Funny Book Forensics 442 Rick Hulk Jones

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I'm already shaking my head.
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He's already shaking his head, folks. He's already like, oh, I'm defeated by this story.
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I. Yeah, it was it.
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Wow.
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And then to find out that most of the story actually happened. So I. I don't know, like, what actually changed based off this story?
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It's. It's different than what happened because of the fact that. That the character is a different character.
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There was a minor change. Well, anyway, we are covering what if number 12. We should probably let that what if Rick Jones, not the junk dealer, not the owner of waffles, chicken and feet rubs or whatever. Not that Rick Jones as Greg so kindly introduced me to this week. Thank you, Greg.
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You're welcome.
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Something. Something I will never unsee. I. It's not that Rick Jones. No, this is not anybody that ran a bricks and fig store. So we're good there. We're safe there. This is not Rick Jones. It's part of any, like, conspiracy to, like, raid the Great Congress or anything like that. We're not going to come up on a. On a watch list or anything. No, this is the Rick Jones of the Marvel Universe. Oh, I thought it was this very generic name. This is the Rick Jones from Incredible Hulk number one. No, not that Rick Jones.
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That Rick Jones.
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No, you're gonna get us sued. Take his stuff off our podcast.
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It's a commercial. You can't get sued for playing.
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You can get sued for playing all sorts of things. Now get that away. You're gonna demonetize us. I've Learned that about YouTube this week. Apparently, literally everything I do on this podcast causes us to be demonetized. Demonized.
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Oh, demonetized.
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No, it's because I'm demonizing others. That's why we're demonetized.
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I thought we were.
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No, you're. You don't. You have demonized? Maybe. I don't know.
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I do right now. If you're watching the video, I am feeling the power of Rich.
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Oh, Jesus. Well, anyway, I got this genius idea here. I had this idea. I was like, we're reading what ifs. We are not reading any more what ifs for a while after this. Oh, no, we should.
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These are fantastic. They introduce you to whole new realms of what can happen in a what if.
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Yeah, we're not.
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No, they're great.
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Yeah, you made me buy them all.
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So we're reading more.
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Well, we will read more, but not. We're taking a break.
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No, we can't take a break.
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Yes, we can take a break, because I cannot handle this anymore.
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What if you find a different, better story?
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No, there are taking a break.
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There are different stories.
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We're going to read something else, and then we can go back and do a what if later. Maybe we can get a guest on the podcast that can help us with one of these what if stories that actually knows what the hell they're talking about.
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Make you not feel so confused.
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I literally have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Dan is very stressed right now. It's like.
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It's. Well, you know, like when you. So I was a public speaking teacher and debate coach for a long time, and I don't know if anybody's ever had that feeling of going into a speech and not knowing anything about what they're going to talk about. And that is literally where I was at today with. With this.
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He's like, I'd rather talk about the junk dealer. I'd rather.
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Yeah, I mean, I literally thought, hey, I'm gonna read this cool what if story. It's going to be what if Rick Jones became the Hulk? Okay? Rick Jones. So for those of you that don't know, Rick Jones is the kid that broke onto the army base that Bruce Banner had to save, and then Bruce Banner gets hit by the gamma radiation, and then he becomes the Hulk. Okay, that's. So Rick Jones is the impetus in the 1962 Hulk number one for why Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk. Okay, that. That all makes sense. Cool. And that is sort of been lost to history if you're in the mcu. I don't think that happens.
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No, it doesn't.
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Rick Jones isn't mentioned anywhere. In fact, as far as I know, Rick Jones just pretty much disappears from comics, at least in his original form. I'm sure the. I believe. I believe Marvel has used him in all sorts of ways. They like to give Rick Jones all sorts of weird afflictions. Things happen to him and. And. And that's what happens in this story. But in a what if story, you're supposed to be, like, what if ing away from what happens in the actual continuity. And in this what if story, not a lot of substantial things change when Rick Jones becomes the Hulk instead of Bruce Banner.
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I'll point him out as we go along.
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You don't know any of them.
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I. But I can tell you with my whole heart, there are things that are different with Rick Jones.
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Well, yeah, you know that, but you don't know what they are.
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I. I know it in my heart, Dan. Don't question my heart.
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Yeah. What are you have you converted to the other side all of a sudden? Like, are you solving gun control with your heart and thoughts and prayers too?
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No, no.
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I'm just gonna tell me the moon landing didn't happen. Like, what the fuck is happening right now?
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I know about that for sure.
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I knew it in my heart. My firsthand personal relationship of walking with Jesus. I know that's what God wants me to do.
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When you are feeling lifted up and you only see one set of footprints, it's because I'm caring, Dan.
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Right? You better carry me through this podcast because again, I have no idea what the I am talking about.
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Oh, my God.
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So, good news. We do have a listener out there that mentioned to me they listen to the podcast and literally have no idea what we're talking about. Well, congratulations. We also this week have no idea what we are talking about. So this is going to be a fun one.
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I also had listener Kyle pop in over the weekend at the shop, and he was like, I, I, I like what you guys are talking about, but I haven't read it.
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Yeah, well, that was Booster Gold.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. But, but I'm sure when it comes
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some more people have read when it
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comes to this, I even, I was like, I prefaced, hey, this who we're covering next? And he was like, it'll be nudity.
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Well, let me read what the tomorrow's little paragraph here says.
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All right, hit us.
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What if Rick Jones had become the Hulk? This is from back issues, number 111. In issue 12, December 1978 gave us Teen Hulk over a year before Crazy magazine did a comedy strip with that concept. And why wouldn't there be an alternative universe where Rick Jones pushed Bruce Banner to safety, only to be caught in the gamma bomb blast himself? Don Glut. Is that really his name? Is it Glute or Glut? Because if it's Don Glut is the writer, that makes me happier.
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It's Don Glut, because Glute would have an E at the end.
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Are you sure?
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I mean, that's what spelling tells me.
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Well, it provides a roller coaster script involving. That's it. That is. That is the politest possible way to describe the script.
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It is a roller coaster of emotions involving.
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It's a roller coaster of confusion and sadness. It's involving the Avengers, Captain America and Captain Marvel. Now, just too many captains. It's not the Captain Marvel that is the real Captain Marvel. This is the Marvel Captain Marvel, which is the fake Captain Marvel, which somehow they got to do Because DC was too stupid to maintain the rights to the name Captain Marvel. Long story, but this is not the one that yells the magic word and is a little boy and becomes a big boy. This is the Cree. And this is also not Carol Danvers. This is the original.
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It's not the Captain Marvel that a lot of people know. Yeah, because three movies have been out, and that's what.
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And that Captain Marvel's been dead in the comics for, like, years. Sticky step. Hulk Tacular.
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It.
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It says Hulk Tacular. Pencils were provided by Asal Bushima. Yes. The best thing about this book is the art.
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The art.
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The. The art is fantastic. So good. The art is so good. If only the words could get away. If only the words in the editorial notes could stay away from the art long enough for you to enjoy it.
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Fantastic book. And then it says, who was asked about this issue? And number 44 and admits to back issues. Oh, we're talking a long time ago, my friend. At my age, I barely remember what I did five minutes ago. Wish I could be more help. More. More of a help. I just don't remember these stories.
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Wow, I forgot.
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Yeah. Sal, Sal, Sal did a fine art job here. But it is. The script is. Is simply not memorable because it's impossible to remember.
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It's memorable because it's all the scripts you've ever read before, just with Rick Jones with.
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With a slight difference. Yeah. Well, the cool thing about the what if concept, I think, is that, you know, you should have a major change.
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You should. And that's where the Watcher changes his appearance from issue to issue.
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So I think we were disappointed with issue one, that Spider man just replaces Sue Storm. However, that would be a major change in the Marvel universe.
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It would be. It's giant.
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That would huge.
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That.
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That would be. That would be all. All of the stories from that point forward would be massively different. And then there's this story.
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Are you saying that Rick Jones is the Incredible Hulk is not incredible enough for you, Dan?
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No, I'm saying they didn't really illustrate anything in here that was massively different. Excuse me?
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You just said the art was fantastic.
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Illustration is great.
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On point. You are wrong. Now they didn't tell you a better story.
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So were you saying. Wait, are you saying all the Marvel artists besides Sal Bushima are terrible?
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No, no, no. I'm saying in this story specifically, you're saying that. I'm just saying your choice of words was wrong. Storytelling and rehashing.
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You're literally.
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What? Oh, I'm
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you're killing. You're.
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I'm killing your angry vibe by making you're bad.
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Wait, you're bashing. Didn't Jack Kirby draw the original Hulk issues?
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Maybe so. I didn't say. I'm not saying.
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Are you saying he's bad?
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I'm not saying he's bad. I'm saying this is a standout good issue on art, just like you did earlier.
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It is. It is a. The art is pretty like Steve.
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Exactly.
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A lot of the art is very pretty. Well, let me get to page 400 in my giant giant omnibus.
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I know. It's easier for me because it's like click the button. I know. I went the easy way. Everyone, I'm sorry.
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Got. What if Rick Jones is the Hulk? And yes, the Watcher did change his appearance again. Now he's looking. He's looking. How would you describe the watcher here? A 1970s 55 year old man?
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Yeah, maybe so. King of the hill. He looks like Hank Hill. Kinda. Or. Or maybe Ron hair. Ron Howard's more memorable brother.
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Well, we get.
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The watcher does look like Clint Howard in that Star Trek episode, does he not?
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Howard's more mental. Good lord.
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Are you telling me the ice cream man is not good?
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That boy is turning into some kind of huge green skinned monster and it's all my fault. Says Bruce Banner, I believe. And we've got a cover with. We got a cover with Rick Jones is the Hulk. Looks like we have the general there. That's. And he's. I almost called him General Betty Brandt's dad. Which would not. That'd be General Ross.
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General.
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I know, it's like messing up my Betties.
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You got Rick Jones and Colonel Ross.
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Oh, he's not a general yet.
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Oh, General. General.
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Well, he might have been a colonel then. Could have been. I'm sure people generally move up in their career. It gives him some progress over the decades that he's in comics generally.
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You are a colonel before you're a general. Generally. Yes.
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Well, this has Stan Lee presents a stunning saga of an alternate reality. You've read of Dr. Robert Bruce Banner's career as the ever Incredible Hulk. And more recently you've savored one David Banner. I still don't understand why they changed the name for television. Banner stint as the old green skin in living color on tv. Now he's here, the most offbeat Hulk of all. And this is immediately where the book starts going downhill.
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Could it be offbeat? He's a musician. He's always on the rhythm is rhythm. Is his dance.
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That is true. Well, we. We start the story and the watcher says, what if Rick Jones had become the Hulk? And we get a very familiar scene. We've got Don Glut or Glute. Don't know. On the writer. Salvation is on pencils. Bill Black is inking. We've got Rousseau's as the colorist. I. Is that just. Is that like Sting or. What is happening there?
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That's how it comes across.
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It says, Patterson letter. Here, let me get the real people who did this.
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Oh, he's going to dig in deep, people.
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I'm not going to dig in deep. I'm literally going to click one tab. It's George Russos, colorist and Bruce Patterson, which I assumed on letters that maybe
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it was homage to the. To the colorist. That's why they changed the name in the TV show.
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Your favorite thing to do. You ready? Jim Studer is the consulting editor.
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Yes.
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And Roy Thomas, Love his music. Is the real editor. How things would shift at Marvel. Roy Thomas would be at D.C. and Jim Shooter would be running everything.
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I mean, it's a. That's a. What if.
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What if Roy Thomas had stayed at Marvel and Jim Shooter went back to dc?
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Yeah.
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I can tell you one thing that would have happened.
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What?
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The Legion of Superheroes would not have been written out of continuity by not having Superboy because Jim Shooter loved the Legion of Superheroes. And so if Jim Shooter. What if Jim Shooter had gone back to dc, John Byrne might have stayed in Marvel and we wouldn't have ruined an entire comic book.
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There you go. If we would have got more.
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I am going to write that story. There also would have been no gay or black Legionnaires. That's. That's a. I guess that's drawbrack. Yeah. So. Well, anyway, okay.
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Simon Baton.
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These accusations are represented by Greg. Actually, he said earlier, not by Dan.
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I was about to. You know, I mean, because of recording and time frame and stuff like that.
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But.
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So if.
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If legal wants to come after me, they can come after Greg. He told me that I almost threw
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up the flag because of the. The Up. Dan shakes his head. Shakes his head. I know, man. It's. That's good.
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Dead air is always good. Me shaking my head. If you're. If you're not watching the video. I was giving Greg some side eye.
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I know. Totally.
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All right, well, should we get into the book a minute and then get back into all this crazy stuff?
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Yeah, we should get into the book.
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How many pages do you think there will be? Until we see another editorial note for a comic.
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We should read like one. It's. It's a page. A page, a note. I swear to God. I swear.
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Yeah, well, we do. It does start out.
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Don't get that far. If this is a dream.
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It does.
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You would be drunk.
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We'd be very drunk. That's why I have my water today, folks. Instead of mine. I do not have whiskey today because
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Dan would be slurring his words at the end of the show.
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Yeah, I've got my big water cup. That came from that place where they do the fake fighting. It's all faded.
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I don't know, Dan. Was it the place where Lycan. Cable guy, the knights and stuff like that?
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You went to, like, liking cable guy?
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Yeah, I'm trying to think what it is.
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Medieval Times.
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Medieval Times, yeah.
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Yes. One of my idiotic bosses in my former job made us go to Medieval Times as a group gathering.
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You should have just gone to a Ren Faire instead. Just real fun. Yeah, it was.
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It was. It. It was a great time. I embraced it by. They said you could pick any cup to put your drink in. So I picked this one and had it filled with whiskey.
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Oh, wow. That's dangerous. Dan lives a life on the edge.
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You had to drink that much to hang around that human.
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I see.
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So, yes, I'm much healthier now that I'm away from that.
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That's true.
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Than you are. You are. We are. Yeah. Greg's like, yes, I know.
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I know. So mentally and physically. Yes. Yes, you are.
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So we are into the book, and Rick Jones is out in the car. His car. It looks like he's driving a Model T. I'm not really sure.
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You know, he. Well, I think he's driving a Probably. Yeah, it's probably like a 40s banger there.
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And we've got, of course, Bruce Banner yelling at him to get out of the test area. He's like, man, like, cool, man. I don't know what's going on.
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I'm playing the harmonica.
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And then just like in Incredible Hulk number one, Bruce Banner pulls him out of the car. They run away. They're running toward the trench to hide in so they don't get blasted by the gamma rays, because certainly just hiding in a trench, the gamma rays are just going to go right over you. That's how. That's how radiation poison works.
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Yeah, man, that's. And everybody at Los Alamos, like, that's what Paid said.
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Right. And yeah, it certainly works that way. So the. Except this is in 62, when this comic originally came out, anyway, the gamma bomb explodes, and this time, instead of Bruce Banner pushing Rick Jones into the trench and saving him, and Rick Jones being racked with guilt for life for Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk, not knowing what to do with himself.
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Oh, no.
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Instead, it's now one Mr. Banner push. Is pushed in by Rick Jones, and he is racked with guilt because Rick Jones is blasted by the gamma rays. And we get a note from the Watcher, as it indeed it was in your reality, where in the gamma rays transformed. How should the Watcher talk? Transformed Bruce Banner into the monstrous green entity known as the Hulk.
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No, no, we discussed this before the podcast. No, he does not.
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Look at this.
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Real.
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Next. Real, please.
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News from the front. Well, anyway, Rick Jones is in the hospital because he's been blasted by gamma rays. Dr. Banners are with him and other doctors with him. And he gets tired of listening to the old people talking. That hip young Rick Jones is like, I tell you, everything's cool, doc. So what are you staring at, huh? Just feel a little weird, that's all. Head pounding like a bongo drum. So quit gawking at me and get off my back. Unless. I was ready for you. You said you wanted to say the line. We start the podcast, I queue it up for you.
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Unless you want to rumble.
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Oh, yeah, rumble. Yeah, because unless you want to rumble.
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And basically, we get a hipster Hulk. We do get our first reference, by the way. That was on, like, page three. Reference to Hulk number one. Which does make sense. Roy Thomas giving us all the editorial notes, unsurprisingly, since he is a comic historian. And yes, somehow, as the editor on this book, thought this was a good idea and would be accessible to people.
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Well, I mean, they think and hope that you have all these issues stacked up on your nightstand so you can.
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Okay, so this book came out in 1978, and hulk number one came out in 1962. So this is 16 years later. So let's assume you are a hip Marvel cat and you had picked this up when you were 16, because that was the cool brand to read.
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to be 32, and, well, you could go and pick up those books for a dime at the comic book store.
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lot of accessible ways to get back issues. As you will recall from the 80s books where. As you were. As you can recall from the 80s books we were reading, they were just starting kind of this mass advertising for. Write out your list and, you know, you can still get those in the late 70s.
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You could go to comic shows. Yeah. And you could. You could. Conventions started in the 70s.
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Yeah. They. Fandom hitting up those lobbies.
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Fandom had started. I mean, that's why. I mean, fandom had started. This is why a book like this can exist. Uh, but yes, it was not as easy to go grab these issues and read them as it would be now. For sure. That's true. And that makes some of this a little bit difficult, though. I will say, after reading this, I don't have, you know, I have the first, like, seven volumes of the Avengers Omnibi. I've got. Obviously, I've got. I could look it up on Marvel, whatever, where we read the other stuff.
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But, you know, to read. If I would have read every book referenced here.
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It would have been like reading millennium. Maybe there's not 30. Maybe we should do a count, because didn't we say millennium had like, 30 some books to read?
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This I need over 30. Like 12.
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So the Hulk says things now like, boss square two, chicken to fight.
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And I'm not. Rick don't need no squares. Help. Yeah.
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He talks in full sentences, people.
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Soldiers. Uncool. Soldiers don't fight fair.
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Use shivs and heaters.
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Is a shiv a knife?
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A shiv is a knife.
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As Peter's the heater. A gun.
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I see. Is that like how the hip kids talked in the 60s, or is this how gangsters talked in the 40s?
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Those soldiers got those shivs and those heaters. See? Yeah.
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I'm Rick Jones.
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Pretty soon we're going to have something like Bones is going to appear and start yelling murders and assassins at everybody.
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Sweet. I mean, that. That would have made a more interesting book.
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Well, anyway, the Hulk starts running away. I wouldn't call him rampaging and jumping. General Ross. It is still. It is General Ross. Okay? He's like, I don't care where he's gone. Bouncing off to find the Hulk. They say that references back to Hulk number three. I don't know where Hulk number two went. Skip that one.
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I guess we jumped over number two and went to number three. You need one and you need.
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That is reference number two, by the way. So reference number two, if you're counting.
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If you're drinking. I mean, if you're counting.
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Do I We. We. Because we want to stay out of jail. We do not recommend doing a drinking game for every reference.
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If you chose to do this, do it with water or do it with something like under 3% alcohol.
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Eating a chocolate. For every time that they're referencing another book, it would be your second chocolate.
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It would be very sick. Well, the kind of chocolate I eat, dark chocolate, it would be. You'd be very sick by the end of this. That be if you're eating a Chewy Chips Ahoy.
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That was still weird. I was. I was editing that one and I was like listening to us talk about Booster Gold's uniform being in the Martian Manhunter's cape. And I was like,
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Don't you pay? No, nevermind. In my cape. In my deep pockets.
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Well, conversely, in the Marvel universe here, Thunderbolt Ross gave up, but trying to find him because he's not done anything. He doesn't hate him, and he's not dating his daughter or anything. And so yet now is Rick Jones, now Teen Hulk. Good thing we didn't call him Hulkling. Hopefully a whole different. That's a whole different Teen Hulk. We get him later. Well, anyway, he Banner. Bruce Banner finds him. He says, no, it's Banner again. The square who keeps calling Hulk Rick. Like, have you ever wanted to punch an author for their dialogue? Yeah. Who?
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I want to name one because I somehow still on his stupid ass email list for all of his independent Books. And he's somebody you wrote with once or wrote for.
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Dude, still just get off his.
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I don't know how to get off it just. I've tried. Comes from his backer kit.
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I've gotten off all the other ones.
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Yeah, I've wanted to punch that guy before, but only because of the stories you told me.
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I almost. I mean, you almost did.
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It just kind of comes and goes with the. But now it's. I mean, it's more of a mood. Right. Based on the ankle and wasn't he gray? Yeah, he's changed a lot of colors. He's been every color of the rainbow.
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Well, anyway, the Hulk is green here, and the sun comes out, and Rick Jones turns back into Rick Jones, and he's like, doc, help me, please, please.
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I want to open my barbecue place. My foot massages so good. Pretty strong hands.
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Yeah, that's exactly. Well, like every. Like every leader in the 60s solution. Bruce Banner's solution is to bring him to an undersea chamber and lock Rick Jones into solitary confinement.
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So he's apparently not aware of water is controlled by the moon, and that's how the tide rises and lowers science. It's like.
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Low key bad. High key bad.
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That's. I mean, you know, the beginning of folk pump started there with the Hulk. That anger and aggression in those chords. Playing. Playing three chords over and over again,
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you know, all I can. I, I went to a concert at the Retro Emporium.
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Was it your flavor of entertainment?
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Was no one's flavor of entertainment. And I, I. And then the other act, just a young folk singer. A young folk singer getting a start. And who hasn't quite learned that you need to balance happiness and sadness when you are playing for an audience. And so after about 30 minutes of sadness, I had to step outside of, of the shop and, and, and reset my brain.
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between the two bands and they play again. It was like created a vacuum of emotion. Yeah, it was a, that to high energy.
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We had like a high energy, spooky sounding instrumental band which was great. And then that, and then a punk band that was screaming about how shitty Trump is for, you know. And it was, that was awesome. 20 minutes and 45 minutes. I don't know, I don't know what happened in between. I need to figure out really what's wrong and I need to give her some counseling or some, a pep talk or something. You know, just like life could potentially be okay, you should, you should write about those things now. And the one happy song that was sung there was, was actually good. Oh yeah. And, and so anyway, this is what I'm imagining Rick Jones doing right now.
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He's doing exactly that.
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Yeah, he's singing sad songs. And then Loki comes in and ignites him.
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everything he belongs something.
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And Dr. Banner doesn't quite have the Hulk solution ready yet, but he shoots him with the big gamma Hulk ray thing to try to make him not the Hulk. And Loki's like, haha, science will prevail. Oh wait, no, sorry. Magic will prevail. And magic. Hulk squishes the machine. Loki's very happy. And then Loki wants to make it look like the Hulk's tearing things up. So he puts a fake dynamite on a railroad track. And the Hulk's like I got to get that before it explodes. And then he tries and that messes up with everything. So that, that wasn't so good because
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he tripped over his shoelaces and fell onto the railroad track.
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Yeah. And so he ruins it and then he runs into the Avengers, just like in Marvel comics. So yeah, that'd be an Avengers number one.
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So that's original Avengers. You Got number. Antman, Wasp.
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Is that number five reference or number four reference?
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Oh, this is number four. I don't know. I'm lost in tacos right now. I'm all chopped up.
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Okay, well, it's. I think it's fourth and the Avengers get together. But all that time, because he's not the Hulk, Bruce Banner has all this time to think about how to cure the Hulk, and he's trying to fix it.
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See, he didn't have to waste his time or not use his time well when he was Bruce Banner and the Hulk, he can hyper focus on it just as Bruce Banner.
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But here's where nothing changed in the Marvel universe so far. He still wasn't working on other sciency things because he was working on curing the Hulk. So it's literally the same thing. We still don't get Bruce Banner's, like, greatest creations yet.
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Like, he doesn't create a gasless car or giant turbine or a robot that can break dance.
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Well, in issue two, Giant Ant Man.
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And Iron man are fighting Goldman.
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are fighting the Hulk. And then Bruce Banner rolls out and shoots the Hulk and he changes him into Rick Jones.
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And Rick Jones is like, doc, is it over, man? He's like, yeah. And yeah, man. Giant woman hitter is like, holy. The Hulk's real. Really?
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A kid is a giant.
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No, no, no. Yeah, no, it's Giant Ant Man. But Giant Ant man whole for fighting Aluminum Man. He spake Iron Man.
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That's what's different. Anyway, we got a reference for Avengers 2, so I think that was reference number five. Number five. Six.
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Number five. Number five.
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Wait, Hulk 1, 2, 4. Avengers, Avengers 5. Okay.
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Oh, my gosh. Five. We're at five now, folks. Five chapters.
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You got all those books. You got all those books for reference?
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Well, now, apparently, Rick Jones is wandering through the universe.
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He's pulling a spider man. He's putting his Hulk, his Hulk underwear in the trash.
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and yeah, he's sad. And he sees Captain America fighting in an alley, and he's like, ah, I can take out those Hydra creeps. He beats them up how old is Rick Jones?
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He headbutts him. Like a literal headbutt. He puts his head into that dude's. To knock him out.
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is like, you remind me of somebody from the olden days. And he. We get a montage.
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Then I need a montage. Rick training. He's training with weights. He's training in the gi.
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Jiu Jitsu. Lawyer Paul would be proud.
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Cass Training him to do everything.
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Rick Jones has now gone in a. In a. In a single panel. Rick Jones has gone from a folk singer. Yeah. To a super strong Olympic level gymnast athlete.
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Oh, my God. Jim Kata. He's gonna bust out some gymkata on these bad boys. Hydra. Watch out. He's coming at you with gymnast Jim Kim.
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Well, then he's wearing the bucky outfit.
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Best movie in my childhood.
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Yeah. Jim, Connect. Good God. And so I've been seeing these things for old TV shows on. Because that's now on my stream of all these shows that didn't make it. I realized something. This is completely unrelated, but I feel like we need a slight break before I open the all the Marvels book. It's a TV show.
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Another world where things happen in a different place.
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No, I was going to reference some terrible TV shows that popped up.
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Please do.
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I changed my mind. I discovered that in that Star Trek 2 came out in 1982. And I discovered at the same time, on the same channel was TJ Hooker and Fantasy Island. And so how can that be when in the movie, they're fighting each other, but then they're on the same TV station on the same night? And then I thought, yeah. And then I thought, is Fantasy island the same island as Lost?
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It could be. Giant smoke monster. People don't know what's going on. But it's all a fantasy and it's what they make it.
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Well, and if Khan is there and he's really the devil of the island, it could be purgatory.
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It could be.
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And what if it was the Genesis bomb that created Fantasy Island?
368
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And then we get Star Trek 3.
369
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Huh?
370
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Oh, my gosh.
371
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Then it's kind of Spock is on Fantasy Island.
372
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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, Rand Arrest. And then.
373
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Oh, that's just a lot that could be going on. Notice none of it has to do with tj. TJ Hooker, which was an abjectly terrible show. Yeah.
374
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We
375
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it was. It was. It was. Wow. God, that shows terrible.
376
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You know, things got made in the day, back in the day as whatever. And that was.
377
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000
Well, I have this book called all the Marvels.
378
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All the Marvels.
379
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Is it a. Yeah, somebody went back
380
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TV show in which all the Marvels come together and live in the same house. And it's almost like too many cooks, but it's too many Marvels. And it's like, hey, everybody.
381
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No, that was the. No, that was the second Shazam movie.
382
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Oh, yeah, that was sick. But that's dc, man.
383
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Yeah. Well, this. This book's called all the Marvels. This author, Douglas Wolk, went back and, like, read all the early Marvel stories and then, like, read them in order and then wrote this book. And so it's. It's really good. He mentions, though, in this. On page 173, he mentions. He's talking about how Dazzler flamed out as a character. And then he gets into. He says, the Marvel Universe is only pop star who's had the most. Sorry. He said the Marvel Universe, only pop star who's had the most interesting life is inarguably. Rick Jones. In his first appearance in 1962's Incredible Hulk, he's playing his harmonica at an atomic test site. Yes, we saw that. Where a gamma bomb goes off and Bruce Banner turns to the Hulk. Except in our story, he turns Jones turns into the Hulk. So that's. What if it's different? All right, Then it says Rick Subs subsequently becomes affiliated with the Avengers, goes back to hanging around with the Hulk, and then briefly takes over as a replacement for Captain America's dead sidekick, Bucky.
384
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Whoa.
385
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.000
No idea. What the hell?
386
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This comic book is literally telling you the story as a different story because Rick Jones is still the Hulk in every store.
387
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So what we've learned is Rick Jones becoming the Hulk meant absolutely nothing up to this point in the story.
388
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Well, I mean, it just means that he's doing Rick Jones stuff as the Hulk.
389
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Well, in issue two, the Hulk leaves the Avengers. But in this case, he didn't walk away. He sadly. He walked away sadly.
390
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Yeah, because he.
391
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And so far, he still becomes Bucky.
392
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Yeah, for a hot minute.
393
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Okay.
394
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Until a war turns into a street fight.
395
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Well, no difference so far. We will be going back to all the Marvels shortly to see if there were any differences here. But so far, Rick Jones becoming the Hulk, minimal impact on the Marvel Universe here.
396
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I mean, everything stays the same, but somewhat different.
397
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It's like, well, in this case, what
398
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if your Chocos were not chocos, but vanilla herbs instead with a vanilla cookie wrapped around upstream center.
399
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:41.000
Well, as you can see on our planet, half the people's faces are painted black on this side.
400
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Oh, yeah.
401
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But the other people's faces are painted black on the other side.
402
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.000
Okay, going back to Star Trek.
403
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That's why we hate each other.
404
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000
Oh, my God.
405
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.000
Ah. Who was the guest star in that episode?
406
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I don't know. Tell me.
407
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I'll give you a hint. And you better get this right, because you own all of them. He was also the Riddler.
408
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.000
Oh, man.
409
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I,
410
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I tell room. I, I, you got me off guard, dude.
411
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I caught you off guard. One Frank Gorshin, sir. When do I know TV trivia better than you? That's impossible.
412
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He looked great then.
413
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:45.000
He, he's, he was a guy. So it was good. I, I, he's good in both episodes. Even though that one Star Trek episode is questionably very racist or questionably very progressive. I'm not sure which one.
414
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:52.000
It's, it's, I mean, it depends on how. It depends on how your face.
415
00:44:52.000 --> 00:45:07.000
Yeah, so. Well, my face isn't painted at all. And we are moving on to the Hulk. Starts smashing Hydra. As he turns Hydra, he gets mad. He turns into the Hulk. Yeah, again.
416
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:18.000
And that's right there, because Rick Jones is the Hulk. I mean, Bucky, Rick Jones wouldn't smash all these guys, but Hulk would.
417
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But he jumps away, and then he finds Captain America again. And Captain America is glowing. And we are up to six there with Captain America. 110. We're up to seven now. We said see Captain Marvel number 17.
418
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Oh, man. Number seven. Seven.
419
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And the glowing Hulk. Okay, so glowing Hulk, somehow Rick Jones. Can we flip the page? Somehow Rick Jones gets these far out quote, I'm quoting Rick Jones bracelets who are throbbing like they're alive.
420
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.000
Oh, let's rob in like they're alive.
421
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He puts him on his wrist and then a voice tells him, do not be afraid of what you see and hear, son. The nega bands will shrink to fit your wrists. Do as I say and slam your wrists together and say, there's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home. And we can stop reading the comic and we are done for tonight. Fantastic. We don't need to read any more
422
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of a story for you. And, and, and maybe you can tell me, when did this issue come?
423
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1978.
424
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Yeah, what, what, what month?
425
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Well, it says the release date was in September and the COVID date was in December.
426
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:58.000
Okay, so it's totally, totally makes sense that Captain Marvel would throw some cuffs on him. It's cuffing season. He's lonely. He wants somebody to snuggle with. I mean to, to. To be there for all those family events. He's living out in the middle of the Nega world by himself.
427
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:04.000
Well, Rick Jones ends up in the negaversegaverse, Captain Marvel ends up somewhere else.
428
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:09.000
Yeah, exactly. Oh, see? Disappeared. Cut out on him. Must be Valentine's Day.
429
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:16.000
And a character I know nothing about but know exists. Annihilist shows up.
430
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.000
Oh, you don't know about it. Nothing else.
431
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Oh, and we get a reference to parallel scene from Avengers number 97.
432
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Number seven.
433
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That's number seven. That is number seven.
434
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Number seven is number seven, folks.
435
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:58.000
And, and Rick Jones is like, guess I have to do what the Marvel dude told me and get him to slam those Nega band wrist together. Fight this guy. Oh no. And he does that. And then we get a reference to the scroll Intergalactic war with the Kree in Avengers 89. 89 through 97. So that is 10 more.
436
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:06.000
Oh yeah, 10 more. Because you add all those in math, huh? They just watch that comics.
437
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That puts us at 18.
438
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:15.000
Get those comics. People buy them up. Marvel wants your money.
439
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:26.000
Yeah, except they don't. Because these are all books they would not make a profit off anymore because they don't have these magical collected editions yet. Until the future. Now they can get the money.
440
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.000
They're getting a. They got your money.
441
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Yeah. Honestly, this is a fantastic series idea. If you have a bunch of collected additions people can buy.
442
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And then they can go back and keep buying those other issues long after they've hit them with spinner racks. And now you're like, oh man, I really want to read them now. And I mean, honestly, who wouldn't want to find out about all these different appearances?
443
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Well, apparently after fighting an ils, he doesn't become the Hulk. He like blasts him with some sort of ray. He dies
444
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now.
445
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Just die he gets. But he's okay because he rolls a 20 on his check and then he's fine. He gets like a thing. And then he meets a lady.
446
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He's got a plus advantage to it too.
447
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So we're 18. He meets another singer from Captain Marvel, number 22. So we're at 19 references here. I think we're gonna hit 30.
448
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I probably.
449
00:49:37.000 --> 00:50:03.000
And so they're very happy. And then they run into. From Captain Marvel 23. That's 20. Yeah, some guy called Megaton. I assume he has some sort of nuclear powers. And Captain Marvel's like, let me out. Hit the nega bands. I can. I can beat that guy up. And then Rick Jones goes back into the Negaverse.
450
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Oh, no.
451
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And now he's stuck there. And Bruce Banner's like, ah, I gotta go find Reed Richards because he knows all about the negative verse. Yeah, Reed Richards. Negative Zone.
452
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Sorry, that Negative Zone.
453
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:28.000
Now, what do you think came out first, the Phantom Zone or the Negative Zone? Probably Phantom, because props to Marvel. Negative Zone is way more interesting than the Phantom.
454
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Sounds cooler. It's like, if I'm gonna get stuck in someplace, Phantom Zone sounds like where I'm gonna get, like, mib. There might be some cool spooky music from the Phantom, singing Phantom songs all about Halloween and stuff like that. But Negative Zone, I mean, that's. That's futuristic wild sounding. I mean, it sounds like where Scott Pilgrim finds Evil X is at.
455
00:50:54.000 --> 00:51:03.000
Yeah, well, apparently Captain Marvel is also suffering in the real world because he gets hit by compound 13.
456
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.000
Oh, no, not compound 13.
457
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And we reference Captain Marvel. 34. What does that put us to?
458
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22.
459
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21. 20, 22. Okay, 21. I think you're right.
460
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.000
21. Blackjack.
461
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21. No, I think it's 22. So we're at 19. 20, 19. Now we're. We were at 18, 19. 20, 21. 21. Yeah.
462
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Okay, blackjack.
463
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:33.000
Oh, my gosh. Okay. And we flip the page and we immediately get reference number 22. Captain Marvel. 35.
464
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22.
465
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And Rick is like, if Marv dies, I'll be trapped here forever.
466
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Oh, no.
467
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Captain Marvel not looking so good.
468
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Not looking so good at all.
469
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So it's. Yeah, it's. It's. It's looking bad for everybody. So I want to know if you know how different this was.
470
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Yeah, hit us, Dan.
471
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This book here, this, this, this book here says that. This book, that's all the Marvels again. On page 174, it says, Shortly after becoming cyclically bonded with Captain Marvel, the alien warrior Mar Vellar in the Mar Vell. Interesting. So he has a Superman type name.
472
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It's like Carville, where you get away.
473
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:31.000
Rick starts. Rick starts to pursue a career in folk rock. We get to see bits of the lyrics to a few of his songs, including a nuclear protest number he performs in the 1970s submariner number 30.
474
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Nice.
475
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:47.000
Ready for this? One day the power that we've released is gonna light up west and east and there's no place to retreat because we've all got a seat at the feast of the atomic beast.
476
00:52:47.000 --> 00:53:04.000
That's pretty. That's pretty timely. But don't you feel it? Yeah, I mean, that Rick Jones telling us dropping truth on people early on.
477
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:42.000
Well, after he saves the world from the Kree squirrel war, which he does by defeating Annihilus, I guess. I don't know. He. The watcher says, unaware of Banner's real intention to achieve the most unconventional cure for Rick. Like experienced on your earth's Banner when cured by another Gammatron in Hulk 130. Is that number 23 there? He tries to get Rick out of fighting with Annihilus and they pull him out. Well, not yet because the Hulk's beating the out of an ilus.
478
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.000
Well, no, I mean, Rick's getting beat up by Pinocchio.
479
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.000
Well, Rick's getting beat up. He's getting choked. Yeah, yeah. And then he becomes the Hulk.
480
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:57.000
We have like two more. There's two more reference seems to happen in there.
481
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.000
Oh, sorry. There's some pretty art though. I was looking at 24. Where's the two more references? I don't see it.
482
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When he gets hit with the.
483
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Oh, I'm not there yet. I was looking at the really pretty Salvoshima art.
484
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:19.000
Well, yeah, no, when he's fighting with an eye list, he's getting. That's one reference. And now go to the other page. Another reference page.
485
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.000
No, I don't see those references.
486
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:28.000
Okay. Oh, yeah, no one's going to be four. So maybe I'm. I'm looking at.
487
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.000
We're still at 23.
488
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Okay, 23
489
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:39.000
or 22. I don't remember anymore anyway because I got lost in the really pretty art.
490
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.000
It is on awesome. See our page, but it is.
491
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Yeah, the nade Salvashima's negative zone is really cool. Annihilus is still a goofy looking character,
492
00:54:49.000 --> 00:55:07.000
but I think Sam, big black man with big wings. He looks like. For people who are only hearing this and they can't see what Paige looked like. Looks like mop. I mean, yeah, he saw.
493
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:11.000
He has spiky, big spiky shoulder pads. Yeah, he looks like he's an early 90s character.
494
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:28.000
Kind of winged. Winged Kate type thing. So when he's standing there, he looks like. Kind of like looks like he's about to jump in a wrestling ring. And in this corner, it is the Mothman. I mean, Annihilus.
495
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:43.000
Well, Rick turns into the Hulk after Annihilus beats Rick up for a while and. And the Hulk says, don't jive Hulk with fancy lingo, bug man. Hulk doesn't dig it. I should. This should be the macho man. Hulk doesn't dig you, bug man.
496
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:50.000
We're dead. Fanciness in the air. I don't think
497
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he says doesn't like getting choked. Well, now we've learned something about Rick, so his girlfriend should take note.
498
00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:03.000
Hey, I don't like being choked. The Hulk don't like that. I said the magic word.
499
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:42.000
I said the safe word, which is dig it. Safe words and alien God. Well, I knew this was gonna go off the rails because it's impossible not to here. Well, the Hulk doesn't know what he's doing, so he hits the. The bands, and it sends Captain Marvel back. And then he hits him again, and he goes back and hits an ilus. And then they hit each other. And it's a battle of titans. And it's not looking good, because when you annihilate and you're a Hulk, it's bad news if you hit each other, apparently.
500
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.000
Yeah.
501
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:50.000
And then they finally find them. It looks like the Phantom Zone. I mean, the Negative Zone device has found them.
502
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.000
Found them. They've been found.
503
00:56:52.000 --> 00:57:15.000
And Reed can see them, but they're two just too close to each other. And Rick's girlfriend is like, get them out. Get them out quick. And Bruce Banner's like, get them out quick. And Reed Richards is like, I'll get them out quick. I'll try. And they're fighting, and. And he shoots him with a beam. And suddenly we have Rick Jones and the Hulk.
504
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.000
Oh, man, double trouble.
505
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:45.000
And so banner goes to Mr. Fantastic and says, only you and your super stretchy powers can reach all the way into the Negative Zone through that portal thing in the Baxter Building and go get Rick Jones. And man, I will tell you what. We thought that Danny Chase was the ultimate sweater.
506
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Definitely. But.
507
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:55.000
And Pink Face maker. We were wrong. 427 of the omnibus. I don't know the page number in here.
508
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:56.000
Oh.
509
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:07.000
But, yeah, I believe that Danny Chase, his. His throne. He's off his throne. In fact, he's. He's. He's. He's been. He's been supplanted.
510
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.000
Yes.
511
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:16.000
The ultimate Poop face. Restraining Poop Face now is owned by one reed Richards.
512
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.000
Yeah.
513
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:26.000
Mr. Fantastic. Who is sweating and he says, gravit, son, take my hand now. Can't hold out much longer.
514
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:27.000
That's what I say.
515
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I don't know what he. I don't know what he's trying to hold on to.
516
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.000
Take it. I don't want it anymore.
517
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.000
You should really. You'd Think in the Baxter Building, they'd have Japanese toilets.
518
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:41.000
Oh, yeah.
519
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:45.000
That clean, really nice, enjoyable experience. Yeah.
520
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:58.000
No, they're probably those, like. I mean, just because, I mean, he's. He's got a lot of employees in the rest of the building, and they're probably those toilets that are slanted at a weird angle so nobody wants to go to the bathroom for a long time.
521
00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.000
He's really uncomfortable.
522
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.000
Yeah.
523
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:03.000
Has those old school black toilet seats that used to be in all the public bathrooms.
524
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:12.000
I love those ones. Those are. Those. Those are the best. You know, you're going to a good bathroom. When they got those on.
525
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:20.000
It's those other ones with the front opening so your thing can touch the toilet, the toilet rim, which is always great.
526
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.000
You're like, what?
527
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:30.000
Every. Everything I wanted to like. Yeah, it's everything I wanted out of a, you know, public bathroom is to have more of my body parts touching parts of the toilet.
528
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.000
Exactly.
529
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:37.000
It's. Well, Toilet Talk was brought to you by Mr. Fantastic. And his face.
530
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.000
His face.
531
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:45.000
And now we're Back to. And Ils is fighting the Hulk.
532
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.000
Mr.
533
00:59:45.000 --> 01:00:06.000
Fantastic is grabbing Rick. He grabs Rick. He drabs, drags him back in. And Banner's very excited. He says, richards, you've done it. Thank the Lord. But he looks weak. Looks so weak. And Mr. Fantastic's like, you would, too, if you'd been through what he has. But I think he'll be all right.
534
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.000
Wow.
535
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:27.000
What has he been through with you, Mr. Fantastic? And Rick says, sure. Bet you believe in Santa Claus, too. He doesn't think he's going to be all right, but then he sees Luann. He's very excited. And they embrace and they kiss. And Mr. Fantastic's like, hey, will you help my friend Ben Grimm? He doesn't want to be the Thing anymore.
536
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.000
Aha.
537
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:49.000
And so we get a World War Hulk scenario where the Hulk is living in the Negative Zone and fighting all the bad guys and in an internal fight with Annihilus and just super happy because he gets to be the Hulk all the time. He has his own stomping grounds. He has his own battle. He's just happy forever, man.
538
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:50.000
Yeah.
539
01:00:49.000 --> 01:01:11.000
And Rick Jones. Rick Jones goes off, and he's happy, too. And. And they all meet up, and his friend Luann, and he's going to go off and be his own folk singer, and it's great. And he says, marvel is alive and liberated. He's free from the Negative Zone forever.
540
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.000
Yeah.
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Everybody seems happy. So maybe we did see you. Maybe that's the difference. And the Hulk is happy too. Teen Hulk is out fighting in the Negative Zone and the Watcher's happy to even though he's not allowed to be. He said how true is the prognosis of Rick Jones. For where else but in the Negative Zone could the Hulk enjoy such unbridled freedom? Freedom to bound through an entire universe to exercise that vast power in his emerald limbs. Wow. Look at it. Listen to him just try. Describe the Hulk. I think he has a crush.
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He might.
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Where but here can the Hulk now respect and admiration. Yes, even love. And as the mighty noble mighty and noble champion who liberated one and all from the tyranny. Tyranny of the oppression of Annihilus. I almost did that backwards. Almost said tyranny of the oppression of the nihilists. Which is not what we're trying to do. I should like to know of such a place. For I am the Watcher. Isn't that so sweet? The Hulk is loved. And we get a command for the next issue and it says what if Conan walked the earth today? We already know.
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I. I know.
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Become governor of California.
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I was going to say. Well, I was going to say I've seen the TV show that, that it's very much that but not.
547
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Who is that star?
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Can't tell you because that's another episode.
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Well before we get into the letter column and find out who we should that chastise for locking this theory. I don't believe you. We get. Let's find out what happened to Rick. So after the saving the world from the Kree Skrull war, Rick is convinced by his manager to form a short lived duo, Rick and Dandy.
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Oh nuts.
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By 1978's Marvel team up number 74. So he disappears for a while apparently because now we're back here at this timeline, he's a big enough deal that he's a musical guest on Saturday Night Live the same week that Spider man and the cast of SNL fight the Silver Samurai.
552
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Oh wow.
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This is an issue of a comic I want. Yes. He's not, he's not making this up. Is this a real thing?
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John Belushi in that one with his Samurai Summer. Because that's pretty epic.
555
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Is that Marvel team up number 74?
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We need to read that next.
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Yeah, I want, want, I want listeners. If, if you have Marvel team up number 74, which I'm sure is very expensive.
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Send it to Greg.
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You can send it to one of us and, and we will just let us know. That's, that's some Crazy shit. Then it says Rick's career. And I, I, I was correct. So Rick does. He was a big deal. Here's where I wasn't wrong. Well, and I was kind of happy that I wasn't wrong. And also kind of sad. Cause I was kind of hoping I was wrong that Rick didn't just disappear. It says Rick's career seems to have gone into decline over the next decade or so. In a couple of 1991 issues of the Incredible Hulk, he's playing in a bar band that also includes Real World actors Bill Mummy and Miguel Ferrero. An imposter in 2002. In the two in a 2002 Alia storyline has convinced everyone that he's the real Rick Jones. Even playing gigs around New York. So he managed to get into that series. Huh.
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I wonder if he's in the TV show, because I have Paul, Jesse.
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I don't know. It's. That's a very different and very. No, that's Jessica Jones you're talking about, not Alias. It's.
562
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No, no, no, no. I have Alias.
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I don't recall him appearing in Jessica Jones.
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I have Alias, which is.
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Yes, yes, but the Alias TV show is not based off the Alias comic book. Jessica Jo. Based off the Alias comic book.
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Are you telling me that, that I, that that what I've been told is not true? What if Jessica Jones was.
567
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What if Jessica Jones was a character that would be approved by the article Women in refrigerators. You know what? I'm not touching that topic right now. We are moving on.
568
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You were in a happy mood knowing
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that I was in a happy mood. And then I was rapidly wanting to. Yeah, I don't want to talk about that right now. Maybe we read that someday and then I can really meta analyze a book. Anyway, the real Rick by that point, has another. Has another body swap situation going on, this time with Marvel's son, the third Captain Marvel genus Velvet. Okay, which rhymes with. Which leads to his being stranded for a while in the Microverse universe that can only be reached by shrinking to a subatomic size.
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Oh, wow.
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So they. So they basically just copied the atoms thing.
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Oh, the atoms.
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And then Micronauts.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But they don't own micronauts, so they had to create their own thing. Of course, his music has become wildly popular across the thousands of Microverse planets. As his fans call themselves Jonesy's.
576
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Oh, that sense. And he made his own soda.
577
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Yeah, yeah, he did. After his return to Earth, Rick has one last pop hit in 2004's Captain Marvel, 19, a love song to his ex wife Marlo, who's dating the superhero superheroine Moondragon at the time. Rick's subsequent adventures have included work as a hacktivist under the name the Whisperer, death by firing squad during HYDRA occupation of the US and resurrection as the monster subject B. But not much in the way of music. Why would so many aliens be so interested in Earth's musicians? Though that question may have been answered by still another alien, Captain Marvel, the Kree warrior Novar. And we're off because we're now talking about the Young Avengers series. So, yeah, that is Rick Jones, if you ever want to know. And so, yeah, I mean, I wasn't wrong. Rick Jones pretty much disappears after the Kree Skrull war. He has a few appearances here and there, but a very popular character in Marvel lore for a long time and then just, he's gone.
578
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It's almost time for him to resurrect.
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Yeah, well, he, he could. I mean, if you need a folk singer in the Marvel universe right now, I, in fact, maybe he'll show up playing at the Retro Emporium one day.
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You know, we do have a full band show coming up quite soon. Rick Jones might be.
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You had a folk singer at the last thing, so.
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But folk punk.
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Do you think she would consider herself to be a folk singer?
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Senior song?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Very much.
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You write songs. Very, very. I, I just want to stress I didn't say the name on purpose because I was being a little bit critical, but I, I, as I told Greg, this is like me being critical of a really good comic book. Fantastic singer, a fantastic songwriter. Just needs some maturity on the show, selection of the songs to make the crowd enjoy the performance as opposed to have to digest the performance through sadness. Yeah, I think like she's, she's very, very talented.
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It was a great performer. Wrong line.
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Yeah.
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So the lineup was off.
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I don't think my criticism would change. I, I think still I'd want some, some happiness sprinkled in there.
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There's happiness.
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You need those times.
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It just didn't look.
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You need those times when the audience is just enjoying with you the things. Yeah. Well, anyway, we get some feedback from what if number 10. That's where if. What if Jane Foster gained the power of Thor. And one Peter Brown from 29. No, sorry, I messed that up. Dyslexic. Sorry. Let's try that again. 1 Peter Brown from 26923 Normandy, Bayville, Ohio, 44140. So if you disagree with Mr. Brown, about a book we never read. You can write Mr. Brown. And tell him what? He's indeed incorrect. I'm sure he's still living there. What if number 10 was a very good issue and was much enjoyed in this quarter, but there's one mistake on page 12. Panel four, Thordis says you're going back to Saturn. But how did she know they were from Saturn? They never mentioned it. I've been reading Thor for some time now, but I was unaware that the hammer gave him esp. I'm expecting a no prize. But aside from that one small error, what if number 10 was a good
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issue
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and it looks like that one Roy Thomas gave him the no prize. The no prize is yours, it says. And do you know who the assistant editor under Roy Thomas was? Somebody who made us suffer. One Mark Grunwald, Who by all means, fantastic career as a writer. So I don't want to just suffer. Well, my friend, do you feel better? We have made it through. I. You know, I'm glad I wasn't doing a drinking game with this. It was less than reading all the issues of Millennium, but it was a lot. I am not ready to do another what if next week.
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Oh, for shame.
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But we will think of something. Also, I told Greg we're coming close to our 200th episode.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Of the unlost episodes, which started at 2.
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47 people. If you've been listening since the beginning, 200 episodes of your time has been spent with us, Dan and Greg.
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And I can't promise anything yet, but we are going to try to do something special for the 200th episode.
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Oh, my gosh. I don't know what we're gonna do.
605
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You don't, because you are non committal to helping me make it happen.
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I am committed. We talked about it last week and I. I said, that sounds great.
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Did you send a text message? Did you reach out?
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You want to do this thing? And I was like, yeah, sure. We should start a Patreon.
609
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That is not yet. That may be happening, too. That may be happening in the next few months. The 200 episode.
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Everybody, please give us money.
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I'm still trying to figure out what you get from being a Patreon subscriber.
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Oh, friendship. No.
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Our love and admiration.
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Yes.
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But that is not it.
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However, 20 minutes of Dan cry instead. SA.
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We are. We are trying to. We're trying to make something happen. Yeah.
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We want to make something happen. We want. We want to do something special for that 200th episode. We want to see about getting that.
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This is what you get on Patreon.
620
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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More Juliet the dog.
622
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It's just 20 minutes to Juliet on camera.
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Yep. We could do maybe Patreon viewers. I'll get a second camera, and we'll aim that second camera down at Juliet's bed while she attentively rests while we're on the podcast. And then we'll have us here. And then you would get that.
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And then I can get another camera and set it up on. On the Piggy Smalls. And then people can go, oh, the little pig sleeps all the time, too. And then they'll be like. It'll be like, oh, oh. Well, we're gonna put. We're gonna tip for Piggy or we're gonna tip for Juliet.
625
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Well, you know who win that battle?
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Well, I. We won't know until we try it.
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I mean, it's a given. Some people are saying that Juliet is
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the best dog, and some people already know that Piggy Smalls has a cool name and is amazing at her age.
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9 out of 10 Dennis agree that Juliet is the best dog.
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In fact, Piggy Smalls has no teeth.
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See? So. Well, on that note, also, thank you to the Retro Emporium. I mentioned them a few times on this episode, but, hey, check out the Retro Emporium's Facebook page and YouTube page. No, not YouTube page. Facebook and Instagram pages. Yes, for notifications about when they have concerts and cool stuff happening. They have, like. I don't know what these are, but they have something called a blokey party.
632
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A blocky party. It's where you get to build your own.
633
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It's a blokey. It's a. So you have blokes and then ease.
634
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Yes, blokes. It sounds like it's just a lot of. Right up your alley, Dan.
635
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It's like a lot of guys with must with 1940s mustaches Building bricks together.
636
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Yeah, no, we're. We're building Transformers, Jurassic park models. Sometimes people are building Marvel characters because of Marvel models. Naruto, anime singers, Nico.
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Well, we mentioned that. Mentioned that. Of course. A couple more things to plug. Obviously, we mentioned Jiu Jitsu Lawyer Paul. If you have a legal issue and you need some help and. Because we all do sometimes, and let's face it, there's just a lot of. Of stuff. The crazy stuff that can happen. But you could. You could reach out to Jiu Jitsu Lawyer Paul. You just give Kelly, his assistant, a call and talk to her, and she'll set you up an appointment. With Paul. Well that number is. It is 253-656-4475. Jiu Jitsu Lawyer. Paul is licensed in the state of Washington and state of California.
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What? Yeah.
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So if you have. And he does a lot of employment things. So Squatch a man if you're out there and Greg has not kidnapped you again, I've never kidnapped. We're waiting for your caller. Paul would would like to hear from you and tossing that out there. And of course you know it would never be a complete podcast right if we didn't mention the wonderful book that's coming out from Travis Webb.
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Oh yeah, what's that book?
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And Brett Wadelli. Yeah, maybe you've heard of it. Cyborg Parts through many universes. 28 References to Cyborg Parts. A long story by Travis Webb and Brett Wadelli.
642
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What if he backed it on Kickstarter?
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What if you did want to back it? You would have a link and we're going to give it to you each week and you back that link. You look at that link and you hit a button and then it will tell you when the story is coming out.
644
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Oh my gosh. Do it people.
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And, and, and then finally last but not least but I mentioned my bathroom.
646
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Oh yeah.
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If you are in the Pacific Northwest the person doing our bathroom one Dylan Potter. I always forget if it's Potter home renovations or exactly what the name of his business but man doing some bang up work up there. It's not done yet but I see the progress coming through all the time and my good it'd probably be done by the time this podcast comes out. Not saying that the podcast comes out beforehand or anything or we record ahead of time and do things but it never happens. But man paying up work, professional just doing a fantastic job. So if you are in the Pacific Northwest and need that just draw me a line and I can send you Dylan's way.
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Does he do all sorts of home renovations like bathrooms?
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I think so.
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Floors and decks and other things.
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I don't know about decks but I mean he, he can all sorts of stuff do all stuff in the house. Yeah.
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So sure.
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And, and if he's at your house and somebody comes to rob you, you, you don't have to. You're. You're. Yeah. Nothing like having a former light heavyweight slash heavyweight mixed martial artist, you know, repair, you know, renovating your bathroom. Yeah, I feel pretty safe if somebody comes in here and, and, and last, most importantly, Juliet very accepting but still sits down here with me. But Toa in love with Mr. Potter.
654
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So good with dogs.
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Yes, absolutely. Walks in, wants to give Toa scritches and Juliet scritches. Yeah, it's fantastic. So that's good stuff. And he has a cool boat. So we'll. Yeah, there you go. And then finally, finally, the most important plug of all.
656
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Right.
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The most important plug of all. Is it. You should come back next week.
658
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Yes. Because we don't know what we're doing. But you're gonna like it, Dan.
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Oh, you're gonna like it. We're doing something and something. We'll take you through it. I will promote that one up there for you. I will let you all know what we're doing before we have the next podcast. But join us. We're gonna cover a comic book from sometime in history, and that comic book will be fun, and it will not have 28 references to other comic books yet. Yet. So that's it. That's all I got. And we appreciate you. We love you. Come back and listen again. And yeah, hopefully we saw you at SummerCon. That'd be awesome if we didn't hit us up. Oh. Oh, yeah. At the 1 minute, 1 hour and 19 minute mark, there is one more thing. Listener Jason responded.
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Yeah. That.
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It was Don Can's own grand slam. He told us to date, he gets one ticket to Grid City Comic Con.
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Oh, my gosh.
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If anybody else wants a ticket to Grit City Comic Con, I will come up with another contest for you.
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All right,
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so actually, I can tell you right now, as of today, the Mariners have not played yet today, so it would be yesterday. So if you can tell us the day, we're recording this yesterday, the Mariners had won seven games in a row.
666
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Oh, my goodness.
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And that means we're recording before the Mariners play and go for game number eight. I'm probably jinxing them right now, but if you can let us know. If you let us know the day the Mariners won their seventh game in a row, you, too can win one ticket to Grid City Comic Con next November.
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Let's go. Don't forget, don't change your underwear. Don't change your socks. Nope.
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We'll be there. You should come, too. It's a cool con. All right, that's in Tacoma, Washington. So if you want to take it to that, reach out to us and let us know. All right. That's it. That's all. That's all. If you listen this far, you are a trooper. You got all 28 references. And we're out.
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You are. Oh, geez.
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Now we're really getting sued now press the button. That's it. Goodbye, everyone. Before Greg gets us sued Disney. He didn't say that. You think you own the rights to it? You think Stan Lee was always with Disney.
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He didn't say the rights to it.
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Right. You know that. And of course he didn't say that. I'm going to get sued for this part. Of course. Stan Lee was always part of the Disney universe. Always and forever created the company with Disney. Yes. In fact. Yeah. Conversations involved all the time. Bye, everyone.
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He's in the Frozen.