NBA.
02:51:17.000 --> 02:51:19.719
That is, it's fitting for them to be the final
02:51:19.719 --> 02:51:23.260
team in the NBA. That is the New Orleans Pelicans.
02:51:23.620 --> 02:51:26.379
Their line is at 28 and a half, which is exactly
02:51:26.379 --> 02:51:28.719
where I had it. Just because, yeah, there are
02:51:28.719 --> 02:51:30.860
like talented basketball players on this team,
02:51:30.879 --> 02:51:33.000
but even more than like every team we've said
02:51:33.000 --> 02:51:36.360
so far, it totally depends on whether or not
02:51:36.360 --> 02:51:38.540
they'll be available for playing basketball.
02:51:38.719 --> 02:51:41.700
If they all are, which is. 100 % not going to
02:51:41.700 --> 02:51:46.049
happen, then they might actually, you know, win
02:51:46.049 --> 02:51:49.309
like 35 or so games. Who knows? But that's like
02:51:49.309 --> 02:51:51.469
the best case scenario, which is very much not
02:51:51.469 --> 02:51:55.030
going to happen. So, yeah, that's why I don't
02:51:55.030 --> 02:51:59.090
feel very confident in it. Zion Williamson is
02:51:59.090 --> 02:52:01.209
definitely a big part of that with his health.
02:52:02.010 --> 02:52:04.649
And then, but, you know, pair with that with
02:52:04.649 --> 02:52:08.649
DeJounte Murray as well. they've got Bryce McAllen
02:52:08.649 --> 02:52:10.709
who weirdly enough has kind of had found a home
02:52:10.709 --> 02:52:14.090
here out in Nebraska after bouncing around the
02:52:14.090 --> 02:52:16.770
NBA a tiny bit before he landed here. He's this
02:52:16.770 --> 02:52:19.649
is where he's found his most success. Trenton
02:52:19.649 --> 02:52:21.989
Watford's on his team. Derek Queen was like,
02:52:22.030 --> 02:52:23.709
obviously the kind of story of last year as a
02:52:23.709 --> 02:52:27.590
rookie, but like Derek Queen and Zion Williamson,
02:52:27.649 --> 02:52:30.500
they pose like they're, they're just not going
02:52:30.500 --> 02:52:33.239
to be able to play on the floor together because
02:52:33.239 --> 02:52:37.239
of how they clash so much with one another. So,
02:52:37.260 --> 02:52:39.180
like, really what this is going to come down
02:52:39.180 --> 02:52:41.799
to is do they believe in Derrick Queen enough
02:52:41.799 --> 02:52:45.940
to just completely ship off Zion for a return?
02:52:46.040 --> 02:52:48.100
Obviously, that's not going to be all that great
02:52:48.100 --> 02:52:50.180
because there's not that much of a market out
02:52:50.180 --> 02:52:52.620
there for Zion. Yeah. Well, and I think that's
02:52:52.620 --> 02:52:54.719
the biggest thing is do they believe in Derrick
02:52:54.719 --> 02:52:57.559
Queen enough to be like, we just can't deal with
02:52:57.559 --> 02:53:00.100
this whole Zion thing anymore. And it's not that,
02:53:00.159 --> 02:53:02.819
like, if Zion gets healthy and he turns into
02:53:02.819 --> 02:53:04.639
what people thought Zion might be, but he's just.
02:53:05.209 --> 02:53:08.670
Not healthy has not shown any kind of ability
02:53:09.180 --> 02:53:12.959
to stay healthy because when he has lost, so
02:53:12.959 --> 02:53:17.030
when he was on the heavier side, he like just
02:53:17.030 --> 02:53:20.590
the sheer impact of his body landing caused issues
02:53:20.590 --> 02:53:23.270
over and over and over again. And then when he
02:53:23.270 --> 02:53:26.510
lost the weight, it appears that the rigmarole
02:53:26.510 --> 02:53:29.510
of a regular NBA season wore down his body. So
02:53:29.510 --> 02:53:32.450
he wasn't available. So like not to mention all
02:53:32.450 --> 02:53:37.360
the off court. Things. Yeah. It just feels like
02:53:37.360 --> 02:53:39.139
it. And honestly, I feel like that might be the
02:53:39.139 --> 02:53:41.700
most likely scenario is they just give up. They're
02:53:41.700 --> 02:53:43.260
like, okay, we're just going to cut our losses
02:53:43.260 --> 02:53:46.020
and try to move forward with a clean slate and
02:53:46.020 --> 02:53:48.079
get what we can, even though we know it's not
02:53:48.079 --> 02:53:50.840
going to be all that much, but just try to and
02:53:50.840 --> 02:53:54.540
move on. Yeah. If that's what it is, that's what
02:53:54.540 --> 02:53:59.489
it is. I can't even think of a team that's going
02:53:59.489 --> 02:54:02.549
to be wanting to roll the dice on Zion, to be
02:54:02.549 --> 02:54:05.450
honest. Not any kind of good measurable team.
02:54:05.610 --> 02:54:09.030
And I don't think it's so bad as the fact that
02:54:09.030 --> 02:54:11.610
the Pelicans will have to pay to get rid of Zion,
02:54:11.809 --> 02:54:17.399
but they won't get a return that makes you smile
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considering what they gave up to get to Zion
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type of a thing. But not great. I've got an under
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just as we've continued our conversation. I don't
02:54:31.590 --> 02:54:33.469
know how you feel about Logan, but I am currently...
02:54:33.909 --> 02:54:36.069
Sitting at under and I'm not going to budge.
02:54:36.069 --> 02:54:39.409
Yeah, I'm feeling the under as well. But, you
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know, just to name some other guys here, Benedict
02:54:41.370 --> 02:54:45.049
Matherin took a prove it deal to come here. Sadiq
02:54:45.049 --> 02:54:48.409
Bey had a pretty good season last year. Jeremiah
02:54:48.409 --> 02:54:50.969
Fears also as a rookie last year at the point
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guard. I mean, Herb Jones and Trey Murphy are
02:54:54.989 --> 02:54:57.989
both like, I mean, if they wanted to trade like
02:54:57.989 --> 02:55:00.069
somebody to get a good return, those would be
02:55:00.069 --> 02:55:02.790
the guys to trade like and every NBA team would
02:55:02.790 --> 02:55:07.329
like to add. Herb Jones or Trey Murphy. So I
02:55:07.329 --> 02:55:09.110
could definitely see that happening. But Carlo
02:55:09.110 --> 02:55:11.690
Makovic is another guy that I just kind of enjoy
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watching. I don't know if he's a real player
02:55:13.149 --> 02:55:15.850
or not, but he's just another Balkan big man
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with the stereotypical Balkan skill set. DeJounte
02:55:21.389 --> 02:55:23.110
Murray, as I mentioned before, is on this roster,
02:55:23.270 --> 02:55:26.729
but he's very, very unhealthy his entire career.
02:55:27.430 --> 02:55:30.149
So we'll see if that... Actually ends up translating
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anything on the court. And then Jordan Poole
02:55:32.510 --> 02:55:38.110
is also here. Did I skip over anybody? Christian
02:55:38.110 --> 02:55:42.200
Coloco. DeAndre Jordan is still with the Pelicans.
02:55:42.340 --> 02:55:44.239
I thought he was retiring, but he's still with
02:55:44.239 --> 02:55:46.520
the Pelicans, unless ESPN is rope -a -doping
02:55:46.520 --> 02:55:48.739
me once again. But that one's more believable
02:55:48.739 --> 02:55:52.200
than the other ones. Then Tyson Chandler playing
02:55:52.200 --> 02:55:56.450
for the Rockets. Eve Misi. He's also on this
02:55:56.450 --> 02:55:58.170
team. He was out for like most of last year.
02:55:58.290 --> 02:56:01.250
I kind of like him as like a rim rolling big.
02:56:02.110 --> 02:56:04.930
So yeah, I'm definitely going to lean the under,
02:56:04.989 --> 02:56:07.709
but this team is full of players that can put
02:56:07.709 --> 02:56:09.629
points up. I didn't like the addition of Jamal
02:56:09.629 --> 02:56:12.889
Mosley as their head coach, mainly just because
02:56:12.889 --> 02:56:15.750
I didn't like what I saw from Jamal Mosley in
02:56:15.750 --> 02:56:19.829
Orlando. And they just, for some reason, didn't
02:56:19.829 --> 02:56:22.930
decide to keep the interim head coach that they
02:56:22.930 --> 02:56:27.120
had there in James Borrego. After firing Willie
02:56:27.120 --> 02:56:29.399
Green, they had James Borrego and decided to
02:56:29.399 --> 02:56:31.979
go out and hire Jamal Mosley instead. That just
02:56:31.979 --> 02:56:34.399
didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Honestly,
02:56:34.459 --> 02:56:36.959
James Borrego getting fired in Charlotte didn't
02:56:36.959 --> 02:56:40.200
really make a whole lot of sense. And he's still
02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:43.159
not a coach in the NBA. I can't say still because
02:56:43.159 --> 02:56:46.219
he has been, but that feels crazy to me. I don't
02:56:46.219 --> 02:56:48.940
know why. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Anyway,
02:56:49.059 --> 02:56:52.260
did you end up saying an under? Is that what
02:56:52.260 --> 02:56:54.000
you're going with? Yeah, I'm going under. We're
02:56:54.000 --> 02:56:56.180
both going to go the under here. And so that
02:56:56.180 --> 02:57:01.709
leaves us with, I guess I have two of my locks,
02:57:01.850 --> 02:57:04.670
or my stayaways used and two of my locks used
02:57:04.670 --> 02:57:08.010
in the west. You have two stayaways. One stayaway.
02:57:08.350 --> 02:57:11.469
I have one stayaway remaining. Oh, yeah. Remaining.
02:57:11.469 --> 02:57:13.670
I'm tracking. You have one, yeah. Yes. My locks
02:57:13.670 --> 02:57:17.069
are done. My stayaway is not. Mm -hmm. So I have
02:57:17.069 --> 02:57:20.280
one of each to use. And I think I'm going to
02:57:20.280 --> 02:57:23.829
put it on the thunder. I don't want to copy,
02:57:23.989 --> 02:57:27.719
but looking at the teams that I have notated,
02:57:27.879 --> 02:57:30.219
the Thunder feel like the team that I'm going
02:57:30.219 --> 02:57:32.739
to place my stay away on. Oh, I thought you were
02:57:32.739 --> 02:57:35.520
going to say lock for a second. I don't have
02:57:35.520 --> 02:57:39.360
any locks left. Oh, yeah, duh. So Jacob is staying
02:57:39.360 --> 02:57:43.180
away on the Thunder at 61 .5 wins, which makes
02:57:43.180 --> 02:57:46.139
some sense for sure with how high that line is.
02:57:46.139 --> 02:57:48.020
It's just a high line, but I locked the over
02:57:48.020 --> 02:57:50.780
on the Spurs 16 .5. I think I'm going to use
02:57:50.780 --> 02:57:56.809
my stay away on the Spurs, actually. Spurs, yeah,
02:57:56.809 --> 02:58:01.690
60 .5. And then the other team that I will use
02:58:01.690 --> 02:58:05.170
something on, this one will be a lock. Phoenix
02:58:05.170 --> 02:58:08.899
could lock the under there. I could lock the
02:58:08.899 --> 02:58:10.620
under on Portland, which I really don't want
02:58:10.620 --> 02:58:13.239
to do, but that is a very high line for them.
02:58:16.440 --> 02:58:18.819
Utah at 37 .5. I kind of feel like they're going
02:58:18.819 --> 02:58:20.920
to make that, even though I used my stay away
02:58:20.920 --> 02:58:23.590
there. I might switch my, or you already did
02:58:23.590 --> 02:58:25.270
stay around the Kings. I don't want to, I don't
02:58:25.270 --> 02:58:28.829
want to copy you. I think what I'm going to end
02:58:28.829 --> 02:58:33.510
up doing here is going with the Phoenix suns
02:58:33.510 --> 02:58:38.969
and locking the under on that. And that's what
02:58:38.969 --> 02:58:43.770
my final answer will be. So to recap all of that,
02:58:43.870 --> 02:58:47.610
do you want to do the full, are we going to do
02:58:47.610 --> 02:58:50.680
the whole NBA? recap or i'll do the yeah i can
02:58:50.680 --> 02:58:52.479
do the full nba creep cap because we are out
02:58:52.479 --> 02:58:54.459
so okay jumping way back to the beginning of
02:58:54.459 --> 02:58:57.239
the episode the atlantic division the kings the
02:58:57.239 --> 02:59:00.280
knicks let's read here knicks 51 and a half i'm
02:59:00.280 --> 02:59:03.479
gonna go under logan's going over the 76ers line
02:59:03.479 --> 02:59:06.659
of 49 and a half i'm hate locking the under uh
02:59:06.659 --> 02:59:09.579
logan's just a regular under celtics 52 and a
02:59:09.579 --> 02:59:12.729
half i'm love Instead of hate locking, it's love
02:59:12.729 --> 02:59:15.930
locking. The over. Logan's just regular under.
02:59:16.049 --> 02:59:18.569
We're both choosing to stay away from the 46
02:59:18.569 --> 02:59:23.040
.5 line for the Toronto Raptors. And then the
02:59:23.040 --> 02:59:27.059
Nets, 25 .5. We are both going under. Not a lot
02:59:27.059 --> 02:59:29.489
of things going on in Brooklyn there. For the
02:59:29.489 --> 02:59:33.290
Central, the Cavs, 47 .5. I'm going under. Logan's
02:59:33.290 --> 02:59:36.129
locking me over. Logan's also locking me over
02:59:36.129 --> 02:59:38.610
of the Pistons, 48 .5 line. I'm regular over.
02:59:38.770 --> 02:59:42.649
For the Bucs, 24 .5. We're both going over. We're
02:59:42.649 --> 02:59:44.489
both also staying away from the Bulls' line of
02:59:44.489 --> 02:59:48.030
29 .5. The Pacers, 44 .5. I'm locking me over.
02:59:48.290 --> 02:59:52.190
Logan is a regular over, both anticipating Tyrese
02:59:52.190 --> 02:59:54.549
Halliburton, and I'm just praying it's perfect
02:59:54.549 --> 02:59:56.870
health for the lock. For the Southeast Division,
02:59:57.049 --> 03:00:00.329
to wrap up the East recap, the Magic at 43 .5,
03:00:00.469 --> 03:00:03.049
I'm staying away. Logan's locking me over. For
03:00:03.049 --> 03:00:06.010
the Hawks, 43 .5, I'm under. Logan is over. The
03:00:06.010 --> 03:00:09.110
Heat at 45 .5, I am over. Logan is staying away.
03:00:09.370 --> 03:00:12.870
The Hornets are 37 .5 line, I'm over. Logan's
03:00:12.870 --> 03:00:16.010
under. We're both over the Wizards line of 34
03:00:16.010 --> 03:00:19.309
.5. Moving now on to the West, we're both staying
03:00:19.309 --> 03:00:22.829
away from OKC's line of 61 .5, highest in the
03:00:22.829 --> 03:00:25.569
NBA, and just a lot of wins to get to. The Nuggets,
03:00:26.010 --> 03:00:28.729
47 .5. We're both choosing to lock the over.
03:00:28.989 --> 03:00:31.569
Logan out of tradition, me out of vibes. For
03:00:31.569 --> 03:00:34.530
the Timberwolves, 47 .5. I'm locking the over
03:00:34.530 --> 03:00:36.469
on the Timberwolves. Logan's just a regular over.
03:00:36.610 --> 03:00:38.889
For Portland, we're both choosing to go under
03:00:38.889 --> 03:00:42.170
on that 41 .5 line. And for the Jazz, I'm going
03:00:42.170 --> 03:00:45.250
under 37 .5, and Logan has chosen to stay away.
03:00:45.610 --> 03:00:49.110
For the Pacific Division, the Lakers, 45 .5 line.
03:00:49.170 --> 03:00:51.649
I'm going under. Logan's going over. We're both
03:00:51.649 --> 03:00:53.870
going... Under on the other team in LA of the
03:00:53.870 --> 03:00:57.309
Clippers at 27 and a half. The Warriors 36 and
03:00:57.309 --> 03:01:00.350
a half line, I'm over. Logan is under. The Kings
03:01:00.350 --> 03:01:03.049
at 20 and a half. I am staying away. Logan is
03:01:03.049 --> 03:01:06.010
under that line. And the Suns. We're both under.
03:01:06.069 --> 03:01:09.389
Logan's more confident at 38 .5 as he locked
03:01:09.389 --> 03:01:11.549
the under on that one. In the Southwest Division,
03:01:11.790 --> 03:01:15.149
Rockets, 48 .5. I am under. Logan's over with
03:01:15.149 --> 03:01:17.809
the lock. The Grizzlies at 30 .5. We're both
03:01:17.809 --> 03:01:20.270
choosing to go over. The Spurs, I'm locking the
03:01:20.270 --> 03:01:23.149
over of 60 .5. Logan's choosing to stay away.
03:01:23.250 --> 03:01:26.389
I'm staying away from Dallas, 32 .5. Logan is
03:01:26.389 --> 03:01:28.950
the over. And the Pelicans both think they're
03:01:28.950 --> 03:01:31.170
going to be pretty bad at 28 .5 and chose to
03:01:31.170 --> 03:01:34.579
go. the under. That recaps what I had on my sheet.
03:01:34.639 --> 03:01:37.040
Does that match yours? That matched exactly,
03:01:37.319 --> 03:01:40.860
word for word, what I had. So that'll do it for
03:01:40.860 --> 03:01:44.719
this episode. And that's like, yeah. How many
03:01:44.719 --> 03:01:48.040
years is this? Four? Five? Feels like. It's a
03:01:48.040 --> 03:01:50.399
healthy note. It's like an annual now. It's not
03:01:50.399 --> 03:01:52.639
just a thing we plan on doing. It's like an annual
03:01:52.639 --> 03:01:54.659
tradition at this point. Even when the podcast
03:01:54.659 --> 03:01:57.760
ends, we'll probably still do it in the corners
03:01:57.760 --> 03:02:02.950
of our basements, you know? My office is actually
03:02:02.950 --> 03:02:04.969
in a loft, which is arguably the opposite of
03:02:04.969 --> 03:02:08.350
a basement, but the sentiment still stands. I
03:02:08.350 --> 03:02:11.209
guess an attic would be the only other thing.
03:02:11.370 --> 03:02:15.950
The only attic space I have are these doors that
03:02:15.950 --> 03:02:21.329
I have access to in my loft. Oh. I feel like
03:02:21.329 --> 03:02:25.489
I am in at least in my in my abode, the opposite,
03:02:25.549 --> 03:02:27.750
the opposite. I guess maybe the addict is the
03:02:27.750 --> 03:02:30.049
opposite of like a crawl space, which would be
03:02:30.049 --> 03:02:33.809
beneath a basement. Oh, just some food for thought.
03:02:34.149 --> 03:02:36.430
But that'll do it for this episode. Hopefully
03:02:36.430 --> 03:02:38.809
everybody enjoys this NBA season that's going
03:02:38.809 --> 03:02:40.889
to be kicking off here in just a couple of days
03:02:40.889 --> 03:02:43.709
at 2 p .m., I believe, is the time, which is
03:02:43.709 --> 03:02:46.110
weird. But that's what's going to be happening.
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Thank you for listening. We love you. We appreciate
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you. Stay happy. Stay healthy. We will talk to
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you guys next episode. Peace.