Damp & Sad - (Title IX, Lady G, and Cats: The Jellicle Ball)

WEBVTT
1
00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:17.879
Coming to you from the dining room table at East
2
00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.879
Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
3
00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.000
the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
4
00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:29.960
a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
5
00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.000
what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanted Jugwine,
6
00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:39.320
a horribly inconsistent schedule, and the month of July.
7
00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.119
I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.
8
00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.240
And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
9
00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.200
Circle Table.
10
00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:53.159
Yay, hi baby, we are Oh my god, we've.
11
00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.359
Been doing things. We've been doing things and stuff and such. Yes,
12
00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:57.560
we've been getting it done.
13
00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:02.679
We've been being voices, a presence and a voice for
14
00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:03.799
the people and such.
15
00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.560
I'm serious, I am too. Yeah, I mean, I swear
16
00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.280
I was taking Pride month off this year and I
17
00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:11.280
was busier than ever.
18
00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.239
I thought it was funny when you said it.
19
00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:17.239
I know, with things like I had to prep for
20
00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:22.599
and stuff, right, But we did some cool stuff we did. Yeah,
21
00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:24.280
June was packed full.
22
00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:25.040
Well.
23
00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.040
First of all, happy anniversary.
24
00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:31.400
Yes it's our Yesterday was our OG anniverses, our OG
25
00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.680
anniversary twenty fourteenth.
26
00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:39.120
Fourteen years ago. Yesterday we had our first date, the
27
00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.519
first date that never stopped, right, I think I put out.
28
00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.400
I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty sure I did.
29
00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.200
Did I have a what was it A three?
30
00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:49.079
I had?
31
00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:51.079
Fuck what?
32
00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.840
I know your grandfather did?
33
00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.799
As it were, there were rules. No one told me
34
00:01:57.840 --> 00:01:58.599
about rules.
35
00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:05.519
We had known each other for eleven years, so yeah, fine, whatever.
36
00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:08.479
But yeah.
37
00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:13.919
June eleventh, Garden State Equality organized the rally in Trenton.
38
00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:19.599
We're going to talk about the legislation that has passed finally,
39
00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.080
and we are so proud of having shield lulls that
40
00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.879
are probably the most the strongest in the country at
41
00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:31.759
the moment because they were written and rewritten up to
42
00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:36.120
the moment. So as Michiga, you know, reared its ugly head,
43
00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:42.680
for instance, Texas suing New York, our wise and wonderful
44
00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:49.319
folks anticipated and responded to that kind of bullshit. So
45
00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.000
I was invited to MC the rally, which was my honor.
46
00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.000
Yes, great, and you kicked ass.
47
00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.479
And I say all the time, I'm not a megaphone person,
48
00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:03.159
but sound system was was just not present. So there
49
00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:04.680
I was with a megaphone.
50
00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.000
Yeah it looks good on you. I got a lie.
51
00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:10.960
I gotta say, I, so, I can't say that anymore.
52
00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.639
I cannot lie. I meant to say I cannot lie,
53
00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.599
and then I mix it up with I gotta say so.
54
00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:18.639
I said, I gotta lie.
55
00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:25.560
Okay, we're off to a rousing start. That's a microphone.
56
00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.599
There's things on your head are earphoneses, And this is
57
00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:39.120
our podcast. No, I don't smell toast good podcast?
58
00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:40.360
You say yes.
59
00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.879
And also on that day we were invited to the
60
00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.520
Governor's mansion. Oh my god, that was the same day
61
00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:54.479
on it it was for Governor Mikey Cheryl's pride reception. Yes,
62
00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.680
and you said the bourgiest sentence that may have ever
63
00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.599
come out of your mouth. Yes, after the.
64
00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.360
Fact last year was better.
65
00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:02.879
You did.
66
00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.240
Last year was better, And I'm like, wow, I actually
67
00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.240
said that. But you know what, find.
68
00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.199
The lot Well, it was just it was different, it
69
00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:18.319
was organized differently a little bit. It's hot as hell
70
00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.560
day it was. Yeah, it was.
71
00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.399
Still a lovely event with lovely people.
72
00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:25.040
I know.
73
00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:29.639
We were up in Trenton and for the rally, and
74
00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.680
for a minute we talked about like staying up there
75
00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.800
and then going to Princeton and but we were soaked
76
00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:37.920
to the skin. Yeah, I mean it was a very
77
00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.000
hot day out there.
78
00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.160
We would not have been as cute as we were,
79
00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:41.839
not at all.
80
00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:46.480
So we did come home, shower and rest and then
81
00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.560
go back to drum thlack it yes, which was lovely
82
00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:56.680
you know, open bar anyway, right, that happened, and then
83
00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:03.079
we did at the close. So last year I spoke
84
00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:07.519
Woodbury had there for Woodbury Little Woodbury, New Jersey near
85
00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:11.879
us had their first Pride celebration and I spoke, yes,
86
00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:16.120
you did at that. And then this year we partnered
87
00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:21.120
with s Chack, which is the South Jersey Artists collective
88
00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:25.920
collective for Tell the Children at Dinner.
89
00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.920
Yes, it's a collaborative on an ongoing collaborative project with
90
00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:37.279
the friend of the pod Ken Wynn, who decided that,
91
00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.040
damn it, we were going to come together and create
92
00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.680
some art. So of course I said, okay, And so
93
00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.639
the project Tell the Children at Dinner. I love that title.
94
00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:54.800
I gave that title. It's basically a dinner party slash performance.
95
00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.319
The audience is sitting around the table and at the
96
00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.920
head of the table is a featured guest of honor
97
00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.600
who will share a story, a personal story of their
98
00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:12.680
queer history, and there are dancers slash performers who are
99
00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:17.319
also seated around the table, and they slash wei depending
100
00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:24.160
will perform and dance to punctuate various moments in the story.
101
00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:25.079
It was.
102
00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.040
It was a lot of fun.
103
00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.639
It was fun. Our first first one a few weeks ago,
104
00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.600
and it was the close of Woodbury Pride. You were
105
00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:34.439
the guest of honor.
106
00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.199
I know that it was fun. We had a much
107
00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:41.040
bigger crowd than I expected. I don't know why. I
108
00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:42.959
just always assume if I throw a party, no one
109
00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.839
will come. That never actually happened, exactly. It's so silly
110
00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:48.839
of you to think no. But we had a good
111
00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:52.360
crowd and it was really a lot of fun to do.
112
00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:57.240
It was interesting. It was a so I guess do
113
00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.160
we call it a performance piece? It was a performance
114
00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:03.120
theater storytelling?
115
00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.000
Yeah, yeah, And.
116
00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.639
I got I got some lovely feedback from a friend
117
00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.600
of ours who said you were you. I'm going to
118
00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.160
forget how she said it, but it was kind of
119
00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:19.279
you manage the tension so well, right, you know, And
120
00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.279
which is what storytelling and comedy you know, are are
121
00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.360
like we create it and then we alleviate it, and
122
00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.040
then we create some more. And you know, that's kind
123
00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.399
of the EBB and the flow of a good story
124
00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.879
correct and I had a blast.
125
00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:34.279
I did.
126
00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.519
But but that's what I meant by I had to
127
00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.120
put work into that. Yeah, because y'all were just standing
128
00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:41.680
there and I was asking for direction, and you're going, well,
129
00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.319
once we know what you're talking about, thing exactly, have direction.
130
00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.120
I'm like, a fuck, Yeah, that's that's not how this works.
131
00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:55.680
We're just framing the work around you miss thing, and uh,
132
00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.800
we're going to get another opportunity to do tell the
133
00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.639
children at dinner with you you. I love that because
134
00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.920
ask Jack wants to do it again in October.
135
00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.439
I know that's exciting. That's excited. I'm glad because I
136
00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.560
you know, we're gonna work the bugs out a little further. Yeah,
137
00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.360
I love my story. Keep them interested.
138
00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.079
It'll be nice to have a chance to do it
139
00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.199
without the pressure of having put it together in a
140
00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.959
short period of time. We have time to work things
141
00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.360
out and yeah, add a couple more elements or something.
142
00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:32.919
It felt good to do that kind of creativity again
143
00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.480
together because it's been a it's been a minute, it
144
00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:36.720
has been a minute. Yeah.
145
00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:38.919
I was like, look at me, I'm choreographing.
146
00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.279
I know, I had, I had a good time. We're
147
00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.000
going to talk about Cats, Theagelical Ball. There's there's a
148
00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:48.720
whole lot going on, And we were going to go
149
00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:56.919
for your birthday, yes, August fourteenth, and then they run
150
00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:58.200
is ending on the eighth.
151
00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.679
Yeah, which is exactly seven days before we were supposed
152
00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:02.000
to go.
153
00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:06.679
Well, I just got a text message that this Saturday
154
00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.279
we will be their second row center. So we're going
155
00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:23.840
to celebrate your birthday early. Yeah, this Saturday, Yes, in
156
00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:31.000
the second row, and I have a feeling we will
157
00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:32.600
meet under Deshields.
158
00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:34.399
I'm so excited.
159
00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.840
Yeah, oh my god, it is confirmed.
160
00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:41.080
I'm giggling with glee.
161
00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:48.000
Yeah, it's the this is the one Broadway show I
162
00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.360
think You've been the most excited forever.
163
00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.600
I have ever since it was first announced. When it
164
00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.879
was making its off Broadway debut, right, I was like,
165
00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.720
wait a second, this is a production of Cats I
166
00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:08.799
might give a shit about because historically I have never
167
00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.480
been a fan of the musical of Cats. No, I'm
168
00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:18.919
because it's bad. To me, It's dumb, it makes no sense.
169
00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:25.759
The dancing is always fierce. Butellica jelical Ball a ballroom reinterpretation.
170
00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:32.480
Now this I can get behind and and basically like
171
00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:38.000
the Royalty of Ballroom is in this cast. So I
172
00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:42.600
get to see Laomi in real life, you know, Junior
173
00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.639
Libaysia and of course Andre to Shields.
174
00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:49.360
I am so excited Deuteronomy. Yeah, so we were able
175
00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:54.919
to get in right under the wire and yeah.
176
00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:59.799
Really that's so exciting. That's so cool.
177
00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.720
So that's going to happen and we'll be able to
178
00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.480
talk about that, and we are going to talk about
179
00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.960
what's going on, yes with Broadway and the show, because
180
00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.480
it's really not cool, but at least we will be
181
00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.480
able to see the show.
182
00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.799
Yeah. The last episode that we put out was an
183
00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:23.320
interview that I did with a queer author named Kathy
184
00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:29.200
Anderson about her short story collection called Vamoose Yes. And
185
00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.360
that was a delightful conversation and it was a good
186
00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.399
book and we got to talk about the themes and everything,
187
00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.200
and she was impressed that I had some astute observations
188
00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.000
about the themes of the book and the stories. Awesome,
189
00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.039
So you know, I love that. Yes, you can go
190
00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.159
back a few episodes and listen to that interview and
191
00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:54.240
get a copy of the book.
192
00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.080
Okay, okay, anything else on your spirit?
193
00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.159
Anything else it's been a month.
194
00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.720
It's been it's been well, it's been more than a month.
195
00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.000
I guess we did record in June because I know
196
00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.080
we said it's Pride month, right and then and then
197
00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:14.120
Pride Month was a whirlwind where yeah, busy, we were busy.
198
00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.679
Yes, doing the things and seeing the people.
199
00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:17.279
Doing the things.
200
00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.159
And July has not been less busy. Actually, I know,
201
00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.600
my god, yeah I am. I was part of a
202
00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.879
keynote panel for the first Weave conference in New Jersey,
203
00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:33.480
which was a recovery conference centered around marginalized people and
204
00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.360
in particular LGBT people, and this one was focused on
205
00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.600
peer support, which is near and dear to my heart.
206
00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.960
So yes, and you rocked it. Apparently I did. Had
207
00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.000
it not been a recovery conference, you would have said,
208
00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:46.720
hold my beer.
209
00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:47.080
I did.
210
00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:51.919
Okay, Yes, there was no beer, Yeah, there was no beer.
211
00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.840
It was good. It was good. And I ran into
212
00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.600
you know, people that I have known for quite a while.
213
00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:02.080
In fact, I quoted the quote that I use all
214
00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:05.320
the time. I'm sure I've said it here that you know, curious,
215
00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:10.399
stay curious because curiosity keeps us out of judgment.
216
00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:14.159
And then I borrowed that from you met my job
217
00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:14.720
the other night.
218
00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:19.039
Well, you know, and I said it, and I properly
219
00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.840
attributed it to one of my instructors when I was
220
00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:27.960
in peer training several years ago, and the beautiful blonde
221
00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:32.399
walked up after the panel and said, do you remember me?
222
00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.879
And I said, remember you? I just quoted you. And
223
00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.200
we had a we had a key key for like
224
00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.200
an hour, my instructor, Jenna, and she said, well, fair
225
00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.600
is fair because I quote you from that class.
226
00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:43.799
All the time.
227
00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.000
And I'm like, I love that.
228
00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:49.759
See yeah, I left an impression as you're want to do.
229
00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.279
Yeah, but so did she because that was that was
230
00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.279
a gem when I heard it, and I thought, this
231
00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.559
is mine Now I will say it and say it
232
00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.559
because it's it's true. The more we, you know, stay
233
00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:07.039
curious and ask questions. Yeah, whatever the situation, it does
234
00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.919
keep us out of judgment, It keeps us interested, It
235
00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:14.639
keeps us learning rather than concluding.
236
00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.840
Right getting to the roots of things rather than judging
237
00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:19.200
what's on the surface.
238
00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:19.559
Yeah.
239
00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:23.399
And it's never been better advice than right here and
240
00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.559
right now, at this point where we find ourselves. And
241
00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.759
it's also really important in recovery and working with you know,
242
00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.679
a whole bunch of different people trying to pull their
243
00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.120
lives together. You know, that's staying curious and trying to
244
00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.960
understand people where they are rather than where we.
245
00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:47.279
Might like them to be. Indeed, Republicans could take note word.
246
00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.759
We had a lot of.
247
00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:54.240
Deaths since we last that to we do Bonnie Tyler,
248
00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.440
Bonnie Tyler died. I know, I was sad about that.
249
00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:02.120
I loved her voice. I loved her voice. In fact,
250
00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.720
I performed I was going to say her music.
251
00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:10.039
But yeah, yeah, she did have a very powerful vocal presence,
252
00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.200
especially in the eighties. Oh yeah, in this great whiskey voice.
253
00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.480
She was seventy five, told the.
254
00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.320
Eclipse of the Heart being her biggest hit.
255
00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:24.759
Yes, she has been hospital had been hospitalized in Portugal
256
00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.639
for I want to say since maybe April.
257
00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.320
Or May, no May.
258
00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:36.399
I believe she had emergency intestinal surgery and was in
259
00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.360
an induced coma for a period of time. We thought
260
00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:47.279
she was improving and she passed, So, you know, we
261
00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.159
lost her talent.
262
00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.440
Indeed, she was Welsh. I did not know that she was.
263
00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:52.159
Yeah, Welsh.
264
00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:59.039
Get me learning things, So rest in power, Bonnie Tyler.
265
00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:05.000
Yeah, and then more recently Sam Neil died.
266
00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:06.720
Now tell me who he was.
267
00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:13.799
Oh, he was a wonderful character actor and leading actor
268
00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:22.039
in a lot of major films. Probably most notably he
269
00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.399
had the role of doctor Alan Grant in the Jurassic
270
00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:33.080
Park series Universe. Yes, like that was his major, major,
271
00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:33.799
major role.
272
00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:42.120
I knew him first from the film in the Mouth
273
00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.440
of Madness, which is a horror film that you're never
274
00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:46.879
going to.
275
00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:52.799
See, but it's one of my favorites, where he plays
276
00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.879
an agent who has to track down this elusive author
277
00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.840
who disappeared right before he was a turn in his
278
00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.839
newest novel. Oh, come to find out, he retreated into
279
00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:09.839
this this little New England town that only existed in
280
00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:10.400
his books.
281
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:12.200
Huh.
282
00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.200
And it's very love crafty and except without the racism.
283
00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:22.279
Oh okay, but but yeah, he had a prolific career.
284
00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.039
How old he's seventy eight? I think, yeah, yeah, it
285
00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.039
was seventy eight when he passed. That's crazy, Sam Neil.
286
00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.839
Back in May we lost Rob Bass.
287
00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:40.960
Yes, I left this on the list because the last
288
00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:46.160
time we were we had recorded, I had forgotten somehow
289
00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.079
to mention it, and I didn't want to go another
290
00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.680
episode without mentioning that he passed.
291
00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.880
It was only fifty nine. Yeah, Rob Bass.
292
00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:03.039
Was a foundational pioneering artist in in hip hop. It
293
00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.559
takes too, Yeah, that it takes too. I don't think
294
00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.119
there is a birthday party, wedding reception, bar MIT's foot
295
00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:16.680
botmans for barbecue gathering of any kind where there's a
296
00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.440
DJ where if you want to get asses on this
297
00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:23.039
on the floor, you don't put on It takes two.
298
00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:23.880
How about that?
299
00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.359
Yeah, he had He had turned fifty nine just four
300
00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.119
days before he died on May twenty second. Yeah, after
301
00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:36.799
a battle with cancer, a private battle with cancer, right right, Yeah, man,
302
00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:37.960
it's a shame.
303
00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.440
The song of his that I love, possibly more than
304
00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.759
it takes two is joy and pain. That's always been
305
00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.240
my jam, and I think I might listen to that tonight.
306
00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.279
Okay, all right.
307
00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.240
But yeah, I wanted I didn't want to go another
308
00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.599
episode without mentioning that that that he.
309
00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:57.240
Left us there.
310
00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:04.279
Clive Davis, Yeah, damn, that's talk about an icon, talk
311
00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.279
about an icon and an icon maker. He was ninety four. Yeah,
312
00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.759
king was what I said, icon maker, king maker? You
313
00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.559
said the other night, was there anyone who didn't work
314
00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:19.039
with Clive Davis? Because dear God from Johnny Cash to
315
00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.079
Whitney Houston to Oh my God, Yeah, Alicia Keys, Jennifer Hudson, Yeah,
316
00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.960
that's oh, Aretha Franklin, Aretha Franklin.
317
00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:34.039
So many, so many. Yeah, he got he brought Aretha Franklin.
318
00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.519
Uh not, I don't want to say revived her career,
319
00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.480
but he brought her into the pop R and B
320
00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:48.400
sphere with the duet that she did with George Michael. Yes,
321
00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.960
I knew you were waiting, Yes, and that ushered in
322
00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:58.640
the whole, Like, what's what's the song? The not Freeway Love?
323
00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.759
Is that her Freeway of Love is?
324
00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:01.160
Yeah?
325
00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:05.480
Yeah, yeah that that that Pink Cadillac Pink. No, that
326
00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:06.799
was Natalie Cole.
327
00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:14.160
Oh right, I guess they're different songs. Yeah, okay, every
328
00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.319
mind Freeway of Love?
329
00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.640
What and like I love that like on the opening
330
00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:27.799
of Buster Rhymes's Genesis album as a recording of Clive
331
00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.960
Davis calling him and telling him to keep it, gutta.
332
00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:39.000
Keep it got her Yeah, no, guta gutta just keep it.
333
00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.440
Gutta no R right drop the hard R already.
334
00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:43.279
Uh.
335
00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:47.039
Freeway of Love was nineteen eighty five Aretha Franklin.
336
00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.400
Yeah, oh that was that was a vere the Franklin Freeway.
337
00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.680
Of Love, Freeway of Love, Aretha Franklin nineteen eighty five.
338
00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.559
Oh yeah, pink Cadillac was what we said was nat.
339
00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.960
But she's said in my pink Cadillac it did. We're
340
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.200
going riding on the Freeway of love and my pink.
341
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.359
Catalog, right, Okay, that might be what I yeah.
342
00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.160
When's against our back? Ain't we riding on the freeway
343
00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.640
of love? In my pink Cadillac? It's not the same song? Right?
344
00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.559
But she also had a pink Cadillac. Okay, So I
345
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.640
didn't in the song, which I desperately want, I know,
346
00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:26.079
you do anywhere between a fifty nine and a sixty four. Yeah,
347
00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:27.920
but I think I would like it in pink. And
348
00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.640
there there was I think it was called Persian Sand.
349
00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.119
There was an actual factory color that was a pink
350
00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.200
and had like a you know, there was usually a
351
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.599
two tone pink interior. Here you go, I don't. I
352
00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.880
would be fabulous. I agree, I agree. And if it's
353
00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:46.799
a convertible, so much the better, I guess.
354
00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:51.880
My God, Barry Manilow, Patty Smith, Lou Reed, Gil Scott, Herron,
355
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:59.400
The Kings, Melissa Manchester, Dionne Warwick, Who's zoom and who Yeah,
356
00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.599
that was the That was the Aretha Franklin song. I
357
00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:02.160
was trying, do.
358
00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:07.720
You know that over one hundred pink Cadillacs were in
359
00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.839
her funeral procession? That something about that? I love that.
360
00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:12.599
That sounds right.
361
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.079
But yeah, back to Clive Davis, who we're actually talking about.
362
00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.240
I was trying, uh.
363
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.920
Ninety four years old. What a life, what a storied life? Really,
364
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.960
and yeah, so much amazing talent.
365
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:33.599
He is responsible for a significant chunk of pop culture
366
00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.160
and pop music. The biggest thing was finding out that
367
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.079
he was queer. Hm hm oh yeah, Clive Davis.
368
00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.640
Was a icon, right.
369
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.480
Oh when you said the biggest thing, like it was
370
00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.160
a surprise, I.
371
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.599
Mean I didn't know, but I also didn't think about it, right,
372
00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.359
But then I was like, oh, well, of course, there
373
00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:55.720
you go. How are you going to how are you
374
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.759
going to be responsible for the careers of Barry Manilow
375
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.839
and Aretha frank Glenn and Whitney Houston and not be
376
00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:06.480
a faggot? Come on now that's true, Come on now,
377
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.559
and George Michael bitch come on.
378
00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:13.519
Yeah. Yeah, what a career, Yeah, what a career.
379
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:14.759
What a cast?
380
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.079
He did that he did, He did and he did
381
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:26.960
it for decades and decades. Legacy Legacy Victoria Cruz. This
382
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.240
this just made me sad. I did not know her personally,
383
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.519
but everyone knew her as Miss Vicki. She was a
384
00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:38.039
veteran of the trans rights movement. She died recently at
385
00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:38.920
seventy nine.
386
00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:40.160
Oh wow.
387
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:43.200
She worked for seventeen years at the New York City
388
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:48.839
Anti Violence Project. She was at Stonewall on that night
389
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.599
in nineteen sixty nine, and you know a lot of
390
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:57.119
folks looked at her as a matriarch, a matriarch.
391
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:58.480
She died on June twenty fifth.
392
00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.559
I came to know I had. I knew her name,
393
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:06.240
I knew of her, but I really saw more that
394
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.119
the documentary that I believe is still in netfix the
395
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.599
Death and Life of Marcia P. Johnson. Yeh, she has
396
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:16.759
featured heavily, yes, because she is, you know, one of
397
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.079
the people who just would not let that go and
398
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.599
really did her best work to try to figure out
399
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.279
the truth in Marcia's death because no one believes it
400
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:31.400
was a suicide or a swim that went wrong. Right,
401
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.839
So you can see Miss Vicki in that documentary, and
402
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.240
she just shines, and she talks about her own life.
403
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.960
You know, back in nineteen ninety six, she was repeatedly
404
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:46.519
harassed and assaulted by coworkers, you know, as a trans
405
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:52.000
woman working you know, in a nursing home in Brooklyn,
406
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:57.079
and that anger fueled her career with the with the
407
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:02.880
Anti Violence Project. Back then, it was run by Christine Quinn,
408
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:06.640
who later became the first openly gay speaker of the
409
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:07.720
New York City Council.
410
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.160
So she worked with her, Yeah, doing the work.
411
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.839
She did the work. She did the work her whole life.
412
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:19.359
She cared deeply, She cared deeply about the community. And
413
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.599
as I said, you know a lot of folks looked
414
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.480
at her as a mother figure and she will be missed.
415
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.519
So rest in power, Miss Vicky Cruz.
416
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.000
So this next one is a personal one for me.
417
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:44.559
So at the end of June, we lost Donovan Hagen's
418
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:50.920
Donovan Mark Hagen's who was a friend of mine in college.
419
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.599
We met actually through dance. Although he went on to
420
00:25:55.640 --> 00:26:02.160
become a prolific actor and he made a significant presence
421
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:10.039
in the Philadelphia acting community. Uh he performed with Freedom
422
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.920
Theater and First World and basically all over all the
423
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:18.839
major players I've seen him play in comedies and dramas,
424
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:24.279
and he was featured in a multi episode arc in
425
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:29.359
season two of The Wire. And he was just a
426
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.720
good dude, like a general good and a loyal friend.
427
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.680
Like he would like we would fall out of touch
428
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.680
and then he would like just reach out and be like, Hey,
429
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.200
it's been too long, what's up. The last time I
430
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.559
saw him was when we had the bar and he
431
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.920
was like, oh you still do that open michaels like.
432
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:47.839
He was like, I'm gonna come back, and he did
433
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.599
and he came and he played piano.
434
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:50.160
And sang.
435
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:57.240
Like he was and everyone loved Mark. Everyone loved Donovan.
436
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:02.480
He was just that dude. He was a good dude and.
437
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:05.119
He was everywhere. Yeah, Rutgers, Camden Center for the Arts,
438
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:09.920
Freedom Theater, a Zuoka Theater Collective, New City Stage, the
439
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:16.519
Philadelphia Arts Collective, play Pen, Walnut Street Theater, First World Theater, Ensemble,
440
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:22.640
Imagination Stage, Arena Stage, African Continuum Theater Company, Ford's Theater,
441
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.160
and Tribute Productions.
442
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:26.440
Just so much.
443
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.079
And one of the things he was most proud of
444
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:33.519
he was a resident producer for Philly Young Playwrights. Oh yeah,
445
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:40.039
bringing young people into the theater world. So yeah, that's
446
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:44.079
a shame. Definitely be missed. What a loss, Yeah, what
447
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:49.960
a loss resting power. I'm just gonna mention on a
448
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.759
lighter note, on a lighter note, Ladybug kicked it. So
449
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.599
the NDAs are are probably canceled, and we are going
450
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:04.119
to talk about that ship a little bit later. Lady pet.
451
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.279
They say you should only speak good of the dead.
452
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.640
Lindsey Graham is dead.
453
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.000
Good by bitch.
454
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.400
We'll talk about that in a minute. Yes, we will
455
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:26.079
show seventy one years old, lady Lady, Lady Geez left.
456
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:32.720
Stage seventy one years old, died way too late.
457
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:33.960
Right, thank you?
458
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:41.759
Yeah, because you know normally say too soon. I caught it. Oh,
459
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:44.279
I caught it, Yeah, I caught it.
460
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:51.680
That's one we hear the coming threes. Shaw, we don't
461
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.200
believe the proof of life for you know, the turtle right,
462
00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:00.119
So m that might be two come one, number three.
463
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.640
Very much like they treat they're treating Mitch McConnell like
464
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.359
they treated the Gold Tablets and the Mormon religion. Oh yeah,
465
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.559
he told me that he's doing just great, and he
466
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.839
told me to tell you how No you can't see him,
467
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.960
but hold on going to the other room. Come back. Yeah,
468
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:17.480
he's great.
469
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.559
The memes though, the memes coming out of the proof
470
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.000
of life photograph are fucking brilliant.
471
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:30.400
Huh.
472
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.400
I'm funny as hell.
473
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.640
So we don't know if he's alive or dead. I
474
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.279
don't know anyone who wishes him alive. But we'll you know,
475
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.519
we'll leave that one lafe for now, right, and we'll
476
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:43.759
talk about Ladybug later.
477
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.079
One day. I'm going to stop giggling at that, but
478
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.359
today is not that day.
479
00:29:53.319 --> 00:30:01.240
Hey. You mentioned an article from Alt Smart Houston's LGBTQ
480
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.519
magazine titled seventeen seventy six to twenty twenty six The
481
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.480
Moments that defined Lesbian, gay and Bisexual Rights in America,
482
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.920
A timeline of the battles, breakthroughs, and setbacks that shaped
483
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.759
LGBTQ life in the US. And I assume we are
484
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.559
going to put that in the note Yes, folks to
485
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:23.240
read on their road.
486
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.240
Yeah, it's a lot to get into here, but it's
487
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.720
definitely an interesting list and I think everyone should take
488
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.200
the time to go through it. So you were going
489
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.759
to post it in the notes to this episode?
490
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.240
Okay, okay?
491
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:43.720
These are notes on American history and things like Harrie
492
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:50.880
Hay in nineteen fifty launching the magazine Society. Harry Hey, right.
493
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:56.240
The timeline of quote unquote sodomy laws being repealed.
494
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.799
Right, Baird rust In the Daughters of Belitis.
495
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:02.759
Yeah, Stonewall, of course.
496
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:03.640
Right.
497
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:11.680
They missed the the nineteen sixty five march in Philadelphia, but.
498
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:12.480
They sure did.
499
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:13.359
Yeah, they sure did.
500
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.160
It's not a it's there's always in any list, there's
501
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:18.480
gonna be things, uh huh that.
502
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.160
I look for that aren't there. Right, So, but Harvey Milk,
503
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:29.039
it interesting the March on Washington for lesbian and gay rights. Yeah,
504
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.240
et cetera, et cetera. So interesting piece.
505
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.960
And when you check out the list, feel free to
506
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.359
hit us up at ask Full Circle Pod at gmail
507
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.680
dot com or visit our website, Full Circle Thepod dot
508
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.480
com and let us know what should be on that list.
509
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:49.119
That is that's missing. Yeah, because there's plenty, Yeah there is.
510
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:50.160
Yeah.
511
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:54.880
Okay, ready, so let's take a quick break and then
512
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.759
we're gonna come back and talk about good news.
513
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:58.880
Yes, let's do that.
514
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.119
We'll be right back.
515
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.319
And we're back.
516
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:21.759
We're back.
517
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.200
You want to slide into good news? I would, I
518
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:30.480
would too. The New Jersey legislature he has passed a
519
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:37.640
bill shielding reproductive and transgender healthcare providers. Let's see, they
520
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.799
passed a bill on June thirtieth in both the Assembly
521
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.359
and the Senate affirming crucial protections for reproductive and transgender
522
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.480
healthcare in.
523
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.039
The state, which is major.
524
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.640
Yes, a coalition of organizations from across the state celebrates
525
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.000
the bill, urging Governor Mike Y Cheryl to sign it
526
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.799
into law immediately. My understanding is, while that has not
527
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.359
happened yet, it is because there will be a ceremony
528
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:10.599
a right since we it didn't happen in time to
529
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.200
sign it, I guess for Pride Month and also have
530
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.960
a signing ceremony. So I look forward to my our
531
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.680
invitation to the signing of this bill. And I am
532
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.160
not claiming near the work that so many, including our
533
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:32.240
good friend Lauren Albrect at Garden State Equality put into Lauren, yeah,
534
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.480
Lauren said. We want to express our gratitude to everyone
535
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.319
who contributed to the passing of these critical protections. To
536
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:45.160
every lawmaker, policy expert, healthcare provider, advocate, ally and individual
537
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.640
who worked on this legislation over the years.
538
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:48.720
Thank you.
539
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.079
Yes, I love that.
540
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:56.279
Also, by passing this bill, the legislature has sent the
541
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:02.200
message that bodily autonomy and access to medically necessary, best
542
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.760
practice healthcare are New Jersey values. As other states and
543
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.519
the federal government attack reproductive and trans healthcare, we have
544
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.360
made it clear that the Garden State will protect both
545
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.199
the life saving care itself and the people who provide it.
546
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.639
Our priorities now will be to ensure Governor Cheryl swiftly
547
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:32.079
signs this legislation and afterwards to educate healthcare providers on
548
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.639
these new and bolstered protections.
549
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:41.119
Love that the more I look around at the landscape
550
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:48.760
and see what's going on with legislation and just the
551
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.960
culture of politicization of lives, I'm realizing how lucky we
552
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.199
are to live in New Jersey.
553
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.000
Absolutely, Oh my god, I absolutely. I mean, you know,
554
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.400
as so many of you know, my trans siblings, especially
555
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.880
kids you know, are scrambling and their families are moving, fleeing,
556
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.280
you know, states they've spent their whole lives in because
557
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:21.920
of politics, because of hateful Republicans and misinformation. I'm so
558
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:26.199
proud of the state where I was born. Senate Majority
559
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:30.960
Leader Teresa Ruiz, who I got to share this stage
560
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.280
with in Trent, said Yesterday marked the end of a
561
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.840
two year that again, speaking of this was on July first.
562
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.840
Yesterday marked the end of a two year fight led
563
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.440
by parents, advocates, and members of the LGBTQ plus community
564
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.199
who refused to give up on Senate Bill twenty two
565
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:53.800
to sixty, often in the face of significant fear and uncertainty.
566
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.800
She was one of the bill's primary Senate sponsors. At
567
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.840
the heart of this bill has always been the recognition
568
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.320
that every person's humanity is unique, and no one should
569
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.480
stand in the way of an individual's freedom to make
570
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.800
decisions about their own body, health and future. As a mother,
571
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.440
a policymaker, and a staunch ally, I look forward to
572
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.199
seeing this critical measure signed into law so that patients
573
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.960
can access the care they need without fear or intimidation,
574
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:32.039
providers can continue doing their jobs without the threat of prosecution,
575
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.679
and New Jersey can remain a beacon of inclusivity, compassion,
576
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:44.679
and individual liberty for all. Indeed, this Shield Act, as
577
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.440
I said, you know, it goes so far as to say,
578
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.639
you know, there are consequences if you interfere right in
579
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.239
people accessing reproductive care or gender affirming care, and.
580
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.320
It's insane Jersey that that needs to be said.
581
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.719
It is, but hey, it does do things need to
582
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:10.280
be spelled out, and you know, delftly the language kept
583
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.559
up with the nonsense. Our friend Kadijah Silver, civil rights attorney,
584
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.039
director of Gender Justice and Health Equity Lawyers for Good Government.
585
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.880
As other states and the federal government escalate efforts to
586
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.800
criminalize and regulate legal healthcare beyond their borders, New Jersey
587
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.800
has taken a critical step to protect patients, providers, and
588
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.079
its own authority to govern the healthcare of its residents.
589
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.760
New Jersey is drawing a clear line requiring health care
590
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.199
providers in this state answer only to the laws that
591
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:49.079
already govern them. As a tax on bodily autonomy, increasingly
592
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.719
ignore state lines. Shield laws are becoming essential legal infrastructure
593
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.360
for protecting patients and providers alike. The question is no
594
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.400
longer whether their states will need shield laws, but how
595
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.039
quickly they can build them in the face of eroding
596
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:11.119
federal protections and interstate conflict over healthcare, we urge Governor
597
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:15.559
Cheryl to sign this bill into law without delay, and
598
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.519
New Jersey now joins fifteen states and Washington, d c.
599
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:24.360
And passing such a shield law. This codifies the executive
600
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.920
orders Governor Phil Murphy signed in twenty twenty three. Now
601
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:30.559
it will be law.
602
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:32.559
Damn was that long ago?
603
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:33.639
It was?
604
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.440
And you know the folks at Garden State Equality have
605
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.920
been working on this for those whole three years. Yeah,
606
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.000
and going back and forth to the table. And you know,
607
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.239
I have to say, it is all about bodily autonomy
608
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.880
when we look at the bullshit since Rov. Wade was
609
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.960
rescinded by the paid for Supreme Court, well the not
610
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.599
so Supreme Court that you know, since that has happened,
611
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.800
see women dying and near dying.
612
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.800
Bleeding out and barking lots and ship right.
613
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:11.840
Reproductive healthcare and gender affirming care are two sides of
614
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:17.360
the same coin. This is all about bodily autonomy, yep,
615
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.079
not just for trans people, for you know, everyone with
616
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:29.000
a uterus. This protects our care. I'm so proud of
617
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:29.920
my stay right now.
618
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.159
Yeah, yeah, this is.
619
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:40.360
Really truly good news. Its just share so uh, this
620
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.920
is you know, out of the advocate. The Trump administration
621
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.920
caves to public pressure after an avalanche of opposition to
622
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.639
the anti trans hospital rule.
623
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.679
And this kind of thing seems to be happening more
624
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.960
often lately, like all these sweet things that he like
625
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.800
spat out are now collapsing under the weight of public
626
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:11.119
outrage and factual evidence and combinations thereof.
627
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:16.440
Well, and here's the thing, more than thirty thousand public
628
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.559
comments helped derail an HHS proposal that threatened funding for
629
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.199
hospitals providing gender firming care to transgender use. And the
630
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.079
threat was, you know, we'll take away all of your
631
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.360
Medicaid and Medicare funding, jeopardizing all the care you offer.
632
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:40.320
This was their most extreme attempt to force hospitals nationwide
633
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:46.320
to abandon gender firming care for transgender young people. Some bullyshit, Yeah,
634
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.559
so this is a rare and instructive victory against a
635
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:56.920
federal government that has otherwise moved aggressively to dismantle trans rights.
636
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.119
It's good news.
637
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:58.960
It's great news.
638
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.760
It's good news, you know, because here's what happens, so
639
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:08.039
in conjunction with the Human Rights Campaign, because nearly twenty
640
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.320
thousand of those letters came from HRC members and supporters,
641
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.679
the Quality California said. Major medical groups, including the American
642
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.679
Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Children's
643
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:26.960
Hospital Association, also urged the administration to withdraw the rule.
644
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.559
The public record created through the comment process can expose
645
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:38.079
legal weaknesses and force agencies to confront evidence they would
646
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.519
rather ignore and make a role more difficult to defend
647
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:47.199
in court. And when there's this kind of backlash, you know,
648
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.480
they realize they're going to spin their wheels and look
649
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.199
like idiots. At least this time. At least this time
650
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.440
it helped. It doesn't mean we get to rest, of course.
651
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.800
It doesn't mean that they're not going to keep coming
652
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:01.960
at us, because that's all they want to do. But
653
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.039
they have walked away from this at this point. They're
654
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.679
not going forward. They're not going to waste everyone's time
655
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.880
this time. This would have imposed a new condition on
656
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:18.920
hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid, and hospitals providing puberty blockers,
657
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.320
hormone therapy, or certain surgeries to patients younger than eighteen
658
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.280
could have been expelled from the federal insurance programs. Crazy.
659
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:32.400
It's crazy. This is all healthcare, it's life saving healthcare,
660
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:38.280
and no politician belongs anywhere in this conversation. That's right.
661
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.320
So kudos to everyone who wrote and took the time
662
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:52.079
to stand up to these viciously cruel inhuman politicians. At
663
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.639
least this time it mattered exactly, keep fighting, to keep
664
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:03.320
standing together and keep fighting. What else we got? Oh?
665
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.159
A federal judge, by the way, did shut down the
666
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.159
Trump administration's attempt to get its hands on trans kids
667
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:10.039
medical records.
668
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.159
Uh huh, variation on a theme we have here.
669
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.320
Yeah, this was just July sixth, and the judge cited
670
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.719
Trump's attempts to identify, to demonize, and ultimately to eradicate
671
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.760
an entire population of transgender people.
672
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.800
But when we call you nazis, yeah, the problem with that.
673
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.000
The federal judge issued a scathing ruling against the Trump
674
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.599
administration as it tried to get Stanford University's hospital to
675
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.079
turn over the private medical records of transgender miners. And
676
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.360
this is covered in our shield laws now here in Jersey. Yeah,
677
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.679
the disclosure of such information would also out provisional class
678
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.679
members as transgender to a federal government that, for more
679
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.039
than a year has sought to identify, demonize, and ultimately
680
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.079
eradicate an entire population. The US District Court Judge p
681
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.159
Casey Hits, who was a Joe Biden appointee, wrote in
682
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:07.719
his opinion when issuing a preliminary injunction against the Department
683
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.920
of Justice's attempts to get the records. Hospitals are pushing
684
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:17.000
back left and right, and good such disclosure and the
685
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.360
attendant loss of privacy, chilling of doctor patient communications, and
686
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:28.280
risk of governmental harassment cannot be undone. Yep, yep, love.
687
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.800
This right, I love this Hippo still means something.
688
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:34.880
For now.
689
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.599
Yeah, Many federal judges have been quashing these subpoenas for
690
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.159
the past year, citing privacy concerns and the Doga's inability
691
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.480
to show why it needs the records. But grand jury
692
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.559
subpoenas are harder to quash, and some hospitals have been
693
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.760
forced to turn over records. The nationwide campaign against trans
694
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.639
kids has led to fears that the administ traation wants
695
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.599
the records to build a database of transgender people for
696
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:12.400
possible targeted oppression. Yeah, you know, you know, at least
697
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.679
California families right now can breathe a sigh of relief.
698
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:23.320
So once again the courts held and at least some
699
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:32.639
of us were protected. Indeed, that's next Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker.
700
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:37.679
Oh yeah, this was cute. M Yeah. So this is.
701
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.039
The end of.
702
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:47.119
June, Governor JB. Pritzker of Illinois, just hours before he
703
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.719
marched in the Chicago Pride Parade, signed three trans rights
704
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.880
bills into law. So he just had like a theme day.
705
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.760
The theme is free, Eat a Bitch.
706
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:01.239
I love it.
707
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.880
I love it so yeah. So. HB five nine five
708
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.400
solidifies the process for trans people to correct the gender
709
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.400
marker on their IDs to male female or X. HB
710
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.800
five four ninety two mandates that insurance companies cover up
711
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.880
to a six month supply of prescribed hormone therapy, as
712
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.199
well as quote the necessary supplies for self administration. Both
713
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.199
of those laws will take effect on January first, twenty
714
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.559
twenty seven, and then HB four eight three four updates
715
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:39.519
the Illinois Prescription Monitoring Program to remove testosterone and prohibit
716
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.039
the addition of estrogen for press stone and Misoprostall. Did
717
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:45.880
I say those right?
718
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:46.800
I don't know.
719
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.360
The law, effective immediately will prevent the database, which is
720
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.760
used to prevent certain drugs from being over prescribed, from
721
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.360
being abused to prevent folks from obtaining gender affirming and
722
00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.599
reproductive health care.
723
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.800
Okay, he said.
724
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.719
Today, I'm proud to sign landmark legislation expanding on my
725
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.519
administration's work to make Illinois a safe, empowering, and inclusive
726
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.400
place for the LGBTQ plus community. He made the statement
727
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.199
on social media with my signature, we are a few
728
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.920
steps closer to a state where all can live their
729
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.599
lives without fear of hate. And then he posted a
730
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.280
video of himself touting the bills as he prepared to
731
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.039
march in Chicago's Pride Parade.
732
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:30.679
I love it, I love it.
733
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:31.039
I love it.
734
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:31.559
I love it.
735
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.880
You do the work and then you have a party. Right,
736
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.000
very cool and what's more queer than that?
737
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:43.440
Well, I mean the butt fucking but.
738
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:57.760
Okay, maybe a little bit stupid, but also true.
739
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.920
So there was a sweet little article about the founder
740
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.320
of Flags for Good, who we love.
741
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.800
We have their products on all four corners around we do.
742
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.559
Michael Green is the founder. They do have a storefront now,
743
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.639
but he talked about, yeah, how their year is kind
744
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.519
of built around pride. That's their Christmas. They started the
745
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.480
company in twenty twenty selling exclusively Black Lives Matter flags. Well,
746
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.480
that's right, but when he decided he wanted to secure
747
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:35.039
the business long term, they added Pride flags. And this
748
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.559
is relevant because they created the Pride flag for Stonewall
749
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.679
with the National Parks logo that the Trump administration wanted
750
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.400
to take down.
751
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:51.599
Oh wow, look at them. And I had made a video.
752
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.920
We have one of their flags, the banner in our
753
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.519
driveway and it's the Philly Pride colors with the burn
754
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.880
and black stripe, and each one has a different value.
755
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.079
You know. Black lives matter, science is real.
756
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:08.320
Yep.
757
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.960
And I took a video of myself unfurling it for
758
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.960
the first time and they use that video in their
759
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.320
store for advertisement for a while.
760
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:17.920
Gotta love that, ha hahaha.
761
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.320
Yeah, and they asked for.
762
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:25.199
Permission first, Yes they did, Yes, they did. He said
763
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.920
he can think of no community that uses flags the
764
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.480
way LGBTQ plus people do, word with seemingly endless designs,
765
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.760
celebrating every conceivable identity. He says his team is all
766
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.960
too aware of the constant debate over whether it is
767
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.280
all too much for whom exactly we talk about yet
768
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.239
all the time. At what point does it start taking away?
769
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.000
At what point have you fragmented so much that you
770
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.599
start fragmenting the community. There is no clear answer, but
771
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.159
what is clear to Green is that LGBTQ plus people
772
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:01.000
feel deep kinship with the flags that tout their specific identities,
773
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.840
and they certainly do make quality broaduct they do.
774
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.679
And then my question to the people who were saying,
775
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.599
you know, does it take away? My question is why
776
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.960
do you value tribalism more than freedom and expression?
777
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:16.480
Right?
778
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.599
Unsurprisingly, every Flags for Good employee identifies as some version
779
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.360
of queer it. I am shocked, and Green said that
780
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.360
in the company's home city of Indianapolis, there aren't many
781
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.599
safe workplaces where queer people can show up as their full,
782
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.519
uninhibited selves. While Green has thought about leaving a few times,
783
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.000
joking that Flags for Good really belongs in a place
784
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:44.000
like Boulder, Colorado, but he has realized that the store
785
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.519
can make a bigger impact where it is by helping
786
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.320
progressive folks in a red state.
787
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.679
No, they are not alone.
788
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.559
I love it. So they started in twenty twenty, so
789
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.400
that means we were like early adopter.
790
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:01.239
We were early adopter. Look at us Flag for Good. Hey,
791
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.280
we love Flags for Good. And you know, if y'all
792
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.800
wanted to sponsor this show, that will not be okay
793
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:08.639
a problem with us.
794
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.880
Because drop a jingle, you know, we will definitely tag
795
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:16.639
you word up in the notes for this episode, what
796
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.440
else we got a pride display created by little kids
797
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.960
was set on fire. Sure, let's always look for the response.
798
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:26.360
Right.
799
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:31.639
The community is fighting back in full force. Yes, even
800
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.000
Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow has gotten involved and that's.
801
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.039
Why this is in good news.
802
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.840
Yes, a community in East Toronto has come together to
803
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.800
support the LGBTQ plus community after a student created pride
804
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.440
display at an elementary school was set on fire. Hundreds
805
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.639
of students from r H McGregor Elementary School helped create
806
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.000
an intersex inclusive progress pride I look at that made
807
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.280
from individual piece of fabric tied to the school's chain
808
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:07.800
link fence. Jessica Tom, a parent of McGregor's students who
809
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.880
helped organize the flag project, told CTV News that participation
810
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.719
ranged from kindergarteners to fifth graders, with each grade level
811
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.599
tying different fabric colors to the fence to create the
812
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.280
flag image. The flag was set ablaze only days after
813
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:29.599
its completion. Tom called it extra insulting that someone would
814
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.440
destroy something created by children.
815
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.320
What is missing in your soul?
816
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:34.840
Right?
817
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.039
It's a representation of the inclusivity, kindness, respect and belief
818
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:43.719
in community that are really foundational in our school and
819
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.719
to see something like that destroyed, even though it's merely
820
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.639
a symbolic thing, it really hurts. But the surrounding community
821
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.239
is determined to show agbritqu Plus people they are perfect
822
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.119
as they are. This is a good part, and parents
823
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:05.239
and children alike have returned to the fence to add
824
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:10.480
rainbow flags and uplifting signs like Phoenix's Rise from the
825
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:16.360
Ashes and you Can't burn Love work. People have come
826
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.239
and brought their pride flags from their houses. Tom said,
827
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.280
people have gone out to get more pride flags.
828
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.199
Probably from Flags for Good.
829
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:29.400
Maybe there's been people who've brought ribbon. So I think
830
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.639
the response is pretty clear and a desire to really
831
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.519
show that level of support. Now, Tom and a coalition
832
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.079
of other community members are advocating for a more permanent
833
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.480
display of pride in the form of a rainbow crosswalk.
834
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.960
A petition to Toronto Mayor Olivia chow teuts that parents,
835
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.559
students and neighbors are coming together to make sure this
836
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.840
act of hate is met with a louder, more visible
837
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.840
show of love and inclusion, and we're asking our elected
838
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.960
representatives at the city and provincial level to stand with us.
839
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.480
You yeah, I love that and and there's a picture
840
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:13.760
here of the uh of the original display before it
841
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.559
was vandalized. It's so cute. And they did they picked
842
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:23.480
the the Progress Pride flag that includes intersex individuals, like
843
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.400
with the little circle in the in the yellow area.
844
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.199
Yeah, that's so fierce. It is, it's adorable. It was
845
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.199
an hard installation and some.
846
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:34.840
People and they put a lot of work into that
847
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:38.400
because each of those colors is composed of, like we said,
848
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:43.519
individual pieces of fabric and yeah, that's yeah, those cases
849
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:50.519
did a lot of work. And some ass hat uh huh, yeah,
850
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.440
because something is missing or broken inside of them that
851
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:56.039
they just couldn't stand the sight of it.
852
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:00.559
But imagine being that jackass that set FI to it,
853
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:02.480
watching all those people show.
854
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:10.599
Up with all those right, yeah, you are in the minority.
855
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.800
Yeah, you have to find a way to sleep at
856
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.679
night and your day is coming word.
857
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:24.440
So trans service members challenging the military band, I've scored
858
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:29.079
a major victory. A judge has ruled that their case,
859
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.480
Talbot versus the USA, can proceed as a class action lawsuit,
860
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.679
So that means suing for all of the damages. Yes,
861
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:38.800
that we're done.
862
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:41.800
I'll never get the first time I ever heard of
863
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:47.239
someone bringing a lawsuit to the US itself. I believe
864
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.320
it was Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam that
865
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:55.159
brought a lawsuit to the USA, and I just thought
866
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.440
that was the most like audacious thing I'd ever heard
867
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.039
of it that point, and so every time it happens,
868
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:02.280
I'm like.
869
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.400
Yeah, do that shit right as we know. You know,
870
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:12.039
Trump forced distinguished trans military members out of the military
871
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.079
just because they're trans, and plaintiffs in the case seeking
872
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.599
to overturn the ban on trans military service members scored
873
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:23.280
a major victory with a ruling transforming the case into
874
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.679
a class action lawsuit work. The ruling for class action
875
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:31.639
certification allows plaintiffs to seek to extend protections one and
876
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:36.360
Talbot v. Trump to all transgender service members currently serving.
877
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:40.880
It also ensures that future rulings against the ban will
878
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.920
apply to all members of the newly created class uh huh.
879
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.559
It upheld a district court's preliminary injunction halting military separation,
880
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.920
and Tuesday's decision allows attorneys in the case to seek
881
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.840
its application to all transgender service members currently serving. There
882
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.639
will be more process in court, said Michael Haley, as
883
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.159
to have attorney for glad Law, which along with the
884
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.960
National Center for LGBTQ Rights, represents the original plaintiffs. I
885
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.280
don't want anybody to necessarily be under the impression that
886
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.280
will win today means things on the ground change immediately.
887
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.920
To military dot com, We'll have to look at the order,
888
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:24.719
see what the order says and what it means going forward. Right, Well,
889
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.760
application of previous wins for the original plaintiffs in the
890
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.159
entire case of transgender service members will likely be challenged
891
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.800
by the administration. One thing is clear. Any wins in
892
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:40.599
this court will apply broadly work good, yep, good, because
893
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.199
it's so arbitrary and hateful, with no basis other than
894
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:54.320
degrading distinguished service members who happen to be transgender. It's
895
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:01.239
nothing but ugliness, hate and petty, disgusting politics.
896
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.280
Like how are you going to tout the the might
897
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.840
of the US military out one sidi face yep, and
898
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.639
then be so small and petty and childish. Well they
899
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.239
do it all the time the other side, I know,
900
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:19.599
but it's just like how to fuck hm hmm.
901
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.840
Indeed, yeah, these are glimmers, you know, They're glimmers of
902
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:31.159
light and I love highlighting them. Yeah, so good for them.
903
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.199
Good for us indeed, and I'm happy for them. It's
904
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.199
a long fight that they should not be involved. And
905
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.440
to begin with that part, yeah, but we're made of
906
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:48.320
better stuff than these idiots. So t that concludes the
907
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:53.480
good news we collected for this particular episode. Yeah, leading
908
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:57.239
us to a segment we like to call.
909
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:05.920
People taking pleasure raal name yay.
910
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:17.159
So, as I mentioned, Ladybug Senator Lindsey Graham has been
911
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:24.800
mentioned in a viral post by a now transgender author,
912
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.320
now outlely transgended author Jesse James Rose, who alleged with
913
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.480
a hand raising emoji that Graham paid a quote twinkie
914
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.039
pre transition college student of fat stack of cash for
915
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:42.679
a meetup.
916
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:43.280
Uh huh.
917
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.519
We can only assume the NDA has died with.
918
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.079
Uh huh, ladyg Is it wrong that I have that
919
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:56.320
song from Sesame Street in my head about the Ladybug picnic?
920
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.360
Yeah, it's all said.
921
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:03.800
Yeah.
922
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:08.480
He died this past Saturday night, reportedly from a verdic dissection.
923
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.159
The reaction from our community has of course been immediate,
924
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:19.679
because we're like that, well we're like that when you
925
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:25.320
are pretty obviously one of us, but you fight vehemently
926
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.119
to oppose us to attack our rights and to bilddle
927
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:34.760
us while you fuck us at night, right, or in
928
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:41.679
this case, we fuck you read Lingerie was mentioned somewhere,
929
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.800
let's say with little black dots. I'm guessing you know,
930
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.519
and let's be clear. Throughout his tenure, Graham was a
931
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.639
staunch opponent to the advancement of our civil rights, opposing
932
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.039
marriage equality, advocating against the repeal of donats, don't tell,
933
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:06.159
voting against workplace discrimination protections on transwrites. Specifically, he supported
934
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.280
state level bands on gender firming care for minors. The
935
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.159
bitter irony of this record is that Graham spent much
936
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.000
of his political career denying rumors and speculation about his
937
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.559
own sexual orientation, a task that became more difficult in
938
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:26.079
the social media age. Indeed, some young queer people weren't
939
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.239
made aware of the senator's death via a push notification
940
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:35.320
from a publication. Instead, a now viral Instagram post from
941
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.760
trans author and actress Jesse James Rose, in which she
942
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:44.000
details an alleged experience of being paid by Graham for
943
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.599
sex work prior to her gender transition while she attended college,
944
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:52.320
ended up inadvertently being the way man he found out
945
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.239
about his passing will. The author attended NYU holds a
946
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.159
degree in music, theater and child and adolescent mental health studies.
947
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.840
According to her bio, most of you know him as
948
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.679
the homophobic senator from South Carolina, but to me, oh boy,
949
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.199
he will always be the man who paid a twinkie
950
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.360
pre transition college student of Batstacker cash to do unspeakable
951
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.320
things to him in a hotel room while he wore
952
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:25.320
red lingerie usspeakable. The sorry I keep crying during sex,
953
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.360
author wrote in D three slide post, accompanied by a
954
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:35.000
hand raising emoji. It is a canon trans event to
955
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:39.880
have far right freaks bankrolling you and then turning around
956
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.639
and voting against.
957
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.000
You before turning around again.
958
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:48.039
Yeah.
959
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.360
Yes, people love to judge us for it, but I
960
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.599
never see them opening their wallets shout out to sex
961
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:59.079
workers everywhere forced to humanize their enemies just to make
962
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:03.920
rent well. It is an absolute mind fuck to me
963
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.239
that one of the reasons I have any semblance of
964
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:11.000
financial security and the lack of student loans is because
965
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:11.639
of this man.
966
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.480
Burn the profits of your oppressors.
967
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.599
Right, That's what that means.
968
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.400
That's exactly what thank you.
969
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.920
At the time I had no idea who he was,
970
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.639
and I only figured it out because another group of
971
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.280
twinks leaked Lady G to the media. Some queers tried
972
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:32.360
to grandstand critique this, saying we shouldn't out people. Yeah,
973
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.239
I believe that's true. It is true, except in this case.
974
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.320
Yes, thank you exactly.
975
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.320
And she said, I believe bigots with power deserve no
976
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:45.719
peace or privacy, especially when they hold public office. I'm
977
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.039
glad they did it icons forever. Yeah, I'm sorry. If
978
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.679
you fuck us at night and then legislate against us
979
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:56.519
during the day, expect to be outed.
980
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:56.840
Right.
981
01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.880
I think it only took this long because, Yeah, there
982
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.760
were probably NDA's place that did not follow him in. Right.
983
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.599
You don't get to have peace when you're one of
984
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:11.400
the reasons why being in is a thing in the
985
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.440
first god damn place. Yeah.
986
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.559
He consistently denied being gay until the end of his life.
987
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.119
When Chelsea Handler made insinuations about his sexuality online in
988
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.360
twenty eighteen, he said, to the extent that it matters
989
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.840
I'm not gay. The fuck you weren't, you know? And
990
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.400
I love the meme that says there was never any
991
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.400
allegation of sexual assault by women right toward Senator gream, No,
992
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:35.880
not women.
993
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.199
I'm not good with any here. Stop, I'm not gay, right?
994
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.360
And he paid the boys. Yeah, and he paid the boys.
995
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:44.480
We know this, We know this.
996
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.239
You know it's I've long said, what's taking the ramp boys?
997
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:50.599
So long?
998
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:51.119
Probably?
999
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.559
And yeah, probably I always assumed that was the case.
1000
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.960
Yeah, but evidently we're going to spill the t all
1001
01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:59.679
over DC.
1002
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.800
What did I say? Is going to be an influx
1003
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:07.920
of tell all books with titles like Surviving the Ladybugs
1004
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:09.360
in the Ladybugs b.
1005
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.480
Let's see. This is not the first, though. In twenty twenty,
1006
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.079
porn performer Sean Harding posted online implying that an unnamed
1007
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.079
Republican senator had hired multiple gay sex workers, including him.
1008
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.800
People connected the story to Graham based on the nickname
1009
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.519
Lady g a code named sex workers in DC allegedly
1010
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.320
used to refer to the South Carolina legislator. We've known
1011
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.639
this for a while, and the nickname did follow Graham
1012
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.119
for what would turn out to be the final years
1013
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.599
of his life. Even right wing influencer and Trump ally
1014
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.559
Laura Lumer said that Graham was gay. While testifying under
1015
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.960
earth for a deposition several of President Trump's staff have
1016
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.840
told me in confidence that Lindsey Graham is gay, she
1017
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.599
said during the deposition, which she later defended it online,
1018
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.239
saying she did not want to perjure herself. I mean
1019
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.760
from space, Lindsey Grandma's gag.
1020
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.800
And if, for whatever reason, listeners, you don't know where
1021
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.519
the ladybugs thing comes from, We're not gonna tell that
1022
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:21.239
story here because iw however, it is easily googleable.
1023
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:23.159
I don't want to know.
1024
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.519
Oh you don't know, I don't know.
1025
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.960
Oh fuck, I fine, So I don't know.
1026
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.599
There is a story, one of the stories, one of
1027
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.239
the first stories that I heard, one of the Rent
1028
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:37.840
boys talks about how he came out of the bathroom
1029
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.599
to see Lindsey Graham on all fours uh huh, and
1030
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:46.920
he noticed that there were these black spots on his
1031
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.280
hind parts and so he like asked if he'd, like,
1032
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:53.559
you know, cleaned him, showered and cleaned while he was
1033
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.559
like yeah, And he asked him, like, do you mind
1034
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.239
if I wipe you down? He was like sure, And
1035
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:02.639
in so doing he realized that they were moles around
1036
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.280
his little balloon knot probably not so little, and he said, oh,
1037
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.840
those don't worry about that those are just my ladybugs.
1038
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.440
Oh I did hear this before I forgot I think
1039
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.320
I blocked it out like I'm going to do again.
1040
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:17.880
See, I offered to n.
1041
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.280
Yes, yes, that is that's where ladybug, those are just
1042
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.079
my ladybugs. Yes, and Dear God in Heaven.
1043
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.880
Every time I hear that in my head, I picture
1044
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.079
it in the voice of the gay bookstore owner on
1045
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:40.960
Family Guy. It's my ladybugs. Oh now, uh huh.
1046
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:46.159
So this is about calling out hypocrisy. Yes, this is
1047
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.519
about you know, a person so self loathing, yeah, that
1048
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:58.119
they will use their power to condemn us. Well, they
1049
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.679
desire us, and they fuck us and they pay us.
1050
01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:07.960
They also work to obliterate us because something inside themselves
1051
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.360
is so deeply broken. And these are the people who
1052
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:14.079
will always deserve to be out. And I'm sorry not
1053
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.319
so if he was just openly gay, no one, you know,
1054
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.520
we'd work to protect his privacy.
1055
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.680
He was like the poster child for house faggotry.
1056
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:29.399
Right right, And you know I had a little respect
1057
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:32.119
for him, you know, back in what twenty sixteen when
1058
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.560
he was actually telling the truth about Donald Trump. But
1059
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.000
as soon as Trump actually won, right, Lindsey Graham. I
1060
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.119
guess he's a sub right, because God knows.
1061
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.880
Yeah, for five seconds we were trying to employ that
1062
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:47.439
the enemy of my enemy thing.
1063
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:53.159
Yeah no but child, no, no, no, So it just
1064
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.600
means we have eyes. What a wasted life.
1065
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:57.119
Yeah, there you go.
1066
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:02.000
What an ugly hypocritic legacy. See, and I don't know
1067
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:02.600
brought in hell.
1068
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.000
The only good thing he did was putting several sex
1069
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.640
workers through college's that he did. We'll take that.
1070
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.880
Yeah, thanks for that, Thanks for that. What was that?
1071
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.880
There was one meme that said something about he said
1072
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:19.640
something about, I don't think God is going to ask
1073
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:24.920
me about something, and the response was, maybe you shouldn't
1074
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:28.600
be assuming you're gonna see God, right, you know, like
1075
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:29.640
maybe maybe not?
1076
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:34.600
Yeah, really, yeah, you're not on this listen, good.
1077
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:42.199
Riddance, bye, bitch, ladybug. Yeah, and you would think he
1078
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:43.720
could afford a layer.
1079
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:51.479
Thank you, Oh my god. Yeah, it's a conversation piece.
1080
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:57.520
Yeah, but here's the thing. You know, when you don't
1081
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:01.239
have a personality, Yeah, every thing that happens now is
1082
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:06.720
so well deserved, so well deserved, and you know, if
1083
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:10.960
it humiliates your family and their family for generations, that's
1084
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.119
who you were right, that's what you did, right, that's
1085
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:16.439
the legacy you bill.
1086
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:16.920
Yep.
1087
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:18.560
Welcome to it.
1088
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.119
Yep.
1089
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.199
So, a man who threatened by Pride month's shooting was
1090
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:28.319
arrested for possession of guests child's ex abuse pictures and videos.
1091
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.000
That train is never late. Yeah, this is from the
1092
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:32.840
beginning of July.
1093
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:38.920
Actually, yeah, he posted let's kill every single person in
1094
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:46.520
the LGBTQ community online, but then he told law enforcement
1095
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:47.159
he was just.
1096
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.880
Trolling, bitch. Mm hmm.
1097
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:52.800
Actual crimes are yeah.
1098
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.880
Agents with the FBI's Field Office in San Juan have
1099
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.079
arrested a man on charges related to multiple threats of
1100
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:06.680
committing anti LGBTQ plus mass violence and possession of child
1101
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:13.720
sexual abuse material. This train is never ever late, right, Yeah,
1102
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.239
here's these are the groomers people. Thank you here God
1103
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:18.760
in heaven.
1104
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:19.720
So.
1105
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:24.399
In February, the FBI San Juan Field Office counter Terrorism
1106
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.399
Program received an anonymous tip about a social media user
1107
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:32.399
who appeared to be planning a mass shooting targeting the community.
1108
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.239
According to an affidavid, the user had shared a tactical
1109
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:40.520
map showing a gay friendly bar in the metropolitan area
1110
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:44.600
of Puerto Rico. Agents were able to identify the user
1111
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:49.640
as Dela Cruz Yes. A search of his social media
1112
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:52.600
turned up multiple public posts dating back to at least
1113
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:56.159
twenty twenty four. There was a photo of him pointing
1114
01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:58.760
what appeared to be a firearm at the camera, along with.
1115
01:11:58.720 --> 01:11:59.640
The phrase.
1116
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.520
Last thing you will see on Pride month in Spanish,
1117
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:09.119
he expressed admiration for the man who carried out the
1118
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:16.239
massacre at Pulse. In one post, he described me as
1119
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:21.880
a hero. In early June, he posted images of patches
1120
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.920
associated with neo Nazis, over which he had written let's
1121
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:31.960
burn the LGBTQ community to the ground. Hunting season is on.
1122
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.239
What a delightful human being.
1123
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:40.880
Right after issuing a search and seizure warrant for his
1124
01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:46.680
Google accounts, they discovered as many as five hundred images
1125
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:51.640
that contained cartoon or artificial intelligence, created obscene visual representations
1126
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.880
of minor engagement in sexually explicit conduct, and seven videos
1127
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:02.600
of child sexual abuse. This is what these fucking sick
1128
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:08.359
puppies jerk off to when they're not busy hating us children.
1129
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:13.359
It never occurred to me until literally this moment, that
1130
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.880
you could use AI to make child.
1131
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.359
They do, Oh yeah they do. And I think they
1132
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.079
were looking for a loophole with it. But I think
1133
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.680
it's being treated the same because obviously it is.
1134
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.720
It never even occurred to me to put my brains
1135
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.439
also the other the things being a thing.
1136
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:34.880
But they do. Mm hmm.
1137
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.960
Yeah, but you know, the shit in his little callers
1138
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:46.279
went beyond. He charged with interstate communication of threats, receiving
1139
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.800
child sexual abuse material and receipt and possession of obscene
1140
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:57.840
visual representations of child sexual abuse. Ye're welcome, I Dela
1141
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:04.760
cruse and be fitting right. Your esteemed legacy as well.
1142
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:06.479
You belong in a cage.
1143
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:08.960
So happy Pride month, bitch that part.
1144
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.640
Well it's July, so now we're in wrath month.
1145
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:16.239
There we go. You want to do this song?
1146
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.359
He's fun, This is fun. I had to keep this
1147
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:26.000
on the list. So a couple of weeks ago, Donald
1148
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.319
Trump had himself. He threw himself a party because he
1149
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.359
was the only one that went his Great American State Fair.
1150
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.720
You would think he'd be tired of the birthday parties
1151
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.880
no one comes to. But anyway, I know, and Great
1152
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.000
American State Fair.
1153
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:46.520
Yeah, and I mean it took place in a state.
1154
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.239
I guess that's the only Actually, no, it was in
1155
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:52.079
d C. Wasn't it. Dang, that's not really a state,
1156
01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:54.720
is it? So none of those words are accurate.
1157
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:03.720
Apparently this is worse then it looked on TV. Donald
1158
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.319
Trump's Great American State Fair has been resoundingly mocked on
1159
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:12.279
social media for its low turn out, as well as
1160
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:16.119
the president's and his sec offants continued claims that the
1161
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:21.399
event is packed with people. One reporter, Slate's Molly Olmsted,
1162
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.920
decided to visit the fair and see for herself whether
1163
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.199
it is really as bad as it looks on TV,
1164
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:29.600
and her conclusion was it's worse.
1165
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.800
She said, I aimed to go down to the fair
1166
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.079
and find something unexpected. It seemed possible those photos were
1167
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.319
a matter of off hours, of poor angles or selective omission.
1168
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:46.359
But now we can confidently report that the Great American
1169
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:48.760
State Fair is a big old dud.
1170
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:50.119
Imagine that.
1171
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:56.079
No one wants to come to your beer can clan
1172
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:57.840
rally sir right.
1173
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.760
The fair was planned by Trump's Freedom two fifty task
1174
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.760
force No One's Happy right Now. It opened on June
1175
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.359
twenty fifth, ran through July tenth as part of the
1176
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:14.720
nation's two and fiftieth anniversaries celebration. It's more of an
1177
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.720
SOS call It's meant to be a World's Fair style event,
1178
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:24.000
showcasing the country's fifty six states and territories. It put
1179
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.439
too much emphasis on trumpeting magas successes.
1180
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:28.039
Yeah.
1181
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:32.520
Instead of making partisan politics the backdrop, they made it
1182
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.840
the main focus, and in doing so had apparently forgotten
1183
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:37.600
that fairs are supposed to be.
1184
01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.479
Fun, right. Yeah.
1185
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:44.479
She described the state of deeply conservative vendors like Focus
1186
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:48.000
on the Family and Moms for America that pitched a
1187
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:49.680
godden country vision.
1188
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.199
No cotton, candy, no balloons.
1189
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:59.960
The booze from various federal agencies were hardly any more nonpartisans.
1190
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.880
The Treasury booth advertised Trump accounts, the US Department of
1191
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.920
Agriculture both greeted you with a poster of Trump pointing
1192
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.119
and declaring America is back, and the Education Department booth
1193
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:18.920
featured an advertisement for a patriotic museum that's a cracking
1194
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:23.560
good time tucking Nazis. Oh my god. That department, long
1195
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:27.359
a target of conservative iren, didn't even get a full booth.
1196
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:31.560
Half of its space had been given to the National
1197
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:39.279
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She described watching board fairgoers struggle
1198
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:46.119
to pay attention to the MAHA, Monday would make America
1199
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:46.680
hate again.
1200
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:47.880
Monday. I don't know.
1201
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.800
I think it's going to be make America healthy again.
1202
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:56.880
Oh h events which were simply panels discussing various aspects
1203
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.000
of the movement in the content next to a state fair.
1204
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.279
These lectures couldn't hold the crowd's attention, decrying the overall
1205
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:09.640
pamphlet forward approach of the event like.
1206
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:11.159
Have ever been to a party?
1207
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:21.399
Jesus? The event felt empty. It wasn't the heat, uh oh,
1208
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.840
and it was only a little later attendance wise that
1209
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:25.039
day than the average.
1210
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.600
Olmstead pointed out that the clearly failed event was a
1211
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.680
nightmare for Trump, whose opening speech for the fair claimed
1212
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:37.439
the country is quote respected by everybody, and that nobody's
1213
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:42.600
laughing at us any more. Oh honey, they all please clap,
1214
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:49.119
and yet please clap. And yet the event quote made
1215
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:53.079
no attempt to emulate the most charming elements of fairs.
1216
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:58.560
It instead tried limply to spread a Trump rally across
1217
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.479
a one point five mile long fair ground. Oh dear
1218
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:05.840
God in Heaven, with some MAHA power points thrown in.
1219
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.319
As a result, it committed one of the worst crimes
1220
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.720
possible in the eyes of President Trump. It made Maga
1221
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:13.640
look boring.
1222
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:17.760
Here here, oh maggo.
1223
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.119
Yeah, the place where fun goes to die.
1224
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:22.680
Right.
1225
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:28.239
Fox News continues to celebrate the thousands of people attending
1226
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.640
the fair. They even went so far as to tell
1227
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:35.199
viewers they shouldn't believe what they're seeing. The pictures don't
1228
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:38.800
really tell the full story because if you look behind us,
1229
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:41.720
you see, okay, there are a couple hundred people back there.
1230
01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.119
But the truth is when you make your way over here,
1231
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:49.399
you're in this wash of people. He said. All the
1232
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:55.640
the empty grounds were directly behind. They didn't even try anymore.
1233
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.039
Not only was it not a wash of people, the
1234
01:19:58.079 --> 01:19:59.880
people there weren't even.
1235
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:04.720
Washed, He claimed, the fair was packed with happy people.
1236
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:12.520
Your lies are just ms now. Anchor Nicol Wallace burst
1237
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.560
out laughing as she read, do you think that Obama
1238
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:17.760
or sleepy Joe Biden could have done it?
1239
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.680
The answer is no, no, because people would have shown
1240
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:21.640
up and had a good time.
1241
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:26.760
I can't believe I'm reading this, Wallas said, Yeah, you're
1242
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:27.319
a joke.
1243
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:28.960
Obama brings Beyonce.
1244
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:30.760
You're such a joke.
1245
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.479
You couldn't even work in us a popcorn machine.
1246
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.720
Nope, you all are a joke and.
1247
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.560
Ones of threes of people.
1248
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:47.600
Everyone knows that again, you idiot.
1249
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:52.520
Oh my god, I kind of love it. Oh, oh
1250
01:20:52.600 --> 01:21:01.680
my god. Yeah, a crime against fun.
1251
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:05.439
Once again, a party no one went.
1252
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:10.920
To.
1253
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.239
I'm going to be busy that day. I didn't even
1254
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.520
tell you what it is. It doesn't matter. We'll be
1255
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.920
busy that day and sick.
1256
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:28.399
So flow Rider apparently honored his commitment to play at
1257
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:32.880
the failing Great American State Fair. He had been included
1258
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.600
in the initial announcements of performers set to play gigs
1259
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:39.000
at the State Fair. However, the headline artists I guess
1260
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:43.439
besides him, including Martina McBride, Brett Michaels, The Commodore's Young
1261
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:48.920
MC and Millie Vuckin Vanilli, all canceled shortly after the
1262
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:53.239
event was announced, citing the political shadow over the event
1263
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.640
to celebrate America's two hundred and fifties. So you know,
1264
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.800
I guess once they got win that it was nothing
1265
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.000
but a big Trump they all left.
1266
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.119
You couldn't even get Millie Vanilli to come, and one
1267
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:04.800
of them's dead.
1268
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:08.359
Yeah, except flow Rider made sure nobody thought he was
1269
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.319
signaling his support for Trump and the Republican party by
1270
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:14.399
performing at the event. Via a post on social media.
1271
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.439
On the same night he electrified the crowd. On the
1272
01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:22.439
Mall Crowd, he formally endorsed a Democrat running for Congress
1273
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.960
on his million strong Instagram.
1274
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.520
Well, apparently, like no one came for the main event,
1275
01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.039
but like his performance actually had a crowd.
1276
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:35.680
Flow Ryder and Vanilla Ice I know the only acts
1277
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:39.199
who did not pull out of the event. While Vanilla
1278
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:43.680
Ice addressed the controversy around performing for Trump, flow Ryder
1279
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.920
remained silent on his appearance. The closest he came to
1280
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.560
making a statement was a post on June first, where
1281
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.439
he did not mention Trump by name, but said, regardless
1282
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:56.279
of all the noise in the world, we can still
1283
01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.000
choose every day to be positive and share good news.
1284
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:02.920
That all ended when he appeared on the stage for
1285
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.840
his free performance at the State Fair, he addressed the
1286
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.680
gravity of the occasion. During the show, he told the
1287
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.800
crowd America's birthday. This is something I don't take for granted.
1288
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.479
This is something that's going down in history. To be
1289
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.600
here tonight, so to come out here and show my
1290
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:23.880
gift and understand what purpose is gift, Understand what the
1291
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.000
assignment is it's only right that we come out and
1292
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:33.119
spread contagious love. Unlike most attractions at the event, flow
1293
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.520
Rida managed to draw a large audience, as seen in
1294
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:39.680
footage shared by the fair organizers.
1295
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:41.880
Because white people love that damn song.
1296
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:46.079
One attendee said. The rapper invited audience members on stage
1297
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:52.239
and handed out flowers unsigned sneakers. The state fair has,
1298
01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:55.560
of course been dogged by lackluster attendants, a brutal heat
1299
01:23:55.600 --> 01:24:00.000
wave and environmentally damaging fireworks, as well as visibly melted,
1300
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.800
botched repairs on Trump's wrap.
1301
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:05.560
Look up, arch.
1302
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:11.199
I was ready to clown Flow right up for participating.
1303
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:14.159
Is that why you posted this and shot?
1304
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:20.159
Well? Because he used the stage to endorse a Democrat
1305
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:21.960
he did.
1306
01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:24.479
Yeah, so that is, isn't it.
1307
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:26.680
Yeah, that's the reason why I kept it, because I
1308
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.319
was like, really, they dug you out of obscurity for
1309
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:34.039
this shit, but then he used it for good, so okay.
1310
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.439
Yeah, he endorsed Democrat Bernard Taylor. He was running for
1311
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:41.000
election to the US House to represent Florida's twenty first
1312
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:43.039
in Congressional d That's actually.
1313
01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:47.520
Kind of awesome. Yeah, And Vanilla Ice, he didn't got
1314
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:50.760
no integrity. He just shows up because you ask him to.
1315
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.199
You give him twenty dollars a ride home and maybe
1316
01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:58.039
a snack, and he'll sing his one little song for
1317
01:24:58.159 --> 01:24:58.920
you probably.
1318
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:05.239
Yeah. So yeah, it's a joke. The whole thing is
1319
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:09.479
a joke. Yeah, it's a ridiculous failure, as is our
1320
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:15.840
resident in the White House. That mother photo. Yeah. Oh
1321
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:22.720
oh wait, let's see what am I reading? Vanilla isis
1322
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:27.279
show was canceled two hours before he was due to
1323
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:31.560
perform at an I Love the Nineties concert due to
1324
01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:32.520
inclement weather.
1325
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:35.720
Oh right, even God didn't want him to perform.
1326
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.359
The fair was closed for the remainder of the day
1327
01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:42.079
for safety.
1328
01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:46.800
Uh huh, so we could be safe from Vanilla.
1329
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:49.840
And just to put a bow on it. Trump has
1330
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:53.560
reportedly been livid about the poor attendants at the fair,
1331
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.239
and some White House officials who shared revealing photos from
1332
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:05.279
his speech were even told to lead them. You know,
1333
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.600
it's kind of like, fuck all, y'all.
1334
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:10.000
Yeah.
1335
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:10.720
Yeah.
1336
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:15.199
It's just as well though, because Vanilla ICE's song Ice
1337
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.640
Ice Baby has been co opted by people who use
1338
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:20.159
it to talent immigrants.
1339
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:28.159
Hawks News is token liberal commentator Jessica Tarlov. Yeah, yeah,
1340
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.640
it was quick to poke fun at the absence of
1341
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.720
crowds at the Great American State Fair. She's a Democratic
1342
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:39.199
Party strategist co host of The Five visited the fair
1343
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:43.399
while co hosting a special broadcast from the site with
1344
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:48.600
colleagues Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfield, Dana Perino, and Joey Jones.
1345
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:50.840
Plenty of room at the state Fairs, she wrote in
1346
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.600
one post on the side of a photo of a
1347
01:26:53.680 --> 01:27:01.159
completely empty field. She also posted a video telling viewers,
1348
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:05.479
I'm at the State Fair. It is as empty as advertised.
1349
01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.840
It is also so hot that it's not really safe
1350
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:08.479
to be out of here.
1351
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:09.359
Wow.
1352
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:13.680
That Thursday was the hottest July second on record, with
1353
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:17.800
afternoon temperatures above one hundred degrees and extreme heat warning
1354
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.119
was in effect throughout the day.
1355
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.720
Even the tumbleweeds that were rolling through went home. Early.
1356
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:29.039
Fox News inadvertently drew attention to the lack of crowds,
1357
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:35.439
with Michael Estemy reporting live from the fair and streaming
1358
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:38.279
just how hot it was. The current temperature outside right now,
1359
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:40.840
by the way, one hundred one degrees a factor in
1360
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:42.760
the humidity, and it feels like one hundred and ten
1361
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.199
right now. But let me tell you something that does
1362
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:50.119
not stop our true patriots, he continued, as the camera
1363
01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:55.000
panned over a largely empty field with some two dozen
1364
01:27:55.159 --> 01:28:01.199
visitors visible in frame. Backtracking slightly, he noted that the heat,
1365
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.600
though certainly keeping the crowds at bay well at the
1366
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:10.399
same time claiming that plenty of folks are still braving
1367
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:10.800
the heat.
1368
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:12.319
So it was more than I thought.
1369
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:12.600
It was.
1370
01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:14.239
Fours of sixes of people.
1371
01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:27.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's say, Oh god, it's so sad.
1372
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:40.079
It's all so sad. It's also sad. Oh so a
1373
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:45.159
resounding joke across the board.
1374
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.560
It was met with a resounding wall wall for.
1375
01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:56.960
The hated president with the dirty diapers. Oh my god,
1376
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.239
and this has been your moment of.
1377
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:06.199
Etoia people taking pleasure Raal nine.
1378
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:14.560
Oh my god, I know right, cathartic it was. So
1379
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.039
it's been a minute. What is the current fifteen minute favor?
1380
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.760
You got one? And where to come from?
1381
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:23.239
I think I know, I do, I think I know.
1382
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:24.920
So.
1383
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:30.279
My name is Charles Tyson Junior, and I have a problem.
1384
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:36.239
I can't stop listening to this damn song. I haven't
1385
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:39.159
gone where did you come across this song? I haven't
1386
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.439
gone a day in three weeks without listening to it.
1387
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:48.079
It comes from the soundtrack of the current hit television
1388
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:55.960
series The Vampireless Stats. So a big part of the
1389
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.279
story of the vampirelest stat is that he awakens from
1390
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:02.680
his one hundred of year's slumber and becomes a rock star.
1391
01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:06.159
And there's a soundtrack that's released as a campaign to
1392
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:08.199
the show when they release a new track with every
1393
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:14.000
every episode, and this one it's so good. It's called
1394
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:19.159
The Loneliness, and it just it was a fifteen minute
1395
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:22.880
fave before the episode was over, and I can't go
1396
01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:26.720
a single day without listening to it or singing it.
1397
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:28.960
It's it's I think I have a problem.
1398
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.760
Well let's all find out together as we go out
1399
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:34.640
to the break.
1400
01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.279
With the Loneliness by the Vampire listad.
1401
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:40.239
We'll be right back.
1402
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:52.439
You can't fuck away, wait till you done, till you
1403
01:30:52.439 --> 01:31:01.319
you can come. You can't wait.
1404
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:08.600
The os, It'll wait till the next day.
1405
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:14.119
Like a heading sucking you drive.
1406
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:25.840
You can't say this look mass it'll say what a mess?
1407
01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.079
How a boy?
1408
01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:39.039
Don't hide it up?
1409
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:52.560
Way, don't bury those feeling, don't wrship that.
1410
01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:59.000
Done on, don't burn.
1411
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:49.600
And we're back. We're back at a so a that
1412
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:51.800
song leaves me damp.
1413
01:32:52.960 --> 01:33:02.920
But sad, and who amongst us has not found ourselves
1414
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:05.720
in such a state right at some point or another,
1415
01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:14.399
I'm confused, fair fair enough.
1416
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:22.199
That was a four day break, by the way, it
1417
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:32.359
is now Sunday, July nineteenth, and heart seriously, So, as
1418
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.840
we started this episode, we found out that we had
1419
01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:40.920
tickets to see Cats the Jellico Ball, and last night
1420
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:47.600
we did just that. Yes, oh my god.
1421
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:51.239
So I think it went like something like this Jelicle
1422
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.239
Cats and then it started crying, and then it didn't.
1423
01:33:53.000 --> 01:34:01.239
Stop, and then you did stop. Yeah, And at intermission
1424
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:08.439
you went to the restroom and Elizabeth and I had
1425
01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:11.640
a moment with Cameron Mannheim.
1426
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:14.600
Yes, who was one of the celebrity guests.
1427
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.800
She was sitting directly like right across the aisle from me, yes,
1428
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:27.039
and they introduced her and she did go up on
1429
01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:31.319
stage with Ray Meagan, who was the singer Yes, okay,
1430
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:35.640
and they were the celebrity judges for the evening. And
1431
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:42.640
I said to Elizabeth, that's Cameron Mannheim and she she
1432
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.319
just like had a moment of who's that? And I
1433
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:50.520
showed her a slightly older picture and Elizabeth, oh my god, right, oh,
1434
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.760
my god, and she's in Susan Warner's promo video and
1435
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.159
I remembered that I had forgotten all about this. Well,
1436
01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.239
we're going to go say hello, And before I knew it,
1437
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:03.159
we were saying hello, up, and which is time? Anytime
1438
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:04.760
you spend with Elizabeth.
1439
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.439
And I come back and you're like showing me pictures
1440
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:08.600
of hanging out with Cameron.
1441
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:12.680
She said, oh, my god, let's take a picture and
1442
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:14.079
send it to her. Well, it wound up being a
1443
01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.720
little video of us saying hey to Susan.
1444
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.119
Because she was taking videos of a photo. Yes, was
1445
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:21.600
taking a video, and She's like, okay, let's say hi.
1446
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:25.840
So we said hi. That was incredible. I did fangirl.
1447
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:31.600
I didn't want to interrupt her time there because you know, Broadway,
1448
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:40.319
but she was lovely and I did fangirl because Cameron Mannheim,
1449
01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.640
you know, spent many years as an actress of size
1450
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:50.159
and really carved a niche for herself for smart women. Yeah,
1451
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.000
and I just love her work.
1452
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:53.279
I've always enjoyed her.
1453
01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:57.000
You know, she has I read up, you know, because
1454
01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.039
she has lost quite a bit of weight and the
1455
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:03.119
old fashioned way, you know, diet, exercise and all of that,
1456
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:04.439
and she looks terrific.
1457
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:06.079
She does.
1458
01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:09.720
At first, I didn't recognize her at first in profile,
1459
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:12.199
and then I was like, and then after they introduced her,
1460
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:14.439
it's like, oh my god, I am such a fan
1461
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:18.000
and I did manage to say that much. And then
1462
01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.720
we you know, let her be right. That was just
1463
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:29.279
the first little thing that happened. And then afterwards, well
1464
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:32.560
you can talk about if you want to.
1465
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:40.600
So it turns out that Elizabeth happens to be old friends.
1466
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:43.720
They go way back with one of the stars of Cats,
1467
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:44.560
Agelica Ball.
1468
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:46.800
Someone argue these stars.
1469
01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.560
Some would argue these star He goes by the name
1470
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:55.600
of andre To fucking Shields. That was just me andre
1471
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.359
To Shields, who I have been a huge fan of
1472
01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:03.760
since I I was how old are you in fifth grade? Ten?
1473
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:05.039
Yeah?
1474
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:07.560
I guess so since I was like that ten years old,
1475
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:11.279
I have been a huge fan of Andrea Shields. And
1476
01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:16.159
so apparently Elizabeth had texted him and was like and
1477
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.159
told him that and asked if it was okay if
1478
01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:24.079
we had a little moment, and apparently it was because
1479
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:28.720
after the show we were told to hang out near
1480
01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:30.880
the stage door. We were given we were put on
1481
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:34.439
the list and given wristbands, and then someone came and
1482
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:39.880
collected us and we went not to meet Andrea Shields,
1483
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.840
and I got to tell him that he's an inspiration
1484
01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:47.000
to me. And I said, I wasn't going to cry,
1485
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.640
but I did.
1486
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:52.239
Yeah, I mean it was. He could not have been
1487
01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:55.640
more lovely or more gracious, I know. And you know,
1488
01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.560
we were kind of trying to rush ourselves out just
1489
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:03.600
because you know, he in fairness, the man is eighty
1490
01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:07.279
years old and he did two shows yesterday and this
1491
01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:10.680
was at the end of the second one, and you know,
1492
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.279
he was up for a visit which was incredible, just incredible,
1493
01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:21.039
and I, you know, just blurreted out that our our
1494
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:24.760
friend Gregory King wrote an amazing essay which we will
1495
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:30.479
link to in this episode. Wrote an amazing piece about
1496
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.800
Jelicable canceling early last performance at August eighthly closing early
1497
01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:43.239
and well they had announced an extended run and then
1498
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:52.560
canceled them. And really excellent thought provoking piece that you
1499
01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:56.680
had you messaged Gregory about. We will be interviewing him
1500
01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.279
tomorrow Monday, Yes, and get that episode out as well, well,
1501
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:04.880
talking about you know, this piece that really examines what
1502
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.239
closes and what gets to hang around, right, and the
1503
01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:12.359
fact that it's not just about money, so it will
1504
01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:16.760
be a very interesting conversation. Andre said, please do send
1505
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.880
me that article. So I have his phone number on
1506
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:25.119
my phone now and I did send the article and
1507
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:27.319
he said, I'm I just read that and I'm sharing
1508
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:31.600
it on social media, so squee. We sent that to
1509
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:35.079
Gregory so he would know. But it really is a
1510
01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:37.079
great piece and it's going to be a great interview
1511
01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:40.680
because there is such a larger conversation to be had
1512
01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:46.119
the other person that we ran into while we waited
1513
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:50.800
to you know, we were let inside backstage, and then
1514
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:58.439
as we were waiting, Temptress Chastity Moore, who is an
1515
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:05.239
amazing Zabella trans woman who played Grizabella roots very much
1516
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:08.000
in Ballroom but apparently has not been on stage for
1517
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:13.479
about twenty years, saying the literal fuck had a memory
1518
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:17.520
and the song never made me cry before I was
1519
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:23.279
bawling because there was a moment, you know, Grizabella kind
1520
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:27.159
of looks crazy and in the beginning and a bag
1521
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:33.920
lady basically, and there's a character trying to remember the
1522
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:41.840
character's name. Syllabus syllabus sibylists, Sibylists syllabus sibylists. I think anyway,
1523
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:46.760
there's a moment and oh and you rightly picked out
1524
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:54.159
We thought for a moment that the costume was an
1525
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:58.720
homage to Marcia P. Johnson because there was a ring
1526
01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:00.560
of flowers, but you saw.
1527
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.279
What it really was.
1528
01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:05.000
Yes, I was like, oh, wait, that is the cover
1529
01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:06.920
of the book All Boys Aren't Blue.
1530
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:09.640
Yes it is, Yes it is.
1531
01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:11.960
And I was like, and you know, it's a fierce
1532
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:19.439
intentional reference either way. But once you realize you know
1533
01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:22.199
it's the book cover, it makes everything else about the
1534
01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:24.319
character makes so much more sense.
1535
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:32.199
Right right transferm Human Teddy Wilson Jr. Syllabub Syllabub syllabub
1536
01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:38.359
and you know pink overalls, which I think is also symbolic. Yeah,
1537
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:43.520
and you know the crown of sunflowers. And there was
1538
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:47.079
a moment where Syllabub had had tried at the end
1539
01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:52.319
of the first act to present Grizabella with a gown,
1540
01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.640
and she kind of brushed the young person away, and
1541
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.720
then you know in the second act she's she's in
1542
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:03.279
the gown, and there was a moment between the two
1543
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:08.800
of them that made me burst into tears, saying, because
1544
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:14.399
I'm sitting there with Elizabeth, with whom you know, run
1545
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:18.479
Transformation Collective. We have been doing this work together for
1546
01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:22.520
the last six years, and you know, Elizabeth extends well
1547
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:29.479
beyond that in terms of you know, mutual transsupport and
1548
01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:34.840
discussion and aid. And that moment sort of summarized for
1549
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:39.399
me what we do and it was just I cried
1550
01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:43.279
through the whole fucking the I cried and cried because
1551
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.159
it was beautiful.
1552
01:42:44.479 --> 01:42:46.560
It was That's why I was sobbing. At first. I
1553
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:50.840
was like, oh my god, this exists places.
1554
01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:52.800
To show that should run for years.
1555
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.279
I agree. Like the fact that, like the fact that
1556
01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:57.079
it was happening in front of me, just made me
1557
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:59.279
cry because it was so beautiful, seeing all these like
1558
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:05.600
beautiful full queer black and brown like trans feme just
1559
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:09.600
all these wonderful people and killing it.
1560
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.680
Yeah, and Elizabeth and I got to have a conversation
1561
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:19.359
with Chassidy that was totally unexpected. What a gift, you know,
1562
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.079
And I said, enjoy every moment of this. Just soak
1563
01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:27.439
it in because she got a long standing ovation for
1564
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.279
it and I could feel her soaking it in.
1565
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:38.239
We may or may not have help facilitate that standing
1566
01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:41.039
ovation because we're all screaming our full heads off, and
1567
01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:43.239
I look around, like, why is everyone sitting? And then
1568
01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:44.960
I started to get up, and then everyone.
1569
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.600
Else we've stood up, and we stood up. I could
1570
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:51.800
not stand up exactly. It was just amazing and so
1571
01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:55.159
well deserved, and you know, of course the entire cast.
1572
01:43:55.680 --> 01:44:03.960
This is such a celebration of black, queer and trans
1573
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:09.039
excellence and enjoy and creativity and oh my god, what
1574
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:09.880
a show.
1575
01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:13.199
I'm looking around like all of your Broadway stars now
1576
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:16.319
and as it fucking should be. Oh my god.
1577
01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:19.640
Yeah, yeah, and.
1578
01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:26.439
Just and you know the show has You can enjoy
1579
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:30.119
the show no matter who you are. But if you know,
1580
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:35.560
if you know ballroom and if you know queer, black
1581
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:39.000
and brown folks, there are moments that it's like, oh
1582
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.319
that was for us, that was like and my favorite
1583
01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:48.239
is a line I never thought I would hear in
1584
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:50.920
a Broadway show. I thought it was kind.
1585
01:44:52.840 --> 01:45:01.439
Like it was okay, right, So yeah, wow, just what
1586
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:02.079
a night.
1587
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:03.840
What a night.
1588
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:08.960
So sorry to see it close. We're going to do
1589
01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:11.760
everything we can to at least have this conversation a
1590
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:14.479
little bit differently than Andrew. Lloyd Weber is trying to
1591
01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:16.039
have this conversation, which we'll.
1592
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:16.640
Talk about later.
1593
01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:24.560
I was so moved and so thrilled all night, just
1594
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:29.119
all night. It was captivating. This was elizabeth second time
1595
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:32.479
saying it. She told me I want to go back,
1596
01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:36.560
and we had tickets to go on your birthday, as
1597
01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:40.960
I mentioned top of the show. But this all worked out.
1598
01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:45.000
Yeahsing The new closing date is now a week before
1599
01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:46.279
when we would have.
1600
01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:52.000
Gone exactly exactly the weekend before. What a show, what
1601
01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:56.640
a night, what a filled with bonuses, you know. And
1602
01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:00.880
then this morning it's surreally texting with Susan Warner and
1603
01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:02.720
then Andre de Shields.
1604
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.960
And we're talking and I'm just sitting there like, look at.
1605
01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:08.640
Us, and I was like, you know, whos on the
1606
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.840
other end of this text right right? And sharing photos
1607
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:18.359
from the evening and just relishing at it all.
1608
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:19.680
What.
1609
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:24.319
I am so grateful we got to do that. And
1610
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:27.960
you know, as much as I loved meeting Andrea, seeing
1611
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:31.000
you meet Andre is what's going to stick with me forever.
1612
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:34.920
I'm so so thrilled you got to do that me too.
1613
01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.039
And tonight I got to go back to work and
1614
01:46:37.079 --> 01:46:41.119
act like my entire life hasn't been changed, right.
1615
01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:46.279
Yeah, So more to come, Like I said, we will
1616
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:48.239
be talking to Gregory. We will try to get this
1617
01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:51.399
episode and then that episode, or however this works out
1618
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.800
out as quickly as possible. I believe you've had time
1619
01:46:54.600 --> 01:47:00.680
during the break to edit up until the day. Sad
1620
01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:02.000
fifteen minute.
1621
01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:06.880
Fave, damp and sad might be the working title to
1622
01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:08.239
this episode so far.
1623
01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:21.319
There's my basement, folks, both of them in the never Mind,
1624
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:23.479
I'm not gonna never Mind.
1625
01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.520
Shall huge celebration.
1626
01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:37.399
Of just again, excellence and joy and I can't say enough.
1627
01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:41.520
If you have any opportunity to get there, get run,
1628
01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:43.119
don't walk, joke, get there.
1629
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.359
And we were in the second row.
1630
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.319
We were in the second row, Yes we were.
1631
01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:52.199
But I feel like there's not a bad seat for
1632
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:55.199
this show because you know, we're up front, so we
1633
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:58.520
get all the characterization in the side comments. Oh yeah,
1634
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.640
if you're up a little further, you get to see
1635
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.720
all the choreography in the formations, like there's there's a
1636
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:05.319
reason to be in every.
1637
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:07.720
Well, we saw all of it. Yeah, we saw everything
1638
01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:14.600
from right there next to Cameron Manheim. Brilliant seats, brilliant
1639
01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:16.399
And it was a fluke that they were available and
1640
01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:22.680
Elizabeth grabbed them. Happy Anniversary, happy Birthday, og anniversary, Andy
1641
01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:28.359
and birthday indeed and thank you. Yes, yes, and Kathy
1642
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:30.640
couldn't go with us, but I did get her a
1643
01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:34.279
fan and an autographed playbill, So yes, I think I
1644
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:37.399
made up for and we missed her. I think she
1645
01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:42.439
would have loved that, truly our typical Broadway pal.
1646
01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:49.720
I'm I wish uh my dearly departed bestie Christina could
1647
01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:52.560
have been around so I could tell her that we
1648
01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.840
met camera or that we that Cameron Mannheim was in
1649
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:56.279
the building.
1650
01:48:56.479 --> 01:49:01.520
Yes, yes, oh we met her. We have photographic evidence,
1651
01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:05.000
it's true, of the three of us together. Yeah, I
1652
01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:08.560
feel lighter, So do I in all the michigas and
1653
01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:14.199
bullshit which we are about to get to. Had we
1654
01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:21.239
had just an amazing, amazing Saturday. Yeah, I don't want
1655
01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:24.039
to do this next part, but I do because these
1656
01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:26.399
are conversations we've been sitting on for a bit. So
1657
01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:33.319
without further ado, it is time for the cavalcade of
1658
01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:37.000
complete and utter fucking nonsense.
1659
01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:38.520
Boo.
1660
01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:39.239
Right.
1661
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:44.800
So yeah, an article came out this was uh, you know,
1662
01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:48.760
Aaron Reid, Thank God for Aaron Reid. After the trans
1663
01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:52.680
athlete bands, the Heritage Foundation now sets its sights on
1664
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:57.600
dismantling Title nine. Raise your hand if you didn't see
1665
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:03.359
this coming and warn others anyway, anyone? Ber uh huh?
1666
01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:07.960
And you know, in light of recent anti trans athlete
1667
01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:11.439
rulings from the bought and paid for Supreme Court, well,
1668
01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:15.279
a senior member of the Heritage Foundation is imagining a
1669
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:19.520
future that looks a lot like the past. One where
1670
01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:23.359
a key provision of Title nine, a foundational law preserving
1671
01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:28.600
gender equality, is gutted. Yeah, One where women in sports
1672
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:34.439
and in academia are sidelined in deference to men. Imagine
1673
01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:40.279
one where trans people don't exist at all. Title nine's
1674
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:48.199
failed experiment, Why accommodating sex differences beats engineered parody is
1675
01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:54.279
authored by Boise State University professor doctor Scott Jenner yenor
1676
01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:59.359
doesn't matter, doesn't matter his name. Relying on sexist stereotypes,
1677
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:03.239
it calls for the government to let some schools dismantle
1678
01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:09.239
competitive women's athletics, which is already comparatively under resourced. But
1679
01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:13.199
we care about women's sports, uh, they don't, and let
1680
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:18.680
women funnel into more feminine physical activities like yoga, hiking clubs,
1681
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:20.720
and team cheerleading.
1682
01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:25.000
Instead of what meeting contests while rolling in the mud.
1683
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:25.399
Fuck you.
1684
01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:30.640
Experts have been sounding the alarm about this threat since
1685
01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:35.840
the inception of Project twenty twenty five and before the
1686
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:39.800
far rights political playbook spearheaded by the dark money of
1687
01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:41.000
the Heritage Foundation.
1688
01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:43.720
I'm looking for the quote.
1689
01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:46.520
Yeah, and this dude is, by the way, a senior
1690
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:51.000
research fellow at Heritage. In his spare time, he's a
1691
01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:55.399
member of a secretive Christian nationalist group that's paid homage
1692
01:51:55.439 --> 01:52:01.279
to the africaner nationalist movement white supremacists of apartheid era
1693
01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:08.640
South Africa. According to The Guardian, Wow Yeah. At the
1694
01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:13.399
National Conservatism Conference in twenty twenty one, he said in
1695
01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:16.439
no uncertain terms that women ought to be relegated to
1696
01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:21.399
the home and be subordinate to men. He detailed what
1697
01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:26.359
he sees as the evils of feminism, labeled independent women
1698
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:32.000
as medicated, meddlesome and quarrelsome, and decried college and universities
1699
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:38.039
as the citadels of our gayna cocracy per ap.
1700
01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:40.399
He said, if.
1701
01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:42.760
We want a great nation, we should be preparing young
1702
01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:48.039
women to become mothers, not finding every reason for young
1703
01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:51.119
women to delay motherhood until they are established in a
1704
01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:56.920
career or sufficiently independent. If every Nobel Prize winner is
1705
01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.840
a man, that's not a failure. It's kind of a
1706
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:05.880
for celebration. Yeah, this is the great mind behind this shit.
1707
01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:11.039
This motherfucker is married.
1708
01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:14.720
Of course, this is only the most recent evidence that
1709
01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.840
legal theories that rely on anti trans talking points are
1710
01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:23.880
carefully crafted to undermine civil rights of protections generally, Zane McNeil,
1711
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:27.319
a legal fellow at Lawyers for Good Government, told Erin
1712
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.760
in the Morning. Although some of its arguments may seem
1713
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:34.319
far fetched, the theories espoused by the Heritage Foundation have
1714
01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:39.199
a tendency to show up in federal policy. For instance,
1715
01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:42.840
the Hertist Foundation was one of the main organizations behind
1716
01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:48.920
the Conservative Policy Blueprint Project twenty twenty five, which now
1717
01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:54.079
has more than fifty percent implemented by the Trump administration.
1718
01:53:55.560 --> 01:54:01.600
You know, here's the thing. I told you well, and
1719
01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:06.359
I am so fucking tired of TERFs for real academic
1720
01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:12.279
lesbians who will bend over backwards to make the language
1721
01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:14.920
wrap around this kind of bullshit. I ran into another
1722
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.640
one just last week, and it's like, you know what,
1723
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:24.000
and who actually had a tussle with a friend and
1724
01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:30.640
accuse my friend of being performative And the real misogynist
1725
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:36.079
in the conversation because she just loves trans people while
1726
01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:41.600
she creates spaces that are trans exclusive. Yeah, you don't
1727
01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:44.159
love me, you don't know, and I don't want your love.
1728
01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:49.000
Right and at a time when we have been telling
1729
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:52.479
you that an attack on trans women is an attack
1730
01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:57.319
on all women, and you say, Pisha, right, we're the
1731
01:54:57.319 --> 01:55:01.000
ones who are right in this, and stop pointing the
1732
01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:03.880
finger at us, acting as if if we didn't exist,
1733
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:08.119
somehow your life would be better, because you are allowing,
1734
01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:14.960
in fact, you're participating in defining women by their genital configuration,
1735
01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:21.479
which I thought is what feminism was against right in
1736
01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:29.520
the first place. So, yeah, it's happening. It's there.
1737
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:31.159
We've fucking told you.
1738
01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:39.319
Yeah we did, we did. Even some Democrats have adopted
1739
01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:43.960
this harmful rhetoric. Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate for the twenty
1740
01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:48.640
twenty six fucking elections, Amy Acton, became just the latest
1741
01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:53.439
on the left to turn on trans children, referring to
1742
01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:59.960
transgender girls as quote boys playing in girls sports Democrats
1743
01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.560
and saying she disagreed with it on the grounds of
1744
01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:09.840
kids health and safety. Bullshit exactly. She joins the ranks
1745
01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:15.720
of Congressman sess multon from Massachusetts Congressman Tom Swase of
1746
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:22.960
New York and California Governor Gavin Newsom on that front, Yeah,
1747
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.359
this was only a step toward a broader attack on women.
1748
01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.199
And the more you ignore the attack on trans women,
1749
01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:37.119
the more all women and their rights are in peril.
1750
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:40.920
But he's good to me.
1751
01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:48.600
Yeah, so've we've heard about the kerfuffle in Florida with
1752
01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:56.119
the Irish dance competition. Ch'all yeah, Florida Republicans, of course,
1753
01:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.760
you know, wanted to enter the conversation because there was
1754
01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.960
a trans girl who was going to compete. There was
1755
01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:09.119
a coordinated campaign by the Florida Attorney General, James Uthmeyer
1756
01:57:09.479 --> 01:57:14.439
to Republican members of Congress and Concerned Women for America,
1757
01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:22.000
and as a result of the kerfuffle, the trans teenager
1758
01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:27.720
ultimately withdrew from the Irish dance competition in Orlando. Now
1759
01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:32.640
everyone was celebrating the fact that they did, in fact
1760
01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:36.119
stand behind the trans girl and they fully intended to
1761
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:40.680
let her compete no matter what. Right this is true, which, yes,
1762
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:45.560
that's nice. Don't hold your ship in Florida. Well, then
1763
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:50.319
there's that don't hold your shit in Florida. In the
1764
01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:53.680
first goddamn place. If you actually care about trans people,
1765
01:57:54.439 --> 01:58:01.640
the only thing that gets through their heads is economic punishment. Truly,
1766
01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:04.840
and if you really care about trans people, you will
1767
01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:07.680
not hold large conferences in the state of Florida, or
1768
01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:11.399
the state of Texas, or frankly, in any red state
1769
01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:15.960
at this point, right reward the blue states where everyone
1770
01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:19.239
is welcome and safe, and we alleviate the problem, and
1771
01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:22.760
fuck them when they start crying about tourism. You can't
1772
01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:25.399
have it both ways, or at least you shouldn't. We
1773
01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:29.399
saw this in action way back when North Carolina first
1774
01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:34.039
tried this shit with trans people in bathrooms, and the response.
1775
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:37.520
Was swift, yeah and acute yep.
1776
01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:42.159
And they rescinded it yep. But now look where we are,
1777
01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:46.920
so you know, this fuckery isn't going to end until
1778
01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:49.119
people stop spending money in these states.
1779
01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:49.680
You know.
1780
01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:54.520
As I was sitting down today to record, I read
1781
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:59.640
that the United Methodist Church's Oregon Idaho Conference has voted
1782
01:58:59.640 --> 01:59:04.600
to move twenty seven annual conference out of Idaho Boom,
1783
01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:07.640
saying recent state laws have made some transgender and non
1784
01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:12.560
binary members feel unsafe. Rightly, so look at what they're threatening.
1785
01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:15.239
Imagine it's against you. You want to go to that conference,
1786
01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:18.680
I don't. The conference had already planned to return to
1787
01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:23.640
Boise next year. Instead, delegates approved emotion directing church leaders
1788
01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:27.000
to find a new location that is safer for all now.
1789
01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:29.359
Of course, the people that are there, like the Reverend
1790
01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:33.439
Jenny Hirst, an outreach pastor and Boisey, urged delegates to
1791
01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:36.920
remain in Idaho, saying the state needs the witness and
1792
01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:40.560
solidarity of the wider church now more than ever, except
1793
01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:44.960
you're rewarding this behavior with money. She acknowledged the fear
1794
01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:48.680
of many trans Idahoans are experiencing, but argued that leaving
1795
01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:52.520
could unintentionally isolate the very communities the church hopes to support.
1796
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:58.159
Your state is isolating them. Dear moving a conference. The
1797
01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:07.560
punishment in that is financial. It's financial to these miscreants
1798
02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:13.640
that keep passing these laws in the first place. The
1799
02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:17.279
Reverend Dwayne Anders, a senior pastor at Boise's Cathedral of
1800
02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.399
the Rockies, shared that his own transgender child left Idaho
1801
02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:25.239
because they no longer felt safe living there. Even so,
1802
02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:29.439
he encouraged delegates to keep the conference in Boise, saying
1803
02:00:29.479 --> 02:00:33.039
the gathering could have become a political demonstration of support
1804
02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:37.760
for LGBTQ Idahoans while creating opportunities to engage lawmakers and
1805
02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:40.439
local communities. Do that with your church, sir.
1806
02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:44.880
So your child didn't just leave Idaho. They left Idaho
1807
02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:45.520
and you.
1808
02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:49.520
Or something, sir. Supporters of the move pointed to Idaho's
1809
02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:54.399
recent laws affecting transgender people, including the state's bathroom law,
1810
02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:58.039
although enforcement has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge
1811
02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:01.119
while the law is challenged in court. Any transgender Idaho
1812
02:01:01.239 --> 02:01:06.039
and say the legislation has created an increasingly hostile environment. Yes,
1813
02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:08.920
it has. And then we have the yah who become
1814
02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:16.439
the bathroom police. And you know, non traditionally feminine CIS
1815
02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:20.239
women usually pay a greater price than we do. It's
1816
02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:26.319
all fucked up. It's all fucked up. Bishop Cedric Bridgeforth
1817
02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:30.840
described the conversation as deeply personal, efidelegates her testimony from
1818
02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:35.079
transgender members, immigrants, and people of color about their experiences
1819
02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:38.359
in Idaho. At the same time, he reminded the conference
1820
02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:42.840
that faithful United Methodists continue serving communities throughout the state.
1821
02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:48.039
All harm is harm. The bishop reiterated the decision means
1822
02:01:48.039 --> 02:01:51.760
the conference will meet outside Idaho in twenty twenty seven.
1823
02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:55.399
Although a new location has not yet been announced, it
1824
02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:59.520
also means Idaho will lose hundreds of visitors who typically
1825
02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:03.880
support local hotels, restaurants, and businesses during the annual gathering.
1826
02:02:04.199 --> 02:02:06.479
You know, and I know our friend Chris Matthews, who
1827
02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:08.680
I would love to have back on the show, you know,
1828
02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:11.119
has quite a bit to say about this about you know,
1829
02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:14.760
we're here fighting. Please fight with us. I hear that
1830
02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:21.199
I do, And this may be the only way we
1831
02:02:21.319 --> 02:02:29.279
push back is economically truly, is by shaming these laws
1832
02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:33.439
as they deserve to be shamed, and not holding these
1833
02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:40.279
large events in states that don't welcome all. It worked before,
1834
02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.319
and you know, I hear tourism is down in Florida,
1835
02:02:44.359 --> 02:02:47.439
but I want to see it down further. I'm sorry, right,
1836
02:02:47.960 --> 02:02:52.319
you know I can't. I'm tired of parsing my existence
1837
02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:57.239
and watching more happen and more happen, and more happen.
1838
02:02:57.800 --> 02:03:05.840
These motherfuckers, these motherfuckers. Indeed, so anyway, I thought I
1839
02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:09.800
would lump those things together and jump on my soapbox.
1840
02:03:10.479 --> 02:03:15.800
If you really care about us, don't hold conferences, gatherings,
1841
02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:21.960
or other events in states where everyone isn't welcome, and
1842
02:03:22.039 --> 02:03:25.159
good for the United Methodist Church for standing up and
1843
02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:31.239
saying no, no, thank you, thank you. That's real reconciliation.
1844
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:36.520
That's real reconciliation. That's really taking care of us. Don't
1845
02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:40.399
force us to play. Will they enforce their laws or not.
1846
02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:44.159
Don't do that to us. Don't make us wonder are
1847
02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:48.079
we safe? Show us that you care that we're safe. Right,
1848
02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:51.760
thank you? Yeah, next up.
1849
02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:58.039
So I put the story in here as a way
1850
02:03:58.079 --> 02:03:59.279
to get into the main story.
1851
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:00.279
Right.
1852
02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:00.920
I saw that.
1853
02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:08.600
So Nolan Wells is the young man who a few
1854
02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:13.720
weeks ago went on a boating trip uh in Mississippi
1855
02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:18.720
with several of his white friends. He was the only
1856
02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:19.960
black person in the group.
1857
02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:20.399
Saw that.
1858
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:25.680
Or they're like sixteens altogether, maybe five of them were white.
1859
02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:27.399
He was the only black.
1860
02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:30.520
There was a photos four of them, but oh four,
1861
02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:33.760
so it was yeah, it was five of them.
1862
02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:38.199
Right, Okay, So four white teenagers one black teenager. Yes,
1863
02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:41.279
the white teenagers returned from the trip.
1864
02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:44.279
Five of them went on this boating trip. Four return
1865
02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:50.760
four returned, and the four young white boys have no
1866
02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:53.680
idea what happened to their friend.
1867
02:04:54.600 --> 02:04:55.199
How about that?
1868
02:04:55.479 --> 02:05:02.760
Yeah, he didn't have his phone allegedly, and they don't
1869
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:04.800
know what, they don't know what happened.
1870
02:05:05.079 --> 02:05:08.960
Nolan Zavi or Wells was eighteen years old. Yeah, he
1871
02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:14.039
was found dead following his disappearance over the July fourth holiday. Yeah,
1872
02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:17.960
his death has sparked much suspicion and left unanswered questions
1873
02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:21.880
after he took a boating trip with friends to Mississippi's
1874
02:05:22.039 --> 02:05:23.079
Horn Island.
1875
02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:24.960
So much wrong with that sense.
1876
02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:28.279
Yeah, and I'm picturing you going, mmm, I'm pretty sure
1877
02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:31.439
I'm gonna hear Banjo's on the trip now that part. Yeah,
1878
02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:35.920
I'm not doing well. And obviously he trusted his friends, right.
1879
02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:40.000
And this is not the fifth time. And we have
1880
02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:44.600
heard a story about one lone black person going on
1881
02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:49.359
a trip with a bunch of white people and they
1882
02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:55.880
come back and he does it. But and of course,
1883
02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:59.880
you know, no one still knows anything. I just looked there.
1884
02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:02.840
There's no new information. The family is still trying to
1885
02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:04.439
get actual answers.
1886
02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:09.159
Yeah, I'm reading from the Variety article where we do
1887
02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:13.439
see Byron Allen donated one hundred thousand to the GoFundMe
1888
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.760
that the family set up, and Tyler Perry is paying
1889
02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.720
for the funeral. So good on them. Yes, but this
1890
02:06:20.600 --> 02:06:23.800
is hideous. It is it's hideous.
1891
02:06:25.039 --> 02:06:28.800
And I was looking at the several of the instances,
1892
02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:32.520
like I said, where a black person goes hanging in
1893
02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:34.520
with their white friends and then the white friends come back,
1894
02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:39.560
and in more than one, all of a sudden, the
1895
02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:43.920
black person ends up being hung from something and they
1896
02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:47.880
call it a suicide. Like these are the things like
1897
02:06:49.479 --> 02:06:52.520
y'all obviously don't know black people, because y'all aren't even
1898
02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:53.439
being slick with this.
1899
02:06:53.439 --> 02:06:56.840
Shit, right speak.
1900
02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:02.680
So I just bring it up because we need to
1901
02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:06.159
keep talking about this story and stories like it that
1902
02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:07.800
keep happening way too often.
1903
02:07:09.800 --> 02:07:11.239
They're trying to play in our face.
1904
02:07:11.560 --> 02:07:16.079
And I don't know what happened really, and yes, there
1905
02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:22.920
is a possibility that these boys didn't do anything to Nolan.
1906
02:07:25.119 --> 02:07:28.159
But at the same time, how the fuck do none
1907
02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:31.680
of y'all know what happened? Oh, he just went away
1908
02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:32.399
to his own thing.
1909
02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:32.920
I don't know.
1910
02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:35.720
Then, why did y'all leave? Why didn't y'all try to
1911
02:07:35.720 --> 02:07:37.600
find out what happened to him? If that's your friend?
1912
02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:41.279
Right? Fuck?
1913
02:07:42.239 --> 02:07:45.720
This is why I am glad that I was born
1914
02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:49.920
and raised in a city, because you know, I have
1915
02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:52.680
frequently in my life found myself the only non white
1916
02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:56.520
person in white spaces and white friend groups and going
1917
02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:58.920
on white outings and things. But it was always in
1918
02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:02.439
public places with lots of other people. And they're just
1919
02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:04.479
certain places that I didn't wand off to.
1920
02:08:06.039 --> 02:08:12.960
Uh huh. And yeah, so I mean this, we should
1921
02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:17.880
not be having these conversations. But but wasn't.
1922
02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:20.159
One of the white dudes that didn't come back exactly
1923
02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:23.079
And I'm not It never is exactly. And I'm not
1924
02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:25.239
trying to say, you know, you can't be friends with
1925
02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:27.479
people that are different from you. Of course not. I'm
1926
02:08:27.479 --> 02:08:29.439
not trying to say that. But what I am saying
1927
02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:32.000
is people need to start putting trackers in their draws.
1928
02:08:32.159 --> 02:08:33.119
That's what I'm saying.
1929
02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:34.319
Mm hmmm.
1930
02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:38.319
I mean, but would that I ultimately we're found the
1931
02:08:38.479 --> 02:08:43.880
pastor we need body coms. They if you were going,
1932
02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:45.920
if you were going to be the only non white
1933
02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.239
person in a group of two or more, we need
1934
02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:53.399
you to wear a body cam for your own safety.
1935
02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:55.119
Yeah, because this is bullshit.
1936
02:08:55.239 --> 02:08:56.560
I don't know.
1937
02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:58.920
I hate that we have to be there, but fuck it.
1938
02:08:59.520 --> 02:09:04.560
I can't off them White people in general. Just I
1939
02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:13.079
got so little as it is. Yeah, yeah, this just sucks.
1940
02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:18.920
So you know, peace to Loan Wells and peace to
1941
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:23.880
his family. And I hope y'all get the answers that
1942
02:09:23.960 --> 02:09:27.159
y'all need, because I don't even know what else to say.
1943
02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:33.479
Yeah, speaking of Broadway, Petty Lapone was on a gay
1944
02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:39.960
cruise ship which was blocked apparently again from entering Egypt.
1945
02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:42.800
After having been blocked from Turkey.
1946
02:09:42.600 --> 02:09:46.279
And it was turned away by Turkey. And yeah, the
1947
02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:50.840
LGBTQ plus cruise ship that Petty lapoone was performing on
1948
02:09:51.520 --> 02:09:56.079
was blocked from entering Egypt after being banned from entering Turkey.
1949
02:09:56.319 --> 02:10:01.640
CNN confirmed that Egyptian authorities did not all Virgin Voyage's
1950
02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:07.039
Scarlet Lady to enter its waters. We had full approval
1951
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:10.119
and they denied us clear and scept the eleventh hour.
1952
02:10:10.800 --> 02:10:13.039
The news comes after the Pone took to Instagram on
1953
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:16.359
July second to reveal the ship had been turned away
1954
02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:21.000
from Turkey. She wrote, I am shocked. The Atlanti's cruise
1955
02:10:21.159 --> 02:10:23.680
I am performing on next week has been banned from
1956
02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:27.880
entering Turkey. A ship, a magnificent ship full of gay
1957
02:10:27.880 --> 02:10:31.079
men and me denied entry to Turkey simply because of
1958
02:10:31.119 --> 02:10:36.000
who is on board. YEA shocked, really I am furious,
1959
02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:38.319
but I am sailing as the ship will make other
1960
02:10:38.359 --> 02:10:40.479
ports of call. I'm ready to perform for all the
1961
02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:43.359
wonderful men on this cruise who deserves so much better
1962
02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:43.760
than this.
1963
02:10:44.039 --> 02:10:44.439
They do.
1964
02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:48.239
Y'all gonna make Patty put somebody in the aye.
1965
02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:52.239
Right, Yeah, you just apparently didn't say why they did it.
1966
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:54.960
We know why. We do know why.
1967
02:10:56.359 --> 02:11:00.640
That happened. Patty spoke up. It sucks. Set sail on
1968
02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:05.439
July fifth, finished its voyage in Italy Wednesday, the fifteenth
1969
02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:08.960
and epic all gay voyage from Athens to Venice to
1970
02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:14.399
the Mediterranean's most iconic destinations. Yeah, twenty five hundred dudes.
1971
02:11:14.840 --> 02:11:17.760
So it was what it was, is what it is.
1972
02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.600
I mean, you know, I assume you put this year
1973
02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:23.479
because what bullshit. But you know, Patty spoke up so
1974
02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:27.760
exactly good. I imagine in this instance bet on a
1975
02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:31.199
two wow long as the window trans people on board.
1976
02:11:31.239 --> 02:11:36.720
At that part, oh oh, there was a picture of
1977
02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:40.439
Queen Camille opposing happily with who none other than Queened
1978
02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:46.039
her fucking jk Rawlling. Yeah, well that sucks.
1979
02:11:47.039 --> 02:11:53.039
That truly sucks, but yet surprises no one because she's
1980
02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:55.800
still a rich British white woman and that's ultimately all.
1981
02:11:55.680 --> 02:11:58.840
They care about. Yeah, I mean, I have not much
1982
02:11:58.880 --> 02:12:03.239
more to say. That's all, So spend your money. It's
1983
02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:09.319
not a good look and yeah, that's just heaping it on, right.
1984
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:13.640
The British monarchy is, you know, so famous for making
1985
02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.920
good and healthy decisions well regards other people.
1986
02:12:17.039 --> 02:12:22.560
So you know, all right, let's wrap it up with this.
1987
02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:26.399
The New York Times published a twelve hundred word argument
1988
02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:29.840
for straight approval, and the gays aren't happy about it.
1989
02:12:29.920 --> 02:12:35.279
That reads the headline on the last day of Pride Month,
1990
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:37.600
because you know, why should we not go out without
1991
02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:41.760
a smack? The New York Times published an op ed
1992
02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:45.359
that argues gay people need to whitewash their existence for
1993
02:12:45.439 --> 02:12:49.600
the comfort of conservative Christians. Bitch, fuck you, thanks for
1994
02:12:49.640 --> 02:12:50.000
the offer.
1995
02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:50.720
We're going to have to.
1996
02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:55.239
Decline, reads this article. On quity. The writer Matthew Vines
1997
02:12:56.199 --> 02:12:59.520
declared that he's gay, not queer, and that it matters
1998
02:13:00.119 --> 02:13:02.119
to whom he is, the author of the book called
1999
02:13:02.159 --> 02:13:05.039
God and the Gay Christian the Biblical case in support
2000
02:13:05.079 --> 02:13:08.279
of same sex relationship. He grew up in a regressive
2001
02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:14.359
evangelical church, as if there's any other kind church in Wichita, Kansas.
2002
02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:17.319
Now an adult, it is apparent he still harbors self
2003
02:13:17.359 --> 02:13:22.399
shame and resentment like many conservative gay men, and they
2004
02:13:22.439 --> 02:13:27.560
are almost always men. Vines blames eroding support for same
2005
02:13:27.600 --> 02:13:34.479
sex marriage on the LGBTQ plus movements alleged excesses. In particular,
2006
02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:37.760
he fixates on the word queer. He says gay and
2007
02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:44.760
queer are not interchangeable, despite progressive activists, organizations and media
2008
02:13:44.800 --> 02:13:48.520
outlets like this one used queer as an umbrella term,
2009
02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:52.399
which is how I use it, and I love it exactly.
2010
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:56.239
The broader trend of casting is a quote of casting.
2011
02:13:56.399 --> 02:14:01.199
The queer net even wider, has muddled a once clear
2012
02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:05.520
public image about who gay people are. He says, being
2013
02:14:05.600 --> 02:14:09.479
gay begins to look less like an inborn trait and
2014
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:15.760
more like a chosen ideology or aesthetic twelve hundred and
2015
02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:20.960
sixty nine words. We can boil down his argument, Chill,
2016
02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:24.600
if we stop calling ourselves queer, then homophobes will like us.
2017
02:14:25.359 --> 02:14:31.359
Nope, I know they won't, and they won't like you either.
2018
02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:33.279
Bit I am so tired of this.
2019
02:14:33.680 --> 02:14:36.800
I bet the most brightly decorated areas of his house
2020
02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:38.279
are the closet and the porch.
2021
02:14:41.039 --> 02:14:47.079
Funny you mentioned the porch. Of course, Vines, who married
2022
02:14:47.079 --> 02:14:51.840
his husband at a Baptist church in Texas, believes obviously
2023
02:14:51.960 --> 02:14:55.680
the struggle for gay rights is over and he doesn't
2024
02:14:55.720 --> 02:14:57.399
want to disrupt the status quoll.
2025
02:14:58.039 --> 02:15:01.399
He's what we like to call on a similist game.
2026
02:15:02.319 --> 02:15:06.039
Is that the word a similist assimilationist house faggot? How
2027
02:15:06.039 --> 02:15:06.479
about that?
2028
02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:07.640
How about house does that cover?
2029
02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.960
House phaget does cover it distinctly? House faggot writes for
2030
02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:15.439
The New York Times, and those motherfuckers published it because
2031
02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:20.520
they're Yeah, that's where that's where we are, that's where
2032
02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:25.199
we are, God help us all. Yeah, how about it?
2033
02:15:25.760 --> 02:15:27.319
I did not much more to say about that.
2034
02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:30.600
I mean, it's with such bullshit and drivel, and you
2035
02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:32.640
know I, as far as I know, they have yet to,
2036
02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:36.680
of course, post any kind of counterpoint, because you know,
2037
02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:38.359
they don't want you to think there is one.
2038
02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:42.119
The lily white gays are the problem there, I said it.
2039
02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:46.680
Uh yeah, at least the ones with money for sure,
2040
02:15:46.880 --> 02:15:48.399
although the ones without money.
2041
02:15:48.199 --> 02:15:49.840
Are better mm hmm.
2042
02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:54.800
It's not all of them, I mean, not all waight gay.
2043
02:15:55.319 --> 02:15:59.199
We have plenty of wake gay friends, but they tend
2044
02:15:59.239 --> 02:16:03.399
not to make the arguments they tend to say fuck you.
2045
02:16:04.439 --> 02:16:07.199
In my head, Lily White Gaze was capitalized.
2046
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:12.319
Okay, yeah, so water is still wet. The New York
2047
02:16:12.359 --> 02:16:13.479
Times is still a rag.
2048
02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:19.239
Remember when it used to be the pinnacle of exemplary journalism?
2049
02:16:19.319 --> 02:16:20.239
Yeah remember that?
2050
02:16:20.279 --> 02:16:26.079
Sh Yeah, I do back before the same people that
2051
02:16:26.720 --> 02:16:29.920
think women should not play sports at all and should
2052
02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:32.920
get in the kitchen and make them a sandwich own
2053
02:16:33.440 --> 02:16:37.920
our media, just saying there seems to be some Oh
2054
02:16:38.159 --> 02:16:41.559
maybe it's a correlation. I I don't know. I don't
2055
02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:48.200
want to rush to judgment here anyway. Yeah, let's take
2056
02:16:48.239 --> 02:16:51.360
one more break, yes, please, and come back and pop
2057
02:16:51.559 --> 02:16:55.479
the culture and cleanse those palates in this Pop the
2058
02:16:55.600 --> 02:17:01.280
Culture episode, I am standing a little taller, I gotta say.
2059
02:17:01.799 --> 02:17:05.760
After jelical ball, I'm telling you we'll be right back,
2060
02:17:23.559 --> 02:17:24.399
and we're bad.
2061
02:17:24.799 --> 02:17:35.040
We're back. Got the little extra, little extra, that's what
2062
02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:35.600
they call me.
2063
02:17:38.200 --> 02:17:45.520
Huh So Andrew Lloyd Webber. The headline reads, I'm reading
2064
02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:49.520
out a playbill now. Andrew Lloyd Webber sounds alarm on
2065
02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:57.520
Broadway's dire danger after a cat's agelical ball closing Notice, Yes,
2066
02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:03.000
the composer is calling theater owners, unions and producers to
2067
02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:06.120
find a fix for financial woes.
2068
02:18:07.840 --> 02:18:09.799
Yeah, he said.
2069
02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:13.680
The truth is that for any show, it makes practically
2070
02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:16.360
no financial sense to come to Broadway With things as
2071
02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:21.079
they are. This is the post he put on Instagram. Creators,
2072
02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:25.600
writers and directors have been forced to take minimal royalties
2073
02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:29.520
for new shows, often surviving on a fixed weekly fee
2074
02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:33.360
rather than a royalty. It makes it impossible for young
2075
02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:37.239
creatives to make a living from theater alone. He goes
2076
02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:41.760
on to acknowledge that Broadway's long running war horses, used
2077
02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:45.159
to include The Phantom of the Opera and notably the
2078
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:49.239
nineteen eighty two original production of Cats, are making money.
2079
02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:52.799
While pointing out that Broadway cannot survive on the backs
2080
02:18:52.840 --> 02:18:57.840
of a small handful of shows alone, he has a
2081
02:18:57.879 --> 02:19:01.280
call to action. I know is still in love with
2082
02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:04.239
Broadway as I was when I was a teenager. I
2083
02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:07.360
begged the theater owners' unions and producers to come together
2084
02:19:07.959 --> 02:19:11.959
urgently to address what is a crisis coming to a head.
2085
02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:17.200
Broadway is in dire danger of rivaling Hollywood's empty sound
2086
02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:23.600
stages with increasingly dark theaters. His remarks to in a
2087
02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:27.479
rapidly increasing list of similar commentary for many in the industry,
2088
02:19:27.559 --> 02:19:33.239
including several past statements from him himself, the current Cat's
2089
02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:36.280
revival may stand as one of the starkest examples of
2090
02:19:36.319 --> 02:19:39.399
what this group is talking about, succumbing to a short
2091
02:19:39.479 --> 02:19:43.079
run after being well received and even being well sold.
2092
02:19:43.319 --> 02:19:44.879
Yeah, because the house was full when we were.
2093
02:19:44.799 --> 02:19:47.280
There, Yes it was. The production has yet to report
2094
02:19:47.319 --> 02:19:51.120
attendance of less than eighty five percent at the Broadhurst Theater.
2095
02:19:52.600 --> 02:19:57.559
Whatever the causes of the current financial movement, the new
2096
02:19:57.559 --> 02:20:01.520
Broadway productions that seem to be most reliably finding success
2097
02:20:01.840 --> 02:20:08.600
have overwhelmingly become almost exclusively a list star driven straight plays,
2098
02:20:08.920 --> 02:20:12.000
with many musicals not able to survive long enough to
2099
02:20:12.079 --> 02:20:16.159
find an audience at ticket prices that allow for profit.
2100
02:20:17.079 --> 02:20:19.000
According to this.
2101
02:20:23.639 --> 02:20:26.920
So the problem is not the shows but the system itself.
2102
02:20:28.559 --> 02:20:34.200
Of this season's new musical productions Beaches, The Queen of
2103
02:20:34.280 --> 02:20:39.200
Versailles and Chess have already closed. Could we have I
2104
02:20:39.319 --> 02:20:42.799
like new ideas after struggling at the box office? And
2105
02:20:43.159 --> 02:20:47.840
of this season's musical survivors Shmigadoon, TV, The Lost Boys
2106
02:20:47.959 --> 02:20:53.520
A Movie, Titanique movie, Two Strangers Carry a Cake Across
2107
02:20:53.600 --> 02:20:58.319
New York, What Ragtime? And the Rocky horror show. None
2108
02:20:58.719 --> 02:21:01.760
have yet emerged as major box office.
2109
02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:08.040
WHOA right, So from what I hear, with the exception
2110
02:21:08.120 --> 02:21:11.440
of Titanic, not that well.
2111
02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:18.120
And we keep regurgitating, you know, right, because I mean, if.
2112
02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:21.840
We would start, if we would do original ideas again,
2113
02:21:22.600 --> 02:21:27.360
or original reimagining of ideas instead of oh, look, we
2114
02:21:27.520 --> 02:21:30.360
like this TV show, let's put a Broadway musical about
2115
02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:31.239
it up on stage.
2116
02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.200
That's part of this argument. And then I read Gregory
2117
02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:39.680
King's thought piece when the Ball Ends Early what Broadway
2118
02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:44.399
just told us about whose creativity gets to last? It's
2119
02:21:44.440 --> 02:21:47.719
an excellent piece. Again, we will link to it. I
2120
02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:50.520
mentioned it to Andre Deshields and sent him the article
2121
02:21:50.520 --> 02:21:53.799
and he said, I'm posting this on my social media. Yes,
2122
02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:57.159
Gregory hails from Broadway, right.
2123
02:21:57.239 --> 02:22:00.920
Yeah he was. I forget if he was first or
2124
02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:06.040
second cast of The Lion King, but he comes from Broadway.
2125
02:22:06.520 --> 02:22:11.319
He's also a fabulous dancer and critic and writer and educator.
2126
02:22:12.760 --> 02:22:15.959
So we are going to sit down with him tomorrow, yes,
2127
02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:21.159
and talk about his writing. Because the official answer to
2128
02:22:21.239 --> 02:22:24.879
why Kats's closing is a large cast. As Expensive Weekly
2129
02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:28.760
grosses around nine hundred thousand to one million can't outrun
2130
02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:34.360
the overhead, and sales reportedly softened after the show lost
2131
02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:38.479
best Revival to Ragtime at the Tonys And yes, they
2132
02:22:38.479 --> 02:22:43.559
got cheated. While the financial story is real, it's worth
2133
02:22:43.600 --> 02:22:48.760
taking seriously on its own terms. But King posits there
2134
02:22:48.799 --> 02:22:51.959
is a pattern. It fits. Inside Broadway has a long
2135
02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:56.520
ugly history of black and brown creativity getting less institutional
2136
02:22:56.559 --> 02:23:02.879
patients than mediocrity with better connections. Shows built around black
2137
02:23:02.879 --> 02:23:06.600
talent have repeatedly had to hit numbers that whiter, safer
2138
02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:11.479
productions were never required to hit to earn the same extensions,
2139
02:23:12.200 --> 02:23:16.840
the same marketing budgets, the same runway to find an audience.
2140
02:23:17.520 --> 02:23:20.920
When a show fuses that history with visibly queer and
2141
02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:24.360
trans bodies on top of it, the question of who
2142
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:30.719
gets the benefit of the doubt becomes pattern recognition. That
2143
02:23:31.040 --> 02:23:33.559
is what we're going to talk about with Gregory King.
2144
02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:36.719
We will share the article with you so much more
2145
02:23:36.719 --> 02:23:41.280
to come on this because it is an important conversation. Yeah,
2146
02:23:41.319 --> 02:23:48.680
because this is an amazing, joyful, joy filled, groundbreaking reimagining
2147
02:23:49.959 --> 02:23:56.520
of cats. Yeah, it is something totally new blew us away.
2148
02:23:56.840 --> 02:23:59.239
I mean, you have wanted to see this since before
2149
02:23:59.760 --> 02:24:01.600
went into production off Broadway.
2150
02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:03.959
Yeah, the second I heard that this is a thing
2151
02:24:04.120 --> 02:24:05.799
that was going to exist, I was.
2152
02:24:05.799 --> 02:24:09.879
Like, oh my god, yes, yeah, truly, truly.
2153
02:24:10.079 --> 02:24:15.000
And then I remember we're talking to Gregory about, you know,
2154
02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.600
coming on the show. He brought up a strange loop
2155
02:24:17.639 --> 02:24:19.799
and I was like, that's right. There was another show
2156
02:24:19.799 --> 02:24:21.959
that I wanted to see and it won all of
2157
02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:26.239
the awards, like literally all of them, and then closed
2158
02:24:26.280 --> 02:24:27.120
a few weeks later.
2159
02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:33.680
Right, yeah, I'm sorry what, I'm sorry? What? Yeah, And
2160
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:37.200
that has to be part of the whole conversation. And again,
2161
02:24:37.600 --> 02:24:41.760
you know the met Live where they simulcast into a
2162
02:24:41.799 --> 02:24:44.959
theater and charged like twenty five a ticket and you can,
2163
02:24:45.639 --> 02:24:48.319
you know, see it up on the screen. They've figured
2164
02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:50.680
out how to work that out. You know, the recordings
2165
02:24:50.719 --> 02:24:54.440
of Hamilton, for instance, from back in twenty sixteen on Disney.
2166
02:24:55.159 --> 02:24:57.840
Maybe it's pay per view, I don't know, there's some
2167
02:24:57.879 --> 02:25:00.639
subscription service already. I think, you know where you can
2168
02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:03.319
see recordings of Broadway shows right for.
2169
02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:05.280
You know, yeah, we need to chisel away at the
2170
02:25:05.319 --> 02:25:09.159
elitism of Broadway and give more access to more people,
2171
02:25:09.399 --> 02:25:11.079
which will translate into more.
2172
02:25:10.920 --> 02:25:18.959
Money, right because you know, I think if I saw this,
2173
02:25:19.200 --> 02:25:22.200
you know, a recording of this show done well, I
2174
02:25:22.239 --> 02:25:23.239
would still want to say it.
2175
02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:26.239
I would still go see Hamilton.
2176
02:25:27.239 --> 02:25:30.200
I would still go see Hamilton. But you know, of
2177
02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:32.920
course I feel differently about that. I love it. It's brilliant.
2178
02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:38.079
You know, it was an entirely I think news style
2179
02:25:38.159 --> 02:25:44.559
of musical and the color blank casting was important. Jellico
2180
02:25:44.639 --> 02:25:49.000
Ball hit me at my core because we're celebrating people.
2181
02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:56.200
We don't celebrate it right. We're uplifting part of our culture,
2182
02:25:56.760 --> 02:26:02.159
part of you know, black and Latine culture, that is
2183
02:26:02.280 --> 02:26:08.920
queer culture, that is trans culture, and not much does that,
2184
02:26:10.040 --> 02:26:13.360
and boy is it important now. And it does sicken
2185
02:26:13.479 --> 02:26:16.920
me that we couldn't find the money right because we know,
2186
02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:21.639
you know, they're not making less than what was the
2187
02:26:21.680 --> 02:26:24.840
number we heard, eight hundred and eighty something thousand a week.
2188
02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:28.239
You can't figure it out, thank you, how to let
2189
02:26:28.239 --> 02:26:31.319
this go until January? Nobody can figure out how to
2190
02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:33.719
do this right, and you know, and it's almost like
2191
02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:36.760
they didn't want to right. And we've already seen in
2192
02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:39.479
various articles, like there have been several injuries, there have
2193
02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:41.920
been a lot of you know, like understudies coming in
2194
02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:43.360
for replacement.
2195
02:26:43.639 --> 02:26:45.760
We weren't able to see Laomi performed because she's still
2196
02:26:45.840 --> 02:26:51.079
nursing her injuries. She's coming back the first week in August.
2197
02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:52.920
She's unfortunately the last week of the.
2198
02:26:52.879 --> 02:26:55.719
Show playing Macavity. Yeah, so she'll come back to close.
2199
02:26:56.680 --> 02:26:59.719
And I don't see it as a reason.
2200
02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:05.079
You know, I saw a back and forth about all
2201
02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:11.440
of this that said, you know, other than Deuteronomy and
2202
02:27:11.479 --> 02:27:14.920
maybe even that, an understudy is not going to send
2203
02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:20.600
people away, you know, right, the understudy for Macavity was excellent. Yeah,
2204
02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:24.040
you know. And the biggest star in the show, arguably
2205
02:27:24.280 --> 02:27:29.000
is Andre Deshield, an important role that is not physically taxing.
2206
02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.879
I mean it requires him being the diva of divas,
2207
02:27:32.440 --> 02:27:36.479
which he can do almost in his sleep. Right, And
2208
02:27:36.680 --> 02:27:38.680
you know you found that out when you didn't have
2209
02:27:38.719 --> 02:27:43.159
a sharpie, the.
2210
02:27:43.040 --> 02:27:45.040
Way that man looked at me like I firted on
2211
02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:47.559
his best suit where I did not have a sharpie.
2212
02:27:48.040 --> 02:27:48.799
I have one.
2213
02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:54.239
Damn, you don't have a sharpie. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
2214
02:27:54.360 --> 02:27:55.280
There are rules.
2215
02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:59.159
I'm gonna go over here and cry myself.
2216
02:28:03.239 --> 02:28:06.120
And the actors, as I thought, the actors that were
2217
02:28:06.239 --> 02:28:08.840
leaving out the stage that had sharpers in their hands
2218
02:28:08.879 --> 02:28:11.799
because they're not dumb either. But of course we're talking
2219
02:28:11.799 --> 02:28:14.040
about andre Shield who was in his chesting room and
2220
02:28:14.079 --> 02:28:16.120
but he happened to have a sharpia.
2221
02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:18.040
I had a pen, which apparently is.
2222
02:28:18.040 --> 02:28:21.520
Like, you know, like fuck, I know.
2223
02:28:21.799 --> 02:28:27.079
So anyway, my point was, with a glance, Andreke Deshields
2224
02:28:27.079 --> 02:28:31.239
can make you question your birth and the air you
2225
02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:38.200
were consuming, and that is what that presence he definitely
2226
02:28:38.200 --> 02:28:42.280
brings to old Deuteronomy. And you know, you've got you
2227
02:28:42.319 --> 02:28:46.879
in your libasia. You have the recorded that the bit
2228
02:28:47.000 --> 02:28:52.719
of the founding mothers of ball rooms which we cried through.
2229
02:28:53.680 --> 02:28:56.319
You know, you've got these moments that just bring the
2230
02:28:56.319 --> 02:28:57.040
whole thing.
2231
02:28:58.879 --> 02:28:59.360
Around.
2232
02:28:59.799 --> 02:29:03.559
So okay, you know, yeah, folks get injured. They're not
2233
02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:06.200
used to the Broadway schedule, all of them. They're just not,
2234
02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:09.200
you know, and and their bodies are not, so we
2235
02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:12.760
may have some more injuries. Ballroom is not easy, No child,
2236
02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:16.360
go ahead, and duck walk I can't.
2237
02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:19.639
I cannot, I never could. I never had. The duck
2238
02:29:19.719 --> 02:29:25.319
walk is my singular favorite element of Vogue. And it's
2239
02:29:25.360 --> 02:29:27.319
also the one that I could never do because I
2240
02:29:27.399 --> 02:29:29.559
never had the knees, which is why I love it
2241
02:29:29.719 --> 02:29:30.040
so much.
2242
02:29:30.079 --> 02:29:32.280
When other people do it, you were using them for
2243
02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:33.479
other shut up.
2244
02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:36.680
A fair.
2245
02:29:40.360 --> 02:29:43.879
Yeah, like that is not a I'm sorry, that's not
2246
02:29:43.959 --> 02:29:46.920
a point, right, That's not a reason to close the show.
2247
02:29:47.600 --> 02:29:51.520
Because the quality of the show. I don't know how
2248
02:29:51.920 --> 02:29:53.559
if there were under studies last night, I don't know
2249
02:29:53.600 --> 02:29:57.040
how many there were. I don't care. It was excellent.
2250
02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:01.440
It was excellent, and you know, give it room to
2251
02:30:01.479 --> 02:30:02.799
breathe give it a chance.
2252
02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:06.879
And where else can you find a talented young black
2253
02:30:06.959 --> 02:30:12.520
or brown queer person who can vogue and sing in
2254
02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:18.600
New York? Where where would you ever? It was gotta here?
2255
02:30:19.040 --> 02:30:22.639
Yeah, Junior Labisia by the way, Oh dear god. And
2256
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:29.159
again the man really had to do with diva.
2257
02:30:29.399 --> 02:30:34.159
And did only gave the gave him one song. Yes,
2258
02:30:34.280 --> 02:30:37.159
the rest of the time he sat on the side
2259
02:30:37.760 --> 02:30:42.920
and and caught the vibe. But you know how I
2260
02:30:42.959 --> 02:30:46.159
know that because I couldn't take my eyes off of him.
2261
02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.440
I was constantly up in the box, look at what's
2262
02:30:50.520 --> 02:30:51.120
Junior doing?
2263
02:30:53.639 --> 02:31:01.319
Noticing, yeah, responding with them. And I loved what they
2264
02:31:01.319 --> 02:31:06.000
did kind of with the younger version, Oh my god,
2265
02:31:06.159 --> 02:31:09.479
of him dancing in front of him. It's just incredible, Oh,
2266
02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:12.639
just incredibly it's beautifully, beautifully done.
2267
02:31:12.680 --> 02:31:13.680
It's a beautiful show.
2268
02:31:13.959 --> 02:31:16.760
It really is. It really is.
2269
02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:21.239
And I literally say that my opinion of Cats has
2270
02:31:21.280 --> 02:31:26.719
completely changed. Welcome to the Cats the Jelica Ball Appreciation Podcast.
2271
02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:30.879
Everyone right, but this doesn't give me love for the original.
2272
02:31:31.120 --> 02:31:34.840
Well that's the thing. Cats went from being that horrible
2273
02:31:34.920 --> 02:31:40.440
ass abomination that I made fun of for thirty years
2274
02:31:40.879 --> 02:31:44.799
to like possibly my favorite show I've ever seen on Broadway.
2275
02:31:45.239 --> 02:31:48.799
Okay, yeah, I hear you, how about it?
2276
02:31:48.879 --> 02:31:51.840
And all you had to do was like, actually give
2277
02:31:51.879 --> 02:31:52.840
it a context.
2278
02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:59.600
And they didn't change the songs. No, they didn't change
2279
02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:04.399
you know. What they changed was everything and nothing. You know,
2280
02:32:05.360 --> 02:32:14.200
it's incredibly well done, and god damn it. So we're
2281
02:32:14.239 --> 02:32:17.239
gonna do more about that and and and try to
2282
02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:22.040
at least add this show to the conversation with the
2283
02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:27.159
singular Gregory King and and I'll be sharing that episode
2284
02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:31.520
with our new friend under his shield. Game of Thrones.
2285
02:32:32.159 --> 02:32:34.520
Yes, you took it upon yourself. I went all the
2286
02:32:34.520 --> 02:32:38.200
way through it to yeah, to dive into Game of Thrones,
2287
02:32:38.360 --> 02:32:41.879
and you went through that whole thing faster than I did.
2288
02:32:42.239 --> 02:32:45.440
I did. I wasn't have a problem.
2289
02:32:45.639 --> 02:32:48.360
I was impressed I was surprised that you like stuck
2290
02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:48.840
with it as long.
2291
02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:49.079
As you do.
2292
02:32:49.159 --> 02:32:51.280
Television watching should really not be impressive.
2293
02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:54.799
Well, no, it's just like because when I was telling
2294
02:32:54.840 --> 02:32:55.559
you about it, when I.
2295
02:32:55.520 --> 02:32:58.639
Was watching straight up Avoidance.
2296
02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:00.639
I waited until like last year or you werefore to
2297
02:33:00.639 --> 02:33:02.360
start watching the whole thing again because I just couldn't
2298
02:33:02.360 --> 02:33:05.719
get into it when the first run, and you were like,
2299
02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:07.639
this sounds like white nonsense, and I was like, well
2300
02:33:07.840 --> 02:33:11.799
it did. It kinda is, but it's so good, and
2301
02:33:12.239 --> 02:33:13.840
and you got through the whole thing.
2302
02:33:14.079 --> 02:33:17.760
I did. In fact, I'm caught up with the House
2303
02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:19.040
of the Dragon.
2304
02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:21.040
Which I never even got into because I was like,
2305
02:33:21.040 --> 02:33:23.440
I've just spent all that time and energy dealing with
2306
02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:24.680
these people. I don't want to go back in that
2307
02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:25.200
world again.
2308
02:33:25.319 --> 02:33:26.360
It is a prequel.
2309
02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:29.639
Yeah, you do, right with reckon. I did, and you're
2310
02:33:29.760 --> 02:33:34.639
enjoying that I did. I did enjoy watching you watch
2311
02:33:34.680 --> 02:33:37.879
Game of Thrones for the first time, like it like
2312
02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.879
seeing you like go through what I went through, especially
2313
02:33:40.920 --> 02:33:44.280
like things like the Red Wedding and just the betrayal
2314
02:33:44.360 --> 02:33:47.680
of it all. And yeah, that was that was cool, right.
2315
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:54.360
See what happened before television your God and some of
2316
02:33:54.360 --> 02:33:57.879
this we could use again. So yeah. And then but
2317
02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:03.360
House of the Dragon, you know, it's had some moments
2318
02:34:03.479 --> 02:34:05.159
truly that I have.
2319
02:34:05.319 --> 02:34:08.319
Enjoyed, and I love that you're watching it and I'm not.
2320
02:34:08.920 --> 02:34:13.280
Yeah, there was a particular dinner that was just wonderful.
2321
02:34:13.639 --> 02:34:17.639
Oh my, you'll know when you get to it. Okay, yeah,
2322
02:34:17.799 --> 02:34:19.559
she served more than dinner.
2323
02:34:19.840 --> 02:34:21.840
Oh oh oh, look at you.
2324
02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:28.079
Oh So anyway, the Vampireless Stat we're watching in real time.
2325
02:34:28.200 --> 02:34:31.440
Yes, lo, they are actually a couple episodes behind.
2326
02:34:31.479 --> 02:34:34.319
I think the fifteen minute fade of course, came out
2327
02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:37.639
of huh that program.
2328
02:34:37.799 --> 02:34:42.799
Yes, I like the Vampireless Stat and I am looking
2329
02:34:42.840 --> 02:34:45.479
forward to seeing. Well, I don't know what they're they
2330
02:34:45.479 --> 02:34:48.040
did the last couple of episodes, because well there's one
2331
02:34:48.079 --> 02:34:50.079
tonight and then one last night. We missed last week
2332
02:34:50.200 --> 02:34:53.200
rather and I like where it's going, and it's been,
2333
02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:57.399
for the most part, very faithful to the original source material.
2334
02:34:58.680 --> 02:35:02.760
The changes that they made have made sense. And knowing
2335
02:35:02.799 --> 02:35:06.680
what I know because I've read all of the Vampire
2336
02:35:06.799 --> 02:35:11.280
Chronicles except for the newest, newest book, which was the
2337
02:35:11.319 --> 02:35:14.600
one that Anne wrote right before she died, The Princeless Stat,
2338
02:35:15.360 --> 02:35:16.399
I still haven't gotten.
2339
02:35:16.159 --> 02:35:17.600
To that, still living in my library.
2340
02:35:17.639 --> 02:35:19.959
But I've read everything else up through I'm knock the
2341
02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:22.840
Devil and some of the side quests like the vampire
2342
02:35:22.959 --> 02:35:27.159
armand and all that, and the drama, and.
2343
02:35:27.120 --> 02:35:28.719
They're paying attention to the drama.
2344
02:35:28.840 --> 02:35:31.799
So I'm excited to see how far this show's going
2345
02:35:31.840 --> 02:35:35.200
to fucking go, because they go pretty far. Okay, okay,
2346
02:35:35.799 --> 02:35:37.399
are you also enjoying the Vampire less?
2347
02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:41.200
Yeah, not as much as you are, but I am, yeah, fair, fair,
2348
02:35:42.280 --> 02:35:45.200
And again I didn't I never read Anne Rice to
2349
02:35:45.239 --> 02:35:45.639
begin with.
2350
02:35:48.159 --> 02:35:52.920
Yes, she she loved the drama clearly, Yes, so does
2351
02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:56.879
her son truth, Hey what it was?
2352
02:35:57.000 --> 02:36:01.600
Bee? Now, this one is a surprise all the way
2353
02:36:01.639 --> 02:36:05.600
around that we're even talking about it, right, and that
2354
02:36:06.239 --> 02:36:07.719
I watched any of it?
2355
02:36:08.799 --> 02:36:10.879
I know, because you do not like horror. I do
2356
02:36:10.920 --> 02:36:13.360
not like horror, and yet you were all about this
2357
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:14.079
goddamn show.
2358
02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:21.479
Well, Kathy got excited about Widow's Bay and even more strange,
2359
02:36:21.559 --> 02:36:23.680
and it's like it was almost like for a couple
2360
02:36:23.680 --> 02:36:26.680
of weeks she couldn't anything she texted me included and
2361
02:36:26.719 --> 02:36:29.879
Widow's Bay, Oh my god. And I'm like, oh right,
2362
02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:32.879
how good can it be?
2363
02:36:33.319 --> 02:36:33.479
Right?
2364
02:36:33.600 --> 02:36:35.680
And we're watching it and I'm peeping the flavor and
2365
02:36:35.719 --> 02:36:37.280
I'm like, wait, Kathy likes this.
2366
02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:43.920
I know it really is not my genre.
2367
02:36:44.040 --> 02:36:45.600
Was some of it I could.
2368
02:36:45.360 --> 02:36:49.200
Have done with al but overall, yeah, the twists and
2369
02:36:49.280 --> 02:36:52.040
turns it took by the end of the season, right,
2370
02:36:53.840 --> 02:36:55.280
well done, well crafted.
2371
02:36:55.360 --> 02:36:57.120
I mean it's something that I would have watched anyway.
2372
02:36:57.399 --> 02:37:02.159
Yeah, you know, you get invested in the character development.
2373
02:37:02.600 --> 02:37:05.719
It's worth watching. Yeah, and that's from someone who does
2374
02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:09.559
And again, you know, I say her is not. It's
2375
02:37:09.639 --> 02:37:12.719
not my favorite genre. It never will be. That said.
2376
02:37:13.159 --> 02:37:16.559
I mean American horror story up until Hotel, which I've
2377
02:37:17.440 --> 02:37:19.520
I stopped because things were coming out of the wall.
2378
02:37:20.479 --> 02:37:24.360
But I really enjoyed, you know, Covin and what was it,
2379
02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:27.079
Carnival and yeah, all done.
2380
02:37:27.239 --> 02:37:29.719
I wasn't crazy about Carnival, but you liked it.
2381
02:37:29.840 --> 02:37:30.239
I did.
2382
02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:32.760
Covin is still my favorite, and the new season is
2383
02:37:32.799 --> 02:37:34.879
we're visiting that story line.
2384
02:37:34.959 --> 02:37:39.680
I mean, good storytelling is good storytelling. It was, you know,
2385
02:37:39.879 --> 02:37:43.120
I did enjoy that. So that was a step into
2386
02:37:43.159 --> 02:37:47.000
a genre that not my favorite, but well crafted. And
2387
02:37:47.120 --> 02:37:50.559
I would say the same thing about Widows Bay. It
2388
02:37:50.639 --> 02:37:53.159
is well crafted. Yeah.
2389
02:37:54.159 --> 02:37:57.239
Apple TV series and Apple TV series tend to be
2390
02:37:58.040 --> 02:37:59.559
of pretty high quality.
2391
02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:02.239
I also love that Kay Callen is still acting at
2392
02:38:02.280 --> 02:38:06.879
ninety years old in it, right, you know that was cool.
2393
02:38:07.000 --> 02:38:09.520
Pivotal character. I want to smack the shoot out of
2394
02:38:09.559 --> 02:38:13.840
the main character. So yeah, he's doing it well, right, Yeah,
2395
02:38:14.520 --> 02:38:17.479
really good cast. And that's that's usually a sign of
2396
02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:22.520
maybe I want to watch it. With the entire exception
2397
02:38:22.719 --> 02:38:25.559
of Cloverfield.
2398
02:38:24.959 --> 02:38:27.280
Lane, Oh, you were never going to forgive me. I'm
2399
02:38:27.319 --> 02:38:30.360
not making you watch ten Cloverfield making you watch.
2400
02:38:30.239 --> 02:38:32.760
Nope, you did? You really did? You were like this one.
2401
02:38:32.799 --> 02:38:33.719
You'll know.
2402
02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:34.840
I thought you would.
2403
02:38:35.200 --> 02:38:38.399
No, it still did the thing I hate, so no, sorry,
2404
02:38:38.559 --> 02:38:42.680
but but and and as I said, there are things
2405
02:38:42.719 --> 02:38:45.920
I think we could have done without in Widow's Bay
2406
02:38:46.079 --> 02:38:50.040
and still told the story overall. I made it all
2407
02:38:50.040 --> 02:38:52.000
the way to the end. And I don't want to
2408
02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:55.600
see what happens next season, so I mean, hey, right, yeah,
2409
02:38:55.680 --> 02:38:57.079
oh that's why there is nonna be other season.
2410
02:38:57.120 --> 02:38:59.799
There is better right, Yeah, they did kind of leave
2411
02:38:59.799 --> 02:39:00.879
it on Cliffanger in there.
2412
02:39:01.079 --> 02:39:01.520
Uh huh.
2413
02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:04.399
So what else I got?
2414
02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:09.360
Obligatory Drag Race All Stars Commandary Coming?
2415
02:39:10.440 --> 02:39:14.680
Is that is that still on? Yes?
2416
02:39:15.120 --> 02:39:19.440
I well, I will say the most recent regular season
2417
02:39:19.520 --> 02:39:23.559
season eighteen. I don't care, I probably won't watch it,
2418
02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:29.399
but this was we just finished All Stars eleven. At
2419
02:39:29.399 --> 02:39:34.040
this point, we mean, yes, at this point, everyone should
2420
02:39:34.120 --> 02:39:37.520
know Crystal Method has been crowned the new winner of
2421
02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:42.399
All Stars eleven, as we all knew, and the fandom
2422
02:39:42.520 --> 02:39:47.040
is doing what the fandom does, be ridiculous, Like their
2423
02:39:47.040 --> 02:39:50.159
whole thing is like, ugh, the production is pushing her
2424
02:39:50.200 --> 02:39:53.840
to win. Oh, it's all rigged, and you know, they
2425
02:39:53.840 --> 02:39:55.840
are making a television show, first of all, and they
2426
02:39:55.879 --> 02:39:57.959
have been for a very long time. It's funny, y'all.
2427
02:39:58.079 --> 02:39:58.760
Just no catching me.
2428
02:39:59.200 --> 02:40:00.920
And also when they try to say that, you know
2429
02:40:01.239 --> 02:40:04.239
it's rigged for X y Z to win, they still
2430
02:40:04.360 --> 02:40:09.360
have to do well, So yeah, what are we even
2431
02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:15.079
saying anyway, So there's that. I wanted to comment briefly
2432
02:40:15.520 --> 02:40:20.319
on the beef between Soaking Up Meganash and a curious
2433
02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:23.280
Chanel Davenport. While they were on the show, they talked
2434
02:40:23.280 --> 02:40:25.319
about having some beef and not fucking with each other
2435
02:40:25.360 --> 02:40:27.000
and d D da da, Everyone's like, what's going on,
2436
02:40:27.040 --> 02:40:29.879
what's going on? And then off the show there was
2437
02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:32.200
this whole like thing with the two of them telling
2438
02:40:32.200 --> 02:40:35.360
their separate stories and like something something they lived together,
2439
02:40:35.520 --> 02:40:38.479
something something, then they weren't something something. This one has
2440
02:40:38.520 --> 02:40:40.399
my things but won't give them back, and I'm taking
2441
02:40:40.440 --> 02:40:42.639
her to court and da da da da da. And
2442
02:40:42.680 --> 02:40:46.079
then Akiria did this very very long live where she
2443
02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:49.440
explained all her side of the story and it involved
2444
02:40:49.440 --> 02:40:51.680
a lot of shuffling of papers and I sat there
2445
02:40:51.680 --> 02:40:53.879
and watched most of it, and I feel like I
2446
02:40:53.879 --> 02:40:57.319
don't know any more than I did before. So yeah,
2447
02:40:57.600 --> 02:41:02.159
there's that I was invested in that way longer than
2448
02:41:02.200 --> 02:41:03.799
I should have been, and I don't feel like I
2449
02:41:03.840 --> 02:41:06.360
got any more information than I had.
2450
02:41:06.719 --> 02:41:12.200
So yeah, hmm, okay, still don't care. He no, you know,
2451
02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:16.479
I still don't care, although I was kind of interested that,
2452
02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:19.639
you know, Willem feels some kind of way because Bob's
2453
02:41:19.639 --> 02:41:26.639
the drag queen doesn't want to fuck him that right,
2454
02:41:27.000 --> 02:41:29.680
and maybe Bob just likes a little mystery. I don't know,
2455
02:41:31.399 --> 02:41:31.639
you know.
2456
02:41:33.079 --> 02:41:37.440
Yeah. This also, William was on Bob's podcast, The Only
2457
02:41:37.559 --> 02:41:43.440
Child I think it's called, and apparently they matched on
2458
02:41:43.559 --> 02:41:48.159
Grinder because Willem had a pick with no face and
2459
02:41:48.200 --> 02:41:50.200
Bob was like ooh. And then come to final with
2460
02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:54.200
William was like oh and then William was like, well,
2461
02:41:54.200 --> 02:41:57.799
I'm right here, we can do this, and I was like,
2462
02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:04.520
that's so fun. And part of me thinks that Bob
2463
02:42:04.520 --> 02:42:06.479
doesn't want to do it because you know, as the
2464
02:42:07.799 --> 02:42:10.840
saying go, sister, dick will make you sick? Is that
2465
02:42:10.879 --> 02:42:12.879
a saying that amongst the girls? It is?
2466
02:42:15.600 --> 02:42:18.760
Huh? Okay, I did not know that that was the thing.
2467
02:42:18.920 --> 02:42:23.079
Yeah, but not always uh employed by all.
2468
02:42:23.000 --> 02:42:29.200
The girls and Bob included, right, so okay, whatever.
2469
02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:33.920
But thank you, uh huh. But Willem was trying like
2470
02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:35.840
we could be a power couple, like a real power couple.
2471
02:42:35.879 --> 02:42:38.159
Think about it for a second. It's like a mean
2472
02:42:38.239 --> 02:42:41.760
dick watched this and then proceeded to filate the microphone
2473
02:42:42.239 --> 02:42:44.319
and I didn't even leave lipstick, So check it out,
2474
02:42:44.479 --> 02:42:46.079
professional bitch.
2475
02:42:47.120 --> 02:42:52.239
And that may be the problem. You know, I want
2476
02:42:52.280 --> 02:42:55.040
a boutique experience, not a busy airport.
2477
02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:58.639
Who knows couldture not streetwear?
2478
02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:02.399
Okay?
2479
02:43:02.760 --> 02:43:06.879
Yeah, yeah, as it were right, I love.
2480
02:43:08.440 --> 02:43:13.319
Nordstrom's not well never mind, No, Willem is funny and fabe,
2481
02:43:13.520 --> 02:43:15.520
but that was just funny. That was funny. When you
2482
02:43:15.559 --> 02:43:17.280
told me about that, I was like, okay.
2483
02:43:17.000 --> 02:43:19.200
Wells and still in her feelings.
2484
02:43:19.440 --> 02:43:25.600
That's funny. The final note here says, I think we
2485
02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:27.120
should see the Odyssey.
2486
02:43:27.280 --> 02:43:30.559
I do. I think we should see the new film.
2487
02:43:30.760 --> 02:43:32.799
That was something you wanted to talk about, not just
2488
02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:35.760
I think we should. Yeah, Okay, we should. Okay, what
2489
02:43:35.879 --> 02:43:36.639
is it?
2490
02:43:36.639 --> 02:43:43.840
It is Christopher Nolan's take on the epic Homer's Odyssey,
2491
02:43:43.200 --> 02:43:47.520
the Mythological Like I know what. Oh, you're looking at me,
2492
02:43:47.639 --> 02:43:48.920
like the fuck are you talking about?
2493
02:43:49.000 --> 02:43:51.000
Because didn't you mention Elliott Page?
2494
02:43:51.079 --> 02:43:52.319
Yeah, Elliott Page is in it?
2495
02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:56.000
Okay? And for some reason when you said this, I
2496
02:43:56.079 --> 02:43:59.040
was thinking Elliott Page's film about the gay animals, which
2497
02:43:59.079 --> 02:44:01.440
I do want to see actually right now, you know,
2498
02:44:01.879 --> 02:44:06.200
well the sexual spectrum or whatever within the animal, you know,
2499
02:44:06.600 --> 02:44:11.200
right right right now, Elliott Page is in the Odyssey, and.
2500
02:44:12.799 --> 02:44:15.680
I think playing Achilles. I'm not sure I've heard not
2501
02:44:15.719 --> 02:44:17.120
playing Achilles, playing Achilles.
2502
02:44:17.120 --> 02:44:17.479
I don't know.
2503
02:44:17.479 --> 02:44:19.399
I haven't seen it, but I want to just because
2504
02:44:19.440 --> 02:44:24.280
Elliott Page, okay, and also because Lupita Nyongo is playing
2505
02:44:24.319 --> 02:44:25.120
Helen of Troy.
2506
02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:27.959
Interesting and the.
2507
02:44:28.000 --> 02:44:30.680
Racists be cracking was the same way people are mad, yes,
2508
02:44:30.799 --> 02:44:34.719
trying to say that Helen of Troy is supposed to
2509
02:44:34.760 --> 02:44:36.639
be the most beautiful in the world. You're trying to
2510
02:44:36.680 --> 02:44:40.360
tell me, Lapita and Youngo's the most beautiful, yes, bitch, yes, yes.
2511
02:44:40.239 --> 02:44:45.200
I am yes. Yeah, she's shooting right up there.
2512
02:44:45.280 --> 02:44:48.239
Yes, because I remember when she was doing the red carpets,
2513
02:44:48.399 --> 02:44:51.680
back way back when she was introduced to us with
2514
02:44:51.840 --> 02:44:56.959
twelve years of slave and every red carpet she wore
2515
02:44:57.040 --> 02:45:01.920
a different color of the rainbow spectrum, and all that
2516
02:45:01.959 --> 02:45:04.920
showed to me was she was like the perfect canvas
2517
02:45:04.959 --> 02:45:08.040
for fabulousness, because there was not a single moment where
2518
02:45:08.079 --> 02:45:13.079
she did not look impeccable. Impeccable, and she's sweet and
2519
02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:17.079
she's smart, and it's like what, Yes.
2520
02:45:16.879 --> 02:45:19.319
The people making these comments.
2521
02:45:18.879 --> 02:45:23.879
Yes, and they always pick think and they think it's
2522
02:45:23.879 --> 02:45:28.479
the most beautiful white bitch yep. They always pick the
2523
02:45:28.520 --> 02:45:32.479
same AI generated photo of her. It's I think, or
2524
02:45:32.520 --> 02:45:34.559
it might be a screen stole. I'm not sure, but
2525
02:45:34.639 --> 02:45:36.559
like she's like in the middle of yelling or crying
2526
02:45:36.639 --> 02:45:39.000
or screaming or something, and they're trying to say, oh,
2527
02:45:39.079 --> 02:45:41.319
you think this is the face that launch a thousand ships?
2528
02:45:41.360 --> 02:45:45.159
Fuck you, And I bet you in contact she is
2529
02:45:45.200 --> 02:45:46.920
acting her fucking ass off.
2530
02:45:47.239 --> 02:45:53.600
Probably so probably, and to have such a little mind,
2531
02:45:53.879 --> 02:45:55.639
you know, good God.
2532
02:45:55.760 --> 02:45:58.959
And then it always like, well, it's not historically accurate.
2533
02:45:59.200 --> 02:46:02.360
So wait what, how do you know the.
2534
02:46:02.520 --> 02:46:13.239
Mythological character, not person, character who wasn't even human in
2535
02:46:13.319 --> 02:46:14.440
the first place.
2536
02:46:15.559 --> 02:46:18.280
Yes, she was like the daughter of a god or
2537
02:46:18.319 --> 02:46:18.760
some ship.
2538
02:46:19.440 --> 02:46:22.600
I thought this was a historical wow, the person. No,
2539
02:46:24.600 --> 02:46:25.120
I don't know this.
2540
02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:31.000
The whole thing is is mythology, the whole then fuck.
2541
02:46:30.760 --> 02:46:34.520
All, y'all exactly come on now, yeah, well I remember
2542
02:46:34.559 --> 02:46:39.000
them talking historical actor about Ariel exact, thank you, that
2543
02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:42.840
part the fish, that part, the right part.
2544
02:46:43.079 --> 02:46:48.520
Wait what yeah, so you know what, just just be racist,
2545
02:46:48.639 --> 02:46:50.319
transphobic about Elliott.
2546
02:46:50.360 --> 02:46:53.040
And actually you don't even have to because your government
2547
02:46:53.440 --> 02:46:54.559
is saying it for.
2548
02:46:54.440 --> 02:46:58.479
You, right, like they're trying to act like Elliott Page
2549
02:46:59.040 --> 02:47:02.719
uh is like a little weakling or some shit. Have
2550
02:47:02.840 --> 02:47:09.479
you seen that boy after he got jacked for this movie? Shit,
2551
02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:13.920
I bet you can kick the ass of everybody talking shit.
2552
02:47:16.280 --> 02:47:22.559
Probably, but that was probably true anyway, right, yeah, many
2553
02:47:22.600 --> 02:47:23.120
years ago.
2554
02:47:24.319 --> 02:47:28.360
Oh lord, but yeah, that's it. I think we should
2555
02:47:28.639 --> 02:47:31.600
I'm weary, take one of our rare jaunts to the
2556
02:47:31.639 --> 02:47:33.639
movie theater and go see the honysty.
2557
02:47:33.360 --> 02:47:35.719
Okay, we'll keep that on the agenda.
2558
02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:38.680
Yes, Oh, and I wanted to talk about not on
2559
02:47:38.719 --> 02:47:40.479
the list, but I want to talk about They Will
2560
02:47:40.600 --> 02:47:42.959
Kill You. I still think you might.
2561
02:47:43.079 --> 02:47:44.920
I think we did talk about that, did we?
2562
02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:45.360
Yeah?
2563
02:47:45.399 --> 02:47:48.159
I just don't. Yeah, don't get in a boat with them.
2564
02:47:48.479 --> 02:47:49.559
Oh this is something else.
2565
02:47:50.559 --> 02:47:55.559
Yeah, I'm gonna fight you on this podcast. No. The
2566
02:47:55.600 --> 02:48:00.639
movie They Will Kill You, Zazie Beats is like the
2567
02:48:00.719 --> 02:48:05.319
baddest bitch every I It was twenty one minutes into
2568
02:48:05.319 --> 02:48:07.079
that twenty one minutes in eighteen seconds.
2569
02:48:07.079 --> 02:48:08.239
I do believe into that movie.
2570
02:48:08.280 --> 02:48:10.040
I checked the timestamp and I was like, this might
2571
02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:12.399
be my favorite film of twenty twenty six.
2572
02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:15.760
It's amazing. And this is streaming.
2573
02:48:15.920 --> 02:48:19.920
Yes it's on HBO. Okay, I fucking love this movie
2574
02:48:19.959 --> 02:48:22.319
and can't wait to watch it again with you, because
2575
02:48:22.360 --> 02:48:25.879
we just watched Kill Bill the whole bloody affair. Yes,
2576
02:48:26.079 --> 02:48:29.239
where they it was like the version that Quenton originally wanted,
2577
02:48:29.239 --> 02:48:30.079
the four hour movie.
2578
02:48:30.239 --> 02:48:33.159
Yes, it was, and I think.
2579
02:48:37.280 --> 02:48:42.079
True so much, knowing what we know now going back
2580
02:48:42.120 --> 02:48:47.440
and watching his older films, You're like, Ew, this is.
2581
02:48:47.479 --> 02:48:50.000
Quentin Tarantina or Doctor Schulz.
2582
02:48:50.120 --> 02:48:53.840
Uh, huh. I'm surprised he's not a sponsor. I never
2583
02:48:56.399 --> 02:48:58.399
but but yeah, I want you to watch They Will
2584
02:48:58.479 --> 02:49:00.840
Kill You because I want it. I want your your take.
2585
02:49:01.239 --> 02:49:03.799
Okay, Yeah, it's good genre.
2586
02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:11.360
I would say it is a dark action comedy. Okay.
2587
02:49:11.520 --> 02:49:13.879
There are elements of it that people try to say
2588
02:49:13.920 --> 02:49:16.920
it's horror, but I the very.
2589
02:49:16.920 --> 02:49:18.840
Very time you told me something one in horror.
2590
02:49:19.159 --> 02:49:25.559
The very very end. There's an encounter where she fights Satan, okay,
2591
02:49:25.760 --> 02:49:28.639
and it's it's weird and a little creepy.
2592
02:49:29.239 --> 02:49:33.159
Okay, but I don't know. This is the concept of Satan.
2593
02:49:33.079 --> 02:49:35.600
Right, so, but I don't know if I would say
2594
02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:39.239
it counts as horror. Oh, spoiler alert, there's a part
2595
02:49:39.239 --> 02:49:41.280
of the end where she Satan.
2596
02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:45.840
Okay, all right, streaming on HBO.
2597
02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:48.879
It's very very very very bloody. But then again, so
2598
02:49:48.920 --> 02:49:49.559
it is kill bill.
2599
02:49:50.799 --> 02:49:53.399
Yeah that's not the thing that.
2600
02:49:54.000 --> 02:49:58.520
Right, Yeah, yeah, amazingly enough, gore doesn't bother you, No,
2601
02:49:59.000 --> 02:50:02.120
not really. It's it's it bothers me more than it
2602
02:50:02.120 --> 02:50:03.399
bothers you, and that cracks me up.
2603
02:50:03.520 --> 02:50:06.040
Yeah, it's a it's a whole thing. It's a whole
2604
02:50:06.120 --> 02:50:11.079
it's a whole you know, childhood bullshit. I get it
2605
02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:15.840
terrorized and tormented enough kind of thing that just I'm like,
2606
02:50:15.959 --> 02:50:18.840
this is not entertaining. I don't want this. I don't
2607
02:50:18.840 --> 02:50:23.719
want a roller coaster like that. Adrenaline isn't fun for me,
2608
02:50:23.920 --> 02:50:28.200
not really fair. I'd be under certain context, but you know,
2609
02:50:28.479 --> 02:50:34.639
I get it under certain circumstances. Fine, but yeah, so yeah, no, no.
2610
02:50:35.360 --> 02:50:37.559
That's my recommendations for the week.
2611
02:50:37.719 --> 02:50:42.760
Okay, well we may make some time to do that. Yes,
2612
02:50:43.040 --> 02:50:49.319
we'll talk to gregor King tomorrow. We are floating from
2613
02:50:49.520 --> 02:50:57.920
a magical, magical evening with our beloved Elizabeth Coffee Williams.
2614
02:51:00.079 --> 02:51:02.440
Anything else on your spirit? I think we've covered most
2615
02:51:02.479 --> 02:51:02.639
of it.
2616
02:51:02.959 --> 02:51:05.040
I guess we should do a little podcast business.
2617
02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:05.840
Let's do that.
2618
02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:10.239
If you haven't already, why don't you swing on by
2619
02:51:10.360 --> 02:51:14.559
Apple Podcasts, good pods, YouTube, or wherever you enjoy our
2620
02:51:14.600 --> 02:51:17.479
show and leave us a review or a rating or
2621
02:51:17.639 --> 02:51:21.520
hit that subscribe button five stars and more. Please follow
2622
02:51:21.600 --> 02:51:24.639
us on social at Full Circle the Pod on Instagram,
2623
02:51:24.799 --> 02:51:28.920
threads and Blue Sky, and Full Circle the Podcast on TikTok.
2624
02:51:29.440 --> 02:51:33.360
You can follow Martha at I Martha Madrigal everywhere. Her
2625
02:51:33.360 --> 02:51:38.040
writing can be found at I Ammarthamadrigal dot WordPress dot com.
2626
02:51:38.559 --> 02:51:42.840
I am at never screed everywhere. If you have a story, idea,
2627
02:51:43.000 --> 02:51:45.239
or some gossip, or just want to say hi and
2628
02:51:45.280 --> 02:51:47.479
tell us we're doing a great job, drop us a
2629
02:51:47.520 --> 02:51:51.319
line at ask Full Circlepod at gmail dot com. We'd
2630
02:51:51.360 --> 02:51:54.600
love to hear from you. Explore our new web store
2631
02:51:54.719 --> 02:51:58.399
and get your own piece of Full Circle the Podcast merchandise.
2632
02:51:58.840 --> 02:52:01.799
Just go to our website, Full Circle theepod dot com
2633
02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:05.239
and click shop our merch There's bound to be something
2634
02:52:05.280 --> 02:52:09.120
to suit your style. Join our Patreon, Patreon dot com
2635
02:52:09.120 --> 02:52:11.959
slash Full Circle the Pod starting at just a three
2636
02:52:12.000 --> 02:52:14.440
dollars a month tire. You get access to all of
2637
02:52:14.479 --> 02:52:17.879
our episodes add free and before everyone else, and it
2638
02:52:17.920 --> 02:52:21.280
only gets better from there. It's fun. Over at the Patreon,
2639
02:52:22.040 --> 02:52:25.200
you can also check out our Discord channel Full Circle
2640
02:52:25.280 --> 02:52:29.559
the Podcast Podcast business over.
2641
02:52:31.319 --> 02:52:35.360
Alrighty, alrighty, yeah, So you're gonna get this out. It's
2642
02:52:35.360 --> 02:52:39.799
already half edited. Right, this has been something.
2643
02:52:42.319 --> 02:52:43.920
This week has been the longest day ever.
2644
02:52:44.360 --> 02:52:47.719
Right, I can't wait to re listen to it. Right,
2645
02:52:48.040 --> 02:52:53.319
that should be fun And we continue with the conversation
2646
02:52:53.639 --> 02:52:57.559
and so much love to the entire cast. Of cats. Yes,
2647
02:52:57.639 --> 02:53:02.200
the Agelical Ball. If you have any chance at all, please
2648
02:53:02.239 --> 02:53:04.319
go say it. You will not be disappointed.
2649
02:53:04.639 --> 02:53:05.600
I thought it was kind.
2650
02:53:08.879 --> 02:53:09.319
It was.
2651
02:53:09.520 --> 02:53:10.040
It was.
2652
02:53:12.120 --> 02:53:19.040
Until next time. You've been listening to Full Circle the podcast.
2653
02:53:19.680 --> 02:53:21.479
I am Martha Madrigal.
2654
02:53:21.040 --> 02:53:22.559
And I am Charles Tyson Jr.
2655
02:53:22.799 --> 02:53:26.840
Thank you so much for listening. Until next time, Bye everyone.
2656
02:53:28.280 --> 02:53:31.879
Full Circle is a Never Skurred Productions podcast hosted by
2657
02:53:31.959 --> 02:53:35.399
Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal, Produced and edited by
2658
02:53:35.520 --> 02:53:39.680
Never Scurred Executive Produced by Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madridal.
2659
02:53:39.959 --> 02:53:44.719
Our theme in music is by the jingle Berries. All names, pictures, music, audio,
2660
02:53:44.799 --> 02:53:48.120
and video clips are registered trademarks and or copyrights of
2661
02:53:48.159 --> 02:53:50.040
their respective copyright holders