FKN Classics Double Feature! Doenut - Hive Mind | Jonathon Meyers - Enter the Void

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Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
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want to welcome back to the show Donut. He is
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a researcher and host and creator of Donut Factory and
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Donut Factory Podcast.
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Donut, welcome. How you doing?
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Yo, yo, what up? Thank you for having me back.
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Doing all right. I'm doing all right.
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Good, man. Welcome back. It's great to have you.
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I really enjoyed our conversation last time. Today, I just
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wanted to once again share your research into the hidden
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symbolism of reality theater that we're subjected to if we
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choose to interact with the devices and technology that the
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Matrix provides for us. But as you very well know,
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there are layers and layers of deception to peel through
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when looking into these operations. And I'm really looking forward
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to hearing some of your insights and theories.
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But before we get.
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Too deep, it's been a little while since you've been on.
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Remind the audience just a little bit about yourself and
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let them know where they can find you. Oh, yo.
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Okay. It's doughnut. I am. Oh.
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It's a big cat, man.
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It's that big cat, Chan. I covered the occult symbolism.
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And I like to get creative. You know, you can
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find all my work at D-O-E-N-U-T. Donut. I'm just waking
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up right now.
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Well, right on.
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Well, as we progress and you wake up, we'll get
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a little deeper and deeper.
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But let's just start out with how.
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You're feeling about everything since we last spoke.
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It's been.
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interesting year it's been almost about that I think since
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we last spoke but some very interesting things have been
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unfolding especially with like I said the political theater I've
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discussed this quite a bit my audience knows how I
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feel about the whole thing I think it's all theatrics
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I think that we are being subjected to a massive
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sleight of hand right now but I I hope to
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be wrong.
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I really do. I hope that all.
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The promises being made and all the wonderful, glorious things
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that the quote-unquote white hats are promising will come through,
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but my gut and history tells me better.
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So, I don't know.
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How do you feel about everything?
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Politically?
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We'll start with politics, because that's at the forefront right now,
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and then we'll delve deeper.
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As we go. Yeah, it's a big revealing happening right
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now because we saw during the lockdown, it was mostly
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the people that brought in revolution with protests on streets
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and snitching on the neighbor, yelling at you, and applying
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the mentality of, yes, lock me down. So when it
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comes to the political theater, I think about the ideology
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of the people, right? Everyone's looking at the leaders, but
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what about this ideology that's carried on with the people?
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And most people, there's like two different mentalities of they
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want to be ruled. All throughout history, people have been
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wanting a king or queen to rule them. And this
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is no different than today. The experiment of America, she's
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so young, and the retaking over of America back when
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it started from a like the British Empire or whatever,
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that reclaiming happened a long time ago. And so when
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I'm looking at this political theater, I'm looking at people
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and a lot of people revealing their ideologies. And you
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got this far left ideology that's been on the rise
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with the woke movement of the woke left. And now
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we're seeing that same type of ideology creep in with
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the woke right as well. And what really broke my
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brain from studying the symbolism, because what I do is
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I look at symbols and symbology. As you can see,
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I sound like a dumbass when I'm talking. I'm like,
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pause it and wake it up. I'm a video editor,
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so I show symbolism, and I started off showing new, like, NWO,
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Illuminati symbolism. And then you get deeper into the heraldry,
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and then looking into the symbols of socialism, the symbols
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of world communism that the great Jordan Maxwell would speak of,
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of the sun rising over the mountain, and the bringing
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in and ushering in of this worldwide communism. And you
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just see the symbols and studying them. And then once
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you figure out, this broke my freaking brain a year
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ago or before Trump was elected or maybe a little after,
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I don't know. But once I realized the ideology of
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these leftists, socialists, that it just broke everything down into
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different camps. I'm like, wow, so much of the, the
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movements that I grew up in kind of listening to
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rage against the machine or, you know, stuff like, like that.
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These different movements that are sort of pushed by hot
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topic and manufactured the same thing goes for Andrew Tate
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and Greta Thunberg. That, This ideology of the lunatic left
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that we saw with the screaming when the person got
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elected with Trump and she was screaming. And we're just
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seeing that whole system now on the rise in the right.
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That's absolutely huge. And they're called the woke right now.
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But I've been just... The whole political theater of things,
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I've been just watching the people, the crowd, because that's
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who's under the hypnosis.
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Is the crowd. You're correct.
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You said the right word, hypnosis, and I've been watching
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the same thing. I've been noticing friends turned against friends
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and family members cut off other family members.
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And spew hate at each other.
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Over all this nonsense, supporting the most evil, disgusting people
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on the planet. And since when did conspiracy theorists ever
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support the government? And now we have, I have longtime
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friends who have been deep into the conspiracy world. Now
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they're completely on the Trump train, supporting everything they do.
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It's wild to see this.
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First, there was trump derangement syndrome now there's like you
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said trump hypnosis syndrome and the man can do nothing
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wrong but i see a lot of concerning things that
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are being hidden with the left hand as that right
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hand presents all these shiny things to us right.
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Well you know the the thing is i've been studying
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geopolitics for for many many years and i would uh
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argue that a lot of these conspiracy theorists and whatnot
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don't actually like uh the maga movement at all um
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and i i believe it's a a camouflage where they
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say they're supporting uh him but then you look at
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their their actions and they're not conservative right um so
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that's that's why i Things have changed where people won't
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allow anybody to have their own religion, to have their
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own political choice anymore. We've gone to the side of
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instead of deep study, work, books, symbolism, research, live and
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let live. It's all turned into emotional manipulation and rhetoric
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for views pushed by an algorithm of hate. So the
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whole thing is, it just seems, it's just the new social,
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like the social media influencers, including myself, right, up on
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the stage, it's very cult-like. And it's driven not by
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the comfort of the books and the truth. and the
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research and the mystery. It is all the narcissism algorithmic
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basis of likes or attention, even bad attention, like bad attention.
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narcissists love it because it's called narcissistic supply.
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This is something that I wanted to discuss as well
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as what we're seeing within the community. There's a lot
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of people saying that there are infiltration agents, that there
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are people intentionally being inserted within the community to spread
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misinformation and they prop them up, which I'm sure that's happening.
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But I think it's more along the lines of what
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you're saying that There is this subconscious energy that is
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emanating throughout this conspiracy community that people are latching onto,
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and it's a very toxic thing. It's a very narcissistic thing.
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It doesn't even matter if the information is true. They
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will only go to a surface level of research and
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present that regurgitated information that others have already put forward.
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But now it's like a game of telephone, and the
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information's all shitty. But still, people who haven't heard this
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quote-unquote conspiracy yet will eat it up, and it goes viral,
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and these people become the forefront of the community, the
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faces of the community, and it's all just mostly nonsense.
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There's a lot of good information.
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There's a lot of people that do great work like yourself,
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but there's others that are just regurgitating, looking at surface information,
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and just wanting that attention.
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Right, right. So, the parrot, the mockingbird media, the social
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media influencers, every single thing in the mainstream, Joe Rogan,
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for example, that is not a diss to him. He's
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the most mainstream podcast on the planet. More people watch
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Joe Rogan than any other podcast. So, that equals mainstream.
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That's where the The stream of consciousness is going. So
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you'll have characters up on Joe Rogan or wherever engaging
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with Elon Musk, Elon Musk sharing out tweets and Twitter posts,
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Fox News, the BBC, all these different corporations that have
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a conversation. And then we're told we're the media. At
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the same time, this movie, The Civil War, came out.
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which was all about the media, that we are the media,
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that we're going to cover the war and the reports.
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And then, bam, that's what happened, right? A war happened,
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and now we have all these new media figures that
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give us drips of information that the conspiracy world already knew.
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The conspiracy world already knew about the revelations that, like,
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the Doge is, like, revealing we all knew that with
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the g edward griffins and whatnot out there what was
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going on how there's all this uh corruption uh in
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in america and the i could go on for days
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about air people are just being manipulated but if you
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present them with the truth if you present them with
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the facts the logic that's gonna it doesn't take anyone
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anywhere except for like real real like real people that
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want to know everything is just what's going to make
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me feel comfortable at night. Oh, I could blame this
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group of people. Oh, perfect. All like all the antisemitism
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on the rise. This is a weapon of the NWO
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to it's worked for thousands of years that you blame
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one group of people, whatever that is. Oh, now I
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don't have to think, I don't have to research, and
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I don't have to look at the other culprits that
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are involved in the grand conspiracy. That's it. So this
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whole thing has just been freaking from the lockdowns. It
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was like the Trump election to the lockdowns to the Biden,
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the wars. And it's just been nuts.
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What do you think Trump represents, having looked at all
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the symbolism that you look at, and Musk, since you
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mentioned him as well, a few guests that I've even
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had on recently postulate that he may represent an archetype
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of the Antichrist.
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I don't know much about the Antichrist. I'm Jewish, so, like,
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The Antichrist, what I've heard from, so I'm not an
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expert on what that is, but I've talked to a
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lot of people, a lot of close friends and movies
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and research, the Antichrist, like, it's going to chip everyone, right? Like,
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or they're going to give you the mark of the beast.
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You can't be able to buy and sell. So there
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seems to be, like, a parallel to, like, Like, with
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everything going on. But also, everybody is the Antichrist, whenever
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that is. I remember in high school, when Obama got elected,
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or out of high school, like, my girlfriend would be like, Obama,
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he's the Antichrist. Check out this video.
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You know?
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So, everybody... So, like, it's, you know, I don't, I'm
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not sure, but symbolically, it's interesting because El is Elan, right?
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El is the Elohim. Elohim is the gods. So El
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being God, going back to El in etymology, the The Illies.
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John Maxwell wrote a book on it about the Illies.
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And the Illie. That's where we get Florida Illies, Illies,
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or your Prozac from Lily Corporation or wherever, you know.
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The all these words go back. So the. the Illy
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ruled on top of the hill, the Hilly. And the villains,
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the Villy, were in the village at the bottom. So
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in the etymology of Elon, that goes deep. And with Trump,
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there's a lot of Apollo with him, like his whole,
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the sun sort of symbolism. He's even bright, orange like
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the sun you know um yeah right now i'm just
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a reason right now i'm researching orange orange symbol the
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orange symbols go go wild uh and the sun symbols
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but yeah i i don't really no i kind of
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don't go where like my brain's not really there um
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Right now.
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Right on.
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Well, what do you see, and are there concerns about
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what you see being rolled out for this administration?
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The concerns of this administration and what's being rolled out?
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My concern is always the crowd. Like, it's the crowd
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that ushers in. Right. my that's my worry isn't it's
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it's the the crowd that's more so well.
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It's always us they present us with the idea and
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we bring it to life we manifest the outcome if
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it weren't for us they would not be able to
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achieve any.
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Yeah and also i guess if uh The strangest thing
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is the whole, you know, PayPal mafia really ruling everything.
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And this is the new Illuminati.
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It's the new money. So looking at it through a
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power struggle rather than politically, but just trying to look
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at it through a lens of history of power instead
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is kind of where my head's at.
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You got Peter Till, Elon Musk, whatnot. This is not
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old money. Even Trump, he's not old money. So it's
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more new money. So I'm just labeling that new Illuminati, right?
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Then you got old money. And these are bloodlines and
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families and heraldry that you won't really know about. They're
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not going to be in the headlines. You'll hear a
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Rothschild here and there. That seems to be put in
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the forefront. But there's families that they married into and
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they were allowed to marry into and who left them
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all their money who gave them that money right right
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those are so when you go more deeper into the
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bloodlines going back to these families these older families um
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that's old money like that is like illuminati like so
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we got this new illuminati uh making power move uh
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into power because the plans of the illuminati roll out
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every century like every hundred years we're so stuck on
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tiktok and reels which is just fast food for the
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mind there's just no substance and it's not deep long
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form podcasts like this or whatnot that peter till and
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the paypal mafia of silicon valley which is the military
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industrial complex we're told it's for computers or whatever but
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no it's not just like When Trump rolled out the
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wireless communication systems in rural areas during the lockdown, that
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wasn't for high-speed internet so the farmers could watch HD
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naughty videos. That was in the LeMay papers for a
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national security concern for America and her allies because this
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is fifth generation warfare. And Peter Till, who really runs
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Elon Musk with Palantir and whatnot, he's the head of
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the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, you know. So
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we're seeing just, you know, I always look at what
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about the family bloodlines, what's going to happen in 100
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years from now. Mm-hmm. and their kids.
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It's a rebranding, a changing of the guard, and it's
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rolling out the technocracy. Everything that you said is our
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worst fear.
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Of being ruled by AI robots.
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Every dystopian movie that you see where there's drones policing
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the skies and can kill you in an instant if
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they believe that you might commit a crime in the future. So,
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This is what they're rolling out right now, right under
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our noses, as far as what I can tell. But
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something else that I wanted to get to is some
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of the current events that have been unfolding, some of
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the strange things. I haven't really been able to pay
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attention to much. I've been wrapping up production on my film.
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I've been really out of looking at anything that's being
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presented in the mainstream, but I did see that Gene
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Hackman died, and there's some extremely weird shit surrounding that
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whole thing, and I saw that you did a little
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video on it, but any thoughts on that?
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Yes, yes.
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So Gene Hackman, the words, right? Gene... hack men it's
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like gene genes this is our code this is the
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whole oracle uh part of it i guess that would
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be the concern right um the you're asking about uh
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the concerns or whatever um it is like the the
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technocracy um as well um and all these big rituals
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that go down which are the Super Bowl ritual, the
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halftime show, I was showcasing over the years how these
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are sex magic rituals dedicated to Ishtar, usually. And going
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back to the weekend, so during the lockdowns with the weekend,
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they were showing all these it looks like all these
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different sperms that just collapsed on the field it was
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all men too there was no women at all so
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i was saying this is a same-sex attracted ritual uh
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and so there was no fertility i was laughed at
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you know i mean like this is what are you
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talking about that's ridiculous Then the next year happened and
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didn't watch. They're all connected. Rihanna, she was pregnant, you know,
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and everything was about the egg during that ritual. And
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you got to remember, so many eyeballs are watching this.
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This is the most popular television show of all time.
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And then you had Usher, you know, with his sexy
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abs and on the. on the next one or whatever,
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you know, get everyone, uh, all the, the, and then
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you got the hot cheerleaders, you know, this imitation of warfare, blood, fertility,
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Oregon energy, just all this different things, charging the field,
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you know, for the crops and the big distraction or
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whatever for the plebs. And then this year we had
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Hendrick Lamar and, uh, I was showing in one of
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my videos on Rumble how they are showing, it's either
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sperm or the blood cells, but they're showing the new
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man how we are being transmutated, in a sense, to
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a new man, which goes into the 2045 agenda of
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the transhumanists, coined by Julian Huxley. this technocracy to be
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worried about the X club.
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Interesting.
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It's called X, you know, Elon X, X club, uh,
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going back to this Darwinism, um, in eugenics, which the
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left loves, you know, whether that's the national socialists or
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planned parenthoods or whatever, you know, that's. And so I'll
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get to the gene.
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It takes time. This is great.
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It's all part of that. So Gene Hackman, he passes
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away right before the Oscars. And it was a ritual
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for the Oscars. And at these ceremonies, Oscars, Grammys, VMAs,
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all this, they showcase the new technologies, the new quantum computers,
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even fashion shows and whatnot. Even Beyonce, the clothes that
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they give her are showing the new technologies that are
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being like, implanted into like uh yeah uh i'm trying
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to if you put this on like you know i'm
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trying to say.
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Words it's all good man correct yeah.
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So kendrick lamar is singing the song wearing these weird
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jeans right uh singing the song about uh I got loyalty,
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I got loyalty in my DNA, you know? So he's
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singing about these songs. So they're showcasing the new human
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that's being built and Gene Hackman ritual there. The weird
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thing is, is also, I don't know if you read
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about the whole Epstein connection yet. See, I haven't really
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looked into it either, but Epstein... Was a ritual hanging
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because they hung him on August 10th. August 10th is
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the day for the helical rising of Sirius, the dog star.
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And we got the star and this dog who died,
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Gene Hackman and this dog. But Sirius plays a huge role.
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According to the guy who really created the KKK and whatnot,
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and morals and dogma, the Freemasonry... Albert Pike? Albert Pike.
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He dedicated his astrology room to the date August 10th
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and the day centering upon it. August 10th is when
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the son of Sam, who had the dog talking to him,
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he was locked up. August 10th is when Zero Day
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was announced by... Jack Dorsey on Twitter. You see a
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lot of rituals go down on August 10th in the
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day centering upon it as well. So there's a lot
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going on. So the whole Gene Hackman thing I think
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plays into just a ritual with the etymology of where
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we're heading is towards transhumanism, this technocracy like you were
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talking about.
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You mentioned that these are a ritual, and I can
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see the Super Bowl, I can see the Oscars, I
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can see these pre-planned performances 100% being a form of
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a ritual. But some of these other events that seem
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to unfold simultaneously or around the same time, like Gene
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Hackman's death or other high-impact events... It seems like the
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planning is so elaborate, almost impossible to pull off at times.
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If you look at the way ritual magic is done,
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you have to be under a certain blood moon and
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astrological sign, and all these elements have to be in place.
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And for this to be occurring on a large scale,
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on a global scale.
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As many believe that it is, it seems....
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That they would have to be some grand intelligence orchestrating this,
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something possibly non-human. Or what I lean towards these times
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is there's this energy, this synchronistic intelligence energy that when
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these parasitic sorcerers tap into this energy, they can manifest
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things and somehow cause events to unfold in our reality
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that link up in certain ways. I'm not sure, but
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what are your thoughts on that?
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Yeah. There, you know, the, the, the thing is there's
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a mystery to life, so we're not going to know everything.
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That's just the mystery. And my, my work in my
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own life is to be okay with the mystery, which
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is hard because it's scary. what's going to happen. What's
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going to happen if I ask this girl out or
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what's going to happen if I make this video or
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if I say this thing that I know the audience
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will not like, you know, what's the mystery or maybe
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they will love it, you know, like it's a, it's,
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and being okay with that mystery and the world is
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mysterious and there's this phenomenon that does happen and that's
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what I do like to look into is these Fortean
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phenomenons and, that you do get a glimpse of, wow,
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there's something going on that is higher. Like then what
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we can see, uh, there is, uh, I believe, uh,
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in God and there in recovery as well. Like I
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can't stay sober, uh, without doing certain, like, um, like
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praying to God or whatever. Like, what is that? That,
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that totally changed my psyche. Um, That was crazy. So
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when I'm looking at these rituals on the world stage,
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sometimes you get a glimpse of, yo, they could not
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have planned that. We're tapping into something with the phenomenon here.
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So there's phenomenons that I do like to study. And
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I think you're absolutely correct the way that you said that.
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That was beautiful. It could be like some sort of
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working phenomenon. where they're working with the phenomenons. They know,
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you know, at this certain time, what they're in this
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blood moon, which we're coming up on one. And I,
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I've made a public prediction. I always do public predictions.
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The whole, everyone that I podcast with, don't do that.
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It's going to ruin your life. You're going to, it's
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going to ruin everything. But I'm like, F it. Like,
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I've got the balls. I'm going to go do it.
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You know, I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying. I've
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done it a bunch of times where I'll say, yo,
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tomorrow's the 201 day. Look out for a ritual. Then
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the most massive blackout happens in world history. So, like,
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it's easy to point at dates. And I do it
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on purpose to put it on a ledger in a sense.
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For my own research and study, because it is a
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pattern recognition. How come on August 10th, these rituals happen
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or whatnot? And we're coming up on a blood moon
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on 3-1-3. This is a very interesting time. This month,
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I believe there will be a big ritual. I think
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it's going to happen in two days from now. Today's 3-8,
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which is like the murder number. But March 10th is
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the day they created the $ 100 bill. And The Economist magazine,
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which does this future gazing that shows us what's going
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to happen, has Trump lighting a $ 100 bill and setting
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it on fire. And that's paying homage to the 1988
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version where there's a phoenix rising from the ashes. So
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March 10th. That issue was released with him lighting the
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$ 100 bill. While that is the date the $ 100 bill
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was created on March 10th. And that is right before
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this eclipse, this moon. And the energy of the ritual
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of the moon is three days prior and three days
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after or the day of. So these rituals, they got
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like a pretty much like a whole week window of energy.
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but usually we see a death the day before the
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full moon. So I'm thinking, uh, the ritual will kick
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off on March 10th, which is going to be connected
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to money. And then I think it's, that's a Monday,
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which Monday is the moon moon day. And so it's
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all connected to money. And then the bigger ritual will
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happen for the spring equinox, um, on March 20th. Uh,
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so I think that is, uh, Because I'm not looking
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way too far. Like a lot of people are, you know, look,
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they're actually astrologers. Then they look into people's charts and stuff.
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I don't do that. I don't know how to. But
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so there's other time periods that are like May.
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It may be a good possibility that the players that
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we are aware of, like Trump, like Elon, like these politicians,
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may not even be aware of what they're participating in.
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They may be unwilling actors in this. They may have
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a level of awareness, but not to the extent of
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what they're connecting to, what they're bringing about into our reality.
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Or they might.
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Some say Trump is a Kabbalist and he's studied this
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his whole life. And then we have the strange thing
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with his uncle and the Tesla files and the Barron
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00:36:18.929 --> 00:36:23.710
Trump book. So There's definitely some high strangeness that surrounds
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all of it. Could it be just this synchronistic energy
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connecting everything once again?
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How aware are they?
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I don't know.
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What do you think?
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I absolutely think that all politicians, they all got court
487
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magicians like John Dee in The Queen and whatever. Steve
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Bannon is very aware of um all the different magicians
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00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:59.360
that he like studies with chaos magic and the absolutely
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like on the battlefield their enemies like for example uh u.s
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00:37:09.750 --> 00:37:13.090
they're like oh well russia is using this freaking uh
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astral projection, you know, so we're going to get on
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top of it and be the best at project, you know,
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00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.059
so like, and using astrology for certain dates to go
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into battle. So it does become a study and it
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00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.139
has been a study for a long time for warfare,
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for inaugurations. You got Biden who came out on two, two,
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two Pluto's return at two, two, 2 PM to kick
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off the war. And so it's absolutely being utilized, the
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times and dates and magic and all that, for sure, 100%.
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Everybody's using it. Everybody's doing it, man. Everybody's doing it.
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00:38:01.550 --> 00:38:08.929
Now, going back to the events and the rituals that
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we were just discussing, like the Super.
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Bowl and the Oscars, You did a video about the Oscars.
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Is there anything that you've seen in that that you'd
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like to share?
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Oh, the Oscars. I watched the whole ritual. It was
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very painful. It's just all just garbage. It's just the
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big political, get the crowd wild, get everyone distracted. It's idolatry.
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00:38:36.389 --> 00:38:41.389
It's the same thing that people have with politicians, with,
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social media influencers. It's all idolatry. People worship these memes
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and images of their leaders on their phone or whatever.
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00:38:53.900 --> 00:38:57.510
And that's what it all at the end of the
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day is. We saw all the symbols that are always there.
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00:39:00.769 --> 00:39:08.690
The all-seeing eye, the Freemasonic compass. It's always there. My
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00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:13.010
focus has been more on the crowd Lately, just because
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00:39:13.050 --> 00:39:19.059
the lockdowns, just seeing just everybody's mentality move into a crowd.
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00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:23.980
The crowd doesn't have its own consciousness. It's not the
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00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.969
individual and stepping away from the crowd. It's hard. I
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00:39:28.369 --> 00:39:32.619
i get caught up in it and uh it's it's
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i'm human you know everybody's human but i'm doing my
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00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.059
best to the step away slowly but as much as
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00:39:41.139 --> 00:39:46.579
possible away from group think which is social media that's
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the crowd so those are little echo chambers Elon looks
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00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:56.300
at everyone as an algorithm, and the algorithm is feeding
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people based off of what they like and who they
527
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:06.460
follow into these digital silos and echo chambers like you
528
00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:10.469
were saying about the parroting. There's no eureka moments of
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thought of going against the crowd. We don't know how
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to think today or read. or any of this. I've
531
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:24.880
been so socially engineered. And getting out of that, the
532
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:30.519
big thing is, is just not participating in the crowd's thoughts.
533
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.309
But that doesn't mean to be alone on an island.
534
00:40:35.530 --> 00:40:39.969
So you got to also like, observe and go in
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and talk and, and all that. And It's just been strange.
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00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:48.539
This also gets into the manufactured movement that you were
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mentioning earlier. Unfortunately, we can't find much in our modern
538
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reality that isn't a toxic manufactured movement. I always ask
539
00:40:59.849 --> 00:41:02.800
the question, did it always start out that way? Were
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all of these things that seem to be beneficial for humanity...
541
00:41:08.409 --> 00:41:12.849
Did they ever originate with someone with good intentions? Or
542
00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:15.989
are all these things being manufactured to steer us in
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00:41:16.050 --> 00:41:19.489
certain directions? I know for a fact that probably since
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the 60s and 70s, since we had the MKUltra experiments
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00:41:24.550 --> 00:41:29.449
and then they started implementing it into our mass culture,
546
00:41:30.349 --> 00:41:35.860
that is definitely when we started seeing everything being manufactured
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00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.420
from our food, our air, our water, everything we see
548
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.500
on television, especially everything we interact with on social media,
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00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:48.059
the only authenticity that we'll get in our lives is
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with nature and with each other on a one-on-one conversation.
551
00:41:52.969 --> 00:41:57.130
So this is apparently been intentional for a very long time,
552
00:41:57.309 --> 00:42:03.199
but these movements have been infiltrated most likely since the
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beginning of time, since the beginning of these rulers, at least.
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00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:18.989
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They understand this. They understand that
555
00:42:19.010 --> 00:42:23.230
when I say the rulers, the people who are in control,
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00:42:23.250 --> 00:42:28.400
they understand these movements throughout history. There's always been these
557
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.409
political movements all throughout history And you got misinformation and disinformation.
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00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:38.309
Misinformation is just like, yo, I didn't know. I never
559
00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:44.409
read that book. My bad. Disinformation is usually you get
560
00:42:44.449 --> 00:42:47.460
a bunch of truths, but they omit a lot of
561
00:42:48.139 --> 00:42:52.019
other culprits involved in the grand conspiracy, which this is
562
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.510
exactly what we see today with the rising of the secrets,
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in a sense, or of. religions as well. So the
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controllers understand from when you're a kid, you're going to
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have angst. That's great. We got Hot Topic for you.
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00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.739
Here's Hot Topic. Here's this type of music. You're not
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00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:20.579
an individual, though. You're part of a collective crowd that
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00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:27.880
has been created by corporations and elites to for you
569
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.179
to join like a hippie movement, like you brought up
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as well. We've seen the military industrial complex hands all
571
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over that. And then you, we think that we're because
572
00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:45.210
they understand the psychology from a kid, even when you're seven,
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00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:49.909
the famous quote, uh, show me, uh, uh, a kid
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00:43:49.969 --> 00:43:51.809
at the seven or show you the man. I think
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00:43:51.909 --> 00:43:53.829
Aristotle said that. I don't know who said it. There's
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a lot of different, but so, um, But it goes
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back even further to the womb, when we're in the womb.
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So the mind control starts off in the womb, which
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means the matrix. And then when we're teenagers, we're angry
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00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:18.199
and we want to rebel. Here's Greta Thunberg. Here's Andrew Tate.
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00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:24.679
And it's funny because both of them align politically. They're
582
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:31.969
both politically... A line. And even though there might be
583
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some things that they don't agree on, the bigger picture
584
00:44:34.769 --> 00:44:40.789
they do agree on. Or you'll get a political movement
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00:44:41.150 --> 00:44:44.789
as well. Oh, you're upset with what's going on here.
586
00:44:45.409 --> 00:44:48.789
Here's another crowd to join. And so the controllers, they
587
00:44:48.869 --> 00:44:54.849
understand this process throughout life. And even to our 30s.
588
00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:59.750
As well, they understand where we're going to land when
589
00:44:59.769 --> 00:45:04.019
we're all sick of it. The whole process of psychology
590
00:45:04.059 --> 00:45:08.559
of growing up has been studied for so long that
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00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.480
we'll get these different movements. So for sure, 100%.
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00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:17.130
I want to go back to something you mentioned earlier.
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That is the transformation of the human, the transhuman movement.
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00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:24.739
This is something that has been occurring for a very
595
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:29.820
long time. They've been altering humanity for a while, but
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00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:35.510
the intended outcome is becoming more obvious. It is a
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person who is completely disconnected from God's spirituality, but will
598
00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:45.300
also follow orders blindly and will just be a hive
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00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.340
mind like you were just mentioning, and It seems like
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that's what they're trying to create, this hive-minded society that
601
00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:58.210
will just be worker bees. No creativity, no imagination, and
602
00:45:58.289 --> 00:46:01.989
no connection to source or spirituality. You look back at
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00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:05.349
the TED Talk that Bill Gates did in the 90s
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00:46:05.409 --> 00:46:10.190
about vaccinating against spirituality, vaccinating against the God gene. You
605
00:46:10.230 --> 00:46:14.630
fast forward to the recent vaccines, the COVID fiasco.
606
00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:15.909
It makes you wonder.
607
00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:26.719
Oh, this technocracy goes back to eugenics, Darwinism, and all that.
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00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:30.480
The Huxleys, which also were part of this whole hippie
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00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:36.159
movement with Aldous Huxley and whatnot. It is creating this
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00:46:36.260 --> 00:46:41.949
new man, a new human species, the evolution, the Darwin evolution,
611
00:46:42.730 --> 00:46:45.949
which is all a scam. Survival of the fittest is
612
00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:50.090
a scam. But this psychopathic culture that we live in
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00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:57.159
in America, the rest of the world as well. America,
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00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:02.300
this is what's interesting about the difference between the old
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00:47:02.659 --> 00:47:10.139
type of researchers to today's social media TikTok influencers, is
616
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.070
a lot of them did love America, did love the
617
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Constitution and freedom and whatnot. In this experiment of America,
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which you can see there's also Knights Templar hands up
619
00:47:23.469 --> 00:47:28.449
in their Masonic hands, secret societies or whatever. Experiment or not,
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00:47:28.610 --> 00:47:37.360
this idea of individual rights and sovereignty is a good thing. Freedom.
621
00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:41.860
And most of the world does not agree with that.
622
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.599
this is not okay. We need the kings or the
623
00:47:46.659 --> 00:47:49.800
queens to rule us. It's better for the society as whole.
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00:47:50.139 --> 00:47:57.309
Everything is about everything, the society, the crowd, and not
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00:47:57.349 --> 00:48:02.630
the individual. And with the individual and freedom, this is
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where we get these eureka moments of going against the
627
00:48:05.969 --> 00:48:11.719
crowd in the group think, where we get creative thought,
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creative movies, whatever. Why does all the people watch American
629
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.219
movies all over the world at a time? I wouldn't
630
00:48:21.260 --> 00:48:24.559
say so much now, but throughout history, because we were
631
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:34.840
free somewhat to make art and get creative. Yeah, it's wild.
632
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:37.920
Yeah, man, you were mentioning the echo chambers a little
633
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.130
while ago. It makes me wonder how much of the
634
00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:51.449
awakening community, the people that are perpetuating the notion that
635
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:58.559
more people are waking up and becoming aware and participating
636
00:48:58.619 --> 00:49:02.639
with the truth movement than there really are. And this
637
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.429
is something that could be possible since... All we have
638
00:49:06.469 --> 00:49:09.929
been subjected to is echo chambers in this community lately.
639
00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:13.889
It doesn't matter what you're looking into. Once you get
640
00:49:13.969 --> 00:49:17.500
sucked into any specific algorithm, that's all you're going to see.
641
00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:20.739
That's all your news feed is going to. bring to
642
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.880
your attention. And it's not going to go anywhere else.
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00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.179
It's going to keep you in a specific box. And
644
00:49:27.219 --> 00:49:31.360
it's going to present you with things that it knows
645
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will give you hope, will make you continue looking at
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00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:39.699
those things. And I wonder at times if this entire movement...
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that people are becoming aware of this. People are awakening.
648
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:50.289
People are not participating with these dystopian agendas could be
649
00:49:50.789 --> 00:49:53.650
blown out of proportion to give people more hope.
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00:49:57.809 --> 00:50:06.530
Yeah, it's, yeah, for sure. For sure. I think it's all,
651
00:50:06.630 --> 00:50:11.389
it's all nuts. It's a, My mind right now is
652
00:50:11.469 --> 00:50:17.070
just this whole collective thing, you know? And given the
653
00:50:17.469 --> 00:50:23.449
collective hope and cathartic experience and whatnot, they'll elect someone.
654
00:50:23.630 --> 00:50:27.250
It's like the left-right paradigm of control. It's just like,
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00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:32.070
here's a movie for you. Here's a video game. Get
656
00:50:32.110 --> 00:50:36.250
your anger out. Here's, oh, we'll give you this politician.
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We'll give you that politician.
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00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:38.250
Mm-hmm.
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The selection rather than the election, these different cathartic experiences
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and hope in despair. And I, yeah, it's weird. It's weird.
661
00:50:54.329 --> 00:50:59.710
It's all manipulation. It's emotional manipulation, psychological manipulation going on
662
00:50:59.769 --> 00:51:03.380
for sure. And we see the micro macrocosm of stuff.
663
00:51:03.460 --> 00:51:06.420
So like the big picture, we can see it in
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the little picture as well. with just everyday lives of relationships,
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family members, people out on the streets. We can see
666
00:51:16.969 --> 00:51:21.579
most people are tyrannical. Most people live in this master-slave
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dynamic where they want to rule, especially in this narcissistic
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will to power. So I'm always going back sort of
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away from looking, since the lockdowns, at society in general.
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Society has they everyone wants to control what you eat
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online yo only eat meat yo only eat vegan yo
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only believe my dogma no this dogma no believe what
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i say to the point where you got movements telling
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people if they can uh masturbate or not like you
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00:51:58.900 --> 00:52:02.699
know you don't masturbate it's like this whole will to
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00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:08.409
power is very evident uh just the way people treat
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themselves as well.
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Internally.
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I live in like the most bougie place in America,
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pretty much, you know, and it's so fake and it's so,
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00:52:18.670 --> 00:52:22.659
it's so robot and everyone is a clone. And most
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00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.559
places I moved to, everybody just is a clone. It's, it's, uh,
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00:52:28.820 --> 00:52:29.780
it's very strange.
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It's unfortunate. And the best way for us to decipher
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where people are at is, Where the collective consciousness is
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00:52:38.469 --> 00:52:43.250
at is to go out and actually interact with people.
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I see it split down the middle as far as
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00:52:46.429 --> 00:52:50.119
my own public interactions. It does give me hope because
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there have been instances where I'll be having a conversation
690
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with one of my friends about some of the topics
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I'm covering and it'll attract other people who are interested
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in it and they'll join in. There have been an
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increase in things like that occurring. But there's also been
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a regression, especially just in the past few months, it seems.
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People are slipping back into this hive mind group think
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00:53:18.190 --> 00:53:25.559
right-left paradigm because of all the hopium that they're being offered.
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And I believe that this has all been manufactured from
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the beginning. It's all been a sleight of hand to
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get people pushed over to that more conservative way of
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thinking because of all the ridiculous, crazy woke stuff that
701
00:53:42.820 --> 00:53:45.739
we were subjected to. So it pushes those who are
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00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:50.380
still participate in the system to that state of mind
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00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.840
and bam, that's where you get Trump. And this is
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where we're at now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So this, this, this is what I'm looking at
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00:54:00.869 --> 00:54:04.940
and I've been looking at for a while. The crazy leftists,
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the woke mob, they're still on the, they moved to
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the right as well. And I believe this is an
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infiltration by the controllers going back to these royal families
711
00:54:20.010 --> 00:54:24.500
and the crown as well, where you get these Russell Brands.
712
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.340
But look at the audience. They could be robots. They
713
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:33.929
could be bot farming. And look at their leaders. They're irrational. they're, they're,
714
00:54:34.110 --> 00:54:38.389
they're more feminine, like a leftist. They're always screaming. They're
715
00:54:38.469 --> 00:54:42.989
screaming at the top of their lungs, telling, telling us, uh,
716
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:49.019
how to, they're, they're behaving just like, um, they, the,
717
00:54:49.099 --> 00:54:51.699
the woke left, the woke right, because it's this ideology.
718
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.909
Once you uncover the ideology of the left, which is
719
00:54:58.139 --> 00:55:03.349
like the socialist communist type ideology, um, You'll see it
720
00:55:03.889 --> 00:55:07.170
on the right as well. And it has infiltrated because
721
00:55:07.869 --> 00:55:12.510
a lot of these people aren't conservative whatsoever. And I'm
722
00:55:12.530 --> 00:55:18.309
talking about social media influencers. And the left thing, the
723
00:55:18.349 --> 00:55:23.340
woke thing didn't work. Well, let's implant this whole left
724
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:27.980
ideology in these actions. It's just all emotional. It's all crazy.
725
00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:30.630
It's not coming from a place of neutrality. And it
726
00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:33.510
gets me into it where I don't like, it's hard
727
00:55:33.530 --> 00:55:36.289
for me to, I want to like tweet and talk
728
00:55:36.329 --> 00:55:42.159
about stuff. And, but I usually get so emotionally hijacked
729
00:55:42.219 --> 00:55:47.199
by the amygdala because that's what's going on. It's all rhetoric.
730
00:55:47.260 --> 00:55:51.599
It's all emotional. There's nothing like the old researchers, like
731
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.059
picking up the books and like, and reading the books and,
732
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.829
and showing the facts and being okay with somebody if they're,
733
00:55:59.780 --> 00:56:02.780
wherever they're at, you know, and have an acceptance that
734
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.139
doesn't exist in a lot of the world today on
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00:56:06.429 --> 00:56:06.909
the internet.
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00:56:06.969 --> 00:56:10.809
Right. And I will say that I know a lot
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00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:15.170
of great researchers who still do that, who still dive
738
00:56:15.530 --> 00:56:21.409
deep into books and good information and they present it logically,
739
00:56:21.929 --> 00:56:25.090
but it is very difficult to find people. They are
740
00:56:26.030 --> 00:56:29.969
much fewer and far between these days. but we got
741
00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:33.739
a few minutes left. Is there anything else that you
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00:56:33.780 --> 00:56:36.099
would like to share with the audience that you've been
743
00:56:36.179 --> 00:56:37.980
looking at noticing lately?
744
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:43.340
Any thoughts, any encouragement, hope for the future?
745
00:56:45.769 --> 00:56:46.349
Yeah. Yeah.
746
00:56:46.769 --> 00:56:50.449
Well, if you're optimistic, you live longer. According to, uh,
747
00:56:50.670 --> 00:56:54.269
that was, uh, what Robert Anton Wilson talked about a
748
00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:56.940
lot of his interviews. And I got an interview, uh,
749
00:56:59.150 --> 00:57:03.510
the author of his book where, uh, of his life story.
750
00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:06.429
And he went through a lot of hard times and
751
00:57:06.530 --> 00:57:09.610
he still showed up optimistic for his interviews and gave
752
00:57:09.630 --> 00:57:14.909
that message of, of hope. Uh, there is hope and optimism.
753
00:57:15.190 --> 00:57:20.250
If there wasn't, then we wouldn't be here now just
754
00:57:20.429 --> 00:57:23.070
kicking it, you know, um, and talking about these topics,
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00:57:23.139 --> 00:57:26.699
we'd be like, okay, F everything, you know? Uh, so there,
756
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:33.849
there is hope. For sure. And the, what I'm, I
757
00:57:33.869 --> 00:57:37.090
finished working on an Illuminati comic. It was just big.
758
00:57:37.550 --> 00:57:40.530
It was very successful. Worked really hard on it with
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00:57:40.610 --> 00:57:46.250
my friend, Paranoid American. And we're wrapping that up by
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00:57:46.389 --> 00:57:50.730
next month or so and sending out all the stuff.
761
00:57:50.789 --> 00:57:53.909
I made like the, like the VHS boxes that I
762
00:57:53.929 --> 00:57:58.809
do try to make some cool, you know, inspirational kind of,
763
00:57:59.650 --> 00:58:02.800
stuff out there but uh i'm looking and i'm always
764
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:06.619
just you know researching looking at stuff it's uh i
765
00:58:06.659 --> 00:58:09.780
just got back from traveling the entire world i went
766
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:14.849
to japan nice and i'm back now um so i'm
767
00:58:14.869 --> 00:58:19.530
working on like a samurai documentary right now um on
768
00:58:19.550 --> 00:58:25.519
the hug of curie Yeah, not much. I know my
769
00:58:25.539 --> 00:58:29.059
podcast today, I'm kind of out of it. I'm jet lagged.
770
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.480
Well, I appreciate you making it, man.
771
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:35.940
After being on a world tour, basically, and coming on
772
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.409
a podcast, I really appreciate you being able to make it.
773
00:58:39.969 --> 00:58:41.949
But man, this was great. We're going to definitely have
774
00:58:41.989 --> 00:58:45.070
to do this again. One more time for the audience
775
00:58:45.110 --> 00:58:47.469
before we close out, let them know where they can
776
00:58:47.550 --> 00:58:49.329
find all your wonderful content.
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00:58:51.449 --> 00:58:55.590
You can find me on social media. I'm Donut, and
778
00:58:55.630 --> 00:58:58.420
that's spelled D-O-E-N-U-T.
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00:58:58.500 --> 00:58:59.199
Right on.
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00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:04.159
Donut, we will definitely do this again. And until next time, everyone,
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00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:05.530
have a wonderful evening.
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00:59:05.550 --> 00:59:08.849
We will talk again tomorrow. See y'all then. Today I
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00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:10.679
want to welcome back to the show. Jonathan.
784
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.179
He is co-host of Meta Mysteries and Cult of Conspiracy podcast.
785
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.070
Meta Mysteries is a spiritual journey created by two open-minded
786
00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:22.730
people searching for the truth about our existence. Why are
787
00:59:22.750 --> 00:59:25.989
we here? Where did we come from? And most importantly,
788
00:59:26.090 --> 00:59:27.469
what are we capable of?
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00:59:28.150 --> 00:59:30.289
Jonathan, welcome back. How you doing?
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00:59:32.110 --> 00:59:33.869
Awesome, man. Excited to.
791
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Always excited to have a conversation with you, whether you're
792
00:59:37.090 --> 00:59:39.619
coming over to Meta Mysteries or the Cult of Conspiracy
793
00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:42.480
or whenever I get to go on to your show.
794
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.320
So really excited about the topic today.
795
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.900
I am too, and this is right up my alley.
796
00:59:47.260 --> 00:59:50.760
We're going to be discussing a recent experience you had
797
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:51.719
with DMT.
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00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.900
Is that right? Yes, that's right. All right.
799
00:59:56.389 --> 01:00:01.449
It was back in October. We went to we went
800
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to Bohemian Grove.
801
01:00:03.010 --> 01:00:05.670
Yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah, it's something set up
802
01:00:05.690 --> 01:00:08.210
by the Nephilim Death Squad. It was great, dude. It
803
01:00:08.230 --> 01:00:10.630
was out in Florida. It was really wild out there, too,
804
01:00:10.730 --> 01:00:15.889
because they the the venue was in this town where
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01:00:15.929 --> 01:00:20.030
it was like an elderly swinging community. Yeah. And I
806
01:00:20.150 --> 01:00:22.619
was like, what is going on?
807
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.340
They all ride around in these golf carts and somewhere
808
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.960
in Florida and they have like, you know, certain giveaways
809
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:30.960
as like, are.
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01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:35.230
They in, are they in the swinging community or not? Wow.
811
01:00:35.289 --> 01:00:36.929
That is crazy. Well, right on.
812
01:00:36.969 --> 01:00:40.929
I'm very interested in hearing about this and part of this,
813
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:47.039
experience was something that you call the void. And I've
814
01:00:47.059 --> 01:00:50.699
heard this before, and the best I can describe it
815
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.730
would be a spiritual vacuum of nothingness or emptiness. And
816
01:00:56.369 --> 01:01:00.429
my experience with something similar was a very peaceful experience.
817
01:01:01.190 --> 01:01:05.539
It was the precursor to my very first contact experience
818
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.179
through meditation. But I'd love to hear your experience. Get
819
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.539
your interpretation on this. And you've been doing some deep
820
01:01:12.659 --> 01:01:17.619
dives since the event. And you've been looking at the
821
01:01:17.739 --> 01:01:21.329
possibilities behind this. So tell us about it, man.
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01:01:23.019 --> 01:01:27.460
Yeah, I've actually it actually inspired me to start writing
823
01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:30.320
a book, as a matter of fact, just trying to
824
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.199
dive into the philosophy and the mythology and the spiritual
825
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:40.280
and the religious view of what this void was that
826
01:01:40.389 --> 01:01:44.610
I was experiencing. And so a little TLDR about how
827
01:01:44.789 --> 01:01:45.710
I was able to get there.
828
01:01:46.699 --> 01:01:48.929
So I was at Bohemian Grove and a bunch.
829
01:01:48.789 --> 01:01:52.849
Of us were we we we were.
830
01:01:52.829 --> 01:01:56.010
Like basically passing around this DMT pipe.
831
01:01:56.289 --> 01:01:56.510
Right.
832
01:01:56.829 --> 01:01:58.440
And I had always wanted to try it.
833
01:01:58.570 --> 01:02:02.360
I was I've always been fascinated with the DMT realm
834
01:02:02.469 --> 01:02:05.320
and the you know, because you hear so many different
835
01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:11.079
stories about, well, this person experienced, you know, cosmic oneness.
836
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.619
They experienced God. Maybe they saw ancestors or whatever the
837
01:02:14.659 --> 01:02:17.469
case is, is that. They were able to experience something
838
01:02:17.690 --> 01:02:21.340
out of this world, literally. And so I've always really
839
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.789
been fascinated by it. So I wanted to try it.
840
01:02:24.179 --> 01:02:27.320
I tried it the first time. And so we're all
841
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:29.679
hanging out this night in this room.
842
01:02:29.739 --> 01:02:30.880
We were at an Airbnb.
843
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.670
I tried it the first time and it was like
844
01:02:35.090 --> 01:02:37.730
the coolest thing I've ever experienced in my entire life.
845
01:02:37.809 --> 01:02:40.989
I hit it and it was awesome. Now I'm talking
846
01:02:41.010 --> 01:02:45.139
about NNDMT. Um, but, uh, it was the most amazing.
847
01:02:45.489 --> 01:02:46.510
What kind of DMT?
848
01:02:47.949 --> 01:02:51.050
NN DMT. It's like the typical DMT.
849
01:02:51.070 --> 01:02:54.030
What people talk about that it lasts for like two
850
01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:57.409
or three minutes, which is really weird because it'll last
851
01:02:57.429 --> 01:02:59.150
for like two or three minutes and you're.
852
01:02:59.090 --> 01:03:02.909
Shifted to this other world or realm or what, whatever
853
01:03:02.949 --> 01:03:05.119
it is. And then as soon as it wears off,
854
01:03:05.179 --> 01:03:08.139
you're back to reality. There's like no hangover. There's no
855
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.340
like tiredness. It's like it happened as if it never happened.
856
01:03:12.989 --> 01:03:16.230
And so, uh, it's, it's pretty intense and I actually
857
01:03:16.289 --> 01:03:19.570
enjoy that way more than mushrooms or I actually don't
858
01:03:19.610 --> 01:03:22.389
even want to try ayahuasca because I don't want to
859
01:03:22.429 --> 01:03:24.889
be there for hours. Like I'm okay with the two
860
01:03:24.929 --> 01:03:28.510
or three minute experience, but I can't imagine being there
861
01:03:28.690 --> 01:03:32.889
for 10 to 12 hours. Like that's how people don't
862
01:03:32.949 --> 01:03:36.539
just lose their minds in there is beyond me. But anyhow,
863
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.800
so I went and I tried it the first time
864
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:40.679
I was like, oh my God, this is so amazing.
865
01:03:40.699 --> 01:03:44.710
I was like shifted. Or blasted out into the universe.
866
01:03:44.769 --> 01:03:47.329
Let me ask you, how many hits or puffs did
867
01:03:47.389 --> 01:03:52.489
it take for you to experience that out-of-body, that exit experience?
868
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:58.599
For me, it was only one big hit.
869
01:03:59.019 --> 01:04:03.320
And I'm not really good with measurements or anything like that.
870
01:04:03.380 --> 01:04:05.880
But I know that there's a traditional amount that you
871
01:04:05.940 --> 01:04:10.329
hit it one good time. And as, as you're breathing out,
872
01:04:10.409 --> 01:04:15.750
you're blasting off into this other reality and it's not imaginative.
873
01:04:15.909 --> 01:04:18.590
Like it's not just in my opinion, I don't think
874
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:23.920
that it's just like a complex equation of whatever you
875
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.500
thought about over the last couple of months or whatever.
876
01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:29.800
I think it's so much more than that. Like you're
877
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:37.800
becoming aware of the entire reality, not just this physical reality,
878
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.880
if that makes sense. Um, and so I tried it
879
01:04:41.139 --> 01:04:42.579
and I blasted off. It was awesome.
880
01:04:42.619 --> 01:04:45.110
I was shifted out into this universe and I saw
881
01:04:45.190 --> 01:04:48.630
what seemed to be like, maybe like rings of Saturn
882
01:04:48.849 --> 01:04:51.039
or something like that, but it almost looked like a,
883
01:04:51.619 --> 01:04:54.929
like a pool, like it was like wavy and it
884
01:04:54.989 --> 01:04:56.369
looks like, I don't know.
885
01:04:56.409 --> 01:04:57.429
It was just really strange.
886
01:04:57.530 --> 01:05:01.389
Not how I always depicted it from the fake NASA pictures. Um,
887
01:05:01.550 --> 01:05:03.949
so I was out there and what I noticed was,
888
01:05:04.030 --> 01:05:06.380
is that there was this gold ball and this gold
889
01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:09.239
ball had like all of this kind of like archaic
890
01:05:09.340 --> 01:05:11.340
writing on it. I don't know if it was Egyptian
891
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.800
or Japanese or something like that. And it just seemed
892
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:18.110
like so awesome, but it was far away in the distance.
893
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.619
And I was like, I wonder what that thing feels like.
894
01:05:20.739 --> 01:05:22.519
For some reason, I just had the thought I wanted
895
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:23.039
to feel it.
896
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.480
And as I thought that, it appeared in my hand,
897
01:05:26.539 --> 01:05:28.539
and I felt the weight of it in my hand.
898
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.760
And I'm going over all the engravings, and I'm like,
899
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:31.619
what does this mean?
900
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.570
And it was almost like the signs that you would
901
01:05:34.619 --> 01:05:38.489
see in the second Transformers movie with Shia LaBeouf. And
902
01:05:38.530 --> 01:05:41.050
he's getting all these downloads and everything. That's kind of
903
01:05:41.070 --> 01:05:44.070
what it felt like. But it didn't last very long,
904
01:05:44.190 --> 01:05:47.500
literally two minutes, if that. And I was like, oh
905
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:49.300
my God, I really want to do it again, whatever.
906
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:51.539
And I want it to last longer. So what I
907
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:55.320
did was, is that I actually doubled the, the preferred dosage.
908
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.820
And that is where I experienced the void. So I, I,
909
01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:05.170
I hit it again and the blast off was so amazing.
910
01:06:05.230 --> 01:06:07.809
It's the most amazing feeling that I've ever felt in
911
01:06:07.829 --> 01:06:11.849
my entire life. It's complete euphoria. And, and I felt
912
01:06:11.869 --> 01:06:13.369
like I was just like, oh my God, it was,
913
01:06:13.650 --> 01:06:16.150
it was so awesome. And I'm blasting up. And the
914
01:06:16.190 --> 01:06:18.750
next thing I knew that it was, it almost became
915
01:06:18.929 --> 01:06:23.329
too awesome. Like it was too much for me to handle,
916
01:06:23.389 --> 01:06:28.110
like picture something that is so amazing that it's too amazing.
917
01:06:28.809 --> 01:06:31.340
And that's, and so I started to lose grasp of
918
01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:35.039
my reality. And then I started to lose grasp of myself.
919
01:06:35.739 --> 01:06:37.960
Next thing I know, I'm inside of this Bucky's bathroom.
920
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.599
I just appear into this Bucky's gas station bathroom, right?
921
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.159
And so I'm in there and I'm like peeing at
922
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.039
a stall. I'm like, why am I seeing this?
923
01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:53.510
But it was strange because I wasn't aware of my
924
01:06:53.610 --> 01:06:56.409
reality that I had just left, this physical reality.
925
01:06:56.510 --> 01:06:57.449
I wasn't aware of that.
926
01:06:57.570 --> 01:07:02.730
I was only aware of my existence in that Bucky's bathroom.
927
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.800
And so I'm peeing at this stall and I started
928
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:10.280
to see literally everything. Just my reality had a cheese
929
01:07:10.340 --> 01:07:13.280
grater laid on top of it and everything shifted into
930
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.679
these cubes and all these cubes were spinning around and
931
01:07:15.739 --> 01:07:16.639
changing places.
932
01:07:16.699 --> 01:07:21.360
And literally my reality was like, if Thanos just snapped
933
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:25.050
his fingers and everything was starting to cease to exist.
934
01:07:25.139 --> 01:07:27.530
And then it did. And then there was nothing else.
935
01:07:27.619 --> 01:07:33.670
And I felt immense, um, What I.
936
01:07:33.699 --> 01:07:37.219
Felt was that I was the reason why this reality
937
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.219
no longer existed, that I not only killed myself, but
938
01:07:40.539 --> 01:07:44.739
I deleted everything that I've ever experienced in my life,
939
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.579
including you, my kids, my wife, my parents, everybody was
940
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:53.019
ceased to exist because I went here. And I felt
941
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.840
just this immense amount of pressure and sadness and sorrow
942
01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:00.019
that I was the only thing that could ever exist.
943
01:08:00.099 --> 01:08:02.199
I wasn't even a person anymore. I'm just out here.
944
01:08:02.710 --> 01:08:05.329
In this blackness, I didn't have a form or anything,
945
01:08:05.909 --> 01:08:08.489
and it scared the ever-living shit out of me, dude,
946
01:08:08.750 --> 01:08:12.130
and it was the worst chaotic nightmare of a trip
947
01:08:12.150 --> 01:08:14.769
that I've ever had in my life, so much to
948
01:08:14.789 --> 01:08:20.180
where I carried that burden for months after this experience, like,
949
01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:25.270
that weird feeling of I just deleted this reality and
950
01:08:25.310 --> 01:08:28.430
the reality that I'm coming back to, it can't be
951
01:08:28.590 --> 01:08:32.140
anything more than just a hologram of what the real
952
01:08:32.180 --> 01:08:33.260
thing originally was.
953
01:08:33.340 --> 01:08:34.840
Like it really twisted my mind.
954
01:08:36.380 --> 01:08:39.579
And it was like, which is why I don't try
955
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:42.380
and tell people to do it unless like you really,
956
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:43.319
really need to know.
957
01:08:44.850 --> 01:08:47.210
And so, yeah, it was it was really sad. It
958
01:08:47.270 --> 01:08:48.520
was really lonely.
959
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:51.779
And what I experienced was that I was the only
960
01:08:51.859 --> 01:08:54.880
thing that existed and even I was starting to perish.
961
01:08:55.770 --> 01:08:59.229
And so I've had a lot of time now to
962
01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:01.180
try and go into that.
963
01:09:02.579 --> 01:09:06.579
Experience and try and understand what it meant. Was I
964
01:09:06.619 --> 01:09:07.800
being shown something?
965
01:09:08.260 --> 01:09:12.500
Was I experiencing what God experiences on a daily basis?
966
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:14.760
If God is everything, then.
967
01:09:15.270 --> 01:09:17.529
You know, and I go into the idea of like,
968
01:09:17.869 --> 01:09:20.590
is that why the big bang happened? Because all it
969
01:09:20.670 --> 01:09:23.270
used to be was just this tiny little lonely particle
970
01:09:23.430 --> 01:09:26.729
out there in the void of nothingness, right? And so
971
01:09:26.750 --> 01:09:29.720
you start to get like real like philosophical with it.
972
01:09:29.789 --> 01:09:34.109
And then you start to try and read about other
973
01:09:34.149 --> 01:09:35.229
people's experiences.
974
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.779
Did anybody else ever experience this?
975
01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:41.840
And I tell you what, dude, it's, I, at the
976
01:09:42.020 --> 01:09:46.760
end of that experience, I said, I wouldn't wish this
977
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.800
on the devil. I don't want anybody to experience this.
978
01:09:50.899 --> 01:09:54.039
It was the most horrific thing that I've ever experienced.
979
01:09:54.939 --> 01:09:58.699
And now that I'm reading and learning about other people's
980
01:09:58.819 --> 01:10:02.859
experience with The Void, it's actually brought me a little
981
01:10:02.899 --> 01:10:05.189
bit of comfort, to be honest with you. Like, just
982
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.350
knowing that other people have experienced this, it is strange,
983
01:10:09.430 --> 01:10:12.409
but there's a certain degree of, okay.
984
01:10:13.020 --> 01:10:15.319
all right, I'm not the only one to ever experience that.
985
01:10:15.380 --> 01:10:18.600
Like everybody, somebody or some other people have also experienced
986
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:20.140
it too. And I don't know what it is, but
987
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.539
it brings me happiness knowing that I wasn't the only one,
988
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:24.180
you know?
989
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:27.619
I want to explore this a little bit more. I
990
01:10:27.859 --> 01:10:32.159
want to go back to the Bucky's bathroom. When you
991
01:10:32.810 --> 01:10:35.399
realized you were in the bathroom, you said it was
992
01:10:35.510 --> 01:10:42.569
like the previous experience in your waking reality. You weren't
993
01:10:42.609 --> 01:10:45.520
even aware of that, and this was the reality you
994
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.180
were in now. Were you able to look around and
995
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:52.180
see anything else besides you and the bathroom stall?
996
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:58.029
Yeah, actually, there were other people in the bathroom.
997
01:10:58.109 --> 01:11:01.210
As real as reality?
998
01:11:01.470 --> 01:11:04.189
So much so that I forgot reality existed.
999
01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:08.609
I thought that this was reality. And so I'm looking
1000
01:11:08.649 --> 01:11:11.029
around and I can I can sense other people behind
1001
01:11:11.069 --> 01:11:14.609
me washing their hands, looking in the mirror. There's other
1002
01:11:15.609 --> 01:11:18.340
urinal stalls or whatever that are like it's one of
1003
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:20.880
the biggest bathrooms that you could ever find in a
1004
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:23.460
gas station. And so it has like I think like
1005
01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:27.819
a hundred stalls or something crazy in there. And and
1006
01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:29.970
so I was able to see other people that were
1007
01:11:30.010 --> 01:11:34.630
standing there until. everything started to chop up. And so
1008
01:11:34.689 --> 01:11:37.970
as soon as things started to dice, like my perspective
1009
01:11:38.010 --> 01:11:41.430
started to dice into tiny little cubes rather than just
1010
01:11:41.470 --> 01:11:47.250
this continuous reality of, of whatever we regularly experience, those
1011
01:11:47.329 --> 01:11:51.409
people just cease to exist. They, they went away and
1012
01:11:51.729 --> 01:11:54.720
I was the only one experiencing it. And then that's
1013
01:11:54.739 --> 01:11:58.630
whenever the cubation started to happen, if that's a word, And, um,
1014
01:11:58.909 --> 01:12:01.989
and then those tiny little cubes shifted or they, they
1015
01:12:02.029 --> 01:12:06.020
started to transform into these little bits of dust and dust.
1016
01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:07.840
I was really tripping out because I was like, oh
1017
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:10.119
my God, how am I ever going to piece all
1018
01:12:10.140 --> 01:12:11.119
of this back together?
1019
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.079
You know, like that's, that was my mind. I was like, well,
1020
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:15.359
I don't even know what to do.
1021
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:19.770
And so that was, you know, it was a horrific experience,
1022
01:12:19.989 --> 01:12:24.289
but I'm very, very, very thankful to have had it
1023
01:12:24.609 --> 01:12:28.189
because it has shifted my life. immensely you know it's
1024
01:12:28.369 --> 01:12:30.649
it's crazy like it's it's made me look at my
1025
01:12:30.710 --> 01:12:32.770
wife in a different way my kids in a different
1026
01:12:32.810 --> 01:12:37.270
way like make me like really i i just feel
1027
01:12:37.569 --> 01:12:41.630
like blessed in in situations where maybe i never really
1028
01:12:41.689 --> 01:12:45.250
appreciated it as much before because i understood what the
1029
01:12:45.329 --> 01:12:48.310
void was and it was devoid of all of this
1030
01:12:48.979 --> 01:12:53.109
you know so Very fascinating. Um, but, but I did
1031
01:12:53.149 --> 01:12:56.750
want to get into, um, like the, the DMT here
1032
01:12:56.789 --> 01:13:01.539
for anybody that doesn't really know, um, what the NN DMT,
1033
01:13:01.579 --> 01:13:07.979
what I'm talking about here. Um, so it's, uh, NN dimethyltryptamine.
1034
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.890
It's a, uh, powerful naturally occurring psychedelic compound found in
1035
01:13:12.010 --> 01:13:16.729
countless plants, animals, and even trace amounts in the human body. Structurally,
1036
01:13:16.869 --> 01:13:20.369
it's part of the tryptamine family, making it chemically similar
1037
01:13:20.430 --> 01:13:25.220
to serotonin and other entheogens like psilocybin. DMT is most
1038
01:13:25.270 --> 01:13:30.939
famous for producing incredibly intense, short-lived experiences that often include
1039
01:13:31.060 --> 01:13:36.199
vivid geometric visuals, contact with seemingly autonomous entities, and a
1040
01:13:36.220 --> 01:13:39.449
sense of traveling through and beyond time and space. It's
1041
01:13:39.489 --> 01:13:43.569
the main active ingredient in ayahuasca, a traditional Amazonian brew
1042
01:13:43.649 --> 01:13:48.390
used for spiritual and healing ceremonies. When vaporized or smoked
1043
01:13:48.470 --> 01:13:52.189
in its freebase form, which is how I was inhaling it,
1044
01:13:52.590 --> 01:13:56.579
NMDMT hits the brain almost instantly and catapults the user
1045
01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:00.460
into an altered state within seconds. The effects are usually
1046
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:05.199
so overwhelming and immersive that the outer world disappears completely.
1047
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:09.390
The peak may last anywhere between 5 and 10 minutes.
1048
01:14:09.970 --> 01:14:12.409
I experienced it, I think it was only like 3
1049
01:14:12.409 --> 01:14:13.090
or 4 minutes.
1050
01:14:14.210 --> 01:14:17.470
But the user often reports experiencing what feels like hours
1051
01:14:17.609 --> 01:14:23.560
or lifetimes. Common elements include intense visual fractals, the sense
1052
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.739
of breaking through a membrane or a veil, and the
1053
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:31.039
presence of intelligent beings sometimes described as machine elves, guides,
1054
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.640
or architects of reality. So that's a little bit about
1055
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:39.680
what I experienced. I never experienced another entity on DMT.
1056
01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:45.949
It always felt like all of this was somehow, I
1057
01:14:45.970 --> 01:14:49.609
don't want to say emanating from me necessarily, because what
1058
01:14:49.750 --> 01:14:50.170
are we?
1059
01:14:50.229 --> 01:14:51.770
What am I? What are you?
1060
01:14:51.829 --> 01:14:55.369
Where does this energy even come from? But it does
1061
01:14:55.470 --> 01:14:59.460
feel like I... I was able to have the perception
1062
01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:03.520
of possibly God. And I'm not saying that I am God,
1063
01:15:03.539 --> 01:15:06.979
or I'm not one of those crazies that is like,
1064
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:09.880
I am God, worship me. No, that's absolutely not it.
1065
01:15:09.930 --> 01:15:15.670
But I was able to perceive reality, possibly from God's perception.
1066
01:15:15.710 --> 01:15:18.130
I'm not entirely sure that that's what it was, but
1067
01:15:18.289 --> 01:15:20.439
that's the best way I can put it into human words.
1068
01:15:20.449 --> 01:15:25.039
You mentioned the time perception thing. Did you perceive time
1069
01:15:25.100 --> 01:15:27.460
differently while you were having that experience? Did it seem
1070
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:29.420
longer than three minutes like you said?
1071
01:15:31.729 --> 01:15:32.939
The second one, yes.
1072
01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:35.250
The first one where it was awesome and I really
1073
01:15:35.310 --> 01:15:37.390
enjoyed it so much that I wanted to do it again,
1074
01:15:38.590 --> 01:15:43.590
that felt like maybe two minutes. And so we actually
1075
01:15:43.670 --> 01:15:48.109
recorded it both times. And it felt like two minutes
1076
01:15:48.810 --> 01:15:52.710
and it actually, it lasted three minutes, but it only
1077
01:15:52.829 --> 01:15:54.710
felt like a minute and a half or two minutes.
1078
01:15:54.770 --> 01:15:57.310
So there was a little bit of distortion in time.
1079
01:15:57.510 --> 01:16:00.359
Like I know I may be splitting hairs by saying
1080
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:02.539
that something was a minute and a half compared to
1081
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.720
the three minutes that's on video, but it felt so
1082
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.960
short that I, I could have counted it in a
1083
01:16:08.979 --> 01:16:12.819
minute and a half, you know? Um, whereas the other experience,
1084
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:16.859
the void experience, it felt like it was, it lasted
1085
01:16:17.050 --> 01:16:21.510
an eternity. Like it was outside of time. Like I
1086
01:16:21.529 --> 01:16:24.369
was trapped in a place that time doesn't exist. And
1087
01:16:24.409 --> 01:16:30.010
therefore it seems, it seemed like it lasted forever. And
1088
01:16:31.729 --> 01:16:33.720
conversely that it never happened.
1089
01:16:33.739 --> 01:16:36.039
You got the sense that you may be trapped out
1090
01:16:36.060 --> 01:16:39.380
there forever for a little while, right?
1091
01:16:40.970 --> 01:16:41.630
Yeah, yeah.
1092
01:16:41.829 --> 01:16:44.590
And and I mean, I literally thought that I just
1093
01:16:44.810 --> 01:16:49.560
nuked reality like there was nothing else outside of me.
1094
01:16:49.779 --> 01:16:52.399
And I was the reason why all of this, you know,
1095
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:55.579
came crashing down. And so, you know, it's it's a
1096
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.890
strange experience. But what what I noticed or what I
1097
01:16:58.930 --> 01:17:01.750
was trying to do was that I got this tiny
1098
01:17:01.789 --> 01:17:05.659
little thought towards the end. that like, oh, I need
1099
01:17:05.699 --> 01:17:07.760
to bring it back. I need to bring reality back.
1100
01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:11.060
And I just got this thought of open your eyes
1101
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.100
and see that everybody's still here because we had everybody
1102
01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:18.899
around us. And so I was trying to open my
1103
01:17:19.220 --> 01:17:23.659
physical human eyes. And whenever I opened my eyes, I
1104
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.890
saw that the room was completely silent and everybody was
1105
01:17:26.939 --> 01:17:30.020
just staring at me. And I was like, I was like,
1106
01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:33.140
oh my God, like what I'm experiencing is what I
1107
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:34.479
want to believe.
1108
01:17:34.539 --> 01:17:37.380
Like, this is not even here. It's not real.
1109
01:17:38.140 --> 01:17:42.340
And because everybody was like still motion, but to be fair,
1110
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.300
they were still motion, even in reality, observing what I
1111
01:17:46.340 --> 01:17:50.180
was going through. So nobody was talking, nobody was sniffing
1112
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:53.010
or scratching or anything like that. It was a complete
1113
01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:55.310
still frame, but it fucked me up in the head
1114
01:17:55.829 --> 01:17:58.550
because I thought that this was just.
1115
01:17:58.470 --> 01:18:01.989
A still image of my memory. And so I kept
1116
01:18:02.109 --> 01:18:05.560
on trying to like convince myself, no, that's reality. That's reality.
1117
01:18:05.579 --> 01:18:06.500
You can go back there.
1118
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:11.960
And it's almost like I was birthing reality again by
1119
01:18:12.100 --> 01:18:15.739
convincing myself that it did exist. And so after a
1120
01:18:15.779 --> 01:18:18.359
while I started to see people shift around, move their
1121
01:18:18.380 --> 01:18:20.560
hands around, maybe crack some knuckles or whatever.
1122
01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:23.199
And, uh, and that's.
1123
01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:26.479
How I was able to pull myself back into this reality.
1124
01:18:27.029 --> 01:18:30.020
And afterward, I actually had what I like to describe
1125
01:18:30.220 --> 01:18:35.859
as like the thousand mile stare that certain people like
1126
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:39.380
you come back from like a crazy war or something
1127
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:39.819
like that.
1128
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:40.140
Right.
1129
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:42.560
And those, you know, those people, they come back and
1130
01:18:42.590 --> 01:18:45.229
they're not right. You know, they experienced something that was
1131
01:18:45.729 --> 01:18:48.750
beyond like whatever.
1132
01:18:48.189 --> 01:18:51.689
Could be deemed good. Right. And so they come back
1133
01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:53.939
and they're like, you know, they they're just lost.
1134
01:18:53.979 --> 01:18:56.960
Like it's and I and I felt that, you know,
1135
01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.699
like I felt like and it was it was crazy
1136
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.720
that I felt that way even after seeing that reality
1137
01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:07.020
was still existing because it felt like I just went
1138
01:19:07.060 --> 01:19:13.020
through this marathon of. discovering that nothing existed until I
1139
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:16.640
opened my eyes to discover that everything actually did exist.
1140
01:19:16.699 --> 01:19:19.359
So it, uh, it put me in a very deep
1141
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:23.739
depressed state for months after that, just trying to understand
1142
01:19:23.779 --> 01:19:26.960
and convince myself that that was just, that was just
1143
01:19:27.020 --> 01:19:30.300
the void, you know, and, uh, you've, you've heard it
1144
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:34.380
talked about by, by countless other people. And so that
1145
01:19:34.420 --> 01:19:37.270
was just a place. It's not all, you know, and
1146
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:41.279
so I was trying to convince myself of that. But yeah,
1147
01:19:41.340 --> 01:19:47.050
I mean, after diving into what all of that means, spiritually,
1148
01:19:47.689 --> 01:19:52.810
esoterically even, I feel like I have a pretty good
1149
01:19:52.869 --> 01:19:58.909
relationship with my experience, my memory of the void now.
1150
01:19:59.029 --> 01:20:01.460
I've been able to somewhat shift that in a sense.
1151
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.720
So to the best of your ability, tell us where
1152
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.479
you're at now with this experience, what it really means
1153
01:20:07.539 --> 01:20:11.359
to you now. And if you will ever attempt to
1154
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:12.039
go back again.
1155
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.720
Um, I can, I go back and forth with it.
1156
01:20:18.130 --> 01:20:20.829
Um, because I remember at the end of that, I
1157
01:20:20.869 --> 01:20:23.470
was like, I wouldn't even want the worst person that
1158
01:20:23.529 --> 01:20:26.149
I could imagine to ever experience that. And so that
1159
01:20:26.189 --> 01:20:29.640
has kind of hindered me a little bit. Um, just
1160
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.659
basically like trying to, trying to understand what it meant and,
1161
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:34.119
you know.
1162
01:20:34.180 --> 01:20:36.340
The, the fear of going back.
1163
01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:39.039
You know how like whenever you're sleeping at night and
1164
01:20:39.060 --> 01:20:40.920
you're having a really good dream, but then you wake
1165
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:42.439
up and you're like, oh, I want to go back
1166
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.020
to sleep. I need to get back to that really
1167
01:20:44.100 --> 01:20:47.119
awesome dream, right? And the same thing kind of happens
1168
01:20:47.149 --> 01:20:49.210
whenever you have a nightmare. But the good dreams, you
1169
01:20:49.229 --> 01:20:51.569
never get to go back, right? It's always like, oh,
1170
01:20:51.630 --> 01:20:52.770
that's lost and gone forever.
1171
01:20:52.810 --> 01:20:53.909
You're never going to go back to that.
1172
01:20:54.569 --> 01:20:58.010
But the nightmares, it's like you can have a nightmare,
1173
01:20:58.189 --> 01:21:00.760
wake up and be like, I don't want to go back.
1174
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:01.859
I don't want to go back. I don't want to
1175
01:21:01.899 --> 01:21:04.579
go back. And you're just right. You're right back there again.
1176
01:21:05.100 --> 01:21:05.279
Right.
1177
01:21:05.340 --> 01:21:07.739
And so that's kind of one of my fears about
1178
01:21:07.779 --> 01:21:10.670
going back there. But to be honest, now that I've
1179
01:21:10.869 --> 01:21:14.390
experienced what the void actually is, I've been able to
1180
01:21:16.289 --> 01:21:20.550
comprehend what it possibly means in my mind. I view
1181
01:21:20.590 --> 01:21:23.989
the void a little bit differently now. Um, and so
1182
01:21:24.050 --> 01:21:26.609
maybe it wouldn't be so terrifying then the next time.
1183
01:21:26.850 --> 01:21:28.649
So I don't know, I'm giving, I'm going to give
1184
01:21:28.670 --> 01:21:30.649
it a little bit more time, maybe even a few
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01:21:30.689 --> 01:21:34.390
more years. I understand now why somebody will talk about
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01:21:34.430 --> 01:21:37.010
their DMT trips or their ayahuasca trips, and they'll talk
1187
01:21:37.029 --> 01:21:38.369
about how awesome it was.
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01:21:39.050 --> 01:21:40.550
And then you ask them, are you ever going to
1189
01:21:40.569 --> 01:21:40.890
do it again?
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01:21:41.069 --> 01:21:41.270
Nope.
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01:21:41.329 --> 01:21:43.109
That was enough. That's all I need.
1192
01:21:43.470 --> 01:21:47.529
You know, let's get deeper into the possibilities surrounding this.
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01:21:48.590 --> 01:21:49.880
First of all, I want to go back to the
1194
01:21:49.939 --> 01:21:53.920
Bucky's thing for a second. When you were experiencing that,
1195
01:21:53.979 --> 01:21:56.359
did you feel like it was a memory of something
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01:21:56.539 --> 01:21:57.859
or a new experience?
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01:22:01.449 --> 01:22:04.430
It felt as if it was happening in real time,
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01:22:04.689 --> 01:22:07.579
so I didn't perceive it as a memory.
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01:22:07.739 --> 01:22:10.039
However, on the way out to.
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01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.979
Bohemian Grove, where I was at in Florida, we did
1201
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:15.800
stop on that road trip. We did stop at a Buc-ee's,
1202
01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:18.939
and it just so happened to be this trip was
1203
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:23.140
the exact place where I was in that Buc-ee's bathroom
1204
01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:28.460
at that urinal. So it did shift me back to seemingly...
1205
01:22:28.779 --> 01:22:32.810
A memory, but then that memory shifted into the void.
1206
01:22:32.890 --> 01:22:37.479
So it was like possibly pulling upon my memory, maybe
1207
01:22:37.689 --> 01:22:41.420
as a way to construct, you know, well, you were here,
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01:22:41.619 --> 01:22:45.590
this was your experience. And now it didn't seem foreign
1209
01:22:45.630 --> 01:22:45.819
to me.
1210
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:47.279
In that sense.
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01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:49.899
So I think that it was probably helpful that it
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01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:52.699
was depicted in that sense, because I imagine if I
1213
01:22:52.760 --> 01:22:55.970
was on some kind of space station that I've never
1214
01:22:56.020 --> 01:22:59.409
been to, and then the cubing and everything started to
1215
01:22:59.430 --> 01:23:01.789
cease to exist, I probably wouldn't care as much because
1216
01:23:01.829 --> 01:23:03.149
I'd never actually been there before.
1217
01:23:03.670 --> 01:23:04.619
So. I don't know.
1218
01:23:04.859 --> 01:23:07.819
I'm still trying to coagulate what all that means. But,
1219
01:23:08.220 --> 01:23:11.890
you know, what's interesting is, is that many other mythologies
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01:23:12.149 --> 01:23:15.789
and religions also talk about the void in one way
1221
01:23:15.829 --> 01:23:21.729
or another. Um, so, uh, Mesopotamian mythology, even like it goes,
1222
01:23:22.029 --> 01:23:28.210
do you got Mesopotamian mythology, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, Norse Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism,
1223
01:23:28.350 --> 01:23:35.029
Kabbalistic Judaism, Gnosticism, Christian mysticism, native American traditions, and even
1224
01:23:35.149 --> 01:23:36.310
in Japanese Shinto.
1225
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.739
So literally all of these, uh, religions.
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01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:45.699
Or philosophies or mythologies have all explained it in one
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01:23:45.739 --> 01:23:49.159
way or another. Other people may know it as the abyss,
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01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:54.079
you know, or or maybe somebody might call it hell
1229
01:23:54.939 --> 01:23:58.779
is is that place. And to be honest, I think,
1230
01:23:58.939 --> 01:24:02.289
you know, the the original depiction of how we always
1231
01:24:02.369 --> 01:24:04.770
envision hell, you know, the devil being down there with
1232
01:24:04.810 --> 01:24:09.869
a pitchfork and there's nothing but like weird sodomy acts
1233
01:24:09.930 --> 01:24:13.010
going on and fire. And it's just the worst thing.
1234
01:24:13.779 --> 01:24:16.739
I would have rather experienced that than the void. Like
1235
01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:22.069
that seems comforting because there are other things there. Like there's,
1236
01:24:22.430 --> 01:24:24.010
that's why I like, you know, whenever you go to
1237
01:24:24.050 --> 01:24:25.989
jail or prison or something like that and you get
1238
01:24:26.170 --> 01:24:30.130
put in solitary, that's the worst punishment that you can receive,
1239
01:24:30.750 --> 01:24:34.380
you know? And I, I felt that, that solitary is
1240
01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:37.100
the worst place. So yeah, I mean, if it's that
1241
01:24:37.220 --> 01:24:40.369
or hell, you know, uh, shove a pineapple up my
1242
01:24:40.470 --> 01:24:42.529
ass and call me the devil's bitch because that's what
1243
01:24:42.569 --> 01:24:43.899
I would rather experience.
1244
01:24:44.220 --> 01:24:49.880
Well, this gets into some of the possible dangers when
1245
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:54.319
trying to delve into some of these experiences. I have
1246
01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:58.829
had very similar experiences so much so that I would
1247
01:24:58.869 --> 01:25:02.470
tell my wife, don't ever let me do mushrooms again.
1248
01:25:02.710 --> 01:25:05.840
Never. Even if I'm begging and then I'll do mushrooms again. But,
1249
01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:07.279
I have stopped.
1250
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:11.340
The last experience I had was the May 4th experience,
1251
01:25:11.579 --> 01:25:15.779
which I came on and talked about. And that was
1252
01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:20.390
pretty much my answer to most of what I was seeking.
1253
01:25:20.430 --> 01:25:23.729
And I got the sense that I don't have to
1254
01:25:23.770 --> 01:25:26.989
go back and I really shouldn't be going back anymore.
1255
01:25:27.069 --> 01:25:30.510
But who knows what the future holds? I just don't
1256
01:25:30.649 --> 01:25:34.579
feel like that is calling me anymore. But as far
1257
01:25:34.619 --> 01:25:37.979
as some of the dangers with this, it can lead
1258
01:25:38.090 --> 01:25:41.090
to psychosis at times. Like you said, it took you
1259
01:25:41.630 --> 01:25:45.630
months to reintegrate everything. And I've had these experiences where
1260
01:25:46.350 --> 01:25:49.329
I would be so immersed, and I took very high
1261
01:25:49.369 --> 01:25:53.149
doses of psilocybin mushrooms, so much to where it would
1262
01:25:53.609 --> 01:25:57.470
probably be just as strong as a DMT trip. I
1263
01:25:57.489 --> 01:26:02.239
would have these sort of out-of-body experiences. But I have
1264
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.220
had those experiences where I felt like I was out
1265
01:26:05.260 --> 01:26:08.520
of space and time, where I was terrified that I
1266
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:13.520
couldn't get back. It seemed like everything around me had stopped.
1267
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:17.640
I would even at times be able to walk around
1268
01:26:17.699 --> 01:26:20.850
my house and it would seem like the people in
1269
01:26:20.890 --> 01:26:24.289
my house were frozen or my animals weren't moving. And
1270
01:26:24.470 --> 01:26:27.270
I would get terrified that, oh my gosh, I froze reality.
1271
01:26:27.310 --> 01:26:30.130
I'm never going to get back. And it seems like
1272
01:26:30.409 --> 01:26:33.569
it's an eternity. And then when I come out of
1273
01:26:33.609 --> 01:26:36.449
that experience, it's only been like, you know, 10 minutes
1274
01:26:36.470 --> 01:26:40.310
since I looked at the clock. The other thing is
1275
01:26:41.149 --> 01:26:47.689
the possibility that we are accessing other layers of reality,
1276
01:26:47.729 --> 01:26:52.170
but not only that, maybe different timelines. I've had those
1277
01:26:52.229 --> 01:26:56.890
really profound experiences where I come back and I'm worried
1278
01:26:56.930 --> 01:27:00.050
I'm not in the same reality. I may have shifted
1279
01:27:00.569 --> 01:27:06.289
into another version of myself and I will play those
1280
01:27:06.350 --> 01:27:09.829
things out because I'm so terrified of that. I'll look
1281
01:27:09.869 --> 01:27:12.510
at the neighbor's dog and be like, that dog.
1282
01:27:12.250 --> 01:27:13.489
Never barks like that.
1283
01:27:13.569 --> 01:27:16.829
I'm definitely in a new reality or just small changes
1284
01:27:16.909 --> 01:27:20.579
around me that I kind of spin out because those
1285
01:27:20.659 --> 01:27:24.920
experiences were so powerful. And if you've never experienced any
1286
01:27:24.939 --> 01:27:29.010
of this, It's really hard to describe how real some
1287
01:27:29.050 --> 01:27:32.310
of those experiences can be. When you come back from it,
1288
01:27:32.409 --> 01:27:36.069
it does seem dreamlike. But some of the more powerful ones,
1289
01:27:36.109 --> 01:27:37.369
like you said, it takes.
1290
01:27:37.149 --> 01:27:39.729
A long time to reintegrate everything.
1291
01:27:40.510 --> 01:27:43.760
And you hear the experiences of people, mainly with DMT,
1292
01:27:43.810 --> 01:27:47.279
that go into different realities. And it seems like they're
1293
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:51.239
there for years. Like the guy who had the underwater family.
1294
01:27:51.750 --> 01:27:53.949
And when he came back, he didn't remember how to
1295
01:27:54.229 --> 01:27:57.430
breathe air and he missed his fish wife and stuff
1296
01:27:57.470 --> 01:28:01.050
like that. I've had so many people tell me stories
1297
01:28:01.130 --> 01:28:04.840
like that, that they're kind of terrifying. It makes you
1298
01:28:04.979 --> 01:28:10.000
wonder what your consciousness is capable of just by taking
1299
01:28:10.060 --> 01:28:11.279
some of these substances.
1300
01:28:12.829 --> 01:28:15.609
Yeah, it is. It's crazy, dude.
1301
01:28:15.689 --> 01:28:18.810
Like certain things that you experience in there, it seems
1302
01:28:18.970 --> 01:28:22.439
more real than reality. And to be honest, even whenever
1303
01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:25.319
I was in the void, you know, it feels like
1304
01:28:26.460 --> 01:28:30.859
it's not necessarily like you're floating in this black space, right?
1305
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:35.170
It's not necessarily like there is the black space and
1306
01:28:35.210 --> 01:28:36.909
then there's a caricature of you.
1307
01:28:37.409 --> 01:28:42.319
It's almost as if you are the black. space like you.
1308
01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:48.279
Are that just eternal pit of nothingness but what else
1309
01:28:48.340 --> 01:28:51.579
you can get from that is it seems like ultimate
1310
01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:58.199
um anything is possible. Like that point in which anything
1311
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:02.069
can spawn, anything can manifest. I would actually have to
1312
01:29:02.170 --> 01:29:04.640
imagine that you know, if we are to believe the
1313
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:08.680
biblical story or any other religious story about how, uh,
1314
01:29:08.819 --> 01:29:12.579
God created, uh, heaven and earth and the sun and
1315
01:29:12.619 --> 01:29:15.510
the moon and people and animals and plants and all
1316
01:29:15.569 --> 01:29:19.350
that kind of stuff, I would imagine that he was
1317
01:29:19.890 --> 01:29:23.750
floating around in this black space. He was that black
1318
01:29:23.789 --> 01:29:28.770
space and then thought it somehow into existence because and
1319
01:29:28.810 --> 01:29:30.659
I don't even want to say just thought because I
1320
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.739
think just saying thought, it kind of dilutes what that means.
1321
01:29:34.300 --> 01:29:38.600
I think that there is an eternal oneness with God,
1322
01:29:39.140 --> 01:29:41.920
that God is kind of everything in a sense.
1323
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:44.899
And that's kind of what I, what I experienced.
1324
01:29:44.979 --> 01:29:49.390
I am, I imagined that God was almost nothingness, that
1325
01:29:49.550 --> 01:29:53.829
it was complete void. And then he thought everything and
1326
01:29:53.949 --> 01:29:56.649
said it and spoken into existence. However you want to
1327
01:29:56.689 --> 01:29:58.829
look at it. I, I don't even know if I
1328
01:29:58.890 --> 01:30:00.829
necessarily even like the term God.
1329
01:30:00.850 --> 01:30:04.710
I kind of like the.
1330
01:30:03.609 --> 01:30:07.569
Terms like the universe or the source or something because
1331
01:30:07.590 --> 01:30:11.170
it almost seems like some kind of generator that is
1332
01:30:11.250 --> 01:30:13.409
projecting this entire reality.
1333
01:30:14.229 --> 01:30:19.220
And I don't know. I've heard plenty of different interpretations
1334
01:30:19.270 --> 01:30:19.649
of that.
1335
01:30:20.069 --> 01:30:23.439
One of my favorite people to interview, his name is
1336
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:28.770
Optimistic Banks. And he, the way he describes reality is,
1337
01:30:28.789 --> 01:30:31.319
is that everything is kind of a fractal of you
1338
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:34.960
and that you are everything. And I actually really liked
1339
01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.979
that interpretation for a moment. And then I was like, dude,
1340
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:41.260
if everything is me, that makes.
1341
01:30:41.100 --> 01:30:42.970
Me even lonelier. You know what I mean?
1342
01:30:43.050 --> 01:30:46.810
Like what a, what a sad, pathetic way of, you know,
1343
01:30:47.109 --> 01:30:50.560
convincing myself that I have family and friends.
1344
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.600
And it's just made up in my mind.
1345
01:30:52.659 --> 01:30:55.649
So I don't even necessarily like that one, but I do,
1346
01:30:56.350 --> 01:30:59.569
I do kind of believe it's somewhere, uh, uh, along
1347
01:31:00.130 --> 01:31:03.729
that kind of path there. Although I do like the, uh,
1348
01:31:04.130 --> 01:31:07.949
you know, who Bashar is the channeler guy. or Daryl Longa,
1349
01:31:07.970 --> 01:31:12.310
he channels Bashar, but he says that basically life is
1350
01:31:12.390 --> 01:31:16.800
meaningless until we give it meaning, and that we're always shifting,
1351
01:31:17.020 --> 01:31:23.979
literally every moment is you're shifting to another reality, another dimension,
1352
01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:26.500
and so maybe this is why certain people experience the
1353
01:31:26.539 --> 01:31:30.420
Mandela effect, and some people remember Nelson Mandela dying in jail,
1354
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:31.279
you know the whole story.
1355
01:31:32.909 --> 01:31:34.729
And so, I don't know, I think that this.
1356
01:31:34.659 --> 01:31:38.329
Reality is a lot crazier and a lot different than
1357
01:31:38.409 --> 01:31:41.069
what we always thought it was. but I will say
1358
01:31:41.170 --> 01:31:43.029
as far as the void goes, there's a lot of
1359
01:31:43.069 --> 01:31:45.300
good things that can come from being in there. So
1360
01:31:45.340 --> 01:31:49.939
you'll have like the, the ego dissolution, like, I mean, you,
1361
01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:54.680
you just saw literally everything dissolve. And so that everything
1362
01:31:55.359 --> 01:32:00.260
was almost how you perceived everything, how you perceived everything
1363
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:04.329
just dissolved. And now it births a, a new version
1364
01:32:04.409 --> 01:32:07.550
of you like a rebirth. It's almost like the Phoenix, right? So,
1365
01:32:07.909 --> 01:32:11.109
It's like a death simulation and a rebirth. It feels
1366
01:32:11.189 --> 01:32:15.010
like you're dying. It feels like you're completely letting go
1367
01:32:15.069 --> 01:32:19.229
of everything. But then you return with this brand new perspective.
1368
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.260
It was almost like a baptism in a way. And
1369
01:32:23.340 --> 01:32:26.579
it's really cool, dude, because you feel like afterward you
1370
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:31.260
feel a more intense connection to whatever infinity is, whatever
1371
01:32:31.739 --> 01:32:35.229
the source or God or whatever is that The great
1372
01:32:35.430 --> 01:32:39.029
I am. It's like I am everything and nothing at
1373
01:32:39.069 --> 01:32:42.930
the same time. But yeah, I mean, there's a bunch
1374
01:32:43.050 --> 01:32:47.130
of different interpretations of it, as I was saying. And
1375
01:32:47.149 --> 01:32:49.420
I actually kind of wanted to touch on that as
1376
01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:54.020
far as, you know, just starting out with the Mesopotamian mythology.
1377
01:32:54.220 --> 01:32:59.460
They called it the primordial void in their language, I'm sure.
1378
01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:04.020
But it converts to primordial void. So in the Enuma Elish,
1379
01:33:04.060 --> 01:33:07.449
the creation myth begins with Apsu, or fresh water, and
1380
01:33:07.489 --> 01:33:12.020
then Tiamat, which is salt water, representing the chaotic waters
1381
01:33:12.069 --> 01:33:16.260
before creation. This formless state is similar to a void.
1382
01:33:16.859 --> 01:33:17.039
So.
1383
01:33:17.550 --> 01:33:20.810
You got the primordial void in Mesopotamian. Then you got
1384
01:33:20.869 --> 01:33:23.970
the Egyptian mythology that talks about it, and they call
1385
01:33:24.029 --> 01:33:27.510
it the Nu, or the Nun, which is the primordial
1386
01:33:27.529 --> 01:33:32.050
waters of chaos. Everything emerged from Nu, which is considered
1387
01:33:32.090 --> 01:33:37.689
the void before the cosmos. The Greek mythology just calls
1388
01:33:37.729 --> 01:33:41.899
it chaos. Like, that is, the void is chaos. It's
1389
01:33:41.949 --> 01:33:47.180
the first thing in Hesiod, I can never pronounce all
1390
01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:54.350
these Greek names, but Hesiod, he wrote something called Theogony. Chaos,
1391
01:33:54.510 --> 01:33:58.649
where he says chaos isn't just disorder, it's a yawning
1392
01:33:58.869 --> 01:34:02.649
gap or a void from which all things arise, like
1393
01:34:02.710 --> 01:34:06.909
Gaia and Eros and stuff like that. So a yawning gap.
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01:34:06.970 --> 01:34:09.909
I thought that that was a pretty cool way of
1395
01:34:09.970 --> 01:34:12.890
looking at it. And then, of course, even maybe the
1396
01:34:12.949 --> 01:34:16.699
biblical interpretation would be the resting on the seventh day
1397
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:18.319
where nothing's really going on.
1398
01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:18.739
Right.
1399
01:34:19.189 --> 01:34:19.590
I don't know.
1400
01:34:19.779 --> 01:34:23.109
Maybe it's day zero is probably the most, the most
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01:34:23.170 --> 01:34:25.750
realistic place that you can get to the void before
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01:34:25.810 --> 01:34:30.630
day one of creation. But, um, in Norse mythology, they
1403
01:34:30.670 --> 01:34:34.630
have what is called Ginn, Ginnun Gagap.
1404
01:34:35.550 --> 01:34:36.350
It's a weird word.
1405
01:34:37.029 --> 01:34:40.189
Um, but it's a vast primordial void between the icy
1406
01:34:40.270 --> 01:34:45.819
realm of Nephilim and the fiery realm of Muspelheim. if
1407
01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:49.840
I'm not mistaking that, creation begins when these two forces
1408
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.920
meet in the gap. So it's still a gap, right?
1409
01:34:54.699 --> 01:34:59.909
This gap of vast primordial nothingness. And so it's cool, though,
1410
01:34:59.949 --> 01:35:02.470
like how you're seeing it depicted across all these different
1411
01:35:02.510 --> 01:35:07.250
religions and all these different mythologies because it's like.
1412
01:35:09.109 --> 01:35:12.680
You know, whenever you experience something on mushrooms or on DMT,
1413
01:35:13.300 --> 01:35:15.739
you assume that you're the only one that's ever been there,
1414
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:17.939
you're the only one that's ever experienced it, if you're
1415
01:35:17.979 --> 01:35:21.039
shifted to another plane or another dimension or something like that.
1416
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:22.380
But then you come out.
1417
01:35:22.300 --> 01:35:24.770
Of it and you realize that all of these other
1418
01:35:24.909 --> 01:35:28.489
mythologies have been talking about it for centuries. You know,
1419
01:35:28.630 --> 01:35:31.750
and that's what's awesome about it, because what you were
1420
01:35:31.869 --> 01:35:33.909
able to experience, you're not.
1421
01:35:33.810 --> 01:35:36.270
The only one to experience that. So it almost.
1422
01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:40.079
It makes it more valuable at that point to me,
1423
01:35:40.260 --> 01:35:42.779
knowing that it wasn't just my mind that made this up.
1424
01:35:42.939 --> 01:35:43.560
You know what I'm saying?
1425
01:35:43.579 --> 01:35:44.800
A hundred percent.
1426
01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:49.970
Now, I want to get deep into the possibilities of
1427
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:55.350
what is baseline reality if we are indeed experiencing it
1428
01:35:55.569 --> 01:36:00.750
or if we are in layers removed. But before we
1429
01:36:00.789 --> 01:36:03.850
get to that, is there anything else about your experience
1430
01:36:03.989 --> 01:36:06.270
or the void that we didn't cover yet that you'd
1431
01:36:06.310 --> 01:36:06.569
like to?
1432
01:36:08.810 --> 01:36:10.529
Yeah, I mean, I actually have a lot that I
1433
01:36:10.550 --> 01:36:11.430
can really go on.
1434
01:36:12.850 --> 01:36:15.850
You know, there's all these different theories as to what
1435
01:36:15.890 --> 01:36:19.760
the void could be, which I like looking into them,
1436
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:23.729
not only just the spirituality and the mythology behind it,
1437
01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:27.779
but the possible theories as to what that place is.
1438
01:36:28.220 --> 01:36:31.619
Some people believe that the void is part of a
1439
01:36:31.779 --> 01:36:35.250
soul recycling system controlled by non-human entities.
1440
01:36:35.270 --> 01:36:39.130
Oh, here we go. And this is where it gets strange.
1441
01:36:39.289 --> 01:36:43.500
So have you had the privilege of talking to the
1442
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.689
guy who created the documentary called The Discovery?
1443
01:36:46.750 --> 01:36:47.890
His name is Danny Goler.
1444
01:36:47.930 --> 01:36:48.430
No, I have not.
1445
01:36:50.340 --> 01:36:52.619
I got to hook you up with him. This guy
1446
01:36:52.859 --> 01:36:53.819
is phenomenal.
1447
01:36:54.619 --> 01:36:58.289
For anybody that's that's seen this this trailer for this video,
1448
01:36:58.310 --> 01:36:59.949
it's actually going to be coming out later this year.
1449
01:37:00.229 --> 01:37:02.289
But the trailer is out and people have been throwing
1450
01:37:02.350 --> 01:37:04.829
it around on social media like crazy. And just like
1451
01:37:04.930 --> 01:37:07.229
even Joe Rogan brought it up. He was like, holy shit,
1452
01:37:07.270 --> 01:37:09.350
I can't believe, you know, somebody has been able to
1453
01:37:09.409 --> 01:37:14.590
document this. But basically, this guy, Danny Goeller, he he
1454
01:37:14.630 --> 01:37:16.100
was smoking DMT.
1455
01:37:16.109 --> 01:37:17.520
I know what you're about to say. Yes, I have
1456
01:37:17.539 --> 01:37:17.880
heard this.
1457
01:37:19.340 --> 01:37:21.359
Yeah, he was smoking DMT and he came up with
1458
01:37:21.380 --> 01:37:25.090
the idea to shine a laser and refract it off
1459
01:37:25.250 --> 01:37:28.130
of some kind of glass or some kind of cup
1460
01:37:28.210 --> 01:37:31.750
or something like that. And then the refracted laser beam
1461
01:37:32.149 --> 01:37:34.130
that is coming from the cup that is now shining
1462
01:37:34.289 --> 01:37:38.409
onto the wall. You can look at the laser, um,
1463
01:37:38.670 --> 01:37:40.609
just get up like real close to it. You can
1464
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:42.859
look at the laser beam that's on the wall. That's
1465
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:46.800
being reflected from the glass. And you can see what
1466
01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:52.210
he describes as possible, like tiny gears, some kind of numbers.
1467
01:37:52.590 --> 01:37:55.210
It seems to be like some kind of coding of
1468
01:37:55.250 --> 01:37:58.289
this reality, almost like the matrix with all the ones
1469
01:37:58.350 --> 01:38:02.189
and zeros, because he actually uses it with a red
1470
01:38:02.409 --> 01:38:04.050
laser light. He says you can do it with all
1471
01:38:04.069 --> 01:38:08.180
the different colors, the greens or whatever. But the red
1472
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:09.899
he thought was.
1473
01:38:11.250 --> 01:38:13.689
I think red has this property to it that it's
1474
01:38:14.109 --> 01:38:17.060
it's it's the exact opposite of green. So green is
1475
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:23.180
like exciting. It's it's it's very bright. Whereas red, you know,
1476
01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:26.449
even in like the military, they'll use like the red
1477
01:38:27.149 --> 01:38:29.949
infrared goggles because it shines a little bit.
1478
01:38:30.060 --> 01:38:30.350
Less.
1479
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.359
But what's what's fascinating about the color red is that, yes,
1480
01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.340
it doesn't give off such a shine, but it does
1481
01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:40.579
allow you to to perceive things farther because the red
1482
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:43.399
light bounces off of things that are even at a
1483
01:38:43.460 --> 01:38:47.090
distance way better than almost any color. Um, so he
1484
01:38:47.149 --> 01:38:49.970
was able to look at this, this laser light that
1485
01:38:49.989 --> 01:38:52.300
was shining up against the wall and was able to
1486
01:38:52.420 --> 01:38:54.000
see the coding of this reality.
1487
01:38:54.020 --> 01:38:56.170
He, and he wanted to be able to see. if
1488
01:38:56.210 --> 01:39:00.529
he could keep on proving this.
1489
01:39:00.779 --> 01:39:02.479
And he wanted to see if anybody else would be
1490
01:39:02.539 --> 01:39:04.899
able to come up and be able to see the
1491
01:39:04.939 --> 01:39:08.399
same thing that he's seeing. Because if everybody can see
1492
01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:11.560
what he's seeing, then it's not just in his mind
1493
01:39:11.619 --> 01:39:14.890
that this could be the actual source code behind the
1494
01:39:14.930 --> 01:39:16.149
makeup of this reality.
1495
01:39:16.170 --> 01:39:18.710
If he could recreate it and someone else could experience
1496
01:39:18.770 --> 01:39:22.409
the exact same thing, it'd be like a scientific method
1497
01:39:22.729 --> 01:39:23.430
to prove this.
1498
01:39:25.050 --> 01:39:26.069
Yes, exactly.
1499
01:39:26.210 --> 01:39:28.609
And this has been something that psychonauts all around the
1500
01:39:28.649 --> 01:39:31.069
world have been trying to do forever. I mean, if
1501
01:39:31.189 --> 01:39:34.640
you could like what you what you experience on certain
1502
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:37.659
psychedelics can be really awesome, very fascinating, whatever.
1503
01:39:37.739 --> 01:39:39.619
But it's sad that you don't.
1504
01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:43.239
Get to experience that with, you know, your friend or
1505
01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:45.640
your wife or whoever it is that you're, you know,
1506
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:48.859
you're doing psychedelics with. It's just like a personal you experience.
1507
01:39:49.180 --> 01:39:51.000
And so you always have that thought of, oh, I
1508
01:39:51.060 --> 01:39:52.920
wish they were here. I wish you could see this.
1509
01:39:53.220 --> 01:39:57.039
I'm seeing a unicorn and it's rainbow and it's riding
1510
01:39:57.180 --> 01:40:01.319
on a whatever, right? Like whatever you experience. Um, so
1511
01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:04.340
he was able to basically keep on proving that. And
1512
01:40:04.380 --> 01:40:06.220
so he wrote a doc or he, yeah, he wrote
1513
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:08.159
a documentary and it's going to be coming out here soon.
1514
01:40:08.300 --> 01:40:09.100
Fascinating guy.
1515
01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.069
But yeah, I think that this reality, it probably is
1516
01:40:14.189 --> 01:40:16.590
some sort of illusion.
1517
01:40:17.869 --> 01:40:20.090
Maybe it's from us. Maybe it is some kind of
1518
01:40:20.149 --> 01:40:20.989
soul trap theory.
1519
01:40:21.029 --> 01:40:23.729
But the idea behind the soul trap theory is that
1520
01:40:23.949 --> 01:40:27.340
after death or even the ego death on DMT, you're
1521
01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:29.140
pulled into the void, it says.
1522
01:40:29.979 --> 01:40:31.859
It's not a liberation. It's a trap.
1523
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:36.949
False light beings or a life review trick you into reincarnating.
1524
01:40:37.329 --> 01:40:40.109
And the void is a buffer zone before your consciousness
1525
01:40:40.170 --> 01:40:44.720
is funneled back into the matrix. So this is the
1526
01:40:44.899 --> 01:40:48.279
the idea behind like the archons and stuff like that.
1527
01:40:48.739 --> 01:40:51.840
The void is the holding tank for souls before they
1528
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:53.899
get mind wiped and sent back to Earth.
1529
01:40:55.069 --> 01:40:57.250
I don't know. I mean, that's that's.
1530
01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:03.039
I don't want to believe that the Anunnaki, you know,
1531
01:41:03.180 --> 01:41:06.560
Enloe and Anki are just using us here and on
1532
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:11.560
this prison planet. That's not really my vibe. But maybe
1533
01:41:11.579 --> 01:41:14.890
it's possible the whole soul trap theory. Then there's the possible. Well,
1534
01:41:14.949 --> 01:41:18.569
is this a A.I. or a simulation type control system?
1535
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.380
So it says, the void is the back end of
1536
01:41:23.420 --> 01:41:26.189
a simulated universe, and we're not supposed to go there.
1537
01:41:26.590 --> 01:41:31.770
DMT lets you accidentally hack into this forbidden layer. The
1538
01:41:31.789 --> 01:41:37.109
black void is where AI or non-human overseers monitor the simulation,
1539
01:41:37.510 --> 01:41:42.010
and some people report encounters with sentinels or watchers when
1540
01:41:42.029 --> 01:41:46.850
they stay too long in the void. Maybe that's possible.
1541
01:41:46.909 --> 01:41:51.079
Maybe this is some kind of... AI control system in
1542
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.270
that sense. But the problem is, is that these are
1543
01:41:54.510 --> 01:41:59.949
all fear-based, you know? And I don't always sense only
1544
01:42:00.090 --> 01:42:03.409
fear whenever I'm in that realm. Yes, I did experience
1545
01:42:03.489 --> 01:42:06.760
it once or twice, but that's not the all of it.
1546
01:42:07.050 --> 01:42:10.329
If it was such a terrible, you know, prison place
1547
01:42:10.409 --> 01:42:13.189
where we're at, or even what we were able to experience,
1548
01:42:13.310 --> 01:42:14.210
it would never be good.
1549
01:42:14.289 --> 01:42:16.689
You wouldn't even know what good meant, I would think.
1550
01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:22.119
Um, so then there's the, the galactic prison theory, which
1551
01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.359
is that earth is a soul prison and the void
1552
01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:28.960
is the prison's control room or purgatory. The void is
1553
01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.430
what you see between lifetimes. It's part of the soul
1554
01:42:31.510 --> 01:42:35.029
containment system. And some say it's actually connected to Saturn
1555
01:42:35.170 --> 01:42:39.550
and the moon as mechanisms for trapping consciousness. I've heard
1556
01:42:39.590 --> 01:42:41.850
that one. Don't go into the light. It's actually the
1557
01:42:41.909 --> 01:42:42.710
moon and it's.
1558
01:42:42.789 --> 01:42:46.090
A negative evil force that, you know, is just going
1559
01:42:46.130 --> 01:42:48.609
to trick you into coming back into this reality so
1560
01:42:48.630 --> 01:42:51.170
that you can keep on powering up the machine because
1561
01:42:51.529 --> 01:42:55.250
all of your emotions is what these bigger entities thrive
1562
01:42:55.409 --> 01:42:56.250
on or something.
1563
01:42:56.329 --> 01:42:56.590
Right.
1564
01:42:56.649 --> 01:42:59.800
Like, I mean, I think that it's just more than that.
1565
01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:04.079
I understand how people might think this though. Um, some
1566
01:43:04.100 --> 01:43:07.039
people like to bring up the, that it could be, uh, the,
1567
01:43:07.140 --> 01:43:12.460
the Demiurge firewall. So the idea that God is actually
1568
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:18.569
a demiurge, maybe. So the void is a firewall built
1569
01:43:18.630 --> 01:43:21.590
by the demiurge to keep you from reaching the true source.
1570
01:43:22.090 --> 01:43:25.409
You think you've reached truth, in quotes, when you hit
1571
01:43:25.470 --> 01:43:28.890
the void, but it's actually just the final illusion. Only
1572
01:43:28.909 --> 01:43:32.090
by piercing the void with deep mystical experience or extreme
1573
01:43:32.149 --> 01:43:35.260
consciousness training can you reach the divine realm. It's a
1574
01:43:35.300 --> 01:43:38.970
spiritual decoy meant to stop you from going farther. So
1575
01:43:39.010 --> 01:43:42.649
the void would be a black mirror that the demiurge
1576
01:43:42.750 --> 01:43:45.829
holds up to you to stop you from seeing God.
1577
01:43:47.430 --> 01:43:50.920
That's possible, maybe. Then, of course, people like to get
1578
01:43:50.979 --> 01:43:55.020
into CERN and portals and artificial voids and CERN opening
1579
01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:59.539
up black holes. Some theorists believe that particle accelerators like
1580
01:43:59.659 --> 01:44:03.550
CERN are attempting to access or artificially open the void.
1581
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:07.659
And it's not that crazy because, you know, whenever CERN
1582
01:44:07.699 --> 01:44:11.119
first fired it up is whenever people started documenting Mandela effects.
1583
01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:14.819
And this we this this this life started to get
1584
01:44:14.850 --> 01:44:18.069
a little bit more dreamlike, at least from my perspective. Like,
1585
01:44:18.229 --> 01:44:22.270
I feel like it wasn't it's not so it's not
1586
01:44:22.310 --> 01:44:26.710
so stiff. It's not so material anymore that it almost like. like,
1587
01:44:26.789 --> 01:44:31.430
the idea of manifestation becomes easier to swallow in this
1588
01:44:31.489 --> 01:44:35.029
new reality after CERN tried to basically have us swallowed
1589
01:44:35.090 --> 01:44:37.550
up into a black hole, which, I don't know if
1590
01:44:37.569 --> 01:44:42.800
you've seen these documents about how even they're saying or
1591
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:46.859
some scientists actually believe that, you know, Earth could be
1592
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:50.020
inside of a black hole. So, maybe that's why this
1593
01:44:50.060 --> 01:44:51.100
reality is so freaking weird.
1594
01:44:51.180 --> 01:44:51.560
Who knows?
1595
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:57.310
Dude, there are so many possibilities. I don't believe we're Ready.
1596
01:44:57.750 --> 01:45:00.149
Not yet. I don't know if we ever will be.
1597
01:45:00.789 --> 01:45:04.329
I believe that there's some mysteries that humans are not
1598
01:45:04.550 --> 01:45:08.510
meant to understand. I agree with you, man. I think
1599
01:45:08.550 --> 01:45:11.960
that's too dark of a perspective. I think even the
1600
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:15.000
worst of the experiences here are meant for us to
1601
01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:19.279
learn and grow from spiritually. That there is something beyond this.
1602
01:45:19.420 --> 01:45:24.970
But I can definitely see why people would lean towards
1603
01:45:25.020 --> 01:45:31.659
the prison planet theory. The things that keep us and
1604
01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:34.850
keep our consciousness in a box in this reality are
1605
01:45:35.510 --> 01:45:39.949
very oppressive, and we're subjected to that from the time
1606
01:45:40.010 --> 01:45:44.670
we're born. There are also things that seem to go
1607
01:45:44.750 --> 01:45:48.220
against our free will that occur in this reality. There
1608
01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:52.899
are people who, from a very young age, experience very invasive,
1609
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:59.359
horrifying experiences, whether it's through MKUltra or alien abductions or
1610
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:04.439
just being born in the wrong place, wrong time, they
1611
01:46:04.939 --> 01:46:09.520
seem to not have the same chance as other people.
1612
01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:14.239
And this brings the question, is our free will being
1613
01:46:14.380 --> 01:46:18.550
infringed upon in some ways? You look at all of
1614
01:46:18.710 --> 01:46:23.750
our systems of governance. You look at the matrix as
1615
01:46:23.770 --> 01:46:28.479
a whole. Everything we are subjected to has a level
1616
01:46:28.939 --> 01:46:34.880
of toxicity that prevents us from reaching our true potential.
1617
01:46:35.619 --> 01:46:38.079
And if you look at all of that as a whole,
1618
01:46:38.819 --> 01:46:43.380
it does seem like we are being held captive, at
1619
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:48.460
least on a certain level, consciousness is being suppressed.
1620
01:46:49.460 --> 01:46:51.500
Is that part of the overall game?
1621
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:57.039
Is this experience the level where we have to overcome
1622
01:46:57.100 --> 01:46:59.770
that and get past it?
1623
01:46:59.939 --> 01:47:02.369
Is there a way to? Many people look at.
1624
01:47:02.350 --> 01:47:04.949
The system as it is now and it seems to
1625
01:47:04.989 --> 01:47:08.770
be just getting bigger and more all-encompassing and we seem
1626
01:47:08.829 --> 01:47:13.149
to be in a simulation within a simulation within a
1627
01:47:13.189 --> 01:47:18.220
simulation That's why I brought up baseline reality earlier. Many
1628
01:47:18.260 --> 01:47:22.399
of the nerd dork Silicon Valley tech guys believe that
1629
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:25.420
it's impossible that we're in baseline reality.
1630
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:26.800
I don't know.
1631
01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:32.439
But I know that with the rising awareness that is
1632
01:47:32.500 --> 01:47:37.359
coming over the entire planet, it's going to be impossible
1633
01:47:37.550 --> 01:47:40.550
for us to keep going the way we have been.
1634
01:47:41.149 --> 01:47:43.949
And there are incredible discoveries. I'm sure you heard about
1635
01:47:43.989 --> 01:47:47.649
the pyramid thing, the structures underneath the Giza pyramid that
1636
01:47:47.670 --> 01:47:52.659
were found. That could be a huge game changer, as
1637
01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:56.819
well as what we're seeing unfolding with the global consciousness
1638
01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:00.779
in general, the awareness. I have seen some, I guess
1639
01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:03.970
you could say, regression lately as it relates to this
1640
01:48:04.069 --> 01:48:07.550
new administration and some of the hopium that's going around.
1641
01:48:08.260 --> 01:48:12.449
But overall, I do see some amazing changes and things
1642
01:48:12.489 --> 01:48:15.590
that I never thought I'd see in my lifetime unfolding.
1643
01:48:15.689 --> 01:48:18.270
And it does seem dreamlike. And it makes me wonder
1644
01:48:18.329 --> 01:48:22.520
if during one of those... profound psychedelic experiences that I
1645
01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:25.880
had that I was sucked into a different reality I
1646
01:48:25.939 --> 01:48:27.899
don't know and like I said I'm not sure if
1647
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:32.060
we're supposed to know but there is this oppressive system
1648
01:48:32.819 --> 01:48:36.810
there is this layer of reality that's a false layer
1649
01:48:36.850 --> 01:48:41.090
that continues to build upon itself and And I believe
1650
01:48:41.130 --> 01:48:43.409
it's up to us to check out of that and
1651
01:48:43.470 --> 01:48:47.430
get back to as natural of a state as possible
1652
01:48:48.189 --> 01:48:53.350
for us to even become aware if this is baseline reality,
1653
01:48:53.470 --> 01:48:56.010
if there's a way out, if there's another layer. There's
1654
01:48:56.069 --> 01:48:57.670
always more questions than answers.
1655
01:48:59.750 --> 01:49:00.989
Yeah, absolutely.
1656
01:49:01.340 --> 01:49:04.720
And to be honest, I know that that is something that, that,
1657
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:08.319
that a lot of people wonder is this base baseline reality.
1658
01:49:08.500 --> 01:49:12.899
If there are multiple dimensions and multiple different timelines, um,
1659
01:49:13.380 --> 01:49:17.050
I don't even know if it, I'm not sure that
1660
01:49:17.090 --> 01:49:20.289
there is such thing as baseline reality. This is where
1661
01:49:20.329 --> 01:49:23.510
I've gotten to. I think that no matter where you are,
1662
01:49:23.590 --> 01:49:26.869
that's where reality is like where your awareness is.
1663
01:49:26.930 --> 01:49:28.569
That's where reality is in a sense.
1664
01:49:29.289 --> 01:49:32.699
Um, uh, and, and, you know, I, I find it
1665
01:49:32.739 --> 01:49:37.310
fascinating about how certain governments and even certain religions have
1666
01:49:37.329 --> 01:49:41.130
been creating systems to invoke.
1667
01:49:40.829 --> 01:49:44.210
Fear and as a way to be able to garner
1668
01:49:44.250 --> 01:49:47.310
as much control as possible. And we've heard the theories
1669
01:49:47.390 --> 01:49:48.329
about how.
1670
01:49:49.869 --> 01:49:54.640
Maybe the certain governments and technologies are years ahead in
1671
01:49:54.699 --> 01:50:00.479
their advancement in technology and understanding about how to control
1672
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.460
people because they are doing a fascinating job of it.
1673
01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:04.840
I think that a lot of people are waking up
1674
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.729
from it. especially with all the COVID nonsense and everything else.
1675
01:50:07.850 --> 01:50:12.109
But the fact that there are some people waking up
1676
01:50:14.289 --> 01:50:17.350
from what you could say was the simulation, everybody was
1677
01:50:17.390 --> 01:50:21.319
seemingly hypnotized, believing mainstream.
1678
01:50:21.100 --> 01:50:22.680
News sources and stuff like that.
1679
01:50:22.739 --> 01:50:25.720
But now I think with the birth of the internet
1680
01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:28.579
and all these social media platforms, people are getting together.
1681
01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:32.680
And trying to break down what this reality is, but
1682
01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:38.180
the whole Egyptian thing really threw a bone into the
1683
01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:42.810
machine because if we are to believe that certain governments
1684
01:50:42.869 --> 01:50:45.689
of the world are decades ahead of us in their
1685
01:50:46.029 --> 01:50:50.350
technological advancement, I think that the pyramids now prove that.
1686
01:50:50.850 --> 01:50:53.810
And I think that it's much, much, I think there's
1687
01:50:53.890 --> 01:50:57.489
so much more ahead that 30 or 40 years isn't enough.
1688
01:50:57.569 --> 01:51:01.170
We could be talking about a power that is so
1689
01:51:01.250 --> 01:51:09.020
powerful that has thousands of years of technology ahead of us,
1690
01:51:09.180 --> 01:51:11.840
in a sense. So looking at the pyramids, you can
1691
01:51:11.899 --> 01:51:19.050
see that Maybe it was some kind of free energy
1692
01:51:19.130 --> 01:51:22.890
generator of sorts. And that's what's crazy is that it
1693
01:51:22.970 --> 01:51:28.430
seemed very technological for the time. Does this birth the
1694
01:51:29.449 --> 01:51:33.840
credence even behind... Atlantis or Mu or any of these
1695
01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:38.800
other ancient civilizations who had certain technologies who were able
1696
01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:41.020
to provide for the world in some type of way. Now,
1697
01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:43.399
if you get an evil man or an evil government
1698
01:51:43.460 --> 01:51:45.340
or an evil religion that wants to be able to
1699
01:51:45.380 --> 01:51:49.300
take all that information and almost reverse engineer it in
1700
01:51:49.340 --> 01:51:52.079
a way to be able to control the masses and
1701
01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:54.819
prevent them from ascending so that you always have some
1702
01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.319
kind of crazy prison planet where everybody's always in fear
1703
01:51:58.380 --> 01:52:01.560
and maybe the demiurge is out there just like, being
1704
01:52:01.659 --> 01:52:05.159
powered up by all the fear. It definitely seems like that. Um,
1705
01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:09.710
you know, I, I think that, you know, to be honest, I, I'm,
1706
01:52:10.010 --> 01:52:13.170
I'm a big fan of looking into UFOs and all
1707
01:52:13.210 --> 01:52:15.989
the orbs and all that stuff. But now that I've
1708
01:52:16.050 --> 01:52:20.149
seen this, this Egyptian thing, it makes me wonder just
1709
01:52:20.270 --> 01:52:25.310
how far back the, the powers that be, how far
1710
01:52:25.390 --> 01:52:31.300
back they're, understanding of this reality is and how much
1711
01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:38.279
more technology that they have that.
1712
01:52:36.100 --> 01:52:38.850
We're completely oblivious to. That's what I want. I want
1713
01:52:38.890 --> 01:52:42.010
to know, like, do they know what we're doing here?
1714
01:52:42.270 --> 01:52:44.350
Do they know why we're here? Do they know where
1715
01:52:44.390 --> 01:52:46.630
we're going? Because I think that.
1716
01:52:49.390 --> 01:52:51.689
The majority of the world, not the majority, I think
1717
01:52:51.729 --> 01:52:53.909
that there's a large percentage of the world that doesn't
1718
01:52:53.970 --> 01:52:56.850
even believe in reincarnation. They don't believe that you can
1719
01:52:56.890 --> 01:52:59.640
come back and exist in another realm or something like that.
1720
01:52:59.649 --> 01:53:01.520
And I'm not here to push anybody's belief on that.
1721
01:53:01.819 --> 01:53:05.659
I'm of the opinion that you'll come across that information
1722
01:53:05.699 --> 01:53:08.079
whenever it's your time, and maybe it never will be
1723
01:53:08.100 --> 01:53:10.500
your time, and maybe your belief system is enough to
1724
01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:11.680
get you through this reality.
1725
01:53:11.979 --> 01:53:13.119
No judgment whatsoever.
1726
01:53:14.579 --> 01:53:17.739
But I think that the powers that be absolutely know
1727
01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:18.539
what we're doing here.
1728
01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:22.000
And I used to think that David Icke was kind
1729
01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:26.319
of crazy. I don't necessarily think he's that crazy anymore,
1730
01:53:26.380 --> 01:53:29.840
that there could be some kind of reptilian overlords that
1731
01:53:29.939 --> 01:53:33.149
are really pulling all the strings because you see how
1732
01:53:33.310 --> 01:53:35.310
brilliant the plan is for control.
1733
01:53:35.890 --> 01:53:39.510
You see how amazingly brilliant it is. But the great
1734
01:53:39.550 --> 01:53:42.489
thing is, is that there are certain things like psychedelics,
1735
01:53:42.550 --> 01:53:45.869
like meditation, like certain spiritual practices that that help you
1736
01:53:46.390 --> 01:53:48.800
look at this reality, shake it up a little bit,
1737
01:53:48.899 --> 01:53:51.420
see it exactly for what it is, and be like, oh,
1738
01:53:51.460 --> 01:53:54.039
these are just people, and these people just want power.
1739
01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:58.670
And it compartmentalizes it in a way for you to
1740
01:53:58.729 --> 01:54:01.949
be able to not fall victim to their hypnosis.
1741
01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:04.340
And that was probably the most powerful thing.
1742
01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:06.619
One of the most powerful things that I got from
1743
01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:11.199
the whole void situation was that I saw what nothingness was,
1744
01:54:11.649 --> 01:54:14.029
and it sucks way more than what we got going
1745
01:54:14.130 --> 01:54:16.970
on here. But it also allowed me to try and
1746
01:54:17.010 --> 01:54:20.050
get into the minds of, well, the powers that be
1747
01:54:20.090 --> 01:54:21.489
or whoever they are, the.
1748
01:54:21.750 --> 01:54:24.210
Elites, the Illuminati, whatever.
1749
01:54:25.170 --> 01:54:28.630
Maybe they've had this information that I just discovered with
1750
01:54:28.649 --> 01:54:31.189
the void for the longest time and have been using
1751
01:54:31.229 --> 01:54:34.600
it to their advantage in one way or another. I mean,
1752
01:54:34.939 --> 01:54:38.520
anything's really possible, but I don't know. I, I, I
1753
01:54:38.579 --> 01:54:40.100
don't like to live in a state of fear. I
1754
01:54:40.539 --> 01:54:43.560
don't even do like, they always say, don't go to sleep.
1755
01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:45.720
If you know, if you and your wife are mad
1756
01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.239
at each other, kiss my wife every night. I, I,
1757
01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:51.560
I understand exactly what, What that's all about. We don't
1758
01:54:51.619 --> 01:54:54.199
even hardly ever eat out anymore because I know that
1759
01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:56.819
all those people are, you know, they're just working for
1760
01:54:56.850 --> 01:55:01.770
an hourly wage. They're not necessarily focused on sending love
1761
01:55:01.869 --> 01:55:04.329
and joy into the food that they're putting hands on.
1762
01:55:04.470 --> 01:55:07.680
Right. Like and so it makes you.
1763
01:55:09.210 --> 01:55:13.829
Learn how to caress the goodness of this reality and
1764
01:55:13.890 --> 01:55:16.729
attach yourself to it a little bit more and understand
1765
01:55:16.829 --> 01:55:22.279
why you should be more love involved and not so fear-induced.
1766
01:55:23.100 --> 01:55:30.239
The knowledge level for some of these secretive groups, the
1767
01:55:31.180 --> 01:55:37.409
blackest areas of the military-industrial complex, the secret societies, the
1768
01:55:38.029 --> 01:55:44.590
parasitic ruling class has to have knowledge beyond your average Joe,
1769
01:55:44.609 --> 01:55:48.210
beyond even you and me, beyond most people on this
1770
01:55:48.310 --> 01:55:51.300
planet about how a lot of this stuff works. They
1771
01:55:51.340 --> 01:55:54.840
may not know everything, but they probably know enough to
1772
01:55:54.939 --> 01:55:58.800
weaponize and manipulate it. And that is the result of
1773
01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:02.850
what we're seeing right now. What are your thoughts on...
1774
01:56:03.619 --> 01:56:07.479
how everything is unfolding, where the collective is at, what
1775
01:56:07.539 --> 01:56:13.430
could be really behind the new administration, an overall view
1776
01:56:13.850 --> 01:56:15.130
of how everything's going.
1777
01:56:17.010 --> 01:56:22.840
So I think that it's unwise to put your entire
1778
01:56:22.899 --> 01:56:30.720
faith into any political arm whatsoever. Now, I'll I voted
1779
01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:33.409
for Trump three times. I'll vote for him again. I mean,
1780
01:56:34.350 --> 01:56:36.430
I don't care if it's unconstitutional. I like the way
1781
01:56:36.470 --> 01:56:38.829
that this country is starting to shape up into personally,
1782
01:56:39.270 --> 01:56:40.979
you know, with all of the doge things.
1783
01:56:41.529 --> 01:56:43.609
I don't care if you're going to.
1784
01:56:43.630 --> 01:56:47.970
Fund $ 5 million to see how well a squirrel hangs
1785
01:56:48.109 --> 01:56:49.949
on to a tree whenever you're trying to blow it
1786
01:56:50.050 --> 01:56:53.310
off with a leaf blower or a lizard or, you know,
1787
01:56:53.670 --> 01:56:58.050
documenting transgender dogs and seeing their behavior. I don't think
1788
01:56:58.069 --> 01:57:00.189
that money should be going to these things. And I
1789
01:57:00.260 --> 01:57:04.119
think that it's an amazing thing what Doge has going on. However,
1790
01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:08.039
I do love all of that. However, I'm looking at
1791
01:57:08.060 --> 01:57:10.020
it with the third eye all the way open, trying
1792
01:57:10.060 --> 01:57:14.899
to understand, all right, if this was evil, what would
1793
01:57:14.939 --> 01:57:19.270
they be doing? And I think you would come in
1794
01:57:19.390 --> 01:57:22.630
almost as a savior and you would get rid of
1795
01:57:22.729 --> 01:57:25.649
all the things that everybody can collectively agree on. We
1796
01:57:25.729 --> 01:57:29.449
shouldn't be sending money to all these different experiments and
1797
01:57:29.489 --> 01:57:32.939
stuff like that. Or or sending it to certain schools
1798
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:34.920
to be able to teach them DEI. I think that
1799
01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:38.060
we can all collectively get in line and say it's
1800
01:57:38.100 --> 01:57:41.010
a good thing what he's doing. So if you were evil,
1801
01:57:41.250 --> 01:57:43.930
you would do a lot of things that the majority
1802
01:57:43.949 --> 01:57:47.750
of people would agree disposing of would be a good thing.
1803
01:57:48.090 --> 01:57:50.649
You would bring on people like Tulsi Gabbard. You would
1804
01:57:50.689 --> 01:57:55.500
bring on people like RFK Jr. because these are likable characters.
1805
01:57:55.720 --> 01:58:00.779
We resonate with them to a certain point. However, You
1806
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.439
start to look into some of the backstories. You know,
1807
01:58:03.500 --> 01:58:08.130
Donnie T was boys with Epstein. RFK was flying on
1808
01:58:08.149 --> 01:58:09.170
the Lolita Express.
1809
01:58:09.210 --> 01:58:11.319
He even came. out and told everybody.
1810
01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:13.659
He goes, now, I don't believe that they were involved
1811
01:58:13.859 --> 01:58:16.840
in some kind of child trafficking thing because RFK kind
1812
01:58:16.859 --> 01:58:18.470
of got out in front of it. Then you got
1813
01:58:18.510 --> 01:58:21.310
Tulsi Gabbard. She seems awesome. You know, she's a veteran.
1814
01:58:21.350 --> 01:58:24.369
She's from Hawaii. She's a very strong, ambitious woman.
1815
01:58:24.890 --> 01:58:29.090
But then you look into, well, she was actually in the,
1816
01:58:29.210 --> 01:58:30.800
what was it? at the World.
1817
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:36.159
Economic Forum for the next young generation to be able
1818
01:58:36.199 --> 01:58:38.989
to take over the world in some kind of way.
1819
01:58:39.029 --> 01:58:40.229
I can't remember exactly what it was.
1820
01:58:40.170 --> 01:58:44.550
Called, but I think that you should be looking at
1821
01:58:44.569 --> 01:58:50.430
it with a squinted eye because they are getting rid
1822
01:58:50.449 --> 01:58:52.689
of a lot of horrible things, but at the same time,
1823
01:58:53.149 --> 01:58:56.560
doesn't that open up the door for something brand new
1824
01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.819
to come in And we don't exactly know where all
1825
01:58:58.840 --> 01:59:01.819
this money is going to be going now. Like, all right, good.
1826
01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:04.579
You know, you got rid of funding these horrible things.
1827
01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:06.140
But what are you going to do with that money now?
1828
01:59:06.340 --> 01:59:09.279
What is going to be the new the phoenix that
1829
01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:12.890
is rising from those ashes? And we haven't necessarily seen
1830
01:59:12.930 --> 01:59:15.430
that yet because the old guard is still being torn down.
1831
01:59:16.909 --> 01:59:21.239
I think that it's possible that. we should have been
1832
01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:23.800
a little bit more careful about what we were wishing for.
1833
01:59:24.779 --> 01:59:28.939
And what could potentially evilly come from this is something
1834
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:32.300
that is a lot more controlling in some kind of way. Um,
1835
01:59:32.460 --> 01:59:35.399
I'm not, I'm not of that belief. I'm just knowing
1836
01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:39.239
that that is a possibility that what we could be,
1837
01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:42.439
what we could have spawned is something way worse than
1838
01:59:42.479 --> 01:59:44.960
what we had before, as far as control systems go
1839
01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:45.800
and stuff like that.
1840
01:59:45.859 --> 01:59:49.100
Personally, I don't believe that that's what happening, but it
1841
01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:49.949
remains to be seen. Right on.
1842
01:59:49.970 --> 01:59:55.880
Well, I swing on a less optimistic note when it
1843
01:59:55.979 --> 01:59:59.039
comes to this, and I'm a very optimistic person. I
1844
01:59:59.060 --> 02:00:02.779
try to look at the best in every situation, but
1845
02:00:02.899 --> 02:00:06.770
I'm also realistic. I have no emotional attachment to politics.
1846
02:00:06.850 --> 02:00:08.949
I haven't for a very long time, and I'm able
1847
02:00:08.989 --> 02:00:12.670
to step back and look at all sides of things
1848
02:00:12.750 --> 02:00:17.930
very objectively. I hope I am wrong about this, but
1849
02:00:18.430 --> 02:00:21.300
I always have to question– Why would they be doing
1850
02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:23.500
something beneficial for humanity?
1851
02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:24.680
Have they ever?
1852
02:00:25.380 --> 02:00:29.520
Who is Donald Trump? Who has he always displayed himself
1853
02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:33.689
to be? Well, now he's displaying himself to be an
1854
02:00:34.569 --> 02:00:41.470
America-loving Christian who has the best interest of the country
1855
02:00:41.550 --> 02:00:49.869
in mind. This man is a blaspheming, gold-idle, worshiping, A mobster, basically.
1856
02:00:50.710 --> 02:00:55.210
And I get the appeal of everything that is happening.
1857
02:00:55.270 --> 02:00:57.840
I enjoy a lot of the things that are happening.
1858
02:00:57.909 --> 02:00:58.649
I will take it.
1859
02:00:59.260 --> 02:01:02.359
I will praise the good things that are happening. But
1860
02:01:03.260 --> 02:01:07.880
I also see what the left hand is doing. I
1861
02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:13.560
believe that what we're seeing is a sleight of hand
1862
02:01:13.659 --> 02:01:18.880
and they're going to roll out the technocratic nightmare that
1863
02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:24.079
everyone is afraid of being policed by ai i believe
1864
02:01:24.100 --> 02:01:27.359
they're getting rid of all these old systems because they're
1865
02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:32.680
going to replace intelligence with ai the intelligence agencies all
1866
02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:39.640
of our corporate big systems all the the computer systems
1867
02:01:39.739 --> 02:01:43.399
our social media everything is going to be run and
1868
02:01:43.600 --> 02:01:47.529
governed by ai that's where why they're bringing in these
1869
02:01:47.930 --> 02:01:54.239
technocratic nerd dorks, the PayPal mafia, Elon Musk. Again, I
1870
02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:57.039
hope I'm wrong, but it seems like this is where
1871
02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:01.819
everything is moving to, as well as I cannot get
1872
02:02:01.880 --> 02:02:09.729
behind these relationships with genocidal maniacs in Israel. So there's
1873
02:02:09.850 --> 02:02:12.510
many things that I look at, and I've never.
1874
02:02:14.369 --> 02:02:16.630
At least not in the past couple of decades been
1875
02:02:16.670 --> 02:02:20.609
involved in politics. I also see that there's some strange
1876
02:02:20.710 --> 02:02:24.979
occult symbolism behind Donald Trump and some of the things
1877
02:02:25.060 --> 02:02:28.300
that are occurring. I try not to get too woo-woo
1878
02:02:28.359 --> 02:02:31.560
with it, but I've had some great guests on pointing
1879
02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:38.029
out some of the synchronistic events and ritualistic things that
1880
02:02:38.189 --> 02:02:43.170
have unfolded surrounding the administration. But I'm going to sit
1881
02:02:43.229 --> 02:02:45.659
back and see how everything goes. I'm going to take
1882
02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:49.600
the good and hope that the bad doesn't get too.
1883
02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:50.260
Bad, I guess.
1884
02:02:52.119 --> 02:02:54.470
Yeah, I, I agree. I'm kind of looking at it
1885
02:02:54.510 --> 02:02:55.270
from that angle.
1886
02:02:55.529 --> 02:02:58.949
I'm, I'm not like a hundred percent dialed in that
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Donnie T is some kind of savior or anything like that. Like,
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Just the fact that he is aligning himself pretty heavily
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with Russia and with Israel, and maybe it's strategic. Maybe
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he's doing it for a good way. It remains to
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be seen. But whenever you got certain sects in Israel
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that are literally making him to be like this Messiah character,
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and then he goes.
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And he goes, I am the chosen one.
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And I'm like, I don't know about that. Like, what
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are we talking about bringing on the Eschaton? And this
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is what I've, I've kind of been speculating here for
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a little while that, you know, these, if you have
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the blueprint about how life is supposed to unfold and
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the series of events that need to happen in order
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to bring on the, uh, the Satan or to walk
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over here on earth, you.
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Know, whatever, the little season. Yeah, exactly.
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The, to bring about the antichrist, you would follow through,
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like you would follow through the game plan and use
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it in some kind of way in an Eschaton type
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of situation. If you're trying to have absolute control. So
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if they were to usher in Donald Trump, um, and
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think about it, he's doing all these amazing things. Everybody
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can kind of get on board. Even if you're anti-Trump,
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you can look at some of the things and be like, Well,
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I think that that should be gotten rid of.
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Right.
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And like you're not going to 100 percent disagree with
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every single thing that one person does. Like that's just
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statistically wrong. It's never going to happen. It's it's possible
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that we could be witnessing their version of trying to
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bring about the end times.
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I think that they're going to be wrong.
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I don't think that just because you build a third
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temple and you murder a bunch of red heifers and
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then you bring on possibly Donald Trump as the messiah
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who actually is the antichrist who's going to bring about
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the end of the world and all the end times.
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I think it's all just some form of control, and
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if you dive into.
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Believing this, then– could that not be the newest way.
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To hypnotize the masses since they already lost so much
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control with their hypnosis? They had to almost amp up
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their game. And so this master plan could be that.
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This could be another way of roping everybody back into
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believing that you're under the control system. And I just,
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especially after going through the void and certain psychedelic experiences,
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I don't think that time will ever cease to exist.
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I don't think that that life will ever cease to exist.
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I think that it is eternal.
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There is no way of, of deleting it because I
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witnessed deleting it and it came back. I'm here. And I,
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you know, I was in that abyss.
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I was in that void and I'm back. And I
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can tell you a little bit about how dark and
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gloomy it is and everything in there. But I will
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tell you that ever since that happened, I'm not scared
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of shit anymore, dude. Like there's nothing that can scare
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me more than myself at this point.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, all right, you're going to, you're going to perform
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all these sacrifices. You're going to bring on the antichrist.
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Oh, antichrist. All right, here we go. You know, it's
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like you, you have to believe it. They need your belief.
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And if your, if your belief, that energetic belief that
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you're applying to whatever narrative that, that they're trying to, uh,
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bring into this reality, if that energetic belief is attached
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to fear and that is ultimately their form of manifestation.
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It is fear like in, in it's dark and it's,
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you know, it's, it's everything is a vibration and a frequency,
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you know, like in, in, so if you're having something
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that is fueled by fear, well, you can always just
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transmutate that. Like that's talked about within, within witchcraft and
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magic and all these things talk about transmutation that you can,
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essentially take a feeling of whatever it is. Let's say, um,
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for example, I'm definitely afraid of snakes, right? Like I
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hate the fucking things. They, they, they give me the
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heebie jeebies. They scare the shit out of me. I
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want nothing to do with that. If I was to
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somehow go internal and, uh, speculate from the inside and
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go into a meditation or however you get there, And
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I was to basically redefine what a snake means to me.
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That would be called transmutation.
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And so they say that you're never going to be
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able to change the world until you change yourself. That's
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exactly how you change the world is by changing yourself
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because your perspective is this reality, right? So whenever people
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start talking about base reality, I'm like, there can't be
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a base reality. It's not possible. Like literally our eyes
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are decoding this, this whole entire realm. Like what we
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see is actually not what it is it's just our
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eyes are these sensors that are building this place up
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in the in the first place so i think it's
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it's very deep this is why you're going to have
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certain secret societies and certain.
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Covens and you know what i mean like It's there's
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a lot.
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It's it's almost too much for one person to be
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able to completely grasp. But looking at it from the
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outside view, I think, you know, don't don't believe in it.
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Don't don't allow yourself to become fear ridden. And, uh,
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this reality can be pretty awesome. And then you can
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start to manifest and do all these amazing things.
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Like I, I believe in all of that.
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Like I've learned that this life is a lot more
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malleable than we've always been led on.
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To believe that it's not so stiff.
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It's, and I don't know, maybe it's, I don't think
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that we're ever going to get like Matilda powers.
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That would be awesome.
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But you know, I think that there, the manifestation is
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absolutely real and it involves you going inward.
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And that's where reality is.
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It's inward. It's just, this is the outward projection of it.
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But the real reality is within you.
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100%, man.
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I think that is the direction that we need to
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be looking when it comes to understanding the nature of
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this reality, looking within. And the inner work that one
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individual does can change the entire planet, like you said. So,
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I love this stuff. This was great. Thank you so much, Jonathan.
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Before we go, remind everyone how they can find all
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your content, all your shows. You're a hardworking man.
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What you got going on?
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Well, most people may know me as a co-host on
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the Cult of Conspiracy podcast. We literally do five shows
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a week, and we also have A bunch of other
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conspiracy podcasters that come on. We're trying to create this
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network over there. And so we have the Cosmic Peach,
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Josh Monday, Strange Brew, along with Jacob's side project, which
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is called the Cajun Knight. My other podcast, which is
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called Meta Mysteries, and it's basically trying to just be
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a channel. you know, whenever you go on to ESPN,
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you're not always only watching, you know, NFL countdown. Like
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they have a bunch of other things. They have sports
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center and first take and all these other things. And
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that's kind of what we're trying to turn this whole
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thing into basically a channel. And so, yeah, definitely come
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check us out at the cult of conspiracy podcast. That
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is available on podcast platforms everywhere. My Meta Mysteries, we
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just built a YouTube channel for it. And so anybody
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that wants to be able to support us over there,
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you'll be able to go to Meta Mysteries on or
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it's youtube.com slash Meta Mysteries, I think is what it is.
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And we also have a Patreon. I have a Patreon
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for Meta Mysteries and for the Cult of Conspiracy. And
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over there, if you sign up for either one of those,
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you'll be able to join us on our live shows.
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So for the Cult of Conspiracy, we go live every
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Tuesday night at 9 p.m.
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Central where anybody can join in on the conversation.
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If you've got a story to tell or you want
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to just be there and kind of just be in
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the presence of all the conspiracy theorists, that's a good
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place to go. Wednesday night we have what we call
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Wonder Whiz Days. So it's basically just another live show
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where a bunch of people, open-minded, talking about magic and
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metaphysics and witchcraft and certain spiritual philosophies.
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We go all over the place with it.
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Yeah, and those are the best places to be able
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to find us outside of Instagram and TikTok. You'll be
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able to find both Meta Mysteries and The Cult of
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Conspiracy on Instagram and TikTok as well. Just search up
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Cult of Conspiracy Podcasts. On Instagram and TikTok and at
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Meta Mysteries on Instagram and TikTok.
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I love it, man.
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Keep bringing the heat. Thank you so much. And we'll
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definitely be doing this again. I think I'll be doing
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another swap with you here in a few weeks. So
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looking forward to that. And until next time, everyone, have
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a wonderful evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. Watch Doors of
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