Debt, Collections & The Future with Mitchell Ortega, Esq

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good day. I think
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this is the first time we're back up in 2022.
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I apologize. I've been out of commission a little bit
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on this, dealing with some family stuff, dealing with some
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work-related things. But now I am back, and hopefully every
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other Thursday we'll be live again. So welcome, everybody. Although
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this is a show by an attorney, nothing herein is
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legal advice. Do not rely upon anything we say. You
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have not hired an attorney. There is no attorney-client privilege.
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And again, nothing herein shall be construed as legal advice.
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So I want to welcome a very close friend of
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mine and just a tremendous individual, Mitchell Ortega, who, believe
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it or not, I have had the honor of knowing
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Mitch probably 20 years. I actually, I'm going to tell
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this quick story. Mitch worked with me for a handful
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of years and actually worked took an entire section of
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the practice and went off and ran it and did
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a phenomenal job. But I remember Mitch came in as
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a summer intern when he was after his first year
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of law school. And he's sitting there working. And my
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wife walked into the office and he put his head up,
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not missing a beat. Good morning, Mrs.
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Weiss.
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Kept on working. And then he kind of like dawned
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on him. Holy cow, Mrs. Weiss. Well, my wife was
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his middle school teacher. and amazing. And Mitch and I
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have been colleagues, friends, and we've been through major crap
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together is all I'm going to say. And he's just
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a phenomenal man. And look, I mean, I had another
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guest scheduled for today and we're not going to drag
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him through the mud too much, Corey. But but I
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called Mitch up and said, Hey, I got, I got
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the show. And he's like, dude, I'm in whatever I
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can do. So, so that that's my intro to Mitch.
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Mitch is the guy who will drop everything and get
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it done. Mitch is an attorney and I'll let, I'll
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let him speak about himself a little bit, but he
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is right now focusing on something that I think that
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it's going to be booming again. And it has to
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do with collections and credit card debt because of, because
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of COVID and because of everything and missing jobs and
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overextending and, you know, needing things for kids and school
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supplies and all this, people started using credit cards again.
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And now the credit card companies are raising interest rates
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and the Fed raised interest rates. And, you know, people
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are getting stuck with, you know, interest that they can't
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afford and doing all this. And, you know, Mitch is
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helping those individuals, you know, get some relief. So without
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further ado and relief to all you having to listen
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to me, Mitchell Ortega, based out of St. Augustine, Florida,
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but it has a national presence. So Mitch, give us
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a minute or two about yourself and I'll interrupt you
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and keep plugging you.
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Yeah, Jay, thank you so much for that intro. I'll
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just say that Corey's loss is my gain. It's always
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a pleasure to sit down and talk with Mr. Jason Weiss.
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But yes, thank you so much. As of right now,
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that is still my bread and butter practice area, collections
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defense work. And you made a very good point. In
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today's world, with the economic circumstances coming out of the pandemic,
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a lot of people had to miss work or at
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minimum reduce their hours. And a lot of people prior
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to that were already living paycheck to paycheck. So, I mean,
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that just really compounded a lot of problems. So I
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work at a law firm called Gardie Litigation Group. It's
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based out of California, but like Jason says, we have
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a national presence there. And what we do is we
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specialize in assisting individuals who are being sued in collections
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lawsuits to defend them, to assert any defenses they may
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have available to them, and if they wish also to
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try to resolve these lawsuits on terms that the individual
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clients can afford. The thing is, a lot of people
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feel guilty when they're getting served with a lawsuit for
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the unpaid debt. They feel They want to blame themselves.
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They feel like they could have done things differently. And,
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you know, sometimes people get very lonely and they don't
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feel like they can talk to anybody. And just at
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minimum to sit down and have a consultation with us
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to just vent, talk about why you feel this way,
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what's going on. We're happy to listen to you at minimum.
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And then at that point in time, we can also analyze,
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do you have any defenses to this claim? Was it
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outside the statute of limitations, for instance? Is it a
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debt that was already paid? A lot of times when
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you're dealing with an emotionally charged situation, like going through
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being served with a lawsuit, you might not be able
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to even with a fine tooth comb, go through those
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documents and see, do I have any defenses? Is this correct?
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Are they suing for the right amount of money? So
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having an attorney that's trained in this area of the
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law is invaluable. When you're going through a situation like this,
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we can go to court for you. We deal with
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the judge. We deal with the other attorneys. A lot
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of people, in my experience, never been to court before.
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They're dealing with these things for the first time. Some
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people think you can go to jail for an unpaid debt.
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That's absolutely not true as well.
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So just when I get those phone calls for, you know, hey,
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you're delinquent on this. And, you know, if you don't
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pay the debt or your client doesn't pay the debt,
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You know, we can come arrest them and haul them
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off for jail. Wait, that's not legit?
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Not only is that not legit, but as you know, Jason,
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that is actually actionable under the FDCPA. And so on
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the flip side of just offending individuals from collections, lawsuits
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and collectors that are coming for legitimate debts, We also
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have another side to our practice where we can actually
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make the debt collectors pay if they're improperly attempting to
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collect the debt in violation of federal law. There are
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a lot of people don't know this, but there are laws,
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federal laws in place that prevent debt collectors from taking
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certain actions to collect the debt. In fact, they were
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just amended recently, as Jason and I talked about this
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a couple of months ago, that there are new protections
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in place and new rules that have been put in
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place by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that limit, again,
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what debt collectors can and cannot do. So it's a
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constantly changing area of the law, which is also why
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it pays to have an attorney that's knowledgeable in this
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area and can analyze your situation individually and, if necessary,
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give you white glove service to resolve any situation amicably.
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Now, Mitch, is there a charge for a consult if
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somebody is being threatened with a lawsuit or has actually
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been served with a lawsuit and they want to give
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you a call? Is there a charge for that consult?
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No, no. We do free consultations at Guardian Litigation Group.
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So I have some contact information. I definitely share it
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with you during the end of the show as well
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about a number you can call for free consultations. as
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well as our main office number and contact information. So
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if anybody can reach out to me, I can get
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you in the right direction as well. But no, and
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we're happy to do that.
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And there's the information right down there. Exactly.
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So please call this number if you have any questions
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about a potential issue that you're dealing with in a
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collections lawsuit. Feel free to share this with any family
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or friends that are going through the same situation. We're
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happy to help out.
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So Mitch, either quash an urban legend or confirm an
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urban legend. And by the way, the number that you
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can call for reaching Mitch is 800-316-3133. And his website
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is GuardianLit.com.
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www.GuardianLit.com.
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So... you get sued because you get behind on your
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credit card and oh my God, the world is over.
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The sky is falling. I'm going to have to file bankruptcy.
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True or false?
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That is false. That is false. So bankruptcy is definitely
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one of those options that you can consider. And sometimes
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it's the right move to make. Trust me, I have
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no trouble telling a client honestly based off of the
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amount of debt you have any potential protections you would
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have to that debt, your overall life situation, where you are,
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your age, your occupation status, your familial status, all of
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those factors considered. If bankruptcy is the right move for
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you to make, that's the right move to make. But
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that is not the only thing that you can do
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in order to deal with debt. There are two other options,
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the three major ones, bankruptcy being one, but there's two
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other options that individuals can consider in that situation. One
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of them is debt consolidations. That is where you apply
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for a big loan to pay off all of these
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small individual debts. You consolidate the debt into one debt
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consolidation loan, usually at an interest rate that can even
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be better and more effective for you than these asinine
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interest rates that credit cards are going to charge you.
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So that's one route you can go. And then you
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also have debt settlements. which is a program in which
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you enter into a program and commit to paying a
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monthly amount every single month, which goes into a savings
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escrow account for you. And over time, that money starts
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to grow to the point where you have enough money
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now to go to your individual creditors and say, hey,
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Bank of America, hey, Discover Bank, you have this debt
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for $ 5, 000. Will you take $ 2, 500 right now, take it
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or leave it to resolve this debt? And a lot
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of times, these creditors are willing to work and resolve
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these debts for cents on the dollar. But again, it
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also pays to know, you know, what creditors settle at
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what interest rates, what creditors are more litigious than other creditors.
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Is this creditor going to drag you to court? You know,
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what are the actions that they usually take? What is
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their game plan? What is their MO? So having an
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experienced debt settlement company is another thing I'd recommend to
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make sure that you're not being led down the wrong
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path because there's a lot of companies that do that work.
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But you can do research, like the Better Business Bureau
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is a good resource to go and make sure that
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you're hiring a reputable company in order to do debt
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settlement work. And just do your due diligence beforehand before
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you enter into a program like that. That would be
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the best advice I would give you. But to come
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full circle, yes, bankruptcy is not the only option that
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you have when you're dealing with that kind of debt.
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And this might be the toughest question I ask all day.
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What happens with some people are, you know, oh my God,
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if I file bankruptcy or if I do the debt consolidation,
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my credit score is going to take a hit. You know,
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chances are, if you're at that point, your credit score
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is probably on the lower side anyway. But, you know,
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is there any tie to the filing of the bankruptcy
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or working with an attorney like yourself to you know,
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the impact on credit scores?
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So credit is definitely a complicated subject in its own right.
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You're absolutely right in that that could be a difficult
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question to plausibly answer. And it's it's hard because there's
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a lot of factors that go into taking, taking a
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credit score snapshot of what would happen if I do
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this versus what would happen if I do that. Some
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people like myself and, and, you know, Jason, I don't,
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I mean, you also went to graduate school. You went
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to law school as well. School, school's not cheap. A
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lot of us have student loans and, you know, that,
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especially if you go to a graduate program that could
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be rather expensive, that, It's on your credit report that
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can adversely affect your credit report. If you have any
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sort of medical debt that can be on there as well.
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So it's really hard for me to say if you
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file bankruptcy, it's going to take X amount of years
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before it rebounds or you can expect it to get
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to a certain threshold at a certain period of time
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because there's so many other factors involved in that. And
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these the major credit bureaus, they look at rebounds. Many
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different facets of your reliability as a consumer and your
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inability to pay debts to really have a general rule
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of thumb. But I will say that the general understanding
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from a layman is that bankruptcy is a red stain
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on your credit and it'll be there for the rest
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of your life. And that is simply not true. There
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is a certain time period that bankruptcy will stay on
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your credit report, but over time it will elapse. And
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I have heard, and this is just anecdotally, but I
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have heard that a lot of consumers that have gone
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through the bankruptcy process A couple months after the discharge
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are already getting offers for credit cards in the mail because,
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you know, honestly, creditors these days understand that bankruptcies do happen.
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lending standpoint. They're still willing to work with you. And
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there are different strategies you can take if you want
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to build your credit without bankruptcy as just in general
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for credit building. But the question being, you know, will
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bankruptcy stain your credit permanently? Absolutely not. It will not
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be a permanent issue on your credit.
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an attorney like yourself and you decide that bankruptcy isn't
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the right path and you're going to go ahead and
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try to work out a settlement on some outstanding debts?
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already took a hit because you're late on your payments
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and there's nothing that you could do. But, you know,
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when you resolve these outstanding issues, that's when you have
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the opportunity to start fixing, rebuilding, or increasing your credit
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score would be my guess, correct?
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That is correct. From the debt settlement standpoint, especially, because
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for individuals that end up going that route, you need
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to understand that building your credit back up is a very,
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very long road. And there are different parts of that
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trip down the road that need to be taken care of.
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Debt settlement is like the very start of that. You
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have all of these debts. They're reported adversely on your credit.
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as stellar as you would like it to be. And
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so strategically, there are different things you would do at
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different points down that road to maximize your ability to
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get a better credit score. Now, debt settlement is a
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way to individually resolve these debts individually. just to get
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them wiped out and have them reported as paid on
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your credit report, which will definitely give you a nice boost.
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After that debt is taken care of, then you can
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employ different strategies that you can use in order to
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build your credit up and maximize that as much as
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you possibly can. So, yeah, it's definitely one step in
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the process. You know, credit is there. Again, there's a
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lot of companies that deal with just building your credit.
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But what I do, I usually work with individuals that
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are right at the beginning of that road, right? Starting
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at the starting line as far as how do they
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repair their credit, build their credit back up. And it's
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not a very pretty process, but it definitely is a
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boost and a good start on that long road to
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building your credit back up.
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Now, Mitch, you said that you're based out of St. Augustine, Florida. Yes,
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I am. you're licensed here in the state of Florida.
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Yes.
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But you work with clients that are in other states.
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Is that correct? Yes.
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So my law firm, a number of attorneys that are
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licensed across the country in different jurisdictions. I'm very lucky
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to be the director of litigation at this law firm.
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So I actually get to work with my associate attorneys
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and help guide them and give them advice on how
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to deal with the state-specific issues that they encounter doing
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work in their individual states. So it is fascinating to
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see how different these lawsuits can be, different laws themselves
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can be, what exemptions apply from state to state, because
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it does vary immensely. There are certain states that are
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very different from Florida, Jason, as you know, with all
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of the litigation you've done and federal courts you're licensed
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in across the country. So it's fascinating and it keeps
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you on your toes because you're going to see something
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different every single day if you're in Kansas, if you're
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in Texas, if you're in Tennessee, if you're in New Jersey,
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if you're in California. And we work in all of
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those states. So it's really, really interesting. But yes, we
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do have a national presence. So there's a good chance
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that if you're having an issue and you're watching this
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in another state or you have someone in another state
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other than Florida, that having or having an issue with collections,
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you know, if we can't help you, we could definitely
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at least point you in the right direction. So very,
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very happy to help out.
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Now, were you a national law firm before COVID pandemic
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or is is was that something that was just, you know,
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a knee jerk reaction to the pandemic?
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So this actually we existed before the pandemic. Guardian litigation
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group The presence over time has grown. And because we
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have a number of attorneys, in fact, 95% of our
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attorney team, in-house attorney team, works remotely across the country,
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scattered in different states. And the main office is back
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in California. But we have grown the law firm. We've
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been scaling the firm up. And the need of our
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services was definitely increased by the COVID pandemic because of
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what we talked about right at the beginning of the show.
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which is that unfortunately, a lot of people suffered economically
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during that time period. And it's really changed the legal
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landscape and the practice areas that are offered. So we
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put ourselves in a good position and we've been scaling
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the firm up appropriately since then to keep up with
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the demand of all of the adverse economic effects that
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took place because of the pandemic.
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What other areas do you guys do?
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So we also do, I mentioned previously, in addition to
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collections defense, we also do analysis for claims under the
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Fair Credit Reporting Act and the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
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But we also do some employment law and some estate
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planning as well. And we are exploring possibilities of maybe
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getting into some different practice areas right now. But because
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we've built a very strong infrastructure and network of attorneys
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in a national presence, the sky is the limit as
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far as where this firm can go. It's a great
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firm to work for. It's a young firm. It's being
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developed very well. We have great leadership at the top.
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It's very exciting because remote law firms in and of
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themselves are a very new trend, as you know, Jay.
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And it's really interesting to see how commonplace it is
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now because law partners from 20, 30 years ago would
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probably be spinning if they thought that, you know, 20,
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30 years later, not only would we be working from home,
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we'd also be appearing in court from our home. And,
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you know, with technology these days, you know, Jason and
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I can go to court from our own bedrooms if
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we wanted to, because of the technology we have in place.
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And God knows we probably have done that a couple
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of times.
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Never from my bedroom.
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Never from the bedroom.
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I mean, yesterday I was in two different jurisdictions in
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two different states on the same day. Three, actually. Who
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would have thought, you know, that that's the way that
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we were going. And, you know, look, I was you
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knew this. I was in the office six days a
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week and the seventh day I work off my kitchen table.
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You know, now I go in one day a week
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because I want to check my mail. Right. Well, Mitch,
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I believe you're fully remote, you know, unless you you know,
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you might have an office still. But, you know, it's
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it's this is this is the new way of doing it. And,
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you know, we still try to have. face-to-face meetings with clients.
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We still try to accommodate the needs of others. But
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these days between text, email, Zoom, Google Meets, whatever platform
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you use, you could do anything from anywhere. And that
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seems to be it. So it's good and bad. And
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We are back. This is Jason Weiss on Ask Jason Weiss.
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And I am honored to have with me Mitchell Ortega,
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who is the Debt Collection Defense Attorney. who will help
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you all out. So before we broke, I said that
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I would talk to you about coffee, fresh roasted coffee.
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You can hear it for the radio people. And I will,
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I promise you it smells good. I'm back to roasting
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and brewing my own coffee. And all you need to
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do is shoot me an email and my email address
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of jason at jswlawyer.com. or jason at askjasonweiss.com. Put in
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the subject line coffee. I just need to know if
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you want it ground or whole bean and a mailing address.
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And I'd be more than happy. And all I ask
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for is honest feedback on what you think. Now I'm
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still ordering these beans from companies and roasting them and
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making them my own, but I do have some coffee
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trees that are growing in my backyard and Hopefully they
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will produce some bean and I can't wait to roast
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and drink my own coffee. And it's funny, I'm not
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even a coffee drinker. I'd rather an energy drink any day,
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but I got to drink my own product and it's delicious.
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So again, if you want coffee, just send me an
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email saying coffee, send it to jason at askjasonweiss.com. And
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I will ship you a sample of either whole or
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ground coffee. And all I ask for is honest feedback.
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There's no catch. I'm shipping it to you for free.
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It will arrive just like this. So back to other things.
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We're talking about virtual law firms and the practice of law.
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And Mitch, you're a good chunk of years out of
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law school, not an old guy like me, but you've
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been out. And you did say that you're working with
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some younger attorneys and associate attorneys. And if if I
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implied that that meant they were younger, associate meaning, you know,
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that they answer to a partner as opposed to a
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colleague or type. So basically the question is, you know,
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you got kids graduating from college, not knowing what to do,
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kids graduating from law school, you know, not knowing what
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to do. Based on today's environment, you know, and you
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and I aren't in law school and I'm not teaching
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on that level right now, what changes do you think
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law school's should be making with regard to, you know,
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how they teach things?
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but because technology is so influential on the practice of law,
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I would love to see law schools change their courses
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to accommodate the change of technological standpoint and just the
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situation we're in as far as using, you know, Client
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relations management software, for instance. Legal billing software. Legal bookkeeping software.
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of law school and hanging their own shingle. You know,
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that is... you know, a skill set that you're going
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to have to learn on your own. And if you
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had like even an elective class in law school that
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sort of introduced you to some of the larger software
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companies out there and got you up to speed on
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how to use it, you know, if you come into
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a law firm, whether you're hanging out at your own
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shingle or going to a law firm where you're responsible
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for billing 2,200 hours a year, and you need to
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know how to input it efficiently because you can't waste
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any time whatsoever. Having a little bit of background in
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how to use that software, I think would be fantastic
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and a good skill set for law students that have
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coming out of law school. That and then just making
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sure they're hitting all the substance of what you're going
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to be tested on the bar exam. And those are
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probably the two big things. And obviously the latter is
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already given a great deal of priority, but it becomes
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infinitely more important because I also coming out of law
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school for a have seen individuals that were in the
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same classes as me that weren't able to really pass
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that bar exam. And it's unfortunate because you're earning potential.
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The reason why you went to law school and the
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value you were supposed to get with all of that blood, sweat,
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and tears you put into it, you're not going to
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ever fully realize your potential earning-wise if you don't pass
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that bar. So that has always got to be the
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starting point. That is the first, second, and last thing
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that they need to prioritize in the grand scheme of things.
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But if you're asking me another skill set, I think technology.
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That's not something that was focused in my law school curriculum.
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And that's something I sort of had to get a
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crash course as I've been practicing myself.
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Yeah. And I know we work together on some technology
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stuff and all of that. And, you know, so one
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of the things that I'm doing right now with Ask
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Jason Weiss is a couple of my newer clients and
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people that just signed on with me. I'm basically, you know,
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teaching them, and I call it the stuff, and I
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00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:23.599
use another word, but I don't want to put it
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on the radio airwaves, the stuff they never taught you
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in law school, such as how to deal with a
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judge that's not particularly fond of you for some reason,
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how to deal with an opposing counsel that is just
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00:27:39.009 --> 00:27:43.730
uncontrollable and a lunatic, how to, you know, deal with
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a client that can never be satisfied, how to deal
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with a client that's not responsive. I mean, Mitch, you
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and I could come up with 100,000 different scenarios. And
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that's one of the wonderful things. I'm technically a solo practitioner,
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00:28:01.650 --> 00:28:04.559
but I've always had, not always, but since Mitch is
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a licensed attorney, ever since he's in law school, actually,
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a sounding block, somebody to call up, Mitch, let me
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00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.559
run this by you. Sure, Jay, no problem. And we
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00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.430
run it by, or I'll get a phone call. Hey, Jay,
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00:28:14.450 --> 00:28:16.529
you got five minutes. I want to run this by you.
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And and that's a great thing. And, you know, I
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can't stress it enough for younger attorneys, older attorneys, any attorneys.
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You need someone there to bounce it off of someone
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00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.720
who's been through it before. You know, look, would I
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00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:35.289
be calling Mitch on something outside of his practice realm?
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Probably not. But would I be calling him for something
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00:28:39.390 --> 00:28:42.309
in the litigation world, in a transactional world, in a
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credit card world?
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Yes.
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A hundred percent. I mean, Mitch and I were talking
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right before we got on and I have a matter
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in North Carolina. I'm not a North Carolina barred attorney.
533
00:28:52.990 --> 00:28:55.690
I'm not going to try to be like pro hoc
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00:28:55.809 --> 00:28:58.970
in and help, but I need an attorney in North Carolina.
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00:28:59.609 --> 00:29:01.670
Mitch is like, Hey, give me, give me a couple hours.
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00:29:01.730 --> 00:29:03.710
I'm sure I got somebody. I can get you his
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or her name and we'll go from there. And, and that's,
538
00:29:06.970 --> 00:29:08.759
that's the kind of stuff they don't teach you in
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00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.980
law school. In law school, they teach you very black
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and white. Um, It's funny. I remember one of the
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00:29:15.460 --> 00:29:18.440
first things I ever read from Mitch that he ever
542
00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:21.720
did when he was a clerk, it was well-written. It
543
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.849
was well thought of, but the problem was that it
544
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.950
was kind of, well, if you go this route, this,
545
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and if you went that route, that. As attorneys, and Mitch,
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00:29:33.369 --> 00:29:36.349
you can chime in at any time. as attorneys, we're
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00:29:36.369 --> 00:29:39.819
there to advocate for our clients. And when our clients say,
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00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.539
this is what I need and this is what's got
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00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:46.039
to get done, you can't say no. You say, okay, well,
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I might not be able to do it the exact
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way you want it, but we could try this way
552
00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:51.900
or we could try this way or we could try
553
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.480
this or we could try that. And you find a solution.
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00:29:55.539 --> 00:29:57.640
Just going back to your client saying it's impossible to
555
00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.630
get done, it's not going to fire you. you're done.
556
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And it's not impossible. It might not be possible the
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way they want it, but we've got to put on
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our creative hats. And I think that's a little bit
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of what we do. I think we're creative writers. I
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think we're creative thinkers. I think we're counselors. I think
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we're social workers. I think we're a shoulder to cry on.
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And a lot of times people don't realize we're also
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human beings. And I say this to opposing councils and
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co-councils all the time. Look, As a human being, as
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a man, as a father, this is what it is.
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As an attorney, this is what it is. And we
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can't be defined as ESQ or attorney. And I think
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that's very important.
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I would just like to comment on what you just said, Jay.
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I also think you can add juggler to that list.
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We are professional jugglers because we have to juggle so
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many things. We're clowns, basically. I think that's the best
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way to put it. We're clowns just without the noses.
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So we have to juggle expectations. We have to juggle
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our clients, what they want, what they would be okay with.
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Sometimes we have to counsel our clients to not let
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be perfect be the enemy of good. If I can
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give you 75% of what you want, that's usually a
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00:31:13.470 --> 00:31:18.029
lot better than you would have gotten anyway. But everybody's different.
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And at the end of the day, clients can make
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those decisions. They can decide from the big picture realm,
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what do you want? And they could change their mind.
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And our job is just to give it to them straight.
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We're not going to promise them hopes and dreams. We're
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not magicians with a magic wand. We can't make everything
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go away or come. But we can tell you. What
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what is the legal ramifications of your actions? What does
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this mean? What is likely to happen? And what isn't
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our best what we think is in their best interest? And,
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you know, and lawyers, we don't have the luxury of
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doing what we want to do. We have to do
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what we have to do. A lot of people don't
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understand that either. Our hands are tied. We can only
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consider your best interest by law. Ethically, it would be
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a you know, we could get in trouble, frankly, with
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our local bar employees. If we were giving advice that
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we thought was just the best for any other entity
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or any other person other than our client. So we
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always are looking out for our clients. But yes, I
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think you can add Django to that list. And if
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I could give for the first issue you brought up,
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you know, communicating with opposing counsel and communicating with judges
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and communicating with clients is probably the biggest thing you'll
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learn out of law school because there is no class
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about that whatsoever. And in my experience watching us experience
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attorneys like Jason and other attorneys over the years, if
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I could come up with any philosophy for how to
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00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:39.730
approach that, especially for young attorneys fresh out of law school,
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it is to be authentic. It is to be yourself.
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Don't think just because you now have an ESQ at
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the end of your name, you're somebody else. You're a
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big shot. You're entitled to anything. Just be yourself. Approach
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it with your own personality. Don't have to pretend to
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be anybody. Lawyers are smart people. We gravitate toward authenticity.
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We know if somebody's posturing or bluffing or sticking their
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00:33:03.140 --> 00:33:05.380
chest out just to try to be intimidating. We could
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00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:08.180
see that from a mile away, especially seasoned attorneys. The
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best thing you could do to get respect from the
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00:33:10.220 --> 00:33:12.539
judges you're in front of, the opposing counsels you're against,
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00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.829
and even your own clients is just to be yourself.
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That's the best advice that I could give.
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00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.450
And I was there for the first time Mitch ever
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00:33:19.609 --> 00:33:20.450
argued in court.
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00:33:21.190 --> 00:33:22.009
Oh, come on, Jeff.
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And one of the things that we both picked up on, admittedly,
626
00:33:25.549 --> 00:33:29.250
was his arguments were great. His reasonings were sound, but
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00:33:29.289 --> 00:33:33.630
he blew through them so fast. And once we slowed
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00:33:33.690 --> 00:33:37.599
him down, it was no holding him back. So we
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00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.660
slowed him down and he just bursted onto the scenes.
630
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.700
And it was awesome. And I'm still excited to watch you.
631
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.579
So excited to see. So excited to talk and do
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00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.279
all that and just see the passion that you have for,
633
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.460
you know, helping individuals. And it's funny because, you know,
634
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.400
I can tell Mitch truly found his calling with this
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00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.539
area of the law. And he's been in it quite
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00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.289
some time because he gets excited when a new law
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00:34:03.349 --> 00:34:07.619
comes down, a new rule comes down, a new not trick. trick,
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00:34:07.660 --> 00:34:09.800
but a new thing that he might know. And I
639
00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:13.599
remember when we were working on something together and he
640
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.159
threw it in there. The rules of Florida changed. And
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00:34:16.300 --> 00:34:19.380
as of this date and time, you had to do this.
642
00:34:19.460 --> 00:34:21.900
It was no longer optional. It was mandatory. And he
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00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.360
dropped it in a footnote in the pleadings. And he
644
00:34:24.380 --> 00:34:27.449
was winning cases left and right because he took the
645
00:34:27.510 --> 00:34:29.909
time to do a little bit of research and find
646
00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:34.000
something else that nobody else found. Now, everybody's fixed it.
647
00:34:34.409 --> 00:34:39.320
And because of Mitch's fixes and suggestions. He helped clients
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00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:42.139
and he helped the practice of law because now even
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00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:46.039
plaintiff's counsels are making things that they're right. And Mitch,
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00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:48.159
you and I used to have this conversation all the time.
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00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:51.949
They change their standard complaints because of our motions to
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00:34:51.989 --> 00:34:55.489
dismiss and they become more thorough and they've done this.
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00:34:55.530 --> 00:34:58.190
And to us, that was a win because it's better
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00:34:58.210 --> 00:35:01.250
for the practice. It's better for our clients. It's better for,
655
00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:05.039
for everything. So I'm going to segue into something that's
656
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:07.059
near and dear to both of our hearts right now.
657
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.960
So I always throw the hardest question of the day
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00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.000
towards the end of an interview. And Mitch, I told
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00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:15.480
you I'd keep it easy on you. And I have.
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00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.880
So here's my hardest question of the day. Best legal
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00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:22.880
movie ever.
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00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.119
So, Jay, you and I are in complete agreement on
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00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.530
this very, very controversial subject. Interesting enough, the movie, that
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00:35:31.570 --> 00:35:33.349
is the answer to your question. That is the answer
665
00:35:33.369 --> 00:35:35.250
to the question that if it's asked to you, it's
666
00:35:35.269 --> 00:35:37.090
the answer you'll give because you and I love this
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00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:40.639
movie to death. Interesting, it was the 30-year anniversary of
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00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.199
this movie coming out to theaters about two weeks ago.
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And the Florida Bar just did a poll. They did
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00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:50.199
it for March Madness. They did a bracket of the
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00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.480
best legal movies of all time. And this movie, of course, won.
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00:35:54.130 --> 00:35:55.869
from all of the Florida lawyers in the state who
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00:35:55.909 --> 00:35:58.070
voted as the number one legal movie of all time.
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And of course, I'm talking about the timeless classic.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Drum roll.
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My Cousin Vinny.
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Bingo.
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00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:08.059
My Cousin Vinny. There's no contest. Not only is it
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00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:12.000
a very funny movie, it's very well written. It's also,
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00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.650
as Jay will reiterate, the most legal, realistic legal movie
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00:36:16.730 --> 00:36:19.989
that you will see. As far as showing how procedure works,
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as far as showing proceedings in court, interactions with opposing counsel.
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00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:26.699
It is just a tour de force of a legal
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00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:30.610
movie and not even close. Jason and I have a
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00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:32.650
bunch of legal movies that we love. We were just
686
00:36:32.690 --> 00:36:34.889
talking about The Devil's Advocate a couple of days ago
687
00:36:34.969 --> 00:36:36.889
as well. That's another movie that we love. Of course,
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00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:39.250
Jason going to the University of Florida Law School, any
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00:36:39.369 --> 00:36:41.150
litigators in the city of Gainesville is going to be
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00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:43.469
on his radar, just like Keanu Reeves was.
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In that movie.
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00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:46.559
But yeah, it's not even close, Jay.
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Well, I went to University of Miami for law. I'm
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a Gator from my undergrad. That's where I met my wife.
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00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.119
We went back to visit. That's when we found out
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she was pregnant with our son way back when. So
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00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:03.070
Gainesville is near and dear. I went to UM for law,
698
00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:06.050
but Gainesville is near and dear to my heart. And
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00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:11.179
I actually watched my cousin Vinny last night. It's one
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00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:13.369
of the things that's on the queue and when I
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00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:16.099
can't sleep or I need to focus, I watch it.
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00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:20.809
I mean, there are so many just relevant things. I mean,
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00:37:20.869 --> 00:37:22.889
one of the things that I love is when he
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00:37:22.989 --> 00:37:27.440
objects to the expert being brought on and he says
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00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.340
to the judge, Herman Munster, of course, he says to
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00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:34.840
the judge, you know, it hasn't been conveyed to me before.
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00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:37.050
They haven't turned it over. He was on the witness list.
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00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.949
I know nothing about this and all this. And the
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00:37:38.989 --> 00:37:42.969
judge is like, Mr. Gambini, that was well thought, well articulated,
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00:37:43.369 --> 00:37:48.309
well done, denied. And you're like, what? What? Everything is
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00:37:48.389 --> 00:37:52.289
in your favor. And I did everything you wanted and denied.
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00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:54.969
And how realistic is that, Jay?
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And I'll tell you this. There was a judge in
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Broward County who is now retired where everybody knew what
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you had to do. You had to walk up to
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the podium when it was your turn. And you literally
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had to read off of the script. Good morning, Your Honor.
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My name is blank. I am here representing blank. What
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we are here for today is blank, literally. And it
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would say plaintiff's counsel goes first, defense counsel goes second,
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because he wanted order in his courtroom. And that's the
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biggest thing. With all of the changes and all of
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the things going on, thank God the judges have kind
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of molded a little bit and they've gotten it and
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they're getting orders and procedures put in place so that
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it's easier for them, which is awesome. We don't want
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to make their jobs harder than it is. And it's
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easier for us to keep judges happy. And I think
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that's what it's about. And I had a compliment from
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a judge a couple of months ago that is allowing
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me to appear at things virtually because he said, that
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my camera is clear, my microphone is clear, and I
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always dress professionally. I'm always in a shirt, tie, and
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jacket when I'm on those, not like today. And I'm
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always with a good computer, a good sound system. Everything
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is closed off. Everything is quiet. And I'm giving the
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judge the exact respect that the judicial... process deserves. And
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I think that's something that, you know, there have been
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videos floating around that attorneys are appearing in bed and
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they're coming in their pajamas.
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No, no.
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You're an extension of the legal system. The judges are
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there wearing their robes and treating us professionally. We need
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to give the judges the same respect and our clients
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and our colleagues and the bailiffs and the judicial assistants, everybody.
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And just give respect. And that's my whole big thing.
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You know, respect everyone. So when you said we've appeared
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at hearings from our bedrooms, I got a chuckle out
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of that. Hearings from our homes, in full respect, 100 percent. Yes.
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And if there was any bedroom appearances, Jay, it would
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have been with the full attire, if anything. And of course,
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with a clear background. But I meant that as definitely
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as an example of what technology allows us to do
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these days, because it's never would have imagined four or
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five years ago that even if you wanted to, you could. So, yes.
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And I also agree with you. It's great to have
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clarity from all of these judges as far as the
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new rules that go along with the technological advances that
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the courts are making, because a lot of judges also
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have formal rules for your background, your camera, your microphone,
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what you have to wear. It is technically an in-court proceeding,
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and most of us wouldn't show up to court with
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a bathrobe if we didn't want to get laughed or
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yelled at by the judge. So nevertheless, it's always good
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when we have rules. Rules are not a bad thing.
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They're a good thing because it gives clarity for all
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the parties. We all know what the rules are. It's
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actually worse when you don't have rules because then you
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have to speculate as to how to meet the standards
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of what the judge wants. And that's very, very difficult
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sometimes because there's so many judges in so many counties,
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in so many states, and they all want something different sometimes.
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So this is perfect. This is perfect to just bring
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it back full circle. So when you get served with
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that letter or that lawsuit because you're behind on your
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credit card or you can't make the payments or you're
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afraid they're going to send you collections, don't try to
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do it by yourself. Don't be embarrassed. Don't don't feel sad.
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Don't go, oh, my God, the sky is falling. What
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you should do is call Mitch. He might not have
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the answer for you, but at least he's going to
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be in here to listen. He's going to be able
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to probably help you or at least get you on
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the right path. And it's not anything to be embarrassed by. Look,
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we've all been involved in things. It happens, you know.
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So my recommendation is you got credit card problems. You're
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behind on that. You're having collection issues. You're having whatever.
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Give Mitch a call. or check him out on his website.
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So that's it for today. Mitch, I want to thank
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you again for hopping in, being on this show with me.
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You could be reached again at 800-316-3133, guardianlit.com. You could
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also check him out on the Florida Bar website. You
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could always get me at jason at askjasonweiss.com or askjasonweiss.com.
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Or if you're looking for an attorney and not a coach, jswlawyer.com. Mitch,
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thank you so much for taking the time to be
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with us here today. Hopefully our listeners learned all about collections,
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what to do, and hopefully you won't ever get in
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that situation where you need it. But hey, if it happens,
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no big deal. Call Mitch. He knows what he's doing.
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Jay, thank you so much for having me this afternoon.
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It was great chatting with you. And yes, please, anybody
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out there You know, we understand problems happen that are unforeseen.
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You lose a job, you go through divorce, you have
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to relocate, you know, no shame at all when you
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have to go through these very common life events. And
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if you need somebody to help you, if you need
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a second set of eyes, if you're curious about the
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legal ramifications, just give us a call. We're happy to
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help out.
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And one last shout out to Cece, who is just
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the lady behind the scenes who runs this all. Couldn't
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be possible without her. CeCe, thank you for everything. You
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and the GoingSoloMedia.com and the Going Solo Network. You guys
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are awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm
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just honored and privileged to be able to do this
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every other Thursday at noon Eastern time. Thank you, everybody.
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Have a wonderful rest of the week and a great week.
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