Gothic Slayers feat. Caleb, Ben, & Dylan (2025)

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Welcome back to Frighten Mears Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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and joining me today for a very special episode, three
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people I'm definitely going to get ganged up on, and
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that's totally fine. Two writers and two stars of Gothic
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Slayers and the director himself. We'll start with Caleb Harris.
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How are you doing today?
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I'm doing great. How are you?
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Oh, I'm surviving. If anybody listened to the Silver Bullet
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episode that we just did and released, I'm still getting
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over a sickness, and I'm probably still very delirious from that.
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So it'll be a fun time. Next, the person I've
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been talking to the most is Ben Goetz. How are
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we doing today?
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Good, good.
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Happy to be here.
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Thanks for being here, one of the writers and stars.
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And then last but certainly not least, Dylan Eshbaugh. Did
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I fuck that up?
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You got that right on the money, my friend.
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Love it, love it. So we're talking about Gothic Slayers today.
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If you haven't heard of it, you should probably go
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seek it out and watch it before you listen to
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this episode because it's probably going to get spoiled in
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some capacity. I guess my first question is, and I
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don't know who this is directed at because I don't
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know who came up with the idea. Who approached who
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about this movie? Was it a collaborative effort? Was it
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an idea from someone that kind of spawned into what
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we have now? Anyone feel free to take that question.
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It's up for grabs. Don't all jump at once. Jesus.
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We thought you'd be ganged up on, but we're getting
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ganged up on.
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We're scared. We're so scared.
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All right, Dylan, why don't you tell us?
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Yeah, it was started out with Ben and me writing
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the idea. If we can think back to these great times,
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it was, I think, about August of 2020. And Ben
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and I Had been writing a lot that year because
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we had nothing else to do. And we kind of
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started a thing earlier in the year where we would just,
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at 3 p.m. like every day, we would meet on
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Zoom and just start writing something. We were writing a
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lot of pilots at the time. We were working on
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like one or two pilots.
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Nice.
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And we've been doing that for long enough where we
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were like, let's try... writing a feature. It was kind
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of scary. It kind of intimidated us. But we knew
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we wanted to try it and we wanted to write
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something that was in our voices and would be a
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good example of the kind of stuff that we connected
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with when we first started hanging out and talking about
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the kind of movies we liked. And obviously, Ben, you
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can jump in with this part too, but I don't
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really remember exactly how the idea first came about, but
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we knew we wanted to make something in Ben's hometown. Uh,
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we shot that movie Ben's hometown and we had locations.
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It's kind of weird. We kind of wrote location first
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in a lot of ways where we knew we had
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a really great mini golf course. We had a great
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like ice cream stand. Um, we knew we wanted to
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have a hometown feel and we also wanted it to
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be like a genre movie. So once we kind of
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decided let's do like a horror comedy, I think, Obviously,
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the next step is Creepy Cult, you know? So I
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think we just started kind of figuring out from there, like,
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what's the cult going to do? What is the actual
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issue at bay? Like, what are we, like, focusing on?
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And we just would hammer it out, like, once a
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day for.
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A solid five to six months i'd say at least
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i mean at least what.
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Dylan's shying away from is that this actually happened to
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us and it actually our story and uh that was
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just a much easier way of putting it dylan but
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that's okay.
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They say right what you know and uh yeah yeah.
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It just sounds weird when we lead with like we
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were working at a mini golf course in our 30s
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and then a cult came and abducted our friend so
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we've we've created this whole elaborate thing of like Oh,
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we got on Zoom at 3 p.m.
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Every day and wrote together.
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I love it.
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It's a little PG, but yeah.
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Poor Dougie, man. So, Caleb, how did you get involved?
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Did they approach you, or are you guys all just
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kind of friends? What was that process like, getting the script?
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Yeah, so Ben Goetz and I actually... gosh, this would
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have been like seven or eight years prior to like
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connecting on this project. We actually worked together on a
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TV show back in Des Moines, Iowa, all places, all
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play by play. Um, Ben was an actor and I
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was working on the crew side and we had always
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kind of gotten along and shared some jokes and kind
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of laughs with each other on set. And, uh, when
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he went back to New York and I ended up
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moving out to LA, we just stayed connected over Instagram,
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following each other, liking each other's posts and stuff. And,
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while he was acting and writing and stuff, I was
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back here in LA working on cinematography, directing, editing. And,
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you know, I think when these boys like finished the
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script and it was in a really good spot, you know,
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through just sheer happenstance, like Ben considered me just from
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seeing like the work that.
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I was doing on social media.
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Gotcha.
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And so he sent it to me and I read
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the script and like, And less than a day, I
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was so excited by the idea that I came back.
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With a full pitch deck.
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I had like 10, 15 pages with reference images, all
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these different things that I wanted to do. And I
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was like, I want this. Whatever it takes for me
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to do this, I am down to do this.
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I love it.
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Yeah, the rest is kind of history, but yeah, it
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was like seven or eight years of us not working
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physically together, but just keeping up on social media.
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And yeah, I'm telling you, it's all about who, you know,
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and who you stay connected with and, and, uh, the
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film industry. Uh, and that's amazing. Okay. So I love,
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I love all of that. That's incredible. Um, and so
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would you say, uh, Dylan and Ben that the, I
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don't know, are these characters basically just kind of who
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not like literally who you are, but I feel like
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there's a lot of yourselves in these characters. Would you
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say that's true?
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Yeah, I think what's funny is that I think in
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a lot of ways it wasn't until we were shooting
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it that we kind of realized that I think in
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some ways I'm more like the Ben character and Ben's
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more like the Dylan character. Like, I don't know how
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true that is. I think we kind of go through waves,
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you know what I mean? Where, like, in our friendship
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there are definitely days where I'm the Dylan and then
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there are definitely days where I'm the Ben.
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Okay.
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But it's definitely a heightened version of both of us
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for sure, regardless of which one of us we're more like.
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But yeah, it's like a cartoon version of us. If
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someone made a caricature of two of us, I think
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these guys would be, what would happen if you did that?
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Yeah, you guys clicked so well. Literally, the opening scene
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of you guys going to the convenience store in the
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golf cart and spilling the drinks over one another while
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he's mixing it. I mean, you guys established such a
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connection of like that you guys were genuine friends in
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real life so fast. And I was like, immediately I
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was into the movie because it's not, it's hard to
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do that. You know, it's hard to establish something like that.
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And even I got the vibe right off the bat.
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You know, I saw the Caleb, the, uh, um, worker
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at the convenience store is just annoyed by you guys.
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And I was like, all right, so these guys are
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clearly kind of losers in town working at a mini
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golf or putt putt who, depending on who you ask course.
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And I love that you established that so quickly. Um, Like,
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I don't even know, like, I'm no writer, I'm no director,
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but I'm always impressed when you can get sucked into
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a movie that quickly. And where did the whole kind
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of 8-bit video game, where did that, what influenced, like,
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what influenced you guys to incorporate that into the movie?
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Because I love that aspect of it.
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So.
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That's a great question.
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And we have, like, we have, like, the really smart answer,
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which is that we planned it all ahead of time.
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And it was, like, it was such a, in pre-development, like,
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you know, early in pre-production, we've mapped everything out and
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have it all figured out.
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That's our, like, you know, we'll lead with that.
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But the actual truth is that, like any independent film,
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you know, you always run into time constraints and budget constraints.
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And the thing that I think we all really loved
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about this movie was just, like, it was so ambitious and, like.
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The story that we wanted to tell and what we
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wanted to express, you know, with it.
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And, um, so we wanted to shoot for the moon
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and there were just some things when it came to
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special effects and fight choreography that were just outside of
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the means of what we could do at the time.
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Right.
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So we honestly got put in a position where we
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were kind of like coming to the end of shooting
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and we were like, Oh man, like kind of ran
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into some of these, like, we don't have this chunk.
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Like, how are we going to do this?
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Like we're kind of at the end of our shooting,
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our shooting time.
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And, you know, collectively we came up with this idea.
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We're like, The whole movie is based around this video game,
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and the video game is kind of like an allegory
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for how these boys are viewing what's happening.
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They're using it as the central logic.
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So what if we incorporated that 8-bit video game style
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into the actual real world and kind of come in
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and out of those worlds? So honestly, it was something
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that came to us. I think on one of the
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last days of shooting, I think we were like, this
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is how we're going to do that.
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We were doing all of our church. fight choreography and stuff.
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And we're like, Oh, I don't know how we're going
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to do people flying in the air and shooting each
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other and stuff like that. So, um, but yeah, it's, it's,
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it to me too. It's like, it's one of my
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favorite parts of the film too. And you know, it
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was cool for Ben and Dylan to like, cause I'm
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such a huge video game nerd to give them, like
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they gave me the opportunity essentially to express myself really
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fully in their story by adding that contribution and really
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trusting me and like, oh, yeah, we're going to put
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this Dark Souls reference here, and oh, yeah, we're going
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to use this, you know, Castlevania reference there. And so, yeah,
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it really became, like, yeah, my favorite part.
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Of the project.
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I mean, every part of it's my favorite part, but
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that to me was, like, the thing that made it
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feel different and special from, like, what you normally see from, like,
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a first-time, you know, group of filmmakers.
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Caleb being modest, it.
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Was really his idea.
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We were like, when he was like, we should do
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these scenes as video game thing, and we're like, no,
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but people want to see our faces, right?
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That's what my mom said, you know?
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So it was like, trusting him was a bit like, alright,
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I guess we'll play around with that idea. And then
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it ended up so amazing, and some people's favorite parts
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over our faces, which is crazy, and we don't talk
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to those people anymore, but we get it, but But
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also like doing it was really fun because it was also,
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it was, you know, creating a new 8-bit that hadn't
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been made and also creating 8-bit music to it that
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hasn't been made. Mostly because we couldn't afford, you know,
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stuff that, that had been made.
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it was unbelievable.
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like musicians and, and the, our guy that made all
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the 8-bit stuff.
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Was like unbelievable. Ruan is just unbelievable. And it just
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led us to like, now we just want to make
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a video game.
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We're like screw making another film.
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We just want to make a video game.
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This would be sick.
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That was the most surprising part because we already knew
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that we would probably have to, actually I don't remember
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when this was in the process, but at some point
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we realized we were going to have to show the
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Gothic Slayers 4 arcade game. So we already kind of
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knew we were going to have to make that. And
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I remember we found Ruan to make the pixel art
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for that, and I remember we had to write out
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game it. We were having to, like, Ben and I
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were on, like, a shared Google Doc, and we were
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just kind of writing out this, like, scroller-type, Castlevania-esque-type game,
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and we were just writing stuff. They jump off a
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boat going through a river of blood, and now there
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are bats, and, like, you know, we were just writing
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it out, like, I don't know. You just never think
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that you're going to write something like that and actually
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see it get made. It's only like maybe 10 seconds
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of the movie, but it's such a rewarding part for
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me every time I see it because it's just like,
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oh my God, we made that. We literally wrote what
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is happening in this game and now it's happening. Also,
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just to see a pixel version of yourself is very exhilarating.
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Anyone born in the 90s on, you see that and
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you're like, oh my god, that is the coolest. I'm
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actively fighting a crow in pixel form. Why would I
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not want to see that?
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Oh, the crows. Oh my God. Okay. So you guys
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are 20 somethings in the movies, but how old are we?
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Let's all sound off here. I'm 19. Let's just, let's just,
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let's just age ourselves right now. I'm, I'm 1990. What
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about you, Dylan? 2009.
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Um, I, I, I, I'm, uh, I'm 93. I'm 93 baby. Ben,
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what about you?
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I can't say.
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Okay. For legal reasons.
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I don't remember back to that.
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I'm 93 as well.
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93?
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Okay. Caleb?
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94.
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Okay.
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So yes, we.
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Were all just like splitting distances.
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Just wait for the Wikipedia page to update tomorrow.
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We were still in our 20s when we filmed it.
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I'll say that.
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Oh, okay.
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I would say though that the moment caleb called that's
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a wrap yeah i aged 10 years over and i
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got the stress of making the movie caught up with
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me at the very end that's because we.
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Destroyed that portrait we had of you hiding in the back.
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Dorian gray style that wasn't that wonderful dorian gray and
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then they.
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Destroyed it oh my god oh Yeah, I really like
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those parts of the movie because I would so much rather...
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I think I said this in my review on social media.
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I would so much rather watch creative inserts due to
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budgetary reasons than terrible CG any day of the week.
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And those were so creative and so fun. And the
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crows fucking killed me every time. So I really enjoy that.
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And I think it's funny that that was a last
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minute addition because it felt so... part of the world.
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I mean, probably because the movie kind of starts with
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that eight bit feel right off the bat and you
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have all the funny sound effects going on as well.
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I really enjoyed that. So I particularly think that is
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one of the, like, it's a very strong idea that,
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that works so well. And for Caleb here, like when
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you sat, like when you got the script and you
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sat down to direct, was there anything since now that
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I know the eight bit thing was a later edition,
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was there any influence from, that you were chasing visually, like,
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when you started to make the movie?
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So I think, like, some of our biggest references and
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really what drew me to the piece the most was
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the friendship dynamic between Ben and Dylan.
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I really saw, like, the potential of, like, obviously knowing
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these guys and knowing that they were already friends, like,
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kind of makes that transition really easy. But knowing that
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there was all this potential to tell this, like, really
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endearing story about something that I felt like was really universal,
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which was like, you know, the trials of friendship and
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especially getting older and especially now being in our thirties,
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you know, I think we've all kind of like grown
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through this period of like, you know, we've, we've had
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friendships that have been tested and like whether they survive
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or whether they don't, which is something that I felt
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like was something that was going to connect really well.
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So like we, when I first read it, really what,
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what I wanted to chase was like building on that
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friendship dynamic and trying to make like every seen in
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every feeling kind of like have that be the central
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thing that we're kind of revolving, you know, uh, the,
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the scene around.
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So I pulled from references like.
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Um, hot fuzz, uh, you know, uh, Ben, uh, Bill
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and Ted's excellent adventure, um, express, uh, you know, like
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I really wanted to make this, you know, uh, this
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film that would just like, Put the boys front and center.
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Special guest appearance by Ben's dog there.
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Well, you don't see under the table of podcasts is
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your dog trying to.
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Eat your arm alive.
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I figured the audience should know the things that are happening,
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and the boy might go in a crate in a second.
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But anyway, continue.
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Yeah, so it was really, it was like a very, like,
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I think Edgar Wright was probably like my biggest, like,
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you know, inspiration on like what I was trying to
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tap into overall in the film.
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Just like, I love him as a director.
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I love, you know, the way that he creates those
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like character dynamics and how he translates that visually.
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So we kind of use that as like kind of
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the guiding light for it.
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But I think the really fun part was like outside
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of like those references, we really just wanted to make
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something that was totally our own. So I tried my
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best not to bring too much into production from.
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The pre-production just to keep it loose.
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And kind of like what you were saying, when things
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go wrong and you have to make quick adjustments or
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really big adjustments, like the 8-bit visualization we did, you
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kind of don't, I think as a director, you don't
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want to be locked into a particular, like, you know,
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style or, or, or mood. You want to be able
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to kind of move through whatever your actors are giving you, uh, whatever,
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just the production environment is kind of giving you, because
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then you create something different, something that's unique as opposed
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to just trying to emulate what's already been done.
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Well, that's funny you say that. Cause I definitely got
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some Edgar Wright, uh, vibes from the movie specifically with some,
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some of the editing and how some scenes were done.
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But going back to the references of like Pineapple Express
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and the friendships and stuff like that, I feel that
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as well because, yeah, like I said, from the beginning
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you get the idea that Ben and Dylan have been
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friends for quite some time. I mean, how long have
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you guys known each other in real life? 93.
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93.
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Too long.
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Too long.
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Now, 93 the year or 93 years?
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93 the year.
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Okay, got it.
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No, no.
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It's from the womb.
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No, we met in college, second year of college.
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Okay.
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We were in the same sort of acting cohort together.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and we really didn't know each other at all
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first year. We knew of each other, but we were
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in different groups. And then I think actually we met
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over the summer between the two years because Ben's from Maryland.
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our other friends from Maryland and I was going down
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there anyway. And he was like, Oh, I invited this guy,
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Ben Long. And I was like, come on. Like, I
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don't know this guy. I was like, great. I got
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to deal with like being on for this person. I
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barely know. And then literally within like, I don't know,
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10 minutes, Ben, I hit it off like immediately and
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going to like theater school and acting school. Like you
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meet a lot of people that like, and this is
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totally fine, but you meet a lot of people that are, they,
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want to be taken very seriously, want to explore all
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the depths of human emotion. And there are some of
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us who really liked Back to the Future as a
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kid and wanted to do stuff like that. So Ben
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and I hit it off almost immediately with just the
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kind of stuff we like. And also, I think junior
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year or so, we started writing together very dumb 10-minute things.
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Love it.
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And then.
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we just kept writing ever since then. So it, it
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wasn't hard for us to write. Even the things we
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wrote in the past, it was almost always like a
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version of Ben and me as the two leads. So
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it really wasn't too difficult to do that again for
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a full length type of movie.
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Yeah.
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And you know, horror comedies are, are a balancing act
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because you don't want to be too heavy handed on
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one end. But I think this one does a great
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job of kind of front loading a lot of comedy
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and before everything gets a little serious, but you guys
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still keep the lightness and comedic beats perfectly timed, especially
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with all the, you guys have so many good running jokes.
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And I'm wondering, how did you strike that balance as writers,
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knowing when to be funny and kind of when to
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lean into more serious bits?
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Yeah, I mean, I think we just, we kind of
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just wrote what we wanted to write, which was a
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nice way of going about it without thinking.
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About like, okay, we got it.
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We got to serve the one side here and we
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have to serve the other side there. It was really
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just like, okay, like story, story, story. And, and, and,
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you know, putting in, I honestly, I think we just
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tried to get in like as many jokes as we could,
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but without like, without losing the heart. And then I
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think a second part of that was that I think
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our earlier drafts didn't have as much heart in them
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as the later drafts did.
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And a big part of that was Caleb.
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Caleb was like, we really got to see like the
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friendship here and why they care about each other and stuff.
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And we're like, ew, gross, man.
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Don't make me feel.
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Because it's like about us, right?
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Like we don't want to talk about it that way
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with each other.
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So it was like, ew.
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But I mean, Caleb was right, you know?
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And we had to go back and write that stuff.
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And, you know, usually in a separate room from each other.
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did you actually write that you love this guy? And
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you're like, no, I didn't write that.
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No, no, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. I blacked
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out for that.
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But yeah, it wasn't, it was never, I don't think Dylan,
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did you ever feel like it was like, okay, we
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have to tell a joke here.
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We got to be serious here. It was, it just
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seemed like the moments were there.
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Like, like when my sister gets kidnapped, it was like, okay,
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well obviously he's.
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00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:39.609
Going to be really serious about it.
494
00:23:39.690 --> 00:23:42.549
And maybe, maybe Dylan's character is a little bit like
495
00:23:42.950 --> 00:23:46.970
still aloof on, on that. And, Um, and then, but
496
00:23:47.049 --> 00:23:51.130
still trying to get back to humor, like quickly after that. Uh,
497
00:23:51.190 --> 00:23:53.589
cause you know, that's how we all deal with, with
498
00:23:53.650 --> 00:23:56.430
our sisters being kidnapped, uh, in my experience.
499
00:23:56.829 --> 00:23:59.349
But, um, well, it did happen to us. This did
500
00:23:59.369 --> 00:24:00.009
all happen.
501
00:24:00.369 --> 00:24:02.309
I mean, it did start with me paying someone to
502
00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:06.130
kidnap my sister, but that's.
503
00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:06.390
A whole other story.
504
00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:09.750
That's a different podcast. And I will say also, I
505
00:24:10.849 --> 00:24:14.519
just love movies that, like this was honestly a thing
506
00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:16.380
i remember talking about a lot early on with ben
507
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.140
and caleb like i just like movies that take place
508
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:21.960
within like 24 hours or so like this does this
509
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.900
takes longer than 24 hours but it was so you
510
00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.700
hate our film i hate it because it's not 24
511
00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:31.319
hours you know it should have been one day yeah
512
00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:34.099
uh but it's easy it was easy to go from
513
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.789
scene to scene like because it's like Okay, that happened. So... Okay,
514
00:24:38.890 --> 00:24:43.180
that happened. So what happens next? Like, what's the logical
515
00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:46.220
next thing that would happen in a situation like this?
516
00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.299
And because of that, I think it was kind of
517
00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:50.539
easier at times to find where the jokes would come
518
00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:52.339
because we weren't having to play this game of, like,
519
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.069
all right, well, now the next scene takes place five
520
00:24:56.109 --> 00:24:58.890
days later in their lives. So, like, what do we
521
00:24:58.930 --> 00:25:00.750
need to catch up on now? What do we need to, like,
522
00:25:00.809 --> 00:25:01.390
say next?
523
00:25:01.990 --> 00:25:02.740
But....
524
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.240
In terms of adding comedy and stuff, not to go
525
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.180
back to it, but when we added the pixel stuff,
526
00:25:10.470 --> 00:25:15.170
there were plenty more opportunities for jokes that hadn't even been... Honestly,
527
00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:19.440
the crow thing... The crow thing. literally happened like almost
528
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:21.799
in the recording studio for like the art.
529
00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:26.730
Pro actors were terrible it was insane you.
530
00:25:26.829 --> 00:25:29.109
Wouldn't believe what it would have been like.
531
00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:32.410
Nightmare yeah and whatever you're imagining like in costumes or
532
00:25:32.509 --> 00:25:35.339
actual crows we had all the sexier sex all of
533
00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:36.000
it it was.
534
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.359
Sexy but it just didn't work okay yeah yeah I.
535
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.000
Was going to say, that was going to be one
536
00:25:41.019 --> 00:25:42.539
of my questions, is where did you find all these
537
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:47.180
good-looking people for this movie? Because every single person on screen,
538
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:49.380
I'm like, I'm falling in love with this person. Oh,
539
00:25:49.420 --> 00:25:52.099
my God. Who's the friend that knows all of these
540
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.789
good-looking people? Who is it?
541
00:25:53.829 --> 00:25:55.650
Rank Dylan and Ben right now.
542
00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:59.589
Rank Dylan and Ben. I mean, 10 out of 10.
543
00:25:59.589 --> 00:26:00.809
I mean, there's no denying.
544
00:26:00.829 --> 00:26:02.869
No, no, no. You have to pick one over the other.
545
00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:03.769
No, I can't.
546
00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:04.589
You have to choose.
547
00:26:04.630 --> 00:26:07.049
Then I have to pick Caleb. I have to go
548
00:26:07.089 --> 00:26:08.789
with Caleb. That's smart.
549
00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:13.519
Yeah. That's a smart decision.
550
00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:18.559
Uh, so let's see, where was I? All these notes. Um,
551
00:26:19.569 --> 00:26:20.420
I lose myself.
552
00:26:20.589 --> 00:26:22.509
I just, where do we find all the sexy people?
553
00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:22.609
Yeah.
554
00:26:23.130 --> 00:26:25.529
Where did you find all the sex? I mean, cause
555
00:26:25.750 --> 00:26:28.029
the thing I love about this movie too, uh, cause
556
00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:30.349
there's a lot of things to love one. I got
557
00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:32.150
to go back to the scene. Uh, I think right
558
00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:34.069
before the sister gets kidnapped, when you guys are in
559
00:26:34.089 --> 00:26:37.309
the little fort and she interjects herself and, scares the
560
00:26:37.329 --> 00:26:40.789
shit out of you. One phenomenal kid actor, which is
561
00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:43.289
very hard to come by. Usually kid actors are really
562
00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:45.009
good or really bad. And even the kid that was
563
00:26:45.109 --> 00:26:49.539
at the putt-putt course, he was hilarious as well. Literally,
564
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.140
I don't think I've seen an indie movie in quite
565
00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:55.799
some time where everyone on screen was great. I mean,
566
00:26:56.099 --> 00:26:57.500
where did you find all these talented people?
567
00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.180
Austin, I'm going to blow your mind.
568
00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:03.710
That kid actress that was playing my sister, 65 years old.
569
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:03.960
Holy shit.
570
00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:09.480
What's her skincare routine? Cause I need that. It's crazy.
571
00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:10.799
And she will not tell anyone.
572
00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:17.640
Uh, it's no, actually, but actually though, she's an adult.
573
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:20.589
She's not 65, but I wanted to blow your mind
574
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.589
even crazier. But, um, but she's an adult with a
575
00:27:23.630 --> 00:27:26.029
husband and stuff. And we were like, what we, it
576
00:27:26.049 --> 00:27:29.529
was so crazy. because she looked so young we kept
577
00:27:29.730 --> 00:27:32.250
we kept being like we would talk to her kind
578
00:27:32.289 --> 00:27:35.839
of like a kid yeah also walk out to her
579
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.960
car and drive away and we're like oh shit to
580
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.319
be fair to be fair ben and i were filming
581
00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:46.009
the tent scene when she showed up so ben and
582
00:27:46.029 --> 00:27:48.910
i stuck in the tent the entire day basically and
583
00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:52.059
then when we meet her she was already in costume.
584
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.319
Like she was already in like her Girl Scout costume.
585
00:27:55.420 --> 00:28:00.019
So we're like, hi, like, how are you doing? And
586
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:01.220
she's like, I'm good.
587
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:01.339
Yeah.
588
00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:03.269
I just got from my husband. And we'd be like,
589
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:04.549
Oh my God, that's right.
590
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:05.619
You are not.
591
00:28:05.380 --> 00:28:09.210
Actually a child. It was really, it was trippy. She
592
00:28:09.250 --> 00:28:11.390
was great though. She was fantastic. Uh, we did, we
593
00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:11.750
did a.
594
00:28:11.750 --> 00:28:14.789
Casting call, um, as you do for films.
595
00:28:15.109 --> 00:28:18.279
Um, Uh, and that's where we got most of our people.
596
00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:20.740
Uh, and I will say we didn't have any callbacks,
597
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.660
which was crazy.
598
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:22.460
Wow.
599
00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:24.720
Uh, and let that just be a note to all those,
600
00:28:25.099 --> 00:28:28.700
you know, other people shooting their films. I, as an actor,
601
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:29.859
I'm so annoyed by callbacks.
602
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.859
I'm just like, you know, but, uh, but we knew
603
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:35.680
who we wanted. We got all of our top choices,
604
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:36.279
which was crazy.
605
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:37.819
But, uh, and then there were like a couple of
606
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:40.440
friends sprinkled in there and some crazy things. So like
607
00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:44.509
the other kid, the, the actual kid, um, That was
608
00:28:44.609 --> 00:28:46.990
at the putt-putt that hit my, he's actually 72. No,
609
00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:53.069
he was like a friend's, like my mom's friend's kid
610
00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:56.380
back home who had never acted before and then could
611
00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:59.660
memorize lines like crazy. We were super lucked out because
612
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.019
we were shooting in this small town where it's not
613
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.900
really known as a acting town other than producing me.
614
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.220
But it was just like kind of crazy that way.
615
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:14.390
And then like the guy who played Well, our friend Dan,
616
00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:17.089
who played Cody, we went to school with.
617
00:29:17.509 --> 00:29:19.210
Okay. Do we have any other friends in this?
618
00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:24.829
My dad makes a cameo as the.
619
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.619
Janitor in the arcade.
620
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:26.859
Love it. Okay.
621
00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:29.779
Yeah, but it was crazy.
622
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.480
We just met these great people who we've stayed in
623
00:29:32.539 --> 00:29:33.220
contact with.
624
00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:37.390
Sam, actually, who played... uh, yeah.
625
00:29:38.210 --> 00:29:41.789
Uh, who played my love interest in the thing was from, uh, NYU.
626
00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:43.650
So we knew her from that, but she, we made
627
00:29:43.690 --> 00:29:50.799
her audition. So it's one of those fun things when you're,
628
00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:53.319
you make your friend, you're like, you're like, I think
629
00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:54.099
you'd be great for this.
630
00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:55.859
And they're like, awesome. And you're like, but we love
631
00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:57.750
to see you actually.
632
00:29:57.529 --> 00:30:00.390
Make a tape for this i'm not gonna hand you
633
00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:02.359
the role but.
634
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.759
Yeah everyone that uh like ben said this kind of
635
00:30:04.779 --> 00:30:08.500
already but everyone we wanted to be basically got and
636
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.430
wow it was basically fully just off of their tape
637
00:30:13.450 --> 00:30:15.890
like their first tape they sent in and it was
638
00:30:15.950 --> 00:30:18.950
just so obvious most of the time like like really
639
00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:22.950
someone we do all these tapes and Not that they
640
00:30:22.970 --> 00:30:24.990
were all terrible, but we'd see some that were like, oh,
641
00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:28.089
that's close. Like, there's a world in which we could
642
00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:33.089
make this work. And then we would see, you know, like, Quinns,
643
00:30:33.529 --> 00:30:37.730
who plays Becca, the other goth cult girl. Like, she
644
00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:41.609
submits hers, and it's like, oh, my God. Obviously, Piper
645
00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:45.089
as well plays Jenny. Like, literally, we were scouring for
646
00:30:45.170 --> 00:30:49.029
so long for the Jenny character. And then Ben found
647
00:30:49.069 --> 00:30:50.470
the tape first, and he was like, you got to
648
00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:53.349
watch this one. And it was just so, it was
649
00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:56.250
like making us laugh, which is, that was the biggest takeaway.
650
00:30:56.269 --> 00:30:59.349
It was like any tape that would make us like laugh,
651
00:30:59.569 --> 00:31:01.970
like for real, it was like, okay, this is probably
652
00:31:01.990 --> 00:31:04.390
the person we should go with because they had an
653
00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:05.349
understanding of it.
654
00:31:06.069 --> 00:31:10.490
Piper admitted later that she kind of played hard to get.
655
00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:12.490
And so I reached out and was like, hey, I
656
00:31:12.509 --> 00:31:15.630
just want to like check your availability. And she was like,
657
00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:17.430
you know, I'm supposed to be shooting this other film.
658
00:31:18.170 --> 00:31:19.059
And like blah, blah, blah.
659
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:21.299
And it did work because we were kind of like, oh.
660
00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:22.460
My God, we got to lock it down.
661
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:23.259
We were freaking out.
662
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.700
We were like, we got to move the dates. We
663
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:25.559
got to do the thing.
664
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:26.759
And then we came back and we were like, we
665
00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:28.440
can't move the dates, but they just are what they are.
666
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:29.720
And she's like, okay, I'll try to.
667
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:30.200
Make it work.
668
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:31.380
And then we made it work.
669
00:31:31.779 --> 00:31:33.900
And then later on, she was like, I just want
670
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.869
you to know that movie like wasn't really real.
671
00:31:37.029 --> 00:31:37.769
Wow.
672
00:31:37.809 --> 00:31:41.750
She also couldn't, she also can't drive. I don't, I
673
00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:43.849
think she still can't drive. I mean, a whole scene
674
00:31:43.869 --> 00:31:47.210
where she, is driving the car. It's like a very
675
00:31:47.390 --> 00:31:49.130
big part of the movie that she's driving her car.
676
00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:51.650
And we wanted her for the part so badly that
677
00:31:51.670 --> 00:31:53.950
we were willing to change it to have Dan's character
678
00:31:53.970 --> 00:31:56.609
drive the car. And she's sitting in the backseat for
679
00:31:56.630 --> 00:31:59.470
some reason. Okay, no, that's okay. We can make this work.
680
00:31:59.490 --> 00:32:01.140
It doesn't matter. Like, it's worth it. It's worth it.
681
00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:05.519
Oh, goodness. I love this so much. Yeah, that's crazy how...
682
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.559
Because usually that's not how it works. You have to
683
00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:10.660
go through all these choices. But to get everyone that
684
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.980
you wanted... pretty much right off the bat, is quite amazing.
685
00:32:14.019 --> 00:32:18.039
I think one of my favorite, probably, side characters has
686
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.039
got to be, I don't know who played Orlando, the
687
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.630
guy in the cornfield, but he was 10 out of 10,
688
00:32:23.619 --> 00:32:27.549
loved him. He was great, and then, of course, I
689
00:32:27.710 --> 00:32:29.529
really enjoy, I mean, she's not a side character, but
690
00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:33.710
I really enjoyed Chloe as well. The cult leader, though,
691
00:32:33.769 --> 00:32:36.970
he was great, and I don't remember, I was trying
692
00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:39.339
to scroll through to find him in the listing, but
693
00:32:39.380 --> 00:32:42.660
I can't seem... Oh, is it Jason Bernard? Is that him?
694
00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:43.619
Yeah.
695
00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:45.839
Yeah. He was great as well. I just, it's, it's
696
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:49.609
just crazy to me how usually in indie films, there's
697
00:32:49.650 --> 00:32:51.589
like that one person or a couple of people that
698
00:32:51.609 --> 00:32:54.210
just are like, Oh, you're almost at the level. But
699
00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:56.890
for me, I, everyone was just on the same page
700
00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:59.089
and it works so well, which for me, you know,
701
00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:02.599
acting is obviously one of the things that can take
702
00:33:02.619 --> 00:33:04.440
you out of a film if it's not good. So
703
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.240
to have all of these very talented people involved, I
704
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.289
think it was incredible. Um, so props to you for that.
705
00:33:10.329 --> 00:33:12.289
And not only do you have a great cast, you have,
706
00:33:12.349 --> 00:33:15.069
I mean, the, the movie looks great. You have all
707
00:33:15.089 --> 00:33:17.230
of those fun inserts. And I still can't believe that
708
00:33:17.259 --> 00:33:20.160
those were like a last minute idea because it literally
709
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.559
feels like the driving narrative.
710
00:33:22.299 --> 00:33:24.400
Um, don't tell anyone. Don't put that in a podcast.
711
00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:26.059
No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not, I'm not
712
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:34.269
recording this at all. Oh goodness. So, uh, is there
713
00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:38.779
anything like, is there any backstory that exists that never
714
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.059
made it on screen? Like, did you do a lot
715
00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:45.299
of character development? For Ben and Dylan? Or did you
716
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.839
kind of just go by the, like, fly by the
717
00:33:47.859 --> 00:33:49.539
seat of your pants with your characters?
718
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:50.920
I mean, there was a world.
719
00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:54.289
We did a whole backstory of, like, the cult, basically. Like,
720
00:33:54.789 --> 00:33:56.130
we were like, we got to sit down and, like,
721
00:33:56.170 --> 00:33:57.869
figure out what this cult is. I think there was,
722
00:33:57.890 --> 00:34:00.150
we were trying to take the easy route of, like,
723
00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:02.559
just kind of just going with it. And we were like,
724
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:04.920
this is, there are too many things that we need
725
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.500
answered in our minds to keep going without creating this backstory.
726
00:34:09.579 --> 00:34:10.280
So we did that.
727
00:34:11.139 --> 00:34:13.219
Uh, in terms of us, I think because we were
728
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:14.929
kind of basing it off of the two of us,
729
00:34:14.989 --> 00:34:17.329
we did, we didn't do a crazy backstory on that.
730
00:34:17.369 --> 00:34:21.309
I think we understood like that it's in the film,
731
00:34:21.329 --> 00:34:24.110
but it's like my character wanted more and Dylan, you know,
732
00:34:24.190 --> 00:34:26.590
wanted kind of the status quo and, and, and where
733
00:34:26.630 --> 00:34:27.070
we go.
734
00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:28.809
To, where we go from there.
735
00:34:29.530 --> 00:34:32.030
But one fun thing that didn't make it was we
736
00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:35.050
really want, well, there were two things. One was we
737
00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:37.570
wanted this whole scene where like the cult, when they
738
00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:39.550
leave the church, they were going to go take over
739
00:34:39.610 --> 00:34:42.059
the town. And, we were going to do this whole
740
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:46.579
scene on the main street of my hometown. And, uh,
741
00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:49.820
we just, we just didn't have time to shoot that. Um,
742
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:51.659
and we had like at the time told the mayor
743
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.219
that he was going to have a role in the film.
744
00:34:54.619 --> 00:34:57.650
Didn't have time to do that. Um, and then that's
745
00:34:57.670 --> 00:34:59.630
the best way to get anything done for your movie
746
00:34:59.650 --> 00:35:01.389
is you just tell the mayor, Hey, we're going to
747
00:35:01.429 --> 00:35:02.690
put you in the movie.
748
00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:03.650
Yep.
749
00:35:03.809 --> 00:35:04.010
Yep.
750
00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:05.769
Where I said that.
751
00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:09.190
Yep. Then the other thing was like, we were going
752
00:35:09.210 --> 00:35:10.860
to do one of these like fun sort of, I
753
00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:15.639
saw it a lot done in scrubs where the thing,
754
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:19.400
the action continues and you think this thing has happened
755
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.159
and then it kind of rewinds and you realize that
756
00:35:22.179 --> 00:35:23.989
that thing never happened. And we were going to do
757
00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:26.750
that when my sister tells me to go to, uh,
758
00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:30.090
the police station and we were going to go and
759
00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:31.550
then the police were going to go round up the
760
00:35:31.590 --> 00:35:34.809
cult and the mayor, this was the mayor's part was
761
00:35:34.829 --> 00:35:36.050
he was going to give us the key to the
762
00:35:36.090 --> 00:35:38.820
city and, uh, Dylan was going to be with Jenny
763
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.900
and they were going to have kids and it like,
764
00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:42.400
it was all just like going to do it. And
765
00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:45.010
then it was going to like smash cut to the
766
00:35:45.150 --> 00:35:47.889
police cop laughing at us, which ends up happening in
767
00:35:47.909 --> 00:35:50.570
the film. We did not have time to do any
768
00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:52.730
of that shit. We were like, what can we cut?
769
00:35:52.809 --> 00:35:55.429
And it was like that, which killed me. And I
770
00:35:55.469 --> 00:35:56.250
think at a point I.
771
00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:58.010
Was like, Dylan, why do we even make this movie?
772
00:35:58.030 --> 00:35:58.880
We can't do this thing.
773
00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:03.980
It was Ben's number one thing. This is so stupid.
774
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:05.699
The movie does not need that.
775
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.780
And I was like, I think the whole reason I'm
776
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:09.139
making it.
777
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:13.139
It turns out montages are a bitch to film because
778
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.539
you have to have like a thousand locations. Now, whenever
779
00:36:16.579 --> 00:36:19.239
we're writing something, I'm like, oh, my God, we're writing
780
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.300
a montage again. Like we can't keep doing this to ourselves.
781
00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:26.369
Another scene that did not make the cut that I
782
00:36:26.409 --> 00:36:28.570
always forget even was in the script until I kind
783
00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:30.489
of like look back at it. We had a whole
784
00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:35.050
scene where Ben and Dylan are running away from the
785
00:36:35.090 --> 00:36:38.409
two cult girls. Like after, I think it was like,
786
00:36:38.750 --> 00:36:41.949
so like we find out they've kidnapped the sister, I think.
787
00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:42.449
Or no, no, no.
788
00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:44.530
It was this whole thing where we, when we were
789
00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:47.739
hiding in the bathroom, like when we're at, we're having like,
790
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.840
I don't know, lunch or whatever it is with them.
791
00:36:51.380 --> 00:36:51.639
Oh yeah.
792
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.219
We run away and we were going to have the
793
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:55.880
cool girls like chase us and they're looking for us
794
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.739
and they can't find us. And then a wide shot
795
00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.389
where they're like, well, we don't know where they are.
796
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.500
Let's go back and kidnap the sister instead. And then
797
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.000
we like pull back and we see that Ben and
798
00:37:03.019 --> 00:37:06.179
Dylan are hiding on a roof of a house. And
799
00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:10.280
the mom, it's like, it's the boy who the kid
800
00:37:10.300 --> 00:37:12.199
at the beginning of the movie, it's his house. And
801
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.239
he like rats us out to his mom. And then
802
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:18.320
it would smash cut to us having to clean the
803
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.079
gutters for her while we're up there.
804
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.420
Like, like as, like punishment like.
805
00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:26.460
Oh sorry yeah exactly and you know there was a
806
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:29.059
i remember there's a scout day earlier when we first
807
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.019
were going to ben's hometown to like scout it out
808
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.440
i remember we were like scouting roofs do you remember
809
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.440
that we were like which one of these houses could
810
00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:36.019
we get up.
811
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.619
On yeah it was crazy well and i wanted i
812
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.050
had this house like in mind and it used to
813
00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:45.059
be my grandfather's house and uh, someone else owns it now.
814
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:45.920
Because he's dead.
815
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.280
And, but I don't know why I had to say
816
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.960
like that, but, uh, foreclosure, but I, I, I like
817
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.860
contacted them and I was like, you know, it's my
818
00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:56.389
grandfather's house and you know, and they were like, yeah,
819
00:37:56.409 --> 00:37:57.369
of course you can shoot here.
820
00:37:57.409 --> 00:37:58.730
And I was like, it would be on the roof.
821
00:37:58.809 --> 00:38:02.570
And they were like, no, that's fair.
822
00:38:02.630 --> 00:38:03.789
That's fair.
823
00:38:05.570 --> 00:38:06.489
Grandpa wanted it.
824
00:38:06.489 --> 00:38:07.139
Yeah.
825
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:08.980
He would really want us to get on that roof.
826
00:38:12.329 --> 00:38:14.090
Well, one of my questions was going to be, was
827
00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:17.170
there any limitations that forced you to make different decisions?
828
00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:22.429
But we've answered that with the inserts. But Caleb, during
829
00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:25.489
the directing of this movie, I feel like I've made
830
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.059
one short film that has said I'm still editing because
831
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:32.099
I'm realizing editing is not my thing. I need to
832
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.679
be behind the camera. Was there a moment where you
833
00:38:34.699 --> 00:38:36.659
guys were just like, we're never going to finish this?
834
00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:39.000
This is never going to happen? Did that moment ever
835
00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:40.489
occur to you? or happen?
836
00:38:40.929 --> 00:38:41.619
Every day.
837
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:42.260
Every day.
838
00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:42.639
Okay.
839
00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:45.460
All right.
840
00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:49.760
Okay. So I, I love telling this story because I
841
00:38:49.820 --> 00:38:52.579
think it is like, I think as like a filmmaker,
842
00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:56.260
it is like the, the perfect representation of what I
843
00:38:56.300 --> 00:38:58.079
think your first real.
844
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.920
Big project should go and feel like.
845
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:01.340
Okay.
846
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.949
At least myself that, uh, day one, we were supposed
847
00:39:04.989 --> 00:39:07.550
to shoot all of our cornfield scenes. Cause essentially what
848
00:39:07.590 --> 00:39:10.440
we had done was, uh, Um, we had asked the
849
00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:12.840
man who owned this land, who owned this cornfield to
850
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.519
like wait to harvest his crop so that.
851
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:16.719
We could shoot this scene.
852
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:20.690
Um, and so he did, he waited like, what was it?
853
00:39:20.690 --> 00:39:23.039
He waited like an extra two weeks for us or
854
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:24.929
something like that. Oh, shit.
855
00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:28.050
And we get there to shoot on day one and
856
00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:32.699
just pouring down rain, you know, just like, which.
857
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:33.539
You can kind of tell.
858
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:34.960
Flooding, like literal flooding.
859
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:36.039
Oh, shit.
860
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:38.960
There's some shots where like Ben and Dylan, when they're
861
00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:40.739
sitting on the couch and stuff, like you can tell
862
00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:44.059
that it's rainy, it's wet, they're getting kind of rained on,
863
00:39:44.179 --> 00:39:47.260
but Um, you know, it kind of just put like,
864
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.780
it was, it was such a monumental, it was like
865
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.800
a mountain that we had to like overcome and, you know,
866
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.679
it got so wet. We had to like cancel, like,
867
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.900
you know, the second half of the day, um, the
868
00:39:58.940 --> 00:40:02.130
production van that I was driving got stuck in the mud, um,
869
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:06.170
like on location. So we sent the crew away, like
870
00:40:06.210 --> 00:40:09.010
sent them, sent them back. And I, I stayed with
871
00:40:09.469 --> 00:40:11.510
one of the production vehicles. And so I'm sitting in,
872
00:40:11.889 --> 00:40:14.800
I'm sitting in the, in the van. I called my,
873
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.920
she was my fiance at the time, wife now, but
874
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:19.780
I called her with tears running down my face.
875
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.119
And I was like, I made the biggest mistake of
876
00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:24.980
my life. I can't believe this movie's never going to
877
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:25.579
get made.
878
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:26.389
It's day one.
879
00:40:26.429 --> 00:40:28.050
Look how terrible this all is.
880
00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:31.429
And, and we had come, I had come to find
881
00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:33.150
out cause like I didn't, I was, I was strong
882
00:40:33.349 --> 00:40:36.909
in the moment for, for Ben and Dylan, but it
883
00:40:36.929 --> 00:40:38.590
was like the same exact thing. It was happening on
884
00:40:38.630 --> 00:40:40.130
the other end of these boys too.
885
00:40:40.150 --> 00:40:42.130
Cause it was, it was just such a punch in
886
00:40:42.150 --> 00:40:42.469
the gut.
887
00:40:43.289 --> 00:40:46.860
And God, day one, that's, that's rough. That's rough.
888
00:40:46.909 --> 00:40:49.420
It was crazy because yeah, we found out like I
889
00:40:49.460 --> 00:40:50.440
was crying in my room.
890
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:52.460
I was like, this is never going to happen. Like,
891
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.199
this is crazy. And then it was funny.
892
00:40:54.219 --> 00:40:56.760
It was like, Caleb and I are like going through it,
893
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.900
hell and Dylan too. And, and then we roll up to,
894
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.920
I don't, I don't think Caleb came, but rolled up
895
00:41:02.980 --> 00:41:06.360
to like this Chinese restaurant where like we kind of
896
00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.969
sent everyone and like, and most of the cast wasn't
897
00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:13.070
on that day. And, Like they had just gotten into
898
00:41:13.130 --> 00:41:15.489
town and they're like, they're having the time of their lives.
899
00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:17.889
They're ordering like Kung Pao chicken and shit. And they're
900
00:41:17.929 --> 00:41:21.150
just like chowing down and they're having fun. And I'm
901
00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:23.909
just like, how can anyone be having fun right now?
902
00:41:24.929 --> 00:41:27.730
We're doing, we don't have a movie anymore. This was like,
903
00:41:27.889 --> 00:41:29.750
it was like a crazy, like, I was like, I
904
00:41:29.809 --> 00:41:31.659
have to remove my, I think I just left. I
905
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:32.510
was like, I can't be here.
906
00:41:33.329 --> 00:41:34.949
Like, I got a to-go container and was just like,
907
00:41:34.989 --> 00:41:37.170
I can't do this. But it was crazy.
908
00:41:37.190 --> 00:41:40.159
I'll be fully honest. I don't– I want to make
909
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:41.860
it clear. I was not going through it as hard
910
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:42.079
as Ben.
911
00:41:42.099 --> 00:41:44.699
Okay, I didn't want to say it.
912
00:41:44.739 --> 00:41:46.579
I was like, he was having fun with the actors.
913
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.159
I don't need– I don't want there to be this
914
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.239
rewrite of history. I was having a blast. No, I
915
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.590
was like– I don't know. To be completely honest, I
916
00:41:56.610 --> 00:42:01.090
was partially on, like, cast morale dude where i was
917
00:42:01.289 --> 00:42:02.969
like i would be with them and i'd be like
918
00:42:03.030 --> 00:42:06.139
everything's good don't because i was aware of these conversations
919
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.260
having with ben and caleb and i was like you
920
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.300
know we don't want it spreading that like we're panicking
921
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.539
right now so there were definitely days where they'd be
922
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.219
like is everything like how's it going on the other
923
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.440
side i'm like it's going well man that's going really
924
00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:21.590
well like meanwhile i know for a fact that like
925
00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:23.329
there's a part another part of that story with the
926
00:42:23.369 --> 00:42:25.309
cornfield was that we had gone to the guy to
927
00:42:25.329 --> 00:42:27.670
be like can we come back what was it like
928
00:42:27.730 --> 00:42:30.070
next weekend or something like that? And they were like,
929
00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.829
we're literally, or a day later.
930
00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:35.219
No, actually what happened was we shot an extra day there.
931
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:38.119
And then, you know, you don't look at the footage
932
00:42:38.179 --> 00:42:41.059
really until that weekend. Cause you're just moving, moving, moving.
933
00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:43.039
And Caleb was looking at it and was like, you know,
934
00:42:43.059 --> 00:42:44.619
we missed a couple of things that we need.
935
00:42:44.659 --> 00:42:48.179
And we were like, okay, we'll just go. It was crazy.
936
00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:49.139
We'll just go this weekend.
937
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.760
And one of our other producers was like, No, you
938
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:54.420
have to rest and blah, blah, blah. And we were like,
939
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.260
fuck that. We're going and shooting this thing. So literally,
940
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:02.360
we didn't tell anyone. Dylan, Caleb, our DP, Talyn, and
941
00:43:02.449 --> 00:43:06.809
I just got in this van, didn't tell anyone, just left.
942
00:43:06.829 --> 00:43:09.429
And we drive up to the cornfield, and it's all
943
00:43:09.530 --> 00:43:10.130
mowed down.
944
00:43:10.409 --> 00:43:12.050
It's gone. It's already gone.
945
00:43:12.090 --> 00:43:13.409
And we were like, oh, my God.
946
00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:18.010
And luckily, I live in this freaking rural corn town
947
00:43:18.030 --> 00:43:22.730
where– We drove like 15 minutes and by some stroke
948
00:43:22.789 --> 00:43:27.780
of luck, this other farmer hadn't mowed down their corn.
949
00:43:27.820 --> 00:43:29.980
And we were like, okay, we should go ask their permission.
950
00:43:30.019 --> 00:43:32.219
And then we were like, no, we shouldn't. They're never
951
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.199
going to let us do this. And we just kind
952
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:34.780
of like.
953
00:43:34.699 --> 00:43:36.699
Snuck into the cornfield and shot the scene.
954
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:37.550
I love it.
955
00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:38.710
And then didn't end up using it.
956
00:43:40.610 --> 00:43:43.550
We ended up doing the eight bit of, it was
957
00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:47.269
a bright, beautiful day. So it didn't match at all.
958
00:43:47.949 --> 00:43:49.750
But we have this great memory now of the four
959
00:43:49.789 --> 00:43:51.909
of us, like sneaking into a cornfield. Like it felt
960
00:43:51.929 --> 00:43:53.769
like I was like six years old. And honestly, I
961
00:43:53.809 --> 00:43:55.909
was like, is this like a high school thing I
962
00:43:55.929 --> 00:43:56.909
would have done? Probably.
963
00:43:56.929 --> 00:43:59.050
Well, and the last thing I'll say about like, not
964
00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:02.449
thinking we'd finished, we, we wrapped up production a week
965
00:44:02.550 --> 00:44:06.030
early in Maryland and, Cause we just weren't ready for
966
00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:09.309
like the finale and things. And we, we came to
967
00:44:09.349 --> 00:44:12.010
this decision that we would go shoot in LA a
968
00:44:12.650 --> 00:44:17.389
month later now, or two months later. And that decision
969
00:44:17.469 --> 00:44:19.789
was like a crazy decision. Cause it was like, we're
970
00:44:19.809 --> 00:44:23.610
sending everyone away. We'd have to get everyone back, whatever.
971
00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:25.329
And we were also going to shoot at the end
972
00:44:25.369 --> 00:44:28.789
of January and this is still prime COVID time. Yeah.
973
00:44:29.130 --> 00:44:31.590
And we're like, everyone's going to have been together with
974
00:44:31.610 --> 00:44:34.809
their family for Christmas and then for new year's. someone's
975
00:44:34.849 --> 00:44:37.300
bound to get COVID in the cast because we had
976
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.090
a pretty big cast.
977
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.159
No one got COVID.
978
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.760
It was, it was insane. It was, it just all
979
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.039
lucked out. And we, we powered through. I mean, we
980
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.699
were like, and credit to Caleb too. He was like,
981
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.289
it was the thing where I was like, we can't
982
00:44:50.329 --> 00:44:52.550
send people away from Maryland. We're never going to finish this.
983
00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:54.690
And he was like, I promise we're going to finish this.
984
00:44:54.889 --> 00:44:56.849
And I was like, okay, we'll see.
985
00:44:57.050 --> 00:44:58.210
But, and I got it done.
986
00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:00.989
And then it rained day one in LA. Hey, it's
987
00:45:01.050 --> 00:45:01.590
not going to rain.
988
00:45:01.690 --> 00:45:03.650
It's, it's sunny 365 out of the year, you.
989
00:45:03.530 --> 00:45:12.500
Know, and day one, it rained, but I, Like as
990
00:45:12.539 --> 00:45:15.239
a filmmaker, I love like talking about this because like
991
00:45:15.380 --> 00:45:17.400
after the first day and the challenges that we had
992
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:18.780
and like the end of the world that we felt
993
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.239
like it was going to be, you know, we pushed
994
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.139
through that and we came in the next day and
995
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:24.980
we came in with the intention of like, we're going
996
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:26.699
to work our absolute hardest and we're going to do
997
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.900
the best possible job that we can do with what's
998
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.480
given to us. And then from there on, like, of course,
999
00:45:33.579 --> 00:45:35.840
you know, things happen. There's always going to be problems
1000
00:45:35.860 --> 00:45:38.449
that come up, but the experience was like day and
1001
00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:40.300
night from like, if I would have given up on
1002
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.630
that day one, I would have missed out on like
1003
00:45:42.670 --> 00:45:45.630
the best experience of my life. Like so many memories
1004
00:45:45.670 --> 00:45:48.320
that I still like think about fondly, you know, all
1005
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:49.099
these years later.
1006
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:51.960
And he's got, he's, he's got married like this past year.
1007
00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:53.519
He has the.
1008
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:54.599
Best experience of his life.
1009
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:55.940
I just want his wife to know that.
1010
00:45:55.980 --> 00:46:03.599
You know, it's like, as a filmmaker and to other filmmakers, like,
1011
00:46:03.820 --> 00:46:07.420
you know, don't run from those, like those problems and
1012
00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:10.420
that overwhelming feeling that like everything is going wrong and
1013
00:46:10.460 --> 00:46:12.699
it's never going to get done. If you can push
1014
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:14.659
past that and you, and you go in with the
1015
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:17.329
intention of like, I'm going to do the absolute best
1016
00:46:17.409 --> 00:46:19.590
I can. I'm going to work as hard as I
1017
00:46:19.630 --> 00:46:23.630
possibly can. Like it became, you know, what it is today,
1018
00:46:23.730 --> 00:46:27.530
which like, again, day one, I thought it was all over.
1019
00:46:27.550 --> 00:46:31.840
And now it's like, my proudest accomplishment over getting married,
1020
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:34.360
you know, you know, it's.
1021
00:46:34.610 --> 00:46:36.179
It's, it's stuck with me.
1022
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:41.230
So it's also like, and that same on the same point,
1023
00:46:41.269 --> 00:46:44.369
like I think of the beauty of like making an
1024
00:46:44.449 --> 00:46:49.030
indie and like allowing yourself to roll with the punches
1025
00:46:49.090 --> 00:46:50.650
on a good indie film is that you do come
1026
00:46:51.590 --> 00:46:54.710
up with these discoveries, like while you're already making the movie.
1027
00:46:54.789 --> 00:46:58.239
Like, I don't think, that is normal on like a
1028
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.840
larger scale production. But the fact that like on day one,
1029
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.159
we didn't know that there was going to be a
1030
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:07.039
pixel aspect on day one. We thought that the climax
1031
00:47:07.059 --> 00:47:08.619
of the scene was, or of the movie was going
1032
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.329
to be like woods in Ireland. Uh, like that church,
1033
00:47:14.369 --> 00:47:16.750
that whole class in the church, that's a location we
1034
00:47:16.789 --> 00:47:21.409
found in LA literally in the hiatus between, uh, shooting
1035
00:47:21.449 --> 00:47:23.929
in Maryland and shooting in LA. And, and there were
1036
00:47:23.949 --> 00:47:26.239
just so many times where that would happen, where we
1037
00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:29.019
would find something or come up with, come up with
1038
00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:31.340
an idea where it's like, how did that not, how
1039
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.159
was that not always what it was going to be?
1040
00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:36.820
Like the church is so perfect for the ending. Um,
1041
00:47:37.610 --> 00:47:40.789
the fact I can't picture the ending any other, other
1042
00:47:40.829 --> 00:47:41.170
way now.
1043
00:47:41.469 --> 00:47:41.570
Right.
1044
00:47:41.610 --> 00:47:45.989
And that 100%, should not have been where the movie happened.
1045
00:47:46.010 --> 00:47:47.150
You know what I mean? Like that, there is no
1046
00:47:47.210 --> 00:47:49.179
reason why it should have happened there. And yet it,
1047
00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:52.190
it is. And now it's just a part of it. And, um,
1048
00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:55.380
it's so exciting. Like those are the, like you prep
1049
00:47:55.389 --> 00:47:58.860
as much as you can in pre-production, but there are
1050
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.800
always going to be things that you don't see coming. Um,
1051
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:05.440
so it, it's, that's the kind of the most exciting
1052
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:06.760
part in a lot of ways, because it is tough.
1053
00:48:06.820 --> 00:48:10.409
It's very complicated, but you feel so much, not just relief,
1054
00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:13.250
but like sense of pride and accomplishment. Cause you're like, wow,
1055
00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:16.739
like that was a, the whole thing that never would
1056
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.260
have existed had we not tried to figure out and
1057
00:48:19.300 --> 00:48:20.920
solve the issue in the moment.
1058
00:48:21.699 --> 00:48:23.119
Well, that's the, that's the thing I love about indie
1059
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.320
films is because everyone involved, I'd say for the, for
1060
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:28.340
the most part is doing it because it's something that
1061
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:30.760
they love and they want to do. So you'll do
1062
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.090
whatever you need to, to get like what you guys
1063
00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:36.210
have been saying. Like you didn't expect half of this
1064
00:48:36.230 --> 00:48:38.250
stuff to happen, but it happened the way it did
1065
00:48:38.309 --> 00:48:40.929
because you guys were motivated to get this done. A
1066
00:48:40.949 --> 00:48:42.960
lot of the times with big Hollywood productions, they have
1067
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:44.920
things so planned out. And if they can't do it,
1068
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.199
we'll just CG it or we'll just green screen it
1069
00:48:47.260 --> 00:48:50.159
or whatever. There's no heart there. But you can tell
1070
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:55.380
that everyone involved in this is very passionate about making movies, comedies, horror,
1071
00:48:55.420 --> 00:48:58.099
whatever you want to call it. And it's very evident
1072
00:48:59.550 --> 00:49:02.210
if you watch the movie that you guys are definitely
1073
00:49:02.349 --> 00:49:06.590
very passionate people. Is there... Are you guys all horror,
1074
00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:09.300
I'd say all horror fans from, you know, like A1
1075
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:11.400
since day one? Or do you guys get into horror
1076
00:49:11.420 --> 00:49:13.239
a little bit later in life? I'm a very late
1077
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:18.449
bloomer to horror myself. But I'm wondering, you know, is
1078
00:49:18.469 --> 00:49:21.179
that like your preferred genre or? is that something you
1079
00:49:21.219 --> 00:49:24.099
kind of just watch every now and again? We'll start
1080
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:24.679
with Caleb.
1081
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.519
Yeah, go Caleb first.
1082
00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:30.829
For me, I'd always like, I'd always like watched horror films.
1083
00:49:30.849 --> 00:49:33.110
They weren't like my first go-to because I did live
1084
00:49:33.190 --> 00:49:35.449
in like, I just always wanted to watch comedies or
1085
00:49:35.469 --> 00:49:38.570
I wanted to watch like action films. But as I
1086
00:49:38.849 --> 00:49:41.960
kind of started to get older, my, like, tastes in, like,
1087
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:42.980
movies and stuff changed.
1088
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:44.260
I started to find myself.
1089
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:47.900
Watching horror films a lot more and appreciating them a.
1090
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:48.380
Lot more for what they are.
1091
00:49:48.619 --> 00:49:53.170
And especially since making this film, like, I've really, for
1092
00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.889
the first time, like, have kind of been exposed to, like,
1093
00:49:55.909 --> 00:49:59.650
the horror community. And that's been, like, a really cool
1094
00:49:59.690 --> 00:50:03.550
part of the process because it's, like, this whole world of, like,
1095
00:50:03.989 --> 00:50:07.210
really cool collaboration and support that like, I don't, I
1096
00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:10.090
don't see anywhere else in like any other genre.
1097
00:50:10.789 --> 00:50:14.130
Um, I was just at monster, uh, Palooza out here
1098
00:50:14.150 --> 00:50:14.650
in LA.
1099
00:50:14.670 --> 00:50:15.369
Oh, nice.
1100
00:50:15.409 --> 00:50:15.710
Yeah.
1101
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.260
And it was my first like horror con that I
1102
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:21.699
had gone to. Um, but it was, it was unbelievable.
1103
00:50:21.739 --> 00:50:24.920
Like seeing all the special effects, makeup artists and all
1104
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.900
like these like retro movie poster creationists, like all of
1105
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.710
these like creators and collaborators there, um, presenting their work
1106
00:50:31.849 --> 00:50:34.679
and then supporting each other. Like I had people, you know,
1107
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.780
I shook hands with probably like a thousand people just
1108
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:37.619
in one day.
1109
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:38.219
Yeah.
1110
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.239
Just cause they were like, Hey, what's your movie? What, what,
1111
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:43.320
you know, what is this about? Talk to me about it. And, um,
1112
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:46.480
as someone who works in LA a lot, uh, I,
1113
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:50.369
I just don't see that through other genres. Um, so
1114
00:50:50.550 --> 00:50:52.369
I think that to me has been like the, the
1115
00:50:52.429 --> 00:50:55.150
coolest part of the process is learning about not just
1116
00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:58.710
horror films, but the community like within it that support it.
1117
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.500
Yeah. The horror community is, is, uh, especially when it
1118
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.190
comes to making films is great. Uh, the, the social
1119
00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:08.670
media aspect of it on like, let's say Facebook is
1120
00:51:08.710 --> 00:51:12.530
the most toxic place you'll ever be. Uh, so, but
1121
00:51:13.369 --> 00:51:15.820
the true horror fans and the people that can get
1122
00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:18.900
together and, and talk about horror movies, it's a genuinely
1123
00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:22.780
great community, especially at the horror conventions and stuff like that. Uh, it's,
1124
00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:25.739
you know, Facebook and all that stuff is just toxic altogether,
1125
00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:28.239
but Yeah, I think that's one of the big aspects
1126
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.960
of of the horror genre I like is the community
1127
00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:34.440
and the friends I've made from this podcast and, you know,
1128
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.719
directors I've interviewed and stuff like that. Everyone like the
1129
00:51:38.739 --> 00:51:40.659
people I've reached out to to tell you guys, you know,
1130
00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:42.679
you guys were all like, hell, yeah, like, let's do this.
1131
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.619
And it's just it's I love the passion from filmmakers
1132
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.539
that you guys just want to talk about your movie.
1133
00:51:49.659 --> 00:51:52.769
And that's amazing. So what about Dylan and Ben? Are
1134
00:51:52.809 --> 00:51:55.940
we lifelong horror fans, or did we get into the
1135
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.380
genre a little bit later?
1136
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.219
I started out, when I was very little, I loved
1137
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:05.579
Are You Afraid of the Dark?
1138
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:06.099
Yes.
1139
00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:10.190
And then I had a nightmare about one of the episodes,
1140
00:52:10.670 --> 00:52:14.849
and I swore off horror for a very long period
1141
00:52:14.869 --> 00:52:17.670
of time. But just in a way where I was like, no, no, no,
1142
00:52:17.710 --> 00:52:20.579
I can't handle that. I really can't handle that. Uh,
1143
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:21.179
that's not for me.
1144
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:21.820
Okay.
1145
00:52:21.900 --> 00:52:24.780
And then, and I think it was college, maybe like
1146
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.760
the very end of college where I was dating someone
1147
00:52:27.820 --> 00:52:30.019
that loved horror movies. And I remember we would like
1148
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.070
go see a movie and during the coming attractions, I
1149
00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:36.250
would see the most terrifying trailer I've ever seen in
1150
00:52:36.269 --> 00:52:39.429
my entire life. And I was sweating. I knew that
1151
00:52:39.489 --> 00:52:40.849
she was going to be like, we're going to go
1152
00:52:40.889 --> 00:52:42.909
see that. And I was like, Oh my God.
1153
00:52:42.949 --> 00:52:44.489
What did I sign up for?
1154
00:52:44.849 --> 00:52:49.480
Uh, but then honestly, like, uh, I fell in love
1155
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:53.710
with horror movies and I really, really like slashers. I
1156
00:52:53.750 --> 00:52:56.630
see the Jace poster behind you or cut it. Like I,
1157
00:52:56.650 --> 00:53:01.570
I love Friday the 13th. I love those movies so much.
1158
00:53:02.010 --> 00:53:02.690
Yeah.
1159
00:53:02.710 --> 00:53:06.159
And I think I partially love them because of the
1160
00:53:06.219 --> 00:53:10.000
fact that there is a, um, a format like, yeah.
1161
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.500
Like being able to follow a format. Like I, like
1162
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.550
I love, It's very similar to comedy in a lot
1163
00:53:17.570 --> 00:53:21.170
of ways, where there's a rhythm to how you write
1164
00:53:21.210 --> 00:53:23.889
a joke and how you write a slasher and stuff
1165
00:53:23.929 --> 00:53:27.760
like that. So I'm definitely not since day one for sure,
1166
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.340
but it is now a thing I seek out more
1167
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.300
than a lot of other stuff these days. And this
1168
00:53:36.340 --> 00:53:39.559
was my first foray into writing a horror, I'll say that.
1169
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:40.179
Wow.
1170
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.460
Also, with the whole horror community aspect and other... plug them.
1171
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:47.980
I think all three of us, at least I was,
1172
00:53:48.019 --> 00:53:49.659
I think all three of us, I was like a
1173
00:53:49.659 --> 00:53:52.219
little worried at first. Cause like there were definitely parts
1174
00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.320
in the script originally that were a little more, uh,
1175
00:53:55.900 --> 00:53:57.800
like scarier. We would kind of go a little harder
1176
00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:01.559
at times. Um, and then some of that stuff went
1177
00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:04.690
away partially because of the pixel stuff. And, you know,
1178
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:06.219
we went through a phase where we were a little worried, like,
1179
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.130
can we even call this a horror comedy? Like, should
1180
00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:11.230
we just say it's a comedy with horror aspects? I'd
1181
00:54:11.250 --> 00:54:14.429
say for the most part, people that like love horror movies, uh,
1182
00:54:15.429 --> 00:54:18.369
No one, for the most part, has been like, this
1183
00:54:18.429 --> 00:54:21.159
isn't a horror movie. Like, I don't want to see that. Like,
1184
00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:23.440
it seems like people that love horror movies want to
1185
00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:26.300
see anything with any amount of the element of horror
1186
00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:28.300
in it. They are, like, down for it, which I
1187
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:33.460
think is very, very cool. Because, you know, I could
1188
00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:35.809
totally understand a woman saying to me, like, what did
1189
00:54:35.829 --> 00:54:36.090
you say?
1190
00:54:36.110 --> 00:54:37.469
You haven't been on Facebook, Dylan.
1191
00:54:38.070 --> 00:54:41.539
Well, you know, I've had to. since the allegations, I
1192
00:54:41.539 --> 00:54:43.500
got to stay off of Facebook. So I don't need
1193
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:43.840
to look at that.
1194
00:54:43.860 --> 00:54:47.840
That's probably for the best. That's probably for the best. Well,
1195
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.619
I think it's funny too, because there, to me, there's
1196
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.099
a very distinct difference and this might not make sense
1197
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.300
to a lot of people, but there's a distinct difference
1198
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.719
between a comedy horror and a horror comedy. And what
1199
00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:02.920
I think you guys have done is a comedy horror, uh,
1200
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.900
where you guys are, it's mainly focused on the comedy,
1201
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:08.590
but the, the horror aspects are there where to me, like,
1202
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.519
Evil Dead is more like a horror comedy. It is
1203
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:16.199
a graphic movie that comes off funny, which, honestly, that's
1204
00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:18.860
probably the movie that I would say kind of invented
1205
00:55:18.989 --> 00:55:23.610
campiness because if you look at how it's listed on IMDb,
1206
00:55:23.630 --> 00:55:26.090
it's listed as a straight horror movie, and people loved
1207
00:55:26.150 --> 00:55:28.750
the campiness of it that in Evil Dead 2 they
1208
00:55:28.789 --> 00:55:32.809
went full into comedy. So Evil Dead is just listed
1209
00:55:32.849 --> 00:55:35.139
as a horror movie. Evil Dead 2 is a comedy
1210
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.809
horror or a horror comedy. But I think what you
1211
00:55:37.829 --> 00:55:40.710
guys have done here is crafted a very, very fun
1212
00:55:40.750 --> 00:55:44.269
comedy that's dark at times and has, you know, I
1213
00:55:44.349 --> 00:55:47.739
love a good demonic cult movie. I can't even pronounce
1214
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.099
the name of the fucking demon that's trapped in the necklace.
1215
00:55:51.659 --> 00:55:54.739
Ten out of ten on that name and the lore
1216
00:55:55.019 --> 00:55:59.230
building behind it because it's simple enough to be effective
1217
00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:02.030
and it's not over convoluted enough to be like, okay,
1218
00:56:02.070 --> 00:56:06.039
this doesn't make sense. So for your first foray into
1219
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.820
writing a horror movie, I'd say you guys nailed it
1220
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.539
because you also avoided a lot of horror tropes too
1221
00:56:12.739 --> 00:56:14.840
as well. But I don't want to forget about Ben
1222
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:16.940
and his history with horror. So let me hear about
1223
00:56:16.980 --> 00:56:18.119
that and then we'll move on.
1224
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.429
Well, I've actually got, it's nice that I'm the end
1225
00:56:20.469 --> 00:56:24.030
because I've got probably the least history with horror. I,
1226
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:26.070
you know, I came from a household that just didn't
1227
00:56:26.090 --> 00:56:30.929
really watch horror films and never had an interest. And
1228
00:56:30.949 --> 00:56:33.699
then this was kind of my my gateway into it.
1229
00:56:33.739 --> 00:56:37.360
And I've since watched more and, uh, and.
1230
00:56:37.460 --> 00:56:38.239
Have been loving it.
1231
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.619
Um, so if anyone wants to use the Gothic cars
1232
00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:44.300
as a, as a gateway to horror, that's, that's, um,
1233
00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:45.179
I love it.
1234
00:56:45.460 --> 00:56:49.329
I I'm for it. Um, yeah, that's basically all I
1235
00:56:49.329 --> 00:56:49.670
have to say.
1236
00:56:49.690 --> 00:56:51.349
I just watched widow's Bay, which I don't even know
1237
00:56:51.369 --> 00:56:53.789
if we can classify as horror, but I love that.
1238
00:56:54.769 --> 00:56:56.269
Oh, did you, did you just finish it?
1239
00:56:56.590 --> 00:56:57.409
I just finished that.
1240
00:56:57.489 --> 00:56:59.360
So I'm ready to talk all the spoilers.
1241
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:01.699
What? All right. So, so this is going to be
1242
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:04.940
the spoiler, uh, part of the episode.
1243
00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:06.519
Where we don't, it's going to be about Gothic slayers.
1244
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:07.159
It's going to be.
1245
00:57:07.070 --> 00:57:10.429
About what we don't spoil. Gothic slayers. We spoil. Oh yeah. Um,
1246
00:57:12.789 --> 00:57:15.469
If you're not, seriously though, if you're not watching Widow's Bay,
1247
00:57:15.590 --> 00:57:16.670
get on that immediately.
1248
00:57:16.690 --> 00:57:18.730
Get on that shit. And it's not because I'm one
1249
00:57:18.829 --> 00:57:21.750
of the producers, but.
1250
00:57:22.469 --> 00:57:24.869
It's so good. Someone recommended that to me. I was like,
1251
00:57:24.889 --> 00:57:26.760
Widow's Bay, what the fuck? And I started watching it.
1252
00:57:27.030 --> 00:57:31.550
It's very Stephen King coded. It is very, if you've
1253
00:57:31.590 --> 00:57:36.000
seen Midnight Mass from Mike Flanagan, it's like a combination
1254
00:57:36.019 --> 00:57:38.670
of those two things. And they also strike a really
1255
00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:41.800
great balance of horror and comedy because the mayor is
1256
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:47.079
just this fucking doofus who is meandering his way through
1257
00:57:47.139 --> 00:57:49.619
all of these shenanigans. And then shit just starts to
1258
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:53.619
get progressively more and more horrifying as it goes on.
1259
00:57:53.659 --> 00:57:56.989
So if you're not watching Widow's Bay, please get Apple TV.
1260
00:57:57.030 --> 00:58:00.289
It's 100% worth it. I'm glad you mentioned that because, yeah,
1261
00:58:00.329 --> 00:58:03.139
that's a show... I started off, I was like, okay,
1262
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.360
it's good. It's good. And then it kept going and
1263
00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:06.699
I was like, oh shit, this is, this is.
1264
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.800
I was in the same camp.
1265
00:58:08.099 --> 00:58:10.440
Once you get like to the third episode or fourth,
1266
00:58:10.460 --> 00:58:11.530
you're like, holy shit.
1267
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.530
Whenever the clown, whenever the clown charged it, I was like, ah.
1268
00:58:15.610 --> 00:58:17.070
You're like, oh, we're in a different world now.
1269
00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:21.769
Yeah, this is not a world I like. I know
1270
00:58:21.809 --> 00:58:23.969
everyone on the podcast has heard my history, but since
1271
00:58:24.030 --> 00:58:26.539
everyone's sharing, I'll share my experience. I grew up in
1272
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:29.559
a very Christian, strict household. So horror was just not part.
1273
00:58:30.059 --> 00:58:34.619
Of the cultural diet, if you will. So I... Let's see.
1274
00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:38.860
I mean, the first thing I remember seeing horror movie-wise was...
1275
00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:41.699
I think it was The Ring. We got that... My
1276
00:58:41.739 --> 00:58:44.019
parents let me rent that one because it was PG-13.
1277
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.860
And scared the fuck out of me. That's so funny.
1278
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:46.980
Yeah.
1279
00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:51.769
Obviously, because I was 12. And then... Oh, it goes
1280
00:58:51.809 --> 00:58:55.900
back further. So my very Christian friend, his mother led
1281
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.599
us back to back Alien and Aliens when we were
1282
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:03.519
probably about 10, which is a horrible idea. Terrified me.
1283
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:04.969
Then I watched The Ring and I was like, I
1284
00:59:04.989 --> 00:59:07.489
think I'm done with horror movies.
1285
00:59:07.530 --> 00:59:08.929
My parents were right this whole time.
1286
00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:09.829
Yeah, they were right.
1287
00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:11.380
That is good.
1288
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:15.900
Yeah, I couldn't even, now I'm wearing fucking satanic necklace.
1289
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:23.360
And I couldn't even watch the, and I agree with
1290
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.489
them now, the face melting scene in Indiana Jones, I
1291
00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:28.760
had to go around the corner for that. And when
1292
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:30.920
I saw that at like 15, I was like, yeah, facts.
1293
00:59:31.059 --> 00:59:33.300
I wouldn't have wanted to see that when I was 10.
1294
00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:36.260
But I got into so I peer pressure got the
1295
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.219
better of me in high school. And all my friends
1296
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:39.730
were like, oh, we're going to we're going to go
1297
00:59:39.809 --> 00:59:44.250
rent saw from Blockbuster. Fucking that's how old I am.
1298
00:59:44.909 --> 00:59:46.809
And they go rent it. We come back and I'm like,
1299
00:59:47.030 --> 00:59:48.679
I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
1300
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.920
be like the wuss that doesn't want to watch this.
1301
00:59:51.460 --> 00:59:52.920
And then by the end of the movie, I was like,
1302
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.949
holy shit, I think I like horror movies. So I
1303
00:59:54.989 --> 00:59:57.989
don't know what it says about me. That torture porn
1304
00:59:58.030 --> 00:59:59.869
is what got me into horror movies.
1305
01:00:00.190 --> 01:00:01.150
That's so funny.
1306
01:00:01.210 --> 01:00:02.369
But, yeah.
1307
01:00:02.730 --> 01:00:06.409
Only this past year, I finally had the guts to
1308
01:00:06.449 --> 01:00:09.440
watch Saw for the first time. And I literally watched
1309
01:00:09.579 --> 01:00:13.340
it while listening to a podcast. They did a watch-along
1310
01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:13.690
to it.
1311
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:14.619
Oh, okay.
1312
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.800
They're watching it at the same time, so you sync
1313
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:18.420
it up, you know?
1314
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:18.860
Yeah.
1315
01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:20.829
And they're... They're not making fun of it, but they
1316
01:00:20.869 --> 01:00:23.789
are making jokes. It's kind of like Mystery Science Theater
1317
01:00:23.789 --> 01:00:24.369
3000 on us, you know?
1318
01:00:24.510 --> 01:00:24.929
Okay.
1319
01:00:25.610 --> 01:00:27.789
I was like, I will watch this, but I need
1320
01:00:27.909 --> 01:00:30.010
to have people in my ear making jokes at the
1321
01:00:30.030 --> 01:00:30.510
same time.
1322
01:00:30.889 --> 01:00:31.469
Okay.
1323
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:33.739
That being said, I ended up loving Saw. I don't
1324
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:35.519
know if I'm going to watch the sequels, but the
1325
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:38.219
first one is genuinely very good, so.
1326
01:00:38.019 --> 01:00:39.739
I don't know. All right. Next time you want to
1327
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:42.119
watch a scary movie, just give me a call, and
1328
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.110
I'll talk to you the whole time. We'll get through
1329
01:00:45.130 --> 01:00:46.349
it together. Fantastic.
1330
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:47.139
Thank you.
1331
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.340
I will say, though, if you do dive into the
1332
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.320
Saw movies, the first seven Saw movies have one of
1333
01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:56.449
the most... What's the word I'm looking for? Some of
1334
01:00:56.489 --> 01:00:59.869
the best continuity when it comes to storyline and progression.
1335
01:01:00.469 --> 01:01:04.190
It is shockingly good. Seven's not the greatest. I would
1336
01:01:04.230 --> 01:01:07.489
say one through six are the core ones that matter.
1337
01:01:07.590 --> 01:01:11.449
And then Jigsaw and then From the Book of Saw
1338
01:01:11.489 --> 01:01:13.769
weren't great. Then they brought it back with Saw X.
1339
01:01:14.150 --> 01:01:17.929
But it's my favorite... franchise, which is, again, I don't
1340
01:01:17.949 --> 01:01:20.449
know what that says about me, that that's my favorite franchise.
1341
01:01:20.969 --> 01:01:23.409
But here we are. And then on the opposite hand,
1342
01:01:23.449 --> 01:01:25.289
you know, I love movies. Like, if you can see here,
1343
01:01:25.329 --> 01:01:27.789
I've got the Toxic Avenger shirt on here.
1344
01:01:27.809 --> 01:01:28.929
Oh, nice.
1345
01:01:29.329 --> 01:01:31.869
Love me some Toxic Avenger. Shout out to Lloyd Kaufman.
1346
01:01:31.909 --> 01:01:33.090
He was on the show last year.
1347
01:01:33.110 --> 01:01:33.190
Wow.
1348
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:34.500
Oh, my God.
1349
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:35.920
That's huge.
1350
01:01:36.139 --> 01:01:38.780
Yeah, I just DM'd him, and he was like, I'd
1351
01:01:38.820 --> 01:01:40.860
love to be on the show. And I'm like, I
1352
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.500
don't think you know who you're talking to, but that's fine.
1353
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:44.059
So.
1354
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.349
I know someone who knows him because, uh, I, I,
1355
01:01:50.340 --> 01:01:53.199
I write a lot of sketch comedy, um, here in
1356
01:01:53.219 --> 01:01:56.119
New York. And when I first started taking sketch classes,
1357
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:58.849
I was taught by this guy, Brandon, who works with
1358
01:01:58.869 --> 01:02:02.269
them all, you know, I think has made movies for trauma.
1359
01:02:02.429 --> 01:02:02.849
Yeah.
1360
01:02:03.250 --> 01:02:04.329
Yeah, exactly.
1361
01:02:04.369 --> 01:02:04.789
For trauma.
1362
01:02:04.849 --> 01:02:08.090
So I've seen it that he's done stuff like some
1363
01:02:08.230 --> 01:02:10.750
Q and A's with Lloyd. And, uh, you're trying to
1364
01:02:10.789 --> 01:02:15.420
make him into Kevin Bacon. Yeah, there's degrees of separation.
1365
01:02:15.019 --> 01:02:19.159
From Lloyd Kaufman. Yeah, the seven degrees of Lloyd Kaufman.
1366
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.260
Of Lloyd Kaufman. Those are seven degrees. Sometimes they're scary.
1367
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.139
You don't always want to be part of those seven degrees.
1368
01:02:25.219 --> 01:02:30.269
No, no, no, no. Yeah, Laurie Kaufman is such a character.
1369
01:02:30.869 --> 01:02:33.769
That's one that I didn't even prep with questions. I
1370
01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:37.030
just asked him one, and we were off to the
1371
01:02:37.070 --> 01:02:42.400
fucking races. Yeah, for sure. So let's go back here.
1372
01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:44.900
Let's talk about some of the funny moments. One of
1373
01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:48.690
my favorite moments of this movie... is when you guys
1374
01:02:48.710 --> 01:02:50.469
are in it's it's back to the tent i don't
1375
01:02:50.489 --> 01:02:52.230
know how we keep ending up in this fucking tent
1376
01:02:52.630 --> 01:02:55.349
but when you guys like did we see what we
1377
01:02:55.389 --> 01:02:58.090
think we saw and you repeat the same thing that's
1378
01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:02.179
like what was that like a paragraph of dialogue literally
1379
01:03:02.219 --> 01:03:04.059
peeing my pants laughing i was like this this is
1380
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:06.820
like peak comedy right here uh what are some of
1381
01:03:06.860 --> 01:03:10.519
your favorite moments that uh ended up or maybe didn't
1382
01:03:10.579 --> 01:03:13.139
end up in the movie we'll start with ben this time.
1383
01:03:13.530 --> 01:03:17.289
That montage that didn't make it into it.
1384
01:03:17.329 --> 01:03:19.239
I knew you were going to say that.
1385
01:03:21.460 --> 01:03:23.619
Like, like what's a, what's a fun bit that you
1386
01:03:23.659 --> 01:03:26.980
really enjoy that, that, that made it into the movie.
1387
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:28.000
I did love the tent.
1388
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.260
And what was crazy was we did that on the
1389
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.739
first take and then, and then subsequent takes, we, we
1390
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:35.230
screwed it up.
1391
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:36.460
We couldn't get it.
1392
01:03:36.699 --> 01:03:39.449
It was so crazy. Like, Caleb's like, great, we're going
1393
01:03:39.469 --> 01:03:40.090
in for coverage.
1394
01:03:40.170 --> 01:03:43.110
And then it was like, we couldn't figure it out.
1395
01:03:43.250 --> 01:03:44.429
One take, done.
1396
01:03:44.449 --> 01:03:47.530
I guess we'll just use that take as our cut one.
1397
01:03:47.590 --> 01:03:49.400
And we're like, awesome. That's good with me.
1398
01:03:51.659 --> 01:03:52.219
Shit, I don't know.
1399
01:03:52.260 --> 01:03:52.800
Come back to me.
1400
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:57.420
I love the... Sorry, sorry, sorry. I don't want it
1401
01:03:57.460 --> 01:04:00.039
to be stolen, so I gotta say it.
1402
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:06.250
I love the jail cell scene when he gives us
1403
01:04:06.409 --> 01:04:08.800
the thing like he's like oh everything you need to
1404
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.380
know is on this piece of paper and then it
1405
01:04:10.460 --> 01:04:13.800
says people i want to murder.
1406
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.519
Or whatever i want to kill just the way that
1407
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.139
he's like no no no no no forget that happened.
1408
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.559
Or whatever this is what you need.
1409
01:04:22.690 --> 01:04:24.750
Yeah and then the fact that the fact that i'm
1410
01:04:24.809 --> 01:04:27.510
literally i'm talking about things we wrote like isn't this
1411
01:04:27.550 --> 01:04:33.130
so funny but um the fact that the drawing that
1412
01:04:33.170 --> 01:04:36.340
he gives us is like that little barn like like
1413
01:04:36.699 --> 01:04:39.920
the dumbest map of all time. Like we did write that,
1414
01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:42.760
but it wasn't until we saw it. Like once we
1415
01:04:42.820 --> 01:04:44.440
saw what the map looked like, I was like, okay,
1416
01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:48.969
that actually, I knew that was your best work. Good stuff.
1417
01:04:49.010 --> 01:04:52.050
All right, Kayla, what about you?
1418
01:04:52.969 --> 01:04:56.050
My, I think my favorite scene and in the film,
1419
01:04:56.070 --> 01:04:58.570
and especially like from a director standpoint was the, uh,
1420
01:04:58.610 --> 01:05:02.170
the kitchen, uh, scene when they're having dinner together because like,
1421
01:05:02.750 --> 01:05:07.489
The whole bit of the dinners, it's so awkward and uncomfortable, and, like,
1422
01:05:07.570 --> 01:05:09.110
so we got to just, like, play with all the
1423
01:05:09.260 --> 01:05:12.760
actors and, like, filling the space with comedy, like, finding
1424
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.920
a way to kind of make these reaction shots, you know,
1425
01:05:15.940 --> 01:05:20.099
really funny, like, Quinn drinking that blue drink over and
1426
01:05:20.179 --> 01:05:20.920
over and over.
1427
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.179
Again, like.
1428
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.130
She drank that stuff probably six or seven times.
1429
01:05:25.150 --> 01:05:27.170
She was like, I'm going to throw up blue by
1430
01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:28.650
the end of this.
1431
01:05:28.769 --> 01:05:32.469
Dad was just giving Tom, who plays the dad, he
1432
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.780
was just giving the funniest faces in between because he's
1433
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.559
so interested in what does it mean to be a
1434
01:05:39.820 --> 01:05:41.179
cashier at a grocery store.
1435
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.829
He's so fascinated by it. It's the coolest thing he's
1436
01:05:44.889 --> 01:05:45.309
ever heard.
1437
01:05:45.610 --> 01:05:48.610
I think that that scene just in general was a
1438
01:05:48.630 --> 01:05:50.969
lot of fun and a quick little like fun tidbit
1439
01:05:51.010 --> 01:05:54.250
for that too is it was pitch black uh it
1440
01:05:54.269 --> 01:05:55.989
was dark uh in the middle of the night when
1441
01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:58.230
we shot that oh wow because we were like so
1442
01:05:58.329 --> 01:06:02.150
far behind in our day because the windows were supposed
1443
01:06:02.170 --> 01:06:03.809
to be open we were supposed to see out into
1444
01:06:03.829 --> 01:06:07.090
the bay um and we were so many hours past
1445
01:06:07.150 --> 01:06:09.710
that point that uh our lighting team had to like
1446
01:06:09.789 --> 01:06:13.110
light that whole area and you can't even tell and
1447
01:06:13.130 --> 01:06:15.820
it was really just jointing. Cause on the day we
1448
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:17.780
shot there for like an hour and then we walk
1449
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.599
outside and it's just like 11 o'clock at night.
1450
01:06:20.739 --> 01:06:22.699
It was a mindfuck. It was so weird.
1451
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:25.159
It's like when you walk out of the movies and
1452
01:06:25.179 --> 01:06:28.579
it's still daytime, you're like, something's not right here. This
1453
01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:29.460
feels very off.
1454
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:30.199
Totally.
1455
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:34.469
Uh, speaking of some of the comedy, uh, beds, who
1456
01:06:34.510 --> 01:06:38.449
broke the most, uh, character like there's had to be
1457
01:06:38.510 --> 01:06:41.090
someone who constantly, it would be me if I was
1458
01:06:41.130 --> 01:06:42.590
in a comedy, I would never be able to keep
1459
01:06:42.630 --> 01:06:45.190
a straight face. So who do you think broke the
1460
01:06:45.250 --> 01:06:47.869
most in terms of their character?
1461
01:06:49.150 --> 01:06:53.889
I will say that I don't think Ben and I
1462
01:06:53.909 --> 01:06:55.610
broke a lot, to be completely honest. But I will
1463
01:06:55.650 --> 01:06:58.489
say during the scene at the table, I think that
1464
01:06:58.530 --> 01:07:00.449
was the most Ben and I broke. And I think
1465
01:07:00.489 --> 01:07:06.670
that's partially because so many of the scenes, because we're narcissists,
1466
01:07:07.329 --> 01:07:09.070
so many of the scenes are just Ben and me.
1467
01:07:10.269 --> 01:07:13.610
So many scenes have just been Dylan in a room. Right.
1468
01:07:14.730 --> 01:07:17.309
And that was the first time, I think, at least
1469
01:07:17.329 --> 01:07:19.429
while we were filming, that was the first scene we
1470
01:07:19.469 --> 01:07:22.170
did where a lot of the dialogue and a lot
1471
01:07:22.190 --> 01:07:26.170
of the comedy isn't coming just from Dylan doing stuff.
1472
01:07:26.289 --> 01:07:26.590
Yeah.
1473
01:07:26.630 --> 01:07:29.090
So I'm sitting next to Quinn. I would look over
1474
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.440
at her, and she'd be chugging something, or she's eating.
1475
01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:37.679
I would look across at Ben, and we would just break. Truly,
1476
01:07:37.739 --> 01:07:40.539
that scene was the hardest for, I think, both of
1477
01:07:40.659 --> 01:07:44.119
us to get through. But I mean... I don't know.
1478
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:48.519
Maybe because Ben and I were also producing it, I
1479
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.920
think we were so afraid of wasting time. Yeah, we
1480
01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:52.780
didn't find a break.
1481
01:07:52.820 --> 01:07:55.699
We were like, we don't have multiple takes here. We've
1482
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:56.500
got to get through this.
1483
01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:57.659
Fair, fair.
1484
01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.530
We don't have a breaking budget.
1485
01:08:00.110 --> 01:08:00.860
Joe was right, though.
1486
01:08:00.889 --> 01:08:04.269
I think a lot of it was just being able to,
1487
01:08:04.989 --> 01:08:06.750
that was the biggest scene where we could just kind
1488
01:08:06.789 --> 01:08:09.289
of sit back and watch other people. And sort of
1489
01:08:09.369 --> 01:08:11.869
our acting job in that moment was to kind of
1490
01:08:11.989 --> 01:08:13.329
watch and respond.
1491
01:08:14.409 --> 01:08:16.369
And that's, I think when you break the most, right.
1492
01:08:16.409 --> 01:08:19.350
It's like when you can really listen versus, I think
1493
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:22.000
I have your cold Austin that's coming on.
1494
01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:23.319
It's good.
1495
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.819
It is transmitted over podcast.
1496
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:27.199
Sorry.
1497
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:29.220
Um, but yeah, that was the best.
1498
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.600
Another was the guy who played, uh, well, both guys
1499
01:08:32.619 --> 01:08:33.739
that played the caddy bros.
1500
01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:36.279
They made me break all the time.
1501
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.220
God, they were funny. I love that scene right in
1502
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.760
the beginning when the girl is trying to play golf poorly,
1503
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:45.350
trying to get their attention. Great.
1504
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.850
I love that. The thing is that that girl is
1505
01:08:48.890 --> 01:08:51.689
the worst. No, that's Ben's sister in real life. That's
1506
01:08:51.729 --> 01:08:52.869
Ben's actual sister.
1507
01:08:52.989 --> 01:08:53.470
No shit.
1508
01:08:53.930 --> 01:08:54.350
That's true.
1509
01:08:54.369 --> 01:09:01.449
Yeah. And she was supposed to play the sister. but
1510
01:09:01.529 --> 01:09:06.100
she was doing a college play, and she was like,
1511
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.779
it's too boring. I can't miss out.
1512
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:11.960
She literally said to me, and I hope she sees this,
1513
01:09:11.979 --> 01:09:16.500
because she literally said to me, she said, if I
1514
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.180
back out of this play, this college play, I'm going
1515
01:09:19.189 --> 01:09:22.000
to be blackballed in New York theater. And I was like,
1516
01:09:22.380 --> 01:09:28.659
you're an insane person right now. My name on a list.
1517
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.939
But yeah, it was crazy. And then I think once
1518
01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.140
she saw the film, she was like, oh, I wish
1519
01:09:34.180 --> 01:09:36.430
I had a bigger part. I was like, no shit.
1520
01:09:36.470 --> 01:09:37.590
We've frigging had this.
1521
01:09:37.670 --> 01:09:41.350
I was like, yeah, it's so upsetting. To me and
1522
01:09:41.390 --> 01:09:42.770
my parents, the executive producers.
1523
01:09:46.850 --> 01:09:48.489
Well, that kind of answers this question, too, because I
1524
01:09:48.489 --> 01:09:51.100
was going to say what scene probably took the most takes.
1525
01:09:51.149 --> 01:09:53.760
I'm assuming it was the dinner scene where everyone is
1526
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:54.500
just breaking.
1527
01:09:55.619 --> 01:09:58.979
Caleb, you would know that. Yeah, you would know better
1528
01:09:59.020 --> 01:10:03.380
than us. What felt like the longest? Day one, maybe, too. Well,
1529
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:04.659
that is 100%.
1530
01:10:04.659 --> 01:10:06.500
Something you thought was going to be like, all right,
1531
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:08.300
we'll be in and out, this should be quick, that
1532
01:10:08.340 --> 01:10:11.079
turned into just like a never-ending process.
1533
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:12.739
Oh, boy.
1534
01:10:13.390 --> 01:10:13.479
Um.
1535
01:10:14.470 --> 01:10:19.569
You know, honestly, I know that the whole ending sequence, like,
1536
01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:23.170
in the church, I was very confident, like, leading into
1537
01:10:23.189 --> 01:10:28.029
pre-production because I originally had, like, 75 shots for, like,
1538
01:10:28.050 --> 01:10:29.369
this final fight sequence.
1539
01:10:29.550 --> 01:10:30.529
Wow.
1540
01:10:31.510 --> 01:10:33.649
And I'm like, I've got this all locked down. I
1541
01:10:33.949 --> 01:10:37.260
storyboarded everything. I've walked through with everybody.
1542
01:10:37.300 --> 01:10:39.600
Like, I've got this. I was telling my DP, I'm like,
1543
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:40.060
don't worry.
1544
01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:40.579
Don't worry.
1545
01:10:40.619 --> 01:10:42.579
Like, you know, we're going to fly through this stuff.
1546
01:10:43.270 --> 01:10:48.850
And we did not. It ended up being, I mean,
1547
01:10:49.529 --> 01:10:52.069
I should have known, like, you know, because we have choreography,
1548
01:10:52.130 --> 01:10:55.850
we have rigging, you know, we've got just these tons
1549
01:10:55.899 --> 01:10:57.680
of extras that are coming in and out of the
1550
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.539
space and stuff. And I think by the end of it, like,
1551
01:11:00.619 --> 01:11:03.340
we were in quite a few hours of overtime on
1552
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:05.859
the last day, like, you know, racing to get our
1553
01:11:05.899 --> 01:11:09.420
last couple shots. And kind of towards the end of it, everyone's, like,
1554
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.430
zonked out. been a long 14 hours, I ended up
1555
01:11:12.449 --> 01:11:14.470
just grabbing the camera and I'm just.
1556
01:11:14.369 --> 01:11:17.109
Like, all right, we're going like no slate. Like, you know, we're,
1557
01:11:17.130 --> 01:11:18.979
we're setting up this shot. All right, we're shooting this.
1558
01:11:19.020 --> 01:11:20.899
And I, there's some footage of me with the camera,
1559
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:23.899
you know, grabbing some shots and moving on. But yeah,
1560
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:27.500
I think that, I think that was probably the biggest undertaking, uh,
1561
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:29.439
that took a lot longer than, than.
1562
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.500
I originally anticipated.
1563
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:31.060
Okay.
1564
01:11:31.659 --> 01:11:34.770
Yeah. I, uh, one of my examples I tell, so the,
1565
01:11:35.670 --> 01:11:37.729
like I said, we made a short film and literally
1566
01:11:37.770 --> 01:11:41.649
this scene is a stagnant camera shot. Our actor bends
1567
01:11:41.710 --> 01:11:44.329
down to open a box and some dust flies out.
1568
01:11:44.949 --> 01:11:47.520
And I could not get the, it's literally should have
1569
01:11:47.539 --> 01:11:49.760
taken five minutes. I could not get the angle on
1570
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.159
this fucking camera for the life of me. An hour
1571
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.199
and a half later, I'm like, I just, we're using this.
1572
01:11:55.300 --> 01:11:58.630
I don't care. We have to move on. We're losing daylight. Uh,
1573
01:11:58.789 --> 01:12:01.090
so yeah, like it's, it's, it's so funny how sometimes
1574
01:12:01.109 --> 01:12:03.170
you're like, this will be easy. No problem. And then
1575
01:12:03.210 --> 01:12:05.609
you're like, why, why, why is this taking half a
1576
01:12:05.630 --> 01:12:07.010
day to, uh, I.
1577
01:12:06.949 --> 01:12:09.050
Just thought of another, I just thought of another thing
1578
01:12:09.069 --> 01:12:09.810
that took forever.
1579
01:12:09.829 --> 01:12:10.810
Oh, hit me with it.
1580
01:12:11.369 --> 01:12:14.939
Speaking of the caddy bros, um, we have this, we
1581
01:12:14.979 --> 01:12:21.340
have the scene where, uh, Ben challenges, um, uh, the guy,
1582
01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:22.539
his name is David in real life.
1583
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:22.920
Yeah.
1584
01:12:22.939 --> 01:12:27.079
The caddy do, uh, you know, the putt off to
1585
01:12:27.100 --> 01:12:32.010
see like whoever's putts the hole better, you know, doesn't
1586
01:12:32.050 --> 01:12:35.989
have to do the job or whatever. And we wanted
1587
01:12:36.010 --> 01:12:38.010
it to be, you know, we want David's character to
1588
01:12:38.050 --> 01:12:42.029
be putting the ball without breaking eye contact with Ben
1589
01:12:42.550 --> 01:12:44.329
because he's, like, that good at golf that he can
1590
01:12:44.369 --> 01:12:47.180
just do it without even looking at it. This guy
1591
01:12:47.260 --> 01:12:50.739
must have missed the ball, like, five times. Like, he
1592
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.279
could not, for the love of him, at one point
1593
01:12:53.300 --> 01:12:55.460
he putted it and it bounced off his foot. And
1594
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.069
he's supposed to be just, like, calm, cool, collected guy.
1595
01:12:59.090 --> 01:13:02.510
And he keeps like wailing at this thing. Could not
1596
01:13:02.529 --> 01:13:04.510
get that. Ben and I were also breaking a lot
1597
01:13:04.529 --> 01:13:07.229
on that because we were, we did not know how
1598
01:13:07.270 --> 01:13:07.850
funny it was.
1599
01:13:07.909 --> 01:13:10.649
There's a really good blooper of that that we'll post.
1600
01:13:11.069 --> 01:13:11.510
Oh yeah.
1601
01:13:11.590 --> 01:13:15.000
Speaking of, since I have this wonderful Blu-ray put here.
1602
01:13:15.989 --> 01:13:18.130
I love the fact, because a lot of times indie movies,
1603
01:13:18.170 --> 01:13:20.989
they're bare bones, and I get that. You just want
1604
01:13:21.029 --> 01:13:23.779
to get your movie on physical media. But you've got
1605
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.279
an audio commentary, a blooper reel, and the official Gothic
1606
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:32.369
Slayers music video, Goblin, performed by Sudo. So I love
1607
01:13:32.810 --> 01:13:35.630
that there's all these extras. Also, the only problem I
1608
01:13:35.670 --> 01:13:39.829
have with this is I can't fucking read these production
1609
01:13:39.909 --> 01:13:41.760
companies on the bottom. They're so tiny.
1610
01:13:41.819 --> 01:13:44.699
They're all fake, so you're not supposed to be able to.
1611
01:13:44.899 --> 01:13:49.479
They're what? Oh, they're all fake. I was sitting here
1612
01:13:49.539 --> 01:13:51.119
when I was doing my review. I'm like, I think
1613
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:55.189
this is Careful Icarus. Oh, Icarus. J & R.
1614
01:13:55.210 --> 01:13:58.939
Their money... We're laundering money through those, so we really
1615
01:13:59.010 --> 01:14:03.710
want people to be too aware of the names the IRS.
1616
01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:03.970
Will be calling.
1617
01:14:04.090 --> 01:14:08.300
I know Junction Lads is real. I've seen that thing before,
1618
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.890
I think. It looks, it looks familiar.
1619
01:14:12.250 --> 01:14:13.109
Caleb's company.
1620
01:14:13.149 --> 01:14:14.729
So, uh, Oh, okay.
1621
01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:16.270
He's the only one making shit.
1622
01:14:16.529 --> 01:14:16.989
I guess.
1623
01:14:17.810 --> 01:14:18.189
Wow.
1624
01:14:18.390 --> 01:14:19.930
Jesus.
1625
01:14:20.890 --> 01:14:24.229
I was going to say, I feel like I've seen
1626
01:14:24.529 --> 01:14:27.489
that before. Uh, but yeah, this is a great, uh,
1627
01:14:27.569 --> 01:14:30.850
great cover art here. If you don't have this movie,
1628
01:14:30.989 --> 01:14:33.350
I suggest you buy it. If you want to be
1629
01:14:33.430 --> 01:14:35.489
lame and watch it on prime, you can watch it
1630
01:14:35.550 --> 01:14:37.899
on prime, but I say get the physical copy. You're
1631
01:14:37.949 --> 01:14:41.689
not going to be disappointed. Uh, especially with the bonus features.
1632
01:14:42.369 --> 01:14:44.899
And what do we got? Runtime here, hour 40. Oh,
1633
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.850
it's not on the back here unless I'm fucking blind. Oh,
1634
01:14:48.859 --> 01:14:52.439
I think it's an hour 43. I should have this information. Yeah.
1635
01:14:52.779 --> 01:14:55.430
And for an hour and 43, I have to say
1636
01:14:55.489 --> 01:14:58.289
pacing is great. Usually my sweet spot for horror movies
1637
01:14:58.350 --> 01:15:01.130
is like 70 to 90 minutes. So hour 43, great.
1638
01:15:02.069 --> 01:15:04.340
Great pacing. There was not a moment where I was like,
1639
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.699
this should not be here. Or, you know, this feels
1640
01:15:07.739 --> 01:15:11.520
like it's stretching. Like every moment that's happening on screen
1641
01:15:11.579 --> 01:15:15.770
felt necessary. So I really appreciate when a horror movie
1642
01:15:15.810 --> 01:15:17.729
has a longer run time and it doesn't feel like
1643
01:15:17.770 --> 01:15:19.770
it's trying to stretch it. And there was even more
1644
01:15:19.829 --> 01:15:21.590
things you guys wanted to do that had to be
1645
01:15:21.609 --> 01:15:23.689
taken out, which is crazy. It would have been great.
1646
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:24.560
It would have been great.
1647
01:15:24.619 --> 01:15:28.630
It would have been great. So random fun question that
1648
01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:32.140
I've never asked anybody because usually I just interview directors.
1649
01:15:32.180 --> 01:15:35.159
I don't usually have writers and stars of movies.
1650
01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:35.859
Missionary.
1651
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:44.699
Doggy style. Okay. Doggy style.
1652
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:45.520
Doggy style.
1653
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:51.649
Doggy style. Alright, so if you had your, like, if
1654
01:15:51.710 --> 01:15:55.109
your character, I'm trying to fucking pull myself back together here.
1655
01:15:55.390 --> 01:15:59.329
Now I'm breaking. If your characters had to survive another
1656
01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:04.180
horror movie, what movie would you pick? I'm picking Evil Dead. Dylan,
1657
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:06.220
what do you think? If you could see your characters
1658
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:07.640
surviving another horror movie.
1659
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:11.420
And they survive it. They definitely survive it.
1660
01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:15.180
Yeah, I mean, you guys survived this one. Let's go
1661
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:16.960
with surviving it, you know? Fuck it.
1662
01:16:17.020 --> 01:16:21.140
I'm going to go with either one of two. Either
1663
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:29.010
Jeepers Creepers or Children of the Corn. And only because
1664
01:16:29.050 --> 01:16:32.930
of cornfields. I think that Ben and Dylan have enough experience.
1665
01:16:32.949 --> 01:16:37.010
We've mastered that. We've experienced enough cornfields now that it's like,
1666
01:16:37.579 --> 01:16:40.640
Bring on any kind of creepy thing in the cornfield.
1667
01:16:40.659 --> 01:16:41.479
We can handle that.
1668
01:16:41.619 --> 01:16:48.409
Okay. Two fantastic answers. I love it. What about you, Ben?
1669
01:16:48.430 --> 01:16:52.609
I just want to see our characters in that Thanksgiving movie.
1670
01:16:55.369 --> 01:16:56.630
That shit was so stupid.
1671
01:16:56.689 --> 01:16:58.949
I loved it, but that shit was so stupid. I
1672
01:16:58.989 --> 01:17:02.050
think our stupid characters would be so good.
1673
01:17:02.090 --> 01:17:03.189
Just like unassuming.
1674
01:17:03.250 --> 01:17:05.390
Like, Oh, what's the fucking carving knife doing out?
1675
01:17:05.449 --> 01:17:08.210
And like, the question is though, can you do the
1676
01:17:08.250 --> 01:17:10.470
Boston accent? Cause I feel like that's it.
1677
01:17:10.550 --> 01:17:11.609
Oh yeah.
1678
01:17:11.829 --> 01:17:12.229
Okay.
1679
01:17:12.689 --> 01:17:14.289
From Boston. Yeah.
1680
01:17:14.350 --> 01:17:17.380
Fucking get, gotta, gotta get my khakis. And I don't
1681
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.159
know if I'm talking about my keys on my pants.
1682
01:17:19.220 --> 01:17:21.760
All right, Caleb, if you had to watch these, uh,
1683
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.039
goofball survivor horror movie, what would you pick?
1684
01:17:25.270 --> 01:17:28.670
Uh, I think cabin in the woods, you know, at
1685
01:17:28.689 --> 01:17:30.890
the end of the stoner character seems to have it
1686
01:17:30.909 --> 01:17:32.609
all kind of, and I could see like a nice
1687
01:17:32.710 --> 01:17:34.829
finale in that too, where they like hit the ball
1688
01:17:34.890 --> 01:17:37.069
and it ricochets and then it unleashes, you know, all
1689
01:17:37.090 --> 01:17:39.770
the creatures and they're somehow safe.
1690
01:17:39.550 --> 01:17:40.729
From all of it in the end, you know, where
1691
01:17:40.770 --> 01:17:42.050
they stand up covered in blood.
1692
01:17:42.470 --> 01:17:44.729
Oh man. I could see that too. Cause there's that
1693
01:17:44.789 --> 01:17:48.770
moment when, you know, uh, RIP, uh, Thor, when he
1694
01:17:48.949 --> 01:17:52.520
jumps his motorbike into the fucking invisible wall and, There'd
1695
01:17:52.539 --> 01:17:54.819
be a great moment for a golf gag there where
1696
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:56.810
they go to drive and they hit the edge of
1697
01:17:56.819 --> 01:17:59.390
the wall. I mean, that fits in perfectly. I don't
1698
01:17:59.430 --> 01:18:03.569
even think I asked this, but what was the driving force,
1699
01:18:03.630 --> 01:18:06.829
if you will, pun intended, of making this built around
1700
01:18:06.869 --> 01:18:11.369
the putt-putt or mini-golf? What did that derive from? Did
1701
01:18:11.409 --> 01:18:12.390
I ask that already? The driving force.
1702
01:18:13.300 --> 01:18:15.680
Well, it kind of goes back to the beginning where
1703
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:20.300
I grew up with this mini golf course. A movie
1704
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:22.840
around this mini golf course would be amazing. I felt
1705
01:18:22.859 --> 01:18:26.010
like I hadn't seen many mini golf movies. Now here
1706
01:18:26.050 --> 01:18:28.649
there is one in production that just wrapped that I'm
1707
01:18:28.989 --> 01:18:29.590
pissed about.
1708
01:18:30.109 --> 01:18:31.460
Who is it?
1709
01:18:31.619 --> 01:18:33.819
I'm going to DM them. Who is this?
1710
01:18:34.060 --> 01:18:34.439
Yeah, yeah.
1711
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:34.899
DM them.
1712
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:36.899
No, you're going to DM them for the podcast. I'm
1713
01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:38.560
not freaking telling you.
1714
01:18:39.220 --> 01:18:40.920
I would never. This is the only.
1715
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.390
Let me tell you. Not as big as us, but
1716
01:18:43.409 --> 01:18:46.510
they're big. But I didn't see many of that. I
1717
01:18:46.609 --> 01:18:48.270
was like, I think that would be a kind of
1718
01:18:48.310 --> 01:18:50.710
like a fun shtick. I think the one thing, if
1719
01:18:50.729 --> 01:18:53.130
I were to go back, I would maybe want a
1720
01:18:53.149 --> 01:18:56.380
couple more scenes at the, at the mini golf place.
1721
01:18:56.409 --> 01:18:59.020
But again, I was like, it like, kind of like
1722
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.840
you said, the movie moves along and we just didn't
1723
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:03.819
want to hang at a place where, where there wasn't
1724
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:04.680
like more action.
1725
01:19:05.659 --> 01:19:06.260
Taking place.
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01:19:06.979 --> 01:19:10.840
No, I love that. I couldn't tell you another horror
1727
01:19:10.899 --> 01:19:15.300
movie that was centered around a mini-golf. So let's end
1728
01:19:15.340 --> 01:19:17.390
the debate here. Is it Putt-Putt or is it mini-golf?
1729
01:19:17.489 --> 01:19:19.050
I think we need to settle this debate here.
1730
01:19:19.069 --> 01:19:20.109
I haven't seen mini-golf.
1731
01:19:21.289 --> 01:19:21.930
What do we got?
1732
01:19:22.949 --> 01:19:26.470
I've always said mini-golf. I've only ever said mini-golf.
1733
01:19:26.550 --> 01:19:30.689
I'm team Putt-Putt. I wrote another script separately and I
1734
01:19:30.729 --> 01:19:31.880
have a Putt-Putt reference.
1735
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:32.720
Alright, Ben?
1736
01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:36.170
I'm a mini-golf, as you can tell from the movie
1737
01:19:36.229 --> 01:19:36.670
as well.
1738
01:19:36.890 --> 01:19:39.600
So now I'm the deciding factor. Austin?
1739
01:19:39.739 --> 01:19:41.880
You've been saying putt-putt mostly.
1740
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:42.399
I know.
1741
01:19:42.420 --> 01:19:46.020
I have been. I have been saying putt putt a lot. Uh,
1742
01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:47.779
I guess it's two to two and we didn't fucking
1743
01:19:47.819 --> 01:19:50.500
figure out shit. Um, I'll have to.
1744
01:19:50.539 --> 01:19:54.039
Listeners weigh in on the comments. Tell us what you think.
1745
01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:58.479
I'm going to, I'll put this in the episode description.
1746
01:19:58.539 --> 01:20:00.619
Maybe I think you can do voting on YouTube. We'll
1747
01:20:00.659 --> 01:20:01.159
do that.
1748
01:20:01.180 --> 01:20:02.810
Uh, let's do it.
1749
01:20:02.859 --> 01:20:03.100
Actually.
1750
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:03.859
That's really cool.
1751
01:20:03.930 --> 01:20:05.319
I need to also know if they made it to
1752
01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:06.590
the hour 20 mark.
1753
01:20:06.770 --> 01:20:11.109
Oh, That's why you got to ask the questions at
1754
01:20:11.130 --> 01:20:13.529
the end for the audience. So, you know, if you're right,
1755
01:20:13.550 --> 01:20:16.750
you're right. The retention is there. That's right.
1756
01:20:17.930 --> 01:20:19.689
I see you mom watching this fully through.
1757
01:20:19.710 --> 01:20:20.970
Yeah.
1758
01:20:21.869 --> 01:20:23.489
I think that's pretty much all I have, but I
1759
01:20:23.529 --> 01:20:26.689
do want to go around and to everyone. And is
1760
01:20:26.710 --> 01:20:31.369
there anything you didn't mention that wanted to get mentioned? Missionary.
1761
01:20:32.430 --> 01:20:32.829
All right.
1762
01:20:33.770 --> 01:20:36.329
Missionary for Ben. What do we have for Dylan?
1763
01:20:36.409 --> 01:20:37.550
Yeah. Oh man.
1764
01:20:39.020 --> 01:20:42.520
You got a lot to look forward to.
1765
01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:46.680
There's just so many choices to choose from.
1766
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.399
I know, I know.
1767
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:51.310
And I have so much experience in all of them.
1768
01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:53.729
I just got to really think it out.
1769
01:20:53.810 --> 01:20:56.930
I'm going to really hone in here.
1770
01:20:56.970 --> 01:20:57.350
Alone.
1771
01:20:57.369 --> 01:20:59.510
Alone.
1772
01:21:02.250 --> 01:21:05.100
No, I would just say my mind is like, go
1773
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:07.020
watch it. I hope you enjoy it.
1774
01:21:07.649 --> 01:21:09.729
Let us know. Give it a good rating if you
1775
01:21:09.750 --> 01:21:11.710
like it. And if you don't, you don't have to
1776
01:21:11.750 --> 01:21:12.050
rate it.
1777
01:21:12.050 --> 01:21:12.909
You don't.
1778
01:21:14.409 --> 01:21:21.689
Even love it. Don't hate rate things. Just because there's
1779
01:21:21.710 --> 01:21:25.109
a difference between a bad movie and a movie that's
1780
01:21:25.170 --> 01:21:28.909
just not for you. You can't give a movie one
1781
01:21:28.949 --> 01:21:33.180
star because, well, this is just not my genre. Then
1782
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.859
don't rate it. That's all I'm going to say. This
1783
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:38.789
is not a bad movie by any means. There's a
1784
01:21:38.810 --> 01:21:42.430
lot of heart in it. There's a lot of... I mean,
1785
01:21:42.449 --> 01:21:45.970
production value is great for this. And again, I will
1786
01:21:46.310 --> 01:21:49.569
go back to the very creative inserts of the 8-bit.
1787
01:21:50.229 --> 01:21:52.920
I would so much rather watch a creative insert that
1788
01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:56.439
fits the theme of the movie than just terrible CG.
1789
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:59.000
And the CG that you guys do use towards the
1790
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.539
end of the movie still looks pretty good. I mean, like,
1791
01:22:01.619 --> 01:22:05.100
it looks good. It doesn't look... It doesn't look cheesy
1792
01:22:05.140 --> 01:22:07.819
or anything. It actually fits the vibe of the movie.
1793
01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.760
Does anyone else see Frozen Dylan over there?
1794
01:22:11.020 --> 01:22:13.279
Frozen Dylan? Yeah, he looks like a Van Gogh.
1795
01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:14.010
Oh, shit.
1796
01:22:14.029 --> 01:22:14.369
He is.
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01:22:14.409 --> 01:22:15.270
He is Frozen.
1798
01:22:15.350 --> 01:22:17.890
He looks like that new game where you have to
1799
01:22:17.949 --> 01:22:20.130
put that character in and then paint him around.
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01:22:22.229 --> 01:22:23.609
Dylan, are you still with us?
1801
01:22:24.010 --> 01:22:24.180
Oh, no.
1802
01:22:24.189 --> 01:22:25.130
Oh, he's gone.
1803
01:22:25.189 --> 01:22:25.689
He's gone.
1804
01:22:26.250 --> 01:22:28.770
Oh, man. And then there were two or three. I
1805
01:22:28.810 --> 01:22:29.770
can count.
1806
01:22:29.789 --> 01:22:31.550
So I guess my vote really loses.
1807
01:22:31.609 --> 01:22:32.649
I guess it's Pup Pup.
1808
01:22:32.510 --> 01:22:33.229
For sure then.
1809
01:22:33.529 --> 01:22:33.729
Shit.
1810
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:38.380
What about you, Caleb? Anything you'd like to say? Final
1811
01:22:38.420 --> 01:22:41.100
thoughts here on Gothic Slayers?
1812
01:22:41.939 --> 01:22:45.890
Yeah, I think for me, from making the film to now,
1813
01:22:46.090 --> 01:22:48.869
I think the coolest experience that I've had as a
1814
01:22:48.949 --> 01:22:51.630
creator that I would just love to express to anybody
1815
01:22:51.689 --> 01:22:53.970
else out there who's thinking about making a project or
1816
01:22:54.010 --> 01:22:58.430
making something is that I think the best part about
1817
01:22:58.489 --> 01:23:01.470
it is when I first made the film, I went
1818
01:23:01.489 --> 01:23:02.850
in with the hopes that I was going to like
1819
01:23:03.409 --> 01:23:05.130
you know, oh, man, I'm going to have, like, all
1820
01:23:05.149 --> 01:23:08.329
of this praise from, like, my peers and, like, oh,
1821
01:23:08.350 --> 01:23:11.229
the Academy is going to, you know, request me immediately
1822
01:23:11.270 --> 01:23:11.630
and they're.
1823
01:23:11.510 --> 01:23:13.590
Going to put me up for an Oscar and all
1824
01:23:13.630 --> 01:23:14.130
those things.
1825
01:23:14.270 --> 01:23:16.810
But I think what I found to be, like, the
1826
01:23:16.850 --> 01:23:18.920
most rewarding part of the process is, like, getting the
1827
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:21.760
chance to, like, meet people like you, Austin, who find
1828
01:23:21.819 --> 01:23:23.920
our film and, like, connect with it on, like, a
1829
01:23:23.979 --> 01:23:27.800
real level and, you know, to, like, be able to pull, like,
1830
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:30.220
pull a community together of people who are just, like,
1831
01:23:30.689 --> 01:23:33.449
I really liked what you were trying to say. And
1832
01:23:33.510 --> 01:23:36.500
I think for a long time in my career, I
1833
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.220
was always trying to chase validation from my peers. And
1834
01:23:40.779 --> 01:23:44.000
what I found to be much more rewarding is just
1835
01:23:44.100 --> 01:23:46.720
finding people out there in the world who have my
1836
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:50.090
sense of humor, who like the same things that I like,
1837
01:23:50.149 --> 01:23:54.050
that appreciate these artistic liberties that I'm trying to take.
1838
01:23:54.149 --> 01:23:56.729
So to anybody else who's out there making a project,
1839
01:23:56.829 --> 01:23:59.010
I would just say, make the film that you want
1840
01:23:59.029 --> 01:24:01.149
to make and make the story and do the art that,
1841
01:24:01.310 --> 01:24:03.970
that speaks to you because you'll find people who have
1842
01:24:04.029 --> 01:24:05.250
that within themselves too.
1843
01:24:05.329 --> 01:24:08.239
And they'll connect with it. Um, instead of trying to make.
1844
01:24:08.140 --> 01:24:13.840
Something for some snob, you know, like, you know, be
1845
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.560
all prissy about like all of this, you know? Uh,
1846
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.060
so yeah, really just tell the story that like you
1847
01:24:19.100 --> 01:24:22.359
want to tell and you'll, you'll find a great community
1848
01:24:22.380 --> 01:24:25.079
of people who, you know, understand what you're saying and
1849
01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:25.699
want to connect.
1850
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:27.810
God, that was such a better answer than missionaries.
1851
01:24:28.649 --> 01:24:30.600
Man, yeah. Fuck.
1852
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.659
I'm going to have to go rethink this.
1853
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:36.359
Goddamn hindsight. Yeah, no, I agree with that, though, because
1854
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.920
it's like, yeah, make the movie you want. Don't make
1855
01:24:38.979 --> 01:24:42.350
it to appeal to anybody because at the end of
1856
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.350
the day, your movie is not going to appeal to everybody.
1857
01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:47.850
It's just a simple fact. As much as I want
1858
01:24:47.970 --> 01:24:52.270
to believe that the project I have going on will
1859
01:24:52.350 --> 01:24:53.939
everyone will love, I know there's going to be people
1860
01:24:53.979 --> 01:24:55.380
that it's just not going to be their thing. Like,
1861
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:57.399
I get it. So make the movie that you want
1862
01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:59.579
because you're right. You will find people along the way
1863
01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:01.899
who vibe with it. Like, I am so glad I
1864
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.229
found this movie and picked it because, and that's another
1865
01:25:05.270 --> 01:25:07.710
thing too. When you make a movie, you gotta have
1866
01:25:07.729 --> 01:25:09.789
a good poster. And let me tell you, I get
1867
01:25:09.890 --> 01:25:12.149
another 10 out of 10 on the poster because when
1868
01:25:12.210 --> 01:25:15.529
I just saw two goofballs with like, you know, fucking
1869
01:25:15.609 --> 01:25:19.810
putters and demonic shit in the background that said Gothic Slayers, literally,
1870
01:25:19.850 --> 01:25:21.829
I didn't even read the description. I just said, that's
1871
01:25:21.869 --> 01:25:24.399
enough information. I put it in my cart. I did
1872
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:26.720
check the Letterboxd rating because I'm a Letterboxd slut, and
1873
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:29.539
I was like, oh, wow, 3.1 out of 5. Okay.
1874
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:30.770
Even better.
1875
01:25:30.779 --> 01:25:32.159
Well, that's the thing, too.
1876
01:25:32.170 --> 01:25:35.750
I mean, jumping off of Caleb just real quick. Oh, yeah.
1877
01:25:35.850 --> 01:25:38.949
When we get bad Letterboxd reviews or wherever they are,
1878
01:25:38.970 --> 01:25:41.649
the thing that keeps you going, and maybe this will
1879
01:25:41.670 --> 01:25:44.090
help you, I'm sure you won't get any bad Letterboxd reviews, Austin.
1880
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:45.720
I'm almost 100% sure.
1881
01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:48.340
But if you do, the thing that gets you through
1882
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:50.880
is knowing that, like, you made the film that you
1883
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:52.100
wanted to make if you did that.
1884
01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:52.399
Right.
1885
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.600
Like, but if you had catered to other people along
1886
01:25:54.619 --> 01:25:57.260
the way, you would have these doubts and you go like,
1887
01:25:57.300 --> 01:25:59.439
you know, if I had just made the film I
1888
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:01.539
wanted to make, maybe then people would like it, but
1889
01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:03.689
you made what you made. And when we get a
1890
01:26:03.699 --> 01:26:07.409
better view, I just, I, I read it. And a
1891
01:26:07.449 --> 01:26:09.010
lot of times I understand it. Like a lot of
1892
01:26:09.069 --> 01:26:11.369
it's like, it's not enough guts or gore. And when
1893
01:26:11.409 --> 01:26:13.590
you enter that horror sphere, that's what's going to happen.
1894
01:26:14.229 --> 01:26:14.880
Oh, there he is.
1895
01:26:14.949 --> 01:26:18.180
One last word in. He figured it out. He had
1896
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:18.819
to go write it.
1897
01:26:18.819 --> 01:26:24.960
Uh, But anyway, Dylan, what we were saying was that
1898
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:27.579
the thing that gets me through Letterboxd reviews, first of all,
1899
01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.649
is that I let these two read them and then
1900
01:26:29.710 --> 01:26:30.149
send me the.
1901
01:26:30.170 --> 01:26:32.970
Ones that I'm allowed to read because I'll go crazy.
1902
01:26:33.170 --> 01:26:36.310
But when I do read the bad ones, I go,
1903
01:26:36.390 --> 01:26:37.149
you know what?
1904
01:26:38.550 --> 01:26:39.890
We made the film that we wanted to make. I
1905
01:26:39.909 --> 01:26:40.949
wouldn't change any scene.
1906
01:26:41.100 --> 01:26:42.840
I literally watch the film and I go, I wouldn't
1907
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:43.979
change anything other than.
1908
01:26:43.899 --> 01:26:46.720
Put a montage in. But that's okay.
1909
01:26:46.739 --> 01:26:49.319
So that's my last thing piggybacking off of Caleb. Dylan,
1910
01:26:49.340 --> 01:26:52.050
you should go listen to this podcast that we've all
1911
01:26:52.090 --> 01:26:55.689
been recording without you because Caleb had an amazing answer
1912
01:26:55.750 --> 01:26:58.960
about why you should become a filmmaker and why God–
1913
01:26:59.189 --> 01:27:00.729
he actually just explained.
1914
01:27:00.390 --> 01:27:01.590
Why we're all here on earth.
1915
01:27:01.670 --> 01:27:03.189
But anyway, you wrap it up.
1916
01:27:03.250 --> 01:27:04.449
What's your last word, Dylan?
1917
01:27:05.260 --> 01:27:09.960
My last word, I disagree with everything Caleb said about
1918
01:27:10.100 --> 01:27:15.180
filmmaking and– I had to get off of this recording.
1919
01:27:15.220 --> 01:27:17.079
I was like, he's going to go off on why
1920
01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:22.619
we're all here. No, I obviously did not hear what
1921
01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:27.159
Caleb said, but going off of talking about Letterboxd and
1922
01:27:27.180 --> 01:27:31.699
stuff like that, because you guys mentioned Edgar Wright earlier.
1923
01:27:31.729 --> 01:27:35.689
I remember there was this one negative review. I don't
1924
01:27:35.710 --> 01:27:38.390
remember what they rated it, but I remember the review.
1925
01:27:38.409 --> 01:27:43.239
What they wrote was... something along the lines of like
1926
01:27:43.300 --> 01:27:47.090
these guys think they're edgar wright and i like i
1927
01:27:47.149 --> 01:27:51.609
felt like oh so you saw the like it's funny
1928
01:27:51.670 --> 01:27:54.069
to give something a negative review but then you're kind
1929
01:27:54.109 --> 01:27:56.149
of complimenting us at the same time like these guys
1930
01:27:56.170 --> 01:27:58.159
think that they're edgar wright i'm like well we never
1931
01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:02.439
said anything about us doing anything edgar wright adjacent so
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the fact that you're picking up on anything like that
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is actually a compliment is that from edgar wright yes
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edgar wright wrote.
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It fucking guys He's chewing it. I'll read you some
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good ones that I enjoyed from Letterboxd here. Five stars
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from someone named Dialio. Ben and Dylan don't kiss. Sad face.
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Oh, yeah.
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That was my mom.
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My mom, Dialio.
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What a name. Another five stars.
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Dialio.
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You guys know a guy named Chris Zank? Is he
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just gas in this movie? Is he a crew member? No, no.
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Okay.
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Such a surprise. The high comedy and low horror movie
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just hits the best of what it is. Is it
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low budget? Yes, but it hides that flaw in very
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creative ways. These two best friends love a specific arcade game.
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and some scenes in the film look very similar to
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Super Nintendo Sidescroller. It's fun to watch. I was not
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scared at all, but I was highly entertained.
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Well, now you just got us in trouble with Nintendo, so.
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Oh, fuck.
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Another cease and desist from Nintendo.
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I'm praying for that cease and desist.
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And then the last one here, another five-star from Cobra86,
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who has literally only rated two movies... deep learning and
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gothic slayers so i don't know what those are whatever
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incredibly charming fusion of bill and ted the goonies and
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scott pilgrim funny heartfelt technically proficient and well cast it's
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almost impossible to not like this movie so uh even
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if that was a cat even if that.
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Was almost impossible it's almost People are going to try.
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And yet people find a way.
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There are some, there are some haters here, but you know, it's,
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it's all good. It's all good. Every, like I said,
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not everyone, you can't, there's, it's very hard to make
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a movie that appeals to literally every person on earth.
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Everyone has opinions. A lot of them in the horror
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community are wrong, but that's okay. If you can't, if
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you can't turn your brain off and just have fun
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with a movie like Gothic Slick, because that's what this
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is at the end of the day. It's a turn
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your brain off movie and enjoy. It's silly. It's funny.
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It's got some great effects and it's got a fun story.
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And if that's not your vibe, then that's totally fine.
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Go watch whatever the hell else is your vibe. Uh,
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but I can't, what's that?
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Despicable Me 4. That's, that's like, that's the top tier.
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Like that's a film critics like, best film.
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Or their new one minions and monsters because they are
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just universal is milking the men like oh my god
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we get it the minion verse the minion verse they
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literally changed milking no go ahead milking.
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The minions is actually no one's response to the sex
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question exactly.
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And on that perfect note when we're the poking the
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begins their their what I love that new scene in
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the new movie where they're milking those minions. It's a,
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it's truly a love story.
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So when you, so Austin, when they, when you upload
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this to YouTube and they ask, it was this creative,
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you can say, yes.
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Yeah. I think, I think this will be the rare
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instance where I, yes. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think we'll, this will be the rare
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instance where I'm like, this is made for kids. All
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the children.
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Should watch this.
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We did mention minions. Um, so Dylan, if everyone wants
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to follow you on social media, where can they find you?
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You can follow me at, I'm on Instagram at Dylan
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underscore Eshba. First name, underscore, last name.
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Yeah.
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Enjoy. Spell it just how it sounds. Sound it out.
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It's not that hard. What about you?
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D-Y-L-A-N.
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No, shut up. All right, Mr. Getz, where can people
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find you?
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You can find me on Instagram at Benny and the Getz,
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a little play on Benny and the Jets.
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Yeah, love that. What about you, Caleb?
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You can find me on Instagram at Caleb, C-A-L-E-B, or
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you can look me up at Junction Lads Productions on Instagram.
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Perfect.
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At every point, I mean, everyone should know where to
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follow the show at this point. I mean, links are
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in the description. Check the bio, all the above. We're everywhere.
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This is probably going to be a YouTube exclusive, but
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I might release the audio version if it doesn't sound.
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Because with how I'm recording it, I have separate tracks,
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so I can kind of adjust levels, and my mixer
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doesn't allow me to do that. You guys are all
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on one track. So if it sounds good and I
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can clean it up, then we'll release it as a
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podcast episode. Otherwise, it'll just be on YouTube, and then
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we can promote the shit out of it there. I'm
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going to show everybody this again. You should go buy this.
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Gothic Slayers on Blu-ray. If you don't like physical media
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and supporting indie movies, I guess just go watch it
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on Prime. I guess. I guess. I can't recommend it.
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But that's going to do it for this one, guys.
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Thanks for joining me. I appreciate everyone being here and
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taking an hour and a half of their day to
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talk to a goofball like myself, but Before you get
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into Gothic Slayers, if you haven't watched it, you've got
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to make sure you grab your putters, your scorecards, and
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your pencils, even though we're not going to keep score.
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And remember, there are no refunds on lost balls. Also,
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please don't make eye contact with the squirrel statue on
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hole five because people say it's haunted. So I'm going
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to leave it with that. But yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
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Thank you guys for joining. And until next time, guys,
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stay spooky.
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Bye. so so Thank you for listening.
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