FKN Classics Double Feature! Dr Gregory Little - Atlantis | Nathaniel Gillis - Soul Hunters

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Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
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want to welcome Dr. Gregory Little. He's a researcher and
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author of over 30 books. His research has been featured
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on the National Geographic Channel, MSNBC, Discovery, and the History Channel.
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Dr.
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Little, welcome and how are you?
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I'm doing good. Middle of winter, but things are good,
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except for COVID. A lot of people stuck inside, but
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I'm doing great. You doing good?
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I'm doing great. I've been looking forward today. It's going
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to be a great discussion. I'd really love to talk
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about aspects of our hidden history that most of academia,
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modern archaeology, and maybe even most of mainstream science wouldn't
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touch with a 10-foot pole. But it appears more and
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more likely to be true as researchers like yourself put
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these puzzle pieces together. And we find out more and
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more that our history is much more interesting and fantastic
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than much of academia would like to put forward. But
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this is your first time on. I'd love to hear
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really what got you interested in these topics and what
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set you on your path.
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Well, I've been asked that before. I usually give the
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same answer, but that The honest answer, I'll give the
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completely honest answer today, and that is, I have no idea.
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I don't know. I don't know what set me off
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in this. I had a, I think that to really
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talk an even deeper layer here, I think there's some
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genetic stuff that goes on with people's interests in things.
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Some people are interested. It's like people that are obsessed
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with sex, which is a lot of people, but there's
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a genetic component to that. There's a genetic component. The
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genetic component goes to, um, hormones and drives and all that,
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but there's a genetic component to lots of things. So yeah,
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I think there's a genetic component. My grandfather was a dowser.
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Now he was a talent. He was an elected official
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in a town in Pennsylvania. He was a, uh, supervisor
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at a factory in our town, but he did dowsing
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and he did what are called powwows. And a powwow
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is a, it's a healing thing that you do. And
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he passed, he gave me some of that before he died.
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There are certain things that you're supposed to say and
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do when you do this healing stuff, but I think
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there's a genetic component in it. I can say this,
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my mother and father had no interest whatsoever in any
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of this. My brother and sister have no interest whatsoever
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in any of it. And so I think there's something
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deeper that goes on. Clearly, there are things that happen
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in our early life. Like we moved to Huntsville, Alabama
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after John F. Kennedy was assassinated. And when we moved there,
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my father went to work at Redstone Arsenal. He actually met,
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good God, man, the German rocket scientist, his name. Wernher
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von Braun? Yeah, he met Werner von Braun. And I
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asked him, my dad died a few months ago. He
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was 96. And I asked him about his meeting with
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von Braun. And I said, he said, oh, yeah, we
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ate together. And I said, what did you say? What
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did you talk about? And he said, I have no idea.
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I don't remember. And I said, well, how did you
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meet him? And he said, well, we were at Red
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Star and Arsenal. And we were in line at a
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sub shop to get a submarine sandwich. And he was
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behind me. And he said he ordered the exact same
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thing that I did. We looked at each other. And
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he said, oh, let's sit down and talk. So that
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was it. But I mean, that clearly plays a role.
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Moving to Huntsville, I remember reading about UFOs when we
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moved to Huntsville. And that was 1964, folks. So that
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was a long time ago. Of course, I was real
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young then. At least I think I was real young then.
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I don't remember real well. But there's events like that.
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There's things that happen in my own life that are
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sort of inexplicable that I can't really get a handle
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on they just happened so the interest has always been
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there as long as I can recall I will say
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this I had no interest in Edgar Cayce I'm sure
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at some point here we'll talk about Edgar Cayce I
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had no interest in the Cayce readings and all the
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information contained in that zero interest in Atlantis nothing and
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that's the thing one of the things we're best known
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for are being Atlantis researchers which is kind of weird but, uh,
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part of that Atlantis research stuff, my wife and I
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spent 25 weeks on boats in the Bahamas searching underwater
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areas for archeological remains. Uh, so, but I had no
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interest in it initially. It just sort of happened. Uh,
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my initial interest was UFOs. I wrote about UFOs. I
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wrote about Carl Jung. I got really interested in Carl
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Jung stuff. And of course my background in psychology fit
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into all this. And, uh, But I really can't pin
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down anything and say, this is why I got into anything,
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except the Native American stuff. The Native American, my interest
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in Indian mounds, which I'm the mound guy. I wrote
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a mound encyclopedia. It's very well respected, very authoritative, massive book.
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And I'm in the process of trying to update it now.
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But that happened, my interest in that happened through a
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series of Of dreams. Absolutely true story. I had these
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dreams after I finished my first book in 1983 is
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when I had it written and sent off to publishers.
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I started having a series of dreams where I was
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standing on Indian mounds taking pictures. And then I was
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on another mound taking pictures and another and another. And
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I had no idea what an Indian mound was then.
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Like most people, I thought it was a little tiny
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hump of earth, like a conical hunk of earth. And
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under it were burials. That's all I knew. And that
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is true to some extent. There are lots and lots
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of those, but there are also some really incredible mounds
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and geometric earthworks, particularly in the United States. But anyway,
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that came from dreams. And then after my first book
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came out talking about Native American stuff, my family gave
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me a picture and my parents and my aunt and
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uncle started telling me, oh, yeah, you have Native American
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blood in you. And so they gave me the pictures
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and talked about that. And it was something that they
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had concealed for many years because I suspect the family
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was ashamed of it at one time. But I kind
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of embraced it. It's not very much. We don't have
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very much of it. And chances are loads and loads
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of Americans have some Native American blood in them. So
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that's my answer.
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It's a long answer, I know.
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I tend to give long, long answers.
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Oh, no, that's perfectly fine. We love long answers here.
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But it gives us so much to go off of.
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We got so much we could talk about today. But
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like I said, I want to start at least with
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a little bit of our hidden history. Now, the more
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we learn about the age of humans, the further that
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seems to go back. The more we learn about how
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advanced we actually were in our ancient past, that seems
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to go up. And how our spiritual practices are constantly
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changing as we learn new things about our ancient ancestors. First,
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let's start with, you know, possibly Atlantis.
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How far back?
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Do you think advanced humans could have possibly been here?
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Well, I think there were advanced, depends what you mean
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by advanced, but there were civilizations on earth long ago,
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could be hundreds of thousands of years ago, but it's
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most likely that are pretty clear that before 10,000 BC,
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maybe 11,000 BC, 12,000 BC, there were some pretty advanced civilizations.
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And we know that through the discovery of Gobekli Tepe
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in Turkey and Tarahan Tepe in Turkey, which is very
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much like Gobekli Tepe, maybe even older. And we know
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from various other places like Malta and even places in
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the UK and South America, which is the Americas really
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have some of the most incredible stuff in it. But
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it goes back a long time. Those civilizations, were destroyed.
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Plato talked about it in his dialogues where he discussed Atlantis.
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And Plato really began by saying that there have been many,
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many prior civilizations that were pretty advanced and they were
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destroyed time and time again. And they were destroyed, according
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to Plato, through some sort of, I'm going to use
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the word extraterrestrial, but I mean like an asteroid. An
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asteroid's extraterrestrial. Maybe an asteroid, a comet, but something which
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they saw as like Thor throwing down a thunderbolt to
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destroy people. And that's how he talked about the gods.
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The gods of the sky were upset. And in response,
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they and that's where his dialogues ended. He was talking
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about Atlantis and he said they were upset with him
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and they decided to do something from the sky. And
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he never finished it. He died before he got a
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chance to finish it. So, yes, I think Atlantis actually,
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Atlantis was a maritime culture that existed all around the Atlantic,
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including north and parts of North America, South America, Central America,
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the Caribbean. It also included the Azores in the middle
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of the ocean, the Canary Islands, Spartel, which was an
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island right outside of Gibraltar that's now underwater. And certain
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areas along the coast of Portugal and Spain. and France.
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I think all of that is part of the Atlantis Empire.
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Of course, everybody wants to try and find the center
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city of Atlantis, which they have zeroed in on little
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circular islands, maybe two to three miles in diameter. But
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Plato made it very clear the center city of Atlantis
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was on a very large island, 250 miles by roughly
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400 miles. And that's certainly not a tiny island like
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Spartel or the island in the Mediterranean called Thera or
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Santorini can't be. And plus they're in the Mediterranean. And
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Plato said that Atlantis was located outside of the Mediterranean
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in the true ocean. And you had to go through
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what he called the Pillars of Hercules, which is the
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Straits of Gibraltar. to get to the true ocean. And
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if you hopped from island to island, you could get
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to an opposite continent. So it's very clear that in
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600 BC, 600 BC, Plato was aware that there were
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islands in the Atlantic and that if you went from
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island to island, you would eventually reach a continent on
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the other side. And of course, that's what Columbus was
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looking for But it was known long before Columbus. We
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know the Vikings were here and lots of other stuff.
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But I think Atlantis was a maritime culture all over
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the place.
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Now, how advanced do you think they were? You said maritime.
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There's some researchers that believe they were extremely advanced up
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to the point with the ability to traverse the stars
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or have flight.
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I don't know.
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What do you think about their capabilities of technology? And
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the possibility that a good bit of it was lost,
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it seems like if they were advanced, it would have
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been a lot different than what we think of as
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advanced technology today, right?
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Yeah, that's a really good question. I will say this.
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You're familiar with who Edgar Cayce the psychic is?
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Yes, of course. Okay.
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He had a son whose name was Edgar Evans Cayce.
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That was his... youngest son, Edgar Evans Casey. And Edgar Evans,
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I remember we did an interview with him. We filmed
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an interview that we did on a documentary. And Edgar
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Evans made the point that the more advanced a civilization is,
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the easier it is to destroy. And here's what he
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meant by that. We don't build today with blocks of stone,
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not really. If you look at the Great Pyramid, It's
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built with blocks of stone. We do use bricks and
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stone and all that, but we also use mortar. There's
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no mortar in that. So we don't build like that anymore.
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And so we're more advanced than they were. We build
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with steel, which can rust, and steel will be gone.
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If you don't take care of it, if you don't
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paint it, if you don't get rid of the rust,
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if you don't constantly maintain it, it gets destroyed. The
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same with concrete. Concrete breaks down, gets destroyed. Same with
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everything we do. If we didn't do anything at all,
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if humans disappeared, that's a great show to watch, by
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the way, what if humans disappeared? Within 10,000 years, you
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wouldn't see anything. Even before 10,000 years, you wouldn't see anything.
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You wouldn't see any cars that are left, even though
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they'd all be left and rusted and rotted in place.
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Chances are in 10,000 years, the only thing we would
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find are bits of plastic Plastic that doesn't deteriorate very fast.
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It has to be exposed to the sun or chemicals,
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and then it never really just breaks into smaller and
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smaller pieces. But a really modern civilization is very easy
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to destroy. Imagine, for example, if an EMP, electromagnetic pulse,
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hit the entire world and it shut down the entire
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electrical grid. Everything shut down. We would not have sewers anymore.
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We would not have running water. We would not have
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anything that's electrical whatsoever. How long would we survive and
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who would survive? Only people who are prepared for it
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or who are really, really smart and really, really capable
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of doing things would survive. So Edgar Evans was making
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the point that even if Atlantis did exist and it
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was destroyed someday, 12,000 years ago, which would put it
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at 10,000 BC, which is what both Cayce and Plato said.
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Plato gave us a date in 9,600 BC. Even if
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it was destroyed then, chances are the only thing we'd
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find is stone. Everything else is gone. Now, we did
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years of looking underwater in the Bahamas, and we found
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31 crashed planes. A lot of those planes were were
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down for maybe 20, 25 years. And they were almost gone.
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There were some of them that were down there a
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lot longer than that. But I mean, it's like everything
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is just deteriorating on them. It's just gone. We found ships.
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We found four or five ships. The wooden ships just
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totally disappear. And it's from a type of worm, a
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woodworm that gets in them. And the only way that
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the wood gets preserved under there in the ocean is
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if sand covers it and then the worms can't get
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to it. So it is very, very easy for an
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advanced civilization to destroy, to be destroyed. The ones that
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aren't are the ones that used stone or lived in
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caves and did cave paintings and all that. So, yeah,
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I think there was an advanced civilization. I don't think
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that they had spaceships. A lot of that comes from
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people speculating on what Edgar Cayce said. So let's talk
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about what, Plato said about it. Plato talked about horses
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and chariots and spears and bows and arrows. He talked
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about them having the capability of traveling really well, of
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getting across the ocean. But of course, they were using
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sailing vessels and all that. Plato didn't talk about anything
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they had advanced, except they were very, very good at
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what they did. Cayce, on the other hand, said that
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they could travel in the air. And from that, people
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and that they could communicate with other spheres in the universe.
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So and that there were visitations from other spheres. That's
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in the Cayce readings. So a lot of people have
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assumed that Cayce saying they had spaceships. They had nuclear
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nuclear power. God knows what they had. Airplanes, whatever. But
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if you really read Edgar Cayce's readings at the height
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of Atlantis, which he gave a date. of 28,000 BC
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as being when Atlantis reached its technological height. So according
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to Cayce, Atlantis began in 200,000 BC. In 28,000 BC,
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it reached its height in technology. And the height was this.
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He said that they used what would almost be like
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a dirigible or a blimp to travel in the air.
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They generated the hot air. They were like hot air balloons,
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but they generated that by using crystals and that they
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would focus the light from the sun into the crystals
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and then through some mechanical means create hot air. And
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that is what also gave these devices their propulsion. So,
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all right. So that was the height. But what were
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those made out of?
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Here we go.
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You might think, oh, they had rubber or plastic or whatever.
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They didn't. Casey said they used the skin of pachyderms
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to create the exterior of these blimp-like objects that they
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use to fly. Pachyderm is an elephant, or it could
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be a woolly mammoth or any of that, since that's
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also in the same family. So that doesn't sound real advanced.
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It sounds real smart to me. You're using what you
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have in the natural world. but it doesn't sound all
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that advanced. Casey said that they also, they had the
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ability to travel quickly across the water, not because they
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had nuclear power or that they had submarines or any
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of that kind of stuff, but they did have some
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sort of steam engine capability. Don't know exactly any details
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in that because there weren't any details in the readings
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on that. But they reached the ability to grow a
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lot of food, Their agriculture was pretty good, but they
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had horses. They used chariots. They had wagons and all that.
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They didn't have automobiles. None of that is in the
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Casey readings. But he said there were two distinct groups
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that occurred at this time. One was called the children
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of the law of one that were very, very spiritual people.
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The other is called the sons of Belial or sons
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of Belial, depending on how you want to pronounce it.
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And they were into power and control. And they're the
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ones who decided to invade the Mediterranean, which was the
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beginning of the end for Atlantis when they decided to
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kind of rule the known world. So that's sort of
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Cayce's thing. There were these two sides. The sons of
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the law of one, before Atlantis was destroyed, they're the
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ones that made the Three Hall of Records, one of
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which is in Egypt. I'm sure we'll get to that.
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And we'll explain how that even occurred, because that's pretty bizarre.
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That sounds almost like UFOs when you get into the details.
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But anyway, the Sons of the Law of One were
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very spiritual, and most of them before Atlantis was destroyed,
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migrated to the Americas. And a lot of them went
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to extreme North America at the end of the last
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ice age. And they merged into the Native Americans that
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were already there. And the Atlanteans became the Iroquois, the Iroquois.
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And some of them went to South America, particularly in
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the Andes. And they merged with the people who were
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already there, but they were not the children of the
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law of one. That was the sons of Belial. And
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they were into power and control over others, as well
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as sacrifices, human sacrifices. So now, go ahead.
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According to Casey, how was Atlantis destroyed?
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Casey says it was destroyed in one day and night.
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but there were people who were observing it on the
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main island. They were on highlands in the main island.
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And according to Cayce, a lot of people escaped it.
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And it occurred from something from the sky, something from
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the sky. But that's it. We don't know. And that's
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the same thing that Plato said. It was destroyed from
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something coming from the sky. But it was something coming
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from the sky that had water levels rise almost instantly.
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And literally wipe out a civilization. And in both of those,
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it sounds almost like a tsunami caused by a comet or,
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you know, something crashing onto Earth.
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Right.
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And that's what they both said. That's that's fascinating.
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And you mentioned the halls of records that Casey talked
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about as well. And I'd love to hear about this
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because this is really fascinating.
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Well, to me, that's one of the more interesting parts
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of the story. And that's what people are really looking for,
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the halls of records. So, okay. So before Atlantis was destroyed,
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the sons of the law of one, and that word
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sons is male, I know, but there were priests and
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priestesses in Atlantis. And they were highly spiritual people. And
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they communicated with the other realm, whatever you want to
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call it. They call it higher spheres and the outer realms.
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They communicated with them through a crystal technology, crystals. And
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they had a name for the crystal. It was called
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the Tui stone, T-U-A-U-I, Tui stone. Later became a fire
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stone and it became a weapon because it was weaponized
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by the sons of Belial. And that's actually one of
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the things that caused the 28,000 BC destruction of Atlantis,
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because there were three destructions. But we're talking about the
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last one here. So before 10,000 BC, roughly 10,500 BC,
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the priests and priestesses were communicating with these outer realms
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through this crystal technology. And in the course of these communications,
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they were told that Atlantis was about to be destroyed.
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And it was going to be destroyed by something coming
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in from outer space and that they needed to create
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three places in the world where the records of Atlantis,
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their history, their culture, their technology, their beliefs, their ideas,
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all that, the records of Atlantis could be preserved for
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all time for later generations to get. It was important
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to preserve it. So they, they, they were, They were
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tasked with creating these three places. They were told what
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to put in it. And it took them a while
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to get it together. So they sent out three different
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groups to create these record halls. One of them went
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to Egypt. And the group that went to Egypt built
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a chamber under what is now the right paw of
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the stinks. It's like 30 or 40 feet down. It
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is a stone chamber. That's the one everybody's looked at.
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Believe it or not, in the early 1950s, two women
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who were members of the Association for Research and Enlightened,
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which is the ARE or the Edgar Cayce's membership organization.
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These two ladies were granted permission by the Egyptians to
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go to the Sphinx and use drills right next to
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the right paw of the Sphinx and drill down to
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try and find it. That was in the 1950s. Two
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women with no backgrounds, no, they weren't archaeologists, no college degrees,
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any of that. They just simply had money. So they
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were allowed to do this. So there's been a lot
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more research there. And yes, there is a chamber, a chasm,
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a cave, something down there. Zahi Hawass in the Egyptian
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government says it's a large crack or maybe a bit
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of a cave or a cavern or something down there.
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There's something there, never been looked at. And that's as
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far as we know about that. So that was one.
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The second Hall of Records was, and this is one
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of Cayce's most famous readings. He gave a reading in 1934,
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where he said that a portion of Atlantis would rise
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again in 1968 or 1969, and that a temple of
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the Poseidon's which was the hall of records could be
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found by making a survey to the South of Bimini,
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a geological survey to the South of Bimini in the Bahamas, uh,
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going along the Gulf stream. And he said that it
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was now underwater beneath the slime of ages. Um, I
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made a film while we were there. There's a bunch
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of documentaries. And one of them, I got out of
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a boat, this little boat we had where we had
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gone up and down Andros to tell you how difficult
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it is doing some of this research. I'm next to
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this boat. It's about the size of a rowboat. It
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was actually a sponge divers boat who you, and had
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a small motor on it, but it had next to
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no draft. So I'm standing there and you can see,
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it looks like, the water is coming up to my waist,
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basically right to my waist. And I'm holding on to
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the side of the boat. And what I say is
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I'm standing in what appears to be deeper water, but
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it's only six inches deep. And I've just simply sunk
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into this. And so I had to pull myself up.
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You can see all this white muck coming up. And
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I said, if this is not the slime of ages,
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I don't know what it is. And it really is.
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It's a pure white. It looks like mud, but it's
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like paste. And it's deep. I don't know how deep
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it goes down. We've taken poles and pushed down eight,
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nine feet before. Very difficult to get out of. But
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that's the way a lot of the Bahamas are. And
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if that ain't the slime of ages, I don't know
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what is. Interestingly, that temple near Bimini is the one
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everybody's looked at. And of course, what is known as
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the Bimini Road was found in 1968. reported in 68
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by a, um, geologist and a botanist by the name
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of Jay Manson Valentine made national news. Uh, we had
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no desire whatsoever to look at what is called the
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Bimini road, a J shaped formation of large blocks of
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stone that it looks very unusual just off the coast
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of Bimini. But I will say the last in 2012,
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my wife and I did, um, discover what really looks
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like a collapsed temple about 30 miles south of Bimini
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along the Gulf Stream in a very unusual area. It's
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made out of polished green schist. Schist is S-C-H-I-S-T. It's
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a type of stone that is kind of unusual. The
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Oracle of Delphi in Greece is made out of green schist.
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And the reason I say that is because we had
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the schist tested by three of the top geological university
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laboratories in the United States. And they say that it's
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green schist that either came from Greece or Norway in
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the Bahamas. And it looks like it has collapsed the building.
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It's a huge tear-shaped structure that looks like a tsunami
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hit it. There are giant flat pieces of rock of
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polished stone that look like flooring. There are walls and
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beams of stone. There are fluted columns that are down there.
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And it's this big teardrop shape that is almost 500
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feet long. It's a couple hundred feet wide. And it
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looks just like a tsunami hit it on this high spot.
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It's 30 feet underwater right now. But in 10,000 B.C.,
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it was about 110 feet above the waterline in 10,000 BC.
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So it would have been a stunning thing. It would
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have really been stunning to see it there. So anyway,
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that was the last thing that we found. The third
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hall of records. Oh, let me finish that. We're not
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allowed to go back to it and do any archeological work.
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It is now an officially, we notified the Bahamas. It's
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an official archeological site. And How strange is this? A
474
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salvage claim has been made on this structure with the
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possible intention of removing and reconstructing it somewhere, trying to
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reconstruct it on land. Microsoft Corporation, after we discovered it
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and after we publicized it, the Bahamas knew. I didn't
478
00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:25.589
know this at the time, but Microsoft sponsors a lot
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of archaeological work around the country. They have a foundation
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00:30:28.430 --> 00:30:30.920
around the world. They have a foundation that does that.
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And so the head of it. Yeah. They contacted me
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and asked me if I'd take them there. And I said,
483
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we just got noticed from the Bahamas government. We're not
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allowed to take anybody or tell them where it is.
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00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:44.369
The only thing we could do, the only thing we
486
00:30:44.410 --> 00:30:47.230
can legally do is go back to this and film it.
487
00:30:47.609 --> 00:30:50.799
If it under a film permit, because everything you got,
488
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:52.440
you do in the Bahamas has to be done under
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a permit. So a film permit, you can film, but
490
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.950
you can't touch it. An archaeological permit now is almost impossible.
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It's very expensive to get. And you have to designate
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00:31:03.089 --> 00:31:05.210
the area and you can't just look around. You have
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to already know what you're going to look at to
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get the archaeological permit. So that effectively just shut it
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00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:16.529
all down. But anyway, the only thing I could do
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is give him the names of our contacts in the
497
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:24.589
Bahamas who were, we would charter a liveaboard boat. We
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00:31:24.609 --> 00:31:28.170
took our own boat over to do our research, but
499
00:31:28.210 --> 00:31:30.609
we took a liveaboard charter along. We just pull ours
500
00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:32.569
along the back and then we'd use ours, which was
501
00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:35.170
very fast, had a low, it was very safe and
502
00:31:35.210 --> 00:31:38.450
very fast. And we could go a long, long way
503
00:31:38.589 --> 00:31:42.140
on it. Had only a one foot draft on this
504
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:48.480
catamaran that we took. But anyway, okay. So the third
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00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:53.400
hall of records, we've also, been to this area Casey
506
00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:57.440
said it was in the Yucatan meaning the Yucatan Peninsula
507
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before he even used that term Yucatan the state of
508
00:32:00.630 --> 00:32:03.910
Yucatan did not exist Mexico hadn't broken them into states
509
00:32:03.970 --> 00:32:07.009
and Yucatan was that whole area it was the entire
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00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:09.950
peninsula and he said that at that exact time I
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00:32:09.950 --> 00:32:12.569
think this was 1934 that he gave the reading on
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the third on the three hall of records and he
513
00:32:16.769 --> 00:32:19.579
said that it was at a site in the Yucatan
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00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:23.539
where the University of Pennsylvania was at that very moment
515
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.380
excavating and sending artifacts to the University of Pennsylvania Museum
516
00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:35.309
in Philadelphia, Penn. And so my wife and I got
517
00:32:35.369 --> 00:32:38.569
very interested in that. She took the lead on that
518
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and she wound up going to, we went to the
519
00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:44.569
University of Pennsylvania, but she got permission to go into
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the archives get the actual field notes from 1934, get
521
00:32:50.269 --> 00:32:52.410
in this area where they could lay out all the
522
00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:56.630
artifacts that they found at the University of Pennsylvania, found
523
00:32:56.670 --> 00:33:01.210
at the site. The site was identified back in 1935
524
00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:06.029
by the ARE as Piedras Negras, Guatemala. Piedras Negras means
525
00:33:06.109 --> 00:33:10.490
black rocks. And it is right along the Asuma-Senta River,
526
00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:16.650
Asuma-Senta River in Guatemala, It is in not the middle
527
00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:20.190
of Yucatan. It's toward the western side of the Yucatan.
528
00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:27.089
But the Asuma-Senta River divides Mexico and Guatemala. It's the
529
00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:30.049
dividing line between the two. And it's used by drug runners.
530
00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:36.660
So my wife wrote this book with an ARE, one
531
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.980
of the directors, John Van Auken. It did very, very well.
532
00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:43.240
And we decided then at the time, it was like impossible.
533
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:49.230
to arrange anything to get in. But we did arrange
534
00:33:49.430 --> 00:33:52.230
a thing. And if you look back at like what
535
00:33:52.269 --> 00:33:56.990
those 1800s guys did, the antiquarians who would, you know,
536
00:33:57.049 --> 00:33:59.150
two of them would spend a whole bunch of money
537
00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:00.490
and get a group of people to go in and
538
00:34:00.509 --> 00:34:03.990
do a safari, go somewhere and they get 20 helpers.
539
00:34:04.089 --> 00:34:07.109
And that's what we did. We did that to get
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00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:10.820
into Guatemala and to go to Piedras Negras, except we
541
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:13.789
had to go in these boats. And these boats, I'm
542
00:34:13.829 --> 00:34:17.280
calling them boats, they were one person wide and extremely
543
00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:20.800
long because we had to go on the Asuma Center River,
544
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:24.840
which rises and falls every day, is very dangerous, has
545
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.530
white water and falls. Unbelievable trip that we took. And
546
00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:35.949
we went to this spot, very remote, nothing there, nobody,
547
00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:42.469
no tourists there. We saw drug runners everywhere. at night
548
00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:46.800
on it going by us on the river. After we
549
00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:50.099
got back two weeks later, after we did this, and
550
00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:54.420
we did talk to the chief archaeologist in Guatemala who
551
00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:58.699
had done work at Piedras Negras, he agreed with us
552
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.010
where we identified what Edgar Cayce probably said was the
553
00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:06.170
entrance area to what he said was the third hall
554
00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:08.190
of records. And it's in a tunnel in a mountain,
555
00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:10.969
basically under a temple. So there's a temple on a
556
00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:13.550
mountain and down on the side, Casey said on the
557
00:35:13.590 --> 00:35:16.309
shadow side, there's an entrance into a tunnel and that's
558
00:35:16.329 --> 00:35:18.750
where it is. And we found that area. And I
559
00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:23.550
remember asking the archaeologist point blank on the map, this, this, this,
560
00:35:23.610 --> 00:35:25.889
this area. And he said, I would love to go
561
00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:28.869
there and dig in there. And he said, yes. He said,
562
00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:32.199
we're certain there's a tunnel there too. How'd you deduce that?
563
00:35:32.260 --> 00:35:35.360
And we said, well, we stuck our hand in this
564
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.019
thing and felt air coming out. A long involved story,
565
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.550
but it was an opening. And we said, the air
566
00:35:40.590 --> 00:35:43.610
just doesn't come out of an opening. This opening goes somewhere.
567
00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:46.639
And so the only thing they needed was permission and
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00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.360
a whole lot of money, which we didn't want to
569
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invest in it because they wouldn't allow us to be
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00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:57.320
there when they did the work. It's basically going to
571
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be a government thing. So anyway, those are the three
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00:36:00.010 --> 00:36:02.369
Hall of Records. They all have identical things in them.
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The history. And Casey talked a lot about what was
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specifically important So they would survive for all time. That
575
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is so interesting.
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00:36:16.349 --> 00:36:19.670
Now, I want to hear a little bit about what
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he said was in there, but as far as the
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00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:25.469
Hall of Records that could possibly be under the Sphinx,
579
00:36:25.610 --> 00:36:30.739
isn't there definitely a large cavernous chamber that is under
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00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:33.780
the Sphinx, right? That they don't talk about.
581
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Well, the Egyptian, Zagzahi Hawass, who's no longer the head
582
00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:42.480
of Egyptian archaeology, but the people that are the head
583
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.920
of it, they pretty much are in line with this.
584
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They believe that, or they say that what is under
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it down there is a crack where the rock is separated,
586
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or it's part of a tunnel, or it's a cave system.
587
00:37:01.329 --> 00:37:03.070
It's part of a cave. We know there are caves
588
00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:06.570
under there, Mike. co-author and very close friend, Andrew Collins,
589
00:37:06.630 --> 00:37:11.110
discovered a cave system under the Giza Plateau, actually told
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00:37:11.170 --> 00:37:16.570
Zahi about it. Within 30 minutes after he discovered it,
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00:37:16.610 --> 00:37:20.659
he was sending me emails about it because we had
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00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:25.159
gotten him funded through the ARE to do this, to
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00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.199
do that research there. And so there is a cave
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00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.130
system there. Zahi knows about it now. He didn't know
595
00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:37.150
about it at the time But they claim that it's
596
00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:40.869
just a cave system. To my knowledge, no one has
597
00:37:41.050 --> 00:37:45.110
actually dropped a camera down in there. No one has
598
00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:49.989
actually been able to look. Andrew has discovered that there's
599
00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:53.800
a cemetery that is closed off to foreigners. It's a
600
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.780
very clearly, it's a closed cemetery, Islamic and Muslim cemetery.
601
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.380
It's right by the three great pyramids. And it's next
602
00:38:04.539 --> 00:38:10.679
to this hill called Gobekli, I'm sorry, Gebeljibli, which is
603
00:38:10.969 --> 00:38:13.190
a high hill. You can overlook all three of the
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00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:16.409
pyramids from it. But right beneath it is where this
605
00:38:16.449 --> 00:38:20.190
complex is. And in it, in this complex, there is
606
00:38:20.429 --> 00:38:25.780
a gated fenced well. And it's a round well. At
607
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.880
the bottom of the well, they know there is a tunnel.
608
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And the tunnel heads down. straight to the Sphinx, which
609
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:38.500
is only a few hundred yards away. There is no history.
610
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:42.289
Nobody knows if anybody has ever been down there and
611
00:38:42.369 --> 00:38:44.369
tried to take that tunnel and look, but it's not
612
00:38:44.409 --> 00:38:48.190
the kind of thing that anybody but an Islamic archaeologist
613
00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:51.510
could do. Andrew and I have talked about it for years,
614
00:38:51.590 --> 00:38:54.090
and we've talked about trying to get somebody to use
615
00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:59.420
remote technology, get an underwater drone with a camera that
616
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:02.159
can follow this thing. but to our knowledge, it hasn't
617
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.260
been done yet. And we got to find somebody who's
618
00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:04.940
willing to do it.
619
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:06.880
Wow, man.
620
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.550
That would be amazing if that could ever happen.
621
00:39:10.030 --> 00:39:10.360
Yeah.
622
00:39:10.469 --> 00:39:14.170
Now talk a little bit about what Casey says were
623
00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:15.369
in these halls of records.
624
00:39:15.929 --> 00:39:20.969
Well, some of it's real specific, 32 stone tablets. That's
625
00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:25.030
pretty specific. And the reason they wrote on stone is obvious.
626
00:39:25.489 --> 00:39:30.280
It's not going to degrade like paper. You know, we
627
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.980
put things on. I got them all over the place.
628
00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.599
Can't even find one. We put things on CDs. Not
629
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:41.840
so much anymore. DVDs. Not so much anymore. We put
630
00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:46.750
them on thumb drives. We have external hard drives. You know,
631
00:39:46.789 --> 00:39:50.480
I got my external hard drives. The problem with all this,
632
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.280
every one of these is going to degrade. I don't
633
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.920
know if you've got VHS tapes.
634
00:39:58.659 --> 00:40:00.199
I used to. Yeah.
635
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.820
And you try to put them in. They seem to
636
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.480
degrade over time after VHS tapes get 30 to 40
637
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.260
years old. They don't seem to work as well. They
638
00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:12.679
jam up and all that. And the same thing, I
639
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.559
find that my DVDs don't work as well. They seem
640
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.659
to skip more and They're degrading every little scratch, everything. So,
641
00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:24.599
and books, I have a lot of books from the 1800s,
642
00:40:24.650 --> 00:40:29.090
very expensive books. I have some from the 1600s. And
643
00:40:29.130 --> 00:40:31.909
while they're still usable, they're only a few hundred years old.
644
00:40:31.929 --> 00:40:34.409
It's not like they're 10,000 years old. And those books
645
00:40:34.469 --> 00:40:37.090
are all going to be a pile of dust that
646
00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:40.079
is scattered all over by the time 10,000 years are gone.
647
00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:42.539
None of those books will remain. They're going to be gone.
648
00:40:42.820 --> 00:40:46.599
They can't last. So stones. Stone tablets, he says that
649
00:40:46.659 --> 00:40:51.480
all 32 tablets are covered with a type of hieroglyphic
650
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:56.300
that is pre-Egyptian, that it'll take several people a long
651
00:40:56.380 --> 00:41:00.030
time to actually decipher. But he said they're written, you know,
652
00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:03.570
you've got a block of stone and it actually has
653
00:41:04.929 --> 00:41:08.250
eight sides. Was that right? No, six sides. What's wrong
654
00:41:08.269 --> 00:41:11.070
with me? So you have the four edges and then
655
00:41:11.110 --> 00:41:14.469
you have the two sides. And so they're all covered
656
00:41:14.530 --> 00:41:19.269
with hieroglyphics. All six sides are covered. So you have
657
00:41:19.329 --> 00:41:24.699
those stone tablets. He said there are weapons. Spears are
658
00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:27.820
an example. But they have examples of all their weapons.
659
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:28.980
Clothing.
660
00:41:29.139 --> 00:41:32.820
They have examples of all their clothing. They have examples
661
00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:38.969
of other technology, such as the technology involved in the
662
00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:44.630
fire stones. The Firestone became a weapon, a beamed weapon
663
00:41:44.750 --> 00:41:49.320
that sounds, in the readings, it sounds exactly like a
664
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:56.559
laser or a maser, M-A-S-E-R. A maser was the predecessor
665
00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.380
of a laser, but it sounds exactly like that technology.
666
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:03.639
But he says it's, he said that it's there, it's
667
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.409
contained in the Three Hall of Records. So that's what
668
00:42:07.449 --> 00:42:10.429
it is. It's like their whole culture, everything that was
669
00:42:10.489 --> 00:42:14.570
in their culture is contained in those three record halls.
670
00:42:16.650 --> 00:42:22.150
Wow, that is fascinating. Now, what about when it comes
671
00:42:22.230 --> 00:42:29.909
to any other profound, I guess, channelings or downloads that
672
00:42:29.989 --> 00:42:33.780
Casey got? What are some that really stick out for
673
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.820
you besides Atlantis?
674
00:42:36.699 --> 00:42:40.289
Well, you know, I can't, I really can't prove a
675
00:42:40.329 --> 00:42:43.309
great deal of the Atlanta stuff. I'll talk about some
676
00:42:43.349 --> 00:42:45.949
of the historical stuff. Casey said people were in the
677
00:42:46.030 --> 00:42:50.250
Americas a long, long time ago. He said that there
678
00:42:50.309 --> 00:42:56.820
are specific readings that say that people came into the
679
00:42:56.900 --> 00:43:02.099
Americas in 50,000 BC. Lots of them did. And of
680
00:43:02.139 --> 00:43:06.449
course that he said that in the 1930s. that 50,000
681
00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:08.920
BC large groups of people came in. And he said
682
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.139
they came in from the South Pacific and they went to,
683
00:43:12.380 --> 00:43:17.059
a lot of them went to South America. It's only
684
00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:20.320
been in the past five years that it's been confirmed
685
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.719
that large groups of people came in to South America
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00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:30.460
from the South Pacific in 50,000 BC. Now how Cayce
687
00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:33.039
came up with that and how he knew that is
688
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.150
absolutely beyond me Because when Cayce did these readings, they
689
00:43:37.190 --> 00:43:43.610
hadn't even accepted that people were here in 9000 BC,
690
00:43:44.369 --> 00:43:50.429
much less 50000 BC. Until Clovis was discovered, it was
691
00:43:50.489 --> 00:43:53.170
believed that people were only in the Americas for maybe
692
00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:57.170
four to 6000 years, that they were all relative newcomers.
693
00:43:57.289 --> 00:44:01.860
So Cayce's readings were insane at the time that he
694
00:44:01.900 --> 00:44:04.960
gave them. So that is one, the 50,000 B.C. Cayce
695
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.539
also said that people entered the Americas in 28,000 B.C.,
696
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.360
coming from, again, the South Pacific. Some came from the East.
697
00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:19.650
And he said that some actually came into Alaska and
698
00:44:19.710 --> 00:44:23.230
down in 28,000 B.C. And then Cayce said huge groups
699
00:44:23.289 --> 00:44:28.070
came over in 10,000 B.C. The Atlanteans came up to
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00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:30.809
North America. They went into Central America and South America.
701
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.300
But he said in 10,000 BC, floodgates opened up and
702
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.949
a whole bunch of people came over from Russia, Siberian Russia,
703
00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:42.269
which is exactly what the whole Clovis theory was. But
704
00:44:42.309 --> 00:44:47.460
he said that even before Clovis theory took over. And
705
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.900
that's the date that the Clovis people say. They say
706
00:44:50.019 --> 00:44:53.719
hordes of nomads came over around 10,000, 11,000 BC. That's Clovis.
707
00:44:53.739 --> 00:45:01.199
So Cayce said that. Cayce very clearly said, There are
708
00:45:01.300 --> 00:45:07.840
two readings where he very clearly said that the stock
709
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.260
market was going to crash in 1929. I'm not making
710
00:45:13.300 --> 00:45:16.760
that up. I'm not reading anything into it. There are
711
00:45:16.889 --> 00:45:20.610
two very clear readings that Casey gave saying the stock
712
00:45:20.690 --> 00:45:23.949
market in 1929 is going to crash because up to
713
00:45:23.969 --> 00:45:27.269
then people were making boo-coos of money. Just throw money
714
00:45:27.329 --> 00:45:29.829
into the stock market and it doubled in a couple months.
715
00:45:30.210 --> 00:45:34.679
And it kept doubling and doubling. And he told two investors,
716
00:45:34.989 --> 00:45:38.659
get out now. So that is a good example. I mean,
717
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.619
that's pretty impressive. Probably the weirdest thing. I love this story.
718
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:48.099
And it's not a safe story. It's a true story.
719
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.300
It's in the Casey readings. The weirdest one I know
720
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.909
of is the story of oil of smoke. I've been
721
00:45:54.949 --> 00:45:58.269
trying to find a bottle of oil of smoke for years.
722
00:45:58.900 --> 00:46:06.139
Oil of smoke. Sounds bizarre. Anyway, a person wrote to
723
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.239
Casey for health reading, which Casey's best known for giving
724
00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:17.769
health readings. Casey gave roughly 20-some thousand psychic readings, almost 15,000
725
00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:22.289
of them. Every word was written down. So out of
726
00:46:22.409 --> 00:46:25.400
all of his readings, two-thirds of them were for health.
727
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.079
Somebody had an ailment. They wrote Casey and said, I've
728
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:31.159
got an issue. Can you help me with it? Casey
729
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.059
would go into his trance. He'd do a psychic diagnosis
730
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.260
on the person. And then he'd recommend a remedy that
731
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.719
allowed researchers, physicians to find out from the patient was
732
00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:46.119
the diagnosis correct and what happened when you took the remedy.
733
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:50.309
And so they came up with the final idea that
734
00:46:50.369 --> 00:46:55.289
Casey's health readings were 84 to 88% accurate. That's been
735
00:46:55.389 --> 00:47:00.420
published in medical journals, several articles, medical journals, the Journal
736
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.960
of the American Medical Association called Casey the father of
737
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:09.460
holistic medicine. And so all of that is very cool.
738
00:47:09.860 --> 00:47:14.670
But in one of his health readings, he recommended that
739
00:47:14.710 --> 00:47:20.909
the person take oil of smoke. And so they actually
740
00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:25.389
telegraphed that back to the person. Well, the person's physician
741
00:47:25.429 --> 00:47:28.250
had sent off for the reading. So the physician sent
742
00:47:28.289 --> 00:47:33.289
a telegraph back to the Casey organization or the London organization.
743
00:47:33.329 --> 00:47:36.710
Then it was his doctor and said, what the heck
744
00:47:36.769 --> 00:47:39.760
is oil of smoke? I've never heard of it. And
745
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.440
so they did another reading. And Casey said, contact this
746
00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:50.460
pharmacist in Kentucky and tell him to look on his
747
00:47:50.539 --> 00:47:54.010
shelves and that oil of smoke is on his shelf.
748
00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:59.150
So they sent that telegraph back. A day later, a
749
00:47:59.210 --> 00:48:03.269
telegraph came back and said, the pharmacist says, there is
750
00:48:03.309 --> 00:48:05.289
no oil of smoke here. He's never heard of it.
751
00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:09.389
So they said, tell, they sent another, they did another
752
00:48:09.429 --> 00:48:14.480
reading with Casey. Casey said, tell him, this is very specific.
753
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:19.059
Get on a step, reach up, move stuff out of
754
00:48:19.099 --> 00:48:22.960
the way, reach to the very back, there you'll find it.
755
00:48:24.929 --> 00:48:30.480
They did and sent that telegram off. Telegram came back. Okay.
756
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:36.219
This pharmacist only recently bought the pharmacy. He only recently
757
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.500
bought it. Uh, he bought it lock, stock and barrel,
758
00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:42.269
which is the way you did it then. And he
759
00:48:42.289 --> 00:48:44.269
did what you said. And there it was oil of
760
00:48:44.329 --> 00:48:47.630
smoke was back there. Uh, and they used it. The
761
00:48:47.690 --> 00:48:52.250
remedy worked for the person. Uh, How did Casey know
762
00:48:52.269 --> 00:48:58.710
it was there? All documented. Every bit of that is accurate.
763
00:48:58.730 --> 00:49:01.090
Of course, skeptics say, I don't believe it. You know,
764
00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:03.469
it's all made up, but it's not made up. And
765
00:49:03.489 --> 00:49:06.210
there are lots of very bizarre stories like that. I'll
766
00:49:06.230 --> 00:49:08.840
give you another one that's weird. Casey had this ability.
767
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.780
The real proponents of Casey will tell you he could
768
00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:16.300
sleep on a book and he'd memorize it. I did
769
00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:18.659
it memory, but it's beyond I did it memory. I
770
00:49:18.699 --> 00:49:24.019
did it memory. is looking at something, you know, looking
771
00:49:24.179 --> 00:49:26.980
at it and then having a photographic memory of it.
772
00:49:26.980 --> 00:49:28.760
So I can shut my eyes and I can see
773
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:29.500
everything on it.
774
00:49:30.940 --> 00:49:31.139
But.
775
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:37.550
But sleeping on something and absorbing it through sleep is
776
00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:40.869
absolutely unheard of. There's nothing in the scientific literature or
777
00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:44.769
psychological literature on anything like this. I've always been skeptical
778
00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:48.110
of that. But in reading all this and then reading
779
00:49:48.170 --> 00:49:51.699
a relatively new account and then looking it up about Casey,
780
00:49:51.739 --> 00:49:56.139
that a really great researcher, New York Times bestselling author
781
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.619
named Sidney Kirkpatrick, who you ought to get on. Sidney
782
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:03.329
is amazing. Sidney pulled these articles and pulled all this
783
00:50:03.429 --> 00:50:08.829
out of the Casey files. Back when Casey was 12
784
00:50:08.829 --> 00:50:13.889
years old, Grover Cleveland was president of the United States.
785
00:50:14.070 --> 00:50:18.230
He'd just been elected. And Casey lived in Hopkinsville, Kentucky.
786
00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:22.300
And his father was very proud of Casey's ability to
787
00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:25.460
pretty much look at any book or sleep on it
788
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.019
or read or hear anything and memorize it word for
789
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:33.329
word instantly. And he was bragging to the congressman who
790
00:50:33.409 --> 00:50:38.710
represented that area of Kentucky. And when he was bragging
791
00:50:38.750 --> 00:50:43.599
to this congressman, he told him his son could pretty
792
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:48.929
much memorize anything without even reading it himself, just hearing it,
793
00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:52.780
seeing it, whatever. And the congressman had just been appointed
794
00:50:53.449 --> 00:50:57.349
ambassador to Peru. And that's why he came to Hopkinsville
795
00:50:57.369 --> 00:50:59.190
to see his friends. And so they made a bet.
796
00:50:59.539 --> 00:51:01.599
They made a $ 10 bet, which was then a lot
797
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.739
of money. And this speech, the speech the congressman had
798
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.860
given to Congress was 150 pages long. And he had
799
00:51:10.900 --> 00:51:15.519
it with him, handwritten speech, 150 pages long. And so
800
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.070
he bet Edgar's dad that Edgar could not listen to
801
00:51:19.110 --> 00:51:23.030
this speech and then give it a day later word
802
00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:26.469
for word without missing a single word. So what they
803
00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:31.750
did was this. Edgar's father read the speech to Edgar
804
00:51:31.809 --> 00:51:35.429
before he went to bed that night. The congressman was there.
805
00:51:35.630 --> 00:51:38.949
He read all 150 pages to him. Congressman took the
806
00:51:38.989 --> 00:51:43.210
speech back. The next morning, the congressman, Edgar's dad, all
807
00:51:43.210 --> 00:51:45.849
50 students in the school, he was in a small school,
808
00:51:46.690 --> 00:51:51.280
all the teachers and reporters, including reporters from the Kentucky
809
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.599
New Era were all there. Of course, the congressman was
810
00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:55.579
a big deal because he's no longer a congressman. He's
811
00:51:55.619 --> 00:51:59.159
now the the ambassador to Peru making his final rounds.
812
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:04.159
And Edgar stood up on a podium and gave the speech,
813
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:12.860
word for word, did not miss one word. Now that's incredible.
814
00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:16.820
Now I've often thought that what Edgar had was an
815
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:21.780
eidetic memory. Eidetic memory is also known as photographic memory.
816
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.000
And a lot of people think that it's common. It's
817
00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:27.679
incredibly rare. Most of us can look at something and
818
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.760
visualize it, but not like that. Not where you'll leaf
819
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.980
through page after page of a page and just glance
820
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.420
at it. And then you can call up each page
821
00:52:36.460 --> 00:52:38.119
in your mind and you can look down and you
822
00:52:38.139 --> 00:52:40.909
can see each word. Because Edgar was at the point
823
00:52:40.969 --> 00:52:43.929
with this where he would tell his father, and it
824
00:52:43.949 --> 00:52:45.989
started with a spelling book. He would tell his father,
825
00:52:46.110 --> 00:52:48.809
open up the page, whatever. And he'd say, here's the
826
00:52:48.849 --> 00:52:52.550
words right down that line. Spell them perfectly, line for line.
827
00:52:52.889 --> 00:52:55.210
put it to any page randomly. His dad would say
828
00:52:55.250 --> 00:52:58.590
page 96 and he'd say, what's the third word down?
829
00:52:58.630 --> 00:53:00.590
And Edgar would tell him without even looking at it,
830
00:53:00.610 --> 00:53:03.409
he'd know what it is. So he had the ability,
831
00:53:03.530 --> 00:53:05.250
I believe what he did before he went to sleep
832
00:53:05.630 --> 00:53:07.670
is he leafed through a book pretty quickly and then
833
00:53:07.730 --> 00:53:11.070
absorbed it. If you know anything about memory consolidation and
834
00:53:11.090 --> 00:53:14.590
the psychology research in that, the best way to study,
835
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.019
the best way to do any kind of memorization is
836
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:19.900
to do it before you go to bed, do it
837
00:53:19.940 --> 00:53:21.699
before you go to sleep or take a nap after it.
838
00:53:22.309 --> 00:53:24.849
really concentrate and take a nap or go to bed.
839
00:53:25.130 --> 00:53:27.929
That's the way to really learn things. But anyway, that,
840
00:53:28.050 --> 00:53:32.960
that's a fantastic story. Absolutely true. Skeptics don't like any
841
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:34.860
of that. And of course they discount a lot that
842
00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:37.539
Casey said in case he was, was wrong about some things,
843
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.159
not a lot, but he was clearly wrong about some things.
844
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:45.059
Now, Casey also made some predictions that may not have
845
00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:47.599
come to fruition yet or.
846
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.940
Yeah. One of them is that, yeah. One of them
847
00:53:51.019 --> 00:53:54.480
is that, uh, China is going to become a Christian country.
848
00:53:55.619 --> 00:53:59.699
He predicted that China would become really the main Christian
849
00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:02.019
country in the world at some point. And he was asked,
850
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:04.219
when will that happen? He said, oh, that's way off
851
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:07.989
in the future. And when he would, he would sometimes
852
00:54:08.090 --> 00:54:11.789
predict things that are 50, 60 years away. But for
853
00:54:11.849 --> 00:54:14.769
that particular thing, he said, this is way, way off.
854
00:54:15.610 --> 00:54:19.519
He did say that there were earth changes coming. A
855
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.579
lot of people have said that was a failed prediction
856
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.739
because he said it was going to be in 1998,
857
00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:28.900
97 when it started and happened that a portion of
858
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.539
Japan would fall into the sea and that all these
859
00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:34.739
things in California and all that. And what he said
860
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:37.440
is that the future, he was asked a lot of
861
00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:40.119
things about the future. And here's what he said, that
862
00:54:40.179 --> 00:54:43.860
the future really can't be predicted. That what you can
863
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:48.260
do is based on the current situation, you can predict
864
00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:53.929
what will happen if nothing changes. If the situation doesn't change,
865
00:54:53.969 --> 00:54:56.690
you can predict what's going to happen. But he said,
866
00:54:56.769 --> 00:55:00.730
things are going to change. And he said, so you've
867
00:55:00.809 --> 00:55:05.949
got to really understand the future is not set. But
868
00:55:06.510 --> 00:55:10.090
here's what will happen if things don't change. Some of
869
00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:13.619
the things that he said about like Japan, some people
870
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.800
have thought that the Yukishima uh eruption uh and the
871
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.780
tsunami that hit japan uh is related to the casey
872
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.340
reading on a portion of japan i don't know about
873
00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:30.469
that i don't uh california has had issues i don't
874
00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:34.210
know about that yeah that's probably a reading that hasn't
875
00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:35.969
come to pass yet but he said it would take
876
00:55:36.010 --> 00:55:38.329
a long time for all that to come to pass
877
00:55:38.730 --> 00:55:44.920
he also said that the gulf of mexico i live
878
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:51.659
in memphis tennessee and we're on the Mississippi River. And basically,
879
00:55:51.849 --> 00:55:55.829
according to Casey, we're going to be Gulf of Mexico
880
00:55:56.130 --> 00:55:59.110
frontage property. The Gulf of Mexico is going to go
881
00:55:59.150 --> 00:56:00.670
all the way up there. But if you look at
882
00:56:00.710 --> 00:56:07.449
the maps that the climate scientists have put out, and
883
00:56:07.510 --> 00:56:09.849
if you look at what will happen if all of
884
00:56:09.949 --> 00:56:14.570
the ice melts, if all the ice melts, You will
885
00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:16.969
see a map showing the Gulf of Mexico goes all
886
00:56:16.989 --> 00:56:18.989
the way up, almost all the way to the Great Lakes.
887
00:56:20.090 --> 00:56:21.829
And as it goes up, it forms a V. As
888
00:56:21.889 --> 00:56:24.570
it goes further up, it gets closer and closer in because,
889
00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:26.989
of course, the land is higher and higher there. But
890
00:56:27.469 --> 00:56:32.110
we're looking at ocean rises, you know, 250, 300 feet
891
00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:37.039
or so. If all of it melted, I don't think
892
00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:39.940
all of it's going to melt. But that would be
893
00:56:39.980 --> 00:56:42.820
a long time from now, too. Not in our lifetime,
894
00:56:42.860 --> 00:56:45.030
not in the lifetime of your children or your grandchildren
895
00:56:45.090 --> 00:56:46.809
or their grandchildren. It would be a long time before
896
00:56:46.829 --> 00:56:49.230
that happens. So those are a few examples.
897
00:56:49.710 --> 00:56:52.570
That's really fascinating. Now, for the last few minutes that
898
00:56:52.590 --> 00:56:54.730
you have, I want to get back to some aspects
899
00:56:54.789 --> 00:56:57.739
of our hidden history that you've talked about in some
900
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:04.420
of your books before, but about the possibility that we
901
00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:07.590
as a human species could have been A lot more
902
00:57:07.690 --> 00:57:11.090
varied and different in the ancient past. They have evidence
903
00:57:11.389 --> 00:57:15.059
of giants. They have evidence of individuals with elongated skulls,
904
00:57:15.579 --> 00:57:21.440
little people, a whole spectrum of different types of what
905
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.019
appears to be humanoid creatures, right?
906
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:31.280
Yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll stick to Casey for a minute.
907
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.059
Casey did say there were giants. Casey said there were
908
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:40.130
little people. I can't recall what he called them. These
909
00:57:40.150 --> 00:57:43.449
were hobbits who didn't exist then. But I can't recall
910
00:57:43.469 --> 00:57:48.659
what he called them. He didn't call them midgets. But anyway,
911
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:53.099
there were small people. And dwarfs maybe is the term
912
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:59.659
that he used. He also talked about in the time
913
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:05.150
of Atlantis. The history that Cayce gave of Atlantis is very,
914
00:58:05.190 --> 00:58:08.690
very complicated. Lots of details. You know, I broke it
915
00:58:08.750 --> 00:58:10.889
into the children of law of one on one side
916
00:58:10.929 --> 00:58:13.389
and the sons of Belial or Belial on the other. Well,
917
00:58:13.409 --> 00:58:15.989
the sons of Belial or Belial were into power and control.
918
00:58:16.050 --> 00:58:18.699
So one of the things they did was create genetic
919
00:58:18.739 --> 00:58:23.639
hybrids of what they called things and automatons. They created
920
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:30.539
worker bees, like humans, part animal, part human, that were
921
00:58:30.579 --> 00:58:36.820
designed to serve humans in very specific roles. And again,
922
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:41.860
he called them things, soulless entities that were alive, but
923
00:58:41.929 --> 00:58:52.630
were things. He did mention evolution. His statement about when
924
00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:57.989
we emerged, Cayce's statement about when we, thoroughly modern humans,
925
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:02.090
homo sapiens, sapiens developed, He said it was around 200,000 BC,
926
00:59:02.190 --> 00:59:06.320
I think 204,000 BC is the exact date that he gave,
927
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:11.760
and that it was in the mainland of Atlantis. and
928
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.699
it was kind of sudden and there was a male
929
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.340
a man and a woman who developed which he had
930
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:22.440
uh emilius was the name of the the guy who
931
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.360
later became known as eve in uh christian tradition um
932
00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:31.789
and lilith was the female And that is where we
933
00:59:31.909 --> 00:59:37.119
started from. The other humans, the other branches of humanity
934
00:59:37.179 --> 00:59:42.940
were around then. And we apparently, our offspring, interbred with
935
00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:50.219
them some. So the giants came from, according to Cayce,
936
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:58.989
it's almost biblical. The giants came from angels interbreeding with humans.
937
01:00:00.659 --> 01:00:08.710
unevolved pre-humans, proto-humans, an unevolved race. And I don't know
938
01:00:08.750 --> 01:00:11.349
about that. I don't remember him saying anything about the
939
01:00:11.389 --> 01:00:13.949
little people where they evolved from, but I would assume
940
01:00:13.989 --> 01:00:18.090
the same thing, that they were an evolution from that. Now,
941
01:00:18.210 --> 01:00:22.809
in terms of reality, archaeological reality, we know for certain
942
01:00:22.849 --> 01:00:27.570
there were really small people. There were hobbits, hobbit-like beings.
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01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.079
The thing about giants, the only thing we know for sure,
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01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.280
there were a lot of people in the ancient world
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01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.519
who were between seven and eight feet tall. And those
946
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.860
people were revered. Those people became the elite of the society.
947
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:45.900
In fact, an archaeologist who's a skeptic, who's a well-known
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01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:48.519
skeptic and debunker, who's also a friend of mine named
949
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:53.179
Andy White, Andrew White, PhD archaeologist. He has labeled that
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01:00:53.280 --> 01:01:00.130
the Adena elite hypothesis Because the Adena culture, which was
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01:01:00.230 --> 01:01:04.230
a culture of mound builders in America or United States,
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01:01:05.230 --> 01:01:10.130
roughly from maybe 3000 BC to about the year 1000
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01:01:10.130 --> 01:01:15.139
or so, they built giant mounds. And they put huge
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01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:17.820
tombs in the base of the mounds. The tombs were
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01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:21.980
stone and wooden, looked just like British burial mounds, actually,
956
01:01:22.059 --> 01:01:27.760
from that time, their barrows. And they're stone tombs, stone chambers.
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01:01:28.590 --> 01:01:31.920
That's what's in American mounds. Big stone chambers look just
958
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.260
like those in England. But you find these seven to
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01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:38.980
eight footers in there and they're the Adena culture. So
960
01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:43.969
what Andrew White has said is that the Adena, for
961
01:01:44.010 --> 01:01:48.610
whatever reason, revered these tall people and they became the
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01:01:48.769 --> 01:01:52.909
elite because for whatever reason, you know, they're stronger people.
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01:01:53.829 --> 01:01:57.909
They are probably better warriors. We know when the first
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01:01:58.030 --> 01:02:04.070
Europeans got into extreme South America, Patagonia, trying to go
965
01:02:04.130 --> 01:02:07.539
around the Straits of Magellan at the very bottom of
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01:02:07.619 --> 01:02:12.019
South America, they spent months in Patagonia down there. And
967
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:16.559
they discovered lots and lots of what they called giants.
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01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.820
And they said they were up to 10 feet tall.
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01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:22.409
They were called the Ona and the Tluchi. And they
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01:02:22.469 --> 01:02:25.050
made efforts to exterminate him. And one of the people
971
01:02:25.090 --> 01:02:28.130
who witnessed the extermination of the Ona and the Tluchi
972
01:02:28.409 --> 01:02:30.670
who wrote about it. And by the time he got
973
01:02:30.710 --> 01:02:35.860
there in the middle 1800s, he only saw them killing
974
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:39.900
off the remaining seven to eight footers. And that was
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01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:48.900
the man who really invented evolution, Charles Darwin. Darwin wrote
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01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.110
about it. He saw these seven footers. So where they
977
01:02:52.150 --> 01:02:56.449
came from, mainstream archaeology tells us there were no giants
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01:02:56.510 --> 01:02:59.050
in the ancient world. They say that there were no
979
01:02:59.090 --> 01:03:02.300
more seven to eight footers than there are now. And
980
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:08.500
right now, about one of every 150,000 beings is truly
981
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:13.239
seven feet tall, one of every 150,000. Well, far too
982
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.760
many of these have been found in the Adena culture
983
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:20.869
for one out of every 150,000. They're all They all
984
01:03:20.909 --> 01:03:24.650
come from the same timeframe. And there are dozens and
985
01:03:24.789 --> 01:03:28.230
dozens of these that they found and recovered in these
986
01:03:28.349 --> 01:03:32.869
Adena-era mounds. And so we know that something else was
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01:03:32.909 --> 01:03:36.849
going on then, clearly. There's also a new book by
988
01:03:37.809 --> 01:03:43.389
two researchers into the giants, Jim Vieira, who's a very
989
01:03:43.449 --> 01:03:46.050
great guy. Jim's a good friend. And Hugh Newman's also
990
01:03:46.070 --> 01:03:49.219
a good friend. Hugh's in England. And it's on giants
991
01:03:49.820 --> 01:03:52.820
from Europe And they have found loads and loads of
992
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:56.679
these giant reports from Europe, which American archaeologists really have
993
01:03:56.739 --> 01:03:59.940
no expertise in and haven't talked about. But apparently there
994
01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:03.260
were a lot of seven, eight, nine, 10 foot people.
995
01:04:03.820 --> 01:04:05.800
I want to say this before we get off the topic.
996
01:04:05.949 --> 01:04:08.789
I can't tell you a single example of a genuine
997
01:04:08.789 --> 01:04:12.550
10 foot tall skeleton found in the Americas. There are
998
01:04:12.710 --> 01:04:15.050
lots of them that are seven to eight feet tall,
999
01:04:15.409 --> 01:04:18.269
but I can't find any verified accounts. There's lots of
1000
01:04:18.309 --> 01:04:21.780
newspaper accounts. But a newspaper account is not a verified account.
1001
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:28.039
It seems pretty sad that modern archaeology and even academia
1002
01:04:28.099 --> 01:04:31.940
and science, they don't seem like they're going to, even
1003
01:04:31.980 --> 01:04:36.449
anytime soon, start giving this any serious consideration, any of
1004
01:04:36.510 --> 01:04:38.090
the topics that we discussed.
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01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:43.349
No, they're not going to. I'm sympathetic to their cause.
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01:04:45.150 --> 01:04:51.039
If archaeology paid anything, I might be an archaeologist. The
1007
01:04:51.099 --> 01:04:54.280
biggest problem with archaeology now is there's no funding for
1008
01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:57.099
them to do anything. So they're stuck in just talking
1009
01:04:57.179 --> 01:05:02.000
about a theory and an ideology. They teach, and the
1010
01:05:02.059 --> 01:05:05.610
only archaeology work that's really going on in the United
1011
01:05:05.659 --> 01:05:10.010
States is public archaeology, which would be when a road
1012
01:05:10.070 --> 01:05:12.130
is being built, they have to do a survey to
1013
01:05:12.170 --> 01:05:16.730
make sure they're not destroying anything of archaeological significance. When
1014
01:05:16.750 --> 01:05:19.260
you build a building, a public building or something, you'll
1015
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.059
come in. If you find artifacts out there like skeletal
1016
01:05:23.099 --> 01:05:27.219
remains and you notify the police, they'll probably bring an
1017
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:31.940
archaeologist in and they'll start digging a bit. But there's
1018
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:34.860
just no funding. They can't dig into mounds now. They
1019
01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:38.860
just can't do that either because of laws passed in
1020
01:05:38.860 --> 01:05:44.210
1889 and 90. The NAGPRA Act, NAGPRA, Native American Grave
1021
01:05:44.269 --> 01:05:49.760
Protection and Repatriation Act, They can't dig into any burials.
1022
01:05:50.539 --> 01:05:54.400
So things have changed. So I'm sympathetic to them, but
1023
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.690
they can't really do much but just theorize about things.
1024
01:05:59.969 --> 01:06:03.929
So that's the problem. There are no big paying jobs.
1025
01:06:05.150 --> 01:06:09.530
States have to pay for public archaeologists because they have
1026
01:06:09.610 --> 01:06:12.800
to maintain cemeteries. I know a guy that's a skeptic.
1027
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:15.579
who loves to talk about all this, but he doesn't
1028
01:06:15.619 --> 01:06:19.380
do any work in this field whatsoever. He maintains cemeteries
1029
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.820
for the US Forestry Service. Yet he writes about this
1030
01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:25.059
and says, oh, there were no giants in here. We
1031
01:06:25.139 --> 01:06:29.619
archeologists know all this, but that's all nonsense. He maintains
1032
01:06:31.219 --> 01:06:36.340
cemeteries in areas that the Tennessee Valley Authority has flooded.
1033
01:06:37.179 --> 01:06:42.360
So they have cemeteries there. Good guy. He's a good guy,
1034
01:06:42.820 --> 01:06:45.199
and that's his job in archaeology. But that doesn't make
1035
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.590
him an expert in giants in America, yet he'll talk
1036
01:06:47.619 --> 01:06:49.889
about it. And I don't pretend to be an expert either,
1037
01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:52.829
except I'm sure I've read more archaeological books on it
1038
01:06:52.849 --> 01:06:55.150
than he has, and done more research on it than
1039
01:06:55.210 --> 01:06:57.210
he has, and published more about it than he has.
1040
01:06:57.829 --> 01:06:59.230
Right.
1041
01:06:59.269 --> 01:07:02.840
Yeah, I have hopes, but I don't think that we
1042
01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:06.940
will see anything like that. I'm glad that independent researchers
1043
01:07:07.019 --> 01:07:10.250
like yourself are coming out with this information. and give
1044
01:07:10.289 --> 01:07:12.659
us opportunities to take a look at this stuff. And
1045
01:07:12.739 --> 01:07:16.280
it was fantastic conversation today. And you're coming out with
1046
01:07:16.579 --> 01:07:19.880
another very interesting looking book in March that I'd love
1047
01:07:19.900 --> 01:07:21.559
to have you back on to discuss.
1048
01:07:22.699 --> 01:07:28.039
Yeah, Origins of the Gods. Eric Van Doniken wrote the
1049
01:07:28.340 --> 01:07:32.760
introduction to it, which is unusual because the book, while
1050
01:07:32.949 --> 01:07:39.090
it admits that ancient aliens may have come here, It
1051
01:07:39.130 --> 01:07:42.130
does not say that ancient aliens really did much maybe
1052
01:07:42.190 --> 01:07:45.769
than just monitor us. It's pretty clear. And we actually
1053
01:07:45.789 --> 01:07:51.139
totally supported Carl Sagan that Carl Sagan was a supporter
1054
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.440
of ancient aliens, believe it or not. And the proof
1055
01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:58.429
is in there. Carl Sagan believed they came here 10,000 times.
1056
01:07:58.789 --> 01:08:02.769
Let me say that again. 10,000 times. How do we
1057
01:08:02.789 --> 01:08:04.949
know that? He wrote it in a journal article, a
1058
01:08:05.030 --> 01:08:12.300
professional peer-reviewed journal article in 1963. So anyway, yeah, we
1059
01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:16.260
wrote this book. It is a very, very unusual book.
1060
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:20.140
Casey's mentioned in it. There's maybe just two pages of Casey.
1061
01:08:21.659 --> 01:08:24.420
I don't think giants are mentioned in it one time.
1062
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:29.119
There is a lot of archaeology. And in that, basically,
1063
01:08:29.180 --> 01:08:34.529
we are revealing what Native Americans were deepest spiritual beliefs are,
1064
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.699
where they came from, what Native Americans really mean when
1065
01:08:39.739 --> 01:08:44.619
they say that our ancestors came from the stars. That
1066
01:08:44.689 --> 01:08:48.590
is in there. The fundamental idea of where we came
1067
01:08:48.649 --> 01:08:50.710
from and what life is all about is in there
1068
01:08:50.770 --> 01:08:57.489
from the ancient Native American perspective. And what the paranormal
1069
01:08:57.550 --> 01:09:00.899
is all about. And truthfully, the book's really about UFOs.
1070
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:10.939
It's explaining what UFOs, paranormal events are, abductions, interactions with
1071
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:19.829
what appear to be aliens, glowing beings, light beings, the contactees,
1072
01:09:19.989 --> 01:09:24.750
all that is in there and it's got our explanation. Uh, and, um,
1073
01:09:26.250 --> 01:09:28.710
Vondonican has changed his mind a bit. I want to
1074
01:09:28.770 --> 01:09:32.420
say that he, uh, and you'll see that in his introduction,
1075
01:09:32.460 --> 01:09:34.899
I think is no, his introduction is not online. I
1076
01:09:34.939 --> 01:09:36.680
think the only thing that's online is one of my
1077
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:41.079
chapters called what came from the stars and it's about
1078
01:09:41.180 --> 01:09:46.180
what native Americans said. Uh, so yeah, that book is
1079
01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:50.750
going to change things. It is, decidedly different and new.
1080
01:09:50.770 --> 01:09:54.329
A lot of Carl Jung is in it and it's
1081
01:09:54.369 --> 01:09:56.449
kind of me and Andrew going back to our roots.
1082
01:09:56.529 --> 01:10:00.609
My first book in 1984 was about UFOs and Andrew's
1083
01:10:00.670 --> 01:10:05.100
first book, which came out also in 1984 was about UFOs.
1084
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:07.079
So we're going back to our roots.
1085
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:10.579
I love it, man. Looking so forward to that. Like
1086
01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:12.159
I said, we'll have to have you back on after
1087
01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:14.729
that book comes out and thank you so much. This
1088
01:10:14.770 --> 01:10:16.109
was a fantastic conversation.
1089
01:10:16.659 --> 01:10:18.460
Thank you. It's been a pleasure. We'll do it again.
1090
01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:21.000
Today I want to welcome back to the show Nathaniel Gillis.
1091
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:24.909
He is a religious demonologist and author. After living in
1092
01:10:24.930 --> 01:10:28.210
a haunted house, he spent 20 years researching what it
1093
01:10:28.270 --> 01:10:31.829
was he encountered. He has sought to redefine the nature
1094
01:10:31.869 --> 01:10:36.680
of the haunting phenomena, ghosts, and high strangeness. He's often
1095
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.840
quoted for his concept of the demonic. The reason they
1096
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.039
are playing by different rules is because they are playing
1097
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.869
a different game. Nathaniel, welcome back. How you doing?
1098
01:10:47.989 --> 01:10:49.710
Thank you for having me back, man. It's good to
1099
01:10:49.770 --> 01:10:55.250
be back. And on post-COVID, I lost about 25 pounds.
1100
01:10:56.109 --> 01:10:58.479
And believe it or not, I know the camera adds
1101
01:10:58.539 --> 01:11:02.119
about 20 more. But it's good to be back. And
1102
01:11:02.140 --> 01:11:04.920
I want to say something for everybody that's going to
1103
01:11:04.939 --> 01:11:07.659
watch this. You know, when I got COVID, I had
1104
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:10.439
to reschedule with Chris like two or three times. And
1105
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:14.270
I want to say as a host, He was gracious.
1106
01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:17.750
He was kind and understanding about it all. And, you know,
1107
01:11:17.770 --> 01:11:19.189
I was just too sick to do the show. But
1108
01:11:19.220 --> 01:11:22.720
I want to thank him personally for being understanding and
1109
01:11:22.779 --> 01:11:24.439
working with me to get me back on.
1110
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.199
Oh, yeah, of course, man. I mean, you have COVID.
1111
01:11:28.220 --> 01:11:28.840
You get sick.
1112
01:11:28.899 --> 01:11:31.359
There's nothing you can do about that. So, of course, man.
1113
01:11:31.449 --> 01:11:31.970
It was bad.
1114
01:11:32.329 --> 01:11:34.609
Yeah, yeah. From what I heard, it was bad. And
1115
01:11:34.630 --> 01:11:37.470
I appreciate you coming back on. But like you said,
1116
01:11:37.489 --> 01:11:39.310
you know, hell of a weight loss program, right?
1117
01:11:39.329 --> 01:11:43.779
Yeah. For sure, for sure. I mean, it was crazy.
1118
01:11:44.970 --> 01:11:47.829
I grew– I didn't grow out. I shrunk, and now
1119
01:11:47.850 --> 01:11:50.270
I have to buy some new clothes. So I think
1120
01:11:50.329 --> 01:11:53.109
out of everything, that was basically the only silver lining
1121
01:11:53.130 --> 01:11:56.920
from getting that dreaded thing. But I'm glad to be
1122
01:11:56.979 --> 01:11:58.560
back with you guys.
1123
01:11:58.619 --> 01:12:00.800
I'm glad you got over it, and I know you
1124
01:12:00.819 --> 01:12:04.000
still have a few residual effects. But for the most part,
1125
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:06.220
I'm glad you survived, and you're back here on the show.
1126
01:12:06.260 --> 01:12:09.319
So I've been looking forward to this. Tonight, I want
1127
01:12:09.340 --> 01:12:11.960
to go even deeper with our discussion that we started
1128
01:12:12.020 --> 01:12:17.189
last time you were on about– The possibilities of, you know,
1129
01:12:17.260 --> 01:12:20.960
what are extraterrestrials? Are they demons? Are they angels? Are
1130
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.060
they something else? What are the connections to things like
1131
01:12:24.579 --> 01:12:28.159
implants and demonic possession? And I also want to get
1132
01:12:28.180 --> 01:12:32.899
your insights into the possible existence of entities that you
1133
01:12:32.939 --> 01:12:38.079
look into, like incubi spirits, soul hunters, and what you
1134
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.779
call molters, which I find very interesting.
1135
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:40.880
Yeah.
1136
01:12:41.380 --> 01:12:45.439
And I want to start with probably what are, for you,
1137
01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:48.859
some of the most obvious connections we should look at
1138
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:53.439
when it comes to deciphering what exactly these entities are
1139
01:12:53.939 --> 01:12:58.210
and those connections that really make you wonder if this
1140
01:12:58.310 --> 01:13:02.670
is a paranormal phenomenon or something like extraterrestrials.
1141
01:13:02.689 --> 01:13:07.729
I'm not really buying into the extraterrestrial hypothesis at this time.
1142
01:13:08.529 --> 01:13:12.909
I realize it's a popular motif amongst many ufologists, but
1143
01:13:12.949 --> 01:13:16.390
I think that a lot of the deep thinkers, and
1144
01:13:16.470 --> 01:13:21.239
I'm not including myself into this, but people like Jacques Vallée,
1145
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.340
John Keel, and a bunch of the greats, they too
1146
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.260
have pretty much shed the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Whatever we're dealing
1147
01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:34.069
with is interdimensional. I was talking to another researcher about
1148
01:13:34.130 --> 01:13:37.289
this It's a hypothesis, a theory, a hypothesis that I'm
1149
01:13:37.310 --> 01:13:41.210
working on myself dealing with portals. And this kind of
1150
01:13:41.470 --> 01:13:45.710
really explains why it is the extraterrestrial thing doesn't work
1151
01:13:45.750 --> 01:13:48.699
for me. When we're dealing with people that are being
1152
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:53.140
picked up in ships, one fascinating aspect about that phenomenon
1153
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:55.300
is you could be picked up in a ship, according
1154
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:59.350
to their abduction accounts, the ship itself looks like it's
1155
01:13:59.350 --> 01:14:02.680
10 feet in diameter. But once you get into it,
1156
01:14:02.729 --> 01:14:06.510
it's as large as an aircraft carrier. So it's not
1157
01:14:06.609 --> 01:14:11.770
just nuts and bolts, but there's dimensionality to it. And
1158
01:14:11.810 --> 01:14:13.689
it's as if that we're deep. And this is what
1159
01:14:13.710 --> 01:14:15.989
my theory is. I call it the finger in the water.
1160
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.699
When you're a goldfish and someone dips their finger in
1161
01:14:19.739 --> 01:14:23.899
the water, you're looking at a very small percentage of
1162
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:29.000
the finger itself. And so at that moment, you have ufologists, parapsychologists,
1163
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.270
and people like Nick West who are out there on Twitter.
1164
01:14:31.890 --> 01:14:36.979
hypothesizing the dimensionality of that small tip of the finger.
1165
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:39.960
But what we have to realize, guys, is that it's
1166
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.199
not just nuts and bolts. This is actually, according to
1167
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:47.920
my research, a portal to their dimension. So what happens
1168
01:14:48.020 --> 01:14:51.399
is once you get into that ship, you're out of
1169
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the water, and now you're in its own space-time continuum.
1170
01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:59.979
You're in its own physics continuum. And so when you
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01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.300
go from this dimension into their portal in that dimension,
1172
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:05.819
now they can do things to you in that dimension
1173
01:15:05.859 --> 01:15:09.060
they cannot do in this. And so that's why I
1174
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.079
believe when we're looking at the physicality of this phenomenon,
1175
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:14.479
I think it's important to realize we're not just dealing
1176
01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:18.390
with nuts and bolts. We're dealing with a dimension shift,
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01:15:19.100 --> 01:15:21.590
almost as if when you step into the very tip
1178
01:15:21.649 --> 01:15:24.550
of the finger, then you realize, oh my God, there's
1179
01:15:24.750 --> 01:15:28.899
more of the ship outside of this dimension. than what
1180
01:15:28.939 --> 01:15:32.750
we're seeing just underneath the surface of the water. So
1181
01:15:33.529 --> 01:15:34.630
I'm going to take that and I'm going to put
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01:15:34.649 --> 01:15:35.970
it to the side and I want to answer your
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01:15:35.989 --> 01:15:39.350
other question. The number one aspect of my work that
1184
01:15:39.470 --> 01:15:44.949
concerns the connection between UFO abduction and phenolophenol and givenology
1185
01:15:45.449 --> 01:15:50.899
is the fact that the incubi concept that permeated Europe
1186
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:56.770
and even modern times The incubi situation was not so
1187
01:15:56.810 --> 01:15:59.510
much of an entity as much as it was a
1188
01:15:59.630 --> 01:16:06.189
way that these entities would groom their victims into sexual acts. Now,
1189
01:16:06.250 --> 01:16:08.310
what do I mean by that? I think that as
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01:16:08.350 --> 01:16:10.710
a researcher, a good researcher needs to look at the
1191
01:16:10.789 --> 01:16:14.630
footprints of the snow and understand what they're leading us towards.
1192
01:16:15.329 --> 01:16:18.600
We can't be one dimensional in thinking. So what do
1193
01:16:18.659 --> 01:16:20.079
I mean by this? So to watch this. So when
1194
01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:23.430
we're dealing with the incubus cases or incubi cases, the
1195
01:16:23.569 --> 01:16:27.649
succubi cases, I believe that we're dealing with the same
1196
01:16:27.729 --> 01:16:33.060
entities that will manifest to their victims based upon their victimology.
1197
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.659
If they're looking for semen secretion, they will manifest to
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01:16:36.699 --> 01:16:41.899
the man as a woman primarily, and then vice versa.
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01:16:42.930 --> 01:16:45.770
In order to inseminate the woman with the seed they
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01:16:45.829 --> 01:16:50.390
just extracted, they will appear to the woman as a man, We,
1201
01:16:50.449 --> 01:16:54.300
and then inseminate them. So we would call that in demonology,
1202
01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:58.319
incubi and succubi. But I want to stress this. It's,
1203
01:16:58.340 --> 01:17:02.699
we're not just dealing with entities. That's one dimensional antiquated dogma.
1204
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.149
Forget entities. We're not dealing with any of these personalities
1205
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.270
and personas. That's the incubi situation is just a means
1206
01:17:11.329 --> 01:17:14.210
to an end for these entities. And when you get
1207
01:17:14.250 --> 01:17:18.909
into the UFO abduction accounts, we see the incubi cases everywhere, right?
1208
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:25.140
So that's not just something that's limited to the pages
1209
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:30.649
and literature of demonology. Again, it's a modus operandi. It's
1210
01:17:30.710 --> 01:17:34.750
a mask that these entities employ in order to get
1211
01:17:34.789 --> 01:17:38.189
what they want from us. So what do I– and
1212
01:17:38.250 --> 01:17:40.770
I'll finish my point here in a second. This has
1213
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:43.140
been my first show in months, man. That was great.
1214
01:17:43.180 --> 01:17:46.300
Go for it, man. All right. So we've got to
1215
01:17:46.340 --> 01:17:49.039
get rid of that thinking. In addition to that, we've
1216
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.199
got to abandon at all costs the idea of aliens
1217
01:17:52.270 --> 01:17:56.930
versus demons. Why? Because it's no different than our ancestors
1218
01:17:56.989 --> 01:18:01.329
when they demonized disincarnate consciousness. What are we doing now?
1219
01:18:01.409 --> 01:18:03.689
We just have a different word for it. It's alien
1220
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.119
to us. And so what happens is we have people
1221
01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:10.039
that I won't mention them, but people that are Twitter
1222
01:18:10.100 --> 01:18:15.800
trolls who like to fancy themselves thinkers. And they frown
1223
01:18:15.899 --> 01:18:20.159
upon the religious ancestry and say, well, they're not demons.
1224
01:18:20.220 --> 01:18:23.510
And then they start talking about Christopher Hitchens and kind
1225
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:28.930
of transposing ideas and basically saying that because religion, organized religion,
1226
01:18:28.970 --> 01:18:31.649
was a pretty messed up, jacked up, messed up thing,
1227
01:18:32.069 --> 01:18:36.229
that we have a right to discredit their personal testimonies
1228
01:18:36.289 --> 01:18:41.189
regarding these creatures. I think that's stupid. I think it's ignorant.
1229
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:44.460
And I think that it's a pervasive stitch in the
1230
01:18:44.500 --> 01:18:49.329
nostrils of intellectualism. We cannot think like that because we
1231
01:18:49.369 --> 01:18:53.039
have victims. who experienced real phenomena, just like we have
1232
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:57.140
them today. And they may have misinterpreted it. They may
1233
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:02.569
have given these entities different names. But if we're real researchers,
1234
01:19:02.609 --> 01:19:04.489
we need to strip it from the dogma, look at
1235
01:19:04.510 --> 01:19:08.649
the data and say, forget what they called these entities.
1236
01:19:09.579 --> 01:19:13.220
What did they experience? What are their testimonies regarding the phenomenon?
1237
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.229
And I think the sooner we do that and go
1238
01:19:16.250 --> 01:19:19.390
through the witch era literature, demonology of the middle ages
1239
01:19:19.489 --> 01:19:21.729
and read all of these different demonologists, the sooner we
1240
01:19:21.770 --> 01:19:25.590
do that, the more we'll realize that we're not alone
1241
01:19:25.630 --> 01:19:29.279
in this phenomenon. We've experienced this for thousands of years.
1242
01:19:29.859 --> 01:19:33.800
What's happened though, is that there are many people who
1243
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:37.979
for whatever reason, they want to limit the research to
1244
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.130
certain periods of history. And I think that is the
1245
01:19:41.430 --> 01:19:44.550
crux of the argument, aliens versus demons. I think that
1246
01:19:44.569 --> 01:19:46.529
we need to back up and punt and say, listen,
1247
01:19:46.550 --> 01:19:48.850
forget the titles that we'd like to crown them with.
1248
01:19:49.350 --> 01:19:52.449
Look at the phenomenon. What are they doing to us?
1249
01:19:53.609 --> 01:19:55.529
And so I think that's my position at this point.
1250
01:19:56.390 --> 01:19:58.130
Yeah, that's very interesting.
1251
01:19:58.670 --> 01:20:01.810
And there's a lot of points that I want to
1252
01:20:01.850 --> 01:20:07.279
break down in there, starting with the different dimensions. What
1253
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:10.720
are your thoughts on these dimensions? Do you think that
1254
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:15.810
they are just existing right beyond the spectrum of our vision?
1255
01:20:16.090 --> 01:20:19.710
And do you think there are multiple different dimensions or
1256
01:20:19.770 --> 01:20:23.810
reality that might be beyond our perception?
1257
01:20:25.510 --> 01:20:30.560
I think the veil is thin. And whenever I do
1258
01:20:30.569 --> 01:20:33.300
a lecture, I always mention how they are present with
1259
01:20:33.380 --> 01:20:37.220
but absent from us. And so when we get into
1260
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:41.029
the demonological research, we have many cases where the entities
1261
01:20:41.069 --> 01:20:45.710
will tell us, I watch you as you sleep. So
1262
01:20:45.750 --> 01:20:49.829
they're just almost, I'll say this, they're almost outside of
1263
01:20:49.909 --> 01:20:55.090
our peripheral vision. They manifest when they want to. In antiquity,
1264
01:20:55.130 --> 01:21:00.029
we had cases, this is wild, Chris, wild, brother. God,
1265
01:21:00.069 --> 01:21:03.800
I look so fat. I'll switch it up. I got like...
1266
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.840
I don't know what happened. I gained all my COVID
1267
01:21:06.859 --> 01:21:11.569
weight back then. So what we had back in the day, man,
1268
01:21:11.609 --> 01:21:15.029
is we had these entities that were pulling moisture out
1269
01:21:15.069 --> 01:21:20.750
of the air, coagulated water, solidifying it in their image,
1270
01:21:20.909 --> 01:21:23.770
and then stepping into it. Now they have an air body.
1271
01:21:23.789 --> 01:21:28.270
It's wild stuff. But again, to answer your question, you know,
1272
01:21:28.489 --> 01:21:32.430
that's the technology they have. And pretty much babies compared
1273
01:21:32.449 --> 01:21:34.750
to them. But I do believe that they exist in
1274
01:21:34.770 --> 01:21:38.789
the dimension that in many abduction accounts they're pulling us into.
1275
01:21:39.810 --> 01:21:42.569
In addition to that, I do believe that whatever dimension
1276
01:21:42.590 --> 01:21:47.770
they're existing in, we would know that as death. A
1277
01:21:47.850 --> 01:21:51.060
limited understanding, obviously, on our portion of it, but it
1278
01:21:51.109 --> 01:21:54.680
would be death. We're talking about disembodied or just what's
1279
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:58.609
called discorporate consciousness. that's pulled out of the body, but
1280
01:21:58.689 --> 01:22:03.989
exists independent. It has autonomy, independent of the body. We
1281
01:22:04.050 --> 01:22:06.449
see cases like that with Betty and Bob Luca, where
1282
01:22:06.550 --> 01:22:09.569
Betty Luca is going to bed. Bob's going to bed
1283
01:22:09.609 --> 01:22:11.750
and they go into the room. Bob's on the edge
1284
01:22:11.789 --> 01:22:15.449
of the bed, putting socks on. And in a fleeting moment,
1285
01:22:15.489 --> 01:22:19.619
Betty Luca, it's an abduction account, but at one fleeting moment,
1286
01:22:19.699 --> 01:22:22.720
she sees him in two places at once in the room.
1287
01:22:23.899 --> 01:22:33.100
They had pulled Bob Luca out of Bob Luca. So ufology, especially,
1288
01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:35.960
I mean, my God, forget McWest, but a lot of
1289
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.680
these other nuts and bolts researchers who want it strictly
1290
01:22:38.699 --> 01:22:41.779
to be something that we can measure with a scientific method,
1291
01:22:42.460 --> 01:22:46.460
we've got a serious conundrum here because they're pulling people
1292
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:52.640
out of themselves. And it's either through ritual witchcraft or
1293
01:22:52.659 --> 01:22:56.210
not witchcraft, but something along those lines. or it's through
1294
01:22:56.250 --> 01:23:00.600
some kind of technology of a soul. But whatever they're doing,
1295
01:23:00.609 --> 01:23:05.680
they're pulling us into their dimension. I think it's a
1296
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.920
very important point here. It's not just, okay, they're abducting people,
1297
01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:14.390
poking holes in their skin. They are abducting souls. And
1298
01:23:14.409 --> 01:23:18.609
in many cases, ladies and gentlemen, we have abductees who
1299
01:23:18.750 --> 01:23:23.529
think they were bodily abducted, but they were solely abducted,
1300
01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:26.140
I guess is a term. I'll make up and fill
1301
01:23:26.180 --> 01:23:30.399
it out there. But they believe their body's abducted, but
1302
01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:34.020
their soul is. And they don't learn that until they
1303
01:23:34.050 --> 01:23:37.020
get into memory regressions and they realize, oh my God,
1304
01:23:37.050 --> 01:23:42.029
I remember leaving my body, seeing my body in bed
1305
01:23:42.109 --> 01:23:45.729
or in the car or whatever, and I'm gone. So
1306
01:23:45.770 --> 01:23:51.409
what this points to is the disincorporate consciousness, disincorporate consciousness
1307
01:23:51.430 --> 01:23:54.569
that exists outside of the body. Now, what really troubles
1308
01:23:54.609 --> 01:23:58.250
me is that these entities have no problem whatsoever pulling
1309
01:23:58.289 --> 01:24:01.630
you out of yourself. They don't ask for permission. Matter
1310
01:24:01.670 --> 01:24:03.649
of fact, I had somebody comment on my YouTube channel,
1311
01:24:04.930 --> 01:24:07.229
lit me up as best as she could. You know,
1312
01:24:07.289 --> 01:24:12.590
you're an idiot. You're not speaking facts, stealing people's souls.
1313
01:24:12.670 --> 01:24:14.850
It's against the universal law. First of all, you don't
1314
01:24:14.869 --> 01:24:17.189
know how big the universe is. How do you know
1315
01:24:17.210 --> 01:24:19.600
what laws are the universal law? I mean, it's stupid.
1316
01:24:21.500 --> 01:24:23.279
But the fact is we have people that don't know
1317
01:24:23.300 --> 01:24:26.539
the data. We have tons of cases all across the
1318
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.050
world of people being pulled out of themselves without their permission.
1319
01:24:30.489 --> 01:24:34.710
And that's my little rant. Oh, shut up, dude. No, man.
1320
01:24:34.770 --> 01:24:37.130
It's all good. That kind of made me mad. I'm like,
1321
01:24:37.149 --> 01:24:39.170
how stupid. Universal law. What's that?
1322
01:24:39.869 --> 01:24:42.760
Well, along those same lines, do you think that there
1323
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:49.470
is some sort of duality amongst these interdimensional entities or–
1324
01:24:49.729 --> 01:24:53.470
Do you think that some realms are just pure chaos
1325
01:24:53.510 --> 01:24:56.250
or pure malevolence, or is there kind of shades of
1326
01:24:56.329 --> 01:24:57.890
gray in between? What do you think?
1327
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.229
Well, I think when we're dealing with a morality narrative,
1328
01:25:01.350 --> 01:25:04.819
it doesn't really matter what the morality is. You understand?
1329
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:06.319
Let me put it to you this way. You can
1330
01:25:06.340 --> 01:25:09.560
go into a prison, and you can have someone who
1331
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:15.779
is a famous, I don't know, murderer. But his victimology
1332
01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:19.760
is his victimology. You go in there like these kind
1333
01:25:19.770 --> 01:25:22.739
of guys, you know, they'll kill their certain people and
1334
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.859
then they'll find somebody who kills somebody else or some
1335
01:25:25.899 --> 01:25:28.899
kind of other victimology. And in their mind, that's an
1336
01:25:28.979 --> 01:25:31.520
evil person. I'm going to go kill that guy. Both
1337
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:35.579
of them are evil, but they have separate victimologies. And
1338
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:38.319
so when you're dealing with researchers who are trying to
1339
01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:41.310
define the threat narrative, I think it's important to realize
1340
01:25:41.770 --> 01:25:45.390
it really doesn't matter with their morality. They can think
1341
01:25:45.430 --> 01:25:49.180
they're doing something for us. They can think they're helping us,
1342
01:25:49.659 --> 01:25:51.699
but at the end of the day, they're an absolute threat.
1343
01:25:52.140 --> 01:25:54.319
Let Russia come over and pull the soul out of
1344
01:25:54.340 --> 01:25:58.380
your son, out of his body. Let China come over
1345
01:25:58.420 --> 01:26:01.739
here and press poles on everybody in your family, walk
1346
01:26:01.819 --> 01:26:06.390
through the wall and snatch you out of yourself. It's
1347
01:26:06.449 --> 01:26:09.409
insanity what we're dealing with now in the field. We're
1348
01:26:09.489 --> 01:26:12.970
trying to put lipstick on a pig and make it
1349
01:26:13.050 --> 01:26:15.989
look good enough to us. And let me dive deeper
1350
01:26:16.020 --> 01:26:17.880
to this rabbit hole. It really doesn't matter what their
1351
01:26:17.899 --> 01:26:22.260
morality is at all. Because even if, okay, they say, okay,
1352
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.460
we're trying to do moral things to us, we still
1353
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:30.180
have cases of sexual molestation during abductions. We cannot call
1354
01:26:30.220 --> 01:26:33.920
it anything else. Okay? Is this all right?
1355
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:35.579
Yeah, of course.
1356
01:26:37.100 --> 01:26:39.500
Go as deep as you want, man. Let's go deep.
1357
01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:42.989
Well, let's call it what it is, you know. When
1358
01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:45.819
we're dealing with men that are being plucked with their wives,
1359
01:26:45.859 --> 01:26:50.949
like Betty and Bonnie Hill, you know, and they're being
1360
01:26:51.229 --> 01:26:56.340
performed on sexually, that's molestation, you know?
1361
01:26:57.550 --> 01:26:59.750
What would you say to those that come back from
1362
01:26:59.789 --> 01:27:03.850
these experiences and it's completely like love and light experience? Oh,
1363
01:27:03.890 --> 01:27:06.750
these beings were wonderful. They gave me messages of love
1364
01:27:06.810 --> 01:27:08.949
and hope for the future and told us what we're
1365
01:27:08.989 --> 01:27:12.279
doing wrong to the environment, the planet, all these great
1366
01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:16.880
and beautiful things that seem to have no negative effects
1367
01:27:16.979 --> 01:27:19.899
on that person. Do you think that those are different
1368
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.500
type of entities or maybe just deceptions?
1369
01:27:24.329 --> 01:27:26.449
I don't know, to be honest with you. I would
1370
01:27:26.489 --> 01:27:30.180
lean more towards deception. A lot of these individuals will
1371
01:27:30.220 --> 01:27:32.760
go back and have regressive memories and realize, okay, yeah,
1372
01:27:32.779 --> 01:27:34.720
they've all been with love and life. And then when
1373
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.279
we got into it, I mean, really what they're teaching
1374
01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:38.560
us is just a bunch of hot air. How do
1375
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.859
we fix it? You know, what are the actual instructions here?
1376
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:45.239
Like when you get into the literature, even in Beyond UFOs,
1377
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:50.180
the gamut of explanations for abduction is not like unified.
1378
01:27:50.260 --> 01:27:53.500
It's this reason, that reason, this reason, a thousand different reasons.
1379
01:27:54.350 --> 01:27:56.890
And so what I've wanted to do, though, is ignore
1380
01:27:56.909 --> 01:28:00.329
the explanations. I don't care what these individuals are telling us.
1381
01:28:00.989 --> 01:28:04.449
I don't care why they're manifesting as dear Edna or
1382
01:28:04.489 --> 01:28:09.039
they're manifesting as a widower's husband and trying to coerce
1383
01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:13.479
her into sex. I don't care why they're telling us
1384
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.600
they're doing this for. I think it's irrelevant. I think
1385
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:19.880
it's just them running a program on us. Now, when
1386
01:28:19.899 --> 01:28:23.920
we're dealing with people who come back with very benevolent experiences,
1387
01:28:26.369 --> 01:28:29.909
I do not believe that that abduction begins and ends there.
1388
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:32.760
Like when we get into Betty Lucas case, she was
1389
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.199
taught that these entities were watchers. And yet she's in
1390
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:39.970
this ship and she sees three people who were seemingly deceased.
1391
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:45.399
on gurneys and orbs of light hovering over their bodies.
1392
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:50.430
And so when I lean towards these, the abduction accounts,
1393
01:28:50.470 --> 01:28:52.850
this is, you know, it's all love and light. I
1394
01:28:52.949 --> 01:28:56.890
really don't buy into that because it's not just, that's
1395
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not just what's going on here. And in many cases,
1396
01:29:00.029 --> 01:29:02.460
we have experiencers that will believe it's love and light,
1397
01:29:02.500 --> 01:29:06.920
and then they start dealing with trauma, sexual, unrealized trauma
1398
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:08.760
that they go through, and they have to go find
1399
01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:12.500
a therapist to get these memories out. And so do
1400
01:29:12.539 --> 01:29:15.060
I believe that there are cases where people are abducted
1401
01:29:15.779 --> 01:29:19.619
and they're given, I don't know, gift cards of consciousness
1402
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:23.029
where they think this is all great and everything? The
1403
01:29:23.090 --> 01:29:26.550
truth is, I'm not going to say it's not happening,
1404
01:29:26.630 --> 01:29:30.369
but I don't believe in that narrative. You know, we're
1405
01:29:30.390 --> 01:29:32.369
not dealing with anything that just abducts you, high five,
1406
01:29:32.390 --> 01:29:34.390
let's play chess. I'm going to give you a couple
1407
01:29:34.409 --> 01:29:37.170
of words and you're gone. That just doesn't happen. I mean,
1408
01:29:37.189 --> 01:29:40.109
what we do have, though, are accounts of people who
1409
01:29:40.170 --> 01:29:44.229
are seeing dead relatives, dead friends that they didn't know
1410
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:46.500
were deceased until they got out of the abduction, get
1411
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:48.479
a phone call the next day and, hey, Bob died
1412
01:29:48.500 --> 01:29:50.760
in a car wreck. Well, I just saw him last night,
1413
01:29:51.380 --> 01:29:54.300
you know? So I think that, again, when we're dealing
1414
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.619
with entities that are, you know, love and light and everything,
1415
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.659
I think there's a lot more going on in the background.
1416
01:29:59.539 --> 01:30:02.840
And if you look throughout history, we have cases that
1417
01:30:02.899 --> 01:30:06.560
far outweigh in terms of number numbers that far outweigh this,
1418
01:30:07.340 --> 01:30:11.210
you know, lipstick on a pig mentality. And when you
1419
01:30:11.229 --> 01:30:13.170
get into it, it's, it's most of the time it's
1420
01:30:13.390 --> 01:30:17.149
them running programs on us. It's just, it's no different. Okay. It's,
1421
01:30:17.210 --> 01:30:19.510
it's manipulation. It's deceitful. It's no different than when you
1422
01:30:19.529 --> 01:30:22.069
have a 12 year old who sees Mickey mouse to
1423
01:30:22.130 --> 01:30:27.430
send down and do his bedroom. Is that Mickey mouse? No. Right.
1424
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:31.279
What they're doing is they're working programs on us. And
1425
01:30:31.300 --> 01:30:35.359
in many cases, behind the scenes, somewhere deep within our subconscious,
1426
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.439
we understand, we know what happened. We just have to
1427
01:30:39.500 --> 01:30:41.659
get it out and manifest it. So I do believe
1428
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:44.390
there are people that experience that, but I do believe
1429
01:30:44.430 --> 01:30:49.850
it's still deceit. Don't look at the miracle, right? Look
1430
01:30:49.890 --> 01:30:51.829
at what's really going on behind the scenes.
1431
01:30:52.989 --> 01:30:57.899
I find the idea of a disincarnate, very interesting that
1432
01:30:57.939 --> 01:31:03.300
can kind of manipulate our perception and manipulate reality. But
1433
01:31:03.340 --> 01:31:06.369
I also find it interesting that you said that there's
1434
01:31:06.390 --> 01:31:08.909
a connection to the, you know, there's a connection to
1435
01:31:08.930 --> 01:31:12.270
the afterlife with these entities. Do you think it would
1436
01:31:12.329 --> 01:31:16.390
be possible that, you know, this disincarnated consciousness could be
1437
01:31:17.140 --> 01:31:20.319
us in the afterlife or, you know, maybe a form
1438
01:31:20.340 --> 01:31:21.180
of our consciousness?
1439
01:31:22.619 --> 01:31:25.250
I hope not. I hope I wouldn't molest myself in
1440
01:31:25.289 --> 01:31:30.829
an adoption account. Right, right, right. You know what I mean?
1441
01:31:30.989 --> 01:31:33.279
What's really fascinating about this is when you get into
1442
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:40.760
the Jewish literature, Jewish humanology, they actually had captured, this
1443
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:42.220
is in, I think it was in the Middle Ages,
1444
01:31:42.260 --> 01:31:45.699
they had actually captured one of these creatures. We didn't
1445
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:48.670
get much of a description, but if you look at
1446
01:31:48.750 --> 01:31:53.109
the knowledge that these entities have, it's fascinating. they were
1447
01:31:53.149 --> 01:31:57.010
walking one of these entities through the streets and he
1448
01:31:57.069 --> 01:32:01.050
looked at a cobbler right in the face and told
1449
01:32:01.090 --> 01:32:03.989
him the day you're going to die. This is, you're
1450
01:32:04.010 --> 01:32:07.029
going to die. And he told him, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Finally,
1451
01:32:07.050 --> 01:32:08.729
they had worked to deal with the entity where the
1452
01:32:08.770 --> 01:32:10.359
entity would just shut up. It wasn't because he was
1453
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:14.439
freaking people out. So, but look at the knowledge, right?
1454
01:32:14.659 --> 01:32:19.319
The foreknowledge. When we're dealing with these entities, they have
1455
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:24.010
proven knowledge of death. the afterlife and knowing when people
1456
01:32:24.050 --> 01:32:27.359
will die. He did the Betty Lucas case. These entities
1457
01:32:27.420 --> 01:32:30.380
told her when her sons would die. She would immediately
1458
01:32:30.420 --> 01:32:32.579
went to Ray Fowler and told Ray, the researcher that
1459
01:32:32.619 --> 01:32:35.720
was working with her. Hey, listen, I'm kind of freaking out.
1460
01:32:36.180 --> 01:32:40.289
I was, I had an abduction experience and I feel
1461
01:32:40.630 --> 01:32:44.489
an unholy dread that something's going to happen to my kids.
1462
01:32:45.350 --> 01:32:51.170
And sure enough, they died. So, so whatever we're dealing with, again,
1463
01:32:51.210 --> 01:32:55.069
we're dealing with entities that exist just outside of the body,
1464
01:32:55.930 --> 01:32:58.770
but they exist in that dimension of death, what we
1465
01:32:58.789 --> 01:33:00.770
would call death. And I, when I say that, I'm
1466
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.680
not saying, okay, death, horns and hooves, pitchforks and all
1467
01:33:03.699 --> 01:33:08.300
that stuff, but they are disembodied. And I think that
1468
01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:10.960
it's a fascinating aspect of it because when we see
1469
01:33:11.020 --> 01:33:14.220
Chris Bledsoe's work, not even his work, cause it's not
1470
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.260
like his work at all. He's an experiencer, you know
1471
01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.079
what I mean? Like, you know, his manifestations, his accounts,
1472
01:33:19.739 --> 01:33:22.579
you know, we're dealing with almost a plasma entity or
1473
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.880
an entity that in the Phoenician text, we would call
1474
01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:30.979
a Lil spirit. So it's fascinating, but that's really, I think,
1475
01:33:31.180 --> 01:33:34.640
what these entities are. I do not believe they were
1476
01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:38.199
created just as, you know, a soul. I think that
1477
01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:41.500
they were at one time embodied and that now they
1478
01:33:41.579 --> 01:33:45.649
exist in that dimension. What's also interesting is it's not
1479
01:33:45.770 --> 01:33:49.310
just that they have a knowledge of the afterlife. You know,
1480
01:33:49.350 --> 01:33:54.489
I did a lecture on sleep paralysis and incubi cases
1481
01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:57.069
a couple of years ago, and I didn't know it.
1482
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.260
It was a Zoom conference. I had no idea that
1483
01:33:59.300 --> 01:34:02.920
there was an abductee in there on the call. And
1484
01:34:03.859 --> 01:34:05.710
at the very end of the lecture, he asked me
1485
01:34:05.750 --> 01:34:09.399
a very serious question. It was troubling. This kind of
1486
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:12.779
connects hauntology with the UFO abduction phenomenon. He said, you know,
1487
01:34:12.819 --> 01:34:15.420
he said, me and my late wife, he said, we
1488
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.699
are lifelong experiencers. He said she was an experiencer prior
1489
01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.619
to us getting married and vice versa on my end.
1490
01:34:22.489 --> 01:34:24.869
He said, but, you know, we've been abducted together. We've
1491
01:34:24.890 --> 01:34:28.909
had a lot of strange experiences. He said, but the
1492
01:34:28.970 --> 01:34:32.550
strangest thing that ever happened to him was he said
1493
01:34:32.649 --> 01:34:35.300
one night he was sleeping and about 2.30 in the morning,
1494
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:38.560
he said he was fast asleep. His wife was fast asleep.
1495
01:34:39.329 --> 01:34:43.949
And he felt some rustling underneath the covers. That was
1496
01:34:43.970 --> 01:34:47.189
a very chilling account. And he said, they don't have
1497
01:34:47.229 --> 01:34:50.210
a dog. They don't have a cat. So he said
1498
01:34:50.250 --> 01:34:51.850
at first he thought it was his wife. She had
1499
01:34:51.869 --> 01:34:54.770
maybe restless leg syndrome or had a nightmare and stuff.
1500
01:34:55.689 --> 01:34:58.430
And he said he woke up and his eyes adjust
1501
01:34:58.470 --> 01:35:01.069
to the darkness and he's looking and he's realizing that
1502
01:35:02.250 --> 01:35:07.149
this entity was underneath the covers. It was small. but
1503
01:35:07.189 --> 01:35:09.699
it was moving and shifting the bed enough to wake
1504
01:35:09.739 --> 01:35:14.539
him up. He sees the blanket draped over the entity.
1505
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.659
This is really weird. He says, I pulled the covers back,
1506
01:35:20.979 --> 01:35:26.189
and it's a little girl. She's pale in complexion. She
1507
01:35:26.229 --> 01:35:30.569
looks dead. He said, I pick her up. He said, Nate.
1508
01:35:31.250 --> 01:35:33.890
He said, Nathaniel. He said, I physically picked her up.
1509
01:35:34.869 --> 01:35:38.630
And I'm looking at her thinking, what is going on?
1510
01:35:40.770 --> 01:35:47.399
She looks at him and says, my father burned me alive.
1511
01:35:49.539 --> 01:35:52.899
He killed me and my brother. And he said, when
1512
01:35:52.939 --> 01:35:55.380
that happened, he said, she looked in the corner of
1513
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.289
the room and it was dark, obviously. They're sleeping in
1514
01:35:58.329 --> 01:36:01.369
bed at night, Tom. He said, and in the corner
1515
01:36:01.409 --> 01:36:07.529
of the room was a little boy. It was just
1516
01:36:07.569 --> 01:36:10.729
standing there, and he said that the little girl looked
1517
01:36:10.789 --> 01:36:13.390
at him and said, my dad burned us alive. We're
1518
01:36:13.510 --> 01:36:17.630
here now. That's my little brother. We're both dead. He
1519
01:36:17.710 --> 01:36:23.239
doesn't know he's dead yet. Is this all right?
1520
01:36:23.260 --> 01:36:25.359
Yeah, that's creepy.
1521
01:36:26.380 --> 01:36:31.300
Very creepy. He said there was physicality to this little girl.
1522
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:34.600
She was physically in my bed. He said I picked
1523
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:36.810
her up and held her like he held his niece before.
1524
01:36:38.010 --> 01:36:41.689
And he said, what I don't understand, he said, is
1525
01:36:41.750 --> 01:36:45.819
that for some reason, I cannot help but feel that
1526
01:36:45.939 --> 01:36:49.899
the entities that he had encountered in that room were
1527
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:53.579
some of the same entities and people he had encountered
1528
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:58.939
during his abductions. He said there was a familiarity with
1529
01:36:58.979 --> 01:37:05.770
this little girl. She knew him. So. What are we
1530
01:37:05.899 --> 01:37:11.000
dealing with here in terms of hauntology, disincarnate consciousness, and
1531
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:15.279
what we're experiencing in the UFO abduction phenomenon? I believe
1532
01:37:15.539 --> 01:37:20.479
that on both fronts, we're experiencing the same thing. I
1533
01:37:20.539 --> 01:37:25.899
believe that in hauntology, in malevolent hauntings, we're experiencing these entities.
1534
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.520
And I think that for thousands of years, they hid
1535
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:34.619
behind the mask and veil of demonology. Now they've shifted
1536
01:37:34.659 --> 01:37:39.680
the narrative. How about this one? It's almost as ambiguous
1537
01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:46.609
as the origin of demons. I'm extraterrestrial. Right? And so
1538
01:37:46.689 --> 01:37:49.069
now we have a new front of warfare, a new
1539
01:37:49.090 --> 01:37:52.689
front of deceit. Now it's not just that they're putting
1540
01:37:52.750 --> 01:37:57.270
masks on and looking like our deceased relatives or with
1541
01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:02.199
Ted Rice's grandmother, her husband. They had tried to groom
1542
01:38:02.220 --> 01:38:05.130
her in an intercourse during an abduction account. You know,
1543
01:38:05.149 --> 01:38:06.989
I've only been with one man. He's been dead now
1544
01:38:07.010 --> 01:38:12.220
for 10 years. They manifest his apparition, right? So on
1545
01:38:12.380 --> 01:38:17.579
both fronts, we're working with entities that can sound like us,
1546
01:38:18.539 --> 01:38:25.270
look like us, manifest to us as our own memories. Why?
1547
01:38:25.890 --> 01:38:29.949
It's deceit. It's plain deceit.
1548
01:38:31.420 --> 01:38:35.079
Now an interesting kind of point that adds to that
1549
01:38:35.380 --> 01:38:39.090
is when you look at the history of ufo abductions
1550
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:43.250
and ufo encounters it seems to have shifted with human
1551
01:38:43.310 --> 01:38:46.920
consciousness you know We start out with the Greys, and
1552
01:38:46.979 --> 01:38:50.000
then now all of a sudden, years go by, we
1553
01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:53.279
have Nordics and then Reptilians all of a sudden.
1554
01:38:53.939 --> 01:38:54.779
And then it's the same.
1555
01:38:54.659 --> 01:38:59.159
With the UFO sightings. You have the old airship sightings,
1556
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:02.500
and then it turns into saucers and then plasma ships
1557
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.920
and all kinds of new types of little orbs and
1558
01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:09.420
things that we're seeing nowadays. It seems to have changed
1559
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:14.699
with people's perception and consciousness over the years and the
1560
01:39:14.739 --> 01:39:18.060
way they think about UFOs or aliens, right?
1561
01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:22.340
Correct, correct. That's one thing that's fascinating about how these
1562
01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:28.189
entities work. They evolve according to our awareness of them. So,
1563
01:39:28.310 --> 01:39:31.069
you know, like I had a young lady that had
1564
01:39:31.109 --> 01:39:34.260
reached out to me from India. And these entities were
1565
01:39:34.300 --> 01:39:38.380
grooming her, trying to, and I use that word grooming loosely.
1566
01:39:39.020 --> 01:39:43.789
They were trying to condition her. How about that? Into intercourse.
1567
01:39:44.569 --> 01:39:46.829
And she said that she had been with eight different
1568
01:39:46.850 --> 01:39:49.949
men in her lifetime. She said that the entities would
1569
01:39:50.010 --> 01:39:55.529
manifest to her as every one of those men. So again,
1570
01:39:55.569 --> 01:39:59.729
they're working a program on us. or awareness of them,
1571
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:01.920
her awareness of them. It wasn't a stranger. It was
1572
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:06.659
somebody she had already been intimate with, which it increased
1573
01:40:06.699 --> 01:40:11.600
the probability of intimacy again. You've already been with this individual.
1574
01:40:13.100 --> 01:40:16.300
The probability of you being with them again is pretty
1575
01:40:16.340 --> 01:40:19.600
much there. So I'm going to manifest according to your
1576
01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:24.670
memory of them. And it's not just on memory. It's
1577
01:40:24.689 --> 01:40:28.060
very interesting too. And it's hard for me as a
1578
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:32.260
researcher not to go into the Bible and see some
1579
01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:34.399
of the things Yahweh preaches against. It's hard for me
1580
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.880
not to look at that objectively and say, okay, you know,
1581
01:40:38.939 --> 01:40:41.500
he was knowledgeable about these entities and there's reasons why
1582
01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:44.779
he made sure, you know, you didn't have an image
1583
01:40:44.819 --> 01:40:48.180
of him. There's nobody appearing to people saying they're Yahweh. Why?
1584
01:40:48.220 --> 01:40:50.640
Because Yahweh told them you'll never make an image of him.
1585
01:40:52.090 --> 01:40:55.310
Very important point here. So it's okay, let's get back
1586
01:40:55.350 --> 01:40:56.569
into what I was going to say. So we're not
1587
01:40:56.590 --> 01:41:00.029
just dealing with entities that will manifest according to our memory,
1588
01:41:00.050 --> 01:41:02.989
but they will manifest according to our belief. We have
1589
01:41:03.029 --> 01:41:05.170
a lot of accounts of people who are seeing a
1590
01:41:05.270 --> 01:41:14.239
white Jesus manifesting to them, right? A westernized, de-Judaized, Swedish, blonde-haired,
1591
01:41:14.300 --> 01:41:20.380
Presbyterian Jesus. Completely ahistorical, right? It's obvious. But it's according
1592
01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:23.060
to a person's literacy and according to what they, in
1593
01:41:23.100 --> 01:41:26.239
their mind, created an image of him. What do they
1594
01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:30.939
see him as? So we have abduction accounts everywhere. People say, okay,
1595
01:41:31.260 --> 01:41:34.039
I called on Jesus. And they say, well, we have Jesus.
1596
01:41:35.460 --> 01:41:41.039
Which Jesus do you want me to be? Which program
1597
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:44.979
should I run on you? And then they manifest, again,
1598
01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:50.149
according to the literacy and belief system of the individual. Now,
1599
01:41:50.170 --> 01:41:52.130
what we do not have, this is fascinating. I do
1600
01:41:52.170 --> 01:41:57.789
believe Yahweh made this commandment in respect to multers and
1601
01:41:57.829 --> 01:42:02.460
so on. You shall make no graven image of me. Why?
1602
01:42:03.140 --> 01:42:05.020
Because later on in the future, there's going to be
1603
01:42:05.060 --> 01:42:07.960
entities that are going to manifest as Muhammad, Jesus, everything.
1604
01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:11.819
But they'll never manifest as Yahweh because Yahweh has no image.
1605
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:17.479
He's incorporeal. So he was basically separating himself from... from
1606
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:20.180
the programs these entities would like to work on people.
1607
01:42:21.020 --> 01:42:23.479
But I think that the base note here that unites
1608
01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:27.039
both phenomena is that we're dealing with entities that will
1609
01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:34.550
manipulate us, using us against ourselves, and weaponizing our ignorance
1610
01:42:35.350 --> 01:42:35.869
against us.
1611
01:42:38.270 --> 01:42:42.229
Yeah, man, that's so interesting. Now, you used a word
1612
01:42:42.310 --> 01:42:47.470
that popped out to me a few times, programming. Now,
1613
01:42:47.529 --> 01:42:51.460
what are your thoughts on this? You also said earlier
1614
01:42:51.500 --> 01:42:54.779
that they possibly could be using some kind of technology.
1615
01:42:56.460 --> 01:42:59.939
What are the possibilities that we are in some type
1616
01:42:59.979 --> 01:43:03.430
of grand simulation and there are some sort of malevolent
1617
01:43:03.510 --> 01:43:07.109
programmers that can just change our reality at will?
1618
01:43:08.689 --> 01:43:12.239
I think it's a very interesting thought. Here's why. when
1619
01:43:12.260 --> 01:43:15.359
we're dealing with entities that are abducting us from ourselves
1620
01:43:15.420 --> 01:43:18.000
and splitting us into two, it seems to be two
1621
01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:22.810
different realities that that one person exists in. Why do
1622
01:43:22.850 --> 01:43:25.390
I say that? Because we're dealing with people like Betty
1623
01:43:25.409 --> 01:43:28.930
and Bob Luca, Dr. Carla Turner's work, even David Jacobs' work.
1624
01:43:29.770 --> 01:43:33.130
We have people who during their abduction, they're being educated.
1625
01:43:33.229 --> 01:43:37.479
This is interesting. Oh my God. People like Betty Luca,
1626
01:43:38.289 --> 01:43:41.310
who it's almost as if they did. They set her
1627
01:43:41.390 --> 01:43:45.369
down on a ship in a chair where the chair
1628
01:43:45.630 --> 01:43:48.369
and the object she was working on the ship, it
1629
01:43:48.430 --> 01:43:53.859
was tailored to her physicality and figure, tailored to her crystal.
1630
01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:58.560
She said it was fitted to her body, everything, her
1631
01:43:58.619 --> 01:44:02.899
small hands and everything. It was tailored to her. Now,
1632
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:05.359
then they begin to educate Betty Luca on how to
1633
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:06.899
fly the ship. This is how you do it. You
1634
01:44:06.939 --> 01:44:08.840
do it with your mind and all this stuff. And
1635
01:44:08.859 --> 01:44:11.810
she's not alone in this. We have many abductees that
1636
01:44:11.899 --> 01:44:15.550
this has happened to. But when they get back into
1637
01:44:15.590 --> 01:44:20.170
their body, they seem to forget all of it. Right?
1638
01:44:20.930 --> 01:44:23.630
And then they go into memory regression. And then it
1639
01:44:23.729 --> 01:44:26.539
pops up again. Okay. Oh, my God. There's a portion
1640
01:44:26.579 --> 01:44:33.399
of memory involved. That's limited by physically or being physically embodied. Oh,
1641
01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:37.880
how about that? Right? Once the soul is placed in
1642
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:41.979
the body, it's limited in memory. And so what's been
1643
01:44:42.020 --> 01:44:45.210
happening is we've had abductees being told by these entities,
1644
01:44:45.649 --> 01:44:47.279
this is what you're doing. This is how to do it.
1645
01:44:47.369 --> 01:44:50.510
One day you will do this, but you won't remember it.
1646
01:44:50.550 --> 01:44:53.810
And then you get back into your body. And then
1647
01:44:53.829 --> 01:44:58.439
you never fly a ship as long as you live. Why? Right? Why?
1648
01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:01.560
Because there's the body that lives in one dimension and
1649
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.920
the soul that lives in another. They're educating the soul,
1650
01:45:05.380 --> 01:45:08.420
placing it back into the body. Now, what I also
1651
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:10.229
want to make a point here, guys, is we're getting
1652
01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:14.050
some good stuff here. We're dealing with two different memories.
1653
01:45:15.189 --> 01:45:19.470
Not just that, but they're educating the soulish part of us.
1654
01:45:20.710 --> 01:45:27.579
They're not teaching us muscle memory. Right? It's not muscle memory.
1655
01:45:27.659 --> 01:45:32.159
They're teaching the soul. Now, why is that important? Well,
1656
01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:34.869
because when you get into Ezekiel's wheel in the Bible,
1657
01:45:36.850 --> 01:45:42.069
the author says that the soul of the creature was
1658
01:45:42.390 --> 01:45:49.020
in the wheel. Oh. Wherever the creature went, which is
1659
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:55.319
the soul, wherever the soul went, the wheel went with it.
1660
01:45:57.149 --> 01:46:01.189
This right here, the merging of consciousness with metal, was
1661
01:46:01.409 --> 01:46:04.930
first orchestrated in history by necromancers. I don't know if
1662
01:46:04.970 --> 01:46:08.930
we've talked about that yet. Where they took a small
1663
01:46:08.989 --> 01:46:12.090
piece of metal, carved the name of an unclean spirit
1664
01:46:12.109 --> 01:46:12.489
in Hebrew.
1665
01:46:12.590 --> 01:46:13.750
Oh, yes, we did.
1666
01:46:14.489 --> 01:46:17.529
And they implant that into somebody. And the consciousness of
1667
01:46:17.569 --> 01:46:23.489
that dead person possesses the body by virtue. You get passionate, Chris.
1668
01:46:24.149 --> 01:46:29.850
By merging its consciousness with metal, now the metal itself
1669
01:46:29.939 --> 01:46:34.399
is alive. There's memory in metal. There's emotions in metal.
1670
01:46:34.460 --> 01:46:37.899
There's a soul in it. And I believe that's why
1671
01:46:37.939 --> 01:46:40.699
we have like, I think it's 65% of abductees get
1672
01:46:40.739 --> 01:46:47.239
on the ship and realize the ship itself is alive. Right?
1673
01:46:47.779 --> 01:46:55.430
The soul of the creature. is in the metal. Wherever
1674
01:46:55.470 --> 01:47:00.029
the soul goes, the ship goes as well. And so
1675
01:47:00.050 --> 01:47:03.149
what's also interesting about that is this is called therapy,
1676
01:47:03.189 --> 01:47:06.130
but it wasn't just an act of merging consciousness with metal,
1677
01:47:06.609 --> 01:47:11.510
but it was a way to prolong the afterlife. It
1678
01:47:11.550 --> 01:47:15.489
was a way for that soul to remain in existence
1679
01:47:16.529 --> 01:47:20.949
by incorporating it with something metallic. And do I believe
1680
01:47:20.989 --> 01:47:27.529
that They were the very first metallic implants, absolutely. I
1681
01:47:27.590 --> 01:47:31.250
think they're also using the same technology now by implanting
1682
01:47:31.289 --> 01:47:33.680
their own consciousness in the metal and then placing that
1683
01:47:33.729 --> 01:47:34.109
in us.
1684
01:47:36.619 --> 01:47:42.659
Man, let's go even deeper with this. So if this
1685
01:47:42.739 --> 01:47:47.520
could be some kind of technology and we are possibly
1686
01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:50.319
in some kind of programmable simulation.
1687
01:47:50.340 --> 01:47:51.199
Right.
1688
01:47:51.949 --> 01:47:55.710
These entities, do you think that there are, that we're,
1689
01:47:55.970 --> 01:47:57.590
first of all, do you think that we're trapped here?
1690
01:47:57.630 --> 01:48:00.579
That this is, you know, you hear an alien abduction
1691
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.500
theorist saying that we're on a prison planet, that these
1692
01:48:03.619 --> 01:48:06.359
entities keep us here and, you know, our souls are trapped.
1693
01:48:06.699 --> 01:48:09.739
Do you think there's any, you know, kind of possibility
1694
01:48:09.819 --> 01:48:13.789
to that with these malevolent entities that they do have
1695
01:48:13.869 --> 01:48:15.829
our soul kind of trapped in this realm?
1696
01:48:15.850 --> 01:48:21.119
Unless you work with them. We have sages throughout history,
1697
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:27.840
especially your Kabbalistic sages, that would perform rituals to conjure
1698
01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:31.199
these entities. That's why I believe they're not benevolent and,
1699
01:48:31.739 --> 01:48:34.649
you know, hi, I'm Uncle Tom, let's go in the... No.
1700
01:48:36.029 --> 01:48:40.390
These entities, at first, they were connected to By performing
1701
01:48:40.470 --> 01:48:44.890
ritual magic. Look at Eliphas Levi, especially Aleister Crowley, with
1702
01:48:44.909 --> 01:48:48.140
the entity he encountered. He had to perform rituals to
1703
01:48:48.229 --> 01:48:51.300
get to that level. And he would even instruct his disciples,
1704
01:48:51.340 --> 01:48:54.380
don't you do what I do. Why? Because I have 35, 40,
1705
01:48:54.380 --> 01:48:57.779
50 years of experience with them. They don't respect you
1706
01:48:57.819 --> 01:49:02.399
like they respect me. So, you know, our ancestors have
1707
01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.029
quite a few of sages, quite a few sages rather,
1708
01:49:05.069 --> 01:49:07.430
that have encountered these entities, but they had to work
1709
01:49:07.470 --> 01:49:10.119
their way up. And so that's why it's very concerning
1710
01:49:10.140 --> 01:49:12.220
to me about these people that want to do CE5
1711
01:49:13.420 --> 01:49:16.220
events and all this stuff. It's dangerous. First of all,
1712
01:49:16.260 --> 01:49:18.659
it's like sticking a hand in the ocean and then
1713
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.720
hoping nothing bites you. You're in a shark-infested area here.
1714
01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.340
You're dealing with entities that, first of all, you can't control.
1715
01:49:27.699 --> 01:49:31.550
Second of all, you can't maintain. You can't even define.
1716
01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:38.119
And we're wanting CE5. My God. Maybe they'll come over
1717
01:49:38.140 --> 01:49:40.800
here and communicate. That's fine. But let's look at some
1718
01:49:40.819 --> 01:49:43.149
of the other communications from people who wanted that to happen.
1719
01:49:43.770 --> 01:49:46.529
It all just snags you out of yourself. How about that? Right.
1720
01:49:47.010 --> 01:49:47.329
You know?
1721
01:49:47.630 --> 01:49:52.909
Yeah. Now we touched on this a little bit last time,
1722
01:49:52.970 --> 01:49:56.350
and this goes a little bit deeper into this whole phenomenon,
1723
01:49:56.810 --> 01:50:01.590
is the aspect that these people are meeting hybrid children,
1724
01:50:01.649 --> 01:50:05.829
that they're having experiments done on their DNA, having sperm
1725
01:50:05.869 --> 01:50:09.789
and eggs removed. And some of these abductees are actually,
1726
01:50:09.909 --> 01:50:12.720
like I said, meeting what they're telling them is their
1727
01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:16.399
hybrid children. What do you think is going on really
1728
01:50:16.460 --> 01:50:19.840
behind this phenomenon? Do you think that these entities are
1729
01:50:19.899 --> 01:50:23.619
really hybridizing themselves with humans?
1730
01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:31.289
I think the hybridization program is about hatching consciousness. And
1731
01:50:31.409 --> 01:50:35.949
I do believe that this... consciousness that they're hatching is
1732
01:50:36.210 --> 01:50:38.329
for whatever purpose, the same reason they're pulling souls out.
1733
01:50:38.369 --> 01:50:42.210
They're studying souls, studying consciousness. Now they're hatching through the
1734
01:50:42.250 --> 01:50:46.109
hybridization program. Also, I believe that a lot of these
1735
01:50:46.229 --> 01:50:52.640
children are, bodies at least, are being skin suits for
1736
01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:56.539
people who are dying. This is very interesting. We have
1737
01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:00.880
a case study, Dr. Carla Turner, to work with a lady,
1738
01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:03.699
And I forget her name, but it doesn't really matter
1739
01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:05.260
because it wasn't even her real name. You know what
1740
01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:06.819
I mean? That's what Dr. Culler-Turner said. It was the
1741
01:51:06.859 --> 01:51:13.079
fake name. Anyways, she was abducted. And in the abduction account,
1742
01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:18.319
she had had a sexual encounter with these enemies. A couple,
1743
01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:20.560
two or three months later, she's pregnant. She tells her husband,
1744
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:24.250
this is not a viable fetus. That's her terminology, a
1745
01:51:24.310 --> 01:51:28.590
very unique way of framing it. This child will not survive.
1746
01:51:28.609 --> 01:51:30.029
Okay.
1747
01:51:30.529 --> 01:51:32.130
I want to make sure everybody understands the distinction. I'm
1748
01:51:32.170 --> 01:51:36.850
not saying this is a natural born child, right? This isn't,
1749
01:51:36.869 --> 01:51:39.470
you know, people that are having intercourse and then they
1750
01:51:39.529 --> 01:51:45.979
have pregnancies. These are children that are being born from, right? Abductions.
1751
01:51:46.569 --> 01:51:48.220
There's a difference because I have people, you know, that
1752
01:51:48.260 --> 01:51:50.819
blow me up. Oh my God, you know, the vaccine
1753
01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:54.079
is creating a bunch of, you know, miscarriages. I'm not
1754
01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:56.760
talking about that. You understand what I mean? We're talking
1755
01:51:56.779 --> 01:51:59.659
about pregnancies that are happening from the abduction accounts. Not
1756
01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.479
from a husband and a wife and all that stuff.
1757
01:52:01.539 --> 01:52:06.039
It's a completely different subject. Anyway, she tells her husband,
1758
01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:10.720
this baby is not from our union, but it's not
1759
01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:15.119
going to survive. She knew that. How did she know?
1760
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:19.619
Why did she know? Who told her that? Sure enough,
1761
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:24.000
the baby dies and she has the missing, well, it
1762
01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:26.229
wasn't even missing fetus syndrome. She actually had, I think,
1763
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:28.239
I don't know. She needed to pass her to something
1764
01:52:28.260 --> 01:52:31.199
that happened where the baby had died. And then she
1765
01:52:31.260 --> 01:52:35.350
goes and she's abducted again. This is very interesting. During
1766
01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:40.270
the abduction account, they do something that we've heard for years.
1767
01:52:40.289 --> 01:52:43.569
It's a common motif in the phenomenon, but they bring
1768
01:52:43.689 --> 01:52:50.529
her a hybrid child. And during this encounter, or not
1769
01:52:50.550 --> 01:52:55.220
even encounter, during this regressive memory session with Dr. Carla Turner,
1770
01:52:56.140 --> 01:52:59.100
the woman begins to get emotional, right? She's having an
1771
01:52:59.140 --> 01:53:03.149
emotional reaction to this story. She starts crying. She says,
1772
01:53:03.210 --> 01:53:08.350
it's something that I cannot understand occurred. She said, the child,
1773
01:53:08.390 --> 01:53:14.210
the hybrid child they gave me had the consciousness of
1774
01:53:14.229 --> 01:53:22.060
the deceased child that I lost in it. She said
1775
01:53:22.100 --> 01:53:27.770
they had taken the consciousness out. placed it in the body,
1776
01:53:27.810 --> 01:53:30.819
the skin suit, the avatar, if you will, of the
1777
01:53:30.899 --> 01:53:36.020
hybrid child. So what this means, and this is what
1778
01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:42.380
I'm leaning towards, they're not just taking hybrids. They're not
1779
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:48.289
just creating different fetuses and whatnot. I believe that for
1780
01:53:48.409 --> 01:53:55.590
some way, just as the larva produces the butterfly, They're
1781
01:53:55.689 --> 01:54:01.210
creating consciousness by creating the body and harvesting the consciousness
1782
01:54:01.289 --> 01:54:07.109
from it, which falls in line again with something very
1783
01:54:07.189 --> 01:54:10.680
troubling because if they're creating hybrids, does that hybrid have
1784
01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:14.979
a soul? Does it have consciousness in and of itself?
1785
01:54:16.119 --> 01:54:21.399
And or are they taking their consciousness and placing it
1786
01:54:21.619 --> 01:54:30.369
into these avatars right? And each generation of hybridization looks
1787
01:54:30.510 --> 01:54:33.229
more and more human to the point now where you
1788
01:54:33.270 --> 01:54:35.569
can look at a human being and not realize there's
1789
01:54:35.649 --> 01:54:40.300
consciousness that's dead in a living body. Now, we have
1790
01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:43.579
cases like that in the Nephilim. It's exactly what it was.
1791
01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:49.239
Matter of fact, not just that, but the technical definition
1792
01:54:49.300 --> 01:54:53.199
of the dybbuk or the dybbuk was the impregnation. Hello,
1793
01:54:53.260 --> 01:54:57.369
hybridization from The impregnation of the dead in the bodies
1794
01:54:57.510 --> 01:55:04.920
of the living. It's the same systematic way that they've
1795
01:55:04.939 --> 01:55:08.239
been manipulating Earth and humans.
1796
01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:10.119
Man.
1797
01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.500
Now, I want to talk about these entities that you
1798
01:55:13.539 --> 01:55:17.350
mentioned earlier. I know we may have talked briefly about
1799
01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:21.750
them before, but molters and soul hunters. Could you tell
1800
01:55:21.789 --> 01:55:23.439
us about what exactly these are?
1801
01:55:25.380 --> 01:55:29.340
So a mulcher, I got the idea from visiting my brother.
1802
01:55:30.239 --> 01:55:32.680
One day, he has a tarantula. So one day, I'm
1803
01:55:32.739 --> 01:55:35.399
sitting there looking at a tarantula, poking on the window,
1804
01:55:35.460 --> 01:55:38.739
trying to get him to react in my dumb butt.
1805
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:42.319
Five minutes, man. My brother finally goes, you idiot, that's
1806
01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:44.859
not it. I said, what do you mean? He said, well,
1807
01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:48.930
that's its skin. I said, what do you mean? Yeah,
1808
01:55:49.060 --> 01:55:51.770
the actual tarantula is over there in the corner just
1809
01:55:51.829 --> 01:55:54.600
watching you like an idiot. Like, you're an idiot, you know? Well,
1810
01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:57.460
I kind of am at this point. And so I
1811
01:55:57.500 --> 01:56:00.279
realized that when you have the same creature in two
1812
01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:05.720
places at once, right? It's a similar effect as when
1813
01:56:05.739 --> 01:56:08.319
we had Bob Luca. Two places at once. We have
1814
01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:12.819
his body. We have whatever grows out of his body. Okay?
1815
01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:17.590
So that's called multa. Now, the multas that we're dealing with, again,
1816
01:56:17.609 --> 01:56:20.689
we've been dealing with them for millennia. The same entities
1817
01:56:20.729 --> 01:56:24.909
we encounter in Genesis 6. who are deceased people who
1818
01:56:24.970 --> 01:56:30.470
are being reborn through children that they create, possessing them
1819
01:56:30.510 --> 01:56:33.989
in perfect possession, as Malachi Martin would call them. And
1820
01:56:34.050 --> 01:56:37.199
then when that body dies, they molt it. They leave
1821
01:56:37.260 --> 01:56:40.520
that body, and they step into a new one. Now,
1822
01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.600
these entities have evolved. They've mutated in their pathology and
1823
01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:50.770
what they've been doing. These people, personas, were first described–
1824
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:55.760
On the battlefield, this is James Frazier's work on the
1825
01:56:55.779 --> 01:56:59.680
Golden Belt, where in antiquity, they would be on the battlefield.
1826
01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:04.539
They would be mortally wounded. And a way to survive,
1827
01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:10.329
they would dispossess their own body, molt it, right? They'd
1828
01:57:10.449 --> 01:57:14.069
leave it. And then they would place their soul in
1829
01:57:14.250 --> 01:57:18.770
something or someone else so that their body dies, but
1830
01:57:18.810 --> 01:57:23.520
their consciousness lives on Now that phenomenon in humanology would
1831
01:57:23.539 --> 01:57:27.829
be called that possession. It wasn't just a relocation of consciousness, right?
1832
01:57:27.850 --> 01:57:31.310
You're following me? But it was the replication of life.
1833
01:57:32.329 --> 01:57:37.899
I'm not doing this just to relocate my soul. I'm
1834
01:57:37.989 --> 01:57:42.100
doing this to replicate the life I had. It's very interesting.
1835
01:57:42.579 --> 01:57:45.159
So we have here in the evolution of possession, it's
1836
01:57:45.220 --> 01:57:50.670
transient at first. They would possess statues, okay? We're getting
1837
01:57:50.710 --> 01:57:53.960
into the late Iron Age where people would have dead ancestors.
1838
01:57:53.979 --> 01:57:56.399
You know, Uncle Ted died. They would bury them in
1839
01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:59.399
their basement. They'd go out to an artificer of metal,
1840
01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:03.439
which the Bible talks about. They would create an image
1841
01:58:04.710 --> 01:58:08.949
of Uncle Ted. And then the consciousness of Uncle Ted
1842
01:58:08.989 --> 01:58:14.180
would then possess. the image itself, right? Then they evolved
1843
01:58:14.229 --> 01:58:16.539
to taking consciousness and merging it with metal and then
1844
01:58:16.579 --> 01:58:19.539
placing the metal into people as implants. And now that
1845
01:58:19.619 --> 01:58:24.439
person becomes possessed by the unclean spirit, right? See how
1846
01:58:24.460 --> 01:58:28.010
they're evolving? So then transient possession would be, you know,
1847
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a spirit. Like, let's say me, you know what I
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look like, right? Obviously. So what happened is, let's say
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I die. And then I go possess a man that
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looks nothing like me. I'm 5'8. Let's say I possess
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a guy that's 6'5. Black hair, a lot skinnier than
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I am. That's called transient possession. That's what a lot
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of these individuals do. Well, finally, they started realizing that
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it's not good enough. I don't want to just possess
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people that have bodies. I don't want to commandeer their
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consciousness and live life through them. I want a body
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that looks like me, right? I want a body that
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looks like my apparition. So in Genesis 6, according to
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the Apocryphon of John, it says, and look at this.
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This sounds like an abduction account. These entities manifested to
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women in the images of their husbands, right? It's right
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out of the abduction phenomenon. We would call them incubi.
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But again, that's just the way they did it. That's
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not who they are. It's the way they're doing this. Anyways,
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they manifested in the image of the husbands when the
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husbands were gone. You see this narrative even through the
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creation story when Adam was missing and then an entity
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manifested to Eve. So it's a common thematic element to
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our history anyways. They manifested these women in the image
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of the husbands. They conditioned them in the intercourse. At
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the moment of conception, again, what are they wanting? They're
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wanting a body that looks like the Raph Rishni. Right?
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You don't want trains in your possession. I'm done possessing
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your head now. I don't want to do that anymore.
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I want me. I want me. And so what they
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did is during the act of intercourse, at the moment
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of conception, I'll leave that to your imagination, they inseminated
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these women the seed, and then they stare directly into
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their eyes, another common motif in the abduction phenomenon. While
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they're staring into their eyes, they reverse their apparition. What
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I told you, I want a body that looks like me.
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They reverse their apparition of what they really look like.
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Whoever their personhood was, that's who they manifested to the
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women as the after they groomed them, after they conditioned them,
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during the insemination, now I am who I really am.
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It's my apparition looking you in the eye. Now, the
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reason they did that is because that's what's called an
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abstracted tradition. The belief was whatever man, the image of
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the man, the woman was focused upon at the moment
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of conception, she would birth the material image of, right,
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through her womb as a child. So what we have
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now is their evolution, their mutation, right? Now we have
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the entities that have bodies that look like their apparitions. Brilliant.
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These entities are very intelligent.
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Wow, that's interesting. What about soul hunters? What would you
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describe these as?
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The soul hunters is what we're dealing with in UFO
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abduction phenomena. We've been dealing with this at least... since
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Ezekiel chapter 13 was written. So we're talking thousands of
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thousands of years. What happened, and again, this is why
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studying demonology is important. In demonology, especially in the Old Testament,
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we have what are called the snare of the fowlers,
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the snares of the fowler. Now, to us, the westernized mind,
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we wouldn't understand what that meant. First of all, you're
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trapping birds, right? It makes no sense at all. But
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what you have to look at is the symbolism. The
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bird they're talking about that's being trapped, being summoned and
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plucked out of people was the Egyptian Ba'a soul. It's
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a little spirit in the Phoenician texts. They believe that
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at the moment of death, the consciousness, the living persona, memory,
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consciousness of that individual would leave the body. We would
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call it an orb and they called him Ba'a. It
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would leave the body and float away like a bird, right?
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And I do believe in orbs. I don't believe they're
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all dust particles. I've seen dust particles before, but there's
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evidence of actual orbs existing. But that's what they believe.
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And so what was happening in that period of history
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is we would have people sleeping. And that portion, it
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sounds like the abduction, guys. I mean, it's right there
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in front of us. That portion of their existence, the bird,
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the orb, would be pulled out of their body. And
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so what these people began to do is they would
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create an original form of dream catchers. They would put
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amulets around their chest, around their faces, so that when
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the soul hunter, you see the symbology here, the soul,
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the bird hunter, the orb hunter, when the soul hunter
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would arrive, in many cases, he would stare at them
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eye to eye, just like they did in Genesis 6.
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And so we had, as we had people that were
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creating second selves, it would create a face.
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Okay.
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A second face in hopes that when they're sleeping at night,
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the entity would be looking into the wrong eyes. Right.
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And not be able to pull their soul out of
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their body. Now that is, is this good? Is this
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making sense? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Okay. Let's dive deeper. When
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we start to understand that, we see the snare of
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the fowler and we see that this is a very
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real threat to the ancient mind. It wasn't a figment
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of their imagination. You know, it wasn't them demonizing famine.
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You know, I mean, I'm really hungry. It's the demon
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of hunger. No, they were experiencing entities that we're still
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experiencing now. Right. That would walk up in your house
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at nighttime and steal you from yourself while you're sleeping.
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And so what they believe, again, this is very interesting too,
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they would call these entities dream demons. They believe that
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these entities would go into the house at nighttime, and
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if you weren't already asleep, they would induce a sleep
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state in you. And then pull your soul out of
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your body and do things to it. Now, the most alarming,
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and I guess... glaringly obvious reference to these soul hunters
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comes out of Ezekiel chapter 13 Yahweh is at war
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with these entities and he says basically he says I
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have a bone to pick with you and he makes
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a reference a really strange obscure but dark reference he
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says those who hunt the souls of men to make
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them fly now For the modern 21st century, it might
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be hard to put into context until we have people
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like Bob Luca, who had his soul hunted and was
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made to fly. Right? Betty Luca, who was in bed sleeping.
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It's exactly what these entities were doing, right? It's exactly
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what we have in the literature. She's sleeping. Her husband, Bob,
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feels like he should be awake. He wakes up. doesn't
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know what's going on, leans over, looks at his wife
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as they peel her soul out of her body. Soul hunters,
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those who hunt the souls of men to make them fly. Now, again,
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we're dealing with symbolism, the Baal soul, the orb. Betty
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Luca was, again, she's in the abduction account. She sees
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three different corpses on three different tables in that soulish portion,
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that Baal, that bird soul, is hovering one over each
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of them. It's classic. So Yahweh knew of these entities.
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One thing that is very interesting that I need to
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do more research on is he makes a reference to
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what I call the currency of consciousness. And he's talking
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about entities that are necromancers. They're necromancers. He says that
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those who should die, these entities, I told you they're
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replicating to survive. Those who should die are living. Here's how.
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Because those who should live are dying. I would take that.
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And I don't know how much time we have. Maybe
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10 more minutes, five minutes.
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No, you're good.
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30 seconds.
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Okay.
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What I would suggest is that we need to be
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looking at abduction accounts differently. and stop just focusing on
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the nuts and bolts and they're taking semen and Oba
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and all this stuff. There's an aspect of this where
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I do believe these entities are killing people who should
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live so that they themselves can survive. That is the
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currency of consciousness. And I do believe that's why they're
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hatching consciousness and using them as batteries or as a tool,
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a source of energy for their existence. You cannot have
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the body without the soul. And I think they're using
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that approach. to hatch consciousness in the hybrid.
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Let's close on this. This is deep. The audience may
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have to listen to this one twice. What are your
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thoughts on angels? Do you think that they are benevolent
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celestial entities that are created from source that watch over humanity, basically?
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Or are they something different? Are they just messengers?
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Well, it depends. The way our ancestors interpreted their presence
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in the world was if the angel gave them a
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good message, they were good. If they gave them a
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bad message, they were bad. That's basically how it was.
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You know, I grew up in evangelical Christianity, and so
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I was always taught that angels, you know, they're not
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men and women and all that stuff. But, you know,
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when I got back into texts that our authors of
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the Bible read, see, I want to make this point too.
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You want to understand what they're writing. You have to
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understand what they read. And so it wasn't until I
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got into some more ancient texts and started realizing that
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there's a different term for angels. That's malakim, but it's
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a different definition. Malakim could also mean deceased ancestor. Someone
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who has died and they've evolved versus these entities, these
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souls who have died and they mutated. These ancestors died
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and they evolved. They become what's called in Elohim. Now
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we see evidence of that. It's very interesting, guys. Oh, God.
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We see evidence of that when the witch of Endor,
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when Saul was the witch of Endor, And she pulls
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the soul, the nefesh, the ba'ah. Really, it was the
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apparition of Samuel. Samuel comes out of the earth. And
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then this is what she says in Hebrew. She says,
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I see an Elohim coming out of the earth. Why?
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It's quite literally like Gandalf the Great, right, who went
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to Gandalf the White. He evolved. He went a different dimension.
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Now he's not just Samuel. It's Samuel 2.0, somebody you
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really don't want to mess with. So we have all,
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and I'm going to say this to you, we also
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have evidence of them being deceased ancestors, or at least
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people in the Bible believing this. When you have Peter
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in the New Testament, Peter's family thought that he had died,
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that he had been murdered. And yet they see Peter
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knocking on the door. They looked at the people and
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see it's Peter. So then they look at each other
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and said, it must be Peter's angel, right? It looks like,
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at least to me, that they're employing that terminology, not
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as if it's Peter's angel that looks like Peter, but
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it's Peter's apparition, right? Peter died. And now we're looking
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at the angel, the Malachi deceased ancestor version of Peter.
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We see that all throughout the Bible, but many people
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miss it because they want to narrate the framework in
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a very evangelical way. But if you look at it
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from the Middle Eastern mind, that's really what these entities were.
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So I do believe that many of, if not all,
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of these entities that we call angels are deceased ancestors
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who are now working on behalf of Yahweh for our good.
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Man, this is so interesting. Uh, Nathaniel, I want to
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thank you so much for coming on before you head out. Uh,
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you were saying that you've been working on some new stuff,
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researching some stuff. Uh, you got anything that you'd like
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to talk about that you've been working on before you
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head out?
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Just portals. And I think, uh, yeah, I think that, uh,
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many times what we're calling UFOs are actual portals. You
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take your finger and dip it in water and you
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move it there. We're calling it UFOs because we have
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the goldfish effect. really, when they pull us into their ships,
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they're really pulling us to themselves with their dimension, to
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which I do believe that once we're in that dimension,
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they have access to us in ways they don't when
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we're in this four-dimensional reality. That's really where my research
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is going, you know, and how they're splitting people in half,
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why they're doing that and just how they can do that.
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But obviously, I'm a way... way, way off on having
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any kind of, uh, tangible hypothesis. So when I have one,
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you know, I'll come back on.
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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So interesting. Well, Nathaniel, um, let the audience know if
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they want to find out more about you, uh, best
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way they can find your book, social media, all that
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good stuff.
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Yeah, dude, I'm all over social media. I don't have
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a website. I don't know if I need one. I think,
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you know, most people are like, man, you gotta have one. I, uh, Dude,
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I mean, you have a website, social media, Instagram, I
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