Yinz Have Lost the Plot

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Lantern clicker thunder roll and crystal on patrol.
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Back road with the moon hangs low.
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That squad tracks where the rivers flow.
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Live in the hood where it's all good, right here in Johnstown.
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It's the Gilded Trash Podcast.
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Man, our last episode was called We Lied Tiens, and I lied during the episode.
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Not only did I lie that we weren't gonna have an episode, but I told you that our anniversary was like August 17th or something.
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The very first episode of Guild of Trash Podcast released on August 8th, 2024, and the title was Caution.
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Yins have entered Ohio Grassman Country.
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No, that was a good the Ohio Grassman.
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What a fun.
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Everywhere's got a big foot.
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I found out this week that Australia's got a big foot.
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They call it something.
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The Aborigine people have called it something for thousands of years.
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Everywhere China's got, you know, of course, the Yeti and all that stuff.
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Everywhere's got a big foot.
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Ohio's got the grass man.
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The grass man of the grassland.
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We've got the squonk over here, which is not a bigfoot.
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No, but we have regular Bigfoot too.
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Oh yeah, that's right.
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We're in the Chestnut Ridge, and we talked about that already.
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Alright, we got Bigfoot here in PA, buddy.
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So this episode, when I was putting together the theme, I didn't mean to, but uh I have to tell you, it's about mental health.
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That's exactly what it's about.
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And I'm sure we've covered mental health in many ways.
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We have covered mental health in many ways.
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And I see what you're getting at.
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It's not necessarily about mental health, but it's the string that ties it all together.
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Yeah, it is.
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So, first of all, while we were away, something crazy happened in the mental health space.
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Crazy, crazy, crazy.
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What happened?
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Perez Hilton.
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Oh, yeah.
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He went off.
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You were watching it like some kind of psychopath.
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Yeah, but so for I don't know.
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If you don't, don't worry about it.
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He's like the original influencer, kind of.
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He's he's he he was a sele he's he's like the original like celebrity troll.
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Yeah, like he he took paparazzi to the next level.
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Right.
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He was like TMZ, but like if done by the crew of jackass or something.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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It was like just very lowbrow fucking cheap shots, very yeah, just very just clickbait stuff.
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Yeah, very clickbait.
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That's yeah, he's the OG clickbait.
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That's exactly right.
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I mean, I don't know because I don't know internet history, but as far back as I can remember, he's the OG clickbait.
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But yeah, for those of you that don't know, he had like a mental health breakdown.
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He was like stabbing and cutting himself on TikTok.
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Right.
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And uh I just happened to be on TikTok during that time frame, and someone in my group chat was like, Hey, are you guys watching this?
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And I was like, watch him what?
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Boom, clicked it.
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And there I was fake, staring at his bush.
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No, I'm joking.
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I mean, I'm not joking.
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He was naked as a jaybird, cutting himself, and like it doesn't like so many people are like, I'm traumatized, I'm triggered, and I'm not traumatized, I just don't want to look at it.
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Right, like I get that, but like I was I'm a studier of human.
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I'm a studier of human emotion, like I'm a collector of data, and um a lot of it is how I watch, I study people, how they do things, how they and there wasn't like once I realized that it was probably real, because I still wasn't even sure after they shut it down.
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Well, because it was just weird, like it all went down.
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Yeah, it was very weird how it all went down, and like people are like, Oh, TikTok shouldn't have left it up as long as they did, and blah blah blah.
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Like uh regardless of whether they left it up or not, TikTok is inconsistent.
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That's this moral of the story.
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They're inconsistent.
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It's like I mean, if you do a throw-up emoji sometimes as a comment, it'll get banned.
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I don't even know what I said that.
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I mean, how many of this is just done by like AI?
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Right.
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So I mean it's not it's not within the realm of possibility.
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I mean, outside of the realm of possibilities, it just Right.
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But something like that.
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Do you know how algorithms work?
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They have weak spots, so they focused hyper focused like on something like that.
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Or whatever.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, the thing of it is though, like I think they know it actually made its way to a human moderator, and the human moderator was like Well, yeah.
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I mean, it was only up for what?
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How many only 3,000 people saw it?
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Yeah, it was like 36 minutes.
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It was that long.
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Yeah.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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Well, it probably took a minute to catch on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I mean, he's getting the help he needs.
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So, I mean, and it's controversial because people are like, why should we care?
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Some people some people are like, why should we care?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, so, anyways, that happened while we were out, and then this other thing that's going viral that I don't know if it's mental health or what it is, but it there it's called Peter Pan Girl.
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I mean, that's mental health.
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I don't know though, because I don't know if she's special needs.
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Like, there's there one way or the other, it's not been right, to my knowledge.
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But since she's been 16, she's been going to Disneyland out in Anaheim, California.
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And so obviously it's been different Peter Pans.
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It could be a different Peter Pan the same day, depending on how long she's there, right?
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She's like obsessed with them.
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Right.
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And she gives them gifts.
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Like what?
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Stuffed animals.
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Oh, I was gonna say I would take some like gift cards or something like that.
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Food, maybe.
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Yeah, is she a good cook?
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She bring in some no, she stops over at the Disneyland World of China.
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Get some general Donald Duck Chicken.
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Oh my god.
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Orange Donald.
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Yeah.
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Peking Donald.
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Right.
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But Mickey on a stick.
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There's like so what's and and I'm not using spectrum in autism, so don't like I don't want anybody to think that I'm being an asshole right here.
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I'm totally not, right?
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But you've got Disney adults.
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So this girl started when she's 16.
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She's 26 now.
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So that's 10 years of harassing Peter Pan.
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Harassing Peter Pan.
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And it went viral because the one seemed to like pull back whenever she was approaching him.
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Like she had crossed like his personal space boundaries.
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I mean, imagine if you're Peter Pan, guys, at Disney World, Disneyland.
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And you rotate between you're like, when you get stuck with the Peter Pan shift, and you're like, oh God, here comes this bitch.
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Tony.
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That's her name, Tony.
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Oh my god.
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They're like, get you know what I mean?
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That's gotta be especially on a day when you don't feel like dealing with it.
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You're like, get the fuck away from me.
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And like it would be one thing if she so I've shown you like lives where people are dressed up as Disney characters on a TikTok live.
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It'd be one thing if she was like she dresses up, first of all.
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What does she dress up as?
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I mean, different characters and stuff, or like she'll just she wears like she should just dress up as like his shadow.
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Or take her bell and just follow him around.
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Oh, I'm sure she she probably has.
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I didn't do that much research into it.
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But the costumes she wears are really cute, but they're also for a 26-year-old, they're very childlike, they're immature, and there are she's not the only one.
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Stop it.
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I mean, the one does kind of she's trying to get with Peter Pan.
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She's trying to get some Peter from Pan.
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But people are like asking, like, does she even know that it's like a different guy?
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She that's Peter to her.
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Right.
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Peter Pan.
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Right.
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Pan the man.
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Pan with Peter.
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Oh.
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But there's like Disney adults, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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And then since Harry Potter came along, there's like the Harry Potter adults, there's the Marvel adults.
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And not all of them are on the spectrum.
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Right, but a lot of those people have been, like, there's always been fandom of things.
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Sure.
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And people, like, those are the things that people have like always kind of taken it a step further.
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But but like, no, I get it.
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I mean, and some of them are completely normal.
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But then there's the ones that like are a little Right.
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That like blend the worlds.
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Like, kinda, I don't know if they know how to do it.
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I mean, I think that's that's what happens with anything.
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It's just like these people in you see these weird people.
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Well, like, even people that are obsessed with like sports figures and stuff.
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Right.
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There's like, I think there's an account.
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I'm trying to remember who she says she's married to, but there's a girl on socials that she swears she's married to like a sports star or whatever.
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I mean, I'd appreciate if you didn't talk about my relationship with Ben Rothelsberg.
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But still.
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Uh-huh.
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So, like, uh I'm not so that's why I was like, is it mental how what I mean?
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Is it just so like you know how there's different levels of intelligence, right?
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Is that she's just lacking in emotional intelligence.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think that's but I think it all stems to a greater issue that the people's mental well-being.
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People, I don't even know what I'm trying to say, but it's like, like you said, there's so many different levels and combinations and nuances that there's no way to really pin it down to one exact thing.
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And it's just like some of them are crazy, some of them aren't.
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Right.
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Like, but they all fall into like different categories.
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Even I'm just saying, like, just take Disney adults.
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There's a lot of different kinds.
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Like, some of them are probably nuts.
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All of them are annoying.
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But you know what I'm saying?
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Like, it's like right.
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I mean, we like like I love ghosts and Bigfoot, but I don't like obsess about it or whatever.
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Like, right.
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No, I mean, I get that, but like I think most people don't.
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Right.
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Most people don't obsess, but most people have everybody has interests and stuff that they collect and this and that, but like there's always been a certain group of people that like to sort of like play things out, like in a fantasy world.
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That's why like Dungeons and Dragons is popular, Renaissance Fair, shit like that.
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Yeah, like I was kind of into that.
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So when the internet first came about, that was like one of the first kind of chat group of people that I was in with was like the SCA Society for Creative.
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Yeah.
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So but to that point, like I was like I couldn't because some of those people like took the character too much.
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They took their character too far.
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Listen, it's not fuck the fire department, it's fuck the police.
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That's hilarious, by the way.
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But no.
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No, some people it's just it becomes too much.
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It's like you just can't it's like on the I Love You Man when he goes to the thing.
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It's just like that the king guy takes it too far, Kim Jong.
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Oh, that's not I Love You Man, that's a role models.
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Oh, role models, yeah.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, Paul Rudd.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's all I know.
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Paul Rudd.
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Yeah, of course.
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But you know the Paul Rudd movie.
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Yeah.
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I love Paul Rudd.
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He's not a good thing.
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No, but it's the same, like he's like the the like the guy, the king guy, he just takes it too far.
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Right.
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They're their plan, but he's like making it this whole other thing.
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We're gonna break up the mental health crises crises with a couple listener things real quickly.
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It might only be Mike P, to be honest with you, because I was doing other things this week, and I did not go through all of our old comments on our clips, which I really wanted to do.
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But Mike has some really good commentary, and he brought up some good points from just the last episode.
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So, a couple things that I did want to go over that he did talk about was first one I want to talk about.
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We talked about the paranormal thing.
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We had that.
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You asked, what was the one paranormal thing we wish was true?
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And Mike brought up the all-time greatest one I wish was true, Blair Witch.
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I mean, are you kidding me?
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I thought first off, I thought it was true at first.
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At first, I know.
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The whole thing, because they, and that's what him and I were talking about.
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Like, I don't think there could ever be another Blair Witch.
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Right.
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Because it was a perfect storm of the internet marketing.
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Yeah.
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Because that wasn't even like a thing that movies did yet.
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That whole like fake backstory with this found footage was a totally new concept.
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Yeah.
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And it just to take it to do it on like a shoest would just be like, here we're gonna put these people out in the woods and make it scary.
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Right.
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It was like, and they sort of took this local legend and they like weaved in real things kind of mixed with like half-truths and just and then Hollywood, and then it became this whole phenomena.
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Yeah.
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Like, and I remember people were like, first off, there was people that walked out of the theater.
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I remember it was the first movie I ever seen where people left.
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Because they were scared.
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I guess the the cussing or the uh the way that the camera was shaken or something, they'd like to do it.
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Yeah, so I mean it turned some people off.
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So we s no, I saw it.
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Did I see it in a movie theater?
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Or did I see it in the drive-in?
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I feel like we saw it at the drive-in.
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I saw it in a movie theater.
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I was with Dan Linda.
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We were over at Lyersburg.
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But me and my friends then, of course, like we went out to like we wanted to believe that it was real, so like we like we were like, oh, it's based on truth.
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You know what I mean?
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Based on truth.
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Right.
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So we were out there running around, you know, Burkett'sville, which is a tiny little town.
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It's nothing.
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Right.
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Well, but it is a cool thing.
00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:57.199
Well, we were went to the pla the uh when you're crossing over the mountain from like Roarsville over the mountain, it's what?
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That's my voice.
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Do you need do you need my inhaler?
00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:06.240
No, I don't think.
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Do you want the throat smell?
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No, I think it was just something weird.
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Okay.
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But you go over, it's like Gapland State Park or something.
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There's like that archway there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there was like some c the civil war battle there.
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But we remember that's also we also did that like the hiss the spooky hill there's there.
00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:30.000
Yes, but they push your hill, the gravity hill type deal at the bottom of the thing.
00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:39.120
Yeah, it's uh but yeah, no, it's an interesting place, and it was a fun, it was it would have been fun if that was real.
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Yeah.
00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:48.240
But the part of that too, though, is that whole region, which ties into another thing that Mike brought up, the whole like South Mountain Magic.
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Yeah.
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Like that was a book, right?
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South Mountain Magic.
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Or like a mini-series or something.
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Yeah, there's a book or a mini-series about it.
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Oh, that's cool.
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And it's about that whole region and its history of like witchcraft and like well, and it ties into I think it's old German roots.
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Yeah.
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And which I mentioned it before because my family's a little further up the ridge, but not far, Fronts Creek area.
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So just above like Thurmont, and you know right.
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And like you know, like towards Emmonsburg, but regardless, anyway.
00:18:25.840 --> 00:18:38.160
And you know, you heard all of the like all those stories, and like um even my family like tied in with a lot of that, but like all those old German immigrants and stuff, that's where all that came from.
00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:51.040
And a lot of it was folklore, you know, like it usually is, but it was because they were a lot they had a lot of like that old medicinal stuff that they did.
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So a lot of it was just accusations, but I mean I'm sure there was something to some of it, but it's interesting because just that area has such a rich history of that tradition.
00:19:02.560 --> 00:20:09.609
So I mean, but like here's the thing though, is if we dug deep enough, doesn't all of America just saturate in maybe not.
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Maybe there are places where it's really Puritan.
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I think it's because it's like it just depends on who settled there back in the old days.
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Right.
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Right.
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Like it's who was the settlers, yeah.
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Here's the book.
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So South Mountain Magic Magic, Tales of Old Maryland.
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Wait, do we have that book?
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No, we don't.
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No, we don't.
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We need to get it.
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Who wrote it?
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A person named Madeline Vinton Algren.
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I don't know any of that.
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It's uh from 1882.
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And it tells local lores and legend of the Wizard of South Mountain, Michael Zidl.
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They called him the Wizard of South Mountain.
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Was an American occultist, serious man, a magician, author, and mountaineer.
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Born to a German father, American mother, da da da da.
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But the Zittle family of South Mountain.
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Well, like the other South Mountain, too, was said to have like the South Mountain where the orchards are and stuff, like the Pennsylvania South Mountain.
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Right.
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Because there's like two South Mountains that are in the same range.
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Right.
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I mean, it's basically like the same sort of mountain side.
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It's that like ridge of the Appalachian.
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Right.
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Like whatever you call that.
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And half of it is down in like Frederick County, and half of it is up in well, wait, is like Thurmont Frederick County?
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
00:21:51.769 --> 00:21:53.289
Yeah, that's all considered that.
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Yeah.
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And then the other part is up in like Adams County, Penn Pennsylvania, right?
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Right.
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And the reason I'm bringing that up is because one of the best psychics that ever existed.
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Now, I don't know if she is or not, but Miss Aggie, if you've ever been out in the Gettysburg area, you will know who Miss Aggie was.
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She read for me a couple times.
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We were cool because she used to come into the Gettysburg Moose and just like set up shop there.
00:22:23.450 --> 00:22:28.410
Well, yeah, she drank, but she would just set up shop and read for people inside the moose.
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And buy her beers.
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Yeah.
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And but she had her own shop, like out there.
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But anyway, so Miss Aggie read for me.
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And so when she read for me, Dakota was four, so I already have my tubes tied or whatever.
00:22:42.890 --> 00:22:46.730
And she was like, You have two sons and two daughters.
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And I was like, No, I don't.
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She's like, Yeah, you do.
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I was like, No, I don't.
00:22:51.210 --> 00:22:53.769
She's like, Well, you don't have them yet, but you're gonna have them.
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And so, like, I always thought that I would like marry somebody who had a son, because obviously my tubes were tight or whatever.
00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:05.849
So Aggie's dead now, but she was right.
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All these years later.
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All these years later, she was right.
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Well, which is just weird because like there, I'm very much a pattern person, and I needed that forth.
00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:22.730
Like, I need balance in a lot of my stuff, so that was kind of cool.
00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:28.250
But, anyways, so oh, we were talking about Mike.
00:23:28.490 --> 00:23:39.769
Yeah, we were talking about the South Mountain Magic type thing, and Mike was telling us about something like the area itself, he was talking about the house.
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That he lives in, and it's not like it's nobody ever died there or anything, but like the people have reported like seeing things or feeling things or whatever there, and like even tales of, and I don't know if he was talking about this property or a different property in the area, like tales of like almost like an entity, you know what I mean?
00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:08.890
And so that's other things that I've heard a lot of stories about about that mountain range is like entities, right?
00:24:09.609 --> 00:24:13.289
And because you know, of course, grandma talked about that, right?
00:24:13.690 --> 00:24:20.170
And I've heard other people talk about that sort of thing, seeing seeing things out in the woods, you know what I mean?
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Weird things.
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That's scary, like things that weren't there, you know, stuff like that.
00:24:26.730 --> 00:24:28.650
So oh yeah, very scary.
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Dad said that he came across a pack of Satan worshippers one time.
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Jesus.
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In the middle of the woods, like war in this field and stuff, in this circle in these robes and stuff.
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Oh my god.
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That's insane.
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I don't even know what I would do.
00:24:45.769 --> 00:24:54.009
Like, I've never we used to talk ghost stories and do exploring and stuff like that, but I don't think I've ever come across anything like super crazy.
00:24:54.329 --> 00:25:04.890
But there's certain spots in the woods there that and then talk about like people, like certain areas of the woods where it would fe you would feel like people were there with you or I hate that.
00:25:05.049 --> 00:25:05.769
I hate that.
00:25:06.089 --> 00:25:15.210
So what's crazy though is like when I was younger, I maybe I was just fearless because I was in my 20s, and we all are, right?
00:25:15.849 --> 00:25:30.089
But like when we were in the woods, like we partied in the woods all the time, and it's not like I knew the woods, it's not like I knew the area well, it's not like I like grew up in these hills.
00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:33.289
Like we partied in all kinds of places in the woods, right?
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I've been drunk off my ass and survived in the woods with no cell phone, not knowing where I was, and made it to home base more times than I can count.
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Like more times than I can count.
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It's insane.
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It's insane.
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And the reason I'm saying that is because I think there are some woods that just aren't scary though.
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Well, yeah, I'm not saying always.
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Which makes the other ones way more scary.
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Because do I think that I could do that in the Me show?
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Fuck no.
00:26:06.809 --> 00:26:15.129
I got lost in the Mishow walking around one time, and it was the scariest thing I've ever encountered in my entire life.
00:26:16.970 --> 00:26:20.410
Which is wild because there's so many people up there all the time.
00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:22.250
I would have found somebody eventually.
00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:23.289
Oh my god, yeah.
00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.289
You couldn't walk too far.
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But I did.
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Like, I made it.
00:26:27.529 --> 00:26:31.210
No, I mean if you would have walked, you'll eventually hit a road.
00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:36.089
There's no place where you can go like more than two miles or so and not hit a road.
00:26:36.329 --> 00:26:36.970
Right, right.
00:26:37.769 --> 00:26:39.930
But it was getting dark and I was scared.
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Right.
00:26:40.490 --> 00:26:42.650
And that was making me like not be able to think.
00:26:42.809 --> 00:26:54.089
Well, like that it was a test for me because I have to realize, like, when I get scared to stop and think first rather than just actioning, because I'm an actioner.
00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:54.569
Right.
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Right.
00:26:55.609 --> 00:27:01.049
So, but that was fucking scary because like I didn't have nothing with.
00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:08.009
Well, it was crazy because you weren't that far from us, and we had only seen you like five minutes before that.
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Right.
00:27:08.569 --> 00:27:10.809
And I made it far, and then I'm pretty sure I timed them.
00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:14.009
So it was very weird.
00:27:14.250 --> 00:27:18.329
Well, I walked through a time portal and Me and Chicken were looking for, you remember?
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Yeah, I was in a field.
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Like I was at the top of the mountain in a field.
00:27:22.089 --> 00:27:22.250
Well.
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A big clearing.
00:27:23.849 --> 00:27:26.089
Uh, I don't know what to tell you.
00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:28.250
Bigfoot took you there.
00:27:28.569 --> 00:27:28.890
No.
00:27:29.129 --> 00:27:33.289
No, they think Bigfoot has time jumping spatial abilities.
00:27:34.009 --> 00:27:35.369
But he scared me.
00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:36.490
I was just looking for it.
00:27:37.129 --> 00:27:38.490
Maybe there was one there and it, yeah.
00:27:38.809 --> 00:27:41.129
Maybe I picked a mushroom that portaled me.
00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:42.250
Maybe.
00:27:42.970 --> 00:27:43.369
Hmm.
00:27:43.529 --> 00:27:45.210
That's crazy to even think about.
00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:50.250
Because here's the thing about this is that's the dichotomy.
00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:54.329
Saying what I said about how many times I've been in the woods, fucking never been scared.
00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:56.650
Maybe being drunk was part of that.
00:27:56.730 --> 00:27:58.329
Like when you're drinking, you're not as well.
00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:02.730
Well, when you're with a group of people, too.
00:28:03.129 --> 00:28:06.009
Right, but I'm talking like me breaking from the group.
00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:07.129
There were several times.
00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:07.930
No, I get it.
00:28:08.089 --> 00:28:10.569
One time I ran from the cops the whole way through the woods and made it.
00:28:10.970 --> 00:28:14.650
Right, but I'm just saying, like, it's like you said, certain woods, though, it's different.
00:28:14.809 --> 00:28:16.650
It's not right.
00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:26.250
I guess maybe here in Johnstown, because there's none of the woods were dense enough that you wouldn't make it back to Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:28:26.329 --> 00:28:27.529
It depends on where you're at.
00:28:27.769 --> 00:28:28.089
Yeah.
00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:29.529
That's exactly what it depends.
00:28:29.690 --> 00:28:32.730
It's like woods are not inherently scary in and of themselves.
00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:33.369
Right.
00:28:33.609 --> 00:28:38.410
But when you're in the middle of nowhere, first off, isolation in the middle of nowhere is scary.
00:28:38.650 --> 00:28:39.289
Right.
00:28:39.690 --> 00:28:45.210
Look at it's the same phenomena people experience when they go out into the middle of the ocean.
00:28:46.890 --> 00:28:53.609
Really, see, I don't think I would be that way in the middle of the ocean because like I don't feel alone in the ocean.
00:28:53.849 --> 00:28:54.650
My you saw.
00:28:55.049 --> 00:28:58.009
Well, I know, but it's a known phenomena, is what I'm saying.
00:28:58.170 --> 00:29:02.089
It has a name in everything that people experience when they're out in the middle of the ocean.
00:29:02.250 --> 00:29:02.650
Right.
00:29:02.890 --> 00:29:08.089
And it's like this weird disconnect because you're so far away from everything.
00:29:08.730 --> 00:29:14.410
And I think it's the same sort of thing like that triggers in your mind in that situation.
00:29:14.650 --> 00:29:15.049
Right.
00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:18.650
That you like feel completely sort of helpless.
00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:19.210
Right.
00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:22.410
Because you're in the whatever.
00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:25.049
The unknown or the great unknown.
00:29:25.289 --> 00:29:26.650
The Bermuda Triangle.
00:29:28.009 --> 00:29:29.210
No, I used to love it.
00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:36.890
When we lived at Myrtle, I used to try to get as far away from the shore as possible and see if I could not see people to see if it would scare me and it wouldn't be a good idea.
00:29:37.289 --> 00:29:38.329
That's different too.
00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:40.329
I'm not talking about that kind of middle thing.
00:29:40.490 --> 00:29:46.890
I'm talking when you know you're 4,000 miles away from any shore.
00:29:47.049 --> 00:29:52.329
You when you can like, and it's just you in this great big sky in the middle of the night.
00:29:52.569 --> 00:29:53.769
Do you have a boat?
00:29:54.009 --> 00:29:56.809
No, but that's the people that experience this.
00:29:58.170 --> 00:29:59.450
It's a real thing.
00:29:59.690 --> 00:30:02.970
No, I'm asking, like, are you talking about people who are on boats expensive?
00:30:03.289 --> 00:30:03.609
Yeah.
00:30:03.849 --> 00:30:05.450
Oh, they're not just like floating.
00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:07.609
Oh, they're in boats.
00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:08.170
Okay.
00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:13.529
I don't know how many people have been floating that far out.
00:30:13.690 --> 00:30:20.410
That's like at a broken fucking wing of a plane, and they're like, you know what was weird though?
00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:23.690
When I was out there, I felt completely alone.
00:30:23.930 --> 00:30:27.609
It was very no, those people are just hanging on to survival.
00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:37.210
I'm talking people in boats that are like complete, just like maybe not alone, but at the alone at the moment, or whatever on a crew crew small crew or something, or whatever.
00:30:37.769 --> 00:30:39.769
Not like a big ship, but it's like a thing.
00:30:40.250 --> 00:30:40.650
Right.
00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:48.809
Yeah, like people like like stepbrothers' parents when they were gonna sail the world.
00:30:49.049 --> 00:30:51.129
Oh, speaking of which I just remembered a video.
00:30:51.529 --> 00:30:52.890
The Catalina wine mixer.
00:30:53.129 --> 00:30:55.369
No, remind me about Johnny Hopkins later.
00:30:55.609 --> 00:30:55.930
Okay.
00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:00.329
Because I'm the biggest asshole that ever lived.
00:31:01.450 --> 00:31:03.450
I'm just really good at what I do.
00:31:03.690 --> 00:31:04.490
That's all.
00:31:04.809 --> 00:31:06.970
Talking about trolling somebody.
00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:10.890
Oh, so Mike also talked about.
00:31:11.129 --> 00:31:11.690
Oh, wait.
00:31:11.769 --> 00:31:17.609
So just getting back, he talked about a phenomenon of feeling his foot touched in the middle of the night.
00:31:17.849 --> 00:31:25.049
That's the fucking scariest feeling ever in life.
00:31:25.289 --> 00:31:25.529
Right.
00:31:25.690 --> 00:31:31.529
That I am terrified of that so much that I now sleep with socks and two blankets over my feet.
00:31:31.690 --> 00:31:38.329
Like I well, now that I'm going through menopause, I guess I kick out a lot and I do let my feet hang out under the covers.
00:31:38.490 --> 00:31:46.089
But for most of my life, even if it's a hundred degrees in my room, my feet have to be covered because I'm scared to death that somebody's gonna touch them.
00:31:46.410 --> 00:31:46.650
Right.
00:31:46.730 --> 00:31:52.809
I mean, the only time I think people yeah, I just don't I don't want nobody touching me while I'm sleeping.
00:31:52.890 --> 00:31:55.049
That's just scary in and of itself.
00:31:55.369 --> 00:31:56.650
Let alone feet.
00:31:56.970 --> 00:31:57.769
Right, right.
00:31:58.009 --> 00:31:59.049
Don't touch my feet.
00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:01.769
Yeah, I don't want anybody touching my feet, period.
00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:08.329
Right, but I don't let alone while I'm sleeping, let alone touching me, period, while I'm sleeping.
00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:08.809
Yeah.
00:32:09.769 --> 00:32:09.930
No.
00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:10.569
Yeah.
00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:15.529
I don't like it if I accidentally it's like the cats or the blanket or something.
00:32:15.609 --> 00:32:16.730
That's a scary thing.
00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:17.210
Right.
00:32:17.369 --> 00:32:18.009
Or you.
00:32:18.329 --> 00:32:18.569
Right.
00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:19.930
I don't even like that.
00:32:20.250 --> 00:32:22.650
I touch a stray foot and I don't know what it is.
00:32:23.049 --> 00:32:23.289
I know.
00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:26.890
Every once in a while I'll be like I'm like, what the fuck is that?
00:32:28.809 --> 00:32:30.890
Now people are like, wait, what?
00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:33.849
So first of all, we have a king-sized bed.
00:32:34.730 --> 00:32:35.450
A lot of people do.
00:32:35.529 --> 00:32:37.529
I sleep on one side of the bed.
00:32:37.690 --> 00:32:42.569
He said he sleeps on the extreme one side, and I sleep on the extreme other.
00:32:43.289 --> 00:32:46.329
We're not cuddlers, and I like it that way.
00:32:47.129 --> 00:32:49.289
Well, no, it gives each person room to flip.
00:32:49.369 --> 00:32:50.329
We're both flippers.
00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:51.609
That's what the problem is.
00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:52.809
We're both flippers.
00:32:53.049 --> 00:32:55.049
You're a flipper, I'm a flopper.
00:32:57.210 --> 00:32:58.730
It is chaos.
00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:12.329
Anyway, so the one of the other things that Mike brought up was his dream investigation, which is a great conversation because all the shit you've been telling me this week.
00:33:13.289 --> 00:33:13.849
About what?
00:33:14.250 --> 00:33:16.250
So what's his dream investigation?
00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:17.450
Oh.
00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:24.650
You were sitting here talking about this.
00:33:24.730 --> 00:33:26.329
Shows you how stupid I am.
00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:30.089
You're like, I was like, dream investigation.
00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:35.690
I was like, like the movie Inception, where they're investigating inside of dreams.
00:33:38.890 --> 00:33:40.170
I was like, really?
00:33:40.329 --> 00:33:41.849
I didn't know that.
00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:43.930
I didn't read that.
00:33:44.250 --> 00:33:46.490
He's gonna be a dream investigator.
00:33:49.289 --> 00:33:51.849
It's like some sort of Stephen King novel.
00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:54.009
Dream investigator.
00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:57.769
No, dream investigation.
00:33:58.089 --> 00:33:58.730
Yes.
00:33:59.369 --> 00:34:03.289
And the what I said, what did I say?
00:34:03.450 --> 00:34:04.650
Like the Pentagon or something.
00:34:04.809 --> 00:34:06.329
If you could have unfettered access to it.
00:34:06.490 --> 00:34:08.329
Oh yeah, you said like side R or whatever.
00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:10.090
Or yeah, or yeah, exactly.
00:34:10.970 --> 00:34:11.849
Raven Rock.
00:34:12.410 --> 00:34:17.930
But regardless of any of that, the best place to investigate was Skinwalker Ranch.
00:34:18.809 --> 00:34:19.769
He brought that up.
00:34:19.930 --> 00:34:22.730
That's absolutely where I would want to go if I had Unfettered.
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:25.369
Because you know how much I love Skinwalker Ranch.
00:34:25.610 --> 00:34:28.090
I love the show tremendously.
00:34:28.410 --> 00:34:28.809
Dr.
00:34:28.890 --> 00:34:32.250
Travis Taylor, I just watched that whole podcast.
00:34:32.570 --> 00:34:36.650
I just watched that whole podcast and I like him even more now.
00:34:37.610 --> 00:34:40.650
No, I do want to listen to that though, because now you've got me intrigued.
00:34:40.890 --> 00:34:44.809
It's so fascinating because like people say whatever speaks my language.
00:34:44.890 --> 00:34:55.690
Like the kind of what you're telling me, the way that he articulates the science, the way that he understands it, is the way that my brain understands it, but I haven't studied science like him.
00:34:55.930 --> 00:35:09.690
Like I don't understand the the inner workings, but if I when it's like at the highest level, the way you're saying he says it, I'm like, yeah, that's how I think about things.
00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:17.369
Yeah, and I mean but yeah, I and I mean, and I love anything related to that whole idea of Skinwalker Ranch.
00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:19.369
Like the idea, like I don't know.
00:35:19.449 --> 00:35:23.609
I love the investigation of it because it's just full of all these sort of different phenomena.
00:35:23.769 --> 00:35:26.489
It create it there we go again with that word.
00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:27.129
I know.
00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:30.889
We've I've listened back to lots of the podcasts this past couple of weeks.
00:35:31.049 --> 00:35:33.129
Well, we talk a lot about different kinds of phenomena.
00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:33.849
We do.
00:35:33.929 --> 00:35:35.449
That's part of where we talk about it.
00:35:35.769 --> 00:35:39.210
And but it's Skinwalker Ranch, it's a combination of several different things.
00:35:39.289 --> 00:35:51.289
It's of course it's like UAPs, it's these weird like anomalies like in the environment, like of like I don't know what to call it.
00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:55.369
Like the it's like, you know, we talk like frequencies, yeah.
00:35:55.529 --> 00:35:56.409
Like the different, yeah.
00:35:56.649 --> 00:35:57.689
Yeah, like stuff like that.
00:35:57.769 --> 00:35:59.049
It's like very weird.
00:35:59.449 --> 00:36:05.769
But you guys, so wouldn't I like, and this is a question for Mike too, because I know he's gonna answer me.
00:36:06.489 --> 00:36:10.489
Are you guys not scared of the whole cancer fucking thing that happens out there?
00:36:10.729 --> 00:36:20.009
Like I'd be I'd be afraid that going out there and all the different frequencies would trip up some sickness that people have lived there forever.
00:36:20.249 --> 00:36:22.649
I know, but half of them look like they're dying.
00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:25.689
No, that's only because they're Native American.
00:36:26.009 --> 00:36:29.129
No, Native Americans look nice, they have nice skin.
00:36:29.209 --> 00:36:30.169
What are you talking about?
00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:35.289
They're depressed because the the team at Skinwalker Ranch stole their land.
00:36:35.529 --> 00:36:36.249
Oh, God.
00:36:36.649 --> 00:36:37.449
No, I'm teasing.
00:36:37.609 --> 00:36:39.769
I'm talking about the people on Skinwalker Ranch.
00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:40.889
They all look like they're dying.
00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:41.449
No, they're not.
00:36:41.529 --> 00:36:48.169
That one kid had brain cancer from the brain no, he didn't have brain cancer from the ranch.
00:36:48.409 --> 00:36:50.809
He had some kind of something.
00:36:51.049 --> 00:36:55.609
His skull started to separate away from his head or something.
00:36:55.769 --> 00:36:58.009
It was very totally normal.
00:36:58.729 --> 00:37:06.009
It was, but it wasn't that, and they have found radiation, but they scan for it, so they don't expose themselves.
00:37:06.329 --> 00:37:07.449
It's scary though.
00:37:07.609 --> 00:37:12.329
I just feel like they're like I would take a team of we'd have Geiger counters.
00:37:12.569 --> 00:37:13.529
Yeah, no, I get it.
00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:14.489
Measurements.
00:37:14.809 --> 00:37:17.449
I mean, I get that it would be awesome.
00:37:17.609 --> 00:37:30.729
I don't disagree, but there's parts of me, like there's parts of science that I don't want to fuck with because biologically I don't know what of our circuits can be tripped.
00:37:31.049 --> 00:37:31.369
Right.
00:37:31.529 --> 00:37:35.929
And also, but not just Skinwalker Ranch, but the entire Uinta Basin.
00:37:36.009 --> 00:37:43.929
Because you remember when Jack Osborne, they're like up at Fantasy Canyon, and they saw that thing, like they saw a skinwalker.
00:37:44.169 --> 00:37:45.849
It's the whole Uinta Basin.
00:37:46.009 --> 00:37:46.489
Yeah.
00:37:46.729 --> 00:37:48.489
Yeah, and they saw Skinwalker.
00:37:48.569 --> 00:37:49.609
What else on that other show?
00:37:49.929 --> 00:37:50.729
Bustamante.
00:37:51.129 --> 00:37:51.449
Yeah.
00:37:51.689 --> 00:37:52.009
Yeah.
00:37:52.249 --> 00:37:54.409
Remember it was walking that thing walking along the field.
00:37:54.729 --> 00:37:55.849
That was the most awesome one.
00:37:55.929 --> 00:37:57.849
That scared the fuck out of me.
00:37:58.569 --> 00:37:59.129
I don't think it's a good one.
00:37:59.289 --> 00:38:00.729
Wait, what was that show?
00:38:01.049 --> 00:38:05.209
Who was they were going out on behalf of yeah, but it was him and that girl.
00:38:05.289 --> 00:38:06.009
They were going out.
00:38:06.489 --> 00:38:08.089
Oh no, it wasn't Busamante.
00:38:08.889 --> 00:38:10.969
It was the uh Josh Gates.
00:38:11.289 --> 00:38:11.689
Yeah, it was.
00:38:12.009 --> 00:38:15.849
It was Expedition X or But it was his crew.
00:38:16.249 --> 00:38:16.649
The crew.
00:38:16.809 --> 00:38:19.369
It was the crew from Expedition X or whatever it's called.
00:38:19.609 --> 00:38:19.849
Yeah.
00:38:20.009 --> 00:38:21.209
That he sends the mountain.
00:38:21.689 --> 00:38:22.569
Because it was that girl.
00:38:22.649 --> 00:38:26.249
I like her, but fucking oh my god, that was the scariest.
00:38:26.809 --> 00:38:30.409
That was because it's hard to get me with like footage.
00:38:30.729 --> 00:38:30.969
Uh-huh.
00:38:31.049 --> 00:38:31.369
Oh, yeah.
00:38:31.689 --> 00:38:32.889
I'm putting air quotes.
00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:33.689
You guys can't see it.
00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:37.769
Especially with TV because they make it look more than what it is or whatever.
00:38:38.009 --> 00:38:38.409
Right.
00:38:38.729 --> 00:38:45.849
But that hands down, legit was craziest footage I've ever seen.
00:38:46.009 --> 00:38:49.209
And but I mean, but I do believe in skinwalkers.
00:38:49.529 --> 00:38:51.289
Oh, I believe in skinwalkers.
00:38:51.369 --> 00:38:52.329
It's scary stuff.
00:38:52.569 --> 00:38:53.529
Yeah, it is.
00:38:53.769 --> 00:39:02.329
I mean, but now we're gonna have to keep deep dive in this because I'm gonna go listen to his episode.
00:39:02.649 --> 00:39:04.969
Like Well, they don't really talk about that so much.
00:39:05.529 --> 00:39:06.409
No, I know.
00:39:06.489 --> 00:39:10.569
It but the stuff that they do talk about is stuff that I'm way more interested in.
00:39:11.129 --> 00:39:16.889
But like I've never really listened to anybody talk about it because the people who normally talk about it are boring as fuck.
00:39:17.129 --> 00:39:20.409
Well, let's pause here because we sound like a couple of lunatics.
00:39:20.649 --> 00:39:25.209
We're talking about Travis Taylor on the AJ Gentile podcast.
00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:32.569
It's called The Why Files is AJ's podcast, but he does a podcast called The Basement where he has guests.
00:39:32.729 --> 00:39:36.249
Travis Taylor from Skinwalker Ranch was on the most recent episode.
00:39:36.489 --> 00:39:36.729
Right.
00:39:37.369 --> 00:39:38.649
And I haven't listened to it.
00:39:38.809 --> 00:39:40.889
Scott's listened to it, maybe more than once.
00:39:41.049 --> 00:39:41.449
Yep.
00:39:41.849 --> 00:40:04.329
And he's articulating it to me, and I find it fascinating, but I want to hear it's a lot of stuff about crazy, like sort of weird science theories, and just a lot of really cool stuff to do with science and the universe and all of that.
00:40:04.569 --> 00:40:07.129
I say we okay, so here's the thing.
00:40:07.289 --> 00:40:09.129
I say we have book club.
00:40:09.369 --> 00:40:19.929
I listen to the podcast, Mike P listens to the podcast, and then he calls in and we reviewed it and talk about it and discuss different theories.
00:40:20.169 --> 00:40:23.209
Black holes in black holes, turtles all the way down.
00:40:23.689 --> 00:40:24.729
All the way down.
00:40:25.049 --> 00:40:29.129
Plus, you know, I love a good synchronicity.
00:40:29.289 --> 00:40:30.809
I say it every episode.
00:40:31.609 --> 00:40:42.329
One of the driving factors in me being successful when there was a time in my life where I thought I might not get there was the book The Secret.
00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:50.969
And there was a time in my life where I heavily adhered to it, and I've gotten away from it over the years, and I joke about whether or not I should get back to it.
00:40:51.529 --> 00:40:53.449
But he wrote a book, right?
00:40:53.689 --> 00:40:55.609
It's called The Science Behind the Secret.
00:40:55.849 --> 00:40:59.609
Yeah, see, now I'm gonna have to read, and I thought I wasn't gonna do that anymore.
00:40:59.769 --> 00:41:00.409
No, I know.
00:41:00.969 --> 00:41:01.529
Damn it.
00:41:01.609 --> 00:41:04.569
I'll get it on an audio book and let somebody Yeah, let him read it to you.
00:41:04.729 --> 00:41:06.569
Well, I don't know if it's out here, yeah.
00:41:07.369 --> 00:41:09.049
Science behind the secret, Chris.
00:41:09.529 --> 00:41:10.409
Here's what we got.
00:41:10.569 --> 00:41:11.129
Let me.
00:41:11.769 --> 00:41:12.889
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
00:41:13.449 --> 00:41:18.169
I was gonna say, we take the secret, and what we do is we fire a rocket right into it.
00:41:19.769 --> 00:41:20.809
And that's science.
00:41:21.049 --> 00:41:22.249
And that's science.
00:41:22.489 --> 00:41:27.769
That's what I love about him, is because that's how he comes across, but he's actually a genius.
00:41:28.089 --> 00:41:28.489
Right.
00:41:29.289 --> 00:41:32.329
But he's like, he's just sort of like a fun guy, too.
00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:33.689
So he says things like that.
00:41:34.249 --> 00:41:40.969
And he'll be but like I understand why they're doing, but they like also focus only on certain things on the show.
00:41:41.129 --> 00:41:43.529
So it's like, you know what I mean?
00:41:43.609 --> 00:41:45.209
They want to portray the action.
00:41:45.369 --> 00:41:49.369
So a lot of the times it's like him talking about shooting rockets and stuff.
00:41:49.849 --> 00:41:54.249
So it's just funny because it's like let's shoot a rocket at it.
00:41:54.569 --> 00:41:56.649
Because he sort of sounds like Ross Perough.
00:41:56.889 --> 00:41:59.049
He does, but like with a little bit more bass.
00:41:59.209 --> 00:41:59.369
Right.
00:41:59.529 --> 00:42:01.529
He's like, let's shoot a rocket at it.
00:42:02.649 --> 00:42:03.449
I love it.
00:42:03.689 --> 00:42:05.929
Takes measurements, science.
00:42:09.049 --> 00:42:10.169
Oh my god.
00:42:10.409 --> 00:42:14.569
But it's great though, because his personality makes me want to listen to it.
00:42:14.649 --> 00:42:15.929
Like if he's teaching a class.
00:42:16.249 --> 00:42:16.809
Oh, 100%.
00:42:17.289 --> 00:42:19.449
And that's the thing, is I'm not knocking him in any way.
00:42:19.609 --> 00:42:20.649
Like, that's I love the guy.
00:42:20.729 --> 00:42:21.769
I think he's awesome.
00:42:22.009 --> 00:42:26.649
But it's still funny that that's like the way that he looks on the show.
00:42:26.889 --> 00:42:27.289
Yeah.
00:42:27.609 --> 00:42:34.249
So we talked about Disney adults and obsessed adults.
00:42:34.409 --> 00:42:36.249
We talked about Perez Hilton.
00:42:36.809 --> 00:42:42.569
We've talked in past episodes about people being delusional about celebrities and stuff like that.
00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:46.329
We talked about delusional parasocial relationships.
00:42:49.129 --> 00:43:04.249
This segment is about the hottest topic this last week and a half, two weeks, two weeks or more, which is the Lindsay Clancy trial.
00:43:04.729 --> 00:43:09.289
Those of you that are not familiar, she was a woman that killed her kids.
00:43:09.929 --> 00:43:12.569
Three children, all under the age of five.
00:43:12.969 --> 00:43:18.569
And then allegedly tried to kill herself afterwards.
00:43:19.369 --> 00:43:22.649
And so there's a lot to unpack there.
00:43:22.729 --> 00:43:25.929
That's a very super high-level overview.
00:43:26.569 --> 00:43:30.489
Basically, the gist of it is she's pleading like insanity.
00:43:30.729 --> 00:43:31.209
Right.
00:43:31.529 --> 00:43:37.529
And they're sort of blaming it on the psychiatric drugs that she was prescribed.
00:43:37.769 --> 00:43:38.009
Right.
00:43:38.169 --> 00:43:50.009
And it and if you look at her history of psychiatric drugs over the course of the last year prior to her killing her kids, I mean it's a litany of different things.
00:43:50.169 --> 00:43:50.649
Right.
00:43:50.969 --> 00:44:03.929
And so the question becomes, and I mean, they're gonna ask a lot of questions, and we're not gonna deep dive this part, but like it it begs a question like because it they're like, was she overprescribed?
00:44:04.009 --> 00:44:05.369
Was her system overloaded?
00:44:05.449 --> 00:44:06.649
Did it sort of cause this?
00:44:06.969 --> 00:44:09.689
Yeah, so we're not clinicians, obviously.
00:44:10.089 --> 00:44:15.689
We so it's all speculation, but we can comment from personal experience.
00:44:16.009 --> 00:44:18.249
It's all speculation, even on their part.
00:44:18.489 --> 00:44:18.889
Right.
00:44:19.209 --> 00:44:25.529
Just because it's well, first of all, you need a medical expert to say whatever you want.
00:44:25.769 --> 00:44:26.969
That's exactly it.
00:44:27.209 --> 00:44:32.489
So, like they're gonna have ones that say one thing, and you're gonna have an ones that say another thing.
00:44:32.729 --> 00:44:36.649
And so you're gonna have to discern for yourself what you think the truth is.
00:44:36.729 --> 00:44:40.569
And there's a lot of other nuances there, like, that come into play.
00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:47.369
Like her like her husband, they also her mother-in-law was living there.
00:44:47.529 --> 00:44:50.889
I and I don't know if her father-in-law was living there as well.
00:44:51.209 --> 00:44:52.169
Oh, I didn't hear that.
00:44:52.409 --> 00:44:52.809
Oh, yeah.
00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:53.849
Well, that's what they said.
00:44:54.089 --> 00:45:06.569
Yeah, they were had a because they said about that she had a great relationship with her, and they were like, 'cause she was like there helping and stuff, and that like they went to the I don't know, they did stuff together.
00:45:06.809 --> 00:45:08.089
Regardless of any of that.
00:45:08.169 --> 00:45:09.849
I'm just saying, like, you'll have to go out and look.
00:45:09.929 --> 00:45:18.329
I don't you know you know the facts for Vader, but I'm just saying the there's a lot to it to unpack.
00:45:18.809 --> 00:45:29.929
And I listening to all the legal experts and stuff way in and back, I've gone back and forth myself, and here's the bottom line that I come to, and this is what I said at the beginning.
00:45:30.169 --> 00:45:31.689
She killed her kids.
00:45:31.929 --> 00:45:32.889
You know what I mean?
00:45:33.049 --> 00:45:35.689
She doesn't belong in society, period.
00:45:36.089 --> 00:45:36.329
Right.
00:45:36.489 --> 00:45:39.769
Whether she did it with premeditation.
00:45:40.169 --> 00:45:43.849
or whether she's snapped in either scenario.
00:45:44.649 --> 00:45:55.689
Well I'm just saying, even if they find her not legally responsible in the sense of she's not charged with murder, she still belongs in a psychiatric facility then for the rest of her life.
00:45:56.809 --> 00:46:01.209
That's I mean, so to me it's it's sort of I mean that's all they're really hashing out.
00:46:01.369 --> 00:46:17.049
I don't think that it they're gonna that it's any more than that because I know but what's wild is the internet because there are people that think that he physically did it and drugged her up.
00:46:17.289 --> 00:46:18.649
By he you mean the husband.
00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:24.969
Correct correct and I'm just calling this out there because I don't want sued for slander.
00:46:25.129 --> 00:46:29.369
I'm not one of the people I'm reporting on what other people are saying.
00:46:29.609 --> 00:46:34.729
Right yeah no I don't have a theory I mean my theory is what they said she admitted that she killed him.
00:46:34.969 --> 00:46:35.289
Right.
00:46:35.529 --> 00:46:36.569
She said that she did.
00:46:36.729 --> 00:46:40.329
That's not the argument the argument is was she of sound mind.
00:46:40.569 --> 00:47:01.929
Right well so that's again where speculation comes into play because on the because the 911 operator was on social media and she was like I don't want to misrepresent what she said but she was like she sounded like she was weak.
00:47:02.249 --> 00:47:12.649
So she was like that's the misconception is that people want to believe that she was either coherently speaking or she couldn't speak at all because her thyroid was crushed.
00:47:12.729 --> 00:47:18.489
Well first of all your thyroid is not your trachea right because what happened is she jumped out of a window broke her back.
00:47:18.809 --> 00:47:28.969
Right right and so and again this comes down to and again you have all these medical experts that sit there and say it's just like with the Charlie Kirk thing.
00:47:29.289 --> 00:48:02.329
People are like you can't talk when this happens you can't move when this happens you can't breathe when this happens yet here we are yes you can and that's the thing well that's what I'm saying like the human body does all sorts of weird shit man right that you can't really account for or plan for and that's why when you talk to the people that are the real experts they'll tell you the range of possible right scenarios is vast when it comes to injury to the body and what happens then after.
00:48:02.649 --> 00:48:21.609
Right like how well it's so ridiculous too because there's like so for example one of the the counter theories was how cold or how into hypothermia she was I don't know the she was 82 degrees.
00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:39.289
So here's the here's the big question and this is what raises eyebrows so she went to one hospital first because she was outside in the cold after she fell out of the window or jumped out of the window whatever she was out in the the northeast.
00:48:39.529 --> 00:48:59.449
So when she got to the first hospital they like turned her away because they said the injury first off they like this woman's back was broken like she had cerebral spinal fluid coming out of her nose which is the sign of severe brain trauma.
00:48:59.689 --> 00:48:59.929
Right.
00:49:00.169 --> 00:49:05.609
You know what I mean like that if you have spinal fluid coming out of your nose shit seriously fucked up.
00:49:05.769 --> 00:49:20.009
You're right on the verge of death and they basically were like no she's got to go to this other hospital and so basically what I and they were like oh her injuries weren't that they called her wounds on her wrists and stuff superficial.
00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:41.129
Well if you're the same because you know the argument is that she didn't cut her wrist deep enough to kill herself so well if they weren't assessing her as having this good enough to even notice that she's had a very traumatic I mean she this woman needs immediate attention not four hours later.
00:49:41.369 --> 00:49:48.249
Right how can they you even think that they made a reasonable assessment of her wrist.
00:49:48.489 --> 00:49:49.129
Right.
00:49:49.449 --> 00:50:08.329
And because some of the reports vary as to how deep the cuts were where the 82 degrees comes in though is when they first get her to the hospital her core temperature is 82 degrees when she's treated four hours later it's still 82 degrees or something like that.
00:50:08.409 --> 00:50:38.089
Oh yeah it's very well that's that's I don't know it's coming into play because there are people too many people have so many theories but so the people who believe that the husband did it are saying that he turned the air way up the air conditioning like made it really cold in the house to fuck with the timing of everything.
00:50:38.409 --> 00:50:46.329
Well and that's weird too because well I'm just saying I don't want to I just wanted to say before I don't know if what I just said was accurate in any way, shape or form.
00:50:46.569 --> 00:50:46.729
Okay.
00:50:47.049 --> 00:50:56.089
Anything we're saying here is not right we're not I'm not even we're just chit chatting first of all we're not reading off of notes don't call it this is just shit that I've seen.
00:50:56.329 --> 00:50:56.569
Right.
00:50:56.729 --> 00:50:58.249
I get the basic gist of it though.
00:50:58.329 --> 00:50:58.489
Right.
00:50:58.649 --> 00:51:02.889
And none of that the details of none of that matter I don't right I'm not here to hash out.
00:51:03.129 --> 00:51:03.449
Right.
00:51:03.689 --> 00:51:11.609
But I know the argument is that the first hospital didn't make a great assessment of her condition.
00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:12.409
Right.
00:51:12.809 --> 00:51:25.049
And she had very severe very serious injuries I mean she still can't walk right that's how serious injuries were she's paralyzed from the like the sternum down.
00:51:25.289 --> 00:51:25.769
Right.
00:51:26.089 --> 00:51:36.089
So like you know I mean obviously it's very bad injuries and I they part of the argument is that the first hospital didn't make a great assessment of those injuries.
00:51:36.409 --> 00:51:45.209
So the argument is that they weren't great at saying that the wounds for her suicide didn't look right basically.
00:51:45.769 --> 00:52:00.489
But what does any of that matter because they're saying if she just faked the suicide part killed her kids then makes it look like she had a mental breakdown by faking suicide faking a suicide attempt.
00:52:01.049 --> 00:52:02.089
That's what they're saying.
00:52:02.169 --> 00:52:03.849
That's the prosecution's argument.
00:52:04.169 --> 00:52:04.489
Right.
00:52:04.729 --> 00:52:35.129
They're saying that no she didn't have a breakdown and it proves it because she didn't even really try to commit suicide you understand what I'm saying had a breakdown and that's the part I want to get into actually because here's the thing is people are really really bad at recognizing or let's say they even recognize people can be really bad at dealing with other people's mental health issues.
00:52:35.369 --> 00:52:42.009
Period full stop in the story absolutely 100% ever because everybody has their own mental health issues.
00:52:42.249 --> 00:53:28.009
And there there's women that are like eight eight months postpartum no way bullshit bullshit and bullshit first of all there's no like maybe there's some DXM for what there's a recommended timeframe for what is postpartum I don't know it has to be immediately following the birth but what I know is that gone untreated like if it had gone untreated for eight months well here's the thing people are like did she have a mental illness she killed her fucking kids right obviously she had something wrong with her.
00:53:28.169 --> 00:53:28.489
Right.
00:53:28.649 --> 00:53:51.209
You don't do that because all counts are is that she was a great mother right prior to this nobody had any suspicion all these mandated reporters that she came in contact with doctors teachers other people that they were involved with nobody ever suspected that the kids were in any kind of danger or anything like that.
00:53:51.449 --> 00:54:12.249
So obviously whatever it was that was going on she masked very well and people do mask very well and it doesn't even require that great a masking because to your point people don't even want to pay attention masking though so here's the thing you've seen me in manic episodes that's bipolar.
00:54:12.409 --> 00:54:25.209
When you're bipolar you're not masking 89% of the time you're living life as who you are and then when you go manic you there's there's different types of mania.
00:54:25.449 --> 00:54:33.769
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying what I mean by masking is you're not talking to anyone about it.
00:54:33.929 --> 00:54:41.689
You're not letting those around you know that you might have something that makes you act a certain way or you're hiding it from the rest of the world.
00:54:41.929 --> 00:54:52.809
And I'm not saying you I'm saying people masking they hide but you bring me to a great point who she didn't mask it from was her husband.
00:54:53.609 --> 00:54:59.529
And here he was very involved in the managing of her medication.
00:54:59.849 --> 00:55:10.649
And I'm gonna tell you one thing that jumped off the page to me that I heard in trial that is irritating to me because I've never heard a doctor say it.
00:55:10.889 --> 00:55:14.089
Maybe it was because she was new I don't know who all the players are in this.
00:55:14.169 --> 00:55:17.129
I don't know if it was the new doctor or the nurse or who said it.
00:55:18.569 --> 00:55:22.009
There was a bag of her pills in her husband's car.
00:55:23.769 --> 00:55:44.729
And his reasoning for having a bag of pills in her car is because her doctor told her this is what he said her doctor told her to like when they changed up prescriptions to just give them to your husband to get rid of he's not a doctor and that's a le it's literally illegal.
00:55:45.049 --> 00:55:46.089
For him to get rid of them?
00:55:46.569 --> 00:55:46.729
Right.
00:55:47.289 --> 00:56:10.569
They have medicine drop-offs that's not illegal It's illegal to tell to say yeah give your unused pills to your husband to get rid of we could go down that road but I don't know that that's illegal but regardless of any of that I think the thing Why wouldn't you just say flush them down the toilet?
00:56:10.889 --> 00:56:13.449
Because you d you're not supposed to flush pills down.
00:56:13.529 --> 00:56:16.729
You're supposed to take them to a medical drop-off site at the pharmacy.
00:56:16.969 --> 00:56:19.609
You're not supposed to fl then they go into the water supply.
00:56:19.849 --> 00:56:33.289
Well why don't they make that more public it's a huge thing every time they do these medicine drives because they don't want because every time they do these water reports that all the medicines that people flush it's crazy.
00:56:33.449 --> 00:56:41.129
The fish got the fish like in the ocean have more antidepressants in them than like I you should read this stuff.
00:56:41.209 --> 00:56:42.009
It's crazy.
00:56:42.169 --> 00:57:12.569
It's terrible but regardless of any of that yeah you take them to a place and drop them off but she was very and the doctors also knew because she had a lot of questions around her medicine and stuff right and the thing is is the doctors also knew with her entire like and the doctors also but like and the doctors he the husband also tried to tell the doctors a lot of what was going on with the medicine bad reaction she was having and they didn't listen.
00:57:12.729 --> 00:57:34.889
In the one instance they increased her medicine where she was most likely having a serotonin overload they increased the ceroquil right and she probably that was what they think happened is her system was so overloaded with serotonin because of the SSRIs that she had basically like a nervous breakdown.
00:57:35.129 --> 00:57:49.449
Right exactly and it pisses me off because first of all when you're bipolar SSRIs we know can oftentimes have an adverse effect right it's not the right thing for bipolar people.
00:57:49.689 --> 00:58:07.849
Well it's they've tried me on so I was on the lame that she was on and that made me violent I've been on Cerequel it made me a zombie like that like well butrons that didn't do anything it just made me hungry.
00:58:08.249 --> 00:59:06.169
I'm just saying like I've been managing it for how long like probably seven years with no medication whatsoever and I'm not I don't recommend that to anybody but that's why that's exactly why because doctors piss me off well here's the thing this is the problem and this is why we don't really understand enough about mental health medicine correct and the brain and how it works to really be prescribing medicine to people just now I understand there's ex some cases where it's extreme and medicine's necessary but we prescribe antidepressants and stuff like they're going out of style and I just don't think that's the right answer because we don't understand how the interactions of the brain are so crazy and people's bodies and brains are so different in their chemistry that these pills can really mess things up.
00:59:06.409 --> 00:59:06.889
Right.
00:59:07.129 --> 00:59:16.729
That's the thing is you start playing around with the brain's chemistry your body like can really get fucked up man I know and they that's why it's scary.
00:59:16.809 --> 00:59:24.489
I'm saying like mental health you almost need to be able to do genetic testing to get the right medication and they're not there yet.
00:59:24.809 --> 00:59:34.889
Yeah I don't think that they're nowhere near that not with mental health medicine know that all of mental health is actually something that can be fixed with medicine medicine.
00:59:35.289 --> 00:59:45.129
Right I the brain does have chemical embed we don't that's my point we just don't understand how the brain works enough right to be making medicine for it.
00:59:45.369 --> 00:59:56.969
The reason that we're able to make medicines for other things is because it's a very scientific very brick by brick that we know that this is the chemical that the liver produces that makes X happen.
00:59:57.129 --> 00:59:57.369
Right.
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So if we can make something that makes the liver do this right then this will balance this out.
01:00:03.289 --> 01:00:13.209
But the brain we don't the brain is so complex we don't understand those mechanisms and those things that like correlate with each other.
01:00:13.529 --> 01:00:24.649
Well well we never will no and here's why because you cannot you there's no litmus test for emotion.
01:00:24.889 --> 01:00:34.329
Right we don't even know what it is like consciousness or emo you know what I mean like we don't even we can't even really quantify that in any way shape or form.
01:00:34.649 --> 01:00:37.849
We know what it is and how to describe it because we experience it.
01:00:38.009 --> 01:00:38.249
Right.
01:00:38.409 --> 01:00:53.049
But there's no way to quantify it in any meaningful way to be able to and if we're living in the motherfucking simlers gonna make us do whatever we were going to do anyway right like it's insane.
01:00:53.289 --> 01:00:59.769
Well and then that goes back to the whole Travis Taylor podcast with AJ was the brain is a quantum computer.
01:01:00.169 --> 01:01:14.569
So your brain's firing like all so quantum computing so let's say that it is like basically a quantum computer how can you expect to have medicine to like we're playing around with buttons that we shouldn't be pushing.
01:01:14.889 --> 01:01:18.249
It's like a little kid that walked into the control room and he's just hitting things.
01:01:18.409 --> 01:01:18.649
Right.
01:01:18.889 --> 01:01:27.449
And yeah he sees that this works but he doesn't know that it also triggers this whole other thing because he just doesn't even understand how the systems work.
01:01:27.609 --> 01:01:30.409
That's us trying to prescribe medicine for the brain.
01:01:30.649 --> 01:01:30.969
Right.
01:01:31.129 --> 01:01:42.089
That's exactly it while there are some chemicals that can be tested and you can get balanced for the most part that's not gonna be the fix.
01:01:42.409 --> 01:01:42.729
Right.
01:01:42.889 --> 01:01:51.289
It's like and I'm not entirely sure that any success that they've seen on antidepressants and stuff is an entirely placebo effect.
01:01:51.609 --> 01:02:00.969
Oh do you know what I'm saying like I'm not sure that there is any actual meaning don't get me started on that because I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV.
01:02:01.369 --> 01:02:13.449
Right right that's exactly right but and I'm not saying placebo effect but look at so using my dad as an example and he won't care because it's not HIPAA's family.
01:02:13.609 --> 01:02:15.849
I don't even know his real diagnoses.
01:02:16.009 --> 01:02:26.009
I know that he's diagnosed with multiple personality disorder right nothing he's ever taken in all of time has ever done anything to help him.
01:02:26.169 --> 01:03:36.969
Xanax made him worse because he took alcohol with it right well he got electroshock therapy about a year and a half I don't know it's been like six years now he got electroshock he says that it didn't help because my dad's one of those people that nah absolutely you can right right it doesn't matter if it worked or not no medication helps right I'm pretty sure it worked because he's way I mean maybe age maybe age that's just it that's the other side of it is like well here's the thing is with some of these things and with the brain who's to say the brain controls so many things right and here's what's wild so that guy that I was watching on the Sean Ryan show the hypnotist guy he was explaining that there's people so in like there's people that can have one personality that has diabetes and it'll manifest in their body and then another personality when they're in this person maybe this wasn't that episode but whatever that's in this personality and they don't have it.
01:03:37.209 --> 01:03:37.449
Right.
01:03:37.689 --> 01:04:02.169
The physical ailment right so it changed so if your brain my point with all that is not to go down that rabbit hole but the point of that being is if your brain is able to control your physicality to that level you understand what I'm saying then maybe just the idea of something working is enough the placebo effect is enough to make it work for real.
01:04:02.409 --> 01:04:05.289
And that's the difference of the secret.
01:04:05.609 --> 01:04:20.809
But I'm just saying like it's you know what I mean like there's so many questions to be asked with that like with antidepressants and stuff like is there any real efficacy in the terms of the chemicals themselves upon the brain other than fucking things up.
01:04:21.129 --> 01:04:21.769
Right.
01:04:22.249 --> 01:04:31.769
Well now I mean now you got my gears turning because I'm like what if like let's say like your hormone levels come into play as part of the equation.
01:04:32.009 --> 01:04:32.249
Right.
01:04:32.489 --> 01:04:41.929
Of like I don't want to think about chemistry right now but I'm just saying like it's one of those things like I just don't think that we should be messing around pushing buttons.
01:04:42.169 --> 01:04:45.529
Right where we and and because things like this happen.
01:04:45.769 --> 01:04:52.969
And not that every case where medicine is prescribed wrongly is going to lead to you murdering your kids.
01:04:53.209 --> 01:04:53.529
Right.
01:04:53.689 --> 01:04:55.849
That's an extreme case in any situation.
01:04:56.009 --> 01:04:56.249
Right.
01:04:56.569 --> 01:05:01.929
And there's clearly already things wrong even whether or not she was on medicine, off medicine whatever.
01:05:02.089 --> 01:05:02.569
Right.
01:05:02.889 --> 01:05:05.609
Something has to go seriously wrong for that to happen.
01:05:05.929 --> 01:05:06.249
Right.
01:05:06.489 --> 01:05:16.329
But here's the thing with that is there's so many people are like trying to say it's premeditated that she was planning all this I disagree as well.
01:05:16.569 --> 01:05:25.129
And then the other thing with that is that like she's some type of sociopath because no mother could ever do that.
01:05:25.289 --> 01:05:31.369
Like that they think that like the that a mom would like realize that that's her kid and not do it.
01:05:31.849 --> 01:05:34.649
Mothers have been killing their kids since the beginning of time.
01:05:34.889 --> 01:05:35.449
Right.
01:05:35.689 --> 01:05:43.849
I mean maybe not the beginning of time but I'm just saying like mothers have been killing their kids for a long long time for all sorts of reasons.
01:05:43.929 --> 01:05:50.409
Sometimes it's breakdowns sometimes it's whatever right but the point being is mothers kill their kids.
01:05:50.649 --> 01:05:51.049
Right.
01:05:51.289 --> 01:06:02.409
We've seen this before right and and yes some of it is malicious intent like some of them just weren't equipped to be a mom or didn't want to be a mom or whatever.
01:06:02.649 --> 01:06:07.769
Right like but not all of it is like some of it is literally just a breakdown.
01:06:08.089 --> 01:06:23.689
Well and that's what I'm saying like how many most murders it doesn't matter who they are regardless of it's killing your kids or killing your neighbor right most murders are reactionary things.
01:06:23.929 --> 01:06:41.609
Right they happen in because a series of unfortunate events happened exactly boom boom boom something snapped and you reacted in a moment of course you weren't in your right mind for that 30 it can be 30 seconds or it can be 30 minutes.
01:06:41.849 --> 01:06:59.449
That's exactly it but think sometimes those things happen and that's the majority very seldom do people and I'm not saying they don't it does happen obviously but like usually that's usually those kind of people don't usually premeditate to kill their kids.
01:06:59.609 --> 01:06:59.769
Right.
01:07:00.089 --> 01:07:32.489
It just doesn't or a loved one period right usually those are reactionary passion not passion but you know they call it crimes a passion because it's an emotional it's an emotional reaction right to something but I also want to I also want to clarify too that like I don't sympathize with the part of her that snapped right I sim I feel bad for her now having to be like snapped back to reality right and deal with the consequences of what she did.
01:07:32.649 --> 01:07:34.249
Does Because we've all been there.
01:07:34.329 --> 01:07:45.369
Right where we've all done something stupid in the moment and then you have to clean up the You're left to deal with it afterwards, even though you now realize the error of your ways.
01:07:46.089 --> 01:07:46.329
Right.
01:07:46.489 --> 01:07:48.009
You acknowledge that you were wrong.
01:07:48.169 --> 01:07:50.969
And I'm again, so I'm not saying that we give her leeway.
01:07:51.129 --> 01:07:53.369
She she needs to be treated like any other murderer.
01:07:53.609 --> 01:07:54.169
I agree.
01:07:54.489 --> 01:07:56.809
100% needs to be treated like any other murderer.
01:07:57.049 --> 01:08:04.489
But the other thing that's making it controversial is how quickly, and this is again, it's always a hot topic.
01:08:05.609 --> 01:08:09.369
Three months after the funeral, her husband was remarried.
01:08:11.769 --> 01:08:12.969
The baby's funerals.
01:08:13.209 --> 01:08:13.609
Right.
01:08:13.849 --> 01:08:17.210
I mean, I don't know if it was short time.
01:08:17.609 --> 01:08:19.449
A lot of the people are pieces of shit.
01:08:19.529 --> 01:08:20.489
It doesn't matter.
01:08:20.729 --> 01:08:24.569
I don't read too much into that because I just know how people are.
01:08:24.729 --> 01:08:30.810
Even if he didn't kill her, that doesn't mean that he didn't mean that they're relationship.
01:08:30.970 --> 01:08:31.609
You know what I mean?
01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:31.930
Right.
01:08:32.170 --> 01:08:36.170
He could be happy, not happy about it, but like you know what I mean?
01:08:36.409 --> 01:08:37.529
And not have done it.
01:08:37.770 --> 01:08:38.010
Right.
01:08:38.090 --> 01:08:42.649
Like, you know, be relieved and I'm sure it was stressing them out and stuff.
01:08:42.890 --> 01:08:50.409
So like I don't do I think that that is an implication of something that he did wrong?
01:08:50.649 --> 01:08:50.970
No.
01:08:51.130 --> 01:08:52.970
It's just like the Scott Peterson thing.
01:08:53.050 --> 01:08:53.210
Right.
01:08:53.369 --> 01:08:54.329
Is he a piece of shit?
01:08:54.489 --> 01:08:54.729
Sure.
01:08:54.810 --> 01:08:56.489
But does that mean that he murdered his wife?
01:08:56.649 --> 01:08:56.810
No.
01:08:57.130 --> 01:08:58.010
Right, right, right.
01:08:58.250 --> 01:08:58.810
You know what I mean?
01:08:58.890 --> 01:09:00.729
Like, and I think that that goes with that.
01:09:01.130 --> 01:09:02.970
No, that's that's very fair.
01:09:03.289 --> 01:09:12.490
Because, like, I here and I struggle with this because like obviously, like, I feel like my mental health has gotten progressively better over the years.
01:09:12.730 --> 01:09:16.090
But I also like I reflect during times like this.
01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:21.610
Like, if God forbid, you would be put in that position, I wouldn't want you to be under scrutiny.
01:09:21.770 --> 01:09:22.330
Do you know what I mean?
01:09:22.490 --> 01:09:22.810
Right.
01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:25.370
Like, and so like I have to think about that.
01:09:25.450 --> 01:09:27.610
Like, you and I talk about my mental health.
01:09:27.770 --> 01:09:30.010
I'm very open about my mental health.
01:09:30.170 --> 01:09:31.610
Like, I don't feel like I had it.
01:09:31.770 --> 01:09:38.330
It's very, very like if I'm sad or whatever, I'm like, hey, I'm sad today, leave me the fuck alone, or hey, I don't feel like talking today.
01:09:38.570 --> 01:09:57.369
Here's where I'm kind of maybe people might get pissed off for my opinion, but I kind of feel like he's culpable for not protecting his kids in the sense that he didn't realize with all the fuckery of the medication that something like that could happen.
01:09:57.850 --> 01:10:10.250
Here's where, while I don't disagree with you that he should have been more aware and taken better steps, I also don't think that he's culpable in the legal sense of the word.
01:10:11.289 --> 01:10:13.610
Do I think he shares in the blame?
01:10:14.010 --> 01:10:14.489
Yes.
01:10:14.730 --> 01:10:18.250
But do I think that he shares in the blame in a legal sense?
01:10:18.489 --> 01:10:19.369
Absolutely not.
01:10:19.610 --> 01:10:20.010
Agree.
01:10:20.329 --> 01:10:23.770
People make bad decisions and things all the way.
01:10:23.850 --> 01:10:27.770
I I don't think that people should be held accountable for other people's decisions.
01:10:28.650 --> 01:10:32.329
But what's the would they turn around and charge him with neglect?
01:10:33.130 --> 01:10:33.930
I don't think so.
01:10:34.170 --> 01:10:36.730
I don't even think that he would win a civil suit.
01:10:36.970 --> 01:10:42.570
I mean, again, I don't think that like let's say her parents sued him for wrongful death.
01:10:42.890 --> 01:10:44.329
I don't even think they would win.
01:10:44.730 --> 01:10:48.409
I don't think there's even that much of a legal standard.
01:10:48.810 --> 01:10:54.489
Circling back to Prez Hilton when he started his shenanigans the other week, his three kids were at the house.
01:10:54.650 --> 01:10:54.810
Right.
01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:59.449
And his sister and his mom were there, and they left with the kids.
01:11:00.489 --> 01:11:02.810
If they had left the kids there.
01:11:04.010 --> 01:11:05.530
Well, that's different.
01:11:06.250 --> 01:11:07.850
Because he was in because he was vegan.
01:11:08.090 --> 01:11:15.930
He was in an active if she would have been like running around the house with a knife and he'd have been like, sure, stay here.
01:11:16.170 --> 01:11:16.489
Right.
01:11:16.650 --> 01:11:16.730
Okay.
01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:18.010
That would be one thing.
01:11:18.090 --> 01:11:28.329
But if he just leaves and it's normal as usual, right, there's no and I mean, even though she may have had a history, she had no history of hurting her kids.
01:11:28.570 --> 01:11:41.130
No, I no, I get that, but when I the more I hear about all the medications and all the fuckery with the medication, you've been on SSRIs before, right?
01:11:41.930 --> 01:11:43.850
You know what some of those do.
01:11:44.010 --> 01:11:46.810
Like what benzo, she was on bed some benzos.
01:11:47.130 --> 01:11:50.890
Like all of that stuff makes people weird.
01:11:51.289 --> 01:11:52.650
That's why I don't take it.
01:11:52.810 --> 01:11:53.690
I understand that.
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And but also other people aren't as good at recognizing symptoms of like that stuff in other people, especially if you don't really care or maybe disinterested.
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Thank you.
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You said exactly what I'm saying.
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Is that wrong though?
01:12:08.890 --> 01:12:11.289
But I'm saying, is that wrong in a legal sense of the word?
01:12:11.530 --> 01:12:11.850
No.
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If it fails to protect three children that are primarily in her care, yeah.
01:12:19.530 --> 01:12:30.329
No, disregard for but like what I'm saying is you can't it because there's no line you can draw there that says this person can do it and this person can't.
01:12:30.650 --> 01:12:31.449
No, I get it.
01:12:31.610 --> 01:12:39.289
Like I'm not saying it like I'm not saying it's I'm just saying do I agree with you that he shares in the blame?
01:12:39.449 --> 01:12:39.770
Yes.
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And he whether or not it bothers him to live with it for the rest of his life, he has to.
01:12:46.570 --> 01:12:48.170
And maybe he reflects on that.
01:12:48.250 --> 01:12:49.690
I have no idea.
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But like I said, do I think that he shares in the blame?
01:12:53.289 --> 01:12:55.130
Yes, but I think a lot of people do.
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I don't think it's one person.
01:12:56.970 --> 01:13:01.770
Oh no, I definitely think that the doctors share in the blame as well.
01:13:02.010 --> 01:13:06.329
Well, I think it's a a lot of people did because a lot of people did missed things.
01:13:06.570 --> 01:13:06.970
Right.
01:13:07.210 --> 01:13:07.770
Along the way.
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It was failed failed system again.
01:13:10.650 --> 01:13:19.050
It was failed system, but it was failed family too, and failed friend, failed everything is what I'm getting at.
01:13:19.210 --> 01:13:35.050
And maybe, but again, back to the point that it's like to your point earlier, it's not always easy to recognize things because unless something was going on with you, I'm probably not going to recognize nothing going on with nobody else because I really don't pay that much attention.
01:13:35.289 --> 01:13:35.530
Right.
01:13:36.329 --> 01:13:41.289
So I'm just saying, like, it's like it's easy to not see things when you're not looking for them.
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Right.
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And when you and it's not that I don't give a shit or whatever, I just don't pay attention to it because it's like you got enough going on in your own life.
01:13:50.489 --> 01:13:50.730
Right.
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To be worried about other things.
01:13:52.489 --> 01:13:59.130
So I'll give you an example that's kind of funny, and I'm not gonna say the person's name because I don't unless you want to say it.
01:13:59.449 --> 01:14:08.329
Your family had a friend that was crazy, but it was harmless crazy, right?
01:14:09.770 --> 01:14:15.850
But she was giving her money away, like crazy, and people knew about it.
01:14:16.010 --> 01:14:19.289
Like, do you protect an adult from doing that?
01:14:19.610 --> 01:14:21.610
No, and here's why.
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You they tried, she didn't want it.
01:14:26.570 --> 01:14:28.010
So you can't stop her.
01:14:28.250 --> 01:14:28.489
Right.
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She didn't want the help.
01:14:29.850 --> 01:14:30.730
Right, right.
01:14:31.210 --> 01:14:35.050
She said, I'm an adult, I can make my own decisions, and that's that.
01:14:35.130 --> 01:14:37.610
And she's absolutely 100% correct right in that.
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Yeah.
01:14:38.730 --> 01:14:53.050
And and but that was the question that was raised prior by the rest of the family was how do should we and how do we interject to sort of save her from herself.
01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:53.690
Right.
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And the fact of the matter is, like I said, you can't.
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They made an effort and she was unreceptive to it, and that's where you have to go.
01:15:08.010 --> 01:15:10.970
Unless it's gonna cause her direct harm.
01:15:11.690 --> 01:15:15.449
Like I mean like some sort of physical harm.
01:15:15.690 --> 01:15:15.770
Right.
01:15:16.170 --> 01:15:18.970
Or to her person or her property or something like that.
01:15:19.210 --> 01:15:20.650
Her house was paid for.
01:15:20.810 --> 01:15:21.130
Right.
01:15:21.289 --> 01:15:21.930
You know what I mean?
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She inherited it from her it was in her family.
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Her house was paid for.
01:15:28.010 --> 01:15:32.010
She like had you know what I mean, like and she didn't have extravagance.
01:15:32.250 --> 01:15:34.409
So, like, yeah, expand expenditures.
01:15:34.489 --> 01:15:36.730
Like, she didn't have a car payment, you know what I mean?
01:15:36.810 --> 01:15:37.369
None of that stuff.
01:15:37.530 --> 01:15:41.770
So it's like her expenditures were what she had to spend money on, like her bills.
01:15:41.930 --> 01:15:42.250
Right.
01:15:42.409 --> 01:15:43.610
Like every month.
01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:47.050
Which she still got like social security or whatever.
01:15:47.289 --> 01:15:51.530
So it wasn't like she was going through money that she had from a settlement.
01:15:51.690 --> 01:15:52.090
Right.
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A nest egg.
01:15:53.369 --> 01:16:01.930
Had it been that she was just given every penny that she had and couldn't even, it was gonna be, you know, shut her or water off, and it never got to anything like that.
01:16:02.010 --> 01:16:08.010
Like, I don't think that she would have allowed, like she would have given away all her extra money.
01:16:08.329 --> 01:16:09.610
Right, right, right.
01:16:10.250 --> 01:16:13.210
But not her living money.
01:16:13.449 --> 01:16:13.690
Right.
01:16:13.930 --> 01:16:14.570
You know what I'm saying?
01:16:14.810 --> 01:16:16.970
So I think it's like so she wasn't that crazy.
01:16:17.210 --> 01:16:21.449
Which is why I'm but my point is though, is like people can do stuff like that.
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That's their God-given right as an American.
01:16:24.730 --> 01:16:26.010
Agree, agree.
01:16:26.890 --> 01:16:34.810
And if and yeah But scammers only exist because there are people that are available to be taken advantage of.
01:16:35.130 --> 01:16:39.449
Well, right, no, I agree with that, but like I said, we tried to like help her.
01:16:39.690 --> 01:16:40.570
We tried to make her see.
01:16:40.970 --> 01:16:43.130
Oh yeah, I'm not she just throwing your family.
01:16:43.530 --> 01:16:45.289
Oh no, I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that.
01:16:45.369 --> 01:17:00.329
I'm just saying, as an example, because I have this brilliant idea, which I'm not going to bring up here right now because I'm actually pitching at work, but it it's in that arena, like mental health.
01:17:00.570 --> 01:17:06.570
Like, how do we so the state of mental health?
01:17:06.810 --> 01:17:16.170
So and again, I'm not a c clinician and I don't have statistics yet, but I'll have them because I'm very passionate about this right now.
01:17:16.329 --> 01:17:18.010
I've been thinking about it a lot.
01:17:18.489 --> 01:17:30.570
But like so, we had asylums, but they weren't managed correctly, so we had to shut them down because people are fucking assholes, right?
01:17:30.810 --> 01:17:33.690
We still have why we shut them down.
01:17:34.810 --> 01:17:37.369
A lot of them got shut down because I'm gonna have to look more into it.
01:17:37.449 --> 01:17:44.329
I just follow me on the timeline here, because I'm not getting into the weeds with it yet.
01:17:44.570 --> 01:17:48.250
We will cover it later, especially if I get my way on this thing.
01:17:48.730 --> 01:17:53.369
So we had like asylums.
01:17:54.170 --> 01:18:01.770
We still have state hospitals, but people don't then like the whole push for psychiatry and psychology came along.
01:18:02.170 --> 01:18:12.010
And people started to get rights around their mental health, which means that you couldn't institutionalize them as easy, which is both a good and a bad thing.
01:18:12.329 --> 01:18:29.130
Because now there are people falling through the cracks who need to either be institutionalized or need some torp some type of companionship or like assisted living, like more group homes.
01:18:29.289 --> 01:18:37.850
Maybe it's not one big hospital, but more smaller clusters of like a house parent helping people together.
01:18:37.930 --> 01:18:41.850
You're always gonna have homeless, you're always gonna have drug people, right?
01:18:42.250 --> 01:18:51.050
I think that raises a bigger question, though, is you take all that into consideration at the same time because it's gonna have to involve all those things because they all intertwine.
01:18:51.210 --> 01:18:51.369
Right.
01:18:51.530 --> 01:18:59.289
So, like drug addicts, homelessness, mental instability, whatever you want to call it.
01:18:59.610 --> 01:19:06.489
And that's just one group of population that's already underserved, like that group of people.
01:19:06.810 --> 01:19:15.770
Then there's an entire other group that's really underserved because they're not even acknowledged, and that's these people that we're talking about here, like that this lady falls into.
01:19:16.010 --> 01:19:16.409
Right.
01:19:16.650 --> 01:19:28.650
That people that are not in a situation where they're like it's not a public problem because she's got a home, she's got a family, she's got you know what I'm saying?
01:19:28.730 --> 01:19:31.850
Like, she's not living on the street, she's not a nuisance to anyone else.
01:19:32.250 --> 01:19:36.489
But those are a different set of services, and that's the part that I don't want to talk about.
01:19:37.050 --> 01:19:46.970
Well, that's what I'm getting at, is this is all gonna be like encompassed, sort of like under the same umbrella, though, but it's important to make that distinction.
01:19:47.770 --> 01:19:48.170
Right.
01:19:48.489 --> 01:19:53.930
Because I don't think, like to your point, they're not served by they don't have the same solution.
01:19:54.170 --> 01:19:54.650
Correct.
01:19:54.810 --> 01:19:55.530
Do you know what I'm saying?
01:19:55.610 --> 01:20:01.850
Like that's exactly it, and it's not this we always tend to overcorrect, right?
01:20:02.170 --> 01:20:13.690
So, like now, the mental health crisis, and I put it in air quotes, because now you've got a whole other population that's using it as a badge of honor.
01:20:13.850 --> 01:20:16.329
Hey, I've got a I've got a diagnosis.
01:20:16.489 --> 01:20:18.730
Like there's the diagnosis shoppers, right?
01:20:18.810 --> 01:20:22.810
That want a diagnosis, and those people have to be dealt with a very specific way, too.
01:20:23.690 --> 01:20:25.050
Should be a diagnosis.
01:20:25.530 --> 01:20:26.730
It's called malingering.
01:20:27.050 --> 01:20:28.489
But I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying.
01:20:28.810 --> 01:20:30.810
I don't know if it's diagnosable, but it's called malingering.
01:20:31.130 --> 01:20:37.690
No, but I'm saying that, yeah, the people that want to like just have the thing, and it's like that that's what I'm saying.
01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:42.650
We have so many different groups here, and those people need help too, because they're annoying as shit.
01:20:42.890 --> 01:20:43.610
You know what I mean?
01:20:43.770 --> 01:20:43.930
Right.
01:20:44.170 --> 01:20:48.730
But maybe if we could help actually help these other people that need it, maybe these people would be a little less annoying.
01:20:49.050 --> 01:20:49.289
Right.
01:20:49.449 --> 01:20:49.930
That's it.
01:20:50.090 --> 01:20:58.329
It's like instead of doing a big tidal wave of one big fix, you like do a ripple that ripples.
01:20:58.810 --> 01:21:08.570
It goes back to my whole thing with like drug addicts and drug treatment in this country, because we use one blanket approach, it's the same problem.
01:21:08.810 --> 01:21:08.970
Right.
01:21:09.210 --> 01:21:16.810
We use one blanket approach for all these different nuanced things that don't require the same solution, yet we try the same solution.
01:21:17.130 --> 01:21:37.050
Right, because that's the whole thing with mental health, is that they're thinking coming at it from a very scientific approach or a very whatever, whatever mental health is when they're factoring in the drugs and stuff, but it's the environmental factor that's actually contributing, right?
01:21:37.449 --> 01:21:46.010
The root cause of a lot of mental health issues or even perceived and why placebo effect happens is environment.
01:21:46.250 --> 01:21:46.570
Right.
01:21:46.730 --> 01:21:56.329
They don't even figure in how much the changes in somebody's environment actually are contributing to their well-being or not, right?
01:21:56.650 --> 01:21:59.449
So, anyways, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.
01:21:59.770 --> 01:22:09.850
So, to just put a couple periods on this segment, I'm not anti-seeing a therapist.
01:22:10.170 --> 01:22:16.090
I absolutely believe that people should talk it out, but find your person.
01:22:16.730 --> 01:22:19.130
There's some good therapists out there.
01:22:19.289 --> 01:22:25.449
There's a lot of for every one good therapist, there's probably seven really bad ones.
01:22:25.770 --> 01:22:35.610
I use Chat GBT for therapy, and it's great because I've actually gotten better at letting things go since I started using him.
01:22:35.930 --> 01:22:42.650
I just also want to say that I also think that mental health is also a symptom of a problem of modern society.
01:22:42.970 --> 01:22:43.289
Agree.
01:22:43.530 --> 01:22:50.489
Because I think in the ancient world, when all you're worried about is what you're gonna eat next, I think there was a whole lot less mental health crises.
01:22:51.050 --> 01:22:53.210
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
01:22:53.850 --> 01:22:55.289
What does that say?
01:22:56.409 --> 01:22:58.409
Time is the devil's playground.
01:22:58.570 --> 01:22:59.770
Is that a saying?
01:23:00.489 --> 01:23:01.930
It might be, but it's something like that.
01:23:02.010 --> 01:23:02.489
Yeah, sure.
01:23:03.050 --> 01:23:04.170
Something about idle hands.
01:23:04.570 --> 01:23:07.449
Idle Hands is the devil's playground.
01:23:07.930 --> 01:23:08.650
Something like that.
01:23:08.970 --> 01:23:09.289
Something.
01:23:09.449 --> 01:23:12.010
The devil's always up to something in these things.
01:23:12.329 --> 01:23:13.289
You gotta watch him.
01:23:13.369 --> 01:23:14.810
He's a crafty some bitch.
01:23:14.970 --> 01:23:16.329
The devil's a lie.
01:23:16.810 --> 01:23:18.329
The devil's a lie.
01:23:18.890 --> 01:23:20.170
But I'm just saying.
01:23:20.489 --> 01:23:22.730
So, alright, what do you got coming up?
01:23:23.530 --> 01:23:26.489
Head in line in August 29th, Housedale Moose.
01:23:26.650 --> 01:23:27.449
Come on out.
01:23:27.770 --> 01:23:28.329
Woop woo.
01:23:28.570 --> 01:23:29.449
That's gonna be a lot of fun.
01:23:29.610 --> 01:23:30.810
I love me a moose.
01:23:30.970 --> 01:23:32.810
Well, I love me a moose, brother.
01:23:33.610 --> 01:23:34.570
I love a good moose.
01:23:34.730 --> 01:23:35.210
I love me.
01:23:36.730 --> 01:23:40.010
Just remember, it's not fuck the fire department.
01:23:40.090 --> 01:23:41.289
It's fuck the police.
01:23:41.610 --> 01:23:44.650
You gotta now you gotta explain that before we roll out.
01:23:45.449 --> 01:23:48.890
Okay, no, so I was at the grocery store yesterday.
01:23:49.050 --> 01:23:54.970
I don't know how I always I have this thing where I attract people to talk to me, strangers.
01:23:55.610 --> 01:24:01.369
This guy, we like just exchanged glances as I was taking my cart and he was putting his back.
01:24:01.610 --> 01:24:03.449
He's like, How you doing, brother?
01:24:03.690 --> 01:24:06.010
And I was like, Good, and how are you?
01:24:06.250 --> 01:24:07.369
Because I'm always friendly.
01:24:07.449 --> 01:24:09.770
You know me, like I'll always be polite back.
01:24:09.930 --> 01:24:11.130
I was like, good, how are you?
01:24:11.210 --> 01:24:12.250
And he's like, Oh, I'm doing good.
01:24:12.329 --> 01:24:14.570
He said, Hold on a second here, I got something for you.
01:24:14.810 --> 01:24:17.770
He pulls out a pack of stickers and he hands me one.
01:24:18.090 --> 01:24:26.010
He's got like a stack of them, he hands me one, and it's a picture of easy E, and it says, It's not fuck the fire department, it's fuck the police.
01:24:26.409 --> 01:24:28.810
And I just want everybody to remember that.
01:24:29.050 --> 01:24:31.850
And if nobody told you business, stay trash.
01:24:32.010 --> 01:24:33.289
Stay trash eight.
01:24:33.610 --> 01:24:37.369
Oh, Mike and Hand laps in the air.
01:24:37.610 --> 01:24:40.090
UFOs flash without a care.
01:24:40.810 --> 01:24:43.610
Gildy trash where the loud things roll.
01:24:44.090 --> 01:24:46.890
Comedy legends, we bring it home.
01:24:47.289 --> 01:24:49.530
Call it highways midnight.
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Up now, this is gilding.