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Welcome to garden views interesting conversations with
interesting people who have done and or are
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doing interesting things. So sit back
and enjoy. Welcome everyone into the garden.
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And this week we're welcoming in Stephen
Schwartz. He's an author on many
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subjects, and today the topic that
we sort of had penciled in was futurism
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and humanity, which of course can
mean a lot of things. So without
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further ado, I want to invite
well introduced Stephen and say hello and good
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evening. Stephen. How are you
today? I'm doing fine, Jeff,
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It's Stefan and I'm doing very well, and I hope you are too.
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Okay, my apologize to that Stefan. If you want to give like a
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brief rundown on your you know,
your expertise, your background, your education,
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et cetera hope of glory, U
go to Stephanie Schwartz dot com download
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by CB. It's twenty pages long. You know, I have been I
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don't even know where to start.
I do re I'm a research scientist,
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I an experimentalist. I am interested
in I'm intercud with so many things that
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film. Right now, I am
focused on flustering well being, and I'm
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very concerned about the United States.
I'm concerned about the whole world, but
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particularly the United States. I am
interested in how consciousness can change cup.
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Sure. I mean I don't even
have to answer that, Jeff, Okay,
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that's fine. We can. We
can move off of that my opiate
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question and get into the more,
into more of the conversation and probably get
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close enough just through that kind of
talking. So you indicate that you're concerned
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about the whole world, but especially
in the United States. So I think
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this show, while it's not limited
to the United States, I'd say probably
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at least sixty percent of the audience
is in the United States. So let's
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start with that. What are your
particular concerns regarding the United States? And
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just for the sake of time,
because this podcast will exist forever. It
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is March of twenty twenty four.
My concerns are that about a third of
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the Americans no longer support democracy.
I'm very see let's see how to get
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into this. About a third of
Americans don't understand what fascist is and are
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in support of crystal fascism. It's
brought on, I think because of the
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precognitive fear of what climate change is
going to do is causing the change throughout
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the world shifting to authoritarianism. Because
when people become frightened, they like to
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have the leaders that tell them I
have certain knowledge and if we do this,
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then we'll get a very particular outcome. That's what's created what I now
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call the Trump crystal fascist Party.
The difficulty is that about third Americans are
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a part of this, about fifteen
only about fifteen percent of them. I
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have college graduates, our college graduates, About twenty four percent of Americans can't
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read above sixth grade level. Forty
three percent can't read above fifth grade level.
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Sixth grade level is the man walked
across the street, So they're not
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capable of understanding No, I don't
know the Washington Post, for Time Magazine,
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the New York Times. They're also
enumerant, so they can't calculate fractions,
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so they couldn't understand a gallop party, a gallop or survey or a
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few research center survey. About thirty
percent can't even name the three branches of
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government. So what's happened is we
have become a country that is not interested
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in social well being as it was
created. What the founders had in mind.
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We have only one social priority,
and that's profit and greed and power,
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and so I think we've lost our
way. I am very concerned that
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Donald Trump might be elected despite the
fact that he's a convicted felon and all
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he's a rapist and all the rest
of it, because he will and what
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I call the DCP, the Trump
Crystal Fascist Party, what used to be
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called the Republican Party, will give
way to authoritarianism and this will be the
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last actual democratic democracy election that we
have. I'm also very concerned that we
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are facing unpressed, indented, and
catastrophic change because of what we have done
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to the Earth's matrix of consciousness,
and that we don't understand that we're not
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prepared for it. That we're going
to have three big migrations in the United
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States. You can already see it
starting away from the coasts. It'll be
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brought on by the failure to be
able to get insurance for your house.
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It's already started in Florida. So
movement away from the coasts, out of
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the Southwest because of lack of water
and because of temperatures that are unendurable,
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and out of the Central States because
of cataclysmic weather events. This is all
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of this is causing what I call
the Great schism trend. You can see
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it in the separation of the Red
Blue States. We're basically becoming two countries
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under a single nation. And that's
part of why the Congress has become almost
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dysfunctional. Well, there's a luck
there. I don't know. Yeah,
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that's a lot. It's a lot
to unpacked. And you know, it
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reminds me of something that my father
said, data base. By the way,
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it's very important that I tell you
I don't care about political partisanship except
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anthropologically. What I care about is
actual, objectively verifiable data, and it's
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something flustering well being. Yeah,
opinions can vary, but numbers tend not
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to lie. As I was said
about forty years ago, my father out
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at the dinner table, by the
way, if you ask him that,
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he doesn't remember saying. It was
talking about the separation between the rich and
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the uber rich and everyone else,
which has only been exacerbated, you know,
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probably three or four times over since
then. But he said, you
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know, it's not sustainable. We're
going to become Argentina. And you know,
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about forty years ago, I was
fifteen. Maybe it was thirty nine
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to thirty eight years ago. I
didn't really know what that mant I mean.
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You know, I knew certain countries
had aristocracies and most everyone else was
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poor. But you know, as
an American kid living in the suburbs,
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I didn't know what that means.
I know exactly what it means, and
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I agree with him one hundred percent. Now unfortunately he doesn't really remember the
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wisdom of what he said then,
but he agrees with it. But it
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does that trend in and of itself, as I see it as like a
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dual part. One of it fits
into what you're saying, is the only
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thing that we seem to value is
wealth, or even perceived wealth, because
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a lot of people who live wealthy
frankly false, they're full of it.
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I know a lot of people who
are wealthy who ended up in federal prison,
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fled, or file bankruptcy, and
you were wondering how they were living
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so high for a while. The
other aspect is that the same people who
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I think maybe feed into this fascism, this looking for a strong man kind
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of leader. While they while they
decry the elites or are usually thought to
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be wealthy, and powerful. They
also respect there or almost worshiped, their
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particular elite. So it could be
Donald Trump, it could be Elon Musk,
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it could be Tucker Carlson, it
could be I don't know, it
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could be the King of England,
whatever it's. You know, whoever you
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decide is your particular elite, they're
okay. It's almost like the old thing
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where nobody liked their nobody like Congress, but everyone liked their Congress person.
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The other thing is that this has
sort of been a long time brewing.
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And then I understand you're talking from
an anthropological perspective, but one of my
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views is that Congress hasn't done its
job for a long time, and they've
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almost forced the courts to become too
politicized, and they've also almost forced presidents
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to expand executive power, and those
two things together sort of may Congress seem
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marginal and let the people's houses the
representative aspects of government a little bit off
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the hook. And so we've sort
of been slowly marching into this strong man
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camp for a while. And it's
easier to galvanize around one figure than it
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is a court of nine people.
And of course with the court of nine
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people, chances are you only agree
with maybe half of them anyway, so
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that's always going to be polarized.
So I don't mean to steal any of
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your thunder, but just some things
I'm noticing that fit into the trend.
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I think, as far as this
conversation is concerned, it's probably a good
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place to start with. You said, I think you use the phrase eco
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consciousness. What do you mean by
eco consciousness and and how does climate change
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fit in with that? Well,
I didn't say eco consciousness, but that's
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perfectly good term. What I mean
by climate change is that we're about to
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undergo as anybody who bothers to do
the research ten minutes worth of a Google
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search will very quickly come to understand
that we're going to go through cataclysmic weather
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change because of the abuse that we
have done to the planet. I mean,
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it's not there's no question about it. It's we're going to see these
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three migrations in the United States,
and it's going to involve millions of people.
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We are utterly unprepared for it.
It's already started. We are not
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preparing as we should. A few
states are beginning to take it seriously,
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but most states aren't, particularly the
Red States, relative to what you're who
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were saying. That occurred because of
the citizens United the Court decision which allowed
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a legalized bribery. That's what has
destroyed the Congress because of why people like
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Matt Kitts and Marjorie Taylor Green or
Lauren Beaubart, all those people, they
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got elected because somebody who was very
wealthy. And we have four people in
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the United States and have as much
wealth as forty eight percent of the population.
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So you have a few people who
are as rich as other country frees,
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right, and they are that rich
because the tax codes were changed by
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the what is now because the Trump
Crystal Fascist Party, and so it allowed
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people to accumulate wealth at a level
never before seen, never envisioned by the
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founders. They buy congressmen our rink
of Really, it's going on all the
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time. It's why our Congress that
particularly the House is so dysfunctional because all
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kinds of people are in, particularly
people who belong to the DCP party of
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what used to be the Republican Party, because somebody had to put up the
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millions of dollars at taps to get
somebody elected, and they are obligated,
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and they hang that way and they
take the positions they take because that's what
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their financial dictors do. I mean, it's this is all very easily provable.
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It's not it's not a political argument. It's an argument about facts.
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We are about to have an election
whose real real service, whose real reality
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is do you vote for democracy or
do you vote for authoritarianism? Has nothing
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to do with democrat republican in that
sense. It's about are you going to
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vote for an authoritarian or are you
says quite openly that's what he's going to
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be, or argue with vote to
democracy. And because of the low education
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level, because of the low literacy, because from there are these people are
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so frightened because that it has made
them resentful and angry, They feel victimized.
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This is a low income low I
you, low education people who are
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manipulated by a small group of people
who who have wealthy people to some countries.
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And so we are in danger of
losing our democracy. What do you
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say to the people who you know? I mean, first of all,
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I don't know that anybody thinks of
themselves as low information or low education they
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I mean, I don't think anybody
walks around thinking, Yeah, I think
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that most people don't think they're stupid. They think that they know something somebody
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else doesn't, and I don't.
And I don't think that anyone is necessarily
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stupid about everything. I think everybody
has talents and things that they're smart about
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and blind spots. But I know
some people who are objectively intelligent who doubt
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or deny global warming. Some they
just feel it's part of a natural cycles.
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Well they think they do science.
Well, let's go through then,
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well let's question about this. Well, they don't think that climate change is
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real. It's because they have not
read the scientific papers that this is.
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This is not a debate. We
are not at a debate stage. We
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are at this is like somebody coming
down with cancer and saying, no,
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I don't believe you cancer. Well
that's a good example because it is a
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little bit of a of a I
mean, some people call it the post
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truth era. I mean it probably
started with you know that certain vaccines.
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I'm not even talking about the most
recent issue with COVID. I'm going about
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you know, the vaccines called autism
campaign, which has been debunked about a
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thousand times over. But nobody leaves
anything anymore. They don't. Nobody trusts
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the media, and the media had
its own part to play. I mean,
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you can just debate what the media
is. They did theoretically, I'm
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part of the media. Right now, we are seeing the weaponization of misinformation.
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That's what AI is going to do. We are already vulnerable and most
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because most people get their information off
of social media, and social media has
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been weaponized, and so most of
what people read is false, but they
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don't know that because they don't read
anything other than social media. The average
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teenager, for instance, spends about
four hours a day doing social media,
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the average adult about two and a
half hours. That's their principal place for
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getting information, and almost everything they
get is wrong. Yeah, I in
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my own little world, in the
few youth that I speak to, and
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I'll define youth is under twenty five. Yeah, I'm fifty five. I
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don't have that much communication with people
under that age except for my you know,
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my own children, and you know
my son do you know that doesn't
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talk to me about any of these
things necessarily, But you know, I
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think that he has a pretty good
head head ass. But from other youth
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that I've spoken to, I get
more questions about do you think there are
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reptilians than what do you think about
global warming or climate change? And I
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don't know where that came from.
I mean, the stuff about reptilians has
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always been around is sort of on
the uh, well, that's what it
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was when I was a kid,
but then it's it's it's sort of morphed
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into no, like like the like
the old TV show V that we have
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you humans that are just that their
human skin as a mask and they're actually
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reptilian underneath, and that the you
know, either they're demonic or they came
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from on the ground or there or
in the people about that, Oh my
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goodness. Yeah. There was a
woman who got almost got kicked off an
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airplane. This was on mainstream news
because he was yelling that the guy next
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to her had lizard eyed and he
was a reptilian. And you know,
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the funny thing is no nobody ever
showed him. I mean, I guess
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he said, don't film me.
I don't want to be known for this.
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I'm sorry, go ahead, stupid. So we take things like that
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seriously, very seriously. That is
the problem. You have people to believe
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that there are human reptiles going around, I don't know, doing whatever it
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is they're doing, or that Democrats
have a secret sex couple and they're drinking
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the blood of children and all of
that is exactly what I mean by the
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rocganization of this information, right,
And oh yeah, yes you did.
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you would have thought ten twenty years
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to the fringes, or it would
be a haha, you know, I
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watch Ancient Aliens night, haha,
they talk about this or in search of
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from the seventies or whatever it is. Now it's not a haha now,
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it's it's like part of a doctrine. And I think it is at the
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heart of at least part of what
you described as your TCP. It's it's
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part of the belief that there is
a belief that we are warriors battling Satan
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basically, you know, or some
deep evil equivalent to Satan, and it's
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cabalists. So not like Kabbala,
the mysticism the vial in Middle Ages.
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Yeah, I mean exactly, it's
sort of like the Salem Whips trials,
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but broadband. Yes, it's the
weaponization of this information and with the development
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of AI where it was shown,
for instance, that the last selection six
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people were able to produce enough material
misinformation that they altered the way people funded.
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And it's very cheap to do for
one thing, and other countries are
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doing it. The Russians are doing
it, the Chinese are doing it.
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Americans because they are not well educated. The TCP is trying to take apart
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public education. I mean, fifty
four percent of the population adult adult population
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cannot read a sentence more complicated than
the man walked the street. They're not
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capable about something like climate change.
Just they're not capable of branding it.
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You can't read about it because they
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I do have two, you know, two podcasts in this family.
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One is called Garden of the Doom, and this is completely on that brand.
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However, I think this episode is
going to be on Garden Views,
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so we try to stay away from
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So. I mean, I think
you've identified the problems, or at least
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part of them, do you.
I mean, part of your studies,
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you know, has to be that
you've looked into at least what some potential
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solutions are. I mean, how
do we turn any of this around?
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It'd be lovely to say we fix
the public school system, but you know,
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climate change, it's it's it's here. So which do we tackle first?
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I mean, you know there needs
to be a plan, and there
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needs to be priorities, and then
you know execution points on those priorities.
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So what would what would Stephan Schwartz
say? Is is the priority list?
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And how to go about tackling these
issues understanding that they're all interrelated. You
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want to know how to actually change
things? Yes? Really, yes,
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all right, I will tell you
exactly how to change things, and I
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will guarantee you to you that it
will work because whenever it has been done,
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it always works. Okay, here's
what you do. Every day you
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make dozens of little decisions. You
buy a certain brand of pet food,
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you go to a certain gas station, you buy a certain laundry detertion.
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Every one of those is a vote. You are either voting for corporations which
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exploit and degrade well being, or
you work with companies that are fostering well
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being. Every day you do that, you make hundreds of decisions, and
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if you will commit, I call
them quatidian choices. If you will commit
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to do the research to find out
of the choices that you make, which
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are compassionate, life affirming and fostering
the well being. And at every point
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where you make a choice, you
always choose of the options available to you,
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the one you understand to be the
most compassionate, life affirming and fostering
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up well being. And you tell
ten people that you are doing this as
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a discipline, and you invite them
to train you and ask ten of their
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friends to do it. And what
will happen is when can ten percent of
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any cohort. We know this from
research again, when ten percent of any
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cohort changes in consciousness, the whole
cohort, no matter whether it's a school
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committee, a church group, or
a nation, when ten percent of the
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cohort changes, the whole cohort has
to change to a commodat to that.
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So, the people that are listening
to this podcast, wherever you choose to
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eric, if they will commit to
the quididian choice of all choices are compassionate,
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life affirming and flustering of well being. You don't have to have an
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army. You don't have to have
money, you don't have to have an
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official position. This is how Gandhi
got freedom and independence for India without a
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war. It is exactly how he
did it. When they asked him before
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he was assassinated, how did you
get the British to give up their most
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prized colonial possession without a war,
it said, it was not what we
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did that mattered, although that mattered. It was not what we said that
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mattered, although that mattered too.
It was the nature of our character that
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made the British choose to give us
independence. And if we want to maintain
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a life affirming democracy, we have
to get enough Americans to always commit to
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the quatidian choice, that is compassionate, life affirming, and fustering of well
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being. And that will change the
whole nature of the culture, because when
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ten percent of us do that,
it must change. And there's all kinds
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of scientific evidence for that. And
people will elect different kinds of candidates for
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their parties. In this November twenty
four election, this is an election between
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are we fostering well being with our
vote or are we destroying well being?
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It is that simple. It's not
is there a resource for all kinds of
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okay, out resource, Yeah,
yes, yeah, resource to find the
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company, because you know, I
think that, you know, the most
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obvious example is probably food choices.
You know, so people probably rely on
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going to whole foods. But I
don't really know who owns whole foods.
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I don't know if they are vendors, you know, I don't know who's
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really selling it the farmers market,
if they're really you know, legit farmers,
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or if they're part of some you
know, giant corporate corporate farm you
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know, mega farm. You said, I wrote a book called the Law
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of Change. It will spell all
this out in great detail. It will
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tell you exactly how to do it
and guarantee to you why it works.
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Okay, So okay, and where
can people find that book? And then,
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just for the sake of repetition,
which is always good for Amazon and
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what's it called dot com? Go
to go to Amazon, Go to Shorts
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Report dot net, go to my
podcast, do any one of those things.
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Go to Barnes and Nobles, go
to Smash Word, go to all
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of them, but in any case, go to My Way from the side,
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step ine shorts dot com and pick
the eight claws of change and download
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it and read it and do what
it says. Because the book is entirely
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silence space. It has I give
you, not only do I value with
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science based I hear you hundreds and
hundreds of references that you can go and
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dig into any part of this as
deep as wants. Well. I can
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tell you're a straight talking person,
and I and I promise you this isn't
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a gotcha question. It's just something
that seems obvious based on the conversation.
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You know, one of the places
to buy the book is Amazon. Amazon
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is owned by Jeff Bezos. He's
obviously one of those four people you you
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alluded to earlier. You know,
it's that that's one of the choices that
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one might make, is by going
to Amazon. But it is, you
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know, so, I don't know
how do we reconcile that why I suggest
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that's why I suggest that you go
to Stefanie Schwartz dot com and downloaded there.
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Okay, fair enough, good Reads, that's another work, Okay,
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but I know I deal with reality, and I know that that's where most
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people will go. We don't go
to Stefana Swartz dot com. Because I
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use the money from the book to
finance, my daily podcast and my weekly
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podcast, and my daily web publication. If you go to the stuff,
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if you go to Schwartz Report dot
net, I put this up every day.
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If you go to my podcast,
I not only do the podcast,
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but I also publish at the end
of every podcast a complete reference list science
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papers, so that you can go
and check every fact. I just told
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you to your own satisfaction. What's
the podcast called Sports Report? Okay?
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Okay, so everything's on brand,
which is smart. Okay, So the
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Sports Report, and I presume that
you could find that on Apple, Spotify,
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Spreaker, being all the usual suspects, all the usual places. Yes,
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okay, you do Spotify. I
don't even know all the places they
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put it up. Yeah, nor
do I. And then probably in three
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years they'll all be owned by two
companies. Anyway, something that you mentioned
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earlier, which I have to do. I have to by the way,
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is between twenty forty and twenty forty
five, we're going to have a massive
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crisis, but by twenty sixty we're
going to be on the other side of
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it. We're going to be a
very very different country. How do I
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know this dose Since nineteen seventy eight
I have been asking remote viewers on one
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of the people, I have been
asking people to remote view in the future,
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and today they have an eighty three
percent accuracy. Right now, what
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does remote view the future mean?
What do I mean my accuracy? I'm
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sorry? What does remote view the
future mean? I would take to you,
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Jeff, I want you to go
forward and see today. You say,
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eighteenth of March. I would say
to you, Jeff, I'd like
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to go forward to eighteen March twenty
sixty and let you know when you feel
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you're there. Now, I'd like
you to describe for me what you see,
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what images you did. It's like
if I said to you, Jeff,
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can you remember the first time you
took out a woman you were in
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love with to dinner? And you
probably say yes, I can remember that.
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It's just like that kind of memory. And I've done it with over
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six thousand people at this point,
all over the world, and they all
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tell the same story. So what
is that story that they tell. The
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story that they tell is that we
become two countries, we become two countries
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in a single nation, that we
go through these all these changes that I've
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been describing, that something happens between
twenty forty and twenty forty five. I'm
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doing the analysis now, so I'm
not quite sure what it is, so
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I can't say I think where I
am at this point in the analysis.
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It's ten thousand pages of research,
so it's not it's a lot of time.
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But what I think is saying is
that the end of the internal combustion
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engine will have been completed by then, and you can see that happening,
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that climate change will have caused massive
changes of portions of some countries will disappear.
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That's already happening too, that will
have been placed in such a crisis
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that we will awaken to the fact
that fostering well being is the only way
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for ours to survive as a species, and we will begin to do that
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now. Exactly as I say,
what causes this crisis in twenty forty and
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twenty forty five, I'm not entirely
clear, except that I think part of
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it is climate change, and part
of it that's sort of the bad news.
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The good news is that the internal
combustion engine ceases to be used in
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transportation. We change the laws that
control how the Internet operates so that there
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is a responsibility to integrity. But
there's much more. I just I just
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don't know it all. But I
have been doing this, as I say,
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since seventy eight. These people have
have accurately predicted that the devise of
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the Soviet Union. They predicted COVID
and at ads and S S five,
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S five N one, I can't
remember astars. They correctly predicted all of
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those things. They predicted the rise
of gender equality, they predicted their rise
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of racism. And then it's devise
because by twenty sixty, race is no
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longer an issue. Gender issues are
no longer issues. People no longer work
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in big towers, big skyscrapers.
We are, we are a culture that
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is much much simpler, isn't the
right word? Much more respectful of everything
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that the fact that impacts the climate, so our architecture is quite different.
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Roads power the vehicles that drive on
them. People don't travel as much.
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There still is airfare, air air
flight by the much last. The United
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States is no longer the dominant world
leader. Think other things that stand out.
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Who are these cohort members? Who
who are these these folks that you're
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talking to have made these successful people
that are watching your podcast. I have
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done this in China, Russia,
Germany, Italy, France, England,
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Jamaica, Bermuda, Bahamas, uh
Canada, the United States. Whenever I
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went to speak in a conference or
something, I would say, with some
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people like to participate in an experiment, and then I would interview them and
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I would say, as I said
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in November twenty fifty, what is
it like? And I would ask some
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questions, they would answer them.
I would record this, they would get
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transcribed, and then I do a
concept by concept analysis. Okay, a
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while ago you mentioned Citizens United,
and I absolutely agree with you that that
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decision was a pivotal turning point.
I'm not even sure that the decision was
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wrongly made on law, but again
that's one of these things where I blame
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Congress for not changing the law.
But that's sort of irrelevant. It is
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what it is at the moment,
and what you've suggested is sort of a
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grassroots, sort of organic capitalism route
to betterment. But governments have to be
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involved too, and I think that
changing citizens is necessary and there's a lot
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of hard Yeah, there's a lot
of hard policy decisions have to be done,
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and all of them are extremely hard. But I think I think what
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we can agree on you and I
right now is that one of them has
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to be that there can't be money
in at least national level campaigns, and
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once you do that, you get
a more representative government. We should have
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publicly funded elections, and we should
eliminate the electoral college, and we should
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change the structure of the sense.
Yes, I agree with all that.
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I've gone to all that far. But
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the public financing, no exceptions,
no loopholes, no dark money, no
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pack money. That it's a strict
scrutiny, national security, sovereignty kind of
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thing. That that that that overcomes
an amendment. The problem is that people
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who have to vote on it are
the people that have been fitting from the
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system and don't want to vote on
it. But all of the things that
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are our pressing problems are hard and
face the same political issue. I think
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that's the that's the one that helps
make all the others ei. Whether it's
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more reasonable immigration reform, whether it's
more reasonable gun reform, whether it's more
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reasonable uh you know, uh,
mental health support and social services in in
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coordination with better law enforcement. I
mean, people want. One of the
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reasons people like strongmen, it is
because people want order over chaos and are
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willing to give up a little bit
of you know, freedom with that.
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And but once you give up a
little bit of freedom, it's a little
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out of time. It's it's never
just one little chunk and then it stops.
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It just keeps going. But the
other side is true too. I
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mean, you know, once you
once you start giving too much freedom,
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then you know, then you know, you can get to nihilism or anarchy
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pretty soon as well. So I
think it's I think the world has shown
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us that it's easier to get to
fashion and authoritarianism than to anarchy, because
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people do like to live in a
social contract where they can go to sleep
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a night and believe that they're going
to wake up in the morning. Yes,
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of course. And in fact,
crime is going down. Yeah,
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it's interesting that there's a giant disconnect. I'm sorry I did there's a little
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lad so I was speaking of you. I'm sorry, Go ahead, Well,
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no, I was just going to
say crime is going down. Those
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are the specistics. The one thing
that we still face uniquely as a country
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is that the main cause of debt
for young people is a bullet in their
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bodies. That's the main cause of
debt for the youth. And it's because
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we have a national gun psychosis.
And the reason that we had this mental
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illness about guns is because the NRA
was transformed a safety training organization when I
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was a boy, to a political
operation which supports the weapons manufacturers. And
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so we have a situation in which
almost any day of the week you turn
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it on and there's just been another
series of murders because somebody went into somewhere
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with an AR fifteen or an eighteen
forty seven and just randomly killed a bunch
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of people. It's because we don't
have a sensible real estate well being fostering
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view of guns as in our culture, and because no other country in the
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world has anything like this. We
have more people killed by guns than most
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wars. Yeah, sure, there
are places where they're actually shooting civil wars
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right now where there's less people that
die from gun violence. I mean,
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of course people can say, well, who's keeping those statistics? I don't
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know, but whatever it is,
even if it's close, it shouldn't be
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that's keeping those systems is keeping those
statistics, And you can go to be
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Gun Violence Archive, and they make
all of their data completely open, and
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it is all derived directly from objectively
verifiable information. So we know exactly how
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many people are getting killed every day, hey, and how many young people,
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particularly because, as I said,
the main cause of death amongst young
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people is of living their bodies.
Now, I was about the United States.
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I was talking about how do we
know how many people in Yemen or
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in Sudan or whatnot? But we
don't. Yeah, I mean, but
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the point is, the point is
a well taken b It's that it shouldn't
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even be close. I mean,
the United States in America, where we're
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a very blessed country. We we
we we need not be considering comparing ourselves
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to countries that are in active civil
wars, that you know, are in
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vastly different resource positions than than we
are at the moment. For whatever reason
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or reasons, we get too busy, We get a little bit say,
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well, that's because they were the
victim of colonialization. Maybe it's so,
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but that that that doesn't mean that
we should have a proportionate rate of internal
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gun violence because of that. I
mean, you know, we we we
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should still be better off on that
side and fix ourselves and hope to fix
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the you know, work on the
rest of world. We focused a bit
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on the United States. I recently
read a book called The Ministry of the
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Future by Kim Stanley Robinson. He's
a science fiction writers slash futurist. Uh.
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If you haven't read, I think
you might enjoy it. But it's
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not a book that I think everyone
would enjoy. But it reminds me that
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the that there's you know, it's
got to be a worldwide effort. Obviously,
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I mean the statistics of what the
United States uses resource wise and what
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we emit is disproportionate to pretty much
every place else. But there is there
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is the rest of the world too, So how does the rest of the
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world get in, uh, get
on board with this? And I don't
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mean like the island nations that already
are that it are already pushing for it.
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I mean the other countries that are
reluctant like we are. Well,
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I mean it's already happening in the
Nordy countries are working to foster well being.
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The Netherlands, although they're developing our
lightest movement to what I was saying
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to you earlier when we began.
Is that pretty cognitive that is a sense
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of the future. That it's not
consciously intellectually comprehended. It's just a feeling.
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It's feeling is sweeping across all of
humanity, which is why there is
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a rightist movement in so many different
countries, why that suddenly authoritarianism is beginning
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to blossom in countries where you've never
seen it before. And it's because people
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are fearful. They don't quite fly, they're fearful, or if you press
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them that they cite some particular thing. But the reality is is that all
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humans, because consciousness is causal and
fundamental, and we are fundamental interifestations of
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consciousness, and all consciousness is interconnected
and interdependent, everyone everywhere has this sort
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of lurking sense in their unconsciousness of
discomfort, of fear, of things,
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whatever, and it's making them look
for what they think would be authoritarian solutions
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to solve the problem. And it's
going to get worse. And the way
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that you deal with it is exactly
what I just said. It is the
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quick to be of choice, just
exactly like Gandhi in India or Martin Luther
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King did to get the civil rights
movement working. We have to each make
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a decision that we are going to
foster will being, and that foster will
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being for others is actually fostering will
be for ourselves. And we don't have
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to get everybody who just have to
get. As I said earlier, you
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have to get at least ten percent
are a little more. And I'll give
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you examples of how that happens.
That happening when I was a boy.
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You're in your fifties, so I'm
older than you. So when I was
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a boy, you went over to
somebody's house and you saw an ash tray
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and a pack of cigarettes and on
the coffee table in the living room,
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and one of those lighters your mother
told you not to fool with. You
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never see that anymore. Why is
that? Did the president go on television
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and say no, one is to
smoke. No? Did somebody pass a
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law and said you can't smoke No? What happened is people became informed and
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they made the choice that fostered well
being, and enough of them did it
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that you never see it anymore.
I'll give you another example. When I
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was a boy, you had the
word negro NACP. When was the last
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time you heard anybody say the word
negro, you don't not a They didn't
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belong to that, that class.
I made that race. I mean internally
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it's different. I ere why because
enough people changed their minds, They changed
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in consciousness, they understood and had
negative implications, and they stopped saying or
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I'll give you another one. When
when I was a boy, uh,
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you said gay. You don't hear
gay much anymore. You hear LGBTQ.
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Why. Because people have changed in
consciousness about how they see the firm and
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how they see those people. Not
everybody, but particularly amongst the young.
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The growing number of young people see
LGBTQ as a perfectly acceptable way to be.
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And so the word gay has almost
disappeared and it's been replaced by another
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word. So cigarettes, negro,
gay, all of those things represent changes
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which occurred in the culture because a
group of people changed in consciousness. The
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solution to the problem is working to
change consciousness. You've changed people's consciousness,
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You change the way they vote,
You change the choices they make, the
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companies they work with, change everything, and society change. Part of the
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problem that you've pointed, but part
of the problem that you've outlined quite well.
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I mean, and it's almost immutable, is that or undeniable? Is
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that a large population has you know, I always say pendulum swing. Have
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gone from the pendulum where progress,
you know, the history leans towards progress.
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I think it was Martin Luther King
who's that. But uh, you
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know, the pendulum seems to be
swinging back for at least, you know,
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as you said, fifteen to thirty
percent of the American population. And
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they seem and we seem to be
going back to the Dark Ages and the
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Middle Ages and in a lot of
respects, which means that some of those
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words are going to come back.
Some of those attitudes. You're getting an
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equal and opposite reaction, So you
know, and some of those attitudes they're
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they're not being said out loud,
but they're they're still there in the closets.
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They're still there in private conversations in
some quarters. Oh look look at
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the ledge an sure. I mean
you've got a you've got a candidate for
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president who's an open semi I think
you've got people in the combers you are
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openly submitted kids. Unbelievable. That's
something that you would have thought disappeared,
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was no longer socially a part of
the society, and yet it has re
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emerged. You see the kind of
racism. I mean when Johnson signed in
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sixty four and sixty five, signed
the voting drive Back and the Civil Rights
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Actor, I thought, because I
had been involved with the civil rights movement
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as a young man, I thought, well, that's the end of it.
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Then, okay, so we're still
going to have some people on a
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racist but as a society we're over
that. And yet it's worse than it
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was in the fifties in some areas
a lot again because people are fearful and
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anxious and resentful. Look at the
business about migrants. Every single human being
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in the United States, every single
one, there is not one exception,
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is either an immigrant or the descendant
of an immigrant. There were no Homo
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sapiens in North America. Every single
person, from Native Americans to whatever,
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it's either an immigrant themselves or the
descendant of an immigrant. We couldn't exist
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were it not for immigration. As
any businessman will tell you, look at
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what is happening in agriculture as they
don't have enough workers. Look at what's
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happening we don't have enough firefighters because
we are have an increasing number of fires,
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and there aren't enough firefighters. We
don't have enough doctors, we don't
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have enough nurses. Why because a
large percentage of those were made up of
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people who immigrated to the country.
So we have immigrant business going on,
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and yet every person who holds that
position is themselves either an immigrant or well,
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that's certainly true. I mean we
are we are a country of immigrants,
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you know, unless you believe that
ancient aliens came down and populated the
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continents, including this one and the
same host of South America. By the
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way, there were no Homo sapiens. They're either you know, until I
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don't know whatever, twenty or thirty
thousand years ago whatever, whatever. The
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things keep getting older. But that's
at some point. I have a question.
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I don't know if you have an
answer for this one, but how
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does a party that is Christo at
some fundamental portion of it galvanize around a
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man who's completely a religious amoral Two
out of his three wives were immigrants,
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I mean one is you know,
Uh, his his daughter converted to Orthodox
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Judy Judaism. Uh. Most of
his business ventures that people know about have
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failed. Most of his successful ventures
are not his ventures. They're just him
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licensing his name. How is it
that he has become the populist hero when
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most of his followers would not be
allowed on the grounds of his golf club.
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I mean, I don't I don't
understand. It's like if it's like
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if the people who stormed the bast
steal chose the king of France. Yes,
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tell two things. One ignorance,
largely willful ignorance. It's not being
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a that there are I'm standing you. And because of the weaponization of this
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information. One thing that Trump has
do that is that he understood what people's
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fears were, maybe because so many
of them are his own. You know,
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I met Donald Trump many years ago, and I thought at the time
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he had speaking of reptiles. I
then he met a party in the Gloria
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Vanderbilt Dave. This is way back
in the sixties and I was in my
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twenties. He was a little younger
in his twenties, and I talked to
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him for a few minutes. We
were standing at the bar. Either one
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of us dranks, so we were
both getting a Seltzer. Wonder that's what
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got us started talking. And I
thought he had this reptilian quality, and
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I'm self think that. But it's
that he was able to identify and articulate
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fear and resentment and anxiety in a
way that people who didn't either choose to
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take the time to learn what he
was really about, or so they were
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willfully ignorant or weren't capable of understanding
the reality of who he is. And
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there's not one answer to that.
But he articulates in the same way that
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Hitler did, or Mussolini did exactly
the same thing. And in fact,
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you know, one of his earlier
lives said he kept the Book of Uh
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next to his bead, Bob what
was done by Hitler to come to power?
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Because he's doing basically the same thing
the Germans at the time, We're
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doing the same thing that about a
third of Americans are doing today. Interesting,
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all right. I didn't want to
get too much to Donald Trump.
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I try to stay away from politics
a little bit, but it's it's sort
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of unavoidable, and it's certainly and
I asked, but it's certainly part of
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the question in the crux of the
conversation. We as we near the hour
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mark, is there some sort of
you know, insummation, you know that
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you would like to to give,
you know, or some point that wasn't
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made yet, or something that I
didn't ask you, that you that there's
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a answer to a question that you'd
like to provide. Well, I would
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simply say we stand at a crossroads
as a country. The election in November
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twenty twenty four is going to determine
what kind of country we be. Call
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and you are listening to the insult
watching it have a role to play.
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That is, if you will begin
with every little bitty choice you may,
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you always choose for passion, life
affirming and fostering and will be you will
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not only make others better, but
you will make yourself better. No other
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message from that. That is my
closing for wonderful Well stephan A. Schwartz.
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The site is Stephanie Schwartz dot com. Uh, you have the Schwartz
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Report podcasts. We talked about the
book which don't get it on Amazon.
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If you you know, if you
have another choice, and I appreciate your
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coming on and sharing your knowledge and
wisdom and being open to engage in these
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conversations and hopefully a lot of people
will listen. Uh, you know,
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it's it's and it's more for the
younger people than this for you or me,
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because when you're asking me about twenty
sixty, I'm thinking I'm not going
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to here in twenty sixty, so
so getting there maybe you know it can
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be either easier or more difficult.
But especially if you live on the on
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the coasts, or on an island
like Manhattan, which is probably not helping
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this situation, or long island you
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you may want to think about moving
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if not physically. So with that, I thank everyone for listening. Check
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out his stuff. Why don't you
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can hear it weekly and I'm sure
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could ever get here, and you
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I'd love for you to give me
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you please, and we love referral. So anyway, thank you once again
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to our guests. Stefan A.
Schwartz, thank you all for listening,
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and we'll hear from you next week, or more to the point, you'll
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hear from us next week. In
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