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Get Into Gate, episode number... No, it's a special one,
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as you can see by the title of the podcast.
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Just Mitch here with a reduced episode between actual episodes. Look,
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I've been out of the country. It's a hashtag blame
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Mitch situation since I've gotten back into the country. Struggled
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to find a little bit of a time to get
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together and record episode one of season two of Stargate Universe,
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which I'm very keen to get back into again. But
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we wanted to get something out, and there's been a
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little bit of a, I mean, if you can call
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it a leak, something, a little bit of a nugget
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over the last couple of days as to what the
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new show was going to be about before Amazon came
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out and famously cancelled it! Sorry, we're still not over it.
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But before that, we actually put out a post on
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our Patreon asking our patrons, which actually was available to
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anyone that would like to go on and visit patreon.com
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forward slash get into gate. What Do you want From
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New Stargate? At this point, we're not getting one. I
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think it's crazy to think we're not going to get one. Obviously,
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the cancellation recently was about the Martin Guiro-led continuation, another
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series set within the same mythology. They never come out
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and said they were never... I mean, they haven't really
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come out and said anything at this point, have they?
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But they had cancelled that show. But it's not like
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Amazon have said, we are never going to do Stargate.
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new Stargate, which is the fight that a lot of
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us fans have been fighting for, right? Is to get
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the Stargate series that was going to come from the
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heads of old. A lot of the old creatives coming
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back on board to respect what was done before and
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hopefully take us into a bright, brand new future for Stargate.
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We're not getting that, but it has begged the question
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on our podcast alone. I know that myself and Maddie
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and Brendan have all shared our thoughts on And they've
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kind of differed. I know that Brendan has seen some
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type of silver lining in the fact that if they
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were just going to come out and cancel this, you
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know what, don't even bother at this point because it
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sounds like it's becoming a bit of a risk that
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you're just going to stain what has become such a
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staple in our love of sci-fi and our love of
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anything television, our favorite TV show of all time for
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a lot of us. maybe it's a good thing that
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Amazon aren't making this new show. As much as that
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hurts to say, and I mean, nothing they do or
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don't do is ever going to affect what we have
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already watched and loved over the last 30 years within
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the franchise. But because we do love it, we obviously
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want to see more. So we put out a post
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on our Patreon page. Again, jump on board, patreon.com forward
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slash get into gate. You decide what's next for Stargate.
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Just to sort of see, hey, beyond us three idiots,
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what do you guys want? Where do you feel like
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You want this future to go. Are you also happy
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that Prime didn't go ahead at all? Are you happy
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they didn't go ahead with the Martin Giro-led series? Would
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you like to see it go somewhere else? Would you
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like to just see it end now and maybe never
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get another Stargate and just continue to love what we've
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already been given in the past? Craig, who's only on
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the podcast over the last two episodes, was first to
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chime in and said, Personally, I wanted the Giro-led Stargate.
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Keep the established continuity and don't erase what we all love.
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Anything else is a slap in the face to longtime fans. Now,
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it was the first comment to come through, but it
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was also the one that garnered the most likes from
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people who saw it. And, look, let's be honest. We
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spent six months thinking we were getting this build-on from
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the established continuity. We got used to the idea. We
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got used to the idea of who was writing it.
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And it makes the most sense, right? Like, I know
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that Stargate was just one small piece of a giant
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bundle that is MGM that Amazon Prime bought. But why
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would you go to the trouble of buying all of
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these franchises if only to put aside what made them
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successful in the first place? James Bond is absolutely the
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biggest fish among that barrel. I know people are worried
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about them making it to PC or woke James Bond
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in the 2020s when they do come to make a
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new film or new TV spinoffs or whatever. But they
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can also only change it so much without it costing
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them serious dollars in the long run. They seem to think, though,
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that they can change Stargate without costing them what established
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fans would have brought back in. Now, we've already covered
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this a bunch of times in the podcast. I don't
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need to go on about it again. We all think
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it's absolutely ridiculous. But I would argue that the idea
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that Stargate is too niche to worry about having to
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please the fans is almost exactly why you do do it.
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It is niche enough that you can build on it
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and get this new audience that Giro's show was, according
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to those who knew what it was, going to bring in.
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while also not costing you the fans that you have
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seemingly pissed off since early June. Craig's comments were backed up.
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100% yes. Now, are we ever going to see that? No,
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he might just have to let us know one day,
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but it's not like it's ever going to be released officially.
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Would I be okay with a show done by someone
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else from the original crew as showrunner like Joe? Yes,
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even Robert C. Cooper. And that's the thing, right? I
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think if we would have gotten to a stage where
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Amazon said, you're either going to get something brand new
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with no one who's ever touched it before or Robert C. Cooper.
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We have spent the better part of a decade having
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a lovingly joke shitting on Robert C. Cooper. But would
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we prefer that over someone who's never touched or looked
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at the franchise before? Absolutely not. Nicholas continues, do I
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want episodes of the week, 16 to 20 episode seasons
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with overarching plots like SG-1 and Atlantis? Yes. Or would
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I be happy with a more serialized show like Universe
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or Battlestar Galactica or Picard season three? Yes. He even
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gave himself a that's one. I don't know that we're
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in a position where anything beyond a network sitcom is
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going to give us 20 or 20 plus episode seasons,
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but I don't mind the idea of something like 16.
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I think in there, you can absolutely have the overarching
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plot while also having those, for lack of a better word,
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filler episodes. Having said that, we've talked a lot about
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through our SGU watch that this is more like what
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these sort of shows are made to be like. in
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the current TV landscape. We are going to get something
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a little bit more personal-driven, a little bit more of
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a serialized season where it's one continuous story just broken
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up into chapters. So it's probably a good thing, despite
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it being a bit of a left turn for established
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SG fans back in the late 2000s. The fact that
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we did get that change in the franchise back then
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makes that if they do something similar now, just that
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little bit easier to take in. Nicholas wraps this up
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by saying, but at the end of the day, all
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that truly matters is that it respects the current canon
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and doesn't throw all this legacy away for a reboot,
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which yet we've already established would be such a waste.
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We're talking 17 seasons, three films, even though the first
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movie is, you know, not exactly where the show ended
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up going. just to reboot and start again in the
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hope that you're going to capture some of that love
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and passion that the original franchise established over, what, 17
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year period? P.S. What I want from Get Into Gate
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is for you to cover the animated series because it's
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awful and I want to listen to you all give
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it your special kind of love. Now, when I read that, Nick,
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I think about the fact that we covered Origins and
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we shat all over that as legacy fans of the franchise.
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Rhys also watched it as a newcomer to the franchise
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And also shat on it because he realized that it
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was a pile of shit. So are you suggesting that
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we're going to be giving it that sort of love?
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Or are you more talking that it's like baseline Stargate episodes,
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whether they be SG-1, SGA, or SGU? Because if you're
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suggesting to me, as someone who has never seen a
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second of Stargate Infinity, that it is on par with
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Stargate Origins, we are in for a real treat. I'm
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open to it. I don't care if we watch one
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episode or maybe we watch the whole season and we
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do one podcast episode on it. I could almost categorically
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promise you that we are not going to do one
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podcast per one episode of that show. That's just not
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going to happen. But I'd be keen just to even
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have a look at one episode just to see what
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it's like. So we'll keep it in the suggestion box.
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John Louthar, he writes in, here's my pitch for the
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next iteration of Stargate. A small team of mercenary types
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uses found or recovered alien techs such as the alternate
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reality drive from SGA Season 5's Daedalus Variations episode, SG-1's
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first season's Quantum Mirror, and the time travel drive from
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SG-1 to track down people that do not belong in
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other realities, timelines, and the like. They come up with
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some alternate realities that we've seen, and past, present, and
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future friends and foes to connect it back to the
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original three series. They loosely work under the SGC, which
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is now housed on the Moon base. The team consists of,
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and led by, Cloniel from Fragile Ground in SG-1, and
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Unus with a Tok'ra symbiote, a replicata created by an
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alternate reality Sam Carter and Rodney McKay that were an
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item and couldn't have children, so McKay did the next
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best thing, a member of the Veneer, which of course
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is the Pegasus Galaxy Asgard types, with the spacesuit first
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seen in SGA Season 5's First Contact, and a Wraith
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hybrid from the Pegasus Galaxy. It's ragtag all the way,
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they don't get along, they all have egos and their
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own moral beliefs from very different walks of life. However,
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the SGC has something on all of them that keeps
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them under control to a degree so that they have
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to play the game. It's a dark time for the SGC,
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they've made mistakes and relocated to the moon to get
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away from the public eye. Maybe the Lucian Alliance finally
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unveiled the Stargate to the general public while the Destiny
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crew has been in stasis, which sounds a little bit
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like a not to spoil anything for Mitch, but we
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push on. People are upset and more and more comes
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out about the SGC's history and the US's unilateral control
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over its operations. Tech Mate, John Louther from San Diego. John,
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my first thought is that is a lot. Interesting. summary,
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what am I taking? That it is consisted of a clonial,
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an unis, a replicata, a member of the veneer, and
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a wraith hybrid, a part of some type of like
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suicide squad that are sent on missions a la sliders,
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and they're tracking down people that belong in or don't
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belong in different timelines. Look, I think I would prefer
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something like that be a team they come across in
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one of those episodes where they come across an alternate
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version of themselves. I don't know that I would want
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to see an entire Stargate series or season even dedicated
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to a team that's just ducking in and out of
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alternate realities trying to track down people that do and
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don't belong. It seems like a lot. I'm not saying
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it's a bad idea, but maybe not for an entire season.
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Rusty MacGyver, it's a tricky one, he says. I was
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definitely excited for a new Stargate, and Martin and Joe's
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interviews on GateWorld were making me hopeful. However, I was
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tempering my expectations. I'm a big Quantum Leap fan and
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was really disappointed with the new Giro run continuation. Couldn't
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even finish Season 2. Missed the point of the show
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and what aspects made the original good. If you put
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Giro in a lineup with Wood, DeLuise, Makita, Brad Wright,
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he's probably not your pick. But I was still pretty disappointed.
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when it was cancelled. And I think, to be honest, Rusty,
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that's exactly where we were at a point. Like, for
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as much as we've shit-canned Robert C. Cooper for years
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and years talking SG1, we've done that for a couple
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of seasons worth of SGA, and less so of SGU,
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but he still definitely gets a mention. But at the
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same time, Martin Guiro's name is attached to a brand
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new Stargate. He's going to be the creative lead, the showrunner.
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We jumped at that because we were getting something, but
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not only that, we were getting new Stargate content. from
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a former creative lead of the franchise. So you would
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hope that, from what you found from your previous dealings
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with Giro, that he wouldn't miss the point and the
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aspects that made original Stargate good by putting this new
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one together. And if anything, he kind of has a
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get-out-of-jail-free card now that he would be dealing under Amazon,
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that anything that went wrong, fans would probably just blame
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the Amazon Prime directive. Oh, no. Oh, God, I've just...
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Maddie's laughing. Moving on. Okay, Rusty continues, I think I'd
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prefer a continuation rather than a reboot, but they need
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to somehow undo the power creep of 10 plus years
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of show. I guess the power increase, right? Maybe something
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catastrophic happens which makes hyperspace no longer work. Now the
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galaxy must rely on Stargate only travel again. And then
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maybe with no space travel, new adversaries can make themselves
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known via gate travel. or they could bring Destiny into
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it since it doesn't use hyperspace. I agree that we're
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at a point now where, you know, you think about
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the first movie, and it was unlocking the Stargate, traveling
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to Abydos, and I thought that was the beginning and
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the end. It was across the other side of the
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known universe. And obviously, an hour later in storytelling, once
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we got to the premiere episode of SG-1, it was
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actually just going to a relatively nearby planet in the
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Milky Way. And then come to where we are, at
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least in my first watch through of SGU, we are
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millions and millions of light years away from the Milky
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Way galaxy with a ship that's just out there, you know,
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chasing down already dropped off Stargates. And I don't know
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where season two goes, but like we are so far away.
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We've dealt with the Wraith. We've dealt with alternate realities
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and time travel and all kinds of shit in between.
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My first thought, honestly, though, and this is going to
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be a that's one for my references, is the MCU.
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You know, we got to Avengers and we're dealing with
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real world New York, not so much grounded heroes when
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you're talking about Thor, but when you're talking about something
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like Captain America, even Iron Man, right? We're talking about
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people with just enhanced abilities or technology dealing with aliens
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invading via a portal from another point in the universe.
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It's out there, right? And then the next movie was
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dealing with Tony Stark's PTSD from the Avengers and saving
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a kidnapped president of the United States from an international terrorist.
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You have to make the more grounded stuff feel important
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within the context of its own narrative. I'm not a
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big fan of Iron Man 3, but I think it
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still worked for that story. Now, following a little step
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back up into the crazy with Thor 2, we get
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back to Captain America, the Winter Soldier, and we're dealing
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with a very grounded political thriller dealing with government secrets
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and and Nazis and government takeovers and secret agencies and
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double agents. And that is still one of the greatest
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MCU movies that they have put out yet. So just
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because you're making something smaller doesn't make it less than.
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You just have to make the smaller seem important. And
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I think Stargate does that in hindsight, right? Just because
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we've seen where Atlantis goes or even where SG-1 finished,
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it didn't make those earlier seasons where they were first
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discovering things seem redundant. They still have a lot of
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thread about them. Apophis... coming toward Earth at the end
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of Season 1 of SG-1 doesn't feel any smaller because
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we see that we're dealing with the Ori in Seasons
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9 and 10, right? Like, that still works. Having said that,
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I don't want to get to a point where we
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lose hyperspace just, like, because we need to rein that
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in just so that we start using gate travel. I
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know we talked about the idea that if they brought
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it back, Stargate, and All of a sudden, it was
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a two-way wormhole rather than just going from point A
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to point B. And Brendan said, you know, you can't
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mess with that. And he's absolutely right. You can't mess
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with the established rules of that technology just for the
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sake of changing things to, like, make something a little
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bit more complicated or make it easier. Here, I don't
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want to lose hyperspace just so that we can use
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gate travel. I think we could just start using more
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gate travel. You think about how big the Milky Way is, right?
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How big our galaxy is. We could go to sections
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in a theoretical season 11 of SG-1 or a season
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1 of Stargate Command or Stargate Prime, as Brendan wants
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to call it. We could go to another corner, if
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I'm to imagine the Milky Way galaxy as a 3D object,
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and discover a whole bunch of new races and planets
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that have never even heard of the Gould. and a
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whole new race of villains and threats. I like the idea,
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I just don't think we need to lose hyperspace to
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be able to do something like that. Gentle Knife, yep, writes,
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I say bite the bullet and just do a reboot
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in an AU, but only Matty's favourite episodes, and have
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an AI write them. Then maybe he'll shut up about
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how good emancipational politics are, which they aren't. They actually suck,
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just like Sea Patrol does. Ha ha ha, suck at
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high pitch, low pitch rules. So that might be a
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burner account for low pitch. And he's taken a little
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stab at Sea Patrol and two of Matty's favorite season
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one episodes. Obviously, most of that is a joke. We're
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not going to get into the AI of it, so
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we're going to move on. But thank you, Gentle Knife.
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Brad Marl says, I'd prefer the Gyro series instead of
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what we are going to get. You guys are right.
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They're going to do a cheaper AI. Okay, we've gotten
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straight back into the AI. They're going to do a
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cheaper AI created series with no name actors. And when
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fans condemn it, they will blame us for wanting it,
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but not supporting it. I think that's a problem at
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the moment that I've been worried about is that we
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know when we say hashtag save Stargate, we're talking about
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the Gyro-led Stargate. We're not saying save Stargate as a
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franchise because they haven't said they're not going to do
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anything with it. And I still don't think with the
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cancellation that means they're not going to do anything with it.
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So if they turn around next week and say we're
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giving you a brand new series, it's not going to
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continue on the canon, mythology, anything, it's brand new. We're
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going to fire up and be angry again because that's
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obviously not what we meant with hashtag save Stargate. I mean,
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I hope they don't do AI. You'd think if they
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actually went to AI and said, create us something that
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people would want, the internet would quickly inform the AI,
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other fans want a continuation, and we need to get
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back to the original decision of giving Giro his own
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series to lead. But anyway, I don't mind the idea
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of no-name actors, because aside from Richard Dean Anderson, which
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when I started watching Stargate SG-1, I was like 12
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years old, so I'd seen a handful of MacGyver episodes.
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But other than that, I don't know any of these
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actors from anything else before I was watching them in Stargate.
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We get to SGU. Obviously, I know some Robert Carlyle
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and a bunch of other actors in there. But generally speaking,
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most of the cast between SG-1 and SGA, I'd never
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seen before. And they are those characters to me. So
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I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in no-name actors.
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I know we've toyed with the idea of bringing in
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like a Jensen Ackles or someone that we've been a
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fan of. within these sorts of shows, these long-running, long-episode-per-season shows,
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to come in and be a Jack O'Neill-type lead, someone
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who can handle serious with the humor and everything that
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comes with that tone in a show like this. But
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I don't think they need it. I do agree, though,
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with your final point there, Brad. If we get Stargate
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and then we don't like it, they will go, well,
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what else do you want from us? Especially if they
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give us the thing that we told them in the
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first place that we didn't want... You know, we're just
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sci-fi fans and it'll be our fault. Kim Stevens, I
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would have liked to see where Giro took the series
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as a continuation from the original three. I hope we
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don't get anything else now unless Amazon sell it to
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another platform and they bring on some OGs. That's where
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a lot of people are at at the moment. It's like, well,
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they almost don't want to see Amazon make it now
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because you've shown that you don't care enough about it
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to give us the thing that you initially told us
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you were going to give us. And now we're at
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a point where maybe you should just not give us anything.
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I'm of the mind that, yeah, sell it off. Keep
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your MGM, but sell off the parts if you want.
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And I'm a massive fan of Apple. Now, Dark Matter
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has just premiered season two. I've not seen a second
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of Dark Matter. I hear so many good things. But
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as far as sci-fi goes, I am such a big
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fan of Foundation. Pound for pound, I think Apple is
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the best streamer out there for its original content. The
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amount of original content they have is... is nowhere near
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as much as Netflix's original or Disney's original or Amazon's original,
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hardly enough. But I think pound for pound, what they
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pump out, the quality is right up there. And foundation
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for me, I've never read the original text, but my God,
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that pilot episode, I think is my favorite. favorite pilot
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episode of TV ever. One of my favorite television episodes ever.
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The world, the universe building that they do in one
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episode alone, the visual effects are outstanding. They are seamless.
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I love the start. of Foundation. I haven't seen the
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end of season three or anything, so I'm still behind,
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but what they did to establish that show with an
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existing IP, I know it had never been made into
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this sort of television show in the modern day, but
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they have shown that they can give care to different genres.
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And you know what, Prime, you don't want Stargate? Give
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it to Apple, who are gonna put a bunch of
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budget behind it, put a bit of care into it,
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and might actually bring on some creatives so they have
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to do less of the work themselves. Kimio says, I'd
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love to see Stargate happening in the now as that's
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what's made it different from the other shows. I agree.
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How it reflects and challenges our place and existence with
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the universe, allies, ourselves, especially with what's happened real world
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the last five to 10 years. I don't quite know
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what that means story-wise. I'll leave that up to the experts,
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but I'm happy seeing a new team or in the
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least a new character that reintroduces us to where the
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Stargate program is at and what it is now, wherever
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in the universe that may be. and I think there's
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plenty of room to make it accessible to all viewers,
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but I never considered AU Stories. I just would love
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to see heroes with humor and humanity back, but with
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a bit of celebration of geekiness thrown in. My money
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is still on Brad Wright having something up his sleeve
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at some point, but after this with Giro, I don't
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know how a future with OG creators would be taken on,
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but I have hope. My first question is, when you
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talk about what's happened over the last five or ten
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years in the real world, my first thought always goes to, politically.
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Maybe you don't mean politically, especially in the US climate
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where the SGC obviously being in America, whether we would
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delve in. I know a lot of people would have
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a problem with just leave politics out of it. It's like, yeah,
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because sci-fi has never done that. But I understand what
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they mean because We went through a bunch of different
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presidents and political figures in the Stargate franchise. We didn't
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ever really know which way they voted. Some of them
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we can guess. But, you know, that was never part
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of why. I've had a similar thought to something that
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you were suggesting there, which is like a new team
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or at least a new character that reintroduces to where
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the Stargate program is at, wherever it is now, like,
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I've got, like, the opening scene in my head of, like,
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basically the SGC is under white sheets. Everything in there
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has been covered up. The SGC has been shut down.
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I don't know why I never got that far through,
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but I just like the idea that we haven't seen
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fresh Stargate content in, sorry, Matty, for saying content, 15 years,
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and then we get a brand new show, and we're not,
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as an audience, having to catch up on 15 years
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of seemingly mundane and somewhat meaningless events. You know what
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I mean? Like, we spent the better part of 14
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years dealing with the Gould and the Ori and the
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Wraith and all these other bad guys and these explorations
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that gave us technology which were dangerous to us and
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the illnesses that we brought back all this sort of
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stuff happens and yet then we might go 15 years
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with nothing significantly bad happening along the way or even
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significantly good we haven't picked up amazing technology because I
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think if you jump too far from what Stargate was
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then you do start to lose and those original fans
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having to all of a sudden catch up on a
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franchise that they were very much living through with for
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17 years, and then you're going to give us a
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15-year break and tell us there's so much to catch
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up on. You can do it a little bit. I
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just don't think you can do it a lot. So
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part of me wants to see something where the SGC
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has been shut down for a couple of years. I
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don't know why. I don't know what brings it back.
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I like the early suggestion of maybe moving it to
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the moon. Let's have all the threats go to the
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moon first, you know? I mean, we don't want the
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moon blowing up. We don't want the consequences of that,
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that affecting, you know, the climate on the earth. But
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I like the change. And then Council Scribe Scribblings, as
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he's known, writes, or her, she, after what I've read
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and heard, I want a reboot without any movie or
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TV people, new people, new ideas, reasoning, pick some of
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the new Doctor Who, Star Trek and Star Wars over
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the last 20 years. So he's there saying, look at
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what has happened to sci-fi franchises that we've loved in
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modern TV today. Matty will attest that to Star Trek,
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there is very little Star Trek that he has liked
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in the last 20 years. I will say that maybe
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even longer. You're going to have to ask him. There's
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episodes here and there, a season of a show where
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he's been kind of partial to. I'm not a big
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Doctor Who guy. I don't know that I've ever seen
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an episode, but I know that obviously goes through many changes.
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this sort of stuff, but I can definitely see where
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a lot of people... wouldn't be, and I do sympathize
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with you at the same time. So I still would
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hesitate to go, rather than go down the path that
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Star Wars and Star Trek and Doctor Who have went
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through by continuing on with new voices, just give us
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something brand new and fresh and leave the old stuff behind.
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I just know that myself would be looking for some
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type of, not closure on what we got before, but
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I would feel like there was a connective tissue that
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could have been, that should have been, that we didn't get.
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We get a lot of great answers there from, obviously, rebooting,
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keep a continuation, give it to somebody else, give it
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to another creative lead. And that's maybe the beauty of
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what's happened in the cancellation, right? We got told we
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were getting a Gyro-led fourth series that would be a
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continuation on of the mythology and the canon already established,
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and we were just waiting to see what that would be.
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Now that we've found out that we're not getting that,
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we all have different ideas of what could be next
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and what should be next. If any of that should
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teach any of us anything, it's to keep fighting the fight.
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Keep talking about hashtag safe Stargate. Keep supporting campaigns. Keep
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the noise going. It may not get us anywhere, but
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it's going to do better than saying absolutely nothing. I'm
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going to get back to saying more of nothing because
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I'm wrapping this up. We will be back next episode
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to talk about episode one of season two of Stargate Universe. Thankfully,
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enough of me. Back with Maddie and Brendan, the actual
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voices of Get Into Geek. We'll see you then. Okay, bye.
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Get Into Geek. Get Into Geek. Get into gate, Stargate.
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And send me some aspirin.
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Get Into Gate, episode number... No, it's a special one,
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as you can see by the title of the podcast.
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I've been out of the country. It's a hashtag blame
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Mitch situation since I've gotten back into the country. Struggled
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to find a little bit of a time to get
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together and record episode one of season two of Stargate Universe,
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which I'm very keen to get back into again. But
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we wanted to get something out, and there's been a
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new show was going to be about before Amazon came
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out and famously cancelled it! Sorry, we're still not over it.
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our Patreon asking our patrons, which actually was available to
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anyone that would like to go on and visit patreon.com
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forward slash get into gate. What Do you want From
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New Stargate? At this point, we're not getting one. I
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think it's crazy to think we're not going to get one. Obviously,
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the cancellation recently was about the Martin Guiro-led continuation, another
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series set within the same mythology. They never come out
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and said they were never... I mean, they haven't really
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come out and said anything at this point, have they?
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Amazon have said, we are never going to do Stargate.
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new Stargate, which is the fight that a lot of
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us fans have been fighting for, right? Is to get
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the Stargate series that was going to come from the
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heads of old. A lot of the old creatives coming
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back on board to respect what was done before and
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hopefully take us into a bright, brand new future for Stargate.
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on our podcast alone. I know that myself and Maddie
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were just going to come out and cancel this, you
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know what, don't even bother at this point because it
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you're just going to stain what has become such a
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staple in our love of sci-fi and our love of
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anything television, our favorite TV show of all time for
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a lot of us. maybe it's a good thing that
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Amazon aren't making this new show. As much as that
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hurts to say, and I mean, nothing they do or
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don't do is ever going to affect what we have
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already watched and loved over the last 30 years within
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the franchise. But because we do love it, we obviously
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want to see more. So we put out a post
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on our Patreon page. Again, jump on board, patreon.com forward
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slash get into gate. You decide what's next for Stargate.
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what do you guys want? Where do you feel like
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that Prime didn't go ahead at all? Are you happy
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they didn't go ahead with the Martin Giro-led series? Would
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you like to see it go somewhere else? Would you
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like to just see it end now and maybe never
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get another Stargate and just continue to love what we've
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already been given in the past? Craig, who's only on
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the podcast over the last two episodes, was first to
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chime in and said, Personally, I wanted the Giro-led Stargate.
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it was the first comment to come through, but it
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was also the one that garnered the most likes from
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people who saw it. And, look, let's be honest. We
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spent six months thinking we were getting this build-on from
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the established continuity. We got used to the idea. We
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got used to the idea of who was writing it.
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that Stargate was just one small piece of a giant
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bundle that is MGM that Amazon Prime bought. But why
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these franchises if only to put aside what made them
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successful in the first place? James Bond is absolutely the
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biggest fish among that barrel. I know people are worried
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about them making it to PC or woke James Bond
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in the 2020s when they do come to make a
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new film or new TV spinoffs or whatever. But they
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can also only change it so much without it costing
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them serious dollars in the long run. They seem to think, though,
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that they can change Stargate without costing them what established
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fans would have brought back in. Now, we've already covered
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this a bunch of times in the podcast. I don't
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need to go on about it again. We all think
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it's absolutely ridiculous. But I would argue that the idea
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that Stargate is too niche to worry about having to
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please the fans is almost exactly why you do do it.
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to those who knew what it was, going to bring in.
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seemingly pissed off since early June. Craig's comments were backed up.
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100% yes. Now, are we ever going to see that? No,
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he might just have to let us know one day,
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even Robert C. Cooper. And that's the thing, right? I
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with no one who's ever touched it before or Robert C. Cooper.
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a lovingly joke shitting on Robert C. Cooper. But would
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we prefer that over someone who's never touched or looked
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at the franchise before? Absolutely not. Nicholas continues, do I
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want episodes of the week, 16 to 20 episode seasons
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with overarching plots like SG-1 and Atlantis? Yes. Or would
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or Battlestar Galactica or Picard season three? Yes. He even
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gave himself a that's one. I don't know that we're
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in a position where anything beyond a network sitcom is
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going to give us 20 or 20 plus episode seasons,
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filler episodes. Having said that, we've talked a lot about
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through our SGU watch that this is more like what
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these sort of shows are made to be like. in
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the current TV landscape. We are going to get something
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a serialized season where it's one continuous story just broken
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up into chapters. So it's probably a good thing, despite
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it being a bit of a left turn for established
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SG fans back in the late 2000s. The fact that
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little bit easier to take in. Nicholas wraps this up
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by saying, but at the end of the day, all
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that truly matters is that it respects the current canon
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which yet we've already established would be such a waste.
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movie is, you know, not exactly where the show ended
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up going. just to reboot and start again in the
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hope that you're going to capture some of that love
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and passion that the original franchise established over, what, 17
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year period? P.S. What I want from Get Into Gate
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awful and I want to listen to you all give
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it your special kind of love. Now, when I read that, Nick,
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I think about the fact that we covered Origins and
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we shat all over that as legacy fans of the franchise.
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was a pile of shit. So are you suggesting that
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we're going to be giving it that sort of love?
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whether they be SG-1, SGA, or SGU? Because if you're
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suggesting to me, as someone who has never seen a
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second of Stargate Infinity, that it is on par with
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Stargate Origins, we are in for a real treat. I'm
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open to it. I don't care if we watch one
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episode or maybe we watch the whole season and we
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do one podcast episode on it. I could almost categorically
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promise you that we are not going to do one
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podcast per one episode of that show. That's just not
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going to happen. But I'd be keen just to even
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have a look at one episode just to see what
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it's like. So we'll keep it in the suggestion box.
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next iteration of Stargate. A small team of mercenary types
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uses found or recovered alien techs such as the alternate
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reality drive from SGA Season 5's Daedalus Variations episode, SG-1's
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first season's Quantum Mirror, and the time travel drive from
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SG-1 to track down people that do not belong in
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other realities, timelines, and the like. They come up with
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some alternate realities that we've seen, and past, present, and
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future friends and foes to connect it back to the
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original three series. They loosely work under the SGC, which
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is now housed on the Moon base. The team consists of,
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and led by, Cloniel from Fragile Ground in SG-1, and
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Unus with a Tok'ra symbiote, a replicata created by an
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alternate reality Sam Carter and Rodney McKay that were an
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item and couldn't have children, so McKay did the next
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best thing, a member of the Veneer, which of course
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is the Pegasus Galaxy Asgard types, with the spacesuit first
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seen in SGA Season 5's First Contact, and a Wraith
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hybrid from the Pegasus Galaxy. It's ragtag all the way,
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they don't get along, they all have egos and their
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own moral beliefs from very different walks of life. However,
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the SGC has something on all of them that keeps
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them under control to a degree so that they have
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to play the game. It's a dark time for the SGC,
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they've made mistakes and relocated to the moon to get
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away from the public eye. Maybe the Lucian Alliance finally
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unveiled the Stargate to the general public while the Destiny
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crew has been in stasis, which sounds a little bit
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like a not to spoil anything for Mitch, but we
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push on. People are upset and more and more comes
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out about the SGC's history and the US's unilateral control
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over its operations. Tech Mate, John Louther from San Diego. John,
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my first thought is that is a lot. Interesting. summary,
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what am I taking? That it is consisted of a clonial,
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an unis, a replicata, a member of the veneer, and
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a wraith hybrid, a part of some type of like
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suicide squad that are sent on missions a la sliders,
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and they're tracking down people that belong in or don't
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belong in different timelines. Look, I think I would prefer
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something like that be a team they come across in
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one of those episodes where they come across an alternate
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version of themselves. I don't know that I would want
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to see an entire Stargate series or season even dedicated
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to a team that's just ducking in and out of
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alternate realities trying to track down people that do and
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don't belong. It seems like a lot. I'm not saying
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it's a bad idea, but maybe not for an entire season.
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Rusty MacGyver, it's a tricky one, he says. I was
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definitely excited for a new Stargate, and Martin and Joe's
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interviews on GateWorld were making me hopeful. However, I was
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tempering my expectations. I'm a big Quantum Leap fan and
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was really disappointed with the new Giro run continuation. Couldn't
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even finish Season 2. Missed the point of the show
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and what aspects made the original good. If you put
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Giro in a lineup with Wood, DeLuise, Makita, Brad Wright,
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he's probably not your pick. But I was still pretty disappointed.
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when it was cancelled. And I think, to be honest, Rusty,
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that's exactly where we were at a point. Like, for
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as much as we've shit-canned Robert C. Cooper for years
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and years talking SG1, we've done that for a couple
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of seasons worth of SGA, and less so of SGU,
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but he still definitely gets a mention. But at the
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same time, Martin Guiro's name is attached to a brand
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new Stargate. He's going to be the creative lead, the showrunner.
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We jumped at that because we were getting something, but
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not only that, we were getting new Stargate content. from
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a former creative lead of the franchise. So you would
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hope that, from what you found from your previous dealings
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with Giro, that he wouldn't miss the point and the
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aspects that made original Stargate good by putting this new
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one together. And if anything, he kind of has a
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get-out-of-jail-free card now that he would be dealing under Amazon,
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that anything that went wrong, fans would probably just blame
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the Amazon Prime directive. Oh, no. Oh, God, I've just...
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Maddie's laughing. Moving on. Okay, Rusty continues, I think I'd
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prefer a continuation rather than a reboot, but they need
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to somehow undo the power creep of 10 plus years
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of show. I guess the power increase, right? Maybe something
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catastrophic happens which makes hyperspace no longer work. Now the
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galaxy must rely on Stargate only travel again. And then
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maybe with no space travel, new adversaries can make themselves
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known via gate travel. or they could bring Destiny into
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it since it doesn't use hyperspace. I agree that we're
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at a point now where, you know, you think about
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the first movie, and it was unlocking the Stargate, traveling
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to Abydos, and I thought that was the beginning and
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the end. It was across the other side of the
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known universe. And obviously, an hour later in storytelling, once
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we got to the premiere episode of SG-1, it was
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actually just going to a relatively nearby planet in the
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Milky Way. And then come to where we are, at
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least in my first watch through of SGU, we are
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millions and millions of light years away from the Milky
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Way galaxy with a ship that's just out there, you know,
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chasing down already dropped off Stargates. And I don't know
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where season two goes, but like we are so far away.
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We've dealt with the Wraith. We've dealt with alternate realities
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and time travel and all kinds of shit in between.
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My first thought, honestly, though, and this is going to
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be a that's one for my references, is the MCU.
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real world New York, not so much grounded heroes when
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you're talking about Thor, but when you're talking about something
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like Captain America, even Iron Man, right? We're talking about
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people with just enhanced abilities or technology dealing with aliens
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invading via a portal from another point in the universe.
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It's out there, right? And then the next movie was
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dealing with Tony Stark's PTSD from the Avengers and saving
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a kidnapped president of the United States from an international terrorist.
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You have to make the more grounded stuff feel important
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within the context of its own narrative. I'm not a
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big fan of Iron Man 3, but I think it
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still worked for that story. Now, following a little step
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back up into the crazy with Thor 2, we get
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back to Captain America, the Winter Soldier, and we're dealing
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with a very grounded political thriller dealing with government secrets
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and and Nazis and government takeovers and secret agencies and
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double agents. And that is still one of the greatest
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MCU movies that they have put out yet. So just
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because you're making something smaller doesn't make it less than.
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You just have to make the smaller seem important. And
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I think Stargate does that in hindsight, right? Just because
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we've seen where Atlantis goes or even where SG-1 finished,
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it didn't make those earlier seasons where they were first
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discovering things seem redundant. They still have a lot of
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thread about them. Apophis... coming toward Earth at the end
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of Season 1 of SG-1 doesn't feel any smaller because
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we see that we're dealing with the Ori in Seasons
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9 and 10, right? Like, that still works. Having said that,
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I don't want to get to a point where we
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lose hyperspace just, like, because we need to rein that
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in just so that we start using gate travel. I
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know we talked about the idea that if they brought
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it back, Stargate, and All of a sudden, it was
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a two-way wormhole rather than just going from point A
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to point B. And Brendan said, you know, you can't
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mess with that. And he's absolutely right. You can't mess
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with the established rules of that technology just for the
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sake of changing things to, like, make something a little
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bit more complicated or make it easier. Here, I don't
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want to lose hyperspace just so that we can use
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gate travel. I think we could just start using more
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gate travel. You think about how big the Milky Way is, right?
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How big our galaxy is. We could go to sections
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in a theoretical season 11 of SG-1 or a season
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1 of Stargate Command or Stargate Prime, as Brendan wants
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to call it. We could go to another corner, if
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I'm to imagine the Milky Way galaxy as a 3D object,
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and discover a whole bunch of new races and planets
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that have never even heard of the Gould. and a
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whole new race of villains and threats. I like the idea,
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I just don't think we need to lose hyperspace to
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be able to do something like that. Gentle Knife, yep, writes,
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I say bite the bullet and just do a reboot
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in an AU, but only Matty's favourite episodes, and have
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an AI write them. Then maybe he'll shut up about
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how good emancipational politics are, which they aren't. They actually suck,
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just like Sea Patrol does. Ha ha ha, suck at
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high pitch, low pitch rules. So that might be a
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burner account for low pitch. And he's taken a little
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stab at Sea Patrol and two of Matty's favorite season
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one episodes. Obviously, most of that is a joke. We're
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not going to get into the AI of it, so
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we're going to move on. But thank you, Gentle Knife.
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Brad Marl says, I'd prefer the Gyro series instead of
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what we are going to get. You guys are right.
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They're going to do a cheaper AI. Okay, we've gotten
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straight back into the AI. They're going to do a
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cheaper AI created series with no name actors. And when
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fans condemn it, they will blame us for wanting it,
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but not supporting it. I think that's a problem at
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the moment that I've been worried about is that we
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know when we say hashtag save Stargate, we're talking about
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the Gyro-led Stargate. We're not saying save Stargate as a
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franchise because they haven't said they're not going to do
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anything with it. And I still don't think with the
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cancellation that means they're not going to do anything with it.
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So if they turn around next week and say we're
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giving you a brand new series, it's not going to
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continue on the canon, mythology, anything, it's brand new. We're
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going to fire up and be angry again because that's
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obviously not what we meant with hashtag save Stargate. I mean,
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I hope they don't do AI. You'd think if they
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actually went to AI and said, create us something that
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people would want, the internet would quickly inform the AI,
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other fans want a continuation, and we need to get
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back to the original decision of giving Giro his own
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series to lead. But anyway, I don't mind the idea
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of no-name actors, because aside from Richard Dean Anderson, which
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when I started watching Stargate SG-1, I was like 12
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years old, so I'd seen a handful of MacGyver episodes.
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actors from anything else before I was watching them in Stargate.
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We get to SGU. Obviously, I know some Robert Carlyle
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and a bunch of other actors in there. But generally speaking,
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most of the cast between SG-1 and SGA, I'd never
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seen before. And they are those characters to me. So
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I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in no-name actors.
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I know we've toyed with the idea of bringing in
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like a Jensen Ackles or someone that we've been a
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fan of. within these sorts of shows, these long-running, long-episode-per-season shows,
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to come in and be a Jack O'Neill-type lead, someone
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who can handle serious with the humor and everything that
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comes with that tone in a show like this. But
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I don't think they need it. I do agree, though,
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with your final point there, Brad. If we get Stargate
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and then we don't like it, they will go, well,
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what else do you want from us? Especially if they
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give us the thing that we told them in the
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first place that we didn't want... You know, we're just
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sci-fi fans and it'll be our fault. Kim Stevens, I
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would have liked to see where Giro took the series
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as a continuation from the original three. I hope we
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don't get anything else now unless Amazon sell it to
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another platform and they bring on some OGs. That's where
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a lot of people are at at the moment. It's like, well,
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they almost don't want to see Amazon make it now
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because you've shown that you don't care enough about it
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to give us the thing that you initially told us
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you were going to give us. And now we're at
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a point where maybe you should just not give us anything.
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I'm of the mind that, yeah, sell it off. Keep
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your MGM, but sell off the parts if you want.
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And I'm a massive fan of Apple. Now, Dark Matter
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has just premiered season two. I've not seen a second
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of Dark Matter. I hear so many good things. But
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as far as sci-fi goes, I am such a big
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fan of Foundation. Pound for pound, I think Apple is
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the best streamer out there for its original content. The
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amount of original content they have is... is nowhere near
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as much as Netflix's original or Disney's original or Amazon's original,
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hardly enough. But I think pound for pound, what they
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pump out, the quality is right up there. And foundation
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for me, I've never read the original text, but my God,
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that pilot episode, I think is my favorite. favorite pilot
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episode of TV ever. One of my favorite television episodes ever.
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The world, the universe building that they do in one
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episode alone, the visual effects are outstanding. They are seamless.
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I love the start. of Foundation. I haven't seen the
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end of season three or anything, so I'm still behind,
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but what they did to establish that show with an
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existing IP, I know it had never been made into
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this sort of television show in the modern day, but
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they have shown that they can give care to different genres.
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And you know what, Prime, you don't want Stargate? Give
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it to Apple, who are gonna put a bunch of
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budget behind it, put a bit of care into it,
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and might actually bring on some creatives so they have
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to do less of the work themselves. Kimio says, I'd
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love to see Stargate happening in the now as that's
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what's made it different from the other shows. I agree.
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How it reflects and challenges our place and existence with
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the universe, allies, ourselves, especially with what's happened real world
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the last five to 10 years. I don't quite know
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what that means story-wise. I'll leave that up to the experts,
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but I'm happy seeing a new team or in the
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least a new character that reintroduces us to where the
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Stargate program is at and what it is now, wherever
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in the universe that may be. and I think there's
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plenty of room to make it accessible to all viewers,
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but I never considered AU Stories. I just would love
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to see heroes with humor and humanity back, but with
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a bit of celebration of geekiness thrown in. My money
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is still on Brad Wright having something up his sleeve
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at some point, but after this with Giro, I don't
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know how a future with OG creators would be taken on,
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but I have hope. My first question is, when you
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talk about what's happened over the last five or ten
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years in the real world, my first thought always goes to, politically.
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Maybe you don't mean politically, especially in the US climate
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where the SGC obviously being in America, whether we would
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delve in. I know a lot of people would have
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a problem with just leave politics out of it. It's like, yeah,
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because sci-fi has never done that. But I understand what
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they mean because We went through a bunch of different
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presidents and political figures in the Stargate franchise. We didn't
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ever really know which way they voted. Some of them
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we can guess. But, you know, that was never part
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of why. I've had a similar thought to something that
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you were suggesting there, which is like a new team
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or at least a new character that reintroduces to where
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the Stargate program is at, wherever it is now, like,
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I've got, like, the opening scene in my head of, like,
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basically the SGC is under white sheets. Everything in there
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has been covered up. The SGC has been shut down.
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I don't know why I never got that far through,
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but I just like the idea that we haven't seen
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fresh Stargate content in, sorry, Matty, for saying content, 15 years,
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and then we get a brand new show, and we're not,
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as an audience, having to catch up on 15 years
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of seemingly mundane and somewhat meaningless events. You know what
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I mean? Like, we spent the better part of 14
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years dealing with the Gould and the Ori and the
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Wraith and all these other bad guys and these explorations
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that gave us technology which were dangerous to us and
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the illnesses that we brought back all this sort of
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stuff happens and yet then we might go 15 years
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with nothing significantly bad happening along the way or even
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significantly good we haven't picked up amazing technology because I
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think if you jump too far from what Stargate was
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then you do start to lose and those original fans
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having to all of a sudden catch up on a
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franchise that they were very much living through with for
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17 years, and then you're going to give us a
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15-year break and tell us there's so much to catch
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up on. You can do it a little bit. I
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just don't think you can do it a lot. So
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part of me wants to see something where the SGC
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has been shut down for a couple of years. I
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don't know why. I don't know what brings it back.
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I like the early suggestion of maybe moving it to
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the moon. Let's have all the threats go to the
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moon first, you know? I mean, we don't want the
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moon blowing up. We don't want the consequences of that,
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that affecting, you know, the climate on the earth. But
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I like the change. And then Council Scribe Scribblings, as
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he's known, writes, or her, she, after what I've read
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and heard, I want a reboot without any movie or
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TV people, new people, new ideas, reasoning, pick some of
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the new Doctor Who, Star Trek and Star Wars over
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the last 20 years. So he's there saying, look at
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what has happened to sci-fi franchises that we've loved in
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modern TV today. Matty will attest that to Star Trek,
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there is very little Star Trek that he has liked
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in the last 20 years. I will say that maybe
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even longer. You're going to have to ask him. There's
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episodes here and there, a season of a show where
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he's been kind of partial to. I'm not a big
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Doctor Who guy. I don't know that I've ever seen
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an episode, but I know that obviously goes through many changes.
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And Star Wars. I'm a fan of a lot of
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this sort of stuff, but I can definitely see where
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a lot of people... wouldn't be, and I do sympathize
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with you at the same time. So I still would
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hesitate to go, rather than go down the path that
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Star Wars and Star Trek and Doctor Who have went
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through by continuing on with new voices, just give us
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something brand new and fresh and leave the old stuff behind.
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I just know that myself would be looking for some
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type of, not closure on what we got before, but
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I would feel like there was a connective tissue that
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could have been, that should have been, that we didn't get.
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And I would just have so many questions of what if.
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We get a lot of great answers there from, obviously, rebooting,
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keep a continuation, give it to somebody else, give it
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to another creative lead. And that's maybe the beauty of
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what's happened in the cancellation, right? We got told we
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were getting a Gyro-led fourth series that would be a
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continuation on of the mythology and the canon already established,
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and we were just waiting to see what that would be.
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Now that we've found out that we're not getting that,
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we all have different ideas of what could be next
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and what should be next. If any of that should
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teach any of us anything, it's to keep fighting the fight.
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Keep talking about hashtag safe Stargate. Keep supporting campaigns. Keep
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the noise going. It may not get us anywhere, but
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it's going to do better than saying absolutely nothing. I'm
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going to get back to saying more of nothing because
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I'm wrapping this up. We will be back next episode
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to talk about episode one of season two of Stargate Universe. Thankfully,
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enough of me. Back with Maddie and Brendan, the actual
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voices of Get Into Geek. We'll see you then. Okay, bye.
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Get Into Geek. Get Into Geek. Get into gate, Stargate.
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And send me some aspirin.
