The Hidden Links Between Oral Health, Sleep, and Nutrition with Joel Gould - Episode 278

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

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I'm your host, Dr.

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Jeffrey Gladden.

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And today I'm joined by a dentist, Dr.

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Joel Gould.

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And Joel has been doing some interesting things.

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He's not a biological dentist per se, but in his own sphere, he's been researching and
developing some interesting concepts around different disorders.

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So with that as a teaser introduction, Joel, welcome to the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

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Thank you, I really appreciate being here.

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Yeah.

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So tell us a little bit about dentistry.

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Were you wanting to be a dentist ever since you were five or what?

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How did you get into that?

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I'm not one of those people.

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So ultimately what I discovered, so I'm Canadian and I've been a dentist for 35 years now.

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And ultimately I went into dentistry because of what happened to me in my health journey.

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So I was one of those sickly kids, had my tonsils out at age four, terrible dental decay.

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In fact, it's a good thing that I was okay with the dentistry that happened to me because
it didn't stop me from being a dentist.

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At the age of 14, I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and I was quite sick.

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And the diagnosis was actually a relief like it is most times to know what's wrong with
you.

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I was told I had a genetic disease and that that's the way it was.

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And I could try these different medications.

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I probably would have gone into medicine, but dentistry seemed like a much more sane
choice because being in an operating room doesn't work when you have Crohn's disease.

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And just the lifestyle of an intern would not be appropriate.

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And I'm an artist at heart.

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So what's interesting is most dentists, think, are artists, maybe frustrated artists.

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And so I thought the dentistry would be a great fit.

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You have your own business.

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I'm an entrepreneur.

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I can use my hands.

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So everything really fit together.

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I really, you know, I grew up in central Canada.

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And right now you're going to see the lights going to come up here.

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I'm in Southern California and there's fog that's clearing.

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So I grew up in central Canada in a place called Winnipeg, two and a half hours north of
Fargo, North Dakota.

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And the limitations of my life were really that I had Crohn's disease.

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I had been on prednisone for so many years through puberty.

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And it really destroyed my body and destroyed my mind, to be honest with you.

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The insecurity of having a disease like Crohn's disease, it wasn't so much just the
physical, it was the emotional and mental that comes along with it.

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And I still don't think to this day that any traditional allopathic doctors really
understand Crohn's disease at all.

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And I wasn't looking for it.

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I was not a biologic dentist.

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I was not interested in any of that stuff.

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I had a completely different experience.

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So at the age of 48, and I had lived a life the best that I could, being a sick person and
understanding that I had a flaw.

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And the other issue was that I was obese most of my life, no matter what I did.

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And it's not uncommon for people with Crohn's disease.

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there is a dysregulation of a lot of things that goes wrong.

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So it was one of those things where a bad combination of the emotional toll of having that
weird disease and then being unhappy with myself physically as a dentist, I'm a doctor,

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I'm a health and wellness person.

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If I can't get fit, what am I gonna be telling my patients?

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So I struggled and I really, it's kind of funny because part of what put me on the right
path was me struggling.

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I had tried so many times, so many different diets, so many different exercise regimens
that

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At one point in time, I said, is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go to the gym for three
hours every night.

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And I got up in the dark and I went to bed in the dark and then basically I got very sick.

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I started to have anxiety at a time I never had it before.

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And then I got MRSA, methazillin resistant staph aureus.

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And I had some really bad abscesses and it didn't make any sense to me.

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My girlfriend at the time did not have it.

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So, we were sharing a bedroom.

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And it didn't really quite strike me what could be the issue there, but the anxiety got my
attention and I started really having more severe issues.

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I want to make...

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Yeah, please.

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on you're still on prednisone during all of this?

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Is that what's happening?

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No, I had tried different medications.

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I'd cycled on and off every medication that, know, wherever I was, I found a different
gastroenterologist.

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Hey, what's the latest stuff?

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You know, I tried them all.

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And interestingly enough, you know, some,

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you were on medication at the time you got to MRSA.

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That point in time, no, I think I had given up.

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I was just dealing with my symptoms.

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I had learned how to live my life, getting up early and that type of stuff.

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So I still didn't know really what was wrong with me, but I knew something was wrong.

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And it wasn't until very interesting experiences, dentists, I'd already been in the field
for 25 years and I was always looking for the next thing.

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What could I learn?

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And I started to learn about sleep apnea.

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And this was something that was brand new.

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It was being marketed to me saying, hey,

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you can help your patients and you can make money the typical way that the dental
marketing goes.

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And I really wanted to get into the apnea space, because I could see that lot of my
patients were suffering from it.

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And I had been in that location already for about 10, 15 years.

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And so on a weekend class in Las Vegas, I put on a sleep study mask and discovered that I
had apnea.

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know, to anyone who's listening to this who knows anything about apnea, I had an AHI apnea
hypopnea index of 22.

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And that was a shock to me because I was at my most fit ever.

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And yeah.

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Just explain that to the audience what the results were for the sleep apnea.

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So apnea is measured in whether it's mild, moderate, severe by the number of times you
stop breathing for 30 seconds or more.

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And those are your apneas.

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Okay.

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So you get graded if it's above 30, they tell you you should be wearing a CPAP if you're
choking 30 times an hour.

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So I was at 22, which was moderate and it was a perfect fit for an oral device.

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So I was learning about them.

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What do they do?

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How do they work?

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And to anyone who doesn't know, dentists treat sleep apnea.

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And we do that for people who

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can't wear a CPAP, won't wear a CPAP, have failed CPAP.

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And it's a relatively effective treatment.

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stops snoring immediately.

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And that's usually the major complaint.

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People don't come to me saying, I have apnea.

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I know it's going to increase my risk for all these chronic inflammatory diseases.

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They say, I got kicked out of the bedroom.

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I'm snoring.

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And so the nice part about an oral device is it's easy to fit if you know what you're
doing, and then it can stop snoring as little as one night.

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And to anyone out there who is wearing one of these, if you are not wearing a mandibular
repositioning,

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piece, then you're making a mistake.

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stop right away, call your dentist because you always want to put your job back up into
the right position after you've had it forwards all night.

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And that's maybe a discussion we get into a little deeper if people want to know more
about apnea.

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My story is interesting though, cause that was the impetus.

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just, let's just dissect that for a second.

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So the mandible of course is your lower jaw.

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And what you're saying is that as people are sleeping, their mandible, the lower jaw moves
out of position.

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Is that, that what you're saying?

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the oral device is designed, it's a mandibular advancement device and is designed to
increase the volume of the airway because people to this day still believe this is a

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structural issue and it is.

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So right away I want to say that sleep apnea is a complete neurological condition.

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It is not structural.

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The structures of the airway and the jaw and the tongue can amplify, but they are not the
root cause.

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The bigger tongue and the fat neck, that's a result of many, many years of choking in your
sleep.

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The syndrome itself starts as early as birth and it changes over the years.

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So to learn this and to start to, I went around the country, I went to Canada, I went
around the country to see, there's different groups who believe it's head position.

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Some people think it's a tongue tie.

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So all dentists are very hard workers and we like to be scientific.

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So we like to get a reason for this.

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And so a whole industry has been created about these different possibilities.

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Where do we put the jaw?

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You know, what are we going to do?

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And so those men to advancement devices, they're an allopathic treatment.

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They treat the symptoms of disease and they do treat the root cause a bit because if
you're choking in your sleep all night, you're, you're basically, you're having a cortisol

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spikes and you're not sleeping.

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So once you get one of those men to advancement devices in there, it can be life changing
and have many, many people who, who they've regained their life because it allowed them to

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sleep and it's not the, it's not the device that works.

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It's the sleep.

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The sleep heals you.

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If you don't restore yourself every night, you're going to break down.

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And how you break down is going to be based on you and your genetic predisposition
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All right.

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So this all led me to a very interesting place because I disagreed with everyone.

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Some people, and I had a woman who came to me who said she was a petite 26 year old woman
who said the last dentist she went to that she should have the sides of her tongue cut off

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because it was too big.

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And she left that office and I said, please don't ever do anything like that.

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So all the, the,

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what I'm hearing you say is that you could get her tongue to shrink down if you actually
kind of take a root cause approach here.

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Right.

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what's the neurological root cause of all this?

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All right, well, I want to stop and give credit to who I discovered is a neurologist by
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The majority of this is her work.

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And I took it as a clinician.

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She's no longer practicing.

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I took her protocol as a clinician and started to do it on myself and then in my practice.

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So the root cause, in my opinion, or the primary root cause of sleep apnea is an
acetylcholine deficiency secondary to a vitamin D deficiency.

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So how this works, and I wanna make it sort of just a summary, is that when you're young,
when you're a child and you have sleep apnea, you snore, you grind your teeth.

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And to anyone watching this who has children who grind their teeth, it's a simple vitamin
D deficiency.

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It's a short circuit from the autonomic nervous system to the airway.

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And if you think about it, our bodies are wired.

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We can live without food for quite a while and we can live without water for a while if we
need to, but we can't live without air for more than three minutes.

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That's the priority.

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Your brain is wired to control your airway.

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You have to be paralyzed.

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You have to be able to be swallowing.

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You have to be able to have a coordinated breathing.

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Your mouth is closed.

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You're breathing through your nose.

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expands.

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You get nitric oxide, expands the lungs.

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So this is a very ancient breathing system that gets broken down.

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And it's broken down when you think about this.

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So acetylcholine is the primary neurotransmitter of the rest and digest arm of the
autonomic nervous system.

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Yep.

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Okay, and so I want to lay this syndrome out just simply because then we can go from
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So step number one, vitamin D is known for many different things, but in my opinion, the
three most important things are for regulating the immune system, regulating the sleep

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cycle, which I'll explain, and regulating the gut microbiome.

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And of course, it makes sense that your vitamin D status would be related to your gut
microbiome.

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In winter, you may need a different gut microbiome, but what actually happens is that
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they want that vitamin D as well.

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And when your D level is evolutionary, and what people are walking around with now is
nothing to do with that.

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If your D level is evolutionary, and the zone that you wanna be in to be able to
transcribe the enzyme choline acetyltransferase in the brain stem, because acetylcholine

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has to be made in the neurons, you can't take it, it's not gonna cross the blood-brain
barrier, is that you need to have that higher D level to transcribe enough of that enzyme.

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Now that's step one.

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you also need to have enough B5, pantothenic acid, which is the precursor.

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So the combination and what makes it worse, if you're on a vegan diet now, you don't have
any choline.

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So acetylcholine needs to be made and it needs B5, pantothenic acid.

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And where does that come from?

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It comes from the gut microbiome.

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The four pieces of bacteria make the eight B vitamins and that's Stashe Gomenak's work.

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It's verifiable.

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Is there a ton of studies to support it?

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No.

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But of course it makes sense.

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So if we carry the gut microbiome that makes all eight B vitamins, that's our benefit.

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And if we don't have the right vitamin D level, those beneficial gut bacteria, disappear
or there's not enough of them to produce the B vitamins, right?

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So not having enough vitamin B5.

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Now, is it only B5?

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In this particular case, that's what I'm talking about.

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Are the other B vitamins involved?

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Well, sure they are for the production of energy.

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And if you don't have enough ATP, you can't take your acetylcholine and you can't get it.

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all the way down the length of the neuron through the motor proteins, they take one ATP
for every step.

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So the question is how much energy is needed to run this system?

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And if there aren't B vitamins, can it be run properly?

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So the simple supplementation in children of vitamin D alone will stop bruxism, clenching
and grinding and snoring and pediatric sleep apnea within days.

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And it's shocking because...

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is just so I'm clear now, you're talking about vitamin D3, is that right?

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Okay.

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And are you talking about synthetic vitamin D3 or are you talking about the kind of
vitamin D that comes out of food or?

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Well, so I believe that vitamin D is a structural molecule hormone and I believe that it's
best to get it from the sun.

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If you live in Northern climate, I believe there's nothing wrong with supplementing it.

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I saved my own life by simply supplementing this.

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When I learned that vitamin D was important, all I did was I went to CVS Pharmacy and I
bought one bottle of magnesium.

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I was not supplementing anything.

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I did not care about supplements.

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I was not interested.

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I bought one bottle of magnesium.

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one bottle of vitamin K2 and one bottle of vitamin D3 and I began to raise my vitamin D
level in an effort to reverse my apnea.

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So walk us through why you added the magnesium in the K2 for the audience here.

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Well, over the over time and in my vestiges was 10 years ago.

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So this wasn't a hot topic back then.

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It was it was just the beginning of the biohacking movement and it wasn't well known that
if you took vitamin D, you should take it with vitamin K2 to manage the calcium.

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And it wasn't well known.

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know, magnesium, I think, is obvious to supplement because it's really been removed from
our food chain with all the modern processed foods, particularly glyphosate, which is a

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key later.

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It's going to steal those minerals and you're going to need to supplement.

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that combination.

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of D3, K2, and magnesium, I started to call them the terrific trio.

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And if you look deeper into my work, you're gonna find the foundational four, and that's
vitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium, and organic sulfur.

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Two vitamins, technically, vitamin D is not really a vitamin, and two minerals.

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And the reason that I call them the foundational four is that I believe that
supplementation of those four elements is gonna reverse.

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literally 80 % of the chronic inflammatory illness that we see.

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20 % of the people are gonna need to have much further investigation into their health.

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But for so many people, just taking those three items, I added the sulfur after I met Dr.

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Stephanie Senif and I realized what the Zeta potential was and that the lack of sulfur
could contribute to cardiovascular disease and to joint breakdown, you know, the drying

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out of your fascia.

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So those have been my focus, and this was all about 10 years ago I discovered this.

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Okay, interesting, really interesting.

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And so in doing this, you've been able to fix yourself, I take it.

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Well, let me tell you what happened.

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So I was working on my sleep.

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I made myself an oral device.

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But the strange thing that happened was, so when I was in dental school, I started
grinding my teeth and I made my first grinding guard in 1987.

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And I never questioned it.

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I grind my teeth, I wear my grinding card at night.

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And then over the years, I saw more and more and more of my patients every year coming in
saying, I'm grinding my teeth, I can't stop.

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So I made more grinding guards.

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But as I started to raise my vitamin D level, did it carefully because I didn't know it.

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10 years ago, there was literature saying, oh, you're going to die of an overdose if you
take 10,000 international units.

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That's toxic.

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And that's what I take during this time change, even here in Southern California, because
I have a job.

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I can't be outside.

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So I take that 10,000 IU every day.

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So what happened to me was that over a three month period, I wasn't really focusing on it,
but I woke up one day and the pain that I had felt in my back and in my knees and in my

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neck was gone.

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I realized that my Crohn's disease had receded so profoundly that I caught myself out in
public not knowing where there were bathrooms.

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And that was a shock to me.

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So it was an accidental reversal of Crohn's disease by raising my vitamin D.

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And I still didn't really understand the profound nature of vitamin D.

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I had a good idea based on Dr.

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Gomenak's work of what it was doing.

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But then I sat down and did a bunch of research.

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This was before CHAT GPT.

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So I did it myself on PubMed.

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And of course I found studies that when

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They took a group of 30 people with Crohn's disease and supplemented their vitamin D and
28 of them had complete resolution of the disease.

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I would have wanted my doctor to have seen that study, but you know what the world's like.

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So I found two or three studies that verified it.

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I had a mechanism of action, multiple, multiple anti-inflammatory killing the bacteria
that were endemic in my colon.

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couldn't make enough butyrate.

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had the wrong gut microbiome.

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there's multiple, the story of this, you know, it's complex and it's probably, you know,
doesn't suit, suit your listeners who are probably at a higher level here.

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But the story was shocking to me because, you know, I, I, I go back to my doctor?

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No, of course not.

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Because he wouldn't have been interested.

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Not even a little bit.

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And anyone, any, any person who's in some form of practice who realizes that they've been
wrong on something, they don't go back to their doctor because their doctor's not going to

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recognize it.

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Even a close family friend could have cared less, you know.

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And so what happened to me then as I started to see the real issue, now at the very
beginning of this journey, I discovered Westin A.

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Price.

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Now keeping in mind that I discovered and reversed my Crohn's disease at the age of 48, my
life was potentially over because I didn't do all the things that I wanted to do.

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I didn't have children because I didn't want to spread a genetic disease.

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It's a real, it's mind blowing kind of realization that your whole life has been in vain.

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Now also, I'm gonna turn to the side so you can see my profile.

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I also suffer from a syndrome that I've labeled and we should call long face syndrome and
that's a mouth breathing syndrome that I see in all of the kids today.

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And that's because they can't breathe through their nose because their nasal septum with
vitamin K2 deficiency becomes calcified inappropriately and their tonsils get swollen when

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their vitamin D level drops down and you should know, you already know that tonsil size is
inversely proportional.

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vitamin D status, the lower the vitamin D, the bigger the tonsils.

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And yes, studies exist on PubMed, more than one.

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And so now they have this airway obstruction.

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These kids are breathing through their mouth and it narrows the palate and it totally
shrinks the airway.

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This is massive because as these kids are suffering from a vitamin D3, vitamin K2,
technically magnesium deficiency in childhood, as their bodies start to develop, first

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issue is they're not sleeping right.

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So their growth and development is delayed.

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Dental

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Dental development shows you the physical age of a child.

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Now, I didn't go into puberty until I was 14.

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It was a terrible life.

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And I see these kids showing up 14 years old, look like they're 10 years old.

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They have the dentition of an 11 year old and they're 14, 15.

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I see it every day.

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So what struck me is that when I found Weston A.

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Price and he said vitamin D3, vitamin K2, ancestral diet.

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Do not use, do not eat industrial seed oils.

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He said that almost a hundred years ago, do not eat industrial seed oils.

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And his work, it's not that it just wasn't celebrated.

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It was completely hidden and still is.

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There is not one single traditional medical or dental school that I'm aware of in North
America or anywhere that even features his work and says, this guy's a villain.

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This guy's wrong.

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He talked about this.

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He took these pictures.

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I think that Weston A.

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Price is, this is the most scandalous story because he is the modern father of
epigenetics.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's right.

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at a time when eugenics was in full swing.

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This is 1937, 1938.

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And he's saying, hey guys, I don't think, so it was discussed that the destruction of the
jaw was a result of the mixing of the bloodlines and nothing could be further from the

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truth.

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He was showing the destruction of the jaw in one generation.

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We know that's not evolution.

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That is epigenetics.

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That's the power of the environment, right?

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if I recall, he was the guy that was looking at native cultures where their teeth were all
straight and everything was beautiful.

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And then he was looking at civilized countries where people were eating early modes of
processed foods and more sugar and things and the kids were all messed up.

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Right.

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And so, yeah, so that's kind of an epigenetic study, if you will.

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Right.

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You change the environment, you change the genetic expression.

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Yeah.

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yeah, so I want you to think of this.

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So because his work was suppressed and still is suppressed, I went to dental school just
up the road from where he was born.

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And had I discovered his work in dental school when I was 19, I would have a completely
different life.

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So the idea, wasn't just this, this is so personal to me that I had my life taken away by
this stupidity, but the lack of the omittance of vitamin D as a powerful psychosteroid,

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hormone and epigenetic moderator and the missing vitamin K2 to go along with it.

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This is some of the most scandalous stuff in all of our medical history.

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And it resulted in me losing my life and having inappropriate, I had 15 root canals, I had
terrible dental work.

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Why would a dentist still be having dental work done?

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If you don't know about vitamin D and you wear sunscreen, you follow doctor's orders.

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I was a good allopathic doctor.

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and I would never go out.

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moved to Southern California.

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I didn't know what was wrong with me.

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I lived in Vancouver, British Columbia, and I was very unhappy.

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I was about 250 pounds.

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No matter what I did, I couldn't lose weight.

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When I came to Southern California, my health improved definitely a bit, but I slathered
that sunscreen on my face day after day, and I allowed myself to have all that UVA

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radiation penetrate my face, and I had suppressed my vitamin D for years.

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So it wasn't a shock for me to get my first basal cell carcinoma.

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And then when I went to get my MOHS procedure, which is the treatment, sitting in a room
with people 10, 15 years older than me, all saying how, yeah, this is my third, fourth,

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fifth trip.

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You know, I wasn't very happy about that, but I understand why it happened.

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I understand that sunlight is only healthy when you have all the components and you use
them appropriately.

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If you're a hunter gatherer, you don't need sunscreen.

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If you want to wear sunscreen, really dig in deep.

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And you know, when I started to write my book, I was going to call it, Sunscreen Causes
Cancer.

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I ended up calling it the modern epidemic.

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And what I mean by that is that there is a syndrome that's being caused by the human
animal being separated from the evolutionary elements living outside, living indoors.

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This place I call my home is a cage.

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And we know that animals in captivity get sick because our zookeepers, our doctors, they
haven't figured out how our bodies work and they don't know what to put in the cage with

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us to keep us healthy.

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And then it made me come up with my, one of my favorite sayings that you can't fix or
repair something until you understand how it works and know why it broke down in the first

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place.

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And our doctors have no clue and I respect them so much.

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And I'm one of them, no clue how our bodies actually work.

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So when I discovered this, it started to really bother me and I wanted to share my
information, but no one would listen.

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If I called you up 10 years ago and said, Hey, I'm a dentist from Canada.

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And I think that it's so important that all the pediatric dentists get on the bandwagon.

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Why don't we have room for all of our teeth anymore?

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It's not evolution, it's epigenetics.

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So, you know, this is why we don't have room for our wisdom teeth.

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This is why kids need braces.

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Now they need them twice.

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When I was young, it was very unusual.

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It wasn't identified because kids still played outside.

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It was very different.

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Now in the early 1990s, we have one more element coming in just to mess things up and
that's glyphosate.

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Now,

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I've identified glyphosate as a villain and you've already understand that deuterium is a
villain because you've done a podcast with Victor Saglowski who's great.

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And so I made these the villains of what I created because this isn't right.

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I see children suffering every day and my own patients don't necessarily listen to me.

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When I tell them something, I started telling my patients to supplement vitamin D 10 years
ago.

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Some of them took them five years until their doctor told them they were low and said, I
started supplementing.

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I'm like, why did you wait till now?

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because my doctor told me, I'm not insulted, I'm a dentist.

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People didn't come to me for vitamin D advice.

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I gave it to them anyway, it didn't matter to me.

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But the most important thing, I'm gonna tell you some really interesting and incredible
things that I discovered in the syndrome, but the most important thing that I'm gonna do

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is if there's even one person listening to this whose child grinds their teeth, if their
child sucks their thumb, if your child sucks your thumb, do not make them stop.

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They are creating their own mandibular advancement device to keep alive.

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And that's the bizarre part.

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There's so many easy things that can be done to fix this syndrome.

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So I felt helpless because even my best friends, they could have cared less.

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They saw my transformation, but it didn't matter to them because they didn't experience it
until you feel it yourself.

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Until I was going to the bathroom 25 times a day sometimes and it changed to once a day.

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I mean, this is I said to myself.

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Wow, people are lucky that they get to do this.

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Shocking, I know.

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And this destroys people's lives.

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So I knew that, yes, it's important that I talk to you.

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Your viewers are higher level.

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You're talking about longevity and thinking about how to extend health, which I think is
amazing because that's health in general.

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But what I want to do is I want to incorporate this very simple information that Weston A.

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Price uncovered and that I'm trying to modernize into popular culture so that it becomes
part of the fabric of society.

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Because I want you to think about this.

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Initially, vitamin D deficiency caused rickets.

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When we got rid of it, they put a tiny bit of vitamin D into everything.

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500 IU, 100 IU, 100 IU in Trinidad units per day is enough to stop rickets.

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And then we forgot about it.

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I have on my Instagram post, I have a picture of Schlitz beer.

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was a sunshine beer with vitamin D.

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Then tuberculosis came around and we used to send our people to lie.

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I have a picture of people lying in hospital beds to reverse tuberculosis.

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How many times are we going to forget how important vitamin D is?

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And you know, so to me, this is it.

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This is the last time.

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This is my last stand.

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I don't want to leave this planet until this information is a part of society.

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So I decided to put my efforts rather not into research.

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I don't have to prove this to anyone.

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It's there.

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The studies are there.

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The mechanism of action is there.

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It's obvious.

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If you have a child that's suffering, you can do this within weeks.

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You can change the trajectory of their life.

427
00:26:42,742 --> 00:26:48,615
So what I most wanted to do was to be able to incorporate the simple information and make
it irrefutable.

428
00:26:48,615 --> 00:26:50,656
And that's when I created my cartoon characters.

429
00:26:50,656 --> 00:26:51,597
And here's one of them right here.

430
00:26:51,597 --> 00:26:54,880
That's Marty mitochondria, as in your mitochondria.

431
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,244
So I wanted to put this into popular culture like TikTok and Instagram.

432
00:26:59,244 --> 00:27:00,825
And that's exactly what I'm doing.

433
00:27:00,825 --> 00:27:06,250
So right now, after 35 years in dentistry, I shifted gears to do what I need to do.

434
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:08,231
And that is to be in media and entertainment.

435
00:27:08,231 --> 00:27:09,653
I took media training.

436
00:27:09,653 --> 00:27:11,654
I hired animators.

437
00:27:11,654 --> 00:27:15,618
I got one of my patients who's an artist to create these characters with me.

438
00:27:15,618 --> 00:27:17,691
And that's really to insert

439
00:27:17,691 --> 00:27:20,172
some sense into kids' lives.

440
00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:24,963
If you, anyone listening to this who has kids, you can see how empty the cartoon world is.

441
00:27:24,963 --> 00:27:27,174
It's just a bunch of rehash nonsense.

442
00:27:27,174 --> 00:27:34,016
Now, I have a whole movie called Enzymes, Mother Nature's Nanobots, and it's, imagine
Finding Nemo instead of fish.

443
00:27:34,016 --> 00:27:42,698
It's enzymes, and instead of telling you a silly story, they're gonna elucidate science by
their music, their song, their dance, and humor.

444
00:27:42,698 --> 00:27:45,319
Tongue-in-cheek humor that's good for parents and kids.

445
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:54,423
So my focus for the next 35 years of my life, and I am counting on you to help me to make
that happen, is that I need to change this paradigm.

446
00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:55,839
This is the most important thing.

447
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,124
10 years ago, I was crazy.

448
00:27:58,124 --> 00:28:03,186
Five years ago when COVID came, people started to think, maybe he's onto something.

449
00:28:03,186 --> 00:28:06,487
And now with the new government, this is the right time.

450
00:28:06,488 --> 00:28:15,249
RFK can ban red dye number three, but big pharma, big food, big agri is going to be there
fighting this battle.

451
00:28:15,249 --> 00:28:20,654
and who's gonna be doing the opposition, everything's corrupted in the government, even
when you understand something.

452
00:28:20,654 --> 00:28:22,106
It's very hard to make a change.

453
00:28:22,106 --> 00:28:29,554
So my decision was to bring this to the masses and to make it fun and to let people
memorize this stuff, kids will memorize everything.

454
00:28:29,554 --> 00:28:35,199
And if you give them something more than some nonsense, I don't wanna name any franchises,
but they'll remember it.

455
00:28:35,199 --> 00:28:37,521
So my cartoon characters are amino acids and enzymes.

456
00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:39,347
Sorry to have gone on so long.

457
00:28:39,347 --> 00:28:44,747
But I have a lot of knowledge on dosing vitamin D, how to treat sleep apnea, how to treat
pediatric sleep apnea.

458
00:28:44,747 --> 00:28:49,807
But what I really wanted to make it clear to who I am, what I want to do 35 years as a
clinician is enough.

459
00:28:49,807 --> 00:28:52,407
Me working on one person, it doesn't work for me.

460
00:28:52,407 --> 00:28:55,107
I want to share my information with a wider audience.

461
00:28:55,107 --> 00:28:57,407
And that's one of the reasons I'm here.

462
00:28:57,407 --> 00:29:02,927
Obviously I'm fascinated by your work because as you get into vitamin D, you realize this
is the hormone that can keep you young.

463
00:29:02,927 --> 00:29:05,167
And if you don't know about it, you're in trouble.

464
00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:06,363
And sleep apnea,

465
00:29:06,363 --> 00:29:11,475
is very obviously of item D deficiency like so many things including Crohn's disease.

466
00:29:12,078 --> 00:29:13,235
I'm, yeah.

467
00:29:13,235 --> 00:29:16,155
it's fascinating work that you've done.

468
00:29:17,977 --> 00:29:24,559
We find that biology is many times multifactorial, that it's not always reduced down to a
single thing.

469
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:32,102
That being said, I think that there is really a dearth of vitamin D.

470
00:29:32,803 --> 00:29:37,264
There's a pandemic, an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency.

471
00:29:37,325 --> 00:29:40,246
And I think the numbers are all wrong to your point.

472
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:43,010
30 or 35 is good enough.

473
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:46,690
I mean, we've always pushed vitamin D to 70, 80, 100, 110.

474
00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:48,610
We see 110, we don't really worry about it, right?

475
00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:50,310
Because that's not a problem.

476
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:58,950
And we always combine it with K2 because you need the two of them to, you know, move
calcium around appropriately to get it in the bones and out of the arteries.

477
00:29:59,390 --> 00:30:00,670
So yeah, that's all good.

478
00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:07,170
But I wasn't really aware of the connection with Crohn's disease, which is interesting, or
with bruxism, which is grinding of teeth.

479
00:30:08,030 --> 00:30:10,970
So it's interesting that you've come across that.

480
00:30:11,554 --> 00:30:22,393
You know, it's also interesting that you're basically educating children with sort of the
concept of scientific literacy or health literacy even, right?

481
00:30:22,393 --> 00:30:28,849
So there's an element of scientific literacy and an element of health literacy going on,
which isn't taught.

482
00:30:28,849 --> 00:30:31,921
And parents don't know how to teach it because they're illiterate themselves.

483
00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:36,145
And then the schools obviously don't teach it because they're lined up with traditional
medicine.

484
00:30:36,145 --> 00:30:38,637
So, you know, I applaud the work that you're doing.

485
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:39,637
And I think

486
00:30:41,142 --> 00:30:42,003
It's very, very cool.

487
00:30:42,003 --> 00:30:48,644
I'm going to relook at, we do sleep studies for people and sleep, diagnose sleep apnea and
things like that.

488
00:30:48,644 --> 00:30:51,644
I'm going to, I'm going to relook at all of our vitamin D levels.

489
00:30:51,644 --> 00:30:58,306
I'm, yeah, I'm, I'll be very curious to see your findings, but, you know, I created a
sleep restoration program.

490
00:30:58,306 --> 00:31:02,808
And so I'm actually very curious to know, I know you've got a great facility and you do a
lot of great stuff.

491
00:31:02,808 --> 00:31:05,749
I was curious to know what you did with your sleep apnea patients.

492
00:31:05,749 --> 00:31:11,451
If you recommended a CPAP or I don't, you know, I'm curious to have someone like yourself
who understands the higher level stuff.

493
00:31:11,451 --> 00:31:13,091
How do you treat apnea?

494
00:31:13,198 --> 00:31:20,901
Well, it's interesting, you know, there's a real correlation between hypothyroidism,
subclinical hypothyroidism and sleep apnea.

495
00:31:21,381 --> 00:31:27,404
yeah, there's more to thyroid than vitamin D, I'll tell you that.

496
00:31:27,404 --> 00:31:30,025
But the point, now let me just finish for a second.

497
00:31:30,085 --> 00:31:39,009
there is, there's a real connection between hypothyroidism and sleep apnea and they sort
of play off each other.

498
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:42,248
And it's really important, I think,

499
00:31:42,248 --> 00:31:50,775
when you're evaluating somebody with sleep apnea to do resting metabolic rates, so you
actually see what is the set point for thyroid activity at the cellular level, we find

500
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:52,426
that that's missed all the time.

501
00:31:52,426 --> 00:31:58,731
You can't look at blood work on thyroid and they're in the quote unquote normal range and
so everything's fine.

502
00:31:58,731 --> 00:32:00,773
That's really, really a misnomer.

503
00:32:00,773 --> 00:32:06,898
The other thing that's interesting is the genetics around thyroid in the sense that...

504
00:32:07,296 --> 00:32:13,650
It's a DIO2 enzyme that basically diodinates T4 to T3 in the brain.

505
00:32:13,851 --> 00:32:16,102
DIO1 does it systemically.

506
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:19,194
So you can actually have normal thyroid levels systemically.

507
00:32:19,194 --> 00:32:27,500
You can even have a normal resting metabolic rate and you still can have a dearth of
active thyroid in the brain if you don't know your genetics.

508
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:36,344
So really unraveling that not to get thyroid where it needs to be in the brain also from
our perspective is also a key

509
00:32:36,344 --> 00:32:38,626
thing in treating sleep apnea, right?

510
00:32:38,626 --> 00:32:41,588
So, we do that kind of work.

511
00:32:41,588 --> 00:32:48,903
And then, yeah, we do have people that get CPAP, but then we're also looking at all the
vitamin levels, right?

512
00:32:48,903 --> 00:32:54,806
The D3K2, the intracellular levels, the extracellular levels, and deconstructing all that.

513
00:32:55,467 --> 00:32:57,589
And then we do look at body composition as well, right?

514
00:32:57,589 --> 00:32:59,710
So, and insulin resistance.

515
00:33:00,451 --> 00:33:02,572
So, all that sort of factors in.

516
00:33:02,572 --> 00:33:04,394
So really, it's multifactorial.

517
00:33:04,394 --> 00:33:05,494
The other thing

518
00:33:05,614 --> 00:33:13,354
Is that a lot of people, when they get hormonally depleted, they have a difficult time
maintaining proper body composition.

519
00:33:13,354 --> 00:33:14,894
Their brains don't work as well, right?

520
00:33:14,894 --> 00:33:17,314
Talk about brain dysfunction, estrogen levels go down.

521
00:33:17,314 --> 00:33:26,294
And a lot of men, when they're put on testosterone, they're basically robbed of estrogen
because they're put on a drug and it actually is all the block testosterone to estrogen

522
00:33:26,294 --> 00:33:27,014
conversion, right?

523
00:33:27,014 --> 00:33:33,898
So now, know, women's brains are very sensitive to lack of estrogen as they go through.

524
00:33:33,898 --> 00:33:37,929
menopause and men are too, particularly if they're put on testosterone.

525
00:33:37,929 --> 00:33:45,462
to us to really optimize the whole scenario here is more than ever a single agent.

526
00:33:45,682 --> 00:33:52,885
certainly what you're talking about, there's no denying that vitamin D is critical, right?

527
00:33:52,885 --> 00:33:54,725
It's not even important, it's actually critical.

528
00:33:54,725 --> 00:33:56,953
yeah, anyway, so that gives you some.

529
00:33:56,953 --> 00:34:00,785
interject when I say vitamin D, what I really mean is sun exposure.

530
00:34:00,785 --> 00:34:04,707
So keep in mind that when I started this process, I wasn't thinking about sun exposure.

531
00:34:04,707 --> 00:34:08,478
I thought I spent a ton of time in the sun and the supplementation works.

532
00:34:08,478 --> 00:34:11,270
that even goes back to, know, with synthetic vitamin D.

533
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:15,111
My supplementation of inexpensive vitamin D from CVS worked.

534
00:34:15,111 --> 00:34:17,973
Now, however, once I started to realize why would I wanna do this?

535
00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:23,295
So I believe it's being in the sun is actually much more health promoting than just simply
vitamin D.

536
00:34:23,442 --> 00:34:24,963
interesting, let me interrupt that.

537
00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:31,867
So interestingly, as we age, we don't convert inactive vitamin D to active vitamin D in
the skin as readily as we used to.

538
00:34:31,867 --> 00:34:34,799
So there's also a decrease in that ability to do that.

539
00:34:34,799 --> 00:34:45,184
So now you're making a trade off between, you know, sun exposure, you know, the ozone
layers back, but sun exposure, which we think is fantastic.

540
00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:52,340
And actually, really interestingly enough, it's early morning sun that is some of the most
important sun to bring in through your retina.

541
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,790
It actually activates melatonin production.

542
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:55,991
It turns your brain on.

543
00:34:55,991 --> 00:34:57,611
gets everything going.

544
00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:01,213
It increases acetylcholine synthesis.

545
00:35:01,213 --> 00:35:04,984
So early morning sun is good and you don't really get a burn from it, right?

546
00:35:04,984 --> 00:35:10,635
You don't really get burned in the first, know, when the sun's at 15 degrees, you're not
really getting a burn, right?

547
00:35:10,635 --> 00:35:12,676
It's at two o'clock in the afternoon.

548
00:35:12,676 --> 00:35:19,598
The other thing about the skin cancer and your basal skill cell cancer is you can never, I
can, if you take helio care,

549
00:35:19,598 --> 00:35:22,900
Heliocare is polypodium leukotomus, comes from a fern.

550
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:31,885
If you take that capsule every day or twice a day, when you go out in the sun, you take it
every four hours, I will bet you that you won't get another skin cancer.

551
00:35:31,945 --> 00:35:38,058
We have wiped out skin cancer for so many people, and so that's been super useful.

552
00:35:38,058 --> 00:35:42,151
And I don't wear sunscreen, but I take heliocare every day.

553
00:35:42,151 --> 00:35:44,092
I've never had a skin cancer.

554
00:35:44,752 --> 00:35:47,918
And when you do that, you can actually get more sun exposure.

555
00:35:47,918 --> 00:35:49,079
to your point.

556
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:52,253
if sun exposure is important, that's a good thing.

557
00:35:52,253 --> 00:35:55,247
And the other thing about being outside, of course, is electrical grounding.

558
00:35:55,247 --> 00:35:58,151
That has a big impact on the whole system as well.

559
00:35:58,151 --> 00:36:00,673
So yeah, anyway, those would be my thoughts.

560
00:36:01,175 --> 00:36:02,215
Very good.

561
00:36:02,215 --> 00:36:04,615
And I agree with her on all that.

562
00:36:04,815 --> 00:36:11,235
yeah, what I'm, the problem is that when you say to somebody, you know, your vitamin D
level is low, you have two choices.

563
00:36:11,235 --> 00:36:18,615
You supplement, you go in the sun and you know this already that every single one of my
patients say, I have an uncle that had melanoma and I have to say melanoma is actually

564
00:36:18,615 --> 00:36:24,615
vitamin D or sunlight deficiency because you don't get melanoma on your nose or on your
head or on your ears like you do the other two cancers.

565
00:36:24,615 --> 00:36:28,123
Anyway, it's not a very interesting discussion, but.

566
00:36:28,123 --> 00:36:30,305
It's not the vitamin D, it's being in the sun.

567
00:36:30,305 --> 00:36:35,709
And that's where I, when I got into deuterium and I became fascinated with that.

568
00:36:35,709 --> 00:36:46,967
And so the question is, why are you really down regulating your ability to make vitamin D
or is the cholesterol in your skin deuterated and it's much more difficult to make vitamin

569
00:36:46,967 --> 00:36:47,237
D?

570
00:36:47,237 --> 00:36:49,539
Because that's a conversation that's worth having.

571
00:36:49,539 --> 00:36:55,421
more deuterium that is in, so the point that I made earlier was that,

572
00:36:55,421 --> 00:37:01,316
Glyphosate got into our food chain early 90s and as the glyphosate increases, the vitamin
D level goes down.

573
00:37:01,316 --> 00:37:11,355
Glyphosate destroys the enzymes, the cytochrome P27 enzyme.

574
00:37:11,355 --> 00:37:12,986
These enzymes are destroyed by glyphosate.

575
00:37:12,986 --> 00:37:21,414
So you may have a child who's been getting vitamin D supplemented and you may have a child
who's outside, but their ability to activate, to hydroxylate vitamin D from the vitamin

576
00:37:21,414 --> 00:37:23,047
itself into the active form.

577
00:37:23,047 --> 00:37:24,178
it's much more difficult.

578
00:37:24,178 --> 00:37:27,211
So they're gonna show a lower 25 OHD level.

579
00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:30,715
that's someone says, I've been taking vitamin D, but my level's not going up.

580
00:37:30,715 --> 00:37:33,217
Look at your diet, how much glyphosate are you eating?

581
00:37:33,217 --> 00:37:34,447
So that's a component.

582
00:37:34,447 --> 00:37:41,166
yeah, and we measure glyphosate in our clients all of them we measure glyphosate levels
But we get a feel for that now because we know it's that important.

583
00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:41,557
Yeah.

584
00:37:41,557 --> 00:37:42,582
No, that's interesting

585
00:37:42,582 --> 00:37:44,403
and so when I did a podcast with Dr.

586
00:37:44,403 --> 00:37:58,171
Stephanie Seneff and her major take to the table here is that it's the combination of
deuterium and glyphosate together that destroys our mitochondria and metabolic disease has

587
00:37:58,171 --> 00:38:03,186
been rising in lockstep with glyphosate coming into our food chain.

588
00:38:03,186 --> 00:38:11,111
And that's because glyphosate disrupts the enzymes of the electron transport chain and it
allows deuterium

589
00:38:11,111 --> 00:38:13,452
to get into the mitochondria.

590
00:38:13,452 --> 00:38:19,064
All of these different enzymes, they're specifically designed to be looking for a hydrogen
rather than a deuterium.

591
00:38:19,064 --> 00:38:21,795
And I encourage anyone to watch that podcast.

592
00:38:21,915 --> 00:38:29,118
And this combination of deuterium and glyphosate, I called them the tag team of terror
because they become very dangerous together.

593
00:38:29,118 --> 00:38:36,922
Glyphosate changes the way that these enzymes are folding, making the normal shape
unreliable.

594
00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:40,689
And then you can't produce energy and too much deuterium is getting into

595
00:38:40,689 --> 00:38:46,474
the mitochondria and you know, back to your podcast, it destroys how the nanomotors
rotate.

596
00:38:46,474 --> 00:38:52,028
And you know, and that's my record label, that's the cross section of ATP synthase right
there.

597
00:38:52,028 --> 00:38:59,875
And that's, know, the key to multicellular life is the mitochondria and are these rotors,
these nanomotors that Mother Nature designed.

598
00:38:59,875 --> 00:39:09,403
And so we're poisoning the system by having this glyphosate in there that's destroying our
ability to differentiate between a hydrogen and a deuterium.

599
00:39:09,403 --> 00:39:10,323
And so

600
00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:11,467
difficult.

601
00:39:11,467 --> 00:39:12,968
It's, let me just interrupt for a second.

602
00:39:12,968 --> 00:39:15,390
It's difficult to get glyphosate out.

603
00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:19,153
Even if you're eating organic foods, it's difficult to get it out completely.

604
00:39:19,153 --> 00:39:19,813
Right.

605
00:39:19,813 --> 00:39:28,219
We, test everybody here for glyphosate and some people are elevated and some, but nobody's
like low, right.

606
00:39:28,219 --> 00:39:30,941
Because it's become so ubiquitous in the environment.

607
00:39:30,941 --> 00:39:36,025
Even if you're, even if you buy an organic food, the guy three crops over blows through
the wind.

608
00:39:36,025 --> 00:39:36,265
Right.

609
00:39:36,265 --> 00:39:37,865
So it's.

610
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:42,850
Yeah, it's really, it's really kind of a systemic problem at this point in time.

611
00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:45,950
And deuterium, that's also systemic.

612
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:46,650
It's difficult.

613
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:48,490
You can drink deuterium depleted water.

614
00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:52,230
I don't know if that's what you do, but it's very expensive.

615
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:53,924
so I don't know what

616
00:39:53,924 --> 00:39:56,629
The food you eat is much more important than the water that you drink.

617
00:39:56,629 --> 00:40:06,126
think that deuterium-depleted water is a great adjunct, and especially if you have
unlimited funds and you have terminal cancer, I'd be swallowing a ton of it.

618
00:40:06,126 --> 00:40:09,826
Just so the audience understands, let's talk about deuterium.

619
00:40:10,526 --> 00:40:16,386
You know, it's a hydrogen with an extra proton and it's heavy water, if you will.

620
00:40:16,846 --> 00:40:25,726
And there are areas in the world, certain springs and things like that, that have very low
deuterium concentrations, right?

621
00:40:25,726 --> 00:40:31,026
I think they're down around 20 parts per million, maybe as opposed to normal, which is
140.

622
00:40:31,026 --> 00:40:32,991
I may have that wrong, but something like that.

623
00:40:32,991 --> 00:40:36,754
So the lowest deuterium water you'll find naturally is about 90 parts per million.

624
00:40:36,754 --> 00:40:40,397
And you're going to find that in glacial waters at very high elevations.

625
00:40:40,458 --> 00:40:42,990
It's past the Himalayas.

626
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:48,565
So all the heavier, so there's three forms of water, H2O, HDO, and D2O.

627
00:40:48,565 --> 00:40:50,026
D2O is heavy water.

628
00:40:50,026 --> 00:40:52,989
But that semi-heavy water, that'll drop sooner.

629
00:40:52,989 --> 00:40:57,652
the air that gets farthest up and highest up is the lightest.

630
00:40:57,652 --> 00:41:00,787
And when that falls down, that's going to be the most depleted in deuterium.

631
00:41:00,787 --> 00:41:03,713
So I became sort of a semi-expert in all these things.

632
00:41:03,713 --> 00:41:05,305
And it wasn't just understanding the science.

633
00:41:05,305 --> 00:41:06,237
I understand the science.

634
00:41:06,237 --> 00:41:09,312
I've got a scientific background, but it's being able to explain this.

635
00:41:09,312 --> 00:41:10,886
Why is this important?

636
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:11,613
And I had...

637
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:16,550
let me ask you, what do you do to keep glyphosate out of your life and deuterium out of
your...

638
00:41:16,755 --> 00:41:18,876
So that's a great question.

639
00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:21,856
So first of all, most importantly, intermittent fasting.

640
00:41:22,137 --> 00:41:24,226
I make all my meals.

641
00:41:24,226 --> 00:41:32,878
I eat one meal a day and that meal is extremely grass-fed, wild-caught, extremely all
whole foods.

642
00:41:32,878 --> 00:41:38,521
So I try not to put any sauces or anything that is gonna potentially have glyphosate in
it.

643
00:41:38,521 --> 00:41:42,482
And you could have this beautiful meal and then you have some soy sauce and it could be
loaded in glyphosate.

644
00:41:42,482 --> 00:41:46,223
So I'm very careful about how I eat.

645
00:41:46,737 --> 00:41:48,204
And I do buy organic.

646
00:41:48,204 --> 00:41:49,085
Yeah.

647
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:49,870
Sure.

648
00:41:49,870 --> 00:42:01,190
because there was a nice study done on about 20,000 people between 99 and 2014 that looked
at eating habits and all-cause mortality and cardiovascular disease mortality.

649
00:42:01,190 --> 00:42:08,250
And they found that people that ate one meal a day had an 80 % increase in cardiovascular
mortality and all-cause mortality.

650
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:11,990
And they found that people that ate three times a day actually had the lowest mortality.

651
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:14,710
People that skipped breakfast had a higher mortality.

652
00:42:15,208 --> 00:42:20,124
We've become a little bit skeptical of this idea of one meal a day as being actually
healthy.

653
00:42:20,124 --> 00:42:24,489
And the reason is that, it's not that intermittent fasting isn't good.

654
00:42:24,489 --> 00:42:26,611
It's that eating is actually stressful.

655
00:42:26,611 --> 00:42:34,270
It's stressful on the body to, particularly if you're going to take all your calories in
one sitting, it represents a big sort of metabolic load on, on the body.

656
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:36,605
So talk to me a little bit about that.

657
00:42:36,605 --> 00:42:43,680
So I do have, I do a yogurt in midday with some timeline.

658
00:42:44,101 --> 00:42:50,505
I do coffee with butter and sometimes maple, organic maple syrup or organic honey.

659
00:42:50,505 --> 00:42:52,997
So I want to spike my cortisol in the mornings.

660
00:42:52,997 --> 00:42:55,068
That's what my morning coffee is.

661
00:42:55,149 --> 00:42:56,830
I don't want to eat poor quality food.

662
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:58,271
I don't want to eat during my day.

663
00:42:58,271 --> 00:43:02,734
And I prefer to eat, you know, my main meal.

664
00:43:02,734 --> 00:43:03,859
want to have the...

665
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:07,805
I wanna cook it, I wanna smell it, wanna taste it, I wanna enjoy eating it.

666
00:43:08,146 --> 00:43:11,031
And this is what I'm doing at this point in time for my health.

667
00:43:11,031 --> 00:43:14,996
I'm also doing a lot of mimicking fasting.

668
00:43:15,098 --> 00:43:16,051
So, you

669
00:43:16,051 --> 00:43:17,461
yeah, fast mimicking diet.

670
00:43:17,461 --> 00:43:17,842
Yeah.

671
00:43:17,842 --> 00:43:20,583
So I think, I think all, I think all that's good.

672
00:43:20,583 --> 00:43:22,914
I the five day fast mimicking diets are good.

673
00:43:22,914 --> 00:43:35,911
think Mimeo is good also as a, as a dieting mimetic, if you will, which is a supplement
that was created, really to look at what are the molecules that the body excretes, when

674
00:43:35,911 --> 00:43:36,802
we're fasting.

675
00:43:36,802 --> 00:43:40,904
And they basically took four of those that give a lot of the fasting benefits and put them
into a capsule.

676
00:43:40,904 --> 00:43:41,124
Right.

677
00:43:41,124 --> 00:43:44,396
So, so I think that's very interesting.

678
00:43:44,396 --> 00:43:50,971
I will say that in the study I was referencing the people that ate their meal at dinner
had the highest mortality.

679
00:43:51,032 --> 00:43:52,755
So just FYI.

680
00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,998
I try and get my meal at 4pm is the time I technically want to eat.

681
00:43:56,998 --> 00:43:59,461
let me just give you a little advice for a second.

682
00:43:59,461 --> 00:44:09,869
If you're gonna have that meal, I'd space it out over a couple hours rather than sit down
and eat the whole thing at once, simply to kind of space out the metabolic load, if you

683
00:44:09,869 --> 00:44:10,420
will, right?

684
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:14,133
So anyway, that's me trying to look out for you a little bit, right?

685
00:44:14,133 --> 00:44:16,345
no, I appreciate that.

686
00:44:16,345 --> 00:44:19,568
Cause I would love to come in and do your program at some point in time.

687
00:44:19,568 --> 00:44:21,269
I think that'd be fascinating.

688
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:26,215
But you know, when you, when you say that, so what are those people eating for their one
meal?

689
00:44:26,215 --> 00:44:27,836
What is their vitamin D status?

690
00:44:27,836 --> 00:44:29,157
What is their light exposure?

691
00:44:29,157 --> 00:44:31,159
There's just so many factors.

692
00:44:31,223 --> 00:44:32,555
this was general population.

693
00:44:32,555 --> 00:44:35,008
These were not health and optimization individuals.

694
00:44:35,008 --> 00:44:38,564
But, but, but, but it was 20,000 people.

695
00:44:38,564 --> 00:44:40,375
So it's not trivial.

696
00:44:40,375 --> 00:44:45,275
Well, and those 20,000 people were probably people who never had a vitamin D test in their
life or eating processed foods.

697
00:44:45,275 --> 00:44:48,855
However, I like the, I like your advice, but I like to think of things.

698
00:44:48,855 --> 00:44:53,655
So my paradigm is called MHC stands for modern hunter gatherer.

699
00:44:53,655 --> 00:44:56,375
And I like to think of things from an evolutionary perspective.

700
00:44:56,375 --> 00:45:00,215
And I'm thinking about how the majority of our evolutionary history was feast or famine.

701
00:45:00,215 --> 00:45:03,215
And I believe that's how our biology got put together.

702
00:45:03,215 --> 00:45:05,315
I feel best when I follow that.

703
00:45:05,315 --> 00:45:07,935
And I, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not overloading myself.

704
00:45:07,935 --> 00:45:08,610
I'm, know, I'm trying.

705
00:45:08,610 --> 00:45:14,285
me interject that too, because some of us are still hunter-gatherers and some of us are
not genetically.

706
00:45:14,285 --> 00:45:18,858
Some of us have evolved away from being hunter-gatherers and we test for that also.

707
00:45:18,859 --> 00:45:23,222
So it comes down to basically how many copies of the amylase gene you have.

708
00:45:23,222 --> 00:45:27,526
So the hunter-gatherers have a low number copy of amylase genes, right?

709
00:45:27,526 --> 00:45:35,873
Which amylase is the enzyme in your mouth that's secreted in your saliva, also in your
stomach, that, that helps you break down carbohydrate.

710
00:45:35,873 --> 00:45:37,902
And evolutionarily.

711
00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:39,722
We didn't have many copies of that.

712
00:45:39,722 --> 00:45:41,522
And so we were in the hunter gatherer mode.

713
00:45:41,522 --> 00:45:43,762
Carbs were kind of a rarity, if you will.

714
00:45:43,882 --> 00:45:49,582
But as things evolved, certain people have adapted, although it's only been eight, 10, 12,
I don't know.

715
00:45:49,582 --> 00:45:55,622
You look at different numbers from when agriculture started 16, 18,000 years, somewhere in
under 20,000 years, right?

716
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:59,742
That we've been exposed to agricultural foods and people have adapted.

717
00:45:59,742 --> 00:46:03,582
And there are now people that have up to 20 copies of the amylase gene, right?

718
00:46:03,582 --> 00:46:04,582
On the planet.

719
00:46:04,582 --> 00:46:06,982
And the highest we've measured here.

720
00:46:07,215 --> 00:46:08,676
is about 12, right?

721
00:46:08,676 --> 00:46:10,649
But we have many people that are two, three, four.

722
00:46:10,649 --> 00:46:11,820
Those are the hunter-gatherers.

723
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:18,408
But people that are eight, 10, 12, they've actually migrated away from a hunter-gatherer
genetic makeup.

724
00:46:18,408 --> 00:46:24,695
So the concept that hunter-gatherer is like what everybody on the planet needs is not
necessarily the right answer.

725
00:46:25,341 --> 00:46:26,511
Fair enough, fair enough.

726
00:46:26,511 --> 00:46:30,634
I didn't expect to come on this podcast and get schooled by you, but I enjoy it.

727
00:46:30,634 --> 00:46:31,314
I enjoy it.

728
00:46:31,314 --> 00:46:34,555
So I'm always trying to learn, okay?

729
00:46:35,036 --> 00:46:35,996
Yeah.

730
00:46:39,558 --> 00:46:41,389
So, yeah.

731
00:46:42,274 --> 00:46:49,826
Yeah, so anyway, I think the bottom line here for the audience to take away here is it's
really important to get tested, right?

732
00:46:49,826 --> 00:46:52,227
It's really important to get, you should know your glyphosate levels.

733
00:46:52,227 --> 00:46:54,017
You should know what your vitamin D levels are.

734
00:46:54,017 --> 00:46:57,048
You should know what your vitamin K2 levels are, your magnesium levels, right?

735
00:46:57,048 --> 00:47:00,039
To your point, those are all very important things.

736
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:07,141
And, you know, we have many ways to measure mitochondrial function here also, so we can
see actually who's in trouble and who's not.

737
00:47:07,321 --> 00:47:10,932
So the point is, if you really want to optimize, I think,

738
00:47:10,998 --> 00:47:20,367
it's very important to, you know, to really test and kind of deconstruct the situation so
you know where you stand and then layer in the things.

739
00:47:20,367 --> 00:47:28,284
And I think some of the recommendations that you're making are certainly, you know,
incredibly helpful and actually linking some things together that I was unaware of, right?

740
00:47:28,284 --> 00:47:32,598
Like the direct relationship to Crohn's or even Bruxism for that matter.

741
00:47:32,598 --> 00:47:36,872
And certainly the way your take on sleep apnea is very, very helpful also.

742
00:47:36,872 --> 00:47:37,622
So.

743
00:47:38,414 --> 00:47:39,687
Kudos to you on all of that.

744
00:47:39,687 --> 00:47:41,581
I think that's really interesting.

745
00:47:41,581 --> 00:47:42,742
Yeah, cool.

746
00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:44,071
Great.

747
00:47:44,692 --> 00:47:46,174
I appreciate the opportunity.

748
00:47:46,174 --> 00:47:57,013
Again, my main concern is to share this information with the parents of young children who
are suffering and they're unaware.

749
00:47:57,013 --> 00:48:07,071
I had some parents who were putting a CPAP on their eight-year-old and there's lots of
really weird stuff going on out there and I really wanna make that change.

750
00:48:07,312 --> 00:48:10,567
I don't write about everything, but I really want this information.

751
00:48:10,567 --> 00:48:19,453
I really wanna modernize Westin A Price's information and make sure that it gets the
attention that it really deserves because I think that this is the majority of illness

752
00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:21,814
that I'm seeing is related to this syndrome.

753
00:48:21,947 --> 00:48:23,431
you know.

754
00:48:23,746 --> 00:48:26,786
think think Price's work was was really seminal.

755
00:48:26,786 --> 00:48:33,146
think one of the things one of the big switches that got flipped in the epigenetic area,
right?

756
00:48:33,146 --> 00:48:37,146
The environment the kids were brought up in was how much sugar they had access to.

757
00:48:37,146 --> 00:48:41,326
I think it was when they got access to sugar that everything kind of went went downhill.

758
00:48:42,566 --> 00:48:45,486
So, yeah, but it's it's fascinating work that you're doing.

759
00:48:45,486 --> 00:48:47,666
I applaud it and we're happy to support it.

760
00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:50,854
So how do people find out more about about where you're

761
00:48:50,945 --> 00:48:52,179
what you're trying to do.

762
00:48:52,179 --> 00:49:00,874
Sure, my website is called modernhuntergatherers.com and my Instagram is
modernhuntergatherers.

763
00:49:00,874 --> 00:49:02,225
I'm pretty easy to find.

764
00:49:02,225 --> 00:49:06,987
You can also look up vitamin D dentist and I'm in Southern California, I'm in Los Angeles.

765
00:49:07,007 --> 00:49:10,889
So definitely would love to share my information with anyone.

766
00:49:11,379 --> 00:49:17,223
There's a really an epidemic of poor sleep with kids and parents are dosing their kids
melatonin.

767
00:49:17,223 --> 00:49:20,935
I don't know what the long-term results of giving your kid a ton of melatonin is.

768
00:49:20,935 --> 00:49:29,550
But if you're one of those people driving your kid around in the car, in the car seat,
trying to get your child to sleep, please keep in mind that it's vitamin D that's gonna

769
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:30,630
make a massive difference.

770
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:37,964
And even if drops, I would be looking at a vitamin D3, vitamin K2 drop for your infant and
a chewable for your child.

771
00:49:37,964 --> 00:49:46,549
I have a company I've been working with to do an easy to supplement melt, a D3K2 magnesium
melt for kids.

772
00:49:46,689 --> 00:49:48,410
Sugar-free, glyphosate-free.

773
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:50,521
And that's the product that I really want.

774
00:49:50,521 --> 00:50:02,822
every dentist and every pediatrician to understand this one thing can profoundly change
the way your child's airway develops and it's going to go on in later life to really be an

775
00:50:02,822 --> 00:50:03,873
issue for them.

776
00:50:03,916 --> 00:50:04,668
I love that.

777
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:05,199
love that.

778
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:05,580
Yeah.

779
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:07,795
Well, thanks for sharing your wisdom with Joel.

780
00:50:07,795 --> 00:50:10,340
It's really been a pleasure chatting with you.

781
00:50:11,585 --> 00:50:12,606
My pleasure.