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00:00:02.560You know, it's if you asked me two years ago, do you believe in ghosts?
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00:00:09.599And now, and now I would have to now I have to go well to find ghosts, right?
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00:00:20.800All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Ghost City Podcast.
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00:00:25.600I'm actually here today with Gary and John from the Splintered Spirits Podcast.
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00:00:32.079Now, these guys, as you might have inferred by what I just said, have a podcast and it's about ghosts that are apparently splintered.
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00:00:35.439Um I don't really know what that means, but I think we're gonna dive into it.
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00:00:38.560I hear splinter and I think like, you know, teenage mute ninja turtles.
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00:00:43.200So so guys, you know, obviously, you know, you you have your podcast that deals with the paranormal and stuff like that.
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00:00:50.560Um, you know, anytime I encounter somebody who's working in the paranormal, my my first question is always like, why?
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00:00:52.320Why like you know, why?
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00:00:57.359I mean, I mean that in a good way, you know, like, you know, why are you uh why are you even interested in this stuff?
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00:00:59.200Like what what what lured you in?
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00:01:02.719Well, let let me start, John, and then we'll jump into what what you do.
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00:01:06.879So you asked about splintered spirits, what you know, and you said what does it mean, right?
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00:01:15.680So well, I'm I'm an LA producer, I've been out here for 25 years, and I've from working at Fox and I ran Discovery Studios for like almost a decade.
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00:01:24.719John has a very popular uh TikTok stream.
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00:01:26.640He's got over 1.2 million followers now.
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00:01:29.599He's got about 2.6 million across all platforms.
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00:01:32.000He's a live influencer of the paranormal.
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00:01:36.239Most people know him from cleaning headstones and talking to spirits on spirit boxes.
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00:01:39.760Those things have gotten in 20 million views, 10 million, 11 million views.
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00:01:41.840I'm sitting here like, how the fuck this what's going on?
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00:01:43.680I hope it's been a path after a minute.
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00:01:44.719How is this guy?
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00:01:46.159What is going on?
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00:01:48.000What is he doing?
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00:01:49.040Like, what is happening?
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00:01:50.319This is like a thing, right?
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00:01:55.680And how can I format what we can do as a show uh around what he's doing?
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00:02:01.439And we started talking just a little over, like around two years ago, just under two years ago, about it.
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00:02:06.719Like he was only, I think we were at 500,000 followers on TikTok at this point where we really start these conversations.
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00:02:09.439And I really wanted to understand what was going on.
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00:02:14.960And we'd I sort of uh did an interview with him over it because I'm in LA, like, let's talk, tell me about what's happening.
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00:02:21.199And after I'm watching the interview, I'm like, what maybe this is a podcast and like let's try it like this.
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00:02:25.919And could and it's really the impetus of it was okay, what are we doing?
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00:02:26.800What is he doing?
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00:02:28.319What is he talking to?
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00:02:30.960Which is the water ghosts, and John's theory.
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00:02:32.319And I'll speak for him for one second.
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00:02:43.680John's theory is that's what you say that you know, spirits are the fractured memories of the living, right?
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00:02:50.240When you die, your energy disperses, and your memory like that's one theory of it, hence splintered spirits.
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00:02:50.879Oh, okay.
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00:02:52.560How we got to that name.
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00:03:00.000And everything we do in the podcast, all the guests we have, everybody we talk to is really, I describe it as like a mosaic, right?
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00:03:05.360We are uh I I don't I've had skeptics on witches, mediums, other creators.
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00:03:11.520It doesn't matter what do you believe, what are ghosts, what are spirits for you?
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00:03:12.319What is it?
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00:03:13.360What have you experienced?
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00:03:14.240How do you interpret it?
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00:03:16.080I've got some wild answers.
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00:03:25.280You can imagine some of the ones we get, you know, are very religious-based, some are woo-woo-based, some are you know, from this from the more academics are are really interesting.
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00:03:27.759And you paint this mosaic, right?
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00:03:30.960Everyone's is every everybody's interpretation is a tile.
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00:03:36.400And the idea, the farther out you get, maybe you just might get it some cohesion of an image, right?
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00:03:38.080And that's kind of the fun of it, too, for us.
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00:03:44.240Yeah, I mean, part of the fun is just the the figuring out part, especially when it's something that we're probably never gonna figure out for sure.
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00:03:47.199No, I can't imagine, but uh maybe.
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00:03:54.000So, so John, um, you know, Gary mentioned, you know, cleaning headstones, uh, spirit boxes, all this other stuff.
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00:03:59.759So um, I'm gonna assume that you've been into this whole paranormal world a little bit longer than Gary.
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00:04:01.680Um maybe.
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00:04:06.560Um so so I guess one, how did you get into it?
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00:04:11.840And two, what did you think when Gary came to you with this idea of like, hey man, let's let's do a podcast about this?
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00:04:15.680So, so I've always been always been into it since I was a child.
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00:04:21.680Uh I always tell the story about how one of my gr grandparents had, do you remember the Time Life series?
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00:04:23.759They used to come out with all the books and whatnot.
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00:04:29.040She had a book that's actually kind of uh uh famous called Mysteries of the Unexplained.
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00:04:38.160And at like eight, nine years old, there I am, you know, reading this book, became enthralled with the entire aspects of the paranormal, all the different types.
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00:04:44.720Then, you know, you as you get older, doing investigations and and ghost hunts and this, that, and the other.
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00:04:50.639And then, you know, life gets in the way, you you you you fall out, you still have the interest, but you fall out.
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00:04:55.920And then, like most people, COVID hits, and it's like, huh, what am I gonna do?
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00:04:57.600Oh, you know what?
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00:05:05.199So that's how that's how that basically just unfolded for the most part.
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00:05:12.399But when Gary came to me about the uh idea, like Gary said, at first, it was like, what are we gonna do?
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00:05:16.079Let's just start off with an interview, see where it takes us.
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00:05:28.720When the whole idea for the podcast unfolded, it was great because I show when I'm on my live streams, a side of the paranormal that a lot of people don't, I look at it through a logical lens.
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00:05:33.519I take away the scare factor because that's just uh, you know, the produced part of it.
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00:05:35.279Everyone wants to get scared and whatnot.
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00:05:36.480I'm not a big fan of that.
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00:05:39.680If it happens naturally, okay, cool.
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00:05:41.680We have a reason to be scared.
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00:05:46.079But if a spirit's like, get out, it's like, fuck are you?
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00:05:47.360Exactly.
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00:05:48.319Like you know what I mean?
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00:05:49.600Let me jump in here.
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00:05:56.000Like, John is not what you would think of as a typical, he's not an investigator, and he tells people I'm not a investigator.
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00:06:02.399He documents spirits, and if you and he's a live influencer, so most of it he he doesn't have produced stuff, you know.
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00:06:08.000It's like when he goes out there, it's always live every night, and it's a hangout, and there's a spirit's talking.
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00:06:12.160Most of the time he's talking to his community, and if something catches him, it's like, what was that?
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00:06:17.600So it's a very different vibe, uh, and it's uh polarizing as well.
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00:06:19.519It's a very different outlook on it.
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00:06:27.040Uh, from what I come to believe me, from what I've learned in this community for the last while, it's a very polarizing one, which I which I also enjoy.
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00:06:28.800Yeah, but yeah, it's a very different approach.
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00:06:30.639Yeah, yeah.
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00:06:39.600So it's just uh again, I just take the spiritualism or religion out, uh, look at it through a logical lens, and and and and that's basically it.
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00:06:45.759Well, it sounds like a little bit of a breath of fresh air, honestly.
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00:06:52.480Um, because a lot of paranormal content, we were talking with uh Srina, Serena yesterday, and we're we're talking about this a little bit.
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00:06:56.000It seems like you know, everybody on YouTube just wants to copy everybody else.
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00:07:14.000Um, but paranormal content's kind of turned into this thing where it's just a bunch of young kids running around a house screaming, hyperventiling in a paper bag, saying that there's demons everywhere, and that's what paranormal content is right now.
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00:07:29.439Um I'm not I'm not always a fan of that though, especially when I always tell people I'm like, if you're watching somebody do an investigation, you know, and they're there 12 hours and shit's happening the entire 12 hours, they're faking it.
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00:07:32.079Um, you know, like that's your first hint.
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00:07:38.639But you're taking a different approach, which is like, I'm just gonna go sit somewhere, have a conversation, and see what happens and do it live.
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00:07:39.839Yep.
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00:07:44.000And I'm gonna assume well, I'm gonna assume a lot of times, or at least some of the times, nothing happens.
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00:07:50.000Oh, well, that well, that that that's exactly it, you know, and that's why I speak to the community so much while I'm live.
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00:07:54.240And oh listen, this is what I always say about spirit boxes in general.
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00:08:05.759It doesn't matter what type, whether it's analog, whether you're using, you know, Gary Galka's SB7, or whether you're using an app like Necrophonic or Necrometer or Vox or Ghost, it doesn't make a difference.
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00:08:12.639Spirit boxes sit out the same shit to everybody until they don't.
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00:08:13.439Yeah, right.
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00:08:21.439And it's until that don't part that, you know, I'm there, I'm talking to the community, and you know, if nothing happens, nothing happens.
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00:08:26.319Well, so let's talk about spirit boxes for a minute because they're they're kind of controversial.
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00:08:27.680Um yeah, big time.
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00:08:34.399And it and it sounds like you're you have, you know, you're you're on one side of the fence, and I'm sure you're doing it with a healthy amount of skepticism too.
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00:08:44.960Um, I'm one of the people, and don't think this personally, I usually if somebody asks me about a spirit box, I'm usually like, they're crap.
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00:08:51.519Now, that doesn't mean that they're crap, that just means my opinion of them based on my knowledge and my experience leads me to that conclusion.
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00:08:54.399I'm not claiming that they are literally crap.
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00:09:00.480Um but what is it about them for you that that makes them a legitimate research tool?
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00:09:05.039Not maybe not a research tool, but a communication device, like whatever, however you word that.
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00:09:10.720It comes down to well, give you, I have to give you an example for this.
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00:09:23.759If I'm walking in the cemetery, right, and I have safeguards put in place for my live stream while communicating with spirits, because there's no way that somebody develops an app and that app is not listening to you.
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00:09:25.039There's no way.
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00:09:32.240So you get so if you get somebody at a cemetery and they see a headstone and they say, let's say the name is Bob, right?
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00:09:35.360Bob, oh hi, Bob, how are you, Bob?
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00:09:36.960Bob, can you hear me?
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00:09:38.240Bob, are you here?
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00:09:40.879You already just said Bob four fucking times.
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00:09:46.159So all of a sudden the spirit box is gonna pop out, Bob.
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00:09:48.320Yeah, you know, and people lose their minds.
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00:09:49.759Oh my god, Bob is here.
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00:09:51.279How do we know that Bob is here?
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00:09:55.200How do we know that app's just not coded to listen to what you are saying?
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00:10:04.480So, to safeguard things like this, what I do if I'm at a cemetery, spirit, may we have a conversation, which I get shit for from people.
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00:10:06.480Call me, don't call them spirits.
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00:10:07.679That's disrespectful.
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00:10:08.879Call them by their name.
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00:10:11.120Oh, it's like, no, I can't, you can't do that yet.
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00:10:12.480Well, you can't do that yet.
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00:10:16.000You can you can't do anything in the paranormal without pissing off half the people.
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00:10:19.120It's great.
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00:10:19.759Yeah, you can't.
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00:10:24.320So you know, so if I go and if I say spirit, may we have a conversation.
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00:10:29.360There's some dialogue, all of a sudden the spirit says, Uh-uh, Bob.
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00:10:31.759Well, okay, hold on.
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00:10:34.000I never even said your name, Bob.
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00:10:35.840Awesome.
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00:10:43.600Now, visually, also the cameras, when I do this, they're usually on my wrist, right the the spirit bot, the phone.
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00:10:47.279So they're facing up into the sky most of the time.
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00:10:49.360So it's not like they can even see the headstone.
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00:10:50.720It gets crazier.
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00:10:56.320So let's say the bot the last name of Bob is Broker, right?
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00:11:00.000And all of a sudden it says Bob Broker.
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00:11:03.679Well, then that's that's insane right there.
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00:11:08.000Because you're getting Bob, a very common name, derivative of William, okay?
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00:11:10.639Robert, you know, all that.
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00:11:15.519And then all of a sudden, we're getting a last name too.
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00:11:16.320Yeah.
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00:11:25.039So that's where that's where I draw the line where it's like, okay, sometimes these spirit boxes will be accurate.
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00:11:25.360Yeah.
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00:11:26.879A lot of the times they're not.
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00:11:32.320So I understand why you feel that they're crap, because they can be.
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00:11:33.200Let's be real.
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00:11:38.320Well, anybody who comes on here and says, oh, they're not, they're 100% legit, they don't know what they're talking about.
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00:11:45.600I'll tell you one thing I've noticed, Tim, real quick before you'll jump in that I I don't the the lack of a better word, the only word I can think of is coincidence.
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00:11:51.600When there's a a series of coincidences in a row with these things, I even I even I'm like, what is up?
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00:11:53.840Because when I download these apps, I get dick.
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00:11:54.399I really do.
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00:11:55.279I get what John said.
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00:11:57.120Yeah go away, all this stuff.
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00:12:01.279When I'm with John, or when I watch John do it, there's it's a difference.
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00:12:04.000Now, we we did an episode on this.
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00:12:18.320One of John's moderators, and for those who don't know, if you're if you're a large uh social media personality, you have moderators who keep your chat supposed to keep some cohesion and some uh calmness in the chat because it gets crazy.
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00:12:19.840People say that you know to watch it, right?
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00:12:21.039Yeah, it gets crazy.
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00:12:23.440One of his moderators lost his mother.
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00:12:25.679Was it like around October of 2024?
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00:12:26.399Passed away.
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00:12:27.120Yeah, right.
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00:12:28.639Yeah, passed away.
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00:12:32.480He started getting phone calls from his mother's phone, right?
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00:12:34.879Usually it would just, and this is a phenomenon that's happened.
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00:12:40.000You know, there's a whole suit of things, but the cell phone, his mother's cell phone was in his in the drawer in his house, he had all their stuff.
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00:12:42.480Uh, and it would just be static on the phone.
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00:12:46.559John is live, John is doing one of his live streams with this moderator.
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00:12:47.279It's live.
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00:12:48.559They're in some Indiana.
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00:12:49.919What location were you at in Indiana?
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00:12:51.600Uh, the Randolph County Infirmary.
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00:12:52.000Okay.
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00:12:53.279They're out there.
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00:12:58.320All of a sudden, on the spirit box, you hear on one of his apps, it says mom's on the phone.
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00:13:01.759And about 30 minutes later, this is all live.
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00:13:03.440The fucking phone call.
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00:13:07.679He gets his moderator who's who took him there, gets the he's like, dude, look.
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00:13:09.519And his mother's calling.
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00:13:10.799Right?
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00:13:11.519Okay.
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00:13:16.879This time she leaves a message, and then like there's a voice to text on it.
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00:13:18.559Now we play all of it.
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00:13:20.320We get all like I get chills when I think about it.
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00:13:22.080Because I don't know, I don't understand.
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00:13:26.720And we tell the audience, like, listen, the text doesn't match the voice, right?
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00:13:28.399So the voice to text is off.
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00:13:29.519We tell them that.
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00:13:32.080And then there was there's a professor, his name's Dr.
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00:13:32.879Callum Cooper.
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00:13:35.519He wrote a book, Telephone Calls from the Grave or From the Dead.
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00:13:39.200Uh, we had he's a British guy, you know, who studied this stuff, did a whole thing on it.
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00:13:42.240We brought him on the show, we played the tape, we did a whole thing, really dive into it.
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00:13:43.759So it's it's it's really wild.
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00:13:50.240But to me, that is, I don't know what is I don't know how that happens.
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00:13:52.240I don't know how that happens.
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00:13:53.840And why is it happening?
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00:13:56.480There's we could come up with all the reasons why this happens, right?
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00:13:59.519The c there's a glitch in the cloud, it ATT, all this stuff.
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00:14:01.840Okay, why did the app say mom's on the phone?
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00:14:03.039Why is it happening to Brian?
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00:14:04.960Why is it happening with John in this place?
00:14:04.960 -->
00:14:09.600There's too many coincidences in a row to not think something might be up.
00:14:09.840 -->
00:14:10.159Yeah.
00:14:10.559 -->
00:14:11.600That's spectral.
00:14:11.600 -->
00:14:12.559Well, you know what I mean?
00:14:12.559 -->
00:14:13.200Yeah.
00:14:13.279 -->
00:14:27.360So well, like what you just described, like, you know, like you said, it, you know, whether it was coincidence or what was happening, like that series of events you just described, like, I understand what you're saying, and I understand why like that would be interpreted as paranormal.
00:14:27.360 -->
00:14:28.000And maybe it is.
00:14:28.000 -->
00:14:29.200Like, I wasn't there, I don't know.
00:14:29.200 -->
00:14:33.200And that's why I'm very careful when I say like I think spirit boxes are crap.
00:14:33.200 -->
00:14:36.799I I'm making it clear that is literally just based on my experience with them.
00:14:36.799 -->
00:14:40.159I'm not saying that they're literally crap.
00:14:40.159 -->
00:14:48.320Um, because a lot of times I just get so my issue with them is that you know, I've used spirit boxes a lot, especially when I'm around other people.
00:14:48.320 -->
00:14:54.559And when you're around a lot of people, a lot of those responses are open to interpretation, like an audio paradoia, right?
00:14:54.559 -->
00:14:55.120Oh my god.
00:14:55.279 -->
00:14:58.480And the amount of that's one of my favorite words you just said.
00:14:58.480 -->
00:15:00.080Audio paranoia.
00:15:00.320 -->
00:15:08.080Yeah, and and and for me, it's like, okay, if this if this tool is gonna be taken seriously, like almost it's it's almost like you need to go through some training or something.
00:15:08.080 -->
00:15:24.320Like you can't just like take this box, turn it on, go into a haunted location, and every blip and blop, you know, like, oh, I think it's a this, I think it's a that, you know, use by itself and then deter to determine spectral activity, nor should you use a REM pod by itself or an EMF view by itself or any of that shit.
00:15:24.399 -->
00:15:29.360Yeah, uh, we did a we did a group estus uh method test, right?
00:15:29.360 -->
00:15:33.039Where we took so we we did a partnership with silent activations.
00:15:33.039 -->
00:15:34.720They sent us, you know, like silent discos.
00:15:34.720 -->
00:15:39.840So they sent us a bunch of those headphones and we put them on like we had like 20 people, but then 10 got scared.
00:15:39.840 -->
00:15:48.320So they only had like 10 people, and then we ran the spirit box through that for that for them to like to hear we would ask questions and hear them all get, dude.
00:15:48.320 -->
00:15:52.240It's so for the most part, everyone always hears their own name.
00:15:52.240 -->
00:15:54.559Yep, always hears their own name, right?
00:15:54.559 -->
00:16:00.960They'll always hear depending on how friendly and how close they are to John, they hear John's name, right?
00:16:00.960 -->
00:16:14.080And what's but but those few times when there's direct back and forth and unison of 10 people was wild.
00:16:14.080 -->
00:16:18.639And it's like that to me, that's the oh okay.
00:16:18.639 -->
00:16:22.080Like when my wife remember when my wife got up and went to the back.
00:16:22.080 -->
00:16:23.759That was so strange.
00:16:23.759 -->
00:16:27.519Yeah, like everyone, the whole room goes, fuck you, Lisa.
00:16:27.519 -->
00:16:31.919Right, right when my wife's name is Lisa, right when she, yeah, right when she gets up to leave.
00:16:31.919 -->
00:16:34.399And 10 people say it's just strange, dude.
00:16:34.399 -->
00:16:41.600So you know that that's where those those moments in if you use them with other things, yeah, right?
00:16:42.720 -->
00:16:44.799Well, that's the that's the thing with spirit boxes.
00:16:44.799 -->
00:16:46.799You know, let's go back to audio paragolia.
00:16:46.799 -->
00:16:48.320That's not the only problem with them.
00:16:48.320 -->
00:16:59.360The other problem is the is the assumptions, is people assuming the amount of people that assume what they're hearing is for them.
00:16:59.360 -->
00:17:06.000It's it's you know how hard it is, and this isn't me making fun of my community or my chat or anything like that.
00:17:06.000 -->
00:17:15.519But you know how hard it is to explain to a grown-ass adult that there are multiple people named Margaret in the world, and there are multiple people.
00:17:15.519 -->
00:17:19.359Oh, and and by the way, we'll Yeah, but no, but that that that's it.
00:17:19.359 -->
00:17:24.880The amount of assumptions and the and the assuming, and and I tell people, I'm like, guys, everybody calm down.
00:17:24.880 -->
00:17:26.640Stop assuming it's this.
00:17:26.640 -->
00:17:30.079Like you know, I'll give you another prime example of spirit communication.
00:17:30.079 -->
00:17:33.519If all of a sudden we hear the name Jack, right?
00:17:33.519 -->
00:17:36.000Jack comes through.
00:17:36.000 -->
00:17:46.48099.9% of people who are communicating with spirits, when they hear that name Jack, they are going to act like it's actually Jack speaking.
00:17:46.480 -->
00:17:52.319Which makes no sense because I'm sorry, but when I enter a room, I don't go.
00:17:54.319 -->
00:17:54.960Right.
00:17:54.960 -->
00:17:57.039Well, why not?
00:17:57.039 -->
00:17:58.880First of all, why why don't you do it?
00:17:58.880 -->
00:17:59.440I mean, come on.
00:17:59.440 -->
00:18:00.079That's not true.
00:18:00.400 -->
00:18:02.400Maybe I should maybe I should start doing it, right?
00:18:02.400 -->
00:18:02.640Right.
00:18:02.640 -->
00:18:07.440Every time I walk into a room, a supermarket, you know, a bar, he's yellow my name.
00:18:07.440 -->
00:18:09.680Love and lady douchebag.
00:18:09.680 -->
00:18:09.920Right.
00:18:09.920 -->
00:18:10.880Yeah, yeah.
00:18:10.880 -->
00:18:11.440Right?
00:18:11.440 -->
00:18:13.680So it's it's it's crazy.
00:18:13.680 -->
00:18:22.400It's like, okay, if this name is being said, what are the chances that it's another spirit actually saying somebody else's name?
00:18:22.400 -->
00:18:24.480I mean, I guess it's possible, right?
00:18:24.480 -->
00:18:32.400Like it's more, it's more probable that it's a spirit actually doing that rather than announcing themselves.
00:18:32.400 -->
00:18:38.960Right now, if they say I'm Jack or hello, my name is Jack, completely different.
00:18:38.960 -->
00:18:45.680There's the, you know, there's the clarification we needed to know that Jack is trying to communicate with us.
00:18:45.680 -->
00:18:48.319But if they just yell out a name, right?
00:18:48.319 -->
00:18:54.640You know, that's it, it just makes no sense that people automatically assume that that's what's happening.
00:18:54.640 -->
00:18:56.400And there's a lot of things like that.
00:18:56.400 -->
00:18:58.000There's a lot of things like that.
00:18:58.000 -->
00:19:00.720I also can't stand one-word responses.
00:19:00.720 -->
00:19:10.720I I I if all of a sudden choke, and then oh, oh, they they must have gotten choked, and they must have gotten murdered, oh, they must have been suffocating.
00:19:10.720 -->
00:19:16.079It's like, wow, that those are you're you're building a lot of things from one word.
00:19:16.319 -->
00:19:17.599Yeah, that's a big jump.
00:19:17.599 -->
00:19:20.799Um, the the apps do that too.
00:19:20.799 -->
00:19:24.559Like, you know, not just like the SV7s or whatever, but like so.
00:19:24.559 -->
00:19:29.039I'm gonna come out and say, I hate all ghost hunting apps.
00:19:29.039 -->
00:19:34.559Okay, like and by the way, I haven't tested them all, you know, just kind of like with the with the spirit box.
00:19:34.559 -->
00:19:35.519Like, my comment isn't a blanket.
00:19:38.240 -->
00:19:38.960I use them all.
00:19:38.960 -->
00:19:40.240That's why I can say that.
00:19:40.240 -->
00:19:43.039I use them all, and sometimes I use them together, right?
00:19:43.200 -->
00:19:44.960So if you use one, you use them all.
00:19:44.960 -->
00:19:45.359Yeah.
00:19:45.359 -->
00:19:51.920Um well, my problem with them, because my my real job, I'm actually a software engineer, even though I own this company and everything else.
00:19:51.920 -->
00:19:56.079Like I so I know how to build these things like very, very well.
00:19:56.079 -->
00:20:03.359And you know, I've never went and dissected any of these apps or anything, but sometimes when we've tried them in the past, I'm like, you know, you're talking about coincidences.
00:20:03.359 -->
00:20:05.519I'm like, okay, that's way too coincidental.
00:20:05.519 -->
00:20:16.960Like you were talking about the, you know, talking about names, and all of a sudden the the app starts repeating a name that you've been saying, or or there's some context that that is just it, it just seems like too much of a coincidence.
00:20:16.960 -->
00:20:22.880And I also know how easy it would be to add a couple lines of code in there that nobody would notice unless they know what they're looking for.
00:20:22.880 -->
00:20:28.240And all of a sudden, that app is literally just listening to you talk and essentially reinforcing what you're saying.
00:20:28.480 -->
00:20:29.599Reinforcing what you're saying.
00:20:29.599 -->
00:20:35.200And it doesn't, and the codes do it in such a way where they they don't do it all the time.
00:20:35.200 -->
00:20:39.920So it gives it the illusion that something is responding back to you.
00:20:39.920 -->
00:20:54.160And and that goes back to what you said that people should be actually be trained on how to use these devices because people just don't can't understand why I don't say the names of spirits when I'm on location.
00:20:54.400 -->
00:20:56.559You mean watching a TV show isn't enough training?
00:20:56.559 -->
00:20:57.839I watched them do it on TV.
00:20:57.839 -->
00:20:59.359I should be an expert on this thing.
00:20:59.599 -->
00:21:01.039Come on, you're an expert now.
00:21:01.759 -->
00:21:13.119But you're you're talking when you talk about TV versus what I'm finding when I've these interviews that I've been doing with people, right, is this there is a generational divide in all things, right?
00:21:13.119 -->
00:21:18.559There is very much I one guy that I love, John knows we interviewed this guy, Steve Parsons, right?
00:21:18.559 -->
00:21:21.599He wrote a book, um, ghostology, and I loved his book.
00:21:21.599 -->
00:21:22.640And he just talks about everything.
00:21:22.640 -->
00:21:25.440He's like, listen, man, this is what an EMF meter does.
00:21:25.440 -->
00:21:29.119It doesn't find ghosts, it detects electromagnetic fields.
00:21:29.119 -->
00:21:31.440Like, you know, this is how a camera sees.
00:21:31.440 -->
00:21:33.039This is not your eye, right?
00:21:33.039 -->
00:21:40.559So and he and he and he talked about for me, he talked about he's like, Yeah, when I go on investigations now, because of what he hates the TV guys, right?
00:21:40.559 -->
00:21:40.799Right?
00:21:40.799 -->
00:21:45.839He's like, when I go on investigations now, everyone expects me to roll up in a van filled with pelican cases full of gear.
00:21:45.839 -->
00:21:51.759And I'm like, you should have some, just have empty cases just so they don't have to fight to have that fight anymore, just make it up.
00:21:51.759 -->
00:21:56.960You know, so he's dealing with that, and like you were talking about the young guys on YouTube, right?
00:21:56.960 -->
00:21:59.279Like, I don't knock those young guys on YouTube at all.
00:21:59.279 -->
00:22:02.960It's like It's keeping the genre alive.
00:22:02.960 -->
00:22:05.759They do like you get you had you had Jake Bruce on.
00:22:05.759 -->
00:22:06.799We had him on too.
00:22:06.799 -->
00:22:07.839I love that guy.
00:22:07.839 -->
00:22:13.920What him and his brother does when I see their feed come on and they just yell and they play music, I laugh my ass off.
00:22:13.920 -->
00:22:14.880I think it's great.
00:22:14.880 -->
00:22:21.920And then Jake, though, Jake will do these long-form investigative shows that I would put against any show on television.
00:22:21.920 -->
00:22:23.839He is a hell of a young producer.
00:22:23.839 -->
00:22:26.319He knows exactly how to make those shows.
00:22:26.319 -->
00:22:26.640Yeah.
00:22:26.640 -->
00:22:27.920They are so good.
00:22:27.920 -->
00:22:32.960So he's he's working both sides because that's the medium that he's growing up with, right?
00:22:32.960 -->
00:22:34.319I don't think that's a negative.
00:22:34.559 -->
00:22:35.599No, I don't think so either.
00:22:35.599 -->
00:22:43.680Because at the end of the day, they're actually smart in what they're doing because they understand how to get attention, which at the end of the day is what we're all trying to do, right?
00:22:43.680 -->
00:22:47.440When we put out anything, we're hoping somebody pays attention to what we're doing.
00:22:47.440 -->
00:22:52.559And they've been they they've gotten very good at the whole attention side of this.
00:22:52.559 -->
00:22:55.119Uh yeah, so I don't have a problem with what they're doing.
00:22:55.119 -->
00:23:02.160I mean, Jake was a I've watched a couple of his things and he seemed he was not one of the people I was referring to when I was talking about people running around hyperventiling in the in the paper.
00:23:02.559 -->
00:23:06.400I get it, I know, I know you're you're not painting anybody in specific with that brush for sure.
00:23:06.400 -->
00:23:09.039But look, I've had people I've had guests turn me down.
00:23:09.039 -->
00:23:13.519People in the I would call them, I guess I would call it legacy paranormal media.
00:23:13.519 -->
00:23:13.839Okay.
00:23:13.839 -->
00:23:20.720Turn us down because they go, Well, I don't investigate the way John does, so this is not a good like they just look down on him.
00:23:20.720 -->
00:23:23.359And I'm like, well, that's the one, that's the whole point of our show.
00:23:23.359 -->
00:23:24.960So, but it doesn't matter.
00:23:24.960 -->
00:23:29.680Or maybe that's the maybe that's their nice way of thinking that John and I are total assholes.
00:23:29.680 -->
00:23:30.079I don't know.
00:23:30.079 -->
00:23:33.839I can't speak to why they but that's the reason they gave me for turning us down.
00:23:33.839 -->
00:23:38.960Um, and it happens, you know, and it's just it's such a weird look, man.
00:23:38.960 -->
00:23:39.920You know, it's the same.
00:23:39.920 -->
00:23:45.119We've had skeptics on the show, hardcore skeptics that don't believe in any of it.
00:23:45.119 -->
00:23:56.240And even, you know, and they're wonderful to talk to to get that impression of why they don't believe, even though they go out on hunts, yeah, you know, like some of them want to believe, but they're fighting it.
00:23:56.240 -->
00:23:57.599I can't wait to themselves.
00:23:57.920 -->
00:23:58.880That's how I am with religion.
00:23:58.880 -->
00:24:01.759Like, I want to believe that there's a god up there, I just can't get there yet.
00:24:01.759 -->
00:24:06.400Um, you know, like maybe at some point um you're talking to a race.
00:24:06.880 -->
00:24:07.519I would pose this question.
00:24:07.519 -->
00:24:12.640I would we are both uh I would pose this question too, which I pose to the skeptics.
00:24:12.640 -->
00:24:14.880Okay, recovering Catholics unite.
00:24:14.880 -->
00:24:22.559Yeah, they sort of the obvious thing with with skeptics is you know, what is the criteria?
00:24:22.559 -->
00:24:23.680This is my problem with them.
00:24:23.680 -->
00:24:24.000Sure.
00:24:24.000 -->
00:24:26.000What is your criteria for belief?
00:24:26.000 -->
00:24:27.279You don't, you know what I mean?
00:24:27.279 -->
00:24:33.039It's if we're if we're the medical community, will do like a 10,000, you know, they'll do a peer review study, right?
00:24:33.039 -->
00:24:41.680They'll do reports, they'll test, they'll placebos, they'll do it, they'll write up a report, they'll send it halfway around the world, a doctor in the in in in an Indonesia will read it and go, Oh, I guess this is the way.
00:24:41.680 -->
00:24:41.839Right.
00:24:41.839 -->
00:24:42.640But believe it.
00:24:42.640 -->
00:24:43.680There's a set, you know what I mean?
00:24:43.680 -->
00:24:46.480There's a set of criteria that they will do.
00:24:46.480 -->
00:24:49.279What does it take for you to believe?
00:24:49.279 -->
00:24:52.000And they can't, not a single one could give me a clear answer.
00:24:52.000 -->
00:24:54.160It's more, it's like, I have to see it to believe it.
00:24:54.160 -->
00:24:56.640And it's like, well, I can't, you know, what do you want me to do?
00:24:56.640 -->
00:25:08.240And even if they see it, what it has to be some cinematic event, like you know, the fucking lights, uh a clock flying around the room, like something has to happen that's so grand, so it's impossible, right?
00:25:08.240 -->
00:25:10.079That they just don't want they're fighting it.
00:25:10.079 -->
00:25:15.119And I put that to anyone, it's like, if you're gonna believe in religion, you want to believe what what criteria would you need?
00:25:15.119 -->
00:25:16.400I think you have to cut, you know.
00:25:16.640 -->
00:25:18.880Well, I think like with the religion, it's a lot of faith, right?
00:25:18.880 -->
00:25:22.000Like, you know, um, I just don't have faith in anything.
00:25:22.000 -->
00:25:23.200That's my biggest problem.
00:25:23.200 -->
00:25:33.039Um, like uh no, I I I well, the skeptic side of it, like one, it's unfortunate that people are shooting you down just because they don't investigate the way John does, or you know, you do.
00:25:33.039 -->
00:25:34.799I'm talking about you like you're not in the room.
00:25:34.799 -->
00:25:50.079Um, you know, but because I mean part of this is so one of the things that's always bugged me a little bit, and I'm and I'm not gonna turn this into like uh what bugs us about the paranormal world episode, but it's like everybody thinks they're a fucking expert.
00:25:50.079 -->
00:25:56.640It's like like all these people, like it's easy, it's either it's either you're doing it my way or you're doing it the wrong way.
00:25:56.640 -->
00:25:58.240And that's way too many people's attitude.
00:25:58.240 -->
00:26:04.400And then what's frustrated me about that, you know, there there are a lot of people that that, in my opinion, do this the right way.
00:26:04.400 -->
00:26:10.240But in my opinion, doing it the right way is just be open to it, you know, and and find your way of doing it.
00:26:10.240 -->
00:26:12.000Because I don't think there's a right way and a wrong way.
00:26:12.000 -->
00:26:14.880I think it's just, you know, there there's probably different ways that work.
00:26:14.880 -->
00:26:17.839Uh, and maybe one way works better for you than for others.
00:26:17.839 -->
00:26:27.759Like, you know, like John, for example, like you have your way of doing this, you know, going about, you know, interacting with the the ghosts or spirits or whatever we're calling them, and uh that works for you.
00:26:27.759 -->
00:26:34.960But maybe throwing you into a haunted location with night vision cameras and all this other shit that everybody uses, maybe you that doesn't work for you.
00:26:34.960 -->
00:26:35.519You know what I mean?
00:26:35.599 -->
00:26:38.799Yeah, like it works for me for about 45 minutes until I get bored.
00:26:38.880 -->
00:26:39.839Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:26:39.839 -->
00:26:44.160Like so, but there there is this attitude, and and I and I hope it changed.
00:26:44.160 -->
00:26:46.960Maybe it is slowly that you know it all listen, it depends.
00:26:47.039 -->
00:26:48.960I I find it depends who you deal with, of course.
00:26:48.960 -->
00:26:54.720Because you're you're dealing with there's a couple things I've noticed in the little over year I've been interviewing people, right?
00:26:54.720 -->
00:27:04.400One, if a child asks you a question on how you do something, you're gonna tell them, you're gonna explain it very, you know, most unless you're an asshole, you're gonna explain how you do something to a kid.
00:27:04.400 -->
00:27:09.440When an adult asks you how you do something, I find most other adults get their guard up right away.
00:27:09.440 -->
00:27:12.000Like, why are you questioning my authorita?
00:27:12.000 -->
00:27:18.480You know, where it's like I'm trying to ask you legitimately because I'm curious, but you think I'm you you think I'm gonna dunk on you, right?
00:27:18.480 -->
00:27:31.279And that is which I'm not, but that especially holds true for a um a business of paranormal, where we're in a business that there's no falsification methodology.
00:27:31.279 -->
00:27:39.839So there it we're dealing with people's belief systems, sure, totally, and their belief systems are strengthened on whatever it is that they're walking in the room with, right?
00:27:39.839 -->
00:27:44.079So that is the to me, like that's the hardest thing.
00:27:44.079 -->
00:27:45.599Like, this is what it is.
00:27:45.599 -->
00:27:52.559I don't I don't know if it's expertise that they think they're an expert, or it's just there's it's it, you know, we don't want to talk about politics, but it's the same thing.
00:27:52.559 -->
00:27:57.359They have a belief system, and that belief system cannot be questioned, right?
00:27:57.359 -->
00:28:00.559For some it's real and it's based in it's grounded in religion.
00:28:00.559 -->
00:28:03.119For others, it's grounded in you know, in science.
00:28:03.119 -->
00:28:07.599Look, I talked to uh I I have an interview coming out with uh John Cruz.
00:28:07.599 -->
00:28:11.039He runs the Ryan Research Institute, you're sure you know, Ryan Research Institute.
00:28:11.039 -->
00:28:12.000Amazing.
00:28:12.000 -->
00:28:22.799One of the things that so many of these of the a lot of the older gentlemen that have been doing this for years, like Lloyd Auerbach, John, all these guys, there's no spirits at cemeteries, right?
00:28:22.799 -->
00:28:26.559Like they all will say this, that there's no spirits at cemeteries.
00:28:26.559 -->
00:28:49.279And I said I posed the question to John, I go, Well, you know, it's not like we're saying there's spirits at cemeteries, but if a medium is at if a if you're sitting down with a medium, if you believe in that and they can call a spirit to them, why is it so out of the realm of possibility that when John's walking a cemetery, he's maybe more intuitive or whatever, they're coming to him then because that's where the energy is.
00:28:49.279 -->
00:28:53.839If you know, for whatever reason, why isn't who's saying they're just sitting there waiting for somebody to show up?
00:28:53.839 -->
00:28:54.400Is my point.
00:28:54.400 -->
00:28:57.920Well, my my looked at me and he goes, That's absolutely right.
00:28:57.920 -->
00:28:59.200That's that's total possible.
00:28:59.200 -->
00:29:02.559You know, he's a person who thinks like you know, he can be changed, right?
00:29:02.720 -->
00:29:04.799Well, that's what I was gonna, that's what I was getting ready to say.
00:29:04.799 -->
00:29:13.359The other explanation is that they're just wrong, you know, like you know, like um like ghosts, the ghosts don't hang out in cemeteries.
00:29:13.359 -->
00:29:16.160Um, you know, well, maybe you're just wrong.
00:29:16.160 -->
00:29:18.640Like maybe it's just that simple, you know.
00:29:18.640 -->
00:29:21.680And uh I actually don't think they hang out anywhere.
00:29:21.680 -->
00:29:26.240I have a slightly unpopular opinion about what ghosts are.
00:29:26.319 -->
00:29:27.200I what is it?
00:29:27.200 -->
00:29:27.839So do I.
00:29:27.839 -->
00:29:29.200Like wait, wait, oh well.
00:29:29.200 -->
00:29:30.400Oh, should we save this?
00:29:30.400 -->
00:29:30.960Should we save this?
00:29:30.960 -->
00:29:32.400That's my question.
00:29:32.400 -->
00:29:32.960That's my question.
00:29:32.960 -->
00:29:35.440Should we save this for splinter spirits for tonight?
00:29:35.680 -->
00:29:37.119Okay, yeah, we'll save it for tonight.
00:29:37.279 -->
00:29:38.799Yeah, um, but I'd love to hear it.
00:29:38.799 -->
00:29:39.599I'd love to hear it.
00:29:39.599 -->
00:29:40.720I'm very very curious.
00:29:40.960 -->
00:29:46.960Well, in a nutshell, without going into any real detail, I don't think ghosts are what we think they are at all.
00:29:46.960 -->
00:29:53.440Um I think we're interacting with streams of consciousness.
00:29:53.440 -->
00:29:55.359Like John.
00:29:55.920 -->
00:29:59.279Like this is this is where my head is.
00:29:59.279 -->
00:30:07.920Yeah, and we're in the same, we're in a very consciousness, is a very I think it's yeah, I I'm with you on this in a lot of ways.
00:30:07.920 -->
00:30:10.400So I'm looking forward to dive deeper into that.
00:30:10.400 -->
00:30:11.119Yeah, we'll dive in.
00:30:11.279 -->
00:30:11.680Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:11.680 -->
00:30:12.240It's gonna be good.
00:30:12.400 -->
00:30:14.160Yeah, well, we'll yeah, we'll we'll talk about it later.
00:30:14.160 -->
00:30:17.759But it is frustrating sometimes when I when I bring that up and people look at me like I'm a crazy person.
00:30:17.759 -->
00:30:19.759I'm like, well, one, I'm not claiming to be right.
00:30:19.759 -->
00:30:20.720Like, I don't know.
00:30:20.720 -->
00:30:21.039Right.
00:30:21.039 -->
00:30:22.799It just that that's what makes sense for me.
00:30:22.960 -->
00:30:25.759So why why we live in an age where logic is crazy?
00:30:25.759 -->
00:30:29.200Because there's a logical, that's a logical theory.
00:30:29.200 -->
00:30:32.240Well, you know, that's not it's not far-fetched.
00:30:32.400 -->
00:30:50.400It's well, the other part of it that we have to keep always remind ourselves of is anytime you know we're having an interaction with somebody, you know, we're only part of that interaction, you know, and and it would be nice if everybody had a brain and um an IQ above at least like 80.
00:30:50.400 -->
00:30:52.640Um, but that's not reality.
00:30:52.880 -->
00:30:59.680You know, uh it's not and uh intelligence is a bell curve, and most people are average.
00:31:00.640 -->
00:31:14.160Well, well, there's also the idea, you know, and I'm not claiming I actually don't have anybody in mind when I say this, but just the idea of you you if you're coming at it from a logical perspective and you're trying to convince somebody who is thinking illogically, you're never going to win.
00:31:14.400 -->
00:31:15.200You're never gonna do it.
00:31:15.440 -->
00:31:24.559Like, you know, especially, you know, like earlier we're talking about like belief systems and religion and um you know, even this paranormal thing, you know.
00:31:24.559 -->
00:31:27.680It it's like um shit, what was I gonna say?
00:31:27.680 -->
00:31:36.720It's it's like they become so defensive about it because they internalize these beliefs and think that it's actually part of who they are, therefore you're attacking them.
00:31:36.720 -->
00:31:40.319You're not trying to have a conversation with them, you're just you're attacking me.
00:31:40.319 -->
00:31:44.720Like, you know, and and I think that's that's something that's present in society as a whole.
00:31:44.720 -->
00:31:46.480Like we talked about like that a lot.
00:31:46.640 -->
00:31:49.839We do yeah, Tim, we did an interview with uh Chip Coffee.
00:31:49.839 -->
00:31:51.920It's probably it's our it's probably our most popular interview.
00:31:51.920 -->
00:31:54.079And he's obviously chip's been around.
00:31:54.079 -->
00:31:58.799The guy's great, great dude, real, like just just what you wanted from him, right?
00:31:58.799 -->
00:32:00.559Like, no holds barred, Sass.
00:32:00.559 -->
00:32:04.720But right out of the gate, people get mad at me, like in the chat.
00:32:04.720 -->
00:32:08.079So every 50 comments is what a dick I am.
00:32:08.079 -->
00:32:15.119But it's uh right out of the gate, he says something, you know, because I ask people like, what's your background, you know, like religious background, you get into it.
00:32:15.119 -->
00:32:20.240He's yeah, he's like, you know, uh, I'm a Christian, and he goes, you know, so I was raised Catholic.
00:32:20.240 -->
00:32:22.960I go, Oh, oh, you're a cat, John and I were raised Catholic too.
00:32:22.960 -->
00:32:25.279So it's like he goes, you know, so but that's a little different.
00:32:25.279 -->
00:32:26.240He goes, No, no, no.
00:32:26.240 -->
00:32:28.160He goes, Catholics and Christians are the same thing.
00:32:28.160 -->
00:32:29.440And I go, No, they're not.
00:32:29.440 -->
00:32:30.000Wow.
00:32:30.000 -->
00:32:32.640And that that immediately set us back.
00:32:32.640 -->
00:32:38.319You felt that you felt the app you felt the temperature in the room change, and I had to work to get it back.
00:32:38.319 -->
00:32:40.880But but like I love Chip, he was a great guest.
00:32:40.880 -->
00:32:42.480I hope we get him back on one day.
00:32:42.480 -->
00:32:44.079He's fucking wrong, right?
00:32:44.079 -->
00:32:45.519They're not the same.
00:32:45.519 -->
00:32:56.319All Catholics are Christians, but all Christians are not Catholics, not Catholics, completely different view of purgatory, of after it's just different, and it's like it's like whales and dolphins.
00:32:56.480 -->
00:32:58.799Every dolphin is a whale, but not every whale is a dolphin.
00:32:59.680 -->
00:33:04.319It just well, the big difference is that you cannot cannot stay.
00:33:04.319 -->
00:33:06.480That's the big difference, cannot change it, right?
00:33:06.799 -->
00:33:11.200I feel like I feel like I need to switch spots with Paul or Carter because I knew so.
00:33:11.200 -->
00:33:18.400Paul's a Catholic, which I think is great, and I just found out the other day Carter is also Catholic, which I did not know, but I think that's great as well.
00:33:18.400 -->
00:33:20.160And I and I mean that sincerely.
00:33:20.160 -->
00:33:25.920Um but like I feel like we need to like turn this into a better, like a debate.
00:33:26.640 -->
00:33:28.880Like like I'm a recovering Catholic.
00:33:30.000 -->
00:33:35.680These two guys are also Catholic because we're gonna get rid of being a Catholic, you're stuck with it, you're stuck with being a Catholic.
00:33:35.680 -->
00:33:37.279That's why I say I'm recovering Catholic.
00:33:37.279 -->
00:33:38.720You got the guilt for the rest of your life.
00:33:38.720 -->
00:33:39.839You guys are screwed either way.
00:33:39.839 -->
00:33:40.960You're gonna feel guilty by it.
00:33:43.519 -->
00:33:50.640I will say this, even though I do not practice Catholicism Catholicism anymore, I absolutely want the last rites but to live.
00:33:50.799 -->
00:33:50.960Right.
00:33:51.279 -->
00:33:53.039Because what is more metal than that?
00:33:53.039 -->
00:33:58.160Yeah, like um, I just say that, yeah, dude, I've had the last rights and be able to walk in kind of it.
00:33:58.160 -->
00:34:00.799I think that's so I still want that.
00:34:01.039 -->
00:34:08.559Well, you know, it it there is there is it the paranormal, like, it does kind of run into religion in a lot of different ways.
00:34:08.559 -->
00:34:20.800I mean, because one, there's there's a lot of people who think it that there's a religious explanation to everything that's happening, but two, it's like people hold on to their beliefs the same way a religious person would.
00:34:20.800 -->
00:34:29.280Like, I would totally expect that if I you know went to Paul or Carter and said there's no God, they're gonna be like, Well, there is, and and here's why, and then that's totally fine.
00:34:29.280 -->
00:34:31.679But spirits in the same way, yeah.
00:34:31.679 -->
00:34:41.519But if and I'm and I'm not going to because it's not my place, but if I ever tried to convince Paul or Carter that there is no God, I would imagine there would be a lot of pushback, as there should be, because those are their beliefs.
00:34:41.519 -->
00:34:53.519Um, but it's weird that paranormal people, people that are involved in the paranormal do paranormal investigations, they have that same reaction when you try to talk to them about anything or question them.
00:34:53.519 -->
00:34:55.440It's it's not like it's not like it's hard.
00:34:55.440 -->
00:35:00.480Yeah, it's not like uh, hey, let's sit down and have a conversation and compare thoughts and like see if there's middle ground.
00:35:00.480 -->
00:35:03.039You know, maybe you're right about some things, maybe I'm right about some things.
00:35:04.000 -->
00:35:11.199If I want to, if I want to shave off a hundred people off my live stream real easy, uh huh, all I have to do is mention that I'm an atheist.
00:35:11.360 -->
00:35:11.840Oh, yeah.
00:35:11.920 -->
00:35:12.079Yeah.
00:35:12.079 -->
00:35:13.199I've that's it.
00:35:13.199 -->
00:35:13.840That's it.
00:35:13.840 -->
00:35:22.800They don't even want to some people don't even want to hear anything after that, even if I'm there to respect not only their faith, but other people's.
00:35:22.800 -->
00:35:29.519Because that's one thing with my live streams that we say we leave religion out because we have people from all over.
00:35:29.519 -->
00:35:39.199Like if you go into my live chat, we have Muslims, Jews, atheists, agnostics, witches, pagans, all sorts of people.
00:35:39.199 -->
00:35:43.440Like the whole like coexist, like, no, it happens in my live chat.
00:35:43.440 -->
00:35:44.719And who are the loudest?
00:35:44.800 -->
00:35:46.159Who are the loudest persecutors?
00:35:46.159 -->
00:35:50.800Like some of those belief systems, I would understand my people would be like hardwired to protect them at all costs.
00:35:50.800 -->
00:35:52.000Like, and religion's one of them.
00:35:52.000 -->
00:35:58.800Like, even though if I'm not a religious person, I absolutely understand why somebody would defend that line, you know, if if that's what they truly believe.
00:35:58.800 -->
00:36:11.599The reason I'm bringing up, especially like you know, the politic part of it, it's like where did paranormal enter into that realm where like those beliefs are so sacred that they they can't be challenged anymore?
00:36:11.599 -->
00:36:15.519Or like I can't have a different opinion than you without you thinking that I'm an idiot.
00:36:15.599 -->
00:36:26.320And I don't literally mean you guys once once people had a voice, once people had a voice, once it moved away from legacy TV, yes, and it started, and that that's a hundred percent when it started.
00:36:26.559 -->
00:36:30.400The new media has because the look, I think that's it.
00:36:30.400 -->
00:36:34.960The truth is these the jobs are not there anymore, the TV shows aren't working.
00:36:34.960 -->
00:36:40.239Now everyone, the gateway to entry is it's there, isn't one, right?
00:36:40.239 -->
00:36:41.679Social media.
00:36:41.679 -->
00:36:46.000Social media is third form is the gateway to this business.
00:36:46.000 -->
00:36:50.159It's a lot of people really trying to hold on, right?
00:36:50.159 -->
00:36:55.440Like I was the authority, and now you got some kid coming in or kids, whatever.
00:36:55.440 -->
00:36:56.960You know, we're you I'm using the word kid.
00:36:56.960 -->
00:36:58.639We've they're not kids, you know, but you know what I mean.
00:36:58.639 -->
00:37:14.880And they're and that's that's what I believe it to be that this idea of wait a minute, I used to be running this shit for 20 years, and now this the they've got 14 million followers, like you're done, like you're just done, and now and anybody can do it.
00:37:14.880 -->
00:37:17.199I think that's really what it's about.
00:37:17.199 -->
00:37:32.400I have to hold on to this thing that I built or I'll in some way, and the only way that they can do it is by being curmudgeonly about it and by being anti-whatever it is, the new you're never taller than when you're standing on your friend's back, right?
00:37:32.400 -->
00:37:35.119I mean, so it's like it's that kind of thing that they're trying to do.
00:37:35.119 -->
00:37:35.679Yes.
00:37:35.679 -->
00:37:36.960And I don't think it's gonna work.
00:37:36.960 -->
00:37:38.159I just don't think it's gonna work.
00:37:38.159 -->
00:37:38.400Yeah.
00:37:38.559 -->
00:37:51.360Well, that's why, that's why, especially, you know, with with with my brand, Santa Paranormal, and with me and Gary's uh podcast, Flinching Spirits, we hold on to the tide rises all ships.
00:37:51.360 -->
00:37:51.920Yeah.
00:37:51.920 -->
00:37:54.000We are firm believers of that.
00:37:54.000 -->
00:37:59.760It doesn't matter whether if I have a viral video of me cleaning a headstone in the cemetery, right?
00:37:59.760 -->
00:38:04.639Or I'm in the woods and I get a viral video of you know, spirits trying to bring me into the woods.
00:38:04.639 -->
00:38:13.760Somebody can have an anti-Santa paranormal video that will start getting views because that video got views.
00:38:13.760 -->
00:38:19.119And then after they watch that, they'll see somebody else random, you know, in a haunted house.
00:38:19.119 -->
00:38:35.199You know, they might see a bunch of YouTube kids running around, or they might see a video that's very well produced and it all but regardless whether it's real, whether it's fake, whether it's anti-something, whether it's pro something, all the shifts rise up.
00:38:35.199 -->
00:38:43.920People fail to realize that in the paranormal because it's all about the gimme gimme, the pick me, and I'm right, you're wrong.
00:38:44.159 -->
00:38:44.559Yeah.
00:38:44.559 -->
00:38:47.920Well, I well, I think that makes it even more important what you're doing.
00:38:47.920 -->
00:38:55.280You know, like, you know, because you're kind of, I mean, you're not like literally giving everybody the middle finger, but you're essentially saying, like, I'm just gonna do my thing.
00:38:55.280 -->
00:38:58.079And like you can either be a part of that or you cannot.
00:38:58.079 -->
00:39:00.000Like, I then that's up to you.
00:39:00.159 -->
00:39:02.159I I and the truth is I value it.
00:39:02.159 -->
00:39:03.679I truly value it.
00:39:03.679 -->
00:39:09.039I really want to know uh your perspective on what you believe.
00:39:09.039 -->
00:39:14.960You've you've made a life choice here to do this, whether it's a hobby, this is a big part of your time.
00:39:14.960 -->
00:39:15.760Why do you do it?
00:39:15.760 -->
00:39:18.000I'm not I'm not judging you while you do it.
00:39:18.000 -->
00:39:20.559I want to hear, I want to see what how has this affected you.
00:39:20.559 -->
00:39:28.400Have you I've I've loved hearing some people say spirits of frequency, demons, this, because and how that what does that mean to you?
00:39:28.400 -->
00:39:34.480You know, somebody said you know, truth's answer was information, which I was like, you know, that was real.
00:39:34.480 -->
00:39:37.280We had a real deep conversation about was wonderful, you know.
00:39:37.280 -->
00:39:39.920It's that is the joy of this.
00:39:39.920 -->
00:39:43.039It's not a a gotcha moment, it's not a dunking.
00:39:43.039 -->
00:39:53.920It's explain to me why you've made this life choice because there it and that to me in and of itself holds a truth to the that there is paranormal.
00:39:53.920 -->
00:39:56.960How can so many people have an experience?
00:39:56.960 -->
00:39:59.119It's just about really narrowing it down, right?
00:39:59.119 -->
00:40:00.480So that's that's you're right, man.
00:40:00.480 -->
00:40:04.480I mean, that's the kind of the cool the fun of it for me and the curiosity around it.
00:40:04.480 -->
00:40:11.199John and I are doing, we worked with another um another uh professor, this guy, Professor Brian Lath.
00:40:11.199 -->
00:40:12.559Um, this is cool.
00:40:12.719 -->
00:40:13.199This is cool.
00:40:13.440 -->
00:40:15.280We're gonna we're gonna air his interview next week.
00:40:15.280 -->
00:40:22.639He if you I'm sure you know everybody there, but it's the direct for people who don't know the director, he does the the study of religious and anomalous experience, and we had him on.
00:40:22.639 -->
00:40:24.159He does this whole thing, right?
00:40:24.159 -->
00:40:25.760The haunted people syndrome.
00:40:25.760 -->
00:40:27.760Because you never in our world, right?
00:40:27.760 -->
00:40:31.840If someone's seen a ghost, they're not like, yeah, I saw a ghost once 20 years ago, never seen him since.
00:40:31.840 -->
00:40:36.159It's usually if they've if they've had experience, they are haunted people.
00:40:36.159 -->
00:40:38.159They this is something that's part of their lives.
00:40:38.159 -->
00:40:40.320We have we're worked with him.
00:40:40.320 -->
00:40:46.239We have a whole study and a survey that we put up, but it's on our website where we want to do a real thing.
00:40:46.239 -->
00:40:49.760Like, are you more he calls it transliminality?
00:40:49.760 -->
00:40:54.400Are you more susceptible to this, which is perfect for our brand?
00:40:54.400 -->
00:40:56.079Um, and everybody can take it.
00:40:56.079 -->
00:40:57.199You should go on and take it.
00:40:57.199 -->
00:40:58.079We encourage it.
00:40:58.079 -->
00:41:00.400It's right, splintered spirits.com slash survey.
00:41:00.400 -->
00:41:03.119And it's just this is we're not collecting data.
00:41:03.119 -->
00:41:06.800This is a real gonna be a peer-reviewed thing and a study that's gonna be written up.
00:41:06.960 -->
00:41:08.480How long does it take to do the survey?
00:41:08.719 -->
00:41:10.400Uh 10 minutes.
00:41:10.400 -->
00:41:10.880It's really quick.
00:41:11.119 -->
00:41:12.159One of you guys want to do the survey.
00:41:12.159 -->
00:41:12.559What was it?
00:41:12.559 -->
00:41:13.440Splintered Spirits.
00:41:13.840 -->
00:41:16.559If you go to splintered spirits.com slash survey.
00:41:16.559 -->
00:41:16.880Yeah.
00:41:16.880 -->
00:41:18.960And it's uh it's right up there.
00:41:18.960 -->
00:41:21.840It's a it's an we call it the Are You a Ghost Magnet survey, right?
00:41:21.840 -->
00:41:25.599It's it's to test your for haunted people syndrome, transluminality.
00:41:25.599 -->
00:41:32.880You can do it, it'll give you sort of like your rating of where you are based on what Brian has been working on for many years in this study.
00:41:32.880 -->
00:41:35.360Um, but that's the kind of shit that we love.
00:41:35.360 -->
00:41:36.239Yeah, we want to know.
00:41:37.760 -->
00:41:38.800Where's your head at?
00:41:38.800 -->
00:41:40.320You know, yeah.
00:41:40.320 -->
00:41:41.760Uh so who's gonna do it?
00:41:41.760 -->
00:41:42.880Is it you, Carter?
00:41:42.880 -->
00:41:44.320All right, that should all do.
00:41:44.320 -->
00:41:47.599Yeah, well, we're gonna do it, but like he's gonna do it like right now.
00:41:47.760 -->
00:41:48.880Oh, he's gonna do it right now.
00:41:48.880 -->
00:41:49.679Oh, awesome.
00:41:50.000 -->
00:41:54.559Yeah, because we're gonna we're gonna see how haunted uh uh Carter is.
00:41:54.559 -->
00:41:55.519Awesome.
00:41:55.519 -->
00:41:59.679Carter, like you keep doing that with your fingers, they'll like always get ready to say something.
00:41:59.679 -->
00:42:01.679And like he doesn't like, I don't know.
00:42:01.679 -->
00:42:03.840Um yeah, I'll let I'll let you know the results.
00:42:03.840 -->
00:42:04.559All right, cool.
00:42:04.559 -->
00:42:05.920We're gonna we're gonna find this out.
00:42:05.920 -->
00:42:08.800You guys can't see him now, but you'll see it in the final podcast.
00:42:08.800 -->
00:42:10.639But um sweet.
00:42:10.639 -->
00:42:15.199So, you know, well, let's get to the the let's get to some juicy stuff.
00:42:15.199 -->
00:42:19.920You know, we we've talked a lot about you know, um paranoid community.
00:42:19.920 -->
00:42:24.639You know, you guys said, hey, Tim, save that question for for the podcast later.
00:42:24.639 -->
00:42:29.280So I want to actually ask, since this is my podcast, I'm gonna ask you guys that question now.
00:42:29.280 -->
00:42:37.199Like, so so knowing that you know we're probably all wrong, um what do you guys think ghosts are?
00:42:37.199 -->
00:42:48.400Like what you know, especially, you know, you John, you're out there kind of interacting with them often, you know, and and I'm sure you've developed, you know, maybe a framework for for your beliefs for for what these what this phenomena is.
00:42:48.400 -->
00:42:49.440Well, what is it?
00:42:49.679 -->
00:42:52.639So there's uh so I have I have two theories, right?
00:42:52.639 -->
00:42:54.000I have two theories.
00:42:54.000 -->
00:42:57.760The first one is that we are dealing with memory.
00:42:57.760 -->
00:42:58.320Okay.
00:42:58.320 -->
00:42:59.440We are dealing with memory.
00:42:59.440 -->
00:43:03.519Memory can't be created or destroyed, only transferred by energy, energy.
00:43:03.519 -->
00:43:05.199Yeah, energy, which is memory.
00:43:05.199 -->
00:43:12.320We we are just starting to crack the possibility of where memory is stored.
00:43:12.320 -->
00:43:14.719We're realizing a lot of things with the brains.
00:43:14.719 -->
00:43:23.280Even some things have recently come out, uh, where they you know they talk about, hey, we might have figured out how some of this is happening.
00:43:23.280 -->
00:43:30.000But regardless, to say that when we die, it just goes to black, that's what most atheists believe.
00:43:30.000 -->
00:43:35.360We we return back to when we were born, you know, nothing before we were born, nothing.
00:43:35.360 -->
00:43:39.840Um, I I can't see that it doesn't make logically that doesn't make sense.
00:43:39.840 -->
00:43:41.599We have to go somewhere.
00:43:41.599 -->
00:43:48.239And if we have we have no meat sack to contain said memories, where are they going?
00:43:48.239 -->
00:43:59.440Well, I believe that through some process, whether it's electron spinning and recording the data, the memory, or um some.
00:43:59.440 -->
00:44:06.480Other uh ethereal processes happening that we can get grades of spirits based off their memories.
00:44:06.480 -->
00:44:16.400So if you get a basic spirit that you really can't communicate with and seems kind of mindless, well, that spirit might just be one or two memories of itself.
00:44:16.400 -->
00:44:20.159Then you'll get one that's intelligent that can hold the conversation.
00:44:20.159 -->
00:44:26.719Well, that spirit might be a lot more memories together and maybe a little bit of consciousness sprinkled in there as well.
00:44:26.719 -->
00:44:41.679So I believe that either spirits are memory or the other is that we are creating them, that our minds are so damn powerful that we are and not topas, because topas are technically split versions of ourselves and all that.
00:44:41.679 -->
00:44:43.840The uh the other one, what is it, allegory?
00:44:43.840 -->
00:44:55.920So aggregorian, man, so that these yeah, so these things are uh uh in in nature, uh allegory or however it's pronounced.
00:44:55.920 -->
00:45:00.639So they're let's figure this out for the next 10 minutes, isn't it?
00:45:00.639 -->
00:45:01.840Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:01.840 -->
00:45:07.440So aggregorian in nature and or it's both.
00:45:07.440 -->
00:45:09.679Who says both things can't be true?
00:45:09.679 -->
00:45:19.199Where we are taking these memories or the stream consciousness and now giving it new purpose.
00:45:19.199 -->
00:45:24.480So it's either it's either one or the other, or both.
00:45:24.480 -->
00:45:28.559Yeah, it's a babe, it's a babe, but like you said, who knows?
00:45:28.559 -->
00:45:30.000I could be, I'm probably wrong.
00:45:30.000 -->
00:45:32.159I I think we're probably all probably right.
00:45:32.320 -->
00:45:38.239I mean, we're we're probably all partially right, but we're never gonna get the whole picture until like you know, it's our time.
00:45:38.400 -->
00:45:43.840And I believe, and and and Tim, I believe even when we die, we're not gonna get the full picture, dude.
00:45:43.840 -->
00:45:48.639Do you know how crazy it is when I hear people say, Oh, when you die, you'll get all the answers.
00:45:48.639 -->
00:45:49.199Right.
00:45:49.199 -->
00:45:54.960What who said maybe we said that's gonna happen.
00:45:55.199 -->
00:45:57.760Maybe when you die, you just figure out the right questions to ask.
00:45:57.760 -->
00:45:58.239I don't know.
00:45:58.400 -->
00:46:02.079Yeah, like yeah, yeah, you know, which develops even more questions later on.
00:46:02.239 -->
00:46:03.840Yeah, so that's very true.
00:46:03.840 -->
00:46:04.880So, Gary, what about you?
00:46:04.960 -->
00:46:09.119What do you think of what do you think of so I you know if you asked me two years ago, do you believe in ghosts?
00:46:09.119 -->
00:46:10.000I would have said no.
00:46:10.000 -->
00:46:10.400Okay.
00:46:10.400 -->
00:46:16.159And now, and now I would have to now I have to go, well, define ghosts, right?
00:46:16.159 -->
00:46:18.159Before I say, Well, what do you believe in?
00:46:18.159 -->
00:46:20.960You know, because that there's so many uh angles to it.
00:46:20.960 -->
00:46:25.199But I tend to lean to where you were going, Tim, with with consciousness.
00:46:25.199 -->
00:46:34.320And I've talked about this many times on our show and uh with John, because there are I look at intuition as something real.
00:46:34.320 -->
00:46:36.079I think intuition is real.
00:46:36.079 -->
00:46:42.320I, you know, from you can call it small, we've all been in a bar where someone walks in, we get a bad vibe off of somebody.
00:46:42.320 -->
00:46:55.519And I think that that intuition, um, that whatever, you know, flight or fight, that kind of thing is like like with athletes, a muscle that some people might have a higher tendency or strength to.
00:46:55.519 -->
00:46:59.840You can't teach a guy how to throw a baseball at 98 miles an hour, it just can't be taught.
00:46:59.840 -->
00:47:03.760You know, that is something that's a gift called, I don't know, you know, wherever it's from.
00:47:03.760 -->
00:47:06.639And I think that intuition is the same.
00:47:06.639 -->
00:47:08.079Some people have it higher one.
00:47:08.079 -->
00:47:11.840I personally believe John here has a higher wired up thing.
00:47:11.840 -->
00:47:17.039Whereas he might be, you want to call him a techno medium or something, those apps might be a joke.
00:47:17.039 -->
00:47:22.000They're a joke for me, but around him, he might be it might amplify whatever wire he's up in.
00:47:22.000 -->
00:47:24.239He is more in tune with what's going on.
00:47:24.239 -->
00:47:25.519And I think that's real.
00:47:25.519 -->
00:47:27.519But I also think that's from him.
00:47:27.519 -->
00:47:36.960I think that there is a real thing with consciousness and in and however that is manifested, you know, in terms of what is going on.
00:47:36.960 -->
00:47:39.039And a group consciousness can create.
00:47:39.039 -->
00:47:46.719We talked about this the most with um uh like about Sleepy Hollow, which is, you know, we're from Westchester County, you know, that's like so that's a part of town.
00:47:46.719 -->
00:48:03.519That sort of headless horseman thing that many have seen is now such a global consciousness creation that I think it's totally possible that that you know, that that whatever is happening is collected.
00:48:03.519 -->
00:48:07.599And there is energy in the brain, there is electricity.
00:48:07.599 -->
00:48:08.400These are facts.
00:48:08.400 -->
00:48:11.039I mean, that's not something that's not woo-woo.
00:48:11.039 -->
00:48:14.159Energy does create something.
00:48:14.159 -->
00:48:16.400I mean, that there is something there to it.
00:48:16.400 -->
00:48:31.199So I don't know what it is, but I do I I I don't I don't think a spirit is like my inner soul that just you know, I'm dead now, now I'm floating around, and now I'm gonna haunt you.
00:48:31.199 -->
00:48:45.599And I I and I I choose conscious because of like what that story that Lloyd Auerbach told, and he's told it to 100 people, but the one about the spectral sex tape, you know, like the guys, they left the the living left an imprint, you know, from crazy sex on his house.
00:48:45.599 -->
00:48:48.800And at three in the morning, this other family was experiencing it.
00:48:48.800 -->
00:48:52.880That to me speaks more to consciousness, leaving your energy somewhere.
00:48:52.880 -->
00:48:56.159Like these things are stuck there.
00:48:56.159 -->
00:49:00.400So yeah, I I guess that's where I lean now, right?
00:49:00.800 -->
00:49:05.039No, but it's it's really it's really interesting, Gary, because uh you you do bring up that example a lot.
00:49:05.039 -->
00:49:06.639It's a great example.
00:49:06.639 -->
00:49:15.280But going back to what I was talking about with the paranormal, how everything is always so like steadfast, this is what it is.
00:49:15.280 -->
00:49:19.440You know, that example, Lloyd believes that it's an imprint left by the living people.
00:49:19.440 -->
00:49:30.400Where I look at that situation and go, uh, well, another possibility is that all the sex they were having fed things that are there.
00:49:31.519 -->
00:49:36.400Yeah, I mean, you get maybe I mean, that's that is also true.
00:49:36.480 -->
00:49:44.559The fact, but you have to go, and for him, he literally the people who lived there before he dug deeper, went to the investigation, talked to them.
00:49:44.559 -->
00:49:52.639They they admitted to having sex at that time of night all the time, like got the data to sort of back up his theory on that instance.
00:49:52.639 -->
00:49:57.760That's on that other instances can speak to what you do, but you gotta go with what you got, right?
00:49:57.760 -->
00:49:58.559You know, yeah.
00:49:58.800 -->
00:50:10.639Well, I I I definitely think, you know, I mean, there there's aspects of things you both said that I that I think like to some degree, it's like, how can you argue with some of this stuff, you know, like because some of this is factual in nature.
00:50:10.639 -->
00:50:13.760Um, but then you then you try to you know go a little bit further with those.
00:50:13.760 -->
00:50:20.559So, you know, Gary, one of the things that you mentioned was like, you know, like maybe these things work for John, but they they they won't work for you, kind of thing.
00:50:20.559 -->
00:50:22.719Like I'm paraphrasing badly what you said.
00:50:22.719 -->
00:50:35.440Yeah, but like that's yeah, it's very but you know, one of the things I've often wondered about, you know, because you know, if we look at human beings, like if even if we just took like the last 5,000 years, you know, as time has gone on, we've become less spiritual in nature.
00:50:35.440 -->
00:50:37.920Um, we've become less religious in nature.
00:50:37.920 -->
00:50:39.440I mean, that's a fact too.
00:50:39.440 -->
00:50:47.760Um you know, 2,000 years ago, you know, people believed, I mean, spirits and ghosts, whatever we're calling these things, like they were almost a daily part of everybody's life.
00:50:47.760 -->
00:50:50.159You know, like they were having like interactions.
00:50:50.159 -->
00:51:07.039I mean, you can read about some of them in the Bible where like you could say, okay, well, that's somebody God sent down, but in my mind, I'm like, if this person's describing this, it almost sounds like they're describing a ghost, you know, like, but as time goes on, like we just don't have a need for those abilities anymore to be able to connect with the spirit realm.
00:51:07.039 -->
00:51:21.599Like, so it's almost like an evolution thing, where like, you know, 5,000 years ago, 4,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago, maybe because people were exercising that part of who we are as human beings, like those areas of our brain or or whatever were much more developed.
00:51:21.599 -->
00:51:26.320But as time goes on, we become less spiritual, less religious, all that stuff.
00:51:26.320 -->
00:51:33.440And like through like almost like an evolution that we can't see, we start to lose those abilities to connect with the spirit realm.
00:51:33.440 -->
00:51:36.800But maybe some people have retained some of that, you know, just like some people were.
00:51:37.199 -->
00:51:40.159But do you think it's do you think it's evolution or you think it's distraction?
00:51:40.159 -->
00:51:42.880I I mean it's more it could be both.
00:51:42.880 -->
00:51:48.000But I look at it as you know, one commonality of all these people, right?
00:51:48.000 -->
00:51:51.440They get into meditation, nighttime.
00:51:51.440 -->
00:51:52.559What is the difference?
00:51:52.559 -->
00:51:55.519You know, sleep when when things happen the most, right?
00:51:55.519 -->
00:52:00.320Going like when you're about to fall asleep, not what is the what is going on at those times?
00:52:00.320 -->
00:52:04.960Or rather, what's not going on when these things happen to get you in that state?
00:52:04.960 -->
00:52:12.239It's you're clearing your mind, you're getting rid of distraction, you're sort of trying to get in tune with whatever.
00:52:12.239 -->
00:52:13.599Why is that necessary?
00:52:13.599 -->
00:52:15.840Well, I definitely think distraction, right?
00:52:16.000 -->
00:52:18.639Well, I definitely think distraction plays a part in it for sure.
00:52:18.639 -->
00:52:26.079Um, you know, I'm not saying it's you know one or the other, but I do think people, some people are more in tuned than others.
00:52:26.639 -->
00:52:27.360I believe that 100%.
00:52:27.679 -->
00:52:29.119And then you're like, okay, well, where did I come from?
00:52:29.119 -->
00:52:39.599And that's where my mind just automatically starts thinking, like, well, maybe at one point human beings as in as a whole had a much better connection to this realm that we're always describing.
00:52:39.599 -->
00:52:45.119Um, but over time we just quit using that and therefore we can't do it as well every anymore.
00:52:45.119 -->
00:52:49.840But some people still retain that, just like some people are still born with a tail every now and then, right?
00:52:49.840 -->
00:52:52.000Even though evolution says we shouldn't have a tail.
00:52:52.000 -->
00:53:00.400Maybe some every once in a while somebody's born with like these enhanced abilities, like like not everybody in the tribe was a medicine man, though, right?
00:53:00.559 -->
00:53:00.880Right.
00:53:00.880 -->
00:53:01.920That's true.
00:53:01.920 -->
00:53:10.159Um so it's like there's certain people that are always gonna we're somewhat higher up in the in the in that realm for for things.
00:53:10.480 -->
00:53:11.599Touche, good point.
00:53:11.599 -->
00:53:17.360Uh you know, and then that's where like the distraction you're talking about might come into play because we all know that ghosts aren't just active at night.
00:53:17.360 -->
00:53:18.480Like that's not a real thing.
00:53:18.480 -->
00:53:19.679Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:53:19.679 -->
00:53:23.280You know, but that's when people tend to see them or or interact with them.
00:53:23.280 -->
00:53:29.679The seeing part I understand, you know, because during the day, it's it's really hard to see things that don't have a lot of energy.
00:53:29.679 -->
00:53:35.599You know, the way I always described is like take a candle out in the daytime, you know, you'll stand 20 feet away, you can't see the flame.
00:53:35.599 -->
00:53:38.559You take it out at night, you're gonna see that flame from five miles away.
00:53:38.559 -->
00:53:51.519And I've thought that kind of explains why people see more at night, simply just because it's dark and you know, it's a limited amount of energy that's trying to do whatever it's doing that in turn is visible to you.
00:53:51.519 -->
00:53:57.599Um, but EVP stuff like that, I mean the spirit box work, like you could go out, it it's no different if it's 3 p.m.
00:53:57.599 -->
00:53:58.239or 3 a.m.
00:53:58.239 -->
00:54:00.239It doesn't matter, you can get them at any time.
00:54:00.400 -->
00:54:04.000That is not I try to tell people that that there's no such thing as the witch in hour.
00:54:04.000 -->
00:54:04.719Yeah, there's not.
00:54:04.719 -->
00:54:07.599You know, what I say in what yeah, what time zone?
00:54:07.760 -->
00:54:10.400You know, that it's speaking of time zones.
00:54:10.400 -->
00:54:12.639And does it respect daylight savings?
00:54:12.639 -->
00:54:13.440Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:13.440 -->
00:54:14.880What about daylight savings?
00:54:14.880 -->
00:54:15.440Exactly.
00:54:15.440 -->
00:54:21.679You know, it's like the ghost that's like, oh shit, we forgot to set our hour clock, our our clock back in hours, so now we're doing at four.
00:54:21.920 -->
00:54:23.920Waiting for the waiting for the Senate to pass that through.
00:54:23.920 -->
00:54:25.599Daylight savings time is gonna be full time.
00:54:25.920 -->
00:54:27.039It's close, close.
00:54:27.039 -->
00:54:29.119I know, I know small victories, boys.
00:54:29.119 -->
00:54:30.000Small victories.
00:54:30.000 -->
00:54:31.599I don't know how I feel about that.
00:54:31.760 -->
00:54:34.079Like I spent 46 years on one system.
00:54:34.079 -->
00:54:36.960I'm not a big fan of change, but we'll see.
00:54:36.960 -->
00:54:38.559Did you get your test results done?
00:54:38.559 -->
00:54:39.519My results are in.
00:54:39.519 -->
00:54:40.320Oh, all right.
00:54:40.320 -->
00:54:42.800So Carter did the test, which is it.
00:54:42.800 -->
00:54:45.679Splintered spirits.com slash survey, right?
00:54:45.840 -->
00:54:46.079Yes.
00:54:46.159 -->
00:54:46.400Yep.
00:54:46.400 -->
00:54:48.159Okay, so Carter, what what did you get?
00:54:48.400 -->
00:54:50.400So it's got three kind of categories that it gives you.
00:54:50.400 -->
00:54:51.679And tell me from right here, boys.
00:54:51.679 -->
00:54:58.559Uh, haunted people syndrome screener, the trans liminality, and the survey of strange events.
00:54:58.559 -->
00:55:03.440Um, yes, my raw score for the haunted people syndrome screener was two.
00:55:03.440 -->
00:55:05.360Is that good or bad?
00:55:05.360 -->
00:55:06.960It is low.
00:55:07.280 -->
00:55:14.079I don't think there is it just there's no good or bad, it just ranks you in how you are perceived paranormal activity to you.
00:55:14.079 -->
00:55:14.480Okay.
00:55:14.480 -->
00:55:19.840Um I'm not this is where Brian is the he did the analysis and he's the one who does this.
00:55:19.840 -->
00:55:24.400We sort of helped guide with like certain questions that we wanted to know about for us.
00:55:24.400 -->
00:55:26.960So, but yeah, so but it does give you the results at the end.
00:55:26.960 -->
00:55:30.480So you were low on the haunted people syndrome part?
00:55:30.719 -->
00:55:33.119Yes, I'm in the 28.8 percentile.
00:55:33.119 -->
00:55:35.519So, what does that mean specifically that Carter's at a two?
00:55:35.519 -->
00:55:36.559Like, what would that mean for him?
00:55:36.639 -->
00:55:39.440Like somebody says it it tells you right there, doesn't it, Carter?
00:55:39.599 -->
00:55:42.559Uh yeah, so your your interpretive category is low.
00:55:42.559 -->
00:55:49.199My RASC RASCH score range for this category is 41 to 48.6.
00:55:49.199 -->
00:55:55.199My standard deviation range is negative one standard deviation to roughly zero standard deviation.
00:55:56.000 -->
00:55:59.119Um sounds smart, but I don't know what it means.
00:55:59.119 -->
00:56:02.480What's what doesn't it give you like a paragraph in there of like what it says?
00:56:02.800 -->
00:56:10.159Yeah, the measures this short screen measures the degree to which recurring unexplained or ghostly experiences and the patterns surrounding them are present in your life.
00:56:10.159 -->
00:56:15.920Your responses indicate that ghostly or haunting type experiences play little to no significant role in your everyday life.
00:56:15.920 -->
00:56:21.280While you may occasionally notice unusual, hard to explain moments, these do not appear to form a recurring pattern.
00:56:21.280 -->
00:56:27.119Your response, your responses suggest a perceptual style that tends toward the conventional end of the spectrum.
00:56:27.119 -->
00:56:28.639I'm conventional as hell.
00:56:28.960 -->
00:56:30.079You are pretty conventional.
00:56:30.079 -->
00:56:31.440You are a conventional fellow.
00:56:31.679 -->
00:56:41.599Um and then my trans liminality refers to how readily thoughts, images, feelings, and sensory information flow across the boundary between your unconscious mind and your everyday awareness.
00:56:41.599 -->
00:56:44.880It's a natural personality trait, not a measure of mental health or ability.
00:56:44.880 -->
00:56:47.519There are genuine strengths and trade-offs at every level of the spectrum.
00:56:47.519 -->
00:56:54.800Your score is slightly above average, suggesting that the boundary between your unconscious and conscious mind is somewhat more open than for most people.
00:56:55.039 -->
00:56:56.159I would have never thought that, by the way.
00:56:56.480 -->
00:57:04.880That's probably just because it asked me if I ever like felt like I got to a different realm of consciousness, and I was just thinking of the times I did shrimps.
00:57:05.119 -->
00:57:05.920Oh, yeah, me too.
00:57:08.239 -->
00:57:08.880That'll do it.
00:57:08.880 -->
00:57:10.960Yeah, my consciousness was altered that day.
00:57:10.960 -->
00:57:12.880Um listen to this podcast.
00:57:12.880 -->
00:57:13.599Wait, what?
00:57:13.599 -->
00:57:15.360Doesn't your mother listen to this podcast?
00:57:15.360 -->
00:57:16.000Sure.
00:57:16.000 -->
00:57:17.360She knows.
00:57:17.679 -->
00:57:19.039These are harmless, it's a safe point.
00:57:19.199 -->
00:57:21.039Yeah, yeah.
00:57:21.039 -->
00:57:23.519So uh and then the last one is survey of strange events.
00:57:23.519 -->
00:57:33.280Uh, my interpretive category is low, uh, lower reported variety of paranormal phenomena with mostly commonly reported types of phenomena like deja vu or unclear sounds.
00:57:33.519 -->
00:57:33.920Huh.
00:57:34.079 -->
00:57:36.320So I'm pretty pretty normal.
00:57:36.559 -->
00:57:38.320So, so I now wait.
00:57:38.400 -->
00:57:39.039Do you agree with that?
00:57:39.039 -->
00:57:40.320Do you agree with the assessment?
00:57:40.320 -->
00:57:41.280Yeah, for sure.
00:57:41.280 -->
00:57:44.320So I'm I'm gonna do that survey before our our podcast tonight.
00:57:44.320 -->
00:57:47.119So if you guys have any like, you know, I'm gonna do that too.
00:57:47.119 -->
00:57:49.440But no, I I think that's pretty accurate for Carter.
00:57:49.440 -->
00:57:55.199You know, I don't know Carter super well, like you know, like we don't like hang out and like go to strip clubs or anything.
00:57:55.440 -->
00:58:00.639No, I'm I'm very new to the whole ghost world as of since I started the job in October.
00:58:00.639 -->
00:58:06.320Um, so anything that I would have experienced, I've never even thought about really ghosts until I started working here.
00:58:06.639 -->
00:58:11.920Well, actually, let me ask you a question, maybe Paul, and I know it's kind of weird because you can't see him right now, but let me a question.
00:58:11.920 -->
00:58:18.960It's a qu a question that you know the guys asked earlier, like about like what would it take to convince you like that that these are real.
00:58:18.960 -->
00:58:26.960So like the TLDR version of this, so we're not you know what what would it take for you guys to believe ghosts are real?
00:58:26.960 -->
00:58:31.280Um I don't know, probably not that much, honestly.
00:58:31.280 -->
00:58:31.840Right.
00:58:31.840 -->
00:58:34.559Uh well your bar for Bigfoot's pretty fucking high.
00:58:34.639 -->
00:58:37.119So like I'm I'm told you I'm open to it, dude.
00:58:37.119 -->
00:58:38.960I'm open to anything, right?
00:58:38.960 -->
00:58:40.719No, I mean it if it depends.
00:58:40.719 -->
00:58:44.400So to go with what Gary said, it depends on what you mean by a ghost, right?
00:58:44.400 -->
00:58:54.480It's is it you want to can tell me that there's you know my grandmother is floating out here as a bodily apparition, that's gonna take a fucking pretty high bar for me to clear that.
00:58:54.480 -->
00:59:01.360I mean, you want to tell me that it's energy or like I mean, I've been in I was when I was in uh I was in Germany, we went to Dachau, right?
00:59:01.360 -->
00:59:13.920There's a fucking energy change when you walk into that place, like you can feel it, feels weird, and maybe that's a psychological thing in my brain telling me that some horrible shit happened here, so it feels different, or maybe it genuinely does feel different because I mean I've had those experiences, so you know.
00:59:14.159 -->
00:59:17.119Yeah, unless sad up whenever I tore the rhyme in Nashville.
00:59:17.119 -->
00:59:19.840Um I but I also pivot, could pivot.
00:59:19.840 -->
00:59:24.960I I I I also felt like a strange change in in energy just being on that stage.
00:59:24.960 -->
00:59:29.760Um, but I think to sorry to bring up the worst thing that ever happened at human history.
00:59:30.480 -->
00:59:31.599Really bring down the vibe.
00:59:31.599 -->
00:59:36.559Yeah, Paul's like, you know, lots of Jews died, and Carter's like, country music.
00:59:36.719 -->
00:59:43.119Um one's ever made those two connections before, ever happening at first.
00:59:43.119 -->
00:59:48.719It's Paul a cryptid skeptic.
00:59:48.719 -->
00:59:50.239I I am a cryptid skeptic.
00:59:50.239 -->
00:59:52.559Well that's a healthy place to be.
00:59:52.639 -->
00:59:54.320But no, uh well, we can talk about that.
00:59:54.960 -->
00:59:57.360I more have to believe in fucking ghosts than I am in Bigfoot.
00:59:57.360 -->
00:59:59.199I don't know how healthy either one of those things is.
00:59:59.199 -->
01:00:00.480Well, see, I'm not.
01:00:00.639 -->
01:00:05.119I'm not when it comes to cryptids because we're constantly discovering species all the time.
01:00:05.119 -->
01:00:07.199So fucking bugs, dude.
01:00:07.199 -->
01:00:08.639It doesn't matter.
01:00:08.639 -->
01:00:09.599It doesn't matter.
01:00:09.599 -->
01:00:10.880It does not matter.
01:00:10.880 -->
01:00:13.360So it's so listening.
01:00:13.360 -->
01:00:16.480Can we all can we all agree that humans are stupid?
01:00:17.039 -->
01:00:19.280For the most part, I would say that I would say that.
01:00:19.840 -->
01:00:21.039That's a fair assessment, right?
01:00:21.039 -->
01:00:22.159Humans are stupid.
01:00:22.400 -->
01:00:24.639I'll say we have a lot of room for improvement, just to make it sound.
01:00:24.639 -->
01:00:25.679Yes, okay.
01:00:25.760 -->
01:00:27.360You know what that makes it sound so much better.
01:00:27.360 -->
01:00:30.239Humanity has a lot of room for improvement.
01:00:30.239 -->
01:00:44.320So who's to say that there it aren't things out there that are actual, very natural and part of nature that are have evolved to elude us for their safety?
01:00:44.639 -->
01:00:54.960Well, and that so so talking about the Bigfoot thing and what you're what we're all talking about here briefly, and I never let Carter finish, but I think his bars I think his answer is probably gonna be similar to Paul's.
01:00:54.960 -->
01:00:57.039Like it'd probably be a pretty high bar.
01:00:57.039 -->
01:00:57.679Yeah, yeah.
01:00:57.760 -->
01:01:02.800Um but if I saw like an apparition, then you know my my tune would change, but it wouldn't yeah.
01:01:03.039 -->
01:01:05.760I've known you for 20 years, I promise you, your tune would not change.
01:01:05.760 -->
01:01:07.440You'd be like, I was hammered.
01:01:07.440 -->
01:01:09.280I don't know who the fuck knows what I saw.
01:01:09.280 -->
01:01:09.920It was the whole thing.
01:01:10.000 -->
01:01:11.199Yeah, so it happens.
01:01:11.199 -->
01:01:14.480People who don't believe will justify anything to their belief system, right?
01:01:14.480 -->
01:01:15.199That's the whole thing.
01:01:15.280 -->
01:01:19.519Well, the reason I bring up Bigfoot is because we're actually working on a big Bigfoot project right now.
01:01:19.519 -->
01:01:24.159Um we uh do you guys know or at least know of like Cliff Berrickman?
01:01:24.159 -->
01:01:25.840He is some finding Bigfoot.
01:01:25.840 -->
01:01:28.719So uh I guess we're like we're like buddies with him now.
01:01:28.719 -->
01:01:33.440We went up and we we're filming a documentary on Bigfoot right now, but we're taking a very different approach to the subject.
01:01:33.440 -->
01:01:38.079We're focusing more on the people than Bigfoot, even though the documentary is about Bigfoot.
01:01:38.079 -->
01:01:44.159Um, and these guys went up there with us, you know, they're you know part of our media team here, and you know, they have to go.
01:01:44.159 -->
01:01:45.840So we spent two weeks in Oregon.
01:01:45.840 -->
01:01:52.480We're gonna go back in two weeks here again shortly to to go out in the woods with Cliff and his team and you know look for Bigfoot.
01:01:52.480 -->
01:01:55.440And I I do believe Bigfoot's a real animal.
01:01:55.440 -->
01:01:57.039I I believe that it exists.
01:01:57.039 -->
01:02:01.920I I don't think it's this woo-woo shit where it's like you know disappearing and invisibility closed.
01:02:02.159 -->
01:02:03.519Oh, but interdimensional.
01:02:03.519 -->
01:02:05.280I I do not buy that for a second.
01:02:05.280 -->
01:02:06.079I agree with you.
01:02:06.159 -->
01:02:07.840I agree, I agree with that a hundred percent.
01:02:07.840 -->
01:02:16.400But and and while neither one of these guys came back from Oregon believing in Bigfoot, there was enough happened where I I think might have it shifted the needle a little bit.
01:02:16.400 -->
01:02:16.880A little bit.
01:02:16.880 -->
01:02:20.079Like there we had a lot of strange events happening in the woods.
01:02:20.079 -->
01:02:28.800We that that have no explanation other than that's either a person hiding from us or big or Bigfoot exists, like you know, in to an extent.
01:02:28.800 -->
01:02:41.039Like uh, for example, one of the things that happened was we we were leaving one of Cliff's research areas and we were just walking down a path, and all of a sudden we heard wood knocks, something banging on a fucking tree.
01:02:41.039 -->
01:02:45.840Like that that's either a person or Bigfoot's real, like in my mind.
01:02:45.840 -->
01:02:51.280And maybe I'm wrong, but like there's there's not many things that because when I say bang on a tree, I don't mean like a woodpecker.
01:02:51.280 -->
01:02:53.920I mean like something's banging on a fucking tree.
01:02:53.920 -->
01:02:56.239And where we were, there are no people.
01:02:56.239 -->
01:02:58.880Like there are no people at all.
01:02:59.119 -->
01:03:02.639Um I have yet to I have yet to interview a cryptid person.
01:03:02.639 -->
01:03:07.920I've been trying, desperately trying to get someone on because I want someone to explain it well to me, you know, all that stuff.
01:03:07.920 -->
01:03:14.880And the thing, it's just I I'll never I had raccoons on my roof once, right?
01:03:14.880 -->
01:03:17.039Right, and I didn't know what it was.
01:03:17.039 -->
01:03:26.639It was it you would have thought that the alien invasion just happened, it was so fucking loud and it was terrifying.
01:03:26.639 -->
01:03:30.159And then I go outside, I look, and it's like the cutest little like trash panda.
01:03:30.159 -->
01:03:34.079Like, he like lifts up, he's like, I'm like, son of a what did I do?
01:03:34.079 -->
01:03:43.840Yeah, it was like this is what's doing that, and and that when you talk about banging loud, it's always like when you go and you if you actually find it, you're just whatever it is.
01:03:43.840 -->
01:03:44.559I don't know.
01:03:44.559 -->
01:03:46.079This is where I'm the skeptic, right?
01:03:46.079 -->
01:03:51.519And I don't know, and again, I don't have a belief, I don't know what my criteria for finding Bigfoot is.
01:03:51.519 -->
01:03:53.280I feel like we should have found him.
01:03:53.280 -->
01:03:57.280Like we should be able to find the fucking thing by now, or a family of them.
01:03:57.599 -->
01:04:00.239Well, you know, like I wouldn't even not have found him.
01:04:00.239 -->
01:04:02.880Well, so there's more to the Bigfoot story than just that.
01:04:02.880 -->
01:04:08.480Like, because even when we were there, like we heard vocalizations, we heard other things, we found footprints.
01:04:08.480 -->
01:04:10.639Like, I actually saw one, me and my wife.
01:04:10.639 -->
01:04:17.599Cliff Cliff put out a really good video for the NABC, the North American Bigfoot Center, explaining exactly what happened.
01:04:17.599 -->
01:04:20.639So we were walking through the woods, we took a break.
01:04:20.639 -->
01:04:22.239My wife and I looked up on a hill.
01:04:22.239 -->
01:04:27.039I saw it first, but it just looked like a huge black stump, but then all of a sudden it moved slightly, like shifted.
01:04:27.039 -->
01:04:28.079I'm like, what the fuck?
01:04:28.079 -->
01:04:32.320So I call Cliff over because I'm like, dude, what the like, like, what the fuck is this?
01:04:32.320 -->
01:04:37.599So we talked Cliff into like, you know, with walkies, like, hey, you know, a little bit to the left, a little bit to the right.
01:04:37.599 -->
01:04:43.840He gets to where we saw it, and they're fucking footprints in the ground, like real fucking, and he went, he casted them like footprints.
01:04:43.840 -->
01:04:48.079They were 14 and a half inches, I think, like right where we saw this thing standing.
01:04:48.079 -->
01:04:50.480Um very similar to the one behind you.
01:04:51.199 -->
01:04:52.159Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:04:52.159 -->
01:04:53.599Oh, yeah, up there.
01:04:53.760 -->
01:04:54.239Oh wow.
01:04:54.239 -->
01:04:55.599Um that's wild.
01:04:55.599 -->
01:04:58.559You know, so it's one of those things like that's so crazy to me.
01:04:58.559 -->
01:04:59.840But I mean, there's more than that.
01:04:59.840 -->
01:05:02.559So, like you made the comment like we should have found this thing by now.
01:05:02.559 -->
01:05:11.039So, one of the things that not a lot of people realize, but you do once you start knowing the right people, is that like we haven't found it from a scientific perspective, right?
01:05:11.039 -->
01:05:14.079And like that, that's we can't I can't argue with that.
01:05:14.079 -->
01:05:37.519It's like we it's science hasn't proven that this animal exists, but there are people who see these things regularly, and there is a community of very dedicated, very professional researchers who can find where these animals are and not only find signs of them, um, but like the amount of video and pictures and stuff that the public will never see because the these people don't want this out there.
01:05:37.519 -->
01:05:48.239Because the moment I put out a video and say this is Bigfoot, I caught it on my property and I put it on YouTube, 90% of the people are gonna you know, think you're a crazy person and and all that stuff, right?
01:05:48.239 -->
01:05:57.760So there's actually a ton of video and and pictures and stuff that you'll never see because, like maybe Cliff has them, but he doesn't have permission to release them to the public.
01:05:57.760 -->
01:05:58.880But they've shared them with him.
01:05:58.880 -->
01:06:01.440Like there's a lot, there's a listen.
01:06:01.920 -->
01:06:03.119I could be proven wrong, man.
01:06:03.119 -->
01:06:10.239And I'm and I say all these things about cryptids, but I do believe the ocean is monster soup, and there's probably something down there because I don't I don't like it.
01:06:10.239 -->
01:06:13.360I don't like it one bit.
01:06:13.360 -->
01:06:15.360And it's uh yeah.
01:06:15.360 -->
01:06:18.000So I could see them being weird things in the ocean.
01:06:18.000 -->
01:06:18.239Yeah.
01:06:18.239 -->
01:06:21.519I have a much harder time with like like the woods.
01:06:21.679 -->
01:06:22.559No, no, I get it.
01:06:22.559 -->
01:06:28.000Yeah, I I I you know at the end of the day, I just think it's an animal who's really good at avoiding people, which most apex predators are.
01:06:28.000 -->
01:06:30.960I mean, yeah, um the amount of people.
01:06:31.119 -->
01:06:31.920But I feel the same way.
01:06:31.920 -->
01:06:32.800I feel the same way.
01:06:32.960 -->
01:06:39.760Yeah, because the the like the general public, they think like, oh, you know, Bigfoot, you know, one of these animals is seen like a couple dozen times a year or something.
01:06:39.760 -->
01:06:40.960That is not the case.
01:06:40.960 -->
01:06:45.280These things are literally being seen tens of thousands of times per year in the United States.
01:06:45.280 -->
01:07:04.239They're just not being reported, or they are being reported, but they you know want to kind of keep the information to themselves, like all these researchers, because I don't want to put out this person's report, or I don't want to put this video out, even if I have permission, because then you're gonna know where my areas are, and I want to keep those areas to myself, which by the way, they're doing it for good reasons, you know.
01:07:04.320 -->
01:07:06.079Because when's this documentary coming out?
01:07:06.239 -->
01:07:15.199We're thinking it's gonna come out like the beginning of Q2, 2027, because we're gonna get back, you know, mid-October, roughly from filming, you know, give us a couple months to finish the editing and all that kind of stuff.
01:07:15.199 -->
01:07:18.719But um correct me if I'm wrong, okay.
01:07:18.960 -->
01:07:25.760But a lot of the big feats, I like to call them big feats because there's no way you're walking around one big foot, right?
01:07:25.760 -->
01:07:47.840Right, big feats, they're not hostile, they're not hostile encounters, they're more you know, elusive, and that might play a bit of a role in it too, because if you're dealing with a non-hostile entity that's just trying to be avoided, yeah, there's gonna be a lot less, you know, oh my god, about it.
01:07:48.079 -->
01:07:56.079Well, there has been some instances of incidences of them being like sort of hostile, but not in the way that that I think you're asking for.
01:07:56.079 -->
01:07:58.559Like in a territorial hostile, yeah.
01:07:58.559 -->
01:08:03.360Like there's been instances where like people have had rocks thrown at them, um, you know, all that kind of stuff.
01:08:03.360 -->
01:08:04.880But uh as far as like them attacking.
01:08:04.880 -->
01:08:06.159Those are the teenagers.
01:08:06.159 -->
01:08:06.480Yeah.
01:08:06.480 -->
01:08:08.559Well, actually, I mean you're not far off.
01:08:09.039 -->
01:08:10.639Like boy them, yeah.
01:08:10.800 -->
01:08:16.000So there's been stuff like that happening, but as far as like you know, documented people being attacked by Bigfoot, I don't think there is any.
01:08:16.000 -->
01:08:20.720I mean, no, when we asked Cliff about that, he made the joke, he's like, well, that's because they're not around anymore.
01:08:20.720 -->
01:08:22.800Um, you know, like to report it.
01:08:22.800 -->
01:08:24.560But no, I don't think they're hostile.
01:08:24.560 -->
01:08:28.319I just think they're a real animal that is really good at avoiding human contact.
01:08:28.319 -->
01:08:38.640But unless you're in that researcher community, you you you could rightfully assume or wrongfully assume that you know these animals are seen like a couple dozen times a year.
01:08:38.640 -->
01:08:39.920That is not the case.
01:08:39.920 -->
01:08:46.239I mean, in cliffs area of the woods, like these animals are seen multiple times per week by somebody.
01:08:46.239 -->
01:08:51.279Like they're it you go up there and you talk to them, and it's you know, every once in a while you get somebody who's like, nah, they're not real.
01:08:51.279 -->
01:08:55.760But the people who live there, like especially in these wilderness areas, like there, there's no question in their mind.
01:08:55.760 -->
01:08:57.680Yeah, like most of them have seen them.
01:08:58.399 -->
01:08:59.279Well, I'm looking forward to that.
01:08:59.279 -->
01:09:00.319I'm looking forward to that doc.
01:09:00.319 -->
01:09:00.640Yeah.
01:09:00.640 -->
01:09:08.880I love, I like I and I love I do love that you're it sounds like you're taking it from the human experience, which is really I think the great value.
01:09:09.199 -->
01:09:20.399Well, the question to me, like honestly, the we the we didn't set out to do a document the documentary to prove Bigfoot's real because I I don't I don't care like you know if you believe Bigfoot's real or not.
01:09:20.399 -->
01:09:22.319I I'm we're not gonna try to convince you.
01:09:22.319 -->
01:09:35.760But what I thought was really interesting, and this this uh ties into the whole ghost part of the paranormal stuff as well, is the idea that somebody would dedicate their life to a a subject or a search or whatever you want to call it that most people don't even believe in.
01:09:35.760 -->
01:09:44.239Like, what would it take for you as a person to say, you know, okay, most people don't believe Bigfoot's real, but I'm just gonna dedicate my entire life to it for better or worse.
01:09:44.239 -->
01:09:46.079Like that's just what I'm gonna do.
01:09:46.079 -->
01:09:47.279Like, how do you do that?
01:09:47.279 -->
01:09:48.399And what does that look like?
01:09:48.399 -->
01:09:53.680That that's the that's the question we were we were trying to answer through Bigfoot, if that makes any sense.
01:09:53.920 -->
01:09:54.640Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
01:09:54.640 -->
01:09:55.760I'm I'm looking forward to it.
01:09:55.760 -->
01:09:56.079Yeah.
01:09:56.079 -->
01:09:57.119I'm excited.
01:09:57.119 -->
01:09:58.479Well, I do like that.
01:09:58.479 -->
01:09:59.119I love that stuff.
01:09:59.119 -->
01:10:00.960I love a different angle on things like that.
01:10:01.199 -->
01:10:03.520Well, you probably that's probably why you hooked up with John.
01:10:03.520 -->
01:10:06.319And he's you know, because he's doing things a little bit different, you know.
01:10:06.720 -->
01:10:07.439We love disruptors.
01:10:07.439 -->
01:10:10.880We have we we try to get a lot of disruptors on, you know, that do things a little differently.
01:10:10.880 -->
01:10:15.039I think it creates a much better perspective on to understand what's going on, yeah.
01:10:15.039 -->
01:10:16.640You know, by getting different points of view for sure.
01:10:16.800 -->
01:10:20.720Well, even just the idea of going out in the cemeteries and you know, cleaning grave headstones or whatever.
01:10:20.720 -->
01:10:23.520Like, how did that even start for you?
01:10:23.680 -->
01:10:30.239Like well, it it it's it goes like this you're walking around a cemetery, you start communicating with spirits.
01:10:30.239 -->
01:10:34.960And so what I like to do is I like to document more than ghost hunt investigate.
01:10:34.960 -->
01:10:42.159And to me, a huge part of documenting is going back to the same place over and over and over.
01:10:42.159 -->
01:10:46.159And so I usually stick to the same places that I go to.
01:10:46.159 -->
01:10:54.960When I do this at a cemetery, you start becoming friendly with a lot of the spirits there that you've made contact with.
01:10:54.960 -->
01:11:00.880So here I am communicating with spirits.
01:11:00.880 -->
01:11:06.239Their headstones are not being taken care of because the families aren't around anymore.
01:11:06.239 -->
01:11:07.920And it was like, you know what?
01:11:07.920 -->
01:11:09.840I'm gonna clean your headstone.
01:11:09.840 -->
01:11:10.319Yeah.
01:11:10.319 -->
01:11:16.960And then I realized, oh, wait a minute, there's a bunch of headstones where the spirits aren't communicating.
01:11:16.960 -->
01:11:20.960I'm gonna clean those two because the families just aren't there to do it.
01:11:21.279 -->
01:11:27.840I think it's important to point out John has 100% permission to go wherever all those cemeteries you see him in from the owners.
01:11:27.840 -->
01:11:31.119He always sticks to the part of the cemetery that are much older.
01:11:31.119 -->
01:11:36.079Up in in New York, we've got a lot of you know, revolutionary civil war, that era.
01:11:36.079 -->
01:11:38.159So there is nobody visiting that.
01:11:38.159 -->
01:11:41.760He avoids any new new areas, new graves.
01:11:41.760 -->
01:11:42.960It's it's just disrespectful.
01:11:42.960 -->
01:11:43.600Yeah, yeah.
01:11:43.680 -->
01:11:44.960There's no, yeah, there's no point.
01:11:44.960 -->
01:11:53.760There's no point in me even communicating at newer cemeteries when there's family that are able to go and visit.
01:11:53.760 -->
01:11:55.840There's to me, there's no point.
01:11:55.840 -->
01:12:00.079So I stick to the older sections that have nobody.
01:12:00.960 -->
01:12:07.119Yeah, nobody's visiting great, great, great, great, great grandpa who died in the Revolutionary War, probably.
01:12:07.439 -->
01:12:08.800Yeah, exactly.
01:12:08.800 -->
01:12:11.039No, nobody is, unless it's a historian.
01:12:11.439 -->
01:12:20.880So well, one, I think that's awesome, you know, because I you know, I've often talked about this on podcasts where paranormal investigators, they it's not that they're disrespectful to the past, but they almost forget about it.
01:12:20.880 -->
01:12:36.720You know, they're so focused on chasing the next piece of evidence that they don't that they tend to forget, like, wait a minute, this was actually like if we're gonna assume ghosts are something that has to do with somebody alive, however that fucking works, like there's a person attached to whatever you're doing, or at least there was.
01:12:36.800 -->
01:12:38.479And the micro history.
01:12:38.479 -->
01:12:38.880Yeah.
01:12:38.880 -->
01:12:44.560The micro, and that's a big part of it too, because I've noticed that, and you've probably noticed that too, Tim.
01:12:44.560 -->
01:12:54.399You get a lot of people that ghost hunt and investigate, and they they completely disconnect from the history, and they're all about the scary wow factor.
01:12:54.399 -->
01:12:55.359Yeah, that's a good thing.
01:12:55.359 -->
01:13:01.840And I I and and that also becomes a problem when dealing with historically sensitive spots.
01:13:01.840 -->
01:13:16.239Um, you know, and there's a lot of there's a lot of places that will not do not want you doing any form of ghost hunting because it ends up becoming a instead of uh, hey, wait a minute.
01:13:16.239 -->
01:13:19.039Is that is that spirit seeking about the history there?
01:13:19.359 -->
01:13:20.720Well, wait a minute, hold on.
01:13:20.720 -->
01:13:21.600This is awesome.
01:13:21.600 -->
01:13:22.960This is a history lesson.
01:13:22.960 -->
01:13:24.319Well, you know what's funny, Tim?
01:13:24.319 -->
01:13:40.399It's a and Tim, maybe as a programmer and a coder, you can you you can dismiss this or figure this out, but it seems like sometimes with John, and honestly, but sometimes with John with these spirits, because he goes back to penning and and sometimes he has the geolocation shut off on his phone to save battery and all that.
01:13:40.399 -->
01:13:48.319But you get personality from comments, which that we talk about coincidences.
01:13:48.319 -->
01:13:54.800He told when I first started this with him, there's one area he goes, we can go there, but the spirit there hates me.
01:13:54.800 -->
01:13:56.720He's gonna make fun of me every time.
01:13:56.720 -->
01:14:00.239And without question, John is fat, John's an asshole.
01:14:00.239 -->
01:14:04.319He hates he it's it's always negative, and then he goes, But let's go here.
01:14:04.319 -->
01:14:13.520This this little there's a child spirit here, it's always kind, and it and it and it is, and that it's constant, and it's it's consistent.
01:14:13.520 -->
01:14:16.000He's got years of recordings of this.
01:14:16.000 -->
01:14:18.399It's happened when I've been recording with him.
01:14:18.399 -->
01:14:22.479It's that to me is where you know there's a strange, I don't know how I don't know what it is.
01:14:22.560 -->
01:14:28.479I don't I mean, maybe they're not being negative, maybe they're just trying to give you motivation, like yeah, right.
01:14:28.479 -->
01:14:36.079Like I'm I'm like like I'm a little chubby, and if somebody was telling me, like, Tim, you're a little fat, Tim, you're a little fat, eventually I'd be like, fuck you, I'm gonna lose weight.
01:14:36.159 -->
01:14:39.680Maybe they're actually just trying to like, you know, you might get you might get a kick out of this.
01:14:39.680 -->
01:14:45.920Whenever I do see animals and I'm live, I ask the spirits to tell me what that animal is.
01:14:45.920 -->
01:14:47.600Oh, that's a terrific idea.
01:14:47.600 -->
01:14:48.159Yeah.
01:14:48.159 -->
01:14:49.439Always, always.
01:14:49.439 -->
01:14:54.079And and sometimes what's funny is sometimes like I have nicknames for animals.
01:14:54.079 -->
01:14:57.199So like I said, I go to these locations all the time.
01:14:57.199 -->
01:15:06.000So sometimes we see a deer, you know, the spirits will joke back and be like, oh, that's venison, you know, oh, that's a forest puppy.
01:15:06.000 -->
01:15:08.159Or they'll be like, oh no, that's a deer.
01:15:08.159 -->
01:15:11.680You know, so it's pretty cool, but not always, obviously.
01:15:11.680 -->
01:15:13.840Most of the time they're just like, help me.
01:15:14.640 -->
01:15:17.279Yeah, they're all you know, they're always in need of help.
01:15:17.279 -->
01:15:19.520Like, oh, they're always in need of help.
01:15:19.520 -->
01:15:21.439It's like, fuck, how many kids do I have?
01:15:21.680 -->
01:15:24.000How many people think they need to be crossed over?
01:15:24.000 -->
01:15:24.479Yeah.
01:15:26.560 -->
01:15:27.760Do you guys think that's a real thing?
01:15:27.760 -->
01:15:28.960The whole crossing over thing?
01:15:28.960 -->
01:15:29.279No.
01:15:30.000 -->
01:15:33.199I don't think again, this speaks to like no one's an expert.
01:15:33.199 -->
01:15:43.439I I lean towards the no because I don't I don't think that we are I don't think that these spirits are things that are go like a soul that needs to get to sort of heaven.
01:15:43.439 -->
01:15:46.079So no, I'm it's to make people feel better.
01:15:46.079 -->
01:15:47.279That's all it is.
01:15:47.279 -->
01:15:48.880And that's what I've noticed.
01:15:48.880 -->
01:15:51.840It's always why it goes back to consciousness for me.
01:15:51.840 -->
01:15:52.800It's in their own head.
01:15:52.800 -->
01:15:57.119They need to know that this thing it's safe, you know.
01:15:57.119 -->
01:15:57.920Yep, they're lost.
01:15:58.159 -->
01:16:00.880They want to feel better, they want to feel better about what they're doing.
01:16:00.880 -->
01:16:02.720I get it, and they and they want to feel better.
01:16:02.720 -->
01:16:06.399That that's what I that's what I think the whole crossing a spirit over is.
01:16:06.399 -->
01:16:15.520And I always and I always say it too, and I and these other people in the paranormal field, respectfully, I said, bring me to a spot where you have crossed the spirit over.
01:16:15.520 -->
01:16:20.880And if you really did speak to that spirit, I guarantee I will speak to that spirit.
01:16:20.880 -->
01:16:25.439And then you tell me if they if you actually quote unquote cross them over.
01:16:25.439 -->
01:16:31.359Now, does that to say that spirits can't cross themselves over and go back and forth from other planes of existence?
01:16:31.359 -->
01:16:32.000No.
01:16:32.000 -->
01:16:33.840Of course, maybe that's the possibility.
01:16:33.840 -->
01:16:34.640What do we know?
01:16:34.640 -->
01:16:44.079We're not experts, but the whole woo-woo or the whole religious aspect of crossing spirits over, it's just to make the individual feel better, not the actual spirit.
01:16:44.079 -->
01:16:47.039Well, I also think you notice that a lot with the paranormal too.
01:16:47.039 -->
01:16:50.399It's all about making themselves feel better and not the spirits.
01:16:50.720 -->
01:16:57.760Well, I also think that there's there's uh sometimes I chuckle at some of that kind of stuff because I mean, one to be clear, I don't know if you can cross a fucking spirit over.
01:16:57.760 -->
01:16:58.880I don't think you can.
01:16:58.880 -->
01:17:02.399Um, but it goes back to just the arrogance of being a human being.
01:17:02.399 -->
01:17:07.520Like that that we're tuberous, like that we're so that that we are so powerful that we could do that.
01:17:07.520 -->
01:17:18.880It's like it's like it's like the it's like the people like like the like I can go into a lot of examples, but like one of the other things like kind of related but kind of not is like the salt thing, right?
01:17:18.880 -->
01:17:23.600Like I'm gonna put salt down and it's gonna do like who the fuck crystals, salt and sage.
01:17:23.600 -->
01:17:25.760Yeah, like who the fuck do you think you are?
01:17:25.760 -->
01:17:31.119That that you have so much power over like things that you don't even understand, by the way.
01:17:31.119 -->
01:17:32.720Um, that you think you can do that.
01:17:34.800 -->
01:17:35.279Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:17:35.279 -->
01:17:38.479Jesus, uh crystals, Jesus, salt and sage.
01:17:38.720 -->
01:17:39.199Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:17:39.199 -->
01:17:40.079I always think that.
01:17:40.079 -->
01:17:42.479Wait, Tim, go go into go into what they're saying.
01:17:42.479 -->
01:17:43.760You're 100% correct.
01:17:43.760 -->
01:17:50.159I personally believe that the only power we truly have is ourselves, right?
01:17:50.159 -->
01:17:55.279We have power over our own reality and our own perception, and that is it.
01:17:55.279 -->
01:18:05.279Everything else to think that we can cross spirits over or use this to stop the spirit from doing that, it's it's very strange.
01:18:05.279 -->
01:18:16.800And I just notice at the end of the day, it's all about the person feeling better about the situation they're in, uh, and not the actual spirits or perception of what's happening.
01:18:17.039 -->
01:18:18.720Yeah, and and yeah, because you're right.
01:18:18.720 -->
01:18:27.600Like, you know, if you bring somebody in that says they can cross spirits over because maybe your grandpa's haunting your house and they come in and they ring a bell or whatever dumb shit they do.
01:18:27.600 -->
01:18:32.640And then, you know, like then they say grandpa has crossed over, like that would make you feel better, right?
01:18:32.640 -->
01:18:33.840Would make you feel better.
01:18:33.840 -->
01:18:42.000But by the way, then you're also going to start interpreting future events differently because if things start happening in your house again, you're like, Well, it can't be grandpa, he's crossed over.
01:18:42.079 -->
01:18:47.600Yes, like I I've met I've I've interviewed a few grief counselors, right, that specialize in this.
01:18:47.600 -->
01:18:51.920Like one will uh we just the interview we just did with uh a woman named Dr.
01:18:51.920 -->
01:18:52.560Mohanna.
01:18:52.560 -->
01:18:53.039She's specialized.
01:18:53.039 -->
01:18:53.600Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:18:53.600 -->
01:18:55.439She's used after death communication, right?
01:18:55.439 -->
01:18:57.920And I know people personally who have used her.
01:18:57.920 -->
01:18:59.840Uh super interesting, also.
01:18:59.840 -->
01:19:02.399And and listen, you know, whatever.
01:19:02.399 -->
01:19:07.279She gets people in a state to where they believe now they are speaking with their love.
01:19:07.279 -->
01:19:09.760Now I can't say maybe they are, right?
01:19:09.760 -->
01:19:13.279I'm not I'm in a I'm working in a field where maybe they are to them.
01:19:13.279 -->
01:19:19.199They had it, they had a real interaction in a way that felt wild.
01:19:19.199 -->
01:19:21.359They did not expect it, they didn't do it.
01:19:21.359 -->
01:19:23.199Somehow they got into that state, right?
01:19:23.199 -->
01:19:26.239With rapid eye movement, however, this whole methodology.
01:19:26.239 -->
01:19:32.000To me, that's the same as you know, as this idea of crossing over.
01:19:32.000 -->
01:19:44.560I don't know where they're going, but this this idea of it, you need a connection to the afterlife to help you get over something to find it however you want, whether it's happening or not, I don't know.
01:19:44.560 -->
01:19:48.079Uh, but it is about the individual, right?
01:19:48.399 -->
01:19:49.199Totally, 100%.
01:19:49.199 -->
01:19:50.159Yeah.
01:19:50.159 -->
01:19:52.880Or the or the you brought up the sage.
01:19:52.880 -->
01:19:54.720Like that's always another one I chuckle about too.
01:19:54.720 -->
01:19:59.119Because I mean, once again, I'm getting I'm even getting tired of having to preface myself with I'm loaded expert.
01:19:59.119 -->
01:19:59.680I don't know.
01:19:59.680 -->
01:20:01.359But I think that's just anything that I say.
01:20:01.359 -->
01:20:05.119But like those the the the people who use sage to you know cleanse their house and stuff.
01:20:05.119 -->
01:20:16.640I'm sitting here thinking, like, okay, so so especially when it comes to like quote unquote demonic activity, which don't even get me started on demons, but um not that you guys are going to, maybe later.
01:20:16.640 -->
01:20:18.319But maybe later, we guys.
01:20:18.479 -->
01:20:46.880Yeah, it's like really like you really believe that these things are like Satan's army sent to corrupt man, but you waved a fucking burning plant around, and now all of a sudden you fixed it like really, really and the the crazy thing too with that, Tim, is sage when you break it down first of all, there's all different types of sages, but the general concept can say uh the general idea with sage when you're burning it is that you're inviting energy in, you're not excelling energy.
01:20:46.880 -->
01:20:49.600But don't tell people that, don't tell them that.
01:20:49.600 -->
01:20:54.079Don't tell people lose their minds because they read it in a Barnes and Noble book.
01:20:54.079 -->
01:20:55.039You know what I mean?
01:20:55.039 -->
01:20:56.399They lose their minds, right?
01:20:56.560 -->
01:21:03.600It's not a demon, it's more likely it's just an asshole who dying of a spirit, but uh the a demon is not someone who's like gonna ruin.
01:21:03.600 -->
01:21:05.680I don't see why they would want to ruin your life.
01:21:06.239 -->
01:21:09.359My favorite explanation of hell came from a movie.
01:21:09.359 -->
01:21:12.319Okay, and it came from it came from dogma.
01:21:12.319 -->
01:21:24.239That scene with Azriel explaining to uh Jay and Silent Bob and the group in the strip in the strip club exactly what hell is was phenomenal.
01:21:24.239 -->
01:21:25.920Well, don't just hang him, bro.
01:21:25.920 -->
01:21:37.600Tell us what basically basically basically what he says was that it was humans that created hell, and that hell was just the absence of God, which is what they were able to deal with and they were fine with.
01:21:37.600 -->
01:21:42.560And so humans came in and with their self-loathing and their issues and their problems.
01:21:42.560 -->
01:21:49.119And and and they made hell and they caused this whole issue and problem, which is great.
01:21:49.119 -->
01:21:52.319Dude, it is such a good, and that's me paraphrasing it, right?
01:21:52.319 -->
01:21:55.520Keep the poor down, it was just to keep the poor down.
01:21:55.680 -->
01:21:55.920Yep.
01:21:55.920 -->
01:21:57.600Like, how do we control these people?
01:21:57.600 -->
01:22:03.840It's like, listen, if you have a good life, you're gonna be better, but it's like you know, don't this is this is the question.
01:22:03.840 -->
01:22:05.520Don't rise up against this.
01:22:05.760 -->
01:22:16.399This is the question I ask to everybody who's like who's who's so who's so fundamental, they're fundamentally charged with their belief system when it comes to heaven.
01:22:16.399 -->
01:22:29.119And I say, hey, I'm an atheist, but I try to be a good person, not because of fear of going somewhere or the fear of getting into somewhere, just because I like to surround myself with a good balance of positivity.
01:22:29.119 -->
01:22:31.760I like seeing people around me lifted up.
01:22:31.760 -->
01:22:36.159I like seeing people do good and do better.
01:22:36.159 -->
01:22:45.680So, with that mind state, if I die not believing in God, what's the what's the difference?
01:22:45.680 -->
01:22:49.520What's it what's the am I gonna go to hell because I don't believe in God?
01:22:49.520 -->
01:22:59.119Do I have more of a right to go to heaven because all my good deeds were done without the the the the pretense of me going somewhere?
01:22:59.119 -->
01:22:59.520Nope.
01:22:59.760 -->
01:23:03.920So hell we talk about consciousness and stuff, and then you bring up hell.
01:23:03.920 -->
01:23:10.079So for the past six years, I've been and I I I gotta stop bringing this up in podcasts because people are gonna think my life is one-dimensional.
01:23:10.079 -->
01:23:26.640Um, but for the past six years, I was actually working on a theory of consciousness, and I was doing this from a perspective of like, I'm actually a highly intelligent person, I'm not like some dummy, but I kept running into these problems where I started getting into like very complicated math that even my head couldn't even wrap around.
01:23:26.640 -->
01:23:31.199But then AI came out and helped me solve some of these problems, these math problems.
01:23:31.199 -->
01:23:40.239And uh, like my theory, like the math is actually mathing on it, which is kind of scary because in my head, there's no way that some dipshit living in Louisiana has figured this all out.
01:23:40.239 -->
01:23:53.520But one of the more interesting things about it was without going into the whole theory, is the idea of consciousness would want to look for complicated structures to assemble itself around as a field.
01:23:53.520 -->
01:24:12.560And essentially, the idea of hell could actually be described in this theory of consciousness, because the idea is that your consciousness is aligned with the true stream of what consciousness is, like when you pass away, like they're like you just go, you're like you're just conscious somewhere else, like your consciousness exists.
01:24:12.560 -->
01:24:20.399But if you're misaligned, your your consciousness could essentially get trapped in an arbitrary structure, like you know, even just energy.
01:24:20.399 -->
01:24:26.560For example, interesting enough, according to this theory, one of the things that consciousness would assemble itself around is electromagnetic energy.
01:24:26.560 -->
01:24:32.560Okay, well, isn't it funny that people are always equating electromagnetic energy with ghost activity?
01:24:32.560 -->
01:24:37.039Which, if we said ghosts for just consciousness, then it's like, oh shit, that makes sense.
01:24:37.039 -->
01:24:44.399But one of the more interesting things was that there is a way that the energy would work, and I'm paraphrasing some of this because we only got a couple minutes left.
01:24:44.399 -->
01:24:59.439But essentially, when you pass away, your consciousness would become stuck in one of these structures, these these uh field structures where it would never allow your consciousness to to uh dissipate or something.
01:24:59.439 -->
01:25:02.720No, well to go back to the to the consciousness field.
01:25:02.720 -->
01:25:04.560That would be hell.
01:25:04.560 -->
01:25:12.319Like literally, like because your your consciousness would never be able to align itself with the field of consciousness in the universe.
01:25:12.319 -->
01:25:18.560So you know, plus there's the idea that consciousness wants conscious consciousness to continue.
01:25:18.560 -->
01:25:23.680Like, so this theory even goes into like evolution and how consciousness might actually be the driving force behind evolution.
01:25:23.680 -->
01:25:25.279It's not what Darman suggested.
01:25:25.279 -->
01:25:27.119It's really bizarre shit.
01:25:27.359 -->
01:25:45.359Well, but like super what's what's really interesting is I have a little data to back that up because I come across entities that claim that certain places and certain things are their heaven and hells.
01:25:45.520 -->
01:25:45.840Okay.
01:25:46.479 -->
01:25:56.399I for example, I went to a uh a theater, uh music theater, and I'm sitting there and I'm talking to a spirit, and the spirit just flat out goes, This is my heaven.
01:25:56.640 -->
01:25:56.960Okay.
01:25:57.520 -->
01:26:02.159And I'm like, whoa, that's pretty damn wild.
01:26:02.159 -->
01:26:10.880Then again, I'll go to a very horrible, historically horrible place, and the spirits will straight up just be like, Yo, this is our hell.
01:26:11.359 -->
01:26:18.720Well, if somebody wanted to watch all your fake videos, uh where can where can they find you at?
01:26:19.039 -->
01:26:21.520So they can actually find me on TikTok.
01:26:21.520 -->
01:26:23.840It's Santa Paranormal across the board.
01:26:23.840 -->
01:26:24.159Okay.
01:26:24.159 -->
01:26:30.560Uh TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook currently have all my videos taken from the live streams.
01:26:30.560 -->
01:26:38.319And if they want to go back and actually watch the full live stream, they can go on YouTube for that as well if they if they want to go to a particular one.
01:26:38.560 -->
01:26:38.800Yeah.
01:26:38.800 -->
01:26:43.439And the Slunder Splinter Spirits podcast, I'm assuming that's you know, the same thing everybody says.
01:26:43.439 -->
01:26:44.800Everywhere you can everywhere.
01:26:45.119 -->
01:26:46.319Everywhere podcasts are available.
01:26:46.319 -->
01:26:59.920Video is on Spotify and YouTube, soon to be on Apple uh for video, but otherwise, we're the podcast is everywhere, and our social medias are all across the board, you know, just which is just clips on the podcast.
01:27:00.720 -->
01:27:12.239And and both Santa Paranormal and Flinted Spirits also has uh uh private sessions and side videos as well, diving deeper into spirit communication, YouTube, things like that that we go through.
01:27:12.239 -->
01:27:12.640Yep, yep.
01:27:12.640 -->
01:27:13.520That's some fun with.
01:27:13.680 -->
01:27:13.840All right.
01:27:13.840 -->
01:27:16.079Well, it's actually been a lot of fun talking with you guys today.
01:27:16.079 -->
01:27:18.960I can't wait for uh live today from tonight.
01:27:19.119 -->
01:27:22.319But listen, I I think I think what you do is really great, Tim.
01:27:22.319 -->
01:27:23.359I I am a big fan.
01:27:23.359 -->
01:27:30.000I always when I book a guest, I have my first stop is what you've been doing because I'm like, I can't ask any questions this guy's asked.
01:27:30.000 -->
01:27:31.279Like, how do I make it different?
01:27:31.279 -->
01:27:31.600Right.
01:27:31.600 -->
01:27:35.520And you get everybody, and I'm like, uh I'm sure Tim's got them already.
01:27:35.520 -->
01:27:38.319And I and it's really what and it's but but I enjoy it.
01:27:38.319 -->
01:27:41.279I enjoy it's not like let me watch what fucking Tim did.
01:27:41.279 -->
01:27:42.880I have I really like great.
01:27:42.880 -->
01:27:47.439I get to watch and say, okay, how do I make it better than Tim if I even possibly could?
01:27:47.439 -->
01:27:48.880But it's always fun to watch.
01:27:48.880 -->
01:27:54.880You do great work, and I'm I'm we are fans, so this was a real pleasure for me that you agreed to do this in this collab.
01:27:54.880 -->
01:27:55.680So thank you so much.
01:27:55.920 -->
01:27:56.800No, you're very welcome.
01:27:56.800 -->
01:27:59.680But to be clear, most of the credit goes to the guys sitting over there.
01:27:59.680 -->
01:28:03.039Um, they they they're what make the podcast great.
01:28:03.039 -->
01:28:04.720I just make it there.
01:28:04.960 -->
01:28:06.479Well, then I take it back, guys.
01:28:06.479 -->
01:28:08.159Paul Carter, thank you so much.
01:28:08.159 -->
01:28:09.359I appreciate you guys very much.
01:28:09.359 -->
01:28:12.239You just sit there with that sexy gap in your mouth, you know.
01:28:12.960 -->
01:28:13.359All right, guys.
01:28:13.359 -->
01:28:14.239Well, it was really good.
01:28:14.239 -->
01:28:16.640I I actually really need to go get blood for real.
01:28:16.960 -->
01:28:19.279So I'm live.
01:28:19.279 -->
01:28:22.079I don't know when this will end, but we're looking forward to it, man.
01:28:22.079 -->
01:28:23.279Thank you so much.
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