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Returning to the Bruce Collins Show, our guest today is
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Jared Knott. Jared Knott is the author of Tiny Blunders,
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Big Disasters, Book Two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed
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the World Forever. And he's also the international bestselling author
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of the first book in the series, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters,
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39 Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever. Jared has
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had numerous articles published in the Mensa Bulletin and in
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graduate school textbooks on subjects ranging from Supreme Court reform
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to Arctic exploration. He was a decorated combat infantry officer
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in Vietnam in the 1st Air Cavalry Division in In
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his civilian career, he has served as a vice president
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of sales and marketing and marketing director in the home
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improvement industry. Jared Knott, welcome back to the Bruce Collins Show.
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Thank you very much, Bruce. It's an honor to be
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here again.
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It's great to have you back. Now, you had a
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computer glitch, but we're using the magic of the phone
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now to... To broadcast this. So people are going to
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be listening to this on streaming. They'll also see it
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on YouTube. At the moment, I'm showing a picture actually
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of the cover of your first book, which the second
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book looks similar to the to the first. It's Tiny Blunders,
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Big Disasters. So last time you were on, we focused
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on book two, and I highly recommend both books. If
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I buy a book that I like and there's a series,
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I usually check them all out. But in today's interview,
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I wanted to focus on some of the stories from
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the first book, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. One of the
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chapters in book one was Hitler the Unkillable. Can you
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explain that title?
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Yes, it was amazing. How many times Hitler avoided death?
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There were a number of close calls. They had a
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big push, they had a big riot in the streets,
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and he was there leading it. And then the army
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came out, and they were shooting people, and so many
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managed to step away and not get shot. Just one example,
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World War I, he was out in the trenches, and
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I have to say, he'd seen good about it, but
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he loved Come on, the Germany's highest medal for.
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Valor, escape death, there.
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And then also, this is kind of an amazing thing,
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there was a carpenter who wanted to blow Hitler up
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on his own. He went into the big hall, having
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a big meeting scheduled some days ahead, and he dug
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out a section there and planted a large explosive device,
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and then he set the timer on it, So it
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would explode when Hitler was there on the stage and
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on the dais that particular evening. So when the evening comes,
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the bulkhead overhead, the clock is ticking away. And because
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it was going to be a foggy night, they're going
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to have to go back, I think it was, to
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Munich by train instead of by airplane because they couldn't
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fly in the fog. So Hitler leaves 15 minutes earlier.
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then he was scheduled to leave. So he packs up
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and he just cohorts it. They walk out. They leave
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a lot of the officials right there. And right on schedule,
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the bomb explodes. Huge, giant explosion. A huge bulkhead falls down,
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kills the number of the Nazis there above the dais.
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But Hitler had left 15 minutes early. It was just
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a close brush with. And it was right after the
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invasion into Poland. If it had been killed right then,
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there's a good chance that there would have been I
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know World War II was not daring.
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I think they would have taken it over if it
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was not in favor of the war.
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And the war might have ended before it even really
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got out of the way. So time after time after time,
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they managed to escape death. So World War II, killing
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billions and millions and tens of billions of people. And
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so some people say, unless the work of the devil,
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this evil man, was able to survive so long and
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don't deserve to die. Well, then he would, except for
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that 15 minutes, history would have taken a completely different direction.
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Gary would have taken over as the Chancellor, and there
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might not have been a World War II with the
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Western Allies or even with Russia at all. That might
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have been very few points in history was a turning
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point that had such enormous consequences. So if the gentleman
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had said the call 15 minutes earlier or 20 minutes earlier,
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it would be a different world that we live in today.
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You know, Hitler's an interesting character. I've been starting to
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play around with the idea of doing a little history
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on my talk show, but offering it as something kind
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of separate, little history stories. And a couple of things
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that I looked at were Operation Mincemeat and Operation Bodyguard.
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And both of those were the allies used a belief
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that Hitler had specifically where he thought the allies were
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going to attack. And they confirmed it through with Operation Mincemeat.
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They actually dropped a cadaver into the water and made
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him look like a courier of intelligence and And then
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with Operation Bodyguard, they concocted this sort of ghost town
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that was a large military base with inflatable tanks. And
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they even floated the idea that Patton was in charge
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of the military. That actually contributed to Normandy, the Normandy invasion,
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because Hitler wouldn't relieve those troops that he thought were
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Patton was the area that he thought Patton was going
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to attack. So that leads me to confirmation bias. Is
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that one of the great villains in history?
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Well, again and again, they're able to use— Germans had a
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very high estimate of patent.
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They were able to use him as kind of a
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decoy at the beginning.
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By the way, talking about Hitler avoiding death, there's one
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other one we should mention, and that is that— In fact,
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Tom Cruise even made a movie about it, Operation Valkyrie. Anyway,
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they managed to crawl Hitler up to the Russian front
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for a big conference on the Russian war. But the
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main purpose behind it was the general assassination plot to
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kill Hitler. And as he's getting on his plane to
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go back to Berlin, this one general came up and
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had this gift box.
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He said, please give this to such and such a general.
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Back in Berlin, it's a bottle of spirits of some kind,
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liquor of some kind.
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But it wasn't liquor at all. It was a bomb.
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It was a British artillery shell with a timing device.
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They pulled the trigger. They put it on the plane.
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The plane flies off. And, of course, they are pacing
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back and forth, wondering what's going to happen. But the
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plane several hours later lands at Berlin without an incident.
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Oh, my gosh.
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If somebody opens up their box and they see that
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it's a bomb, we're going to be in big trouble.
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So they're able to go back there and be with
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them and, God, need to get this box back and
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so on and so forth. Let's open it up and
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bring the cognac. No, no, we can't do that. I
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know it's going to be a disadvantage.
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To get it back. We open it up. Apparently.
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It had to be a small timing device, but apparently
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the atmosphere may have interfered with the ability to function.
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But the trigger device simply malfunctioned, but that would have
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killed Hitler about a year earlier up in the air,
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and the war would have ended probably sooner with the
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treaty with the Americans and the British. And I would
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say the Baseline map of Europe would have been different,
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but that's just another example. One of those things where
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the hand of the devil stepped in to save Hitler
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from the destruction he deserved.
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I thought Operation Mincemeat and Operation Bodyguard, what was so
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intelligent was the fact that they took something that Hitler
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thought was going to happen, namely where they were going
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to attack, and they confirmed it. by these fake reports,
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and then they did the opposite. They actually attacked in
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a different area. So a very smart way to trick Hitler.
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How did the Bridget Chappaquiddick earn a chapter in your
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first Tiny Blender Big Disaster book?
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Yes, well, at its core, we have a serious character
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issue with Kennedy Kennedy. Okay, he's going off to be
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alone with the young woman, Rachel Kopechny. Okay, and then
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the bridge is at a sharp angle with the road.
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He may have been drinking. He may have been under
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the influence.
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So he goes off the bridge into the water, flips
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upside down, and there he is in the water.
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He's able to work his way loose.
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But Rachel Kopechny is still down there in the car
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underneath the water.
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Well, okay, what do you do?
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Well, this house is right there with the lights on.
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You go run and run and run down there. The
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house starts pounding on the door. Call the police. Call
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the police. Call the fire department. Almost crept to the
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car underneath the water. Blah, blah, blah. That's what she
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would do. That's what I would do. He does not.
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To avoid against the scandal, He walks all the way back,
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all the way back to the party that was taking place.
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Goes to two of his aides. They explain the situation.
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They'll come back out to the car. They jump in
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the water. They're beating on the windows and doors. They
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can't get them open. Nobody calls the damn police. The
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house is right up there with lights on.
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Knock on the door. Count on the door. Call the police. No, no,
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they don't.
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They leave her down there in the car all night
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long where she is.
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68. Well, damn it. Damn it.
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So anyway, the next morning, that's how they see the
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car down there in the water. They finally do call
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the police. Of course, it's long since too late then.
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The diver goes down and opens up the door and
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gets into it. She popped herself up in an airspace
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inside of the car, but she had run out of oxygen,
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of course, overnight. So she got 68 there, propped up,
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waiting for help to come. And when she saw the
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guys there pounding on the window, she went, oh, thank gosh,
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I'm glad to be saved. But no, she to take
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into account how corrupt they were. So, and then Teddy Kennedy,
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I'm like, gosh, I just want to think, what the
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hell were you thinking, buddy? Anyway, so then there's the
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big scandal that comes out of it, and it probably
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kept him from becoming President of the United States, but
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he was a person of cowardly, rotten character, and if
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ever he falls, all on him.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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And can you tell us about the lost treasure of
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bad King John?
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Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And that's kind of interesting.
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I think I couldn't catch a break.
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He may not have been as bad as people said,
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but he was winning his enemies. There was still a
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war going on. And he took the treasury of England,
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and he put it on kind of a caravan.
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It had silver. It had gold. It had a lot
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of jewels.
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And he's crossing this area there.
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It's called the Walsh.
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And it's dry land where the tide is out, but it's,
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of course, underwater where the tide is pulled. And as
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they're crossing it, somehow the pathway, the estuary, the kind
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of the causeway that they're on, collapses, and the wagon
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slides off and falls deeper to the mud, up in
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the mud, kind of like a quicksand, kind of then
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all the way down to the bottom.
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Well, okay, that's the extension. This gold is silver and steel,
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so it's over.
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And that was how he was paying the troops that
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were with him. Well, they weren't doing it because of
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his personality or anything. They were trying to get paid,
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but trying to get down to the bottom of the
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big bog. They did not get paid anymore. And he
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goes on to a castle and dies three days later,
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maybe because he's unbroken or got sick or whatever. Those jewels,
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those diamonds, seven years ago, they were worth.
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About $ 70.
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To $ 100 billion. And they're down there now. So many
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feet of mud, even as we speak. But no one
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knows exactly where. It's not practical. We're trying to find it,
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but they're there. Billions of dollars in silver coins, gold coins, diamonds, jewels, whatever,
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that will probably never be found unless there's some advanced technology.
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And again, we're speaking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of the Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters book series. There's book one,
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which is 39 Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever.
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And book two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed the
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World Forever. Again, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. And I'm showing
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a copy of the book right now for those of
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you watching on YouTube. Now, Jared, does this current conflict
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with Iran... have the potential to becoming a tiny blunder,
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big disaster?
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I'm afraid so. And a big, big, I just openly
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say a big, big surprise. Donald Trump was very lucky.
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It's just a nightmare to imagine that Joe Biden We're
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still president. Our Kamala Harris, we're still president. It's so
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good for the country in so many ways. It's not pretty.
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It is getting elected. Iran would probably have a good
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deal of effort right now. They're within three to six
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months of developing one. So big supporter. Thank God he's
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president of the United States. However, we have run out
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of munitions. We have expended a lot of our accurate
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precision missiles. About 89% of them have been expended. We
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also have the defensive weapons, the Patriot and the anti-missile missiles.
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A high percentage of those have been expended to the
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point that we don't want to expend any more because
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that would put me in this funnel position. Say a
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war would develop, China attacks Taiwan, it takes months and
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even years to build all these missiles. It just takes
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a few minutes to fire them off. So we, the
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reason that Donald Trump has not gone in to finish
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the job is that we've run out of, run very
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low on the missiles, the bombs, the rockets, the anti-missile
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missiles that are needed to accomplish that job. So that's
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where we sit right now. Now, they, of course, have
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some resources. They can still use, I think, the bombs
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that can be delivered by the jets. So we still
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have a pretty strong aggressive arsenal. But he's holding back
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because the stockpile has gotten so low. What they've already
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started doing is applying a demonic pressure, which in some
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ways can be more powerful. The explosives, of course, the
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embargo against the Iranians at this point is still very
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much in place. They cannot get any ships to come in.
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They're losing millions of dollars every day. They cannot pay
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the troops, I think, in three weeks. The inflation is
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going to.
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Be 70%, 80%, 90%. People have nothing to eat. People
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have no money.
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to the Iranian government, and hopefully over the weeks and months,
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we've finally brought to bear the situation of not having
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a neutral weapon.
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I think with all the bombing, it's out of control.
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that's the situation that we're in.
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It's too bad that it couldn't go as well as
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it did in Venezuela.
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Over just a few weeks or a few months, but
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that's the kind of a long-down situation that we're in.
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He called it a mistake that they didn't build up
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the stockpiles beginning a year and a half ago. He
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called that a mistake, but it's a situation that's not perfect,
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but still not unmanageable.
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Mm-hmm.
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And for those who may have missed the previous interview
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that I did with you where we talked about Book Two,
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hopefully they go back in the archives and watch that.
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But just for today, revisiting Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book Two,
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is there one story that stands out the most to
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you personally?
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Well, the one I kind of like the most personally
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is here's the teaser for it. What outrageous character. bought
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stolen horses for the Comanche Indians using counterfeit money. What
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could possibly go wrong? This very colorful character was later
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played in a John Ford movie starring John Wayne with
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the help of Dally Wood. And that had a major
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impact on the history of the United States. It led
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to the birth of Quantum Partner, leading Comanche chiefs. and
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there was a very interesting tale, and James Parker was
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the man's name, who was an outrageous character, who may
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have been guilty of several motives. He was guilty of counterfeiting.
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He was guilty of drunkenness. He was guilty of all
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kinds of things, and never got convicted of any of
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Those crimes, Frontier Justice was a little bit frail back then,
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and then John Wayne Blading.
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To a T.
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Some people say that the best, certainly one of the
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best Westerns, and maybe one of his best performances, playing
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this over-the-top outrageous character, James Parker. We'd like to see
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the kidnapping of Cynthia Ann Parker, who was the mother
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of Kwok.
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So do you think modern technology and now artificial intelligence,
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do they reduce human blunders?
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Well, I'd want to say so. There's a great complexity
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going on out there. I don't want to sound too cynical,
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but to underestimate the ability of human beings to goof
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things up, it seems like there's always mistakes to be made.
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I can't imagine a more competent administration than the Trump administration.
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They have very, very talented people at the Department of War.
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You listen to Doug Brigham, the Secretary of the Interior,
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I believe it is, and Mark Rubio, J.D. Vance, very,
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very talented people, very well-versed, Raised in Kane, brilliant officers,
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recently researched. But that's not to say these situations do
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get much more complex, and complexity can lead you to
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do a mistake.
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So I think Doug on a deep screw-up.
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But going forward, there's the old thing in the Bible
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that it'd be worse to work or worse to get
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the time.
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So as a young person, and even today, I used
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to watch a lot of private detective television shows and movies.
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And I interviewed a private investigator. and asked him the
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value of intuition with private investigations. Because a lot of
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the portrayals of private investigations on television... the person has
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a hunch, they have an idea, and they go with
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their intuition. And his comment to me was, there is
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no intuition, just facts. So do you think that people
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who rely on hunches are responsible for many big disasters?
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Well, it's interesting. The Germans have a word for sixth sense,
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a sixth finger on a sixth sense. And Hitler claimed
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to have great intuition.
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In fact, the story I'm talking about is avoiding being
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blown up on that particular Beer Hall incident. He said
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that Hitler's intuition, knowing to leave 15 minutes earlier is
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what saved him. And Eisenhower was talking about it later.
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He said Hitler, for all of his intuition, did guess
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that Normandy was going to be won, won. of the
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possible areas of the invasion. But yes, I do think
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people develop an instinct based on experience, in particular, when
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they've got a pattern of recognition You see a similar
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situation coming up, but the ability to identify the pattern
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and to play that kind of punch definitely is effective,
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and it's, of course, based on facts. So I can
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say yes and no. I do think intuition, firefighters sensing,
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sometimes you don't know why.
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It's the small, the small thing. particular angle of the door.
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In fact, this particular door won't open or what it
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might be kind of binds in previous situations.
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Which is a kind of intuition.
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So it definitely has its merit. Also, as we'll say,
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one of the strengths of the jury system It's human
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beings having a natural intuition about other human beings. So
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when they see someone testifying on the stand, they don't
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seem to be quite being themselves. They don't quite seem
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to be saying it in a way that seems authentic.
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It's the intuition that people have about other people. That's
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one of the things that is the strength of the
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jury system. So give me a partial yes and a
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partial no, but sometimes people can talk to themselves into
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thinking that something is alive based on emotion. That's wrong,
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but I would say intuition has its place, yes.
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I feel like maybe you watch current events and you
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say sometimes, I've seen these patterns before. So is it true?
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I believe Mark Twain once said, history doesn't repeat itself,
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but it rhymes. Is that true?
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Yes, there's no question that. You look at human nature,
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and you can see all these same patterns being repeated.
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But at the same time, each situation is different. And
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one thing that there's no saying that generals are always
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fighting the same last war. Well, people sometimes will look
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at the last war, and they're looking at the wisdom
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that would have worked in the last war, and they
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apply it to the current situation, and the current situation
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may be completely different. Vietnam, the argument was, well, remember
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we made the mistake back in Munich. There was a building,
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a force, a gathering threat, and we ignored it, and
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so we had to nip it in the bud. The
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same logic was also years after 9-11 and the war
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with Iraq. Well, we didn't connect the dots early enough.
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We didn't nip it in the bud earlier. Well, nipping
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in the bud worked for Munich, but it was all
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wrong for Vietnam. Nipping in the bud would have worked
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for 9-11, but it was all wrong for the war
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at Iraq, as people were looking backwards and said, One
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lesson is you look at the current situation, see what
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the particular characteristics are for that situation, make your decisions
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based on what's current. Don't try to base it on
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past experiences that are a different set of circumstances altogether.
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And so we're talking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of Tiny Blenders, Big Disasters. There's the cover books one
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and two. I highly recommend those books.
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They're great.
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Now, Jared, if every president, CEO, and military commander read
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your books, not necessarily a story, but what lesson do
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you hope would stay with them?
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Well, that would enrich me somewhat. Yes, going back there,
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it's interesting. In the first book, I talked about the
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importance of that. and there was a book written by
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a doctor, Atul Gawande, and it was the Checklist Manifesto.
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And it was written, I guess, about 15, 12, 15
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years ago. And he was saying, gee, the operating room
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is getting so complex, so many different factors coming up.
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It's getting to the point that it's beyond the ability
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of the human mind to handle it all correctly. I'm wondering,
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he said, I'm wondering how the people over the airline
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industry faced that same kind of situation because that also
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can be very complex. So whenever they talked to the
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people at Boeing, how do you handle this complex situation,
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how to deal with it, it went back to a
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famous airline crash way back in 1936. They called it
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the B-99. It was the forerunner of the Flying Forkers,
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the B-17. And anyway, what happened was the two of
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the best pilots that Boeing had were taking off to
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the plane, and they had forgotten to turn off the
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elevator switch, okay, which caused the plane to stall and
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pancake down. Both the pilot and the co-pilot were killed
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by the investigators. They said, gee whiz, it was a
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simple thing to flip that switch, and that would have
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avoided the entire mistake.
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They were very experienced pilots. What do we do to
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prevent this?
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And they came up with the checklist program, okay, which
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was beginning then and is used to this day and
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granted with great thoroughness throughout the industry.
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A series of 37.
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Items or 41 items, whatever it is, that the pilot
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goes through before the plane takes off. Step number one,
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be sure and engage such and such a gear.
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Check, check.
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Check number two, turn off the elevator pilot. Huge check,
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whatever it might be. Check number three, number four. They
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go down this checklist every day. Human beings can only
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think about one thing at a time. but there may
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be 37 or 45 things they have to do to
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get the plane off the ground. Well, the checklist system,
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the primitive, humble checklist, was critical and was used at
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that point going forward, especially as.
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World War II.
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many lives and avoided many accidents. And so they took
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it back to the operating room, they implemented it, and
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saw a big drop. and fatalities coming out of the
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operating room as a result of a checklist. Here's the
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cart here, and here's the antibiotics that you might leave on,
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and here's the other equipment that you might need. It's
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all part of the checklist system. So if something comes up,
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we are prepared. We are ready.
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It's not something that we forgot to do. And that
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checklist system is used. By the way, parallel.
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To that, there's also something called timeout, And the operating room,
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they stop, okay, before they cut anybody, and they say, okay,
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my name is Dr.
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Tom Jones. I'm here for such and such an operation.
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I'm a nurse here, and so on, and so on,
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for the anesthesiologist, and so on, and so on, and
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so on. The anesthesiologist goes around the room and discusses,
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what are we doing? The purpose of the operation is
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to amputate the left leg of this patient. And they say, well,
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left leg? Tell me this.
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He said, you'll be amazed. Left leg? I thought it
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was the right leg.
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Wow.
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She said, you'd be amazed at what that happens. You're
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planning to do the wrong operation, cut off the wrong leg,
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make some terrible mistake, and it stops by the timeout
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that they have, but it also stops by the checklist.
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So you have human mistakes, sort of human nature. You
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have to have systems that counter those mistakes in advance
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so that they don't take place and we both have
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both our legs.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. That's why corporations have processes. So your
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books are Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. You have book one
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and book two. What can people find at the website tinyblundersbigdisasters.com?
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I'm glad you asked that question.
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We think of the website as being a Disney World
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more history bus.
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It's kind of an amusement park. You go there, we
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have four fleet chapters.
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We also have a portrait gallery, one of my favorite
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parts of the book. And it has 27 personalities with
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a little bit of dirt.
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On each one.
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And I'm half kidding. It also has a book quiz.
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It has a book trailer. And it has the... Also,
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the sizzle reel, which is a lot of fun. There,
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you can see, it's a fun place to visit. And,
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of course, from there, if you choose to, you can
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go ahead and purchase the book. Of course, Christmas is
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not that far away. It'd be a great Christmas present
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for people who enjoy Christmas.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Now, before you go, the last time we talked, you
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had mentioned you were starting to work on a book
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about unsolved murders, I believe. Are you still working on this,
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or is there anything coming up for you that you
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would like to tease to the audience?
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Well, my wife wants me to spend a lot of
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time with her, and so she's still working on that
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book that you mentioned, which I think is going to
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be great, maybe the best of the three. The title
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is the hushed up murders of famous people, they murdered big,
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they got away with it. And it's amazing how many,
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people get up to a high level.
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There are a lot of people who want to knock
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them off.
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And just a number of examples, of course, Samuel Lister
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was murdered by the mob to mess him up because
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he had taken a dive against Muhammad Ali. There's also
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Jimmy Hoffa was killed by his best friend at the
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behest of the mafia. There are a number of examples there.
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But one of the most exciting examples is Marilyn Monroe.
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And there's strong evidence to indicate that she was, and
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it's shocking to say it, but was murdered by the Kennedys,
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Robert Kennedy, in particular Peter Lawford, was there with him.
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There was a breakdown afterwards with a doctor. And the
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investigators there in Los Angeles always believed it was a
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homicide at the very beginning. Robert Kennedy was at her
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house the day she died. And so was Peter Lawford.
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Strong evidence to indicate that the doctor injected her with whatever,
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and she died as a result. She was at an
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affair with both Robert Kennedy And John Kennedy, she was
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out of control. She had her mouth off. If the
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press got wind of it, it would be a big, ugly, ugly,
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embarrassing disaster for the United States having an affair. And
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it's probably having an affair with Brown Monroe. So, as
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shocking as it sounds, Robert Kennedy, who then got on
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a plane, flipped San Francisco and went back to Washington
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in the same day. That's one of the strangest things
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that was taken and never would solve.
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Fascinating.
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Again, we've been speaking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book 1 and Book 2.
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They're both available on Amazon. Book 2 is the most
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recent book, obviously. And Jared, thank you so much for
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joining us this week. And I hope I can have
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you back when the new book comes out.
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Perfect.
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Go to tinyblundersbigdisasters.com. That's a fun place to visit. Love
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to be back again. Appreciate it very much.
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Okay, great.
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Hi, everybody.
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Radio Network. I know I was going to tell them. Hey,
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do you have the app? It's the best way to
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listen to the Fringe Radio Network. It's safe, and you
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don't have to log in to use it, and it
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I know I was going to tell them. How do
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you get the app? Just go to Fringeraidionetwork.com right at
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the top of the page. I know, Slippers. We got
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to keep cleaning these chimneys.
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Returning to the Bruce Collins Show, our guest today is
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Jared Knott. Jared Knott is the author of Tiny Blunders,
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Big Disasters, Book Two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed
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the World Forever. And he's also the international bestselling author
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of the first book in the series, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters,
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39 Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever. Jared has
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had numerous articles published in the Mensa Bulletin and in
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graduate school textbooks on subjects ranging from Supreme Court reform
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to Arctic exploration. He was a decorated combat infantry officer
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in Vietnam in the 1st Air Cavalry Division in In
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his civilian career, he has served as a vice president
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of sales and marketing and marketing director in the home
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improvement industry. Jared Knott, welcome back to the Bruce Collins Show.
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Thank you very much, Bruce. It's an honor to be
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here again.
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It's great to have you back. Now, you had a
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computer glitch, but we're using the magic of the phone
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now to... To broadcast this. So people are going to
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be listening to this on streaming. They'll also see it
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on YouTube. At the moment, I'm showing a picture actually
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of the cover of your first book, which the second
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book looks similar to the to the first. It's Tiny Blunders,
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Big Disasters. So last time you were on, we focused
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on book two, and I highly recommend both books. If
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I buy a book that I like and there's a series,
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I usually check them all out. But in today's interview,
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I wanted to focus on some of the stories from
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the first book, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. One of the
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chapters in book one was Hitler the Unkillable. Can you
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explain that title?
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Yes, it was amazing. How many times Hitler avoided death?
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There were a number of close calls. They had a
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big push, they had a big riot in the streets,
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and he was there leading it. And then the army
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came out, and they were shooting people, and so many
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managed to step away and not get shot. Just one example,
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World War I, he was out in the trenches, and
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I have to say, he'd seen good about it, but
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he loved Come on, the Germany's highest medal for.
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Valor, escape death, there.
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And then also, this is kind of an amazing thing,
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there was a carpenter who wanted to blow Hitler up
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on his own. He went into the big hall, having
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a big meeting scheduled some days ahead, and he dug
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out a section there and planted a large explosive device,
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and then he set the timer on it, So it
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would explode when Hitler was there on the stage and
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on the dais that particular evening. So when the evening comes,
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the bulkhead overhead, the clock is ticking away. And because
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it was going to be a foggy night, they're going
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to have to go back, I think it was, to
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Munich by train instead of by airplane because they couldn't
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fly in the fog. So Hitler leaves 15 minutes earlier.
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then he was scheduled to leave. So he packs up
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and he just cohorts it. They walk out. They leave
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a lot of the officials right there. And right on schedule,
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the bomb explodes. Huge, giant explosion. A huge bulkhead falls down,
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kills the number of the Nazis there above the dais.
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a close brush with. And it was right after the
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invasion into Poland. If it had been killed right then,
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there's a good chance that there would have been I
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know World War II was not daring.
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I think they would have taken it over if it
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was not in favor of the war.
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got out of the way. So time after time after time,
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they managed to escape death. So World War II, killing
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billions and millions and tens of billions of people. And
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so some people say, unless the work of the devil,
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this evil man, was able to survive so long and
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don't deserve to die. Well, then he would, except for
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that 15 minutes, history would have taken a completely different direction.
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Gary would have taken over as the Chancellor, and there
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might not have been a World War II with the
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Western Allies or even with Russia at all. That might
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have been very few points in history was a turning
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point that had such enormous consequences. So if the gentleman
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had said the call 15 minutes earlier or 20 minutes earlier,
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it would be a different world that we live in today.
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You know, Hitler's an interesting character. I've been starting to
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play around with the idea of doing a little history
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on my talk show, but offering it as something kind
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of separate, little history stories. And a couple of things
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that I looked at were Operation Mincemeat and Operation Bodyguard.
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that Hitler had specifically where he thought the allies were
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going to attack. And they confirmed it through with Operation Mincemeat.
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him look like a courier of intelligence and And then
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with Operation Bodyguard, they concocted this sort of ghost town
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that was a large military base with inflatable tanks. And
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they even floated the idea that Patton was in charge
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of the military. That actually contributed to Normandy, the Normandy invasion,
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because Hitler wouldn't relieve those troops that he thought were
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Patton was the area that he thought Patton was going
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to attack. So that leads me to confirmation bias. Is
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that one of the great villains in history?
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Well, again and again, they're able to use— Germans had a
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very high estimate of patent.
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They were able to use him as kind of a
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decoy at the beginning.
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By the way, talking about Hitler avoiding death, there's one
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other one we should mention, and that is that— In fact,
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Tom Cruise even made a movie about it, Operation Valkyrie. Anyway,
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they managed to crawl Hitler up to the Russian front
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for a big conference on the Russian war. But the
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main purpose behind it was the general assassination plot to
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kill Hitler. And as he's getting on his plane to
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go back to Berlin, this one general came up and
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had this gift box.
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He said, please give this to such and such a general.
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Back in Berlin, it's a bottle of spirits of some kind,
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liquor of some kind.
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It was a British artillery shell with a timing device.
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They pulled the trigger. They put it on the plane.
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The plane flies off. And, of course, they are pacing
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back and forth, wondering what's going to happen. But the
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plane several hours later lands at Berlin without an incident.
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Oh, my gosh.
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If somebody opens up their box and they see that
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it's a bomb, we're going to be in big trouble.
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So they're able to go back there and be with
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them and, God, need to get this box back and
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so on and so forth. Let's open it up and
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bring the cognac. No, no, we can't do that. I
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know it's going to be a disadvantage.
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To get it back. We open it up. Apparently.
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It had to be a small timing device, but apparently
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the atmosphere may have interfered with the ability to function.
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But the trigger device simply malfunctioned, but that would have
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killed Hitler about a year earlier up in the air,
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and the war would have ended probably sooner with the
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treaty with the Americans and the British. And I would
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say the Baseline map of Europe would have been different,
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but that's just another example. One of those things where
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the hand of the devil stepped in to save Hitler
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from the destruction he deserved.
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I thought Operation Mincemeat and Operation Bodyguard, what was so
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intelligent was the fact that they took something that Hitler
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thought was going to happen, namely where they were going
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to attack, and they confirmed it. by these fake reports,
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and then they did the opposite. They actually attacked in
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a different area. So a very smart way to trick Hitler.
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How did the Bridget Chappaquiddick earn a chapter in your
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first Tiny Blender Big Disaster book?
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issue with Kennedy Kennedy. Okay, he's going off to be
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alone with the young woman, Rachel Kopechny. Okay, and then
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the bridge is at a sharp angle with the road.
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the influence.
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upside down, and there he is in the water.
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underneath the water.
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Well, okay, what do you do?
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You go run and run and run down there. The
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house starts pounding on the door. Call the police. Call
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the police. Call the fire department. Almost crept to the
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car underneath the water. Blah, blah, blah. That's what she
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would do. That's what I would do. He does not.
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all the way back to the party that was taking place.
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the water. They're beating on the windows and doors. They
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can't get them open. Nobody calls the damn police. The
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house is right up there with lights on.
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Knock on the door. Count on the door. Call the police. No, no,
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they don't.
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long where she is.
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68. Well, damn it. Damn it.
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car down there in the water. They finally do call
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the police. Of course, it's long since too late then.
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The diver goes down and opens up the door and
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gets into it. She popped herself up in an airspace
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inside of the car, but she had run out of oxygen,
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of course, overnight. So she got 68 there, propped up,
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waiting for help to come. And when she saw the
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guys there pounding on the window, she went, oh, thank gosh,
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I'm glad to be saved. But no, she to take
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into account how corrupt they were. So, and then Teddy Kennedy,
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I'm like, gosh, I just want to think, what the
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hell were you thinking, buddy? Anyway, so then there's the
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big scandal that comes out of it, and it probably
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kept him from becoming President of the United States, but
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he was a person of cowardly, rotten character, and if
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ever he falls, all on him.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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And can you tell us about the lost treasure of
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bad King John?
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Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And that's kind of interesting.
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I think I couldn't catch a break.
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He may not have been as bad as people said,
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but he was winning his enemies. There was still a
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war going on. And he took the treasury of England,
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and he put it on kind of a caravan.
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It had silver. It had gold. It had a lot
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of jewels.
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And he's crossing this area there.
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It's called the Walsh.
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And it's dry land where the tide is out, but it's,
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of course, underwater where the tide is pulled. And as
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they're crossing it, somehow the pathway, the estuary, the kind
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of the causeway that they're on, collapses, and the wagon
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slides off and falls deeper to the mud, up in
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the mud, kind of like a quicksand, kind of then
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all the way down to the bottom.
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so it's over.
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were with him. Well, they weren't doing it because of
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his personality or anything. They were trying to get paid,
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but trying to get down to the bottom of the
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big bog. They did not get paid anymore. And he
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goes on to a castle and dies three days later,
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maybe because he's unbroken or got sick or whatever. Those jewels,
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those diamonds, seven years ago, they were worth.
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To $ 100 billion. And they're down there now. So many
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feet of mud, even as we speak. But no one
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knows exactly where. It's not practical. We're trying to find it,
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but they're there. Billions of dollars in silver coins, gold coins, diamonds, jewels, whatever,
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that will probably never be found unless there's some advanced technology.
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And again, we're speaking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of the Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters book series. There's book one,
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which is 39 Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever.
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And book two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed the
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World Forever. Again, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. And I'm showing
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a copy of the book right now for those of
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you watching on YouTube. Now, Jared, does this current conflict
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with Iran... have the potential to becoming a tiny blunder,
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big disaster?
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I'm afraid so. And a big, big, I just openly
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say a big, big surprise. Donald Trump was very lucky.
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It's just a nightmare to imagine that Joe Biden We're
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still president. Our Kamala Harris, we're still president. It's so
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good for the country in so many ways. It's not pretty.
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It is getting elected. Iran would probably have a good
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deal of effort right now. They're within three to six
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months of developing one. So big supporter. Thank God he's
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president of the United States. However, we have run out
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of munitions. We have expended a lot of our accurate
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precision missiles. About 89% of them have been expended. We
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also have the defensive weapons, the Patriot and the anti-missile missiles.
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A high percentage of those have been expended to the
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point that we don't want to expend any more because
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that would put me in this funnel position. Say a
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war would develop, China attacks Taiwan, it takes months and
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even years to build all these missiles. It just takes
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a few minutes to fire them off. So we, the
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reason that Donald Trump has not gone in to finish
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the job is that we've run out of, run very
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low on the missiles, the bombs, the rockets, the anti-missile
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missiles that are needed to accomplish that job. So that's
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where we sit right now. Now, they, of course, have
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some resources. They can still use, I think, the bombs
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that can be delivered by the jets. So we still
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have a pretty strong aggressive arsenal. But he's holding back
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because the stockpile has gotten so low. What they've already
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started doing is applying a demonic pressure, which in some
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ways can be more powerful. The explosives, of course, the
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embargo against the Iranians at this point is still very
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much in place. They cannot get any ships to come in.
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They're losing millions of dollars every day. They cannot pay
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the troops, I think, in three weeks. The inflation is
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going to.
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Be 70%, 80%, 90%. People have nothing to eat. People
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have no money.
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to the Iranian government, and hopefully over the weeks and months,
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we've finally brought to bear the situation of not having
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a neutral weapon.
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I think with all the bombing, it's out of control.
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that's the situation that we're in.
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It's too bad that it couldn't go as well as
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it did in Venezuela.
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Over just a few weeks or a few months, but
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that's the kind of a long-down situation that we're in.
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He called it a mistake that they didn't build up
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the stockpiles beginning a year and a half ago. He
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called that a mistake, but it's a situation that's not perfect,
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but still not unmanageable.
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Mm-hmm.
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And for those who may have missed the previous interview
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that I did with you where we talked about Book Two,
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hopefully they go back in the archives and watch that.
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But just for today, revisiting Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book Two,
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is there one story that stands out the most to
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you personally?
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is here's the teaser for it. What outrageous character. bought
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stolen horses for the Comanche Indians using counterfeit money. What
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could possibly go wrong? This very colorful character was later
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played in a John Ford movie starring John Wayne with
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the help of Dally Wood. And that had a major
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impact on the history of the United States. It led
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to the birth of Quantum Partner, leading Comanche chiefs. and
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there was a very interesting tale, and James Parker was
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the man's name, who was an outrageous character, who may
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have been guilty of several motives. He was guilty of counterfeiting.
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He was guilty of drunkenness. He was guilty of all
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kinds of things, and never got convicted of any of
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Those crimes, Frontier Justice was a little bit frail back then,
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and then John Wayne Blading.
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To a T.
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Some people say that the best, certainly one of the
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best Westerns, and maybe one of his best performances, playing
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this over-the-top outrageous character, James Parker. We'd like to see
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the kidnapping of Cynthia Ann Parker, who was the mother
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of Kwok.
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So do you think modern technology and now artificial intelligence,
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do they reduce human blunders?
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Well, I'd want to say so. There's a great complexity
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going on out there. I don't want to sound too cynical,
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but to underestimate the ability of human beings to goof
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things up, it seems like there's always mistakes to be made.
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I can't imagine a more competent administration than the Trump administration.
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They have very, very talented people at the Department of War.
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I believe it is, and Mark Rubio, J.D. Vance, very,
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very talented people, very well-versed, Raised in Kane, brilliant officers,
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recently researched. But that's not to say these situations do
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get much more complex, and complexity can lead you to
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do a mistake.
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So I think Doug on a deep screw-up.
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But going forward, there's the old thing in the Bible
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that it'd be worse to work or worse to get
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the time.
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to watch a lot of private detective television shows and movies.
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And I interviewed a private investigator. and asked him the
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value of intuition with private investigations. Because a lot of
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the portrayals of private investigations on television... the person has
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a hunch, they have an idea, and they go with
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their intuition. And his comment to me was, there is
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no intuition, just facts. So do you think that people
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who rely on hunches are responsible for many big disasters?
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a sixth finger on a sixth sense. And Hitler claimed
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to have great intuition.
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blown up on that particular Beer Hall incident. He said
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that Hitler's intuition, knowing to leave 15 minutes earlier is
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what saved him. And Eisenhower was talking about it later.
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that Normandy was going to be won, won. of the
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possible areas of the invasion. But yes, I do think
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people develop an instinct based on experience, in particular, when
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they've got a pattern of recognition You see a similar
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situation coming up, but the ability to identify the pattern
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and to play that kind of punch definitely is effective,
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and it's, of course, based on facts. So I can
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say yes and no. I do think intuition, firefighters sensing,
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sometimes you don't know why.
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It's the small, the small thing. particular angle of the door.
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might be kind of binds in previous situations.
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Which is a kind of intuition.
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one of the strengths of the jury system It's human
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beings having a natural intuition about other human beings. So
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when they see someone testifying on the stand, they don't
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seem to be quite being themselves. They don't quite seem
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to be saying it in a way that seems authentic.
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It's the intuition that people have about other people. That's
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one of the things that is the strength of the
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jury system. So give me a partial yes and a
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partial no, but sometimes people can talk to themselves into
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thinking that something is alive based on emotion. That's wrong,
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but I would say intuition has its place, yes.
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I feel like maybe you watch current events and you
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say sometimes, I've seen these patterns before. So is it true?
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I believe Mark Twain once said, history doesn't repeat itself,
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but it rhymes. Is that true?
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Yes, there's no question that. You look at human nature,
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and you can see all these same patterns being repeated.
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But at the same time, each situation is different. And
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one thing that there's no saying that generals are always
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fighting the same last war. Well, people sometimes will look
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at the last war, and they're looking at the wisdom
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that would have worked in the last war, and they
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apply it to the current situation, and the current situation
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may be completely different. Vietnam, the argument was, well, remember
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we made the mistake back in Munich. There was a building,
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a force, a gathering threat, and we ignored it, and
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so we had to nip it in the bud. The
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same logic was also years after 9-11 and the war
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with Iraq. Well, we didn't connect the dots early enough.
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We didn't nip it in the bud earlier. Well, nipping
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in the bud worked for Munich, but it was all
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wrong for Vietnam. Nipping in the bud would have worked
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for 9-11, but it was all wrong for the war
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at Iraq, as people were looking backwards and said, One
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lesson is you look at the current situation, see what
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the particular characteristics are for that situation, make your decisions
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based on what's current. Don't try to base it on
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past experiences that are a different set of circumstances altogether.
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And so we're talking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of Tiny Blenders, Big Disasters. There's the cover books one
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and two. I highly recommend those books.
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They're great.
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Now, Jared, if every president, CEO, and military commander read
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your books, not necessarily a story, but what lesson do
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you hope would stay with them?
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Well, that would enrich me somewhat. Yes, going back there,
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it's interesting. In the first book, I talked about the
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importance of that. and there was a book written by
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a doctor, Atul Gawande, and it was the Checklist Manifesto.
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And it was written, I guess, about 15, 12, 15
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years ago. And he was saying, gee, the operating room
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is getting so complex, so many different factors coming up.
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It's getting to the point that it's beyond the ability
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of the human mind to handle it all correctly. I'm wondering,
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he said, I'm wondering how the people over the airline
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industry faced that same kind of situation because that also
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can be very complex. So whenever they talked to the
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people at Boeing, how do you handle this complex situation,
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how to deal with it, it went back to a
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famous airline crash way back in 1936. They called it
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the B-99. It was the forerunner of the Flying Forkers,
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the B-17. And anyway, what happened was the two of
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the best pilots that Boeing had were taking off to
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the plane, and they had forgotten to turn off the
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elevator switch, okay, which caused the plane to stall and
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pancake down. Both the pilot and the co-pilot were killed
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by the investigators. They said, gee whiz, it was a
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simple thing to flip that switch, and that would have
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avoided the entire mistake.
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They were very experienced pilots. What do we do to
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prevent this?
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And they came up with the checklist program, okay, which
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was beginning then and is used to this day and
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granted with great thoroughness throughout the industry.
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A series of 37.
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Items or 41 items, whatever it is, that the pilot
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goes through before the plane takes off. Step number one,
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be sure and engage such and such a gear.
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Check, check.
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Check number two, turn off the elevator pilot. Huge check,
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whatever it might be. Check number three, number four. They
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go down this checklist every day. Human beings can only
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think about one thing at a time. but there may
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be 37 or 45 things they have to do to
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get the plane off the ground. Well, the checklist system,
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the primitive, humble checklist, was critical and was used at
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that point going forward, especially as.
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World War II.
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We had a lot of beginning pilots, and they saved
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many lives and avoided many accidents. And so they took
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it back to the operating room, they implemented it, and
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saw a big drop. and fatalities coming out of the
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operating room as a result of a checklist. Here's the
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cart here, and here's the antibiotics that you might leave on,
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and here's the other equipment that you might need. It's
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all part of the checklist system. So if something comes up,
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we are prepared. We are ready.
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It's not something that we forgot to do. And that
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checklist system is used. By the way, parallel.
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To that, there's also something called timeout, And the operating room,
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they stop, okay, before they cut anybody, and they say, okay,
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my name is Dr.
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Tom Jones. I'm here for such and such an operation.
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I'm a nurse here, and so on, and so on,
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for the anesthesiologist, and so on, and so on, and
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so on. The anesthesiologist goes around the room and discusses,
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what are we doing? The purpose of the operation is
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to amputate the left leg of this patient. And they say, well,
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left leg? Tell me this.
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He said, you'll be amazed. Left leg? I thought it
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was the right leg.
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Wow.
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She said, you'd be amazed at what that happens. You're
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planning to do the wrong operation, cut off the wrong leg,
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make some terrible mistake, and it stops by the timeout
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that they have, but it also stops by the checklist.
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So you have human mistakes, sort of human nature. You
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have to have systems that counter those mistakes in advance
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so that they don't take place and we both have
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both our legs.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. That's why corporations have processes. So your
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books are Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. You have book one
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and book two. What can people find at the website tinyblundersbigdisasters.com?
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I'm glad you asked that question.
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We think of the website as being a Disney World
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more history bus.
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It's kind of an amusement park. You go there, we
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have four fleet chapters.
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We also have a portrait gallery, one of my favorite
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parts of the book. And it has 27 personalities with
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a little bit of dirt.
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On each one.
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And I'm half kidding. It also has a book quiz.
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It has a book trailer. And it has the... Also,
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the sizzle reel, which is a lot of fun. There,
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you can see, it's a fun place to visit. And,
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of course, from there, if you choose to, you can
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go ahead and purchase the book. Of course, Christmas is
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not that far away. It'd be a great Christmas present
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for people who enjoy Christmas.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Now, before you go, the last time we talked, you
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had mentioned you were starting to work on a book
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about unsolved murders, I believe. Are you still working on this,
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or is there anything coming up for you that you
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would like to tease to the audience?
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Well, my wife wants me to spend a lot of
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time with her, and so she's still working on that
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book that you mentioned, which I think is going to
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be great, maybe the best of the three. The title
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is the hushed up murders of famous people, they murdered big,
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they got away with it. And it's amazing how many,
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people get up to a high level.
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There are a lot of people who want to knock
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them off.
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And just a number of examples, of course, Samuel Lister
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was murdered by the mob to mess him up because
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he had taken a dive against Muhammad Ali. There's also
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Jimmy Hoffa was killed by his best friend at the
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behest of the mafia. There are a number of examples there.
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But one of the most exciting examples is Marilyn Monroe.
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And there's strong evidence to indicate that she was, and
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it's shocking to say it, but was murdered by the Kennedys,
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Robert Kennedy, in particular Peter Lawford, was there with him.
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There was a breakdown afterwards with a doctor. And the
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investigators there in Los Angeles always believed it was a
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homicide at the very beginning. Robert Kennedy was at her
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house the day she died. And so was Peter Lawford.
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Strong evidence to indicate that the doctor injected her with whatever,
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and she died as a result. She was at an
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affair with both Robert Kennedy And John Kennedy, she was
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out of control. She had her mouth off. If the
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press got wind of it, it would be a big, ugly, ugly,
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embarrassing disaster for the United States having an affair. And
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it's probably having an affair with Brown Monroe. So, as
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shocking as it sounds, Robert Kennedy, who then got on
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a plane, flipped San Francisco and went back to Washington
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in the same day. That's one of the strangest things
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that was taken and never would solve.
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Fascinating.
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Again, we've been speaking with Jared Knott. He's the author
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of Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book 1 and Book 2.
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They're both available on Amazon. Book 2 is the most
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recent book, obviously. And Jared, thank you so much for
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joining us this week. And I hope I can have
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you back when the new book comes out.
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Perfect.
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Go to tinyblundersbigdisasters.com. That's a fun place to visit. Love
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to be back again. Appreciate it very much.
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Okay, great.
