Fringe Flashback! Author Brent Raynes - The Fake Cowboy

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Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella. As you are listening to
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the Fringe Radio Network. I know I was gonna tell them, hey,
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do you have the app? It's the best way to
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I know I was gonna tell him, how do you
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get the app? Just go to Fringe radionetwork dot com
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right at the top of the page. I know, slippers,
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we gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.
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Really are welcome to the show ranks. All right, Well, Daniel,
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thank you very much. Been looking forward to it. We
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have a lot of interest in common. It would appear
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between the UFOs and paranormal and quantum physics and everything.
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Yes, we do, and it's a very exciting and relevant topic.
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These days, so many people are beginning to believe that
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there is a either a revelation of their being here
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by our own government or possibly a contact of some kind.
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But more people than not have switched their views from
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tinfoil hat views of a UFO to perhaps or maybe
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a mounting body of evidence that suggests.
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Otherwise, well, thank goodness. Now, when I first became interested
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in the UFO phenomena, which was back in around January
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of nineteen sixty seven, as far as becoming interested in
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researching it being a searcher, and I didn't know at
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the time how obsessed I'd become with it, but you know,
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I was all of fourteen and I read Flying Sauces
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Serious Business by Frank Edwoods, and that was the game
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changer for me. And initially I just had pretty much
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confirmation bias. Like a lot of people in the field
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a tunnel vision, I just assumed that there was one
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possible explanation and that was the extraterrestrial nuts and Bolt's visitation.
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But as I got.
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Reading up on it more and gathering more information, I
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began to realize that there were other points of view
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expressed by such writers as Jacques Valley and John Keel
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and Brad Steiger and others, but mainly those three amigos
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right there, and particularly John Keel, and so I began
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to study the alternative aspects to it, and I've found
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that through the years to be I think quite quite
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a significant area that often gets kind of neglected and
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swept under the rug.
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Yeah, And I was reading through to your alternative views,
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and I think I'm really glad you're on the show
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because we won't talk about those because there's it just
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seems like there's much more than just say a classic
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UFO man. I think there's more things happening when a
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UFO appears or in the event time frame around surrounding
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UFO appearances. And I particularly like the part and I
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want to ask you about Frank Edwards in your Bible
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and even says that he was in an Indiana broadcast.
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Of course, you know here we are in Indiana broadcasting here.
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Who was Frank Edwards?
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Well, he was a well known journalist back you know,
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in the and i'd say the fifties and sixties. He
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passed away a heart attack back in around June sixty seven.
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It was kind of it was actually July third, sixty seven.
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There was a lot of discussion about the time because
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it was close to the anniversary of the UFO wave,
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which began with Kenneth Arnold back on June twenty fourth
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of nineteen forty seven. And he was an Idaho businessman
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who was flying his plane near Mountaineer in Washington State
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and saw those nine objects that were moving at high speed,
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and that was what actually started, you know, the UFO wave,
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and people began talking about the flying discs and eventually
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they called them the flying saucers and got the Air
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Force involved over time.
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But that was.
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That was something I remember that if somebody had claimed
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that they had gotten a report, there was a rumor
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going around that some high profile researcher was going to
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die that year, around June twenty fourth. So Frank Edwards
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came close to it, and one of those little controversies
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that rose. But he wrote Flying Sauces Here and Now,
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and he wrote a book years earlier just on unusual,
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unexplained occurrences, you know, a ghost and and bigfoot and whatnot.
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But he was interested in all those things as we are.
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We've had a guess or too lots of guests really,
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but talking about every once in a while they'll brush
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over a fact or they say that there are bigfoot
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sightings around UFOs. But it almost seems bred that perhaps
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there's a portal some sort of rather than saying flying here,
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perhaps a materialization through it through a portal some kind
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or interdimensional travel. But at the same time, when that happens,
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other things are coming through, perhaps maybe even ghosts or
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puldergeist or things that are big for for that matter.
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That that that that that dimension or dimensional portal doesn't
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dincern who comes through, but when it's open, a whole
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lot of things to come through. I don't know, what
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do you think.
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Well, that's one of the things that you know that
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people who are following this are speculating, you know, portals
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kind of equivalent of quantum physics, you know, black holes
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or whatever, that that's something perhaps from another dimension, another
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reality kind of slips through, and that I've even thought that,
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you know that in terms of an interactive intelligence, there's
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some who talk about maybe these are like a plasma
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life form, and that they can take various shapes and appearances,
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and they can even you know, project things into our heads,
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like you know, in the abduction field alien abductions, they
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talk about screen memories and sometimes it seems as though
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the experiencer is made to perceive things that really are
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different than the way they really are.
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And well, you bring up a larger point though, and
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this doesn't necessarily have to do with the UFOs, but
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it may be more a sort of a government government
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conspiracy of different types that they there may be technology
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that exists to beam thoughts into our head. Certainly, I
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mean many have had telepathic contacts, say with aliens, as
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they perceive it. But how do we know our thoughts
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are our own?
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Well, that's a good, good question. I mean, there's a
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lot of very normalists, uh, psychic psychological elements in these experienced.
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A lot of people have the experience of of you know,
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encountering these situations where they're not in their normal frame
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of mind. They don't realize it at the time. I've
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had quite a number of people say they woke up
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and there's a being in their room and they're styled initially,
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but then you know, one person said they reached over
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and touched it, and they uncharacteristically they just go well,
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rolled over and went back to sleep, and then in
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the morning it was like they remembered what happened, was like,
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you know, what was that all about?
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You?
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They got rather excited and wondered why they reacted the
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way they did, which almost you know, suggest almost suggest
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I mean, I don't know, there's certainly not a lot
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of anomalous behaviors, but it kind of suggests that the
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person's thought patterns somewhere or another were maybe changed or
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certainly not their normal.
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And well, yeah, well legos to the additional question or
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the logical conclusion is so many people say when they
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commit a crime and say, particularly against another human being,
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you know, the devil told me to do it, A
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voice told me to do it. But perhaps these same
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voices are telling other people that you're being abducted, you know,
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or you know, or even erasing their memory that they
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were abducted. Uh, yeah, I don't know. It's uh.
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Sometimes they're not even hearing a voice and they have
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this uh they're compelled to, uh you know, leave the
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house in the middle of the night, and they go
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out and they see a craft that's landed or what
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they perceive is some sort of a spaceship or something,
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and this being waiting for them, and then they may
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have missing time and uh suddenly they're coming to and
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they're in another location, or they see a ship leaving
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and they have unaccounted period of time that they don't
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know what happened, or they they do remember details of
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what happened, and and they just were compliant or they
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were forcibly taken aboard a craft. But it's it's hard
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to tell when you get you know. I like to
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deal with the conscious memories as much as as possible.
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I like your background shifts, by the way. But the uh,
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of course, when you when you hypnosis, you you know,
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unless you have someone who's really knows the psychodynamics of
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of the field and knows what they're doing, a professional
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psychiatrist or psychologist, it's uh, it's sometimes it's pretty pretty Uh.
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You get confabulation and uh uh noise, uh rather than
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what you actually the details you want to arrive at.
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It's there's no real guarantee with hypnosis that you're going
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to uh actually recover actual memories that you know will
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cover that amnesia.
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I like to I like to throw throw questions out
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to the audience. We have a YouTube chat going on.
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We have a standard chat on our website going on. Uh.
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Anybody just yes, no real quick, just throwing just throw
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out there. Have you ever felt like you had missing
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time or if you ever had a visitation you might
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consider alien Just put yes or no on that. Uh.
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We have a question from the YouTube chat from a zeer.
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Uh says Brent was the Roswell incident the official introduction
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to the US government of the demonic agenda of the Bible.
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So I think she's I guess it's assuming that there's
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a demonic agenda there. But it was sort of a
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a point in time where they were beginning to release
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full scale knowledge of UFO activity alien intervention.
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Okay, Chris, the roswellt incident, comparing it to demonic and
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it's hard enough to really know exactly what that was
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all about. Something obviously happened, and there definitely appears to
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have been a cover up. There's been every theory from
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some sort of balloon and perhaps the military didn't want
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the government didn't want full disclosure on.
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On what that was about, or or there was.
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A secret aircraft that crashed, or from the the early
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July nineteen forty seven Roswell Paper newspaper, those details back
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then seemed to tell that it was parts of a
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balloon that was recovered, and you know, there was that
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statement from a military person that was a flying disc
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and then the next day it was recanted. I don't
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know there's but certainly it's very difficult to for me
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to address anything about the demonic aspect.
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Okay, Okay, Bill Sexton asked this question, what is the
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what is your thoughts on nano fibers in our food.
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Nano fibers in their food? I really there are I know,
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I don't have any opinions on that. That's okay. Well,
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you know, you don't have to be the knower of
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all things. You don't know what questions come in, so
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you know if people have different interests. So let's get
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back to you. A full activity and a paranormal connection.
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And in the bio it says that it seems like
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you're making a connection that there is simultaneously polar guste activity,
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ghost activity or is it a geographical area, Say there's
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a sighting a mile away, but in various areas around
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people begin to see ghost or something.
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What are you suggesting there?
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There's there's a lot of experiences through the years who
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have and again it's like reliable people reporting, you know,
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or incredible people reporting incredible things. And within the field
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of ethology, it's certainly acceptable that you know, you have
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a report of someone seeing a close encounter and perhaps
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observing beings associated with that the object or craft or
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what however they perceive this object that was a transport
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or whatever. But at the same time, a lot of
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experiences have described psychic elements. They've described, say right after
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the UFO and kind of suddenly their home became besieged
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with Poultergey's activity, some sort of invisible presence that open
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shut doors, and they get hear footsteps, they see something
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depressing pressing down on a sofa on the couch, but
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they don't see anyone physically there. They feel, you know,
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there's certain unusual, unexplained odors, and also apparitional phenomena sometimes
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shadow figures or whatever. And over the years, for many years,
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that sort of thing became dismissed. Right from the very beginning.
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Ray Fowler, who was a well known nuts and bolts
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ufologist for quite a number of years and helped the
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Mutual UFO Network early on to develop its Field Investigators
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program and the manual that they used. Very hardcore scientific guy.
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And only when he began to investigate the Betty Adris
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and Lucre case.
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To become aware of.
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Of the parallels of you know, the out of body
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experiences that she were describing, and he had suddenly he
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found himself with scoop, a scoop mark on his leg
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when he was investigating her experiences involved scoop marks, and
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he suddenly began to realize that if you know, other
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things happened. And it was a lot more complicated than
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he initially realized because he used to get a report
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where a witness would say I've seen a UFO and
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then if they mentioned anything paranormal, he would just automatically
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take the report, crumble it up.
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And throw out in the waste paper basket.
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And uh so we've you know, we talk about disclosure,
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but we've censored a lot of information ourselves, just as
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bad as in many cases the Air Force, you know.
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there are a lot of things that we need when
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we go into an investigation to try to be multidisciplinary.
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in cryptozoology don't want to, you know, share, they don't
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see a connection with the UFO encounters, and a lot
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of upologists don't see any connection with cryptozoology or paranormal.
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going to want to cross over into someone else's field.
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need because there are a lot of experiences if you
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and of course right now you got the you know,
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doctor edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary
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this the same pattern over and over again with the
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psychic profiles of these experiencers.
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Bill Sexton asked this question to you, Brent, did you
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ever hear of the three huge L shaped UFO ships
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that the Pentagon knows has moved to the back side
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of the Moon?
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and speculations, and I'm not I'm not sure. Some of
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it's just how much credence to you know, to give it?
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I know really is back back in the sixties and
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the seventies, I guess the fifties too, there was a
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lot of reports of astronomers, amateur and professionals seeing strange
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lights moving around on the surface of the Moon and
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their telescopes and such, and uh, I've heard photographs.
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Let me rug you there did Did the Chinese land
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on the backside of the Moon? Yeah?
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Recently they did, yes, And that's caused a lot of
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speculation of course about you know what what they coming from.
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Though they had pictures of something there, But where's the
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light coming from if there's on the back side of
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the moon.
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I remember seeing a picture, and you know, what can
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I tell from from some of these pictures, because we
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know that there's there's quite a few fake sites out there,
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and some of the images are kind of blurry. But
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really trying to come up with some legitimate pictures that's
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more than paradilia and that do show anomalies. And I
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remember seeing one picture that alleged to be looked like
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a tower something sort of standing upright from the surface
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of the moon. But I wish the period, you know,
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picture had been clearer, and of course it'd no more
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details about it. Generally the details are kind of kind
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of brief, too brief.
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Well, now that goes back to say, Bigfoot sightings. I
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noticed that there seem to be relatively clear UFO pictures
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out there, but when it comes to Bigfoot, all of
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a sudden, everybody's camera gets.
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I don't know, well, you know a lot of the
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UFO pictures are pretty blurry too, but uh yeah, and
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of course aliens too, they they tend to be blurry.
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intelligence that can make us see things and uh alter
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our perceptions and manipulate us, and we're not going to
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necessarily be able to get really uh clear pitches of
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some of these things, not the way we want them.
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But there's a lot of people who have you know,
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mainly and and and travel to different locations from Maine
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to Florida, and was interviewing witnesses and in different areas
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where there was bigfoot sidings and and and there were
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reports of uh strange balls of light orbs and and
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and uh sometimes disshaped craft and in the same areas,
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and people felt that they it was a connection in
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those instances. And I know there was a researcher in
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Florida who had had a close encounter with a craft
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in sixty seven near a Navy base and a Coastguard station.
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year old son, and there were other witnesses nearby that
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saw this craft and they followed it down the road
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diameter with a dome on top, metallic gray, and they'd
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actually drove under it. When it came to an intersection,
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it just stopped and they drove under the craft and
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for a while it looked like it was going to
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affect their engine. The headlights started to dim, and her
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teenage son was hanging out the window and she was
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reaching back, you know, she was in the front trying
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to grab him, pull them back in fraid that he
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was going to get radiation burned or something. And with
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her after about three days her house with Poultergey's activity.
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There were voices and footsteps and and things that were
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going on, and eventually apparitional phenomena at night. These beings
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would appear always around three o'clock in the morning, and
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first it was just her and she never said anything
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to her son, but then her son began to come
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in to a room at night saying he was scared.
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there were these balls of light which matched her descriptions
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of what she was seeing, and she actually was introduced well,
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she was corresponding with John Keel after this happened and
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found out about his writings, and he had suggested to
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her to you know, talk to her son and explain
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that others had experienced things and you know, try to
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calm him down. And then late ter on she became
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interested investigating Bigfoot. And she initially told me that, well,
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this is going to be different than the UFO thing.
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house over there and was going to investigate what she
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thought was going to be a physical phenomena this time
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and no weird spooky stuff. And instead she would go
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out to an area and actually saw the creatures and
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and then she said that the UFO has appeared there too,
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So she wasn't you know, she realized, Okay, it's.
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All out there. Man. All right, let's get another question
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for you. This is from Azure. I think he's in
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the YouTube chat again. Have you heard of the rumor
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that Jackie Gleeson at Eisenhower had a meeting at an
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Air Force base with a delegation of aliens.
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Well, Jackie Gleeson was was very interested in UFOs and
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he and Richard Nixon were good friends. They were golfing partners,
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and I know that there's a story. I think it
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was circulated by the National Inquirer, but a lot of
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people believe it was true. The National Inquirer was actually
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quite sincerely interested in UFOs and such and did do
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credible things there. I used to know Bob Pratt and
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another gentleman who worked for The Inquirer, and they would
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actually be paid to travel around the world and do stories.
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But the thing with Eisenhower was that in what was
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it nineteen fifty four Edwards Air Force Base in California,
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the UFOs landed there and he went out and had
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a meeting with him. I've read that that was a
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story that Gray Barker made up. Let's see if somebody
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can dispute that. You know, Greg Barker was kind of
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a trickster back in the day, and uh used to fabricate.
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Different stories.
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He would he would get drunk and be calling people
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up and telling him, you know, he was the men
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in Black or something, and.
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Maybe maybe maybe he was. Well I'm just wondering when
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when when Jackie Gleason would say on his show Straight
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to the Moon, Alice, maybe he was really saying you've
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been there or I've been there, and I'm gonna get
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you on the craft where we go there. Maybe that's
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what he really meant. Well, I don't know, I don't know.
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He was quite the believer. Freak to the moon, that's
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what he said all the time. That's a great guy.
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In fact, speaking of the moon, Doug White asked, Brent,
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did we go to the moon? Oh? Yeah, you're getting
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my question. Oh yes, yeah, I want to sit back
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and enjoy this. Well, you go right ahead. I think
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we did. I think we did.
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I know that's been something for years that people have questioned,
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and I, you know, I think it's just one of
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those there's so many conspiracies out there, and it's uh,
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I think it's just one of those that somebody started
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up and it's just never died down.
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Well made me talk about the flag now the flag waving? Okay,
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all right, all right, good enough, good enough? Over built
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YouTube chat. Have you watched Ellie Marzouli's movie documentary? Uh?
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And uh? Any comments? Well, I really can't get much
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more out of that, but I guess there's a movie
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documentary by l A. Marzili. I'm not sure which one.
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Have you know who La Marzoli is? Uh?
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No, so that that put you know, that's good. It
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gets us off to a real rough start there.
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Well, you you got you gotta be read for anything, man,
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because we you know, we don't know. Here's another here's
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another great question from put you all way. First, what's
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your comments on DARPA, Project Pegasus, Try and travel. Ah.
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Well, you know, I think we should look into all claims,
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everything that you know, somebody should cover it all. One
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person obviously can't go into it and thoroughly research and
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investigate all of these claims. But you know, I kind
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of think in that those situations that you know, extraordinary
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claims require a lot of good evidence to substantiate it,
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prove it. And I'm still waiting for the evidence to
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further perricolate and develop and really know for sure that
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any of this is really truly valid. I know there's
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a lot of people that believe it is, but I'm
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still waiting for the solid solider evidence to come along.
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Well, Britnan, I don't mean to grocer out, and don't
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hang up on me, but I'm going to ask you
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this question here. Is there any possibility that the democrats
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maniacal push to a or babies is being used to
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supply aliens with some food.
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Okay, well, it's there's a saying that anything is possible,
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you know, But uh, I think we're we're getting out
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into some deep deep, deep, deep deep, and that's real.
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That's really my humble boat. That's where my boat is, man,
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that's where that's where I come from. Man. But so
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on my detecting, you'd like to pass on that question? Oh,
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I don't, but I don't personally think there's anything to it. No. Okay, well, now,
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as bizarre as that question may have sounded, I've had
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some very reputable guests on here that claim that aliens
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are typically fed by big vats of body parts, and
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the Navy takes them out to the ocean and dumps
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the rest of them, and they're supposed to be like carnivores,
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and they just they don't really eat it. I think
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they absorb it. So you know, when that's a connection
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to the alien The question for some who make that claim,
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and this person has said that was it what I
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believe was previous? I sixth person? All right, now, what
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about those that claim we've been trading alien abduction for technology?
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Okay, well, you know I know that there are my
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position is really trying to understand the experiencers better and
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to gather information. I know that there's a lot of
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people who, you know, I believe are quite sincere about
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the experiences, But as far as the stories of body
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parts and what they're.
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Doing with them, I really don't know. I have my doubts.
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You know that.
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I think that that's another area, call it a gray area.
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Well, let's get back to the sort of the paranormal
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part then for your brand, Uh, balls of light around
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UFO activities. Now as someone you're talking to somebody who's
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actually been on a sort of I want to say,
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a go Safari, But I went to house cleansing, and
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I've been to other places where there was ghost activities
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and there were balls of light. Is it possible these
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balls of light are intelligent, intelligently controlled gathering evidence to
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bring back to another dimension, perhaps with the ones that
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the aliens reside in.
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Yeah, the aliens or whatever interactive intelligence this is, which
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we really really don't know. It could I think, probably
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make us perceive it in many different ways.
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And it could be.
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It could manipulate our thoughts or you know, our perceptions.
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It could be an apparitional or it could be create
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a visionary impulse, you know, directly into the brain and
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kind of I like a screen memory or something, and
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make us perceive things that maybe aren't even there, or
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per see it differently than it is. There have been
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people to see balls of light that would suddenly kind
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of shape shift into a form.
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I know, there's yeah, I know.
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There was a woman up in Ohio that told me
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that she would often perceive a a tube of white
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light and then this very beautiful humanoid being would form
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into it, and then when she would reach out and
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touch him just as he was deforming later on, it'd
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be like an electric shock. And she said her her
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body felt like it wasn't quite solid.
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Like she was kind of loose.
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And I've heard that other people hit by beams of
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light in abduction cases reports sort of like you know,
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being touched or hit by a beam of light, that
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they they feel like they're not some ways, as you know,
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they feel kind of like they're falling apot or something.
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This they're well. Again, that kind of goes back to
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whether or not they're controlling our thoughts, and they would
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be able to put the illusion that perhaps we were
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reducted and weren't or and this goes to deja vu?
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Could those be residual remembrances of missing time that happened
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or occurred during during an alien abduction.
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Well, there are a lot of a lot of people
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I think it's like eighty ninety percent who have our
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00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.799
experiences described deja vu and precognitive impressions, a whole gamut
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of psychic paranormal things. And and uh, if you're going
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to study the experiencer in their UFO encounters, you got
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to I think include all of that. And and it
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may be that you know this this.
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It's really hard, you know. They like that Arrival the movie.
502
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They were talking about the aliens fictionally, of course, but
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the idea was presented that time is different for them,
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and that's what some of the experiences are saying that
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for them, there there's none of this, you know, and
506
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it's hard to wrap our minds around this idea. But that, uh,
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there's no such thing as the past and the future.
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It's all kind of They can see the whole thing,
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they can perceive it all, and so they can predict
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the future essentially.
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And when you say predict the futures, because they've been
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to the future, or they're already in the future.
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Well in some way that the the time. Maybe they've
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you know, into the future, or they're you know, our
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concept of time is very primitive and theirs is very advanced,
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and they're more connected with a whole multiverse of that
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connects them to the future in the past. And you know,
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I don't think anybody really knows what they're talking about
519
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at this point.
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But it's well, if if aliens or and I, you know,
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we always have the concept that the alien have been
522
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you know, reptilian, insectoid, you know, gray, perhaps they're not
523
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really those at all. Maybe there's human more humanoid aliens.
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But so I don't always I don't put I don't
525
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want to put that picture in people's minds every time
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I say alien, we're thinking about a reptoid or something.
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But if there are advanced civilizations millions of years advanced,
528
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what did they have discovered how to time travel? Well?
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I think about what Dean Dean Raden wrote in his
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book Real Magic recently, and you know, he's been into
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the doing parapsychological work and laboratory settings, and he's uh
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with a chief investigator for the Lake doctor Edgar Mitchell's
533
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institute there to study consciousness and such, and he wrote
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that he thought that, you know, if we're dealing with
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intelligence that could be hundreds thousands of years in advance
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of our own, and we can do and see what
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we can and say the laboratory setting with psychokinesis and
538
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telepathy and things, that they could be so advanced with
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their consciousness, the way they could manipulate consciousness that they
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could easily interact with us in a way that would
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be as easily as we can slice through butter with
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a kitchen knife, soft butter.
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Now that also could go with the quantum physics technology
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the right, you know, quantum physics and the things that
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can happen because that they would have already been so
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far advanced just in quantum physics alone without some sort
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of time travel machine, but using the mathematical principles of
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quantum physics to discover how to move through time.
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Yeah, quantum physics would be really a part of the
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whole parapsychological thing. I think it all would go hand
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in hand. I think that's what Dean Radden would be
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would be saying, And you know, there's no telling for us.
553
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Look at how much science has advanced in the last
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few decades and medicine and technology, and it's hard for
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us to imagine just one hundred years from now, what if,
556
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you know, as long as we continue to survive, that
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what we might find ourselves developing.
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So so in the year twenty five twenty five, is
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man still alive? Yeah? Yeah, that's Can woman still survive? Yeah? Okay,
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shall we do karaoke now our hang limp at our side?
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Yes?
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Yes, I mean, you know, yeah, it's it's possible. But
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you know, when I had edgar Mitchell on the on
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on this show, you know, he told me that there's
565
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all sorts of things that happened on the way to
566
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the Moon and they could not reveal those what they
567
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saw and what they experienced, such as is one with
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the Universe feeling that he had and various UFO sightings.
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But he said he couldn't they couldn't say anything because
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they would have been kicked out of the program. So
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I asked him, I said, you're coming out, and you know,
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in the last years of his life, he's coming out
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and tell him what he knew. And and I asked
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him what he said, would NASA ever take you out
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or anybody in the program that started to say, what
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they're any you know that were in the astronaut program,
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would would they wax them? Would they take them out?
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He said, well, right now, I'm too old, you know.
579
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Uh and Cantankere is to be taken out. But then
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he died.
581
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Just saying man, well, uh okay, I you know he
582
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he did live to be a pretty pretty ripe old age.
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And I think he was, you know.
584
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But now, there there are some people in the paranol
585
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.719
field I think did die some kind of unusual deaths,
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00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.480
like Pat Price and the remote viewer. And I know
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00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.239
there was a parapsychologist who work at Kent State that
588
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was kind of suspicious too. So you do wonder you
589
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.159
you always lacked that definitive proof, but I anyway, yeah.
590
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.039
Well then then that that goes to a whole case.
591
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.719
Where is the definitive proof? Uh? Now, when I had Jesse,
592
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uh is it Martel from uh Roswell? What is is
593
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it Martel? The name is Casey Jesse Martin.
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Yeh, Jesse. I think Jesse Jesse Martell sounds right. But yeah, okay,
595
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.800
well you know what I'm talking about. Well, I had
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a son on the program, and he said that his
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dad brought him, brought objects. They had physical objects there.
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And of course Jesse this is leave the last name
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out of it. He was the guy that we were
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talking about in the picture that you talk about, the
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Roswell newspaper that said and he was standing in front
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of that with parent bloom down.
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The weather balloon. But that didn't come out until after
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the military began to deny that there was a craft there,
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even though there was a report, even a radio reports,
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and they're taking bodies over there to write Patterson, you know,
607
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so that goes the whole lion cover up. So somebody
608
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.800
asked earlier, you know, was at the first revelation of
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the government to tell us about the existence of demons
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and or possible Bible connection of demons. But it is
611
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.519
also the start of disinformation. How they will reverse what
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they said when they get caught and they come up
613
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.960
with a story. But that now that has translated all
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the way to the day and almost everything that we
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see and here we know we I've told the previous
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guests to say, when you hear report, think the opposite,
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because whatever the report is, the truth is probably one
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hundred and eighty degrees. That's where you start and work
619
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your way back to what they said. Don't belie leave
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00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.719
what they said because the government is the master of
621
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.639
disinformation and shake and bake.
622
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Well you follow just have kind of been pretty you know,
623
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.559
pretty good at censoring their own material too over the years.
624
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.719
But no doubt in the beginning. You know, we had
625
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:24.440
the Robinson panel report in nineteen fifty three, and they
626
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.000
were certainly a little shaken up, I think by the
627
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DC events in July nineteen fifty two with all the sudings,
628
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.800
the radar tracking of UFOs, and they knew something was
629
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.400
being seen, but they just didn't know what it was.
630
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And I don't know about all the many crashed saucer
631
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:46.159
reports that others like Lynn Strinfield came to document.
632
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:48.280
All we have to.
633
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.519
Really work with ourselves is the experiences the witnesses and
634
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:56.079
trying to track their information.
635
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.039
By the way, one of our viewers said, Marcel, that
636
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was the name we were talking for, Jesse Marcel Okay,
637
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:04.400
so that was Mexico, and explained, thank you for that.
638
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He was actually a guest on the program and he's
639
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.880
been a faithful viewer ever since. Even before that. I
640
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.039
suppose all right, Roy Sanchez from the YouTube, what do
641
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.280
you think about the blue light that was over in
642
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.800
New York and covered the entire sky over there?
643
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.599
Oh yeah, yeah a few weeks ago, and it was
644
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supposed to have been I think the electric company said
645
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:23.079
it was.
646
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.880
Yeah, yeah, transformer just blew up and the whole the
647
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whole Eastern Seaboard just glowed because of that.
648
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:37.280
Yeah yeah, uh so, you know, we have anomalous sky
649
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.039
phenomena all the time.
650
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They said that's what it was. I don't know, but anyway,
651
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.840
somebody suggested that the Space shuttlest from YouTube chap may
652
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.760
have been We wanted to say the Space Shuttle exploding
653
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when landing was fake. No, I don't know about that one.
654
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When I know about it is one of blew up
655
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.400
in the sky. Was there was there a shuttle that
656
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blew up on landing?
657
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That's the only one I'm remembering, is the one, you
658
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know when they took off and had that school teacher
659
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from New Hampshire board.
660
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Yeah, that's the only one I know about. Maybe there's
661
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.239
another one out there. What do you think about h
662
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:24.800
M K Jessup or MK Ultra. I guess.
663
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Oh, well, yeah, that's another one, Gray Barker wrote quite
664
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a bit about he was you know, there's uh he
665
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committed suicide. Wait wait wait wait wait wait m K
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Jessup k Jessop. Okay, I'm getting him mixed up with
667
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an author. Uh, I'm just getting mixed up period. So hey, yeah,
668
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.800
he was the one that and then and then I
669
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.239
made a show out of it the Philadelphia Experiment, okay
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00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.599
from nineteen forty three, and the whole story there about
671
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the that this m J M J M K Jessip Yeah,
672
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said that he was one of the the people on
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board the ship.
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And there was.
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Brad Steiger I think was one of the early writers
676
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back in the sixties who covered story on that. And
677
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then there was someone who was a researcher who claimed
678
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that he suddenly had flashbacks. But the problem was the
679
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you know he was, it was his age was not
680
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old enough to have you know, been actually there. I
681
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don't think what was his name. Anyway, he he went
682
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from being a researcher and suddenly someone was having flashbacks,
683
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and then some other people had flashbacks and Morris Morris
684
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k Jessup, Yeah, well Morris k Jessup was that not
685
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the man who who actually initially said that he was
686
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part of the Philadelphia Philadelphia experiment.
687
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That's a whole other category to talk about the Philadelphia experiment,
688
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.039
But that also goes to the possibility of time travel there.
689
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.599
But you know, I asked you earlier, Brent, about technology
690
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being traded for as some claim for the ability to
691
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abduct an experiment on people. And our technology does seem
692
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to be rapidly escalating. Are we just just doubling? Like
693
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was that wherever that law is that says we're going
694
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to double every year or two? Or is are we
695
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getting help? Let me ask you, let me ask you
696
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.000
a larger question on that. Everyone has the cell phone,
697
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.840
so we're all being tracked and we all know it.
698
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And then is the technology that we have been programmed
699
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to like and are now addicted to. Wouldn't that be
700
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a convenient tool for the controllers? Perhaps the Mothership wants
701
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to control the entire population and they use it through
702
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some technology it's already built into our cell phones. Okay, well, yeah,
703
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it would.
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It's certainly whether it's the Mothership or the Central Intelligence
705
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.960
Agency or FBI, was a good way to.
706
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.679
Good way to track us when they Yeah, it could
707
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be Robert Muller in there, who knows. Yeah, and I'll
708
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.280
just call the Hillary Hillary people and they'll destroy our
709
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cell phones forced and we'll have to worry about it. Alright. Yeah,
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I have this odd way of incorporating political figures. I
711
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.119
dislike it to interview, but you gotta do. You gotta
712
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.159
deal with me, man. You know, this is this is,
713
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this is what I do. All right.
714
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.360
Well, if we could just you know, stay away from
715
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the same news. Okay, let's stay wait for fake news. Okay,
716
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.000
well in non fake news. Some people claim to have
717
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outer body experiences. Now, are these experience you think the
718
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alien abductions? Not necessarily they may they were a lot
719
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of times they're incorporated in the contact experience, but they're
720
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not necessarily always alien inductions. They can be part of
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the near death experience, or people just having an involuntary
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out of body experience, or perhaps they perhaps they're going
723
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through exercises to try to induce the experience in themselves,
724
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.320
as some people like Robert Monroe created the Monroe Institute,
725
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.480
you know, using bineural beats to induce a state of
726
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.239
consciousness where they could do this sort of thing.
727
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.920
All right, so we've got guess sixty seven. What about
728
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.599
your study on UFO experiences. Now, that's kind of an
729
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.679
interesting term. I don't really see that when I'm looking
730
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.400
around UFO stuff. Experiencers start with the definition of that,
731
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:05.480
and then what about your study.
732
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.960
Well, it's an experiencer, and I'm particularly interested in the
733
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.760
contact experiencer. You know, it's someone who has recurrent experiences
734
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:23.360
with their believer are alien beings. And you know, initially
735
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.159
in the UFO field, the Air Force, if they got
736
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:33.199
a report of someone seeing a say they were seeing
737
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.880
things more than once, it was the kiss of death.
738
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.360
Immediately with doctor j. Allen Heineck, their civilian astronomical consultant.
739
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.400
If you saw I had more than one experience seeing
740
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.599
a UFO, it was assumed you were probably seeing a
741
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.599
temperature inversion of venus and conventional things aircraft and stuff,
742
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.760
and you know, and then of course if you said
743
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.840
you saw a UFO landed being good out. Even among
744
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.760
civilian ufologist up into the sixties and seventies, it was
745
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.920
dismissed as being psychological or a hoax. Even you know,
746
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.639
the Nightcap was definitely opposed to it because they were
747
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.280
trying to prevent a resurgence of the contacting phenomena like
748
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.519
George Damski, which Major Keyhole was very much against. And
749
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.840
so he wanted just to have a congressional hearing and
750
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.800
expose the Air Force for their cover ups. And so
751
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.559
he cherry picked only the evidence that supported that, and
752
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.920
the Air Force did the same. If it was, you know,
753
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.760
if they were given any credibility to anything at all,
754
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.480
it was going to be someone who had had that
755
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.719
once in a lifetime experience, not as a continuous experiencer.
756
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:45.920
But then in eighty seven when Whittley Strieber and Bud
757
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.320
Hopkins pretty much made a case with their books you know,
758
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.800
Intruders and Communion, that there was more to it that
759
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.039
some of the you know, repeat experiences were actually it
760
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.920
was part of the whole syndrome of their experience. It
761
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.199
was they from childhood, a lot of them on into adulthood,
762
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:09.639
were having recurrent anomalists encounters. So and it was again
763
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.039
and again revealed that they also had you know, this
764
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:17.599
telepathic communication, out of body experiences, a whole slew of
765
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.920
paranormal elements that seemed to be a part of the uh,
766
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:26.320
you know, after their encounters close encounters encounters with beings,
767
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:31.440
they would report that they were suddenly having an upswing
768
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.280
in their you know, psychic awareness. If they didn't have
769
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.079
it before, they suddenly had it after the encounter, or
770
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.360
it increased after the encounter. Some people reported from childhood
771
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.239
on they had everything from ghosts to aliens, you know,
772
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:48.960
interrupting their lives.
773
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.679
Brent, I saw a question comes earlier, have you seen
774
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.119
UFO yourself.
775
00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:03.960
Lights in the sky and nothing myself that I've had
776
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:10.679
some kind of paranormal type experiences like what well EVPs,
777
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:16.920
and also one time in nineteen seventy five of what
778
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:18.559
I was kind of like an out of the body
779
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.719
experience where I was actually going through a kind of
780
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.440
a religious crisis at the time and trying to figure
781
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.679
out how UFOs, what the explanation was. There were some
782
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.039
people saying they were demonic and all, and I wanted
783
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.119
to see if I prayed about it, you know, if
784
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.880
everybody had an opinion, you know, everybody like Buttholes has
785
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.840
an opinion. So I wanted to see if I could
786
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.000
have an experience, but God Creator could show me something.
787
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.119
And I had an experience where about two days into
788
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.760
this wasn't even thinking about the time, but I had
789
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:01.719
just crawled into bed, and it was suddenly like I
790
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.440
was back on my feet, walking toward the bedroom door
791
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.760
that goes out in the hallway. Now my mother was
792
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.599
already in bed, my father was getting ready to go
793
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.719
to bed. He was in the bathroom, door closed, and
794
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.039
the hall light was on, and my room. I just
795
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.719
crawled into bed and the light was off. But I
796
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.440
went about halfway across the bedroom floor and I stopped.
797
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.760
And this is that thing where you're not thinking like
798
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.679
you normally would. I felt like I was fully conscious,
799
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.280
but at the same time, I had this impression that
800
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.079
someone was standing behind me and suddenly was preventing me
801
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:41.760
from moving forward anymore. And my attention was so solely focused.
802
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.719
I just kept staring at the open doorway and out
803
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.199
in the hall where all these suddenly these little balls
804
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:52.639
of glowing, translucent, pulsating white balls of light looked like
805
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.639
hunters of them just swirling around, and they came down
806
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:57.840
close to the floor, and then they just seemed to
807
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.239
be clustering there. And I had, for a moment as
808
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:03.920
I saw it, I thought it was like forming a
809
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.920
small four legged image of a four legged animal. And
810
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.719
then I was suddenly back in bed and I was
811
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.440
looking up at the ceiling, and then my father came
812
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.079
out of the bathroom, went downstairs to the kitchen, and
813
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.519
I followed him down and I told him what happened,
814
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:22.119
and of course he said, well, that was quite a dream.
815
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.440
And I said, well, I just crawled into bed. I didn't,
816
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.000
you know, it just happened like that, you know, But
817
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.840
I've always kind of wondered about that. That kind of fit,
818
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.079
you know, some of the.
819
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:41.199
Kind of things that we investigated a religious crisis, say you.
820
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:45.079
Oh, well, yeah, it was, you know, I at that time,
821
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.559
it was nineteen seventy five, and I was a young man,
822
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.840
about twenty three, and I was reading some books at
823
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.199
the time that were talking about by Christian authors who
824
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.599
were saying UFOs were demonic, and I, you know, accepted
825
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.519
Christ in May of nineteen seventy five. And then I
826
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.559
traveled across country from Maine to Florida and went around
827
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.280
interviewing a lot of experiences, and I got to thinking, well,
828
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.280
they don't doesn't seem to be anything really demonic going
829
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.159
on here. So then I got back to Maine and
830
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:25.000
I got back to my Christian friends, and you know,
831
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.480
there was a lot of opinions about you know, I
832
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:33.239
was being taken in. I was also you know, i'd
833
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:35.719
accepted Christ at that point, but something I was being told,
834
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.960
have you been baptized? And I said, oh, do I
835
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.039
need to be baptized to be saved? Well, you know,
836
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.159
you just to be on the safe side. And then
837
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.199
someone else told me I need to be baptized in
838
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.159
the spirit and speaking tongues, and so I said, oh,
839
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:53.239
wait a minute, you know, so I maybe maybe the Creator,
840
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.960
maybe God could just show me what I need to do,
841
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.480
what I need to see and how I can process
842
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.119
this and from better and and it was, you know,
843
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:04.679
so I just kind of let go of it all.
844
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:09.000
And as I say, the second day, I wasn't even thinking, uh,
845
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.599
you know about it, and I had this spontaneous experience.
846
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.280
Okay, all right, We've got a number of questions to
847
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.840
come in for you, and let's get to a few
848
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:27.000
of them real quick. Let's get this question right here.
849
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:32.400
Do most contact these or abductees have RH negative blood.
850
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:38.280
That's that's something that I you know, because you know,
851
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.280
there's been a lot of talk about the star people
852
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:46.400
and all and their RH negative predominance, and it's an
853
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.280
interesting subject. But I know that in the free survey
854
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.440
that they didn't find it any you know, among all
855
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:58.280
those thousands of experiences, several thousands that the it it
856
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.079
came up just with a normal range would be you know,
857
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.280
it wasn't any abnormally high number.
858
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:05.719
And my own.
859
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.719
Less you know, extensive survey, but you know, I had
860
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.920
interviewed and surveyed about I guess about one hundred people
861
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.519
on that particular area, and I didn't find it going
862
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:22.199
above the normal range that you'd find in a population survey.
863
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.239
Is there any connection between Indian mounds and UFOs, Well,
864
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.599
that's an interesting subject.
865
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:35.400
I know that Keel, John Keel had thought that there was,
866
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.519
and I know that some sites where there were mounds
867
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.880
where people had reported quite a bit of activity. But
868
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.960
by the same token, I've been in touch with a
869
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:51.159
herk A hackem Blancabs over in Sweden who's been involved
870
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.840
in the investigation of UFOs over there for years. They
871
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.199
have a lot of mounds over in Sweden, very much
872
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.159
like our own, and he said he only knew of
873
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.679
one case over there in Sweden where they they had
874
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.719
found that correlation. But I do think that it's interesting
875
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.440
some of the experiences who are shamans or who are
876
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:15.159
medicine men who have had, you know, experiences with the
877
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.599
sky people or the star people, and similar to what
878
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:24.559
you know our own UFO contact experiences described and I've
879
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.280
met a number of them, and quite interesting we actually.
880
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.719
Had during your conversation there, one of the viewers wrote in,
881
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.840
said Brant, his name Doug, I was taken to a
882
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.960
hospital with a tall great aliens and Air Force military
883
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:45.360
doctors by light abduction. Would that would he be considered
884
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:46.320
an experiencer?
885
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.719
Well, you know, on the face of it, yeah, I mean,
886
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:57.920
you know he's describing a some sort of a being
887
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:03.559
that is an alien him and being, you know, taken
888
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.079
to a hospital. Maybe that's a screen memory.
889
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.599
I don't know. Did your research and I understand that
890
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.400
you may a lot of people you mentioned, I think
891
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.119
even Betty Hill and various others that you personally have
892
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.960
either met or talked to. Has any of those contacts
893
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:29.880
and all your research confirmed or sort of brought more
894
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.800
questions to your mind as to whether or not there
895
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:36.760
is a God, or that religious religion in general is
896
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.559
not accurate, not a real thing, or should be doubted.
897
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.920
Has it strengthened your faith or sort of moved your
898
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.079
faith sort of in another direction.
899
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.159
Well, I guess it's moved, it shifted around, stirred it
900
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.199
up a little. But I still believe that there is
901
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:05.880
personally a divine creator, a source or whatever. I I
902
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.880
think we have many names for it. And uh and
903
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.039
so I you know, I try not to be dogmatic
904
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.320
on the subject, you know, And and I try to
905
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.559
respect everyone else's face and beliefs.
906
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.880
Okay, uh over Bill Automotive from a YouTube chat. Have
907
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.639
you heard of the soul catcher chip? It's a chip
908
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.320
that's implanted in your optic.
909
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:38.440
Hmm, soul catcher chip in the optic? Wow, No, no,
910
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.840
I haven't. Uh.
911
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.920
Let me ask you though, if if there are aliens
912
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:49.000
out there, Uh, why why is there such mystery about it?
913
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.519
Why don't they just come out and tell us who
914
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:53.880
they are?
915
00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.519
Well, that's another thing. There's a lot of speculation on.
916
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.840
You know, people want to know, why don't they just
917
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:03.679
land on the White House lawn?
918
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.679
Or well, if you if you were if you were
919
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:11.360
a tall gray Brent, what would you do? Well?
920
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:15.559
Yeah, we've had people who shoot at him, you know,
921
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.960
like in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, back in nineteen fifty five and.
922
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.280
They hit John. Are they they hit?
923
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:26.559
Yeah, they but they didn't seem to hurt the little
924
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.800
little men that they had encountered. They would just pick
925
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.320
themselves up and walk away or fly away.
926
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:39.920
They levitated. So so I don't know, it's it's it's
927
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:40.960
a good question here.
928
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:44.199
You know, they seem to interact with us, some people
929
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.280
more than others. They seem to you know some maybe
930
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.519
some people genetic makeup or something.
931
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:56.440
Are they what are they looking for? Conjecture? But you
932
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:57.239
know what the heck?
933
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.079
Yeah, well we used to think they were you know,
934
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.559
they were looking for minerals and uh, maybe doing genetic studies.
935
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.280
Maybe they we needed our One of the popular theories
936
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:13.480
now is that they they're having problems with reproduction and
937
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:17.039
so they you know, so they're looking for a date. Yeah,
938
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.199
well they're looking to first of all, to.
939
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.719
Tell them, okay, if you're if you're a gray type alien,
940
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:26.320
you know, you're gonna have to put some better clothes on. Man.
941
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.039
Most of the most times you see in their naked,
942
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:32.320
so you know, man, you know, maybe bring some flowers
943
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.840
or something. They're just going to the whole wrong approach there.
944
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.719
Well, I do think that they there's quite a few
945
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.280
of them that have been seen wearing clothes. Maybe they're
946
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:44.679
getting a little more self conscious and aware since they've
947
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:49.119
been interacting with us and kind of know our expectations
948
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:55.679
and all. But you know, if we're again, if we're
949
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.280
dealing with some sort of advanced to us intelligen that
950
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:07.599
we don't understand, Uh, perhaps they're simply they adapt their appearances,
951
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.960
their displays, how they approach us in ways that we
952
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.360
can kind of wrap our minds around where we can
953
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.159
kind of say, okay, I I you know, it's in
954
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.840
a framework that we we can understand or think that
955
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:29.960
we understand, makes makes us feel comfortable in and and so.
956
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:32.199
You know, they.
957
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.960
Whatever they are, they don't seem to really want to
958
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.679
come right out in the open and and do that
959
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:40.719
White House lending.
960
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.039
Uh. I mean it's clear they would have done it.
961
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.280
I mean, are are they shy or I don't even
962
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:48.719
know what the deal is there? Somebody Chris Wilson asked
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this question, are aliens in any way connected to the
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deep State?
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M Well, you know, I think the I think the
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deep state is certain elements. They're interested in it for
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01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:06.760
various reasons. They want to know more they want to
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01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:12.800
understand it. They don't want to probably come right out
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01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.920
and say too much because if they don't really have
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01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.559
a handle on the situation, they don't really have a
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01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.920
better understanding than we do, buy and lodge, then then
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that would be a hell of a thing to say
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very much about.
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You know, something speculated brand that. You know, when you
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look at globalization, the effort for countries to eliminate borders
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so that the Earth becomes sort of one giant group.
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I mentioned the cell phones. I mean, even even the
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immigrants coming from South America, thousands of miles away, they
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01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.199
I mean, they're all come up here though, fat, sassy
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01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:47.960
and happy with cell phones. Man, I'm thinking, dude, I
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01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.920
think he's dirt poor. And who's paying your cell phone bill?
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Nobody knows. Perhaps the real aliens are sort of paying
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them to get addicted to phones and make sure there's
984
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.760
phone their hands to the control. But it just teams
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01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:03.599
as a larger globalization that would be sort of their
986
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.679
agenda in order to take us over. Seemed like we
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01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.840
had all these fighting countries, you know, it would be
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01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:12.760
harder for the mothership, you know, the alien hordes to
989
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:14.800
take over. But if we were all sort of one
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01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.280
global family type of thing. They could control us a
991
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.239
whole lot better. What do you think about that?
992
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.199
Well, I just think you know, as far back, you know,
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01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.960
when we look at the historical global picture, we know
994
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:33.320
we've had UFO type manifestations and appearances going back as
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01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:37.320
far as our remembrance or history can take us. They're
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01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.719
part of ancient records, miss legends, the Bible, you know,
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01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:48.519
Ezekiel's wheel within a wheel, and there's all these stories
998
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.960
that are out there that are very very similar, you know.
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01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.119
And and so if they wanted to really just outright
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01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:58.320
take us over, I think they could have done it
1001
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.719
long ago. We'd already be an alien nation, you know,
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01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:04.320
alien nation.
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01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.400
Well, I think we kind of are. But Peter from
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01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:10.360
Australia asked this question, is there any where a person
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01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.760
can see what an actual alien implant looks like? Now?
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01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:19.519
I think doctor Roger Lear claimed he removed seventeen of
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01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:21.519
these objects. I don't know who's got him. Did the
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01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:26.119
government come in and take them? Who knows? Yeah, there
1009
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.800
is there are.
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01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:33.719
Let's see some couple of people who have continued to
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01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.079
follow up who knew doctor Lear?
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01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:37.840
And one is.
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01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:44.800
In fact a researcher out out in California who continues.
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01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.960
I just did an interview with him a few months ago,
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01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:50.400
and he had an implan. He said it was of
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01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.039
a rare meteorite type thing, but yet when they took
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01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.800
it out, it had it was some sort of radio
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01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.880
frequency coming from and so he's still studying that.
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01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:00.960
He's also.
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01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:07.920
Going around and investigating other people who may have implants
1021
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.039
at this time. And then there's an investigator out in
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01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:18.280
Texas who is part of a UFO TV show at
1023
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:22.599
this time, I can't remember what his name is. You
1024
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.199
may know he's been around the field for quite an
1025
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.280
over years. He's supposed to have been I think with
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01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:32.719
the FBI in the past, law enforcement, and he worked
1027
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:37.679
with doctor Roger Lere. So maybe maybe you know, this
1028
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:42.480
is something we really need to understand better and get
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01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.000
into some peer review journals and stuff, you know, and
1030
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:49.960
get this documented well, because some people have reported some
1031
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:52.039
pretty interesting things with this.
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01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:57.440
We missed. Just a minute ago, you said there's some
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01:04:57.519 --> 01:04:59.599
kind of could possibly be and I've heard it missed
1034
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.400
any time. Tis some sort of reproduction issue with the aliens,
1035
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.440
and certainly we always sort of refer to them as
1036
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:12.159
you know, frustrated male type aliens. But Joey out of
1037
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:16.199
the YouTube says, why do we always consider aliens sort
1038
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.440
of a male frustrated figure. Why couldn't they be female?
1039
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.000
Why is there always this male association?
1040
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.760
Well, you know, the first first case was investigated by APRO,
1041
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.400
the Aero phenomena search organization that had people done in
1042
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.960
South America, and they had a doctor in Rio de Janeiro,
1043
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.400
Oliver Fontes back in nineteen fifty seven, who investigated a farmer,
1044
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.199
a young farmer who was out plowing at night because
1045
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.400
it was so hot during the day, and he saw
1046
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.599
a craft came down and these male beings and suits
1047
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:54.719
came out to his tractor as tractor died, and they
1048
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.599
pulled him off the tractor and carried him aboard this
1049
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:03.280
flying saucer and they took his clothes off and scrubbed
1050
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.800
him down, and I think they gave him something to drink,
1051
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.920
and apparently they did something that aroused him.
1052
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:10.679
And then this.
1053
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:18.039
Naked female woman with kind of think reddish hair, kind
1054
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:23.519
of petitue and uh, and she they made love twice.
1055
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.840
He said she growled. It was a little different, but
1056
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:29.360
he said it was still pretty good.
1057
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.599
And the bubble man. Okay, so he was aroused there.
1058
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.840
Everybody's aroused here about getting it on right why?
1059
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:41.880
And then late later on he uh he became a lawyer,
1060
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:46.039
prominent lawyer in Brazil, and toward the end of his
1061
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.800
life he went back. He went on television and uh
1062
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:52.480
retold his story and said, you know, every word of
1063
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.880
it was true, and he repeated the story again on
1064
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:56.480
on on television.
1065
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:02.480
So, now is that there's somewhere in ufol research I saw?
1066
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:05.360
Is there is there a Maybe it's this guy here.
1067
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.920
Somebody draws pictures and he draws these graphic pictures of
1068
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:12.360
aliens having sex or something. I don't know. He's trying
1069
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.199
to make money off I don't know. But anyway, here's
1070
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:18.440
another question for you. Are, in your opinion generally, are
1071
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:27.280
aliens demonic in nature, extraterrestrial or interdimensional? Well? You know
1072
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:33.960
they're are all three that make everyby happy, wouldn't it. Yeah?
1073
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.960
Yeah, they could be altraterrestrial, They could be extraterrestrial.
1074
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.079
You know, you could.
1075
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:40.519
I think a lot of the phenomena is not just
1076
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:42.079
you know, because we have so much confusion.
1077
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:47.400
Come, how about this one metro terrestrial? Metro? Yeah?
1078
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:51.960
All right, Okay, okay, Dan right here, that might work. Uh,
1079
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:56.039
you know you have so many everybody's looking for the
1080
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.280
theory of everything, but it just doesn't seem to spread
1081
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.480
stats to get in a little thin and uh, it's
1082
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:02.320
quite a mess.
1083
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:02.559
Uh.
1084
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.960
You got people who are just strictly nuts and bolts,
1085
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.320
and then people like me that come along want to
1086
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:12.000
talk about paranormal stuff, and it's, uh, everybody kind of
1087
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.119
stubs their toe on it.
1088
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.199
You know. It's so in the UFO. If you are
1089
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.640
at a UFO seminar, and I think we have a
1090
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:18.159
link to one of one of the you appeared in.
1091
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:22.039
Are you the weird guy with the paranormal connection? Are
1092
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.640
you always the weird guy? Well, you know I.
1093
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.640
Think I am, because you know, when I was up talking,
1094
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.319
I remember staying Stanton Friedman in the audience and he
1095
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.520
uh looked at this woman next to him and shook
1096
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:31.880
his head.
1097
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.600
No, So yeah he did. He was on the show.
1098
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.000
He didn't seem to be that. He didn't seem to
1099
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.720
like my sort of humor either, But no, you're not
1100
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:45.199
coming from a humor standpoint, you guys. Look, man, you
1101
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:50.279
got you got out of brought Experiences, psychic manifest stations,
1102
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:55.319
Polder guys activity. Uh, you know around UFO activity. So
1103
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:57.039
I you know, I don't know why you don't have
1104
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.439
a prominent place at the UFO discussion table.
1105
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.479
Well, I will be at the UH in August August
1106
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:10.159
eighteenth of this year. I'll be in Knoxville at the
1107
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:14.279
Alien Expo, which I didn't know anything about until I
1108
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.319
found out from Ray hern Endez a free and he
1109
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.039
he contacted the UH, the organizer, and I got in.
1110
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.600
So are you just going to get a change? Are
1111
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.000
you going to get a free UFO keychain? I don't
1112
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.520
know who's giving those out. Maybe where you're going and
1113
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.119
who knows they're giving it out? Hey?
1114
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:34.439
Uh?
1115
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:39.520
Did you This is so somebody wrote in and said,
1116
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.159
were you accused of actually being a man in black
1117
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:49.119
in the seventies. Oh well, let's see somebody knows you, man,
1118
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:52.159
somebody I here knows you, Brent, Okay, so give it up.
1119
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.880
This is this is what happened, not really a man
1120
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:59.760
in black, But you know, these things happen when you've
1121
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.199
been in the feel long enough. I would send Florida
1122
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:10.600
and I was talking with this woman about well she.
1123
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:13.000
She wanted to talk about UFOs. We got together and
1124
01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:15.560
I'm in her house and she runs to the bathroom
1125
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.760
and I'm looking out this back window and I see
1126
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:21.880
a car driving forward a little and it stops and
1127
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:23.960
then drives forward a little more and stops, and it's
1128
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.079
just very vicute. Looks like they're having some kind of
1129
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:29.439
car trouble. That's all I'm thinking about. And she comes
1130
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:31.800
out of the bathroom and I says, man, I'm look
1131
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.880
at that car out there. Now, watch it. It's going
1132
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.239
to drive forward a little and stop and drive for
1133
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.880
and stop. Well I find out later, you know, I'm
1134
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:41.479
thinking she you know, she's just going to be curious
1135
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:44.119
and wonder why they're doing that. Well, later on, this
1136
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.560
guy tells me, Brent, did you tell this woman, because
1137
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.159
he knew her too, that what this car was going
1138
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.039
to do? And I said, yeah, was doing some you know,
1139
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.279
looked like they were having some kind of car troll.
1140
01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.079
So I just pointed it out to her and says, well,
1141
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.079
you told what I was going to do, and it
1142
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:03.399
did it. And she asked me, do you think Brentson alien?
1143
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:05.960
You know?
1144
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:12.680
And I also was back in back in seventy five
1145
01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:14.960
seventy six, when I was traveling around so much and
1146
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:21.640
interviewing people. There was one place up Inkyohoga Falls, Ohio,
1147
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.880
outside of Akron. There was a Madeline Tegel who used
1148
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:26.920
to have all sorts of people on weekends at their
1149
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:31.600
home skywatching, meditation, and a lot of them were experiences,
1150
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.159
you know, they had stories to tell. So I'd show up,
1151
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.399
you know, and in my green hornet that had a
1152
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:43.479
green interior, green exterior, and pretty soon they would beginning.
1153
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.800
I started talking, you know, I'd just show up and
1154
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.840
be talking with people. And Madeline says to me one day, says, Brent,
1155
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.560
some of the people think that you're maybe with the
1156
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.479
army intelligence or something, that you're gathering intel for them.
1157
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:00.800
She said, it's fine with me if you are. I
1158
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:06.520
like you anyway, but you know, and I says, no,
1159
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:11.000
I'm I'm uh, I'm not with intel. This is you know,
1160
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.600
I'm I'm just bringing this out of my own interests.
1161
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:15.880
And then one time I was in Alabama and I
1162
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:20.560
went to UH. I heard the police at this at
1163
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:23.199
this police station in one night scene at UFO recently,
1164
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.399
so I wanted to get some information. So I made
1165
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.920
up these forms for him to fill out. Had these
1166
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.680
uh everybody.
1167
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.600
At ink pen and it was right at shift change,
1168
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.279
and the.
1169
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:36.479
Lady had these people, these police officers, all filling out
1170
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:39.800
the forums for me. But is this really a cooperative bunch?
1171
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.039
And then one guy gets done. He comes up to me.
1172
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:46.720
He says, uh, okay, boy, you boys work fast. Which
1173
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:47.600
branch are you with?
1174
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.399
And I say that are you have the opportunity to
1175
01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:53.319
come clean right now?
1176
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:58.159
So I said, I'm just, uh, you know, this is
1177
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.039
just my own interest. I'm not you know, there's no
1178
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.199
fancy letterheads, CIA or anything at the top of that form.
1179
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.960
I'm just curious about these things and gathering whatever information
1180
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:09.399
I can.
1181
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:10.800
Thank you for your time.
1182
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:16.079
And one officer pointed to the form and part on
1183
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:20.600
it that asked about paranormal experiences and said, you know
1184
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.239
more or less? What the hell is this? And I said, oh, well,
1185
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:26.840
I'm just checking checking anyway.
1186
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.279
That's hat. Let me ask you, though, Uh, cattle mutilations
1187
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.399
seemed to be down, I mean for almost like a
1188
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.439
cottage industry for a while. What happened to cattle mutilization? Man?
1189
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:42.800
I mean, are they done with them? They've done with
1190
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.319
the gonas, whatever they're doing with them. I don't know
1191
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:46.079
what what you know?
1192
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:47.880
I kind of wonder about some of the other phases
1193
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:51.520
we've been through, like angel hair and space grass. You
1194
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:54.000
know those aluminum things there that used to appear at
1195
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.680
UFO sites that were kind of similar to the chaff
1196
01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:58.960
that you know, the Air Force ared used for jam radars,
1197
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:03.159
but they would show up under trees and under power
1198
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.680
lines and on people's porches, you know, and they just
1199
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.359
they didn't look like a normal chaff drop. But uh,
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01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.319
a lot of that stuff just changes over time, and
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01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:12.000
I remember when.
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01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.159
But how can it though, Brent, that's the point. How
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01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.119
can it change if it's if it's a truism. I mean,
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01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:21.439
I mean, are they like just got done with the cows,
1205
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:23.840
got sick of them, got some kind of disease, mad
1206
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:25.880
cow disease or something in the mother shipe or what?
1207
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:29.399
Well, I know this this there's still some activity going on.
1208
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.079
I'm not sure you know. Of course, we've lost Tom
1209
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.319
Adams from Paris, Texas, who used to track that stuff
1210
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:38.840
in his magazine, uh, Stigmata for years and years and years.
1211
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.960
And now you've got Chris O'Brien, who, I think uh
1212
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:48.239
on Facebook tries to track that information. But I mean
1213
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:50.159
there's still occasional reports.
1214
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:50.720
But I'm like you.
1215
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:53.079
I don't don't hear that, you know that much like
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01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.439
we we used to do back in this you know,
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01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.399
late sixties and into the seventies.
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01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.079
Yeah, I guess, you know, I don't mind reading a
1219
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.399
story about a good old gonad snatching. But I'll tell you,
1220
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:06.479
you know, who knows what they're doing up there with that.
1221
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:10.479
But so, there's a lot of information about UFOs out there,
1222
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.399
and it just if you put it all together, it
1223
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:18.279
does sort of say the volume amount, the voumous amount
1224
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.680
of information on UFOs seemed like a lean's for the
1225
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:24.399
existence of them. So do you think that society has
1226
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.720
moved past the idea of are there UFOs? To there
1227
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.000
are UFOs? What are they doing here? Are we still
1228
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:32.800
fighting that battle? Do you find yourself engaged in that battle?
1229
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:33.840
So to speak?
1230
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.279
Well, you know, there's a there is a shift. I mean,
1231
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:42.880
there's so much and not just UFOs but paranormal and everything.
1232
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.680
I worked at a state prison for twenty eight and
1233
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.399
a half years, and I know when I first went
1234
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:52.399
there to work, I kept a real low profile on
1235
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:55.840
my interest, you know. But before I left, you know,
1236
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.279
the people who knew my interests suddenly they came to
1237
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.640
me with story. You know, I've got a house here
1238
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.279
that I've lived in that's haunted, you know, and uh,
1239
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.880
and they would want to know what the latest information is.
1240
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.439
And I saw this thing on TV about Roswelt or something,
1241
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:10.199
what do you think of it?
1242
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:11.880
And and uh.
1243
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.840
I ended up writing for the prison newspaper. Uh uh,
1244
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.119
you know, a thing on unexplained events before I left,
1245
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.119
And even for about a year two years after I
1246
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:26.880
was out, Uh, they still wanted me to submit articles
1247
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.000
for the prison paper, you know that came out once
1248
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:33.800
a month on UFOs and ghosts and whatnot. The staff
1249
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.680
was interested. So it's it's a it's quite a shift,
1250
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.600
you know, with I think beginning with X files and
1251
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.960
then all these uh well argills.
1252
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.640
Those those UFO movies, X files and all the others.
1253
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.720
The man I think, if you look at Netflix, we've
1254
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.319
got a billion alien UFO you know movies. Now, are
1255
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:55.319
those were those just made to prepare us? Are they
1256
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.560
just capitalizing on the sentiment of the public to make
1257
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:02.039
a few bucks or are they trying to acclimate us
1258
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:05.840
to the existence of aliens? Well, I don't know.
1259
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.399
I know that years ago there was I think the
1260
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:14.920
Air Force employed like Walt Disney's film industry to try
1261
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:20.479
to create UFO educational programs that I don't think they
1262
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:24.560
ever really got off the ground, but there was talk
1263
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.720
about close encounters of the third kind. Was you know,
1264
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:33.239
Steven Spielberg produced and you know doctor Heinek was a
1265
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:35.880
consultant for and that maybe that was to prepare us.
1266
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:40.199
But for the most part, I think most most of
1267
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:43.760
the productions out there are just people who think, you know,
1268
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:45.840
they're interested or they can make a little money at it,
1269
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:51.319
and they're not so much about necessarily trying to condition
1270
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.800
the public. They're just doing their thing.
1271
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:56.920
If you were to meet an alien, what would be
1272
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.199
the first question you would ask?
1273
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:08.720
Okay, why all the trickster elements, Why not just come
1274
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:10.960
right out and you know, who are you?
1275
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:18.680
Really? Can I touch you? Make sure you're you know,
1276
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:23.920
you're actually a physical being? You didn't mean inappropriately? Not inappropriately?
1277
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.159
No, no, no, I just want to make sure that
1278
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:29.600
they're not a projection of some kind of three dimensional
1279
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.560
sophisticated projection of you know, hologram or some kind of
1280
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:37.199
you know, delusional thing.
1281
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.720
So if they alien said take me through your leader
1282
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:42.479
you went in coke cocking, would you say, look, I'm
1283
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:43.960
tired of that kind of crap out top.
1284
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:46.239
Ah.
1285
01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.479
No, I don't think i'd uh, you know, I am,
1286
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.600
but I think i'd play along and see where this led,
1287
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:56.079
you know, because we you know, maybe be you know,
1288
01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:58.680
being humorous, you know, kind of like you and me here.
1289
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.680
I guess, you know, I think maybe the Aliens might
1290
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.600
have a little humor. I mean, they're they're interacting with us, right,
1291
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:07.239
so well, yeah, in that case there, I mean, they've
1292
01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:08.560
got to get some laughs, man. I mean, if you
1293
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:10.560
look now, this planel screwed up it is. I mean,
1294
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:16.439
the dude, you know, I mean there's a there's a
1295
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.239
lot of crap down here. So you know, I don't
1296
01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:19.720
even know why they want to come here, but maybe
1297
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.439
perhaps they want to wipe us out and take over
1298
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.319
our resources. Now that there's a rub right there, I
1299
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:25.920
ain't going for that.
1300
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:33.319
Well, well, okay, I go back to the you know,
1301
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:35.520
they've been here so long that if they really wanted to,
1302
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.960
you know, do anything major, they could have taken us
1303
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.840
before we'd got as advanced as we are and as
1304
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:45.159
advanced as we're headed. So where do where do you
1305
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.880
see the the UFO field in the next few years.
1306
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.800
Where's it heading to? You got any any viewing that,
1307
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:56.239
any feeling of that, where's it all heading to? M
1308
01:19:59.000 --> 01:19:59.760
That's a good question.
1309
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:00.159
I I.
1310
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.000
Hope that we'll see.
1311
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:11.279
More and more responsible investigative work and try to unravel
1312
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:13.119
this great.
1313
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:17.279
Puzzle of ours. It's it's.
1314
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.000
You know, it seems like it's conditioning us to to
1315
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:27.239
be more and more open to its existence and to
1316
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:31.000
the to the things that it can.
1317
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:32.880
Can do.
1318
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:40.680
And but how it's going to actually you know, benefit us,
1319
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.640
and how we are supposed to uh interact with it
1320
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:47.439
and what you know, what what's the purpose? What's the
1321
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.479
meaning behind it all? A lot of people, we have
1322
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:52.880
a lot of opinions, and they're they're often at odds,
1323
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:56.760
you know, so it's it's basically opinions and and nothing
1324
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:58.680
really concrete yet.
1325
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.560
Well that is kind of the case, you know. I
1326
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.760
was thinking, because you you're you're sort of and I've
1327
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:07.640
had a number as if you ever looked up the
1328
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:10.319
guests let's you see of UFO people on the program.
1329
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:11.880
I've discussed a few of them with you already, but
1330
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:21.000
yours is more of a connecting paranormal activity with UFO exists.
1331
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:23.359
And I was thinking uh and ghosts and that you know.
1332
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:27.359
Here in Indiana, in northern Indiana, not a couple of
1333
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:33.239
years ago, a house became extremely haunted and child services
1334
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:35.279
actually went there from I think of the South Bend.
1335
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.479
They went to this house and literally saw a kid
1336
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:41.479
walk up a walk up a wall backwards, and I
1337
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:44.399
was just wondering, is in a whole lot more activity
1338
01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:47.680
just like that? The cops car outside the radio started
1339
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:49.680
going crazy to see start going back and forth. This
1340
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:52.199
is what the cops said. And then somebody from a
1341
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:54.720
from a ghost hunter show bought that house. I think
1342
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:59.479
they may have ended up demolishing it. But is it
1343
01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:03.640
possible that there were already UFO activity in there and
1344
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:08.840
that where the UFO is changes the laws of physics,
1345
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:10.880
and that's why this kid was able to walk up
1346
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.640
the wall backwards and various things begin. Is that is
1347
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:15.199
that a connection that could be made, you think, a
1348
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:19.720
plausible connection. The laws the physics don't apply when there's
1349
01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:24.560
UFO activity in the area. And then sometimes the what
1350
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:28.920
we described as the UFOs maybe just another Maybe it's
1351
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:33.239
another effect, the side effect of something else. Maybe a
1352
01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.439
lot of these things are just displays there appearing a
1353
01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:38.720
frame of reference that we can kind of understand them.
1354
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:42.039
And and you'd almost think that with all the different
1355
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:44.640
opinions we have, maybe that kind of divides us. But
1356
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:48.079
I'm hoping that's not our purpose. It's just us, you know.
1357
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:55.640
But I mean, you know, I remember Keel writing in
1358
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:57.920
one of his early books, I think it was Strange
1359
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.520
Creatures from Time and Space, one of his first books
1360
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.600
on on on the UFO and cryptids and and the
1361
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:08.000
paranormal aspects, and he says, go st aliens, what's the difference?
1362
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:08.199
You know?
1363
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.520
And for him it was, uh, it's all very anomalous,
1364
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:14.119
and it's all uh seems to be in related. But
1365
01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:25.079
we we really only have just opinions and subjective ideas
1366
01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:28.159
and information. We don't really have anything concrete as to
1367
01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:30.520
what's causing what you know, what's behind it all.
1368
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.159
And all in all your studies in interaction, do you
1369
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:39.760
feel like you've grown in the knowledge of UFOs or
1370
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.239
aliens in general or are you just keep a massing
1371
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:47.199
information that's just random bits and it's not there's not
1372
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:50.800
building up to a cohesive storyline.
1373
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:56.920
Well, I know that with with my own interactions, like
1374
01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:59.840
with it I mentioned about EVPs of getting a number
1375
01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:04.960
of times John Keel because he had passed in July third,
1376
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:14.720
nineteen of two thousand and nine. But we had been
1377
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:20.760
getting myself and Brett Oldham, who introduced myself and some
1378
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.239
others to the ghost box, which I really I had
1379
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:27.920
tried to get EVPs other ways years previous and never
1380
01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.279
had much success.
1381
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:31.079
So I was kind of skeptical.
1382
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:36.119
But when we recorded and heard clearly voices like John
1383
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:40.319
Keel coming through, and particularly on the one year anniversary
1384
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:43.560
of his passing, we just happened to have a session scheduled.
1385
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:48.199
And you know, Brett is again one of these people
1386
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.720
who seems to have strong psychic abilities going back to
1387
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.039
childhood and had alien abduction experiences going back to you know,
1388
01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.199
about age five, and was still ongoing when I met him,
1389
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:05.840
and still ongoing today. And he uh we were I said, well,
1390
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:10.439
can I contact try contacting John Keel? And again this
1391
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:12.319
was the one year anniversary of his passing.
1392
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:13.159
Uh.
1393
01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:15.720
He had a big influence on me. I I used
1394
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:17.920
to correspond with him and talk with him on the phone,
1395
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:23.039
and at one point we had about three recorders running.
1396
01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:26.880
We had stereo speakers hooked up to this radio and asked,
1397
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:33.760
you know of the tech spirit Tech, which was somebody
1398
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:38.079
named Bishop, and asked, can you have yeah, can you
1399
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:38.840
have can.
1400
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.800
You have John Keel say his name?
1401
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.560
And within about two seconds a male voice said John
1402
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:49.680
Keel And so, uh you know we we continued and
1403
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:54.239
and uh asked because he was investigating the Mothman in
1404
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.319
his back in the sixties, and uh wrote the Mothman
1405
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:01.920
prophecies and investigated a lot of Bigfoot and such and
1406
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:06.920
uh he uh asked, So he asked him Brett did
1407
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:09.800
about what he thought about bigfoot because he himself had
1408
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:12.560
had an encounter with Bigfoot in Ohio back in the seventies.
1409
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:16.159
And a male voice, strong male voice, seemed to be
1410
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:20.880
maybe the same voice we heard before, said, uh, smuck bigfoot.
1411
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:26.119
See yeah, but it was definitely related to you the question.
1412
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:30.880
And and that could be a kindler, gentler word for
1413
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.600
something else. Yes, yes, actually that you don't even know.
1414
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:37.960
You don't know what aclivity is these.
1415
01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:44.199
Days, and Keel could actually be uh, you know, someone
1416
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:48.239
who might have said something like that, you know, once
1417
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:49.680
you got got maybe.
1418
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:53.600
Before all all right, last question for you came in here.
1419
01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:57.479
It says, uh, is any is remote viewing real? Is
1420
01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:58.840
hea any alien connection?
1421
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:03.680
Well, you know a lot of these things because we
1422
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.479
have people who just have this ability naturally. But in
1423
01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:11.640
the encounter experience, for some reason, this ability seems to
1424
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:14.520
increase a lot of times, and it also seems to
1425
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:18.079
focus in on people. Uh, you know, with the repeater element,
1426
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:21.960
the recurrent contact encounters that seem to just naturally have
1427
01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:28.119
the abilities. You know, like like Uri Galla keeps coming
1428
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.880
to mind, someone who had extraordinary abilities and early childhood
1429
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.359
had the encounter with the UFO with a beam that
1430
01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:39.439
knocked and knocked him down on the ground over in Israel.
1431
01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:48.439
And uh. Anyway, so so after that, what was the
1432
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:50.880
question again, Well, well it was about is there any
1433
01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.720
connection between remote viewing and aliens? I mean, perhaps they're
1434
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:57.000
doing it, maybe they're allowing a portal for a remote
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viewer to travel through.
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Okay, well, I know some experiences feel that the aliens
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actually taught them how to do remote viewing so they
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could maybe connect with them better. But you know, the
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remote viewing is like traveling clairvoyance. You know, you're we've
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we've called other things in the past. And Ingo Swan,
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working with the SRI back in the seven early seventies,
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came up with a remote viewing or somebody working with
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him did, and but I think Ingo Swan primarily had.
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The was the one that Tag and Horrari at Stanford
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University based their program on. Of course, we know the military,
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the CIA was quite interested in all that, and they
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had they were monitoring the situation, helping to pay for
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it because it would be a good espionage tool. But
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it was interesting. Jacques Vallet described to me. I met
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him back in two thousand and five at a conference
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and in Virginia, and he said that they called him
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as a consultant because so many of the you know,
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the remote viewers said that in their childhood they had
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encounters with UFOs or beings, you know, and they were
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quite similar, and they wanted to know. They wanted him
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to investigate, look into it and see what kind of
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conclusions he might might draw off. This was a common
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factor and what did it mean, you know, for people
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who had these these abilities.
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Well, Brent would come to the end of the broadcast,
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any any final statement you'd like to say, you go
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right ahead, Okay, Well, I want to thank you for
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you know, taking this time to talk with me and
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the viewer questions, and I'm sorry that I don't have
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anything solid, definitive. You know, I don't have the answer.
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I'm out there looking for it, but nobody does nobody,
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And I've been doing this program since two thousand and four,
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nobody really has. But you know again, I think just
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the adding your research to the body of evidence out
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there will help us all understand this whole thing just
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a little bit better. Britt Rays, appreciate you coming on
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a program. Can we have you on again sometime? All right? Sure?
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Sure, I've got a book coming out I hope in
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late April on John Keel and how he influenced people
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in the field and myself. And by the way, my magazine,
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Alternate Perceptions comes out online once a month ap magazine
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dot Info. Okay, all right, well, thank you very much,
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thank you, good you neat all right, we'll see la.
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Hi everybody, it's me Cinderella Acts. You are listening to
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the Fringe Radio Network. I know I was gonna tell them, hey,
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do you have the app? It's the best way to
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01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:12.680
listen to the Fringe Radio Network. It's safe and you
1483
01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.000
don't have to log in to use it, and it
1484
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.960
doesn't track you or trace you, and it sounds beautiful.
1485
01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:22.399
I know I was gonna tell him. How do you
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01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:27.119
get the app? Just go to fringeradionetwork dot com right
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01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:28.319
at the top of the page.
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01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:30.520
I know, slippers.
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01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:32.399
We gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.