FKN Classics Double Feature! Grant Cameron - UFOs | Steven Snider - Psychedelic Werewolves

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show Grant Cameron.
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He is an author, lecturer, and researcher who has been
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involved with ufology since nineteen seventy five after his own
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personal sightings. He has made many trips to the National
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Archives and most of the various presidential archives looking for
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presidential UFO material. He has a collection of every UFO
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document released by presidential libraries and most of his research
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can be found at presidentialufo dot com. Mister Cameron, welcome back.
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How you doing well? Thanks for your interest in thanks,
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I'm glad to be back at I got some new
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stuff so we should have a good show.
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Oh yes, excellent. I've been looking forward to this. It's
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been a while and a lot has changed within the
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global consciousness surrounding the UFO phenomenon, and for me, some
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of the moose profound revelations have come from amazing researchers
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like yourself that look beyond the nuts and bolts understanding
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and take deep dives into the connections between our consciousness
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and what we understand is contact and as well as
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actually connecting UFOs to people's personal experiences, which I believe
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is another key aspect to try and understand here. This
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phenomenon is like a never ending onion that we're trying
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to peel through, and it just gets weirder and more
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difficult to understand the deeper we go. I can't wait
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to get into this. We're also going to get into
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your book UFO Sky Pilots, which has incredible revelations from
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experiencers of not only contact but supposedly piloting UFOs. So
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that's great. It's been a while since you've been on though.
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Just remind the audience a little bit about yourself and
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your work.
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Okay. I had my beginning started in nineteen seventy five.
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I was following a flap of UFO sightings in Carmen, Manitoba, Canada.
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Had no interest in went out only because the local
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TV station had gotten a film of this thing jumping
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off the ground and decided we'd go see whatever he's
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looking at and never expected anything to happen. An hour
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after we were there, ready to go home, this thing
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flew right in front of the car and it was
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not a light in the sky, it was an object
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in down pretty close. I had five close up sort
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of sightings in the year and a half that I
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went and I was gathering everybody's sightings. And at the
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end of all that, the local publisher, after many rejections
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from various publishers in Toronto, Canada, said to me, mister Cameron,
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you may believe in this kind of stuff, count me
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among the unbelievers. And I was just totally shocked that
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she had no interest in these sightings that these people
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had had, And so I just had had The second
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night I had been out there, I saw this thing.
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It came right at me and then it made this
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turn and then it flew off into the northeast. And
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years later I thought, you know, why did it fly
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at me? Why didn't it just go from the west
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to northeast? And they came right at me. It was
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like it was intended for me to get involved. It
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came at me and then it made this turn and
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just flew off. And it was flying off. I said, like,
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what's the what's it doing in Carmen. It's like there's
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nothing here, Like what's going on? Like what's this thing?
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And where is it? And I knew I wasn't, you know,
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the smartest guy to figure this thing out. But I
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figured somebody had to know what was going on. So
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I started sort of a lifetime of chasing people who
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I figured had the information that they might leak out
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or they might talk about it. And it didn't matter
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whether I believed their political views or what they thought
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about UFOs or whatever. I just knew that they were
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in a position to know. And I listened very carefully,
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and that included to all the presidents. I chase. I
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chased around all the presidents, went to the president's archives.
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I figured, this is the most powerful guy in the world.
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He's got to know what's going on. I checked what
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the Canadian government was doing, and then in twenty twelve,
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I have the download experience. It changes everything, and it
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basically says you know, not not directly, but you know
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that you that question you asked nineteen seventy five, what's
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going on here? And it basically put three pieces of
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the puzzle all together in my head at the same
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time that I had already knew I knew these things.
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They just put the pieces together and I went, Oh,
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that's it, and it was like consciousness. But I really
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didn't know. As I make a joke at that time,
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I couldn't have spelled consciousness and couldn't have cared less.
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I really didn't know what they meant by consciousness except
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that it had to do some of the esp and
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so I started to search and then I realized it
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was this higher aspect of consciousness, the you know, sort
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of what is consciousness, non local consciousness, all this kind
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of stuff. And I started this pursuit of changing my view,
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and a lot of people knew fole community sort of
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cut me off. They just sort of said, Cameron's lost
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his mind. He's on this consciousness thing, and now it's
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a big buzzword. You know, everybody's come to Jesus and
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they're all, you know, talking about consciousness, even though they
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don't a lot of them don't understand what they're talking about.
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And so I started this pursuit and then I had
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the other thing to fill it in. I had this
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experience in two thousand seventeen, was another sort of download
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experience where I was walking. There's different modalities. I wrote
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a book called contact Modalities. There's different modalities that people
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use to get into what I call is the field.
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All the information is in the field, and you can
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use meditation, you can use hypnosis, you can use psychedelics,
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you can use injury, you know, near death experience, and
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all these different things will put you in the field
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where suddenly you've got this information, you got this revelation,
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and you can, if you're lucky, you can bring it
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back to your regular world. And I had one, and
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it basically started to give me these things, Is it this?
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Or is this? And it was basically saying, not only
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is what you've got wrong, it's exactly the opposite of
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what you think it is. So it basically said, if
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the world is made out of little nuts and bolts,
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that's one world with certain rules and regulations. But the
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world's made out of consciousness, that's a completely different world,
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and all the rules are going to change. Is it
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one life? If it's one lifeful, then that's one world.
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But if it's multiple lives, everything is going to change.
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And it was this thing, and it was like this
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and this, and I knew it was important. And that's
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the thing about I tried to get across. Anybody who
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hasn't had one of these sort of revelatory experiences won't
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understand the fact that that people will describe I knew.
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I knew this was right, and so I knew this
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was this was actually I didn't have to check this.
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I got this piece of paper, it was cold out,
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took my glove off, and I'm writing this stuff down.
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And then it's sort of after about fourteen or fifteen
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of these things, it sort of tailed off and I
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sort of kept walking, and then about maybe two minutes
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later it started again, and I just got the pan
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out and started writing this stuff down again. And I
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haven't done that book, but there was about twenty four
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things that it sort of gave me. But it was
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this sort of idea that and they I did a
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book on psychedelics. I did twenty five high dose Sessions
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with psychedelics, and in there all the main focus for
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me was ego. They were coming after me for the ego.
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They said, you think you know what's going on, you
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haven't got a clue what's going on. And it was this,
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and it just hammering and hammering, and then I remember
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the one time I was really I was really upset,
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kept hammering me on this ego thing. And then I
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said to them, Okay, so I just want to know
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what's going on, Like, so what the hell's going on?
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And then this voice says to me, we don't know either.
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I went, what, you don't know? What? That was just serious,
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and I guess it was sort of I was talking
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to a level just above me, and it's sort of
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like you know what's at your level and below you,
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but you don't know what's above you. And that's what
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happens with the UFO experience. I've found is that the
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deeper you get into it, the more weird it gets.
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The more as Jacques Vlace is, the more absurd it gets,
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and it starts not to make any sense, and then
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you start getting stuff like this latest book UFO Skypilots,
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where people describe, oh, I touched this pad, I became
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one with the craft. The craft is alive, and suddenly
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I could see in three hundred and sixty degrees. I
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could see everywhere all around me, up, down and around,
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and I thought that that is just bizarre. I mean,
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how do you figure that? Or people that would describe
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that they went inside the craft and it was a
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normal sized craft. To win inside the craft, it was
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the size of a football stadium inside and a lot
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of people describe this, and in fact, there's even a
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case I've just come across from Lynn Stringfield, who I
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knew at the time. He was the guy he was
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sort of famous for being the guy who they were
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leaking all the material on alien autopsies and crashes and
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all this kind of stuff. And he had two hundred
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to three hundred people come to him about leaking stories
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about alien autopsies and crashes and recoveries and all this
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kind of stuff. And I'm going like, I've never had
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anybody come to me, not one. He had three hundred,
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so that say it says that they're feeding him. But
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he had a case nineteen seventy three. He wrote it up.
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There was a guy I was a photographer out of Hawaii,
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was flown to Norton Air Force Base in California and
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then was driven in a car two hours came to
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this hangar and inside the hangar there was a crane
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that had a netting hanging from the crane, and inside
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the netting was this thirty foot wide flying saucer and
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there was the sort of the opening. There was sort
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of an opening a door there and his job was
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to film the panels. So people will describe these these
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symbols on the panels. And in the book Skypilots, I
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actually have Chris Bletso he sees the panels, I say,
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can you draw the panels? So he draws the panels,
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one of the panels for me with these symbols on them.
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symbols on these on these panels. And he said he
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walked in, and he said, when he walked in this
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thirty foot wide craft, he said, I could have taken
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a football and thrown it as hard as I could
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in any direction. I wouldn't hit a wall. It was
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that big on the inside. And then you start getting
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these stories where people say they can make the craft
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as big as they want inside, and they have they
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have crafts that are as big as the Solar system.
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But these crafts may only appear to be thirty feet
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across inside they can make it as big as they want.
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And you get this kind of stuff and you start
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going like, wow, this is just unbelievable that that that
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this is going on and just gets weirder and weirder
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should go along, almost like the I also study a
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lot of the quantum physics guys and the sort of
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reality I'm sort of looking at what is reality rather
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than what is UFO's Now, how does reality actually work?
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And David Bohm at one point talked about he was
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a big physicist, uh, you know, involved with the atomic
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bomb and all this kind of stuff. And he said,
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he says, you know this quantum physics stuff. He says,
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you know, when you guys, when we figured this whole
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thing out and get it all all solved, he said,
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there's just another level below that. And and that's the
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kind of thing where you start going like, maybe that's true.
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It's just it just you know, it's like peeling an
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onion as you described, it gets it gets weirder and
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weirder and bigger. And my sort of end result, and
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I'll leave it at this, My end result on what
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I think reality is is that God did not create
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the heavens in the earth. God created the sparks of
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the divine, and we are creating the heavens and the
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earth because consciousness is primary. Consciousness is primary, so we're
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the ones that are creating it. And what we do
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is we have eyes, ears, we have senses that bring
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in all this stuff from the from the from the
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sort of the quantum soup around us, and it comes
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into us, and then we we we do something or
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we say something, and the world gets smarter and it
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gets bigger, and all we're doing is adding. It's like
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a movie, and now we're going to do our part
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of the movie, and somebody's watching the movie, and the
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movie gets more elaborate, and more characters come in and
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more things happen, and we're just creating this thing. And
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so we come into the world, you know, to do
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as I say. I mean, you could just come in
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to have fun or whatever, but to me, a lot
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of it is you come in to make the world
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a better place, a more elaborate place than it was
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when you arrived.
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Yes, man, I love that, and I can't wait to
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get into some of those deeper consciousness aspects. First, I'd
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like to get your thoughts on this. You're you're in Canada.
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How has the reaction been, first of all, amongst the
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people of Canada since you know, since all the revelations
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coming out of the US government and the Pentagon and
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all these sudden interest in ufology from these mainstream sources.
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How is the people reacting and how is the government
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of reacting? Is it different than here? In the United
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States that you've noticed what's going on there?
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that if you were to take a poll, and I've
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always tried to find these polls online, of the hundred
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most important issues to people, what's the UFOs, wouldn't you
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make the top hundred. People just aren't interested. They just
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don't know. And that's what I think one of the
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things we've got to realize. So I'm now doing some
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stuff where I'm trying to use hashtags that get me
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outside the little circle of UFOs and get me talking
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to other people about other stuff, and then you drop
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the UFO stuff. So we're in this little group where,
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you know, it's maybe less than one percent. We think
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it's the greatest story in the world, and it is
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the greatest story in the world. But everybody else is
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taking the kids to soccer practice and they're watching football
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games and hockey games stuff like that. So in Canada,
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they really if you talk to people on the street,
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they're aware of it, they're sort of, but they're really
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not interested there. They're even my family, my son, you know,
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I make sure that I get all my files to
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make sure that when I die, that they go someplace
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where they get preserved, because my son is no interest.
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the thing. Oh you know, my first wife said she
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thought it was demonic. And as I went, WHOA, where
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we're going from here? You know, like how do we
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how do we solve this problem? And and that's the thing.
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And but the government is the interesting thing because at
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one point there's a there's a guy, his name is
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Larry McGuire. He's a member of parliament here in Manitoba,
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and we discovered that he was interested in the UFO phenomena.
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They asked for some some stuff from me from his
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his the member of Parliament's aid, the guy that works
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for him. I sent them all the former files from
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the Canadan government in the nineteen fifties or wilber Smith
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and all this kind of stuff. We had some correspondence
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back and forth, and then I decided I heard that
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there was other members of parliament who hadn't come forward
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yet who are interested in the subject. And so what
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I said is, well I can I maybe I can
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do this thing. Because McGuire had been briefed by Lou
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Alzando on the phone, not really a briefing. Alazondo had
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gotten on the phone and he had told this member
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of Parliament, they're just asking questions. There's two members of
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Parliament and they're asking him questions and Lou Alzando's answer
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answering questions. So I said what I would do is
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I would put a panel together and I would get
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four experts from the UFO world who could do the
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same thing, except this time, we're going to do it live.
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We're going to do it on YouTube. We're going to
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multi stream this thing. We're get twelve people to multi
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stream it all at the same time. And so I
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got luel Azando, I got Chris Mellon, I got Abby
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Loebe and Gary Nolan. We're all going to be on
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this panel and it's just going to be the same
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thing they'd done before, except it was going to be public.
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So I went to the Member of Parliament's aid and
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he said, oh, that's exactly what we're thinking of doing.
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And I went Holy cow. So I said, okay, I
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can get these guys. So then I went to these
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guys and I said, well, can you do this panel,
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and they all said, yeah, yeah, sure, we'll do this
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panel or whatever. And I said, we're going to multi
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stream this thing and we're make a big deal out
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of this thing, and the public would go these all
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these guys. And at that point then I suddenly discovered
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that there was ten members of Parliament who were interested
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that McGuire was actually briefing these people behind the scenes.
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And the way it works in the Canadian government is
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is if you want something done by the government, what
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you do is you stand in the House of Commons.
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So it's like a parliamentary system. So they take question periods,
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so you can stand in the and the Prime Minister
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is there and you can say to the Prime Minister,
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what about UFOs? What are you doing about UFOs? And
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you can do this publicly and he has to give
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you an answer. And that's what I wanted McGuire to do.
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But he would never go into the House of Commons
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and make this public, you know display, And but he
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was briefing these guys, these ten guys, behind the scenes,
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and you know, what was going on in the United
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States and what does this all mean? And the films
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and the all this kind of stuff, and so they
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were gonna set it up, and so there's gonna be
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these ten guys and they're just gonna ask questions. There's
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gonna be nothing. And so then suddenly then they said, oh,
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they didn't like the moderator. The Americans like the on
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the panel.
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Sean Cahill has brought in, who works with lou Alazana,
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and he said, we don't like the moderator. And so
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then I've you know, we we didn't move the moderator.
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They showed up at the second meeting, and so I figured, oh,
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they're they're cool with the moderator now, and they weren't. Uh.
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It was Kurt Jamongo was going to be the moderator,
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and they were they were not cool with him. They
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didn't want him on being a moderator. And I just
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wanted like a thing where the guy's gonna say, Okay,
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this question, next question, and next question, because that's the
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way it works in the House of Commons, you know,
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asked the question that Neska asked the question. And then
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they had they had sort of agreed to the meeting,
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and then Chris Mellon was there and we were trying
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to explain to the Americans that the Canadan system doesn't
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work the same. We don't have the three branches of government.
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and we have all the House of House of Commons,
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and if you have enough members of the House of Commons,
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then you get to say who's going to be the
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Prime minister and everything is controlled. So like where you
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have like what's going on with the disclosure movement there,
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you have the Senate in the House and they have
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these committees like the Armed Services Committee and the Intelligence Committee,
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and they have power. They have power to u do
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investigations and all this stuff and forced the government to
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put out some money for a panel and all this
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kind of stuff, whereas in Canada the parliamentary committees don't
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have any power at all. They don't have any power
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to spend money or anything. And we kept trying to
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explain this to them, this is not how it works,
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and they said, well, you got to get you get
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the military witnesses, and then you get the military witnesses
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to say, oh, they had a they had an engagement
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with the UFO and they're inside Canadian airspace and it
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was what I call the whole threat narrative. It was
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sort of like all Canada is being attacked by these
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UFOs or potentially being a threat for the national security,
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and then the national security uh uh committees uh for
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forces the government to do something. I said, they can't
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do that, that's not how it works there, and we
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couldn't get it across to them, and then we would
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The way the Canadians wanted to do it was that
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they were they wanted us to provide cover. So this
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open thing where these were these members of parliament and
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all the Canadian people would go, Holy cow, I didn't
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believe this guy was into UFOs and this guy's int
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the UFOs and this guy and it was from all
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three parties. It wasn't just one party, it was all
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three parties. We're going to participate. And so we were
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they were doing this whole threat narrative, and we said
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the Canadians, I was, I don't want to talk on
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behalf of the Canadians. But basically the Canaians were saying, no,
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we don't want to do this. We want to do
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a scientific investigation. And the Canadian Prime Minister has a
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a woman who's a science advisor. She's got an official position.
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She's sort of brought in as a science advisor to
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the Prime Minister. So she wanted to do a UFO investigation.
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But our public thing that was going to make this
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big deal about UFOs. All these parlamentary people were interested
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in UFOs and she was going to use that and say, look,
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there's all these parliamentary people are interested. The Prime Minister
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should authorize money to do a UFO study. And she's
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a scientific so we said we want to do a
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scientific investigation. It was at that point that Chris Mellan said,
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that's the poison pill. I'm gone, and the things started
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to fall apart and what they what it basically came
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down to is Sean Kahal had made this statement, we're
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not here to answer questions that you can look up
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on Google, and we don't want to turn this thing
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into a spectacle. And I said and it was like, yeah,
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that's what we do. We do want to we do
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want to turn this thing into a spectacle. And it
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was like uh. And then the thing the idea was like,
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if some parliamentary guy who hasn't doesn't know anything about
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UFOs asked a stupid question, what are you going to
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tell them, shut up. I'm not going to answer your
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question because it's a stupid question. Of course, people who
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don't know anyth about UFOs are going to ask answer
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stupid questions. So the whole thing fell apart and they
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walked away. Uh Alizondo was still ready to go. He
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wanted to come to the next meeting, but it was
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Cahill and Melon and they just basically shut it down.
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It was sort of like, we're not allowed to tell
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you what to do. But the attitude we got was,
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you know, you're not you're not allowed legally to tell
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us what to do, but you're not going to do uh,
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you're not going to help us until we do what
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we're told. And that's what it was. And it all
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sort of broke down. So now McGuire has become public
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and has made this request to the government, not in
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the House of Commons, and a newspaper reporter has picked
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up on this and done a major article. So we're
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going to do some some panels and we're gonna bring
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on this newspaper guy, and that's where we're going. But
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the Canadian thing, everybody's into hockey here, everybody's into you know,
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the price of goods and stuff like that, and and
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UFOs it's it's second interesting and and that basically is
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one of the problems we've got in the UFO community
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is I don't know if you've got all my books,
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but in the in the early days, I wrote a
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book called UFOs m J twelve and Government Informants or
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Area fifty one and Government Informants. And in that one
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we dealt with a guy but named doctor Eric Walker,
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who was the former president of Penn State University. He
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was chairman of the board of the Institute for Defense
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Analysis where DARPA came from. That's he was on the
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board when they formed DARPA, they formed the Jason's all this,
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you know, high military think tank stuff. He had fourteen
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honorary doctor degrees. He was a co developer of the
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Homing torpedo. Very very powerful guy, and he knew exactly
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what was going on, and we were pressuring him with
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a bunch of researcher and I was sort of just
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I wasn't doing the interviews, but I was just sort of, uh,
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you know, direct directing people who's gonna ask him question next?
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And they were all sending the letters and at one
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point he said, Hey, you'd admit it, it's just curiosity.
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What do you want to know about UFOs? But what's
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the deal you just wanted? You're just curious? Admit it,
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You're just curious. And he said, why should we change
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the rules to satisfy your curiosity? And then he said
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something very important. He said, hey, so when you get
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the answer, what are you going to do with it?
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And now I ask those same questions to people who are,
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you know, doing podcasts and stuff, because the answers are
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very important, and especially in the United States, I say,
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if you get the answer, are you actually going to
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allow reptilians, grays and mantids to emigrate, emigrate to the
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United States of America, to walk down the streets of
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the United States of America to build businesses, to compete
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against American businesses? Are you going to allow that? Absolutely not.
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It's going to be like you know, as our bell
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told me many years ago, we had this sort of argument.
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He said, I'll shoot them as they come off the ship.
477
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And it's sort of like, you know, these more immigrants,
478
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but these immigrants can can run a factory and build
479
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it in two weeks and have don't have to pay
480
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it for energy, and all their people are working for free,
481
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and it's like, what are you gonna do when you
482
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get What are you gonna do when you when you
483
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get the answer? And Walker was basically right. For the
484
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vast majority of people in the UFO committee, it's basically
485
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just curiosity. They just want to know.
486
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I think it's very rightful curiosity. And I think that
487
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the of course that our government and military and dark
488
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factions know a lot more than they would ever be
489
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letting on. I mean we've gone through you know, CIA
490
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and three letter agency programs looking at things like telekinesis,
491
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psychic phenomena, remote viewing for a very long time. So
492
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I mean, if we've been looking into things like that,
493
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and we've known about UFOs for a while, they obviously
494
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know a lot more than they will ever let on.
495
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And right now, like you said, it's being painted as
496
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a threat factor, and I think that's basically so we
497
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can weaponize aspects of this so that we are the
498
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dominant ones and space and everything else, and that we
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have basically ultimate control over all this technology.
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Right Yeah, And Jim Semi Van, if you've listened to
501
00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:04.839
some of the interviews Jim Semi Van has done in
502
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the last couple of months. He's about the most open guy.
503
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.240
I think he's the best guy to listen to, and
504
00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.960
he basically talks about this. He said, the committee that's
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now been formed, and he deals with him. He interacts
506
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with this committee that's been formed. He said, they have
507
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the only interest they have is national security. And the
508
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reason they're going to this all this stuff's going to
509
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be classified. Like I sort of make a joke with people.
510
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I say, okay, so in the first report when you
511
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got from this new committee, what did they say, Oh,
512
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we have one hundred and forty four UFO sightings and
513
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.759
one we identified. And then everybody goes, well, what did
514
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it look like? Well, we can't tell you. It's class fight.
515
00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:40.599
The shape is class fight. Well what's where's the reports? Oh,
516
00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:42.720
we can't tell it's class fight. And all this stuff
517
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is being sucked into this black hole of behind the
518
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scenes where they're using it for weapons. So I says,
519
00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:54.480
it's the national insecurity, the national insecurity budget and everything
520
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is a threat. Like you'll hear Lou Alzando talk about,
521
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Oh the footprints, it could be my potential footprints. What
522
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have you got the footprints walking through your room. Well,
523
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.559
what if it's mill Aps, what if it's Luela's on
524
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.000
those footprints? I mean, I mean, it could be anything.
525
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.759
And that's true that that in a military world, everything
526
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.759
is a threat and if it isn't a threat, you
527
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:12.680
lose your job because that's that's what you're there for.
528
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.200
You're here. And it's like, what does every one star
529
00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.319
general want? He wants to be a two star general,
530
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that's what he thinks about being to and he wants
531
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.440
more people under him. He wants more, and so it
532
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.759
just builds. That's why Eisenhower warned, beware the military industrial
533
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congressional complex. They took the word congressional out of the speech,
534
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but congressional complex with is once you get in the
535
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.599
loop where you got money from Congress and it's going
536
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into the black budget and and they're playing this threat narrative,
537
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:41.319
then you get this this situation where you can't stop it,
538
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where I give the example of the F thirty five
539
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jet fighter that the Canadians are supposed to be buying,
540
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and I say, why would the Canadians want a jet fighter?
541
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Strike strike fighter? I mean, it's a strike fighter. It's
542
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:53.880
not a new defense. It's just going to be playing
543
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a role of dropping bombs on whoever the Americans had
544
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to drop the bombs on, and the the F thirty
545
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five is made in forty forty six different states, I believe.
546
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So why is it made in forty six different states?
547
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.039
Because if there's a massive overrun, no senator is going
548
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to hoote against it because he's got jobs. He's got
549
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.519
his hand in the cookie jar as well, he's getting
550
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.039
money from it. So you wrap people into this whole thing.
551
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.720
Everybody gets down the rabbit hole, and the way they
552
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.160
see it, like the way Jim Semivan describes it, is
553
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the way I've described it over the years, and that
554
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.160
is that if you are the guys that have this
555
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secret and you haven't figured it out, which is what
556
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.519
a lot of people don't really realize they have, haven't
557
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.000
got a clue what's going on. Is in the Wilson
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Leak document. I think you're familiar. I don't know if you
559
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.279
your panel, your people are familiar with that. But at
560
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the end of the Wilson Leak document it says we
561
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have a craft and we think it'll fly. Now that
562
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.519
means clearly to me, we have a craft and we
563
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.039
can't fly it. Now, why can they not fly this
564
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.519
intact craft. They can't because it needs a consciousness interface.
565
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You have to put your hand on a panel. You
566
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have to have the right consciousness to start this thing up.
567
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It's like putting your fingerprint on your cell phone to
568
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.119
get your finger your your cell phone to open. It's
569
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that same sort of thing. You got the crap that
570
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you can So, as Eric Davis said, they had this
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technology eighteen nineteen eighty nine, they put it on the
572
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shelf because they coudn't figure it out. It was called
573
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the Core story. Jack Vallet, Kit Green and the Hell
574
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Put Off got together in Danny's restaurant, and they've confirmed
575
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to me that the story is true. They went there
576
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and they had this story and they said, well, you know,
577
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we can't figure what's going on, like it's it's a
578
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.920
big mystery, and what do we know for sure? And
579
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these three top guys came to the conclusion, we are
580
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being interacted by some sort of intelligence number two, we
581
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have hardware number three. We can't figure it out. We're
582
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doing very poorly at the back engine or anything. So
583
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that's what people got to remember is that because it
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has this consciousness thing, they can't figure it out. They
585
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.039
know because Tom DeLong talked about it. When Tom DeLong
586
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was in the skiff. He was in the Lockheed skiff.
587
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He told the story, I think, to George Knapp in
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twenty sixteen, just before his book came out, just after
589
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his book came out, and he said he was there
590
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and he was telling this story about he was in
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the room with this guy and the head scientist and
592
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.440
they were challenging he had a crazy conspiracy website, which
593
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I think is part of the reason they took him.
594
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:09.759
He's just like it was a kind of national acquire
595
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.359
Times ten and on his website, and they were saying
596
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.880
to well, what's this, what's this website? You got, what's
597
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.200
this conspiracy stuff? I mean, if you're serious about this,
598
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.319
what are you putting this? You know, what are you
599
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.119
putting any And he's starting to explain it, and that's
600
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.279
when Robert Weiss came out and he said, oh, he said,
601
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.519
I was just explaining. Good thing, you saved me. And
602
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.519
so he never really did explain, but he said that
603
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the head scientists would say to him, so, how did
604
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.359
they get here? So I want to how does it work?
605
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:32.920
How did they get here? And he had been hanging
606
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.039
around with Stephen Geer. He broke off with Stephen Geer
607
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:36.920
and went on his own, but at that time he's
608
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.880
hanging around with Stephen Geer. So he said, well, I
609
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.319
think consciousness has evolved, and he said when the head
610
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.720
scientists heard that, the head scientists at Lockeed said, now
611
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.200
you're talking, and he said, it's all the guy wanted
612
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.559
to talk about for forty five minutes. So they know
613
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.680
that consciousness is involved, but they can't they can't they
614
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:53.960
can't turn it on, which is the whole idea why
615
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.640
they're following people around like Chris Bletsoe. There was a
616
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.319
Ron Pandelphia. I don't know if you know the CIA.
617
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.519
He had made this statement because we cannot control the phenomena.
618
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.720
We watch those that the phenomena is interacting with and
619
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.519
that's how you got to do it. That's what I say.
620
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.400
But what Jimmy Semiban says is that this new panel
621
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has no interest in that. They are not going down
622
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that road. All they're interested in his national security, which
623
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.440
means that they're going to build it and they're not
624
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.119
going to give up any peace because there's lots of
625
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.400
bad people in the world. There's you know, the North
626
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.559
Korean guy, and there's the Chinese guy, and then there's
627
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.359
the guy in Russia. And any little piece that can
628
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.599
be prioritized and they're gonna grab it and they're going
629
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.279
to use it against us. So we keep it secret
630
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.880
until you have like a second generation. So they talk
631
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.039
about like the Google maps. Google Maps was always a
632
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.079
military thing, but once they got into the second generation,
633
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.920
then Clinton declassified it and put it into the public.
634
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.480
So until they get it all solved, they say that
635
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.400
they are not going to because the Russians are working on,
636
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.240
the Chinese are working on, and you have this military attitude,
637
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.799
which is the way they think is that everybody's out
638
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.359
to get us. Everybody's try to steal our stuff, you know,
639
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.319
and we can't help them. We've got to keep it
640
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.839
all secret. We've got to keep a class fight. That's
641
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:06.400
the only we're going to keep it away from the Russians.
642
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.480
And that's why the big secrecy where they're trying to
643
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.799
they're trying to get out the non classified aspects, but
644
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.319
the actual how it works is still going to be classified.
645
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.720
That's what he said. Don't expect anything from this panel.
646
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:24.319
They are not going to do a philosophical discussion about
647
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.160
where the aliens are from. They don't care and I
648
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.480
said that long time ago. They do not care where
649
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.160
the beings are from, why they're here, what the message is.
650
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.519
All they care about is how does this damn thing work?
651
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.759
Or the Skinwalker Ranch. If you take a look at
652
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.400
the events that took place with with the as app,
653
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.680
most people think the ass app was a UFO program.
654
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.720
It wasn't. It was a program where the head guy
655
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.279
went to Skinwalker Ranch and he had this thing appear
656
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.680
above Bigelow's head, behind Bigelow's head, this metal thing, and
657
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.720
he's looking and then he looked sideways and he looked
658
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.880
back because he thought maybe he was hallucinating, and the
659
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.720
thing was still there. And he's the DEIA guy that
660
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.319
authorized the program, and that's what they wanted. They want
661
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.920
to how do you make stuff appear like that? How
662
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.039
do you mutilate a cow when somebody's standing like ten
663
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.400
feet away and doesn't even know it happened. How do
664
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.400
you put bulls in the trailer? Which is probably the
665
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.720
biggest thing they did is the guy's bulls disappeared and
666
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.559
he went out and he's, my bulls are gone, like,
667
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.440
what the heck? These real high price, you know, expensive bulls.
668
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.079
And then he looks over this trailer and he went,
669
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:22.920
I wonder if they put him in the trailer. And
670
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.759
then the trailer had a lock on. He takes a
671
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.079
lock off, opens it up, and these things are stuffed
672
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.559
in there like sardines, and they they as soon as
673
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319
opened the door, they panicked and destroyed the the the
674
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the trailer. And that's the kind of stuff they want.
675
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.839
How do you put or the Special Forces guys that
676
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.960
had the orbs follow them home and what happened there.
677
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.480
And the part of the story they leave out of
678
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.119
the Skinwalker book was that when they were walking down
679
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.960
that road they heard a voice in their head. All
680
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.240
three guys said leave. You are not welcomed. And then
681
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.680
they got totally they were They were so scared they
682
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.079
won't even go back. And and that's this reflective aspect.
683
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.000
They were armed, they were hunting the Skinwalker, and they
684
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.200
and the Skinwalker. It's reflective. So it says, oh, you
685
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.440
want to play Hunt the Skinwalker, Oh we can. We
686
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.160
love to play that game, and let's let's play the game,
687
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.119
you know, and they play the game, and so it's
688
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.799
reflective and that's what Georgia Knapp said. Those that were
689
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.200
the most aggressive to the phenomena had the worst experiences.
690
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.799
And Brandon Fugel, who now owns Skinwalker Ranch, warns people
691
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.680
this has a reflective nature to it, so do not like,
692
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.240
do not come on if you've got to be in
693
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.640
a bad mood. And he prays as they come in,
694
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.880
when they come in the helicopter, he prays, and he
695
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.359
realizes that it has this reflective quality. Even Yeah, I
696
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.279
even had another example, and I'll leave it at this,
697
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.079
and you can ask the next question I had. I
698
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.319
had a lot of people I'm doing a thing on people.
699
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.279
Oh they get injured. So I'm doing a thing at
700
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.880
the MUFON conference in Cincinnati. I'm good versus evil, and
701
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.279
I'm gonna deal with this this thing. So one of
702
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.359
the things was someone said to me, oh, these people
703
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.319
got injured in Georgia, and I said, well, you know
704
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.720
what happened. They went inside this portal. This portal opened,
705
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.640
They walked inside this portal and I said, oh, were
706
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:58.960
they armed? And they said, oh yeah, we're all armed
707
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.079
and they and I said, well, why why are you
708
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.279
taking guns to a CE five? And they said, well,
709
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.279
because there's ryleal snakes, and there's this, and there's there's
710
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.119
different animals that could be there or whatever, and in
711
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.480
this they're out in the wilderness or whatever. And so
712
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.200
I said, well, were these guys armed when they went
713
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.119
inside the portal? And they said, oh yeah, they're special
714
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:17.640
forces guys. I said, thank you, almost like the rendala
715
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.200
from forest thing. I always said. Then the rendulation Forest thing.
716
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.799
I said, why did John Burrows get injured? And the
717
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.799
other two guys that were standing right beside him didn't
718
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.400
get injured. If this is a thing of radiation, they
719
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.160
all should have got injured the same as John Burrows.
720
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.039
John Burrows is the only guy to get injured. And
721
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.640
then when you hear the story that was told by Cabanzac,
722
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.279
who was the guy beside John standing behind him, he
723
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.000
said that when this thing flared up, Peniston yelled open fire.
724
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.319
John pulled his gun. The other two hit the ground,
725
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.079
and he said and Penniston and Cabanzac said, at that
726
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.279
moment John got hit at this beam of light. So
727
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:51.359
it's the whole idea is I always say, don't take up,
728
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:53.960
don't take a gun to a CE five. This thing
729
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.640
has a very reflective nature. Or even like Michael Talbot
730
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.240
who wrote the book the the Holographic Universe. He was
731
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.559
an experiencer, but he wrote this very famous book called
732
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.359
The Horror Holographic Universe, and he said that as a child,
733
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.759
as a lot of experiencers have, he had the Poltergeist experience.
734
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.559
And he said, when he was in a good mood,
735
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.279
the poultericgeist would hang would hang his socks off the plants.
736
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.119
When he was in a bad mood, he would wake
737
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.519
up in the morning with cuts and needle marks in
738
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:19.920
his arm.
739
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.559
I definitely want to get into the aspects of a
740
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.799
lot of what we consider as paranormal activity has profound
741
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.559
connections to this phenomenon, believe, but I want to get
742
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.000
into your book a bit ufo sky Pilots. Now, when
743
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:39.160
writing this, were you surprised at how many people had
744
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.799
actually had these experiences of being able to navigate and
745
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.720
pilot a ufo?
746
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.960
I was absolutely shocked to my core that anybody would
747
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.640
say this. It's like Vallet says, this is absolutely absurd.
748
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.440
I remember we see what happened was I had to
749
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.119
download in twenty twelve and I was in I went
750
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.359
to Phoenix to lecture for the big group there, and
751
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.799
Stacy Wright, who runs the group, said to me, or
752
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.000
you're still going to talk to Pam Dupuy And I
753
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.159
had no idea. Why what's the deal was? And I said, yeah,
754
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:13.760
I goes so and she said, oh, it's good, She's
755
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.559
coming to my house on Monday. You could meet with her.
756
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.400
And so I'm at the house. Pam duke Pwee comes
757
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.480
with her partner and she says, what did Stacy tell
758
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.119
you about me? I said, I don't know. I'm just
759
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.880
supposed to talk to you. And she comes in and
760
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.960
as you said, there's all this all this other stuff
761
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.400
is involved. So she's a remote viewer and she was
762
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.360
abducted when she's three years old. She was standing in
763
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.199
the in the middle of the field of their diaper
764
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.079
and the UFO is flying away and she's got all
765
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.559
these abilities. She's remoteing for the government and stuff and
766
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:40.880
all this psychic stuff. And I'm going, yeah, whatever, you know,
767
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:42.719
you listen to You've heard it before. And she's telling
768
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.320
the story whatever, and then she says to me, she says, oh,
769
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.679
and last night was flying the craft and I was
770
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.599
I never I mean, it was like thirty nine years.
771
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.760
I'd never heard such a thing about life. I couldn't.
772
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.239
I was gonna throw at the house. I could not
773
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.280
believe it. It was like, okay, that's it, you know,
774
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.440
like that's and I said, come on, let you fly
775
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.760
the craft and she said yeah. And I said, because
776
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.920
all I could think in my head was Saudi Arabian women.
777
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.280
Saudi Arabian women. At that point, we're not allowed to
778
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.239
drive a car unless there was a mail on the car.
779
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.280
And I'm going and let you fly the craft and
780
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.480
she said yeah, I've flown three different models. And then
781
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.679
it just getting crazier and crazier as it go along.
782
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:20.679
And I said three models. I said, well, how do
783
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.400
you fly craft? And she said, oh, you do it
784
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.639
with your mind. And suddenly it's like, oh, that's why,
785
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.880
that's why they wanted me to talk to this woman.
786
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.079
And I went, you do she said, oh yeah. So
787
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.039
she at one point I've actually got up my podcast.
788
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.800
We had an interview she did. She was actually she
789
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.320
was in hospice. She was dying of lung cancer at
790
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.320
the time, and so she talked to us in hospice
791
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.280
and she told the whole story. I made her go
792
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.840
through the whole story about where she'd flown, how she
793
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.800
learned to fly the craft, and she was talking about
794
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.920
this whole thing, and it's this whole I'll give you
795
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.639
the sort of the cliff notes of the thing and
796
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.840
basically what it is, and everybody's almost the same sort
797
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.159
of thing. Every tells the same story. It's almost like
798
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.679
you're reading off a cue card. And there was a
799
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.840
couple of variations. But so it'll be like they go
800
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.800
on the craft, or they find themselves on the craft.
801
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.840
They don't see any abduction thing. They're on a craft
802
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.000
and they're standing in the middle of this craft. And
803
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.360
the important thing that I've learned just yesterday Jim Semivan
804
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.599
said when he was with the beings, he said, I
805
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.119
was standing I remember he said, I was standing beside
806
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.519
my wife and I had this very very strong feeling
807
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.360
of some sort of guardian thing going on behind me.
808
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.239
And these people will describe. And it wasn't until Jim
809
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.239
Semivan detailed that I started to realize he may have
810
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.199
explained to me how what this was about. Because the
811
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.719
people on the craft were saying they were standing there
812
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.039
and there was somebody behind them, but they didn't know
813
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.599
whether they were humans or whether they were aliens now
814
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.599
I'm saying, or they were spirit guardian angels. Because if
815
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.440
you if you followed Michael Newton, the stories of Michael Newton,
816
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.920
he did the seven thousand regressions that went back for
817
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.440
the life life between lives where he let somebody die.
818
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.800
He did seven thousand and then he'd take them through
819
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.719
and where you're going now, where you're going and just
820
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.679
after you die. According to these seven thousand people, what
821
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.199
you do is you go in front of a panel
822
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.519
between three and twelve people and you basically explain it's
823
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.039
like how do it work out? Because you plan your
824
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:12.920
life and how do your life work out? And stuff
825
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.679
like that, And at that point, your spirit guide is
826
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.000
with you and it's behind you, I think on your
827
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.719
left hand side. So when Jim Semivent said, I had
828
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:26.880
this very strong feeling of this and no he's angelic,
829
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.599
but a guide thing going on behind me, I'm thinking
830
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.760
maybe that's what this is on it's more of a
831
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.760
spiritual thing on the craft. Because this always comes down.
832
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.480
Is this really an abduction? There's an event, but what's
833
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.679
actually going on is out about experience that is a
834
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.079
spiritual event. Is it an abduction with aliens or what
835
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.840
is and this thing with the somebody standing behind them
836
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.400
and they and so they were standing there and I'll
837
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.480
give you the one. The guy was out of the
838
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.840
Orange County group in California and he didn't come to
839
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.039
the lecture. He came after when we were at the
840
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.800
restaurant and they said, David, David, you missed grants lecture.
841
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.280
Tell them tell them your story. And then David comes up.
842
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.440
He says, oh, I think it was a dream. I said, yeah,
843
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.239
a lot of people think it's a dream. I said,
844
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.639
so what was your dream? He said, And then they
845
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.039
said he said I was flying the craft. And I said, okay,
846
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.840
can you tell me? And he said, well, I think
847
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:14.559
it was a dream. I said, well, everything'say's a dream.
848
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.639
And then they said, hey, David, David, tell him what
849
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.760
you are. And then I said, so what do you do?
850
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.280
And he said, I'm a pilot and I said you're
851
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.159
a pilot. Oh, my son's a pilot. I said, my
852
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:24.840
father was a pilot. I said what do you do?
853
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.760
You fly? And he starts telling me and then he says,
854
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.840
F sixteen I goent F sixteens. You flown F sixteens
855
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.360
he said, yeah, US Air Force retired colonel. I said,
856
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.559
sit down and tell me your dream. He sits down,
857
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.760
and he's the same thing. He's on the craft and
858
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.920
he's there's somebody behind him. He doesn't know where this
859
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.000
humans or his beings, and they say, okay, go ahead
860
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.199
and do it. And he's standing there and then he says,
861
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.199
I don't know what to do. And a lot of
862
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.480
people describe the same thing. They're told to do it,
863
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.039
and they say, I don't know what to do. And
864
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.320
then the voice behind him says, go ahead and do it.
865
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:55.480
You know what to do.
866
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.760
And he looks over at this panel and he goes
867
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.920
and he puts his hands on this panel. Got to remember,
868
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:02.440
this is an F sixteenth guy. And he sits and
869
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.480
he said it was like suction cups on a F sixteen.
870
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:05.840
I don't know what that means, but he said, his
871
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.519
hands are on the panel, and he said, she suddenly
872
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.880
he's flying the craft. He's one with the craft. And
873
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:13.079
people will describe you touch something, So this guy touched
874
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:16.039
the panel. Chris Bletsoe touched a beehive type thing that
875
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:18.000
was in the middle of the on a pedestal in
876
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.599
the middle of the craft and the guy from Liverpool,
877
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.599
England put his hand on a panel on the wall
878
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.400
or a lot of them talked about even my assistant.
879
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.400
And at the very end, we're doing the book. And
880
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.000
at the very end, my assistant desk who does all
881
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.039
the editing and stuff like that, she's we're talking to her,
882
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.119
and then she suddenly she says, oh, she was flying it.
883
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.000
I said you were flying the craft too. Come on,
884
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.320
you were flying the craft and she said, yeah, I
885
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.079
told you before. You didn't listen to me. I said,
886
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.000
is that the book. Come on, let's put the and
887
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:46.559
so it's in the book. I couldn't believe it. In
888
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.360
my assistant at the very end, I didn't even know.
889
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.679
And it was these people were coming to almost like
890
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.000
synchronistic be they're not on the internet. I didn't find
891
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.400
these things. They all came to me like people would
892
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.199
come and they would talk about it. So they would
893
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.360
do the same thing, like to touch a ball, they
894
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.960
touch a panel. They would touch the panel or whatever.
895
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.119
And he said, suddenly he's flying the craft. And he
896
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.159
said it was just like flying in F sixteen. And
897
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.519
so he took one hand off the panel and he
898
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.159
was ready to put it back down because he figured
899
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:12.800
the UFO was going to stall, and he put his
900
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.159
hand up and he said, nothing happened. And so then
901
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.079
he took the other hand off the panel, about one
902
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.480
inch off, and he was getting ready to put it
903
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.119
back down, and he said he had his hand off.
904
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.000
And then he's standing with his hands like this and
905
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.000
he's flying the craft. And so the idea is the
906
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.400
craft is alive. So whatever this is, this is artificial
907
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.960
intelligence a thousand years from now, a five thousand years,
908
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.440
this is what it's going to look like. What it
909
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.079
is is not that you take consciousness, because consciousness is primary.
910
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.239
So consciousness makes matter. So you have a machine and
911
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.800
you're not going to put consciousness in it because consciousness
912
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.960
is not a thing. Consciousness is everything. So it's consciousness.
913
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.840
And the idea is it's biological. That's the thing we're
914
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.480
missing in the machines. We're thinking we put consciousness in
915
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.880
the machine. We're programming these machines and they all this
916
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.159
is just a loop. The only thing that'll put out
917
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.960
is what you put in. But if you put biological material,
918
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.559
if you can create them a computer that's using biological maria,
919
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.639
then it'll grow. Then it can think then it can elaborate.
920
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.400
And there's actually an experiment that was done and I
921
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.039
think I described it in the book. It was done
922
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:13.639
in southern Georgia. This is in the White world. So
923
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.480
this guy took ten twenty thousand neurons from a rat
924
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:18.519
brain and he put him in a petri dish and
925
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.159
he put these little electrodes below, and he said, he
926
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.760
shows it on the camera and you have these these
927
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:25.960
electrode You can see the little neurons and they're sort
928
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.880
of just sort of swimming around doing nothing or whatever.
929
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.159
And he said, by the third day, they've formed a brain.
930
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.199
They're all dud dude. You can see the links between them,
931
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.159
and they're all talking to each other, all these things.
932
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.840
They're talking. And so he puts this these electrodes, and
933
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.719
he wires these electrodes in and he sends them a
934
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.960
signal and the brain will send us an opposite single
935
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.400
signal back. So they take an F twenty two cent
936
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.360
rafter jet fighter simulator and they link it to this
937
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.239
twenty thousand neurons of a brain, and this thing flies flies,
938
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:55.800
and you can actually look at if you look up
939
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.920
F twenty two rat brain, and you'll see this video
940
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.239
where they show the and then they take the thing,
941
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.599
they teach it how to fly. It's flying this f
942
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.000
twenty two, and then they take the worst possible weather,
943
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:11.000
you know, real side winds and rain and all this
944
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.079
kind of stuff, and the plane just keeps flying. It
945
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.039
flies it right through the worst weather you can possibly
946
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.679
think of. And that's that's what the artificial intelligence. So
947
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.800
this is two thousand and four, so you can imagine
948
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.400
what they're doing in the black World. This is what
949
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.159
it's about. It's the craft is going to be biological,
950
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.480
and that's what people will say. The craft was alive.
951
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.000
Some people actually gave it a name. There was Kathy
952
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.840
Martin's assistant, Kathy Martins as system was talking to the
953
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.159
power plant in this thing, and she said, oh, I
954
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.039
feel so sorry for you. I mean, you're locked in.
955
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.920
And he said, no, don't worry about me. This is
956
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.760
what I chose. This is this is there's no problem,
957
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.159
this is what I chose to do. And this craft
958
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.440
is in contact with all the other crafts flying around
959
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.960
the Solar System, around the universe. And so this is
960
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.840
the idea. The craft is biological. That's what we're missing.
961
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.679
So you make it more biological, more biological, and it
962
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:00.599
thinks and it gets trained or whatever. And maybe the
963
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.119
same with the small grace, that this is biological as well,
964
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.679
that they're able to make these small beings biological. But
965
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.679
it's not the computer. It's the biological thing. It's that
966
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.000
when you get biological material, it'll it'll grow and it'll
967
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.960
think and it'll it's able to do this kind of stuff.
968
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.960
So this is people say, the craft is alive. You
969
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.800
become one with the craft. As soon as you touch
970
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.960
the craft, you become one with the craft. It's like
971
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.000
you and the craft are the same thing. And whatever
972
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.199
you think is what the craft thinks. And what the
973
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.760
people are told when they ask them where would you
974
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:31.360
like to go? Often they say where would you like
975
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.639
to go? And they and like one guy is Ron
976
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.519
Johnson out of Utah, a big experiencer, guy who's had
977
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.400
fifty years of experience, and he said, I would like
978
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.679
to see the Milky Way from distance And they said,
979
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.239
this will take about one second. It's gonna be a
980
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.719
very heavy g force. And they said and then they
981
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.079
said to them the keywords. They said, it's within you
982
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.400
go there. And they all say it's inside you go there.
983
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.960
Almost like the remote doing. Where's the remote viewer go?
984
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.159
Does he actually go out there or does he go
985
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.159
inside his mind? And everything's inside his mind? Because when
986
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.519
the remote viewer is the same thing. When the remote viewer,
987
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.320
when you give them the target six seven three four
988
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.840
seven six, the remote viewer says I'm at the target
989
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.719
like that. They don't say I'm flying to the target.
990
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.239
I'll be there in a minute. Yeah, they're right at
991
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.920
the target instantaneously. It's a non local thing. There is
992
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.039
no time in space. It's and that's what Ron said.
993
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.199
In one second, he said, it was like it's almost
994
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:21.519
like you take the pages of a book and you
995
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.239
sort of rift through them. You go as you were going.
996
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.199
He thought it was like dimensions they were going through
997
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:29.039
and he said boom. He looked out the front window
998
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.079
and there was the Milky Way off in a distance.
999
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.000
So I say, that's I estimate fifty to seventy thousand
1000
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:38.480
light years. In one second, he went, if that's true,
1001
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.239
if that story is true, we got something wrong with
1002
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.320
time and space, our understanding of time and space. And
1003
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.480
that's what people have described. Become all with the craft
1004
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.960
and whatever you think, whatever you think is where you go.
1005
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:48.320
So people can say I want to go to the
1006
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.360
fire side of the galaxy. They're instantaneously there. They go there.
1007
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.679
And that seems to be what I was. When I
1008
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.039
followed the government research, it always fell apart when it
1009
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.719
came to andy gravity that they just they weren't getting anywhere.
1010
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.280
They have a little bit to get reduced it by
1011
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.119
one or two percent. But when it came to the
1012
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:07.920
portal thing, then it appeared the government may have portal technology,
1013
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.559
they may have this jump room technology. I in fact
1014
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.119
I had, And I'll leave it at this, and you
1015
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:14.920
can ask another question I had the I had a
1016
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.079
meeting with the famous Tyler Dee from American Cosmic in
1017
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.800
twenty thirteen. And I'll use his name. His name is
1018
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.840
Tim Taylor. It's you know, he didn't there was no secret.
1019
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.880
When I met him and he was showing me these
1020
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.800
he said to me, there was. I had a number
1021
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.880
of conversations, very informative conversations, but he said to me
1022
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.480
the one he said, what do you think of this?
1023
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.519
He shows me a cell phone and he shows me
1024
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.320
this photograph of these two guys and there's a painting
1025
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.519
of these two guys flying through space and the one
1026
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.920
looked like he's older than the other and looked like
1027
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.039
they were in pajamas, and I go, yeah, I don't know.
1028
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:45.719
And then he shows me a next photo and it
1029
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.119
was a picture of these three photos together where it
1030
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.360
was an eclipse as the eclips went along. And the
1031
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.000
third one was all these balls, big balls going into
1032
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.360
the small to these little tiny balls, like big balls,
1033
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.599
ball well smaller as he went towards the middle of it.
1034
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.960
And I go, I don't know, Tim, I mean, I
1035
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.199
don't know. And then he shows me this car. He says,
1036
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.679
he's a fifty six Chevy or fifty seven Chevy. It
1037
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.159
was on top of the parcade of this building. And
1038
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.880
he said in the back seat, he said on the
1039
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.800
postcard and said, oh, it was like some guy talking
1040
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.360
to his girlfriend or stuff. I wish I was, I
1041
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.079
wish I could be I could move through time and
1042
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:18.639
space to be with you or something like. It was
1043
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.559
something like that. And I go, really, that's what I said,
1044
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.000
I said. And then he says, you know where it is,
1045
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.519
you know where this is. I go, noh, I have
1046
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.360
no idea where this is. Where this is he says,
1047
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.960
he says, here's the aircraft building and he said, here's
1048
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.840
aircraft building. I still don't know what you're talking about.
1049
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.440
He said, that's what the jump room was. And I went, really,
1050
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.719
those pictures and then he says, show me it again.
1051
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.480
I look at these pictures again and I'm trying to
1052
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.000
figure it a guy and he said the one with
1053
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.760
the two guys flying through spaces right outside the elevator
1054
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.159
where this supposed jump room was. And I'm thinking to
1055
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.159
myself and there wasn't It didn't click, like a lot
1056
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:48.800
of these things don't click at the time. It was
1057
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.119
like years later and I'm sitting there and all the side,
1058
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.079
I'm going, why did Tim show me this? Photos? Like
1059
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.719
why would he show me this? Because I went to
1060
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:58.440
LAX the first time I got to La. This first
1061
00:46:58.440 --> 00:46:59.880
thing I did. I went to LX. I went to
1062
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:02.519
the place and I photographed these paintings and I'm looking
1063
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.639
around and I actually contacted the guy that claimed the
1064
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.519
jump room. I said, do you you we're in the
1065
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.760
elevator in the first building or second building, because this
1066
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.000
nine nine nine Sepulvida Avenue in LA and there's two
1067
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.280
buildings that've been turned into office buildings. And I said,
1068
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:16.960
we're in the front building of the back building, he said,
1069
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.239
I don't remember. I was a little kid when we
1070
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.840
were doing this stuff. And so when I got that,
1071
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.000
then I'm thinking to myself, he was it was sure,
1072
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.239
So that Tim went there, Why would he go there
1073
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:29.599
if there's nothing to do it? Why would this high
1074
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.000
level NASAU guy go to the US Aircraft building. So
1075
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:34.880
that's that kind of stuff that all seemed to back
1076
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.719
up that. The more I looked at this, and I
1077
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.960
just put all these accounts together of these thirty six
1078
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.239
people describing this fact that the reason we're not getting
1079
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.840
anywhere is this consciousness technology and what this whole thing
1080
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.679
may be about these people, and they may not be
1081
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.320
going to other planets, or maybe they are going to
1082
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.639
other planets, but they're doing this because they're trying to
1083
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.079
break this this nuts and bolts thing. They're trying to reinforce, reinforce,
1084
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.039
reinforce this consciousness thing. They're teaching people the Levitt State
1085
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.000
taste stuff. Why are they teaching people to livitate stuff?
1086
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.280
They'll tell the story and then they'll die or whatever.
1087
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.760
But this is gradually changing consciousness. Where I tell these
1088
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.159
stories and you hear more of these stories about consciousness,
1089
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.440
people start talking about it, and it breaks that thing.
1090
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.199
Almost like twenty seventeen, when the New York Times article
1091
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.719
came out, everybody went, yeah, okay, I knew about that,
1092
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.480
and then it just leads to the next question. Then
1093
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.960
everybody says, hey, so what about the bodies? What about crafts?
1094
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.480
And they're leading us down this sort of road where
1095
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.480
people are accustomed to the idea.
1096
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.760
Now, you mentioned earlier how in some of these cases
1097
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.960
they may see a ship in the sky and it's
1098
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.280
maybe thirty feet wide, and then the next thing they know,
1099
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:39.320
they're inside this thing and it's massive, and it's much
1100
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.400
larger than it ever looked on the outside. And you
1101
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.920
also mentioned that this being a consciousness experience, that it's
1102
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.519
most likely people having these experiences are not being taken
1103
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.079
externally outwardly physically to space, but they're going within themselves
1104
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.400
and they're having these experiences and there is some sort
1105
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.719
of reality or super spectrum that surrounds us at all time,
1106
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.199
but it's also inside of us and it's everywhere, and it's,
1107
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:08.400
like we were saying, super hard to understand, but this
1108
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.519
is actually what we're accessing when we're having these experiences. Right.
1109
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.760
Yeah, In fact, you get I show the crossovers between
1110
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.639
different types of experiences, and the one that's the most
1111
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:25.280
impressive is the one with near death experience. So in
1112
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.440
near death experiences, people that come back thirty one percent
1113
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.000
of them. According to the survey it was done by
1114
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.519
the near death experience people said they knew the answer
1115
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.000
to everything in the universe. In the UFO experience world,
1116
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.320
it's forty percent. Forty percent of people who have had
1117
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.119
experiences will say, at one point during my experience, I
1118
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:43.639
knew the answer to everything in the universe. And I've
1119
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.800
had a couple of them, and I challenge them, I
1120
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.599
owe you the same question and say, hey, so how
1121
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.519
do you know that? And how do you know there
1122
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.800
was something like number seven, eight or nine on the
1123
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.719
far side of the universe they forgot to tell you about.
1124
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.559
And they say exactly what I said about. And I said,
1125
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.719
right at the beginning of the interview, it's this idea
1126
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.920
like I'm not sure or I just know I knew
1127
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.360
when I got that consciousness. Think this is right. And
1128
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.280
so they said, I know, I know, I knew everything
1129
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.840
in the universe. So that's the whole idea. If they
1130
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.639
knew everything in the universe, then the beings have access
1131
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.079
to everything in the universe, so they're not here to
1132
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.639
study us to figure out how the plants grow or
1133
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.000
you know, stuff like this. They know everything. They got
1134
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.320
access to everything in the universe and these and they
1135
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.719
brought us in there. And then as the people will say,
1136
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:26.559
when I go back, I'm gonna remember everything. I'm gonna remember,
1137
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.119
and they said, no, you won't remember. You won't remember.
1138
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:29.920
And as they go back, they said, it's almost like
1139
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.840
a dream. It goes down down, and all they can
1140
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.840
remember is that they knew everything in the universe. They
1141
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.400
can't remember anything, any of the details. And so that's
1142
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.840
the whole thing. It's all within you. And that's this
1143
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.639
idea of the contact modalities that you go within yourself
1144
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.360
and the prime example that give you an analogy that
1145
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.280
maybe help people understand how this works. So people think
1146
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.400
consciousness is in the rain, you're looking out your eyes,
1147
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.199
your feeling and stuff like that, and there's some sort
1148
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.039
of movie screeners in your head and stuff like that.
1149
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.280
It's like I always say to people like where's the
1150
00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.719
where's the actual image taking place?
1151
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:00.440
You know?
1152
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.559
And if I if I say to you like who's
1153
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.039
your first girlfriend? And then a name pops in your head,
1154
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:06.800
like what do you think neurons went running up to
1155
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.400
the third floor and you guy went down to the
1156
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.320
filing cabinet. Girlfriends, girlfriends, hang on, hang on, no, it's
1157
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.440
it's it's instantaneous, and like, where's this happening? And so
1158
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.760
with with now I've lost my train of thought with
1159
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.960
this what we were discussing.
1160
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.599
We were talking about how this is a field that
1161
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.880
surrounds us as all to you, we're accessing this from
1162
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:28.800
inside ourselves.
1163
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.119
Yeah, okay, So so I've studied a lot with out
1164
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.199
about experiences. I tried to do it. I couldn't do it.
1165
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:35.440
But the out of body and a lot of the
1166
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.039
UFO experiences will say it's actually out of body, they're
1167
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.159
they're actually there's a guy that runs on UFA in
1168
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.239
Japan who says it's actual out of body every single case.
1169
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.280
You had twenty two that he did an experiment, and
1170
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.239
twenty two is dealing with the grays, who's in the
1171
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.280
ship and all this kind of stuff, and it was
1172
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.719
all out of about experience. So we have this impression
1173
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.199
that is consciousness is in the brain. But when you
1174
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.079
have an out of body experience, so you have the
1175
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.960
autoboud experience. You leaving your body, you look back at
1176
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.679
you at your body, and you see your head and
1177
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.519
you see see your head, and you go. Consciousness is
1178
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.519
not in the brain because there's my brain. I can
1179
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.719
see my brain, and there's my consciousness is here, it's
1180
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.800
up here. And so the thing is what's really going on.
1181
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.360
The body is inside the consciousness because you're looking at it.
1182
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.480
The body's inside your consciousness, your consciousness, and then your
1183
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.440
consciousness can go look out the window and the consciousness
1184
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.599
can see the stars and the planets, and it can
1185
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.880
the consciousness that the stars and the planets are in
1186
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.559
my consciousness as well. And you can actually go for
1187
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.239
a trip like like Ngo Swan did when he did
1188
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.920
the remote viewing go to Jupiter. Oh, I mean Jupiter,
1189
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:40.920
and he sees the rings and then years later they
1190
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.559
confirmed the saxual rings about around Jupiter, which they didn't
1191
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.159
know in is that you can go wherever you want.
1192
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.960
And that's the idea that it may all be inside yourself.
1193
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.119
You've got the answer to everything. And that's where this
1194
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.119
thing with contact modalities is, is that there's ways that
1195
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:56.039
you can do to break into that thing and you
1196
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.159
may not want a near death experience going through the
1197
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.760
front windshield, you know, to get your out of body
1198
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.880
experience and learn this thing. But there are ways to
1199
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.880
do it. And everybody has these false impressions and consciousness
1200
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.360
is in the head and that it's all physical nuts
1201
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.000
and bolts, and so I remind people that you know,
1202
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.280
you can you believe things. People said, no, no, I
1203
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.000
believe I have what I know, what I see. But
1204
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.840
in fourteen ninety two, the world was flat. I mean
1205
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.519
it's simple, it was flat. I mean everybody thought it
1206
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.559
was flat. And it looks like it's flat. The Sun
1207
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.119
goes around the Earth, and we still say the sun
1208
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.800
rises and sunsets. We still have this idea the Sun's
1209
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.960
going around the Earth, and we believe that were at
1210
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.199
the center of the universe. And a lot of people
1211
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:36.920
don't realize that a lot of the stuff that we
1212
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.679
believe is we've only believed for one hundred years for exactly,
1213
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.440
for example, when Einstein and Bore and Plank and all
1214
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.960
these guys were around, they believe there was only one galaxy.
1215
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:48.559
It wasn't until nineteen twenty five. There was a big
1216
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:53.199
debate between Shopley and Hubble about a big trial thing
1217
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.639
where they were arguing a big debate as to whether
1218
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.119
there's more than one galaxy, and Hubble had discovered what
1219
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.480
he called andromedy. So I found another galaxy and Sharply,
1220
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.199
who was the authority in the world on cosmology and astronomy,
1221
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.079
said this is garbage, this is a this is a
1222
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.320
gas cloud inside the Milky Way. And so nineteen twenty five,
1223
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.480
it wasn't until ben that it broke and people conceded.
1224
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.119
Yet there was more than one galaxy. Now it's like
1225
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.440
there's two trailing galaxies. And in the idea of the atom,
1226
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.199
we until nineteen eleven, we believe the atom was a
1227
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.320
solid thing and it had electrons embedded into it like
1228
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.360
like a like a pudding, and we don't realize that
1229
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.800
that that the stuff that we know, we only know
1230
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.239
because we believe it, and that most of it, as
1231
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.239
they described to me, not only is what you got wrong,
1232
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.559
it's exactly the opposite, and you haven't got a clue.
1233
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.079
I can't remember what they said the exactly It was
1234
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.280
very very sort of that you haven't you think you
1235
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.280
understand what's going on there. I can't remember how they
1236
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.039
phrased it. But you haven't got a clue. They just
1237
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.440
hammered this all the time, this ego thing, you think,
1238
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:56.920
and and it almost sort of set me up because
1239
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:58.320
I kept saying, like, I don't think I got a
1240
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.840
big ego. I mean like, but they just kept hammering
1241
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.960
away in It was almost maybe this thing where they
1242
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:07.679
were getting me ready for this idea where you have
1243
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.760
to accept all these really really bizarre things and go
1244
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.639
down that road, because that's what people will do. They'll
1245
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.719
they'll block it off and they'll say I don't want
1246
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.440
to deal with that. They'll they'll deal with so much,
1247
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.159
but when it gets over there. Even I had an
1248
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.360
interview the other night and this guy had been interviewed
1249
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.159
by him lots of times, and as soon as he
1250
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:26.239
got to ORBS, he said, well you're doing ORBS. I
1251
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.840
don't know. And it's like that was the road too far.
1252
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.400
And so I'm describing to him this is another pattern.
1253
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.719
There's there's definitely a pattern in here that you can
1254
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.239
see this happens, and this happens, this happens, this happens,
1255
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.039
and it's had certain people and stuff like that. No, no, no,
1256
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.239
it's you could tell it was too far from me
1257
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.880
or when I did the consciousness thing. Jerry Pippen, who
1258
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.079
was one of the biggest interviews at the time, said, Grant,
1259
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.079
I can't believe you've done this. You were the president guy.
1260
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.440
He was like the guy that was doing the presidents
1261
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.400
with the documents, and now you've gone over to this
1262
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:56.880
WOU stuff. And I said, well, Jerry, I didn't really
1263
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:58.960
go over there. I kind of got teleparted there. And
1264
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.239
so that's what a lot of times it happens is
1265
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.960
when you have these download experiences, it sort of takes
1266
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.360
you and it slams your cross, you know, slams you
1267
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.000
across the head, and you suddenly get the experience. And
1268
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:13.559
once you've had the experience, you know for sure. So
1269
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.199
the people will say, I know, like science will always
1270
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:17.719
want to try to argue with you. Let's say you
1271
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.400
just believe your stuff is anecdotal, and we know, no, no,
1272
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:24.559
you're doing the experiments, You've got theories. We're the ones
1273
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.000
that know. The people who have an experience, you're the believers.
1274
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:28.639
You're the guys that believe. We're the ones that know.
1275
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.360
You can only know by actually having the experience, then
1276
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:32.400
you know for sure.
1277
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.000
Yes, one hundred percent, And that's what I want to
1278
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:39.960
close on today and get into is these this sense
1279
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:44.119
of knowing and how personal these experiences really are for people.
1280
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.599
It seems like the most genuine experiences are not being
1281
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.559
had with groups of people. They are occurring on an
1282
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.960
individual basis, like we said, through people's own out of
1283
00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:00.320
body or astral or consciousness experiences. And between the last
1284
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.840
time we've spoken now, I had my first what I
1285
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.440
would consider contact experience through a meditative session, and since then,
1286
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.800
I've had plenty other experiences, not only through meditation, but
1287
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.559
like you said earlier, through psychedelics, through high doses, and
1288
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.000
very profound experiences of not only knowing, but making contact
1289
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:24.360
with whatever this intelligence or these intelligences are. And one
1290
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:28.559
of the first most profound things that I was directed
1291
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.280
to do to get a better understanding was heal my
1292
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.360
own childhood traumas and take care of things that were
1293
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.760
weighing on my consciousness and heal all these past events
1294
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.920
and traumas. And then eventually, as I started to work
1295
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.800
on myself and do these things, I did gain a
1296
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.719
better understanding of what I could possibly be dealing with.
1297
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.840
And I think that this is this phenomenon is occurring
1298
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:58.440
on an individual basis, and seemingly for more and more people,
1299
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.199
or at least more in more people have the courage
1300
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.199
to come out and talk about it. Now, are you
1301
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.840
seeing more of this in the past few years, more
1302
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.559
of these people kind of having these profound experiences and
1303
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.639
actually coming out and talking about them.
1304
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.159
Well, I can't really tell whether they're coming out to
1305
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.000
talk about them, but I'm running into them. So it's
1306
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.239
sort of like you is where you start doing interviews
1307
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.239
and then you realize this, and then you meet another
1308
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.599
person and and I'm sort of moving into the field
1309
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.360
where these people are sort of coming and I make it.
1310
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.760
I make it sort of public for them, not public,
1311
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.880
but I make it. I make it available for people.
1312
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.599
And I used to run a group called Experiences Anonymous,
1313
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.119
and I based it off AA because I had a
1314
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.960
lot of contacts with people who are in AA and
1315
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.920
stuff like that, and I worked out on the same
1316
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.280
principle is that people will come in and they have
1317
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.159
these experiences and they yeah, they really don't know, you know,
1318
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:48.239
like you know, I still think it's a dream and
1319
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.519
stuff like that, and it's very troubling and I still
1320
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.400
can't get over the sexual stuff they did at the
1321
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.039
very beginning and now it's good, but you know, and
1322
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.639
they're all troubled with this kind of stuff, and you
1323
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.320
put them in invironment where I had a group where
1324
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.360
I actually we actually suspended one guy because we'd go
1325
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.320
into the group and then he would say to someone, Hey,
1326
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.239
what's your story? Like what are you doing here? Like
1327
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.519
what what do you and say Albert, you know, like
1328
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.880
forget it, you can't do this. I warned you, and
1329
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.360
he kept doing it, and so we basically cut him out.
1330
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:21.599
Because you want to have an environment where people can
1331
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.880
come into a group meeting and there can be like
1332
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.639
thirty people and there and everybody just talks and people talk.
1333
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.000
It's like a they talk and then some guy sitting
1334
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.599
in the back of the room and his arms folded.
1335
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.159
You know, no, it ain't me, you know, I don't
1336
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:35.440
you know, it's not me. I'm not crazy like these
1337
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.880
people or whatever. And then somebody will tell their story
1338
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:40.719
and they'll they'll sort of sit forward and it's like,
1339
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.119
oh my god, I am really I am one of
1340
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.159
these people. And that's what you want, is you want
1341
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.960
the ability where people can open up. So I had
1342
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.000
this group and now I think there's a thousand people
1343
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:52.599
in it, and they've gone more to UFOs now to
1344
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.599
sort of the It started as this thing for experiences,
1345
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:58.960
and I still sort of run where experiences will come
1346
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.559
to me because as they know, I've got my main
1347
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.079
focus is that if you want to understand the uf
1348
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.639
full phenomena, you don't want to look at the lights
1349
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.280
in the sky that'll just tell you something's going on.
1350
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.159
You've got to talk to the people who are interacting
1351
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:13.239
with this phenomena. And the more I look at the phenomena,
1352
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.239
the more I see it as not a uf ful phenomena,
1353
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.360
an et phenomena. It looks more complex. It looks like
1354
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.719
it's all working as one thing, and it has this
1355
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.159
aspect where like yours where clean up your life and uh,
1356
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.440
you've got these these these these personal things going on,
1357
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.559
and it's it's more like a personal experience where people
1358
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.079
are are learning things, and it's it's that's where the
1359
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.480
thing where this the When I heard this thing about
1360
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:43.360
Jim Semivan s there was this this uh Kevin he
1361
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:47.880
termed it didn't use angel, but this sort of guide
1362
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.760
guide thing going on behind me. And that's this thing
1363
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:52.880
about the guide that you have these guys that that
1364
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.360
are helping you, and you come into the world and
1365
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:55.679
you say, I'm going to work on this. I'm going
1366
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:57.880
to work on that. I got this problem and this problem,
1367
01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.920
and that you set up your own your own problem,
1368
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.920
You set up your own childhood experiences to test yourself
1369
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.239
to have things to work on, and you overcome it
1370
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.119
through later stuff and you get over it, and then
1371
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.559
you your next life, you start something else. And according
1372
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:14.960
to Michael Newton, at the seven thousand people, when they
1373
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.880
all come to the end, they all say the same thing.
1374
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:18.719
They get asked, how do it work out by these
1375
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:22.360
these higher beings? And everybody says the same thing, Oh,
1376
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.239
I could have done better. I was going to do this,
1377
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:26.280
but I forgot and I was going to do this,
1378
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.039
but you know, I got scared. Now I didn't do that,
1379
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:29.960
and you know it's like all the things that they
1380
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.400
didn't do, and I'll do it next lifetime. I'm going
1381
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:33.880
to work on the next lifetime. And that's so we
1382
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.199
have to realize that this may the more I look
1383
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.000
at it, the more it looks like a spiritual experience
1384
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.400
to me, that this is all like a big play.
1385
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.719
And now we're in outer space and now it's aliens
1386
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.440
because people don't realize I've been this a long time.
1387
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.840
People don't realize this thing is morphed. And John Alexander says,
1388
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.599
this thing morphs. When they were at Skinwalker Ranch, they said,
1389
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:54.599
not only did the phenomena know what they were doing,
1390
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.360
it knew what they were going to do, and it
1391
01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:58.519
would change. So they would do something. They say, oh,
1392
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.079
it's doing this, and set up all the cameras and
1393
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:02.760
then would do something else off the cameras, never go
1394
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:04.639
set the cameras over there, and it would always it
1395
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.159
was one step ahead of them all the time. They
1396
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:07.719
said this. It was sort of like there was playing
1397
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.719
this game with them. And when when uh Bigelow was asked,
1398
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:15.280
he said, they said, what was it all about? What
1399
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.880
was the whole thing about, all all this stuff going
1400
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:19.840
on the ranch, And he said instantly with len't even think,
1401
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.840
he said, messaging. It's all about messaging. It's all about
1402
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.000
messaging and and games. They're playing games with us and
1403
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.400
sending messages. And Jim Simivan says the same thing. They
1404
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.039
they come to us and they talk in symbols, and
1405
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:33.800
he gets all upset about this, like why don't they
1406
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.840
just tell us what's going on? And because that's what
1407
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.000
it's about. It's not about you know, you doing your
1408
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.480
kids homework. It's about setting up these little things. And
1409
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:42.679
and you you made me working with the beings. You
1410
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.119
may have come in. And even Chris Butzo when when
1411
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.320
they asked him in the regression, they said when did
1412
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.519
you first meet the beings? And he said, They've been
1413
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:51.840
with me since before I was born. So there may
1414
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.639
be this thing where we've this this thing where Jim
1415
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.360
Semivan talks about the spirit guide thing behind him and
1416
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.280
when he's when he's when the aliens are there, and
1417
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.920
he doesn't he's really I'm offended. My human rights was violated,
1418
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.400
my wife is injured. I'm really pissed off at these guys.
1419
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.880
He has no love for these for these beings that
1420
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.440
he interacted with, and yet he says there was this
1421
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.280
guardian thing going on behind him, and that indicates that
1422
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.400
it may be this whole thing is a guardian angel.
1423
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:18.800
And it's a play and you're doing this thing and
1424
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.639
you're being guided and it's just a play. And most
1425
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.679
people don't realize that. They think they think they are
1426
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:25.559
the actor on stage. And I say, because you were,
1427
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:27.320
King Hendry of the eighth in the high school does
1428
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.000
not mean you're not King Andrey the eight. You're not
1429
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.199
you were played Heny, King Hendy. Get over it. You're
1430
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.119
not King Henry the eight. You're on stage. And that's
1431
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.719
what's going on with us. We come here, we play
1432
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:38.440
the play. We are not the actor on the stage.
1433
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:41.199
We are playing an actor on the stage. When it's
1434
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.800
all over, the eye leaves stage left and the actor dies.
1435
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.960
And so you got to realize almost all metaph physical
1436
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.880
literature has two themes. One is the idea of one
1437
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.599
is you're all one, and the other one is remember
1438
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.360
who you actually are. You are this individu jewel that
1439
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.400
is eternal, that moves, or you go from life to life.
1440
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.159
And so we may be working with the beings. People say, oh,
1441
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.639
there's evil the grace, they're evil, and I say, oh, okay,
1442
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.119
So if they're evil, what happens if you die and
1443
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:13.880
you're born tomorrow and you suddenly find out you're a gray,
1444
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.440
are you now evil? It's like this crazy idea that
1445
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.199
there's evil races and stuff like that. And so we
1446
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.239
got to realize that whatever we are against, we could
1447
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.519
end up playing. If you're against some sort of race,
1448
01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.639
you may come back as that race to learn empathy
1449
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.599
and understanding, and it's all one. We're all connected, we're
1450
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:33.480
all you know, alive or is the psychedelic people say,
1451
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.960
everything's conscious, alive and connected, and that's what we have
1452
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.199
to remember. And we are not the actor on the stage.
1453
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.320
We are playing this actor. And then things start to
1454
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:43.320
sort of make sense as to what's going on or
1455
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.159
what may be going on here. And the more I
1456
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.400
look at it, the more it looks like it was
1457
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.239
in the eighteen nineties. There were wooden ships. People don't
1458
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.000
forget this. There was wooden ships that were flying around
1459
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.360
and guys hanging off the ropes. And when the thing
1460
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.800
you remember the story about the crash, there's this crash
1461
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.920
in Texas where this UFO crashes in eighteen ninety five
1462
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.000
and they bury the body. You've heard the story or whatever.
1463
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:08.039
When in the original report the UFO, you know, faster,
1464
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:12.800
was moving when we hit this windmill seven to ten
1465
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.079
miles an hour like now, that was totally crazy, Like
1466
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.320
they fell apart and they already died. The come on
1467
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:19.480
and so it was like that, and then it was
1468
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.280
like the Foo fighters. So then it changes from these
1469
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.639
wooden ships in world War Two, it's food fighters, and
1470
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.880
then after World War two, it was these green fireballs.
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01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.079
Then these discs appear with the balls underneath them and
1472
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.039
the goofy looking nineteen fifty flying saucers. Then there's nineteen
1473
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:34.599
fifty flying saucers. Then there was triangles and people say
1474
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.360
they were always around us, say they really increased in
1475
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.119
then the nineteen seventies and the eighties, and then you
1476
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:42.239
have the orbs came in. You have people with light
1477
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.639
language came in. You have the crop circles started in
1478
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.320
nineteen eighty two, you have the calculmulation started in nineteen
1479
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.599
sixty seven. They didn't go on forever. The ground traces
1480
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:53.360
that were going on when I was doing the research
1481
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:55.800
in the nineteen seventies, they haven't done for twenty five years.
1482
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:57.519
You know, where the UFO comes down, it burns out
1483
01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:59.760
the grass and leaves the pod marks hasn't happened for
1484
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.400
twenty five years. They're past that. Change it. We're gonna
1485
01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:04.360
do a crop circles down now, we're gonna orbs. And
1486
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:06.840
I called the theory. Wow. They just wanted to go, Wow,
1487
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.000
what what the hell's going on here? And they just
1488
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.039
keep doing one thing after another. Or I tell people,
1489
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.400
if you think that this all makes sense, you just
1490
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:15.440
take a look at the Knimts thing, and this is
1491
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.639
absolutely confirms it. You take the Nimts thing. Why did
1492
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.639
the UFO drop from eighty nine thousand feet or eighty
1493
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.760
thousand feet down to sea level and seven eighths of
1494
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.159
a second? It was this an abduction maneuver. They run
1495
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.719
out of gas, like, how could you move that fastest time?
1496
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.559
Forty four thousand gees? Apparently it was why did they
1497
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.800
do that? They wanted every way to go. Oh the
1498
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.440
hell did they do that? And then the uf was going, watch,
1499
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.480
we're gonna show off. What that's how fast can go?
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01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:42.000
And everything?
1501
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:42.440
Oh go?
1502
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.360
And or they complained about the threat all these orbs
1503
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.199
coming near the planes and they would come within a
1504
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:49.599
couple of feet of the planes, and they were like
1505
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:55.360
round orbs with these these these sort of boxes inside them,
1506
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:56.840
and they came so close that it was a threat
1507
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.239
to the plane. I can just see zogarsk, Hey, hey,
1508
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:01.199
here's all a bitch you I can get closer to
1509
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.239
the planes and you can then and it's they're just
1510
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.440
showing off. They're just they're just doing this weird thing,
1511
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:07.400
or why do the UFOs have lights on them? You
1512
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.199
have UFOs of lights on them so you can see
1513
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:12.079
them if you if you didn't see them with the experience,
1514
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.320
they want you to see the UFO. And all UFOs
1515
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.159
are different. Almost every UFO is different, Almost every UFO
1516
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.679
experience is different. And they just have the lights. It's
1517
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.639
almost like grade one Grade one in in some alien school.
1518
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.039
We got to get these people's attention on this planet.
1519
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.880
They're ready to destroy the planet and they're all off.
1520
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.079
What can we do to for lessons? And the grade
1521
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.920
one says, hey, let's let's put the lights on planes
1522
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.079
and fly them or the UFOs and fly them around.
1523
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.400
And the grade two says, hey, let's do crop circles. Okay,
1524
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:39.480
you do crop circles. And Grade three says, oh, this
1525
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.320
mediake cattle in the areas where the nuclear power stuff
1526
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:44.440
was going on. Okay, let's do that. And then the
1527
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.159
other and you go through this thing and it's almost
1528
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.119
like they're doing this this thing where there's doing these
1529
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.079
various things and everyone's go wow, whoa. And the more
1530
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.360
we talk about it, the more it gets. It gets
1531
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:56.360
this nineteen just say, five years ago where the new
1532
01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:58.800
York Times article comes out where every hedy's climatized because
1533
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.760
I wrote an article called you yars ago, called the
1534
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.239
sixty four Reasons. They decided to tell you the truth.
1535
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.760
And Stephen Grier was talking about this thing where the
1536
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.079
stock market will melt down, people will think, well, it's
1537
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:11.039
not worth anything. The stock market will melt down, people
1538
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.559
are going to commit suicide. The religious people are all
1539
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.360
going to be offended. None of that happened. No, he
1540
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:18.159
committed suicide. Everybody said, yeah, so what just and then
1541
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.439
it was the next question. And that's so they're moving
1542
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.159
this consciousness up, but they're doing it by changing things.
1543
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.720
They're talking in eighteen ninety when they said to them
1544
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:27.640
in the eighteen nineties and said where are you from?
1545
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.800
They said, oh, we're from above the clouds. We're from Mars.
1546
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.880
And in eighteen ninety we had discovered the canals on
1547
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.520
Mars with telescopes. So it was a big discussion in
1548
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.760
the eighteen nineties. And so you see this, It changes
1549
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.800
for one thing, and it goes to another, another and another,
1550
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.039
and it gets a little more complex. Then they introduced
1551
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.600
the consciousness thing. They drag me in and we all
1552
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:47.840
maybe playing a play where you and I and a
1553
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.279
bunch of people all got together before we were born,
1554
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:52.000
and we said, okay, you do this, you do this,
1555
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:53.399
We're going to meet up. I'm going to do an
1556
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.399
interview on your show, and this sort of thing that
1557
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.359
we're all planning this stuff to move this consciousness down
1558
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.960
the road. And some other people maybe doing something else
1559
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.439
in sports or whatever they're doing, or peace or whatever.
1560
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:06.760
And this was our mission. So that's why I say
1561
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:10.039
to people, it really doesn't matter if you believe in reincarnation,
1562
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:11.439
which is the thing they said to me. If it's
1563
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:14.039
one world, that's one thing. But if it's multiple worlds,
1564
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.000
everything changes. So if it's multiple worlds, then you and
1565
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.000
I came into this world, and we probably came in
1566
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:20.760
here to do something. We didn't just it was not
1567
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:22.359
a crapshoot. We said we want to do this, we
1568
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.079
want to have this play. We want to you know,
1569
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.840
work on this and raise this or get over this
1570
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.680
problem of love or whatever it is. And so we
1571
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.479
come into the world, we plan to do something, and
1572
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.800
when we leave we get asked only one question, how
1573
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:37.800
did it work out? Because we put the players on
1574
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.600
the stage, we arranged at all and we either did
1575
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:41.840
it or we didn't do it. So all we have
1576
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.359
to do is wonder is what do we came here
1577
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:46.399
to do? And are we doing it? And that's all
1578
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.119
it matters. So what everybody else is doing it doesn't
1579
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.720
really matter because they're not going to say, you know,
1580
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:52.319
I can't bring up oh Donald Trump, Pillar Clinton. They're
1581
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.079
gonna go time out, time out. I don't want hear
1582
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:55.439
about your mother in law, don't want to hear about
1583
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.840
the dog ate, your homework, You plan this, how did
1584
01:09:57.880 --> 01:09:59.960
it work out for you? You can't bring in somebody else,
1585
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.199
can't You can't be a victim when it's all over,
1586
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.640
because we are in control of our lives and that's
1587
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.399
what we have to realize, and so we all have
1588
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:09.800
to worry about is why are we here and what
1589
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.479
are we supposed to be doing? And are we doing it?
1590
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.720
I love it, man, that's a beautiful note to end on,
1591
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.079
mister Cameron. Thank you so much. Before you head out,
1592
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.760
let everyone know what's the best way to find your books?
1593
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:22.960
Social media, all the good stuff you got.
1594
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.960
Okay, My publishing company is called It's All Connected, and
1595
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:30.079
that's one word. It's all Connected publishing and you can
1596
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.880
put that with Grant Cameron and find all the books
1597
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.119
that I've written. And my assistant as a chandler, she's
1598
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:38.720
got a couple of really interesting books on there, and
1599
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:41.279
basically where I put most of my stuff. You can
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01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:45.680
find me at Presidential ufo is my handle on Facebook.
1601
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:48.079
Most of my stuff I get published there and links
1602
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:49.720
to what I'm doing. And my next book is going
1603
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.560
to be on airports and manifestations. It's called Weird the
1604
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.000
World of Airports and Manifestation. That's the whole phenomena of
1605
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:01.800
things appearing, dropping out of ceilings, people making things appear, disappear,
1606
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:05.840
stuff appearing in the experiences house, reappearing three or four
1607
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.159
years later in another place, and just a really weird thing.
1608
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.720
And again there's a very great pattern to this. And
1609
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.039
the one guy who's the expert on it said to me,
1610
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:16.560
I'm glad somebody's finally writing a book on this. So
1611
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:19.399
we've got all these things that appeared, and I go
1612
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.439
into the medals. I go into the medals from the
1613
01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:24.319
UH which I say they're dropping. And I talked to
1614
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.520
Jacques Vallet, said, Jack, just making sense, Come on, Jack.
1615
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.520
They come across the galaxy and they avoid stars and
1616
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.000
planets and and black holes and stuff. And they get
1617
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.000
here and then what little these little pieces start falling
1618
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.119
off the blank Sauser come on, they're dropping this stuff.
1619
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:39.399
And I said, they're gifting this stuff, and Jack said,
1620
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.199
I think I came up with that term. So I
1621
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.600
totally agrees that. As I look at the metals, I
1622
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.359
look at the medals that I've got that that have
1623
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.760
dropped around, and I go through this whole thing that
1624
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.279
this is. This is stuff that they're dropping is called
1625
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.000
get the Tim Taylor called it the gifting field. He
1626
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.439
had a field in New Mexico where he took Diana
1627
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:00.920
Posoka and John and and Gary Nolan and for the
1628
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.239
metal there, and it's called the gifting field. They actually
1629
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.079
believe the crafts are being given to us. They're dropping
1630
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.239
the stuff on purpose, all the metals. So I got
1631
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.119
in his next book, Weird, I talk about the medals
1632
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.760
and my experience with it's been going on for many,
1633
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.239
many years.
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01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.319
Excellent. I will definitely have to have you back on
1635
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:20.279
to talk about that one. This was excellent, mister Cameron.
1636
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:20.520
Thank you.
1637
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.560
Today I want to welcome back to the show Recluse
1638
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:28.479
aka Steven Snyder. He is an author and longtime curator
1639
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:32.680
of the viz up website, which is dedicated to parapolitics
1640
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.560
and high weirdness in all their mini forms. After nearly
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a decade in the blogging racket, he's branched out into podcasts.
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With Frank Zero of Zero Night. He co hosts the form,
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which is a weekly podcast dedicated to parapolitics and synchrome mysticism. Steven,
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welcome back. How you doing.
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I'm doing well, sir. How you doing today?
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I'm excellent, man, I can't complain. Been looking forward to this.
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We're gonna get weird. We're gonna get into some Werewolfloor origins,
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luper Kalia Festival, and much more high strangeness that you've
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been looking into. You always dive deep into your research,
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so I know there's going to be a good talk.
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But it has been a while since you've been on.
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Before we get into any of this, just remind the
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audience a bit about yourself and what you got going on.
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Uh. Well, I was the longtime curator of the Visive
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blog going back to like twenty ten, I think or
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something like that. I did that for quite a few years.
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Eventually got into podcasting back around twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty
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host of the Farm podcast, which I took up from
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Frank Zero. You can now find that in Apple and
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Spotify under the Farm Podcast Mock two. And then also
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you've got the Patreon where you get two additional fool
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in shows per month, plus a lot of other goodies,
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updates on my ongoing investigations, state of union, addresses, periodic essays,
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just you know, all kinds of pretty crazy stuff that
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I cooke up, even periodic videos and so forth. So
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but yeah, I basically have just been kind of traveling
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around the country a lot for the last year a
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year and a half, sort of on this ongoing process
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of self initiation, if you will. It's taken me to
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a lot of incredible places. I met a lot of
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incredible people, seen a lot of incredible things, and hopefully
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in a few years it's going to produce a couple
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of projects to kind of document all the incredible things
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that have come out of this.
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Right now, I want to ask you something before we
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get into where wolves. I've heard you discuss one time
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a psychedelic experience that you had where you actually you
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walked into someplace and you were able to see these
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great aliens walking around. Would you be able to talk
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a little bit about that.
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Yeah, sure, that was actually the first time I took
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magic mushrooms. This was back like probably three two thousand
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and four airbouts. I was living at the dorms at
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the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, and Colorado Springs
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is not the best town for psychedelics in general. Of course,
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you don't know, like Norad is there, but it was
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also for a long time like the headquarters of Focus
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on the Family. I mean when I lived there in
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like three h four, you would actually see people saying
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prayers over their big max of McDonald's, you know, for lunch.
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I mean that kind of stuff.
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It was. Yeah, I actually live in Fort Collins. I
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just went on a vacation through Colorado Springs to that
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little spiritual town in Crestone. But yeah, I'm right around
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that area sometimes.
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Yeah, No, it is an early area. I mean, I
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love Garden of the Gods. And you know, obviously, you
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know you're only about an hour or something like that
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from Denver.
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So.
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They're in on my night's name. So anyway, like I'm
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living on this storm at the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs,
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spoke psychedelic mushrooms for the first time. It's pretty standard
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trip like up to that point. But then I'm kind
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of getting to what I'm thinking is the end of it.
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Like it's around eleven o'clock or something like that. And
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one of the cool things about the dorm is they
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did this like late night and meal in the cafeteria,
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you know, from like ten thirty to midnight or something,
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where they would kind of do like some white breakfast
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stuff and you know, things like that. So I was like,
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all right, maybe I'll go grab like some eggs or
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something like that before I turn in. So go in,
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walk into the section of the cafeteria where they feed you.
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You know, it's like kind of a like a buffet setup.
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You know, they've got food spread out, they got kind
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of like the you know, the area in the back
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where they've got the stove and the coke and everything.
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It's all like white and whatnot. And as I walk
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in there, I mean it's like almost covered in fog
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or something like that. Like there's a smoke machine in
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the place, and I see these like six seven foot
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tall gray aliens just kind of like walking around in
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this cafeteria area. Like amongst the students, like observing them
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and what have you, and they're just you know, students
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just going about putting stuff on their plates. I mean
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all this other good stuff. Yeah, it was the most intense, well,
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I won't say the most intense psychedelic experience, but I've
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never had visuals like that before, since I actually don't
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really get visuals very much when I trip, maybe like
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some trails or something here and there. I mean occasionally
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I see like the walls moved that kind of stuff,
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but I mean nothing like that. We're just seeing like
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actual you know, beings there, Like I mean like they
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were literally physically standing there.
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You know.
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It was definitely something else. And like I tell people
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a lot, that was kind of like the thing that
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really kicked me off into this journey in the first place,
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because I started wondering then, you know, had people seen
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extraterrestrials and you know, other psychedelic states or also kind
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of other altered states of consciousness. And that's when I
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start looking ato things like remote viewing and all this
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other good stuff.
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So yeah, it just reminded me of a psychedelic experience
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I had because I'm the same way I don't usually
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get visuals, nothing really profound. But this one experience, I
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had my ex girlfriend shape shifted into a huge reptilian
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in front of my face. Really, it was chasing me
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around my house, and my whole house became like this dungeon.
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It was insane, and by the end of the experience,
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I was puking up black stuff and it was like
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some kind of exorcism experience. But yeah, that's it's of
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crazy stuff. But I was just I was gonna ask
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if you thought you were just perceiving a different type
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of spectrum or different reality that we can't normally see
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and that's where these beings reside.
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Yeah, no, I think that was like very much the case.
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I mean I've had several other experiences like that too,
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you know, where I felt like I was kind of
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touched by things on the other side or something like that.
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But I mean, yeah, I do think that, you know,
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we do periodically have these kinds of encounters where we
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either see something from the other side or sometimes we
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maybe even perhaps go into another dimension or something of
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that effect.
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Yeah, man, that's pretty crazy. All right, let's get into
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were wolves. What got you into looking into were wolfloor
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and were wolves in general.
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It wasn't the loures so much. It was just it
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was the movies, man, because I'm a big horror above, right,
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yeah so, and I've always kind of found vampires to
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be like overrated. I mean, I like zombie stuff, but
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I mean there's only so much you can do with zombies.
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And i mean, really, once you've seen like Twenty eight Days,
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Romero's Night of the Living Dead, movies like Sean of
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the Dead, Return of the Living Dead, a few of
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the others, i mean, that's dead alive. That's pretty much it,
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you know. But were wolves were always fascinating to me,
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and it seemed like they were kind of criminally underused
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for a lot of years by Hollywood, especially when you
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kind of see like in comparison to the zombie or
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vampire films. Though as I've gotten older, it kind of
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occurred to me, well JG. Michael actually pointed it out
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to me that it's probably more of a budgetary thing,
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you know. I mean, for a lot of years before
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the you know, the CGI era, I mean, it actually
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lost a pretty good amount of coin to do a
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decent werewolf transformation. Not so much now maybe, but you know,
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that was probably a hindrance, I would say for a
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lot of years. So anyway, even though there's not like
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a ton of werewolf movies from sort of the era
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that I grew up in with horror, like the seventies, eighties, nineties,
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a lot of them are really freaking good man. Uh
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you know, there's American Werewolf in London, There's Silver Bullet,
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the Ginger Snaps movies. You could maybe kind of throw
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ravenous in there a Wolf with Jack Nicholson, Badminton Rising.
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But the one that in the Company of Wolves, that's
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another great one, Neil Sjordan. But the one man that
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I always phyxiated on was the Howling.
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Yeah saw that last month. I think that's interesting.
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Yeah, oh awesome, awesome Yeah yeah yeah, well probably it
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might be able to give you some insights until you
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had things you hadn't noticed before then, because it's really
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cool movie. I'm a huge Jodanna fan, who was the director.
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For those of you unaware, he's the guy who did
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both of the Gremlins movies, Matinee, which is another one
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of my all time favorite movies, and The Burbs actually
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for that matter. He's I love Jodanna He's directed a
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lot of my favorite movies, and John Sales is an
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unbee little screenwriter. He later got into directing a lot
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more serious affair like mate Wan the kursh run Ishmael
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I think is what it was called. I know there
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was like a lone star Men with Guns. He's done
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a lot of like more art house movies, A Brother
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from Another Planet, probably a lot of other stuff I'm forgetting.
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But I've seen The Howling just dozens of times, and
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it was actually kind of one of those movies the
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first time where I really kind of started to like
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become aware that there was this very elaborate subtext to
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the movie, a lot of just strange things about it
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that played into some of the intrigues that were going
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on in California in the seventies and eighties, and you know,
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just like for those of you and where are probably
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gonna be some spoilers here, but the pretext of the
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movie is this lady is tracking a serial killer, this
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reporter she and it helps the police him down, but
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it's a very traumatic experience for she has kind of
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an emotional breakdown, and then she ends up going off
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to this kind of self help retreat in northern California.
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The first part that it takes place kind of I
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think in the LA area when she's tracking a serial killer.
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And as she gets up there, she finds out a
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lot of incredible things, namely that her psychiatrist, who runs
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the thing and who brought her up there, is the
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head of a cult of were wolves that essentially operates
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as a kind of secret society, and they the serial
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killer that she had been tracking was a member of
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this Cultwood left going down to La So there was
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just a lot of like insane stuff with this. Another
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thing that's really interesting is the serial killer Eddie that
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they you find out is a werewolf, Like he has
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a calling card right that he leaves to all the
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detectives and stuff at the Grahame scenes. Do you remember
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what that is?
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I can't remember what that is right now.
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It's a smiley face Okay. Yeah, And this movie, again,
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you've got to remember, was made in nineteen eighty Okay.
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The smiley face killings didn't start to get acknowledged until
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like the mid nineties, and even before then, like the
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Happy Face Killer that didn't really start until like the
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late eighties or something like that. So as far as
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I know, this was actually the first time like a
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serial killer was linked to using like the smiley face
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as a calling card, which is another one of the
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really intriguing things about it. And then on top of that,
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you know, you have just sort of all the I
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think ties to many of these sort of strange communes
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that were being set up in Northern California late nineties.
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I mean, I'm thinking specifically some of the stuff with
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the Church of All World and the bar that was
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connected to them and gowing to win Pounder Wind or
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something like that. Of course, he had that one compound
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that was right next to the one the Church of
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the All World was using. And there were just so
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many curious characters in that milieu. I mean, obviously Walter
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Breen and his wife Marian Zimmer Bradley were affiliated put
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them through like the Society of Creative and Acarisms and
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things like that. Green of course was the infinite pedophile
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who had actually molested his own daughter. He was big
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in like the science fiction community for a lot of years,
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which is where he usually kind of prey on kids
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and cons and things like that, and his wife was
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the author of the Midst of Avalon. It was a
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really damning expose of them written by their daughter Maria
1876
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Graylan the Last Closet, which I highly recommend that it's
1877
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a very INtime.
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I was listening to that audio book on my vacation
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last week.
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Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. It it's not
1881
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an easy thing to get through. So and then, of
1882
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course it's not really talked about a lot, but Leonard
1883
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:19.000
Lake dan Finus serial killer, was actually also living in
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Gwendolen's compound there in northern California, and then of course
1885
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later he would relocate. This was where he met his wife,
1886
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by the way, he was on the compound with the
1887
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Bard and then of course he would later relocate to
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the other isolated region in northern California when he and
1889
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:42.279
Charles Nagg started abducting women and whatnot. But so anyway,
1890
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you know, this is like that whole sort of I
1891
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think climate that had inspired the werewolf colt in the Howling.
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So this, you know, certainly brings up a lot of
1893
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interesting ties. I mean, some of the speculations about serial
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killer colts and what have you being nationwide. And again
1895
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it's I think important emphasized that sales and Dante were
1896
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doing this, you know, like nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty,
1897
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I mean when it came out. So, I mean a
1898
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lot of this stuff was before you know, things like
1899
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The Ultimate Evil and what have you had really entered
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into like the pop goal. I mean, obviously The Ultimate
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Evil haven't even been released at this point, but it
1902
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was before a lot of this kind of these sort
1903
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of notions that entered into the popular sphere. It's kind
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of like the you know, the Texas Chainsaw Massac or
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the og One. I mean, if you go back and
1906
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watch it, there's a lot of interesting kind of echoes
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of you know what later developed with Henry Lee Lucas
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and the Mena Borros cult and things like that. So yeah,
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I mean some of these horror movies from the seventies
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definitely have some fascinating subtexts like that.
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Any seventies and eighties, it's the best era for horror
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to me.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely absolutely. But anyways, so there,
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I was already aware of the fact that there was
1915
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just so much insane stuff in this movie, the Howling,
1916
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and I mean, you know, I could just go on
1917
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with some of the occult illusions. I mean, that the
1918
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whole bookstores scene in it with Dick Miller where he
1919
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gets the silver bullets at I mean, good goodness, there's
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01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.039
just so much crap in that whole scene alone that
1921
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you could do like a whole show practically on I mean,
1922
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just analyzing some of the stuff they put the back drop.
1923
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But in recent uh you know, I mean, in the
1924
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last couple of months, I had actually started to realize
1925
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that there was a really specific reason, I think, as
1926
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to why they had even opted to use wear wolves
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for this particular storyline, because you wouldn't necessarily even you know,
1928
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need them to be were wolves. I mean, they could
1929
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have been vampires. They could have just been a Mansionoi
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kind of cult or something like that, or you know,
1931
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maybe later you know, Santa Ria practitioners or something like that.
1932
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But I think that there was actually a specific reason,
1933
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which oddly also kind of ties into psychedelics and maybe
1934
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even seeing things in another dimension or something. That's kind
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of why the lizard thing that you brought up is interesting.
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So all right, Well, let's get into some werewolf origins
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and European tradition. How this all originated.
1938
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Well, this goes way back, and it's kind of rooted
1939
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in a concept that's variously been known as I think
1940
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it's the Cuross or in more recent times than men
1941
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or Bund. Minor Bund isn't necessarily preferred nowadays because of
1942
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its association with Nazism. But the whole concept though, has
1943
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been kind of toyed around with anthropologists for a while now.
1944
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There was some debate is the existence of this whole
1945
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sort of order, but now it seems pretty conclusive, especially
1946
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after Gosh, I can't remember, there was the one site
1947
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that was found, like the steeps I believe, like around
1948
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modern day Ukraine or something like that, with all the
1949
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the dog and wolf sacrifice remains, that really drove home
1950
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the reality of these whole institutions. But okay, so what
1951
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I'm getting at with this is that within from what
1952
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we can tell, the Indo European group, and again this
1953
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.640
is always a touchy subject. I mean, as far you know, again,
1954
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as far as we can tell, this is mainly just
1955
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sort of a name of a language more or less
1956
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.520
it was necessarily tied to an ethnicity, but it was
1957
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:37.640
more or less the language and the culture that predominated
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01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.720
in that particular region of the world at the time.
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None unlike maybe you could say in North America with
1960
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like the hope Well or the Adena tribes, I mean
1961
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:49.640
the hope Well, you know, especially as kind of a
1962
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.119
catch all. There were a lot of different tribes that
1963
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.760
are quite unique that fall under that label. But there
1964
01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:00.359
were certain sort of unifying things and language and trual
1965
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:02.720
beliefs that has led us to lump them together, such
1966
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:05.800
as the traditions to the mountains and so forth. And
1967
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it kind of seems like it was something similar like
1968
01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:12.479
that at the end of Europeans. But anyway, one of
1969
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.560
the traditions that has just appeared so often through dispersion
1970
01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:21.239
was these whole concept of the heroes or men or
1971
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:24.279
bunned or whatever you want to call it. And effectively
1972
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:29.399
this amounted to the use of a lot of noble families,
1973
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:33.720
usually not necessarily the eldest sons, but like the minor aristocrats,
1974
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:37.279
who were more or less sent out into the wilderness
1975
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:40.239
to live for a period of time during the year.
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Typically it was around six months or something like that.
1977
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:46.760
A lot of times this stuff was closely related to
1978
01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:50.720
the winter solstices and the summer solstices and all that
1979
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.640
kind of stuff. Usually celebrations New Years and so forth.
1980
01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.319
But a lot of times they sent the lads out
1981
01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:02.960
at a time when the weather wasn't especially good, food
1982
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:03.680
was scarce.
1983
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So now you know, the.
1984
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Elders in the city will be well provided for, and
1985
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:16.319
coincidentally too, there will also be a greater ratio of
1986
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:19.600
women to men as well. While most of the men
1987
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in the prime of their youth have been sent outside
1988
01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:24.520
of the city, and more or less they had to
1989
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.560
survive out there on the land. They foreboded all their
1990
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:31.600
possessions other than their weapons, and the big thing that
1991
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.119
they did, you know, were basically violate social warms. They
1992
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:39.600
would go out, they would steal, they would murder, they
1993
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:42.439
would rape, they would pill each other villages. That was
1994
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.840
really the big the only real restraint. You didn't, you know,
1995
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.800
loose your home village. You didn't attack the community that
1996
01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:54.199
came from, but every other community was fair game. And
1997
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these guys were usually trained in military tactics. Typically there
1998
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:01.800
were a couple of it that were out there with
1999
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.800
them too, who were sort of like the keepers of
2000
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:08.840
this tradition, and they would train them in military tactics
2001
01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:13.000
and so forth, so that when they you know, when
2002
01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:16.560
the city or whatever went to war, formally you would
2003
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.520
usually have like the conventional forces, and then these kids
2004
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:23.439
would be used as essentially proto kind of special operations forces.
2005
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.319
They would engage and you know, what we think of
2006
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:27.239
now is like unconventional warfare.
2007
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During what time period was this again, this is.
2008
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:34.600
Very early, man, This is like gosh, I mean, I
2009
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.640
got this would have been like at the dawn really
2010
01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:40.600
of civilization around India, you know, like in the very
2011
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:46.279
this is like theoretically before the Brahmins, the priests class
2012
01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:51.600
had even really become like the highest stratosphere of society,
2013
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.880
if you will, you know, because there are some theories
2014
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:57.840
again it's it's been debated, but it's kind of thought
2015
01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:01.319
that originally the warrior cast the highest one and they
2016
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.880
were sort of more these you know, kind of Jedi
2017
01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:06.960
or Sith like you know, warrior monks or something to
2018
01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:09.319
that effect. And then it was only later that the
2019
01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:12.880
Brahmins were elevated above them. But this would have been
2020
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:16.000
in sort of the era where the warrior cast really
2021
01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:18.960
had president and you had you know, sort of like
2022
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:24.279
the former military units like in later you know, kind
2023
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:27.079
of setups like this. It was this institution was really
2024
01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.640
being in Sparta, for instance, and Sparta, you had like
2025
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.079
the former Hopolites, and then you head to their own
2026
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:35.359
version of the Curios who would have been like these
2027
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:38.119
kids who were like the Gorilla fighters and so forth
2028
01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:40.920
that would have been used. And it's kind of interesting,
2029
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.319
you know, with like this this spiritual dynamic, you know,
2030
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:46.279
if you want to get into it, maybe going back
2031
01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:50.520
to the earlier times, you could almost see the conventional
2032
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:52.800
forces as being kind of like the Jedi Knights, and
2033
01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:55.359
then these guys would be more like the Sith or something,
2034
01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:58.720
because they were kind of doing the dark side of combat,
2035
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:03.800
the night side of and another one of the things
2036
01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:06.600
that they were known for, and this is sort of
2037
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:09.359
where the berserk, the you know, the tradition of the
2038
01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:13.439
warrior preservers of Norse culture comes from, is that they
2039
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:20.760
fought naked, except for frequently they would drape themselves in
2040
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:25.760
wolf skins, okay. And another thing they would do in
2041
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:28.920
combat in a lot of cases would be to take
2042
01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:33.720
some kind of psychedelic before they went into combat, because
2043
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:37.640
what they actually wanted to do was be possessed by
2044
01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:41.000
a god when they were going into the field of battle.
2045
01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:42.760
And that you know, in taking some kind of like
2046
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:46.039
mushroom was usually seen as the easiest way of accomplishing this.
2047
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.000
I mean, obviously there were a lot of other you know,
2048
01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:50.680
depending upon the culture. I mean, sometimes they would go
2049
01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:54.439
into self harm or dance movements, fasting, I mean, all
2050
01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:57.039
kinds of things that would put them in an altered
2051
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:00.439
state of consciousness. But I mean, you know, you wanted
2052
01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.199
to be possessed by something like aris or dionics or
2053
01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:07.640
something like that when you were going into battle from
2054
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.920
the perspective like maybe the Greco Roman world, and you know,
2055
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:16.199
these guys were basically described as fighting, you know, just uncontrollably.
2056
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:17.760
I mean, like I said, this is where the whole
2057
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:20.880
tradition of the berserkers were, you know, coming from. They
2058
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:23.520
thought they were possessed, and I mean obviously they would
2059
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.359
have struck by a sight. I mean, these were all
2060
01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:28.640
young men in the prime of their use. They would
2061
01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:31.439
have been draped out and these wolf skins tripping out
2062
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:35.439
with their axes and stuff like that, and it kind
2063
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:39.319
of goes into the tradition of the werewolves. I mean
2064
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:41.359
a lot of people think that this is maybe where
2065
01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:44.319
it initially came from. But I'm kind of reminded of
2066
01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:47.880
what you were talking about because sometimes you know, people
2067
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:51.800
would report seeing them in battle turning into wolves and whatnot.
2068
01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:55.399
So it's kind of like a question of like, were
2069
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.359
they really being possessed by something, and maybe in the
2070
01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:02.079
context of battle, because i mean obviously, you know, even
2071
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.920
soldiers going into you know, combat that aren't tripping or whatever,
2072
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:07.840
I mean, they get wounded. I mean, they get you know,
2073
01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.640
overheated and stuff like that. There's plenty of things, you know,
2074
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:12.560
shell shock and all the kinds of stuff they could
2075
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:15.560
potentially send them into an altered state of consciousness as well,
2076
01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:19.920
so they possibly catching the glimps of maybe what was
2077
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:24.920
entering into these forces, what was controlling though, who knows.
2078
01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:26.479
But it's interesting it.
2079
01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.399
Kind of links with the skin walker lore as well.
2080
01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:33.520
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it's especially interesting because from what
2081
01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:37.960
we can tell, the original deity for this seems to
2082
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:40.359
have been a kind of like wolf god that was
2083
01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:42.800
worshiped in a lot of cases. And this is why
2084
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:47.680
it's kind of believed that a reoccurring custom was to
2085
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:54.800
sacrifice wolves or dogs from these warriors, and earlier times
2086
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.760
it may well have been that, you know, there from
2087
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:00.720
what we can tell, there was this strange kind of
2088
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.760
game that came from India that they would do. It
2089
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.920
was sort of a dice game involving nuts or something
2090
01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:10.239
like that, and you would have like a stack of
2091
01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:12.800
fifty that you would put down, you would grab handfuls
2092
01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:14.640
at a time, and whoever was left with I think
2093
01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:18.800
wand or something like that would have basically become like
2094
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:21.159
the leader and he would be inhabited by the Wolf
2095
01:37:21.239 --> 01:37:26.359
God and then he would be ritualistically sacrificed. But it's
2096
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:29.479
interesting because the person who killed him was sort of
2097
01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:33.319
known basically as the dog Killer and he became a
2098
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:37.439
sort of scapegoat esque figure almost by killing the Wolf God,
2099
01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:39.319
he would take on the sins of the rest of
2100
01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:44.239
the warriors. Effectively, it kind of becomes like an antagonistic figure.
2101
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:48.600
And just if you guys have ever seen Under the
2102
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:50.880
Silver Lake, I'm guessing a lot of people listening to
2103
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:54.520
this probably have. Yeah, I very much think that the
2104
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:57.560
whole dog Killer stuff in that movie is a reference
2105
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:02.079
to this actually, So there's a lot of Koopers of
2106
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:03.840
about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2107
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:07.399
Well, moving a little bit forward in history, there's some
2108
01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:11.319
connections with the Roman festival of Lupercalia.
2109
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:13.960
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, first it kind of goes
2110
01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:18.000
into the whole concept of Arcadia, which was a city
2111
01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:23.560
state in Greece, very fascinating place on a lot of levels.
2112
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:29.479
On the one hand, this is in tradition where worship
2113
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:33.760
of Pan originated from, which I found very interesting, among
2114
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:38.279
other things, because Pan has enjoyed such a robust resurgence
2115
01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:41.119
in the modern world. I mean especially you know, in
2116
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:43.920
like the whole sort of how You're Penny royal crowd.
2117
01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:45.800
But it seems like you can see more and more
2118
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:49.479
of Pan and a lot of other contexts in recent years.
2119
01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:55.439
But anyway, Pan theoretically originated from Arcadia, and there were
2120
01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:03.800
these other traditions were handed down essentially that the mountain there,
2121
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:06.720
I can't remember what it's called now off the top
2122
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:11.319
of my head, but that this had been the original
2123
01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:16.039
place that the gods had inhabited before they had gone
2124
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.600
to Olympus. Because historically there had also been the sort
2125
01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:22.800
of versions of Zeus and Apollo that were linked to
2126
01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:28.760
Arcadia as well. But as the story goes, the king
2127
01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:34.520
of Arkadi, Lai Khan, had decided to offer up a
2128
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:39.840
very unique sacrifice to Zeus. He decided to sacrifice his
2129
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.399
own son and then hannibalize him and a beast for
2130
01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:48.920
Zeus and the other gods. And Zeus was so outraged
2131
01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:53.479
by this that turned La Khan into a wolf. And
2132
01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:57.079
that was sort of where the whole Greek tradition of
2133
01:39:57.399 --> 01:40:02.439
the wherewolf originated from. From what we can tell, the
2134
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:06.960
three principal ditis deities of Arcadia, and they all sort
2135
01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:09.840
of had this like voice honorific at the end of
2136
01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:12.560
their names, Pan like voice, whose like voice of po
2137
01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:19.079
like voice. They seem like they were basically different representations
2138
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:21.920
or personas of what had been the original god there,
2139
01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:25.880
which was again essentially more of a wolf like god.
2140
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:29.720
It kind of, you know, kind of plays into some
2141
01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.600
of the different depictions of Pan too. I mean, usually
2142
01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:37.239
Pan is depicted as sort of like a goat human hybrid,
2143
01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.920
but there's definitely the kind of wolf version of Pan
2144
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:44.680
as well that you periodically see. I think that's kind
2145
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:50.279
of a remnant from an older tradition involving Pan. But yeah,
2146
01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:54.720
I mean it's a fascinating thing. So you had like
2147
01:40:54.840 --> 01:41:00.439
this whole custom of you know, this belief that there
2148
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:04.800
have been human sacrifice committed at Arcadia, and this was
2149
01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:08.359
pretty widely held in the ancient world. I mean Plato,
2150
01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.319
for instance, gets into this in the Republic, and there
2151
01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:15.680
are several other prominent historical sources that address it, which
2152
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:19.399
is interesting because I mean, Arcadia is so revered really
2153
01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:22.720
just so many different scenes throughout the world. I mean,
2154
01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:27.359
there's always been this obsession with recreating the new Arcadia.
2155
01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:31.720
Of course, there's the famous painting from the Renaissance with
2156
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:35.520
the two shepherds and the skulls on a part in
2157
01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:40.560
a two Arcadia or something like that. But yeah, so
2158
01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:44.560
it's something that's very much phyxiated Western culture for a
2159
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:49.239
long time, and it's very closely tied to the Wearwolkness,
2160
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:52.319
and as I came to find out, it was also
2161
01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:59.640
very closely tied to ancient Rome as well. In some traditions,
2162
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:05.119
Vander who was an Arcadian, relocated to Italy and settled
2163
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:09.199
in the region that is now Rome, and he built
2164
01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:13.439
a town. It was a Citian or something like that.
2165
01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:16.439
I can't recall at the top of my head. It
2166
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:21.920
was by the Palatine Hill. And this was supposedly, you know,
2167
01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:24.560
the guy who brought the worship of the Greek gods
2168
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:26.920
and the Greek the laws and the Greek alphabet and
2169
01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.640
all this other stuff to Italy. I mean he's you know,
2170
01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:33.279
I mean, almost like a Hermes type figure or something
2171
01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:37.840
like that in ancient Rome. And this led to a
2172
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:44.560
lot of interesting traditions around the Palatine Hill. To put
2173
01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:48.439
it mildly, of course, it later became really closely tied
2174
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:52.640
to Romulus and Remis, which I'll get to in a second.
2175
01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:56.279
But there was a cave there the Luver Cow I
2176
01:42:56.439 --> 01:43:00.439
think that had been there for a very long time,
2177
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:04.760
and it was said to be sacred to Pan. But
2178
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:07.960
this was the Roman version of Pan. It was known
2179
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:12.319
as Faunas, and it was kind of perceived is almost
2180
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:15.439
like this hidden god of Rome, like he was really
2181
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:18.960
big in the early days, but they didn't like talking
2182
01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:25.640
about him. It's very interesting. And later it was said
2183
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:29.479
that the she wolf that suckled Romulus to read us
2184
01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.840
lived out of this same cave. So it's also again
2185
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:38.239
this sort of connection with wolves and this Pan like figure,
2186
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.920
where it kind of seems like in the original incarnation
2187
01:43:42.159 --> 01:43:44.720
it was probably more of a wolf god than maybe
2188
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:48.199
a goat human hybrid or maybe even something more keen
2189
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.560
to a rare wolf or something to that effect. And
2190
01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:55.880
another interesting thing about the Palatine though, too, is eventually
2191
01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.720
well from very early on. They had a shrine at
2192
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:07.479
the time to Victoria, who is essentially Palace Athenia slash
2193
01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:13.760
Minerva and her you know, warrior goddess persona. Of course,
2194
01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:16.840
she's later been adopted as the model for Columbia and
2195
01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:21.279
a lot of other contemporary things which we'll probably get
2196
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:25.000
to here in a little bit. But her big shrine
2197
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:27.600
in ancient Rome was at the top of the Palatine Hill,
2198
01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:34.039
and there was a lot of notoriety around the newer
2199
01:44:34.119 --> 01:44:36.680
one that they put up around two ninety six BC.
2200
01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:41.760
This was occurring during the time I think they were
2201
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.479
at war with the Gauls, but I can't remember exactly.
2202
01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:48.760
But anyway, the Romans were basically getting their asses kicked.
2203
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:52.960
So you know you're getting your ass kick in war, right,
2204
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:55.399
who you're going to look to, Well, you're gonna look
2205
01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:58.760
to Victoria, I mean, the goddess of war victory obviously.
2206
01:44:59.079 --> 01:45:02.920
So we've offered up all the sacrifices we can think of.
2207
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:05.479
We've done the bulls and the goats and all this
2208
01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:12.079
other shit. Nothing's working. So well, there's one thing that
2209
01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:17.479
we could try. We could sacrifice somebody. I mean, we're
2210
01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.840
building the new Temple up there, you know, I means
2211
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:26.239
human sacrifices to consecrate a new building. I've always been popular. Well, oh,
2212
01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:27.920
what do we got to lose? I mean, we're getting
2213
01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:31.239
slaughtered in the field of battle. Why not, That's what
2214
01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.640
they did. Yeah, we've even found evidence of that, with
2215
01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:37.760
bodies being recovered there in a cemetery that appears to
2216
01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:40.840
have been very basically to have like marble or something
2217
01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:42.680
put over it that they were trying to cover up.
2218
01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:47.359
So this is one of the only times in Roman
2219
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.039
history that we know of where they actually engaged in
2220
01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:55.520
human sacrifice, and it became a really taboo and touching
2221
01:45:55.640 --> 01:45:59.479
thing for the Romans for here on out. And this also,
2222
01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:02.000
you know, kind of appears to have been the time
2223
01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:06.159
when the the Romulus and the Remus meet, those really
2224
01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:10.359
starts to emerge as well, establishing them as the founders
2225
01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:15.960
of Rome. And there's some speculation that Romulus murdering his
2226
01:46:16.119 --> 01:46:23.479
brother Remus was a kind of cultural or a kind
2227
01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:26.600
of memory, if you will, when they had done these sacrifices,
2228
01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:29.319
these human sacrifices on top of the palatine, you know,
2229
01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:34.640
kind of the cultural trauma that the budding Roman society
2230
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:37.680
experience through going through that process, because it was something
2231
01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:40.199
even for years afterwards, it was like kind of debated,
2232
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.159
you know, should we have really have done that because
2233
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:45.479
they kind of continue to have misfortunes afterwards, and I
2234
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:48.520
was just thinking like, well, maybe the human sacrifice thing
2235
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:51.399
really wasn't that good of an ideal after all. So
2236
01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:54.479
getting into like this the you know, the whole tradition
2237
01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:58.239
around like Romulus and Remus and what have you. So
2238
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.479
one of the things that Romulus did was established like
2239
01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:08.279
an order of equats or knights or something like that,
2240
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:13.039
which were closely associated with him. You know, again, these
2241
01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:16.279
were guys like on horseback and so forth, and they
2242
01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:23.560
were not necessarily given the most romanticized depictions and historical
2243
01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:27.359
accounts even you know, among the Romans themselves. They were
2244
01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.960
basically described as brigands who went around the countryside mooting
2245
01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:35.359
and pillaging other city states. And this would have been
2246
01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:40.039
the group Romulus also theoretically led to carry off the
2247
01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:43.000
sivine women, I think is what it was called, you know,
2248
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:45.560
the women that they essentially stole from this other city
2249
01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:48.640
state and then raped and impregnated and turned into their
2250
01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:52.680
wives so that they could repopulate row or something to
2251
01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:59.520
that effect. So there's a lot of striking parallels to
2252
01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:04.079
the sort of mythological foundation or to the mythos around
2253
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:10.039
Romulus that seems to eerily parallel you know, the tradition
2254
01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:12.199
of the heroes or the Minner Book or whatever you
2255
01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:14.079
want to call it. I mean, especially with the close
2256
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:16.600
association with wolves, the fact that he was suckled on
2257
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:18.920
the wolf of the carrion birds, all this other kind
2258
01:48:18.920 --> 01:48:25.800
of stuff. So the thinking is possibly that there really
2259
01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:29.760
was this connection to Arcadia because again Arcadia, because the
2260
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:31.520
fact that there seems to have been a wolf god
2261
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:34.159
or something like that. It might have also been related
2262
01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:37.640
to these traditions because one of the things sort of
2263
01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:41.399
going way back is that besides going out and pillaging,
2264
01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:45.479
you know, in some cases, you know, these these warrior bands,
2265
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.560
you know, were never even allowed to return home, so
2266
01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:50.720
they would just establish like their own colonies and so forth,
2267
01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:53.520
and then you know, they would kick their sons out
2268
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:56.000
and they would go out and establish their colonies and
2269
01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.800
so on and so forth. So I mean, it's kind
2270
01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:01.000
of you know, some thinking like when you had the
2271
01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:04.359
I think it was the Dorians who invaded ancient Greece
2272
01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:07.000
and really kind of fundamentally changed the culture. There's a
2273
01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:10.000
lot of thinking that they came from the steeps and
2274
01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:13.640
they were part of the sort of Indo European cultural milieu.
2275
01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:16.760
Maybe this was an instance that these men or buns
2276
01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:20.119
coming into a region and starting new colonies or taking
2277
01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:23.079
over city states, and this process might have been on
2278
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:28.079
going for centuries, which is why this institution seems to
2279
01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:31.800
appear over and over again throughout Europe and the Near
2280
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:35.600
East and all these other places. So it raises the
2281
01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:38.800
possibility that Arcadia was a colony that was set up
2282
01:49:38.840 --> 01:49:44.560
in this fashion, and possibly Rome too. So was there
2283
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:47.560
evidence of that going into more recent times and it
2284
01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:51.079
definitely seems like there was, And that was in the Lubricala,
2285
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.760
which was a really big festival that the Romans had
2286
01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:59.840
on February fifteenth in our calendar, and then they had
2287
01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:01.680
kind of an additional one that would have been on
2288
01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:06.560
February seventeenth, which was dedicated to Quintreus. I think that
2289
01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:10.920
was Romulus and his sort of deified god form or
2290
01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:16.880
something like that. But the tradition with that was very fascinating. Essentially,
2291
01:50:18.479 --> 01:50:21.880
as it went, Romulus had set up these two collegio
2292
01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:25.680
which were still in existence well up into the time
2293
01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:27.680
of season I think, I mean it pretty much continued
2294
01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:30.640
into the conversion of Christianity. If you had these two
2295
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:34.039
collegia or colleges, whatever you want to call them. They're
2296
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:37.560
overseen by these respective magistrates, and they had always been
2297
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:43.439
associated specifically with these two noble Roman families, the fabe
2298
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:47.640
I and the Quintias, I think because how it was pronounced.
2299
01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:54.439
So these two families very old Roman nobility, and they
2300
01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:58.439
would continue to play significant roles in the Republic and
2301
01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:02.079
the Empire I think much up to I mean almost
2302
01:51:02.119 --> 01:51:04.520
the time of Constantine that we go of and who
2303
01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:07.600
goes I mean, this might be one of these two
2304
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:11.039
instances of these Roman families that never totally left us.
2305
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:17.119
But whatever. So these guys are for almost time immortal
2306
01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:20.399
associated with these two colleges, and they're the ones that
2307
01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:25.239
are tasked with overseeing Libercli, this big festival. And it's
2308
01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.279
very interesting. These colleges were pretty much made up exclusively
2309
01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:32.359
women between the ages of twenty and forty and when
2310
01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:36.720
they did the Libercli, they would sacrifice a goat, which
2311
01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:38.880
is very interesting, and then they would go around the
2312
01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:45.399
streets with it's not quite whips, but something kind of
2313
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:47.319
similar to that, and they would go out and just
2314
01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:51.319
randomly start striking people and stuff, and especially women. Women
2315
01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:54.800
were usually singled out, especially targeting and things like that.
2316
01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:57.680
And we kind of think that this was sort of
2317
01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:00.439
like a reenactment of how these warrior band would have
2318
01:52:00.479 --> 01:52:02.279
been back in the old days. You know, they would
2319
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.319
have done their sacrifices and then they would have gone
2320
01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:06.239
out and assaulted people. Of course, back then they would
2321
01:52:06.239 --> 01:52:08.159
have you actually gone out and raped them or something
2322
01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:10.199
like that. But you know, I mean this is the
2323
01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:12.560
refinement of it. Now we just go around and whip them,
2324
01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:18.399
you know, like yeah, yeah, so yeah. The lubricalis seems
2325
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:21.119
like it's the fact that it was a very ancient
2326
01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:23.920
Roman festival, it was connected to two of the oldest
2327
01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:29.000
aristocratic families who had overseen it or just centuries seems
2328
01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:34.560
to strongly indicate that there was this interesting time that
2329
01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:37.119
Rome may well have begun as a colony of a
2330
01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:40.039
curos band or something like that, and they had these
2331
01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:43.800
traditions of this sort of primordial wolf god that was
2332
01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:48.000
later kind of grafted on a pan worship, and.
2333
01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:52.600
There may have been different groups or secret societies that
2334
01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.079
brought this tradition over in the New World.
2335
01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:58.640
Well, yes, that's when we get into one of my
2336
01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:04.560
personal favorites, known as the Society of Cincinnati. It was
2337
01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:08.920
the first Chevric order established in the United States, right
2338
01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:14.039
after the country he had basically gained its independence from Britain.
2339
01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.520
Set up by George Washington himself and a lot of
2340
01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:22.720
the officers who had engaged in his Continental Army. And
2341
01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:26.479
it was originally structured where you could only get in
2342
01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:30.319
by being a hereditary member of the families of the
2343
01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:34.239
officers in his army, though later it was amended to
2344
01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:39.119
also let in honorary members. And there were quite a
2345
01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:43.279
few major figures in early America that were in this.
2346
01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:47.000
It was really quite aristocratic. I mean, besides Washington, you
2347
01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:52.159
also had like Alexander Hamilton, Andrew Jackson was later admitted
2348
01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.520
and to it. A lot of like the big Dutch
2349
01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:59.359
banking families, like the von Rosensteins I think, and the
2350
01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:03.640
Living Stones, the Skylars, I mean, all of these families
2351
01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:06.119
were part of it. The Huntington family, which was just
2352
01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:09.920
instrumental really they're actually probably still a power to this day,
2353
01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:14.319
but they were huge and creating Mormonism. Skull and Bones
2354
01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:17.239
just a lot of other of these groups. But this
2355
01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:20.840
is really the beginning I think of a lot of
2356
01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:25.520
the major you know, New World dynasties here, and you
2357
01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:28.840
would later see groups like the DuPonts and the Vanderbilts
2358
01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.680
also brought into the Society of Cincinnati. In fact, the
2359
01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:37.720
Society of Cincinnati's headquarters in Washington, d c. Is right
2360
01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.239
there into Pont Circle, which is really interesting.
2361
01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:44.880
You wonder how many of these groups kept human sacrifice
2362
01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:46.920
as a part of the tradition there.
2363
01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:50.680
Well, actually I just did a whole thing on how
2364
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.840
I think Alexander the Burr Hamilton du because Aaron Burr
2365
01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:56.680
was also a member of the Society of Cincinnati, and
2366
01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:00.520
I actually do think that the Burr Hamilton du was
2367
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.520
a kind of ritualistic sacrifice that was based on that
2368
01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:06.800
whole concept I was just telling you of the dog Killer,
2369
01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:09.680
because I mean, Burr almost took on that whole sort
2370
01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:13.720
of persona of like the national scapegoat. But it's really
2371
01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:16.319
fascinating because again, there were so many members of the
2372
01:55:16.399 --> 01:55:19.560
Society of Cincinnati that were involved in that. And actually,
2373
01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:25.439
like literally the week before Burn Hamilton fought the duel,
2374
01:55:25.479 --> 01:55:29.239
when they had already agreed to the duel. When they
2375
01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:32.640
were supposedly in the midst of this feud, they went
2376
01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:36.479
to a party the Society of Cincinnati was thrown for
2377
01:55:36.600 --> 01:55:40.600
fourth of July, and they literally sat right next to
2378
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.720
each other at the table, both in places of honor,
2379
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.039
and they did seventeen toasts if you know, the taro
2380
01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:51.039
deck seventeenth closely associated with dogs because of the star
2381
01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:52.119
card Aunamus and.
2382
01:55:52.119 --> 01:55:52.600
What have you.
2383
01:55:53.319 --> 01:55:55.720
And then at one point Hamilton got up and he
2384
01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:59.800
sang a tune that was popularly known as Wolf's Song
2385
01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.039
to the audience gathered around. And it's interesting because Hamilton
2386
01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:06.399
was in a really good mood for this, whereas Burr
2387
01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:12.439
was uncharacteristically booty and silent. But there's just a lot
2388
01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:15.640
of fascinating stuff with this. And the Society of Cincinnati
2389
01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:21.039
is a big deal. It was behind creating the Federalist Party,
2390
01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:23.600
which was the first, you know, real political party in
2391
01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:27.199
the country, and then later it gained quite a considerable
2392
01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:33.159
foothold of the Democratic Republicans too, I mean Washington, John Adams,
2393
01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:37.680
Thomas Jefferson, their administrations, which is dominated by Society of
2394
01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:42.600
Cincinnati members. The Society of Cincinnati was actually really big
2395
01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:46.560
and pushing the Illuminati scare in New England, and that
2396
01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.680
went into all the intrigues with their French section which
2397
01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:55.560
they had, and people like Lafayette and Piercely Fond, you know,
2398
01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:58.279
the designer of Washington d c. Were all members of
2399
01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:03.239
the Society of Cincinnati's Friends section, but overwhelmingly they were
2400
01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:05.520
all drawn from the ranks of the Knights of Malta,
2401
01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:08.399
like the you know, the actual Knights of Malta, going
2402
01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:10.560
back to the Knights Hospital or of what have you.
2403
01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:14.520
So this is the Society of Cincinnati's French section, and
2404
01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:18.239
during this time II, during the French Revolution, I mean,
2405
01:57:18.279 --> 01:57:20.720
there were a lot of intrigues playing out between them
2406
01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:24.800
and members of the Illuminati over there. So it's really
2407
01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:27.520
fascinating that in the States, you know, you had members
2408
01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:29.920
of the Society of Cincinnati that were whipping up the
2409
01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.960
Illuminati scare in the country and just all kinds of
2410
01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:36.840
other insane stuff. But I mean, they seemed to have
2411
01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:41.479
basically have been the ones who started Shay's rebellion, because
2412
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:44.479
besides the fact that the officers who put down Shay's
2413
01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:47.279
rebellion were all Society of Cincinnati members, almost all of
2414
01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:51.840
Shay's like upper Eptrol officers were Society of Cincinnati members too,
2415
01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:56.199
and this provided the pretext for the Constitutional convention that
2416
01:57:56.359 --> 01:58:00.319
led to the Constitution. I mean, that's possibly the first
2417
01:58:00.399 --> 01:58:03.000
real false flag in the history of the country. It
2418
01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.520
was used to bring about the Constitution. In this group,
2419
01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:08.560
the society since names at the heart of this. This
2420
01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:10.960
is something like my Patreon section I've done a ton
2421
01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.760
of work on if you guys are more interested in this,
2422
01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:17.359
but it's it's a really fascinating topic. But okay, so
2423
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:22.840
where did this Society of Cincinnati get its name from. Well,
2424
01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:29.479
it took it from a Roman general who was supposedly
2425
01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:32.600
revered by these officers because he was made a dictator
2426
01:58:32.680 --> 01:58:35.479
in Rome. And Rome periodically when they appointed somebody to
2427
01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:37.960
be a dictator, it was basically to be a military
2428
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.399
pooh bob, you know. I mean, the city was really
2429
01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:44.880
being threatened. You had one guy who basically took over
2430
01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:48.720
management of everything so he could mobilize the entire community
2431
01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:51.920
for war and you get this taken care of. And
2432
01:58:52.039 --> 01:58:55.880
that's what this guy, Cincinnatus did. He was supposedly, you know,
2433
01:58:56.039 --> 01:58:59.359
this patriarch or Astocraig who had his farms out of
2434
01:58:59.399 --> 01:59:02.640
the country, side, and they appointed him dictator, and he
2435
01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:05.159
assumed absolute power over Rome. And he went out and
2436
01:59:05.239 --> 01:59:08.000
he beat the shit out of this one barbarian horde.
2437
01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:09.840
And then he came back and he gave up all
2438
01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:12.159
his powers, and he went back to Plowy's fields and
2439
01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:17.560
buck his slaves. And he was always revered in ancient
2440
01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:23.199
Rome and then later the United States amongst the founding fathers.
2441
01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:26.520
But see, it's really interesting because its full name was
2442
01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:31.479
Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus, and he was a member of that
2443
01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:35.199
same family that ran one of the colleges for the Lubricala,
2444
01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:38.399
which means he would have been part of the Lupricia,
2445
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:41.640
the brother of the Wolf. And the fact that he
2446
01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:44.319
was considered one of the major patriarchs of that family
2447
01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:51.800
also raises the strong possibility that he was even a magistrate,
2448
01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:54.560
which was essentially the equivalent of a grand master in
2449
01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:59.560
these colleges. So when you start kind of sitting back
2450
01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:01.840
and looking at the society of Cincinnati, because if you'll
2451
02:00:01.920 --> 02:00:06.319
recall Romulus, you know, instituted his own order of knighthood
2452
02:00:07.039 --> 02:00:10.239
and Rome they were known as the Equats or something
2453
02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:12.399
like that. I know, I'm butchering the pronunciation on that,
2454
02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:16.079
but you know, later on I kind of think that
2455
02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:21.760
the European orders of knighthood were essentially attempts to recreate
2456
02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:24.720
the whole concept of the Manorbund. I mean that's I
2457
02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.479
don't want to get like two do you know, too
2458
02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:28.840
far sidetracked with that, But I mean there's always been
2459
02:00:28.920 --> 02:00:32.640
like this close association with this kind of thing. So
2460
02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:37.039
I had begun to wonder where, you know, officers in
2461
02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:42.479
Washington's military aware of these kinds of connections. And even
2462
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:46.199
before I had started to make these associations with Hamilton,
2463
02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:50.479
I had gone to the Society of Cincinnati's headquarters of
2464
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:53.640
DC to look around, and it was just overwhelming with
2465
02:00:53.760 --> 02:00:56.279
some of the occult and stuff that they got in there.
2466
02:00:57.119 --> 02:01:02.439
It really is. But one thing that really stood out
2467
02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:06.920
to me were these series of tapestries that they had up,
2468
02:01:08.079 --> 02:01:11.840
and it's showing this goddess with her hounds, whom I
2469
02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:15.000
would say is supposed to be Columbia, because they've got
2470
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.760
stuff to Columbia alreyone in this place and she's hunting
2471
02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:23.239
pan And this is really weird because again, you know,
2472
02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:28.239
in the classical miss this would be Artamus and she
2473
02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:31.039
would have gotten her dogs from Pan Pan was like
2474
02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:34.960
her close ally, and there's just going around hunting him.
2475
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:39.960
But and for a long time I had puzzled over this,
2476
02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:44.039
you know, but they had these relief really prominently displayed,
2477
02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:45.680
and I mean there's kind of hints of this stuff
2478
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:49.600
at other things that they have up throughout the headquarters.
2479
02:01:49.680 --> 02:01:53.439
And kept wonder why this this particular image. And then
2480
02:01:53.479 --> 02:01:57.119
when I had started though looking into the lubricala the
2481
02:01:57.159 --> 02:01:59.079
stuff that was happening with that. I mean, if you'll
2482
02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:04.880
recall the sacrificed goat, okay, and the colleges are based
2483
02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:07.319
out of the Palatine Hill right around the Looper Cow
2484
02:02:07.520 --> 02:02:09.640
the cave, and you know where the shet wolf was,
2485
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:11.479
the one that was sacred to fawn Us and what
2486
02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:17.880
have you. And you've got the shrine to Victoria atop
2487
02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:24.439
this hill where they actually did do the human sacrifices, right,
2488
02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:30.399
So it kind of begs the question, you know, what
2489
02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:33.600
was this tradition of the goat's sacrifice based off of?
2490
02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:36.640
Was it possibly like an earlier one that also involved
2491
02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:40.800
human sacrifice, but it seems like it also involved you know,
2492
02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:43.680
Pan later on. But if you sort of follow what
2493
02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:46.439
I've been suggesting here that in the early versions of
2494
02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:48.760
like the Heiros, where you would have the leader who
2495
02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:50.880
would take on the persona of the wolf god, and
2496
02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:53.399
then there would be the dog killer kind of makes
2497
02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:56.840
more sense, like you know, somebody was eventually at some
2498
02:02:56.960 --> 02:02:59.399
point would take on the persona of Pan and fawn us,
2499
02:02:59.479 --> 02:03:01.600
you know, the go god, and they would be killed,
2500
02:03:01.640 --> 02:03:04.000
and then later it just sort of became a simple goat.
2501
02:03:06.520 --> 02:03:08.920
But yeah, yeah, so that kind of is what I
2502
02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:12.399
think was being in it Ad in his tapestry c
2503
02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:16.000
in DC. And again, it's really interesting with the Deponds
2504
02:03:16.079 --> 02:03:19.279
because if you've ever been to the Noirs estate that
2505
02:03:19.399 --> 02:03:22.560
they've got in Wilmingham, Delaware, where our current president is
2506
02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:25.600
having so many issues with certain documents that he stored
2507
02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:28.479
in his house there, this is state. They have this
2508
02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:31.039
garden there that's insane. I mean one side of it,
2509
02:03:31.119 --> 02:03:34.319
you've got Diana the Huntress there, and I mean it's
2510
02:03:34.439 --> 02:03:37.680
just a full on shrine to the celestial hunt and
2511
02:03:37.800 --> 02:03:42.279
what have you. So you know, again I have to
2512
02:03:42.439 --> 02:03:46.119
just keep concluding that these families were aware of these
2513
02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:49.000
traditions because the celestial hunt, I mean, it's also very
2514
02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:51.159
closely connected with the men or buns and all this
2515
02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:55.640
other stuff. And again a lot of the rumors about
2516
02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:57.600
some of the communities in that area. I'm not going
2517
02:03:57.680 --> 02:04:00.960
to get into it, but there's been in the Wilmington
2518
02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:04.359
area a lot of speculation for years that there was
2519
02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:07.119
some very shady stuff with kids.
2520
02:04:06.920 --> 02:04:13.079
That went on there, drasticking called satanic ritualistic type of
2521
02:04:13.159 --> 02:04:13.800
things going on.
2522
02:04:15.039 --> 02:04:19.039
I've been to a spot in that region that was
2523
02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:24.039
very unnerving. It's a park that it's a public park
2524
02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:27.399
that has no actual parking for it. I'm not going
2525
02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:31.600
to name names, but I went back into this it
2526
02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:34.319
was just absolutely decked out in the trees with a
2527
02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:38.239
lot of the cult markings. And this is a very
2528
02:04:39.720 --> 02:04:41.279
This park is kind of like in the middle of
2529
02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:43.359
a suburb. And we went out there like in the
2530
02:04:43.399 --> 02:04:46.920
early morning. It was very cold out. There's nobody out
2531
02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:50.279
of this park. There's no public parking or anything around there.
2532
02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:52.680
And within you know, like about ten minutes of us
2533
02:04:53.359 --> 02:04:56.000
going wandering around and there, like I mean ten fifteen,
2534
02:04:56.119 --> 02:04:58.680
people were just like sort of wondering by us and
2535
02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:02.880
what have you. I mean almost instantly, So it was
2536
02:05:02.960 --> 02:05:05.279
definitely like a place very much and even felt like,
2537
02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:07.319
you know, we were kind of being watched. It was
2538
02:05:07.439 --> 02:05:11.920
just it's kind of like it's a public area, don't
2539
02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:19.359
really you know, one outsiders here, you know. Just so yeah,
2540
02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:21.800
I mean these the DuPonts were later brought into the
2541
02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:24.720
Society of Cincinnati, but these are the kinds of milieu
2542
02:05:24.880 --> 02:05:27.720
that are connected to them. And yeah, there's there's a
2543
02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:30.359
lot of weird stuff with that. And I mean, I'll
2544
02:05:30.399 --> 02:05:32.520
do you one better, you know, I mean some of
2545
02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:35.399
the stuff with the mounds, right, So this is another
2546
02:05:35.520 --> 02:05:39.199
thing the Society of Cincinnati was absolutely obsessed with because
2547
02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:44.279
they were the group that was really principal, principally responsible
2548
02:05:44.359 --> 02:05:49.079
for settling the Northwest Territory, which included most of modern
2549
02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:55.319
day Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, and so forth. And
2550
02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:59.079
this is also where a lot of the major, or
2551
02:05:59.119 --> 02:06:01.800
at least a lot of them, most impressive mountain structures
2552
02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:03.880
in North America are located. I mean, you've got all
2553
02:06:03.920 --> 02:06:06.600
the effigy mountains of Wisconsin. You've got like the Adena
2554
02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:09.920
and the Hopewell ones in the Ohio Valley area, like
2555
02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:13.079
the Great Serpent Mound and all this other stuff. And
2556
02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:16.680
the Society of Cincinnati led a lot of the colony.
2557
02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:19.479
The groups of colonists out into those areas to set
2558
02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:24.199
up communities. When the Native Americans tried to push back
2559
02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:27.199
with support from the British, it was a Society of
2560
02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:29.760
Cincinnati officers and the army who were sent out there
2561
02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:31.399
to deal with it. In fact, it was good Old
2562
02:06:31.560 --> 02:06:35.319
mad Wayne and his genocidal campaign that allowed us to
2563
02:06:36.399 --> 02:06:39.920
secure I think Michigan. He was a big Society of
2564
02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:44.439
Cincinnati member. They were just huge in setting up all
2565
02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:47.479
of this, and they established a city or a town
2566
02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:52.159
at Marietta, Ohio. They had some of these burial mountains,
2567
02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:56.600
and they established the first mountain preservation society in the
2568
02:06:56.760 --> 02:06:59.800
United States there around the early nineteenth century. I think
2569
02:06:59.840 --> 02:07:01.720
it was like eighteen oh four or something like that,
2570
02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:05.800
and they would continue to play an enormous role at
2571
02:07:06.039 --> 02:07:11.560
excavating and chronically these mountains. George Washington himself was really
2572
02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:15.399
obsessed with this, and he would constantly be getting reports
2573
02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:18.920
in from a lot of Society of Cincinnati members as
2574
02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:22.119
they check them out. And from what I can tell too,
2575
02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:24.880
I mean, you know, this is a really in and
2576
02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:29.119
of itself bizarre topic because the Smithsonian has done a
2577
02:07:29.279 --> 02:07:33.039
lot to cover up what has been found in these mountains.
2578
02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:36.640
For a long time now. I mean really, only a
2579
02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:40.760
handful of people have ever been allowed to go down
2580
02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:45.119
into them since you know, like the nineteenth century, right,
2581
02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:47.279
and it's only been really like a select group of
2582
02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:50.760
archaeologists connected to the Smithsonian who primarily were the ones
2583
02:07:50.800 --> 02:07:53.880
that I AM allowed to excavate them. And I know,
2584
02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:56.560
my college JJA Vance feels strongly that most of those
2585
02:07:56.640 --> 02:08:00.800
guys were connected to the Society of Cincinnati. So you know,
2586
02:08:00.840 --> 02:08:03.279
again it's like the question of like, well, why was
2587
02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:05.760
there all this obsession with the secrecy of this stuff?
2588
02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:09.079
And I mean a lot of people assume that it
2589
02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:13.600
was due to you know, them finding like seven foot
2590
02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:17.840
tall skeletons or you know, punic script or something like
2591
02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:22.119
that in the mounds, but I you know, kind of
2592
02:08:22.159 --> 02:08:25.479
think there might have been a darker purpose to it.
2593
02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:28.000
I think that part of the reason why this has
2594
02:08:28.039 --> 02:08:30.359
been covered up was to cover up the extent of
2595
02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:35.680
the genocide that was committed. And again, you know, if
2596
02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:37.960
you accept that maybe some of these were holy sites
2597
02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.359
to the Native Americans and they decided to do mass
2598
02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:49.720
raves there, but again, it's also a disturbing parallel that
2599
02:08:49.880 --> 02:08:54.640
you control to this Palatine Hill in Rome, where a
2600
02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:57.960
lot of these traditions come from. Because again you have
2601
02:08:58.319 --> 02:09:02.880
this no a human sacrifice on this sagred hill or
2602
02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:08.520
mound dedicated to this goddess Victoria and this manifestation. And
2603
02:09:08.720 --> 02:09:14.000
again the Society of Cincinnati and was Columbia. They named
2604
02:09:14.239 --> 02:09:17.840
the capital of Ohio Columbus. They put it all over
2605
02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:23.119
these areas. So this is something that I have very
2606
02:09:23.239 --> 02:09:27.760
much had to ponder or at least some of these
2607
02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:33.039
mounds sacrificial offerings that had been made, and that's one
2608
02:09:33.079 --> 02:09:37.279
of the reasons why there's been this ongoing obsession with
2609
02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:42.039
covering them up or just doing other bizarre things with them.
2610
02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:44.239
I mean, like in another spot, it was like Mound
2611
02:09:44.359 --> 02:09:49.479
Silly City, which is near Schilikai, Ohio. They this was
2612
02:09:49.640 --> 02:09:52.039
one of the largest mound sites in the whole Ohio
2613
02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:56.760
Valley area, and they totally tore down all of these mountains.
2614
02:09:56.840 --> 02:09:59.439
They later rebuilt like replicas of them, but they tore
2615
02:09:59.560 --> 02:10:03.000
down the rigin mountains and they use them to build
2616
02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:07.399
a prison which is directly next to this site. And
2617
02:10:07.520 --> 02:10:10.520
this is actually really normal. I mean, Okay, you've got
2618
02:10:10.760 --> 02:10:15.640
the Grave Creek Mountain in Wheeling, West Virginia, or near it.
2619
02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:20.439
Excuse me, it's in Mountainsville, which is near Wheeling. Okay,
2620
02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:23.560
this is like the largest Adena mound. I think that's
2621
02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:26.520
still standing. It's like almost fifty sixty feet tall. It
2622
02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:29.560
was allegedly where they found the Punic script in in
2623
02:10:29.640 --> 02:10:35.600
the nineteenth century. Okay, Directly across the street, literally like
2624
02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:38.199
in the shadow of the mound is the Moundsville Prison.
2625
02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:41.439
And if you've ever seen this thing, I mean it
2626
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:45.039
is just absolutely evil incarnate. It literally looks like a
2627
02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:48.680
Gothic you know, fortress or something like that. And this
2628
02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:53.279
is where the state of West Virginia did its executions
2629
02:10:53.479 --> 02:10:56.079
for almost like one hundred years. I mean up until
2630
02:10:56.760 --> 02:11:00.680
the nineteen thirties. They did public execution at this place.
2631
02:11:00.760 --> 02:11:02.880
They would have people come out and do picnics and
2632
02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:06.840
watch the prisoners get hanged in the back of this place. Okay.
2633
02:11:07.359 --> 02:11:10.119
It was only stopped after somebody's head got torn off
2634
02:11:10.720 --> 02:11:14.760
during the hangings. I guess that through in somebody's Sunday launch.
2635
02:11:15.399 --> 02:11:18.039
And then, of course the electric chair was at this prison,
2636
02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:21.920
so the people afterwards were getting electric dued, and I
2637
02:11:22.000 --> 02:11:24.039
many think of grand scheme of things. Almost two thousand
2638
02:11:24.119 --> 02:11:26.840
people died at that prison of enforce it being open.
2639
02:11:27.079 --> 02:11:29.960
So this is another thing that was built right across
2640
02:11:30.039 --> 02:11:34.479
the street from a major holy site to the Native Americans. Again,
2641
02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:37.119
people think that I'm possibly nuts by saying that they
2642
02:11:37.159 --> 02:11:39.079
might have done mass graves a thing a rich Why,
2643
02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:42.279
I really don't think so. Seen just some of the
2644
02:11:42.319 --> 02:11:45.479
stuff that's been built by these structures having traveled across
2645
02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:49.079
the country a lot, because it is a really creepy
2646
02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:52.640
precedent that it just seems to turn up over it
2647
02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:53.520
over again.
2648
02:11:54.319 --> 02:11:54.520
Yeah.
2649
02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:58.199
Man, that's some super creepy connections there. I want to
2650
02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:01.039
get to your adventures in Wisconsin and some of the
2651
02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:03.680
connections you found there before we close out.
2652
02:12:05.479 --> 02:12:09.399
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well again, Wisconsin very much like a
2653
02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:12.920
Society of Cincinnati state. I mean, you see that really
2654
02:12:12.960 --> 02:12:16.439
represented in the Capitol with Madison. James Madison again was
2655
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:20.359
a member of the Society of Cincinnati. The Capitol building
2656
02:12:21.239 --> 02:12:25.079
had a lot of influence well. Also, the city plan
2657
02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:28.720
for Madison was based on the one that le font
2658
02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:32.000
had done for Washington, DC. Member of the Society of Cincinnati.
2659
02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:34.640
They got the good old you know, the statue to
2660
02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:37.199
Columbia right on top of the dome with the Capitol
2661
02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:40.560
It was done by the same artist who did the
2662
02:12:40.640 --> 02:12:44.359
one at the eighteen ninety three Chicago World's Fair. This
2663
02:12:44.520 --> 02:12:48.600
guy was involved in a lot of projects related to
2664
02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:52.600
the Society of Cincinnati. In fact, he actually designed those
2665
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:56.640
really striking statues that are outside the Alexander Hamilton Customs
2666
02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:00.000
Building in New York City if you've ever seen ghost
2667
02:13:00.039 --> 02:13:02.760
Busters too, that's actually what they used is the exterior
2668
02:13:02.880 --> 02:13:05.319
for Dana Barrett's museum where they've got the picture of
2669
02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:10.079
bego in. So those things are really brad But anyway,
2670
02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:13.880
the main architect for the Capital was John Noyer, who
2671
02:13:14.239 --> 02:13:17.560
again was really closely connected to the Society of Cincinnati.
2672
02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:20.119
In fact, he was actually tapped to establish a planning
2673
02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:26.039
community in Marymont, right next to Cincinnati by hereditary members
2674
02:13:26.079 --> 02:13:28.119
of the Society of Cincinnati around the turn of the
2675
02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:32.960
twentieth century. So everything in that just whole, very occulted
2676
02:13:33.119 --> 02:13:38.520
capital was very closely tied to this. But interestingly enough,
2677
02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:44.239
Wisconsin also has quite a reputation for wear wolves too, right,
2678
02:13:45.159 --> 02:13:47.119
you know, and as sure a lot of you probably
2679
02:13:47.119 --> 02:13:48.720
you know what I'm getting that with this, I'm talking
2680
02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:52.279
about the Beast of Bray Road, which started to come
2681
02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:56.479
up in like the late nineteen eighties early nineties, like
2682
02:13:56.520 --> 02:13:59.760
when the plant first started to emberse with that, And
2683
02:14:01.600 --> 02:14:07.720
it was basically centered around Elkhorn, Wisconsin, which is sort
2684
02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:10.119
of in like the southeastern part of the stated sign
2685
02:14:10.119 --> 02:14:12.680
don't know, probably like about an hour or something like
2686
02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:17.920
that Milwaukee, and there's this massive state park system, the
2687
02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:23.680
Kettle Moraine that's really it's just enormous. I think it
2688
02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:26.439
stretches all the way up into the Milwaukee area, almost
2689
02:14:26.560 --> 02:14:29.159
up like into like Oshkosh ba Gosh region or something
2690
02:14:29.239 --> 02:14:32.640
like that. It's just it's huge. It's really nuts. And
2691
02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:36.439
Elkhorn borders at like a lot of these other places,
2692
02:14:36.479 --> 02:14:40.199
and this is where the infinitous Bray Road is, you know,
2693
02:14:40.279 --> 02:14:43.720
where they supposedly had these Warewol's sightings and a lot
2694
02:14:43.800 --> 02:14:48.279
of the surrounding area. So most recently when I was
2695
02:14:48.319 --> 02:14:50.239
in Wisconsin, I was with a couple of my buddies
2696
02:14:50.279 --> 02:14:54.079
who had very much wanted to go see Elkhorn and
2697
02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:56.600
see Bray Road. And I was like, Okay, that's cool,
2698
02:14:56.640 --> 02:14:58.239
but you know, basically we're just gonna be drawn on
2699
02:14:58.359 --> 02:15:00.319
Bray Road. So let's see if there's something school what
2700
02:15:00.319 --> 02:15:02.479
we can do. And I knew about this place called Whitewater,
2701
02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:05.520
which I decided I would take them too first because
2702
02:15:05.520 --> 02:15:08.079
there's a lot of stuff to check out there. Whitewater
2703
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:10.439
is a really interesting town. It was set up in
2704
02:15:10.439 --> 02:15:15.000
the late nineteenth century, and as the story goes, there
2705
02:15:15.119 --> 02:15:18.840
was a covenant which is active there from the very beginning,
2706
02:15:19.560 --> 02:15:24.680
and then later they actually are the Spiritualist Church, the
2707
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:27.319
one based out of New York State actually did establish
2708
02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:30.640
a college there at the Morris Pratt Institute, and for
2709
02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:33.880
a lot of years this was the only Spiritualist college
2710
02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:37.640
operating in the whole world. And it's still active today
2711
02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:42.239
in some new coronation I believe in Milwaukee. But anyways,
2712
02:15:42.319 --> 02:15:46.359
so it's got this kooky Spiritualist college. Like right there,
2713
02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:53.079
it's got this just really menacing looking water tower in
2714
02:15:53.199 --> 02:15:56.800
the Sara Surgian Park. I can't remember what it was called,
2715
02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:00.560
but if you've ever seen this thing, I mean it's huge.
2716
02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:03.239
It was built in like eighteen ninety when the town
2717
02:16:03.399 --> 02:16:06.000
probably had I don't know, like three hundred people living
2718
02:16:06.079 --> 02:16:08.279
in it or something. It just makes no sense. It's
2719
02:16:08.359 --> 02:16:11.720
been surrounded by like a fence forever that looks like
2720
02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:14.680
it was designed to keep something into it rather than out,
2721
02:16:14.960 --> 02:16:21.800
and as the story goes, there are these three cemeteries
2722
02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:25.560
in the town that form a perfect ones Ares's triangle
2723
02:16:25.680 --> 02:16:28.279
or something like that, and they were known to be
2724
02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:31.680
used by this coven of witches who would perform like
2725
02:16:31.800 --> 02:16:36.520
human sacrifices at them, and specifically, I think the really
2726
02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:40.799
notorious one was the Oak. I can't remember it was
2727
02:16:40.840 --> 02:16:42.440
called it. It's the one that's like right next to
2728
02:16:42.520 --> 02:16:44.520
the old school and not too far from this like
2729
02:16:44.639 --> 02:16:47.719
water tower that I'm telling apart, And there was a
2730
02:16:47.760 --> 02:16:50.799
lot of other crazy stuff about this community too, like
2731
02:16:51.079 --> 02:16:55.479
it actually does have a network of underground tunnels which
2732
02:16:55.520 --> 02:16:58.760
were supposedly put in like during the Civil War, but
2733
02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:00.840
for the part of the underground or even though actually
2734
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:03.840
I think the town was theoretically founded after the Civil
2735
02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:09.239
War had wrapped up, but they were unearthed at when
2736
02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:12.719
they were doing excavations at downtown in the seventies, so
2737
02:17:12.799 --> 02:17:15.920
there is evidence of this. So that's another this just
2738
02:17:16.000 --> 02:17:18.520
sort of weird, goopy little town that also has these
2739
02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:22.239
underground tunnels in it and nobody really knows why they're there. Like,
2740
02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:25.520
but anyways, there were all these rumors for years there
2741
02:17:25.600 --> 02:17:28.399
was these covenant witches and they did these sacrifices and stuff,
2742
02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:34.600
these three cemeteries that formed this perfect triangle all through Whitewater,
2743
02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:38.440
and I took them to all and took my bunnies
2744
02:17:38.479 --> 02:17:41.040
to these three cemeteries. And obviously the creepiest one, like
2745
02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:43.239
I was saying, is right next to the water tower,
2746
02:17:43.360 --> 02:17:46.319
not too far from like the college, and there's a
2747
02:17:46.399 --> 02:17:49.639
lot of like weird stuff there. There's like this perfectly
2748
02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:56.000
maintained Jesus statue on the cross there, and it's right
2749
02:17:56.239 --> 02:18:02.600
next to this red headstone that just says boust on it, right.
2750
02:18:03.760 --> 02:18:08.559
And this is really interesting too because in the legend
2751
02:18:08.600 --> 02:18:12.520
of Romulus and Remus, you know, after they're suckled by
2752
02:18:12.799 --> 02:18:16.559
the she wol, they're found by some herdsmen who help
2753
02:18:16.959 --> 02:18:19.719
raise them, and the herdsman specifically who takes the man
2754
02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:27.000
who is named Bustios, so that inm So you know,
2755
02:18:28.239 --> 02:18:32.319
there's just a lot of these really weird, you know
2756
02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:35.159
graves there. Some of them have got like Jesuit markings.
2757
02:18:35.159 --> 02:18:37.399
There's a lot of weird Celtic stuff there, like a
2758
02:18:37.440 --> 02:18:40.120
lot of solar crosses and some other things like that.
2759
02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:45.799
Is we're like almost ready to leave, I know, because
2760
02:18:45.799 --> 02:18:47.760
I've been to this graveyard a couple of times done,
2761
02:18:47.799 --> 02:18:50.280
I noticed that I had never seen before, and it
2762
02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:55.840
was these reliefs on this like almost like picture looking
2763
02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:59.000
thing like you know, uh, it wasn't a grave, It
2764
02:18:59.120 --> 02:19:01.479
was just sort of random we sent in amongst the graves.
2765
02:19:01.520 --> 02:19:03.319
It was made of like marble and what have you,
2766
02:19:04.399 --> 02:19:07.719
and it was of what appeared to be these images
2767
02:19:07.760 --> 02:19:10.840
of a green man, but it was in this wolf form,
2768
02:19:12.079 --> 02:19:15.360
and this was really like weird man. Because I nagged
2769
02:19:15.399 --> 02:19:17.000
at me, you know, a just the fact that we
2770
02:19:17.120 --> 02:19:19.600
found this, because it was just insane, you know, I mean,
2771
02:19:19.639 --> 02:19:22.600
it was just kind of randomly sitting here in this graveyard,
2772
02:19:23.440 --> 02:19:25.799
and it didn't seem like there was any reason for
2773
02:19:25.920 --> 02:19:28.440
it to be there. But it was obviously very expensive,
2774
02:19:28.600 --> 02:19:30.440
it was very old, it had been there for a
2775
02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:34.239
long time, you know. I mean it's like this giant
2776
02:19:34.319 --> 02:19:36.680
face or something like that with these you know, I mean,
2777
02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:40.719
pan like but almost green man and wolf form images
2778
02:19:40.799 --> 02:19:43.840
on it. And I kept nagging at like, well, I
2779
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:47.479
think I'm seeing these before somewhere, and then it had
2780
02:19:47.559 --> 02:19:50.639
done on me. They were in Lenna Godfrey's book, actually,
2781
02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.799
the one that she'd written on a piece of Brave Roads.
2782
02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.879
So I had to copy with me, went through it,
2783
02:19:55.559 --> 02:19:59.280
and sure enough, there is this town Palm Raya, which
2784
02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:06.680
is actually right between Whitewater and Elkhorn, and it's all
2785
02:20:06.760 --> 02:20:10.440
sort of interconnected to with the Kettle Moraine State Park System.
2786
02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:14.479
And some farmers letting on Pomrai I had found reliefs
2787
02:20:14.680 --> 02:20:16.360
just like the ones that we were seeing in a
2788
02:20:16.559 --> 02:20:22.600
cemetery on their property not far from the Kettle Morain right,
2789
02:20:23.639 --> 02:20:26.399
And this had really driven Godfrey nuts too, because she
2790
02:20:26.680 --> 02:20:30.000
thought she had seen them before. And then in her
2791
02:20:30.040 --> 02:20:32.079
books she writes about how she had gone through, like
2792
02:20:32.239 --> 02:20:34.239
you know, a lot of her different files, and then
2793
02:20:34.239 --> 02:20:36.959
it finally occurred to her she had seen him in
2794
02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:42.319
Prague on this ancient Gothic cathedral. There the same type
2795
02:20:42.319 --> 02:20:44.799
of green man release, but the green man almost in
2796
02:20:44.879 --> 02:20:48.639
this wolf like form, and they were almost exactly like
2797
02:20:48.719 --> 02:20:51.399
the ones of ponm Ryan, almost exactly the ones that
2798
02:20:51.479 --> 02:20:57.239
we saw in this graveyard and Whitewater, right, And that
2799
02:20:57.399 --> 02:20:59.920
had like reminded me of something else to the guy
2800
02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:03.360
Free he had gotten into in the book, which was
2801
02:21:03.879 --> 02:21:06.680
that there have been reports since the late eighties early
2802
02:21:06.760 --> 02:21:10.200
nineties of a lot of cold activities as well, and
2803
02:21:10.280 --> 02:21:15.040
the Kettle Moraine system. So you know, they had found
2804
02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:17.840
like all of these these animal bones and stuff like that.
2805
02:21:18.159 --> 02:21:20.520
And I you know, I built up a decent amount
2806
02:21:20.559 --> 02:21:23.600
of friends in Wisconsin and I asked the people who
2807
02:21:23.719 --> 02:21:25.520
had grown up in that area and they told me
2808
02:21:25.600 --> 02:21:27.920
that was absolutely true, that you know, you go back
2809
02:21:27.959 --> 02:21:30.479
into cal Moraine, you'd find these dead animals that have
2810
02:21:30.559 --> 02:21:33.200
been mutilated and stuff all the time, and all these
2811
02:21:33.200 --> 02:21:36.680
occult symbols and stuff like that. Uh, they did this
2812
02:21:36.840 --> 02:21:39.719
documentary not too long ago in the Beast of Bray River.
2813
02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:41.799
They had this I think it was a park ranger
2814
02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:43.799
for the cal Loraine at the time, and he said
2815
02:21:43.879 --> 02:21:47.399
that they were putting out the second highest amount of
2816
02:21:47.479 --> 02:21:50.360
reports of cold activity in the late eighties than anywhere
2817
02:21:50.399 --> 02:21:54.520
in the entire country. Right. So, and this is all
2818
02:21:54.639 --> 02:21:57.200
sort of unfolding right in this whole area where you know,
2819
02:21:57.360 --> 02:21:59.239
you've got the Beast of Bray Road and all this
2820
02:21:59.360 --> 02:22:02.159
other stuff. And I mean it was interesting.
2821
02:22:02.239 --> 02:22:02.360
You know.
2822
02:22:02.479 --> 02:22:05.000
We went out to Braid Road, which drove around you know,
2823
02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:09.079
and my buddy got it just a sense of this
2824
02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:11.840
like one area. And when we went back and we
2825
02:22:11.959 --> 02:22:14.879
looked at it on a map, you know, it almost
2826
02:22:15.000 --> 02:22:17.440
looks because this whole area with Bray Road, it's like
2827
02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:23.520
mostly like farmland, but there's this one specific area which
2828
02:22:23.600 --> 02:22:28.239
is actually near what the Brave family resides that's still
2829
02:22:28.440 --> 02:22:31.079
trees and what have you. And it really looks like
2830
02:22:31.360 --> 02:22:36.200
the trees were cultivated so that they would look like
2831
02:22:36.399 --> 02:22:42.000
a wolf from the air, which is interesting because you know, again,
2832
02:22:42.120 --> 02:22:44.399
especially if you know the mountains in wisconstant to the
2833
02:22:44.440 --> 02:22:48.319
effigy mounds, like they're almost all designed to be seen
2834
02:22:48.719 --> 02:22:50.520
from the air. I mean, there's like a bunch of
2835
02:22:50.639 --> 02:22:53.840
thunderbird ones. There's actually the green Man or whatever it is,
2836
02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:58.920
the like fifty sixty fo talk humanoid one. So it's
2837
02:22:59.159 --> 02:23:01.639
very in keeping with that. And again this is a
2838
02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:04.799
state that was a part of the Northwest Territory once
2839
02:23:04.840 --> 02:23:08.559
against Society of Cincinnati members played a big role in
2840
02:23:08.760 --> 02:23:12.360
founding it and what have you. And you know, again
2841
02:23:12.399 --> 02:23:15.600
it's like we're going around, we're finding traces of this
2842
02:23:15.840 --> 02:23:20.040
pond r pottery. I mean, I was showing this panlike figure.
2843
02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:23.000
I mean, but a wolf, you know, almost where wolves
2844
02:23:23.079 --> 02:23:26.399
get up. We found this thing with great road, I mean,
2845
02:23:26.479 --> 02:23:28.159
with the tree line and what have you. And then
2846
02:23:28.200 --> 02:23:30.399
of course the whole tradition of like the piece of
2847
02:23:30.520 --> 02:23:32.920
Gray Road and all this other crazy stuff, and it
2848
02:23:33.120 --> 02:23:35.879
just you know, I mean, these rumors about this this
2849
02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:41.200
culd from Whitewater, and again Whitewater was established by New
2850
02:23:41.239 --> 02:23:44.079
England Yankees too. That's kind of another thing which was
2851
02:23:44.159 --> 02:23:47.280
really the heart of the society of Cincinnati's like territory.
2852
02:23:48.799 --> 02:23:50.840
So you know, it does bring up like a lot
2853
02:23:50.920 --> 02:23:53.719
of questions. I mean, are these possibly even traces of
2854
02:23:53.840 --> 02:23:55.760
some of these folk cults.
2855
02:23:55.520 --> 02:23:56.360
Or something like that?
2856
02:23:56.959 --> 02:23:59.840
It makes me wonder what if there's any connection to
2857
02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:04.680
what people are perceiving as dogmen sightings, if there could
2858
02:24:04.719 --> 02:24:07.719
be any connection to some of these cults and shape
2859
02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:12.680
shifters are some kind of ritualistic aspect that allows a
2860
02:24:12.920 --> 02:24:15.120
person to shape shift into a wolf.
2861
02:24:16.040 --> 02:24:18.200
Yeah, or I mean, as it related to some kind
2862
02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:21.719
of like ritual involving authentic endogens or something like that.
2863
02:24:21.879 --> 02:24:23.399
Because I mean, again, like you were saying, you know,
2864
02:24:23.479 --> 02:24:25.680
you have the similar sort of traditions with the Native
2865
02:24:25.680 --> 02:24:28.479
Americans and whatnot. It's it seems at least in the
2866
02:24:28.559 --> 02:24:30.799
case of some of the mound building civilizations like the
2867
02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:34.040
Adana and a Hope, well, they definitely had traditions involving
2868
02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:36.760
the use of like mushrooms and what have you for
2869
02:24:36.920 --> 02:24:41.319
some of their rights. So yeah, I mean there's just
2870
02:24:41.680 --> 02:24:44.239
I mean a lot of incredible stuff about this. I
2871
02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.600
mean there really is. But I mean the fact that
2872
02:24:47.799 --> 02:24:49.600
and sort of like my journeys, I mean I had
2873
02:24:49.639 --> 02:24:52.719
almost in overtly stumbled over this whole notion of like
2874
02:24:52.840 --> 02:24:56.000
this wolf cult. It may trace you, I mean really
2875
02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:58.799
all the way back to earliest recorded history with the
2876
02:24:58.920 --> 02:25:01.360
end of Europeans and going all the way through ancient
2877
02:25:01.399 --> 02:25:06.440
Greece or ancient Rome and then possibly being recreated in
2878
02:25:07.399 --> 02:25:11.719
North America about the society of Cincinnati. I mean, again,
2879
02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:14.200
it was quite a mind trip of this journey that
2880
02:25:14.280 --> 02:25:16.360
I've been on with all this stuff. Man, that's for
2881
02:25:16.440 --> 02:25:18.040
sure right on.
2882
02:25:18.559 --> 02:25:21.120
And there may even be possible connections you said, to
2883
02:25:22.239 --> 02:25:26.000
ritualistic killings, maybe even some serial killers.
2884
02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:29.719
Well yeah, because again you've got to remember Wisconsin's big
2885
02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:32.879
smiley faced territory. And that's kind of another weird sinc
2886
02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:36.799
you know, with the Hawling you know, of course Lacrosse.
2887
02:25:37.719 --> 02:25:40.319
The two detectives Gannon and I think Gilbright or whatever,
2888
02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:42.600
who had looked at this for a lot of years.
2889
02:25:42.680 --> 02:25:45.680
They thought Lacrosse, Wisconsin was kind of the hay. It
2890
02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:49.760
was major region for the Smiley killers because so many
2891
02:25:49.879 --> 02:25:52.959
victims were found within around the roughly two mile radius. Now,
2892
02:25:53.079 --> 02:25:57.120
Lacrosse is on the western side of Wisconsin, this region
2893
02:25:57.200 --> 02:25:59.239
is on the eastern side. They're kind of outside of
2894
02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:02.239
that two hour race. But it's interesting because I think
2895
02:26:02.280 --> 02:26:05.520
at least two or three of the Smiley Face victims
2896
02:26:05.680 --> 02:26:11.040
actually did come from Whitewater, remarkably, and there were several
2897
02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:13.200
of them that had gone to this one like five
2898
02:26:13.399 --> 02:26:15.920
victims that all went to like the same high school
2899
02:26:15.959 --> 02:26:19.959
in the same area too. So that's sort of another
2900
02:26:20.079 --> 02:26:22.920
weird thing about this is it's like, even though the
2901
02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:25.399
Smiley Face killings were more in the western part of
2902
02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:27.440
the state and some of the surrounding states, it does
2903
02:26:27.520 --> 02:26:32.280
seem like a disproportionate amount of the victims came from
2904
02:26:32.319 --> 02:26:35.600
this region. And you know, again, this sort of is
2905
02:26:35.600 --> 02:26:38.639
an interesting thing with the profile of the Smiley Face victims,
2906
02:26:38.680 --> 02:26:42.040
allegedly because a lot of them were, you know, younger
2907
02:26:42.239 --> 02:26:44.399
men in the prime of their youth. You know, a
2908
02:26:44.479 --> 02:26:47.159
lot of them were considered to be both exceptional athletes
2909
02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:49.760
and students. And I haven't had a chance to look
2910
02:26:49.760 --> 02:26:51.360
into this as much as I would like, but there
2911
02:26:51.360 --> 02:26:55.280
are indications that higher than average percentage of them were
2912
02:26:55.319 --> 02:26:57.879
gifted kids and probably in some kind of gifted program
2913
02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:00.920
as well. So yea, I know, this is like an
2914
02:27:00.959 --> 02:27:03.479
interesting inspect of that. And even if you subscribe to
2915
02:27:03.520 --> 02:27:06.319
them as sacrificial killings in the context of some things
2916
02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:08.360
at the beginning, that that, you know, brings up a
2917
02:27:08.399 --> 02:27:13.239
lot of interesting things. But you know, beyond that, obviously,
2918
02:27:13.360 --> 02:27:16.159
Jeffrey Dahmer, I mean he was active in Milwaukee. I
2919
02:27:16.239 --> 02:27:18.200
mean he's also in this whole region, and I mean
2920
02:27:18.239 --> 02:27:21.600
there's a strange thing with cannibalism all the stuff associated
2921
02:27:21.639 --> 02:27:26.159
with that too. Slender Man actually, the creator of slender Man,
2922
02:27:26.239 --> 02:27:28.600
it's like base was based out of this whole area too.
2923
02:27:29.000 --> 02:27:32.840
And the well, the actual murder that the kid and
2924
02:27:32.920 --> 02:27:35.840
you know, the two teenage kids tried to do an
2925
02:27:35.920 --> 02:27:40.040
honor of slender Man, happened in Waukeshaw, which is what
2926
02:27:40.520 --> 02:27:43.799
forty forty five minutes I think from Okkard. It's in
2927
02:27:43.799 --> 02:27:45.559
a different county, but I mean that's right there in
2928
02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:48.879
that same area. So you know, you can look at
2929
02:27:48.920 --> 02:27:53.399
this and definitely see I think strong indications that there
2930
02:27:53.520 --> 02:27:57.399
has been, you know, an effect on the broader region,
2931
02:27:57.760 --> 02:28:00.959
the very minimal I think maybe from some these rituals.
2932
02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:06.319
Yeah, man, this is so interesting, fantastic research, Steven. We're
2933
02:28:06.360 --> 02:28:09.280
gonna have to do this again soon before you head out.
2934
02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:12.040
Let everyone know where they can find out more about you,
2935
02:28:12.799 --> 02:28:15.000
look into some of the stuff you're working on, all
2936
02:28:15.040 --> 02:28:15.959
the good stuff.
2937
02:28:16.879 --> 02:28:19.479
All right, Well, like I said before, I'm a longtime
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02:28:19.559 --> 02:28:21.959
career of that visa book. It's v I S U,
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P B I E W all one word, dot blog
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spot all one word as well dot com and also
2941
02:28:27.920 --> 02:28:30.079
you can find me at the Farm podcast just two
2942
02:28:30.120 --> 02:28:32.520
of the re search of the Farm MOONCK two podcast
2943
02:28:32.760 --> 02:28:35.399
or the Farm Mark two I think dot com and
2944
02:28:35.600 --> 02:28:37.920
that's with the II not you know, the actual two
2945
02:28:39.399 --> 02:28:42.360
and also the Farm Patreon. Like I said, you get
2946
02:28:42.440 --> 02:28:46.280
pretty much all of the podcast, even the subscriber ones there.
2947
02:28:46.360 --> 02:28:49.399
You get all these updates on my own going adventures
2948
02:28:49.440 --> 02:28:53.000
on the road in insets and the research that I'm doing.
2949
02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:57.120
And you know, especially I love to photograph and film
2950
02:28:57.200 --> 02:28:59.680
a lot of these regions, so you know, if you
2951
02:28:59.719 --> 02:29:01.760
actually I want to see images of some of these
2952
02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:06.479
things that I found in Wisconsin thereof and the subscribers section,
2953
02:29:06.719 --> 02:29:08.399
and I'm going to have a lot of big role
2954
02:29:08.440 --> 02:29:10.680
on stuff in the Society of Cincinnati and all this
2955
02:29:10.799 --> 02:29:13.360
other stuff on the Patreon, So get that a thought.
2956
02:29:13.520 --> 02:29:17.520
And also the author of Strange Tales Parapolitical post War
2957
02:29:17.559 --> 02:29:21.360
A Nazis Mercenary is another secret history and a special relationship.
2958
02:29:21.440 --> 02:29:24.239
Trump Epstein had the secret history named of American Establishment,
2959
02:29:24.280 --> 02:29:26.559
which are available on Amazon, and I'll find one live
2960
02:29:26.639 --> 02:29:27.680
book retailers.
2961
02:29:28.360 --> 02:29:31.479
Awesome, man, fantastic. We will definitely be doing that. You
2962
02:29:31.600 --> 02:29:35.760
can now stream the Forbidden documentary of Cult Louisiana free
2963
02:29:35.959 --> 02:30:02.639
on two b TV. Louisiana is a magical place and.
2964
02:30:02.680 --> 02:30:03.719
That was Cajun country.
2965
02:30:03.879 --> 02:30:07.040
You know, the food's good, the ladies is fine.
2966
02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:09.799
There's a fun and roll like the old folks says,
2967
02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:10.360
they love.
2968
02:30:10.239 --> 02:30:14.200
You so much. Incredible occult and forgotten history.
2969
02:30:14.799 --> 02:30:18.040
There's a lot to the ancient history there that we
2970
02:30:18.120 --> 02:30:21.239
could be uncovering. Everybody is starting to like really quit
2971
02:30:21.280 --> 02:30:22.040
pieces together.
2972
02:30:23.280 --> 02:30:26.360
I've been writing books and doing research in the field
2973
02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:32.159
of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties.
2974
02:30:32.639 --> 02:30:38.559
The LSU campus mounds were redated, which is absolutely bizarre.
2975
02:30:39.120 --> 02:30:42.719
This is all very very strange, and it's just been
2976
02:30:42.840 --> 02:30:47.479
made more strange because all these old mounds are in Louisiana.
2977
02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:53.319
The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds, finding seventeen
2978
02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:55.600
large skeletons.
2979
02:30:56.520 --> 02:31:01.520
They saw a very tall human humanoid being.
2980
02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:05.840
We just have a rich history of paranormal type stuff.
2981
02:31:06.319 --> 02:31:09.399
New Orleans is considered to be the most haught in
2982
02:31:09.479 --> 02:31:10.280
city in the country.
2983
02:31:10.600 --> 02:31:14.319
The energy that's over the land and that energy it
2984
02:31:14.600 --> 02:31:15.680
seems to be stuck there.
2985
02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:20.319
In twenty nineteen, I had an experience. It was all black,
2986
02:31:20.760 --> 02:31:25.879
had long black hair on it, a tall creature that
2987
02:31:26.000 --> 02:31:30.719
had a dog's head. Legendary things fiction become reality.
2988
02:31:30.959 --> 02:31:31.840
I mean, it's fifteen.
2989
02:31:31.959 --> 02:31:33.799
This dog man chased him through the woods.
2990
02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:37.600
He only survived because of his dog saving his life.
2991
02:31:38.239 --> 02:31:40.440
Y'all may kill me today, I said, but I promise
2992
02:31:40.440 --> 02:31:40.600
you this.
2993
02:31:40.639 --> 02:31:42.360
I'm gonna kill at LEAs two or three young I said,
2994
02:31:42.399 --> 02:31:43.959
you will for the pain of this thirty on six.
2995
02:31:45.959 --> 02:31:47.799
It was so close that he could see down the
2996
02:31:47.879 --> 02:31:51.920
back of its throat. The vast swamps of Louisiana hold
2997
02:31:52.040 --> 02:31:57.440
many secrets, from an incredibly old, forgotten history to mythical creatures.
2998
02:31:58.159 --> 02:32:01.079
There are no answers there's only more questions.
2999
02:32:13.600 --> 02:32:17.079
The nature of this experience seems to always be just
3000
02:32:17.239 --> 02:32:22.639
beyond the reach of our science, technology, and consciousness collective.
3001
02:32:23.319 --> 02:32:26.479
There's layers upon layers upon layers. Does add such an
3002
02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:27.760
element of mystery to this place?
3003
02:32:28.120 --> 02:32:28.799
Why are we here?
3004
02:32:29.520 --> 02:32:32.360
We're getting closer to the truth now.
3005
02:32:32.959 --> 02:32:37.319
There's too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.
3006
02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:42.520
I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.
3007
02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:46.920
Dreams involve interactions with real entities.
3008
02:32:47.319 --> 02:32:51.280
People are waking up paralyzed their sensing or seeing something
3009
02:32:51.600 --> 02:32:53.000
very evil in the room.
3010
02:32:53.680 --> 02:32:59.200
I have experienced sleep paralysis. Shadow people start to appear.
3011
02:33:00.040 --> 02:33:05.840
Again from my earliest memories by non human alien entities.
3012
02:33:06.760 --> 02:33:10.959
More and more people are wanting to talk about these things.
3013
02:33:11.959 --> 02:33:16.239
A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
3014
02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:19.440
our paranormal research, would they don't have the ghost? Well?
3015
02:33:19.479 --> 02:33:22.280
What if it's all of those things? In none of those.
3016
02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:26.799
Things, the entities, the intelligence that were just beyond our understanding.
3017
02:33:27.040 --> 02:33:29.319
There seems to be something a little extra that can
3018
02:33:29.520 --> 02:33:30.680
take forms of anything.
3019
02:33:31.200 --> 02:33:34.959
I can't believe what I've seen, but it continues on
3020
02:33:35.000 --> 02:33:40.520
a daily basis. We're definitely not alone, UFOs, UAPs, portals
3021
02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:42.360
opening up a lively thought.
3022
02:33:42.479 --> 02:33:45.879
This supernatural stuff you kind of grow up with that.
3023
02:33:46.120 --> 02:33:50.000
Around here, you see a lot of strange things. I
3024
02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:52.360
don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.
3025
02:33:53.280 --> 02:33:57.559
I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.
3026
02:33:58.159 --> 02:34:01.799
People they would say they were transform into bears, into wolves.
3027
02:34:03.040 --> 02:34:07.200
There's these five things out that occur, goals, UFOs, and
3028
02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:09.639
all types of things coming from somewhere.
3029
02:34:10.639 --> 02:34:14.840
Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to
3030
02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:18.200
heavily influence the nature of these experiences.
3031
02:34:19.000 --> 02:34:21.120
There is so much more that we just don't have
3032
02:34:21.239 --> 02:34:24.959
time for in this busy, loud and noisy life that
3033
02:34:25.120 --> 02:34:28.760
we lead. All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.
3034
02:34:29.079 --> 02:34:30.360
There's so much more out there.
3035
02:34:30.399 --> 02:34:32.799
We really are picking up such a small, small percentage
3036
02:34:32.840 --> 02:34:34.200
of the electromagnetic spectrum.
3037
02:34:34.399 --> 02:34:37.719
The world is an amazing place. It feels like we're
3038
02:34:37.879 --> 02:34:38.719
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