Agent Kate Warne: The Woman Who Saved History

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Honourable mentions.
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Hello, Neil.
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How are you today, please?
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Oh, marvellous, thank you.
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On tiptop condition.
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Tip top?
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Yes.
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Wasn't that a type of cream that was available?
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Tickety-boo and pucker.
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Tickety-boo, I don't think tickety-boo was, wasn't it?
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Tip top was a type of cream that was available.
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Is it a pouring cream, I believe?
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I don't care.
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Enough enough about dairy products.
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We're here to uh join our listener, who hopefully is still with us, to talk about another Honourable Mentions.
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Or a single.
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Honourable Mention, please.
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That's it.
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Thank you very much.
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We will be going through the life of someone from history.
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Gives us quite a broad area to explore, who has done something quite extraordinary, but you may not have ever heard of them.
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So you're big hitters in history, people like Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn and George Washington.
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Genghis Khan.
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Genghis Khan, those sort of people we're all very aware of, aren't we?
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No.
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But in terms of these other people we're talking about, people are going to say, never heard of them.
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But you should have done.
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Feel the shamed listener.
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Because they deserve an honourable mention.
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They do deserve an honourable mention.
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That's what we are here to do, to set the record straight.
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Think of us as slightly odd historical superheroes, if you like.
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I think that's where that's that's probably where we are.
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I think so.
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I can see myself for doing that.
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I might get a t-shirt with that on it.
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Yeah, do that.
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Anyway, let's go.
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Hello, Neil.
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Hello, Steve.
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Thank you for joining me, and thank you for joining us, dear listener, again.
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Now then, we're going to open today's episode with a bit of a trivia quiz question.
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So can I ask you a question here?
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Hot shot, pop quiz.
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Hotshot.
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Okay, mate, please.
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Okay, mate.
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Okay, okay, my great mate.
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Can you please name for me by population?
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I'm not asking geographically, I'm not asking alphabetically, I'm asking by by population, that's the amount of people who live in these cities.
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Thank you.
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Can you please tell me the five largest cities in the United States of America, please go?
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Los Angeles has got to be one.
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It has, yes.
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Um I'm gonna say New York.
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Say it again.
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New York.
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New York, New York, so they named it twice.
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So I got you to do that and see what I did.
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Ha ha ha!
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Well done.
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Well done.
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Um Dallas.
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No.
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Oh but you are right in Texas.
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Detroit.
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You are right in Texas, Detroit.
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Detroit is at the other end of the country.
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I'm sorry.
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Let's go with Austin.
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You can't find a friend.
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It's in Texas.
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Oh no, but there is a city in Texas.
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Let me tell you, Neil, we have a problem.
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Well, what's the matter?
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No.
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Technical.
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Technical issue.
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No, we don't literally have a problem.
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It's a clue.
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It is a clue to the city for which you are searching your brain.
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Ah, Houston.
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Houston, we have a problem, yes.
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So we've got Texas, we've got New York, we've got Houston.
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Now then, Detroit is in Michigan.
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Yeah.
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But up that end of the country.
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Chicago.
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Chicago.
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Chicago.
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Chicago.
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Yes.
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Chicago.
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And you've got one more to get pleas out of those five.
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Las Vegas.
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Incorrect.
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Mr.
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Verda.
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Let's have a go with New Mexico.
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That's a state.
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Okay, fair enough.
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Let's go with Toronto.
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In Canada.
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I don't know.
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I can't remember the cities in America.
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I'm just trying to think.
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I'm just trying to rack my brain.
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I've gone for lost.
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Miami.
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Oh.
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Phoenix, Arizona.
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Oh.
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Phoenix, Arizona.
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You can cut that out.
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You can cut that out, surely.
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Edge it that out and make it look like it.
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That's it.
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Surprising that one though, isn't it?
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Phoenix, Arizona.
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It is very surprising, yes.
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It's it's put me off my feet.
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Yes, it's almost like it sort of rose from the flames.
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See what I did there as well.
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That's a Harry Potter thing, isn't it?
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Surely.
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Prisoner of Abs, whatever it was.
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Prisoner of I might be thinking of Aberdeen.
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Now, one of those five cities is going to be the primary location for our tale today.
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And that one is the first one you think of, if I threw some words out there like pizza, like Al Capone, like the St.
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Valentine's Day Massacre, like Chicago, like Illinois.
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It's Chicago.
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It's in Chicago.
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Well done, Neil.
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I've got it on the first clue, really.
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You picked up on my clues there.
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Really?
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I've got no idea.
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What's pizza got to do with Chicago?
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Chicago Tan Pizza.
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Oh, it's a brand, innit?
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Anyway, crank on a cracker.
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Yeah, I'm just trying to get some freebies.
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They're delicious and really quite easy to cook.
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Yes.
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Especially when they're when you cover them in tip top cream.
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Anyway, anyway, in contrast to our previous stories, today's story is about a woman, a lady, a female, if you will.
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Wow.
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That sounds like you sound like a dad from Friday Night Dinner.
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She was an amazing young lady, this person.
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I'm sure she would be.
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Because it's sent in America, because it's set in Chicago, because it's about a woman, we're gonna start and stop them with a bloke.
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As you would.
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And we were else.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Where else would you start a stone of such such magnitude?
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Such import.
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I don't know what I'm talking about either.
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If you will.
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Are you drunk again?
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Uh what's the time?
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Yes.
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No wouldn't.
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Yeah.
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Let me take you back in time to the year of our Lord, 1842.
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Wow.
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27.
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Yes, roughly.
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Nearly quarter.
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Yeah.
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We're looking at a tough Scotsman called Alan Pinketon.
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Doesn't sound tough.
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With a name like Pinkton.
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What, but Alan?
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Doesn't he?
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Al Capone?
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Yeah, but it wasn't Alan, was it?
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Was he not?
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I don't know, I don't think so.
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Alan Capone, doesn't it sound right, is it?
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He was Alphonse, I think, wasn't he?
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I don't know.
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But yeah, could have been, though.
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Could have been mistaken.
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Anyways, right?
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Our friend, um Alan Pinkerton, emigrated from Scotland to the United States.
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Okay.
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Now, he had a trade that he took with him.
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Um, and his trade was no, not Lego, it's a good guess.
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Yeah.
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Now then, Neil, we are real-life brothers, are we not?
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I believe so, yes.
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The real-life brothers from the same mother and further.
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Yeah.
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And our mother had a maiden name, which is a name before she got married, a surname.
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She didn't change your first name, but a surname before she got married.
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And that surname came from this trade that Alan Pinkerton, what he was that he was doing.
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You may have thought that our ancestors on my mother's side were making minis or anything like that.
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But no, that was very jeans for the guy called Lee.
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Lee Coopers, yes.
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Yes, that's another fine product that I'm open to being sent.
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But uh he was in fact making barrels, which is what a Cooper was.
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So So how come the Coopers don't make jeans then?
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Because they must have started out making barrels.
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They did, mate, yeah, but they got beaten to it by the Strausses, didn't they?
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Oh, okay.
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Fair enough.
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Eva did it.
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Anyway, right, this is what happened.
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Stop saying anyway, it annoys me.
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I then left Scotland and went to set up as a Cooper in Illinois in the US of States in a place called Dundee.
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Really?
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Do you think he sort of made a mistake?
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Do you think he sort of said got a taxi or something?
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Went, um, can I go to Dundee?
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And then this bloke did a ringer on him and sort of went all the way.
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Hold on a minute, we're going on the boat here.
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What's going on here, fella?
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Your ticket tip thing's racking up a bit.
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I wasn't expecting to spend about five pounds.
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I say a taxi driver, don't we don't we normally use a pedo?
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You seem to be going a very long way.
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He seems to go a long way.
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That's that that charge it up.
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I was expecting to spend a fiver.
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Who are you doing to me, you thief?
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So he ends up there in Dundee.
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Where's the iron brew?
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Where's the iron brew in the haggis and the nips and tatties?
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Yeah.
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What's going on?
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So we're talking now 1847 to five years.
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Five years it took him.
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What do the hell?
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That taxi driver knew what he was doing, didn't he?
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Christ.
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So five years of being there, and he was out in the woods gathering timber for his barrels, which you need to make.
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For he was a cooper.
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For he was a cooper, so he was making barrels, it's making them out of timber.
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You never guess what happened to him while I was out in the middle of the woods.
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He only stumbled across signs of a counterfeiting operation.
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Well, what would they put signs up?
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That's what I thought.
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That's silly.
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You wouldn't advertise it, would you?
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Counterfeit an operation this way.
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Yeah.
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Please enter the kitchen.
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Ridiculous thing to do.
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Anyway, you come across these signs to a counterfeiting operation.
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And not being one to pretend he hadn't seen what he clearly had seen, because he'd seen it, because they were signs.
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It's one of those things where you walk past and pretend that you're not looking.
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Pinkton staked out the gang at gathering some evidence.
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Ooh, what just like give them some meat?
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Stakes them out, like having fed them, staked them out like styrofoam cups on the dashboard of his Chevrolet while he wore a leather jacket that creaked on the leather seat behind him.
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Chewing gum.
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Chewing gum and his partner came back with some donuts and coffees.
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Just as he got them in, they started to make their move and they had to screech off a load of paper flying up behind them and threw a throw a pile of empty cardboard boxes.
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I don't know if they ever know apparently.
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That's brilliant, because that's what happens in the films.
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Screeching tires and what sort of stuff.
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So that's what happened.
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But well, when they pick a knife off when they pick a knife up off a blanket, but it still goes.
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What's all that about?
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Anyway.
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Not quite what happened because first of all, you went and got the local sheriff.
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And together they broke the gang and apprehended all involved.
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So he was in the car while the sheriff went to get the coffee and donuts in the styrofoam cups.
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That sort of happened.
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So af after that, our friend Alan Pinkerton became interested in police work and binned off life with the barrels.
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So forget all, I don't care.
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I don't care what skills I've got.
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I've got transferable skills.
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Nice.
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He thought to himself.
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Yeah, he is, didn't he?
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Yeah, he he can make barrels, he can solve crimes.
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You'd say he was a proper tradesman because he can turn his hand to anything.
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I think there's a TV series in that.
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A Victorian barrel maker that solves crimes in his spare time.
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Cooper P.I.
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in his big moustache.
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Don't think so.
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I think you're thinking about Taggart.
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Yeah, Taggart, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Mudder.
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They do like how people do the tough mudder.
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Now I think that sounds like a really difficult crime for Taggart to break.
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Oh no, there's been a tough mudder.
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From then on, Pinkerton became interested in police work, as we've said, and he served as deputy sheriff in two Chicago area counties.
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Wow.
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Obviously didn't even have qualifications in those days.
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Don't spread himself about, didn't he?
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What qualifications do you don't make?
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Well, I made some barrels and I broke a counterfeiting ring.
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Okay, you're in.
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So in he came.
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From then he became a special agent for the US Post Office in the city of Chicago.
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Chicago.
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That's it, Chicago.
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Chicago.
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In 1850, he then met a fellow upright and awful citizen who was an attorney at law.
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And his name was Edward Rucker.
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Who likes to fight then?
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He liked to fight.
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Why do you say he liked to fight?
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It was a fighter.
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Because he obviously he was a Cooper, and this guy's Rucker, so he obviously likes to fight.
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It's a bit of a ruck.
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That's a rugby phrase, isn't it, really?
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I can't tell you.
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Oh, is it a secret in Rookie Pink?
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Well, I can, I just don't want to.
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Rucker and Pinkton formed the Northwestern Police Agency.
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Ooh, they could have called it Rookpink.
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Well, after a year, Pink Pinkton Rucker.
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Rookpink.
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They both sound absolutely filthy, though, don't they?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I say ding dong.
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Fancy coming back to my place for a Pinkerton Rucker.
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It does sound positively filthy.
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They only had it for a year, then it was dissolved.
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Oh, not Anadine.
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What happened was that Edward was thrown out at the deal, and Alan's brother Robert came on board, and the Pinkerton National Detective Agency was born.
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Ooh.
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So it's PNDA.
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Because they like to abbreviate everything over there, don't they?
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PNDA, they do, yes.
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Hmm.
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Like FBI.
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They could have called it the the Pinkerton National Investigative Services.
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Hmm.
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Why would that spell, Stephen?
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Okay.
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Well, it's like Azda, innit?
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That's that's abbreviated.
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E in there.
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I need an E in there somehow.
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Yeah.
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Pinkerton Extraordinary National Investigative Services.
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Or exclusive.
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Exclusive.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What we need is a time machine, no button suggests these things.
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Yes, and they could say say, Stop, penis.
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Yeah.
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Later that year later that year, the brothers opened their headquarters 80 Washington Street in Chicago.
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I know that's quite a nice place.
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So that's confusing, isn't it?
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Washington.
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I used to know someone who lived at 82.
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Did you?
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Who was that, please?
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A guy called George.
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George what?
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George from Washington.
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George, George from Washington.
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Good imagination there now.
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Thank you.
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In 1855, Allen signed a deal to guard the Illinois State Railroad.
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And that was the first real that was the first big deal they did.
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The agency was taking its baby steps.
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But believe me, thanks.
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Believe me.
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Okay, I'll try.
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Yeah.
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It hadn't even got started yet.
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That's intriguing.
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That's better.
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That's better, thank you.
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That's intriguing.
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That's that better.
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Sorry.
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Sorry about that.
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So stop it.
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The Pinkerton National Detective Agency only went and grew to become the largest private law enforcement organization anywhere on I I meet you guessed this, actually.
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Anywhere on which planet?
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Wow.
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That's tough.
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I can't see them needing much on the moon and places like that and Saturn, that because there'd be the moon's nothing and the it's too hot for everything else.
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So it's got to be Earth, surely.
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It's got to be Earth and the Moon, isn't the planet?
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It's a moon.
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It's a satellite.
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But um every day's every day's a school, don't you?
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Eurostat is a satellite.
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Moon is a satellite, it's not a planet.
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Well, it doesn't be much TV, does it?
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Uranus.
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You are as well.
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The Pinkertons, the Pinkerton National Detective Agency, the PNDA, were hired to hunt down legendary outlaws like Jesse James.
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Yes, I like their songs.
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Like Butch Cassidy Sun and the Sundance Kid.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, never heard of them.
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They're also used with their espionage techniques to infiltrate.
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Espionage, don't you like that?
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That's alright.
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They're spying techniques.
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They're spying techniques.
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Uh what does he call it?
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Espionage and some of the that's the word you needed to form penis.
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Yeah.
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That'll just be childish, Neil.
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I won't spend too much time on that.
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But they were hired by likes of Andrew Carnegie.
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Oh.
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He has a deli.
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There's the Carnegie Deli, isn't there, near the Carnegie Hall, which we'd be named after him.
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Was it?
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Well, was he an actor?
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No, he was a wealthy businessman, wasn't he?
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He was a very wealthy man.
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I think he was probably the wealthiest man in the world at the time.
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But I don't know.
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But what they did at the PNDA was they broke the unions for people like him so he could basically crap all over his workforce.
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So they made him richer, but I suppose they got money out of it as well.
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And while they were doing all this, they even found time to invent which form of crime fighting technique.
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Um handcuffs.
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Well, that's a good guess, but no.
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Oh.
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Um disguise.
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Who?
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Oh.
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If you're thinking police officer strippograms, there's a clue.
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Okay.
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Truncheons.
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No, mugshots.
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Had nothing to do with police officer strippograms.
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It's just what I was thinking a year ago, and I so no, they invented the criminal mugshot.
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Well, you can get them now in Tesco's and other supermarkets that are available.
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And yeah.
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Yeah, you can.
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Whatever you're photo taken with a number in front of it.
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No, there's a little another French word, a sachet, you can get or packet, where you place it into some uh it's like a pasta based thing with with flavourings, and you place it into a mug and you pour hot water on it, and they call it a mugshot.
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That's a pot noodle.
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It's not a pot noodle, there's pot noodles in this in the pot.
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Okay.
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So I've mentioned Chicago Town pizzas and tip top cream, and you're going with mugshots.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Tomato and herb.
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Nice.
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And uh Lee Cooper jeans, which are quality.
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They are very good quality.
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They're very well made and lasts for a long, long time.
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And the fit is pretty much anyway.
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So there they were, these Pinkerton brothers sat on their high horse in 80 Washington Street.
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No, none of the invention of the mugshop, none of the capture of them, Jesse Jones, none of that would have been possible if it hadn't been for a lady called Kate Warren.
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Ooh.
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She sounds exciting.
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What's that you say?
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Please tell me why, Stephen?
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Please tell me why, Stephen.
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Okay, well, Kate Warren, Neil, is worth an honourable mention.
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Thank you very much.
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You're welcome.
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She took herself to see Alan Pinkerton in 1856.
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And introduced and introduced herself to him, probably saying those very words.
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Yeah.
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He told her outright that he had no place for a secretary in his typing pools.
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But she said she didn't want those sort of jobs.
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She wanted to be a detective.
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Detective work was rough, dirty, and dangerous, and certainly no place for a woman.
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Which is why no woman was doing it.
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Well, yeah, that is true.
00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:11.359
But she argued she can see things and hear things that he would otherwise be able to see and hear.
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Why?
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She's got superpowers.
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No, because she would be able to go places where no man would ever dare follow.
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Like um habadasheries and things like that.
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Well, like the ball.
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Yeah, yeah, that's another one.
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Let's face it, even today, women go off in groups.
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I don't know what they're doing there.
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I think.
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Yeah, they get to the toilet in pairs all the time.
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I don't know what it is.
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That's quite weird.
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You know those motorcycle stunt riders you get when they have about twelve of them on one motorbike?
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Yeah.
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I think that's how women arrange themselves on a toilet, so none of them have to touch it.
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I went to the toilet in pairs once and I got thrown out the greengrocers.
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Yes, where were we?
00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:09.519
We were going back to she was saying that no one will be able to follow her, no man will be able to follow her to the pillows and candles section of IKEA or the toilets or a habitashera, as you've said.
00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:10.319
Thank you.
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:11.440
That's right.
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Thank you.
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I've mentioned IKEA now as well, so if you're listening.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She said, who was going to suspect a woman of being a spy?
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She turned it back on him.
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That's what she did.
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Because he said, Yes, he said, he has no place for a woman.
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She said, well, exactly, no one's going to suspect a woman.
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Because it is no place for a woman.
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That's right, it is true.
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So give me a job.
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He said, I should cocoa.
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I'm not going to give you a job when women can't picture baseball without looking up their arms made of shoelaces.
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So I thought I thought was a bit sexist.
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It was sexist, isn't it?
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Yes.
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But then he gave it a thought, and he saw the opportunity, and he said, No, I'm going to give you a try, young lady.
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Wow.
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What a nice man.
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What a nice man.
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So Kate Warren became a lady detective.
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Ooh.
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Shouldn't L Dick.
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Is that how you're uh is that how you're going to phrase that?
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Yeah, that's what I'm going to do, use it.
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That's mine, thank you.
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That's probably why they didn't go with penis as the acronym for their company.
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Yeah, probably.
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But L Dick, that sounds something like the Spanish person would say, isn't it?
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With Brees Wayne and Dick Grayson were living in Spain, that'd be what is none as.
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Well, is that yeah?
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So probably get away with it.
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Kate Warren, do you remember Kate Warren?
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I've heard of her, yes.
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You just mentioned her a bit ago.
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Yes.
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Yeah, she she was born in 1833 in New York State.
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Right.
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And she grew up and she grew up in a large, impoverished family with a father who worked as a church minister.
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So she had a r she had a a sort of a religious background then?
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She did have a religious background.
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Thank you for that.
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Although she dreamt of becoming an actress, but this was vehemently opposed by her parents.
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It was what, opposed?
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Vehemently opposed.
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They were very strongly against it.
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They weren't having a lot of name of it.
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Thank you.
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They weren't having none of it.
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So she wanted to be an actress.
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They weren't going to let her.
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They were quite strict, etc.
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No, they said.
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As a young adult, by the age of 23, she found herself running the household and had been married and widowed.
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By the age of 23.
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So I'd imagine her mother must have passed on.
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Or moved.
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If they were that religious, she probably passed away rather than divorced or whatever, not a thought.
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And if she's um been married and widowed, then the old the old man brought not her father, but her husband would also have died.
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:54.880
And the clue I'm taking from that sentence is widowed.
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I'm taking it being windowed.
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Yeah, no, exactly.
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Pushed her through a glass pane or something.
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No, I think she'd been widowed.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know what happened to the family because she left them.
00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:16.880
And she went, she ended up in the uh Pington National Detective Agency persuading a pioneering investigator, ingenious businessman, to make her the first detective on their books.
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Well done and her actually tell a lie.
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The first female detective on their books.
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Okay.
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.440
She wasn't the first detective to even get a grip man.
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In fact, Neil.
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Yeah.
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He listened.
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Yep.
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She wasn't just the first female detective on the books of the National Pinkton Detective Agency.
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She was the first female detective in the whole root and tootin' shooting US of A.
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Wow.
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:50.240
Wow.
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:51.839
So there could have been others.
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:53.440
In fact, Neil.
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:53.759
Yeah.
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:54.400
What do you mean?
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:55.920
She was the first.
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.880
No, I mean there could have been others in the other parts of the world.
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:06.480
No, because she was the first rootin' tootin' shooting female detective in the whole wide world.
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:07.440
Wow.
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.200
But then again, how do you know?
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.559
Because she was taken on board to be undercover, if you will.
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:16.319
So how do we know that other countries hadn't already done this?
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.440
How do you know she was taken on board to be undercover?
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.400
Because um you told me.
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:31.279
You said she was an actress and she was there to be a detective, and she can get into places she can get into places where other people couldn't.
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:37.119
You're picking up little clues and things that I haven't verified as of yet.
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:37.759
Oh.
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:40.240
Anyway, you're right.
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.559
So she began well and she went over doubters, because there's going to be doubters, aren't there?
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:45.920
They're going to be the badly, yeah.
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.119
They're going to be the men, they're going to sit around, put you, put your knickers on, love, get us a cup of tea, that sort of behaviour.
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:53.440
That sort of sexist pigs, we call them.
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:53.680
Yeah.
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:54.799
Those sort of people.
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:56.559
So they'd have been there, wouldn't they?
00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:02.160
But she began to win them over when she busted open an embezzlement case that had gone cold.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:02.640
Wow.
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.799
So all these men in the winter.
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:05.440
No.
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.839
I mean gone cold by the fact that no one had been able to solve it.
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.759
So all these men together had drawn a blank, they're not been able to solve this case.
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.839
It was for$50,000 of your US dollars.
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.119
Quite a lot of money then.
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:21.920
It was just a lot.
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:22.559
It was lots of money.
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:28.079
So if you took that$50,000 and put it into today's money, how much do you reckon?
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:28.799
Oof.
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.000
Oh, that's got to be at least 30 quid.
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.240
It is at least 30 quid.
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.039
Yeah.
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.680
I would say 25 million dollars.
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.839
Well you do, oh, you are prone to exaggerate now.
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:40.880
I've told you that many times.
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:42.079
I do, yes, yeah.
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.599
Um two million US dollars today.
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.319
Ooh, I was only a digit out.
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.759
You're only a digit out, but also decimal point.
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.039
23 million, depending which way you look at it, I suppose.
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:55.759
Yes.
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:03.200
So all these male agents have been unable to crack this case, and she cracked it just as you said she would.
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.160
By going undercover, as you said she would.
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:06.880
Yeah.
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.039
And winning the confidence.
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:13.119
And winning the confidence of the wife of the chief suspect.
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.279
Ooh.
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:16.480
Nice.
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:25.119
So what she did, she went undercover and swapped her New York state accent for a flawless southern bell twang.
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:26.799
Wow.
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.599
Well like bong.
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.640
No, like y'all and sugar and that sort of stuff.
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:35.680
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.160
It's you just a cute bar of the sugar.
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.279
That kind of that kind of thing.
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.079
Roscoe Pico train.
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:51.920
So what she did, she ingratiated herself with the bezler's wife, who was from Alabama.
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:53.279
She's down that way.
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:54.160
So it's quite handy.
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.000
Yes, it's quite close for her, isn't it?
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:56.960
It's quite handy she did that.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.480
It's lucky they did that there, because otherwise she'd have been a right mess, wouldn't it?
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.200
Yes, otherwise her accent would have been a bit out of place.
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.000
Yeah.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.480
She'd been sent to Paris or Germany or somewhere.
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.440
Exactly, yeah.
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.400
But she wasn't.
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:14.799
She was in um, she was talking to this lady from Alabama, and she ingratiated herself, sweet home Alabama.
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:15.920
Who did that?
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:16.880
Oh no.
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:18.640
Lynard Skinner.
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:28.400
Anyway, the wife felt safe enough to share a little secret that gave the whole game away and told her what her husband had done with the money.
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:29.039
Wow.
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.119
So well done, Henry.
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:39.119
So Kate, like a chamon, she was quite calm, you know, like a karma, karma chameleon, you would say.
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:50.160
She managed to take this information back to her bosses, having transformed herself into a Southern Bell, now transforming herself back into a Kate Warren everybody knew.
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:57.680
And re-relay them this information, which ended in the arrest of this nefarious couple.
00:28:57.920 --> 00:28:58.160
Wow.
00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.039
That's good.
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:00.079
That's good work.
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.319
So the Pinkerton brothers were impressed.
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:08.880
In 1860, Kate was given sole charge of a newly created female detective bureau.
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:09.519
Ooh.
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.279
Is that A FI?
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.240
No, that begins with an F.
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.119
That's the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:17.920
Oh, okay.
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.359
I often wonder what that stood for.
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:19.839
Thank you.
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.319
Not the Female Detective Bureau, which has the first letter, but not the other two.
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.880
But otherwise, it's a good good guess.
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:34.960
In this female Detective Bureau, she was able to recruit other women and oversee the opening of branches right across the USA.
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.519
So they had some had some faith in these boys.
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:38.559
Yeah, they did, didn't they?
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.160
Invested a lot of money in her.
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:49.200
In fact, Alan Pinkerton said that Kate was a rather commanding person and with an ease of manner that was quite captivating at times.
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.400
She was calculated to make a favorable impression.
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.599
He sounds like he's got a bit of a soft spot for her.
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.640
What he was saying there was Kate was bare bossy fam, but she knew how to flex and he had good vibes, though, you feel me?
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:03.920
Oh, right, okay, yeah.
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:04.319
Yeah.
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.400
Glad you're talking my language now, yeah.
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:07.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:07.519
Yeah.
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:09.200
So that's what he was saying there.
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:10.079
Yeah.
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.960
He would tell anyone who'd listened that Kate Warren had never let him down.
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:16.400
Not once.
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:17.440
Not once.
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.680
Never let him down.
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.440
Even when he sent her across the road to start, but she came out in the right order.
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.119
That's what that takes from doing, because normally you forget by the time you walk in the door.
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:27.599
I do.
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.839
She she never let him down.
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:30.640
Wow.
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:37.440
And now we reach the part of the story that really takes a twist.
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.680
Well, not twists.
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:40.720
Are you ready for this?
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:41.680
Yeah, go on then.
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:43.599
Let's twist again.
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.240
Let's twist again like we did last summer.
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:46.559
Yeah.
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:52.240
In f in February of 1861, a chap called Samuel M.
00:30:52.480 --> 00:31:02.160
Felton, who was president of the Philadelphia, Wilmington, and Baltimore Railroad, informed the Pinkerton agency of a deadly plot.
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:03.519
No, they didn't.
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.119
How do they know?
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.599
I think it was like another it started strangling people.
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:10.799
Ah, right, yeah.
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:11.759
Could have been, yes.
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:12.720
That's probably what it meant.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.039
Yeah.
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:14.319
Oh, yeah, that's good.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:20.160
We're we're both running up the wrong dog leg, or whatever they say here, because our friend Samuel M.
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:36.480
Felton had received a tip about, and I quote, a deep-laid conspiracy to capture Washington, destroy all the avenues leading to it from the north, east and west, and thus prevent the inauguration of in the capital of the country.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:47.039
Now the of and the gap there relate to an incoming president who would be err Abraham Lincoln.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.079
Correct.
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.400
Wow.
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.200
So the the little tip-off he had.
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:54.400
How do you know?
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.200
I think you can go and see it in the Smithsonian Museum.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:58.079
Oh, okay.
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:03.599
Was about an uh plot to assassinate Abraham Lincoln.
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.839
So he could get into places that she could have got into.
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.759
Well, look, you've got the tip-off.
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.279
Oh, that's a good point.
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.160
Yeah, perhaps this one was discussed in a mail toilet.
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.039
Yeah.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.799
Or in the in the power tool section of a DIY show.
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.519
Somewhere like that, on the terraces of a football match.
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.279
Somewhere like that, I should imagine.
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.960
You wouldn't have heard this in the in the pillow section of IKEA.
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:29.599
No.
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.920
This was top stuff.
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:42.400
So Kate said that she suspected that the secessionists, and that's what we're going to call these people, because they wanted to secede from the United States of America.
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:43.039
Okay.
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.920
This is this is pre-Civil War.
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:48.799
Yeah.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:33:01.519
So she said that she suspected they would strike in Baltimore as it was the only slave-holding city aside from Washington, DC itself, that was on the president-elect's journey.
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:03.599
So she worked that one out.
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:05.359
So that was her suspicion.
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.000
She went undercover to unravel the plot.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:14.160
She went all the way to Baltimore, posing as a squirrel.
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:15.599
No.
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.839
To be a clue, she's done it before.
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:19.039
Oh, okay.
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.799
Um an actress.
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.400
A Southern Bell, if you will.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.319
Yes, a Southern Bell, if you will.
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.200
She's only got one sort of routine and a reparte, really, isn't she?
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.240
Yeah, but when it's that good that even people from that area can't pick out that you're putting it on.
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.279
Well, true.
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:36.799
Do you need to deviate?
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.279
Do you need to have range?
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:40.319
You don't need to have to be.
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.799
But, you know, it's that good.
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.079
You've got to be good at it because you can slip, can't you?
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.960
You can, I don't know, you can bang your toe and go, oh.
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.039
Do it in your your own accent.
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:02.799
And everyone says, What?
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:03.920
Oh no, sorry.
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.400
I meant goodness gracious me, sweetheart.
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:07.759
Hop, bang.
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:14.320
She used two aliases while she was um uncovering this plot of these secessionists.
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:14.639
Yeah.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.760
One was Mrs.
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:16.719
Cherry.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.199
And one was Mrs.
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.159
Bowley.
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:21.440
Okay.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:34.800
And she attended several parties and spoke loudly in favour of the secessionist states and became friendly with the wives of the men who were intent on killing Abraham Lincoln.
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.639
That's a bit risky, I think, because she got in deep, then she did get in deep.
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.559
She was rolling in the deep there.
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.519
But if you went to several parties, what is the risk?
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:53.360
What are the chances that someone at one of these parties can say, Oh, look, there's Mrs.
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.000
Cherry.
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:55.679
And someone else said, What are you on about?
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.239
That's Mrs.
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.239
Jarry over there.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.119
Yeah.
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.719
How'd you get around that?
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:01.360
Disguised.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.119
The mustache or something.
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.000
Yeah.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:04.960
Exactly.
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:06.079
That's what I'd have done.
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.119
It did work.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:18.400
And while she was there, she uncovered a plan that Abraham Lincoln would be attacked on the afternoon of February the 23rd, 1861.
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:20.320
Wow.
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:25.360
So not only did she unveil a plausible plan, but she had a date and everything.
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:25.920
She didn't.
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.679
She did well.
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:29.280
The girl did good, didn't she?
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.239
She did do good.
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:36.639
What the plan was was that they were going to pass through the part of Baltimore, the rail station there.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:37.679
Yeah.
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:44.800
And then while they were there, a fight would break out, resulting in all the police officers rushing towards this kerfuffle.
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:45.679
Yes.
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.599
Well, you would do as a police officer, wouldn't you?
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.119
You'd think, well, better sort that out.
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.840
But Lincoln would be left entirely unprotective at the mercy of the session.
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.440
If you knew what you're doing, you'd probably think to yourself, Well, we've got someone quite important here.
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.039
We'd left would leave one person here to look after him, make sure he's alright.
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:01.840
I would.
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.159
But then, you know, I'm I'm cruelly I'm sort of criminally minded like that.
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:06.639
I'm brilliant.
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.159
You're a you're a professional.
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:08.719
Yeah.
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.119
Yeah.
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:09.679
Yeah.
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:10.159
Yeah.
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.880
I I saw a documentary once about Abraham Lincoln that he was a vampire hunter.
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:16.719
So probably he could look after himself.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.440
I don't know.
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:18.559
Okay.
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:34.559
That all these these uh secessionist people had also chartered a small steamship which was sitting in a nearby river, and then they would head to this steamship and flee and travel immediately to the state of Virginia.
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:36.320
So they had it all worked out.
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:37.599
They had it all worked out.
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:37.920
Yeah.
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:38.800
Didn't they?
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:39.679
Yeah.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:41.280
Traction, murder.
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:42.639
Driver ready and everything.
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:43.920
Exit, yeah.
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:50.400
On a steamship, steam paddle ship that would have chugged its way to Virginia quite slowly and leisurely, I'd have thought.
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.519
But there were the times.
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.599
Perhaps down the Mississippi, would it be?
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.000
No.
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.239
That's perhaps where they started it from, and the big boats with the spinny things at the back.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.639
I don't think the Mississippi is in Baltimore, is it?
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:03.039
Oh, don't.
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.719
And if you want to know what went down.
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:05.840
Yes, please.
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:07.599
Here's what went down.
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:20.320
The Pinkton National Detective Agency snupped Lincoln into a Baltimore aboard an overnight train from Philadelphia that arrived at 3.30am.
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.880
So they were getting ahead of the game there, weren't they?
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:23.440
Yes.
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.159
Yes, the those people weren't even ready for it.
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.679
They were probably still asleep.
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:33.039
The president elect pretended to be the disabled brother of his carer.
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.639
So he was in disguise.
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:40.320
And his carer was uh don't know, perhaps that Kate probably was it?
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:41.599
Yes, Kate Warren.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.760
Well done.
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.599
I thought you were going to say Tom Cruise or something, but no, it was it was Kate Warren.
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.760
No, Tom Cruise wasn't around back then.
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.239
It'd be more like Tom said.
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.119
Lincoln wore a loose-fitting overcoat and a felt cap that was pulled down low over his face.
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.719
Did he have to pull a face and sort of make himself look all crooked?
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.440
I'd imagine he probably did to carry off the full subterfuge.
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:07.599
Yeah, of being disabled.
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Perhaps he sat on one leg.
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:10.480
Well, what happened?
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.000
Kate had a shawl draped over his shoulders as if to keep him warm.
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:21.840
So for her, she was so calm and natural in her role as a humble caregiver and sister, dressed to the part, obviously.
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:30.480
But she was his sister, not not his not his proper nurse, but I'd imagine she by this stage she'd probably dropped the seven bell.
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:31.679
Seven bell, Mrs.
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Cherry.
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She'd probably gone for Mr.
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.440
T or something at this point.
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They could have got them involved, really, couldn't they?
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Because they would have done it all themselves.
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They would have sorted it out.
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Because they used to do all that sort of thing, they'd go against vigilantes and stuff.
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They did.
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Yeah, I'd have got all of the Pinkertons, I'd have got the A-T, because there's only four of them there as well, weren't there?
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:54.000
Well, do you know what?
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Before boarding the train, Kate had gained the train conductor's sympathy and secured an entire sleeping car for her and her brother, as well as their two companions, who happened to be Alan Pinkerton, and his personal bodyguard, a man by the most fantastic name of Ward Hill Lamon.
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Nice.
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That's a Prophet American name.
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That's a problem.
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I would imagine he was a Le Mon bit at the end of it.
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I don't know, that's still quite.
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It was Lemon, they're just trying to make it sound posh.
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Like cremon glaze and all that rubbish.
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He was a big fella, I can imagine him.
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I can't imagine him being quite small.
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He was a bodyguard as well.
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I'm warred.
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I'm war.
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Exactly.
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But these were the early days of train travel.
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Right.
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So there was no such thing as reservations.
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It's basically a pylon.
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So you bought your ticket to get onto the train.
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Yeah.
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But then it was just a free for all just the way you got on, and it was that wear and everything.
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Like Ryanair.
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Like Ryanair, precisely.
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So I'm beginning to think that perhaps you did drop a Southern Bell accent.
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Dick go for a Mr.
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T.
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Yeah.
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She'd have said, Get up my cabin, fool.
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I ain't gonna know she had a cabin, sucker.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, similar to that, yeah.
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So she managed to secure this, all the odds she managed to secure them this cabin all to themselves by uh chance.
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Nobody realised that the incoming president of the United States, who was under threat of assassination, was on board the overnight train as it safely chew chew chewed its way all the way into Washington, DC, arriving at 6 a.m.
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Wow.
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So he's already in there.
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So these secessionists were completely formed.
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Yeah, weren't they?
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Just they'd been like, oh, darn it.
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Darn it, he's not even here.
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We've talked of this distraction.
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We've got this steam boat.
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And he's not here, what's going on?
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:48.960
That bloke looks a bit like Lincoln.
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Go beat him up.
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It'll do.
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It's said that Kate Warren remained alert and didn't sleep a wink for the entire journey.
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.840
So like Red Bull or something like that, maybe just to keep her going.
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Or she painted some eyes on her eyelids.
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.079
What they used to do in Tom and Jerry.
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The Pinkerton agency had a very famous slogan, which was a big eye, and underneath it it said, We never sleep.
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And it is said that Alan Pinkerton got the idea for that slogan from Kate Warren's attitude of that evening.
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:24.719
Nice.
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So she was key to I don't.
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No, yeah, that's fine.
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.679
I'm just I mean I'm just intrigued by that.
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That's very intriguing.
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Very intriguing.
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She was key to the foiling of the Baltimore assassination plot.
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.000
So she basically saved the United States as we know it now.
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As we know it today.
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.559
Yes.
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She well, she basically saved all sorts of things, really, the world as we know it today, because as we know, the Civil War turned into a war of abolition and slavery.
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:00.159
We've now had a black president and uh all sorts of things.
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.960
So she probably saw that and knew all that's gonna happen.
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.280
She she was integral to all that sort of thing going on.
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:11.760
That's some that's some um That's an achievement you put on your CV, in it.
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.719
That's something you slap on your CV, yeah.
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.800
So she was key to foil in this plot.
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:23.760
Not only did she help uncover its details, but she helped plan and carried out the arrangements to smuggle Lincoln into Washington.
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:30.000
She couriered secret information and set up meetings as well as securing the necessary four berths on the train.
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:40.800
So without her dedication, skill planning and protection, there was every reason, as you have already alluded to, Neil, my friend, that Abraham Lincoln might not have made it out of Baltimore alive.
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:41.760
Wow.
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.159
Wow, so Lincoln himself a lot, didn't he?
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:58.400
Well, he did, and he said, I believe it has not hitherto been one of the prerequisites of the presidency to acquire in full bloom so charming and accomplished a female relation.
00:42:58.719 --> 00:42:59.280
What?
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:00.639
Nah, fam.
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.159
It ain't been a must for a top dog to roll with such a pain and sordid sister up in the mix, innit?
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.440
Ah, right, thank you.
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:07.920
Yeah.
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.840
That's what he was saying.
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:10.239
Yeah.
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.880
And for her part, Kate said, Mr.
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:18.320
Lincoln is very homely and so very tall that he could not lay straight in his berth.
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.840
They talk funny, didn't they?
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.559
Mundane Lincoln's bare basic as well, thank you, bro.
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.880
Like he can't live in lie in his crib or nothing.
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.239
Ah, that's better.
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:26.559
Thank you.
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:27.280
You got it?
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:27.519
Yeah.
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:28.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.000
So, yeah, that's basically what they were saying of one another.
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:38.000
As you know, and you're probably about to tell me, the US Civil War starting in April 1861.
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.320
That was just on the edge of my lips.
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:41.039
Was it?
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:41.920
I thought it might have been.
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.079
Yeah.
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.800
Union Army commander George B.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.840
McClellan appointed Alan Pinkerton as his chief of intelligence.
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:50.800
Nice.
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.920
So he got a nice little well done pat on the head.
00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:01.920
Kate Warren, meanwhile, operated in the Confederate States at a huge risk to her own life again, posing as a Southern Bell.
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.679
Passing on information back to her boss, Alan Pinkerton.
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.320
So she kept herself out of the papers as well, then?
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:15.519
Well, she was a bit of a celebrity for the stuff she did around Lincoln and that, but she wasn't huge.
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:24.960
She, for example, the stories about the Lincoln Rescue, or you want to call it, or smuggling operation, didn't make any mention of her at all.
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:31.199
The Pinkerton Agency received much publicity, but those reporters made no mention of her.
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.119
Is that because she was a female?
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:34.239
Who can say?
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.400
Most probably, yes, I'd imagine.
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.599
That's wrong, innit?
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:38.719
That's wrong, innit?
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.280
The Pinkton Agency received much publicity.
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:48.239
Kate Warren was a pioneer, though, not just for female law enforcement, but for law enforcement and techniques in general.
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.599
This is this is what her her real power was.
00:44:52.000 --> 00:45:00.400
She she understood that power didn't rest with making people look at you, but in making sure they don't see you at all.
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.800
Ooh, so she did have special powers.
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:07.360
She knew, as you said at the very beginning, that no one's going to suspect a woman.
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.679
They might be suspicious of all sorts of things, but they won't be suspicious of me.
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:12.960
And she was right.
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:13.599
She was right.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.599
She was able to do all sorts of espionating.
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:19.280
Don't worry about it.
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:19.679
Okay.
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.639
So yeah.
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.599
She lived uh a tragically short life, though.
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.199
Have you got some tissues there?
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.239
Sounds like you need them.
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:27.599
Well, it's exciting.
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:28.960
Yeah.
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.039
No, this is the tragic bit, Neil.
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:32.000
You might get a bit upset.
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:39.519
She lived a very short life and died of pneumonia in her mid-30s on January the 28th, 1868.
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.480
That's unfortunate.
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.159
It's unfortunate for her, isn't it?
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.320
But she she was a pioneer.
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.320
She did open doors for women in law enforcement.
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.519
So she probably did get a chill from that very first case that had gone cold.
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:52.559
She may have done.
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.920
That's that's that's not any of the research I've found, but that's a very good observation.
00:45:58.159 --> 00:45:58.639
I know.
00:45:58.960 --> 00:45:59.920
You're welcome.
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.079
Pingerton, Alan Pingerton, was at her bedside when she died.
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.159
Yeah, I told you you had to do it for her.
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:13.440
And he arranged for Kate to be buried in the Pingerton family plot in Chicago at the Graceland Cemetery.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.519
Now that's not the Graceland you're thinking of.
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.039
I was gonna say, what near Elvis?
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:18.960
No, he wasn't around then, though, was he?
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.199
No, and it was also Tennessee, wasn't it?
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.440
Yeah, but not in Chicago.
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:24.079
Okay.
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.079
That's perhaps where he got the name from.
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.159
Chicago, Chicago.
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:29.760
Well, who got the name from?
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:30.719
Elvis.
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.360
Well, Gracelands was the name of the mansion, wasn't it?
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:33.920
He didn't know that.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:34.400
Yeah, that's right.
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.519
That's where he got the name from.
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.320
It was already on that called that when he bought it, I think.
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:38.800
Hmm.
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.480
Well that because of it.
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.360
This isn't about Elvis, for once.
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:44.800
Everything's about Elvis.
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.239
Keep Elvis out of your mouth.
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:53.760
So this is the woman who quietly altered the history of the whole world as we know it, as we've already discussed.
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.599
What a woman.
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:56.639
What a woman.
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:57.440
It's amazing.
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:03.519
That has uh actually is an astounding story because yeah, that was she's got some guts.
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:05.519
She had some balls.
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:06.320
Didn't she?
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:06.639
Yeah.
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.400
She wouldn't, she was a woman, but yeah, unless she can pretend that she had some balls.
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.559
I wasn't being literal, you fool.
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:13.519
Oh, okay.
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:27.119
Anyway, thank you, dear listener, for joining us on this travel back through time to hear about the amazing Kate Warren and indeed the Pinkerton Agency, because we did spend a bit of time in their company, didn't we?
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