40. The Brain Health PlayBook with Dr. Trevor Berry

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Okay, so this is the functional medicine reality podcast.
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Welcome again.
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I am your regular host, Dr.
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Mark Sue.
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This is Dr.
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Trevor Berry.
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He is a board-certified chiropractic neurologist.
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He's an international speaker.
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He's an author.
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The list could go on and on and on, quite honestly.
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And I'm going to glaze on you a little bit myself in a second.
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So soak that in.
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All right.
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I was going to say be ready, but I'm just going to say soak it in because I think it'd just soak it in.
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Thanks, Large Sue.
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It's a pleasure to be here with you.
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So he's a published researcher.
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He specializes in brain health.
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All right.
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So for the common person from my experience in the more mainstream America, and I trust I know that you won't take it the long way, but look, a lot of people are like, wait, chiropractor, brain health, right?
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What's that about?
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We're going to get into that.
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So um neurodegeneration is a big topic for you, integrative functional neurology.
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So you founded uh Arizona Chiropractic Neurology Center, I think, right?
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That is correct, yes.
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Yep.
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And 30 years ago in practice, but I don't look a day over 28.
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But yeah, so that was about 30 years ago we started out.
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I was thinking like two days over 28, but uh pretty close.
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Same ballpark.
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So you you're an expert in low-level laser therapy.
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So yeah, we'll just call it lasers, all right.
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Um, but specifically low level low-level laser therapy, HBOTs or hyperbaric oxygen therapy, um, neurofeedback.
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You've done a lot of work in the um advanced laboratory testing and functional medicine world, helping patients recover, repair, optimize brain function.
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You've lectured, what, in like over probably half the time for at least 15 years, something like that?
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Yeah, all over the world.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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And not just in the US, around the world.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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Over in Europe and Australia and yeah, all over, all over the planet.
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So yeah, because that is, to your point, the brain health epidemic is not just a US-based problem.
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It is quite prevalent here, but worldwide, this is an issue that all all countries, all societies need to be dealing with in a probably, I would dare say, a better way.
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Where it's a very underserved and underestimated, you know, it's it's not a well-established domain as far as healthcare goes.
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It's a very underserved area of healthcare.
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So speaking of just brain health, so now you're uh in addition to your clinic, you are chief clinical officer and co-founder, one of the co-founders of Brain Restore Centers, which we're definitely gonna talk about.
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You guys are growing uh rather quickly, popping up um a network of clinics or or augmenting support uh providing a programming servicing within various um clinics around the country.
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So we'll definitely talk about that.
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But I just wanna so at the risk of hogging the mic, I'm gonna laze on you for a little bit.
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All right.
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So, you know, people who follow the podcast, they know we're not just like we're not inviting just anybody, or we're not really just like taking suggestions from people and just, you know, hey, uh, do you want me to be on your podcast or whatever else, right?
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Like we've never actually once done that.
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It's always by invite, and it's not, it's not an ego thing, it's just there's reason behind everybody we bring on, right?
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And uh so what's the connection between you and I?
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So I and I think I've mentioned this before, but look, so it goes back to where uh one of the NPs in our office, Michelle, right, for years, she was like, Mark, you got you we gotta get one of these lasers, we gotta get one of these lasers.
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And I'm like, dude, Michelle, it's like fifteen thousand dollars, right?
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I'm like, and I I and it's like a whole learning curve.
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It feels it feels uncomfortable familiar unfamiliar to me, certainly, blah blah.
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And that's a thing for me.
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I just need to get comfortable familiar.
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But here's the thing she she had seen you lecture in, I don't know, at least twice, if not three, maybe even more.
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I don't know.
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But she'd seen you lecture several times, and she just like would not mog you stop moging on how great you were, right?
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And and I wasn't like doubting any of this, but you know, I'm a guy, I'm a little skeptic as a background, and and it's more just like, hey, uh, I don't disbelieve you, Michelle.
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It's just um you when you're asking for$15,000, I'm not gonna just say yes because of you saw this guy whose lectures awesome, right?
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So fast forward, you know the story, right?
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So we uh so we're at this conference in the fall of 2024, I believe it was, because we didn't have it last year, so 2024.
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And I'm texting our buddy Drew Kidder, right?
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Hey, uh Drew just saying hello.
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It's the night before the conference starting.
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It's like, hey, hey, I'm here at dinner.
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I'm I'm having I'm having a having some food.
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Trevor Burrus, you want to hang out?
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I was like, I know who he is by name.
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We meet there.
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Um, wasn't that long, but uh hey, we made a connection.
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Yeah, easy to chat with you, as everyone will find out if they haven't met you before here on this session.
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And so uh you were the first presenter on the first day, right?
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Lead-off batter, which is a big deal.
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And during and after that talk, you know, what kept going through my head was like, I see why Michelle's enamored with this guy, right?
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This guy's a stud, man.
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Like he he presents super well, he's like super articulate, he's funny as crap, he's got all kinds of humor.
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Like on stage, like he's he's like polished, but he's not like overly polished, right?
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He's very relatable.
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And holy crap, like, do I remember like you consulted for NASA?
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My goodness.
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I'm blushing.
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Like, what's the lighting?
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It's it's I I think I'm blushing here.
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I'm not gonna be able to get my.
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Did I tell you?
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Am I right about that?
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Did you consult for NASA?
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I I worked with the space stuff in regards to helping with consulting on on some of the space-based activity as far as their brain health when they're doing stuff for prolonged times up in the space station and things of that nature, yeah.
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Okay.
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So effectively, yes.
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Okay.
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You've you've like published all these papers on laser treatments and blah, blah, blah.
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Your your slides, your information.
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I mean, I'm not just saying this to because we're here, whatever.
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I I if I hadn't gone to this detail before, I was like, well, I'm gonna take this opportunity and just like, you know, blaze on your bit.
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I was I was a little overwhelmed, right?
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So I come back and I just like, I was like, okay, Michelle, I I see where you're coming from.
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I get it.
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Like he could have sold me pencils, all right?
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He could convince me about anything.
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And then, as you know, so I sent uh I sent a pay, you know, a pa, not even a patient, just a family friend in town who we won't go into that story and all that stuff, but uh just a coincidental thing, the summer after, right?
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So that was last summer, and the the family was like, we're gonna go, yeah, we're up for going to see Trevor.
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We're gonna fly out to Arizona and see him.
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And I decided, hey, this is an opportunity I've been thinking about forever.
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I just didn't pull the trigger.
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I'm gonna go with you and follow along.
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And like my jaw dropped, right?
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The things I saw happening there, and it wasn't like we saw a lot of patients there.
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I was with you for like two or three days, maybe three, two and a half.
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And I still tell those stories this to this day, right?
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Of like, it was like voodoo.
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I literally tell people like this is like witchcraft voodoo.
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And I won't go into the details for privacy and all that stuff, but it's like it doesn't even do it justice to say it as a tease without describing like what was happening there.
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Okay.
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But bottom line is what you do, what you've always done or have you know continue to do, but you've transitioned now, and we'll get into that.
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It's it's like it's like one of a kind, right?
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And then lastly, last, lastly, so soak that in.
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After that conference where we met, no, no, it was after that summer.
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Okay, so last year, after that uh that time that I was at your office, I'm at another conference.
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And Drew Kitter again, we're hanging out at at this conference, and I'm telling him about what I saw, and I'm just like gabbing away about how I was like, what the frick just happened?
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Like, what the heck did I just see?
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This is crazy.
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And he's like, So I won't name names, you know.
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But he's like, Did he tell you about that?
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He got so-and-so, the celebrity, like blah, blah, blah.
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And you know, look, for me from the Asian community, like we're not, we're really bad.
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We we like purposely don't self-promote, right?
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We don't talk about ourselves and such uh historically, okay.
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And you know, I perceive like you're more you're super jokey, you're really outgoing, and all that kind of thing is like the opposite end of the spectrum as we were just joking about before jumping on.
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And um, and Drew was like, yeah, he just he won't talk about those things because like he's just too humble.
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And I was like, I I know you like that because we've had some of these conversations, but I was like, holy crap, you got that celebrity guy to like do that?
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Are you kidding me?
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So I know you've worked with my point is filling out the rest of your resume here.
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I know you've worked, you've told me you've worked with Olympians who they were okay with you giving their story.
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You've worked with politicians, you've worked with like incredible high-level celebrities, you've freaking consulted for NASA, you've published all these papers, and like the leg the legacy, or as my kids like would like to say, like your aura just keeps growing almost year by year.
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And I have it's not like I see you that hardly ever.
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Like once a year I might see you.
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And it's like, what's up with this dude, right?
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He's like not from this earth, right?
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So, anyway, there you go.
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How's that for an intro?
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Anything else you want to add about your who you are?
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No, Mark.
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I I first I sincerely thank you.
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You are too kind, and it's a mutual admiration society, obviously.
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Uh just we But I've got no cred for that.
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Well, no, I disagree.
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I'll push back on that.
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There's a reason why we gravitate and we resonate with each other.
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So you are a brilliant clinician, and I love that you think like I do.
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Like you think outside the box.
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It's not just you know, certain dogma, and we we we try and pull in as much as we can, especially when it comes to brain health, because it's it's not a single smoking gun.
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There's not one modality, one thing that's going to be the magic bullet to do these kind of brain health conditions.
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So the more we can draw from, the the more effective we'll be.
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And it's so important because you know, if you think about it in practical terms, I could line up 10 of my Alzheimer's patients and have 10 different treatment strategies.
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But what I try and do in my methods is there are certain foundational things that you and I will talk about today that that really are pillars that can be used for all brain conditions, whether it's a neurodegeneration, post-concussion syndrome, neurodevelopmental things like that.
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And you cut you started to touch on some of them.
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But so that's the kind of thing that I try and do is draw from as many primary sources to address brain health and at the end of the day bring awareness because I that's such an issue in this country that you know.
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I always think of it like this we'll go to a dentist once or twice a year and brush and floss every day and things like that.
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We're not doing that at all with brain health.
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Are people getting a brain checkup even once a year?
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Are they getting it ever?
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Are they getting it only when they, you know, start having cognitive decline when they're 72?
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Or like we want to bring that awareness and that education to patients early on.
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Cause the best way to treat Alzheimer's is to do stuff right now to prevent it.
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That's your best treatment.
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There's not, there's not a magic thing that's that's out there right now.
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So I I try and look at it from that light.
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And you know, because the one of the things that that kind of, I dare say forced my hand in this, I I loved working with brain conditions in my office, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, post-concussion, things like that.
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But what was happening was there was such a demand, a need for education for other clinicians.
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And that's kind of what prompted me onto the lecture circuit to help spread that word.
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And then with what you alluded to with the brain restore centers, trying to bring clinics nationwide to address this massive epidemic, because just in the last minute of you and I talking, there were two Alzheimer's diagnoses in this country.
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Every 33 seconds, like a family is embarking on that Alzheimer's journey.
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Economically, it's looking at about, you know, if you factor in things like unpaid caregiving for family members and stuff, it's it's starting to approach a$1 trillion annual burden in this country.
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Just today alone, about 250 people will get a Parkinson's diagnosis just today in this country.
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So it's like these numbers are staggering.
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It's this kind of this elephant in the room that nobody's truly addressing.
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And we so we need all the forces going in the same direction to address this epidemic.
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And so that is part of my mission.
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This is why my my last project, if you will, that I'll be doing in my career is are these brain restore centers.
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Because if we can bring more of these types of clinics nationwide and continue this educational process, and I love, I'm so grateful that you have me on your podcast because the more I can educate both doctors and patients alike about brain health and things they can do right now to prevent brain deterioration and degeneration, then that's that's my mission.
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So yeah, no, I love that.
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We can just jump right into that because um, you know, look when when I was at your office uh so it's uh just short just short of a year ago, I think.
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Yeah, just short of a year ago.
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We had this, I don't know, for me anyway, it was this like meaningful heart-to-heart conversation about uh the reality of medicine, right?
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Because we were talking about, hey, I was asking you, I know you have some colleagues, right, who you lecture co-lecture with, or Michelle's seen them in lecturing as well, right?
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Who do this, and we're not gonna get into great detail about it, but the the functional neurologic chiropractic care, right?
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The FNC.
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And that was like a whole new thing for me uh since meeting you a couple of years ago or more.
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I better understand it now, but wow, it's so I asked you, look, hey, how much do your your colleagues like Brock and others do what you do, what I'm looking at or what I'm seeing here in your clinic?
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And you're like, not really.
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I was like, so this can't you can't scale this.
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No, we can't, right?
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You and I heard you tell the story to me as well as somebody else.
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Like, yeah, I've had somebody come in and take a look at what we're doing, trying to scale.
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I was like, they're like, this is crazy.
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There's no way.
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So we had this conversation about this is there's too many good things here that it's just too good to be just kept in your office or in your brain for that matter.
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And um, I don't know how far the BRC, the Brain Resource Centers was in evolution then.
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I think I'm guessing it had to have been in in evolution, no doubt, just how far I don't know.
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But that was the conversation was like, I said, there's gotta be, there's, there's pieces of what you do here that gotta be a benefit to the mainstream America that aren't like the the super that they have to fly here and they gotta spend a week for the for every single person.
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There's gotta be things that they can do at home or things you can do on a virtual level, or yeah, if they have opportunity to take advantage of with various kinds of services, um local time, et cetera.
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And then lo and behold, um, with time since that point, just within a year, I guess you guys have you know grown a lot with the Brazen Resource Centers.
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And so, yeah, it seems like you've transitioned a bit from, you know, just within a year, from my observation, maybe more was going on already, from this like, you know, and that not that I know it's still important to you.
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I know it has meaning to you that one-to-one person in front of you, individualized, customized care, like you said, 10, 10 Alzheimer's patients, you're gonna have 10 different protocols.
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But there is still value also differently in treating populations of people on a mass level.
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And so now you're, as you just told me before we jumped on, I'm not just overseeing my clinic, I'm overseeing how many clinics now across the country with other practitioners who are doing brain restored center work for patients?
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How many?
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We just onboarded our 26 and then 27 next next month.
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So yeah, it's it's it's really growing fast.
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And once once we went live and launched this, and yeah, the biggest challenge, and one of the reasons why this maybe hasn't, and to your point, about been really in essence done before is the fact that it's really hard to make something that's scalable and reproducible at a at that level.
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And so you had mentioned earlier about the complexity of like the functional neurology side of things.
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I'll give a shout-out to one of my mentors is Dr.
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Ted Carrick and the Kerrick Institute, because you know, in that setting, I just looked at the AC and B uh renewals today on the annual report.
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There's only 506 of us that got recertified last year.
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So that's and they're kind of the top of the food chain with regards to functional neurology, like vestibular therapies and ocular motor stuff.
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So that by itself is very hard to reproduce.
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But there are components.
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So just to just to reiterate again, reiterate that there's only 500 functional neurologic chiropractors in the whole country that got recertified, yeah.
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So that got recertified license in the in the ACNB program.
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So it's like that, you know, that you know, when you look at it in that light, you could have my colleagues that are certified if if they were just focusing on Alzheimer's alone, it would take about 90 years just to do a 12 visit treatment plan working 40 hours a week to treat all the current cases, and that's not accounting for the million new cases every year.
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So it's like then you had to say, okay, we want to take, and so that's great to have that as a resource for those very difficult, like post-concussion cases.
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And just like all healthcare forums have real, you know, specialties in certain arenas, we do in ours as well, too.
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So then you start looking at it.
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Well, what are the foundational things that you that all brain case, like if you let's do it this way.
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When you look at a lot of us are using AI platforms, and I open I get open AI like ChatGPT and Claude, there can be bias, whether it's political bias, your own personal bias of your algorithms, things like that.
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But then you there's also other AI algorithms like consensus, for example, that's based on over 220 million published papers that are indexed.
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And so that AI is only drawing from published literature.
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And if you put in prompts in there, like if you only had to the top, say five modalities to protect and repair the brain, and even in the what the clinical the research is showing, even reverse conditions like Alzheimer's, number one that comes up in in both of those platforms, open and consensus, is exercise, is move.
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We're receptor-driven systems.
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And this is one of the big things that will start to explain functional neurology is that kind of what goes in the brain dictates what comes back out.
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Just like when we're learning to ride a bike, we start to develop pathways as we start to pedal and stuff that that we can learn how to ride that bike.
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It's the same thing in healthcare.
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We can do stuff to activate the system certain ways to change the network in the brain, to change faulty pathways, to you know, reorganize the brain.
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And it's it's called neuroplasticity.
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It's as long as you're living, one of the big take-home points I want for your audience, as long as you're living and breathing, you have the opportunity to change your brain.
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You're not stuck with the brain that you have today.
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And one of the ways we do that is just move.
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We it the the simple act of moving is half the battle for half the audience.
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We're such a sedentary society right now.
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Now, I like to work in things that that can actually even further create growth factors and new pathways for the brain.
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Like HIT training is a really good example for your audience.
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If you want to take one take-home point for growth factors for the brain, and for people who don't know what that is, high interval, high intensity interval training.
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High intensity interval training.
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Just like one minute on, one minute off for three minutes is huge for growth factors for the brain.
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Another huge thing that I want your audience to take home is resistance.
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Lean muscle mass and resistance training is so critical for brain maintenance and brain health.
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Just think of it this way: when you're doing a bicep curl, you're actually releasing growth factor vesicles that circulate in your blood, actually crossing the blood brain barrier to grow new pathways.
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It's called BDNF and other types of growth factors like that, let alone that the only constant physical that we have is gravity.
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And that's constantly discharging to keep our brains alive.
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And this comes back to your reference to some of working with some of the astronauts and whatnot, is that when they don't have as much gravity pulling down on them, their brains start to atrophy.
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No matter, and they're in centripal forces, they're they're being pulled down with pulley systems to exercise.
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But you need so the more lean muscle mass you have, that's a big predictor in longevity and brain health.
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This is why I'm starting to push back a little bit on the GLP ones, the you know, the these weight loss things, because what we're finding is upwards of 40 to 50 percent of that weight loss is lean muscle mass.
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It's not just fat that's being it's bone density and lean muscle mass.
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And that's a pretty big price to pay considering that that muscle strength and lean muscle mass is such a predictor for brain health.
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So, so I'm gonna push back a little bit on the yo, it's a massive wave of people doing all these GLP ones.
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I'm not gonna pick on one particular product, but you know, it's like the Ozempics of the world, the Wagovies, the trusepatitis, things like that.
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And what also is scary about that is when you do lose that lean muscle mass, it comes your weight comes back typically when you stop these most of these drugs, and it doesn't come back as lean muscle mass.
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It's coming back as things like fat.
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So, so we have to be careful.
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So, lean muscle mass is is really critical.
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So, we talked about HIIT training, resistance training, and then I want to throw in some, like maybe get into some complex training stuff, you know, where you're doing like a dance class or yoga or tai chi.
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That's why certain cultures, like when they're doing Tai Chi every morning, those complex movements are really good for brain pathway and development as well, and stress reduction and things like that.
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So those are some really good starting points.
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But at the end of the day, for a lot of the audiences, it's just getting up and move.
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Doing a fate like a zone one walk after dinner or something is sometimes, or getting up in the morning and going out, getting sunlight and setting your diurnal cycle with a walk is one of the best things you can do to start your day and actually just get physically active.
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So, but number two that comes up on that list is transcranial low-level laser therapy and photobiomodulation.
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And you've got something.
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Yeah, something sitting right next to you.
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Why don't you go ahead and turn that thing on?
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Yeah.
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So you asked me to put this on, so yeah, or to bring it with me.
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So yeah.
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Yeah.
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So there's like there, that company is the one that I do lecturing and research and things like that for.
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Um, that's erconia.
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They're a true uh low-level laser that's class two.
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And and you had mentioned, you know, you you the price point when you look at investing in a true laser, but you know, the one thing I say if if this is the technically the number two thing you can do to protect and repair your brain is transcranial laser stuff.
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What price do you put on that?
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What's your brain worth?
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You know, to me, I that's one of the things I always tell my audiences is like, I your brain's worth billions of dollars at the end of the day.
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So the fact that you have a device, go ahead and shine it on your head.
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This is not I figured you'd ask me.
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I figured you'd ask me.
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A surgical laser.
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These are, you know, this is a low level.
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Showing up there?
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This is a class two, yeah.
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So you can see this is one of the newer ones.
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It's got the green and violet.
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And so we'll we'll probably get into the different colors and how we're seeing red is the most commonly used color.
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That's why you're gonna hear us talk about red light therapies and whatnot.
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But now we're seeing more evidence with violet and more evidence with green.
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So it's pretty interesting.
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Device, and you just by putting that light on your head, we're seeing you know all kinds of excellent changes.
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Because like I'm seeing green and purple.
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What's that?
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Yeah, so the vibe.
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I'm seeing green and purple.
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Yeah.
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Well, as I remember in the I remember in the conference, you were like, people are always asking, like, is it okay with my eyes?
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And you're like, I'm shining right my eyes.
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It's it's a little bit okay.
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Let let's put a let's put a little bit of a guardrail on that because liability piece on that, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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I'm not telling people to shine a laser in their eye.
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I'm just saying that the low level devices are so safe, you can actually Yeah, the safety.
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Yeah, and and so I don't want to, you know, take that out of context.
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I was just showing that.
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Yeah, we're not being we're not being cavalier, but the safety is great.
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Yeah, so so it's low-level light therapy or low-level laser therapy is is is like here's just two common examples.
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If you if you broke it down into two of the most fundamental models of brain demise, one of the models is inflammation.
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If your brain's inflamed, you're in big trouble.
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And we'll get into sources of inflammation, but you need to have a fire hose to put out that fire.
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Well, one of the best ways you can take out inflammation of the brain is laser to the brain.
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Level like that, you know, and this is a big thing in post-concussion.
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If you're an Alzheimer's genetic predilection, so you're gonna hear terms like Ape OE4 and Trem2 and thing.
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If you look at some of the top researchers, like out of Harvard, like Tanzy one, just because you have a genetic predilection for something does not mean it has to manifest.
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What's gonna push you off that cliff?
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The what number one causes inflammation of the brain.
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Well, so obviously it becomes very important that we knock out that fire.
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Okay, so laser to the brain is one of the ways we can do that.
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We'll talk about other methods like in nutrition and diet and lifestyle.
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Getting out of the standard American diet is one of our worst causes of brain inflammation, amongst many other things, but lasering the brain can put out the fire.
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The other model you hear about, and I'm actually changing the nomenclature of this and the phraseology, if you will, is that they talk about the energy failure model and the mitochondria or the powerhouse of the cell is a huge model in neurological demise.
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Well, that doesn't give the mitochondria enough credit.
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I call it the conductor of the symphony of the cell.
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Like it's it's regulating the metabolic building blocks for everything that cell does.
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It tells the cell when to die, it tells the cell when to replicate, it tells us what's a lot like how much calcium and iron, all these things that are going.
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That's all the mitochondria doing it.
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Look at Picard's work and people like that.
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So it, if you can augment mitochondrial output, you're going to regulate that cell in a much healthier manner.
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This is why so many people are doing like NADs and methylene blues and that kind of stuff.
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And so lasers are one of the best ways to promote mitochondrial output and regulation.
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And even we're seeing some evidence with the different colors having different effects, like the violet that you had, the green.
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We know there's a robust body of work with red changing the output of the mitochondria as well.
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It's even been shown when you laser the brain like that and put photobiomodulation, which is photobiomodulation, is just a fancy way of saying light modulating your biology.
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And if you put photobiomodulation on the brain, it's been shown to promote neurogenesis and mitochondrial biogenesis.
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So I'm gonna let that sink in for a bit.
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Our ability to make new neurons can be augmented with putting late light on the brain.
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Our ability to make new mitochondria by putting light on any tissue, not just the brain, a muscle, heart, that kind of stuff.
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So think about that in just what I've said so far.
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Lasers can knock out inflammation, they can promote mitochondrial integrity and output and make new pathways and growth factors for the brain.
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That alone is enough to stop right there, let alone all the other things we can talk about with lasers.
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And that's why when people ask me when I lecture and I'm teaching patients and whatnot, what's the one device that you won't take away from me in my office?
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And I do, as you mentioned, I do all kinds of, we draw from everything all kinds of different things.
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The one thing you won't take away from me is my laser.
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That is my number one tool.
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I kind of like have it like a gun holster.
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I have 14 of them in my office.
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But you know you have that many?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of like Pringles.
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Yeah.
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Once you have it's like Pringles.
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You can't have once you have one, you can't stop.
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You can't have just one, right?
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So no, but it's like we use it so so prevalently in our office that it would like we that's why we we want to have we have one in each room, and we have our handheld ones like you have, and and things like that.
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So, number three is oxygen therapies like hyperbaric.
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This is one of the reasons you have hyperbaric.
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I see you posting your pictures on social media, hyperbaric.
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So it's it, I love all oxygen therapies.
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This is why we want to address autonomics, like your blood pressure being too high or too low.
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We want to make sure you're getting good oxygen to the brain because it's using up like over 30% of your oxygen stores is that are being used by the brain on this that little organ right there.
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So hyperbaric is your arguably your best delivery method because you don't even need healthy, like you can be anemic and still get oxygen to the body with hyperbaric.
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We like high and low altitude, like EWAT, we love concentrators, just breathing exercises for your audience.
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So that's such a huge thing, like doing four, four, eight breathing in through the nose for four, hold it for four out the mouth for eight.
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So oxygenation to the brain is is paramount as well.
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Then comes diet and nutrition.
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Now, a lot of your audience will go, wait a minute, shouldn't supplements and diet be higher up on that list?
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They would if there was one domain that would actually check off all the boxes.
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Because there's there's some evidence that this supplement is good, but it wouldn't necessarily be in the top five or 10 modalities.
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Like if we're going to get into the supplement discussion, the evidence comes up as omega-3 fatty acids.
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They're essential fatty acids.
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We can't live without them.
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So fish oil is a big one there.
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The B vitamins in a good multi, and then you can get into some magnesium, is a very underserved area.
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And I can get into maybe down later on in the show, we'll talk about creatine and you know, some of these trendy things that are are getting a lot of in the spotlight right now.
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And then same thing with diet.
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You know, that's one of the things that that is there one best diet that fits all?
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Not necessarily.
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You know, for for me, the best diet.
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For you, it's the bacon diet.
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Yeah, well, okay.
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That's one thing I will joke about a lot is I'm trying to die of a bacon overdose.
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Like, what a way to go down.
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If I go down from ODing on bacon, then I die at a happy camp or so.
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But you know, for me, I always one way to look at it is the best diet is the one that the patient's gonna comply with.
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I mean, that's yeah, yeah, that's one way to look at it.
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But if you if you really pin me in a corner and said, Trevor, just give me the diet that's best for the brain.
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The brain works best on ketosis, ketone bodies are critical.
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That's why fasting, and and fasting's not the end all be all.
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Maybe we can touch on that, but fasting is a great caloric restriction, is another way to put that.
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And a lot of that's compared to the standard American diet.
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If we're eating standard American diet, yeah, the better alternative for that is probably not eating and doing caloric restriction.
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But I'm not gonna put a later stage, like a stage four or five Alzheimer's patient or late stage Parkinson's on fasting.
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I'll crash that patient.
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So you also have to have context to even the intermittent fasting.
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But ketone bodies, and this is why maybe even carnivore diet and things like that are getting some recognition.
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But I one of the things when I was teaching my docs when I'm doing grand rounds with the brain restore centers is I meant to say paleo and keto diet, and it came out kaleo.
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I'm like, wait a minute, that's the perfect diet.
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So I actually trademarked it.
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I actually did a book.
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I wrote a book on the Kaleo diet and the brain restore kaleo program.
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So that's a good way to look at is paleo and ketones.
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And an easy way to think of it is like, would your great-great-grandparents recognize what you're eating?
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Like, what did Mother Nature put on this planet?
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That's kind of the this oversimplified model of it didn't put aspartame on our planet, it didn't put ultra-processed foods.
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Like, we want to eat what mother nature put on this diet, and that's what's best for brain health.
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So that's kind of a quick snapshot of like the top, say, four domains, and then we can even expand on that, get into sleep, neurofeedback, all these other things.
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But we'll come back to that.
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Well, so so first of all, like, yeah, well, I've seen you in some joint visits, obviously, as you know, with uh some a couple of patients from our office too.
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And like, yeah, this is you're demonstrating lifetime, just how like how much is up there, and then it just like comes all out, and uh like hang on to your horses, right?
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Like hang on to your house.
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It's like there's gonna be a lot coming at you.
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.880
But it's not like amazing stuff.
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:34.519
It's good stuff.
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:51.319
So and and look, I mean, to the skeptic out there, because I'm I kind of think this way, so you know, I I know that you're uh you're very data-based, so this is also we're not gonna obviously we're not gonna go through and highlight references and all that stuff, but um, this this isn't like you're just pulling this out of your behind and making it up and you know, it's just it's trendy information.
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.480
This is because again, you've published a lot of papers, you're you're technical minded in that regard.
00:29:55.559 --> 00:30:01.000
So we'll we'll just like categorically just say that and call it a day for for those who are thinking along those lines.
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:06.120
But hey, so my my next thinking there is uh so how much of what you just just talked about there, right?
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:13.720
How much of that, if you wrap that all together, because I know that um, you know, on some level, I'm I'm I have some familiarity with what's happening in the brain restore centers, right?
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:24.600
The laser therapies, the uh the HBOT, the neurofeedback, which up to you if you want to get into in detail or not, and then a lot of these other like nutritional supplements, uh exercise, et cetera, the the coaching around all that.
00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:36.279
Can you give me like a high view on just uh what are common experiences or with the kinds of people being seen through the brain restore centers throughout the these 26 centers or maybe 20-ish, you know, because some of them are newer.
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:36.759
Okay.
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.840
And I know it's uh very spectrum.
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:40.680
So just most common trends.
00:30:40.840 --> 00:30:42.600
Who who's coming to these centers?
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.519
What kind of symptoms are they having?
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.920
And then uh what kind of outcomes are being seen?
00:30:47.160 --> 00:31:03.480
Yeah, so that'd say uh you know, we do see abroad, it was we were initially designing the program to be of primary pillars that we were in tracks we were gonna train and and do, you know, certain diagnostic parameter and and treatment parameters and protocols and things like that.
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.039
The neurodegeneration one was but the primary one.
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.480
So the Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, you know, that kind of stuff.
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.640
Um, yeah, so that would be a good, really good.
00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:25.160
The other one was more traumatic brain injury, like post-concussion, acute TBI, stroke, rehab, things, and then neurodevelopmental was another big track, you know, some of the developmental delay stuff and neurodivergent things like that, depending on what terminology you want to use.
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:29.160
So those would be a good way to kind of give it up those three buckets, if you will.
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.519
Now, that does that over the case.
00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:32.120
The kinds of patients showing up you're saying.
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.720
You're training the you're training the centers and the practitioners using, you know, collaborating with you guys as partners.
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.360
They're they're treating those kinds of buckets of patients.
00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:40.920
Yeah.
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.920
But if you look at it, it's pure as form.
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.799
Technically, you could just be wanting to do brain optimization.
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:46.840
You know, sure.
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:53.079
You know, you could be an athlete just wanting to make sure your brains, those domains, I like treatment stuff I just talked about, is perfect for that stuff.
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.680
And that's one of the reasons I work a lot with the the pro sports and things like that.
00:31:56.840 --> 00:32:07.799
But so it's it's let's just use a very well-established standardized model for diagnostics for neurodegeneration that can be easily done bedside, is called the MOCA, Montreal Cognitive Assessment.
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.240
Okay, it's a it's typically administered in about 10 minutes.
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.079
Another one is mini mental status exam.
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.480
You'll see that it's robust in the published literature.
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.960
They use that in a lot of the brain outcomes.
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:25.400
Like when you hear the president passed his neuro exam, well, one of the things they're talking about is the MOCA test, the Montreal Cognitive Assessment.
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:36.360
So it's a very good standardized test that that is is a one way to assess cognitive decline and uh spatial awareness and visual spatial processing and all these things that we look at in brain assessment.
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:45.400
Well, you know, I just had I looked at three different cases recently where the the patients were coming in with a MOCA score of less than 17 out of 30.
00:32:45.880 --> 00:33:00.200
So you know, one was 11, one was 15, and and when uh and and as they progressed through the program, they went from those kind of numbers where the moderate to severe cognitive impairment to scores above 22, 25.
00:33:00.360 --> 00:33:03.880
Like they're actually getting close to and and near the normal range.
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:11.160
And it's thought of in some of the the old school dogma of Western medicine that you can't do that with mocha and neurodigit.
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:19.880
Like it's basically Alzheimer's is this, and you just have to monitor it and and hope for the best and hope it doesn't go downhill that fast.
00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:25.000
And so when you start to I just want to pause on that for a second, just to highlight, reiterate what you just said, right?
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.880
Because people, a lot of people are not gonna know what a mocha is and they don't you you said the scores are out of 30, right?
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:37.240
But just to put it in context or perspective for some people, 11 out of 30, I mean, the person is not really having a conversation with you, right?
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.160
I mean, yeah minimally, right?
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:46.120
They if they if they can play it off well minimally, but it doesn't take a lot for anybody to figure out like this person doesn't know what's going on here, right?
00:33:46.360 --> 00:33:53.400
17 out of 30, like basically any family member is gonna be complaining, like they're not they're not pulling punches, like, oh yeah, no, they're okay.
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.160
No, no, everybody knows they've got issues.
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.120
17 out of 30.
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.200
These are these are meaningful low scores.
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:07.400
So when you say like they're climbing, I mean, even just by percentile, if you go from 11 to it's just called 20, and you're talking about it's almost like a it's almost a 100% improvement by just absolute numbers.
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.000
I mean, those are impressive numbers.
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:09.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:09.799 --> 00:34:15.079
And so that's just and that's using just one of our objective markers that we look at for outcome assessments.
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:26.679
You know, there's and that's the point is you're you're talking about objective data here, and and you know, whether you guys have larger data, I know you've guys have collected some data and whatnot, but we're we're not just saying like, oh, subjectively, this person was better and their family member said they're better.
00:34:26.759 --> 00:34:28.039
Like you can see the gauges.
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.240
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:33.800
And and so these are the kind of things that we're and not just one of the metrics that we're using.
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:41.960
You know, you want to try and come at, like, for example, we use an intracellular red blood cell analysis, the brain span test, to look at what their omega-6 to three ratios are.
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:55.400
That's one good lab test that that people should be aware of because one of the big predictors of brain health, as I uh uh kind of alluded to early about supplements, is what your good fats are versus bad fats in your in your body and how that affects the brain.
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.519
That's a huge thing.
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:58.920
But that's again the functional medicine side of things.
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.360
I want to look at labs.
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.199
What are you are you anemic?
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.320
Are you, you know, that kind of stuff.
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.280
So that whole arena, that whole pillar is critical.
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:07.559
So balance testing.
00:35:07.720 --> 00:35:10.039
You want to talk about a sensitive test for brain health?
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.599
It's not specific, but it's sensitive.
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:18.199
Like the the looking at force plate assessment is one of the most sensitive predictors of brain health.
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.519
And I I look at it in more practical terms.
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.360
The number one cause of preventable death in the elderly is falls.
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:36.440
And so if you're assessing balance, how much of a risk, a fall risk that they are, that by itself could be saving somebody's life because you can do things to train the brain and balance centers of it to be more stable.
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:41.320
Maybe they're a diabetic neuropathy and they don't feel their feet and you know that kind of stuff.
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:48.360
Well, we can do stuff with lasers, hyperbaric nutrition, whatnot, to help get blood flow and nerve activity back to the feet and ankles.
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:50.519
So to that's just one of many examples of.
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:58.119
I think you're saying these are all pieces of the uh the uh intake and evaluations recurrently with folks who go through the brain restore centers.
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.000
Correct, correct.
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.240
And then we do another big one is the QEG and neurofeedback side of things.
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:09.960
So you can put electrodes on the brain in oversimplified terms, map out what's happening with the signals of the brain.
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.840
Is is this area overactive or is it underactive?
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.920
Is this circuitry communicating well or is it not communicating well?
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.519
So that's another objective marker, and that's a well-established area as well.
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:20.840
Too.
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:29.559
And the other interesting thing I'll bring up, Mark, is the fact that each of these individual pillars or buckets, if you will, can be a very effective tool for brain management.
00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:33.559
Like just the diet and nutrition supplements, I think, can be very effective.
00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:36.199
Just lasers by themselves can be very effective.
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:47.000
Just oxygen, you know, so each of them, but but when you start having a synergistic effect by putting them all together, man, we're seeing stuff that is kind of unpre in certain ways unprecedented.
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:57.960
You know, I don't want to overstay anything because we're, to your point, we're collecting data because technically this is a fairly new model and we're bringing in all the data and we'll be doing all the analytics and more research and things like that.
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:03.559
But the what we're seeing from our first, technically our first year of being active has been phenomenal.
00:37:03.720 --> 00:37:06.280
Our outcomes have been, if not meeting, exceeding things.
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:16.519
And you're always gonna have people that are refracted, but that's also what we need to do is is have doctors that know that, well, okay, if this case didn't respond as well here, what other stones can we look under?
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.199
And you, you and I have talked about different things, like are they a mold patient?
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.840
Is a long COVID or you know, different things like that.
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.880
There's always gonna be confounders that we have to be able to address.
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:41.000
But when you said the term earlier, integrative functional neurology, that's what I try and do is draw and be able to have at least an understanding to look under different stones if a patient is being refractive and not just say there's nothing we could find and you just got to live with it.
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:48.920
I don't, I hate hearing that because it's like there has to be something causing the brain fog, the fatigue, the whatever dizziness.
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:58.679
It's just did that doctor or healthcare provider happen to look under all those different stones and did they provide all these multimodal modalities that maybe could have addressed that box?
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.199
If you're a one-trick pony, that makes brain health a lot harder.
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.199
You know, you can't, I don't want to just hang my hat on one single modality.
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.679
So that's why if you can draw from multiple ones, you're gonna give the best chance you get.
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.639
And to that end, I'm not an expert in all these arenas.
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.039
I'm good and very good in many arenas, but I'm not a Lyme guy, for example.
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.079
Here's just one example.
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:23.720
I refer out from my Lyme management stuff because that's a whole language unto itself.
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:31.720
So it's not like I sit here and try and claim to be an expert in every certain confounder and comorbidity, but at least I'm aware of it.
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:41.720
And at least I I don't just dismiss the patient as being, oh, it's just, you know, it's it's a psychological conversion thing or something, a somatic conversion disorder.
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:51.320
Like, no, like it may be, it may be, don't get me wrong, but there's probably stuff out there that we we just need to make sure that we're giving the patient as much help as we can to to do that.
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.639
And if we don't know it, refer to somebody that does.
00:38:53.720 --> 00:38:55.000
So many thoughts.
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:56.760
Let me let me let me throw out one.
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:02.679
Uh so this this might sound like it's a pivot, but uh it's it's related to some something or more than something you said.
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.320
Okay.
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.079
So I think it's, you know, you talked about, hey, uh, I I hear you, right?
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.800
Um that's that's the nature from my from my observation.
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:22.519
I think we agree is uh no doubt that that's the nature of uh functional medicine, root cause medicine, whatever you want to talk about is uh hey, the the yield of one thing is not necess not likely in in a lot of cases gonna be so evident like in conventional medicine, right?
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:31.000
Because that's just the nature of conventional medicine is because it's not so root causing and it's been you you're you're more apt to see the result more easily with one intervention.
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.199
But you're you're gonna be limited, extremely limited in your number of options and how far it can take you.
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:43.240
And so when we talk about uh when you say um yeah, I hate it when people say like uh there's nothing you can do, right?
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:44.679
I mean, that's the thing.
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.360
That's that from my observation in our in our primary care practice, and it's not even a conventional, typical primary care practice, right?
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:58.039
It's it's a it's it's the people here are more invested in their health in the standard mainstream America, just the way it's set up, et cetera.
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.559
And uh yet I think the far majority of people, they're still, yeah.
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.240
Um they're still either, I don't know, is it is it I guess I'm I'm asking you to reflect.
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:22.039
Like, do you do you have now that you've now that you're responsible for or now that you're exposed to a greater number of patients through these other clinics and other practitioners, have you have you developed any new reflections on just on a population level?
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:32.280
You know, do peop how what's behind some segment or what percentage segment of the population where that mentality, it's not necessarily just lack of awareness.
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:42.519
It might also, in some people's cases, be like just passive or victim, uh, you know, at the risk of coming across like I'm judging anybody, which I'm not, it's just it's a you know, it's just passivity, I guess I'll call it that.
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.599
I won't call it victimization, but just passivity.
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:55.320
Like it is what it is, you know, and and just lesser motivation or how awareness versus less motivation versus it's just you know, less motivation might be similar to like it's just too much work, right?
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:56.360
It's too complicated.
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:13.320
So I do I'm wondering how is any of that reflected with you guys' experience with the bus the brain resource centers, where hey, there are some percentage of people, like they come in, they're all excited, and then once we kind of get into play, even though we've got all this data and there's all kinds of people like making all kinds of great benefits, they kind of drop out because there's like it's it's a lot of work.
00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:27.320
Yeah, I think that's a great, great question and great talking point because that is kind of one of the issues that we need to overcome in this country to begin with, is that we've there's that element of taking responsibility for our own actions.
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:36.760
And like just think of it this way for every patient watching this and every person watching this, is that what you're putting in your mouth is probably either killing you or saving your life.
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:42.440
That may be an oversimplified model, but if it and then you know, we we feed so many bad habits.
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:47.079
And again, part of it is say the sugar in our diet and the carb loading that we do.
00:41:47.240 --> 00:41:54.519
The problem, just as one avenue of this discussion, is that that feeds your reward center of your brain called a nucleus accumbent.
00:41:54.599 --> 00:42:00.360
It's like this, it's at your addiction center, it's your reward center, and we start feeding this with all these sugars, carbs, all that stuff.
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.519
And we just want more and more and more of it.
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.000
And so we keep gravitating towards those kind of foods, and that's not brain healthy stuff.
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.000
You're just feeding the beast, so to speak.
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:14.599
So we as patients have to be responsible for our actions because I can't be with that patient 24-7.
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:21.320
I can't be there knocking food out of their hand and you know, going to bed at the right time and not having a bunch of, you know, that kind of thing.
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.720
So we do have to take responsibility for that.
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:32.920
And then from the how that kind of transition into healthcare is that unfortunately you'll and I hate to say it like this, but a lot of times patients are like, is there a pill for this?
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.440
Isn't there gonna be some pill I can just take to fix this?
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.280
And it's like that, that we've been indoctrinated a little bit into that dogma.
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:54.119
And I'm like, no, there's not gonna be a pill that checks off the inflammation model, the energy failure model, the neurogenesis model, the gymphatic model, the sleep model, the antioxidant, like all the things the brain needs, there's not gonna be a pill for that.
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:01.720
And then that comes to the doctor-facing side because this is not meant to bash a certain, like an allopathic model per se.
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.679
But what we have to work with on the pharmaceutical side is very limited in its capacity.
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:12.679
Most of these neurodegenerative conditions and post are they're not amenable to a surgical or pharmaceutical intervention.
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.920
And that's I'm not sitting here knocking that.
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:22.519
I'm just saying that, you know, the bit let's just use the the latest, the new kid on the block, if you will, the monoclonal antibodies for amyloid reversal.
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:32.360
So in English, what that is is those plaques that gunk up our brain, they they start to come out with these drugs that are are designed to reverse that amyloid placking.
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.960
And they were hoping that was going to be the night in shining armor, and it's not.
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:46.760
Like an April study from the Cochrane database, they looked at 17 trials on it, said it it is not worth it's not being clinically meaningful, let alone the risk involved that are associated with them.
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.639
The brain bleeds, the brain swelling, the deaths, things like that.
00:43:49.720 --> 00:43:53.800
And that's why certain countries didn't even allow that class of drugs into them.
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.320
The US did with some backdoor crony capitalism and stuff.
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:04.039
But so it's like if we think there's gonna be a pharmaceutical, like a monopharmaceutical that's gonna come in and again, stress tests.
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.280
Don't just believe me, Trevor Berry, talking.
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:19.720
Look at like when I stress tested that in in data analysis, like looking at PubMed and and Google Scholar and the you know consensus AI and things like that, they say it in there said there's not one drug that's gonna be the the answer.
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.280
To our prayers with things like neurodegeneration.
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:32.599
So this is why we need to take responsibility and be our own best advocate by moving and at least doing diet and lifestyle stuff to start to be your best.
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.400
That's the best remedy for neurodegeneration.
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.400
So yeah, I'm going to take that one step further.
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:37.800
All right.
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.480
So we're talking about people who they might show up at the at the brain restore centers, let's say with some kind of symptomatology, and it could be variable.
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.960
And then there's you're, you're, I think you're sort of uh inferring that there are some patients, right?
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.800
And it's not the brain center's restore center's faults, and it's not that we're not judging patients either.
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.800
It's just it's a decision, personal decision.
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.240
People have to engage, right?
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.440
And that's that's a thing of, in my opinion, it's a reflection partly on just who we are as a society culture in America.
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.840
You know, we certainly are stereotypically or perception by perception more instant gratification oriented than many other countries anyway.
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:11.559
And there's more of a, hey, uh, can you do it for me kind of mentality in the healthcare system, right?
00:45:11.720 --> 00:45:12.199
Seemingly.
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:12.519
Okay.
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:13.639
And that's what you're alluding to.
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:14.920
But let's take it one step further.
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:16.920
How about so you start at the very beginning of this?
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:30.920
You were talking about like there are how much are people like people are clean getting their teeth cleaned twice a year, but how many people are checking like their their brain status, much less doing something on a regular basis, like brushing and flossing every day, doing something actively about their brains?
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:40.119
So my question here is it's about the topic of the totally taboo word to me, that the unsexy and you know, turn the other way word, prevention.
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:40.599
Okay.
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:47.400
Or look, the the sexier term these days is like anti-aging and longevity, which is kind of like synonymous with prevention in my book.
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.440
Yeah, that's fair.
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.960
Heavily overlapped anyway, right?
00:45:50.199 --> 00:46:01.159
But the question here is like, do you have any kind of either change reflections again in the context of working with the brainstorm centers and seeing populations of people more now, or just personal reflections at all about, yeah, what what does it take?
00:46:01.240 --> 00:46:03.639
You you know, you kind of insinuated, hey, it's it's awareness.
00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:05.559
Like there are things we can do about our brains.
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:13.559
But we just also agreed, like, yeah, but even if we know we have things we can do, there's gonna be a meaningful number of people who are like, eh, you know, I'm not taking action for very number various numbers of reasons.
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:18.679
And again, not judging, like it we're we're freaking busy society for all kinds of reasons, and we won't get into that.
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:30.760
But are there are there any particular reflections on uh what are what are people incited most about and motivated about, especially in where they don't even really have obvious symptoms yet?
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.000
Well, uh to take action about their brain health.
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:43.480
Such a great point and questions you bring up there because it's like part of it is if your brain's going downhill and it's just not hitting on maybe you're hitting on two cylinders, so to speak, instead of all eight.
00:46:43.720 --> 00:46:57.800
If you start giving that brain energy and nutrition, and it's amazing when you start booting that system up, that also motivates patients to, you know, they're they might be more inclined to be like, hey, I'm actually more motivated and driven to do this.
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.480
You know, maybe their Parkinson's that's getting better dopamine integration, whatever.
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:11.720
So so that's that's one of the things is that sometimes you're just providing a platform that they can finally land on and start to go the other direction by giving them certain foundational things.
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:13.639
Some of it is is just understanding.
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:24.119
I'm summarizing, I'm just I'm quickly I'm just summarizing that is if you can make changes like get a quick win, then it shows people the compare contrast and like some quick sense of hope, and then maybe they're more incited to do other things, I think.
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:28.760
Yeah, like something like a brain inflammation often manifests like a brain fog, if you will.
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.519
And a lot of people are suffering from that.
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:38.440
And if that gets better fairly quick with things like hyperbaric and laser nutrition and whatnot, that already starts to go, oh wow, I'm thinking clearer.
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.760
I'm getting a better, you know, I was able to last longer doing my job today, whatever.
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:43.960
That that builds momentum.
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:55.880
Then the understanding that that to your point about lifestyle change and prevent, like if I'm doing a true lifestyle change and a nutrition change or a lab marker, I'm giving myself at least three months to to establish that foundation.
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:01.880
So it's not about to your point on like anti-inflammatory medication that may make their elbow pain go away right away.
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:03.240
That's not what this is about.
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This is a at least this is why we make our base platform a three-month platform.
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:19.079
It takes at least a month of reinforcement to create neuroplasticity, like to start making those pathways really connect and stay, like a new golf swing, a new, you want to do it for at least a month of reinforcement.
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:28.920
So that's a those are all talking points that aren't really necessarily common knowledge to the to the public because they don't realize that wait, this didn't change me in one week or one day.
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.720
I'm like, you know, not even God could do that for you, kind of thing.
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.079
It's like, no, I I say that.
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:39.240
Sorry, I shouldn't even go, but make jokes, but you know, that's something that here we go, the Trevor Barry, you're you were alluding to earlier.
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:40.840
So but no, it's it these are things.
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:41.400
That's right.
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:42.840
He heard you like back off on that.
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:43.639
Yeah.
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:45.559
You back up on your own volition.
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:46.760
Yeah, exactly.
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:53.400
So so that is part of it, is like the idea of like that when you talk about a lifestyle and prevention stuff, it's a lifelong journey.
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.119
And one thing I I think I I resonate with my audiences is that I am real.
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.519
Some of my my mentors, and you're good about this.
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.559
You're you're you eat way healthier and you're you're cleaner and and whatnot than I am.
00:49:05.720 --> 00:49:06.840
Okay, I know that for a fact.
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I don't know, man.
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:09.559
I don't how do you know?
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:24.199
Because we've had dinner before, we've had, you know, that kind of and so it's like, but my my question to the audience is I don't mind, and one of the things I'll you you kind of uh said something in passing, I think really should be said at this point for prevention is stress.
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.320
You've talked about how high-paced and high stressed our society is.
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.199
If you want to whack your brain, be under chronic stress.
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That is one of the biggest predictors of if your brain's gonna go downhill.
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Chronic stress is horrible for the brain.
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It it affects sleep, it wipes out your neurons in your memory center, like the hippocampus.
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:45.400
So it chronic cortisol and stress is is gonna whack your brain.
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.079
Acute stress is different.
00:49:47.240 --> 00:49:51.400
Short-term stress can make your brain adapt and be more effective and efficient.
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.519
So acute stress is good, just like a cold plunge.
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.079
Although I'm from Canada, I never want to get it.
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.320
I'd rather die of a neurodegenerative condition than getting cold water ever again.
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So, but I'll be with you.
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:04.679
I think I'm with you.
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And I'm not even, I'm from Indianapolis, not that far north, but yeah, I hear you.
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Yeah, yeah.
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.599
Or, you know, hit, let's just use HIT training.
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.320
Going as hard as you can for a minute, your brain's like, you idiot, why did you do that?
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.440
I made to I need to make you smarter so you never do that again.
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.760
So, so short-term stress is very good.
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:26.760
I'm Carol, I'm saying I'm being physician, but short-term stress is good because it makes your brain adapt, just like fasting and things like that.
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.840
But long-term stress, no good.
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:34.039
So, stress reduction, finding that the you know, those outlets, a good example to counter that.
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:40.679
Do you know what one of the the research things shows that you can make new gray matter in your areas like your hippocampus?
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.880
So, new brain gray matter, new neurons, things like that can be done with exercise.
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.440
It can be done with lasers, it can be done with hyperbaric, but meditation has been shown to do that.
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:56.599
So, how many people are meditating and doing stress reduction stuff every day?
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.960
One of the things I'll do is I'll meditate almost every day under my laser.
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:08.119
So now I'm stacking modalities where I'll do meditation, for example, and I'm coming at it from a couple different angles.
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.800
So all of your audience can do things like stress reduction and meditation.
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:20.679
I'm sorry, one of the biggest things we have to do as a healthcare provider is if you're in a bad job, a horrible abuse of marriage, something like you got to get out of it.
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.000
There's no doctor that's going to give you some magic fix that's gonna get out of those kind of things.
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.800
So we may have to make a lifestyle change that gets us away from those chronic stressors.
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.480
And then, same thing with food.
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We may like again, I go back to I'm gonna hammer on the sugar, I'm gonna hammer on artificial sweeteners, I'm gonna hammer on ultra-processed foods, those kind of things.
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.880
That is not brain food.
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:47.480
Your brain is not gonna survive and thrive on that stuff, and you're it's certainly not gonna repair itself on that stuff.
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:53.159
So we're we can create environments where our brain can thrive, or we can create environments where our brain's gonna die off.
00:51:53.240 --> 00:52:00.199
So the brain restore centers have a um a an answer, a magic solution for willpower and discipline?
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:10.119
Well, I think I don't know if anyone ever will have an answer for that, but you know, I think the more educated the patients are, the the better off they'll be to take action.
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.559
And unfortunately, you know, I'm trying to promote awareness where they're doing it to your point preventatively.
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:23.000
Don't wait for memory loss to start to occur because that means pathways and neurons and stuff are getting to a point where it's becoming symptomatic.
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:24.760
You don't want to wait for that stuff.
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:39.000
Yeah, changes that we see in Alzheimer's patients and CTE, that can be happening as early as like you know, 20, 30 years before it actually starts to manifest as a subjective thing, like a memory, like a mild cognitive impairment or something.
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:57.960
So, so what this is why we need to floss our brain every day, brush our teeth every day, kind of thing, is that if we can move every day and eat somewhat healthy every day and maybe a few nutrient things and then get better sleep hygiene, these are all things that that all of us should be doing right here and right now to help prevention.
00:52:58.119 --> 00:52:58.679
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:58.840 --> 00:52:59.960
Behavior change is so hard.
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:09.159
I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to be whatever negative, pessimistic and all that stuff, but uh but you're it's it's you're being a doc, it's a such a you're being a realist.
00:53:09.240 --> 00:53:10.360
Yeah, you've been in healthcare.
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:11.639
I've been in healthcare for 30 years.
00:53:11.720 --> 00:53:13.000
How long have you been in practice now?
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23.
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23.
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Yeah.
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So it's we're we're faced with this.
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Is that, and I at the end of the day, I have to have those heart-to-heart conversations with patients.
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.679
Like, if you want to get better, you're you're your own doctor every day.
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:35.240
And the the interesting thing though is when you do start to make changes in their brain chemistry, their brain omega-3 ratios, their gut health because of some of these changes, things like that.
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:43.639
That also can fuel, hey, like it gets their brain just thinking on a different level where it's not always negative, anxiety-driven, pessimistic.
00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:45.880
And I'm not just saying it's only those things that will do that.
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:53.400
I'm just saying once you the brain and body are starting to work from a better environment, they they get they're more likely to be motivated.
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.280
They're more likely to adapt, change, and things like that as well.
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Too.
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:00.760
So some of it is just getting priming the pump, if you will, to get them going on the right path.
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:08.840
Yeah, and I'll just throw out um, it's another rabbit hole, but uh yeah, a local trainer who I'm have good relationships with uh, we talked about this with behavioral change.
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:16.920
And he's he said, yeah, my reflection is that um, you know, the the a bigger sustaining factor in behavior change is identity, right?
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:29.639
So as we're talking about this, I was just thinking about like, yeah, a lot of it's like, you know, the kind of observations and influences we have with the people around us, the community of, you know, whoever they are, whether it's friends, family, whatever, it's hard to detach ourselves from some of those people, co-workers, whatever, where you work your workspace.
00:54:29.720 --> 00:54:39.639
But uh, you know, you talked about more, more obvious, like toxic life circumstances with a abusive marriage or abusive employee, uh, employer, whatever else the case may be.
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.800
But uh some of those things we have a little more control of, so those some of those things we may have less control of.
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:51.079
But yeah, and those again, just just anyway, I'm just reflecting on the possibilities there, uh factors on on how we make some of these changes.
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.400
Because bottom line, as you just said, is uh there's more I I I'm I'm absolutely with you.
00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:15.320
There's there's so much more that can be done than uh people realizing, especially in the sort of mainstream America, or I think uh but I think uh what you guys are doing with the brain resource centers, like you know, the the hope for me is like, hey, the more the more this is in conversation, you know, especially in that sort of like social media space, because it's not gonna happen so much, and I'm not throwing shade, it's just it's not gonna happen in the conventional medicine space, right?
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:27.159
I mean, all all these things you talked about, like there's there's there's a there's a meaningful amount of data to variable degrees with each topic or whatever, you know, variability, but this isn't this isn't like just trendy hearsay or whatnot.
00:55:27.240 --> 00:55:39.159
There there is there is science behind a lot of this stuff to and and so and you guys are seeing the data, and I'm sure you guys will start making aware of some of the data with due time, with due analysis and all that stuff.
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:46.599
But uh yeah, as I've been starting to say to people at the risk of sounding a little fearmongering, because I'm not a fearmonger, but time's taken, right?
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:52.280
The more the longer we wait, like, well, you're you're you're fighting uphill battle, so you don't take action now.
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.639
Like it's just it's a cumulative effect directionally, one way or the other.
00:55:55.720 --> 00:55:58.599
Whether as you said, it's it's either you're what are you what are you eating?
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.519
Is it going this direction or is it going that direction?
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.159
Like we have choices, and it doesn't mean we have to be perfect.
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:20.039
While we're while you're down this rabbit hole, I think it brings up the idea too of like what's happening in our environment that's that is creating adding fuel to the stress fire, for example, is like the social experiment, the doom scrolling of social media algorithms and and just feeding that beast.
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:26.039
And what one of the big things you're seeing all over these mediums right now for stress reduction is vagal nerve stimulation.
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:31.320
You know, that the resting digesting nerve and all these devices are are getting all this airtime.
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:31.639
Why?
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Because we're under we're such a stressed out society that they're they're the and that these are legitimate tools.
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.440
Like you don't have to have a vagal nerve implant to even breathing and relaxation stuff augments that.
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.199
But there's a reason why these devices are getting a lot of airtime because it can help.
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:57.079
And we do use some of these strategies and tools in in our treating parameters and and home therapies and stuff that you can do resting, like vagal nerve stimulation stuff to calm the system down.
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:02.840
But I one thing I should bring up, since you you brought up a good point about how like managing day in, day out stuff.
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.639
I will say this I'm I'm you know, you can poke holes in some of the AI stuff that's out there.
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:30.840
But if if people want some help in managing the day-to-day stuff, put in your open AI, you know, say, hey, I'm going, I need a diet plan for this week, a recipe for each diet thing I'm gonna accomplish accomplish, uh, my budget for groceries, and how can I and start putting those those parameters in and then also include in there, I need some motivational stuff.
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.920
Like give me some some reinforcement.
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:40.039
It's it's amazing what AI is kicking out to say, help you on your day in, day out management of of psychology.
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:51.320
And I don't want to overstate any of that because again, I know some detractors are gonna punch holes in that comment, but it's it, you know, what it can do for you and helping your your diet and lifestyle management and day-to-day management and things like that.
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.559
Tap into that if you're not doing that already.
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.119
I I invite people to do that because I'm always very impressed.
00:57:56.199 --> 00:58:03.159
I'm like, hey, I've only got$300 this week for uh, you know, my my or month or whatever for$500 for groceries.
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.039
How can I eat healthy to promote ketosis?
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.400
Give me give me meal plans for each day this month.
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And while you're at it, give me a positive motivational thing to do morning and night and reflect on and whatnot.
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.800
And boom, it spits it out in four seconds.
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.720
I'm like, whoa, okay, that was pretty cool.
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.400
So just an idea for the audience.
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.199
I hear a lot of those responses now are saying, like, you know, listen to Dr.
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:25.240
Barry's podcast.
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.920
So I'm going there, like, so okay, so you know, here, uh, what is so what's the what's the podcast you guys are doing now?
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.679
Well, we're gonna be doing we just started doing some pilot studies.
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:40.199
So uh we've got a great neurosurgeon that came on board with us on Brain Restore Center, she named Sharon Webb.
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.039
And, you know, here's a good example.
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:47.480
Like this this program that we're doing interests all forms of healthcare providers.
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.559
This is not meant to just be a functional neurologist or functional medicine.
00:58:51.720 --> 00:59:05.559
We have all shapes and sizes coming on board with us because this whole brain health awareness and and desire, like Sharon is an amazing, amazing surgeon, but she's like, I want to get to people's brains before I have to save their life on an operating table.
00:59:05.720 --> 00:59:12.119
Like that's and she's so excited about the idea of doing stuff preventatively and and whatnot, as you said earlier.
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:20.760
So she's such a great, you know, because she comes at it from the neurosurgery model, and we've come together, and Chad Woolner, who you know, he's such a great moderator of these things.
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:28.679
So we just started shooting our pilot episodes, and then we're gonna bring it to life in in formal form, and then we're gonna get you on there as we start getting guests on there, Dr.
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:36.280
Sue, because we love having great minds like yours and great thinkers like yours that are are coming at it and bringing in all these different modalities.
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:39.159
But so yeah, we'll be doing the brain restore podcast.
00:59:39.240 --> 00:59:40.679
Uh, watch for those to come out.
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.480
Uh, we're gonna be shooting a bunch of them because we're gonna probably fly to a central location to do it.
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:47.480
And so that'll be something coming out.
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:57.800
We have our book, uh, you know, the uh brain restore solution is a good, you know, that's a good way to just do kind of get an over a mile high view of kind of the model that we're doing.
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:07.079
And then the brain restore cook, you know, the the kaleo book, uh, the brain restore kaleo program, that's another good way to get diet and lifestyle things that that we can use.
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:12.119
So those are all all mediums that we'll we want to get as much patient awareness and education out there as possible.
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:12.840
So yeah.
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:17.480
So like, you know, time going all the way full circle and little a little last glaze here, right?
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:33.079
So thinking about brain, if you need any further sort of validation of credibility and such, uh speaking of just um brain injuries and such and such, and come uh connecting with people you've worked with, uh with with some high exposure, right, and uh profile.
01:00:33.240 --> 01:00:37.240
You've you've been on multiple podcasts and with um Danica Patrick, right?
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:52.760
And she that's not a you know, she's she's talked about you many times, you know, uh incredible race car driver, had a lot of brain injury and um brain suffered in a lot of different ways, and she gives a lot of credit to the the influence and and help and support and uh treatments that you provided her.
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:59.559
You know, with all that being said, I just kind of I I I want to lastly just let you, if you want, I mean, just for for people to be aware, okay.
01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:06.280
This isn't uh, you know, you're you you're just like a a fountain of you know, we always talk about like a hydrant of info, right?
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:14.199
And in healthcare, like when we're at conferences and stuff, like it's just you're just flooded with a hydrant of information and you're sort of like two hydrants at once, or maybe two and a half hydrants at once, right?
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:30.199
But having said all that, with all despite all the amazing information, all the the passion you can uh obviously hear, but you know, I I just want to give you a chance, like, you know, this is coming from a I understand that a lot of this comes from a heart because you talked at that conference about like a lot of your sort of mission.
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:41.639
It was really moving when you said that about um, you know, your family, just you know, and your um your your interest in uh well it's it's prevention, if you will, for your daughters because of Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:41.720 --> 01:01:54.599
And and it is something that because this is gonna it one of the things I'll I'll typically start my my seminars with is that I talk about statistically speaking, half the room I'm talking to is gonna be subject to a neurodegenerative condition.
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:01.720
Half of it is going to be caregiving and financially burdened by somebody in their family that is suffering from something like this.
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.199
And it's it's it is very near and dear to me.
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:15.400
And it's something that, and I'll touch on that, but it's like one thing you and I I appreciate the compliments, but one thing I never understood is sometimes some of the neuropeople are can be very egos, you know, egotistical.
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:21.079
It's like to me, if you're studying brain health and working in brain-based conditions, it's one of the most humbling things you can do.
01:02:21.240 --> 01:02:28.920
I as much, as many compliments you want, I don't feel like I know anything because you there's so much you have to know about brain health, cardiovascular.
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.440
Why do I study thyroids so much?
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.760
Because there's thyroid receptors in in every cell in your body, including your neurons.
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.519
Why, you know, all these different things you have to understand in brain health.
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.800
So I'm never gonna sit idle and thinking I know anything.
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:47.639
And part of you know, being staying humble about this stuff and not thinking that I know everything, I'm not gonna sit on my lures.
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.440
But yeah, part of that motivating driver from a personal perspective, my ex-wife and I, we have two daughters.
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:57.559
And and you know, unfortunately, her maternal side of the family severe Alzheimer's predilection.
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And so that's something that it's very common.
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A lot of families, my daughters had to witness that growing up, their grandparents being severe, like their grandmother on on her side was just, you know, it's horrible.
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Early, they have a lot of early onset dementia, a lot of genetic stuff, things like that.
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And you know, when kids have to see that stuff, and I'll I'll never forget the one time my well, it was actually one of the last times my daughters saw them alive, their grandmother live was was they were, you know, it can be pretty traumatizing to see somebody in that state and and whatnot.
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And and you know, they they when they ask, like, daddy, is this gonna happen to us?
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You know, that's my my mission is to protect them.
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You know, part of what drives me is like, what can I do with my daughters to help give them the education and and tools that they can help prevent that?
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Because thankfully I I'm APOE too, so that's one of the big protective markers, if you will, of nerdy generation.
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But obviously with the maternal side, not not so lucky in that.
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So, what can I do to protect them and and do everything I can to educate them and whatnot?
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Like I when my daughter, when my oldest went down to do her some of her pre-med stuff at the University of Arizona in Tucson, I set a laser with her, you know, to to have in her dorm room and that kind of stuff.
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And and so thankfully they've taken on that, you know, they work out, they they eat relatively healthy and things like that.
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I get they're realistic that you know, I'm realistic, you know, teenagers and stuff, they'll they'll they'll deviate, but you know, they're they do a lot of things right.
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And you got to lead by example too.
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You know, that's part of the thing is is, you know, I try and walk the walk as well.
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Again, I'm not perfect.
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And to that stress point, one of the the comments I'll make, like, listen, if you're it eat well all week, but have a cheat day, have a cheat night.
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And if you're gonna eat that pizza or whatever you I tell my audiences, make love to that pizza, man.
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Like, you're gonna, if you go in going, oh my God, this is uh good, this is gonna kill me and I I feel so guilty.
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What do you think your physiology is doing when you eat that piece of pizza?
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So it go ahead and have a night like that.
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You know, if you're gonna do something, just really enjoy it and revel in and that kind of stuff.
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And don't be that stressed out when you do it.
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Go into a good environment.
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But at the end of the day, that day in, day out stuff, your week with those healthy habits that allows to have that cheat night and that kind of thing.
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So yeah, I think we're we all should be motivated, both from a personal perspective, because all of us statistically, we got to watch how much these numbers could affect us and how it affects our family members.
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And if that if that's a big motivating factor, I think that should be for all of us to set a good example for our patients and to be a good patient to set a good example for our family members.
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So hey, look, you are you I know, but uh yeah, I love who you are.
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I love you as a person, just love uh love everything about you.
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Really appreciate you so much.
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Um, you know, uh I give high, high praise for you always.
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And uh, you know, I think this this kind of conversation just kind of reflects and illustrates that on too many levels.
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There's so many other thoughts I had, but uh I kept myself kind of directed.
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So we we could be another time, but um no, know the feelings mutual and it's yeah, I I love you too, brother.
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And and just know that anytime we want to have these chats, I'm happy to jump back on with you because I I love tal as you can tell, I love talking about this stuff and educating as much as I can, and I'll I'll give everything I can to yours.
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And I'm gonna I can't wait to have you on ours as well, too.
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So thank you for having me.
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Yeah, say hi to the other crew, the other three guys in the uh BRC crew.
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I've you know met all three of them now, and so uh yeah, amazing guys.
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I didn't know them before, but yeah, they're they're really it's like it's a great team.
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And the one of the I'll I'll leave it at that since you brought them up is that you know, the I'm the clinical guy in the group, but you have to have it when you're doing these platforms, you have to have patient education, you have to have systems, you have to have business strategies and things like that.
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And that's one of the things our team is a collective, you know.
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I called it what was that, Voltron or whatever that that cartoon where they all came together and made a bigger, some bigger parts.
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I joked, I'm like, no, we're like the care bearers.
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We all like do this thing and shoot the butt you know, it's it's such a group collective effort, and and I'm so proud to be part of it.
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And and I just I get so you can hear the excitement in my voice because now that we're scaling this nationally, uh, you know, we we need more centers.
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We need more healthcare providers and clinics doing these kind of things because there's so many people out there that are gonna listen to this or looking for they're looking for solutions, they're looking for answers, and they're just looking for hope.
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And and I, you know, I hope we provide that.
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I know, I know we have the platform for that.
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So and you know, we yeah, we're we're trying to just uh execute that locally as well, but uh don't want to create false expectations on time.
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But yeah, it's it's in the works.
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But yeah, so which one are you?
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Are you cheer bear or you guys you guys gonna have to figure out who's who?
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I want to know that.
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Next time I talk to any of the other guys, I wanna know like who's who by that time, all right?
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I'm I'm grump I'm grumpy bear.
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I don't I don't know what uh I wasn't gonna say that, man.
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No way.
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So, but look, hey, anybody who's listening who is a practitioner or uh has a uh healthcare, let's just say some kind of healthcare business, right?
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Because I don't want to leave it open for you guys to sort that out.
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But if you if there's anybody who has interest in bringing the brain restore centers potentially to their area through their business practice or whatever it is, or or creating something de novo, how do they reach you guys?
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What what website?
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Yeah, if you go to brainrestorecenters.com, you can Plural, right?
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Centers.
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Yeah, Brain Restore Center.com.
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That's something that you know you can book a discovery call.
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And by the way, you don't have to be a board certified neurological, you don't have to be any specialty.
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We're trying to attract and we set up this program where if you just want to help people with their brain health, you could be a potential candidate.
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That's why I left it open because I knew I knew that was a case.
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I didn't want to say you have to be a prescribing practitioner or whatever the case may be.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So that's something that uh we welcome, and you'll probably talk to Andrew on the discovery call and just see if you're a good fit for us and we're a good fit for you.
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So we'd love to chat with you.
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So yeah, and and the and you're the everyone's high character.
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Like I I mean, I I have I I feel like I have a decent, pretty decent emotional radar, EQ, EQ radar.
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And uh yeah, I I I love your team.
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Love your team.
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Well, except for me.
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I'm the only one that I I have to bring the the bar down, you know.
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I can't have all these, you know, these these angels floating around.
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I gotta bring us down a little bit back to reality.
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So you're the one eating the bacon while they're eating the kale.
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Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
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I I'm the yin to the yang.
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So all right.
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This is fun, man.
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For me, just selfishly, this was fun.
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Thanks so much, Trevor.
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Really appreciate you as always.
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Thanks, Mark.
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I really appreciate you, brother.
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Thanks for having me.
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And we'll be back soon.
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We'll talk more shop some other time.
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So yeah, we'll do it again.