The Hidden Mold Problem in Our Food

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[SPEAKER_04]: All of this impact is absolutely epigenetically affecting us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Audempacts us directly, a live stop directly are crops directly, can go on for generation after generation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are absolutely suited at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rising mold issues have been discovered in homes, but few know that harmful types of mold are growing in soils, due to the most heavily used pesticide glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These harmful molds produce micro toxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that can cause widespread disruption to respiratory, neurological, digestive, immune, and endocrine systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can also impair fetal development, cause organ damage, and increase risk for cancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plants absorb these microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Humans and animals ingest them, and animals pass them on in their meats, eggs,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And dairy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we talk with a panel of triata scientists who explain what's causing the rise in mold and microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The damage they cause and what we can do about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like we can undo the damage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot's faster that we're doing the damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Norma Flood and I'm an integrative and functional nutritionist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Go With Your Got in collaboration with Triata.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to our roundtable on one of the most urgent and misunderstood issues in modern agriculture and health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The combined impact of microtoxins from mold and the pesticide glyphosate on the health of our soil, our food, and ultimately our health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I'm with my co-host, Demone Richardson, a triata member who will keep the science clear for all of you listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And joining us is a panel of triata scientists with decades of combined experience across agriculture, nutrition, genetics and endocrinology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to have you all here today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I would like to introduce each of you because we have some amazing scientists here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First on our panel is Dr. Ellen Williams, who is our agronomist on the panel, and triada collaborator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a sixth generation farmer and pioneer of regenerative agriculture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ellen has helped over 4,000 farmers regenerate millions of acres while improving profitability, biodiversity, and resilience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a founding partner of Liebertas Land LLC and the Soil Health Academy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in 2026, joined radically regenerative as senior advisor and strategic collaborator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next up, we have Dr. Stefan Van Blieck, who is our food and nutrition scientist and triada collaborator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Van Blieck is an assistant professor of nutrition science at Utah State University and a leading voice in the emerging field of aggro health, studying how the way we farm shapes the nutrient density of our food and our metabolic health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have Dr. John Faggan, who is our geneticist and triate collaborator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back, Dr. Faggan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He co-founded the Health Research Institute where he serves as chairman and chief scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also chairs global family farms and is a professor of molecular biology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last but not least, we have Dr. Dan Stein, our endocrinologist and Chairman of the Board for Triata, it's great to have you back on the show, Dr. Stein.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He recently retired as Chief Science Officer at Mosaic Diagnostics, following a career as a professor of medicine, attending physician and biomedical research and clinical director.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's begin at the ground level, literally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So first I want to mention in a previous episode, Dr. Stein and Dr. Fagan, along with Dr. Yoman, who is not here today, raised the alarm on how conventional chemical farming is quietly
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[SPEAKER_00]: loading our soil with toxins and also shared concerns over the presence of heavy metals and the build up of forever chemicals called PFAS and soil a lot of great great info there and that's in our previous episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be sure to post that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: link in the show notes below, but today we're going to go one layer deeper, and that's how the most heavily used pesticide in both the U.S. and the world may actually be feeding the growth of harmful mold in that soil and what that means for the food that ends up on our table and how it impacts health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dr. Williams, I'd like to start with you, can you first explain what glyphosate actually does to the soil and how that encourages this harmful mold to grow?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The norm of glyphosate is a very powerful antibiotic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In terms of antibiotic properties, it also is a powerful killator.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, what we see in terms of actions in the soil, obviously it damages a lot of soil biology.
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[SPEAKER_04]: both bacterial and fungal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We see significant damage to the micro-rosal fungi population as an example and that has profound what we call compounding effects.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the soil and then from the soil up, obviously, to the crops that are growing into the soil, the animals that may be eating those crops and then ultimately to us and our health and our gut health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And with the keylation properties, you know, that's binding of the minerals,
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[SPEAKER_04]: and that can prevent both in the livestock that are eating feed stuff grown from the crops that glyphosate was used on, it can actually impair the absorption of minerals and nutrients in their guts and result in inflammation in the gut and we know that inflammation can lead to a myriad of
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[SPEAKER_04]: disorders in the body in the same thing in humans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what happens in livestock also happens in humans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so we see this, but this antibiotic effect in the soil, we see it in the guts of our livestock, we see it in the guts, our guts as humans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the same thing with the with the tie-up or binding of minerals through
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[SPEAKER_04]: this keylation effect.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There is no doubt, we have looked at this enough and across literally millions of acres and in many different states here in the U.S. and many different countries.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there is no doubt the significant negative impact on the biology of the soil as we're using
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[SPEAKER_04]: What we do know is this is that, you know, if we use glyphosate very sparingly, but what farmer's going to do that, right, but if we use it very sparingly, then soil biology can be very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It can break it down and it can basically, you know, greatly minimize its impact.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the problem is, is that,
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, we have become so heavily heavily reliant on glyphosate and farming and basically it used from burned down, getting ready to plant crops, it's used during the, you know, during the growth process of a crop to keep weeds at bay, and then for
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[SPEAKER_04]: an increasing number of crops now, it's used as a desiccant, so it's sprayed pre-harvest to dry the green down so that, you know, it has a lower moisture content once they harvest it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, anytime we do damage to the soil biology and the microbiology of that soil, then we are greatly increasing our likelihood of microtoxins being able to be prevalent in the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'd like to interject there that, you know, that's a good way to think about glyphosate, it's like an antibiotic, you know, just like antibiotics kill the good and the bad bugs in our gut, you know, it's doing the same to the soil and this heavy use is just a strong antibiotic to the soil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then as a result, you have this compromise soil and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like with our gut when we take an antibiotic, we present this opportunity for bad growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you see with the soil that's increasing this opportunity for these harmful molds to grow?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's the exact same thing as in our gut or the guts of our livestock, you know, as we significantly impair the beneficial microbiome, you know, in the soil or in our gut, then that immediately prevents an entry to pathogens, yeah, pathogenic microbiology and they can more rapidly multiply because there's nothing there to be able to
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[SPEAKER_04]: stem their rapid replication in growth in that environment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A very recent study that clearly shows this, where some colleagues of ours, they took soil pathogens and intentionally injected them into both a degraded soil, a soil where we did prior biological testing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we found that the
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[SPEAKER_04]: and injected the pathogens there, and then we took a soil that had been managed very regeneratively.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the biology was excellent in that soil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And here's what we found, is that in the degraded soil that had very poor biology,
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[SPEAKER_04]: the injected pathogens increased in that soil very rapidly by over 3,000 percent.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, and in the soils that had very good biology, they actually decreased.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the pathogen present by over 80%.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we have this huge gap of 3,000% increase to a minus 80.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's absolutely phenomenal and it shows the power of good biology in the soil to be able to rapidly mitigate any pathogens that may exist in that soil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to be clear too, because people get confused about mold per se.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even I have to think about this, like wait a minute, some mold is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's normal to have mold in soil there that aren't producing microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's part of a balanced ecosystem right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what your findings is that there's this opportunity for more toxic forms of mold
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[SPEAKER_00]: you would say imbalance going on in the soil microbiome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for instance, saprophytic fungi is a very favorable type of, you know, if you wanted to call it a mold, you know, it's, it's a very favorable type, because saprophytic fungi's principle job is to take dead plant residue and break it down into new organic matter, new carbon nucleus, new food for the other microbes in the soil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's performing a function that is absolutely needed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But when we talk about these micro-toxins, particularly, they produce toxic secondary metabolites.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And typically, they're produced by species of fungi, such as fuceriums, as pergelus, pinesiliums, things like that, that again, if they're allowed to take hold in the soil,
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[SPEAKER_04]: very quickly and in soils that are depleted of good biology, like the saprophytic fungi, the macarazal fungi, those types of fungi, then these, you know, more pathogenic fungi that form the types of secondary metabolites can gain a very strong foothold and we can particularly
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[SPEAKER_04]: in corn peanuts, a lot of the tree nuts, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can see Aspergelus take hold in crops like wheat, barley, and corn, few serians can be of of major damage.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then if we look at
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[SPEAKER_04]: dried foods and even wine, then that's where we can see both aspirgela and penicillium becoming issues when we're using things like glyphosate that damage that soil biology and cannot
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that that was a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think if I were trying to boil it down what I'm hearing from you is that number one obviously glyphosate is a negative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: However, the healthier the soil is the more easily it can tolerate glyphosate and actually mitigate those negative impacts kind of like a healthier person can fight off a cold a lot easier than an unhealthy person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the third part I heard from you is that these pathogens that get into the soil and you know, they have these byproducts I'm assuming that would be like waste that gets into the soil is that is that what I'm hearing from you and then that's what becomes the problem well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good points to mone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So first and foremost, yes, when we're applying, you know, much smaller amounts of glyphosate, if you're going to use glyphosate, and we have very healthy soil from a microbiological standpoint, then the biology and the soil has the ability to basically break down and mitigate the impact of that glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the problem, particularly becomes when we begin to use much larger amounts of glyphosate coupled with other agricultural practices that also damage the soil biology, for instance, a lot of tillage, you know, those types of things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when you combine these negative practices,
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[SPEAKER_04]: then that's when you're going to see both the glyphosate combined with those practices then overwhelming the biology.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like our gut and that, you know, I may consume a little bit of E. coli 1, 5, 7, 8, 7, a little bit of salmonella, a little bit of hysteria, but if I have a very healthy gut microbiome, you know, it can fight that off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if that gut microbiome is compromised, and I consume those saying pathogenic organisms now, they can take a foothold, produce a lot of toxins, make me sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we can just dive in, really, into these microtoxins specifically, you know, so we have this harmful mold producing these microtoxins, and then what is that first step?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the first step is it's absorbed into the foods that grow in that soil, correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for us, Michael Talks and Exposure, and this is true for pesticides as well, is diet is a major route by which we get exposed to death.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For instance, it needs, as Alan described first, for his Michael Talks, that can be on knots, on grains, similarly,
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[SPEAKER_02]: as well, pesticide residues often found on fruits and vegetables, grains and beans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're also, as Alan thoughtfully describes, a little bit of that may be okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for instance, if you look at studies, and this is both in the case of micro-toxence, as well as on pesticides, is that from the N-Hane scoreboard, which is a long-sending scoreboard, looking at the U.S. population and measuring all things like dietary intake or things like exposure
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a nice stat that suggests that, and this isn't specifically in case of pesticides and I'll pull it back to the micro toxins as well, it's that exposure to two pesticides is associated with a 60% increase in metabolic health issues, having four pesticide residues in the urine associated with a 300% increase, and having more than six is associated with a 700% increase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it also tells you is that this exposure to multiple things is an issue and also with micro toxins they also act as endocrine disruptors, hence there's potentially an association with things like diabetes, there's also other health issues as well related to oxidative stress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that seem to increase and so it's really this cocktail of environmental toxins that you get exposed to that seems to be harmful and that also makes it tricky because it's sometimes if you look at these things and isolations then maybe the exposure to one particular compound remains between legislatively determined safe levels, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what is not really known is that while what if you're exposed to
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[SPEAKER_02]: 10, 20 of this and it's microtoxid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And not just glyphosate, it is other pesticides as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I think, where we run into trouble and then couple that also from the human nutrition standpoint is that, okay, you have more oxidative stress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're consuming a standard American diet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is low in things like flavonoids and polyphenols and antioxidants, and then you're also not able to offset that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is what, what, what, what, what, what, what, I don't thoughtfully describe is that, yeah, if you have a healthy gut microbiome, if you have healthy immune system, you can, you can fight off some of those things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is bigger picture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, the exposure, not just the microtoxins, not just the best size.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is an unhealthy diet, and all those things together, result in this, this perfect storm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what we're seeing in our population, why we, at least,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, sadly speaking, have a lot of issues with metabolic health in general.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The funds points are really well taken.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're very important.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And just to add something concrete to that, we've been doing a pesticide body burdens study here in Iowa.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Iowa has one of the highest incidents of cancer in the country.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're trying to understand what is it about our agricultural system.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It looks like that may be what's contributing to this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what we found is that, first of all, that if we look at vegetables from the marketplace,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Almost every one of them will have pesticides and they'll have from four to 14 different pesticides.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And when we look at the people and look at their body burden of pesticides, we see the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We sell them seed people that are free from the pesticides and the ones that are you checking, oh yes, I only have organic diet, you know, that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Some of the people will have
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[SPEAKER_05]: small amounts of five or six pesticides.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Stefan was talking about the effects of multiple pesticides, and we don't even have research that goes into debt on understanding the interactions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I would bet that there is some evidence for synergistic effects of these things, and so this is really concerning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's one point I wanted to make the second one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: is that the key thing when Alan says healthy biome, what he's saying is, remember, your microbiome is this mixture, whether you're looking at the soil at your own gut or that of an animal, there's a community of microorganisms there that
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[SPEAKER_05]: co-exist and they compete with each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And in a normal healthy microbiome, these microorganisms are maintaining a status quo where the healthy ones are really what's supporting the individual in our most abundant.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But it's something like like life a state does not sort of kill all of the
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[SPEAKER_05]: it's more toxic to some less toxic to others.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's been found with glyphosate, it kills off the good ones more than the bad ones.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so it allows the bad ones to come up in it reduces the pressure on the bad ones so that they can become even worse in the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not just the synergistic effects, and like you said, how it affects each individual different, and everyone has a unique microbiome, I might as well jump right to the topic of everyone has unique genetics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, and I know that the triata study, the triata pearl study, those included autistic individuals that had very high levels of microtoxins in their blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: exposure and or their, you know, deficiency in detoxification systems, you know, those genetics that might be playing a role to make them more susceptible to a lot of these toxins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a very dramatic finding, 31 of 36 participants, and very high, particularly Okritoxin A, above the 95th percentile for the population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you've hit a key point, that's an active area of interest, and continued research is it because they were just unlucky enough to have massive exposure?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seems a little unlikely could be, but an equally logical explanation is that their ability
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm fond of quoting Joe Pazordo who says our ability to detox from toxins in the environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've always been there and there is always a certain low level of toxins that we're exposed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But our ability to clear the matter of our system can vary by a factor of 10,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a certain minority of the population that's exquisitely sensitive to any kind of toxin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this vast degree of people in the middle where it probably results in some degree of illness, particularly chronic illness, but you can't really put your finger on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some who were just blessed with fabulous genetics and that they can tolerate a very high degree of exposure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what the governmental testing authorities in totally ignore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to also speak to the fact of cumulative or synergistic toxicity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very well-established concept in toxicology.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, for instance, we'll look at heavy metals that are very toxic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That can kill experimental rats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a pretty high dose of a toxic metal like lead or mercury to kill off half of a population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you add the two together, you can use very minor amounts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you combine them together, you also kill the majority of the rats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure, this is happening, but other toxic chemicals like these pesticides, but admittedly, we just don't have good studies to, you know, prove this one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a shame that we don't have this information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We really need it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, could I was to John to looking at the populations in Iowa that are developing cancers?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I wanted to mention was that to all of these pesticides or keyladers and for our body and to remember a key later is a substance that binds up essential minerals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So essential minerals like magnesium, like copper, zinc, and it turns out that the vast majority of the population is deficient in those absolutely essential minerals for human health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those minerals basically activate all the enzyme systems in our body, helps our immune system fight off infection, helps surveillance against cancer, helps our hormone system work properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they don't work properly, we get chronic illness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And likewise, that same process is happening in plants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Allen and John and Stefan spoke to this a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But plants become vulnerable too when they don't have these essential micronutrients that have been bound up by glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So their ability to make plant defenses, these phytochemicals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are plant defense molecules against all other pests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So be it invasive fungi or invasive weeds of their ability to protect themselves and robustly outcompete these other invasive competitors is compromised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the last comment I wanted to make was in terms of glyphosate and Alan mentioned this, 80% of it is used to dry crops to desiccate crops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, our use of it has been increasing over the past several generations in our 2030 years, because of course, the weeds are becoming more and more resistant to glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was introduced and saying, if we use this, we all won't have to use much because we'll kill off all the weeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in fact, like bacteria, they're becoming more and more resistant, so you have to use more and more on the count.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet incredibly 80% of the exposure is to just dry crops, where there are other roles to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the process of drying the crops, you're essentially killing the crop, even if it's glyphosate resistant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're getting a vulnerable crop that's super vulnerable to an invasive species, like as per gelis, or
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[SPEAKER_01]: a few monocens or things of that sort, and this is why our serial crops are being so contaminated when you combine glyphosate, and then there's an unfortunate instance say there is a wet weather pattern, so they get wet, and then it's the perfect storm to allow fungi to grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I defer to Alan, he's certainly the expert here, but that's my understanding of what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Dan is exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are creating a perfect storm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have a rule that we call the rule of compounding.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And within that rule of compounding, what we're doing within agriculture is we're always creating compounding effects.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's never any singular effects.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when you break glyphosate or any other herbicide, any other fungicide, whatever, it's always going to
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[SPEAKER_04]: set in motion to solve series of compounding and cat skating effects, and compounding effects are never neutral through the positive or negative.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so what they just described is a series of negative compounding cascading effects.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm a geneticist and physiologist, you know, by formal training and what are the things that were absolutely see in our soil microbiome, in our crops, our plants, in our livestock and in us as humans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: is that all of this impact that we've just been talking about is absolutely epigenetically affecting us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we're setting emotion a lot of negative epigenetic impacts and the one thing about epigenetics is that they are transgeneration.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and so,
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[SPEAKER_04]: can go on for generation after generation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we are absolutely certain that we are seeing negative epigenetic effects occurring in the soil microbiome and the crops that we're growing to feed ourselves and in the livestock that we're eating proteins from.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So essentially, the glyphosate and the microtoxins in the soil are impacting the health of the plants that we grow, which therefore I'm assuming make them less nutritious to us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: which then kind of leads to a kind of overall degrading of health across the population?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what I'm hearing from you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's like a double whammy, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we have less nutritious crops with those antioxidants that can help us mitigate some of those harmful effects, the oxidative stress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're getting less of the good stuff and I may be more like if you have a simplified the bad stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have a higher environmental toxin load, agricultural toxin load, but we have less flavonoids, less of this phytochemicals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting because I often compare this to like a healthy plant is a tough plant, a strong plant, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has the ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you get a soil biology back, you get typically reduce pesticides, well, as you reduce fungicide exposure because the plants will produce those compounds naturally to fight off those pests.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, luckily for us, those compounds that it produces, those flavonoids and these other polyphenols, that have anti-oxone effects of the plants, anti-microbial effects of the plants, they also can have similar effects to us in our bodies as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, not only can we get them stronger, tougher plant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And tough, I may like, like, you know, a hardy plant that can fight fight off disease can fight off pests.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it provides us also with with more nutrition that helps us fight off a metabolic disease.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're getting in in this state, indeed, where, you know, you're maybe increasing the pesticide low, but you're also lowering your fight of nutrients, your antioxidant exposure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're really
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[SPEAKER_02]: hitting yourself with a double whammy on on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like also think why as Alan points out, this is this this compounding effect, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where you get more of the negative and us of the positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's the equivalent of processing food, too, where you lose all these nutrients when you process food, well, you're already losing nutrient value in the soil, because the soil is not nurturing that plant as it needs to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, going back to these microtoxins, these roots of these plants are absorbing the microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's passed on to humans and animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what's interesting is microtoxins are so stable that they build up in the animals that we eat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So any meats we eat, eggs, dairy products, those microtoxins carry all the way through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talk about processing and heating and all of these things, they do not destroy microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is disturbing this buildup that we get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And isn't it true it's passing through breast milk as well, like if you're breastfeeding because obviously if animals are passing that on in their milk, so our humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's absolutely true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to emphasize the point you may that microtoxins are among the most stable molecules around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost impossible to destroy them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anything that comes to routine harvesting, food processing, nothing is done to whatever contamination is due to the microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once it's in the food supply, it can continue on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many microtoxins are fat-loving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call it lipophilic, and they reside in the fat tissue, so they build up in the animals that are grazing on contaminated crops, or whatever silage would have you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And indeed, when we're eating those grains, it builds up in our tissues, either from the crops that we're eating, or from the animals that grazed on contaminated crops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not true for every single microtoxin, but for many of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I think the mom mentioned in the beginning,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are very, very potent endocrine disrupting chemicals, you know, particularly the Zerilinones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these act as estrogen mimics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is well established as causing problems in livestock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a very reasonable body of data even in humans that it can cause things as varied from menstrual regularities to premature puberty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a problem that's there and just doesn't get the recognition that it deserves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to some people get confused about where the mold's coming from, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know that using chemicals in the soil, you know, destroying the soil in a sense, that's going to increase the levels of microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's true that organic foods can have microtoxins as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So could you speak to us about where are we seeing microtoxins,
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[SPEAKER_00]: because of food storage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think the issue with organic versus non-organic benefits organic, you should not be exposed to large amounts of glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And today's day and age, everything has at least a minor amount of exposure to glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gets blown over from the next farmer's field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But having said that, the very large exposure is going to be in conventional agriculture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're harvesting, particularly with the crop drying, the deciculation, the end, the crop's get wet, we're going to get mold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a high chance that mold is going to have these deleterious microtoxins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to organic crops, if you abuse them, you know, after you harvest them, if they become wet, you know, just like anything else that becomes wet, you can get mold growth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to be sure that if you are eating organic, hopefully it's somebody who has good food practices, who harvest when the crops are dry and stores them in a nice dry place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just good business farming practice, like deferred Allen to, you know, come in further.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the risk is much higher, I would say, with conventional
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you're exactly right, Dan, the risk is much higher again, because we have intentionally introduced basically these negative impacts on the favorable biology and the soil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it is correct that we can see my detox and organic foods and all of that and
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[SPEAKER_04]: from that point all the way to, you know, the consumer being able to purchase that product, every one of those steps is critical and important.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One thing to point out here is that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: glyphosates, heavily damaged, the micro-risal fungi in the soil, that's creating two significant disruptions that then lead all the way back to our health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One disruption is that micro-risal fungi in the soil are a plant's principle immune system against fungal pathogens, like the aspergelas
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the second disruptor is that the Makarasa Funjah also acts as a network joining every route of every plant throughout an uninterrupted field.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the very moment that a fungal pathogen tries to enter that field or express itself or a past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: tries to enter that field, then the macarossal fungi can very, very rapidly communicate that to every plant in that field, and then they can rapidly produce phytochemicals that can help warn off either the past or the fungal pathogens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But in the absence of them, when we've greatly damaged,
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[SPEAKER_04]: that macarious population, then that can't happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've interrupted that process and that allows the rapid proliferation of the fungal pathogens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just gets to be a lot and understanding how resilient the soil can be with having that ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately, I'm always going to the gut, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we have a healthy
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can handle some of these toxins more readily and, you know, have more resilience against any, you know, toxins, other viruses, whatever might come to our system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think, yes, we can't aim for perfection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more, how can we decrease the burden, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the way we always want to look at life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just trying to decrease the toxic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: burden overall, but adding these heavy chemicals like glyphosate is overboard, overload and then we get this overload of microtoxins and this is a reason to sound the alarm, you know, because we're so focused on the effects of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: glyphosate and not really looking at something that's even more serious because wouldn't you agree that the effects of micotoxins are actually, I know we talked about the synergistic effect is worst of all, but if I were to compare the two, it seems like these micotoxins are a more serious issue than the glyphosate itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd be hard put to say one versus the other because you know, glyphosate has such a myriad adverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My co-toxins, I totally agree with you, are very under-appreciated cause of chronic illness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, person foremost there, it means oppressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can cause kidney damage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can cause mental health issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many, many problems, and they work, actually, synergistic with the effects of glyphosate in terms of depleting the essential minerals from our body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've mentioned that it alters the microbiome in the human body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call that dysbiosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a community there that is naturally evolved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, there's many of them that compete against each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They form a lot of essential vitamins for us and other chemicals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you use the antibiotic properties of glyphosate, you shift the dominant populations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And particularly there is what are called pathogenic cholesterol species.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is very well established in animal models where
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can produce a lot of very toxic chemicals like crystal and HPHPA and a number of others and these in and of themselves are toxic and can inhibit important enzymes throughout the body, so it does don't mean beta hydroxylase in the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this can contribute to a whole additional aspect of illness in people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say glyphosate is more like, I would say the silent killer, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's this gradual breakdown of our ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I find that microtoxins can cause more skin issues right away, you know, respiratory issues, even brain fog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just see things more quickly in some of my clients when it comes to microtoxins versus glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely both are a serious concern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Norma, I would also say that, you know, in terms of like best size exposure, we often focus on glyphosate, but if that was the only best aside we were exposed to, then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it's good, you know, but it's like this, this is not in a real world scenario.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the only pesticide we're exposed to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're exposed to multiple ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as John pointed that out, I think that's also a major issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is important also to know that in in a real world scenario.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is also where a lot of the studies are focused on and and a lot of these are done in in an animal models in
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it would be the exposure to a single pesticide, or another single environmental toxin, and it would be stated then, okay, this is a safe level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing though is that in the real world scenario, you are exposed to a cocktail of agricultural chemicals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is a significant research gap because that is almost never studied, but we do see it and I know association does not equal causation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: that your association with metabolic disease goes up as your exposure to multiple pesticides and multiple microtoxins go down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what I think is important is that studies that are more holistic and look at the exposure to multiple things and test that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are some some burdens studies that were suggest also that the exposure to multiple is problematic and you get this
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just add that, you know, we're talking about like this eight pesticides relative to the food supply, but we should keep in mind that there are other sources of exposures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people who work on golf courses, people who live next to golf courses or for golf a lot,
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[SPEAKER_01]: in cases where, you know, families have children putting in public parks where there's green, like there's eight like crazy and they're very exposed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we need to keep in mind, it's not just the food supply that is potentially problematic here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it can be absorbed through the scan, too, our pet's pods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Agricultural workers, I mean, the people that help harvest our foods, that's known that their exposure is much higher and they're their best side levels that are found in Europe, or much higher than in the general population.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so we, we've talked a lot about how these micro toxins enter the body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Stein, you talked a bit about how some people are able to clear these toxins from there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: their system more effectively than other people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess my question is, you know, even across the the varying abilities of people to clear the toxins, what are some strategies for, you know, kind of getting these out out of the body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the number one principle in toxicology is first identify the source and eliminate the source.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Having said that and hopefully being successful with that, you can support the body system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first and foremost is good, nutrient-dense nutrition, to replete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All those essential minerals and vitamins that are lacking in the standard American diet, you can add a variety of supplements or even nutritious foods to improve the liver's ability to detoxify the body, so particularly sulfur-containing vegetables, you know, brassica, so to speak, the cauliflower moors and broccoli, you know, the things that we all hated as kids, but actually the very, very healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's very, very good and clean water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's an issue there for John and his neighbors in Iowa contaminated water as a world problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, ideally, you should have some kind of filter system and drinking clean water and other things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, de-stressing, getting good night's sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of that's really important for supporting the body's systems to detoxify and handle the load.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always has been, you know, a certain degree of toxins in the environment, but when we live a healthy lifestyle, tickling in terms of our food and the environment, we're more than capable of dealing with it, but it's this poor nutrition on the one hand, this very stressful lifestyle on the other, and then this overwhelming degree of toxic exposure on the third hand, that is overwhelming a large percentage of the population's ability to deal with it, and the net result is chronic illness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and just decreasing like you said, when we're eating organic fresh fruits, we're decreasing the load, and we're also getting more fighter nutrients antioxidants fiber, all of this helps us detoxify feeds or microbiome, you know, it just comes around full circle, but would you say, you know, there are certain foods we should be a little more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: aware of that are prone to mold even when they're organic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say have variety and grains right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that peanuts are commonly higher in mold anything with a shell right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, spices.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there are, yeah, there are a number of things like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's something that we need to be very careful with.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And with something like life-a-saint, you have to remember that this is actually reassuring that we've done studies looking at the ability of one's body to remove life-a-saint.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And our experience is that it takes only about four days to remove
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[SPEAKER_05]: the glyphosate from your body.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If you stop taking in glyphosate in four days, you'll have less than one percent of what you had on day one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So all you have to do is choose your food carefully and that will make a huge difference.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One other thing that I really wanted to emphasize is that we've been
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like glyphosate has other effects too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There are hormone memetic effects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's one set of studies where they have exposed pregnant rats to glyphosate.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then look at the health of their their children and their grandchildren.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what they discovered is that
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[SPEAKER_05]: the children are not so bad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But if you look at the second generation, there are number one increased levels of birth defects that occur in that generation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And number two, there is chronic obesity that comes up in that family.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now you look at our community right now in America, for instance,
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[SPEAKER_05]: You see, we've been exposed to glyphosate since 1970, so we're certainly into Generation 3, or Generation 2, where you would begin to see these effects like obesity and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right now, we're seeing as close to an epidemic of obesity in the young, in the children.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about one pesticide here, mostly glyphosate, but every one of the pesticides that we are using on our foods, they aren't acutely toxic, but these chronic, these long-term, these more subtle effects,
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[SPEAKER_05]: we can't even trace them down.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It would take us generations to do the research required to assess every one of them for these kinds of effects.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is why we need an organic food system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're messing with our microbiome, you think about what that's connected to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's connected to genetic expression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's connected to metabolism and how we use energy and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, our neurotransmitters are brain health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's our immune system over 70% of our immune system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is very much widespread how these chemicals impact our body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why it's hard to trace to one thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and why it's easy for the chemical industry to put these things into the system is that they do these tests that verify, oh, yes, it's not a cutely toxic you do a rat test and the rat isn't going to tell you if he's gotten a headache from that chemical now that's a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the only time we know it's bad is when the rat kills over.
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[SPEAKER_05]: or go and go to my green yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a good opportunity to recount the studies of serolini.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when glyphosate was first approved, they took out a rat study.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was about 18 months or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, it looks pretty safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no cancer, signal, or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then serolini followed exactly the same protocol that Monsanto had used in those rats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just carried it out to two years, two years plus in low and behold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was after 18 months, all of a sudden the rats started developing a cancer signal, a very, very significant cancer signal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, emphasizing two points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One, it's the long-term effects that we need to be concerned about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And two, our current regulatory apparatus is a prominent manipulation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, true potential health risks are not being adequately assessed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's hopeful when Dr. Fagan says, yes, you can clear glyphosate from your body in like four days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can clear microtoxins as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So regenerative farming share a little bit about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how that's turning things around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a sixth generation farmer, so I've been in farming my entire life and I've seen this from multiple angles, you know, I've been a university researcher and professor again a farmer on my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've also been a consultant in this sector for more than three decades now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So seeing it from all those different angles, I can honestly tell you that regenerative agriculture offers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the greatest hope that I've seen in my lifetime for turn and agriculture around and turn environmental health in human health around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We know that in a matter of three to five years from day one implementing regenerative principles and practices, we can radically change a farm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is not something that takes decades or centuries to accomplish, and that, to me, is what is most magnificent about this, is that we can do it in a short period of time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and as an example, many of the farms when we first began, if we do biological analysis, the life and the soil, we often see these farms having somewhere between 500 to 1500.
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[SPEAKER_04]: nanograms program a soil of active living biology.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but by year three to five, we have demonstrated that we can take that all the way up to more than 15 to 16,000 nanograms program of living active biology in the soil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's an exponential increase.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the living act is biology in a very short period of time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when you see that happens, it produces a radical impact in the way that our soils perform, the nutrient cycling, the water cycling, the way that our crops and our livestock perform, and as Dr. Vape Fleet has proven in his research,
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[SPEAKER_04]: the way or the significant improvement in the photo nutrient profile of all of these food stuff that we can then consume, you know, for our health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So again, that's an example.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Earlier, we talked about an example of a negative compounding effect, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But this is regenerative agriculture
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right and it doesn't take that long like you had said and it provides a lot of hope and it's not only good for our food and our health but it's good for our planet you know farmers are more successful there's less failed crops I would assume happier farmers happier soil happier health there's a win in every direction so it's really about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting this message out so that it's like what Dr. Stein said in the previous episode, we have power with our dollar, you know, really investing our money into our health, into our soil, you know, the food that we eat, really being intentional about what we're supporting in our system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always impressed by how quickly we see it too, so it's not a series of human nutrition trials as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you switch people over and remind you, this is obviously multifaceted, but when people switch over from a standard American diet to a whole food diet, rich in unprocessed fruits fetched the balls, specifically also from regenerative systems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We see that maybe, you know, your HPA won't see a marker of glucose metabolic out your triglycerides, your LDL cholesterol goes up over 20 year life span, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But within six months, you can get your blood work back into normal ranges.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the positive on the upside of that is that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems that we can undo the damage a lot faster that we're doing the damage, and I think maybe Alan can speak to that from a farming perspective, but we definitely also see it from a human health perspective.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is that the improvements that you can make are quite rapid?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's the upside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we collaborate with John and who did our analysis also on a human nutrition trial.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we also saw that they did the pesticide load of the people dropped by almost 60%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indecroplero is consuming products from regenerative systems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just tell you, I've shown it as well, that your pesticide load can drop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: by anywhere 60 to 90 percent within a matter of week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that tells you that it's never too late to start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also we can make things right a lot faster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we cost maybe some of these issues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, toward the beginning of this conversation, I was feeling a little bit pessimistic about everything, the amount of talks and microtoxins, glyphosate and all of these things that can certainly completely negatively impact your health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but I am very happy to hear at the end of this conversation that there's a way for us to undo some of this damage and do it relatively quickly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the message that I walk out of here with for all of my friends and family is filtered water and broccoli.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two things you can remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can all do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There comes that broccoli again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and fruits.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We can take it a little broader as practical guidance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We can always say that organic is the best choice if you can do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And if you are in a position where you can't do that, then there's an organization called Environmental Working Group.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they have a list of the dirty
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[SPEAKER_05]: 15.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, a clean 15.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Go to their website, check it out, and that will give you a more cost effective way of reducing things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we can give ourselves and our children safer, healthier diet, and it will make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it can do that as we've seen in a short period of time,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to emphasize that the point that John made is also is that what we see in our studies is that just not consuming a standard American diet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: get you pretty healthy and you know even if it's conventional produce even if it's fruits and vegetables even you know and and of course we were talking long term about some of the issues of of microtoxins of the issues of pesticides and that is real I know when I negate that but we just see when people don't consume an extended American diet they're health rapidly improves and maybe they're able to better tolerate some of the exposure even if you're consuming
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[SPEAKER_02]: a multitude of randomized control styles that we have done so far.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One other thing I'll point out here, and this is from the farmers perspective, and if we're going to change our food, we've got to change our farming, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to happen any other way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when we transition to regenerative principles and practices,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Our farms are also more resilient and more profitable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the emphasis.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the way that we're going to change the farmers mind about how they're farming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would just ask one question of Allen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can guess your answer, but I think the naysayers will always say, you can't feed a hungry planet with regenerative organic farming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can you please speak to that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that's one of the great myths that is perpetuated out there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would be very happy today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so we have done quite a bit of research looking at the sort of course
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what we're finding is that regenerative farms on an acre to acre basis are producing anywhere from three to eleven times more food per acre than their conventional counterparts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So my response to that question is the way to risk as we move forward being able to feed
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[SPEAKER_04]: the way we are going to be able to see the world going forward is farming regeneratively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, gosh, with that said, I think we're leaving with a great sense of hope and purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really want to thank all of you for being here for providing just such important information for everyone to hear and we will spread the word because we're on a mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our soils are being overwhelmed by pesticides and microtoxins, but our discussion today ends with a message of hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, triadas research scientists whom you heard today are translating hard science into something we can actually act on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's on us to demand change, with every seed planted every meal chosen and every dollar
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a single choice by one person may seem small, but just a few positive steps multiplied across all of us becomes the change that reshapes the future of our planet and our health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can learn more about triata and support their call to action at triataworld.org.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've included their website and social links in the show notes below.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also included a link to the previous episode with Triata Scientists, where we discussed issues with pesticides, heavy metals, and PFAS.
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