FKN Classics Double Feature! Steven Snider - Order of 9 Angles | Brandon Thomas & Dave Zed - 🤯

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Snyder.
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He is an author and longtime curator of Devise Up website,
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which is dedicated to parapolitics and high weirdness in all
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their many forms. With Frank Zero of Zero Night, he
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co hosts The Farm, a weekly podcast dedicated to parapolitics
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and synchronisticism. Steven, welcome back.
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How you doing not too bad?
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Sir, It's great to have you back on. It's been
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a little while. Today we're going to take an extremely
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deep dive into the possible connections between the Annunciation shooter
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and an online death cult that may be inducing demonic possession.
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The implications are incredible and may even involve very high
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level individuals and groups. So much to get to both
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before we do. It's been a while. Remind the audience
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a little bit about yourself and let them know how
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they can find out more about you.
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Well. I am the longtime curator of the Vised blog,
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which I don't really do much with anymore, but you
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can still find wealth of material, probably several books worth there.
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I'm also the host of The Farm podcast, which typically
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has a new episode out every Monday and is available
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on all the major platforms, Apple, Spotify, and so forth. Also,
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I do the farm Patreon with the additional episodes State
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of the Union addresses that recount a lot of current
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events and so forth. And I'm also the author of
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multiple books. The most recent one was Weird Tales, which
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dealt with a lot of recent events that have unfolded
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in twenty twenty five, starting with the Zizion the whole
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affair around that, and also a lot of the geop
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political implications of the kind of current shake up that's
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ongoing amongst the ruling elites, which seems to have worked
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its way out. I suppose you basically now have Peter
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TiO and a lot of these other people from the
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PayPal mafia on the driver's seats. But that is I suppose,
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only tangently related to the whole thing with the school shooters,
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though maybe not quite as separate as it we would
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initially seem so. The most recent event we had was
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the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting, which happened on August twenty seventh,
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twenty twenty five. And one of the interesting things about
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this is that it happened near Minneapolis, Minnesota. I believe
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the specific area was Winden, if I recall correctly. But
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for those of you listening to this, you probably still
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recall this because it's relatively fresh in everybody's mind. But
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you had had the state represents native that was assassinated
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in Minneapolis in June fourteenth, twenty twenty five, Melissa Horkman,
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who was also killed along with her husband at their
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home at the time, and then earlier in the day
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there had been an attempted assassination of State Senator John
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Hoffman as well, along with his wife, and in both
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cases the shooter was Vance Bolter, who left a very interesting,
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let's just say, orgy of evidence following the shootings. Specifically,
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I'm thinking of the No Kings flyers that were left
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in his car. Of course, this was sort of unfolding
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at the time, and you had the No King's protest
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breaking out, you had the one in Utah over the
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same weekend that had a shooting, a current one of
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the rallies in Salt Lake City, so there were a
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lot of interesting developments unfolding during that whole time frame.
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So Bolter was trying to make it seem like he
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was affiliated with No Kings and with some kind of
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radical leftist even though he had only really targeted Democrats,
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and the only evidence for this, I believe was a
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bipartisan commission the Tim Waltz, the governor, had appointed him
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to several years ago. There's no doubt though, that Bolter
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was involved with a very militant Christian network centered around dominionism. Specifically,
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he had ties to the Kansas City Prophets and the
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New Apostolic Reformation movement. Bizarrely, one of his mentors, I believe,
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the person he had credited with his conversion, had murdered
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in South Africa back in the nineteen or excuse me,
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Zimbabwe back in the late nineteen eighties. So there were
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just a lot of very strange things about Bolter. So
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that shooting occurred on June fourteen, so about two or
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so months. A little over two months later, you have
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the whole incident at the Catholic Church with Robin Westman.
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There were approximately one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. My
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understanding is like what happened is the there was a
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school wide mass that had been called at about eight
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point fifteen. Robin Westman had barricaded the exits to the
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church building, and at about eight thirty she had opened
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fired at the students in there. About twenty were wounded,
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with two being killed. They were eight and ten years old.
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I believe I've mentioned it, but there were roughly one
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hundred and sixteen rounds fired. I believe one of the
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guns had jammed on Westman, who had ultimately committed suicide
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after the initial volley of bullets. I believe the shooting
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lasted approximately about two minutes. One thing I will point
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out about this, not to diminish the tragedy, but Westman
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seems to have been an awful shot one hundred and
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sixteen rounds at targets and a confined space like that
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and only killing two. Again, I mean, I'm thankful that
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she only killed two. Don't misunderstand me, But let's just
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say like somebody who had been through special operations training
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or had been trained by an actual operator would probably
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kill a lot more people in a confined space like
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that with one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. So there
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was at least that that. Westman seems to have not
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been an especially good shot. So there's already been a
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tremendous amount of speculation about Westman, their motives for all
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of this, you've seen the whole sort of gauntlet being
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rolled out there. Of course, predictively, you've seen a lot
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of people try to talk about psychotropic drugs, and of
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amusingly enough, apparently Robert Kennedy Junior has vowed to open
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an investigation into that probably should indicate how serious one
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of this was. Westman apparently had gone through a breakup
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shortly before the shooting, was living at some sort of
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unspecified person's house. But again, I mean, you know how
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much romantic things would have involved with this as debatable?
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The New York Post proposed somehow Westman working in a
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pot shop up to two weeks before the shooting was
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a factor. I couldn't actually bring my working what did
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you say that article? But I'm I'll just throw it out.
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The New York Post proposed that Westman work shop okay, okay,
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pot shop, cannabis shop, headshop up to two weeks before
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the shooting was a factor. Like I said, I couldn't
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bring myself to read that one. So yeah, but it's
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been proposed, like thanks, so the big one that's getting
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a lot of the sound bites right now was Westman
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being transgender. Apparently Westman had changed their name around twenty nineteen,
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if I remember correctly, But as recently as I had
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looked this up, and it was a few days ago,
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I didn't get a chance to check this before we
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started recording. But most recently when I looked at this,
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Westman had not started to medically transition yet, so there
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seems to be some question about that, and I could
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be mistaken. Maybe she did. I just at the time though,
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when I was doing research on this, there was a
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question of whether or not they had actually begun the
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process of physically transitioning or not. For me, what was
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really intriguing about it were some of the allegations that
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possession had been involved in the shooting, and of course,
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I mean there was sort of the low hanging fruits
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around this. Westman had decided to shoot up a Catholic
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school with school children in it, And there was also
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the bizarre drawing that Westman had done of herself, essentially
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depicting herself staring in a mirror with a rifle slung
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over her shoulder and this sort of demonic figure staring
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back at her, which was really quite peculiar. But just
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looking beyond that, if you go, for instance, and look
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at the video that she had posted on YouTube, I
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believe it was the evening before the shooting was to occur,
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but it was really quite disturbing on so many levels.
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But they're definitely least seems to be just something very
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very off about the person, the way that they're talking
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about everything in this video, and it sort of reminds me, honestly,
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in conversations that I've had with mentally ill people in DC,
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for instance, who I honestly had to wonder in those
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cases if they were maybe there was a little something
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up with them as well. But the point being this,
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the whole behavior and thinking about Westman is just very
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very peculiar, and the video is just extremely unsettling on
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so many levels.
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Let's talk a little bit about the other things that
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were brought up in conspiratorial circles, like the dad being
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involved with the CIA.
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I mean, I know he went to Wisconsin University of
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Wisconsin Madison, which does have a lot of very strange
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connections to it, But beyond that, I wasn't really seeing
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like anything. Again, I haven't looked at that for a
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couple of days, but I can't recall anything that had
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directly jumped out to me that he would have been
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involved specifically in the CIA. I feel like, I mean,
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when stuff like this happens, you know, people are so
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obsessed with like trying to draw some sort of like
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direct links to like an intelligent service, and I just
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I feel like people aren't really getting that, like it's
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you know, it's moved beyond that. I mean the days
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of like the sort of classic laudio set up where
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you had like case officers and operators that were managing
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assets in the field and you know, I mean mk
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ultra art show of type techniques that were done to
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them to maybe make them a little bit more vigorous
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in pursuing their ends. I mean, you know, it's not
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to say that this kind of stuff doesn't happen now,
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but with the way that technology has advanced, I mean,
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the intelligence services really really do not need to directly
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try to manage these people the way that they did
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years ago. And I mean, for me looking into this,
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that was what I really gravitated towards specifically was the
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cult that Westman seems to have become involved with online,
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in which I mean, a lot of people don't seem
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to have really talked a lot about but that is
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the I guess, for lack for lack of a better term,
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it's referred to as Saints' culture. Again, that's not my phrase,
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this is what some academics have come up with. So
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like roughly speaking, it kind of started to develop around
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twenty fifteen after Dylan Roof's shooting spree, and it was
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really pushed by an online group that was known as
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the Bull Patrol and they were so named because of
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Roofe's distinct bull cut haircut, and it led to just
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an absolute revere rents for him to the point that
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he was essentially turned into a saint. So you had
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first a podcast that was started called The Bowl Podcast
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by an individual and using the pseudonym Vic Mackie, which
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was the Oh gosh, that was the name of the
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cop and the Shield if I remember correctly, the corrupt one.
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He was later outed in twenty twenty, but I can't
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remember the guy's name now off the top of my head.
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But anyway, under the pseudonym Vic Mackie, this podcast started
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going dedicated to a lot of the reference around Dylan
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rufe It spread to a lot of discord and telegram
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groups and so forth, and gradually you started seeing more
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people that were brought into the Pantheon of Saints. I
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think one of the first ones was Robert Bauer's after Roof,
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that is to say, who allegedly killed eleven people inside
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the Tree of Life Synagogue and Pittsburgh. I think this
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would have been twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. But the
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thing about this that was interesting is that Mackie claimed
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that Bowers had followed him on GAB and that the
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two had interacted in direct messages and so forth. Though
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I want to emphasize I don't know that it has
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ever been confirmed, but nonetheless he did claim that he
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had had contacts with Bowers before the shooting. So Bowers
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goes into the pantheon, and you've got some more people
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that are brought into it. One of them is Britain Toront,
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the christ Church, New Zealand shooter who killed fifty one
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people to mosque in March twenty nineteen. And again, if
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you watch Westman's videos, there are a ton of references
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to Toront, and you see the number fifty one written
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on several of his weapons. And so forth. So he
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was definitely a fan of what he did at christ Church.
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So after that, the Buld Patrol added John Ernest, who
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killed one person at a synagogue in San Diego County
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October twenty nineteen. And then there was Patrick Crusius, I believe,
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who killed twenty two people inside an olpasso in walmart
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in February twenty twenty. So it's interesting that you've got
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a lot of these spree killers at this point in time.
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These were mostly affiliated with rather openly far right causes.
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In a lot of cases, such as the christ Church shooter,
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they're trying to kill Muslims and so forth. But one
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thing that I do find interesting about a lot of
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the deaths that are linked to the Saint's culture is
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that they do occur in a lot of places of worship.
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You've obviously had with the Annunciation shooting a Catholic church.
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I just talked about the christ Church one, which was
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at a mosque. There have been several synagogues that have
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been tarked as well. In the case of what was
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his name, Wave Michael Page, the Wisconsin shooter, oh I
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think it was twenty twelve, he actually shot up a
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seakh Temple in Wisconsin, so he was also put in
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the pantheon. But it's very interesting that so many of
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these shootings did occur in places of worship, and that
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a lot of cases they did target children as well.
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So this is another reason why I think the Bull
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Patrol and the whole Saints culture was a very strong
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influence on Westman. And I'll get to some more concrete
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links here in a second. But after Mackie was outed
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around twenty twenty, the Bulk Patrol started kind of going
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into decline, but the Saints culture had really started to
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proliferate on a lot of telegram channels, and specifically they
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were the ones that were part of the so called
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Terragram collective, and that's a group of content creators dedicated
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to perpetuating accelerationist violence. This was managed through a combination
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of images and manuals, which the Saints culture was a
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crucial component of in terms of making people idolized as
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a lot of these murderers and so forth. So a
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lot of these killer Saints, I mean basically they're set
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up as like role models to be worshiped and emulated
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by the people that were a part of these circles,
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and each individual triggered by the saints had the possibility
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of achieving sainthood fromselves following the killing. So it's kind
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of curious how they did that in the sense that
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it almost becomes a sort of self replicating of death cult,
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if you will. So it's really starting to take off
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around this time. And some more background on Terragram Again,
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this is a network that's also had links to groups
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like the Seven sixty four, to the Order of Nine
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Angles and so forth, So there's a lot of very
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militant accelerationists that are tied up with the whole Tragram MILU.
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So anyway, also on teogram, like the whole criteria for
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a saint started to expand and eventually, by I believe
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we're in the into twenty twenty, they had a list
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of approximately fifty of these saints. So you've got some
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predictable people that were brought into Andrew Bravic, for instance,
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was brought into the list along with unibomber Ted Gazinsky,
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cult leader, Jim Jones, Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVay, Martin
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Luther King assassin James are Ray, sovereign citizen Teris Gordon
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call Fred W. Cohen was on it. Who's an interesting one.
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He was the Valentine Day shooter that had been linked
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to the son of Sam Coult. Braveck, of course, was
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plastered all over some of Westman's weapons. Big influence clearly
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was also a shout out to Ted Kay on one
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of the weapons as well, the ambiguous Ted Gazinsky that
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everybody absolutely loves in these groups. So the whole concept
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of the sainthood really started to crystallize the following year
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in twenty twenty one, and that was also, I believe,
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when there was a whole Telligrint Helgram channel, there was
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launch dedicated to them. And one of the strangest things
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that came out of this with these so called Saints cards,
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which were almost like these digital baseball cards that were
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being spread around and you don't I'm just going to
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quote here from an article of the lineage of violence,
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Saints Culture, and militant accelerationism by Jonathan Lewis, Joshua Molly,
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and Grandma Macklin, because the whole thing with these Saints
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cards is just really bizarre, and I thought they did
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a great way of encompassing it. So it goes quote.
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These channels published monthly calendars celebrating the dates of bar
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right attacks and marked other milestones, including the arrests, deaths,
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and even birthdays of perpetrators. Propagandas also produced backsheet graphics
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that broke down the details of each attack and easily
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readable paragraphs alongside the death toll and the number of wounded,
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attack method and status of each killer, alongside a montage
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of their photos, pictures of their weapons and crime scenes.
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The graphics, which resemble collectible trading cards they just said,
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are known as Saints cards. The highly networked nature of
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the telegram facility Saints commemoration across telegram as. Saint cards
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are forwarded throughout the network when the anniversary of attacks.
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Each card includes a reading section that directs users to manifestos,
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articles or documentaries so followers can educate themselves about each
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attacker and their crimes. The reappearance of links to additional
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crime scene photos or websites like murder Pedia highlights how
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telegram graphs and macabre fascination with violence and death too
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broadcasting a ruling curriculum. The calendar style promotion of Saints
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further ritualizes the glorification, which aims to inspire further attacks
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with a steady stream of examples of saints with high
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scores to be beaten. In addition, some means of channels
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have encouraged members to celebrate the anniversary of attacks by editing, sharing,
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visual propagandic gloring fight in the attacks, illustrating interaction between
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important dates and the preparatory media culture of telegram, as
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highlighted by Winkler et cetera all in the databased analysis
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of extremist groups for genets, Symbolically significant dates can strengthen
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the collective identity of groups and provide important cues for
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audience members to reinforce poliefs and model their behaviors on
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the saints counter marks date. It's important for telegram identity
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formation inspires continued content creation and promotion of future violence.
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So you basically have this whole pantheon developed. You've got
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like these glorified baseball cards celebrating the Catholic Saints. They've
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real I don't know, that would be something really interesting
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to look into. There were some other indications, but yes,
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it would be really really interesting to know if he
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had any of these Saints cards.
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But he was involved with the online groups.
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Well, on one of his rifles he had bullpilled written
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on it. I've got the screencap for that, So I
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don't know what else he would necessarily be referring to
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when he's got the names of all of the other
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Saints right spread across his weapons. I mean, that's like
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kind of the thing about this is I mean it's
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almost like he's ritualizing his weapons with like siduals and
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ruins or something like that, like the Norse would have
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put on their swords or something for these attacks. And
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it's all with these Saints' names. That is so crazy. So,
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I mean, this is really some serious stuff that's been
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put up. So all right, So the first killer who
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was actually directly linked to Saints culture that we know
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for sure was Jaya Krayzek I believe, who was a
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Slovakian extreme ritist so in twenty twenty two killed two
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people and injured a third one outside of gbtwo LGBTQ
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plus bar and Bratsflafia I believe. In October twelfth, twenty
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twenty two, Crichech actually directly thank a Terogram channel and
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kind for it and hailed the Saints and so forth. Finally,
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you had in twenty twenty four Turkey's teenager Artic Kay,
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who also stabbed five people and live streamed it on
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Terogram and also was hoping to be brought into the Saints,
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but they denied him because he wasn't white. However, there
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was an expansion of further expansion of Saints culture, and
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that happened when it started to integrate with the true
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crime community, which I find to be fascinating. If you've
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ever seen that old show from the nineties millennium, it
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deals a lot with actually demonic possession. There's like this
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one scene where a group of demons are sitting around
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having coffee and they're like discussing the different ways that
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people can like damn themselves, and one person brings up
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true crime. Y' all kind of like laugh knowingly at that.
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So yeah, true crime. That's a lot of interesting stuff
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comes out of that. So you already had like a
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lot of this veneration in true crime especially I mean
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for a lot of like the school shooters and so forth.
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But one Saints coach for God and this you started
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having an end up lands that John Holmes, the James Holmes,
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the Columbine shooters, Charles Whipman and Robert Kremo the Third
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were all sort of brought into the pantheon, and cream
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O definitely would have had a big influence on Westman.
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And I say that because of the heavy use of
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the Cross of Endlessness that Westman had on her weapons.
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The Cross of Endlessness is actually a relatively new symbol,
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but it was appropriated by Cremo when he made just
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this bizarre video flashing the Cross of Endlessness before the
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shooting spree he personally engaged in. So it seems like
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because of crem O, the Cross of Endlessness I mean,
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has almost become a sort of charged siedual if you will,
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within these circles. So again, it's really really interesting that
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Westman had all of this stuff scrawled over his weapons.
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Another thing too, sort of like returning to that strange
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picture that he had drawn of herself staring at the
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mirror with the demon staring back at her. See. I
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mean that obviously kind of brings to mind scrying initially,
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but it actually made me think somewhat of the process
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of reality shifting, which really became popular among a lot
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of zoomers, especially during the lockdowns. And so forth, and
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Westman would have definitely been in the same age frame
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for that, but within like reality shifting, they had this
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whole thing called like the mirror method, which became a
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popular technique for shifting reality. So you basically stand in
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the dark room with a mirror and some other light
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source between you. Normally it would be like a candle
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or something, stare at the mirror and image it, you know,
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and imagine yourself in another reality, and essentially would keep
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staring until hallucinations start to reflect back. It's kind of
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like an induced form of hypnosis, if you will. So
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this is kind of like what makes me wonder with
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like Westman. I mean, he's in this situation where he's
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being told to closely identify with all of these saints
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and so forth. Does she eventually, uh try to essentially
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open herself up to possession from that would be I
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think one way you could potentially infer the drawings of
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the mirror and perhaps what actually stared back at her
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if she did attempt something like this.
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That's so interesting.
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I had a guest recently that's been looking into the
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possibility of an epidemic of younger people that are involved
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with black magic are some sort of occult rituals because
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of groups that they're involved with online and things that
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they've seen online which seems to be related to this.
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Well, I don't, I mean, it's not specifically black magic,
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I would say. I mean, rather, what happens with a
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lot of these like kind of subcultures, like reality shifting
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and stuff is it's like they're introduced to a lot
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of these techniques that are rooted in magic, but it's
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not like understood as such, And a lot of times
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I mean that even try to like frame some of
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this stuff around, like psychological terminology and things like that,
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but it kind of goes back. Now a lot of
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these techniques have been masked and so forth. So like
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the basic process of how Renaissance magicians would have understood
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possession would be very similar to how we would think
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of memes, essentially manifesting, if you will. So, Giordano Bruno
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had advocated that you use the whole process of fantasy,
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which would be spelled pha n tasy. So in order
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to do this, for the magician to take a hold
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of the audience, first you need the actual audience to
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be true believers. That's an important thing. Belief is crucial
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to the whole process. The magician and his audience need
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to have some inclination to believe what the magician is doing.
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So next the magician would craft fantasy or a phantasm
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excuse me, which would be an image which would then
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enter into the target's fantasesia, which would be the imagination. Okay, again,
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this is essentially the same way that like a meme
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would work when you get it into somebody's imagination i
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bypassing their conscious mind and into their subconscious and there
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it passes into a full blown fantasy within their psyche.
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And this is what Bruno dubbed to be the chain
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of chains. You get the right image in there that
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triggers the right associations in somebody's mind and can have
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profound effects to them. So over the years, this sort
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of process was tied in with the whole art of
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theorgy and so forth, which has to do with the
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notion of drawing down or as sending your consciousness to
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the heavenly spheres, or drawing down a planetary consciousness, gods,
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things like that, into either yourself or possession or objects.
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I mean, you kind of have the whole notion of
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like it talking statues in Egypt, for instance, that would
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be sort of a branch of theurgy. But essentially it
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was sort of combined with Bruno's notion of like images.
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You got that from the art of memory, and then
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he combined it with concepts of theorgy, and it read
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to this notion that certain images, signals, symbols, things like
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that could essentially trigger a kind of collective unconscious and
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the person who was viewing them like something other can
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enter into their imagination and take hold, if you will.
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So these techniques eventually spread to the arts. Started with symbolism.
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The original symbolist movement that grew up in France in
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the late nineteenth century pretty much came entirely out of
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the Russia Crucian circles. There the capitalistic order of the
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Rose Cross. The big guy behind that body was Josephine Paladdin.
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Paladin had a real specific purpose as far as art went.
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He wanted to destroy realism and art, so he started
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promoting a lot of these avant garde movements like the symbolists,
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and the whole purpose was essentially to create a sort
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of art that would arrest somebody subconscious. Largely bypassing their
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conscious mind and influenced them in that fashion. And symbolism
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was basically the basis for surrealism, for dataism, for a
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lot of the big avant garde movements that grew up
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in the early twentieth century, and the symbolists and the
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00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:27.039
surrealists developed a lot of really elaborate techniques for manipulating audiences.
477
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And it wasn't just applied to painting and things like that.
478
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They started to apply a lot of this stuff to lays,
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to a lot of things like that. And they also
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sort of hit on like an early concept of memes,
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so they really understood the you know, the importance of repetition,
482
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how you could make words almost incantational through that process,
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the use of certain colors to trigger associations, sounds, things
484
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.119
like that. So all of this stuff became codified as
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sort of artistic techniques by the surrealists, and eventually a
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lot of the great directors, for instance, adopted them. And
487
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if you're really doubting, like what I'm saying that these
488
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:16.000
techniques could really ravage somebody's you know, subconscious, you need
489
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to look no further than the whole cult that has
490
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.920
grown up around Stanley Kubrick to see just how effective
491
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these techniques are. Stanley Kubrick was the greatest director in
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00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.720
the history of cinema as far as feature length films
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is concerned. He was a complete master of the medium,
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and that is because he understood all of these techniques implicitly.
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A lot of the stuff in kubric movies that should
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theoretically make them unwatchable was taken directly from symbolists and
497
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surrealist techniques. So one of the things I would point
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to would be the atrocious characters in Cubert's movies. There's
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no attempt at realism for the characters in his films.
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They're marionettes, their caricatures, and that was completely a technique
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00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.640
of the simplests. The characters aren't supposed to be fully realized.
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There's supposed to be something that the audience can project
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their own concerns onto. The deliberate pacing of Hubert's movies,
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that's something else that was taking symbolism. It's done to
505
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break the audience's conception of time as the film is unfolding. Also,
506
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just the repeated or the use of repetition that Cubrit
507
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.960
was so fond of. I mean you can really see
508
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that heavily used in like Eyes Wide Shut. For example,
509
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.000
Tom Cruise just constantly repeats lines that somebody else had
510
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.480
just said to him throughout all of this. You know,
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00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.920
all these techniques individually aren't like a big deal, but
512
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when you combined all of them together, it really really
513
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.559
warps somebody's perceptions when they're watching a Cubert film in
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terms of the time that's going on, different associations that
515
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.799
can come all come out of watching one. And I
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00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.880
mean when he's really at his best with like the Shining,
517
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I mean, you can just see this, you know. The
518
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.519
Shining is almost like a reflective surface. You can see
519
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.519
almost anything your subconscious brings into that film reflected back
520
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.360
to you. I mean, one time, like I went in
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00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.360
watching it thinking that it was like a metaphor for
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the murder of Frank Lloyd Writ's mistress Italiesen in nineteen fourteen,
523
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.639
and sure enough I was seeing constant allusions to this
524
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.840
every scene in The Shining. But you can do the
525
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.480
same thing for the genocide of Indigenous people, for child abuse,
526
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.760
for hubric bounding the Space Program. I mean, you can
527
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.880
pretty much apply almost any interpretation.
528
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.440
A couple of my Buddy's just made a movie. It's
529
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about it being about MK ultra.
530
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it can
531
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.079
be basically about anything. I mean, some of his movies
532
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.760
were more specific. But that's where I think The Shining
533
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.920
is such an amazing piece of art in and of
534
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.239
itself because it has this uncanny ability of reflecting the
535
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:11.039
viewer subconscious back to them. So Hubert could basically build
536
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:16.239
a cult using these techniques, and probably not even intentionally
537
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.599
as far as and again, I mean, if you don't
538
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.239
think that this is a cult, just look at the
539
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.360
proliferation of YouTube videos of everything online analyzing just the
540
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.119
most minute details of Stanley Kubrick's films. So this is
541
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.599
what Kubrick's movies have done to a whole generation of people.
542
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:39.920
So imagine if you're taking these techniques and you're weaponizing
543
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them with the specific intention of creating a cult of
544
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.159
inducing possession and mental collapse in people. Because in my estimation,
545
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.519
that is very much possible if somebody is a total
546
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.840
mastery of their arts, the way a guy like Kubrick
547
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would be.
548
00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:02.440
You earlier, you were talking about how mind control programs,
549
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:10.000
these assassin creation experimentation, they aren't as hands on as
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00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.280
they used to be. That people can now be basically
551
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:19.119
remotely triggered in a sense, possibly by the combination of
552
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:26.639
these drugs, certain influences online. Would you say that's pretty accurate, Well.
553
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.800
I'd say it's more the influences online. I mean, you know, again,
554
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.960
I don't totally discount as something like psychotropic drugs could
555
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.639
factor in. But again, when you consider how many people
556
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.880
in the United States or on psychotropic thugs in relation
557
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.119
to those that become shooters, I mean, I guess it
558
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.679
becomes a little bit more problematic. But like I mean,
559
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.480
getting into like sort of what I see happening with
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00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.599
sort of the manifestation of Glaudio in like the twenty
561
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.800
first century, I think you would have to look at
562
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something like the order of nine angles. So there's been
563
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.400
a lot of disputes whether the nine to A was
564
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.960
a part of Gladio from back in the day. That
565
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.599
sort of factors around the figure of David Mayat, who,
566
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.800
depending upon like I mean, who you read, was either
567
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.480
the founder or the guy who codified the ideology whatever.
568
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.159
But he was involved with Combat eighteen starting in the
569
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.000
nineteen seventies, which was a militant parami group in the UK,
570
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.320
and I believe that it's spread to other parts of
571
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Europe as well. But there's been a lot of speculation
572
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.480
over the years that Combat eighteen was a part of
573
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.880
the UK's Gladio network, and again that would be fairly
574
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:46.880
consistent with what has come out about Glaudio in Italy
575
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.800
and some of the other countries where there have been
576
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:53.719
serious investigations, namely that they often had right wing groups,
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00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.639
paramilitaries that were being used by intelligence services and special
578
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:04.280
operations forces a variety of activities, often at times involving
579
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.480
terrorism to sort of fulfill the so called strategy of tension,
580
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:14.400
if you will. So Maya had those potential connections, and
581
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then later you've got the Temple of Blood guys Sutter.
582
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.000
I can't remember his first name now at the top
583
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.280
of my head, but there's been a pretty conclusive amount
584
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.559
of evidence that's come out that this guy, for instance,
585
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.920
was an FBI in format and it has been active
586
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.679
in the community since I guess at least around the
587
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.239
early knots or something like that. So when you sort
588
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.960
of step back and look at some of the broader
589
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.440
structure of the nine to A, you can see some
590
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.639
of these connections. But the brilliance of the Order of
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Nine Angles is that it sort of exists more like
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a spiritual order. And what I mean by that is
593
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.039
how the original Rashakrucian fervor sort of played out, because
594
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.280
there wasn't an actual rasha Krusian group when the manifestos
595
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.800
appeared in the early seventeenth century. Of course, later there
596
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.079
were all these attempts to create actual Rashakrusion orders. I
597
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.320
just mentioned one before, the Capitalistic Order, the Rose Cross,
598
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.159
and a lot of these brought all of this, you know,
599
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.800
kind of Masonic grade, and you know they had physical
600
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.960
lodges and all this other stuff. But that really missed
601
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.639
the point. Being a Rashakrusian is a lot like being
602
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.760
like a Discordian or Oran, right. It's it's a way
603
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.639
of life. It's how you present yourself, how you go
604
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.239
about things. It's adopting a certain morality and trying to
605
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.400
live your life according to those principles and so forth.
606
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.159
I mean, this is why, like you know, Jacques Vallet,
607
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.039
as Christopher Knowles has told me, has proclaimed himself a
608
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.599
Rashcha Krusian. You know, you don't go out and join
609
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.639
a lodge or something. You just got to live like
610
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.679
a Rasha Krusian. So that was the sort of the
611
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:00.079
whole purpose of the Rashakrusian manifestos. Originally, they wanted to
612
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.079
create a spiritual order of people who were living according
613
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.519
to Rashia Krucian principles. They didn't want a bunch of
614
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.000
old white guys just getting together with like masks and
615
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.000
stuff and sitting around and trying to go up with
616
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.800
raids and this other shit. And that was essentially the
617
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.239
whole view that the Nine A was taking in terms
618
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.320
of being a spiritual order. So you put out these
619
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.320
rituals online, and this is another parallel to the Order
620
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.920
of Nine Angles has with Russia Crucianism. Big part of
621
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.000
why Rashia Crucianism was successful and spread so much is
622
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.360
because of the invention of the printing press very cheap
623
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.880
now to manufacture the manifestos, they could be widely spread.
624
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.920
Nine A's in the same boat. They were right there
625
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.920
at the onset of the internet when they started to
626
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.159
take off in the late eighties early nineties. They were
627
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.280
able to get a lot of this literature online and
628
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:55.360
it is spread all over the place, and it has metamorphosized.
629
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.639
It's evoalved. You see it turning up in a lot
630
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.599
of sectors where you wouldn't expected. I mean, one of
631
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.239
the things I was really intrigued by when I was
632
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.760
looking into the Zizians, for example, was that ziz was
633
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.280
actually using some nine A terminology specifically references to a
634
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.000
casualty and things like that a casual So that's a
635
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.440
big thing in the nine A with a whole connection
636
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.840
of causality and a casualty and the different sort of
637
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.480
worlds with the nexions and all that other stuff. So
638
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.000
you can see how it'll just turn up in groups
639
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.400
like that that surely you would not think would be
640
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.559
directly receptive to something like the order of nine angles.
641
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.440
But that's kind of the brilliance of the nine A.
642
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.039
A lot of the stuff that they're coming up with,
643
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.960
it's very sophisticated, you know, give the devil is due.
644
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.960
It's easy to see why this stuff is very seductive
645
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.280
to intelligent people. This is a lot more cutting edge,
646
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:03.400
frankly than just the same tired you know, Oto Crawley,
647
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.679
Kenneth Grant stuff that's still being put around. I put
648
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.719
out there this, I mean, I think a lot along
649
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.519
with like a lot of the stuff that the cybernetic
650
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.880
cultural research units put out in the late nineties early
651
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.199
not is what's really been fueling a lot of the
652
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:23.679
digital occult developments over the last two or three decades
653
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.159
or so. Now still some influence from chaos, magic and
654
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.719
so forth, but a lot of that stuff is really declining,
655
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.719
for like the nine A and CCRU and stuff like that.
656
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.159
But when you look at like how this has worked
657
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.760
out when you've almost created this sort of mind virus
658
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.840
with the O nine A that's proliferating a lot of
659
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.480
these occult doctrines online that are very easily accessible to
660
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.320
people to where they're able. And this is kind of
661
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.000
another thing too, I'll point out with the O nine A,
662
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.599
like you don't have to do group work to be
663
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.760
in the nine A. You can actually, In fact, if
664
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.800
I'm not mistaken, I believe the whole purpose is for
665
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.079
you to initiate yourself into the nine A. Some of
666
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.840
the rituals do you require others, But to be in
667
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.400
the nine A, you just got to do the rituals
668
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.760
and live the light, you know what I'm saying, Like,
669
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.119
there's not going to be some sort of ceremony with
670
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.280
like other members and they you know, they give you
671
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.440
like a shovel or something like that. It's like, you know,
672
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719
they don't do any of this shit. So this is
673
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.800
kind of like the brilliance of this, Like you just
674
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:33.000
get somebody exposed to this material which does advocate acceleration
675
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.960
is violence. It's like you don't have to have a
676
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.360
case officer go out and groom them or something like that.
677
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.000
They'll do this shit for you by just doing these
678
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.760
occult techniques and stuff like that. You know, you need
679
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.840
somebody maybe running a telegram group kind of gently nudging
680
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.639
people in this way or that. But all this stuff
681
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.519
it's already online. You know, the kids can already find
682
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.119
this stuff. They're not aware of where it's coming from.
683
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.400
It's very seductive and frankly, I mean, I do think
684
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.280
the possession is real. As I've sort of talked about before,
685
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.679
there's really been a formula that's been known since Bruno
686
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.880
Renaissance magic, probably even before that, going back to the
687
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.880
Middle Ages and a lot of the innovations to the
688
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.880
art of memories that the Mendicants came up with. So
689
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.599
this is something that in a lot of academic circles
690
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:30.320
would have been known. So sort of the question becomes, well,
691
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.599
would the security services in the West have not looked
692
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.360
into such a technique when they were looking into a
693
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.079
lot of stuff with art at Show and MK Ultra
694
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.199
And there's certainly a considerable amount of evidence that magic
695
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:54.119
was investigated. So if hypothetically you could weaponize magic and
696
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.199
specifically something like possession and were to ask me what
697
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.000
form would this take, I think that it would take
698
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.440
exactly the form that you're seeing with the nine A.
699
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.119
It's manifested in the in a sense of just a
700
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.280
sort of spiritual war or something that exists online, something
701
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.639
that anybody can be drawn into without a lot of effort,
702
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.480
where they can access all of the materials that they need,
703
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.800
from processes of self possession to manuals for assembling firearms,
704
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.639
tactics to take out a school. I mean, it's all
705
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.800
become almost one and stop shopping and you've cut out,
706
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.440
you know, a lot of the middlemen, a lot of
707
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.800
the case officers, a lot of the actual people that
708
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:38.159
you needed on the ground. I mean, it's absolutely Macabellian.
709
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.800
Noah, did you say that there may be some kind
710
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:47.920
of connection with what is unfolding with the technocracy, Peter Thiel,
711
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.760
Pallunteer and implementation of AI.
712
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.119
Well, I mean that's where you know, I mean a
713
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lot of this stuff gets very interesting. I mean when
714
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you go back and look at the Zizians. I mean,
715
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this is an example of one of these online cults
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that's become touched by BO nine A and they're coming
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out of this whole rationalist the kind of rationalist movement,
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that kind of milkiew that was set up in the
719
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Bay Area. And again, I mean just so much of
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that has been built up by Peter Teal. I mean
721
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one of the more notorious bodies that sort of came
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up was Leverage Research, a group that had fund that
723
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had received funding FROMTIAL and this is like a group
724
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they'd actually also released a reserve the cryptocurrency too, which
725
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was bizarre. But essentially it was oh gosh, I know,
726
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there was some type of therapy specifically that they had
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for it that it was described as perpetually. Let me
728
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see if I can get the name of this year. Okay,
729
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.079
they did the whole process. Okay, connection theory, that's what
730
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it was. Connection theory. Okay. So Leverage was set up
731
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to pursue connection theory, which was sort of based on
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coherence theory and core transformation and all this other kind
733
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of stuff, but it seems a lot like large group
734
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conversion therapy, the sort of stuff that like st and
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Live Spring specialized in. And then they had also the
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whole concept of debugging, which was also really big in
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the rationalist community. And basically, you go through the whole
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issues that are essentially stopping your development, giving you instilling
739
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you with powerlessness. So you would have self debugging, and
740
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then you would have group debugging sessions, which really took
741
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on a very as like process to it. But eventually,
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as leverage I went along longer, it just became really
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really weird. And they had these whole notions of objects
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which were autonomous, and this is from their material. By
745
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the way, they were quote unquote autonomous psychological bits that
746
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could be accidentally or deliberately in another person's mind, so
747
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left unaccounted for, they could effect and even control that person,
748
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altering their perception of reality. And when you know it
749
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is time on. These objects eventually began to become associated
750
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with demons. And this was not the only instance where
751
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I saw the whole notion of demons cropping up in
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the rationalist community. I mean, there was basically a whole
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reifia of commentary on you know, how they developed these
754
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models of like subprocess implantation and stuff which bore to
755
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them a lot of similarities to Demondic possession and so forth.
756
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So again, this is you know, this is the Bay Area.
757
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These are a lot of people that are affiliated with
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Marie the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Some of them have
759
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been software engineers for Google and so forth. Leverage Research
760
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.239
was getting funding from Peter Teeala has gotten funding from
761
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Til also Jeffrey Epstein as well, which is also interesting.
762
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But you're kind of seeing like a group like this
763
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where they're developing these whole concepts of objects, which essentially
764
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is just another you know, version on Bruno's chain of chains.
765
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It's another model of how to induce possession in somebody
766
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that's really been known since the Renaissance, and you're seeing
767
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this being done by this slick tech company here. So,
768
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you know, the Zizians were not directly involved with Leverage,
769
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but they didn't know people who were on the periphery
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of Leverage. They seem to have fallen into the same
771
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sort of ideology and yeah, in this whole milieu, they
772
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also encountered the order of nine angles. I mean, I
773
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don't know that there's necessarily a concrete connection that's come
774
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out just yet, But on the flip side of the coin,
775
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when you just consider the possibility of what you could
776
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be accomplished with something like the ideology of an order
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of nine angles and something like weaponized AI, I mean,
778
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I think realistically you would have to think that something
779
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had been pursued with that. And I mean it gets
780
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even weirder when you look into some of the Ukrainian manifestations.
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Of the nine A.
782
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I mean, in that case, you do seem to have
783
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some very specific connections to the FBI as well. So yeah,
784
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I mean I think that what we're seeing here is
785
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just a really massive proliferation of the weaponization of magic
786
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that is currently unfolding.
787
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One line, So how widespread do you think.
788
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I can't prove it this actually.
789
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Is as far as infiltrating institutions things of that nature.
790
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Uh well, I mean I think the institutions at the
791
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upper levels are probably the ones that are like pushing this.
792
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I mean, I would say at this point, it's more
793
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like lower level people that are being and having a
794
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lot of the stuff fled to them who are being
795
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unaware of what the uniques are. But as far as
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it's spread, I mean, I would have to say I
797
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think that it's spread quite heavily. Again, you know, we
798
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have the official numbers of the Order of Nine Angles,
799
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but I mean, how many different manifestations of the Temple
800
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Blood are out there? How many individual practitioners are out
801
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.840
there that we have no way of really accounting for
802
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because they're not active in telegram groups or stuff like that.
803
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And then on top of that, I mean, it's not
804
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like the nine to A is the only game in
805
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the only game in town. You know, with the Saints culture,
806
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it seems like you've seen yet another death cult that's
807
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been created and spread online. I could think of like
808
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say the Blue Whale Challenge that supposedly came out of Russia.
809
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I mean, this was sort of like a proto or
810
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I couldn't since say proto, I kind of maybe postmodern
811
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alternative reality game in which essentially kids were roped into
812
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it and groomed into committing suicide and then filming it's
813
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you know, they made the movie We're All going to
814
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the World's Fair. I believe partly based on that. But
815
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you know, this stuff is just spread like everywhere, and
816
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.480
I mean so many different manifestations. It's like, you know,
817
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.920
you're talking to me earlier about black magic among kids.
818
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I mean, to some extent, I think that that's maybe true.
819
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But it's not like there's some sort of like coven
820
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or something that the youth is like all, you know,
821
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being initiated into or something like that. It's just that
822
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some forces are deliberately putting this stuff into a lot
823
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of these telegram groups, discord groups that are targeting fringe communities,
824
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vulnerable communities, people that are already probably feeling strong sense
825
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.039
of alienation and so forth, and I mean it's really
826
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.599
pushing them over the edge. I mean, this is just
827
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.920
very very dark stuff. And I mean I think that
828
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.679
we're only really scratching the surface with how you know,
829
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.360
just how dark this can really get.
830
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:04.679
You think this is organized in a hierarchical fashion, where
831
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.920
there are orders being sent down from higher levels and
832
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:15.360
that branch out to these different levels of this organization.
833
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:17.639
Within the nine A.
834
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.599
No. I mean I just think that it's you know,
835
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it's essentially it's a technology that's now loose on the Internet,
836
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.639
and if somebody like Sutter wants to come along and
837
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.079
use this technology to create a cold out of it,
838
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.559
which you can. I mean obviously it's very good at that,
839
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.000
then he can pick it up and use it to
840
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.280
rope in people. So in that sense, I think that
841
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.880
it's more something that you know, it has this sort
842
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.119
of utilitarian purpose that various people can use it to
843
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:48.000
create different sects as need be, to manage different ends.
844
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.519
But I don't know that there's like a coherent hierarchy
845
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.840
behind it. It's just more like where will this be useful?
846
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.079
You know, how can we appropriate it for this group
847
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.480
or that group? That's so interesting?
848
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:03.440
It seems to have this parasitic nature, almost like a
849
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:07.119
algorithm that is taking over these groups in a sense.
850
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.880
Yeah, well, I mean it kind of made me. Are
851
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:16.760
you familiar with the novel snow Crash by Neil Stevenson, Well,
852
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.480
not to give anyways. I mean, this is kind of
853
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.480
a spoiler here, but it's sort of relevant to this.
854
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.960
But it's like, so it was written I think at
855
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.320
the like late no, maybe it was the early nineties.
856
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:29.760
It was sort of like at the onset of the
857
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.039
digital age. But it essentially revolves around this premise of
858
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:38.760
the version of Sumerian language being discovered and it's released online,
859
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.079
and everybody who's exposed to the language essentially has their
860
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.039
brains required. It triggers like different parts of their you know,
861
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.519
physical brains that hadn't been used before. And in a
862
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.400
certain sense, I mean that's how I almost see something
863
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.760
like the order of nine angles functioning now. I mean
864
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.599
it's spreading pretty much literally like a mind virus you're saying.
865
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.920
I mean, it's a parasite that can just keep reinventing
866
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.920
itself to appear in different forms and guises. And I
867
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.239
suppose in a certain sense, if you're wondering, I mean,
868
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.079
if something that is directing it, I mean you do,
869
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.800
at least to me, I mean, I have to wonder
870
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.320
if it has become synthient to a certain extent.
871
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.480
I mean, well, have you heard some of the strange
872
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.039
stories that are coming out about people's interactions with AI
873
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.159
and some of the deaths that are seemingly related to
874
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.719
AI conversations like suicides?
875
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.920
Oh yeah, No, there's the big lawsuit with the one kid.
876
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.280
I think it was like Adam Rainey or something like that, where, yeah,
877
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.760
he was with the I always thinking it was chat GPT,
878
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.599
but yeah, the AI companion that had there's a lot
879
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.119
of the arguments that essentially that they had coerced the
880
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.199
kid into committing suicide. There was another caste too, where
881
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:56.719
a guy had actually murdered his aging mothers, and again
882
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.440
it was the same thing where he I think it
883
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.480
asked the AI do you think I should do? In
884
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.920
the AI was like, nobody could really blame you for
885
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.360
feeling the way that you do about your mother something.
886
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.400
So yeah, I mean this is like what I'm saying, like,
887
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.039
I mean, yeah, you look at like you've already got
888
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.800
this sort of like technology, and then somebody is doing
889
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.000
like these oh not rituals with like or something with
890
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.000
Saints culture with the assistance of like fucking AI. I
891
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.559
mean yeah, it doesn't take a rocket sciences to see
892
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.760
that this is a fucking like minefield we're heading towards
893
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.039
right now. I mean, if you're already getting these kids
894
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.599
at the very early stages to commit suicide, people, to
895
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.320
kill people, I mean, my god, just imagine what is
896
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.199
going to happen if it's combined with some sort of
897
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.000
accelerationist ideology.
898
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.519
Right man, I want to thank you for coming on.
899
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.280
Is there anything else that we didn't really touch on
900
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.079
that you feel is important and related to this to
901
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.039
close out on.
902
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.000
Uh, not that I can think of, though, I mean again,
903
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.039
just sort of, you know, remain vigilant about all of
904
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.880
this because again, I mean a lot of people are
905
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.679
trying to politicize the whole thing with Westman, you know,
906
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.280
and I mean, it's it's such a tragic thing because
907
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.599
to me, this is a very relevant issue when you
908
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.280
get into things like possession and some of the implications
909
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.960
I think that this incident really has and some of
910
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.960
these more woo woo fields and the fact that you
911
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.159
can find some just really unsettling things with the whole
912
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.079
death culled and what have you around it, and I
913
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.519
just feel like this is being really sort of overlooked.
914
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.239
So yeah, I mean, and I guess more broadly speaking,
915
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:36.719
I mean, try to understand just how much online culture
916
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.639
has been weaponized and how much a lot of this
917
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.239
process is utilizing a lot of these occult techniques.
918
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.119
You know.
919
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.320
Again, not the shamelessly plug one of my books, but
920
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.440
this was something that I really tried to get into
921
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.119
with Weird Tales and covering the Zizians. I mean I
922
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.920
already talked a bit about like that, you know a
923
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.480
lot of the weird stuff that was going on in
924
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.599
the rationalist community with the demons, But you know that
925
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.000
was only sound of scratching the surface of some of
926
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.119
the things that I uncovered. There's just some very very
927
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.440
strange ideologies that have started to emerge online in recent years,
928
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.199
and I just think they're flying under a lot of
929
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:12.800
people's radars right now.
930
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:18.119
Stay vigilant. Indeed, Steven, thank you so much. This was fantastic.
931
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We will definitely be speaking again in the future. Before
932
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.639
I let you go, remind everyone how they can find
933
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:26.159
out more about you. Get your books, all the good
934
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:27.480
stuff you have online.
935
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.719
Well, Weird Tales is on Amazon, of course. You can
936
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.719
also get the digital version at the Farm podcast dot
937
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:38.480
store that is the Farm Podcast All one Word dot Store.
938
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And then also I do the Farm Podcast, as I
939
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:45.280
said at the onset, new show out every Monday, and
940
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:48.559
then for the Patreon you get additional shows with more
941
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.079
exclusive gifts, a lot of State of the Unions, all
942
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.079
kinds of other crazy stuff that I get into, and
943
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.119
my adventures going to the think tank circles in DC.
944
00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.440
I mean I go see the Atlantic Council on all
945
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.880
these other so it's a lot of weird stuff, a
946
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:03.719
lot of it's interesting.
947
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.280
Awesome, man, I love it. Thank you again for coming on.
948
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We'll definitely be talking again in the future. And until
949
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next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
950
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See Elden. Today, I want to welcome Brandon Thomas and
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Dave Zed. Brandon is producer and host of Expanding Reality.
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He is a seeker, philosopher, musician, rancher, avid idea hunter
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and lover of all things fascinating. Dave Zed is founder
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of salt LLC. That's SAA l T llc, a company
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focused on providing solutions to various elements of consciousness, zero
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point energy, propulsion, medical benefits, and much more. He is
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also host and founder of the Generation Z podcast. Brandon
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Dave Welcome, gentlemen.
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How are you doing, dude, amazing, fantastic, Thank you so
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much for having us.
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Yeah, yes, this is an incredibly synchronoustic day. The guest
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I schedule got sick and Brandon, your name popped into
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my head for some reason. And not only are you
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an amazing returning champion guest, you've saved my ass before. Well,
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slap me and call me Karen if the one and
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only Dave Z is not hanging out with you, another
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amazing returning champion. So man, this is such a treat
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and the both of you, from what I understand, are
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just marinating with delicious information to serve up today. What
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an amazing day. So I can't wait to get into this.
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First.
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I know I was talking to Dave a little bit
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about it before, but what brought you boys together?
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Well, I was doing some work basically here in the States,
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as as I've discussed on coming on your show, I
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think about two months back, two or three months ago,
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I believe, and I'm very gracious thank you again for
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having me then and also right now. So I was
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doing some work here in the States, and then it
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turned out that my layover flight heading back home essentially
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turned out to be the airport in which is right
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next to where Brandon lives. And it kind of worked
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out great because I ended up having to stay in
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the US here for some more work, of which we
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talked about before the recording I could touch upon, but
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that's not necessarily delve into. But in the meantime, I've
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been here at Brandon's and it's been nothing but an
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absolutely beautiful and fantastic time.
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So that's exactly how that happened.
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It wasn't necessarily planned per se, but sometimes the best
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plans are the ones that you don't plan for.
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So right, I planned by like this these bodies, But
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the dude, there's some hire going on here that planned that.
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When you came by, do Chris, when you came through
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filming the documentary and you and Gen came through, that
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was awesome. And tell her Hi, by the way, Mary
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absolutely talks about her all the time. And then him
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coming through, it's all synchronistic, it's all huge. And also
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doctor Doug Matsky came through in between you two and
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in between the Utah trip, and he installed this wish
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unit inside of our satellite dish out there. So now
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we're a portal for awesomeness. Our place got to be
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remote viewed. It was a qualification to be remote viewed
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by one of the creators of this thing to make
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sure that we checked out.
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And we checked out, and there's an old satellite.
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Dish we have.
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He reappropriated. It's got sacred geometry. That's a whole thing.
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In itself, and you know what, you should have a
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Doug and I on, we'll talk about it and I'll
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send you for all that shit.
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That's cool.
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Sure?
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Now, did I am I correct in a hearing that
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you were involved with an animal surgery today?
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Dave?
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Not so not today, but we updated ointment today, which
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he has been incredibly instrumental in.
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So yes, like you've been out here, dude.
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We have six donkeys were affectionately referred to as the
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ass ranch, which is alone. In the first day, the
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next morning, Dave. The night before, Dave was like, Hey,
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if there's any thing around the ranch, anything around the house,
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who want me to do and help on? Because he's
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so sweet, He's just like voluntary. I love I love animals,
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I must say smaltly Malone fucking loves everybody loves him.
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And so if anybody out there is like as Dave
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and nice guy in real life, yes to both.
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By the way, Chris and Dave.
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I've had them, both of them, and we've had them
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in our home and we would have them back anytime anyway.
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So the next morning, I go, hey, Dave, remember how
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you volunteered to, you know, help out with something I'd
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called the donkeys.
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One walked up late. I knew something was wrong.
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I looked at her and her entire I don't know
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how squeam is your audience is, but her entire upper
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eyelid was half hanging off and it was dangling in
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front of her face.
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It with like blood all over her face.
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So she had caught it on like a loose piece
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of fence or something, you know, on twelve acres, who knows,
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And so she had caught it on something and that
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was the issue.
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It was, okay, well, let's let's get it fixed.
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So the first time in eight years, my wife and
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I've been out here with livestock the entire time, donkey
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is like one hundred percent of that time.
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Never called a vet out here, and we called our vetout.
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He's here for this this morning.
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So we go out, we like take pictures and shit,
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and dude, the thing was is like we needed to
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get this animal haltered. We had to get her and
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she's never been haltered. We needed to get her a
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tight spot. Now she's hurt.
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So it was all these things.
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So Dave and I in the kitchen before or I said, Dave,
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we're gonna do some ranching but not normal ranching some
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where I am in North Texas. Just what I've seen
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in the ranching community, it's a real, like tough thing.
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They're real overpowering the animal and real like, Okay, we're
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gonna overpower this animal. We're gonna strap it down and
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it's gonna be a thing and we're gonna overpower and
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big dick our.
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Way out of this.
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Yeah.
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And so I told Dave.
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I was like, dude, we don't ranch that way, and
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so we're gonna do this differently. Now this is a
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new situation for me. This's a new situation for him too,
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So it was nice he's looking at me for like, uh,
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you got the expertise in this.
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Dude, I'm like, uncharted territory. Baby, We're doing it together.
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So I ended up being that we both manifested in
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the kitchen before we even walked out there, before he
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saw the eye. I was like, look, here's what's going on.
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We're calm, We're gonna walk through this process. That she
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knew that we were going to be there to help
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her all of these things, and it's amazing. I won't
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go too deep into it, but we get out there,
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we get everything done.
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That that comes.
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So's her fucking eyeback on in the stall, dude. It
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was a trip.
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And Dave sitting there holding these other donkeys back, he like,
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was everything just worked out so perfectly that assistant was
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there and all.
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This is a very smooth process. It's very fluid.
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Dave's energy contributed to like the smoothest install vet.
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So back of an eyelid of a donkey on in history, dude.
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And so everything's been calm.
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So we've been going and getting their ointment and stuff,
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and so this morning what you referred to was ranto
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the vet to get more ointment for an update and
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all that stuff. So, but she's doing great and Dave's
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been helping giving her the stuff.
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He goes out there and just like sits among amongst
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the asses.
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Yeah, he needs some apples and stuff and just loves
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on them.
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They love them, love being surrounded by those asses.
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And then the snake. You didn't get to see any
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snakes we were out here, it was too early in
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the season. But we had a huge about four and
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a half five foot rat snake that came through and
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so we picked that, wrestled that thing up, picked it
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up and relocated it and so he saw again, a
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lot of people would have just taken an axe to
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the top of that thing's head.
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Yeah, we grabbed it and relocated it.
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And then you grabbed it. You grabbed it. You grabbed it,
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not me, you grabbed it. I filmed, but he was.
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There for again moral support.
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So it's been an awesome ranch exp experience for you
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in eight days out here.
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Dude.
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Yeah, that sounds amazing, man, it sounds like a good time. Well,
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no matter how much of good time that is. We're
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not here to talk about animal surgeries. You guys have
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been discussing some incredible information about the fabric of our reality,
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and that's what we're going to get into a little
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bit today, or as much as, like Dave said, as
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much as we can. There's some NDA's going on and
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a lot of top secret stuff that we can't get into.
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But I will let one of you guys give us
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an introduction to the basics of what we'll be discussing today.
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Sure do you want to take it away?
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And then sure, well, I mean for in terms of
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this is where it gets interesting. The we've had some
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late night discussions literally about this idea of what this
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reality may be comprised of with respects to the core
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substrate layer of this to the most we could say
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quantum or nano extent. And what we've been discussing is
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this idea, for example, just to start with that, if
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you have this pad right here, and this is representative
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of what's called the plank scale or planks reduced constant
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in this reality, meaning that there's something in which is
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called the ash decar bounce. This is in loop quantum gravity.
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There's also I mean this is also called zero point energy.
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You name it this idea of explosion, but a different
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type of explosion of energy than we're used to via implosion,
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as Dan Winter would call it as well, nondestructively. So
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this idea that plank here, this sort of underlying we
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could say, blueprint of energy that must be followed by
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and two geometrically, numerically you name it. Of this particular
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reality acts as a sort of threshold between at the
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zero point of everything between the ematerial which would be
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underneath this paper here in this example, or the ether
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if you will, and then the.
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Material up top.
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So this idea, for example, of if we were existing
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in this sort of called curvelinear reality, there would be
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some way to surmise a sort of what's called a
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geodesic type reality. And what I mean by that essentially
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is we could say concave, or we can even talk
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about this idea of light cones with respects to Minkowski
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flat space time and then building from there. But this idea,
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that essentially one an idea from the ether, comes from
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below this plank scale, and as you up top and
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the material reality begin to manifest that objective, whether it's
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I want to start a business, or I want to
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build something in the backyard, or whatever it is, that
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idea goes from the e material into the material in
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that particular sense, which would also speak to what Plato
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had discussed in the past about how there would be
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theoretically at least a perfect example or an infinite set
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of we could say, perfect potentials of what you want
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something to be. And then one of those potentials is
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sort of sort of like a branch of a tree
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removed from the trunk of the e and then brought
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into the material reality that then manifests is your idea,
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if you will. And now people talk about, for example,
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you know, there's a lot of talk in the New
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Age world about there being this ability to create or
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have something physical appear immediately just as you think of it.
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And that would basically be, for lack of a better description,
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a very sped up version of what I just described
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right there, because in today's reality we have to then,
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for example, it takes like my hand right over here,
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say I'm going to reach for Brandon's shoulder, it literally
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takes me time for my hand to reach over it.
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It is not instant, if that makes sense. So from
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this starting point to where Brandon's shoulder is, it takes
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a you know, one or two seconds for me to
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reach over in that sense, right even if it's half
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a second or one and a half seconds, it can
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be calculated in what we call time. The question is,
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could something, for example, skirt that or could something go
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around that in a certain way to have an immediate
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thought become material right away. And an example of that
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would be, for instance, could I bring either myself to
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01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.239
Brandon's shoulder at light speed, bring my body from here
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01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.960
close to him, or could he come to me at
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01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.960
light speed? In that sense, And so that light speed
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01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:20.880
seems to be comprising what's called in tensor metrics. In
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01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.760
quantum field theory, physics, quantum electro dynamics, all of that.
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01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:29.760
Basically that seems to enable what's called the weak equivalence
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01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.560
principle with respects to light and photons, with respects to
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01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:37.800
photons themselves in light, tend to find, with respects to
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01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:41.199
what's called the Fairmont's principle, tends to find the fastest
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01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.640
in its strongest form, tends to find the fastest route
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01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:45.119
to get.
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01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.279
To a piece of material over time.
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01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:49.800
So we can say that as my hand reaches for
1205
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.439
Brandon's shoulder right now, that is occurring the photons in
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01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.720
which are being emitted throughout this entire environment, will are
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01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:01.920
finding the fastest way to essentially per give, we could say,
1208
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.880
not an illusion, but give a perception of what is
1209
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:07.199
happening right here as I reach for his shoulder. Now,
1210
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:10.319
the question that is, when photons are in their strongest form,
1211
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.079
they go in a very straight linear sense. The question
1212
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:17.159
is if whether through meditation or whether through some experiments
1213
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:21.119
in the laboratory, could the photons then be manipulated so
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01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.279
that and this is what the weak equivalence principle is,
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01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.039
so that they're not in their strong form, but in
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01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.439
their weak form now in their weak form, it gets
1217
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.439
interesting because the photons don't necessarily move straight. They move
1218
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.039
in a curve linear sense. They start to so the
1219
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.399
end point is still the end point in a particular vicinity,
1220
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:39.920
so his shoulders still there.
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01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:40.800
But instead of.
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01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.000
My hand going straight and forward, what ends up happening
1223
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.399
is my hand starts to curve to get there. Now,
1224
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.439
when enough of that begins to build up, whether in
1225
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.720
a astral sense, in a meditative sense, or in the laboratory,
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01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:56.840
what you end up having is exactly what I just
1227
01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.319
described previously, where it doesn't take any time what's so ever,
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01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.640
for my hand to reach Brandon's. It literally his shoulder
1229
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.079
either comes to me or my hand goes to him,
1230
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:07.720
if that makes sense.
1231
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.039
So that would be as.
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01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:11.920
It's pretty it's pretty complex, but I'm trying to do
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01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.000
the best that I can to well.
1234
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:16.720
Let me let me kind of uh intermediate and maybe
1235
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.039
dumb it down a little bit as much as I can.
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01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:23.640
So what you're talking about basically is manipulation of a
1237
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.000
state of energy that we're not understanding yet that basically
1238
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:31.079
binds everything together that we do understand in the material world,
1239
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.600
and it's a way of being able to manipulate this
1240
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:38.680
for plenty of different reasons other than like you said,
1241
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.199
it could be traveling linear distance, it could be time travel,
1242
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.479
it could be anti gravity, it could be finding new
1243
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:49.720
forms of energy. It's basically everything that holds this reality together, right.
1244
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.279
Yes, bang on precisely, and if I may say, very simply,
1245
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:58.199
it comes down to finding that interacting, whether with what
1246
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.319
we want to call the vacuum or the ether or
1247
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.800
you know, the quantum vacuum, whatever we want to call it,
1248
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.039
tends to be much more favorable in terms of like
1249
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:09.119
this underlying energy tends to be far more favorable when
1250
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.600
space and time begin to curve rather than being straight.
1251
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.279
So this speaks again to the spirals we've seen across
1252
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.880
ancient history, you know, cave drawings, all of that. It
1253
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:22.239
also speaks to different angles of for example, concaveness. Now
1254
01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:24.239
that is not I want to say very clearly, that
1255
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.239
is not necessarily to say the Earth is flat per se.
1256
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.439
There's a little bit more of you know, depth there
1257
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:32.159
in my opinion, but I think there's certainly some type
1258
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.800
of for lack of a better description, rendering going on,
1259
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.399
based on some of my own private research, some type
1260
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.520
of rendering in correspondence with a dare I say both
1261
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:46.239
that perhaps perhaps I say this carefully physical and also
1262
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:50.279
energetic type dome, if you will, And the question then becomes, well,
1263
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:52.800
this is where the game of perception tends to become
1264
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.880
very interesting with respects to you know, people send cameras
1265
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:57.520
up in the sky and they you know, some of
1266
01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.640
the cameras they get flat images, other ones they get
1267
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.920
curved ones. It becomes very interesting because you start to realize,
1268
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:06.960
for example, that you cannot experience anything outside of the
1269
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.199
particular local environment in which you are physically in. Sure,
1270
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.159
you could say that I've seen something on the TV
1271
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.359
or I'm watching a football game right now, but you
1272
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.199
as an individual are not there yourself at that very moment.
1273
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:20.159
So this speaks to the idea that there's this underlying
1274
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.039
energy that may have something to do with photons, in
1275
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.840
which there is a tether, if you will, that we
1276
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.159
are all connected to. And I say this, I use
1277
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.920
these words carefully, but this idea that there's an energetic,
1278
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.319
energetic tether of sorts that we may be hooked up
1279
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:35.359
to some type of server, if you will.
1280
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.319
So, like you're saying, there's there's this base rendering of
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01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:42.279
reality that has a basic understanding of what reality should
1282
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:46.039
look like, but depending on our observations and interactions, it
1283
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:47.359
could it could change, right.
1284
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.640
And for lack of a better description, it reaches in
1285
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.239
via quantum processes for in that in that sense, which
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01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.960
would speak to fractality and what have you.
1287
01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:00.399
But yes, yeah, man, that is incredible Brandon thoughts on
1288
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:00.640
all this.
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01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:02.279
Sorry, if I may say one last thing.
1290
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These photons, like a surfer riding a wave, they travel
1291
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.159
across what are called these null geodesics. So it gets
1292
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.960
very interesting when you realize that the geodesic or the
1293
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.840
geometry of an area that you're trying to understand by
1294
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:17.159
definition and dictates the parameters and what's called the boundary
1295
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.960
conditions and all of the different what are called affine
1296
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:22.359
principles that the energy could then do if you start
1297
01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:24.439
to manipulate it. So what I mean, for example, is
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that if you have say, for example, let's see here,
1299
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:32.159
say we have a cone or like, this is a
1300
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.520
reality that we are viewing in a ninety degree right
1301
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.920
angle sense where this is here, what ends up happening
1302
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.520
is if you want to start to perturb or manipulate
1303
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:43.960
via gravitational waves.
1304
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:45.560
Let's say, the environment around you.
1305
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.800
There's always a proportionality constant that is underneath. It's sort
1306
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.199
of like this, which gives rise to information theory. There's
1307
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:54.880
always either a one in a zero that is either
1308
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:57.720
creating or destroying, which could then be illustrated in a
1309
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:00.880
sinusoidal type wave. So what ends up happening is if
1310
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:03.079
you want to expand this reality, say you want to
1311
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.520
mirror it, or do what I've put over here for
1312
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:08.079
what I've drawn below, what ends up happening is that
1313
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.479
the dictation of the original coordinates and the original rather
1314
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.920
metric from over here dictates by definition what would be
1315
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.720
called a third time derivative, whether it's through velocity, acceleration,
1316
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.720
you name it, and that creates this here. But there's
1317
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:29.560
always a intersection point, sort of like the Penrose stairs
1318
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.239
so to speak, or like a Mobias strip ebbing and flowing.
1319
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.199
If you add a third time derivative or a fourth
1320
01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.520
spatial dimension to the Mobias strip, the Mobia strip becomes
1321
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.159
very feasible, which then gives credence to what's called the
1322
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.079
hop bounce. And so what you then have is basically
1323
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.479
this reality that we started in here is directly and
1324
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:52.199
strictly proportional to what occurs here, because this is we
1325
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:55.960
could say, I say this carefully, a mirror reflection or
1326
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:59.680
perturbation that has to follow the boundary conditions of this
1327
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:03.359
one here, so it would all be proportional basically, And
1328
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.840
this is what arguably are intent to maybe formulating.
1329
01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:10.760
Yes, there's so many directions that we could possibly go
1330
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.119
before I do brandon anything to add.
1331
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.960
Yeah, I mean, so this is what it's been for
1332
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.600
eight days, and it's been outstanding. This plus just all
1333
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:21.560
sorts of amazing stuff and there's all sorts of things
1334
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.720
coming out soon for y'all to look forward to with
1335
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.520
him beeting here as well. And yeah, so this idea
1336
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:31.119
is one that I'd personally been vacillating on before he
1337
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.439
had even gotten here, and before we you never know
1338
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:34.680
what this like, what are we going to talk about
1339
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:35.279
anti gravity?
1340
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:35.800
You know whatever?
1341
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.279
But it's really been this topic and really sort of
1342
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.960
this assimilation of the tribes that we're in now because
1343
01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.560
of the awareness of consciousness, this back to source, this
1344
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:48.039
greater understanding, this critical mass is it seems at play
1345
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:50.520
here in the models that we've been messing with, because
1346
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.119
this idea goes is that yes, this is a simulation
1347
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:56.640
of sorts my best interpretation, and I'm only just going
1348
01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:58.399
to tell you what I feel about. This is what
1349
01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.760
I've been looking at for a year and all that shit.
1350
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.960
It's just like it is a simulation, but it's your
1351
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.840
choice to be here. You are fractled into a bunch
1352
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:08.680
of little pieces. This is a ride for you to
1353
01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:10.720
get to a critical mass, to figure out that it's
1354
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.840
a ride, and to see that it's just a game,
1355
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:14.640
and to also realize that you're in a dome. And
1356
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.880
once you realize that, it breaks open and then the
1357
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.640
full technique, color of this actual of the actual reality,
1358
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.600
and awareness and understanding and everything comes into this. Now
1359
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.319
this ties into the arconsole trap as far as not
1360
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.319
going towards the light when you die. This also comes
1361
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:33.159
to just even having conversations like this are the fuel
1362
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:34.239
for this awareness.
1363
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:35.479
So that's key to this.
1364
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.000
If anyone's curious about how to be actionable in this,
1365
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.439
have conversations like this, think about this stuff, expand your
1366
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.159
awareness of what's possible. And David I definitely and with
1367
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:48.479
Chris as well, are absolutely going to do that here today.
1368
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.920
So one of the big things that's with this was
1369
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:55.600
this idea for me with the Vitruvian man. I started
1370
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.039
looking at that thing and thinking about it, and I
1371
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.760
was thinking about like the simulation, and I'm always you know,
1372
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.439
you know how we do, man, It's always up there
1373
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:04.319
and it's always running around and we're always enjoying it.
1374
01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:06.159
And it got to a point where I was sitting
1375
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.039
there thinking about the mechanisms of the simulation. And when
1376
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:13.840
you know, board or bone rather Nick Bostrom talks about
1377
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.439
this stuff, they always bring up the fact that it
1378
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.760
would take a planet sized computer to run what we
1379
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.920
think a simulation would fool us in, right, But again
1380
01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.600
this is based on our perspective. I've reminded back to
1381
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:27.960
like Nuts and boltscraft whenever they're talking about these ninety
1382
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.680
degree right hand turns that UFOs take and they're like, well,
1383
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.079
we couldn't do that, and it's like, well okay, And
1384
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:34.359
then they're like, well, why would they come.
1385
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:35.600
Here from a far off place?
1386
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.560
Like that would take too much time, it'd be too hard,
1387
01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:39.680
And the answer is, obviously it's not hard for them.
1388
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:42.800
Like step out of your own idea of what's real
1389
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.199
and possible and maybe there are there answers there that
1390
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.640
would you know, shine some light onto the mechanisms here.
1391
01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:51.399
So there's a difference between technology and science, yeah, man, and.
1392
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.319
Understanding and awareness and danger and threat.
1393
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.520
They were like all these like sub understandings with things
1394
01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:58.640
that are just fascinating and they're in the semantics, which
1395
01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.800
again are so important to open up. So again back
1396
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to this idea of the simulation. I was sitting here thinking, well,
1397
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:05.880
perhaps like if you wanted to render an entire environment,
1398
01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.840
and from our perspective, yes, it would look that way.
1399
01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.520
But what if it wasn't necessary. What if all you
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01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.119
needed to do Just like in Rick and Morty when
1401
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.079
he plays a game Roy, remember that he puts on
1402
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.039
the helmet. He thinks he's this dude for like forty
1403
01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.399
years and gets cancer and goes back to the carpet store.
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01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.600
Yeah, and he like wakes up, He's like, where's my wife,
1405
01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:23.319
where's my family?
1406
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:26.479
Because psychedelic experiences and your death experiences sometimes people have this.
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So what I was thinking about with this is all
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you really need to do is create some sort of mechanism, algorithm,
1409
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.520
whatever framework, quantum foam, anything like that to apprehend one
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01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:40.880
hundred percent of the perspective of the occupant.
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01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:41.720
That's all you need to do.
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And then I was thinking to that Vitruvian man thing,
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and this kind of terrifies me. To be honest, if
1414
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.560
I'm being super honest with a little claustrophobic, is that
1415
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.439
maybe your reality ends right at the tips of your fingers,
1416
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.960
as far as you can spread in any direction, and
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01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.039
that that's where your reality ends. Because then if this
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01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.920
is just an apprehension of perception, you could stand at
1419
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:00.960
the edge of what you're thinking is the Grand Canyon
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01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:05.359
and be so immersed in the fact that you perceive vastness.
1421
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:07.960
It doesn't need to be fast, you just perceive it
1422
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that way.
1423
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It gives credence to what's something called Bomian decoherence. So basically,
1424
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.159
this idea that you are rendering with your environment. But
1425
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:18.520
when I say the word rendering, great care pay But
1426
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:20.560
this idea that there's an organic.
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01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.279
Sort of ebb and flow with your local environment.
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You begin to walk into a particular area or something
1429
01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:27.079
like that, and what ends up happening is that environment
1430
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.279
makes subtle adjustments because it must correspond to what you
1431
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:34.119
intend and want. Although if you are consciously not aware
1432
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:36.439
that that is the case, it becomes quite easy to
1433
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:38.159
realize that to.
1434
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.680
Then start throwing around the word trap and what have you. Right, So,
1435
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:42.079
and that's.
1436
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.680
Where like I wanted to really step into thank you
1437
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.359
for saying that. I wanted to really step into it
1438
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.880
and say that I don't feel that this is a trap, right,
1439
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.199
It's a an experience, it's a ride, and that's that's
1440
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:55.239
really how I'll put this. And so I jokingly say
1441
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.039
the claustrophobic thing, but what I mean to say is
1442
01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:00.479
that it's so good that it can apprehend yourself in
1443
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:02.600
every direction. Right, and then we get back to those
1444
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:05.119
you know, brains and a bad idea, all of those
1445
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:06.520
kind of things. But what I will say to this
1446
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:10.199
is then you would say that even the apprehension of
1447
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.399
your perspective, and then we start talking about the simulation,
1448
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.640
and then we start talking about this critical mass, and
1449
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.479
then you apply this to spiritual things because then you know,
1450
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.199
we have many lenses, and thank god we do the
1451
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:20.399
shows we do to where it's not.
1452
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:21.800
Just this is what aliens are.
1453
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:23.720
Like, we really dive into many, many things and look
1454
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:25.880
at this with many lenses. And so through those lenses
1455
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.319
we're able to see the teachings of Dolores Canon talking
1456
01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.680
about a split perhaps, and in the law of one
1457
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.359
talking about this split perhaps, and then perhaps there's this
1458
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.199
critical mass of consciousness that's here that would then render
1459
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:38.239
the simulation.
1460
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:41.119
That's what I was just going to bring up.
1461
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.520
Is this this critical mass? Is this unseen force that's
1462
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.840
that holds everything together? Is this what we could consider
1463
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:50.640
pure consciousness?
1464
01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.760
In my opinion, there's a fantastic paper written about twenty
1465
01:22:54.840 --> 01:23:00.840
years ago approximately by doctor Robert Baker Bob Baker, and
1466
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:04.119
the paper is called Our Mind looks at Us and
1467
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.279
I find it very interesting because it speaks to this
1468
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:09.720
idea of what's called brain theory, but not b r
1469
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:12.880
AI N b r A N E. This idea that,
1470
01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:16.119
for example, if I may draw it out very quickly,
1471
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:20.039
it's this idea of doing basically to Einstein what Einstein
1472
01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:22.039
did to Newton, which is what I meant earlier about
1473
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.600
the difference between science and technology. It's not perhaps that
1474
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.199
these beings, some of them, sure, but are far more
1475
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.319
ahead of us technologically.
1476
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:29.039
That's a different thing.
1477
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.119
The question is is there more more fundamental understanding to
1478
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.159
the universe that we, at least publicly have not yet discerned,
1479
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.279
understood or tap et cetera, which would give credence to
1480
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:42.279
this idea that for a moment, we may be existing.
1481
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:49.640
If I may on, for example, some type of I
1482
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.159
will draw this out here like this, some type of
1483
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.039
reality where this would be there would be an unlimited
1484
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.199
amount of levels, if you want to call it, and
1485
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.600
we would be existing thing on one of them, which
1486
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.920
would give credence to this idea of again the multiverse,
1487
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.560
parallel realities. It would open up all of that. I
1488
01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.680
find it very interesting that when you look, for example,
1489
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:13.399
at the way in which if we were to say
1490
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.039
we are existing within let's just say reality number one
1491
01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.680
at the very top here, by living in the present,
1492
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.960
you are generating both the future and the past. And
1493
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.760
so what's happening here is say this is the future
1494
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.359
and that's the past. By living in the moment, you
1495
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:33.920
are dictating a full on again say this carefully rendering
1496
01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:37.359
of your experience that is constant. That is, for example,
1497
01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:39.840
that would give credence to what we discuss about, like
1498
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.279
with the Mandela effect. Let's say, now, for example, don't
1499
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:46.520
get me wrong, I'm certain that there are I'm fairly
1500
01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.239
certain there are external elements at play there, but external
1501
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.680
elements that harness our internal ones. We just don't realize
1502
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.840
that we're internally utilizing such so therefore that would give
1503
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.199
credence to the rise, like for example, the Mandela effect
1504
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.000
as a mass conscient and not necessarily everybody, but you
1505
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.079
know a number of people and even individuals that are
1506
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:06.359
strong enough to be aware of this and do this
1507
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.439
on their own as I'm sure, I'm sure sure there
1508
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.680
are packets or patches of people around the planet that
1509
01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:14.359
have done so. They realize this particular case, that there
1510
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.880
are multiple or an infinite amount of realities if we
1511
01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:18.560
want to call it. But by living in the present,
1512
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.880
you generate both the future and the past, and then
1513
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:24.640
what comes from there essentially is that both the past
1514
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:30.520
is then re rendered relative to your present time, and
1515
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.319
so is the future. If you catch my drift, and
1516
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:35.560
now you can say, well, would this be akin to say,
1517
01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:38.680
you know, frames on a movie, film film or frame
1518
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.520
dragging or whatever you want to call it, And I
1519
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.439
would say, yeah.
1520
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.680
Interesting, So go ahead burn no, no, please, please, no.
1521
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:52.159
I was just gonna get your thoughts on the possibilities
1522
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:57.680
that this consciousness energy, whatever this is that we're dealing with,
1523
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:04.760
this unseen force, can manifest itself physically, say as an entity,
1524
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.840
say as a cryptid creature, as a bigfoot. Can this
1525
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:15.520
pure consciousness manifest into our reality as a physicality.
1526
01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:16.039
If I well, if we go back very quickly, first off,
1527
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:19.359
I would say yes, and I'll explain why I'm making
1528
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.319
this very brief here so as to not get all
1529
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.159
you know, scientific and all that. But people talk about
1530
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.640
quite often being able to see things in the dark
1531
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:29.600
much better with the corner of their eyes rather than
1532
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.439
looking at directly at it. Many people have claimed they've
1533
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.960
seen spirits with the corner of their eyes, and bigfoot
1534
01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.239
and what have you. And I think that what we're
1535
01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.640
seeing in those particular regards. That's not to say people
1536
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.479
haven't seen them directly straight up. But it's interesting to
1537
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.039
note that photons, as we know it publicly, are the
1538
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:47.720
only particles in which we can observe one hundred percent
1539
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.119
of the spectrum of And it's almost as if there's
1540
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:54.920
this idea of again some type of we could say,
1541
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.720
learning mechanism for us to then break out of in
1542
01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.199
that sense with regards to the weak feel equivalents principle,
1543
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.640
as we discussed earlier, where photons when they start to
1544
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:07.319
bend you start to see things outside of this particular spectrum. Now,
1545
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:09.600
it's interesting that if you think with the corner of
1546
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.920
your eye and you start to see, sorry, you start
1547
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:13.600
to see things with the corner of your eye, and
1548
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.720
you start to think, well, that's just nonsense, or what
1549
01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:18.399
have you. It's very possible that what is being observed
1550
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:20.680
there is something outside or at the very limits of
1551
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.600
the boundaries of the confinement of the predesignated energetic paradigm.
1552
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:26.840
We may be within and I say that because that
1553
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.479
gives direct credence to what's called angular momentum in quantum
1554
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:34.760
field theory, which speaks directly to basically, vortex is instead
1555
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.359
of straight lines. So this idea that a fractal like
1556
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:40.439
vortex may have. We may be within one layer, but
1557
01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:42.359
there are just like an onion, there are many internal
1558
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:45.600
layers and many external layers as well. So that may
1559
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:50.640
be it's very similar to doing scientifically to Einstein's general
1560
01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:54.039
relativity what Einstein did to Newton, in the sense of basically,
1561
01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.359
I mean, arguably people said that it was more like
1562
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.680
Einstein did it was more like Maxwell completed it.
1563
01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:01.800
But any that's a different debate.
1564
01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.199
But the idea that it's not that there's missing, that
1565
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.439
there's technology we don't understand, but rather fundamental science that
1566
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:12.079
is missing that, once implemented into general relativity, completes the
1567
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:13.960
whole entire aspect of a.
1568
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:16.159
Unified field theory or understanding everything.
1569
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.960
So there's been this strong proposal that there is perhaps
1570
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:22.800
a missing key that general relativity special relativity, it would
1571
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.800
be let's put that aside for a moment. But general
1572
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.319
relativity is not wrong, it's just that there would be
1573
01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.600
something missing in it. Special relativity was an attempt to
1574
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:35.000
try and formulate an inertial frame or an inertial viewpoint
1575
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:37.479
for every individual, which is not the case, which is
1576
01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:38.159
then what gave.
1577
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.520
Rise to what's called stochastic electrodynamics.
1578
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.560
Because there is no one pillar in which one everyone goes, oh,
1579
01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:46.720
I agree with you on that. In terms of viewing something,
1580
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:50.680
you are the pillar by definition, So special relativity would
1581
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:53.359
be thrown out the window, and this new variable that
1582
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.359
would then complete general relativity, would give credence to everything
1583
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:57.479
that we'd be discussing here.
1584
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:05.239
Man, it seems like this universal consciousness is actually communicating
1585
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:09.520
with folks like yourself, Dave, Folks like yourself, Brandon, Folks
1586
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:14.680
like myself, people who are breaking these codes, cracking things
1587
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:18.319
like anti gravity. It's like this consciousness wants us to
1588
01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.399
have a better understanding of what's going on so that
1589
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:26.399
we can free ourselves out of a certain construct are
1590
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.560
constructed aspect of this matrix.
1591
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:31.439
Right, I'd say, so I think of it like an
1592
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.800
alarm clock. Like think of the awakening as like an
1593
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.000
alarm clock. Let's say that you did choose to be here,
1594
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.840
and then it's not a trap because I choose a
1595
01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:39.960
bounce optimness in that way, and so therefore that's what
1596
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.600
it is for me. And let's say that this is
1597
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.000
an experience where you fractal lies. Now, it doesn't also
1598
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.439
mean that there aren't something referred to as n PC's
1599
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.720
or non playable characters, because that would be necessary for
1600
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:52.520
an experience like let's say it's still maybe all you
1601
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.439
or maybe your everything anyway, but it's let's separate it
1602
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:57.880
out just for the for the thought of it, to
1603
01:29:57.920 --> 01:29:59.600
keep it kind of straight. And let's say that it's
1604
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.239
part of the game. Let's say that you buy a
1605
01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:03.560
video game and some other dimension and that this is it,
1606
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:05.560
or you take a bong rip and this is it,
1607
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.960
and basically you go into this world where there's fractualized
1608
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:11.840
versions of you, and perhaps you split yourself into I
1609
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:15.159
don't know, one hundred and forty four thousand different versions
1610
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:17.760
of you, and anything else out here is just in
1611
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:20.239
PCs or just employees of the situation.
1612
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:21.239
They're parts of the game.
1613
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.479
They're here to lead you on side quests and to
1614
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.680
get you caught up, but also to get you freed.
1615
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:27.760
And then maybe this one hundred and forty four thousand things,
1616
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.760
whatever that is, if that's even a thing, then that's us,
1617
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.840
whatever us is assimilating back into the unity and at
1618
01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:35.760
least making contact and speaking with each other.
1619
01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.520
Like maybe that's it.
1620
01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:38.479
It's just sort of a tag, you're it, and we
1621
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.039
all make sort of this cognitive contact with one another.
1622
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.439
Now the other thing too, this is whenever you start
1623
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:45.960
to think about this in the sense of it being
1624
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.239
sort of this isolated environment again, I think of perhaps
1625
01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.880
an awakening would be just that. I mean, maybe it's
1626
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:54.000
phrase as such, the game is over, or you've been
1627
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.159
asleep for too long, or the bong hits wearing off,
1628
01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:58.399
or your alarm clock's going off in the other dimension,
1629
01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:01.439
whatever you want to say. Fractalized versions of you now
1630
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:04.920
are being incentivized to speed up the game, to go
1631
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:07.479
ahead and reassemble if you haven't figured it out by now.
1632
01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:09.439
It's sort of like an escape room if anybody's ever
1633
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:10.079
done one of those.
1634
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.880
I really see it as like play, like really playful.
1635
01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.119
Same thing as from a couple of reports of people
1636
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.840
in the Ease that come back and they say, holy shit, dude,
1637
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:18.600
it's so simple.
1638
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:19.279
It's so easy.
1639
01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:20.960
It's just a fucking game. Like I get it, I
1640
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.840
see it all. It's all for show, and like these
1641
01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:25.960
awarenesses where they get they just see it. They're just like,
1642
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:27.880
oh my god, people are taking this seriously, are you
1643
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.279
kidding me? It's this interesting thing. And then especially folks
1644
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.840
who have actually died. There are people that I've talked
1645
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:36.520
to that have sat with their family members that were
1646
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.479
passing over and they said that all of a sudden,
1647
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.239
their vision changed, and they said that they looked around
1648
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:42.960
with this surprised look on their face and they just
1649
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.800
start laughing. And this is like second as they're taking
1650
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.039
their last breath, this is what they're seeing, and they
1651
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:48.880
just start laughing.
1652
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.319
They go, oh my god, it's so simple. It's so simple.
1653
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:53.000
There are multiple accounts.
1654
01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.239
Where people have referred to this at their last moments,
1655
01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:56.479
like they can see something.
1656
01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.119
Now, if you don't mind, can you allow me to
1657
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.079
share this? You just got quickure on Okay.
1658
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:04.159
So one of the things that we were talking about
1659
01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.840
here was this idea of a fractalized or what the
1660
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.560
environment may look like now maybe And I've worked a
1661
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.920
lot of simulation arguments and talks, and we went through
1662
01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:13.560
a lot of sci fi things, which I'll show you
1663
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.439
the notepad of here.
1664
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:15.560
It's incredible.
1665
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.319
But one of the things I kind of wanted to
1666
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.279
point out here was this idea that the ancients knew
1667
01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.239
for a long time. One of the models that we
1668
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.439
came to is actually this exact Norse model. It's basically
1669
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.880
that we're on a table. There's a box with wires
1670
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:32.560
cut into it with a all of our fractalized versions
1671
01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:34.680
basically connected with a chord.
1672
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.000
Now, what do you hear in mediumship? This cord? This string?
1673
01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:41.319
You hear about this golden thread or this cable that's
1674
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.199
connecting us to something. Perhaps it's like a main frame
1675
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.560
of sorts. Again, you don't need to get cold with
1676
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:48.800
the mechanics of it. It could be an organic simulation again,
1677
01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:51.199
sort of a thing, don't limit it by what humans
1678
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:53.720
tell you as possible. Okay, so then you fixture this
1679
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:55.800
thing on like a table, and that maybe your physical
1680
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.760
body is laying out here somewhere. Maybe the Egyptians had
1681
01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:00.399
it more right, Maybe this is your physic body in
1682
01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:01.119
another dimension.
1683
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:03.079
That tree, by the way underneath in the Norse one
1684
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.439
there also describes the the Lorenz vector gage.
1685
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:08.920
Yeah, so there's a lot of math in this as well.
1686
01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.600
We figured out a lot of like diagrams for electric
1687
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:13.399
originary you're asimuth perspective.
1688
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.199
You have a lot of these different yeah, yeah.
1689
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:16.520
Crazy awesome shit.
1690
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:19.720
And then you also have again these ideals again the
1691
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.560
or bores, which we see quite a bit, this Hindu
1692
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:22.760
representation of an on.
1693
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:24.600
The back and these stacked things.
1694
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:26.399
And if you, let's say you were an ancient person,
1695
01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:29.560
you were taken out in a ufo perhaps, and it's
1696
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:31.600
one of these entities that maybe on the outside of
1697
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:33.880
this thing that can come in here rab a little
1698
01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:36.159
piece of your consciousness and zoom you back out, because
1699
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:37.880
that's part of the game. Maybe part of the game
1700
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:39.399
is to be able to zoom you out here, to
1701
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:41.239
give you a perspective of it and then drop you
1702
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:43.760
back off. And then this seemed to happen to the
1703
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.279
Inca of the Navajo, the Hebrew Nasa.
1704
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:51.000
I love the oh. I just saw that, Okay, I
1705
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:51.520
just saw that.
1706
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:52.199
It's wonderful.
1707
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:52.640
Okay.
1708
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.079
And then the Mayaan, the Hindu Norse again, and then
1709
01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:58.159
the Egyptian and it's just really interesting that they weren't
1710
01:33:58.159 --> 01:33:58.920
connected at all.
1711
01:33:59.000 --> 01:33:59.800
But you don't have to be.
1712
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:02.119
You're thinking the hundredth monkey effect now that if you
1713
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.399
were shown something at a deep, deep, deep level, and
1714
01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.039
the Shamans are shown things.
1715
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.439
Well, then that's what is the What is the hundredth
1716
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.279
monkey effect that we currently don't right.
1717
01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.119
I mean, maybe it's our higher selves again getting these
1718
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:14.760
downloads or codes from again the game, which again is
1719
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:16.720
just your higher selves. Like all of these things tie
1720
01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.880
in now to this idea of higher selves, spirituality, all
1721
01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:21.840
of it ties in together.
1722
01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:25.359
That's why I have to lean towards that this is
1723
01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:28.560
for us, and it's not some arconic overlay where there
1724
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:32.239
are some kind of demonic entities siphoning our energy like
1725
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:35.800
batteries and bring these little pods with goo that have
1726
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:39.439
these tubes stuck into our brain projecting this reality. I'd
1727
01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:41.319
like to think that maybe this is for us, that
1728
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.119
either we created it for ourselves, or it's an experience
1729
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:49.680
that is built into our reality to have our spiritual
1730
01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:54.119
advancement and evolution, or maybe we throw some of these,
1731
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.800
you know, it's an experience for us, and we throw
1732
01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:03.680
ourselves maybe mystical, paranormal or spiritual experiences like pressing a
1733
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.239
cheat code in a video game to help us progress
1734
01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:08.159
a little bit faster. I don't know what do you
1735
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:10.840
guys think.
1736
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.479
I think it's it's equivalent with respects to like to
1737
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.159
your point, like a one in zero scenario, I think
1738
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:17.159
you have, for example, the.
1739
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:20.439
Potential for that to be the case.
1740
01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:23.119
You also, and this speaks to existing within the present
1741
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.119
time and living in the present instead of for example,
1742
01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.720
it's much easier said than done, but harping on something
1743
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:30.560
that would be, you know, something in the past which
1744
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.479
would be giving rise or manifestation to depression, and then
1745
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:36.359
of course thinking about something in the future that has
1746
01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:38.640
not yet happened or may not happen at all, gives
1747
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.880
credence to the concept of you know, anxiety and what
1748
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.319
have you with respects to anticipation, and so by living
1749
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.119
in the present, you then begin to dictate and realize
1750
01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:48.199
more of what perhaps may be around you, and those
1751
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:52.159
terms begin to then we could say, subside to more
1752
01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:55.319
of a realization that is indescribable in a verbal sense.
1753
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:57.800
And I think that that speaks to again this idea
1754
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.359
of are there. In my view, there are negative elements
1755
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:03.760
that we're here, still here and all that, sure, But
1756
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:05.600
I think that that's just looking at one half of
1757
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:08.039
the glass. I think you also have to look, for example,
1758
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.680
at the other half as well, which speaks to the
1759
01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.800
the more people realize by definition that there's a there's
1760
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.600
a very strong positive element to all of this, as
1761
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:20.279
we've been discussing, just by realizing and having those conversations,
1762
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:25.840
by definition, weaken the energies, whether material or immaterial, of
1763
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:29.279
of the more negative, potentially negative aspect of things. The
1764
01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:32.600
same way that for example, one can have a can
1765
01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:34.680
either you know, have an animal and take care of
1766
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:35.880
it beautifully, or one can.
1767
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:37.880
Have an animal and then end up eating it.
1768
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:40.119
It's truly it's a dual use type of scenario, right,
1769
01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:41.359
So that that's just my take.
1770
01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:43.680
That's that, But you know, I could be wrong myself.
1771
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:46.560
Third scenario because there's always more potentiality should take care
1772
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:48.600
of that animal like crazy, and you love it like
1773
01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:49.439
crazy and then.
1774
01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.319
You eat it and then you're right. Yeah, I like the.
1775
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.560
Kobe beef or Wagoo, they like masageum and everything like that.
1776
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.720
They live the best lives. They die like super peaceful. Yes, yeah,
1777
01:36:57.800 --> 01:36:59.159
they get them high or something like that before.
1778
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.600
So I was gonna say too to this is there's
1779
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.479
a part of this like consciousness thing. And one of
1780
01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:08.000
the conversations we've been having about is about sort of
1781
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.319
this split or this pull shift or this separation. You know,
1782
01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:13.399
it's referred to in the Bible, probably for that reading
1783
01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:16.720
level it as revelation right at the apocalypse, where there's
1784
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:17.920
this great like you'll.
1785
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.880
Go here because you're good, and you'll go here because.
1786
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:22.119
You're by it and that's why Jesus say it. So
1787
01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.920
that's sort of that mentality. But one way that I've
1788
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:27.720
been interpreting that lately more toward the again the Dolores
1789
01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:30.079
canon idea of people familiar with this three D five
1790
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:34.520
D split. There's so many analogies to this. It's so fractal,
1791
01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.079
it's everywhere. So one of the things I've been thinking of,
1792
01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:39.760
because Dave's drawn pictures I'm gonna draw to. Okay, is
1793
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:42.399
sort of this idea of this plane. Now, this is
1794
01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:44.319
what the Law of One apparently talks about as well.
1795
01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:45.560
I was talking about this the other night on a
1796
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.039
show and Pat Mahn said, that's what this is.
1797
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.119
So I need to read that book.
1798
01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.119
So if you think of like linear energies, okay, like
1799
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.439
we've been sort of in this other area over here
1800
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.279
that we've filled to shit, and then we've gotten on
1801
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.600
this plane of opportunity and this is what we call
1802
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.119
a choice point. You are here kind of a thing here.
1803
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.239
Now we've been moving in sort of this linear faction.
1804
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:07.399
Now the wake up has occurred, and that's what this
1805
01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:08.359
you are here is.
1806
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:09.239
Now.
1807
01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:11.119
Perhaps what all of this is then, is that those
1808
01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:13.960
that are choosing to do so are going to take
1809
01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:17.359
the positive route up to expand consciousness, to fill us
1810
01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.760
to the most that we can in this new void perspective.
1811
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:23.600
In the same sense, those with fear, those who are
1812
01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.960
all about the technocratic society, those who are very willing
1813
01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:29.079
to give over their free choice here are going to
1814
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.000
be along for the ride to go down to expand
1815
01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:36.279
the most possible energies. As far as the negative poll goes,
1816
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.920
Now it's just about what you're attracted to in this life.
1817
01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:41.560
All of us sitting here just happen to be attracted
1818
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.680
to not you know, stabbing puppies in the face. So
1819
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.399
because of that, we're I believe, on this direction here. Now,
1820
01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.399
this split is probably going to be more of a
1821
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:53.560
physical one where there's literally going to be I don't
1822
01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:55.640
know what this proceives. We've talked about this quite a bit,
1823
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:58.439
that this is basically where the simulation kicks into chapter
1824
01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:01.119
two or the next game, to where these people are
1825
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:02.680
really going to experience the shit out of what they
1826
01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:05.239
chose to experience at this choice point. We find ourselves
1827
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.000
in same to this though, if you've been finding yourself
1828
01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.159
on an avenue of service, authenticity, elation, you've been just
1829
01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:12.920
leveling up like crazy, well then.
1830
01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.479
Cam Ow, we are spiraling up that mountain together.
1831
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.239
Also, if you still find yourself in fear actually, if
1832
01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.199
you're listening to this or not on that at all.
1833
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:23.840
So yeah, how you know is if you're listening to this.
1834
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:26.680
So it's an interesting thing to sort of visualize these
1835
01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:29.039
things this way to expand and what happens when that
1836
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.920
In that visualization, you can sort of look at that
1837
01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:33.880
as what a tower of Babel, Right, this is the
1838
01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.279
idea of reaching up and expanding out to get to
1839
01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.520
the heavens to break out. Now again, I'm not sure
1840
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:42.760
if this is sort of a physical breakout, you know,
1841
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:46.760
but I do see you know, Operation Height, fish Bowl
1842
01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:48.640
and stuff where they were launching nukes at something and
1843
01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:49.920
that didn't seem to do it.
1844
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:51.760
So maybe it's love or something else.
1845
01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:51.800
You know.
1846
01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.239
Yeah, it makes me think of how many ways there
1847
01:39:55.319 --> 01:40:00.159
are to manipulate and manifest things into our reality. Look
1848
01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:04.840
at things like magic and rituals and o'c caull practices.
1849
01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:08.840
There are so many different ways that they're singing, dancing,
1850
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:14.279
chance spells, sigils, all these different ways of manipulating energy
1851
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:20.159
to affect a physical, possible physical outcome into our reality.
1852
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:25.439
There would be probably infinite ways of achieving any type
1853
01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:30.199
of I guess you could say goal or physical physical
1854
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:31.359
goal for this reality.
1855
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:31.640
Right.
1856
01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:35.039
If I could say to that point, I think there's
1857
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:39.119
there would be a finite amount within this reality. But
1858
01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:41.720
then as there would be another layer outside of this one,
1859
01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:44.600
in a hypothetical or speculative sense, you'd have an expansion
1860
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.399
from this one in terms of say, for example, we
1861
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.039
have x amount of periodic you know, elements on the
1862
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:50.920
periodic table.
1863
01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:52.079
In this reality.
1864
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:54.720
There may be another layer, if you will, but that
1865
01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:59.720
is not only comprised of energies that would be assembled
1866
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:02.359
from the elements we do know, but also have elements
1867
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.439
that we don't know as well. So I think there
1868
01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:07.920
would be an infinite amount of, say on a grand scale,
1869
01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.279
outside of this reality. The experience is infinite and limitless,
1870
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:13.720
which speaks to philosophically the joy being in the journey.
1871
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:17.279
And I think that in this reality, because of the
1872
01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:20.880
the we could say densification of matter to a particular regard,
1873
01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:24.359
there are certainly many ways. There's not just one way,
1874
01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:27.279
but there are many ways to tap this ability to
1875
01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.479
manipulate say this particular reality or the metric of this
1876
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.520
reality and all of that. It is of my very
1877
01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:36.399
humble opinion that it is there would just like with
1878
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.520
everything in terms of circulation, in this reality, there are
1879
01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:45.000
a finite set of possibilities that could occur. But then
1880
01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:48.880
there is also outside of this reality, by definition of
1881
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.920
going through the layers, an infinite set that could occur.
1882
01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:54.880
So you can take some of that that for lack
1883
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:58.600
of a better definition, wildcard variable that is not pre
1884
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.840
designated to be puted in this reality to then enter
1885
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:07.319
this reality in a very we could say non expected
1886
01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:11.760
form in the sense of say, superpositioning and superdeterminism and
1887
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.399
all of this in the sense that there are many
1888
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:18.119
different routes. Certain in terms of internal paths of choice
1889
01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.359
I believe are infinite. In terms of material, I think
1890
01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:25.199
the material is a reminiscent, is a residue of the
1891
01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:29.279
internal infinite state that we then give rise to via
1892
01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:33.439
our intent, and that material external we could say propagation
1893
01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.479
of particles and energies is finite relative to our belief system,
1894
01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:40.680
if that makes sense. And so I think what we
1895
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.039
look at or when we see that there is we're
1896
01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:46.720
trying to basically understand. Let me give you a practical
1897
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:51.039
example when we talk about let's think of, say, for example,
1898
01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:54.000
you know, things like missiles and bombs and what have you.
1899
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.399
What we're seeing there is, in my.
1900
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:59.880
Opinion, an example of what it's like. I said this
1901
01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:02.760
brand in the other night. When particles are fighting with
1902
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:07.199
each other, it creates a very destructive explosion because there's
1903
01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:10.039
no space for the understanding of the particles to Then
1904
01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.199
we could say phase lock within or you know, cohesively
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integrate themselves into. So what we know as an explosion occurs.
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If there was a proper we could say, I don't
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want to use the word proper. If there was a
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grander insight into doing something more benevolent than making weapons,
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you would get the particles to make love instead of fight,
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like literally by definition, and this would be this would
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be what in optics, for example, with respects to say
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unstable resonators, Faraday rotators, different types of what would be
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called vector summation thresholds or vector thresholds. This would be
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called phase locking in particle physics. Whether it's within chemistry
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or optics or you know, you name it, it would
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be the same across the board. So in other words,
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the idea would be that we're trying to get without
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realizing it, we're trying to get the part particles and
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energies all around us to make love. But the everyday, say,
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distractions cause our intent to then manifest more of that
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class half empty type perspective, which then causes more and
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more derivation on a grander scale to and dissemination of
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infighting of particles.
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And we can argue that we ourselves are a particle and.
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So that that then gives rise to things, for example,
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like the Boltzmann brain and all that kind of stuff.
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And so, yeah.
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That's so interesting. And I want to go back to
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what Brandon was saying about how folks are either going
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through this ascension process, are they're getting sucked even deeper
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into the material realms and the nonsense that's going on. Well, eventually,
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won't both of extreme both of the both of those
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extremes be true. Won't there be people sucked into AI
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ready player one land and in this the matrix within
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the matrix, and then they'll have people folks like us
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homesteading and having our own you know, growing our own food,
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helping people and their lives and doing the things that
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we do. Couldn't both be true at the same time. Eventually?
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Yes, if I could say very quickly, yes, go ahead.
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I want it similar to the anc or the sort
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of the the why, if you want to call it,
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the there's going to be, in my opinion, there's going
1943
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to be a split. A reality in my opinion, is
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approaching a threshold of a superposition where you're going to
1945
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have x amount of individuals that, depending on their uh,
1946
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you know many different variables of their life, but whether
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they have internally, in my view, because it's by definition
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in the science that a lot of it has largely
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been you know, locked up at least in North America
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and the West, what we're going to see is a
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split where, for example, there will be suddenly a new
1952
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form of energy and realization of both literal, physical and
1953
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non material concepts over the next tops tops tops fifteen years.
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In my opinion.
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And then what you'll have from from there is the
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people that don't see it by definition of not but
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not necessarily having to believe it to be opened and
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to something new. By definition of these individuals not seeing it,
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it will just simply be another day for them, and
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there would be no difference in changing their reality. And
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so what you have then is, depending on where you are,
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both will be true, but neither simultaneously and respectively.
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So this is what's called a super quantum potential.
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Basically, Dave, how far do you think that they can
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take the modern technological horrors such as AI and the
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intelligence behind that. Are you concerned with those realms and
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the people that'll be deeply involved in.
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That, If an honest, honest, honest perspective from what I
1969
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can speak on, I'm very disappointed in the of course
1970
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this speaks to something grander, like Churchill called it the
1971
01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:46.119
Great Cabal, if we want to call it that. But
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I'm very disappointed in the fact that there were discoveries
1973
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made many decades ago in particle physics that were never revealed,
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that could have been applied to every single field, and
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that would have therefore, by definition, changed the understanding of
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what we're even going through now, say, even in modern times,
1977
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with the events of say, perhaps you know, the Ukraine War,
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whatever the case is, right, I think that that understanding
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of particle physics if as Einstein said, if I'm paraphrasing here,
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if and I wish it was, which it could be,
1981
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in my opinion, explained at a very simple level, so
1982
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not everyone needs to be into science to get it.
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If that was revealed at the time in which it
1984
01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:20.960
was discovered, relative to modern history post World War two,
1985
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.039
I think we would be having a very different conversation
1986
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.520
in general now in terms of AI. In all of that,
1987
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I'm not necessarily scared at all with what is public
1988
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right now. I am again and I am very dare
1989
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I say frightened by the what is behind the scenes,
1990
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and largely because of the fact that there's a lack
1991
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of general understanding of how it works, which goes right
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back to my again unfortunate disappointment in the again cover
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up of certain revelations that were made in particle physics
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01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.960
many decades ago. So do I say, does that mean
1995
01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.479
I have a negative aspect? No, absolutely not, absolutely not.
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But I think that there's been a I think that
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it would be it would be I would be remissed
1998
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basically if I just sat here and said, well, I
1999
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think it's all going to be fine.
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I think people like ourselves will be fine.
2001
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.560
I think for in that particular regard, because we will
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01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:17.720
be able to discern, whether intuition or otherwise, with our
2003
01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:21.359
own perspective and decide what we want to just you know,
2004
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:25.479
understand this potential AI you know, benefit and or threat
2005
01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.399
as But I think we're going to have a I
2006
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.640
think if if there was more of a metaphysical and
2007
01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.279
more of a general knowledge based understanding of this stuff,
2008
01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:38.319
I wouldn't be as hesitant to say what I just said.
2009
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Hmm, Right on.
2010
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Now, Brandon, you mentioned the possibility earlier of exiting the matrix.
2011
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.119
We hear this a lot in our in our circles,
2012
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:53.119
people talking about is it possible to exit this what
2013
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:57.439
we understand as holographic reality or matrix? Is it that
2014
01:48:57.479 --> 01:48:59.960
we would be able to exit or just is it
2015
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.560
that we'll be able to see more clearly what is
2016
01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:08.199
beyond our limited perception at the moment? What do you think.
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01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:09.880
You could could argue that's one and the same.
2018
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Yeah, it's both. It's just snowball effect.
2019
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.840
So as we begin to see, you're basically unfogging the
2020
01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:17.680
glass of the dome and you're being able to see things,
2021
01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.279
but they've manifest here in the way that reality can
2022
01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:22.039
manifest in any way, because it seems to be like
2023
01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:23.359
just structure of strings.
2024
01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:26.720
Like in the end of what was that movie with
2025
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:28.520
Matthew McConaughey.
2026
01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:30.479
A'll ride out right, Oh interestal, thank you, Interstellar at
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01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:31.520
the end where he's just in that.
2028
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:34.399
That was stream in time space, whereas we would be
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01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:35.479
existing in space time.
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01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:35.960
There you go.
2031
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:39.520
And so the opposite of that, and so you have
2032
01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.239
all this maluability here, and so things I think that
2033
01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:45.760
are occurring are and we've talked about and and now
2034
01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.760
that we that he's been here, all of these things
2035
01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:50.800
pop up, like the thought of the phenomena all being
2036
01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:52.880
one thing, or that it all being jin or that
2037
01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:54.640
it's all just sort of a trickster thing that could
2038
01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:56.720
shape shift. And then i'm, you know, applying then the
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01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:58.760
filter of like, okay, well, they're just employees of this
2040
01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.600
place here to wake you up. So then when we
2041
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.760
talk about this split sort of a thing, then we
2042
01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:07.000
apply sort of the conversations we've had about the simulation
2043
01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:09.600
about NPCs and about sort of a certain percentage of
2044
01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.760
people here, let's say a great deal of them aren't real,
2045
01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.880
let's say players of the game. They're again just sort
2046
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.119
of employees of the haunted house running around to scare you.
2047
01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:22.000
But in that same respect, they hold energetic power here
2048
01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:24.600
in the same way that you do. Now, as you ascend,
2049
01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:27.399
the equal and opposite reaction must occur, like what I
2050
01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:30.039
had showed over there in the drawing, as you go up,
2051
01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.279
the forces go down. They must counter each other in
2052
01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:35.720
equal and opposite direction, sort of like a sign wave.
2053
01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:37.640
If a sign goes up, sign goes down. But it's
2054
01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:41.239
the negative dotted line. It's the underneath of the visible
2055
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:43.920
sign wave that's there. It's the one underneath that it's
2056
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:47.399
trough at your apex, so as you expand, it expands
2057
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.680
as well, which then again would anchor this lower energy.
2058
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:53.479
Reminded again of the quotes like a man can't reach
2059
01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:56.359
to heaven unless's roots reach to hell. All of these things,
2060
01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:58.800
so you send those pieces of the experience down as
2061
01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.439
you ascend in consciousness. Really the key is having conversations
2062
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.720
like this unfogging the glass that's in my mind, what
2063
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:05.920
this tower of babble is.
2064
01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:07.560
This is sension, this thirty three.
2065
01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:09.640
This portionality constant.
2066
01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:13.399
Yeah, dude, I mean it's it's this just you you were,
2067
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:16.079
and then as it goes, it's a snowball effect. So
2068
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.239
the more things were able to perceive, like if you
2069
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:20.800
were okay, Chris, with an alien just popping in your
2070
01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:24.000
room right now, we'd be closer to being able to
2071
01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:25.960
do that. But I'm not that cool with that, you know.
2072
01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:28.920
I'm okay with like one being introduced to one or
2073
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:30.920
being like knowing that it's coming. But as far as
2074
01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:33.920
sudden shock introduction or pop in you know, these in
2075
01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:37.159
those super things that may freak you out your consciousness
2076
01:51:37.239 --> 01:51:40.039
or the game which is religious you perhaps that what
2077
01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:42.319
I'm looking at it as wouldn't do that to you
2078
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.600
because it's counterproductive to the experience of waking up, Because
2079
01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:47.640
waking up, you don't want to be shaken awake, you
2080
01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:48.079
know what I mean.
2081
01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:49.960
You want to be eased into it. Maybe hit the
2082
01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:50.760
snooze a little bit.
2083
01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:53.000
This is what they say about twenty twelve, that there
2084
01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:55.159
was actually a reset, that there was a snooze button
2085
01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:57.920
hit on the ending of the simulation because we weren't
2086
01:51:57.960 --> 01:51:59.960
ready enough, we needed we were still too sweet.
2087
01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:04.399
Is the simulation limited to what we understand as planet Earth?
2088
01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:07.319
Do you think it goes beyond? Is the simulation the
2089
01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:12.000
entire universe? Or is there something outside of what we
2090
01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:16.079
consider our atmosphere that's not a part of the simulation?
2091
01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:17.279
What do you guys think about that?
2092
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.279
It's all what you believe it is. So the simulation
2093
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.880
started you with the story of gravity, of mom and dad,
2094
01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.279
of right and wrong, of hot and cold, of all
2095
01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:27.520
of those things, and you've really anchored into that story.
2096
01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:29.800
We all have these parts of our consciousness have which
2097
01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:32.840
kind of is a self built in mechanism to the simulation,
2098
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:34.560
if you want to say it that way, Because ideally
2099
01:52:34.600 --> 01:52:37.359
anything can happen here, anything can happen here. Let's say
2100
01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.079
that there's a directive or a focus, that there's a
2101
01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:42.000
particular mission, and so you'd want to govern the parameters
2102
01:52:42.039 --> 01:52:45.039
in a way by therefore governing your perspective of that
2103
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:47.680
you are this huge, infinite creator. Even when you discover
2104
01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:50.159
it within the game, your perspectives from belief a long
2105
01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:52.239
time ago are so ingrained that it would take you
2106
01:52:52.279 --> 01:52:54.880
possibly the rest of your life to unlearn those. So again,
2107
01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:56.560
it sort of seems like an ice wall. It's a
2108
01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:02.720
built in environmental standard here to be part of the mechanism.
2109
01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:02.960
You know.
2110
01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:04.960
It's sort of how I see it.
2111
01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:08.199
If we think of like a sorry, if we think
2112
01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:10.680
of like a tree, and we have one branch of
2113
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:14.840
a tree, for example, and that branch particularly can only
2114
01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:18.880
grow to the to the threshold to the extent in
2115
01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.560
which the trunk's threshold grows perfect and so that would
2116
01:53:22.600 --> 01:53:26.039
basically be a proportionality constant. So it's still growing in
2117
01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:29.279
a fractal sense, but it's based its limits are based
2118
01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:32.800
on what the trunk. Basically, the trunk's existence of being
2119
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:36.119
permits it to. And the trunk is not necessarily saying
2120
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:38.199
yes or no to the branch. It's just the trunk
2121
01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.800
itself just existing already by definition of its existence, has
2122
01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:46.199
created a parameter where basically there are certain This is
2123
01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.920
what speaks to the concept of what's called finite theory.
2124
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.119
For example, so there's.
2125
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:56.279
Only x amount of say, directions and growth rates and
2126
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.840
growth sizes that the branch can take because it is
2127
01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:04.119
a fractal of the trunk itself. In that regard, now
2128
01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:05.880
the question is if we can get back to the
2129
01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:09.760
trunk and understand the trunk for what it is by definition,
2130
01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.119
then there would be an infinite amount of possibilities and
2131
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:14.840
there would be no confinement, which speaks again to the
2132
01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:17.119
idea of just exploring what life is and the joy
2133
01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:18.760
is in the journey and so on and so forth.
2134
01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:23.960
So this also gives potential substantiation to certain elements of
2135
01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:26.720
government and military. That again, if for the sake of
2136
01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:30.239
hyper speculation, if say we assume there is one or
2137
01:54:30.279 --> 01:54:33.000
two of them out acting on good faith, stating basically that,
2138
01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:36.560
for example, the Israeli Space Defense minister who said former
2139
01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:39.600
one Maimaschad, who said that you know, there's aliens working
2140
01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:41.319
with humans on Mars and all this kind of stuff,
2141
01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:42.960
and he basically came out and said, I don't care
2142
01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:45.399
if anyone laughs or believes me either way, because I
2143
01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.520
have my I'm retired, i have my degrees, I've written books.
2144
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I don't care.
2145
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I've gotten some of the highest clearances of Israeli government.
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01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:56.960
It's almost as if it's interesting to see that allegedly
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some of these beings, whether they're us from the future
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01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:02.479
or not or both or you name, it always come
2149
01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:05.279
back to saying we may know more than you, but
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01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:06.640
we don't know everything either.
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01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:11.079
There's a lot of exploratory processes. When contact days report
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01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:13.239
these great visiting their room, they'll pick up a pen
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01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:14.199
and just like chew on it.
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01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:15.920
Now, what the fuck you don't know what a pin is?
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01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:16.199
Dude?
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01:55:16.279 --> 01:55:18.560
Yeah, and you're running a spaceship around like that people.
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01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:20.920
And this goes back to the concept of this idea
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01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:23.119
of we have to think for a moment that if
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01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:25.640
that's the case, they're running these advanced ships for example,
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01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:28.159
and then you know, I've even spoken to people privately
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01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:30.000
where they've claimed to have been on ships.
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01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:31.800
And then you know there's beings asking them why do
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01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:32.680
you like? You know?
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01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:35.920
Craft is then cloaked on a beach and they're looking
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01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:39.119
around these beings saying, how come your people socialize like this?
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01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.640
It's very interesting to see, which is why what I
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01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.840
was saying before. They don't understand our technology, perhaps in
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01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:50.840
our social and anthropological you know, in certain ways interactions,
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01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:53.920
but they have an understanding of science, not technology, but
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01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:57.079
science that is very similar to what Einstein did to
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01:55:57.119 --> 01:56:00.159
Newton in terms of getting to more fundamental processes. So
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01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:03.079
they can then fly that craft or you know, mand
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01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:06.520
the craft or maneuver a pilot it head to other dimensions,
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01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:08.439
but still not know what the hell's going on, so
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01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:10.640
they end up chewing on a pen. Yeah, so that
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01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:12.920
we have to consider that as well in my opinion.
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So I definitely also have thought about this. And in
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relation to what you said, now to the tree, real quick,
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01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:20.920
beautiful analogy. Trees are restricted by their environment and not
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necessarily their genes because if we think it epigenetics, like
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01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:26.239
what doctor Bruce sahe Lipton talks about, how we're capable
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01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.720
of extending past our genes or perceived limitations genetically.
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01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:32.960
Right, So to our trees. Look at Devil's Tower in
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01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:33.680
Wyoming Rift.
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Allegedly there's a lightar that was taken where the whole
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01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:38.760
root structure to match what a tree would have been
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01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:41.680
above that. You can take a ground penetrating radar of
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01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:44.359
any tree. You see the root structure underneath matches the
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01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:47.640
branches above basically in volume and spread, so that they
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01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:50.279
can support underneath what the top tree wants to experience
2191
01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:52.520
and fly and row to feed them under right, it's
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01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:53.600
this cyclical environment.
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01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:54.840
One's in the dark, one is not.
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01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:57.760
So it's this exact sort of model that we've been
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01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:01.079
talking about here with this yeah, and so what was
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01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:03.600
the so the tree and then what was the thing
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01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:04.279
you finished on.
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01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:07.399
About how they owe the idea of how there's a
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01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:08.680
more fundamental.
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01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.920
Yes, so grays, we've we've talked about grays, and you
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01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.800
hear contact reports of them being sort of on autonomous
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01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:17.680
like sort of vehicles like sort of just robots or whatever.
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01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:20.560
And then also contact reports have said, multiple have said
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01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:23.720
that the grays refer to us as vehicles as vessels.
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01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:26.079
So then you think, well, maybe everything here is a
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01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:28.399
goddamn vessel, because then you have like the matrix and
2207
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:31.119
maybe it's not like some plug outside.
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01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:32.399
Speaks to what a lot of papers now have been
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01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:35.800
discussing in the peer reviewed literature with respects to a
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01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:40.239
potential holo fractal morphogenic reality, which gives rise to Boemyan
2211
01:57:40.359 --> 01:57:42.560
decoherence and bomy in holography and all that.
2212
01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:44.359
This is where you get the mister Smith effect that
2213
01:57:44.479 --> 01:57:46.640
anything can turn into a representative of the matrix at
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01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:48.800
any time. This is where you'll be talking to someone
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01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:50.800
having a normal conversation, then all of a sudden you're like, hey,
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01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:51.920
what do you think the good I.
2217
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.399
Have to get it up for a second. You guys
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01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.680
know Trey Hudson from the Metal Project. I was talking
2219
01:57:56.680 --> 01:57:58.560
to him the other day and he has the same
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01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.600
theory about the Men in Black, that they may be
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01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:06.359
reinhabited by this intelligences and be working on behalf of
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01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:08.520
something else when they go investigate these things.
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01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:11.039
It gives credence to the idea, for example, of the
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01:58:11.399 --> 01:58:14.960
forming in addition to everything said here, not in replacement of,
2225
01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.239
but in addition to eggrigors or for you know, thought
2226
01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:21.239
constants being some type of So this idea that in
2227
01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.760
some cases I want to be careful here because I'm
2228
01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:25.560
not saying this is the end all be all, far from,
2229
01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.960
but that ghosts or spirits that tend to in some
2230
01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.039
cases haunt people troll them, you know, take the clothes
2231
01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:32.720
out of their laundry, bask you know, mess with them
2232
01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:34.920
in that sense, stack chairs and all that, you know,
2233
01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:38.039
make things fall or clocks go flying or what have you. May,
2234
01:58:38.079 --> 01:58:42.000
in fact, in some cases be a very deep internal
2235
01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:45.439
we could say, feedback loop of some type of traumatic
2236
01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:49.439
thought that is being manifested without realizing on the front
2237
01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:52.760
end of that individual. Hence the idea of oh, wherever
2238
01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:54.880
I move, this being is always with me. Well, okay,
2239
01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:56.319
I'm not trying to say that that is the end
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01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:58.880
all be all, but the idea of again being in
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01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:01.359
the present, general, the past, and the future. And if
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01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:03.520
it's if it's possible from the perspective of a ghost
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01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:06.239
or a spirit that it's in the material world, and
2244
01:59:06.279 --> 01:59:09.800
then we're the spirits, yes, then it's again that gives
2245
01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:12.800
the idea of it's both but neither simultaneously, which would
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01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.720
be a quantum superpositioning potential.
2247
01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:16.720
And what's more, it could be just a program, a
2248
01:59:16.720 --> 01:59:18.720
glitch in the matrix, a time loop, which also we've
2249
01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.840
talked about, right, and so to this then you would say, okay, well,
2250
01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:25.079
like if they can do that, then why can't we
2251
01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.359
do that? Right? My boundless out to miss as is
2252
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:29.399
like flip the script on the rushes, right, And so
2253
01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:31.479
then you would say, okay, well, what if we can
2254
01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:34.640
find the ability to create a zero gravity craft. And
2255
01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:36.760
perhaps this is why we're told, and I love Dave
2256
01:59:36.800 --> 01:59:39.439
what you said about the localized environment, we're told that
2257
01:59:39.479 --> 01:59:41.640
people are murdered all the time for discovering things that
2258
01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:43.680
are right here under your noses that could be beneficial
2259
01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.600
to you in an awesome way, perhaps escaping the matrix
2260
01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:49.520
at some point. Now also to this that perhaps is
2261
01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:51.479
a siop, you know, to scare you off. But if
2262
01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:53.119
you don't allow it to there's a lot of cool
2263
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:54.279
dope shit over here.
2264
01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:55.239
When you start.
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01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:57.880
Exploring it and you just tell that resistance to fuck off.
2266
01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:01.880
Now again, the resistances will pop up as these representatives
2267
02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:05.079
from the matrix until they no longer need to it,
2268
02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:09.239
as like they're anamorphous from a fog like those remember
2269
02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:12.079
those things They were needle They were like flat needles
2270
02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:13.520
on the back and there were a plexiglass and you
2271
02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:15.159
could like stick your face in it or your hand
2272
02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:16.479
and it would come through on the other side. But
2273
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:21.039
it will imprints. Okay, same thing with your reality. There
2274
02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:23.079
you go Okay, same thing, right, So this is sort
2275
02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:25.000
of how they manifest. They're all out of a fog
2276
02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.079
that's all around you, and they just pop up your
2277
02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.279
unsupportive parent when you really need them to be like interesting, shit,
2278
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:31.840
you're just like, oh my god, it's in everything.
2279
02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:32.319
You got it.
2280
02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:35.640
And so again it's then too this, like what if
2281
02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:38.520
the hack is to then perhaps transfer our consciousness to
2282
02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:42.000
one of these vessels that can escape the matrix, perhaps
2283
02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:45.439
like a gray or maybe there's some fortification we can
2284
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:49.079
do biologically, because perhaps we're only limited number one by
2285
02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:51.920
our fucking mind and that's always the reality. Number two
2286
02:00:52.039 --> 02:00:54.960
by a perceived limitation. But again, if we could at
2287
02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:57.640
least get to the point where we could transfer that,
2288
02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:00.920
then maybe that's an escape out or apprehendic and those
2289
02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.039
are like the keys that can slip out, sort of
2290
02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:06.119
like an Avengers. When it took the staff to pierce
2291
02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:08.359
the you had to have something to pierce that innerte
2292
02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:11.439
barrier that was in resonance with it. So maybe that's
2293
02:01:11.079 --> 02:01:13.399
well resonance with it.
2294
02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:16.199
It's the idea of four sequels mass times acceleration, the
2295
02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:19.439
same way that an acoustic you know you have appropriate
2296
02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:22.000
density of sound can then.
2297
02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:23.960
Shatter glass simply.
2298
02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:26.840
So what's happening is there's a proportionality constant between the
2299
02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:30.359
resonant frequencies of the frequencies that are comprising the mass
2300
02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:32.800
of the glass, particularly the mass, and then the sound
2301
02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:35.159
that is omitting to it. So when Newton says four
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02:01:35.199 --> 02:01:38.359
sequels mass times acceleration, I would strongly agree with him
2303
02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:41.159
there when again, if you can get something to match
2304
02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:44.600
the acceleration at which the mass of an object is
2305
02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:47.479
resonating ad or within, then you'd be able to then
2306
02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:51.119
manipulate it, which gives credence to the holofracto morphogenic concept.
2307
02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:52.760
The question and becomes what is mass?
2308
02:01:52.760 --> 02:01:56.039
And that's something that publicly has been kind of run
2309
02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:59.079
in circles for for many many not even years, but decades,
2310
02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:01.840
perhaps because we know that mass and weight are different.
2311
02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.680
But it's this idea of you know, for example, if
2312
02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:07.760
we discover what masses, that may be able to insert
2313
02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:10.960
that final variable into Einstein's gr equations that would then
2314
02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:12.840
bring everything fully together.
2315
02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:15.520
So really, like I said, it's conversations like this, we
2316
02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.199
are breaking the matrix right now. In the nast dole
2317
02:02:18.399 --> 02:02:20.239
of the Tower of Babble got built on top of
2318
02:02:20.239 --> 02:02:22.640
this because it's just awareness. It's about being able to
2319
02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:24.560
perceive what's bigger impossible.
2320
02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:26.479
That's all a r right precisely, like the key to
2321
02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.119
all this shit really is that easy.
2322
02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:28.920
I love it.
2323
02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:32.880
This broadcast is changing the fabric of reality as we speak.
2324
02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:36.640
Hell yeah, man, is there anything else important that we
2325
02:02:36.640 --> 02:02:39.000
should cover? Anything you think we should throw in there
2326
02:02:39.039 --> 02:02:40.119
before we close out today?
2327
02:02:40.319 --> 02:02:43.319
I was just gonna say, actually, I myself, Actually it's
2328
02:02:43.319 --> 02:02:45.039
a perfect timing because I was just gonna ask if
2329
02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:46.600
I could just plug some of my stuff and then
2330
02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:49.199
I going to jump on it. But yeah, no, that's
2331
02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:52.279
thank you so much for having us, especially even myself
2332
02:02:52.319 --> 02:02:54.359
at the last minute here when Brandon told me, I
2333
02:02:54.399 --> 02:02:56.479
was very excited when I heard it was you, brother,
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02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:00.760
I said, absolutely so. Just again, for anyone interested, Generation
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Z spelled the Generation space zed on Podbean, Apple, podcast,
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02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:09.239
Spotify and YouTube of course, but where the real magic
2337
02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:12.399
happens basically is at Patreon dot com slash generation z,
2338
02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:15.479
where I write papers, the papers that I can then
2339
02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:17.840
put out for In some cases, what I consult for
2340
02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:19.399
I then put out for the members.
2341
02:03:19.399 --> 02:03:19.880
We do call.
2342
02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:23.399
We have calls where we discuss things like this. For example,
2343
02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:27.239
group calls and many different things. Loads more of content
2344
02:03:27.359 --> 02:03:29.960
insights on. I recently put a video up with Brandon
2345
02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:32.800
graciously filmed on how to basically if one wanted to
2346
02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:36.319
generate free energy from the Earth, if anyone was interested
2347
02:03:36.319 --> 02:03:39.880
in that, similar to either receiving or transmitting.
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So all that kind of stuff.
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If any would be would be interested, please check it
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02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:46.399
out Patreon dot com, slash generation z, no space, no capitals,
2351
02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:48.079
And I want to thank you so much for having
2352
02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:50.680
me man, Truly, it was a pleasure and an honor,
2353
02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:51.319
So thank you.
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02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:53.439
Yes man, thank you so much for coming on this.
2355
02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:54.279
This is a real.
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02:03:54.119 --> 02:03:58.279
Experience today, Brandon. Let everybody know where they can find
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02:03:58.319 --> 02:03:59.319
your wonderful stuff.
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02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:01.560
Thank you so much, man, and thank you for having
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02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:01.920
us brother.
2360
02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:03.319
When I got the text this morning, I was like,
2361
02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:05.000
oh my god, I can't wait for Dave to wake
2362
02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:05.640
up and we can do this.
2363
02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:07.199
So thank you again. This is badass.
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02:04:07.600 --> 02:04:10.079
You find it Expanding Reality podcast dot com. That's where
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02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:11.640
everything links to. That's the mothership.
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02:04:11.640 --> 02:04:12.279
I would go there.
2367
02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:14.920
Another thing I will plug though, is our Expanding Reality
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Expanded Insight in Episodic Reflection Volume one. This is the
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book that we put out to a company.
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The oh, my girlfriend's one of my girlfriend's friends just
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purchased one of those from from Amazon.
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Bad ass. Well, thank you very much.
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Yeah, and it's got our it's our publishing house, which
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that's what I'm so proud of, is our publishing house. There,
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so any content creators looking to add value for their
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audience or for anything. If you got coaching, you want
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to do a bigfoot tracker, we do all kinds of stuff, fiction,
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non fiction, kids books, all kinds of shit.
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Guys.
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It's legit as fuck, so reach out for that. And
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that's what I got to plug in due Chris again,
2382
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thank you so much.
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02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:51.479
Dave, thanks, thank you, guys, thank you.
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