FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 20 October 2026

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Speaker 1: If I don't listen to 5AA Breakfast in the morning, I actually have a bad day.
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Speaker 3: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 4: Eight after six. Good morning to you and welcome to Tuesday on 5AA Breakfast. It is the 20th of October. It's a bit cooler out there, as you've just heard. A little bit of rain dropping sporadically around Adelaide. So a bit of a change today from what was a magnificent, warm and beautiful day yesterday. We'll chat with the Bureau about when we might get storms a little bit later today, certainly on the forecasters of last night. So we'll go through that with them just before seven o'clock today. Also on the program, we'll be crossing to Wangaratta in Victoria, the scene of what we understand is a horrific, deliberate attack on the member for Indi. Helen Haynes will be bringing you the latest on that. Any developments on that story, you'll hear them here on 5AA Breakfast across the morning. Also, uplifting story with young Australian of the year, Ned Brockman, who is running to fight homelessness. He's in town for tomorrow. He can actually run with him and go for a jog with one of our legendary ultra marathon and distance athletes, Ned Brockman. Looking forward to that chap. The way the world is at the moment, the idea of spending 20 minutes of your day making a cup of tea and going outside to count birds sounds positively delightful. And that's what BirdLife Australia are asking everyone in the country to do with a big bird count. that is on this week. We're going to chat with the owners of the Down South Bakery. How many listeners do we have that like the Down South Bakery? It was targeted by a rival who admitted this in court for being too successful. The owners are going to join us just before 7.30 this morning. Phil Currie in the nation's capital. We've got a jury trial. But we want to start here with a chat we're going to have with Sandy Wilkinson, the City of Nord Payne and St Peter's councillor, Stace, and good morning to you. How often is your general waste bin picked up in your council area?
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Speaker 5: In my street, it's picked up every week, but there is a trial taking place in the Unley council area, which is just a few streets away from me.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 5: And there it's being picked up every fortnight.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 4: Well, this goes to the Sandy Wilkinson idea in the Nord Payne and St Peter's. council area who wants the general waste bin, which is red there, to be a fortnightly collection and the green bin, which is not just your green waste these days, but also your.
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Speaker 5: Food waste.
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Speaker 4: Organic waste, is that what they call it? They want that one to become weekly, which is currently fortnightly. Let's just get a snap review straight off the top this morning, folks. The council's perspective, and I'm sure Unley's has been in the past, Holdfast Bay and others, that it saves money from their perspective in terms of paying landfill costs and it's good for the environment. So that's the pitch. Do you buy it? Are you living through it? Does it work for you? Would you be concerned if it came in your neighbourhood? We'd be finished if it was ours.
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely no. Three adults and a child in our household. That being, we rely on the goodwill of our neighbours most weeks to get it out there on the road.
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Speaker 5: See, we'd be okay. And We have nappies as well.
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Speaker 4: I was going to say, how do you possibly do it with nappies?
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Speaker 5: I just have become crazy about the green bin.
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Speaker 4: Okay. This is what this requires.
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Speaker 5: Pizza box, a lot of cardboard, paper towel, all of that goes in the green bin.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 5: And then if it's not been touched by food, it goes in the recycling bin. So we have barely anything in the, for us, it's a green-lidded bin, but the green, red.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 5: Garbage, rubbish.
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Speaker 4: The general waste bin.
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Speaker 8: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 4: I need to go back to this nappy thing.
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Speaker 5: If it wasn't for the nappies, I would probably only put my bin out every fortnight.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 5: But the nappies would stink, especially now that it's getting a bit warmer.
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Speaker 4: Well, some of the people in the Nordpain and St. Peter's area made the point in the Advertiser article this morning saying, you really want my nappies to be in the bin for a fortnight. There's no amount of plastic bag wrapping that can make that safe.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 5: No essential oil you can dip into the bin to change that.
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Speaker 4: There's no way you can make that acceptable.
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Speaker 5: The other thing that I would note is these councils that are doing the trials, or I think in Holdfast Bay, I'm not sure if it's been a trial. If it is, it's been a trial that's been going for years. They have said if you do have nappies or adult nappies and you do need the weekly pickup or you've got a large family, they still allow a weekly pickup for those people. You just have to ring and ask for an exemption. However, there are lots of people in my local Facebook group saying when you ring and ask for that exemption- It's really difficult. They make you stay on the phone and ask you a million questions and do you really understand what this means? It's not an easy process.
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Speaker 4: To actually say. It's like trying to change your mortgage or your electricity bill.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Or your electricity provider. Just to get your weekly bin pick up. Which is a nightmare. This text says the Copper Coast Council has a fortnightly red bin collection. At the start, there was an uproar, but you do get used to it.
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Speaker 5: I think it's one of those things.
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Speaker 4: Terrifies me, Stacey. I don't like it.
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Speaker 9: Nope.
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Speaker 4: Yes, you're right. There's probably a better way of managing my personal waste business. Who's got the time? The concept of it would keep me awake at night. 8223 0000, do you think there's merit in this idea? Folks, do you organise yourself in such a way, like Stacey maybe, that you do it so well already that actually you wouldn't even notice the change? Or are you like me and it will keep you awake at night if this was to change? Let us know. 8223 0000.
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Speaker 5: This text from Paul in Pennington, I think, says it all. Morning, guys. Fantastic. Council charges the same but at the same time saves money on rubbish collection to fund their virtue signalling.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, to Paul's point, if there was a sort of a lump sum of waste and you could opt out of weekly and your rate was lowered in accordance with that, fantastic. Financially incentivise people to do the thing that saves the council and the environment.
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Speaker 8: Yep.
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Speaker 4: But there's no real financial incentive for the ratepayer, is there?
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 5: Well, the council would say that money can then be used to fund other local initiatives.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's what scares me. Let's go to Collins with Gary.
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Speaker 8: Good morning.
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Speaker 10: Good morning.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you just saw my thunder, exactly what you said. I live on my own, so with my rubbish bin, I might... Sometimes I only put it out once a fortnight anyway. So for me, it's not a problem. But for people with three or four... in the family five, yeah, that'd be really struggling. Just, I know the council, let's pick up, that's more money they save. I was just going to say, does that mean the council rates, we would get cheaper council rates?
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Speaker 4: That would be nice.
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Speaker 12: That's the thing, isn't it?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: So, yeah, it's not a one fits all, I think, but look, And it's trying to educate people to put all their recycle in.
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Speaker 13: And some people don't.
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Speaker 11: They just mix it all up. But most of the people do the right thing. But, yeah, like I said, for me.
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Speaker 13: That's fine once a fortnight.
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Speaker 14: It doesn't bother me. But even, yeah, so.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's well said, Gary. And it is funny if you strip it back to first principles. It is odd that we have a system where Gary gets the same amount of bin space as, you know, you could have the Partridge family. They would, you know, get the same two bins. It is a peculiar way that we sort of organise things. Let's go to Dave in South Brighton. Morning, Dave.
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Speaker 15: Morning, guys.
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Speaker 16: We've had the fortnightly pick up for years. I live on a street where we have a really good little system. If you put your bin out, whether it's green, yellow or red or whatever, if it's not full and your neighbours have got a bit of excess, we all just shuffle it and top it up and... My neighbour next door yesterday had my green bin out. He just topped it up with his excess green stuff. I do the same for him when I'm a bit high. But the fortnightly pickup for us and the two of us in the house works fine.
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Speaker 4: Sign of a street with good sense of community, I think.
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Speaker 5: Good bin etiquette.
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Speaker 4: Good bin etiquette.
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Speaker 5: The key there to what Dave said, once it's already out on the street.
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Speaker 4: Fair game.
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Speaker 5: Fair game, I think.
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Speaker 4: Which is right.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're not going onto someone's property.
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Speaker 4: And using their bin. Unless you're putting something really stinky in there.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be putting nappies in my bin.
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Speaker 4: No, no, no. Other things first, not nappies. Margie at Hampstead Gardens, good morning.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I had a neighbour who puts the rubbish in, stinky rubbish in my bin every week, so I go and take it out and put it back in her bin. And up until two years ago, and listen to this, on the other side, up until, well, they're moved now, about two years ago, she had two little boys under two, she put all the shitty nappies in my bin.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's gross, Margie.
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Speaker 17: No, I used to take them out and put them in a driveway. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to put up with that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's not... See, that's bad bin etiquette, Marge. That's the opposite of what we were just talking about. You've got to know where to draw the line.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, nappies stay in your bin.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, nappies is non-negotiable. I think that's fair enough. Thank you, Marge. We're going to take some more calls on this, but first we'll take a break and we're going to take you to Wangaratta in Victoria, the scene of this awful, awful situation involving the member for Indi, Helen Haynes, on the other side of this.
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Speaker 2: Knockdown. Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
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Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
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Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 20 after 6. In a moment we're going to chat with 7 News reporter Andrew McCormick who's in Wangaratta. This was the scene of this horrific attack on the member for Indi, Helen Haynes, who updates are scant overnight. We understand she's had a number of surgeries. We understand she reminds in a critical condition. We know a 43-year-old man has been detained and is the obvious suspect in this case. In this case, it was described by the Prime Minister last night as a deliberate attack. And whilst little was said in that press conference, the fact they felt the need to do it at all suggests they have at least an inkling that this is going to blow up into a far bigger and scarier sort of story. I thought one of the saddest reflections on it was James Morrow's this morning in the paper that we've lived in this bubble in Australia. We've had this wonderful relationship with our local representatives where You meet them on a street corner or you have a press conference and you walk to the steps of parliament and you have to sort of dodge people that are walking into the shot or bumping past the MP. There's this wonderful approachability about politics in this country that other countries haven't enjoyed. And you'd hate to think we're now in the process of seeing that disappear and people driving in 12-car motorcades to get from one event to the next and flanked by security and there being none of that nice organic... connection between our representatives and us but would you blame them who would go into politics if this is the kind of thing you have to contemplate.
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Speaker 5: Yeah if she was at work she was in front of her in her marked car electoral office in her marked car and if you can't have those interactions with the public anymore that's a sad day.
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Speaker 4: Oh it's just awful it's just horrific we will talk more about that with andrew mccormick in a moment um in the meantime we're talking about nord payne and st peter's council and the decision not decision the idea that they might try and make the generic waste fortnightly as opposed to weekly. Ian in Hindmarsh, what are your thoughts on this?
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Speaker 18: Well, I've been dealing with rubbish collection for 18 months to the point where I actually had to speak to my local member, which happened to be Turbo Tom's office, because rubbish just wasn't being picked.
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Speaker 14: Up at all.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 19: And.
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Speaker 14: I found out.
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Speaker 18: After speaking to some an acronym of some waste company or association, Northwest Waste Community something, people that actually run the waste management, they have a shortage of drivers. So it's not a matter of trying to be more eco-friendly or save money. They don't have the drivers.
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Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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Speaker 19: That's why.
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Speaker 4: That's an interesting insight, Ian. I know I've had our local bins, just our street missed a couple of times in the last month or two. It's never happened in any of the seven, eight years we've lived there previously, but it's happened a bit recently. And I wonder if there's something to that, that Ian's saying. If someone has a sick day, there's just no one there to fill the job. Let's go to Ross Trevor. Michael, good morning.
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Speaker 10: Good morning.
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Speaker 21: Stacey, your waste routine, do you do it as soon as you go outside? Because I find that the the sorting has to happen in the kitchen.
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Speaker 5: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 22: Into your bin.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 21: And then as soon as you do that, your mind has already programmed what to do to put into the bins. And I think that's probably one of the reasons why you're so efficient about it. It's one of the things I do, right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a green organics bin that we got from the council. The only thing with it, you have to make sure you empty it regularly because it does start to smell because it's got all the food scraps in it. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Michael, thank you. Yes, we'll revisit this conversation in a moment. But first, let's head to what is Undoubtedly the biggest and one of the saddest stories in Australia this year. Andrew McCormick for 7 News is in Wangaratta, the scene of an attack on the member for Indi, Helen Haynes, out front of her electoral office, reportedly unloading things from her car when she was struck, appears deliberately, by someone in an SUV. Andrew McCormick, good morning to you. The biggest question this morning is, do we know anything about the status, the health of Helen Haynes right now?
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Speaker 12: Morning Will, morning Stacey. The update is that she is still critical. The Prime Minister Anthony Albanese spoke with her husband Phil last night. She underwent surgery at the Alfred Hospital after she was airlifted from Wangaratta in the States North. to the Alfred Hospital with greater medical care that she needs. But she is in a critical condition after surgery last night. That's the latest update that we have. But here in Wangaratta, in Victoria's north, about three hours' drive from Melbourne north at her office, it is open, the road, back open to drivers this morning and foot traffic outside her office. Currently... just outside a cafe next door with the local mayor here as well and just chatting to... doing a few media commitments with her. But everyone absolutely shaken, not just in this country town here in Wangaratta and the 100,000 people in the Indi electorate. It's a big area, but it's certainly... definitely rocked to its core. And as I think a lot of Australians waking up this morning feeling a sense of shock that something like this could have happened.
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Speaker 5: What about the man who was apprehended at the scene, 43-year-old man from nearby? Any update on him? Is he still being questioned by police?
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Speaker 15: Yes.
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Speaker 12: It's understood that he'll undergo a mental health check. So, yes, he spent the night with police here in Wangaratta under custody. questions around his motives, obviously the number one question at this stage. And Anthony Albanese, just speaking a few minutes ago on Sunrise, was reluctant to label it that word terrorism. That certainly hasn't been labelled at this case, but it is certainly being treated as a deliberate attack. But the motive on what led to Sunrise this deliberate attack is still yet to be determined. Speaking to residents from the local area where this 43-year-old man is from, they don't really know much about him. And a lot of locals asking that question, who is this man and why would he do such a thing? But a lot of locals are actually quite unsure about who he was or what his motives may be. So that's still very much... forming part of the Victoria Police Investigation, which at the moment is involving the Joint Counterterrorism Team, which is the Australian Federal Police and ASIO as well.
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Speaker 4: Andrew, have you been able to firm up a story about a heroic barber that intervened and affected a citizen's arrest?
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Speaker 12: Quite incredible. Ricky Jeffries is his name, and I'm actually just watching, and he is back to work today, quite incredibly. He is cutting a local's hair. Ricky Jeffries, in his early 30s, is actually a father with three young kids, all under, I think, three and under, and he gave absolutely no... regard it all to his own safety, to help Helen, along with a number of other locals. But he pulled this driver out of the car and performed a citizen's arrest, which is quite remarkable, pulling a knife, a flick knife, believed to be from this 43-year-old male, and holding him down until police could arrive. So, yeah, quite remarkable. He's actually just chatting to the mayor at the moment. Quite an assuming man, quite humble. I spoke to his sister. He said he didn't want much attention, didn't want to draw any attention away from Helen's family, but I was very much thinking of them and just wanted to go about his business.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, wow.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's the Aussie spirit, isn't it? Can you tell us, Andrew, about Helen Haynes from an outsider's perspective from South Australia? She doesn't seem like an overly controversial political figure. She's obviously an independent MP, but we don't really know much about her.
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Speaker 12: No, she's not divisive at all. She's got quite a large electorate. But yes, certainly not, you know, certainly doesn't have the type of political rhetoric which would lead someone to an attack like this. Much love with a nurse and a midwife in her former career before she entered politics. And very much respected. And yeah, much, much love, not just around her electorate here, but certainly in the halls of power in Canberra.
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Speaker 4: Andrew, thank you for that. Andrew McCormick in Wangaratta this morning for Seven News. We'll revisit that story over the course of the morning and certainly bring you any updates as they do come to hand. Let's look at the sport picture because we're getting some clarity around how Gather Round might look next year. Agostina Mitsubishi's demo clearance is on now. Save on the Pajero Sport, ASX Triton, Outlander, Nailsworth. and Mawson Lakes. Jase Kemp joins us in the 5AA Breakfast Studio. Jase, good morning. Yeah, good morning to you both. This sounds like a potentially tantalising prospect. Yeah, blockbuster clash.
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Speaker 23: Looks like the AFL is considering this blockbuster clash between Port Adelaide and guess who? The Western Bulldogs. Zach Butter's new home. Looks like he could face his teammates pretty early on in the season. The question now is whether they open the gather round with it or they close it.
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Speaker 4: Traditionally it's been the Crows, isn't it? Traditionally it's been the Crows.
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Speaker 23: They've always opened gather round, but they're Now, considering this is such a, as you mentioned, tantalising fixture, that it could be a big talking point to sell Gather around next season.
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Speaker 4: Is that the only one we've got a leak at the moment? Is it only the Bulldogs' pool? We don't know any of the rest of the fixture. That's right.
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Speaker 23: They haven't finalised any of the rest of the fixture yet. So that's a little bit of a leak coming out. And of course, why wouldn't they consider it such a big talking point this season and for next season too?
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Speaker 5: Do they usually have a grand final replay as well?
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Speaker 11: Or is that maybe.
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Speaker 5: That's a good question.
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Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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Speaker 8: No. No.
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Speaker 4: That'd be a great game to see as well.
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Speaker 5: Just a little idea for the AFL from no one with any knowledge at all.
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Speaker 23: A bit of spice though, Zach Butters for his former teammates.
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Speaker 4: Zach Butters. I like that. I wonder what other potential sort of modern rivals you have. Could the Crows play Brisbane? He's missing out on Zach Bailey. Potentially. Could build the entire gather round around trade week. Doesn't have quite the same thing.
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Speaker 5: And Murray Davis staying around.
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Speaker 4: Murray Davis?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That's right. I like this concept.
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Speaker 23: Another big talking point, of course, is Nathan Van Berlo staying with the midfield group. If you went on Twitter last night, it was exploding.
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Speaker 4: So that's the other big talking point. So let's just track the timeline of this. The Crows announce, so the midfield's disappointing. They're not going to be able to get any upgrades during the trade period. Tried Zach Bailey, didn't work.
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Speaker 19: Zach?
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Speaker 4: Nathan Van Bellen said, carry to the midfield, he's going to move on. And Jordan Dawson, in his best effort speech, said, good luck with the Fords, VB. That's right. And then the press release comes out yesterday, and VB is coaching the midfield again.
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Speaker 23: Back to the future, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: What has happened there? They've clearly missed it.
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Speaker 23: Does it talk to more about how the Crows or the other SA clubs can't pull experience from interstate?
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Speaker 4: Feels a bit that way. Yeah, I think that's a totally reasonable point. Good to have you in, Jase.
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Speaker 23: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: Knock down. Build two. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
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Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
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Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: Well, our next guest in 2022 ran laterally across the country. In 2026 this year was named Young Australian of the Year. A remarkable athlete. an even better fundraiser, you've got to say, who's raised millions of dollars to combat homelessness in town this week for Ned's Uncomfortable Challenge. Ned Brockman, good morning to you and welcome to 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 8: Good morning, beautiful people.
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Speaker 12: How are you doing?
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Speaker 4: We're well, Ned. That's the up-and-go attitude I reckon you've got to have to run across the country. Tell us about the Uncomfortable Challenge. You know something about Uncomfortable Challenges.
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Speaker 8: Mate, that's it, yeah. So, well, Ned's Uncomfortable Challenge, yeah, I started it off the back of... the thousand mile run I did around city Olympic park athletics track, uh, two years ago. And I, I felt the, you know, the beautiful feelings of not hiding from your discomfort and wanting to do things for others. And I thought, why don't allow people to see what that feels like to set that up. Um, over the last three years, we've raised $ 10 million, uh, dollars towards that via people doing their own uncomfortable challenges.
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Speaker 13: And in this, third year of it.
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Speaker 8: We've got so many people partaking. We've already raised nearly $ 700, 000 since we started this year. Day one, as of now, it's not too late to sign up. You can sign up today. There's so many exciting things to do, but obviously it's what we're doing with it and the $ 700, 000 that hopefully will continue on to keep raising money goes to those experiencing homelessness in this country and To the team at We Are Mobilised, we're doing so much. So, yeah, we are in town. We're doing a run on Wednesday and I'm pumped to be back in Adelaide.
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Speaker 5: You've done so much to help with people sleeping rough and homelessness. I think you've raised over $ 10 million and this challenge as well. The funds will go towards that, as you just mentioned. What was it about homelessness that struck you? There are so many worthy causes out there.
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Speaker 4: Why that one?
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Speaker 8: I think we're all humans at the end of the day, and I think when you see someone on the street, I think it should profoundly affect us. I don't know why we put our heads in the sand when we see someone or when we talk about homelessness. It's an immediate thing to think it couldn't be us, so why would we care? And I think by highlighting it and understanding the turbulence and the volatile life some people have to live just by circumstance, if you then take space, hold space for people, you can really understand that no one chooses to be in that situation. So yeah, why not? Why not make it everyone's problem? Why not get people concerned about a future of those that we, you know, who knows? Housing affordability, cost of living prices, so many things lead someone in that situation. And I think we need to not be judgmental and be curious and understand why. And I think what's so cool about the Uncomfortable Challenge is seeing the way people are uniting in the willingness to help and divert the lives of so many people into an opportunity to have a safe roof over their head.
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Speaker 12: It's really, really special.
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Speaker 4: I was just looking at the website. You've almost raised three quarters of a million dollars already, aiming to raise some two million bucks. Are there any uncomfortable challenges that are particularly creative that you've liked so far, Ned? I'm sure lots of people are doing running or fitness-based challenges.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: What kinds of things have you heard people committing to?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been really cool to watch and the evolution of that over the years has been sick. But some people have, you know, stand-up comedy and definitely not comedians. You know, like just a guy putting it out there to tell people what to do. But, you know, wearing a wig in public, speaking a baby voice, sleeping rough for 10 nights, just doing things that you just don't see in the normal day-to-day and making them normal. Yeah. The more we have these conversations, the more we're willing to get uncomfortable intentionally, the easier it is when we're faced with the uncomfortable truths out of our control. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. It's such a great, fun message, and I feel so proud of everyone who's partaken in it and also my team behind it. For me, I'm sitting still for an hour. I'm putting the blindfold on, earmuffs in, and just sitting with my thoughts with no.
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Speaker 8: Sights of what's in front of me i observe a lot but i rarely sit in complete silence and silence and stillness and something i'm uh eager to to get to work out what's going to come on the other side.
00:25:26
Speaker 4: Of that makes sense for an ultra marathon runner sitting still would be the hard challenge i do i like that can i ask you then i always wonder you know anyone any of us that have ever tried to go out and do do social jogs or try to get into running and even when you're going well there are some days you go out you get into your second k and think to yourself I could just turn around or just go for a nice walk instead or bail out. You've obviously got a natural talent for this, but do you get those thoughts that creep into your head as well? Or are you just sort of built differently to the rest of us?
00:25:57
Speaker 8: No, it's not a built different. It's a conscious choice to show up in accordance with who you want to be every day. And if you can't look at yourself in the mirror at night and have the integrity to do what.
00:26:09
Speaker 12: You say you do, then you'll never... you'll never be able.
00:26:11
Speaker 8: To get through anything. So it comes down to my discipline and my commitment to my word. And if you say you're going to do something, you do it. And you can be relied upon. And I don't let the emotions dictate how I feel. I let my commitment to my word do.
00:26:24
Speaker 12: What it must do.
00:26:25
Speaker 8: And that's where it's led me to be. And I don't mean to be very serious on this. It is a very fun thing. But there is no secret sauce. It's your commitment to your word every day. And if you're willing to die by that statement, you'll be able to do anything.
00:26:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a more powerful thing than if you were just born in a way that none of this stuff worried you.
00:26:45
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think people want to say that so they don't look inward at their own existence. They want to go, oh, I think it's much easier to say, oh, he's a nutbag or he does this, he does.
00:26:55
Speaker 12: This, and he's built differently.
00:26:56
Speaker 8: But if you actually really look at it, it's a willingness to choose the uncomfortable every day. And that's why I chose the uncomfortable challenge to be a thing for people to choose. Because, yeah, if you don't do that, then you'll never face your truth.
00:27:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, well said. It's probably an uncomfortable concept, rounding it back to this whole thing for people to address probably as well.
00:27:15
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:27:15
Speaker 4: Well, that commitment, I imagine you'll get through however uncomfortable it might be sitting blindfolded for an hour each day and raising money for this wonderful cause, Ned.
00:27:22
Speaker 8: I appreciate you guys.
00:27:24
Speaker 4: Wonderful to chat with you, mate. Well done.
00:27:26
Speaker 12: Yeah, and you. I really appreciate it.
00:27:27
Speaker 8: Have a great day.
00:27:28
Speaker 4: Ned Brockman, the Young Australian of the Year. Continue to make people uncomfortable for the cause of recognising those who are most uncomfortable in society, the 122,000 people who'll be sleeping rough in Australia tonight. 13 minutes to 7. All right, let's head to the Weather Bureau and talk about the day ahead. Chris Kent has the details for us. Chris, good morning. Are we getting in a storm today? Yeah, morning, guys.
00:27:54
Speaker 24: Yeah, we've got a bit of sort of, yeah, overcast and drizzly conditions around Adelaide this morning.
00:28:01
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:28:02
Speaker 24: In terms of a thunderstorm, I think if we're going to see one, it was probably going to be sort of, yeah, around now.
00:28:06
Speaker 8: OK.
00:28:07
Speaker 24: I think the greatest chance of a storm, I think, is going to be sort of, yeah, east of the ranges now through the Murraylands and sort of, yeah, Riverland areas of the state. So, yeah, I think we're kind of, yeah, off the hook for a storm. Still possibly a bit of drizzly sort of weather still around this morning. Maybe even a shower sort of during the afternoon. But, yeah, I think... it's getting less likely we'll see a storm sort of around adelaide now.
00:28:35
Speaker 4: All right um and then we will get some warmth over the next few days won't we yeah.
00:28:40
Speaker 24: So the trough that moves through um today we'll see a brief um yeah reduction some of that um heat that we've um experienced the last couple of days so top of 23 degrees forecast uh in the other city today um We'll see some cloud around sort of over the next couple of days. But, yeah, like I said, temperatures will be on the climb as the winds turn back around to the other north again. 25 degrees tomorrow and reaching 31 by Thursday. So, yeah, it could be getting a little bit warm later in the week.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: All right, good stuff, Chris. Thank you, Chris Kent at the Bureau of Meteorology. Rob on the text line says, I tried running once, but after about 1K, I decided to work on my personality instead. Thank you, Rob.
00:29:23
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Rob.
00:29:26
Speaker 4: That's it to say, Paul. Senior Constable Daniel Isaacson joins us. Daniel, a couple of youths have been arrested in the city last night.
00:29:33
Speaker 25: Yeah, about 6.15 last night, police were alerted by a member of the public to two suspects attempting to steal a Kaimo modus on Woodson's Lane. Police quickly attended, located the suspects who attempted to run before they were caught nearby. The motor scooter was recovered, same with a screwdriver. A 16-year-old boy from Happy Valley and a 12-year-old boy from Hackham West were arrested and charged with interfering with a motor vehicle. The 16-year-old was refused bail and he's going to appear in the Adelaide Youth Court today, while the 12-year-old was bailed to attend the Adelaide Youth Court on December 12th. And we just want to thank the person who reported this when they did. It's really helped us to locate and arrest these two.
00:30:14
Speaker 5: And Daniel, am I reading this right? A man's been caught flashing at Parrafield West last night.
00:30:20
Speaker 25: A man has been slashed at Parrafield West. So this happened at 10 past 8 last night. Police and paramedics were called to a car park of a gym on Bridge Road at Parry Hills West after reports a man had been slashed with a knife. The suspect fled the scene prior to police arrival. The victim, a 30-year-old man from Elizabeth Grove, sustained a laceration to his leg and was taken to hospital and luckily his injuries are not life-threatening. Northern District CRB detectives and crime scene investigators attended the and assessed the scene. and police have searched several addresses overnight with inquiries continuing to locate this suspect. If anybody has any information on this, we'd just ask you to give us a call on Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000.
00:31:01
Speaker 4: And just lastly, Daniel, a suspicious car fire at Broadview.
00:31:07
Speaker 25: Yeah, this happened just after midnight this morning when police and fire crews were called to Francis Avenue after reports.
00:31:12
Speaker 6: Of a car fire.
00:31:14
Speaker 25: We attended and located a Hyundai sedan ablaze, and fire crews worked pretty hard to extinguish the blaze. However, the car was destroyed. We believe the fire was deliberately lit. And again, we're just asking if anybody has any information, give us a call on Crimestoppers 1-800-333-000.
00:31:29
Speaker 21: All right.
00:31:30
Speaker 4: Thank you for that, Senior Constable Daniel Isaacson there from Safe Bowl. Interesting little bit of weather context from our resident statsman, Ben Jordan. We had such a wet winter. I think we still think, oh, it's been really wet. Well, spring hasn't been. Past the midpoint of spring, says Ben, the fifth driest spring to October 20 on record, with just 23.4 millimetres of rain, the average is 85. What? And I still think, to me, it feels like it's been really wet this year because winter was quite wet. But no, spring has been really, really dry.
00:32:04
Speaker 5: Also, that's scary to think we're halfway through spring.
00:32:07
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's starting to feel like it with some of these really, really nice warm days.
00:32:12
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:32:13
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00:32:24
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00:32:33
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00:32:40
Speaker 4: Five minutes to seven. We're going to endeavor to chat with a former MP and a well-known reporter here in South Australia, Frank Pangelo, a little bit later in the morning. I received a text from him late last night with regard to efforts he had made whilst an MP to make the lives of MPs safer, having CCTV installed in their homes, for example, because of experiences he had as an MP and the very real and present danger that exists when you are a public figure, an elected public figure. He was very keen to push that again this morning, and we will certainly have him on to pursue that in light of what's transpired with Helen Haynes late yesterday. I don't expect these are the conversation is going to be having in every jurisdiction at the moment. What more can we do to keep politicians safe without stopping that beautiful thing we have in this country where they live in our community. We speak to them in the community. They hold street corner meetings that anyone can turn up to without a security guard in sight. Can you have both of those things? Can you be safe and still have those things that make Australian democracy unique? And I guess that's something we'll talk about with Frank a little bit later.
00:33:45
Speaker 5: It got quite heated during the election campaign. You've seen vision online from different MPs being targeted at their electoral offices, at polling booths. There's someone in court at the moment for that. So we've reached out to the government this morning to see if they have any plans to change any of the rules and protections for MPs here in South Australia. We'll see what they say about that.
00:34:09
Speaker 4: This is a great week for bird lovers, but everyone gets to be a bird lover this week because everyone's being encouraged to take part in BirdLife Australia's annual Aussie Bird Count. This is one of the country's biggest citizen science events, and the ask is pretty, frankly, I think it's probably good for everyone's mental health. What you do is you spend 20 minutes observing and recording the birds that you see in your backyard, in your local park. Kids can do it at school. Gazing out your workplace over lunch. You get an hour lunch break, you spend 20 minutes of just cataloguing all the birds you see, and this builds a nationwide snapshot of Australia's bird life. Sean Dooley is an expert from BirdLife Australia and joins us now.
00:34:47
Speaker 8: Morning, Sean.
00:34:48
Speaker 10: Good morning.
00:34:50
Speaker 4: What kind of things should people record for it to be of scientific interest? Do you need to really be across your bird species, for example?
00:35:00
Speaker 10: Well, no, this is the great joy of the Aussie Bird Campus. We've tried to make it as simple as possible, and we don't Like in BirdLife Australia's normal work, we've got staff and volunteers going out to remote areas or areas of high conservation value. But this is about getting a snapshot of the birds we see every day. And most people will know the magpie or the rainbow lorikeet or the blackbird or something like that. So we want to find out what people are seeing during their day. And with the Aussie Bird Count app that you use to do the count, It actually helps you identify the birds, the common birds, if you don't know what they are. It's got a feature where you can put in the details and it will tell you, show you images and descriptions of birds that occur in your area commonly that fit that description. So it's really about getting the bird lovers there, not necessarily the bird experts, although they're very welcome. Anyone who's got an interest in birds and likes to, as you say, it's just great to get out for 20 minutes and switch off the rest of the world and just connect with these beautiful creatures that we share our spaces with.
00:36:12
Speaker 5: So can you do it from anywhere? I know I love going to the park in the afternoons with my daughter and we see lots of magpies and rainbow lorikeets. Could we do it from there or does it have to be your home?
00:36:21
Speaker 10: Oh, no, absolutely anywhere. Obviously we want to find out what's in people's backyards and gardens, but you can literally do it anywhere. I've done Aussie bird counts while waiting for the trains. It's amazing what you can see hanging around the train station in the trees nearby or flying over. That's the great thing about birds is that they're literally everywhere we are. When you do 20 minutes, you plug into this world that's happening that's not full of the headlines and the bad news and all the grim stuff. It's actually just other creatures going about their business and you get to be part of it.
00:37:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a nice idea for people, but also obviously for the science of experts like you, Sean. Great to chat with you, Sean Dooley, BirdLife Australia expert. We live right next door to a park and looking out our window at the moment, it's like the Battle of Britain out there, spring with the noisy miners and the magpies going at it. And honestly, it's vicious. It's mother nature and it's most vicious out there at the moment, spring, because there's nests everywhere. Everyone's protecting their patch. I saw there's a whole family of ducks that we saw. My daughter and I went out and sat and we watched them for ages. They were just walking around the path. And one of the mothers would attack every single jogger that went past. Mother or father, I'm no duck expert, but honestly, it was like being in a National Geographic documentary out there at the moment. It's something to see.
00:37:49
Speaker 5: This is a great way of getting outside with the kids, with the grandkids. It's beautiful weather.
00:37:54
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
00:37:54
Speaker 5: Get out in the afternoon and spot all the birds. Get on the app.
00:37:57
Speaker 19: Log it.
00:37:57
Speaker 4: Good fun, and it's good for you. All right, 7 o'clock, 5AA news time. We'll bring you up to speed with the biggest stories in Australia next.
00:38:06
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00:38:22
Speaker 4: Six after seven. Good morning to you and welcome to Tuesday on 5AA Breakfast. If you're joining us for the very first time, Coming up on the program this hour, Phil Currie in the nation's capital. We have a jury trial just before 8 o'clock today. We're going to chat with the owners of Down South Bakery. This is extraordinary. We've spent a lot of time at breaks this morning trying to make sense of this. And maybe there's just no sense in it whatsoever. Down South Bakery is really successful. It burnt down. And the person accused of burning down in court has admitted that they did it. Because they were jealous because it was a rivalry and they couldn't have them being so successful in their neck of the woods. Just an absolute gobsmacking story.
00:39:04
Speaker 5: Bakery rivalry.
00:39:05
Speaker 4: Bakery rivalry.
00:39:07
Speaker 5: Is this next after the tobacco wars? Is it bakery wars?
00:39:13
Speaker 4: Well, tobacco at least is sort of fumbling money to organise crime. These people literally, their only crime is they made a pasty that was too delicious, presumably, or a vanilla slice or something or other. It's just outrageous. Anyway, we'll talk about that with the owners very, very shortly. You might be well aware of it, folks. You might be able to want to give them a shout out on the air because you know how popular it is and they need some support, the poor owners of that business. 8223 0000 or text us on 024808 1395. Without a doubt, though, the biggest and most awful story in Australia this morning came to us late yesterday where the Prime Minister confirmed Helen Haynes, the member for Indi, and we shouldn't blush past this, Indi's northeast Victoria federal seat that stretches at various times its border has actually almost stretched down to from where the Victorian New South Wales border meets in the northeast to the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. Massive sort of a regional seat. Helen Haynes deliberately run down whilst packing her car out front of her electorate office in her well-signed seat. Helen Haynes MP vehicle. She is an independent. And if you, like me, have spent any time reading about her positions politically, you'll find that she is the most traditional regional independent you could possibly imagine. There are no political positions that one can adopt that legitimise as being run down in a car. Let's just say that. Put that on the record. That said, there are certain issues that some people struggle with. and there are some people who struggle with politics, and certain issues trigger them in a way that they feel empowered to do awful things. Helen Haynes has held none of those positions.
00:40:55
Speaker 6: No.
00:40:55
Speaker 4: Prior to the last election, she said, I don't support Labor or Liberal. If it's a hung parliament, I'm the kind of regional independent that will make a decision based on what's best for the people of Indi. She is a believer in climate change, but is in parliament to make sure that the benefits or costs are fairly meted out on regional communities. She is a crusader for transparency in politics. She is a crusader for rooting out corruption. These are traditional independent things. There's nothing controversial about this person. Well regarded on both sides of politics.
00:41:33
Speaker 5: And I think at one point she reported voting 48% With either party.
00:41:38
Speaker 4: That's right. This is a down-the-line independent, as you can imagine. So if you're trying in your head to think, well, maybe it's hard to imagine, based on her political positions, that there is some sort of far-left, far-right opposition. We don't know. That will be teased out. As the Prime Minister said last night, there is anti-terrorism unit that have been engaged in this. ASIO has been engaged. He spoke again this morning on Sunrise just a short time ago.
00:42:04
Speaker 22: We know that there has been an increased... threats made to members of parliament. And we need to make sure, though, I think it's very important in a democracy such as ours that we cherish the fact that people can get out and about at community events, go to their local shops, engage at the local footy or netball courts on the side, engage with people. That's an important part of who we are.
00:42:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the big picture component of this debate. The more immediate concern is obviously about her wellbeing and the Prime Minister had as much of an update as we've already managed to get this morning.
00:42:46
Speaker 22: Melbourne remains in a critical condition. She was airlifted to Melbourne and she underwent surgery last night. but she remained in a critical condition.
00:42:58
Speaker 4: So now this is an active police investigation. The acting superintendent, Ashley Mason, spoke last night.
00:43:03
Speaker 26: This would have been a tragic, horrific incident for people to witness. We've got a 65-year-old female involved. We're treating this as a serious and critical incident and it will be thoroughly investigated by police.
00:43:16
Speaker 4: There was a remarkable act of heroism in and around this. We had a chat with Andrew McCormick from Seven News in Wangaratta this morning, which is where this transpired, who spoke about a barber in his 30s who was first on the scene dragged the bloke the 43 year old who now stands accused of this out of his car restrained him police later found the guy had a knife on him by the way the barber who is a father of three young kids three under three three under three he's got a bit on his plate didn't gave no thought for his own wellbeing, went out and affected a citizen's arrest. He's back cutting hair in Wangaratta this morning.
00:43:50
Speaker 5: Already working.
00:43:51
Speaker 4: Put up his sister to speak to the media because he's not interested in it. This bloke is going to come out of this as an absolute hero. A remarkable component of that story and we will continue to follow it over the course of the morning for any updates. But it's just the kind of political violence that we kind of perhaps naively hope we would never have to contemplate in Australia.
00:44:10
Speaker 5: And you're right. We have at the moment such good access to our MPs. You can have street corner meetings. I mean, the Premier held a meeting in his seat not too long ago, and the biggest concern was some of the tree protesters might turn up and try and ask too many questions about that event. And so far, that largely has been the biggest concern in South Australia.
00:44:33
Speaker 27: And this happening just over the border shifts the narrative.
00:44:36
Speaker 4: Well, we have, as you mentioned, Stace, we have put in a request to the state government just to see whether this shifts the goalposts for them, whether they're going to look at additional security for MPs and so forth. A state government spokesperson has told us the safety and security of members of parliament is taken extremely seriously and SAPOL continually reviews security arrangements and threat assessments to ensure appropriate measures are in place. These arrangements are regularly assessed and adjusted as necessary based on the latest intelligence. So no change there yet. Obviously, it's early. Frank Pangelo, who we'll speak to a little bit later, has tried to champion this based on his own experiences. He said we need to be doing more to protect MPs. So we'll get his view on that a little bit later in the morning.
00:45:13
Speaker 5: And there is as well, as we've reported not too long ago, a federal MP, Leah Blyth, who at times has been escorted by a federal police officer or private security because of alleged apparent threats made to her. So this is not something that is, the security of MPs is always considered, but I guess does this incident change the way it's considered?
00:45:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, does it change the calculation? Other news around this morning, a man was attacked at a gym in Parra Hills West overnight.
00:45:46
Speaker 28: A major investigation has been launched after a man was attacked in Adelaide's North East overnight. A man was allegedly assaulted at Anytime Fitness on Bridge Road in Parry Hills West after eight last night. He's now been taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Officers were seen interviewing witnesses in the ongoing investigation to determine exactly what happened.
00:46:08
Speaker 4: And for those that have been following the search for the long-missing Amelia Earhart's plane, one of the great aviation mysteries in history, that mystery, as of this morning... remains a mystery. Here is Project Director Rick Pettigrew from Purdue University.
00:46:23
Speaker 29: We can say now, after the conclusion of our work, the dry object did not or does not represent the wreckage of Amelia Earhart's electric aircraft. Instead, we think it's most likely that the object was a collection of debris that accumulated here.
00:46:40
Speaker 4: You might recall that this was the lead that was found by a retired US Navy officer who was just mucking around on Google Maps and he zoomed in on this this Pacific Island chain and went, that looks like the shadow of a plane. A few other scientists said it's probably palm trees.
00:46:56
Speaker 5: Yeah. Would a plane still be intact like that after so many years?
00:47:01
Speaker 4: Apparently not. Well, not this one anyway.
00:47:03
Speaker 5: Not this one.
00:47:05
Speaker 4: So that was a little bit disappointing.
00:47:08
Speaker 5: That was fun for a while.
00:47:09
Speaker 4: It was fun. It was fun to think we might have that mystery solved. I'm always torn with these things. I love that there are unsolved mysteries still in the world because we're fast approaching a time where nothing will be mysterious. But at the same time, it would have been cool if this is how they found it, just a guy on Google Maps just looking around at places.
00:47:24
Speaker 5: How good is AI yet?
00:47:26
Speaker 4: Could we say just- To find Amelia Hart's plane.
00:47:29
Speaker 5: Just find the plane. Just search underwater, microscopic.
00:47:33
Speaker 4: My fear is that that probably will happen one day. There'll be no more mysteries. Everything will just be one prompt away from being discovered, which is kind of- Imagine the day.
00:47:43
Speaker 5: We find out who was swimming, holding the Loch Ness Monster above their head, scaring people, and who was pretending to be Bigfoot dressed up in an outfit because AI's worked it out. I love that.
00:47:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. No more mysteries.
00:47:57
Speaker 5: We find out it was just someone's dad playing a prank on them.
00:48:01
Speaker 4: That looks like it could well be the future. There's a four-car pileup on Port Wakefield Road too that people need to be aware of heading city-bound. One lane is blocked, Mark. Thank you for that. Shall we do some texts? A lot of texts on Helen Haynes. A bit of scepticism around the concept of more security for MPs as a result of this attack too.
00:48:18
Speaker 28: Yeah.
00:48:19
Speaker 5: This was after you mentioned Frank Pangelo's idea to increase security for MPs, including CCTV at their homes. Linda says, MPs get paid big bucks. Why can't they pay for their own home security cameras?
00:48:36
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:48:37
Speaker 5: And Rob says, so I can put CCTV cameras up for my own safety, so can my neighbours. We're average earners. But, oh, no, the politicians on triple figures need taxpayer money to pay for their personal safety. How about you pay your own way if you're that worried?
00:48:52
Speaker 4: Okay. So there would be two things I would say to that. One is by the nature of their work, if this is the– let's assume that we are heading in the same way the rest of the world has with this kind of stuff. Okay, it's a big leap. And then the nature of the work puts you in harm's way then, would be one thing I'd say.
00:49:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, because of what you do that you can be targeted.
00:49:12
Speaker 4: And the second thing I'd say, don't complain about getting spud MPs if you can earn more in the private sector where- half the population doesn't hate you by nature of your political affiliation and you're never going to be physically in harm's way. Okay? Well, how much more do we need to disincentivise this as a path for the really talented people? You always get ideologues or little kings and queens that want to rule and Those people that are wired that way will always go into politics. But if you want really talented, exceptional people that have alternates, other options, I don't know how much we need to disincentivise this as a career path.
00:49:49
Speaker 5: And for the most part, MPs are just good people who wanted to make change and get into Parliament to do so.
00:49:54
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:49:57
Speaker 5: Andrew said, when I heard about the Amelia Earhart possible plane discovery on an island, it brought back visions of Gilligan's Island.
00:50:06
Speaker 4: Skipper and Marianne. That'd be something.
00:50:09
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:50:10
Speaker 5: Lots of people commenting on the nature of politics at the moment and the polarisation and different MPs and parties targeting different people. And I guess it all does play into the rhetoric around how we perceive and how we treat MPs. The nature of the political spectrum.
00:50:29
Speaker 4: If you describe people as evil or dehumanise people, there is a very small percentage of the population that can't compute that. And they feel... like any action is legitimised as a result. Not most people.
00:50:43
Speaker 5: They feel empowered in their views and there'll be a small portion of the population who translate that into action.
00:50:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right. 19 minutes after seven, I'm going to check traffic. Speaking of just difficult to understand motivations, the poor old bakery that got burnt down by their less successful rivalry. We're going to be chatting with the owners of the Down South Bakery on the other side. of the break. Let's check traffic.
00:51:10
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00:51:18
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:51:22
Speaker 4: 23 after 7, as Stacey said earlier, we've become somewhat accustomed to tobacco wars in South Australia. Not bakery wars, though. Have a listen to this story as told by Deanna Williams on 7 News last night.
00:51:35
Speaker 20: The 49-year-old father of three apologised through his lawyer, saying, I won't be doing any other silly things, with his son watching on. Were you shocked when you'd learnt that he'd burnt the place down?
00:51:46
Speaker 8: What have you got to say on his behalf?
00:51:49
Speaker 4: Do you support him?
00:51:50
Speaker 20: Maramas says he's accepted his fate, just wants to do his time, and when released, reunite with his estranged wife and extended family.
00:52:00
Speaker 4: The very popular Down South Bakery at Lonsdale was the victim of this story, that there was that admission in court yesterday, that they were targeted and burnt down because they were too popular. Tim Anson and Lauren Thor, who run the Down South Bakery, Join us on 5AA Breakfast. Now, Tim, Lauren, good morning to you.
00:52:22
Speaker 14: Howdy, Howie.
00:52:23
Speaker 7: How you going, guys?
00:52:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're well. Was that a revelation to you? Did you suspect any motive in this case? Or was that quite a shock to you, that coming out in court yesterday?
00:52:36
Speaker 7: We knew pretty early on when they arrested him. But even then, it was a complete shock to us when we found out.
00:52:47
Speaker 19: Yeah, we'd had no interaction with the business down the road. We didn't even know his name or what he looked like or anything. And we weren't even aware that there was any kind of competition. We kind of have always just done our own thing and not really worried about what's going on with the rest of Lonsdale. And, yeah, to find out that it was another cafe, especially someone so close in the community, it was pretty rough.
00:53:15
Speaker 30: Yeah.
00:53:16
Speaker 5: So what's the situation now? Have you been able to reopen?
00:53:20
Speaker 7: We're still in the situation of insurance. We are rebuilding, and it's just taking a very lengthy time, as insurance does. We're still learning all that and trying to navigate our way through it all, but we will definitely be rebuilding. It all got burnt down to the ground, so it's going to take a little bit. But yeah, we're a good halfway through it.
00:53:45
Speaker 4: Okay. So you're rebuilding at the same spot?
00:53:48
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:53:48
Speaker 4: Okay. What was your, what drove your popularity down there? Because everywhere you're online, I read about you guys. People rave about the joint. What was your, did you have a signature pie or a pasty or some sort of, you know? They were all pretty popular.
00:54:03
Speaker 7: They were all quite, the pies and pasties were always bread and butter. We do a, fairly big-sized pie and because there's a lot of tradies down there, that's kind of the things they want. We do bigger-sized donuts and, yeah, we just really concentrate on quality and flavour and we do our best and we just, you know, really put our best foot forward and, yeah.
00:54:28
Speaker 19: Lonsdale is a pretty awesome little community. Like, it's a lot of businesses, a lot of tradies. So our staff, we've always been... on point with getting to know our community. And I'd say a good 80 to 90% of our customers were everyday regulars. So yeah, I think they appreciate that as well. The fact that we always took time out to get to know everyone and remember people's orders and all of that. And it does make a difference when you're in a rush on the way to a job site or, you know, things like that.
00:55:03
Speaker 6: So, yeah.
00:55:03
Speaker 7: And we had the best coffee too.
00:55:05
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:55:06
Speaker 5: It's making me hungry hearing about large pies and big donuts.
00:55:10
Speaker 4: Everyone said this about you guys. So, it's just so sad we're talking you under the, where the circumstances are that as a result of your success and how popular you were, that put someone's nose out of joint, which is just hard to wrap your head around. Yeah, it took a while to soak in that.
00:55:25
Speaker 19: Yeah.
00:55:26
Speaker 4: Well, good luck in the rebuild, guys. And I've no doubt those, 80, 90% of those repeat customers will be back. And I reckon you might pick up a few more as well in the process. So all the best to you.
00:55:36
Speaker 7: Thank you very much.
00:55:37
Speaker 5: Keep us updated on the rebuild.
00:55:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you reopen.
00:55:39
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah. We'll be advertising really hard when we open. So, yeah, we'll keep everyone posted. All right, good stuff.
00:55:46
Speaker 4: All right, fantastic. Well, good luck getting it all back up and running. Tim Anson and Laura Thor, who sound lovely. You know, build a business the right way. Spending time in the business, meeting customers, getting a great reputation. Building a rapport, yeah. And then something like that happens. You just never think in a million years. You're going into the world of baking.
00:56:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:56:06
Speaker 5: You're thinking about the next arson attack because we're too good?
00:56:09
Speaker 19: No.
00:56:10
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:56:10
Speaker 5: But also, this guy told the court, I won't be doing any more silly things. Silly is probably a bit of an understatement.
00:56:17
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:56:18
Speaker 4: Silly?
00:56:18
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:56:18
Speaker 4: He wasn't letting a firecrackers and a fun got out of hand.
00:56:21
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:56:22
Speaker 4: Unbelievable story.
00:56:23
Speaker 5: There's a father in his 40s. I mean, anyone knows better than that?
00:56:27
Speaker 4: But come on.
00:56:28
Speaker 8: Silly?
00:56:29
Speaker 4: I'm just embarrassing. All right, 5AA News is on the way. Phil Currie in the nation's capital next.
00:56:36
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:56:44
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:56:52
Speaker 4: 22 minutes to 8, Phil Currie in the nation's capital. Very shortly, we'll ask him about Helen Haynes and the horrific attack yesterday. The latest is that she is still in a critical condition. Underwent surgery last night, but no further update on her condition so far this morning. A few people with some texts with regard to the Down South Bakery being targeted in an arson attack by a rival. This was admitted in court yesterday. Matt says Down South Barricade, one of the great Lonsdale businesses. Southern Steel staff wish you the best. I'm sure the owners that we spoke to a moment ago will be Tim and Lauren will know the Southern Steel staff. And Joe, this is a good idea. Joe says, Down South Bakery should be allowed to have the perpetrator's property while theirs is being rebuilt.
00:57:35
Speaker 30: I love that.
00:57:36
Speaker 4: It's just down the road.
00:57:37
Speaker 5: That's a great call by Joe.
00:57:39
Speaker 4: Joe, I think you're onto something. All right, let's head to Canberra. Phil Currie, the political editor of the Australian Financial Review, joins us. Phil, good morning to you. Just an unthinkable act of violence late yesterday has certainly change what we're going to be talking about this morning. Helen Haynes, I was going through, Stacey and I were talking about this earlier, going through her catalogue of positions on all manner of things and the seat of Indi and what she's run on there as an independent. Not that there's any political position that justifies someone being hit by a car, but this was an entirely inoffensive and well-regarded MP, Phil.
00:58:12
Speaker 6: A hundred percent. I'm just writing that very thing now. I mean, of all the people in this building, Will, Stacey, Helen is probably the, you know, she has this rare status that everyone likes her. Like she's a lovely person. She's a very kind, gentle, intelligent lady. She's an independent for a country seat. She's not, she doesn't, even if you wanted to do something controversial, she doesn't have the numbers to do it. She's never been associated with any sort of controversy or, you know, she's, and I think that's what makes it more shocking. There's this sort of sense that this has been coming, you know, this has been warned of politicians and, Federal police in Asia have been warning for years now that something like this was going to happen because of the sort of insanity in society fueled by social media. But now that it has happened, people are still completely horrified and shocked, and more so because it's Helen. um you know she's such a nice person like she's the last person anyone would target for anything um so I guess everyone wants to know who this joker is who did it and what the motive was there's some stuff floating around now on social media someone's identified his license plate and and named him and stuff and he seems to be a bit of an activist but not you know not terribly so so uh we'll just have to wait and see what the police say later today but it's um Yeah, it's one of these situations where everyone's just completely horrified but no one quite knows what to do because you can't protect MPs all the time. They've got to go about their business. There's already so many who now have close protective details than used to, but Helen's probably the last person who ever thought she needed one.
00:59:48
Speaker 5: Well, we're hearing from other MPs this morning. Bridget McKenzie has come out saying she's received death threats and Did I read? I'm reading the ABC News website now, Phil. The Prime Minister has said that the man who was driving the car allegedly did a U-turn.
01:00:05
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what the eyewitnesses saw. So he lived at a place called Tarawindji, which is about 15km outside of Wangaratta. And the eyewitnesses said he drove past. Helen was unloading the boot of her car. She'd parked outside her electorate office. I was taking something out the back of the car, and he did a U-turn and came around and rammed into her. That's what the witnesses saw. Suffered horrific injuries to her legs. They flew her to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne last night. Just been an update. She's critical but stable. But, yeah, we just don't know. I mean, if you're religious, I suggest you pray. That's what everyone's saying around here.
01:00:46
Speaker 19: Just....
01:00:47
Speaker 4: I guess the big picture questions now, Phil, and our listeners have been having this conversation this morning about whether is this the sort of event that now changes how politicians around this country engage with the public? Because we've enjoyed a remarkable degree of access, street corner meetings and press conferences that has turned out in the open. Is this the kind of moment that shifts things, do you think?
01:01:11
Speaker 6: Well, it will start that debate again. I mean, they've already been having this debate, Will, because of the nature of the threats MPs get, state and federal. I mean, as Tony Burke said last night, I mean, the Prime Minister gets like three a day, death threats a day. Pauline Hanson gets almost the same. It's not left, right or whatever. It's far left and far right people doing this sort of stuff. When I first came to Canberra back in whenever it was, almost 30 years ago, the only politician who had a close protective detail other than the Prime Minister, I think at the time was Philip Ruddock, he was the Immigration Minister and they were doing all that Nauru stuff and everything and he had some threats. Nowadays, I'd say more than half of them have them, you know, because of the threats against them. So, you know, as Albanese and the rest of them say, one of the good things about our system of politics, you can go down the Westfield at Marion on a Saturday morning and And your local MP might be there at a card table, you know, prepared to listen to your grievances or come knocking on your door. This sort of business becomes commonplace. That's all going to stop. You know, they'll be locked up, you know, in their offices. And we can't allow that to become normalized. I mean, you remember, like, say, just a couple of years ago after all the blab over Israel and Palestine, you know, where MPs' offices were being ransacked in Melbourne, you know, and And other politicians were sort of, you know, saying this is good, this is an acceptable form of protest. Well, it's not, right? So, and one thing leads to another. It's not okay to, you know, beat up someone's office and terrorise their staff. And, you know, if you sort of accept those things, then you start to, you know, other forms of behaviour become acceptable. So, our suspicion is in this case with Helen Haynes, it's a sort of one-off lunatic. But, you know, if a one-off lunatic feels emboldened by the general environment, that's not good enough.
01:03:02
Speaker 10: So.
01:03:03
Speaker 6: So, yeah, if any good comes out of this, it's a bit of a reality check on everything.
01:03:08
Speaker 4: The rest of the political picture sort of pales in insignificance when we contemplate this, but there are some other things knocking around too that I want to address with you. You wrote yesterday about the potential, or at least Pauline Hanson wanting to be on the debate stage at the next federal election lead-up. Do you think– is this going to happen, Phil?
01:03:26
Speaker 6: Well, it's to be decided because if you know when you have an election campaign and you have a number of debates– It's always the opposition leader and the prime minister. And the opposition leader is defined by the leader of the party with the next most amount of seats. And in this case, it's still very much Angus Taylor. I mean, the coalition still has 41 seats. One Nation only has two. But I was sort of talking to Pauline last week. We're actually talking about the Victorian election because that's in November 28. And it's a similar situation down there. You've got the premier and then the liberal leader with about 29 seats. Then One Nation actually doesn't have any. but they're polling the same amount as Labour, and the Labour Party down there says the One Nation leader should be part of the debate. Now, the Liberal Party says, no, that's just because you want to have him on the stage next to us and conflate him with the Liberal Party and use it to damage us, so they're not going to accept it. But Pauline Hanson said, well, look, she was actually sort of quite, not humble, but she said, look, if we're still out polling the Liberals come the next federal election, then I should be up there. So that's her caveat. But I suspect that angus taylor wouldn't want her up there for the same reason and then the thing with the debates is that oh they're like they're like they really are hurting cats i mean you've got to negotiate with the network and then what they want and then what the leaders want and if someone disagrees then it's not going to happen so it would have to be you would it would have to be accepted by both you know the albanese taylor presuming both of them are still leaders at the time and uh as well as the host network so it'll be one of those, you know, mindless arguments where they have to come the next election campaign, I'm sure.
01:05:00
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:05:01
Speaker 5: The perception has always been that, not that a debate favours the opposition, but it gives them a pedestal, a platform to be seen on the same level as the Premier or Prime Minister.
01:05:11
Speaker 22: That's right.
01:05:11
Speaker 5: So to then have a third party.
01:05:12
Speaker 6: Well, that's true. And, well, you know, it sort of gives Hanson that equal status, which, you know, it's the first time we've had to confront this because her poll numbers are huge. And let's say the election was this week, but, At the same time, her representation in Parliament is minuscule, so which one is the guiding factor to be decided, I suspect.
01:05:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating. Phil, really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you for that.
01:05:37
Speaker 6: No problem.
01:05:37
Speaker 4: Phil Currie, the political editor of the Australian Financial Review. There's been some identification made on social media that Phil pointed to at the start, and there's people saying, why won't you talk about that? Because there are rules around when... Crimes are alleged to have happened, and if idiot blowhards jump on the radio and start saying names and identifying people and assuming motives and whatnot, it can prejudice a trial and justice cannot be done. That's why we don't talk about these things. A few people are texting going, what are you trying to do?
01:06:10
Speaker 5: This guy's name has been reported online based on the registration of the car. We don't know that. The car may have been stolen. It may not have.
01:06:19
Speaker 4: We don't know.
01:06:20
Speaker 5: There are so many question marks still up in the air. So we're not going to be the ones to name someone on the radio and it end up not being correct.
01:06:27
Speaker 4: The process for people that don't know the process is the police will make an identification. at some point, and then people can talk about that.
01:06:33
Speaker 5: Someone will appear in court.
01:06:34
Speaker 4: Someone will appear in court.
01:06:35
Speaker 5: Their name will be made public.
01:06:36
Speaker 4: Exactly. You've done some court rounds as well in your time, haven't you?
01:06:40
Speaker 22: Yeah.
01:06:40
Speaker 4: That's the process. That's why it takes– there's a delay. There's no conspiracy. No one's protecting anyone except the course of justice is what's being protected because imagine if justice couldn't be done because of what people came online– because people broadcast things that were unsubstantiated. So that's the explosion for that in case you're texting in this morning. We're going to check traffic and we're going to come back with a trial by jury in just a moment. Seven minutes to eight. We've got $ 100 worth of Sam Test seafood to give away. If you'd like to be part of our jury, you can get calling right now on 8223 0000. You don't even need to wait to hear what the topic is. You can just be on the line and ready to render your verdict. You remain totally anonymous and in the process stand to win a whole heap of fish, which is excellent. There's a car on its side causing delays on Fullerton Road and Crossroad, according to a text we've just received in. So that's something to be wary of this morning. And I think Rob, the most accurate, description of people's rush to judgment in these sorts of Helen Haynes-style cases. There's people bursting to say, I told you it was a loony lefty or a far-right conspiracy nut or an immigrant just to confirm their views. Confirm their own views, yeah. Yeah, that's right. There's a little bit of that that's going on as well. Seven minutes to eight. The jury topic comes to us by way of a discussion. It started at 6.05 this morning. The Nord Payneham St. Peter's Council– actually, I should rephrase that. Sandy Wilkinson, a councillor on the Nord Payneham St. Peter's Council, wants that council to follow the trial in Unley, and we think Holdfast Bay as well, where your general waste bin, the red bin in those councils, will no longer be collected weekly, but it would become fortnightly, and then your green organic waste bin would become the weekly connection. The council makes the point that... Sandy Wilkinson makes the point, rather, that that would save the council money and it's also better for the environment. Now, we don't want to ask you about the merits of that for the jury this morning. Rather, something that came up in our conversation after six, putting your excess waste in the neighbour's bin.
01:08:59
Speaker 5: Yay or nay?
01:09:00
Speaker 4: Yay or nay? Acceptable or unacceptable? Because Marge called in, I don't want to fit up Marge, but Marge said she's having basically a dispute with a neighbour about stuff put in the bin. She's put it back on their driveway. Other people have said, look, it's... the kind of thing you do at 2am under cover of darkness.
01:09:17
Speaker 5: It feels like it's wrong.
01:09:18
Speaker 4: It feels like it's wrong, but it's widespread. And other people text and say, no, this is a sign of a street with a great sense of community. Acceptable or unacceptable? Putting rubbish in the neighbour's bin for the $ 100 worth of Samtas Seafood. Get calling right now, 8223 0000.
01:09:32
Speaker 5: Little tip, if you win the Samtas Seafood voucher, because there's nothing worse than seafood.
01:09:39
Speaker 4: Leftovers in the bin, freeze it.
01:09:43
Speaker 5: Any prawn shells or oyster shells, we always put in the freezer at Christmas time and then put them in the bin on bin day.
01:09:49
Speaker 4: So they last a little bit.
01:09:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they don't smell. So they don't stink out the bin if it's not getting picked up for a week.
01:09:54
Speaker 4: You are so community-minded, Stacey.
01:09:57
Speaker 8: Lee.
01:09:57
Speaker 4: You've got the organics all sorted.
01:09:59
Speaker 5: I just like to talk rubbish. Just talk a lot of trash.
01:10:02
Speaker 4: You might be the most organised rubbish person I've ever met. Remarkable.
01:10:07
Speaker 16: It's just a little tip.
01:10:07
Speaker 4: Your degree of community concern is commendable.
01:10:10
Speaker 9: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain, or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:10:23
Speaker 8: All right.
01:10:23
Speaker 4: Putting rubbish in the neighbour's bin. Let's put this to the test. We know it goes on. Everyone does it like they've committed a crime. Sneak out there in the middle of the night. Jury number one, acceptable or unacceptable?
01:10:36
Speaker 12: Acceptable.
01:10:38
Speaker 21: You know, if you've got good neighbours, they don't mind you putting your rubbish.
01:10:41
Speaker 30: As long as it's the night before the bins are taken.
01:10:44
Speaker 4: Yes, good point. Yeah, there is a statute of limitations on that, isn't it? If you do it three days before, people will look at you weird. Juror number two, good morning.
01:10:52
Speaker 13: Of course it's acceptable.
01:10:53
Speaker 10: Good neighbours.
01:10:54
Speaker 11: They're all supposed to help each other.
01:10:57
Speaker 30: You don't want a smelly street.
01:10:59
Speaker 4: Thank you, juror number two. Juror number three, acceptable or unacceptable?
01:11:03
Speaker 6: It's acceptable.
01:11:04
Speaker 8: If it's not acceptable, you're not mates with your neighbours.
01:11:07
Speaker 10: And if you're not mates with your neighbours, that's on you. Yeah.
01:11:10
Speaker 5: I like that.
01:11:11
Speaker 4: There's something in that for all of us. Joe, number four, good morning.
01:11:15
Speaker 14: I think it's acceptable. In fact, years ago, when I was a drinker, we used to steal bottles from each other's bins to see whose bin was the loudest. And whoever made the loudest noise in the morning won.
01:11:29
Speaker 4: That really is community spirit. That's great. Gerard, number five, acceptable or unacceptable?
01:11:34
Speaker 10: Acceptable.
01:11:35
Speaker 11: I share my verge with my neighbours.
01:11:38
Speaker 19: We live in a cul-de-sac.
01:11:39
Speaker 8: We put each other's bins in and out, and it's free reign on every night for filling.
01:11:45
Speaker 14: Up the bins.
01:11:45
Speaker 4: That's good. That's great. I think cul-de-sacs naturally have a greater degree of community. I don't know why. It's just the geography of it. You're sort of facing each other.
01:11:53
Speaker 5: No way out.
01:11:54
Speaker 4: No way out. You're all in this together. Jury number six, good morning.
01:11:59
Speaker 17: Oh, good morning.
01:12:00
Speaker 19: Unacceptable.
01:12:01
Speaker 7: I'm a man of a bad mind.
01:12:03
Speaker 10: I wash it out and don't deodorise it. Nobody's supposed to put their rubbish.
01:12:08
Speaker 11: In my bin.
01:12:09
Speaker 4: Thank you, jury number six.
01:12:11
Speaker 5: Wash the street bin out.
01:12:12
Speaker 8: You know what?
01:12:13
Speaker 4: If you're deodorising your bin... I mean, you do have some sense of community, don't you? Because you're not going to have a stinky bin.
01:12:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's true.
01:12:20
Speaker 4: Jura number seven, good morning.
01:12:21
Speaker 11: Good morning.
01:12:22
Speaker 10: There you go.
01:12:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, unacceptable or acceptable using the neighbour's bin?
01:12:27
Speaker 10: With permission, acceptable.
01:12:28
Speaker 4: Okay. Okay. There's a little bit of a caveat on that. Yeah, with permission. With permission, acceptable. Jura number eight might be our last one.
01:12:36
Speaker 29: Good morning.
01:12:37
Speaker 4: Good morning.
01:12:38
Speaker 1: Good morning, Will. Acceptable. Last night, our neighbours who are foreigners come to us. They had a festival of flowers the night before and they totally filled our green bin with flowers.
01:12:53
Speaker 11: Why not?
01:12:54
Speaker 1: Unless your bin's smelling, you know, like perfume and It's all clean and rosy. Why would you not share with your neighbours? Let's get back to the old times.
01:13:03
Speaker 4: Good stuff. Thank you, jury number eight. So I think that was illuminating because there seems to be, based on the scientific sample that was our jurors, broad acceptance.
01:13:12
Speaker 13: Yep.
01:13:13
Speaker 4: That said, we all act like we're doing something wrong. So maybe this is the big moment for everyone using each other's bin.
01:13:18
Speaker 5: Just be proud.
01:13:19
Speaker 4: We'll be empowered.
01:13:19
Speaker 5: Get out and proud.
01:13:20
Speaker 4: That's right.
01:13:21
Speaker 5: Use each other's bins freely. You don't have to do it in the dark of night.
01:13:23
Speaker 4: You don't need to be shamed.
01:13:25
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:13:25
Speaker 4: Except some people think you should ask first. Yep, that's fair. And there's a couple that say, I don't want any of your stinky stuff in my bin. Who wins the $ 100 worth of Samtas Seafood?
01:13:34
Speaker 5: I think juror number three comments about not having a smelly street. Just share it. It's the neighbourly vibe.
01:13:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that. $ 100 worth of Samtas Seafood is coming your way, juror number three. For the best quality seafood and best prices, Samtas Seafood's open seven days. Factory Direct, Richmond Road at Richmond. I'm on top of the world.
01:13:54
Speaker 2: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:14:02
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:14:04
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:14:11
Speaker 4: Nine minutes after eight, break at eight, coming up in just a moment. And then we're going to have a chat with Councillor Sandy Wilkinson, whose idea is... inspired our jury this morning and indeed a conversation we had at 6 o'clock today with regard to swapping the red and green bin collection in the Nord Payne and St Peter's Council area. There's a component of this story that we've just got an answer on, Stacey, that's really interesting because we had some confusion in talking about this. The Councillor had said for a permanent change to happen in the Council area, it would require a change of law from the Environment Minister. Emily Burke, we've been in touch with the minister's office, who said that is the case. It got us thinking, well, in your neighbourhood it's already happening.
01:14:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a trial underway for certain suburbs in the Unley Council, and I know because I've spoken to the council in Holdfast Bay in the Glenelg area. They've been doing this for years, and I looked up just how long they've been doing it since 2020, but it's been under a trial banner.
01:15:09
Speaker 4: So it's been a six-year trial.
01:15:10
Speaker 5: A six-year trial banner. It's called FOGO, fortnightly organics something. So the fortnightly pickup of your rubbish bin, weekly pickup of your organics bin.
01:15:22
Speaker 4: So it's a trial.
01:15:23
Speaker 5: It's a trial for six years.
01:15:26
Speaker 4: So is there any government scrutiny of these trials?
01:15:30
Speaker 5: So the government has said, yes, any permanent change would require a statewide change of policy, which they're not contemplating. So they're not going to change it.
01:15:39
Speaker 4: No, but they're not going to enforce.
01:15:40
Speaker 5: Councils can continue doing it under the banner of a trial.
01:15:43
Speaker 4: You can trial it indefinitely. You can't change it permanently. Work that out. Copper Coast too. The council have a similar thing in place at the moment. What's the value of that regulation if you can just trial for the rest of eternity? Bizarre. We'll be talking about the merits of the idea itself with Sandy Wilkinson very shortly. But first, it's time to go breaking it up.
01:16:06
Speaker 5: The Stop the Chop court case... Well, that's come to an end. This is in relation to the North Adelaide golf course. There were still grounds for appeal or there was still an option for appeal and there's still a decision to be made around costs and who would foot the bill for the public servant who took the legal action against the government because, you know, the public servant in this case, Edwin, his name is, he said, that he shouldn't have to pay for it because it would bankrupt him and the other person who took the legal action against the government, Ms Millar. They were saying it would bankrupt us and there is public interest in this case. We have nothing to gain and everything to lose from it. So they're saying it shouldn't be on to the taxpayer. It should be on the taxpayer to foot their bill. They want the taxpayer to pay for them to take the government to court. A decision on this was meant to be made in the next couple of days. So the government had to make a call about whether or not they were going to ask taxpayers to foot the bill or make these two individuals pay for their own legal costs. I understand that the government has made an offer to the other party.
01:17:25
Speaker 27: Of $ 150, 000.
01:17:26
Speaker 5: So to foot that component of the legal bill?
01:17:29
Speaker 4: If the other parties pay. $ 150, 000.
01:17:34
Speaker 5: The government will foot the rest.
01:17:39
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
01:17:40
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:17:41
Speaker 20: Right.
01:17:41
Speaker 5: Yes. So I understand the government has been told the total cost of that legal bill was between $ 450, 000 and $ 550, 000, recoverable by the taxpayer. They have said, we don't want to make you pay that half a million dollars, $ 500, 000. We don't want to make you pay all of that. If you just pay the $ 150 and agree to not launch an appeal, we'll call it even.
01:18:09
Speaker 4: Okay. So I'm just thinking about this in the broader context of Rex Patrick's appeal regarding the access to FOI documents. Because this is obviously on the grounds that– The prohibitive cost of this sort of action actually limits the scrutiny that governments can have applied to them. Because some of these things need to be resolved in court. The higher the court you go, it's going to get really expensive. That's Rex Patrick's situation. Has he been offered?
01:18:43
Speaker 5: I can't... I think it's different because in the Rex Patrick case, the government is taking his.
01:18:50
Speaker 4: to court. Yeah, that's right.
01:18:52
Speaker 5: Over the FOI. In this case, the government didn't choose to.
01:18:55
Speaker 4: Go to court.
01:18:56
Speaker 5: Right. It was the two individuals, the two South Australian residents who took the government to court.
01:19:02
Speaker 19: Yeah.
01:19:02
Speaker 5: So I think maybe that is why it's seen differently.
01:19:06
Speaker 8: Right.
01:19:08
Speaker 4: It's such a tricky– because I'm not comfortable with either of the absolute solutions to this scenario. One, where the taxpayer is never exposed and it just prevents– that's a great shield for governments then because people won't have the financial wherewithal to ever take on governments. But the opposite, if you empower everyone to take the government to court over every minor thing at the taxpayer's expense, well, that's going to cost the taxpayer a lot of money for spurious sorts of claims. You probably– yeah.
01:19:36
Speaker 5: Which is why I– On the balance of it, I think this is probably a pretty good outcome because there has to be a deterrent. You don't want anyone being able to take the government to court for anything at any time. There has to be a deterrent for people being able to sue the state. But also, if the government was claiming all of the legal costs, it could be seen as bully behaviour. You know, it might bankrupt these two individuals.
01:20:03
Speaker 10: So.
01:20:04
Speaker 5: You don't want to be seen as a South Australian having to, I don't know, sell their house or go bankrupt, end up living on the street because the state government's taking money off them. But it's for legal action that they initiated.
01:20:15
Speaker 4: What a fascinating story.
01:20:16
Speaker 5: So I understand that offer has been made, the individuals to pay $ 150, 000 of the legal costs, which are expected to be up to around half a million dollars.
01:20:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great intel.
01:20:26
Speaker 5: We'll see if they take up that offer. That offer... means they cannot launch an appeal. So this is where the legal action would end.
01:20:38
Speaker 4: In some international news, a curfew has just come into place in Paris. It's after 11.30 in France at the moment, and at 11 o'clock local time in Paris. the government announced there would be a curfew in place between 11pm and 6am in the main area where people had been protesting and a shopping district as well. There are partial curfews as well for a host of... Just imagine this in Australian context, would you? So think of it this way. So there's a curfew in, I don't know, Martin Place in Sydney and around Darling Harbour or something or other. And then, so there are partial... Curfews in place for Marseille, Bordeaux, Nice, and Lyon, as well as Lille, and places in the north of the country as well. So it would be a curfew in the major area of Sydney, but also every– Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne. It's kind of amazing to wrap your head around. And it's not COVID-related. It's not pandemic-related. It's a curfew because of protest, which frankly started as a protest, but now it's just widespread looting.
01:21:46
Speaker 5: Turned into riots.
01:21:48
Speaker 4: Riots and looting. the President Emmanuel Macron has admitted the police have lost control in some cities. And I think as concerning as anything was the vision yesterday that it had spilled into Milan in Italy across the border as well, which is hard to get wrapped your head around. But that's just happening as we speak at the moment. 17 after 8, should we do a couple of texts and a few more on the bins that are coming through at the moment?
01:22:11
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:22:13
Speaker 5: Andrew says, I was living in Glenelg. The trial was for a year. but I reckon it's been in for years. The council gave us the option of an old service sticker on our red bin to keep it getting picked up weekly as previously done. But we went with the weekly green pickup as our red bin didn't have much in it week to week. And I think that's what other councils that have rolled this out have said as well. You can opt out. They just don't make it very easy to opt out. You kind of have to go through almost an education type If you do want to opt out, you've got to call the council.
01:22:43
Speaker 4: So they try to make the process of opting out more unpleasant than the process of having to navigate your organic waste bin every two weeks.
01:22:50
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:22:50
Speaker 5: You have to call the council during office hours, which who can do that? Who's got time? And you're at work. And then you have to go through a bit of an education program about rubbish and waste. Someone on the text line says Burnside Council are also doing it.
01:23:05
Speaker 6: So it looks like.
01:23:06
Speaker 5: There's quite a few councils around the state that want to do it.
01:23:09
Speaker 4: Trials. Trials. Long trials. No one's permanently changing anything.
01:23:12
Speaker 5: Six-year trial. On the idea of sharing your bin, Geraldine, I'm happy to share my bin with my neighbours, but I'm not happy last week someone put their dog poo bag after.
01:23:24
Speaker 10: The bin was emptied.
01:23:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not acceptable. We didn't need to do a jury on that one. No one thinks that's acceptable, do they? Or do they?
01:23:29
Speaker 5: Well, if the green bin's out on the street and the dog poo bag goes on top.
01:23:33
Speaker 4: If there's stuff in it, not when the bin's empty.
01:23:35
Speaker 5: No, not when it's empty.
01:23:36
Speaker 4: After it's been empty. That's nasty. Breaking it out has elicited some really interesting texts because there is no sympathy for those that are taking action against the state government. Tiffany says, it's called consequences. Professional protesters beware. Andrew says the MotoGP injunction application is stupid. It was based on the same legal argument used in the North Adelaide golf course case a month ago, and that was thrown out by the federal court.
01:23:58
Speaker 5: MotoGP one was different. I thought the MotoGP one was a gamer in Queensland who's worried about rider safety. Not really environmental.
01:24:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that guy as well in Queensland. Claude, the person, not the AI, says, what a joke. Poor old Claude.
01:24:15
Speaker 5: I know.
01:24:16
Speaker 4: Claude, how do you feel that now your name is shorthand for AI? We like the actual flesh and blood, Claude, that texted us. What a joke these protesters are. They already cost taxpayers thousands, now want to be compensated for their idiotic decisions. They knew the risks of the bidding. Get all the protesters to chip in. Excuse the pun. Yeah, I think we all agree we don't want to see people who pursue the government for things we disagree with being compensated. But imagine an alternative scenario where you've been darted out of something by the tax department. And yes, I know it's federal, but I'm... Or the state has kept something secret that should be made clear. Or something that you care about a lot. has been cancelled or removed in a manner that may be illegal, but we will never know because you can't afford to pursue it. I'm not sure that alternative world is a better one, even though I'm inclined to agree with these people on the stop the chop nuisance factor.
01:25:12
Speaker 5: It's a really tough one. And I imagine there were interesting conversations had amongst the government when deciding whether or not to try and recover the legal fees.
01:25:22
Speaker 4: It is a fascinating one. All right, we're going to check traffic and come back with More on the bin discussion with the person who started it in the North Plain of St Peter's area, Councillor Sandy Wilkinson, in just a moment. The Toyota Land Cruiser 300 Performance Hybrid has arrived at Jarvis Toyota, combining iconic strength with advanced hybrid power.
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01:25:52
Speaker 4: 24 minutes after eight. It's been a fun debate over the course of the morning. The bin collection discussion as championed by our next guest, the councillor for the City of Norwood, Payneham and St Peter's, Sandy Wilkinson. It's funny that the debate is happening in parts of South Australia today But it's a lived experience in places like Unley and Holdfast Bay and the Copper Coast as well. What did they call it? FOMO, FOGO.
01:26:14
Speaker 5: FOGO.
01:26:14
Speaker 4: FOGO.
01:26:15
Speaker 5: FOGO, yeah.
01:26:16
Speaker 4: Fortnightly.
01:26:16
Speaker 5: That's what I stand for. I need to work it out.
01:26:18
Speaker 27: Food organics and gardening organics.
01:26:21
Speaker 4: Okay. So you get the green bin. In plain English, it's the green bin once a week as opposed to fortnightly. And the red bin, which is historically- I think it's red or blue, depending on the suburb. Red or blue, depending on the suburb. General waste becomes fortnightly. Some people have managed to negotiate it artfully, like you, Stace. or would do in the event that you would have it.
01:26:40
Speaker 5: Once we're out of nappies.
01:26:42
Speaker 4: It keeps other people up at night, like me. Sandy Wilkinson joins us. Sandy, good morning. I think the case for this is interesting. You're saying it would save the council a stack of money in addition to being good for the environment. Is there a figure you can put on how much money councils save as a result, if everyone was to do this instantly?
01:27:02
Speaker 30: No, I don't know the exact figure, but it would be a net saving figure But it's more about the environmental advantage of reducing our landfill and motivating people to put their food scraps in the green bin rather than the red bin.
01:27:17
Speaker 5: So you'd like to roll this out in your council area, but you're calling on the state government to sort of change the law to allow you to do that. Other councils have navigated this differently where they've just set up a trial, and in Holdfast Bay it's been a six-year trial, I understand. So why not just do that? Why not just roll it out as a trial and see how long it lasts?
01:27:39
Speaker 30: Well, I put up a motion along those lines initially, and the administration said there's no point doing a trial because they've already done trials in other council areas and the trials have shown it to be successful, so we don't need to do another trial because we already know it's successful. On the basis of that, I think, well, it's the state government legislation that's preventing councils having the discretion to do this.
01:28:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry. Just struggling to understand that, given other councils have done it.
01:28:10
Speaker 30: They can only do it as a trial. They can't do it as a permanent thing. So the Norwood Payne and St Peter's Council could do it as a trial.
01:28:18
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:28:18
Speaker 30: But that's really just a way of sidestepping the legislation.
01:28:22
Speaker 8: Exactly.
01:28:23
Speaker 5: That's what the other councils have done.
01:28:25
Speaker 23: Yes.
01:28:26
Speaker 30: So we could do that, but it seems to me that in this day and age, it would be better if the government's serious about reducing landfill to facilitate councils and encourage councils to divert more stuff from the landfill, which all goes to the mountain at Wingfield. And rather than go there, it should be going onto our gardens, food scraps and the like. And dog poo.
01:28:53
Speaker 13: Do you have dogs?
01:28:55
Speaker 30: Where do you put your dog poo? I put my dog poo when I pick it up off the lawn. It's in the green bin. So if anything's smelly, it's the smelly fish that I put in the green bin and the dog poo that's in the green bin. So that's the greater sense of smell. And I've said that the nappies and things can get put for the proportion of the population that use disposable nappies, put them in sealed plastic bags to seal in the smell, and that deals with that issue in my view.
01:29:24
Speaker 17: Oh.
01:29:24
Speaker 5: Do you have a baby, Councillor?
01:29:27
Speaker 6: Yes.
01:29:27
Speaker 5: Because sealing the bag doesn't really help in the blistering sun.
01:29:33
Speaker 30: Well, not if the bag's not sealed properly, but if it is, yeah. But we actually washed our own nappies and I did that as well myself.
01:29:43
Speaker 10: Not everyone's that conscientious.
01:29:45
Speaker 5: Or has the time.
01:29:46
Speaker 30: Yes.
01:29:49
Speaker 5: So if you were to roll it out in the Norwood area, as other councils have done... would you allow people to opt out?
01:30:00
Speaker 30: Well, if you have a system where you allow people to opt out, then the council still has to pay for the truck to drive around the circuit. So then there's a cost to ratepayers. I was trying to make this so that there was no cost imposed on neighbours, on ratepayers.
01:30:18
Speaker 5: Oh, so you're proposing to roll this out without people being able to opt out?
01:30:26
Speaker 30: Well, otherwise it will cost ratepayers more because you'll have to have the garbage truck going around picking up the 10% or 20% of people who do want to go for the weekly red bin or waste bin collection.
01:30:42
Speaker 5: But it's still saving money because it's per bin. You pay per bin in the different ways that you.
01:30:47
Speaker 4: Pay, right?
01:30:50
Speaker 30: Well, I don't know that. I think East West might have a different view on that. If they're going to have to send personnel out on a truck driving around the full circuit, they're going to charge council ratepayers to do that, even if they're only picking up a few bins for the few people that choose to opt out.
01:31:05
Speaker 17: Okay.
01:31:06
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like you won't be getting the FOGO rolled out in the Norwood area then.
01:31:11
Speaker 4: Interesting. The councillor of North Payne and St Peter's, Sandy Wilkinson, I guess.
01:31:15
Speaker 5: Interesting.
01:31:16
Speaker 4: Very intriguing.
01:31:18
Speaker 5: I support this because, as I said, I.
01:31:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got a plan.
01:31:21
Speaker 5: I have managed it. However, I think you need the opt-out option because not everyone can navigate their bin. Not everyone has as little rubbish as I do. What if you have three kids all in nappies?
01:31:34
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:31:35
Speaker 5: So you need the opt-out option.
01:31:37
Speaker 8: Surely. Yeah.
01:31:38
Speaker 4: We're going to take a break. 5AA News is coming up. We're going to hear from the leader of the Liberal Party, Angus Taylor, who has spoken... just in the last half an hour with regard to Helen Haynes. Also, Senator Leah Blyth will join us, the Prime Minister we heard from a little bit earlier in the morning. And there's been an update to the Australian Stock Exchange with regard to a major bank making major cuts. We'll reveal the details next.
01:32:01
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01:32:14
Speaker 4: 20 minutes to nine, just to get you across some of the developing stories this morning. The National Australia Bank, NAB, have just put up some advice to the Australian Stock Exchange. I want to read you the first part of a statement they've made, Stacey, and you can see if you can tease out what this is about. National Australia Bank today announced actions to simplify its operating model and better align its workforce to prioritise growth and technology initiatives for customers. What is this press release about?
01:32:39
Speaker 5: One of two things. Bank branches closing or... Staff going.
01:32:44
Speaker 4: Staff going. You are absolutely correct. The last part of the update says, as part of these actions, NAB expects to reduce its internal workforce by up to 2,500 roles or 6% in financial year 2027. Now, this includes 1,500 roles before the end of 2026. 1,500 in the next two months. In the next two months, 1,500 roles at NAB to go.
01:33:13
Speaker 5: Merry Christmas, everyone.
01:33:14
Speaker 4: NAB will also materially reduce its use of consultants and external contractors. So often we get these statements. They say, oh, don't worry, it's not our staff, it's the people, it's the contractors. That doesn't count the contractors and external staff. So they've just put that announcement out to the ASX. You're going to hear more about that over the course of the day. 2,500 roles, a staggering number of jobs, as you say. 1,500 of them to go in the lead up to Christmas is just absolutely mind-boggling. We've heard from the opposition leader when it comes to the horrific Helen Haynes story out of Wangaratta in her seat of Indi. But one person we were really keen to hear from this morning is Ricky Jeffries, who in and around this awful incident performed a remarkable act of heroism, a father of three young children under the age of three.
01:34:04
Speaker 20: Yep.
01:34:05
Speaker 4: A barber who saw what transpired, came out and effected a citizen's arrest on the person who is currently being held and suspected to have perpetrated this crime against the member for Indi. Have a listen to Ricky Jeffries just a short time ago.
01:34:21
Speaker 12: Very disappointing.
01:34:22
Speaker 15: It's a beautiful town with beautiful people and it's sad that this is what's brought everyone here. She's a genuine member of the community. She does hold a role of significance, but She still is a local person. She shops here. She gets a coffee here. She pops her head in. I just, yeah, basically asked him to jump out of the car.
01:34:43
Speaker 8: That's, yep. Then got him out of the car.
01:34:46
Speaker 15: Yeah, he just sat on the ground.
01:34:47
Speaker 4: The fact that a citizen's released asking him to get out of the car, the guy had a knife on him, police revealed subsequent to that. Just remarkable heroism. Ricky Jeffries, as we heard from Andrew McCormick from Seven earlier this morning, was back cutting hair this morning. He went back to work. Doesn't see himself as a hero. In fact, originally didn't speak had to be coaxed to. His sister was doing the media for him initially. He's a remarkable part of what is otherwise a really sad moment in the history of Australian politics. The federal Liberal leader, Angus Taylor, spoke a short time ago.
01:35:16
Speaker 31: Acts of political violence are un-Australian and unacceptable. Our nation cannot become a place where these kinds of acts are normalised. We have long been able to resolve in our country differences of view, through vigorous and rigorous debate. We resolve them through debate and through choice at the ballot box. That is one of the great things about our nation.
01:35:45
Speaker 4: There is no significant update on Helen Haynes this morning. She remains in a critical condition. The Prime Minister did provide an update a little bit earlier. Here's what he said.
01:35:52
Speaker 22: Helen remains in a critical condition. She was airlifted to Melbourne and she underwent surgery last night. But she remains in a critical condition.
01:36:04
Speaker 4: The suspect has been interviewed this morning and no motive has been established as yet. Now, the broader conversation around this is now what to, where to now for Australian politics. And one of the interesting things Phil Currie told us after 7.30 was there's this sort of feeling within politics that this wasn't unexpected. It was unexpected to happen to an independent in a regional part of Australia who had never said a controversial thing in their life and was well regarded by everyone in politics. But the idea that an MP had been targeted was in and of itself not a surprise because of the increasing number of threats that they get. The Prime Minister gets three death threats a day, he told us. Our next guest is Liberal Senator of South Australia, Leah Blyth, who herself has had to employ security detail and joins us on this very sad occasion for Australian politics and indeed the family of Helen Haynes. Senator, good morning to you.
01:36:54
Speaker 32: Good morning, Will. Good morning, Stacey. And good morning to your listeners.
01:36:57
Speaker 5: Was it a surprise to you when you heard the news about the attack?
01:37:02
Speaker 32: Look, it's not a surprise to me. It is an absolutely shocking turn of events that we saw yesterday. But I think given the increasing number of threats of violence against politicians, but also public figures, I think, you know, unfortunately, this was something that was only a matter of time before it occurred here in Australia.
01:37:26
Speaker 5: We've heard from a number of MPs this morning about it. As Will just said, the Prime Minister gets three death threats a day. Tanya Plibersek says she's been the target of rape and death threats. Bridget McKenzie says she has regular death threats. Is this something that you've also experienced as an MP?
01:37:45
Speaker 32: I think yes. And I just want to say, look, this isn't about me this morning or what my experiences are, but The unfortunate thing is, is that this is not uncommon for politicians. And I've experienced irrational and obsessive behaviour from people to the point where, you know, my own division here has had to employ private security so that I can attend party events to discharge my duties. And it is, you know, when it gets to this point, we kind of have to question the What does that mean for political debate? And what does that mean for our democracy here in Australia?
01:38:24
Speaker 4: To that end, there seems to be now two different views with regard to where to hear from. Australia and Australian politicians. And it goes to the question about whether you can put the toothpaste back in the tube. Is it possible now to tone down debate to such an extent that violence simply ends? Or have we entered into an environment where it's not the norm, but it's no longer something that's entirely unusual? And as such, Our efforts should be focused on making politicians safer. And Frank Pangelo, a politician here in South Australia, had previously pushed for CCTV at MPs' homes and such. Which camp do you sit in? Can you tone debate down enough that we can revert back to a pre-violent era for politicians? Or should we be looking at mitigating things through increased security details or CCTV and things like that?
01:39:14
Speaker 32: I would hate to see an Australia where politicians have to censor and tone down what they think and how we have that political discourse. Self-censorship is going to encroach on our ability to have freedom of speech and to be able to have robust political debate. And I don't think that that is a good thing for Australia.
01:39:36
Speaker 18: In terms of keeping.
01:39:37
Speaker 32: Politicians more safe, I do want to say that the AFP and our agencies that are charged with looking after, you know, AFP for federal politicians here in South Australia, say, play a role for our state politicians. But it is almost impossible. And this is the thing, is you can't eliminate all risk. It is very difficult to know who is going to, you know, and in the case of Dr Haynes, who is going to get into a vehicle and, you know, use that as essentially a weapon to injure a politician. So I certainly sit in the camp where I am very uncomfortable if we get to a point in Australia where politicians are told or have to feel as though they cannot say things that should be said for fear of repercussions. And certainly, you know, I'm experiencing that where there are people who don't want people like me to have views that I have which disagree with them. I would hate to see us get to a point where those people win. I think that would be devastating for political debate here, but also, you know, what does that mean for our democracy?
01:40:47
Speaker 8: Who wins?
01:40:49
Speaker 32: So I think it is a very sad day that we even have to discuss this because I would say political violence has absolutely no place in Australia and we do not want to see it normalised.
01:41:01
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
01:41:03
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
01:41:04
Speaker 4: Well said. Thank you, Senator. We appreciate your time. The South Australian Liberal Senator Leah Blythe on the Helen Haynes attack in Wangaratta, North East and Victoria in her seat of Indi yesterday.
01:41:15
Speaker 5: And we'll hear more on this throughout the day. The man that was questioned or is being questioned by police is currently undertaking that. So I expect we'll get some more updates from whether it's AFP, Victoria Police, ASIO, Counter Terrorism Police, all of those different agencies are involved in this. So You'd think there'd be an update throughout the day at some point.
01:41:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. Ten minutes to nine. It's time to check traffic.
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01:41:55
Speaker 4: Six minutes to nine. 8223 0000 is our number, of course. You can call in at any time on any subject. Sam in Kingswood has called in on the bins discussion. Morning, Sam.
01:42:04
Speaker 19: G'day, Will.
01:42:04
Speaker 13: How are you?
01:42:05
Speaker 8: Good, mate.
01:42:05
Speaker 4: What do you think?
01:42:06
Speaker 16: Oh, look, we've got two kids.
01:42:08
Speaker 13: We are fighting the nappy wars at the moment, and it's just outrageous that we would go down this path, or we are going down this path. And once again, I think it's part of a broader conversation about councils trying to cut costs and move away from their core business, which is roads, rates, and rubbish. If you look at places like Naples, New York, there's waste sitting on the bin on the floor on the streets. It doesn't get collected regularly. It leads to vermin. It looks bad. Council should do the right thing. They're charging us enough, and the city of Mitcham rates are going up exponentially year on year. You can pick up my bins every week, please. And so we don't have this nappy war infiltrating our house and the street for a fortnight. It's only for a week.
01:42:52
Speaker 4: It was a call so good, Sam, I felt like I could almost smell it. Yeah.
01:42:56
Speaker 13: I could let you know about this morning, but your listeners don't want to.
01:42:59
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
01:43:00
Speaker 4: I've lived it with one, Sam. No, thanks. Totally reasonable. The cost component would be much more tolerable and I think would convince far more people if they somehow benefited a la lower rates. I think you could cajole people into being environmental and recycling better. If the argument is the council saves money, we'll save the ratepayer money in the process. Give us an equity stake in the savings. The Paynum... So the North Payneham St Peter's Council updated the Payneham, redeveloped the Payneham Pool at a cost of $ 20 million initially. It ended up being $ 60 million.
01:43:44
Speaker 5: It's hard to- How much of that, though, was in council's control?
01:43:50
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
01:43:50
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there are other things that council spend money on that are huge numbers. Sandy Wilkins didn't even know how much money they saved, just that it would be a net negative. So you would save some money.
01:44:03
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:44:03
Speaker 4: But- All I'm saying is if you're going to use the financial argument, it needs to be demonstrably beneficial to your ratepayer.
01:44:12
Speaker 5: Or give ratepayers... You.
01:44:14
Speaker 4: Can't hand wave economic benefit.
01:44:16
Speaker 5: Or give them an alternative. Okay, if we do roll this out amongst the whole council, that means we'll have X amount of dollars to spend on upgrading parks, to spend on.
01:44:27
Speaker 4: Sure, sure.
01:44:28
Speaker 5: Upgrading pools, libraries, or whatever. Whatever they want to redirect those funds to, give people... all the information at the beginning and make it easy for.
01:44:36
Speaker 6: Them to do it.
01:44:37
Speaker 14: You know, like.
01:44:38
Speaker 5: Give everyone the green bin so you can put your food scraps in the kitchen in the green bin. Give everyone free green bags because I tell you what, I'm not going to the supermarket buying green bags for my kitchen bin. I'm getting the free ones from the council.
01:44:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Make it easy. My goodness, we have had a crazy morning on our roads. We just got a a message, reports of a collision on the Southeastern Freeway at Crafers West, downtrack. I guess the only surprising thing this morning was that thus far it hadn't been about the freeway. Now it is. Sorry, freeway folks. Oh my goodness.
01:45:11
Speaker 27: Hopefully you're already at work if you need to use it.
01:45:13
Speaker 4: Absolutely. So one lane is closed, downtrack, Crafers West. Oh dear, what a nightmare. All right, let's have a look at the fuel situation, shall we? To round things out, on this Tuesday morning, the cheapest spot's Thanks to the RAA. Don't get stuck on the side of the road. Get RAA road service. The Yugo St Mary's. This is pretty good, actually. $ 2. 20. 9. I can't remember it being that low for a little while.
01:45:36
Speaker 5: I can't believe that's good.
01:45:38
Speaker 4: It still doesn't feel good, does it?
01:45:40
Speaker 8: $ 2. 20.
01:45:40
Speaker 4: We've got others that are below $ 2.
01:45:42
Speaker 32: 30.
01:45:42
Speaker 4: $ 2. 27. 3. The United Paraka Main North Road. And the cheapest diesel is the Solo Nailsworth Main North Road.
01:45:49
Speaker 8: $ 2. 69. 5.
01:45:49
Speaker 4: Stay listening to Graham Goodings and 5AA over the course of the day for any breaking developments on Alan Haynes.
01:45:57
Speaker 8: And more.
01:45:57
Speaker 4: Otherwise, we'll catch you tomorrow morning from six.
01:46:00
Speaker 25: Um, look, largely, yes.