FKN Classics Double Feature! Lesley Mitchell Clarke & Wes Roberts | Machiel Klerk - Aliens, Dreams

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Today.
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I want to welcome Leslie Mitchell Clark and Wes Roberts.
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Leslie is a Toronto based certified clinical hypnotherapist who specializes
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in a number of modalities, including working with individuals who
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feel that they have had experiences with extraterrestrial beings. Wes
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Roberts is a thirty year contract college professor who has
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had hints of alien visitation dating back to his teens.
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Because of a consciously recalled experience in the nineteen eighties,
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he eventually became convinced his experiences could not be explained
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away by conventional theories. Leslie, Wes, welcome. How you both doing?
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Oh just great? Thank you, thank you, Thank you so
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much for welcoming us back to the program.
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We're happy to be Yes, I'm so happy to have
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you both.
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Leslie.
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I've had you on before, Wes, this is your first time.
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I've been looking forward to this. Today we're going to
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be discussing the new book you co wrote, Intersection, a
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True Story of Extraterrestrial Contact. I was just telling Wes
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about this. I believe personal contact experiences are some of
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the most important evidence that we could currently have to
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get an understanding of this phenomenon, and this book tells
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Wes's incredible story throughout his experiences up to working with you,
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Leslie through hypnosis. Now, Wes, like I said, you've had
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incredible experiences which we will definitely get into today. First, Leslie,
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it's been a while since you've been on. Briefly remind
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the audience about yourself and what brought you to work
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with Wes, and then we'll get your background Wes.
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After that, Loki Dokie, Well, I have been a board
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certified clinical master hypnotherapist for close to twenty years. Now.
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Wasn't my first career. I had a long career in
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show business, all part of it, and still work as
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a singer every once in a while as long as
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they'll let me. And I became interested in using regression
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techniques and working with experiencers very very early on after
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I first became certified as a a what is it,
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they call it, a consulting hypnotist. So I had to
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go through several, you know, episodes of training and further
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schooling to learn metaphysical hypnosis first, which is the use
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of past life regression, interlife regression and what we call
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entity release or energy release. And at the time I
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was probably legally ready to work with these individuals. I
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was working at a very snazzy hypnosis clinic in an
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area of Toronto that would be like Beverly Hills in
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New Yorkville area. And about once a month we would
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get someone calling into the office, someone who sounded completely sane,
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but was talking about possible evidence of having a contact experience,
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you know, missing time marks on the body, you name it. Now,
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none of the other practitioners wanted to touch this with a
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ten foot pole, and I thought, well, at last, you know,
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I'm I'm being sent you know, these people that I
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really really desire to work with. And so that's kind
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of how the momentum got going. And you know, I
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didn't reinvent the wheel. I simply adapted accepted past life
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regression techniques to work specifically with experiencers rather than guiding
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people through their their their past life experiences. So and
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I met I met Wes, interestingly enough through a referral
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of another UH, a wonderful gal named Barb Keshen, who
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is the top pediatric hypnotherapist certainly in our country, maybe
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in the world. And I was privileged to study with her. Anyway,
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she knew West and sent him to see me. And
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I think after that first experience of inducting him into
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hypnosis and and already you know, leading him through several experiences,
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I think he was somewhat flabbergasted, and I remember him
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saying over and over again, is this real? Is this real?
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And that's how our that's how our professional relationship and
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also our our very deep friendship and the work that
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we have done as as collaborators. That's how everything all
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began at my little at my little hypnosis place, like
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we're hypnosis in the womb room, as I call it.
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All right, well, that's a great introduction. All right, Wes,
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tell us about your background. How did this all start
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for you?
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Yeah?
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Sure thing. So, I've always been interested in the topic
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of UFOs, but it came and went in my life.
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I was in a moufon way back in the day,
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and then I rejoined a few years ago. But I
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had an experience in the nineteen eighties that was either
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hyper real or surreal. I don't know which of the two,
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but I woke up from the experience. I was experienced
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a distortion and time I was looking at a digital
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clock and it was clicking through the minutes as if
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they were seconds. I was literally just staring at it,
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and I remembered everything, and I went into another room
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I was living with a girlfriend at the time, and
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scratched down on paper what had gone on. And then
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it dogged me. It bugged me for years, almost twenty
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actually bugged me for years, and I thought I kept
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replaying it my mind, and I kept thinking, when I
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had the nerve, I want to go back. There's some
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things I'm sure that aren't clear to me, pardon me.
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So Eventually, as the nineties gave way to the two
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thousands and so on, I was getting increasingly irritated. And
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I'm a college prof so I'm very boring and analytical, actually,
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so this just say that. So this part of me
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was really odd. And it's not that I'm not magical
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or mystical or open. I am all those things. But
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it really dogged me, and so it was beginning to
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affect what I felt was my performance on the job.
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I don't think anyone else noticed it, but I did.
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And then it was also making me quite irritated, and
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I could barely sleep because I was afraid to go
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to sleep. Quite honestly, if I closed my eyes, they
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would come get me. And so it was quite awful
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for a while. So I finally consulted with a couple
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of close friends. One of them said if she were me,
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she would get it checked out. So I waited another year.
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So that's about twenty years at this point, and finally
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I tried to find a hypnotherapist, and Leslie told you
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how I got introduced to her, and then we started
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this long relationship which is to this day. But the
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hypnosis relationship was five years, you know, over thirty sessions.
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Right on. Well, I think very go ahead, Leslie.
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I was just going to say, that is quite unusual
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to be able to have the advantage of working with
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someone's chee for that length of time, and I feel
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really blessed that I have had that experience, and it
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certainly I think made for a pretty interesting book for sure.
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Well, Wes, I think a good place to start would
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be to tell us about that initial experience and what
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you remembered at first from it, and how you gained
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more insight into it later.
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Surely, Yeah, thanks for such a great question. I remember
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it was in five stages, and this is very common.
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I would have to tell you, Chris, and tell your
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viewers the stages or the staging is very common. So
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they play out scenarios and put you in them, and
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they want to find out how you respond or react,
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and they're generally emotional, or at least a component is.
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So in the first stage, I was just at an
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airport in the middle of the night, highly unusual. I
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should have said to myself, this isn't right, but I didn't.
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I was at an airport watching planes take off in
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the sky, and one of the planes, at least part
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of it, burst into flames, and so I'm thinking, Okay,
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I'm in a panic. I'm looking around the airport. There
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seems to be no one around me. Then something appeared
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to my left and I never look at it.
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Was this like a dream state that you were in,
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or you just kind of found yourself in an airport,
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or it was a dream state type of thing.
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Yeah, A lot of abductions or experiences are psychophysical. They
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abduct your spirit. This is not to say you don't
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feel it, you know, or you don't go through the trauma.
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So only a handful of my experiences were physical that
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I'm aware of, but I'm not sure about parts of it,
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to be quite honest, And Leslie might be able to
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comment on that in a little bit. So I was
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at the airport looking, I was in a panic. That
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was phase one. Phase two. I found myself in the dark.
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So there's a slight period of missing time. I believe
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I found myself in the dark. I entered some double
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doors and walked into what seemed to be a pristine apartment,
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our condo, I mean, like lot lived in, as if
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it had been created for me just before I got there.
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And so I don't want to draw this out too long.
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You can tell me how long is too long?
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Whatever you feel is the details that we that the
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audience would would need to you know best understand it.
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You know, you can go as long as you want.
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Okay, thank you. I appreciate that I got to explore
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the apartment or the condo back and forth. Nothing changed.
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And this is one of the distinguishing things I found
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about this experience. In a dreamscape, things are fluidic. A
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phone will turn into a watermelon or something, you know
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what I mean. You'll look at yourself in the mirror
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and you'll change twenty times, but thing stayed static stable.
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I was able to walk up and down the hallway
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several times, bedroom look at photographs of apparently me did
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not look like me with my family, did not look
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like my family until I began to question the reality
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of being there, and at that point, this being that
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seemed to be shadowing me around the room basically communicated
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to me it was time to go. It's like, okay, so.
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Were you able to see that, Chris?
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Just that it was brown skinned, nothing from the waist up,
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and I've seen these beings before. Its skin looked like
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it was unfinished, kind of like pitted, kind of like
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it had been sand blasted, like it was a work
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in progress. So that, yeah, that's a good question, because
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I rarely get to see these. And I'm sure, I actually,
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I know I'm not the only one. So I was
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walked out onto an airport tarmac, and identical being joined
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me on my other side, and there were fifty two
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one hundred other humans being walked across what appeared to
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be an airfield, and we were walked towards something like
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a processing center. I thought I was going to an
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airport or something. I wasn't sure. So the next phase
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was I went through a turnstile kind of like customs,
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and I saw this shaft or this cylinder that was
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I took it to be an elevator, so I got
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in it swish. The door shut closed with a hiss.
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I had extreme light above me and below me. Pardon me,
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like I couldn't shield myself against the light. It was
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so bright. When the door opened, I found myself in
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the last phase of the experience, which was back at
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the airport with my family and wife there to meet
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me as if nothing had happened. So that's a shorter
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version of the experience right now.
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How long did it take you between the initial experience
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till you actually started to seek some answers about it.
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That would be the twenty years I talked about. I
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just said, for so many years, Chris, I said, this
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isn't me. I'm not one of those people I had
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met abductees I think in the nineties, and quite honestly,
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I was creeped out, and so it's like, this is
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not me, until finally maybe it is me. Now.
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Did you have any other types of unexplained experiences within
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those twenty years?
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Oh? Yes, Oh yeah, I've had a few consciously recalled
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experiences where I'll get up in the morning and it's like, Okay,
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that wasn't a dream. I wasn't out of the body,
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it wasn't a hallucination, I wasn't taking drugs. You know,
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just go through the list and those are the things
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I was not doing. So I've had many. I continue
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to have them to this day, although they are less frequent.
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Well, let's get into some of the things that you
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started recalling once you started working with Leslie and Leslie,
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how did you feel about his experience the first time
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you heard about it, and could you tell us about
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maybe a little bit about that first session.
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Well, I think I think I was surprised at how
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much conscious memory he did have around this event that was,
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as he recalled at the time, the triggering event. Also,
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I think, yes, they were using staging the beings, but
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also I think it could be a mashup. I'm not
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altogether convinced that he was just taken in a psychophysical way,
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especially the especially the experience where they walked towards he
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thinks he's going through some processing station and they walked
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towards this tube. Now the tube and the light flash
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and feeling like your body is being extended is something
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that I have heard about from many experiencers, and it
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appears to be something not unlike the mon Talk chair
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that lets us pass between dimensions or large distances. It
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could be even very similar to the Star Trek transporter.
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It certainly seems as such because it is always in
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my experience with the individuals have spoken to me about it,
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It's always tubular and many and and there's bright, bright light.
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And many individuals also have the strange sensation that their
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body is stretching. So when I heard about that, I
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immediately I immediately knew that that something big was up. Now. Also,
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you know what what westn't mention is these these screen memories,
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which I believe are we could call them iionic projections.
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And I think that most of the evolved races that
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we engage with or that engage with us, have a
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large amount of psionic ability, meaning that they can project
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thought forms that are so strong that they appear physical
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to us. And these techniques are used often with children.
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In other words, Also, what Wes didn't mention is but
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you know, I think I don't remember if that was
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it was the first session, But soon after that we
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journeyed back in his own life and we discovered, which
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again was no surprise, that he was a lifelong experiencer.
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I don't believe that there is any such thing as
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a person with a single experience. I honest, honestly don't.
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And I also think that memory suppression times out because
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I think it's done with our own body chemistry and
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not allowing certain memories to imprint on the neuro which
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is how is how memory works. But in that experience
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that he was describing, as I was saying, another interesting
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thing about these projected screen images is they very often
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have anachronistic elements to them. And by that I mean
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I believe. I remember Wes telling me that in this
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you know, otherwise modern contemporary apartment was a kind of
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a what we used to call a telephone table, which
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you're too young to even remember, But my grandparents had
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one from the days where there was one telephone and
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it was heavy and it was black, and it sat
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on the little thing and then you had a little
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notepad and that's all you needed. So to see something
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like that, it always when he was describing it in
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the session, I almost laughed and there are many, many
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little funny, anachronistic things that I you know, you wonder
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they were mining his brain to find an environment, and
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obviously they stepped into a few episodes of I Love Lucy.
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Now I want to get each of your insights into
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what these astral realms are. If these are types of
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realities that exist around us at all times, that we
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just can't perceive that these beings are able to kind
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of take our consciousness or our soul or spirit to
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during these unconscious sessions, and if you would consider that
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kind of like astral travel, what do you think about that, Leslie?
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Well, first of all, I would say that most of
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the interactions, and we know this from the big studies
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that have been done by move On and also the
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Free Organization, both of which I've participated in, we know
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that most experiences that people have are either benevolent or benign.
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It's only less than twenty percent of the experiences that
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are reported as being horrific or traumatic, and frankly, most
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of those relate to things that have happened to individuals
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under the auspices of some dark secret space program, combined
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efforts of some Zeta reticulites, and the American military or
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in the world's military, however you want to see it,
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so I would I would have to say that the
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I'm sorry, what did you ask me? I lost my brain.
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My brain went blank for a moment.
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No understanding of the astral realms. If these are.
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I think it's a personally, I think it's a combination
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of all of the things that you mentioned. I think
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that there are ultra terrestrials who are very comfortable simply
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adjusting their vibrations to pass from one dimension to another.
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I also think there are ets that are as just
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as physical and and and uh firmly fixed in the
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third density as we are. They just have more advanced tech.
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So I think it's a combination of things. I remember
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working with one experiencer who, again like Wes, was a
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lifelong experiencer, and she had a particular being that always
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was sort of a sign to her and and accompanied
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her on various adventures and things that they did, and
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she the gal the experiencer asked to be shown the
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home planet of the being who was presenting is very
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physical and very humanoid. I mean, possibly you know someone
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who you would being you would think might be a
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Pleiadian or Arcterian, someone who could pass, you know, who's
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so so genetically related to us, that they didn't, they
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would be indistinguishable from a humanoid extra for a humanoid
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Homo sapien sapien. So the and the being, the advanced
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being said, well, you know, our planet is not actually
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very far and you know, showed a position in you know,
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within this actual solar system. But she said you unfortunately
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you can't see it because of the limitations you have
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in looking into other realms. So we are probably dealing
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with a lot of civilizations that we simply don't see
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because our vibration is so low. And in our work together,
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you know, Wes and I also explored his inter life
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and we discovered and we're not the only ones to
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experience that that in our so called inter life or heaven,
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if you wish, wherever we passed to when we leave
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our physical body, there are all kinds of extraterrestrials walking
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around and engaging in councils and doing this. Now, one wonders,
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is our our idea of heaven is Could it be
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just simply another dimension where negative emotions don't exist? And
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where are our cellular bodies are made of light matter, and.
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That's the true reality. And this is just an experiential
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thing that we're experiencing now in this physical world. I
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don't know, big questions there.
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It seems like that. It seems like that. And of
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course this is known many many ET beings have conveyed
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to people I've worked with that Planet Earth here is
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kind of known as the Grand Experiment because it's unusual. Uh,
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Planet Earth is unusual in the sense that we have
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the contributions of so many different groups of ets who
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have contributed to the beings that we are. We are
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the hybrids, and not just from the Anaki, the you know,
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we had the Pleadians here, the Lerens, we're here people
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beings from Mars were here, humanoid beings from Mars. So
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we have received either through either through cross pollination in
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a natural way or through genetic upgrading. We are carrying
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an awful lot of DNA and we have a wide
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spectrum of development. You know, We've got we've got people,
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We've got like Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler and and
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and you know, horrible political ne'er do wells on one
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side that was deft way I walked around at and
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then we have, you know, on the advanced area, we've
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you know, we've got the Dalai Lama and Mother Theresa,
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and so we have a big spectrum of beings of
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souls in progress. And right now I think what we're
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seeing an awful lot of is an awful lot of
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people have come back into this incarnation who have probably
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led very recent lives on other planets. And the term
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we use for that is star seats. And my feeling
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is that Wes, from the recollections we've explored, he has
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had many lifetimes, especially living as this particular type of
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being that he now engages with so easily, Right.
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Wes anything to add about these different realities, different realms
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or anything else that Leslie said?
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For sure? So Leslie's right on the money. They pluck
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funny things from our minds or what we might have
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seen on television. So there was actually a black rotary
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dial phone in that experience and a little black book.
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Literally they did not change. I was able to use
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the phone or try to use it. I was able
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to look in the little black book. As far as
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multiple dimensions, I believe we live in not just the
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multiverse but something others call the omniverse. So the omniverse
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includes the spirit realm, and so all possible universes, spiritual
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and otherwise. Our alien friends, mostly friends, are able to
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walk back and forth through any realm, including our afterlife,
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which we had thought was so sacred. That's easily accessible
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to them. And so I think that this mashup of
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experiences was absolutely true. The apartment was probably real, the
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transporter was probably a real, Some of the other stuff
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was not real. It was a mishmash, and we were
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later to find out in my hypnosis sessions, and we
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can get to this there's a being I call my twin,
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which we can get to if we get a chance.
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But I was later to find out my twin that
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was just to get my attention. This whole experience was
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just to get my attention. It was a test. Are
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you awake?
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You know?
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Are you paying attention? Are you can go out to
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the world and speak about these things? So I was
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quite annoyed when I found that out, because it didn't
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feel like a test back then. So that's what I
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would add to it.
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Well, I'd love to hear about that experience with the twin.
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Sure, and Leslie's perspective, and this is going to be
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great too. So it was on in my first or
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second hypnosiscession when I found out that the nineteen a's
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experience wasn't exactly so relevant that I've been going through
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stuff all my life, and earlier in my life they
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were more physical abductions than they were spiritual abductions. So
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when I first met my twin, I'm sure she's not mine,
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but I'll use that term. When I first met the twin,
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I met her as a little boy, and she was
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a little girl, a little alien girl, and we were
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in somebody's farmhouse. It was a real location. I only
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say that because I asked mentally during the experience is
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this real? Is this place real? And they said, yeah,
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the owners are out. So was my job to guide
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this little girl around this farmhouse and show her the
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things that we experienced as humans. And she kind of
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looked a little bit spiny, not exactly what we would
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call normal. But I took her hand and took her
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around the home, and she didn't understand what a fridge was.
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She didn't know what food was inside the fridge. She
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didn't understand what a cupboard or a shelf was, and
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so I was explaining to her what these things were.
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And so we walked around the farmhouse and we ended
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up where I was about to take her up the stairs.
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I don't know why. I guess I was being directed to,
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and she stopped because she was afraid, she didn't want
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to go up the stairs. She didn't know how, among
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other things. And it's like, okay, experience ends. And this
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twin has always been with me, perhaps before when I
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was a little kid, and she's appeared in countless ways
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in other experiences, and we even took the time to
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try to do a form of channeling with her in
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real time.
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And your understanding of what this entity is has changed
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since you've gained a better understanding through hypnotherapy.
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Yeah, I was frustrated for the longest time, and I
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still am to a certain extent, because I just want
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her to sit over there on the couch so I
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can see her, but she doesn't appear that way, and
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she has multiple guises. And at one point she had
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monished me and she said, basically, this is on me,
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like I don't know how to raise myself to a
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high enough vibration to communicate directly with her, so she
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changes me or changes the very atmosphere around me so
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she can come to me. And I'm sure Leslie can
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talk about a key experience in her hypnosis place where
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where the environment changed.
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M sure that that happened a number of times. Because
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after we had mind you know, and explored you know,
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an awful lot of experiences that Wes had had, as
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he mentioned, we really began to focus on real time communication.
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You know.
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And I think an important thing to keep in mind
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is that linear time is not real. It doesn't it's
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not it's not that at all. We simply have created
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linear time as humanoids, so we can get things done
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and show up and graduate from college and all these
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different things. But it's not real. So it's possible psychically
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telepathically to reach out to any beings that we have
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had experiences with. I have, I have many of my
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experiences that I work with regularly now working in the
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area of real time communication. So it's a little bit
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more like what Deryl Anka does with Bashar. I'm not
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talking about it trans channeling particularly, but I will ask
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questions and the entity or being will relay their answers
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through through the and that's that's what they want. This
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is disclosure. This is how it's going to work. It
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is a grassroots movement. The advanced DTIs of which there
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are many, have become completely disgustipated with our governments and
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they will and the way they work. And I know
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that they have made so many attempts. In fact, you
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know the arrival of Valiant Thor who I was either
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Venusian or and and he lived in Washington, d C.
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For I think, what was it five years trying to
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convince individuals about you know, free energy and food production
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and curing illnesses, and the governments didn't want it to
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hear about it because they were terrified of economic collapse.
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It's like, well, what do we do if we're not
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burning coal? You know, it was it was fear based,
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and I think that was extremely frustrating for many. I
481
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.799
think they tried to do like a Michael Rennie the
482
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.200
Day the Earth Stood Still thing. I know, the White
483
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.759
House was buzzed by UFOs. We have it, you can
484
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:28.240
watch it on YouTube. So this real time communication is
485
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:33.000
for me really where it's at as far as getting
486
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.559
fascinating up to the moment information I've heard, I believe
487
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.319
now that there is a kind of a gene Roddenberry
488
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:47.240
esque federation of planets, if you will, of benevolent beings.
489
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.799
I believe that those of us that are here working
490
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.160
in this area and also the contact ease are having
491
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.519
contact my choice, it's something that they agreed to take
492
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.680
on before they entered physical life, which is probably like
493
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.960
you know what Wes is. Not only he's been involved
494
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.160
in many metaphysical processes, he's extremely psychic. I think that's
495
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.400
I think that's the great level er. I think they
496
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.039
need people with a little extra oomph in the in
497
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.359
the p Si department to do what they need to do,
498
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.039
and so they either follow genetic lines or star seats
499
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.960
come in who are set up from that on a
500
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:32.039
on a soul level. So what what what happened with
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00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:38.039
Wes and his his twin is uh, Well, during our
502
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.960
work together, I'm also going to say that they the
503
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:46.119
the beings of which the twin is won. I believe
504
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.799
they have no problem with taking Wes physically because he's
505
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.559
had he's had triangles, he's had scoop marks, he's had
506
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.279
various physical manifestations where they are checking up on him
507
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.680
just to see how he's doing. You know, physically, it's
508
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.319
not aggressive, it's not tortuous, but there is definitely a
509
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:11.039
physical component to this as well. I would have to say. Now,
510
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:16.519
in the first time that we attempted this real time
511
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.720
communication with his twin, the first thing that I noticed
512
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.480
that happened is the room. And it's just one. The
513
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:31.960
room heated up and the atmosphere felt almost viscous. Now,
514
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.880
a viscous, thick atmosphere is something that you will hear
515
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.240
about from many contactees that you might talk to on
516
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.920
your show or anywhere else. It seems to be they
517
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.880
seem to need. Many beings seem to need to alter
518
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.440
our environment, at least on a small level, you know.
519
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.480
I mean, this is nothing toxic. It just the air
520
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.160
feels heavy and it is very hot all of a sudden,
521
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:05.119
and I actually saw with my naked eyes, I actually
522
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.760
saw an impression. It looked like a overlay, a little
523
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.800
bit like a double exposure of the being that West
524
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:22.159
calls his twin, overlaying, like placing herself right over his body.
525
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.920
And the form that I saw was alternately looked humanoid
526
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.679
and sometimes just like a light being, but was taller.
527
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.920
And Wes is a really tall guy. So I would
528
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.679
have to say that this being, from what I saw,
529
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.280
was presenting as about seven feet tall, would be my guess.
530
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:51.840
So I alternated between seeing an interesting thin humanoid form
531
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:59.559
without hair to a just a light being. So that
532
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.400
was the psychic image I was getting, was the light being.
533
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.280
Probably I don't know these things don't This was a
534
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.960
first for me, and we tried it again later, and
535
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.800
we tried to photograph it, and in fact it did
536
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.400
happen again in the sense that I saw the overlay,
537
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.639
but it didn't show up on the digital camera.
538
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.079
That's interesting, now, Wes, do you have any recollection of
539
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.840
any of the more physical encounters that you have, or
540
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.880
even after hypnosis remembering something.
541
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.000
I usually remember things, and hypnosis always I always remember.
542
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.840
I also have, you know, the recordings of them to
543
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.079
help me along, to help me write a book or two.
544
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:49.000
But I always remember, and so I recall Leslie saying
545
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.960
to me one day I felt okay, I didn't live
546
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.800
far away. I drove to her place and drove back,
547
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.920
and she cautioned me to sort of hang tight for
548
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.760
half an hour's so because I wasn't quite down to earth.
549
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.039
So I recall it. All the sessions she just talked
550
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.320
about I was really hot, and I.
551
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.119
Oh, you felt physically warm as well, which is, by
552
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.320
the way, totally unusual and hypnosis because your blood pressure
553
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.320
goes down to feel warm, and hypnosis is very odd.
554
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.559
Yeah. So I was really hot, and I felt a
555
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.000
bit of nausea, and I felt like I was moving.
556
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.800
I was not moving, and I felt this thing, and
557
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.119
I was trying to feel my hands and trying to
558
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.840
get a sense of this thing. My impression was she
559
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.800
was trying to show me her perspective, let's say. And
560
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.960
you know, yes, we asked her at times about did
561
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.559
she have a planet, did she have buildings, these kinds
562
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.960
of things that was That's not really my personal interest.
563
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.880
I want to know more about her philosophy and her connectivity.
564
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.239
And thanks to these many sessions, I would say, she
565
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:03.719
has told me she's always with me, She's never not here.
566
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:11.760
So maybe and evolved beings are able to have their
567
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:16.199
consciousness go in all different directions simultaneously, because again that
568
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.519
is our true nature. We can all do it. This
569
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.719
is what I want to say to your peeps today.
570
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.960
When these beings come, they don't come with an attitude
571
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:32.119
of superiority. They really don't they come to reinforce that
572
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.280
we are also And this sounds corny. You know, children
573
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.760
of God, children are the creations of the universe. We
574
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.079
are in an equal part with them. We have had
575
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:45.760
many challenges here. We've had geological challenges where the whole
576
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.320
race was set back and regressed. We had the flood,
577
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.800
We've had meteor showers, the autonachi, we're messing about with
578
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:59.800
nuclear nukes, hence all the vitrified sand, you know, in
579
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.119
the area where they were trying to wipe each other out.
580
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:04.239
So we've been through a lot of stuff. And and
581
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I think that from the perspective of beings that have
582
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:11.719
for so long been past that, and and they don't
583
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.079
judge us. In fact, there is no judgment. There's not
584
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.320
even any judgment in what we would call heaven, I
585
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.039
you know, and being raised as a as a as
586
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:26.440
a as a Catholic, this this is the antithesis of
587
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.840
the fear based things that we are all taught in.
588
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.159
I don't care what religion you come from, whether you're
589
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.159
a Muslim or Jewish, they're they're this fear of God
590
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:41.679
and of a judgmental figure or figures seems to be
591
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:44.760
spread throughout the planet.
592
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.679
Now, I want to get each of your thoughts on
593
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:54.920
the directions that we are obviously being intentionally steered by
594
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.480
some by some very large factions that are in control
595
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.320
and have a lot of power. There's two different directions,
596
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.039
it seems. There's one that we're being steered into a
597
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:09.639
very technological controlled age of you know, being merged with
598
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.679
forms of biology and less spiritual and less human. And
599
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.320
there's this other side that is this more which we
600
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.559
would consider spiritual side, trying to evolve our consciousness. And
601
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.039
this is where the contact experiences come in. This is
602
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.400
where the what I consider genuine contact experiences, which you
603
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.039
would call extraterrestrials or interdimensional beings come in versus the
604
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.639
manufactured experiences like you've briefly mentioned earlier that are involved
605
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.079
with black factions and secret space programs that are taking people,
606
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.400
giving them the farious experiences, but probably also to put
607
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.320
forward a certain narrative into the UFO community. There's a
608
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.719
lot of infiltration right now. There's a lot of high
609
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.079
level individuals that are trying to put a certain perspective
610
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.000
on the UFO community and steer it in a certain
611
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:03.079
direction and actually portray it as a threat other than
612
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:07.000
something that is evolving us spiritually or con conscious evolution.
613
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.199
And I want to get each of your thoughts on
614
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.880
both of those different sides that we're kind of being
615
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.280
directed to, if you want to say.
616
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.679
Well, if I might just jump in there again, we're
617
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:24.079
talking about manipulation through fear, and unfortunately, that is a
618
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.880
tool that has been used since the dawn of time
619
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:34.920
to influence and terrorize and suppress people who have, in
620
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.400
their opinion, lesser intelligence or lesser awareness. And you know,
621
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.480
you there's a lot of information about those times Michael
622
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.039
Tellinger's book Slave Species of the Gods. It's a must read.
623
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.280
But I don't believe that that is the situation now.
624
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.840
Although the old Guard is trying really hard to hang
625
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:01.719
on to their nasty, greedy, soul less ways of behavior,
626
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.880
I personally don't think we need much help from ets
627
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:10.360
to be terrible to each other. So I'm really not Yes,
628
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.400
we have the Masonic organizations, they're they're you know, they're
629
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.960
they're by and large guys that just like to dress
630
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.280
up and march around, you know. I mean, I am
631
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:28.039
not really feeling this idea of the of the ageless Illuminati,
632
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.960
you know who want to continue to control. Uh, you know,
633
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.079
we we do hear from ets that yes, there are selfish,
634
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.400
negative beings on the planet and and I think as
635
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:48.440
above so below. I think there are also negative selfish ets,
636
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.920
but less of them, and they're going to congregate with
637
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:57.480
the negative selfish humanoids, so they're But at this point,
638
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:02.519
I think we have a majority of enlightened people. Now
639
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.320
I think we are fifty three percent. I think one
640
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.599
of the reasons why so much contact is happening, and
641
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.599
also that so many beings are showing their craft, you know,
642
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.920
allowing themselves to be seen. I think that there has
643
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.079
been a shift, and the reason that we're seeing more
644
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.840
things is because we are able to perceive more in
645
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.679
the nature of subtle energy. And I also don't think
646
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.119
that there is anything that it is impossible for technology
647
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:41.320
and spirituality to be together. The beings that have survived
648
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:47.599
their own techno era understand that deeply. In fact, I
649
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.360
often use the metaphor that what we're going through.
650
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.320
Oh, Leslie froze up there for a minute.
651
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.679
Now with our nearly instant communication.
652
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.800
Oh, looks like somebody doesn't like what Leslie has to
653
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:09.639
say there.
654
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.760
Okay, I was just I was not unusual. Can you
655
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:13.320
see me now?
656
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:18.400
Yes, you're back now? Yeah, okay, all.
657
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.079
Right, Well I would I would just only say that
658
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.679
many of the species that we engage with have successfully
659
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:33.280
integrated technology into their civilizations without sacrificing spirituality. I think
660
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.119
that it's entirely possible. And I think what we're going
661
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.199
through now with our tech is a lot like having
662
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:44.519
training wheels, and that the ability to have instant communications
663
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.920
nearly at the speed of thought is going to is
664
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:51.760
stimulating the idea that it's possible, which will then translate
665
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.679
to further further training our whole planet vibrating at a
666
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.679
higher level. More people will be able to pick kate telepathically.
667
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.239
And this is what this is the beautiful future that
668
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:11.440
I'm focusing on. I'm not because we can manifest whatever
669
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.079
we want. It is a universe of free will.
670
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.880
Very well said Wes. What do you think about that?
671
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.159
Any thoughts on what is happening with the you know,
672
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.159
the two different sides of where we're being steered of
673
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.400
humanity and maybe the beings behind it all.
674
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:34.840
Definitely Leslie mentioned integration, so you know, integration is a
675
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.480
key point of what happened to me and hopefully can
676
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.719
happen to more of us or more people like me.
677
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.360
But I guess I'd like to make four quick points.
678
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.920
One is I think this is all happening because aliens
679
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.599
are us, you know, That's who we are, and so
680
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.280
that's one of the things I'm supposed to be, you know,
681
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.159
holding up a torch about in life. When I speak
682
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.679
about this so much, it's like we're there, we are them.
683
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.159
They're trying to get our attention and say, you know what,
684
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.280
you're in such a minute world that you could really
685
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.039
broaden your horizons if you only understood the majesty of
686
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:15.000
everything that we can be. Humans generally aren't and I
687
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.920
mean no denigration to anyone by this. They're not great communicators.
688
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:23.360
We're not always perfect at communicating. This is something they've
689
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.679
taught me, and it's like this is a communications piece.
690
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.480
So if we can communicate to you, Wes, or anyone else,
691
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.079
any of the three of us and millions more, then
692
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.480
it's my job to go out and say it's happen.
693
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.239
You know, I want to say to people this might
694
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:43.599
have happened to you. I'm supposed to tell you that
695
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.199
reflect on your life for a minute and see see
696
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.679
if that's true or how true it is. But we
697
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:52.679
are in such a finite world that is not happening
698
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.400
very well. And as Leslie has said, we're trying to
699
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:01.239
be scared. People are promoting fear. This reminds me of
700
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.480
Carpenter's movie They Live, if you're familiar with that movie.
701
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.480
So the subtle messages we're getting maybe aren't so subtle,
702
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.760
and that's what we're trained and indoctrinated to believe. And
703
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.519
I strongly feel we need to break our indoctrination and
704
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.199
think for ourselves and say, you know what, my experiences
705
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.480
five percent were unpleasant, five to ten percent, and they
706
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.079
were very unpleasant, but the other ninety or ninety five
707
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.280
percent were very positive. And it's all about spreading the
708
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.760
news and enlightening people.
709
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.800
And if I could just add one more tiny thing about,
710
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.760
you know, dispelling fear. We have to remember that the
711
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.159
terrible Truman era agreement that was made with the Zata
712
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.960
reticulates where so much DNA material was taken from individuals,
713
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.639
sperm and ova and they were doing breeding programs, and
714
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.559
that's over. It timed out. There was a contract and
715
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.599
the Zeta's honored it, and it's over, and so what
716
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.039
is a blessing now? Is I really unless someone is
717
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.719
unless they're like my age, unless they're of a certain age,
718
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.400
they're too young, thank god, to have had those types
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of involuntary experiences that involve the zeta reticulates where DNA
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material is extracted. I know that Wes has had a
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couple of those experiences, but they essentially have timed out,
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So there's nothing to fear. And if you're out there
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listening to this show and this is resonating with you,
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knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. I can almost assure
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you that there won't be a negative behind it, and
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that you have entered into something as your soul path
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through free choice. So if please don't, don't let fear
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stop you from exploring your own grandeur as a spirit,
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as a being.
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Very well said, now, Wes, are you still having conscious
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experiences to this day?
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I do. I have them perhaps once a month, nothing
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nothing too crazy, nothing to overwhelm me. And I still
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have periods where I get afraid to close my eyes
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at night, and I think it's a throwback to what
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I went through before undergoing hypnosis. But what I do, Chris,
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and I would suggest anybody do this if you have
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an experience that you think was that a dream or not,
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go through the process of elimination, do the holmes and
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logic on it, do the detective work. Why wasn't it
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a dream? Why wasn't it another body experience? Why wasn't
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it just hallucination? And you're probably going to end up
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with the one remaining fact that's true, It was experience.
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So use Oukham's razor and there are and do keep
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in mind that your experiences can be very individual and
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they may not even be physical in the sense that
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you would think of it. So as we were discussing,
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you know, we are in the omniverse. There's all kinds
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of communication going on from various beings, so your experiences
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will be uniquely yours.
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Now, Leslie, have you found throughout your experience working with
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hypnotherapy that it's possible that a lot of what we
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are understanding as mental illness schizophrenia could actually be something more,
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that we're actually tapping into something beyond in another form
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of intelligence.
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Well, I as someone who worked I mean I worked
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in mental health for many years. I was a psychiatric
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nurse and a state metal hospital, so I had a
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chance to observe serious mental illness close up and personal.
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What I will say is, I do believe that when
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individuals are in certain states of mania or certain aspects
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of a dissociated disorder, somehow the the maybe it's the
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pineal gland, because all of their glands are going crazy,
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but the paneal gland, you know, starts sending d MT
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and and I have seen individuals channel beings for hours
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on end from the padded room. So there there is
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there is a connection between things that can have manifestations
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that can happen with severe mental illness. And but I certainly,
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and forgive me if this seems so old school, I
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I do think that these are illnesses that are that
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are transmitted often genetically. Schizophrenia can run in a family
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for generations. And we're starting with help, we're starting to
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unlock the genome, and we're beginning to treat mental illness
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in a completely different way than we did before. So
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being mentally ill does not necessarily mean that you're not
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having extraterrestrial experiences. But unfortunately, in in in Canada, I
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am not legally allowed to work with any individual who
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has been diagnosed with a serious mental illness and by that,
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I mean like borderline personality disorder, against schizophrenia, dissociate disorder,
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manic depression, bipolar, you name it. So even though someone
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may come to me and I can tell that their
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experience has probably been real if they manifest certain issues,
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certain symptoms, I have to make a I have to
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make a judgment, and I have to always and I
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always err on the side of the protection of the patient.
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But I don't leave people hanging out to dry because
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I have a network of fully qualified psychologists, psychotherapists and
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psychiatrists who are open to the contact E phenomena and
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who will work with these individuals and be able to
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treat the whole person. If there is an illness, it
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can be treated in however that person deems probative. So
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there you go.
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Yeah, well do you think that there are more people
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who are experiencing contact and abduction than we would ever imagine?
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I mean, even myself, I have had seems to be
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years of missing time as a kid that I have,
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don't you know, I have no understand hoping to eventually
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get some hypnotherory. But there's also a lot of people
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that I talked to that just have you know, huge
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chunks of their life that they don't remember, things that
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they may be blocked out. Do you think this is
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occurring for more people than you think.
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I think contact is far more widespread than any of
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us can remember or any of us can imagine. I
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mean the amount of UFO reports contact reports that have
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been filed fourteen million, seventeen million, bigger than the state
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of New York. Some individuals are estimating that three quarters
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of the people on the planet have had contact of
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some sort. So this is a large scale operation to
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wake us up, and it's nothing to be afraid of.
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But yes, I completely agree that we don't have any
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idea of the real numbers. That it's way beyond what
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we could imagine.
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Now, Wes, you're actually working on material for a second book, is.
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There, right?
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So the second book is done. I guess our friend
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didn't maybe send you that info, so apologies that that
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didn't happen, but I can certainly follow up with you.
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A second book was called An Experiencer's Garden, and it
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was basically it's basically my attempt to explain by categorizing things,
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categorizing landscapes, categorizing aliens, categorizing emotions, categorizing places and faces.
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So that's how I started out, by thinking, let me
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categorize all this stuff scenarios, you know, trains, strange places, spaceships, whatever,
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And then I ended up spending a huge part of
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the book trying to tackle the question why me? And
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it's odd that people would even ask it in view
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of how many people have probably gone through this. But
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I spent the last part of the book, a huge
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part of the book saying why me? You know, why
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did I go through this? And one of the things
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was mentioned earlier, but there's probably a whole host of
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things that played into not just why me for one time,
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but why me for a lifetime? Why is it still me?
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And so I talk about that in the other part
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of the book.
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Right on now. I've had the gut feeling and intuition
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for a long time that we are headed towards a
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very special time in human history, probably one of the
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most important times. I don't know exactly what that means,
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but some believe that it within our lifetime will have
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the common knowledge that extraterrestrials exist and maybe even have
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open contact again. And I want to get each of
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your thoughts on this to close out with.
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Well, I absolutely agree with you. That's why we're all here.
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This is going to be one of the most exciting
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times in the history of humanity because the relationship now
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between the tees and ourselves it's not going to be
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overlords and peons or gods and slaves. It's going to
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be equals. And we need to accept the insight that
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we are being offered from our more mature brothers and sisters,
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and we need to be the stewards of this planet
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that we were meant to be and we can be.
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We need to take our place, you know, we need
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to stand up and take our place with the with
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the magnificent variety of intelligent, soulful beings that exist in
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this amazing creative matrix that we live in that we
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exist in. So and as a matter of fact, I
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think our next I hope that Wes will be free
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to work with me on this. The next book I
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have planned is going to be just about that. It's
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going to be called Midwives of Disclosure Suck. So that's
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coming and we're going to be exploring that very How
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do we do it? How do we step up? When
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will we step up? How do we combat the naysayers,
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the cynics, the paleo alt right, religious fundamentalists. How do
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we cope with this? Because again, we have this big
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diversity on our little blue watery planet.
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Yes, very well, said Wes. What do you think?
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I think that we're heading toward a bigger acknowledgment of this.
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I would love to see it in my lifetime. Where
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are the vanguards of that movement, if you will? Leslie
872
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and I have some good friends that feel that experiencers
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and anyone involved with them need to be treated in
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a special way. I've never thought that actually about myself,
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you know, somewhat average, boring college professor who has been
876
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.199
caught up in all this stuff. But I feel we
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are looking for wider acknowledgment of this. I say, why
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find this repugnant? Why find this unbelievable when you can
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believe in all sorts of other miracles that are not
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00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.079
tangible and not provable and there's no evidence of them.
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So I think we are moving towards this. And you know,
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I'm happy to say again that I think aliens are us,
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and when we wake up and step through fear, we're
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going to be in a much Richer Life very well.
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Said well, this was fantastic and of course I'd love
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to have you both back on again. Now before you
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head out, Wes, let everybody know where they can find
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each of the books and if you have any other
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social media or websites or anything like that, and same
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for you, Leslie.
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So I want to point people towards wesg Roberts dot
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com or just a but everything is in terms of
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what I'm doing. My book links links to these shows,
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for instance, and also they can find me in Facebook.
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Wes g Roberts is out there too, and certainly I'm
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always happy to chat with people that have burning questions.
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So I'm open fantastic Leslie.
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How can people find that excellent?
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Well, you can always reach me at Leslie l E
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s l E Y at LightWork Hypnosis dot com. And
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even if you just have query, if you want to
902
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.199
know if something odd has happened, just reach out. I'm
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00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:36.000
always happy to to reach back and I do that
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all the time. Now. You can also find out more
905
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.880
about Contact TV from our Facebook page which is our
906
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.639
Contact TV. And let's see what else did I want
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to say? That's probably about it, and our books are
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all available on Amazon dot ca A or Amazon dot
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Com or wherever you happen to Amazon and I I'm
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now also working as a mental health care professional with
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01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.519
an organization called Opus, which was founded by Les Vales.
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And again it is about experience, your support, and so
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01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:18.400
there's a lot of help out there from compassionate people
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who will believe you wonderful.
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01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:24.519
Well, thank you both so much. This was fantastic and
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like I said, we'll definitely do it again in the future.
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And until next time, everyone, Thank you much Chris. Until
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next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
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By down thank you.
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Today, I want to welcome Ahiel Clerk. He is a
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social entrepreneur, licensed mental health therapist, international speaker, dream worker
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and published author. He has been a mental health therapist
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since two thousand and six and currently has an online
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private practice. He has traveled all over the world and
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01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:01.440
studied many cultures and they're healing in dream traditions and
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in specific the African traditions, as South Africa is the
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country of his birth. He has given lectures, inspirational talks
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and workshops for companies on creativity, innovation and leadership. Mochiel welcome.
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How you doing.
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I am great and excited to be here with you.
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Thank you for having me.
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01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.639
You're welcome, man, this is going to be great. I
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love the stuff you're write about. We're going to be
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01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:30.599
discussing how you and the audience can harness the power
935
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:35.519
of your unconscious through dream incubation, which is a technique
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that teaches you how to access hidden wisdom that can
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be used for personal development, which I am all about
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from personal experience, I definitely believe dreams are much more
939
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than projections of our unconscious and can have profound effects
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01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.480
on our waking reality, if you want to call reality
941
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.320
reality whatever that is to you. But this is your
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01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.079
first time on, let's start with with a bit about
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your background and what led you to research dreaming.
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Well. I I've always had had dreams that I would
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take serious, even if my culture and my upbringing wasn't
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overly dreamed favorable. I had dreams that I thought that
947
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felt like they contained some information already depicted my situation accurately.
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But the main time, MA main period was in my
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early twenties. I was stuck in my life, didn't know
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what to do, lack of purpose on the resolved grief,
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sitting on the couch too much, doing nothing, and uh.
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And then I read the works by Carl Hume, who
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opened the door to the world of dream and I
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started to read that started to apply to my own dreams,
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and came to the shocking conclusion that the dreams really
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provided like a psychological X ray what was going on
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inside of me and both the more destructive dynamics that
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I was living out as well as the direction that
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01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:18.519
my own soul wanted to flow into. And by minimizing
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01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:23.159
these destructive tendencies and aligning myself with the flow of
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life and the flow of my own soul, my life
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01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.920
started to have purpose, meaning I got passion back, desire,
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01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.079
and life just transformed for the better. And now that
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there are not ongoing struggles on the road, but at
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least I have a sense of purpose and meaning and
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that makes life significantly more colorful. So that is where
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01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:48.360
the journey started early twenties, and I have been hanging
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on to the thread of dreams ever since.
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That's great.
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Now, I want to get your insights into what you
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think dreams really are beyond just what modern mainstream science
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has told us in the past about projections from our
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01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:10.719
unconscious and the possibilities of how we can implement what
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01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.159
happens in our dreams into actually affecting our lives.
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Well, those are some really big questions. Let me start
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with what a dream is, and maybe we can you
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01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.320
and the people that watch or listen can follow the
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01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:33.599
following little experiment. Take a dream that you recently had,
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01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:41.320
or another dream that does particularly vifit. So if you
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01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:47.000
have one, just notice where you are and notice whether
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01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:53.159
it's light or dark. Notice if you're inside outside, Notice
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01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:56.199
whether there's another in the dream, whether other is a
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01:04:56.199 --> 01:05:02.679
person or a car or a tree. And so once
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01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:09.880
you do that, you know, at least from an experiential part,
985
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that the dream is one a world, an environment that
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you find yourself in. You were somewhere inside outside, maybe
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01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:26.199
we're in a field looking at trees. You were somewhere,
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01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:31.000
and so the dream is a world. And this is
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01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.480
such a fundamental aspect about what the dream is and
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01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.360
how to work with a dream, because, and especially in
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01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.320
the Western mind, there's very often the metaphor of the
992
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.000
dream is a letter sent from mystery source X to
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01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:51.039
you that needs to be deciphered to be interpreted. But
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01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:54.480
the dream is not a letter. The dream is a
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01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:58.480
world that you find yourself in. It's almost like a
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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.519
virtual A better metaphor or would be a virtual reality.
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01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:06.400
And in this for in this world that you are
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01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:12.960
you actually Another part is your mind is aware, so
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01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.920
you know that there's the dream crocodile, that there's a crocodile,
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01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:20.320
and you decide to run, So your mind is completely active.
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01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:23.039
The only thing is you're not aware that you're in
1002
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:27.320
the dream world besides a few times that you're lose it,
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01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:31.000
and lucid means that you know that you're dreaming, so
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01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.199
you're in a world. You're taking that world for real.
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01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:40.000
That is how convincingly real a dream is. You don't
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01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:43.840
know that it is a dream, but your mind is
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01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:47.679
is awake, it's just not aware and you're having an interaction.
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01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:53.400
So that those are three elements about what a dream
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01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:59.960
is and and and uh, that doesn't answer it now
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01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:03.079
necessarily from what is its purpose or what is it doing,
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01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:08.840
but it sets the stage on understanding, oh, this is
1012
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.199
what what my dream experience is. And in itself that
1013
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:18.119
is remarkable. Because we have that experience, we wake up,
1014
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.920
we we we tend to discard it and then we're
1015
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.880
having a somewhat similar experience. Here, we're in a world,
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01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:32.880
our mind is aware, somewhat awake, and we're having an interaction.
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01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.800
And then we go to bed and we have exactly
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01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:42.639
the similar experience at night in another in another world. Now,
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01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.360
once we have that, I will expand on it further,
1020
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.360
but just making checking in does it make sense so far?
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01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:50.239
And for me?
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01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:51.400
Okay?
1023
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:56.079
Great? So then then that allows us to take this
1024
01:07:56.679 --> 01:08:02.639
the starting point further and uh, what is that? How
1025
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:07.760
is this dream world created? And there we can see
1026
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:19.640
that the dream world is created by our beliefs, our expectation, intent, will, power, focus,
1027
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:24.640
and mystery source acts. And I borrow this these insights
1028
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:28.159
from Robert Wagner, a looser dreamer who figured this out.
1029
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.079
And there's different ways of looking at it. Because if
1030
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.079
you would go to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, they would say,
1031
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:38.239
it's your karma, that's your personal and collective karma that
1032
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:46.479
creates this world. But your this world is created partly
1033
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:52.680
through your own psyche in combination with something else. Because
1034
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:58.960
we do encounter in dreams, uh, states of intelligence that
1035
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.439
are way more where than we are. Sometimes a dream
1036
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:05.520
character tells us something we don't know. The dream comes
1037
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:09.960
with suggestions that we don't know. We might even meet
1038
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.479
an ancestor and deceased ancestor in the dream. Those are
1039
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.720
not things that that is your personal mind. That isn't
1040
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:21.239
collective phenomenon, that is something not not I. So the
1041
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:26.800
dream is co created between the eye mind, the personal psyche,
1042
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.600
and the mystery. Collect you would call it a collective
1043
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.880
unconscious or the self. We could call it a mystery.
1044
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:40.640
And those two interwove and create that environment you're in.
1045
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.079
For example, if you're in a dream and you would
1046
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:49.640
be talking like this, and then, uh, maybe I think
1047
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:52.439
I'm rambling on. Then I have the belief and the
1048
01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:56.560
feeling that I'm rambling on and that, and then a
1049
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:01.279
character would come into the dream that embodies my feeling
1050
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:06.159
of rambling on and criticism. Maybe my old boss comes in,
1051
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.199
and then I would and you would say, what do
1052
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.760
you associate to the boss? Oh, it's critical. Indeed, criticalness
1053
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.199
takes on the form and shape of the old boss.
1054
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.560
So you have these personal elements, personal symbols, figures that
1055
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.760
are created in the dream by your own feelings that
1056
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.199
take on a form and shape just like your own
1057
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:30.279
expectations take on a form and shape, and the form
1058
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.199
of shape that take take on is a world. They
1059
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:37.600
co create the world around you, and that is how
1060
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.279
how a dream gets into manifestation.
1061
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:47.479
Right now, what would you say is the difference between
1062
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:50.920
just dreaming and actual astral travel?
1063
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:56.680
These are these are different other worlds. So let's say
1064
01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.800
that we call the dream is an other world, the
1065
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:05.199
astral travel is another world. The out of body experience
1066
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:10.800
is slightly different out of other world. The near death
1067
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:14.279
experience is an other world. And they have an overlap
1068
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:18.640
in that these other worlds are have have have a
1069
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.119
lot of similar features on how they are created, how
1070
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:25.479
our mind and the larger mind creates these other worlds,
1071
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.720
but they're they're different in that a dream is in
1072
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:34.680
different world than an out of body experience. The out
1073
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:38.319
of body experience seems to mimic much closer to this
1074
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:44.079
reality with some features of dreaming. Where dreaming is is
1075
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.920
another is another variation of the other world.
1076
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:53.239
That makes sense. Uh, now, let's get some basics how
1077
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:57.319
we can kind of interpret guidance for our daily lives
1078
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:58.119
from our dreams.
1079
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:02.960
Yeah, well, the by knowing that this world you find
1080
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:06.720
yourself in is a is a manifestation of of your
1081
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:10.119
of your own personal and larger soul. You know the
1082
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.159
territory you're in and your and your dream reflects back
1083
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:19.000
your beliefs and expectations and UH and dynamics that you have.
1084
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.199
So in that way, the dream becomes a psychological x
1085
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:26.079
ray on where you are in life and UH. And
1086
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.720
by understanding where you are in the territory, it allows
1087
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.960
you to navigate much more optimally through the journey of life.
1088
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.920
So dreams do provide that that x ray and UH.
1089
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.880
What you also see is that that your own soul
1090
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.880
wants to become itself, just like the rose seed becomes
1091
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.159
a rose and the acorn becomes an oak. The human
1092
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:55.920
psyche has specific qualities for each individual and UH, and
1093
01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:01.479
those qualities want to realize themselves. And dreams pre configure
1094
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.960
the direction that your soul is moving into. So you
1095
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.000
can look at your dreams to see how the flow
1096
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.279
of my life is going into this direction. And just
1097
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.079
by aligning with the with the characters in the flow,
1098
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.119
you will start giving expression to what lives deep inside
1099
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.520
of you. And then you get aligned with a sense
1100
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.239
of purpose and meaning and get into the flow. And
1101
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:29.840
that is where dreams spontaneously can be very helpful, and
1102
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:35.039
dreams can like I describe in my book the dream guidance,
1103
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:39.199
is a lot of us that have had helpful dreams,
1104
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:44.640
spontaneous helpful dreams, and many examples in history how dreams
1105
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:48.560
have changed the course of history. Where people get a
1106
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.680
song or a book, idea, or I ad my company
1107
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:54.199
the young platform, I deer in a dream, and so
1108
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.119
people have all kinds of dreams that help them. But
1109
01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:00.600
you don't have to wait for this helping from the
1110
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.560
dream to come in. You can turn towards the dream
1111
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:06.640
and ask a question before you go to bed in
1112
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:10.159
order to trigger a dream response, and that is called
1113
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:16.239
dream incubation. And dream incubation is an effective technique to
1114
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:20.000
connect with the creative intelligence that lives inside of us
1115
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.000
or outside of us, and that wants to help us
1116
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:28.000
become us. And you can access that in many ways.
1117
01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:32.199
Intuitions during the day is one way, synchronistic events is another,
1118
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.760
but it will also come in dreams. And in dreams
1119
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.800
we can get guidance for our day to day life.
1120
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.640
Well, you mentioned the dream incubation, let's talk more about that.
1121
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.119
Could you give us some examples of how this is
1122
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:49.640
done in different ways that people can kind of implant
1123
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:50.720
these ideas in there.
1124
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.640
Yeah, so people can ask almost any question that is
1125
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:59.119
relevant to their life, whether it's how can I find
1126
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.039
a partner? Can I grow my business? How can I
1127
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:04.600
be more loving to myself? What is one type of
1128
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:08.479
food that is good for me to eat? And they
1129
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:11.239
can bring it to the dream. And recently I had
1130
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.680
a man who had come out of a marriage, was
1131
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:18.279
divorced back in the dating life didn't flow so well.
1132
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.119
So he asked me, can we apply this technical so
1133
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:28.000
to find a partner? And of course that is if
1134
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:31.439
that's relevant to your heart, that's a great question. So
1135
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.199
he said I would want to ask how do I
1136
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.880
find a great partner? And then he pondered a bit
1137
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:40.720
on it, and he thought, mah, I do want to
1138
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:42.760
that is really my goal. But what I may be
1139
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.239
even more want to know is what is my biggest
1140
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:51.640
obstacle in dating? Because I know there's an obstacle and
1141
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:57.119
I can put the finger on it. So step one
1142
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:59.800
was identifying that there is a question that you want
1143
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:05.039
to ask. And we all carry questions, and some questions
1144
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:09.159
we try to push away, like should I leave this
1145
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.520
relationship or should I leave this job or is it
1146
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:16.279
the right time to jump into this business adventure? Those
1147
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:20.439
are actually great questions to ask. But first is you
1148
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.840
identify that there is a question that you want to ask.
1149
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.640
And then once you've identified, I want to ask a
1150
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:30.520
question about like this guy relationships. The step two is
1151
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.399
formulate a good question. And there's really a super essential
1152
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.960
element of this process is that you formulate and and
1153
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:42.439
and and one question at a time, open ended, a
1154
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.159
question that is uh uh, that is what you really
1155
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.239
want to know. Like this guy wrote down dream what
1156
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:52.520
is one? What is my biggest obstacle in my dating life?
1157
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:58.439
So then he went to step three, let's create a ritual.
1158
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:06.399
With ritual, I really mean, pay some communicate to this intelligent, wise,
1159
01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:10.680
compassionate counselor that is on standby for all of us
1160
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.920
that you're interested in getting an answer to your to
1161
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.760
your dream, to your question, and spend some time. And
1162
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.600
if I when I looked at all indigenous cultures and
1163
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:26.319
other traditions that applied, is they all would do rituals,
1164
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.680
very often very specific rituals. And I noticed it's not
1165
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.840
so much the specificness of the ritual, but that you
1166
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.159
do something. So this man made a drawing of a
1167
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:42.359
heart with a question mark on it, and then he
1168
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.920
wrote to the dream things he wanted to know, and
1169
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.079
he spent some time on it. So it is that
1170
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:53.119
you put some some time and effort and heartfelt desire
1171
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:57.119
to know and let the compassionate counselor know this is
1172
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:00.720
this is important to me, so that it's very relational,
1173
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:08.159
and so that this step three step forth, go to sleep,
1174
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.039
meditate briefly on your question, have the dream, and then
1175
01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:15.760
step five is write down the dream upon waking, because
1176
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:19.880
dreams will evaporate if you don't and uh, and then
1177
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:23.800
work on it. Sometimes the dream is super clear, and
1178
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:27.439
sometimes the answer comes from an angle you hadn't thought about.
1179
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.960
It's new to you, and you just need to let
1180
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:34.239
it simmler a bit and it will reveal itself in
1181
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:37.880
the next that day or later. And so this man
1182
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:41.640
had a following dream. He says, in the dream, I'm
1183
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:44.359
driving in a car and in front of me is
1184
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:48.239
another car, and I think that I'm driving in a tunnel,
1185
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.039
and I think that I see a mountain lion. When
1186
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:56.079
I get closer, I see a tiger. It's beautiful, but
1187
01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:00.680
I'm really afraid for it, so I back out. He
1188
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:05.199
writes down the dream, and then he asks the question
1189
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.560
that I suggest is don't ask what does it mean,
1190
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.439
but ask the question, which is fine as well, but
1191
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:17.279
ask the question what is happening? And so what is happening?
1192
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:22.359
He described, Oh, I'm driving somewhere. Then I think I
1193
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:27.119
see a mountain lion. It's something I'm a bit afraid of.
1194
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.159
Then I see it, see a tiger. I see something
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i'm afraid of. That's beautiful, and I'm afraid. And once
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I'm afraid, I back out. And he's like, oh, when
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01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:43.960
I get to go along, I get afraid. My move
1198
01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:47.520
is backing out. That's my biggest obstacle in my dating life.
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01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:50.960
I was like, yeah, that makes sense. I see where
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01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:55.800
that vulnerability is a challenge. And when I see a
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01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:00.800
beautiful person that do sometimes it's easier to add someone else.
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01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:07.880
And so that was his answer to that question. And
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01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:11.199
so that's in a nutshell, the five steps. Identify that
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01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:14.600
you have a problem, write down a good simple question
1205
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:19.680
to a ritual, sleep and dream right down the step five,
1206
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:23.520
Right down the dream and work on it. And this
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01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:28.000
is something anyone can do, whether you've ever never had
1208
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:32.439
a dream, that you remember or you're a longtime dreamer.
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01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:35.800
This counselors will stand by for all of us and
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01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:37.399
this is the way to engage with it.
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01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:41.720
That is one of my biggest problems is remembering my dreams.
1212
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:45.640
I have trouble remembering oftentimes. Is there any maybe tips
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01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.920
that you know of that could help people remember their dreams?
1214
01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:55.920
Yes, it's a It starts with the first simple step
1215
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.039
is get a journal and a pen and put it
1216
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:02.840
next to your bed. That all already signals to the dream,
1217
01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:07.479
I'm interested and uh and and when you wake up
1218
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:11.920
you have to write it down kind of immediate because
1219
01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:16.319
when at night, your short term memory doesn't function, so
1220
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:19.800
you have actually two hours of active dreaming, but you
1221
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:24.039
won't remember that you were dreaming. And your short term
1222
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:27.119
memory comes back online when you wake up, but it
1223
01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:31.600
isn't fully active yet, So it's not willpower or intelligence,
1224
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:34.439
it's the memory doesn't work yet, so you have to
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01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:39.600
write it down and uh and and that in itself
1226
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:43.680
usually helps people to get back to it. Get a pencil,
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01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:47.319
paper and write it down. And then there are things
1228
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.199
you can do on top of it. You can tell
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01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.479
the dream before you go to bed, Hey, dream, I
1230
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.640
have a hard time remembering you, but I would love
1231
01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:58.880
to connect. And I had today this conversation with his
1232
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:03.239
dream guy and uh, he told me about it, and
1233
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:11.800
I'm excited to be reconnecting again. So please come and uh.
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01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:14.439
And then when you wake up, even if you don't
1235
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.880
remember a dream, maybe there's a feeling. I wake up
1236
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:20.640
with a pit in my stomach. All right, woke up
1237
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.720
with pit in the stomach, felt this way. These were
1238
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:27.560
the sensations. And he said, oh, thank you dream you
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01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.359
were you were there, I just didn't remember it all.
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01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:34.159
I'll try tonight again. And then you have probably two
1241
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:38.840
three dreams a week, and if you if you follow
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01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:43.399
that on a on a daily basis, and that that
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01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:48.000
will give you enough information to be more guided by
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01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:52.199
the creative intelligence that lies at the core of existence.
1245
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.239
Something else I've always been super interested in, only been
1246
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:59.720
able to do maybe a few times that I can remember,
1247
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:03.439
is lucid dreaming and gaining control of my dreams in
1248
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.560
certain ways. Is there any tips that you could give
1249
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:09.920
us about, you know, lucid dreaming, being able to control
1250
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:10.520
our dreams.
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01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:15.800
Yeah. Well, step one is, uhc start getting improving your
1252
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:21.359
dream recall, because that will because what you what you
1253
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:24.800
need is in the dream, know that you're dreaming. There
1254
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.920
are a couple of ways that people can improve that.
1255
01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:34.159
One is uh in this reality, ask yourself, am I dreaming?
1256
01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:37.520
And instead of immediately saying, oh, no, this is not
1257
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:42.079
a dream. How do I know this is not a dream? Well,
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01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.760
let me see if I if I can push the wall. No,
1259
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:50.199
I cannot pull through the wall. This is dense reality
1260
01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:53.039
or waking life. If this is a dream, I can
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01:23:53.079 --> 01:23:55.000
push through the through the wall. And if I would
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01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.960
do that, I would be like, well I'm dreaming, and
1263
01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.920
then it can can do an experiment. So that is
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01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:06.199
one and people sometimes do it like every time they
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01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.600
step through the door a door, car door, front door,
1266
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:14.079
door at at the company, wherever they are shopping mall.
1267
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.520
You step through a door that you automatically have in
1268
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.600
your mind. Am I dreaming? And you do quick tests?
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01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.479
Can I push through my hand? No, this is not
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01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:29.399
a dream. Then in a dream you will start doing
1271
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.239
the same. You step through Either you ask yourself, hey,
1272
01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:36.119
is this a dream? You do the test, or you
1273
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.640
step through a door and you say is this a dream?
1274
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:40.640
And you think, oh, no, this is not a dream,
1275
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.159
because dreams are really real. And then you do this
1276
01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:46.560
and you go like, whoa, it is a dream and
1277
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:51.239
I don't know what you've done. I can give some
1278
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.119
options of things to experiment, love to hear.
1279
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.520
The only thing that I've kind of achieved is being
1280
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.239
able to somewhat fly and realize that I was controlling it.
1281
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:07.239
And another one was exploring like an old mansion that
1282
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:09.239
I realized, I, you know, I was in a dream
1283
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:11.680
and I kind of went off on my own way.
1284
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.399
But that's the only things I really remember.
1285
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.159
Oh that's that is That is great and I and
1286
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.239
I think that also ties back to the beginning that
1287
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:24.199
you in those dreams really realize, Hey, I'm in a world,
1288
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.359
I'm in a mansion. It feels real. Uh. And and
1289
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:32.680
that for whatever it is, the dream is the world
1290
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.880
you find yourself in, and it's full of intelligence in
1291
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:41.359
that way. But I would advise for people come prepared
1292
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:46.000
because very often in the dream our mind doesn't work
1293
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.439
as sharp as in this reality. So maybe you want
1294
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:54.880
to fly in the dream, or you can yell out,
1295
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:59.039
is there anyone with a message for me? And just
1296
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:02.000
see what happens? H I had at once and and
1297
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.600
my youth hero yoan crime for soccer player games came
1298
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:08.520
flying to me and said, come fly with me. He
1299
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.800
started to show me things or talk to the dream
1300
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:17.039
characters and ask them questions, says, who are you, Do
1301
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.000
you have anything to tell me? What do you want
1302
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:22.159
me to know? And and the and the things they say.
1303
01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:27.239
It's sometimes their their thought forms, their just your personal
1304
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:31.840
unconscious not very intelligent. But if they are real others,
1305
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:35.640
they who live in the world of dream, you get
1306
01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:39.960
answers that are mind blowing. They tell you things you
1307
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:40.520
didn't know.
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Right now is the most critical time for us to
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take back control of our food supply and become self
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reliant by having our very own food forest. Transform your
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food forest with food forest abundance. So that's what I
1323
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want to get to next, is these entities are intelligences
1324
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:48.439
that reside in our dreams that seem to know things
1325
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:52.000
that we ourselves didn't know before, or seem to give
1326
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:55.399
us profound information or insights about our lives.
1327
01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:56.960
What are just that?
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01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.680
Do you think that these are actually other types of
1329
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.680
intelll elligence? Is that that that's the world they live in,
1330
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.000
or could it be like a you know, for a
1331
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:09.800
form of collective aggrigors or thought forms or something different.
1332
01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.560
What are your thoughts? Well, what I what I do?
1333
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:17.520
What I do? Uh? My my assumption what I think
1334
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:20.399
is they're not I, They're not me. They know things
1335
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:22.880
that I don't know. They can know things that happen
1336
01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.640
in the future somewhere else. Uh, they come up with
1337
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:30.960
solutions I haven't thought about. So I don't think it's
1338
01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:35.079
I And I think uh, I like my youth hero
1339
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:39.199
Joan Kraft, who came flying to me, really started showing
1340
01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:41.680
me things that that I didn't know about, and he
1341
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:46.560
gave me an instruction that was just baffling to my
1342
01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:53.239
to me, so I think we encounter uh, beings in
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01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:57.960
that in that world who are sometimes more aware than us,
1344
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:03.000
not infrequently they're more where, and they have a certain intelligence,
1345
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.279
and they tell us things that that we don't know,
1346
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:09.800
and they can show us things. And my my, my
1347
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.359
assumption is that they live there, or maybe they move
1348
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:16.319
through different realms that they also live in the out
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01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.199
of body of realm or but they live in in
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01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:25.680
the other world and uh and, and that also comes
1351
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:29.760
back to one of the oldest ideas that mankind has
1352
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:34.039
is that we come into the world with a guiding spirit,
1353
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:37.760
a spirit that knows who we are and what what
1354
01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.920
the purposes of being in this world, as if we
1355
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:47.600
have a task to accomplish. And in the Greek tradition
1356
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:51.479
this is called the diamond they a I m O
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01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:55.359
n or in the Roman tradition it's called the genius
1358
01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.359
comes from the North African word genie the spirit who's
1359
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:04.079
already there, and some indigenous Africans call it the divine.
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01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:07.520
Twin current day use is very often something as the
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01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:11.560
spirit Guide and this this this figure lives in the
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01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.920
world of dream in the other world, lives and accompanies
1363
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:20.039
us throughout life and uh and talks to us and
1364
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:23.279
it's on standby and wants to help us and probably
1365
01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:27.199
our some of our intuitions and feelings come from this character.
1366
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.680
But in the dream or in the Lucid dream, we
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01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:36.079
can directly engage with this character for support and guidance
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01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:39.279
in our life. And so if you're for anyone that
1369
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.439
becomes Lucid tonight or in the next little while, you
1370
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.720
can yell out, I would love to meet one of
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01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.720
my spirit guides. That would be helpful for me to
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01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.159
to meet. And then either they step forward most of
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01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:57.159
the time, or if they don't, they just feel it's
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01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.439
not the right time to engage, and then and you
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01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.520
do just another experiment. But that way you have the
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01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:08.000
direct experience with these characters and then maybe also come
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01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:12.239
prepared tell it. Thank you so much for helping me.
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01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:17.800
I appreciate all the effort you put into keeping me
1379
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:22.960
on the path. And again, is there anything I can
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01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.119
do for you? Is there anything you want to tell me?
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01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:30.600
Haven't have a conversation with this figure and your life
1382
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:35.399
will you You'll have just this life changing, mind blowing
1383
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:39.840
experience that will you'll will change your life forever.
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01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:43.600
Yeah, there's so many that it seems benefits that you
1385
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:47.119
can achieve through engaging with your dreams. One of the
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things you write about is how to nurture and build
1387
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:52.800
a relationship with your soul through dream work. Could you
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01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:53.760
talk a little bit about that.
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01:31:54.720 --> 01:32:00.920
Yeah, I think that we all have a soul, and
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the little soul is connected to the larger soul a
1391
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:07.680
little bit like we are a wave on the ocean
1392
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:12.720
and uh. And the wave is made of the same
1393
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substance as the ocean, and technically there's no difference. Just
1394
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.439
this is a wave and this little way this wave,
1395
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.640
and maybe the foam on top is is this eye
1396
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.800
and and the rest of the wave is our personal unconscious,
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01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.359
our soul, and it's attached to the larger soul of
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01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:35.600
the ocean. And in dreams we uh, we get in
1399
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touch with our soul and uh not unlike with the
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01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:45.680
spirit guides or the diamond or the genius. And the
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01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.359
soul is is the core of who we are and
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01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:53.119
what we're about to become. And it expresses itself in
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01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:57.640
dream and it gives directions and it shows what doesn't go,
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01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:00.760
what can be different, and how we can get further
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01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:05.640
and comes with advice. But we can proactively nurture that
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01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:09.000
relationship and we can we can in this reality you
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01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:13.560
already start saying, soul, I'm interested in giving more expression
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01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:18.640
to you. And tonight in the dream, please show me
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01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:21.479
one thing that you that I should focus upon right
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01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:27.119
now to bring you into the world in a more beautiful,
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01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:31.439
interesting way. And then you will have a dream that
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01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.920
shows what your soul thinks that you're the best next
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01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:38.279
step is for you, And sometimes it's a little step
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01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:40.560
that you need to take. Sometimes it's a big step,
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01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:45.319
but it knows best and uh, and it gives it
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01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:48.680
gives you advice that's really in your best interest. So
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dreams are an expression of your soul, and the soul
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is there really to help you, and you can connect
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through it in your dreams. And in this dream incubation,
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you can ask the question and people can ask anything
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01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:08.920
that is relevant to their life. So if you ask
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01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.000
what did my neighbor have for dinner last night, it's
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01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:15.680
always like not interesting. But if you say, how can
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01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.119
I be a better partner, how can I be more laughing?
1425
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:22.000
What's going on between me and this person? How can
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I solve my health issue, which a lot of people
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also do. I recently had a person who had a
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01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:40.199
tremendous pain in his stomach and had going on for weeks,
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01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:42.640
and then one evening it was so terrible that he
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woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't sleep,
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01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:51.159
went through the process. Of course you knew this question,
1432
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:58.119
asked what is going on for me, did a little ritual,
1433
01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:00.199
went to bed, and had the following dream. And in
1434
01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:06.239
the dream, he is uh uh. First he is sitting
1435
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:11.920
at the table and he's he's talking to someone with
1436
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:15.000
a with a cabbage as as a hat, and the
1437
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:21.520
person is sweating prof prof profoundly. And then uh, he
1438
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:26.000
is uh uh talking to someone at the table who says,
1439
01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:29.359
who's also not feeling well, says, oh, I had a
1440
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:35.479
fermented hamburger, and uh. And then he left there and
1441
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:39.680
he went to a place where there were a restaurant
1442
01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:43.439
and they had some eggs, and then he decided that
1443
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.039
the eggs were not he wanted to have the eggs.
1444
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:50.079
And then he woke up and he thought, huh, these
1445
01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:54.640
three foods, the fermented of the cabbage, the fermented hamburger,
1446
01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:58.359
and the eggs are maybe not so good for me,
1447
01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:02.680
And so he stopped eating all fermented food. No more cabbage,
1448
01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:05.560
no more eggs and the and the and the pain
1449
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:10.800
in the stomach disappeared within days, and so the dream
1450
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:14.880
is interested also in helping on on on these medical problems.
1451
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:17.199
Now, how far do you think that can go? Do
1452
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:19.520
you think this is a form of a placebo? Are
1453
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:23.359
something more that's actually affecting our biology?
1454
01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:23.920
Uh?
1455
01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:29.520
Well, both placebos do affect our biology, and placebos is
1456
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:34.720
really Uh. You take either an innate substance or you
1457
01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:39.520
have a sham surgery and you get healed, you get better,
1458
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:42.960
and then the question becomes, what is it that uh
1459
01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:48.159
triggers this healing response, because it's not the surgery and
1460
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:52.079
uh and the and the substance and what it What
1461
01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:57.319
it really is is this is your is is the
1462
01:36:57.319 --> 01:37:01.439
same reality carreating principles the you can learn in the
1463
01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:06.560
in the in the dream name it's your expectation, believe, intent,
1464
01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:11.760
reaching out to something larger, focus and the mystery source
1465
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:19.000
X and that that creates healing. So uh, you can
1466
01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:22.119
apply this method of asking your dream for help also
1467
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:26.359
in this reality. It's just that dreams are when you're
1468
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.039
in the dream state, you seem to be in a
1469
01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:32.399
frequency that is easier to access that information or get
1470
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:37.199
healing but it applies also to this reality and uh
1471
01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:43.760
and Placebo's work based on creating a great ritual, because
1472
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:45.920
you just go through a whole ritual of going to
1473
01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:49.640
the to the hospital getting this sham surgery and then
1474
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:52.319
you can walk again, and it is of course a
1475
01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:57.720
miracle with your own body healed itself by you aligning
1476
01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:01.000
with it in a certain way that would trigger this
1477
01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:07.800
healing response. And part of that is the ritual combined
1478
01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:11.319
with these psychological reality creating principles.
1479
01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:14.199
Well, let's talk a little bit more about those rituals.
1480
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:17.399
How can people develop these in what it would exactly
1481
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:20.640
are you meaning by rituals to engage your soul and
1482
01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:21.279
your dreams?
1483
01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:26.399
Yeah, a ritual is, how I see it, any form
1484
01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:30.800
in which you grind this reality and get yourself in
1485
01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:34.479
a space where the other world can flow in. So
1486
01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:36.760
I think that you have this world, but that co
1487
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:42.960
existing is the world of out of body experiences, the
1488
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:47.199
dream world, the near death experiences. These are just different
1489
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:52.159
states of consciousness or different worlds co existing. They exist
1490
01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:55.680
next to each other or interwoven in each other, and
1491
01:38:56.560 --> 01:39:00.000
we live in this world that is rather dense. Thereforeight
1492
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:04.920
call it often dense reality. And dense reality. If you
1493
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:09.840
want to grind it open, you get a dreaming consciousness
1494
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:14.960
that comes in and the dreaming consciousness contains the healing,
1495
01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.479
the healing powers, and the creative powers, and you want
1496
01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:23.239
to have that into your world. And you do that
1497
01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:31.800
by lighting a candle, doing a song, a prayer, and
1498
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:35.319
anything that has to do with or a dance that
1499
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.960
you become a little bit less dense in this reality.
1500
01:39:39.439 --> 01:39:41.680
You open up so that the flow of life can
1501
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:46.079
come in. When the flow of life comes in place,
1502
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:51.119
ebo can happen, dream responses come, You become more creative,
1503
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:57.239
your intuition becomes better, You're more attuned to synchronicities because
1504
01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:01.319
the very focused driven mind is not so open to
1505
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:06.800
the other world. So a ritual is not like you
1506
01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:11.720
have to do kendle first, then these four steps, then
1507
01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:15.920
sing this song. But it is just you do something
1508
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.319
that spontaneously comes to you. And you can use these
1509
01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:23.560
classic ingredients like making a libation, lighting a candle, doing
1510
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:29.199
a prayer, but then think about what would work for you.
1511
01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:34.039
And if you have an illness, you might make a
1512
01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:37.640
drawing and that's how you feel and where you want
1513
01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:41.760
to go. Or I know a painter who put a
1514
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:45.760
blank canvas next to his bed as a ritual to
1515
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:49.720
get inspiration for painting. A writer who got stuck in
1516
01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:54.399
the story just put the printed out the chapter that
1517
01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:57.319
he was stuck and put it under his pillow. Those
1518
01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:03.359
are personalized rituals, and people can can do Almost anything
1519
01:41:03.439 --> 01:41:05.960
can be a ritual if you put your heart and
1520
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:10.039
focus and awareness in it as a way to open
1521
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:15.680
up to the other world. Does that make yeah?
1522
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:18.399
Yes, uh. And I want to go back to the
1523
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:23.439
intelligences that we interact with at times. Many times people
1524
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:29.199
interact with deceased loved ones or deceased friends and ancestors.
1525
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:33.359
Do you think that these are actually the essence or
1526
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:37.319
spirit or soul of the ancestors or something else we've created.
1527
01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:43.399
I think that sometimes we see an ancestor that is
1528
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:48.199
the personal mind creating that person that happens. You see
1529
01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:52.760
it somewhere and somewhere in the restaurant is Uncle Joe mhm.
1530
01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:58.920
But then there's also many people report to have experiences
1531
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:03.039
that they said, I met Mom and Mom had the
1532
01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:07.800
most amazing dress, and I felt this was Mom. And
1533
01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:12.520
they very often profound impact on a person's life. And
1534
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:16.720
I've had those dreams that I was convinced this is
1535
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:22.000
the essence, this is the spirit of my father or
1536
01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:25.920
my grandfather, my aunt coming to visit me in the
1537
01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:30.359
dream space. And those dreams usually had a different quality,
1538
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:38.600
what you would call a numinosity, a certain intensity, and
1539
01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:42.159
almost a bit of a sacredness to it, where I
1540
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:47.199
would meet these characters. And many people have had that.
1541
01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:50.800
And I don't know if you feel that you've met
1542
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:51.880
your ancestors.
1543
01:42:53.159 --> 01:42:56.720
I have met what I believe to be spirit guides,
1544
01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:01.079
possibly ancestors, and my grandmother one time.
1545
01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:06.920
Yeah yeah, yeah, so and and and I think that
1546
01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.439
most people have had or I know that most people
1547
01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:14.079
have had such an experience in their life.
1548
01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:15.439
Uh.
1549
01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:19.840
And of course it always remains was it really Uncle Joe?
1550
01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.720
Was it really my dad? And I think that the
1551
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:28.399
only real answer there is did it did it give
1552
01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:33.319
you the impression that it was that way? Scientifically we
1553
01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:36.760
can we can probably not answer that, even if they
1554
01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:40.359
tell us sometimes information that we don't know, you can
1555
01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:45.880
find other explanation models there. I think, trust yourself. Did
1556
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:49.000
it feel like like a real, real visitation?
1557
01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:50.600
Uh?
1558
01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:53.720
I would go with it. I do in my life.
1559
01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:56.600
Do you think that we would have to ever worry
1560
01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:01.399
about negative entities actually having an effect on us in
1561
01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:03.159
these realms.
1562
01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:07.159
Well in and I've I was born in South Africa,
1563
01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:10.640
so I visited a lot a lot of African South
1564
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:17.600
African indigenous healers and and there it's very uh much
1565
01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:22.880
common understanding that uh some spirits are are are benign
1566
01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:26.000
and some are more dark, and you need to be
1567
01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:31.439
a bit careful. And especially uh uh when when people
1568
01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:40.159
do activities that aren't really uh positive, like maybe excessive
1569
01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:46.399
drinking or addiction or stealing, uh, it looks like they're
1570
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:52.680
opening up to spirits coming in that aren't aren't in
1571
01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:58.840
your best interest. And but we also could meet just
1572
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:03.880
like in this reality, figures that that aren't that aren't
1573
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:07.560
in our best interest, whether they're jealous or they want
1574
01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:11.399
to do excessive drugs or want us to do commit
1575
01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:14.960
fraud or whatever they wanted to do. Also in the
1576
01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:17.920
other world, there appears to be once in a while
1577
01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:23.119
a figure that isn't isn't isn't helpful. But what is
1578
01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:27.840
the best protection is is try to live in and
1579
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:33.279
life that is in alignment with your soul. Then there's
1580
01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:38.199
not much they bounce off of that. There's not much
1581
01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:42.319
to to get there. But when we're in a place
1582
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:46.000
where we're wounded or we're really jealous or super hateful,
1583
01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:50.880
we seem to be getting in frequencies where we start meeting,
1584
01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:54.920
like mind that more malicious entities.
1585
01:45:56.079 --> 01:45:58.800
And when also when you look into the world of
1586
01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:02.920
things and ties we can contact in these different realms.
1587
01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:06.000
One of the things that comes up, especially for me
1588
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:08.800
with a lot of guests I've had, is what they
1589
01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:14.119
call extraterrestrial abduction or contact experiences. And these seem to
1590
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:17.239
be happening a lots of times in either a dream
1591
01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:21.039
state or some sort of astral type of realm or
1592
01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:24.760
not this reality where they're being either taken to or
1593
01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:27.960
they somehow end up there in their dreams, and its
1594
01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:32.640
mixed experiences. Some of them are very transformative spiritual experiences
1595
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:35.800
that the people come back and they get they make
1596
01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.279
their lives better and it's a wonderful, beautiful thing, and
1597
01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:40.439
some of them are quite terrifying, where they feel like
1598
01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:43.720
they're being experimented on and things are taken from their
1599
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:47.479
body and all kinds of strangeness. What is your thoughts
1600
01:46:47.479 --> 01:46:48.560
on that whole phenomenon.
1601
01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:54.600
Well, it's clear that these experiences happen to people, and
1602
01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.279
that they seem to get in touch with the other
1603
01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:02.359
world or the other world, and that whether it's the
1604
01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:06.479
dream world or in another world where they are transported
1605
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:10.319
out of this reality somewhere else. They were driving the car.
1606
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:14.760
Two hours later they find themselves standing beside the road
1607
01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:20.560
and they remember being in an abducted in a spaceship,
1608
01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:27.079
having had this experience, and what what what what the
1609
01:47:27.279 --> 01:47:30.880
mimics or has some structure of is these other worldly
1610
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.720
journeys that you sometimes see in the more shamanic tradition,
1611
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:40.359
where a figure is somewhat initiated into the understanding that
1612
01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:43.239
there is more than this world, that there is another
1613
01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:47.800
world that is inhabited by beings that have an autonomy
1614
01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:51.159
of their own, have an intelligence of their own. And
1615
01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:55.760
sometimes that is, like with the shaman, is is somewhat benign.
1616
01:47:56.319 --> 01:48:01.119
And other times they get broken open and it's a
1617
01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:05.319
rather painful exercise that will be put back together usually
1618
01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:10.119
and then they're here again. And but it is it
1619
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:15.680
has somewhat of an initiation into the other world and
1620
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:20.199
the existing of another world, and their life is never
1621
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:24.640
the same anymore. They know in their in their own being,
1622
01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:28.840
there's more than this world. There are other worlds with
1623
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:32.680
figures in it that that exists.
1624
01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:36.920
Yeah, it's one of the most fascinating, incredible aspects of it.
1625
01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:39.600
I want to get your take on shared dreams, if
1626
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.039
this is possible, and if you've kind of documented or
1627
01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:44.279
heard anything about this.
1628
01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:48.640
Yes, I I have not, not not that many. But
1629
01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:51.920
the most remarkable one I once heard was someone was
1630
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:56.159
telling their colleague, Hey, I saw you. I saw you
1631
01:48:56.279 --> 01:49:00.479
yesterday in my dream. We were at an at amusement
1632
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:04.359
park and we were in a roller coaster and the
1633
01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:08.239
colleague was like, what I saw you in the dream.
1634
01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:10.199
You were sitting in front of me, and the other
1635
01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:15.119
on was what you said, we're sitting behind me. Yeah,
1636
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:19.640
so that is that is that is wild. And I
1637
01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:22.640
know from people who have become lucid in the dream,
1638
01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:27.920
and I've done experiments in uh, so you become lucid,
1639
01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:30.000
you know you're dreaming, and then let's say that you
1640
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:33.800
and I would agree on this tonight, if we become lucid,
1641
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:36.760
will visit each other. And so I would say, I
1642
01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:40.680
want to visit your dream, give you a signal like
1643
01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:44.640
I'm doing this, and then the next day I would say,
1644
01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:48.720
did you do you remember seeing me, and if so,
1645
01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:54.239
was there anything that I did? And so if people
1646
01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:59.479
put up these types of experiments with a very high correlation,
1647
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:01.920
or people were accurately able to say, oh, yeah, I
1648
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:06.279
saw you, you did this, and especially if they both
1649
01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:10.560
get locid at the same time, it's much easier to remember.
1650
01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:14.640
But so people seem to be able to do that.
1651
01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.439
There's anecdotal evidence. And I think if you take that
1652
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:24.199
metaphor of we're all waves attached to the ocean, that
1653
01:50:24.239 --> 01:50:28.720
we that we share this collective space, and that we
1654
01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:32.439
that we that we are able to visit each other
1655
01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:33.479
in the dream space.
1656
01:50:34.239 --> 01:50:38.279
Well, aren't they doing some fascinating experiments at places like
1657
01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:41.640
the Monroe Institute with things like this not only dreams,
1658
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:44.960
but shared astral experiences and out of body experiences and
1659
01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:45.680
things like that.
1660
01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:49.439
Yeah, I don't know much about what they do, but
1661
01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:52.760
I've read about it and that that they have some
1662
01:50:52.840 --> 01:50:59.560
really interesting, credible data to show that this is that
1663
01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:02.920
some people are, that this is possible in some people,
1664
01:51:03.439 --> 01:51:05.520
And to me it makes all the sense of the world.
1665
01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:11.000
I believe there's a collective unconscious that we can we
1666
01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:12.439
can be in each other's dreams.
1667
01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:17.239
Now one of the other things that prevents people from
1668
01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:20.520
either remembering dreams or even having dreams is not reaching
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that state of sleep that a r EM sleep state
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to where you can actually experience this. And you know
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I have trouble sleeping at times myself. Is there any
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advice you can give people about this?
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Well, you probably still have dreams. They also happen outside
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of the rams sleep. There's by far, if you wake
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people up, they always say, yes, I was in a dream,
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and the uh, the most intense dreams are there in
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in in ability to sleep. It depends a little bit
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what causes a person to wake up, and what sometimes
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01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:03.880
have helped is just to see what do I wake
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up to? So and I wake up to the thought
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that I need to do something, or that I need
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to yeah, that I that I'm anxious about X, Y
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01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:23.520
and C or at once at three am, I have
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01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:27.319
some catastrophic thinking about Oh I did this and horrible
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01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.399
that I did that. Just write it down in a
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little notebook at that moment to say, okay, dream of
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waking up, I'm waking up to I need to do
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01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:40.039
the following things. I need to check my tax and
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I need to check the car and call mom and
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then just say tomorrow morning, the first thing I will
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do is I will spend some time on it. It's
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almost like the soul that the soul wanted you to
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01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:59.960
work on it. And at three am your most liable
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to hear the whispers of your soul. And so then
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it comes in. And if you say okay, I'm gonna
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work on it the next day and they have to
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follow through on it, something in you know. So I've
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been hurt, I've been listened to. The message came through.
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It brings the anxiety down and we can usually sleep further.
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Then we can apply that. Then if the next night
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01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:25.199
you wake up again, just go through the same procedure
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till your soul knows, hey, I'm being listened to. I
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don't need to bother them. He's following through listening better
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01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:40.439
to the intuitions throughout the day, and that that helps.
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Of course, there are more reasons why people wake up
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01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:48.760
to the night, but this is this is a big one.
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Yeah. Now, I have a couple of personal experiences that
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really stuck with me that I want to get your
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take on. One of them was I I am dreaming
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and I was sleeping next to one of my ex
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girlfriends at the time, and in my dream, it was
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a pretty terrifying dream. There was a home invasion and
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I'm being tied up and she's there with me, and
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she's being tied up, and all of a sudden, it's
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like they were grabbing these huge vats of water and
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started pouring it on us. At this like, at the
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01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:20.680
same time they started pouring these vats of water on us,
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my girlfriend accidentally spilled her drink all over my head.
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And it was like this amazing type of chain of
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01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:32.479
reaction from my dream to the time I wake up terrified,
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01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:35.840
soaking well, like not knowing if this is reality, what's
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01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:39.279
going on. But it was such a strong correlation to
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what was happening in my dream to the water hitting
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my face. I found it pretty profound. What are your
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thoughts on that.
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Yeah, what they've done some research on is infuse certain
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experiences in people's environment. For example, they would put people
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in a sleep laboratory to sleep dream and then put
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in a certain smell or start heating the room up
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or making it very cold, and sometimes the dream would
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start incorporating that. So let's say you would put the
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smell of smoke, then at once, the dream would start
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creating a situation where maybe the kitchen was on fire.
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And so the dream does seem to take into account
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external circumstances. So one variation with your dream could be
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the moment she poured it on you, your dream immediately
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makes this flood flood in your dream.
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Right, So it was as she was pouring the water
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it started to form this dream. But in my dream
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it seemed like it was a longer length of time
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than actually you know, occurred with a split second of water.
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Yeah, so that is it. There is one way, of course,
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it could be that your dream was by chance or
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or no. Probably your dream would know what your what
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01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:15.720
your girlfriend was doing, your you were dreaming this, and
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independent of that that happened. It would be a curiosity.
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Of course, the dream is capable of doing that. So
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it could that it mimicked of those two processes happened
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independently and merged in terms of meaning. Research has shown
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that the first very variation does happen, which which could
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01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:45.800
make sense. It could also happen independently where there is
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01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:52.279
more synchronistic event uh and uh and and the dream
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01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:56.920
somehow knew what was about to happen and anticipated it.
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Yeah, one of the more common things is here the
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telephone ring, and it'll ring in my dreams. Or I'll
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01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.760
leave the TV on in the background and I'll start
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01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:06.880
dreaming about the movie that's on and I'll be in
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01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:07.800
the movie and stuff.
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So that's a good one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, And that is not unlike unlike
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01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:17.039
the technique of dream incubation. What you have there is like, oh,
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the movie is playing, and then and then your own
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01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:22.840
dreaming will pick up on the theme and what you
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01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:26.359
were thinking of or were influenced by you start dreaming about.
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And that is where their ritual also comes from. You
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put pressure and focus on I want to have an
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01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:35.600
answer to what is uh, what's my biggest block in
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01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:39.399
my dating life? And then that that moves into your dream.
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01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:43.359
And the more you put focus on it, that's the ritual.
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The more likely it will go into your dream, and
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01:57:47.239 --> 01:57:49.279
the more likely your dream will give you an answer.
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01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:54.279
But yeah, funny is how that happens. I've heard people
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01:57:54.680 --> 01:57:58.399
read the book Fall Asleep, finish the book, we're excited
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01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:01.039
about it, and then notice that it was a completely
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01:58:01.039 --> 01:58:03.159
different ending than than the real book.
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Oh that's a good one.
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Wow.
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Yeah, man, I love this is fascinating stuff. I want
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to close on this. I want to get your thoughts
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01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:13.479
on sleep paralysis and some of the things that can
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01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:17.079
occur during these instances. For me, I had sleep paralysis
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01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:19.239
for a period of two or three years back in
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01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:23.000
It was a you know, a pretty dark time in
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01:58:23.039 --> 01:58:25.319
my life. I wasn't in the best place. I was
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01:58:25.359 --> 01:58:28.079
going through divorce and wasn't sleeping well. But when I
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01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:31.520
did sleep, I would experience these the bouts of paralysis
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01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:33.359
where I couldn't move trying to get up, and then
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01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:36.439
these kind of shadow figures would start surrounding me or
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be walking in my room. I could see them passing,
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01:58:39.079 --> 01:58:41.800
and I'd hear loud, banging noises that I couldn't do
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01:58:41.880 --> 01:58:44.760
anything about, just all kinds of creepy stuff until I
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01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:49.000
just finally break out of whatever it was. What is
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01:58:49.039 --> 01:58:50.159
your insights into this?
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01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:56.560
Yeah, it's an It's an it's somewhat rare but also
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01:58:57.159 --> 01:59:02.560
common experience. And what's happens is, uh at when when
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we when we fall asleep and we dream, usually our
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01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:11.000
body gets paralyzed so that we don't act out. You know,
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01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:14.800
you see people move around, but we don't. We don't
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01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:19.880
flap around or fight off the monsters while as sleep,
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So your body gets paralyzed and then we wake up,
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01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:26.800
and and sometimes we wake up and then the body
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01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:30.960
is still paralyzed, and that is sleep paralysis. And it
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01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:34.399
almost always goes between thirty seconds and three minutes it
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01:59:34.479 --> 01:59:40.640
goes away, so it's it's completely harmless. It's a natural phenomenon.
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01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:43.680
There's not any person in the world that had this
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01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:48.520
and was paralyzed for life. And so if people know, hey,
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01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:52.960
this this is uh uh, and my body is still asleep,
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01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.319
and usually you can start wiggling your fingers and then
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01:59:56.359 --> 02:00:00.479
you go come back to to life. There's one way
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of being with it. And then the other thing that
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like you know that and so many people have that is, hey,
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I start seeing these these darker characters in the room,
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and it appears that there's some overlap of the dreaming
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02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:25.239
consciousness flowing into this this reality. It's like these these
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02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:30.119
worlds are are merged and and for for for some reason,
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02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:37.479
it's more often a darker content that people see. If
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02:00:37.479 --> 02:00:40.039
you're really lucid at that moment, you could even say,
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02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:42.880
who are you, what are you doing here? What do
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02:00:42.920 --> 02:00:46.880
you want do you have anything to tell me? You
1820
02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:50.720
could ask and see what happens. It's it's it's not
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02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:56.399
they can't literally harm you. You wake up and you'll
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02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:00.119
be fine. There's this overlap of states of consciousness that
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02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:04.159
are blending, and it takes a couple of minutes for
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that to go away.
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02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:10.520
Yeah, that's so interesting. And the overlap also occurs from
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dream states and sleep paralysis to people who have experienced
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02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:18.159
astral travel or out of body experience. I heard have
1828
02:01:18.279 --> 02:01:21.399
also encountered these beings when they would pop out of
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02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:23.680
their body, they'd see them, you know, standing there where
1830
02:01:23.720 --> 02:01:25.920
they would be if you had sleep paralysis, when they
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02:01:25.960 --> 02:01:28.600
pop out of their body and see them, And usually
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02:01:28.720 --> 02:01:31.560
it's not a pleasant experience when they first encounter them.
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02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:40.399
Yeah, And in sleep paralysis it's usually that way. Probably
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what my experience is with the out of body experiences
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02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:46.560
is it also reflects a bit of persons state of mind,
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02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:49.640
where they are at that moment. Some people who feel
1837
02:01:49.680 --> 02:01:54.359
in a better state usually have a fewer of those experiences.
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02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:58.960
So you own your own place reflects a bit where
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02:01:59.039 --> 02:02:03.880
you see but I know people. Yeah, And but that
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doesn't explain why in sleep aaralysis it is more often dark.
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02:02:09.600 --> 02:02:12.600
Maybe also we're quickly afraid for it that turns them
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more dark.
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Yeah, I love this man. I could talk about this
1844
02:02:16.359 --> 02:02:19.199
stuff all day now. Before you head out for the
1845
02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:25.079
audience that is interested in learning about how to harness
1846
02:02:25.079 --> 02:02:28.640
the power of their dreams and engage with them, what's
1847
02:02:28.680 --> 02:02:30.840
the best way for them to find out more about
1848
02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:32.279
your work and what you're offering.
1849
02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:36.439
Well, I wrote a book titled Dream Guidance that people
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02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:41.359
can purchase on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles. There's a website
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02:02:41.399 --> 02:02:45.760
called Bookdepository dot com that delivers books for free all
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02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:47.840
around the world, so no matter where you are, if
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02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:51.560
Amazon and Barnes and Noble isn't there, And there's a
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great way of where I teach this five steps how
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02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:58.319
to do it, create a question, the rituals, and how
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02:02:58.359 --> 02:03:02.359
to work with the answer. And besides that, I started
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a company called the Young Platform ju n g platform
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dot com based out of a night am dream, where
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we provide programs on jungien and soul psychology, from shadow works, synchronicity,
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archetypes to Tibet dream work, shamanism. We have one hundred
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and fifty year programs there, so for everyone something, or
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visit my personal website, which is the most difficult of them.
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Also my name marchial clerk dot com. Maybe you can
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put it in the footnotes. It's m ah okay, great,
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let's have people go there. But if people type in
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dream Guidance, they probably already get to me because that's
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my book and that will lead there. But machiel clerk
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dot com w will get you to all the services
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that I offer and the dreamwork and therapy and young platform.
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Yes, I'll definitely have all those notes in the description
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so people can just easily click that and go visit
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your site. Michil, Thank you so much. This was fantastic.
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I'd love to definitely talk with you again in the future.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate your energy and your inquisitive mind and have
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made it the joy to be with you.
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Oh wonderful. Look forward to the next time. Until next time, everyone,
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have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See alber