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One of my favorite movies is called Pay It Forward.
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You know, always doing something for others, not expecting anything in return.
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And I think that's that in and of itself is true Christianity in my book.
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Welcome to God at Work.
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Stories of calling, courage, and conviction.
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Through real stories and meaningful conversations, we'll discover how God shows up in the boardroom, the job site, and beyond.
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Here's your hosts, Gina Ventola and Adam Kemper.
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Welcome to God at Work.
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Today we're joined by Andrew Schmidt.
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Andrew is a business development and marketing consultant based in Denver, and he currently serves as a board member with Breacher.ai, where he helps ensure marketing efforts are aligned with sustainable growth, customer acquisition, and long-term business strategy.
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On a personal level, Andrew brings a unique life story shaped by adaptability, service, and movement.
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He was born on a U.S.
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military base in Germany, originally dreamed of becoming a fighter pilot, and grew up moving frequently, with the average place he lived being around two years.
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His mother discovered he was she was three months pregnant with him while serving on the front lines of Afghanistan during her deployment.
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What a fascinating story.
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Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thank you for having me.
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Andrew, I'm so glad you're here.
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And I have a ton of questions for you, but I'm gonna kick this off the way we normally do.
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And that is, you know, our podcast is called God at Work.
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What does that phrase mean to you?
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That phrase to me means several things.
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Um one from the business standpoint of the parable of the talents, you know, not just letting your talents go to waste, but on the personal level of leading more of a Christ life situation.
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Um, one of my favorite movies is called Pay It Forward, you know, always doing something for others, not expecting anything in return.
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And I think that's that in and of itself is true Christianity in my book.
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Um, because of the fact that you know you're doing something just because of the fact that you can, not because you're expecting something in return.
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I think that's an excellent point.
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You had mentioned in off-camera about your love of theology and history and how that kind of goes into your work.
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Could you elaborate on that?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, one of my favorite writers is Benjamin Franklin, especially in The Silence Do Good, where he talks about the separation of church and state.
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Um, one of the things in my studies that I have found is that it is very difficult to sit there and separate the two.
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You know, reason being is because of the fact that our morals and our beliefs affect the direction that we go.
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And all too often, you know, one of the issues that I have with some people is they have their work self and then they have their personal self.
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And they try to separate out the two when in reality we should be one and the same, because in order for God to do his true work, you've got to be your authentic self.
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Amen to that.
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And when you mean authentic self, could you elaborate on that?
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So absolutely.
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One of the things that I always tell my clients is that, you know, authenticity is true uh a thing that everybody goes through.
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You know, um, we all have a meter of knowing whether or not something's true or fake or doesn't seem to sit there match up, um, especially when you look at like celebrities.
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You know, they have their screen self, but then they have their personal self.
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And sometimes the two don't match, but other times you get ones that match perfectly, like with Robin Williams.
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You know, he was a great comedian, not just on screen, but off the screen.
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And where that truly shows and truly shines is people are actually able to see through everything.
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And it's one where that plays a huge role, especially in marketing.
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And as a person in marketing, Andrew, how would you reflect Christ in working with your clients?
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Um, a lot of times I try to be honest, show them the path, the education.
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Um, it's you know, working in the marketing departments and things like that, a lot of people try to go, oh hey, you know, it's easier just to throw something up and hope that it works.
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Uh, where I try to differ from it is I try to go look at the data.
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You know, what is people saying about you?
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What are things that they're looking at?
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You know, what's your value at that you're bringing to your customers and how do we bring that out?
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You know, as Christians, you know, it's difficult to sit there and sometimes say, hey, you know, how can we sit there and multiply our uh the aspects and our talents?
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You know, and I look at people going, you know, why do you not want to multiply it?
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You know, if you really take a look at the parable of the talents, the person who went and hid his talent and brought it back and didn't multiply it was scolded.
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You know, so our jobs as professionals, especially marketers, is how can we help you multiply that and figuring out that correct message?
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Sometimes we're successful, sometimes we're not.
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But the fact that we actually try, I think is more the point of the parable than anything else.
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I totally agree.
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I was thinking about that parable over the weekend, and it appears that the one who had the single talent who just hit it in the ground, even tells his boss, I did it because you're such a stern taskmaster.
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I was afraid.
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And so, what role does fear play in maybe working with a client and then being afraid to pull that trigger?
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So fear comes in many forms.
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Um and honestly and truly, the hardest part is the budget.
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You know, when it comes to letting go of the stuff that, oh, hey, I worked so hard and so much for this income to sit there and go, okay, hey, instead of turning it into okay, hey, God worked his miracle, let me reinvest it, it becomes an entirely different mentality.
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And so one of the things that I look for within clients is okay, what is your risk tolerance?
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You know, are you looking to, you know, multiply what you've already done and multiply your talents, or are you looking to invest it into the future, knowing that, hey, anything you do now, it's gonna take 30, 60, maybe 90 days to even bear fruit?
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You had mentioned, or it was mentioned in your introduction about how you had moved around a lot as a child.
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Do you think that ability for you to build relationships quickly add the value to what you offer your clients today?
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Um, I think that helps give me the flexibility.
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Um, honestly and truly, my entire life has been a miracle in an aspect.
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Um, especially, I know it was mentioned that my mom found out she was pregnant while at deployment in Afghanistan.
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Um, what's not mentioned there is that six months prior to her finding out, she was told she was sterile, ended up going on her month and a half deployment in Afghanistan, and because she found out she was three months pregnant on that deployment, because they never did a pregnancy test test before she went, it was an entirely shocked her.
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Um, but because of that adversity, it's kind of set me up to be able to not just look at things going, okay, hey, you know, tomorrow, you never know what's gonna happen tomorrow, but also being able to adjust things on the fly, going, okay, hey, the data's not going in the right direction.
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So now we can need to pivot for it to go the right direction.
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And sometimes, you know, what people don't realize, and this is the fighter pilot in me, a one-degree change in an airplane from Denver going to DC can be a change from going from DC all the way down to Atlanta, Georgia.
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And that's just one degree difference from the very beginning of a flight.
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Wow, I didn't know that.
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That one degree would make that much of a difference.
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That's incredible.
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Yes, and so it's one of those things where it's like understanding God's work, we may not see what it's doing, you know, just like in pay it forward, you know, it doesn't always review benefits right in the beginning, you know, and that beginning stage is of understanding, okay, hey, where's the threshold?
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Where is the message?
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How can we bring out you know the true meaning of what we're talking about really plays a factor because you know, one degree can change a lot.
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Well, I believe that's true.
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It made me think of the story of Jonah, where he wanted to go in the opposite direction, and God brought him around to his way of thinking in that trajectory of him finally having to fess up on the boat.
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Hey, it's it's it's me.
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I'm the problem, to quote Taylor Smith.
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I'm the problem, it's me, and then throwing him overboard, and then this you know the storm stops, and the whale's like, or the big fish, as the Bible actually says.
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Hey there, buddy.
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And um, I think that's kind of the point you're making.
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That what is that old phrase, we plan in God laughs.
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Yes.
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Well, and a prime example is Moses.
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Yeah, if it wasn't for his brothers, you know, sitting there selling him to a slave trader and going off, you know, there wouldn't have been that retribution at the end.
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You know, um, you know, there there's so many stories there where you know, even in the book of Proverbs, you know, where we falter, and part of being human human is faltering, but being able to go, okay, hey, I have fallen, how can I get back to where I need to go?
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You know, and a lot of times people wait till it's too late to sit there and make that change versus doing it in the very beginning when you can really set the patterns correctly.
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Andrew, what would you say is your biblical reference?
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Is it a verse?
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Is it a book?
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Is it a passage in the Bible that helps you drive your business?
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So there's two core um parables that have talked about.
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One is the parable of the talents, the other is a parable of the farmer.
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You know, there's two farmers.
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One sits there prays for rain, doesn't tend to his field.
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The other one, he prays for rain but continues to tend to his field.
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And so it's one where those two combine really show the um true essence of what fear can do.
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Because fear can actually paralyze you to where you could go, okay, hey, I know I need rain, I need rain, but if you're not actively preparing the field, you know, opportunity will just it'll come and then it'll disappear and it'll wipe away anything and everything that you have.
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But if you've already prepared the field, prepared the crops, you know, you then can get tenfold, hundredfold, you know, even two hundredfold of what you put into it.
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And that's where making sure you've got the proper systems in place, knowing that we're putting the proper things in place to capture the data that needs to be captured, you know, tending your field, tending to the people that you've talked to previously, you know, building up your business, you know, it's just like the difference of building a house on the bedrock versus a house on the beach.
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You know, if you're not solid, you know, it gets washed away.
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And so that's where you know the Bible really comes into play.
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It's like, even though there's biblical principles that we can talk about, these are all concepts that even the non-believer can understand.
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Of, hey, look, if I'm praying for rain, but I don't actually do the work to sit there and tend to the crops, what good is prayer gonna do for me?
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I would agree.
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I think that it's something we probably wrestle with in the workplace as far as being our authentic believers in the workplace, and so I like that you use those two parables to kind of break down your philosophy of God at work.
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Would you share a little bit about your company?
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Yes, absolutely.
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So my company that I own is called Schmidt Family Consulting.
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Um, and what we do is we literally take your business and would treat it as if you're family.
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That's part of the reason why I put family in there, is because the fact that, you know, at the end of the day, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.
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And so my job there is to, you know, literally help take care of your business as if it were my own, and going, okay, here, you know, you need to have a proper CRM, you need to have a proper mailing list, do you actually have the proper sequences in place?
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Do you understand your customer journey?
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You know, we all have a journey in Christ, but it's all a matter of understanding what we are in our journey.
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Do we actually know that?
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Um, bringing in, you know, the proper messaging.
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If you're a public speaker, okay, and your target audience is you know, small business owners, are you putting out the message towards a small business owner or are you putting it out there towards people who are you know in their mid-sixties, 70s, looking to retire?
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You know, making sure you actually understand your audience and being able to talk to them.
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You know, a lot of people get those two things completely separated of, oh, hey, if I'm a Christian business owner, I can only talk to Christians when in reality you can service everybody.
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You know, it's just understanding, you know, who your target demographics are and being able to put it all into a proper plan.
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And so everybody that I work with, I look at them saying, Hey, look, let me give you a free audit.
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You know, let's dig into everything, see where your where your stance is, understanding you know, all of this, and let's put it on the paper so that way we can see it.
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Where would you say that you and God are working within your business?
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What is he currently working with you on?
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I I would say that for me personally, he's working on the patience role.
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Uh because the hardest part about the business that I do that I'm in, especially with marketing, is you literally have to have the patience because not everything's gonna come at once.
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You know, um, you truly have to be that farmer tending the field, you know, really setting things up, planting the seeds, and praying that it all works.
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Um you know, like I said before, there's times where I've had it with clients, you know, the seeds that we we sowed, you know, landed on rocks, didn't really produce anything.
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There's other times that it falls on fertile soil, it produces a hundred times better than what we anticipated.
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You know.
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Um, but it's understanding that, hey, that patients, sometimes you fail, but does do we stop at failure?
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You know, um one of the biggest things that I've learned is no is actually an acronym that stands for next opportunity.
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You know, um, and you just you can't, if someone says no, you just have to look at the next person and say, okay, hey, where's my next opportunity?
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Don't just stop because you got rejected.
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You know, Jesus was rejected three times by what was it, Peter, one of the most you know, faithful of them all.
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And it's one where even Jesus faced rejection.
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You know, it went from psalms of everybody laying down palm trees and all of that to dying on the cross.
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You know, one of the biggest rejections of them all is to be crucified over a person who was, you know, a known criminal.
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So it's one where not giving up that hope, you know, and keep moving forward and holding the belief.
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And I think faith plays a role in that too, as well.
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Yes.
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As you were saying that, I was thinking uh someone gave a talk on this very thing and talked about the role of the thief that was next to Jesus on the cross and what faith it took of him to turn to Jesus, who's on the cross just like he is, who's dying just like he is, and said, Remember me when you come into your kingdom.
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Yeah, so and that's a huge thing to think about because you know, Jesus talks about you know all the time, the person with the faith as much as a as small as a mustard seed, you know, will get into heaven.
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And you know, dealing with business owners, things like that, it's real easy to sit there and give up faith because of the fact that you know, as humans, we tend to go towards the negative, you know, and always think about the negative.
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And the interesting thing about that is it takes 10 good things happening to forget about a negative, yeah, and that's powerful in and of itself to know.
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And so it's one where keeping the faith, even though we may get knocked down, you know, it's very easy to sit there and give up, you know, because it's the devil's way of sitting there and attacking us.
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But it's interesting, especially when you look at sports, you know, baseball players themselves only succeed between 20 to 25 percent of the time that they're up at bat.
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You know, um it's interesting when you look at statistics like that.
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Absolutely.
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When you think about results like that, then your marketing channels maybe not hitting all the way, you know, might be helpful in that, might be might help give you perspective when you say oh 100%.
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And it's it's one of those things where you know people look at success as an overnight thing, but they don't look at the hours and hours of work that you did to prepare yourself for it.
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That's absolutely true.
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What would you like our audience to know about you and your business?
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The biggest thing that I would want for your audience to know is that you're not alone.
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You know, a lot of times we think about getting into business for ourselves, but you don't have to be.
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You know, one of the things that I love that Jesus talked about was where two or more are gathered in my name, there I will be.
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You know, and that is probably the biggest thing that I talk about when it comes to working with people is that two or more are a lot more powerful than just doing it by yourself.
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You know, um, especially when you take a look at horses.
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A single horse can sit there and pull around 3,500 pounds, but two horses together can pull almost 10,000 pounds.
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You know, it's one where that's where I look to work with people who want to progress forward, you know, who aren't afraid of okay, we'll have the occasional setback, you know, but want to keep moving forward.
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You know the best athletes that are out there, all their focus was improving by one percent.
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If I improve by one percent each day, you know, I'll I'll be better.
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And sometimes that's all it is, it's just a one percent growth.
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Absolutely.
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As we close our podcast out, Andrew, would you pray us out?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Dear Lord, and thank you for this opportunity with Gina and Adam to be able to come on here, spread your word.
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But most importantly, the biggest ask that we ask today is that you help inspire others to sit there and do the same, not to give up hope, not to sit there and cower and hide up their talents, but to sit there and have the courage to improve and go out there, take the risk to sit there and follow your glory.
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Because after all, we're all here to sit there and share your good news more than anything else.
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Any name we pray.
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Amen.
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This is God at Work, reminding you to lead with faith, serve with purpose, and live out your calling.
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Until we meet again, keep walking boldly in your faith at work and beyond, and remember your business is your ministry.
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One of my favorite movies is called Pay It Forward.
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You know, always doing something for others, not expecting anything in return.
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And I think that's that in and of itself is true Christianity in my book.
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Welcome to God at Work.
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Stories of calling, courage, and conviction.
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Through real stories and meaningful conversations, we'll discover how God shows up in the boardroom, the job site, and beyond.
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Here's your hosts, Gina Ventola and Adam Kemper.
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Welcome to God at Work.
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Today we're joined by Andrew Schmidt.
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Andrew is a business development and marketing consultant based in Denver, and he currently serves as a board member with Breacher.ai, where he helps ensure marketing efforts are aligned with sustainable growth, customer acquisition, and long-term business strategy.
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On a personal level, Andrew brings a unique life story shaped by adaptability, service, and movement.
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He was born on a U.S.
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military base in Germany, originally dreamed of becoming a fighter pilot, and grew up moving frequently, with the average place he lived being around two years.
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His mother discovered he was she was three months pregnant with him while serving on the front lines of Afghanistan during her deployment.
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What a fascinating story.
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Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thank you for having me.
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Andrew, I'm so glad you're here.
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And I have a ton of questions for you, but I'm gonna kick this off the way we normally do.
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And that is, you know, our podcast is called God at Work.
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What does that phrase mean to you?
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That phrase to me means several things.
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Um one from the business standpoint of the parable of the talents, you know, not just letting your talents go to waste, but on the personal level of leading more of a Christ life situation.
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Um, one of my favorite movies is called Pay It Forward, you know, always doing something for others, not expecting anything in return.
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And I think that's that in and of itself is true Christianity in my book.
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Um, because of the fact that you know you're doing something just because of the fact that you can, not because you're expecting something in return.
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I think that's an excellent point.
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You had mentioned in off-camera about your love of theology and history and how that kind of goes into your work.
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Could you elaborate on that?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, one of my favorite writers is Benjamin Franklin, especially in The Silence Do Good, where he talks about the separation of church and state.
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Um, one of the things in my studies that I have found is that it is very difficult to sit there and separate the two.
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You know, reason being is because of the fact that our morals and our beliefs affect the direction that we go.
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And all too often, you know, one of the issues that I have with some people is they have their work self and then they have their personal self.
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And they try to separate out the two when in reality we should be one and the same, because in order for God to do his true work, you've got to be your authentic self.
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Amen to that.
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And when you mean authentic self, could you elaborate on that?
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So absolutely.
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One of the things that I always tell my clients is that, you know, authenticity is true uh a thing that everybody goes through.
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You know, um, we all have a meter of knowing whether or not something's true or fake or doesn't seem to sit there match up, um, especially when you look at like celebrities.
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You know, they have their screen self, but then they have their personal self.
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And sometimes the two don't match, but other times you get ones that match perfectly, like with Robin Williams.
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You know, he was a great comedian, not just on screen, but off the screen.
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And where that truly shows and truly shines is people are actually able to see through everything.
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And it's one where that plays a huge role, especially in marketing.
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And as a person in marketing, Andrew, how would you reflect Christ in working with your clients?
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Um, a lot of times I try to be honest, show them the path, the education.
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Um, it's you know, working in the marketing departments and things like that, a lot of people try to go, oh hey, you know, it's easier just to throw something up and hope that it works.
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Uh, where I try to differ from it is I try to go look at the data.
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You know, what is people saying about you?
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What are things that they're looking at?
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You know, what's your value at that you're bringing to your customers and how do we bring that out?
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You know, as Christians, you know, it's difficult to sit there and sometimes say, hey, you know, how can we sit there and multiply our uh the aspects and our talents?
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You know, and I look at people going, you know, why do you not want to multiply it?
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You know, if you really take a look at the parable of the talents, the person who went and hid his talent and brought it back and didn't multiply it was scolded.
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You know, so our jobs as professionals, especially marketers, is how can we help you multiply that and figuring out that correct message?
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Sometimes we're successful, sometimes we're not.
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But the fact that we actually try, I think is more the point of the parable than anything else.
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I totally agree.
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I was thinking about that parable over the weekend, and it appears that the one who had the single talent who just hit it in the ground, even tells his boss, I did it because you're such a stern taskmaster.
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I was afraid.
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And so, what role does fear play in maybe working with a client and then being afraid to pull that trigger?
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So fear comes in many forms.
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Um and honestly and truly, the hardest part is the budget.
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You know, when it comes to letting go of the stuff that, oh, hey, I worked so hard and so much for this income to sit there and go, okay, hey, instead of turning it into okay, hey, God worked his miracle, let me reinvest it, it becomes an entirely different mentality.
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And so one of the things that I look for within clients is okay, what is your risk tolerance?
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You know, are you looking to, you know, multiply what you've already done and multiply your talents, or are you looking to invest it into the future, knowing that, hey, anything you do now, it's gonna take 30, 60, maybe 90 days to even bear fruit?
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You had mentioned, or it was mentioned in your introduction about how you had moved around a lot as a child.
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Do you think that ability for you to build relationships quickly add the value to what you offer your clients today?
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Um, I think that helps give me the flexibility.
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Um, honestly and truly, my entire life has been a miracle in an aspect.
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Um, especially, I know it was mentioned that my mom found out she was pregnant while at deployment in Afghanistan.
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Um, what's not mentioned there is that six months prior to her finding out, she was told she was sterile, ended up going on her month and a half deployment in Afghanistan, and because she found out she was three months pregnant on that deployment, because they never did a pregnancy test test before she went, it was an entirely shocked her.
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Um, but because of that adversity, it's kind of set me up to be able to not just look at things going, okay, hey, you know, tomorrow, you never know what's gonna happen tomorrow, but also being able to adjust things on the fly, going, okay, hey, the data's not going in the right direction.
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So now we can need to pivot for it to go the right direction.
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And sometimes, you know, what people don't realize, and this is the fighter pilot in me, a one-degree change in an airplane from Denver going to DC can be a change from going from DC all the way down to Atlanta, Georgia.
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And that's just one degree difference from the very beginning of a flight.
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Wow, I didn't know that.
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That one degree would make that much of a difference.
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That's incredible.
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Yes, and so it's one of those things where it's like understanding God's work, we may not see what it's doing, you know, just like in pay it forward, you know, it doesn't always review benefits right in the beginning, you know, and that beginning stage is of understanding, okay, hey, where's the threshold?
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Where is the message?
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How can we bring out you know the true meaning of what we're talking about really plays a factor because you know, one degree can change a lot.
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Well, I believe that's true.
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It made me think of the story of Jonah, where he wanted to go in the opposite direction, and God brought him around to his way of thinking in that trajectory of him finally having to fess up on the boat.
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Hey, it's it's it's me.
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I'm the problem, to quote Taylor Smith.
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I'm the problem, it's me, and then throwing him overboard, and then this you know the storm stops, and the whale's like, or the big fish, as the Bible actually says.
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Hey there, buddy.
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And um, I think that's kind of the point you're making.
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That what is that old phrase, we plan in God laughs.
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Yes.
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Well, and a prime example is Moses.
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Yeah, if it wasn't for his brothers, you know, sitting there selling him to a slave trader and going off, you know, there wouldn't have been that retribution at the end.
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You know, um, you know, there there's so many stories there where you know, even in the book of Proverbs, you know, where we falter, and part of being human human is faltering, but being able to go, okay, hey, I have fallen, how can I get back to where I need to go?
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You know, and a lot of times people wait till it's too late to sit there and make that change versus doing it in the very beginning when you can really set the patterns correctly.
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Andrew, what would you say is your biblical reference?
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Is it a verse?
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Is it a book?
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Is it a passage in the Bible that helps you drive your business?
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So there's two core um parables that have talked about.
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One is the parable of the talents, the other is a parable of the farmer.
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You know, there's two farmers.
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One sits there prays for rain, doesn't tend to his field.
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The other one, he prays for rain but continues to tend to his field.
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And so it's one where those two combine really show the um true essence of what fear can do.
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Because fear can actually paralyze you to where you could go, okay, hey, I know I need rain, I need rain, but if you're not actively preparing the field, you know, opportunity will just it'll come and then it'll disappear and it'll wipe away anything and everything that you have.
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But if you've already prepared the field, prepared the crops, you know, you then can get tenfold, hundredfold, you know, even two hundredfold of what you put into it.
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And that's where making sure you've got the proper systems in place, knowing that we're putting the proper things in place to capture the data that needs to be captured, you know, tending your field, tending to the people that you've talked to previously, you know, building up your business, you know, it's just like the difference of building a house on the bedrock versus a house on the beach.
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You know, if you're not solid, you know, it gets washed away.
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And so that's where you know the Bible really comes into play.
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It's like, even though there's biblical principles that we can talk about, these are all concepts that even the non-believer can understand.
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Of, hey, look, if I'm praying for rain, but I don't actually do the work to sit there and tend to the crops, what good is prayer gonna do for me?
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I would agree.
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I think that it's something we probably wrestle with in the workplace as far as being our authentic believers in the workplace, and so I like that you use those two parables to kind of break down your philosophy of God at work.
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Would you share a little bit about your company?
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Yes, absolutely.
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So my company that I own is called Schmidt Family Consulting.
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Um, and what we do is we literally take your business and would treat it as if you're family.
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That's part of the reason why I put family in there, is because the fact that, you know, at the end of the day, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.
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And so my job there is to, you know, literally help take care of your business as if it were my own, and going, okay, here, you know, you need to have a proper CRM, you need to have a proper mailing list, do you actually have the proper sequences in place?
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Do you understand your customer journey?
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You know, we all have a journey in Christ, but it's all a matter of understanding what we are in our journey.
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Do we actually know that?
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Um, bringing in, you know, the proper messaging.
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If you're a public speaker, okay, and your target audience is you know, small business owners, are you putting out the message towards a small business owner or are you putting it out there towards people who are you know in their mid-sixties, 70s, looking to retire?
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You know, making sure you actually understand your audience and being able to talk to them.
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You know, a lot of people get those two things completely separated of, oh, hey, if I'm a Christian business owner, I can only talk to Christians when in reality you can service everybody.
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You know, it's just understanding, you know, who your target demographics are and being able to put it all into a proper plan.
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And so everybody that I work with, I look at them saying, Hey, look, let me give you a free audit.
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You know, let's dig into everything, see where your where your stance is, understanding you know, all of this, and let's put it on the paper so that way we can see it.
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Where would you say that you and God are working within your business?
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What is he currently working with you on?
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I I would say that for me personally, he's working on the patience role.
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Uh because the hardest part about the business that I do that I'm in, especially with marketing, is you literally have to have the patience because not everything's gonna come at once.
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You know, um, you truly have to be that farmer tending the field, you know, really setting things up, planting the seeds, and praying that it all works.
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Um you know, like I said before, there's times where I've had it with clients, you know, the seeds that we we sowed, you know, landed on rocks, didn't really produce anything.
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There's other times that it falls on fertile soil, it produces a hundred times better than what we anticipated.
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You know.
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Um, but it's understanding that, hey, that patients, sometimes you fail, but does do we stop at failure?
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You know, um one of the biggest things that I've learned is no is actually an acronym that stands for next opportunity.
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You know, um, and you just you can't, if someone says no, you just have to look at the next person and say, okay, hey, where's my next opportunity?
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Don't just stop because you got rejected.
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You know, Jesus was rejected three times by what was it, Peter, one of the most you know, faithful of them all.
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And it's one where even Jesus faced rejection.
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You know, it went from psalms of everybody laying down palm trees and all of that to dying on the cross.
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You know, one of the biggest rejections of them all is to be crucified over a person who was, you know, a known criminal.
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So it's one where not giving up that hope, you know, and keep moving forward and holding the belief.
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And I think faith plays a role in that too, as well.
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Yes.
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As you were saying that, I was thinking uh someone gave a talk on this very thing and talked about the role of the thief that was next to Jesus on the cross and what faith it took of him to turn to Jesus, who's on the cross just like he is, who's dying just like he is, and said, Remember me when you come into your kingdom.
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Yeah, so and that's a huge thing to think about because you know, Jesus talks about you know all the time, the person with the faith as much as a as small as a mustard seed, you know, will get into heaven.
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And you know, dealing with business owners, things like that, it's real easy to sit there and give up faith because of the fact that you know, as humans, we tend to go towards the negative, you know, and always think about the negative.
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And the interesting thing about that is it takes 10 good things happening to forget about a negative, yeah, and that's powerful in and of itself to know.
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And so it's one where keeping the faith, even though we may get knocked down, you know, it's very easy to sit there and give up, you know, because it's the devil's way of sitting there and attacking us.
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But it's interesting, especially when you look at sports, you know, baseball players themselves only succeed between 20 to 25 percent of the time that they're up at bat.
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You know, um it's interesting when you look at statistics like that.
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Absolutely.
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When you think about results like that, then your marketing channels maybe not hitting all the way, you know, might be helpful in that, might be might help give you perspective when you say oh 100%.
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And it's it's one of those things where you know people look at success as an overnight thing, but they don't look at the hours and hours of work that you did to prepare yourself for it.
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That's absolutely true.
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What would you like our audience to know about you and your business?
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The biggest thing that I would want for your audience to know is that you're not alone.
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You know, a lot of times we think about getting into business for ourselves, but you don't have to be.
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You know, one of the things that I love that Jesus talked about was where two or more are gathered in my name, there I will be.
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You know, and that is probably the biggest thing that I talk about when it comes to working with people is that two or more are a lot more powerful than just doing it by yourself.
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You know, um, especially when you take a look at horses.
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A single horse can sit there and pull around 3,500 pounds, but two horses together can pull almost 10,000 pounds.
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You know, it's one where that's where I look to work with people who want to progress forward, you know, who aren't afraid of okay, we'll have the occasional setback, you know, but want to keep moving forward.
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You know the best athletes that are out there, all their focus was improving by one percent.
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If I improve by one percent each day, you know, I'll I'll be better.
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And sometimes that's all it is, it's just a one percent growth.
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Absolutely.
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As we close our podcast out, Andrew, would you pray us out?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Dear Lord, and thank you for this opportunity with Gina and Adam to be able to come on here, spread your word.
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But most importantly, the biggest ask that we ask today is that you help inspire others to sit there and do the same, not to give up hope, not to sit there and cower and hide up their talents, but to sit there and have the courage to improve and go out there, take the risk to sit there and follow your glory.
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Because after all, we're all here to sit there and share your good news more than anything else.
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Any name we pray.
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Amen.
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This is God at Work, reminding you to lead with faith, serve with purpose, and live out your calling.
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Until we meet again, keep walking boldly in your faith at work and beyond, and remember your business is your ministry.
