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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer right over there with a very special in-studio guest.
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Speaker 2: He was part of Trump's campaign here in Indy in 2016. You can find him all over television with Fox 59, CBS 4, part of their political coverage. He had a busy night on election night. Tony Samuel is with us. And if there's ever a time where I feel like a conservative probably needs to have a drink to kick off a segment, it would be this one after those results, my friend. Cheers. Here we go.
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Speaker 1: Lift him up. Hmm.
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Speaker 2: That was good. What was that? Smooth. Oh, the All-Star. Is that Drew's? Drew Storen's. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Field of Dreams. That was really good. All-Star whiskey. 30 distilleries mixed in one bottle. That's great, man. Woo! Thank you. Word to your mother, as Allison would say.
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Speaker 1: Callback there. Good callback.
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Speaker 2: All right, Tony. Million dollar question.
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: What happened on midterms? What happened in Indiana?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of bad stuff. You know, I think the biggest factors, of course, there was the national wave, but in Indiana, a little different because you didn't have a U.S. senator or governor on the race.
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Speaker 2: You had Bobai.
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Speaker 3: And looking at just Marion County, for example, Bobai got 185,000 votes. And then, you know, the others, the statewides for treasurer and and State Comptroller got 186 and 187, Mears got 184, the Sheriff's candidate got 186, whereas it was like 132 four years ago. So, you know, all of those, and then you had straight party voting, 126,563 Democrats straight voting, and only 40,726 Republicans. So I think you had Democrats come out in full force, they were united, and I think some Republicans voted for Bobai.
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Speaker 2: It has to be that way. So let's go to Marion County. And OK, I get it. The biggest star Indiana Democrats have was on the ballot. The biggest Republican stars were not. You didn't have a Jim Banks. You didn't have a Governor Braun or any one of those folks didn't have Todd Rikita. This was their guy. But you look at the margin of victory. In all of the Marion County races where a candidate has to pick up all of Marion County, sheriff's race, prosecutor's race, they're all pretty much equal, 65-35, give or take a few points there. That feels like that's just the registered voter difference right there. Can any Republican in the near future win Marion County or is it lost?
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Speaker 3: It would be very tough. I'd hate to say that it's lost. If you had a great candidate, someone with some name ID locally, and money to spend, maybe not the type of money Jefferson Shreve spent, a few years ago running for mayor, but.
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Speaker 2: You know, I went to crap down his own leg. Like that's what was so frustrating. Jefferson had the money. He's Mr. Moneybags. He's Scrooge McDuck. He dives into a pool of all gold coins every night, but he also came out and was like, yeah, I'm going to be a gun grabber. And Joe Hawk sets crime policy is just fine. Well, that's not good. That's crapping down your leg. And that's what was frustrating.
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Speaker 3: Well, if there was a well-funded Canada that had the right message that, um, He was a rookie campaigning at that point and made mistakes, like you're saying. I don't want to give up on it, but it's tough. I will say that Philip Faust, and you guys had him on. I was talking about him quite a bit. I was helping him. He did get more votes than any other candidate that was running in Marion County. Philip got 74,677. Max, for example, got 54,565.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 3: So Philip outperformed Max.
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Speaker 2: By a lot. Outperformed Max by a lot.
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Speaker 3: Elise and Daniel Elliott. And then outperformed Tom Vaughn, the sheriff's candidate, just by a little bit. 28.84% to 27.98%.
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Speaker 2: But that's still terrible.
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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, that doesn't, there's no comfort in that.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, it was just a tough night all around. And that Those bovine numbers transferred to the county and local races, but also to the state legislature where you had in Marion County, for example, you had incumbents Bob Boehning and Andrew Ireland and Julie McGuire all losing their state rep seats. because of those Bo Bai.
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Speaker 2: So let's go to the donut counties here because everybody talks about Hamilton County. I'm not surprised at that turnout that had been trending blue for a number of years. A lot of the woke wine moms have migrated to Hamilton County. It is what it is, but Hendricks County, Hendricks County going not only for Bo Bai, but defeating Elise Nishala. I think Daniel Elliott is, was one of the only big names that survived a vote in Hendricks County. But Boone was another one. Boone went bow-bye, and it went against Elish Nishala. It went against Daniel Elliott. What's going on in these counties?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad. My wife and my mom and I voted early on Saturday, two days, three days before the election in Whitesound, the Whitesound Municipal Center. And we had about an hour-long wait in a gym there, and You could just tell the looks on people's faces.
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Speaker 2: They were pissed.
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Speaker 3: I think it was a lot of it was an anti-Trump vote and coming out for Boba and maybe it was an anti-Republican vote in general. So those those areas, Boone County, Hendricks County, that was a shocker. They're they're turning as well. So Republicans have to, you know, do a better job of getting their message out.
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Speaker 2: I don't think. What are they pissed at Trump about?
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: These guys. Take your pick.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I did want to share this. When I started in 2015, you know, rooting for Trump and then got involved in the campaign, I remember early on, like, I'm on an airplane. I'm reading a magazine. Maybe it was Time or something. And there's an article about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Trump sparring. And I was like, why would Trump be in a fight with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the former basketball player? Well, then you read the article and find out Kareem's an activist. Somebody must have put him up to attacking Trump first. Trump, you know, hits him back harder. Then they complain about Trump hitting back harder. But this kind of thing has gone on. You've seen this demonization of Trump. And it's not, I mean, yeah, people hate Trump. Trump derangement syndrome is real. But it's because these people are kind of manipulated. Their minds are a little, not a little, but they're manipulated to think that, Trump is bad when it's the people manipulating them that want to change the country and want to ruin the country. Trump's the target, the easy target, but they'd still be doing this stuff if Trump wasn't the president, right? All the bad policies, all the bad things. They're doing the opening of the borders, defending ICE.
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Speaker 2: But Trump did make mistakes, though. Like, I voted for Trump three times. You know, I'm a Trump guy, but let's not act like he hasn't made mistakes here. You got into this Iran war. Now, people can argue whether or not that was the right thing to do, but I think we can all agree the length of this thing. It being something that's been dragging on and on, especially after a dominant first day where you killed the Ayatollah, you took out a bunch of targets. It seemed like this was going to be in and out.
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Speaker 1: He could have ended it. I feel like that's just my opinion. My Trump could have ended the war. And still didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Tony, did Trump feel like he could make a deal with these lunatics?
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Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about it before, maybe not for a little while. If he did, that was a mistake. If he really thought, I can make a deal with them, that was never going to happen.
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Speaker 2: I've said that.
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Speaker 3: You guys have said that. That was never going to.
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Speaker 2: Because of their theology.
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Speaker 3: They're just radical, fundamentalist Islamists. And they were dragging it out. They've done that to Obama. They've done it to past administrations.
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Speaker 2: Now, if he.
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Speaker 3: knew that if he tried to end it, and it took ground forces, and he didn't want to get stuck for six months, and then election day comes, and we've suffered some losses here and there, and that's an even worse narrative, that could be it. That's the only reason I can think of. We'll see what happens next, but yeah, I agree. It dragged out for whatever reason too long.
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Speaker 2: One more thing on Indiana before we take a break, then we'll talk about some things that happened around the country, Texas, Ohio, and whatnot. Could it be, I'm trying to look at the glass half full here, right? If you're a Republican voter. Good luck. The fact that there's a legit Democrat challenge now, will this actually make some of these Republicans, oh, I don't know, act like Republicans again? Because I feel like they got very comfortable. And again, the Rod Bray group and the little minions under him, even to the point where you get into the House, Todd Houston for a little while, They didn't want to listen to the taxpayer. They wanted to raise our taxes on a number of things. And this is kind of the result of that, I feel like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's got to be a change in the mindset. And they do need to make sure they're paying attention to the voter, but explaining what they're doing better. The messaging, I think, is a huge problem. And they just need to get out. And when I worked for Brian Bosman as communications director, We would go around the state and we would have town hall meetings and and we would explain what we're doing. First, we were in the minority and then we took the majority and we made all the changes that we talked about when we were in the minority. That's not happening with the legislative leadership right now. And hopefully it will.
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Speaker 2: Tony Samuel is with us. Samuel Solutions Group. He's our go-to for Indiana politics around here. You were on TV quite a bit on election night with Fox 59 and CBS 4, and what was that vibe like up there?
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Speaker 3: Well, to my right was Robin Winston, former Democrat state chairman, and to my left was Christina Hale, former Democrat State representative. And they were giddy.
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Speaker 1: Big smiles on their faces.
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Speaker 3: They were giddy. Now, all I could think about was two years earlier. Sure. It was my night and Trump won big. And they were gracious two years ago. So I was this time around and we're all, we get along.
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Speaker 2: How does it happen?
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Speaker 1: Like, Trump won huge swing states everywhere two years ago, and now it's the complete opposite. Now, Trump wasn't on the ballot, obviously, but the down ballots, it was just a shellacking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's such a big deal whether he's on the ballot or not. And then, of course, in the presidential year, you get a higher turnout, and that turnout goes heavier for the Republicans the higher you get. But he tried to tell people, pretend I'm on the ballot. It just didn't work. You know, he was right to do that. He was right to try redistricting. He knew this was going to happen and what the consequences would be. But Republicans just didn't get out and listen. And now we're going to suffer the consequences. And I think you will have buyer's remorse pretty quickly and you won't have Democrats trying to work with. He's offered to work with them. That's not going to happen. They're going to impeach. They're going to obstruct. It's going to be ugly.
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Speaker 2: So we've got a couple of minutes left here. Biggest surprise for you on election night. I said I thought it was Texas. I knew it would be close. Texas has been, you know, rumored to be turning blue every year. But at the end of the day, I didn't think Tallarico would be the guy that J.R. Ewing would go out and vote for.
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Speaker 1: Or the governor, for that matter.
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Speaker 2: Or Governor Abbott. I mean, they went full blue in Texas. That was the biggest surprise to me. What about you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the margin, like in the last few days, I started thinking, well, maybe Tallarico has a shot. But I still thought Mike Rogers in Michigan was going to win. So both of those and the margins, especially for Tallarico. And like you said, the governor beating the I forget her name because nobody really knows a lot of these people's names. But but defeating Abbott and then also, yeah, sad what happened in Michigan. Although, you know, I will say that it does speak to my point earlier. You get a lot of people that are pissed off. and they, they vote for the personality and the rhetoric. The Democrats had no plan on affordability. They didn't express any kind of policy goals. They just hate Trump. And they said that over and over again. And the people that have been, I'll say brainwashed over the last 10 years, uh, fell for it.
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Speaker 2: One minute left here. JD Vance done. Is he toast after what we saw take place on midterm night?
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Uh, I think he's still got a shot. Um, You know, I also wonder about Rubio. And during the break, you were mentioning DeSantis, who's doing a lot of things now to get, you know, his message.
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Speaker 2: It feels like Rubio and DeSantis are the two that get mentioned more often than anybody. But it used to be Rubio and J.D. Vance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And after that shellacking on Tuesday, as you called it, I feel like that might have also been a referendum against Vance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be tougher for him because the folks that are going to blame and there's going to be people that are blaming Trump. I know they're they're doing so um they're going to tie him to that and i think he's trying to distance distance himself a little bit but i don't know that that will work
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Speaker 2: That's tony samuel samuel solutions group joins us every thursday talk a little indiana government and maybe take a shot or two with us absolutely my man we appreciate you
Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer right over there with a very special in-studio guest.
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Speaker 2: He was part of Trump's campaign here in Indy in 2016. You can find him all over television with Fox 59, CBS 4, part of their political coverage. He had a busy night on election night. Tony Samuel is with us. And if there's ever a time where I feel like a conservative probably needs to have a drink to kick off a segment, it would be this one after those results, my friend. Cheers. Here we go.
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Speaker 1: Lift him up. Hmm.
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Speaker 2: That was good. What was that? Smooth. Oh, the All-Star. Is that Drew's? Drew Storen's. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Field of Dreams. That was really good. All-Star whiskey. 30 distilleries mixed in one bottle. That's great, man. Woo! Thank you. Word to your mother, as Allison would say.
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Speaker 1: Callback there. Good callback.
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Speaker 2: All right, Tony. Million dollar question.
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: What happened on midterms? What happened in Indiana?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of bad stuff. You know, I think the biggest factors, of course, there was the national wave, but in Indiana, a little different because you didn't have a U.S. senator or governor on the race.
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Speaker 2: You had Bobai.
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Speaker 3: And looking at just Marion County, for example, Bobai got 185,000 votes. And then, you know, the others, the statewides for treasurer and and State Comptroller got 186 and 187, Mears got 184, the Sheriff's candidate got 186, whereas it was like 132 four years ago. So, you know, all of those, and then you had straight party voting, 126,563 Democrats straight voting, and only 40,726 Republicans. So I think you had Democrats come out in full force, they were united, and I think some Republicans voted for Bobai.
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Speaker 2: It has to be that way. So let's go to Marion County. And OK, I get it. The biggest star Indiana Democrats have was on the ballot. The biggest Republican stars were not. You didn't have a Jim Banks. You didn't have a Governor Braun or any one of those folks didn't have Todd Rikita. This was their guy. But you look at the margin of victory. In all of the Marion County races where a candidate has to pick up all of Marion County, sheriff's race, prosecutor's race, they're all pretty much equal, 65-35, give or take a few points there. That feels like that's just the registered voter difference right there. Can any Republican in the near future win Marion County or is it lost?
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Speaker 3: It would be very tough. I'd hate to say that it's lost. If you had a great candidate, someone with some name ID locally, and money to spend, maybe not the type of money Jefferson Shreve spent, a few years ago running for mayor, but.
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Speaker 2: You know, I went to crap down his own leg. Like that's what was so frustrating. Jefferson had the money. He's Mr. Moneybags. He's Scrooge McDuck. He dives into a pool of all gold coins every night, but he also came out and was like, yeah, I'm going to be a gun grabber. And Joe Hawk sets crime policy is just fine. Well, that's not good. That's crapping down your leg. And that's what was frustrating.
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Speaker 3: Well, if there was a well-funded Canada that had the right message that, um, He was a rookie campaigning at that point and made mistakes, like you're saying. I don't want to give up on it, but it's tough. I will say that Philip Faust, and you guys had him on. I was talking about him quite a bit. I was helping him. He did get more votes than any other candidate that was running in Marion County. Philip got 74,677. Max, for example, got 54,565.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 3: So Philip outperformed Max.
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Speaker 2: By a lot. Outperformed Max by a lot.
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Speaker 3: Elise and Daniel Elliott. And then outperformed Tom Vaughn, the sheriff's candidate, just by a little bit. 28.84% to 27.98%.
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Speaker 2: But that's still terrible.
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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, that doesn't, there's no comfort in that.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, it was just a tough night all around. And that Those bovine numbers transferred to the county and local races, but also to the state legislature where you had in Marion County, for example, you had incumbents Bob Boehning and Andrew Ireland and Julie McGuire all losing their state rep seats. because of those Bo Bai.
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Speaker 2: So let's go to the donut counties here because everybody talks about Hamilton County. I'm not surprised at that turnout that had been trending blue for a number of years. A lot of the woke wine moms have migrated to Hamilton County. It is what it is, but Hendricks County, Hendricks County going not only for Bo Bai, but defeating Elise Nishala. I think Daniel Elliott is, was one of the only big names that survived a vote in Hendricks County. But Boone was another one. Boone went bow-bye, and it went against Elish Nishala. It went against Daniel Elliott. What's going on in these counties?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad. My wife and my mom and I voted early on Saturday, two days, three days before the election in Whitesound, the Whitesound Municipal Center. And we had about an hour-long wait in a gym there, and You could just tell the looks on people's faces.
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Speaker 2: They were pissed.
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Speaker 3: I think it was a lot of it was an anti-Trump vote and coming out for Boba and maybe it was an anti-Republican vote in general. So those those areas, Boone County, Hendricks County, that was a shocker. They're they're turning as well. So Republicans have to, you know, do a better job of getting their message out.
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Speaker 2: I don't think. What are they pissed at Trump about?
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: These guys. Take your pick.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I did want to share this. When I started in 2015, you know, rooting for Trump and then got involved in the campaign, I remember early on, like, I'm on an airplane. I'm reading a magazine. Maybe it was Time or something. And there's an article about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Trump sparring. And I was like, why would Trump be in a fight with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the former basketball player? Well, then you read the article and find out Kareem's an activist. Somebody must have put him up to attacking Trump first. Trump, you know, hits him back harder. Then they complain about Trump hitting back harder. But this kind of thing has gone on. You've seen this demonization of Trump. And it's not, I mean, yeah, people hate Trump. Trump derangement syndrome is real. But it's because these people are kind of manipulated. Their minds are a little, not a little, but they're manipulated to think that, Trump is bad when it's the people manipulating them that want to change the country and want to ruin the country. Trump's the target, the easy target, but they'd still be doing this stuff if Trump wasn't the president, right? All the bad policies, all the bad things. They're doing the opening of the borders, defending ICE.
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Speaker 2: But Trump did make mistakes, though. Like, I voted for Trump three times. You know, I'm a Trump guy, but let's not act like he hasn't made mistakes here. You got into this Iran war. Now, people can argue whether or not that was the right thing to do, but I think we can all agree the length of this thing. It being something that's been dragging on and on, especially after a dominant first day where you killed the Ayatollah, you took out a bunch of targets. It seemed like this was going to be in and out.
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Speaker 1: He could have ended it. I feel like that's just my opinion. My Trump could have ended the war. And still didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Tony, did Trump feel like he could make a deal with these lunatics?
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Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about it before, maybe not for a little while. If he did, that was a mistake. If he really thought, I can make a deal with them, that was never going to happen.
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Speaker 2: I've said that.
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Speaker 3: You guys have said that. That was never going to.
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Speaker 2: Because of their theology.
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Speaker 3: They're just radical, fundamentalist Islamists. And they were dragging it out. They've done that to Obama. They've done it to past administrations.
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Speaker 2: Now, if he.
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Speaker 3: knew that if he tried to end it, and it took ground forces, and he didn't want to get stuck for six months, and then election day comes, and we've suffered some losses here and there, and that's an even worse narrative, that could be it. That's the only reason I can think of. We'll see what happens next, but yeah, I agree. It dragged out for whatever reason too long.
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Speaker 2: One more thing on Indiana before we take a break, then we'll talk about some things that happened around the country, Texas, Ohio, and whatnot. Could it be, I'm trying to look at the glass half full here, right? If you're a Republican voter. Good luck. The fact that there's a legit Democrat challenge now, will this actually make some of these Republicans, oh, I don't know, act like Republicans again? Because I feel like they got very comfortable. And again, the Rod Bray group and the little minions under him, even to the point where you get into the House, Todd Houston for a little while, They didn't want to listen to the taxpayer. They wanted to raise our taxes on a number of things. And this is kind of the result of that, I feel like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's got to be a change in the mindset. And they do need to make sure they're paying attention to the voter, but explaining what they're doing better. The messaging, I think, is a huge problem. And they just need to get out. And when I worked for Brian Bosman as communications director, We would go around the state and we would have town hall meetings and and we would explain what we're doing. First, we were in the minority and then we took the majority and we made all the changes that we talked about when we were in the minority. That's not happening with the legislative leadership right now. And hopefully it will.
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Speaker 2: Tony Samuel is with us. Samuel Solutions Group. He's our go-to for Indiana politics around here. You were on TV quite a bit on election night with Fox 59 and CBS 4, and what was that vibe like up there?
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Speaker 3: Well, to my right was Robin Winston, former Democrat state chairman, and to my left was Christina Hale, former Democrat State representative. And they were giddy.
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Speaker 1: Big smiles on their faces.
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Speaker 3: They were giddy. Now, all I could think about was two years earlier. Sure. It was my night and Trump won big. And they were gracious two years ago. So I was this time around and we're all, we get along.
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Speaker 2: How does it happen?
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Speaker 1: Like, Trump won huge swing states everywhere two years ago, and now it's the complete opposite. Now, Trump wasn't on the ballot, obviously, but the down ballots, it was just a shellacking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's such a big deal whether he's on the ballot or not. And then, of course, in the presidential year, you get a higher turnout, and that turnout goes heavier for the Republicans the higher you get. But he tried to tell people, pretend I'm on the ballot. It just didn't work. You know, he was right to do that. He was right to try redistricting. He knew this was going to happen and what the consequences would be. But Republicans just didn't get out and listen. And now we're going to suffer the consequences. And I think you will have buyer's remorse pretty quickly and you won't have Democrats trying to work with. He's offered to work with them. That's not going to happen. They're going to impeach. They're going to obstruct. It's going to be ugly.
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Speaker 2: So we've got a couple of minutes left here. Biggest surprise for you on election night. I said I thought it was Texas. I knew it would be close. Texas has been, you know, rumored to be turning blue every year. But at the end of the day, I didn't think Tallarico would be the guy that J.R. Ewing would go out and vote for.
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Speaker 1: Or the governor, for that matter.
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Speaker 2: Or Governor Abbott. I mean, they went full blue in Texas. That was the biggest surprise to me. What about you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the margin, like in the last few days, I started thinking, well, maybe Tallarico has a shot. But I still thought Mike Rogers in Michigan was going to win. So both of those and the margins, especially for Tallarico. And like you said, the governor beating the I forget her name because nobody really knows a lot of these people's names. But but defeating Abbott and then also, yeah, sad what happened in Michigan. Although, you know, I will say that it does speak to my point earlier. You get a lot of people that are pissed off. and they, they vote for the personality and the rhetoric. The Democrats had no plan on affordability. They didn't express any kind of policy goals. They just hate Trump. And they said that over and over again. And the people that have been, I'll say brainwashed over the last 10 years, uh, fell for it.
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Speaker 2: One minute left here. JD Vance done. Is he toast after what we saw take place on midterm night?
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Uh, I think he's still got a shot. Um, You know, I also wonder about Rubio. And during the break, you were mentioning DeSantis, who's doing a lot of things now to get, you know, his message.
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Speaker 2: It feels like Rubio and DeSantis are the two that get mentioned more often than anybody. But it used to be Rubio and J.D. Vance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And after that shellacking on Tuesday, as you called it, I feel like that might have also been a referendum against Vance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be tougher for him because the folks that are going to blame and there's going to be people that are blaming Trump. I know they're they're doing so um they're going to tie him to that and i think he's trying to distance distance himself a little bit but i don't know that that will work
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Speaker 2: That's tony samuel samuel solutions group joins us every thursday talk a little indiana government and maybe take a shot or two with us absolutely my man we appreciate you
