FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 22 October 2026

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Speaker 1: Radio that still talks to you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I'd just buzz it through because I've got you guys on speed dial.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 4: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 5: Eight after six, good morning to you. Welcome to Thursday on 5AA Breakfast. Coming up on the program this year.
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Speaker 5: Scott Oakley, the hotel manager of the Hotel Panorama that won the AHA's Hotel of the Year Award. This looks spectacular, this hotel. I wonder if it's anyone's local that's listening. Are you aware that your local is the Hotel of the Year in South Australia? If so, call us. We might talk a bit more about pubs in just a moment. Have you noticed there are butterflies everywhere, folks? Little white butterflies. I have, certainly. You have, Stacey. We were talking about it yesterday. It turns out there's a reason we'll be chatting with an expert just before seven. But if you're out walking, it's impossible not to see them. They are coastal, they are inland, they are everywhere. We'll bring you the latest on Helen Haynes, the Andrew McCormick's in Wangaratta. Also, and a lot of people started asking us questions about this yesterday, so we thought we'd get some answers for you. Why these charges? Why not more serious charges like attempted murder? Can they still levy them down the line? What does the Commonwealth charge? entail our legal eagle alex ward is going to answer all your questions after seven o'clock today uh we're gonna get to the bottom of what is a record house price drop for adelaide right around the country as well i think every single capital city saw a price reduction the last quarter though breaks one heck of a record for adelaide we'll be chatting with domain on the show and matt abraham he's fully geared up he's got some biggest louver nominations this morning it's been a big week for louvers i think not just actual louvers but Matt Abraham-style Ubers as well. Looking forward to that after 7.30. Good morning to you, Stace.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 8: I was at Hotel Panorama last week, actually, for the Mary Potter Foundation. They had a fundraising event there, and it's beautiful. And the food was delicious. You know, sometimes you go to a corporate event and you sit there and you think, oh, food could have been better.
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Speaker 5: Not there.
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Speaker 1: It was great.
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Speaker 5: I don't have any scientific way of evaluating this, but I actually think all of that kind of corporate or event food has gotten better in the last few years.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think everyone's lifted their standard a bit. It used to just be, you know, the chicken or the beef. And some of those, it was hard to tell which was which. But now it's significantly improved. The panorama is interesting. So the Hotels Award, I host every year. So I've got some insight in how this works. The way their judging works to work out the best hotel in South Australia, you don't enter the best hotel in South Australia category.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 5: If you are nominated... In multiple categories. So you are normally nominated in something like Best Redevelopment, which I think the Colac won, actually. The Colac won the most awards out of everyone, who we obviously love talking about because we're often giving away passes to there for Feedback Friday and so forth. But if you're nominated in multiple categories, you're then part of a group that is assessed as potentially being the best hotel in South Australia. And if you win that, you go on to be among... You go to the National Awards. So the Hotel Panorama will now go to the National Awards that I think are in Brisbane and potentially be the best hotel in Australia. Well, it's worthy.
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Speaker 8: The view, it's quite literally a panoramic view. You can see out to the hills. You can see over to the city. You can see down to the bay.
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Speaker 7: It's great.
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Speaker 5: It's Goodwood Road, isn't it? Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Interesting to talk about pubs this morning and– Beverages as well. Cooper's releasing a ginger beer. The response to this has been fascinating. I love to see what our listeners think. Real departure. And Cooper's, because they're independent, family-owned, they can be really agile and they've moved with the times. They did really well becoming– they were South Australia's big beer and then when it became not so cool to drink big beers, they became a big craft beer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: And they were really clever with how they did it because they can because they're just– there's no corporate– they're answering to Japan. They just do what they want. And so ginger beer is, it seems to be the beverage of choice amongst young people now. Would that be fair to say, you think?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Those kind of, those kind of, sorry, let me rephrase it. It's not beer or wine or a scotch and coke probably anymore. It's that, I don't know what that category of beverage even is.
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Speaker 1: No, alco-pop, I guess.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, sugary alcohol style drinks.
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Speaker 7: I love an alcoholic ginger beer, but to your point, I can only have one. Because they're quite sweet.
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Speaker 5: They are sweet. I haven't tried a Cooper's one yet.
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Speaker 7: Is that when you know you're getting old?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. When you start saying, oh, that's too sweet. Yeah, it's too much for me.
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Speaker 7: I'll just have a slither.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: So it got us thinking. Best hotel, new beverage option that's available. What's your go-to pub and pub order?
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Speaker 10: Yep.
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Speaker 5: So if you have to go to a pub... Where are you going?
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Speaker 7: It's a tough one this morning, guys. If you have to go to a pub.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 5: We're already going to stretch here.
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Speaker 1: Which one is it?
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Speaker 5: You know what? There's too much misery in the world at the moment. You know what's nice to do? Go to a pub.
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Speaker 11: Yep.
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Speaker 5: Have a schnitty, which would be incidentally my order, and catch up with friends or see real people. It's good for you.
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Speaker 7: I want to hear more about your schnitty.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: What sauce?
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Speaker 5: Now, well, that depends on the mood, but it would probably be a palmy or palmy.
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Speaker 13: Yes.
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Speaker 5: No, palmy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, palmy.
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Speaker 14: Always palmy.
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Speaker 5: And pepper sauce, if I'm going down that path.
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Speaker 7: Palmy and pepper sauce?
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Speaker 15: No, no, no.
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Speaker 5: Not and. Either or. Okay. Either or, depending on the mood. Every time I go to a pub, I think to myself, I'm not having a schnitzel. I can't do it again. And then it's like moth to flame.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: There it is on the menu, and there I am eating it.
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Speaker 16: Yep.
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Speaker 7: I get a.
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Speaker 8: Schnitzel as well, or if there's a sort of specialty- dish, like if the pub is famous for their.
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Speaker 7: Prawn pasta or lamb ragu or something like that.
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Speaker 8: But usually for me, my rule of thumb when I go out is what I'm not cooking at home.
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's good.
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Speaker 8: And I'm generally not cooking schnitties at home because I can never make them taste as good as a pub can. They're never as crispy. They're never as crunchy. I never fry them up in that much oil. So I'd much rather do that while I'm out.
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Speaker 5: What about your beverage? So not the ginger beer, too sweet.
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Speaker 7: I usually go for a little cocktail.
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Speaker 8: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: A margarita.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Or maybe just a little Aperol Spritz.
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Speaker 5: Is that only since you've started doing breakfast radio again? You've been back on the margaritas?
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Speaker 1: Back on the margaritas.
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Speaker 17: As many as I can get.
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Speaker 7: Whatever helps you sleep.
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Speaker 5: 8223 0000. Go to pub order. Folks, what is it? You can text us to on 024808 1395. Someone here's a fan of the Colac.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yep.
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Speaker 7: And they love a heavy, poor house wine. That's always good as well. Just the house.
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Speaker 1: And you know what?
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Speaker 7: In a South Australian pub, you're always getting a good house wine.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be, yeah, it's going to be world class. That's exactly right. Keep them coming in. 8223 0000. Text us on 04808 1395. We'll get into the news of the day, but we thought we'd start this morning with food and drink and something fun just for something different and celebrating your local pub as well, which is what the hotel awards are all about and what our chat with the Hotel Panorama is going to be about after 6.30.
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Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 5: Not enough to six, just a 30-minute self-imposed timeout from the news cycle to start things this morning. We're talking pub food. drinks, Cooper's new ginger beer, the Panorama Hotel winning hotel of the year. We're going to chat with them after 6.30 this morning. I did like this text, though, that says, ha, too much misery in the world. Go to the pub, you say. Yeah, the price of pub alcohol isn't adding anything to world misery, is it? Well, the frustrating thing about it is that's self-imposed. It's not the pubs.
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Speaker 18: No.
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Speaker 5: That's the excise. That's the government. That's the twice yearly indexation of alcohol excise, which, funnily enough, On a tobacco-esque trajectory, let's hope we're not backing up our cars to the local gift store to get a carton of beer anytime soon. Because I don't think they'll do schnitzels as well. Definitely not as good as your local pub can. That's exactly right. Let's go to Milo. Sue, good morning.
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Speaker 11: Good morning.
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Speaker 5: What's your go-to pub and order, Sue?
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Speaker 11: Oh, the Bridgey Pub.
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Speaker 6: Bridgewater Pub.
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Speaker 11: That's our go-to. I know lots of people. That's where we go. I always have a... Oh, I'm boring. I have a schnitzel and gravy and a caramel sundae, but I like to top it off with a Midorian lemonade or a chlorine Coke.
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Speaker 7: Oh, Sue, I love a Midorian lemonade.
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Speaker 5: That's spectacular. You've just exactly delivered it all after, Sue. I love that Sue.
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Speaker 7: Said, I'm boring, and then went on to be the exact opposite.
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Speaker 5: Dessert right through to post-dinner cocktail. Magnificent work, Sue.
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Speaker 7: Midorian lemonade.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a classic. Let's go to Happy Valley. Ben, good morning.
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Speaker 11: Morning, Will and Stacey.
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Speaker 19: I've got a bit of a twist on going to the pub. Stacey, you were talking about having cooking schnitzels at home and making sure they're not oily. Well, I've found the best way to do a schnitzel is out in the Weber queue. You chuck it on the barbie, it gets nice and crunchy, and you can even make a palmy with the hooded barbecue. The cheese melts beautifully, and that's actually what we've got for dinner tonight. The warm weather's here. We'll have a beer out on our fresco area and have a bit of palmy, so bring in a pub to the home here.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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Speaker 5: I like that. I've never had one on the Weber queue. That's a great idea. Oh, I've never tried that.
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Speaker 11: Good tip, Ben.
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Speaker 5: Listeners, if you get to have a schnitzel one, if you've got a Weber queue, cook one tonight and review it for us tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: We'd love to hear about that. Should we do some text?
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Person says, the Lighthouse Hotel beef schnitty Diane sauce. My very most favourite pub is the Port Kenny pub, the best. They have the freshest seafood. See, I love a Diane sauce, but Not all Diane sauces are created equal. They're very inconsistent from pub to pub, so I think it's a risky move.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I confess, I always see Diane. I see different looks of Diane. I actually don't know what it is. Nor do I.
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Speaker 8: I just know which version I like.
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Speaker 5: I don't know who Diane is.
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Speaker 8: Whoever Diane is, she makes a great sauce if it's done correctly, but I don't know what correctly is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. We're getting to ask Diane because it seems we've lost our way a bit on that one.
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Speaker 8: Andrew likes to go to the Guardsman on their two-for-one schnitzel day.
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Speaker 5: What a deal. I like that.
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Speaker 8: And he says a chicken schnitzel and a Cooper's pale ale or a Cooper's stout.
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Speaker 7: There you go.
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Speaker 5: I like that.
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Speaker 7: Well done.
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Speaker 5: Tom says it's South Australian to have a beef schnitzel. You can't find it in Victoria. Is that true? Can anyone confirm that? I wasn't aware.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 5: My sense is the chicken palmy is far more– You know, when you're in Victoria, when you're going to get a schnitzel at the pub, that's sort of what actually you mean. They will get what they call a parma.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they get a parma.
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Speaker 5: As a more sort of default choice than I think we do with the Diane chat or the peppercorn chat. And so that's my perception. That might be wrong. Tom's saying you can't get beef in Victoria. Interesting. We need to confirm that.
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Speaker 7: I'm not a fan of a beef schnitzel. Sometimes it's quite tough.
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Speaker 5: Can be. There's a time and a place. Let's go to Henley Beach. Angie's called in on a different subject, but this sounds very intriguing. Angie, what's happened?
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Speaker 20: Oh, good morning, guys.
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Speaker 18: How are you?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're good.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, look, I just want to make a, well, just to let people know, I'm a bit of a complaint about cold. They have closed. The other morning I went past really early because I'm on my way to work as a nurse. Sometimes I'll stop and get a few things. And I noticed that I normally go through the, you know, 12, the one that's, you know, express lane. And that was closed. So I said to the girl, I said, oh, what's happening here? And she said, oh, no, you have to come through the self-service. And I said, well, what if you don't want to do that? Oh, well, you know. But yesterday I went there, it would have been mid-morning. They had one register opened where it was actually staffed by someone. There was people lined up. We all had sort of fear and stuff. We're like, what on earth is going on? So we're all lined up and people are just rolling their eyes. So I thought, I've had enough of this. So I went up and I said to this young lad, I said, you've only got one register open and there's people who actually want to go through a register that is actually manned by a human. Um, and he said, I said, have you got a manager?
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Speaker 19: So, yeah.
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Speaker 18: So the manager came down and I said, have you seen what's happening here? I said, um, you know, we don't want to go through self-serve. And for some reason, there was a gentleman who was coming from the United States that he was talking to me and he said, oh, he said, I actually can't go.
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Speaker 19: Through self-serve because I've got to do whatever.
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Speaker 18: I said, no, fair enough. Um, and I said to him, this is, this is ridiculous. We are paying more and more for food. Um, Some days my shopping bag has got hardly anything in it, no meat, no veg, no fruit, just a few articles that I need, and I come out nearly $ 70 later, and they want to start pushing everybody through self-service so, good Lord forbid, they don't have to pay anybody else.
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Speaker 5: Did the manager say anything, Angie, about why they only had one open?
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Speaker 18: No, I think they've got to be a bit careful.
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Speaker 13: Yes.
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Speaker 18: And, I mean, it's a cost-cutting exercise, you know, that for all the profits that they're making and just shove everybody on for self-serve. Well, a lot of people don't want to do that.
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Speaker 5: That's interesting. It's the one on Grains Road, isn't it, Angie?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, it's the one that's in it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know the one. And I think that one has got probably one of the largest and most aggressive self-serve sections of any major supermarket. It is.
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Speaker 5: To Angie's point, even if they were to open all the registers there that could have a human being, I reckon it's probably only two or three.
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 5: I know she's also talking about there is a section for Express.
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Speaker 21: Yes.
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Speaker 5: But in terms of old-fashioned registers, it is, for the size of that store, a huge self-serve section.
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Speaker 7: I hate that.
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Speaker 5: So, yeah, I think what Angie's inferring is right. Everyone's being pushed towards that as the future.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. If you're only going in to grab one or two things, sure.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're getting a carton of milk. You don't want to line up behind someone who's got a whole trolley.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 5: That makes sense.
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Speaker 7: But when you're doing your big shot, no.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 7: I'm not doing self-serve.
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Speaker 5: Miserable. Pack your own bags.
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Speaker 8: If they offered me a discount to scan my own things and pack my own bags and do it.
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Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be something?
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Angie, good call. Thank you for that. I wonder if anyone else has seen that. You being aggressively pushed towards self-serve against your will. It's the equivalent of bank branches closing, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: It's ultimately saying, well, a large percentage of people like doing it this way. Now we're going to remove the choice.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 8: And then they'll come out with a study, 80% of our customers prefer self-serve.
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Speaker 7: That's because 80% of the time it's the only one open.
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Speaker 5: That's true.
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Speaker 7: So there is no choice.
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Speaker 5: That's true. 15.7 degrees outside in the city. It feels a little warmer than that, 16.8. Heading for a warm day today, 31, the expected top. But then, it being spring, it's going to change, 27 tomorrow. How about the rain forecast for Saturday now? Five to 20 millimetres of rain. So we've had a really dry spring to this point. That's about to change Saturday, potentially. The top will drop back to 24 and then drop back significantly. 18 the max on Sunday. So it'll be– on Sunday, it won't get as warm as it will at any point over the next 24 hours. Wow. As cool as it will be over the next 24 hours, if you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Then Tuesday, 18. Wednesday warms up to 20, but cloudy. So really hot and then really wet over the course of the next couple of days. Let's turn our attention to sport. Agostina Mitsubishi's demo clearance is on now. Save on the Pajero Sport, ASX Triton and the Outlander, Nailsworth and Mawson Lakes. Jase Kemp, good morning to you.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, morning to you both.
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Speaker 5: What's happening in the world of sport?
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Speaker 14: Oh, well, there's a bit going on in the cricket, actually.
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Speaker 5: Oh, there is actually, isn't there?
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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's pretty bad for the Aussies. It's been called a dark day for Australian cricket. They're currently languishing in South Africa. They lost 13 wickets in just one day's play. They were forced to follow on for the first time since 1988, so just the third time in nearly 40 years that Australia have been forced to follow on. They made just 99 runs, forced to go into bat again.
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Speaker 11: Wow.
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Speaker 14: There's a few in trouble too.
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Speaker 22: I think Nick Madison's time in the top order, he's in real trouble.
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Speaker 5: It was a weird choice. They have looked, that first test, Australia looked terrific. And South Africa looked pretty ordinary. I found that surprising coming off the series we just had against Bangladesh at the top end. But this feels like the side that lost to Bangladesh in Australia. This batting order is just.
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Speaker 14: Minus Labashain. He's in trouble too.
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Speaker 22: I think he's averaged just 25 in the last three and a half years. So they've got to make some changes. They've got to make some changes. And you look to Sam Constance is currently on 151 in New South Wales.
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Speaker 5: Ben Minanti.
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Speaker 22: He's just scored a first-class century.
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Speaker 5: For the Redbacks, yeah. For the Redbacks, yeah. You just think back to that era where you think of guys like Jamie Siddons or when Darren Lehman had to wait his whole career or Mike Hussey. How many runs did he make in first-class cricket?
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Speaker 12: Many.
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Speaker 5: Thousands of runs.
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Speaker 14: I think he waited something like nearly 10.
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Speaker 5: Years to get in. Yeah, averaging in the 50s. Gee, these days, you can just about hold a bat. You can play on the test side. it is, that side is in desperate need of some new, new talent.
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Speaker 14: They've got to blood the youth.
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Speaker 22: They've got to try and bring new talent into that side to try and make sure they get over the line. What's, you know, they've got another test series where they've got one more test in South Africa, Cape town that's coming up, or if they can get through this one. Um, And then they've got to play New Zealand over here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that'll be a test. Travis Head's still in?
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Speaker 14: Travis Head is.
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Speaker 22: He's actually the only shining light for the Aussies. He's currently on 87. Good on you, Trav. Good on Trav, yeah. Hopefully he can get a century. At least we can take something away from the second test. But yeah, they're in all sorts of trouble over there. It looks like South Africa are going to clean them up. And then we go to the third test, which will be the decider.
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Speaker 5: Interesting. Interesting. I don't know if you can fix the top six between now and the next test, but good luck. Good stuff, Jase. Thank you, mate. Just quickly, before I go, live golf.
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Speaker 14: It's in a little bit more trouble.
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Speaker 22: It looks like another star player is going to quit. Louis Oosthuizen isn't going to resign, so they've lost another top player. He's a top South African player.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 22: Was the captain of the South African side.
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Speaker 14: Won a British Open, so.
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Speaker 5: Who's a big name that's left in Live Golf?
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Speaker 14: John Rahm.
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Speaker 5: John Rahm, he still hasn't quit.
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Speaker 7: Cam Smith's still committed, hasn't he?
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Speaker 14: Oh, so he's committed. Yeah, no, John Rahm's left.
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Speaker 5: He left.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Cam Smith is still there for now.
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Speaker 5: Okay. I wonder how much longer. Does Live Golf survive in Australia if Cam Smith was to leave?
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Speaker 7: He's the only big name left, I think.
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Speaker 5: The big Australian name that people would love to come out and see.
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Speaker 7: That people would know, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting. Good on you, Jase. Thank you, mate. Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 3: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 5: This is 5AA Breakfast. 22 to 7, Tom, in the first half hour and talking about pubs and schnitzels, said to us, you can't get a beef schnitzel in Victoria. It's a South Australian thing. And we thought, that can't be right. So we tasked Patrick with doing some research. He looked at the menus of the Terence Hotel, the Workers' Club, Union Club, the London Tavern, the Grosvenor, the Lincoln, the Hotel Railway, the Standard, the Morningstar and the Courthouse, all in Melbourne. How many of those cook a beef schnitzel, do you think?
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Speaker 7: Four.
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Speaker 11: None.
00:19:49
Speaker 9: None.
00:19:50
Speaker 11: Really?
00:19:50
Speaker 5: Not a one. Doesn't exist. Tom, I think.
00:19:53
Speaker 7: Tom's right.
00:19:54
Speaker 5: A random sample of 10 pubs in Melbourne, not one.
00:19:57
Speaker 11: Wow.
00:19:57
Speaker 5: I didn't learn something every day. And Paddy says now he's really hungry. So, you know.
00:20:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, same.
00:20:02
Speaker 5: Thank you, Tom. I did not know that. And what about other states? Patrick, can you do the rest of Australia?
00:20:09
Speaker 2: No.
00:20:10
Speaker 5: That's okay. Let's go to Burke and Ed Frank. Good morning.
00:20:14
Speaker 12: Good morning to you too, dear lovely people, Will and Stace. The pub that I usually go to is the Alberton Hotel. And the meal that I like, which you get a bit of everything, you can't beat the good old-fashioned mixed grill.
00:20:33
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker 12: You can't beat it.
00:20:35
Speaker 16: And topped off, I usually have it topped off with a pudding, a date pudding with cream. And then a lemon squash. But even when I go to Victoria just quickly, down there in the pubs, they all have it, the mixed grill. And it's one mixed grill and you just can't finish.
00:20:53
Speaker 23: Yeah.
00:20:54
Speaker 5: It's a weird combination. That's why, Frank. It's a great call. Thank you.
00:20:58
Speaker 7: It's enough for two people.
00:20:59
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Always good value. Not a lot is good value these days.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: No.
00:21:04
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what is good, and that's the Hotel Panorama that won the– Hotel of the Year at the 2026 Australian Hotel Association Awards. Hence our conversation this morning about great pubs, great pub meals and learning things about what Victorian pubs don't do. Scott Oakley is the hotel manager of the Hotel Panorama and joins us now. Congratulations again to you, Scott. A remarkable gong, albeit from Stacey and others who have been there. Not a surprising one. Good morning.
00:21:31
Speaker 2: Morning, Will. How are you, mate? Yeah, really proud of the team and how we're going. And yeah, really an honour for us to win it, especially six months into it.
00:21:40
Speaker 5: Can I ask, do you ever imagine, do you think you're in the hunt for the big one? You obviously got nominated in a lot of different categories. So does your mind wander in the lead up to the awards or was it a bit of a surprise?
00:21:53
Speaker 2: I suppose it wasn't a complete surprise. We've been pretty successful the last couple of years at the Archibald winning it. And I think you build a $ 60 million hotel and you think that that puts you in a pretty good position. And I suppose as well, the overwhelming reception that we've had from the local community and a lot of positive feedback. Since day one, we've been super busy and had a lot of really happy customers. So I think that also puts us in a pretty good position. It makes you think that potentially that we could be a chance.
00:22:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.
00:22:24
Speaker 8: Scott, I reckon when you go to a pub, sometimes it does one thing really well. It's either really good food or good service, good view, good setting, or maybe it's got a good playground for the kids or something. But I was at the Hotel Panorama last week. We're going again for a family dinner next week. That's how good it was. And you guys, the view is amazing. The food was all spot on. So you kind of ticked it all? I imagine when you're going through a big redevelopment like that, you think, all right, well, we may as well overhaul all of this and try and do it all right.
00:22:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was definitely the plan. Like, it was probably six years' work since we got first told that Tonsley was getting compulsory required and that we'd have to find a new home. And I think the thing that we were really trying to do is have different areas that have different feels and kind of fill different needs. So, like, the sports bars, good for catching up with mates, and then Wonderland's obviously a... rooftop bar in the sub which is a completely different offering um and you're trying to give people different reasons to come to the pub and as you said try to tick all the boxes so then people find like you said you went there last week and then you find another reason to come this week um and that's kind of music to our ears that's exactly what we're trying to do.
00:23:35
Speaker 5: Interesting you talk about the the build and the 60 million dollars and stacy's talking about how spectacular the views and so forth i'm now getting deja vu from peter hurley talking last year when the arca bar won and talking about the chance that was taken with an architect in this crazy designed shape building. We think about pubs in terms of schnitzels and beers and laughs and whatnot, but the buildings are pretty special too, aren't they, Scott?
00:23:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It gives the setting that makes it all kind of special. And if you're walking, I think that's the thing with Panorama, being able to walk in and have a bit of a wow factor when you're walking, it really does. That's the first box to tick and then it's up to you The staff, which is the real point, as you said, the food and the service that tops it off. But if you have an amazing building with a nice view, or like with us, we've got big streams and things like that, it does certainly set you on the right path.
00:24:31
Speaker 5: Who's your competition nationally? Have you scoped it out yet?
00:24:36
Speaker 2: I haven't really seen who the other winners are. I would say that probably one of the best pubs I've been to recently is the Warside in Melbourne. They did a 15-year, I don't know. I made it off 15th, 10th, and it got finished at the end of last year. And I'd say they won it in Vic. They did a pretty stiff competition because it's a pretty amazing venue.
00:24:57
Speaker 5: Being parochial for a second, it seems like our pubs do pretty well at the national awards. Pound for pound, how do South Australian pubs stack up nationally?
00:25:06
Speaker 2: I got asked this at the Niswell. I think our pubs are incredible here, and I think it is a bit of a different offering, but a lot of our, especially our suburban pubs, are really a hub for the community and provide a lot of things. Like, we've all got function rooms. We've all got new gardens. We tick a lot of boxes, and I think South Australian pubs do really perform quite well. And I've had mates from Melbourne tell me about how we should buy a pub over there because our pubs seem to be better than the Melbourne pubs. And, you know, some of my mates will come over and be like, it just seems that pubs in Adelaide are always really well presented and they seem to be a lot nicer. And I think that should be something, as an industry, we should be really proud of because I think more and more people come over to live and gather in and stuff. They are realising how nice our pub industry is here in South Australia.
00:25:57
Speaker 5: That's a good point. Hey, Scott, congratulations to you, mate, and all the best at the National Awards.
00:26:02
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Great to talk to you.
00:26:03
Speaker 5: Scott Oakley, the hotel manager of the Hotel Panorama. I like this text.
00:26:08
Speaker 8: The latest AHA Awards is a dining list for the next 12 months.
00:26:12
Speaker 7: So true.
00:26:14
Speaker 5: Absolutely. What a fun way to go through and see, oh, this one got the best dining room or had the best accommodation or the best view or the best redevelopment or whatever it might well have been. Guy says you can't get beef schnitzels in Queensland either. I had no idea this was a South Australian thing. No, me either.
00:26:30
Speaker 8: Interesting.
00:26:30
Speaker 5: That's remarkable. Thank you, Guy. I feel like I need to.
00:26:33
Speaker 7: Get a beef schnitzel next time I go to the pub.
00:26:34
Speaker 5: I didn't know we were supporting South Australia when we were eating beef schnitzels. Should we do some texts on the checkout? Because Angie called us in the first half, our raging about Coles at Finden. She felt now being overly aggressive with ferrying people through the express checkout. Sorry, not the express checkout, the self-serve checkout. The express checkout. Gone. One staffed human checkout. She raged about it. And a lot of our listeners have some thoughts.
00:27:03
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:27:03
Speaker 8: On other stores that do it as well, Sandra comments on Kmart. They often have no checkouts open or else only one open, the one on Churchill Road. Last time they had 50 people lined up. And Mim says Bunnings. They do it as well.
00:27:17
Speaker 7: Her husband went to the checkout. She said cash or card. He said card. She said rudely, go to the self-serve. He refused. And she was not happy, so she gave him rude service. Everyone's doing it these days.
00:27:28
Speaker 8: I've even seen it roll out in Aldi stores, the self-serve checkout. But the one you can rely on, Foodland, the independents. I don't know about you, but my Foodland, they always have multiple checkouts open. And if the person at the checkout isn't serving anyone, they wait in front. So they say, oh, would you like to come through? If they see you're lined up as number two or three behind someone at another checkout, they'll actually come over and say to you, I'm open.
00:27:55
Speaker 7: Would you like to come over here? whoa, actual service from someone at the checkout. Crazy.
00:28:01
Speaker 5: As you describe that, it's interesting. It feels like that's going to be– do you know in the last– since the machine creation of things, clothes and whatnot, handmade became a sign of not exclusivity but higher quality. This is a handmade so-and-so, whatever it might well be. The future looks like it's going to be interaction with humans is going to be a premium service. It's so true. Genuinely. You're probably– It looks like we're going to increasingly, oh, you wanted to– I go to the human bank. I pay higher on my rates, but I like the convenience of it. And it's going to be not just the natural way in which you interact with a business. It's going to be the equivalent of– this is my feeling– homemade into the future. It's going to be human interaction.
00:28:42
Speaker 7: Oh, even the– you saying the term human bank makes me feel sick.
00:28:46
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah.
00:28:47
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
00:28:48
Speaker 7: We can't make that a thing. Can't all banks just have humans?
00:28:52
Speaker 5: No, they don't. And if they do, they have to be in India. As Nab just revealed, it's India and Vietnam. So they're cutting 2,500 people. All those jobs they're cutting? They're moving a whole stack of them to India and Vietnam. Good on you, Nab. Let's go to Lindock. Matt, good morning. Lindock Pub actually won an AHA award. Matt, the one there.
00:29:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:29:10
Speaker 5: Good morning.
00:29:11
Speaker 15: How are you going? All right, Will?
00:29:13
Speaker 5: I'm good.
00:29:13
Speaker 9: How are you, Stacey?
00:29:14
Speaker 22: Good.
00:29:15
Speaker 14: Good, Matt.
00:29:15
Speaker 22: Yeah.
00:29:16
Speaker 2: When I worked in Queensland as a butcher, it was called crumb steak, not schnitzel.
00:29:22
Speaker 7: Oh, crumb steak.
00:29:24
Speaker 5: That's such a Queensland thing. Schnitzel's a little bit foreign sounding.
00:29:28
Speaker 7: La-di-da.
00:29:29
Speaker 5: Crumb steak.
00:29:30
Speaker 24: Crumb steak.
00:29:31
Speaker 15: So there you go.
00:29:32
Speaker 5: Do they have beef, Matt? Do they do beef crumb steak?
00:29:35
Speaker 25: Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker 15: Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker 25: That's the one.
00:29:37
Speaker 5: All right. Good stuff, Matt.
00:29:39
Speaker 11: Thank you.
00:29:39
Speaker 5: That's hilarious. Hotel, mate. You probably already do, but it's an award winner as well. All right. Let's talk about the weather today. Good pub weather, over 30 degrees. Simon Timkey has the specifics of the weather bureau. How much over 30 do you think we're going to get, Simon?
00:29:53
Speaker 18: Morning, Will.
00:29:53
Speaker 9: Morning, Stacey.
00:29:54
Speaker 10: Look, only just over, I think, but certainly pretty hot for this time of year. I think our average maximum in Adelaide for October is about 21 degrees, so about expecting 10 degrees higher than that, 31 degrees for the city today, so a pretty hot day. Looking at the satellite picture, a little bit of patchy high cloud moving across, so probably not enough to stop the sun coming through for most of the day, but there will be a little bit of high cloud around at times, and the wind's Generally northeasterly in direction, probably see a little bit of sea breeze near the coast during the afternoon. Temperatures around the suburbs, 31 expected as well for Glenelg and Mount Barker. A bit hotter over the northern suburbs, 33 degrees for Elizabeth and no longer expecting 29 degrees. I think today is probably the hottest day of the week ahead. We've got a little trough moving across tomorrow, which will probably bring a little bit more cloud and maybe the chance of a shower very late, like in the evening or late evening. A pretty warm night. We've got 21 degrees for the minimum overnight into Friday morning and 27 degrees the maximum. And then over the weekend, we'll see quite a few showers, I think. We've got a couple of fronts moving across over the weekend, so showers and possibly a thunderstorm as well on Saturday, 24 degrees the maximum. Sunday, much cooler following Saturday's front, 18 degrees the maximum. The shower's gradually easing, so probably a little bit more frequent during the morning and early afternoon. And then staying cool into the early part of next week, a shower or two for Monday 17. Still a chance of a shower for Tuesday, 18 degrees. So a couple of warm days to finish off the week, but getting cooler after that. Currently in the city, we are sitting on 15 and a half degrees right now.
00:31:34
Speaker 5: A bit of everything, Simon. Thank you for that, Simon Timkey at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Saypoles and you can't stall Kimberley Broad. Two teens have been arrested at Largs Bay last night, Kimberley.
00:31:43
Speaker 13: Yeah, good morning. It was about 7.30pm. Police were called to a reserve near Jean Street at Largs Bay after reports the male had threatened a group of people who were known to him whilst he was showing a firearm in the waistband of his pants. Now, the suspect fled the scene in a car with some other people but were quickly tracked down to a nearby address where the firearm was recovered. A 17-year-old boy from Blakeview and a 14-year-old boy from Seaton. They've both been arrested and charged with possessing a firearm without a licence. carrying an offensive weapon and unlawful threats. They've been bailed to appear in the Port Adelaide Youth.
00:32:17
Speaker 11: Court in December.
00:32:19
Speaker 7: And also last night, Kimberley, a man was arrested at Clovelly Park.
00:32:22
Speaker 13: Yeah, this was about 8 o'clock. Police responded to reports of a group of men who were acting suspiciously on South Road at Clovelly Park. But as soon as police arrived, one of the men attempted to ride off on an e-motorbike but was arrested on Dawes Road. When police searched him and his belongings, they've located a large crowbar, a small knife, a balaclava torch, along with some methamphetamine and other drug paraphernalia. So that man's been arrested. He's a 40-year-old from Nooroopa. He's been charged with a number of offences, including carrying an offensive weapon, unlawful possession and driving an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle. His bail's been refused and he'll appear in the Christie's court today.
00:33:03
Speaker 5: All right, Kimberly, thank you for that. Hold the line, Craig. We'll get to you in a moment. Lots of people want to have their say on self-serve checkouts. Lots of texts and some great thoughts coming through on the text line as well, but we're going to check traffic first. Long live recreation in the all-new RAV4 plug-in hybrid at Jarvis Toyota, Brighton Road, Somerton Park.
00:33:18
Speaker 3: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:33:27
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:33:32
Speaker 5: Four to seven, Angie called us raging about the Coles on Grange Road at Finden, effectively forcing people to use the self-serve checkouts. And it's, I'll tell you what, a lot of people haven't been saying about this, including Craig in Ingle Farm. Morning, Craig.
00:33:46
Speaker 6: Good morning, Will and Stacey. How are we this morning?
00:33:50
Speaker 5: We're good, Craig.
00:33:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, just on self-service very quickly. Yeah, just on principle, I have never, ever used one. I always politely ask to be served and get a massive eye roll with it. But seriously, people, vote with your feet. If we resisted with self-service from the start, it wouldn't even be an issue right now. We've allowed the corporations to walk all over us, so... Vote with your feet. Support the independents. It's great going to an independent store, being served. You know, for my old man, his highlight of his week was going shopping and having a chat for the checkout pick.
00:34:26
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah.
00:34:26
Speaker 5: Someone sent us a great text about that, actually.
00:34:28
Speaker 9: They rely on it.
00:34:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:34:30
Speaker 5: Someone sent us a great text a short time ago, Craig, to that point, saying for a lot of people, that's their social media. at moment for the way it's there's not a lot of interaction left in the world no that might be craig thank you good point if you are getting out and about and you're enjoying nature at the moment walking around you will see uh there's a stack of butterflies i've.
00:34:48
Speaker 7: Noticed heaps little white butterflies and they often.
00:34:51
Speaker 8: Fly around in i don't know what a group of butterflies is called like a pack there's about three or four of them flying around together and i'm.
00:34:57
Speaker 7: Wondering what.
00:35:00
Speaker 5: They kept flying into my face or was out exercising two days ago. And I just thought, crikey, there's just white butterflies everywhere. Apparently there's a reason for this. Kristen Messinger from Bugs and Slugs joins us. Morning, Kristen.
00:35:12
Speaker 25: Hey, morning, Will.
00:35:14
Speaker 5: So what is the reason? Why are there so many of these white butterflies around at the moment?
00:35:17
Speaker 26: Yeah, most of the white butterflies that people are seeing are caper white butterflies, and they're just in the middle of their annual migration.
00:35:25
Speaker 27: They do it every year.
00:35:27
Speaker 26: They head from sort of, in our case in South Australia, from kind of Northern Australia down towards like Kangaroo Island.
00:35:35
Speaker 28: Really?
00:35:36
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:35:37
Speaker 26: And they're really just escaping the heat. That's their kind of the mission that they're on. As it heats up in Central Australia, they sort of want to get out of there.
00:35:45
Speaker 15: Because it gets, you know.
00:35:46
Speaker 5: Flying south for the summer as opposed to what birds do.
00:35:49
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:35:50
Speaker 26: And then they'll fly north again for the winter. So not as many will make it. back to the northern climate. And they're just breeding as they go. So if you've got a caper bush, that's their host plant. So they're not going to eat anything else in your veggie garden. They're not going to be after your little cabbage seedlings or whatever. They just lay their eggs on caper plants. And they're not that common across Adelaide, but they're popping up in more places, I suppose. They'll eat European capers as well as native capers, so they're not real fussy about that. But that's all they lay their eggs on, and that's all their category.
00:36:33
Speaker 12: Wow.
00:36:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:36:35
Speaker 7: And are they sort of territorial?
00:36:37
Speaker 8: Because I go to a park every afternoon with my daughter, and we see a group of three of them flying together.
00:36:43
Speaker 7: Would they be the same group, or would it be different groups coming in?
00:36:47
Speaker 27: Either or.
00:36:48
Speaker 26: So most butterflies are actually, interestingly, quite territorial. Some more than others, but most male butterflies are also pretty competitive. So often if you see a little group of butterflies fluttering around, this makes me laugh a bit because people are always like, oh, look at the beautiful butterflies. Whereas I look at them and go, oh, that's two males absolutely smashing each other.
00:37:13
Speaker 5: Right.
00:37:13
Speaker 13: You know, they do a lot of that.
00:37:15
Speaker 26: So, yeah.
00:37:16
Speaker 28: Really?
00:37:17
Speaker 26: Fighting over the ladies.
00:37:18
Speaker 2: Oh.
00:37:19
Speaker 7: Oh, okay. Mother Nature at work.
00:37:21
Speaker 5: How fascinating, Kristen. Thank you. I think we've all learnt something this morning. Kristen Messinger from Bugs and Slugs. It was Ben who texted us saying the collective noun for a group of butterflies is a kaleidoscope.
00:37:31
Speaker 22: Oh, that's lovely.
00:37:32
Speaker 5: That does sound lovely. Perfect term. A kaleidoscope of butterflies. And there certainly is a kaleidoscope of butterflies out there at the moment. It's 5.00 news time. We're going to jump into the news cycle and get you across the latest developments right around the country next.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:37:58
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:38:02
Speaker 29: I don't know what you've got until you see me.
00:38:08
Speaker 5: Six after seven, magnificent day on the way. Over 30 degrees. If you like 30 plus, that is. If you like some of the cooler weather, today won't be for you. But everyone else is going to absolutely love it ahead of what is a very wet weekend. The sun is up. It's already shining.
00:38:21
Speaker 7: Blue sky.
00:38:22
Speaker 5: A little bit of cloud about. But yeah, mostly blue sky. It looks like everything about today says it's going to get seriously, seriously hot. There are a lot of butterflies around too that are making everything pretty. We learnt in the last hour. We learnt a couple of things in the last hour. Beef schnitzels are almost uniquely South Australian.
00:38:38
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:38:39
Speaker 5: We tested it out by looking at Victorian pub menus. Queensland listeners said they don't do them there. Apparently, they do them in WA, someone said, but there's not a lot outside of, well, certainly not in the East Coast. We learned that the Hotel Panorama was the hotel of the year here in South Australia. We learned that supermarkets are getting even more aggressive when it comes to trying to ferry people to the Self-serve checkout lane. A lot of very aggressive tactics being used out there that our listeners have alerted us to. We also learnt about the collective noun for butterflies.
00:39:10
Speaker 7: A kaleidoscope.
00:39:11
Speaker 5: A kaleidoscope, which is quite beautiful, really, and has led to this. The top seven after seven. Top seven after seven, which is what we do when we don't quite fit it in before seven. Top seven after seven collective nouns.
00:39:24
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:39:25
Speaker 5: Number seven, a flamboyance of flamingos. That's a favourite. Surprised it's not higher, so there must be some good stuff.
00:39:30
Speaker 2: Here.
00:39:30
Speaker 5: A tower of giraffes in sixth place.
00:39:32
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, that's good.
00:39:34
Speaker 5: A cauldron of bats.
00:39:36
Speaker 7: Ooh.
00:39:38
Speaker 5: What did the bat do to get lumped in with sort of weird esoterica and, you know?
00:39:42
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, suck blood.
00:39:43
Speaker 5: Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble type stuff.
00:39:46
Speaker 7: Or is that a myth?
00:39:47
Speaker 5: Some do, but what do fruit bats, what did a fruit bat ever do? I sort of think, I don't know.
00:39:51
Speaker 7: Look creepy? Make scary noises?
00:39:53
Speaker 5: I think you're making the case. I'm on team bat. A business of ferrets. How is that not number one? A business of ferrets. Kaleidoscope of butterflies comes in at number three. A murder of crows, number two, which is great. This is a good number one. A parliament of owls.
00:40:14
Speaker 8: The visual images of a business of ferrets and a parliament of owls.
00:40:18
Speaker 5: A parliament of owls.
00:40:19
Speaker 1: It brings a new.
00:40:20
Speaker 7: Meaning to the, what's the choose the market?
00:40:23
Speaker 1: The meerkat?
00:40:24
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Compare the market.
00:40:25
Speaker 7: He's wearing a little tie.
00:40:27
Speaker 12: He is.
00:40:27
Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's why.
00:40:28
Speaker 5: Maybe that's where it comes from.
00:40:29
Speaker 7: He's a business of meerkats.
00:40:31
Speaker 5: Business of ferrets. Parliament of ours. You've got to be careful you say that because you might say a parliament of something else. Now, Matt Abraham is coming up after 7.30 this morning. We'll rate the biggest liver and dissect the last week in political spin. Another thing we're doing, and we're going to have some fun with this over the course of the morning, is chatting with young Grace, who at just eight years old designed a board game or card game that is now commercially available. Did so with the assistance of parents. She came up with it and they said, this is actually really good. Maybe we could make this into something. She has. She's going to join us on the program. She's now 10 years old. An incredibly impressive young person. So one thing we want to set up this morning, an opportunity for you to have a brag about a child or grandchild. I love this. If you want to have a brag, just come on in. And brag, child, grandchild, someone who's done something excellent.
00:41:18
Speaker 7: They don't have to be developing card games.
00:41:20
Speaker 5: No.
00:41:21
Speaker 7: They could have taken their first step.
00:41:23
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
00:41:24
Speaker 7: Whatever it is, have a brag.
00:41:25
Speaker 5: 8223 0000. We'll fire up some brags and we'll get to them. Let's jump into the news cycle and head straight to the Alfred Hospital. It's where Seven News reporter Andrew McCormick is this morning, based out of Melbourne. Andrew, good morning to you.
00:41:40
Speaker 23: Well, Stacey, good morning.
00:41:41
Speaker 1: Good morning.
00:41:42
Speaker 5: We heard from Phil Haynes, the member for Indi's husband yesterday, Andrew, and got an update on her condition. What's the state of things this morning? Any new information regarding Helen Haynes' well-being?
00:41:57
Speaker 23: She's still critical but stable, so still listed as critical. But, yeah, what an incredible, I mean, just the strength from Phil Haynes yesterday to front the media in what is just an unthinkable situation. to be able to speak as eloquently as he did. Obviously, incredible emotions bubbling to the surface at times, but sadly revealing that Helen has now lost both of her legs, but she is essentially stabilised to some extent, even though she is listed as critical by the hospital and still very much not out of the woods yet, but certainly stable. has stabilised as of arriving on Monday. So she spent her third night in hospital this morning and surrounded by her husband and her family here. We've seen vigils in her electorate, hundreds of people gathering at a vigil in Wodonga, which is on the Victoria-New South Wales border, about 45 minutes north of Wangaratta, where this incident took place on Monday. And a number of speakers there, there would have been hundreds of locals there, her friends as well, lots of people who knew her quite well, Obviously, a lot of emotion still in the community up there. I've just actually checked. I saved the Children's Foundation link, which has set up a Helen Haynes support campaign. She's asked, even though her office is covered in flowers, there would be hundreds of bouquets of flowers and messages to her from the locals outside her office. Her family have actually asked If you do want to show your support for Helen, jump on the Save the Children Australia Foundation website. There's a link to a campaign there. It has already raised over $ 200, 000, about $ 220, 000 when I checked just a couple of minutes ago, which is quite incredible.
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Speaker 1: It is.
00:43:40
Speaker 5: Andrew, thank you. Yeah, it is a powerful image and nothing was more powerful than hearing from Phil Haynes yesterday, Andrew McCormick outside the Alfred Hospital. In fact, have a listen to a bit of Phil in case you missed him. speaking yesterday.
00:43:50
Speaker 30: When we reflect and talk about and think about Helen, the two most important parts of Helen for us as a family are her heart and her mind.
00:43:59
Speaker 14: Her heart is huge.
00:44:00
Speaker 30: She is a very compassionate, caring, loving person, incredibly supportive of all around her, her family, her community, anybody she comes across.
00:44:10
Speaker 5: So that was the update health-wise yesterday and indeed an update on how the community can help out. Very disturbing update about the nature and frequency with which MPs are receiving serious threats from the community and then an actual real-life incident with a Labor MP in Western Australia having someone present at their EO, their electorate office, with nunchucks, which, as you can imagine in the current climate, freaked out staff somewhat. So a bit of weirdness going on there. A lot of the questions we started to get yesterday on this case went to the charges that were laid against MPs Brendan James Nugent, who appeared in court. So five charges, dangerous driving, intentionally causing serious injury, causing harm to a public official. I mean, after the fact, he was actually charged with cultivating and possessing marijuana once they went to his property. The absent part of this, though, from our listeners' perspective, certainly, was, well, where was attempted murder? All those sorts of serious charges. Alex Ward is our 5AA Breakfast League illegal.
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Speaker 13: Alex.
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Speaker 5: Did any of the charges stand out as curious to you?
00:45:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I sort of was thinking, I was in the attempted murder class myself as the sort of facts came out. Important that, you know, we can look at things where we're able to think of them and stuff like that. When you look at the actual charges that come in, a bit of a problem with the labels that are put onto charges. can be slightly misleading in two ways here. So something that looks relatively benign when it's said, like intentionally caused serious injury, in fact, has a massive sentence, maximum penalty in Victoria. So it is a much more serious offence than we might actually look at. I'll break them down in this way. The first charge, as they list them, is dangerous driving causing serious injuries. On my reading of the Victorian law, and the listeners can imagine what that would be, but the maximum penalty is five years. So that's for dangerous driving. Dangerous driving might be you pulling out at a giveaway sign. So it might be something that's actually dangerous, yeah, but not particularly villainous.
00:46:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, this feels.
00:46:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, that's what the question a lot of people had was he did a U-turn and reversed.
00:46:31
Speaker 9: Well, this is that game came back, so that's what we're looking at. So dangerous driving, park back, because it's not a particularly high offence penalty-wise, which is where we look to the seriousness. The next one, intentionally causing serious injury. The maximum penalty for that is 20 years in prison. Now, that is a very serious offence because, again, for the listeners, if a person is convicted of murder in South Australia, the mandatory minimum non-parole is 20 years. Okay, so you're looking at causing serious injury for potential top offence for that is what we give someone for murder here. So the labelling is different, if you take my point, but the effect can be the same. Now, the other one of causing harm to a Commonwealth public official, that carries a 10-year sentence maximum for poor Helen Haynes' incident. The point I'll make here is that I talk about the maximum. People very rarely in Australia get the maximum. Yeah. But it shows how serious the Commonwealth looks at it. So what the police are saying is, well, this is what we're charging with at present, and we're still investigating. So then it may well be, and again, we've seen this over the years looking at matters, where the charges are escalated. So a person with serious injury in a car accident might then die. So it goes from causing serious injury to causing death, which has higher penalties.
00:48:06
Speaker 8: Would it be more likely, Alex, that police would have laid these charges with the intention of continuing the investigation and maybe upgrading them instead of laying harsher charges and having the potential that down the track they have to be downgraded?
00:48:22
Speaker 9: Look, that's how it looks. Otherwise, you lay the most serious charge you can get and it's not successful because the more serious the charge, the more elements the police have to prove to actually get to that charge, whereas they might be easily seen as having the appearance, if found guilty, of causing serious injury. If you go to, say, driving a car, would that be where people can have accidents in cars? And so they have to look carefully at the evidence. I imagine they get accident reconstruction experts, which the police do use in these cases. get eyewitness accounts to say, here's what I saw the person doing when it was happening. So, yeah, this always surprised me a bit, but perhaps not. The matter sort of sits, I think, for four months.
00:49:16
Speaker 2: It goes off.
00:49:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, February.
00:49:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, which sort of struck me as, oh, okay, these guys know what they're doing. And so there's plenty of time, Stacey, to look at that, getting the fine-tuning of evidence, people giving statements when they've calmed down, which would be pretty important if you just witnessed something like that. And then there's the other ones that have come up that your correspondent noted at some Other drug charges don't come along the way. Now, what I'm not sure about, here we've got three charges in the drug charges. If found guilty of three, because they're three separate charges, even though they rise out of the same, and he got various sentences for each, would they be served at the same time? Would he serve one? That finishes. Then the next one starts. Then the next one starts. So I sort of look at it. I had the exact same thoughts as your callers yesterday.
00:50:10
Speaker 5: That was going to be my next question to you, Alex. What are the rules with regard to serving sentences concurrently or consecutively in Australia? Because it's a very popular thing to do in the United States where you end up bundling them all up and saying this person's going to serve 175 years in jail.
00:50:25
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. And it's really important for the listeners. That's just not how it works. So many things in American law have no bearing to what happens here. And that's, look, I couldn't say there's rules as to that, Will. Mostly it seems, just in matters I've had a look at, you serve them at the same time. So there's a head sentence which picks up the other ones. That's how it works. But if you had quite different crimes, that might be a basis to say, well, and here might be the causing harm to a public official, because it might well be, and I don't know, But that might have been a specific intention to do. So you might think I'm driving a car and I hit someone. Oh, it turns out to be a Commonwealth official. Yes. Or you might find out from evidence looking at Facebook or other things. No, that was always the plan. So you'd look at it differently. And it's a good point, Stacey, that information does come out. So information comes out when we see pictures on the television or hear things. We have our first thoughts, which are entirely appropriate. As time goes by and things look back with excruciating detail, it becomes clear what the police can prove the intention was because that's what it's all about, the intention.
00:51:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely fascinating analysis, Alex. It is. That has explained a lot of what's going on and the questions that remain outstanding as well. And as always, we love getting on. No one does it better than our 5AA Breakfast Legal Eagle, the wonderful Alex Ward. A little bit later in the morning, if you need an antidote to the news cycle, we will be chatting with 10-year-old Grace, who at the age of eight designed a board game that now is commercially available. So we thought we're going to give everyone the opportunity to have a brag about a child or grandchild. Go on, here's your opportunity. For whatever they've done, big or small.
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Speaker 25: Good morning. I have constantly bragged about the best grandson that I have. Mackenzie is now 21 years old. He's in his third year of law. He works at the Adelaide Airport. And he still remembers to come and give me a hug and a kiss.
00:52:41
Speaker 13: Oh, Mackenzie.
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Speaker 25: He loves me.
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's beautiful.
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Speaker 25: And he's only six foot two.
00:52:48
Speaker 5: So has he had his 21st, Mary, or is it still coming up?
00:52:52
Speaker 25: No, that was September.
00:52:54
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. 21st.
00:52:56
Speaker 25: A child you've held from minutes after they've been born to, yeah, I'm lucky.
00:53:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful.
00:53:04
Speaker 5: What a wonderful call, Mary. Good on you. It sounds like this is the kind of young man that's grown up in a family that produces high-quality young people. Good on you, Mary. That's a beautiful little brag to get us started this morning. 8223 0000 is the number if you'd like to have your brag. The phone lines are all yours.
00:53:24
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00:53:32
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:53:36
Speaker 5: 26 after 7, we reached something of a record as of yesterday with new research that has been revealed by Domain. The long-running growth streak in Adelaide property came to an end for this quarter last House prices record their first quarterly fall in more than three and a half years. So we go back three and a half years. What was happening then? Coming out of COVID, Ukraine war, inflation was running hot. Some of the same similar stuff was going on, albeit now we have the same scenario. It's a different war. We've got a different war. We also have different policy settings for investors as well who are leaving the market and probably came in at about this point in that process last time. Dr Nicola Power is the Chief of Research Economics at Domain. Dr Power, good morning.
00:54:23
Speaker 27: Very good morning.
00:54:24
Speaker 5: We've often talked about the Adelaide market as distinct from much of the eastern seaboard insofar as the highs are never as high and the lows are never as low. Is that still true in the context of the current falls we're seeing around the country?
00:54:40
Speaker 27: So I think what we've certainly seen is a major change in Adelaide's housing market because we did see house and unit prices fall over the quarter. And when you put that into context, what Adelaide's seen over recent years, particularly that quarterly fall in house prices, that debt does end 13 consecutive quarters of growth. So Adelaide is following the path of all of our other major capital cities and is now seeing a slowdown in its markets.
00:55:04
Speaker 8: I was looking at the stats here from Domain and even though Adelaide house prices fell, we're still in the million dollar club and Melbourne looks like it's on the way out of the million dollar club.
00:55:19
Speaker 27: That's absolutely correct. And we could see Melbourne drop out of the million dollar club by the end of this year. It's not going to take a lot to achieve that. And I think that really just places into context what Adelaide has seen over the past five years. It has been one of our outperformers. It's been one of the top performing capital city markets. You know, we saw Adelaide's median house price break that million dollar mark and it still remains above that. I mean, prices are now falling. We are expecting softer conditions. Buyers do have more choice and they're certainly using that for their negotiating power. And when you look at choice at the moment, it's actually the highest level of homes we've seen on Adelaide's housing market since the end of 2021.
00:55:59
Speaker 5: Is that metric comparing Adelaide and Melbourne houses or all dwellings? Because they've obviously got a big penetration of townhouses and units in Melbourne. Does that skew things?
00:56:11
Speaker 27: Look, it does. I wouldn't describe it as skew, but it does change the dynamics slightly. Obviously, Melbourne probably has a greater diverse array of homes, Adelaide less so. And the way I would put it is I think Adelaide probably presents Greater value for money. You get more bang for your buck in Adelaide versus Melbourne. I mean, the thing with Melbourne, it has been a market that really has underperformed. It has moved from one of our most expensive capital city markets to being one of those more affordable ones.
00:56:43
Speaker 5: So just thinking back to some of the drops that Adelaide's experienced akin to this. So we just talked about COVID. 2009, coming out of the global financial crisis. Does this time feel different to you, Dr. Power, given the combination of high inflation, rates that look like they've still got a ways to go in terms of going up, and the investment settings being tweaked to disincentivise investors in the property market?
00:57:10
Speaker 27: Yeah, similar but different. I think there's been a lot of impacts this year colliding all at once, not only a cyclical slope, but we've also got structural changes. And that has, you know, obviously as a result of the federal budget, and that has impacted investors. They are shying away from the market. But, I mean, Australians have been dealing with a lot this year. You know, we've had four rate hikes. There's inflation pressures, cost of living pressures, and all of these things together have really amalgamated to provide a much weaker buyer confidence. And I think there is a cautious nature to buyers at the moment. But I think when you lay Adelaide's specific conditions down, stretched affordability is absolutely a core theme. You know, we have seen a long period of time where home prices have grown at a much greater pace than wages. And when you have that disconnect, you know, it can't last forever. And I think, you know, Adelaide's market is feeling that strength.
00:58:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes sense. That rubber band's been stretched to its capacity and it may just have snapped. Dr Nicola Powell, the Chief of Research Economics at Domain on that latest report. We're going to take a break. 5AA news on the way and in a moment, the biggest louver, the biggest talking point of the week in politics, Matt Abraham, our guest.
00:58:26
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00:58:34
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast. 20 minutes to wait.
00:58:42
Speaker 5: Give me the opportunity to have a A bit of a brag this morning because we're chatting with 10-year-old Grace who at the age of eight designed a card game that has now been made and released. It's commercially available. She's 10 and will talk to us after eight about it. Scott has sent us a terrific picture of the Snakes and Ladders game he designed with his daughter. And he sent through a picture of the original prototype, we'll call it that, that she came home with. And Scott says he got a bit carried away and said, you know, let's make one together. And this is what we came up with. And what I like about it, it's sort of a South Australianised with a bit of 80s, 90s pop culture in it, snakes and ladders. So you've got the Scott Thompson jumper at one point, and I reckon the other one might be a Bob Carlyle from Port Adelaide. And then you've got a bit of Back to the Future on there. Maybe that's Thor's hammer. I'm not so sure. There's a lot of.
00:59:30
Speaker 5: It's of its time. I feel like Scott, 80s, 90s sort of time was very influential in your life based on that.
00:59:38
Speaker 8: I think the end version is more Scott than his daughter.
00:59:44
Speaker 7: With the Back to the Future.
00:59:47
Speaker 5: It's got the Michael Jordan jump man on there and the Australian boxing kangaroo. It's magnificent. Keep your brags coming in, folks.
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Speaker 16: I'm buggered. This is Democracy Manifest.
01:00:06
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01:00:13
Speaker 1: Matt.
01:00:16
Speaker 5: Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof, design manufactured and installed locally by Louver House. Matt Abraham, good morning to you.
01:00:24
Speaker 1: Good morning, Will. Good morning, Stacey.
01:00:25
Speaker 12: Good morning.
01:00:26
Speaker 1: We're playing nationally a political game, a very grim one, called Find Someone or Something to Blame for the dreadful attack on Helen Haynes. And I do think the Prime Minister was out of the blocks, not out of the blocks too early in terms of responding. That was a good thing. But in terms of finding something to blame and finding social media and COVID. And it's easy to blame social media. I think COVID may be a factor in terms of alienating a lot of people, particularly in Victoria, in regional communities that, you know, in terms of society, there's a big switch happened there, I think.
01:01:16
Speaker 5: Well, it may or may not be related, but this is, I mean, this part of Victoria is Desi Freeman country. Yeah, exactly.
01:01:23
Speaker 1: Exactly.
01:01:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
01:01:26
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who are disenfranchised by the system, by a political system. They're isolated. They're unwell. They may be drug affected or whatever. And they stew in their own juices. And sometimes nothing happens from it. That's just how they are. Sometimes really bad things happen from it. But in terms of social media, I think– We're being told to turn it down. That's what the Prime Minister's message was, and we need more civility. And it's almost like it's too late for that. I get the feeling that that genie's well and truly out of the bottle. And I remember before social media, back in 19– well, it was in the 79-82, the Tonkin Liberal government, and there was a minister there called Michael Wilson– And he was a great guy, smart guy. Matter of fact, that Tonkin cabinet would include a Dean Brown, was probably one of the best Liberal cabinets we've ever seen in South Australia. And again, it was a one-term Liberal government because David Tonkin, well, I don't know why it was a one-term Liberal government, but it was. So anyway, Michael Wilson was Transport Minister and a few other things, Recon Sport and Marine. And he, for instance, oversaw the construction of the Obans. for instance, as transport minister. So in a short time, you know, set in train some quite interesting things. But anyway, I was in parliament one night for the TISA and a debate was droning on and Michael Wilson was sitting there with his back to the gallery. And, you know, you're dozing off in parliament and sort of all quiet and making the odd note. Suddenly this guy, a builders' labourer, somebody from the builders' labourers' union, jumped up behind Michael Wilson and And dumped a bag of blue and white asbestos, loose asbestos, all over him. Wow. Not next to him. Over his head. So dumped it over his head, down over his hair, in his face, all over his body. Whole bag. And blue and white asbestos is the worst asbestos. If you've ever handled it, and I did afterwards, it sort of gets into your skin, gets into your fingers. It's horrible stuff, which is why. It gives you cancer. Once it's in your lung, you get mesothelioma, and you'll die. And Michael Wilson was a smoker. And I remember sitting there like, it was quite incredible. And rather than going nuts, he just sort of sat there with a bemused look on his face and brushed it off him. I don't even know, I can't remember whether the guy from the BLF was ever charged. with anything.
01:04:15
Speaker 16: Wow.
01:04:16
Speaker 1: But he was an absolute known as a campaigner on asbestos because it wasn't widely recognised, the impact it was having, particularly in the building industry. And he got incredibly, obviously, frustrated to the point of stupidity, in my view, criminal stupidity, and did this. Obviously, at a time when security around Parliament was a lot more relaxed than it is now, and you could walk in with a bag of whatever. But that, to me, I think, well, there was no social media then, and there was no COVID then. There was somebody who was so angry to the point of doing something dreadful and possibly life-threatening to Michael Wilson.
01:05:01
Speaker 5: John Howard wore a bulletproof vest. Yeah, exactly. If you look at America, the 60s and 70s were the most violent decades of political violence predating social media.
01:05:12
Speaker 26: Yeah.
01:05:12
Speaker 5: The Kennedys and Malcolm X and Martin Luther King and all these people. And you're right, that predates.
01:05:21
Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot more risk now, and yes, social media, and that it gives people access to information and disinformation and paranoia and conspiracy theories. It's a lot more accessible. You know, there were no bookshops to go into to have a look at that sort of stuff.
01:05:40
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:05:40
Speaker 5: You know, you.
01:05:42
Speaker 1: No one got books on that sort of gear, but now it's so easy to access.
01:05:48
Speaker 7: I'm kind of with you on has the horse bolted on it.
01:05:50
Speaker 8: I think we talk a lot about the algorithm opt-out, which I think is a huge positive, and I would opt out of the algorithm if it was an option, just so I can go back to the days where Facebook was my family and friends' photos and status updates.
01:06:04
Speaker 7: However- Not everyone would opt out of the algorithm.
01:06:07
Speaker 8: Some people like being in their own little echo chamber and hearing the views of people who feel the same as them and get further and further down the rabbit hole. And we don't know if in this case or any other case, people would.
01:06:21
Speaker 7: Have opted out of that algorithm if they had the choice. Some people would, others wouldn't.
01:06:27
Speaker 1: Well, that is a very good point. On Twitter, now called X, I can never bring myself to say that, but... On Twitter. So you've got several streams, but you've got 4U, which is an algorithm. So they decide what they think you want to see. And then there's people you follow. So you can not go to the only you or 4U, sorry. not only fans, but you can't go to the 4U.
01:06:56
Speaker 7: That's the other algorithm.
01:06:57
Speaker 5: Explain to us how that algorithm works, Matt.
01:07:02
Speaker 1: You can't, you know, so you can choose not to be in, effectively not to be in the algorithm.
01:07:06
Speaker 5: They already have that functionality. Yeah.
01:07:08
Speaker 1: Although in that, there's stuff that they tag in.
01:07:11
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:07:12
Speaker 1: They think you still want to follow. There's a broad.
01:07:15
Speaker 5: Definition of someone you'd like to like that, so you probably will too, which is, yeah.
01:07:19
Speaker 1: So really, well. The for you is one that's totally them deciding what you want. Then there's one you want, but they decide what they'll put in there.
01:07:29
Speaker 5: They'll help you along. Circling back on your point on social media, I think this is really interesting because you're right. I've done it because I think a lot of it is designed, its purpose is to infuriate people. It does that very successfully because that drives engagement. Yes, and it's an easy thing to blame. I wonder if There have always been people that have been motivated to act to violence on account of something they really care about, perhaps obsessively so, and maybe to an unhealthy level. I wonder if it's a numbers game, though, with social media. It just means there's more people that get access to that kind of thing than there would if you... There's one guy that really cared about the asbestos thing in 1979. Yeah. In 2026. Maybe people who don't even work in... Never worked in the building industry can be having a bad day or have all sorts of things going on in their life, and that's the thing.
01:08:18
Speaker 1: That They focus on it. They focus on it. And become obsessed with it.
01:08:21
Speaker 5: And become obsessed with it.
01:08:22
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:08:23
Speaker 1: That's a good point. There's probably a lot more. There's a lot more, and that's a danger. You know, I was sort of a bit critical in my mind when Peter Malinowskis had a community forum in his electorate, and you had to register for it. And I thought, oh, that's a bit gutless. This is, you know, in light, obviously, of what was happening in the Parklands protests and so on. But actually, it's probably pretty sensible of him to do that. And I think it may be pretty sensible... if politicians stop the street corner meetings, sort of backed off on them for a while, because you are very vulnerable. I mean, I used to feel it when we'd do OBs in Rundle Mall. You'd go in there and you'd be sitting in a little card table surrounded by people, most of whom were lovely, like your listeners, and then a nut, you know, a fruitcake had come up.
01:09:25
Speaker 16: Yep.
01:09:26
Speaker 1: And I remember one guy came up and, you know, David and I, David Bevan and I were sort of broadcasting and yakking away, and this guy started giving us a really hard time. So I picked up a paper plate full of sausage rolls and handed it to him, and he handed it off quite happily. But that– people aren't always easily, you know– Sausage rolls don't work for everyone.
01:09:48
Speaker 5: Dissuaded like that or whatever.
01:09:50
Speaker 1: And, you know, you are very vulnerable.
01:09:51
Speaker 7: They got the sausage roll budget at the ABC for you, didn't they?
01:09:54
Speaker 1: Well, what can I say? They were probably freebies.
01:09:56
Speaker 5: Well, they did up until Matt handed them all away.
01:09:58
Speaker 1: We weren't able to.
01:09:59
Speaker 7: There was an FOI about that.
01:10:01
Speaker 1: We weren't able to say who they were from, Stacey. Our good friends at Beck's Bakehouse. But anyway, what I'm saying is, you know, you are very vulnerable now. And I really dislike going into the mall. I mean, I reckon it's a madhouse. Like, it's wacky. You know, you're in the mall. It's not a pleasant place to be. I don't care what their marketing says about the mall and people prancing around with little designer handbags and all that sort of gear. It's wacky central.
01:10:28
Speaker 5: That feels like a byproduct of fewer people, doesn't it? Because the proportion of wackiness is greater. The net amount's probably not greater necessarily, but the proportion is greater because there's fewer normies knocking around.
01:10:41
Speaker 7: And the police presence... Is pretty good.
01:10:43
Speaker 8: The other day I saw a crazy, you know, walking out of a shop and you could see the shop assistant at Target, just in, you know, down here on the corner on the phone.
01:10:51
Speaker 7: And within three minutes, there were two cops.
01:10:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:10:54
Speaker 8: I was about to say pulling him over. He was walking, but, you know, pulled him over to the side and we're talking to him. And so they're there and they must have a way for the stores to communicate with them really quickly.
01:11:03
Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
01:11:03
Speaker 7: So they got there really quick.
01:11:05
Speaker 1: It's a good thing.
01:11:05
Speaker 11: All right.
01:11:06
Speaker 5: We're going to check traffic. We'll come back with the biggest louver in just a moment. Long live... recreation and the all-new RAV4 plunking hybrid at Jarvis Toyota Brighton Road Summit and Park.
01:11:15
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01:11:23
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:11:30
Speaker 3: Matt.
01:11:33
Speaker 5: All right, it's time to determine the week's biggest louver, Matt.
01:11:36
Speaker 9: It is.
01:11:36
Speaker 1: Well, let's start with Premier Peter Malauskas, who, of course, we've got these teens who are down at Glenelg on the sand, and they've got this sort of rugby-inspired game where they run into each other, and one of them gets knocked out, or maybe both of them gets knocked out. And if you intervene, you're called a Karen, if you're an adult, if you're a woman, and Poor Karens. Apparently, if you're a guy, you're a Kevin. Oh, really?
01:12:01
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:12:02
Speaker 13: Oh.
01:12:03
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
01:12:04
Speaker 7: Karen and Kevin.
01:12:05
Speaker 5: That's not Kevin.
01:12:06
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it's just a Kevin told us off. But anyway.
01:12:09
Speaker 5: Kevin. That's funny.
01:12:11
Speaker 1: The Premier took me back to, you know, St. Joseph's Convent, the schoolyard in the 60s, with this comment about putting it in context.
01:12:21
Speaker 31: Like British Bulldogs or kids playing rugby or whatever, there's nothing wrong with that.
01:12:25
Speaker 30: But the moment that people start assaulting one another, police have got a responsibility to act and act swiftly.
01:12:30
Speaker 1: Now, British Bulldog, it's a game where you run at another person, a group of people, and you crash into them.
01:12:37
Speaker 5: It's literally the same thing. And.
01:12:40
Speaker 1: It's been banned in Britain apparently because kids bust legs, bones.
01:12:45
Speaker 5: When I was in primary school, Star of the Sea, Catholic school in Henley Beach, they banned British Bulldog when we were there. So the kids, we just called it another name and played the same thing.
01:12:57
Speaker 7: I've never heard of it.
01:12:58
Speaker 1: The most violent game ever.
01:13:00
Speaker 7: This must be a boy game. As girls, we were never playing British Bulldog.
01:13:03
Speaker 5: No. You got the ball, you had to run through the other line of people.
01:13:07
Speaker 30: Yes.
01:13:08
Speaker 7: Sounds like what they're doing at Glenelg.
01:13:09
Speaker 5: It was the same sort of thing.
01:13:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, but, you know, he grew up tough, obviously, at Mercedes. Anyway, I'm giving him, for nostalgia's sake, I'm giving him a very strong 7 out of 10.
01:13:22
Speaker 24: Matt.
01:13:24
Speaker 1: Matt. Now, this comes, this suggestion, I do like suggestions for louvers because sometimes I start stressing from about Monday afternoon onwards about what will be.
01:13:34
Speaker 5: You know, finding a louver. You said that last week.
01:13:36
Speaker 1: And that's when I go on the algorithm, hoping it'll find some for me. But this comes from a long-time listener, first-time caller called Will.
01:13:46
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I've made it to the biggest louver.
01:13:52
Speaker 1: And this is J.D.
01:13:53
Speaker 16: Vance.
01:13:54
Speaker 20: This is something I want you to hear. The Democrats talk a lot about the affordability crisis in the United States of America. And yes, there is an affordability crisis, one created by Joe Biden's policies. You don't turn the Titanic around overnight. It takes time to fix what was broken.
01:14:12
Speaker 5: The Titanic famously got turned around.
01:14:15
Speaker 1: You don't turn it around. So the.
01:14:22
Speaker 7: Surely there's a better example.
01:14:23
Speaker 1: The man who's a heartbeat away from the presidency is still to work out that the Titanic didn't get to go into reverse.
01:14:31
Speaker 5: I saw an old Navy person also make the observation that even in the event it hadn't sunk, it wouldn't have taken a night to turn the Titanic around.
01:14:37
Speaker 1: LAUGHTER He's, well, he's getting a mighty nine and a half.
01:14:42
Speaker 24: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
01:14:44
Speaker 1: We'll leave the Premier alone.
01:14:46
Speaker 5: Good stuff. Good on you, Matt. He's the biggest loofer. He is the biggest loofer. All right, be safe out there.
01:14:53
Speaker 3: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:15:01
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:15:06
Speaker 5: Ten after eight, break it eight, coming up in a moment shortly. We're chatting with 10-year-old Grace, who at the age of eight designed a card game that has now been made. It's commercially available. You can go buy it now. It's constructed. This looks fantastic, the graphics and so forth. It sits there in your board game style store next to Monopoly and next to all these other sorts of things. She's brilliant. Looking forward to this chat. We're asking you in light of that, To brag. Have a brag about a child or grandchild. And our listeners are sending us some really beautiful stories.
01:15:39
Speaker 9: Yep.
01:15:40
Speaker 8: I love this one from Sandy bragging about a grandson, Riley, along with his pop in 2020. He rode his bike from Melbourne to Adelaide. He raised $ 8, 000 for the Little Heroes Foundation. He's got a Facebook page, Riley's Big Ride, where you can also buy a book that I've written about the ride, A Little Boy's Big Dream.
01:15:58
Speaker 5: Oh, that's beautiful. Julie sent us one and says, I'd like to brag about my granddaughter. She's the apple of my eye. she's a little heart baby who had major heart surgery when she was two weeks old. Then again, when she was five months old, she's now doing very well. They said there might be some developmental challenges after the surgery, but she's flying along, knows the alphabet, knows her numbers to 20, knows everyone's name in the family, sings her favourite songs, love planes and trains. And it looks like Julie gets to look after her each and every Wednesday as well. They went to the Port Adelaide Aviation Museum yesterday. And had a ball. That's a great place. Aviation, the train museum, maritime museum.
01:16:33
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:16:34
Speaker 5: All sort of down the port way. Great things to do with young kids.
01:16:37
Speaker 7: Kids love that.
01:16:38
Speaker 25: Yeah.
01:16:39
Speaker 5: Julie, great text. Thank you.
01:16:40
Speaker 16: Well done.
01:16:40
Speaker 5: Grace is not too far away. And a whole lot more as well over the course of this hour. So stay listening. But first, it's time to break some ice.
01:16:52
Speaker 8: This is a story that we've been following along with for a while, the government's cancellation of the social worker registration scheme.
01:17:00
Speaker 7: Well, it'll step up a notch today because a parliamentary inquiry is going to look into it.
01:17:05
Speaker 8: Laura Henderson is the Shadow Minister for Child Protection and joins you this morning.
01:17:09
Speaker 7: Good morning, Laura Henderson.
01:17:11
Speaker 21: Good morning and good morning to your listeners.
01:17:13
Speaker 8: So remind us again why a committee needs to look into the cancellation of the scheme.
01:17:20
Speaker 21: So the committee is inquiring into the circumstances around the government's decision to scrap the social worker registration scheme. Today we'll be hearing from members of the board. But we're looking into it because the government had spent $ 4. 6 million on the scheme. They had appointed a board who had been working for a number of years. The chief executive of the Department for Child Protection has acknowledged the scheme was ready to go despite the $ 4. 6 million being spent in them scrapping it. and that she hadn't been consulted about the cancellation. We believe that South Australians deserve to know exactly what has happened. And at the end of the day, we're actually talking about a recommendation that came from a coronial inquest that the government is now walking away from as well.
01:18:04
Speaker 8: To me, this has always been a strange one, that we've never really found out why it was scrapped. It was just scrapped without any real explanation. And I know you've been doing a lot in the space of FOIs to try and get some of those answers.
01:18:18
Speaker 7: Have you been able to glean anything?
01:18:20
Speaker 21: I was hoping it would give me some clarity around the government's decision, but it has raised more questions than it has answers.
01:18:26
Speaker 12: At this point.
01:18:27
Speaker 21: I've asked for access to a readiness report the government had asked to be produced that's been knocked back. I've asked for core logs that I've been unsuccessful in accessing.
01:18:39
Speaker 9: I've asked for.
01:18:40
Speaker 21: Access to meeting minutes from the board on the 1st of July after the minister scrapped the scheme. We know this meeting has occurred, but for whatever reason, the government's not releasing them. Presumably, these minutes would have given insight into the views of board members about the circumstances around the cancellation of this scheme. And so at this point... I believe that South Australians deserve transparency around the decision to scrap a $ 4. 6 million scheme, and it shouldn't take a parliamentary committee or Freedom of Information request to be able to get this clarification.
01:19:11
Speaker 7: All right.
01:19:13
Speaker 8: Well, keep us updated and see if you manage to find anything out. We appreciate your time this morning, Laura Henderson.
01:19:18
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. Upper House member for the Liberal Party.
01:19:24
Speaker 5: You're going to hear a lot today about a very disturbing technology story regarding something called PHP, a programming language that underpins websites around the world. About 70% of them have been found to be affected by a flaw in PHP. It's been detected by AI. So this is one of the, depending on how you think about it, exciting or disturbing frontiers of AI technology. It will both find and repair problems and weaknesses in the coding of things, but also expose and exploit the failures in the coding of things. In this case, the disturbing thing about this is the sheer number of websites that are affected by this flaw, 70 odd percent, which means that right around the world, government websites are being taken offline, including here in Australia, to prevent presumably people accessing information they shouldn't have access to. Lee Stark will be able to explain this from picker.com.au. Lee, good morning to you.
01:20:26
Speaker 17: Good morning, mate.
01:20:26
Speaker 14: How are you?
01:20:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm well. So what is the vulnerability? What is the risk to Australians and people right around the world as a result of this flaw?
01:20:34
Speaker 17: Yeah, so what effectively happens, in case people are aware, is AI found two flaws, two pretty severe flaws in Australia. PHP is kind of like the operating system for how a lot of websites run. It's a good 20, 30 years old. It's been around for a really long time, so much that we all kind of use it. If anyone's listening to this and you run a WordPress blog, it runs on PHP. And so a lot of websites use it. And this exploit effectively allows anyone to basically break into a server without really trying. You still kind of have to know what you're doing, but once you're there... You don't need to get anything approved. It basically just takes advantage of a flaw deeply rooted in PHP so much so that even the most recent versions weren't actually patched to it. It affects almost every version, which is why when we say it's roughly 70% of all websites, every single one of them is affected, even the ones that were completely up to date. And so that affects government websites that use PHP for hosting information, for putting information out there. That affects news websites, the Herald website, in Sydney and news.com.au both use WordPress, which is underpinned by PHP. It is on so many websites, it is difficult to kind of stress how important this fix is to go out there.
01:21:56
Speaker 8: Sorry, do we know which government websites are affected and should we as individuals be worried about that? And I mean this in as nice a way possible. If news.com is impacted, do I.
01:22:08
Speaker 7: Need to care about it?
01:22:10
Speaker 17: You probably don't. It's important to be aware of. I couldn't tell you how many Australian government websites operate on it. I can tell you that governments all around the.
01:22:20
Speaker 9: World do use it.
01:22:21
Speaker 17: Some websites will use different platforms. PHP is the only game in town, but it's free, which makes it more likely to be used by a lot of organizations. It's not the only thing, though. In terms of regular people, most people don't have to worry about it unless they run a blog or a business. If you run a business and you have a website, it is possibly affected by that. So talk to your IT company, talk to whoever's your host immediately. The government stuff, the concern is that, and government is aware of this, which is why so many websites are being taken down to patch it immediately, is that the concern is if the servers are taken over immediately, some of that information could be made available to anyone who breaks in. That's entirely possible. It's unlikely that the data is on those servers, but it also could be that the information on them, so websites that actually provide information, may end up being compromised. They might end up defaced or showing incorrect information. And so that is also a real.
01:23:19
Speaker 2: Concern as well.
01:23:20
Speaker 5: Okay, so concern for business. It doesn't sound like this is the level of cyber threat that means your bank account is going to be accessed or something like that.
01:23:28
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's unlikely to be something like that.
01:23:30
Speaker 5: But that being said, it's unlikely because we don't know.
01:23:37
Speaker 17: What every bank uses. But keep in mind that PHP is how we show information. It's not a database. But this is why it's worth pointing out there. that this type of hack does allow a hacker to take control of the server, and those servers likely are also running databases at the same time, which is why this is such an important security fix for IT teams to get on top of, because while it might show defaced websites, if a hacker gains control of that server, it's not just the website that they're really worried about, it's everything.
01:24:08
Speaker 6: Else that's on it.
01:24:10
Speaker 5: It seems to me that one of the risks of this then would be everyone who runs a business might have a website that's updated, but there must be a stack of websites out there that are dormant or dead, but still running somewhere on a server that no one's going to patch. And whatever information they've got knocking around on the back end is just going to remain permanently vulnerable, isn't it?
01:24:33
Speaker 25: It's that.
01:24:34
Speaker 17: It's also the risk that because this affects billions of websites, it affects lots of different computers. And so if you're not thinking about it or you're not aware it's happening, the other concern is that hackers could take control of the server and use it for other more nefarious purposes. We talk about things like this where a server... This week alone we found that ads could actually be used as a form of auto-injection to spyware and malware. And so now that we know that that's out in the open, that pleasant thought... The idea that someone else's server, your old website that you didn't know existed or you'd forgotten about years ago, could actually be used as a way of pushing out viruses across the web. So there are deeper concerns, which is why pretty much every security expert has been running on caffeine since about 6 p.m.
01:25:18
Speaker 2: Yesterday.
01:25:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, right. Okay, that's a great explanation, Lee. Thank you, leestarkpicker.com.au. If you're trying to interact with the government website today in Australia or indeed around the world, you might notice it's not up and running. You just heard why. We're going to check traffic and come back with Grace, who has designed her very own board game. Did it at eight. She's 10 now. It's out there on shelves. It's a great story. You'll hear her voice next. Let's check traffic first. Long live recreation and the all-new RAV4 plug-in hybrid at Jarvis Toyota, Brighton Road, Somerton Park.
01:25:46
Speaker 3: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:25:54
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:02
Speaker 8: Well, our next guests join us in the studio, Luke and Grace. And Grace is 10 years old and has developed a card game to play at home with the family. It's called Five to Fetch. Grace and Luke, thank you so much.
01:26:14
Speaker 7: For joining us.
01:26:15
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you so much.
01:26:17
Speaker 7: Grace, how did you come up with the idea for Five to Fetch?
01:26:21
Speaker 24: Well, it all started a couple of years ago. I was playing around with this pack of cards and I had this idea for a game called And so I made my own cards for it, and so I played with them with my family for a bit.
01:26:39
Speaker 13: And then Dad.
01:26:41
Speaker 24: Encouraged me to design cards on Canva and print them out onto business cards. So that's what I did. And so I played with them for about nine months. And then at the start of this year, that encouraged me to go even further to make my game Five to Fetch into a game that others can play as well, not just family.
01:27:07
Speaker 5: Wow, that's amazing. I wasn't inventing anything when I was your age. So is it easy to explain? How does the game work?
01:27:16
Speaker 24: Yeah, so Five to Fetch is a card collecting game. We have to race to collect a set of one of the six pups. You're trying to get five in a row of one of them. It's a really simple and easy game that everyone can play.
01:27:29
Speaker 5: Wow, that's extraordinary.
01:27:31
Speaker 8: I've never heard of a card game with dogs as well, so I think that would be very appealing for a lot of people.
01:27:36
Speaker 7: Do you have a pet dog?
01:27:37
Speaker 24: No, but I do really want one.
01:27:41
Speaker 12: I love it.
01:27:42
Speaker 8: And so, Luke, can I ask you, as Grace's dad, when did you realise she was onto something and you thought this would be a cool game that other people would like to play, not just us in the house?
01:27:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
01:27:52
Speaker 31: Yeah, as soon as we started playing it, she created an amazing game where We were engaged. And then as she continued to evolve the game, she was changing the rules. She was changing the cards. She was creating wild cards and block cards. And as she was doing that, it was just getting more and more engaging. You know, the interactions between the family were getting more and more fun. And we just never got sick of it. So after all that time of playing it, like every night after dinner for like nine months, we just thought, you know what, this is a really great game and we can get onto this.
01:28:26
Speaker 5: I've just Googled it. Yeah, Grace, how does it feel to see Five to Fetch available to buy in stores? That must be quite amazing.
01:28:35
Speaker 24: Yeah, it does feel really awesome to see my game next to other professional games.
01:28:42
Speaker 5: It really is.
01:28:44
Speaker 7: Well, your game is a professional game.
01:28:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, your game is as professional as anyone else's.
01:28:47
Speaker 7: It's on the shelf next to Monopoly.
01:28:49
Speaker 8: I found out about this through Jackie at the Moonta Collective because it's stocked there at the Moonta Collective.
01:28:55
Speaker 7: So you've got a few stores around Adelaide stocking it and it's available online. It must be pretty cool. What do your friends think about it?
01:29:03
Speaker 24: Yeah, they're very supportive. My cousins have helped me out with markets. So, yeah, they're very supportive to me.
01:29:15
Speaker 7: That's great.
01:29:15
Speaker 5: Having invented it, does that mean you always win when you play?
01:29:21
Speaker 24: Some of the time.
01:29:22
Speaker 8: Do you ever have to– Really try hard to win, Luke? As a parent, you think, oh, I want to let my kids.
01:29:32
Speaker 7: Win, but not too much.
01:29:34
Speaker 9: I know.
01:29:34
Speaker 31: Yeah, that stopped a while ago. The family pick on me. They all gang up on me. So, yeah, there's no mercy now.
01:29:41
Speaker 5: Where did Grace get the gift of the gab from? She speaks remarkably well. You speak so well, Grace.
01:29:46
Speaker 9: Yeah, you do.
01:29:47
Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:29:47
Speaker 31: Her mother and I are both teachers.
01:29:49
Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah, we spend a lot of time talking. Some professional education in the house.
01:29:53
Speaker 13: Yeah.
01:29:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, it helps.
01:29:56
Speaker 8: So people can go online and check it out or go into one of the stores that stock it and maybe a good Christmas present.
01:30:03
Speaker 24: Yeah, it would be an awesome Christmas present. It's very good if you've got grandchildren or cousins or for Christmas presents or birthday presents.
01:30:17
Speaker 5: We've been doing this show for a lot of years and one of the sort of mission statements of it always is that we like promoting South Australian businesses and people that are starting things and creating things in SA. We've never spoken to a 10-year-old about that before. Grace, thank you for coming in. Thank you for inventing this game. It's so cool. Well done.
01:30:33
Speaker 7: Thank you.
01:30:37
Speaker 3: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:30:45
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:30:49
Speaker 5: 20 minutes to nine. A bit of interest in Grace's board game coming through on the text line, Sto.
01:30:57
Speaker 8: Yes, Sharon and Julie were wondering what the name of the game is. It's 5-F-I-V-E to Fetch because it's a card game about dogs. I've got it up on the live stream if you're on Facebook or YouTube and you want to check it out.
01:31:10
Speaker 5: Print screen.
01:31:11
Speaker 7: For the whole family?
01:31:12
Speaker 24: Yep.
01:31:13
Speaker 7: Grace and her family play it after dinner every night.
01:31:16
Speaker 5: There you go.
01:31:16
Speaker 7: Bring the family back together, put the screens away.
01:31:18
Speaker 5: If you weren't quick enough to get that, you can call in and Patty and Jess will sit you on the right path as well. 8223 0000. Coming up this Sunday, we're hoping for a dry day for this event, which sounds like a terrific concept. A big community event called Her Run, organised by Run DNA, bringing together women runners together to help start the conversation around safety and choice uh it's josh willoughby's brainchild but uh kate collins will be hosting on the day and they're both in the studio with us josh kate good.
01:31:45
Speaker 28: Morning good morning guys nice to be in here with you.
01:31:48
Speaker 5: Yes thanks for having me it's a it's a great concept it's just an unfortunate one that we have to have.
01:31:53
Speaker 28: Yeah look it's one of those um things that we don't like to think is still a reality in you know today's Day and age, but it's such a factor for a lot of women. I know as a very amateur runner myself, when I head out, it's often in the darker hours. It's early morning. It's late at night when I can fit it in around my lifestyle and when I choose to run. But knowing that it's something I have to think of in the back of my mind, who's around me, what's going on. in those dimly lit hours, it's a pretty sad fact that sadly, you know, guys don't really have to think about that much when they go for a jog.
01:32:28
Speaker 5: And never think about it. And you're nodding your head as well, Josh. There's this conversation now that's come back to me so vividly with a friend of mine who I was talking about. She lives near the beach and there was this air and I said, you must love going running through here. And she said, oh, I used to, but now there's a bit near the sand dunes that's a bit dimly lit and I don't run through there. And I thought- has never crossed my mind about lighting or whether other people can see you or whether it's a dark corner. But Josh, this is what female runners are having to think about all the time. 100%.
01:33:00
Speaker 29: And I don't necessarily feel comfortable speaking on behalf of women, but the conversations we've had at our store level with our female work colleagues is pretty much what Kate just said there. The planning that goes into getting out the doors and going for a run is far greater than than males so literally.
01:33:18
Speaker 8: Thinking about how you're going to do your hair i don't put my hair in a ponytail at the back because you see you see in movies women getting their hair pulled.
01:33:24
Speaker 28: From the back oh really yes just little things like that i think about every time i go i think.
01:33:30
Speaker 8: What sort of weapon will i have and you know you can't take a handbag with you for a walk or a run but i'll have a key i don't take a set of keys but I take one key in my pocket so at least I've got something sharp.
01:33:41
Speaker 28: Even headphones making sure it's sort of on the ambient sound so you're aware about what's going on if you're listening to music while you're running and it's really funny I've joked with people in the past that some of the best times I've gotten have been when I've felt unsafe.
01:33:54
Speaker 7: When I'm running you know because I'm running faster because.
01:33:56
Speaker 28: I'm trying to get through certain areas because I'm not feeling like I'm safe in those spots. And we've got so many great places to run around Adelaide where we're having the run on Sundays around the Torrens, so the Uni Loop, which is fantastic. But we know that area can be problematic too because you've got all those overpasses and the bridges where underneath is quite scary to run through when it's a bit dark.
01:34:20
Speaker 7: So Sunday's event, how can people get involved?
01:34:24
Speaker 13: Yeah.
01:34:24
Speaker 29: So jump onto RunDNA's website, so rundna.com.au, and there will be a banner at the top of our homepage, pardon me, free entry as well. So it's a free event, and we have coffee on the house afterwards and fresh fruit supplied by Adelaide Fresh as well. But walk is welcome. We've got a 3.5K walk as well as a 3.5K run and a 5.5K run as well. So 300 is our maximum number. I think we're currently at around 250 at this point in time. So there's a few spots open. And for the mums out there as well, please bring your children and bring them along. And obviously together, if we can celebrate women in the female community, in the running community part of me. And look, change comes from conversations and change comes from movement. And we're in a privileged position to be able to obviously do our bit for South Australian runners.
01:35:17
Speaker 5: It's a good point you make about walkers too, because everything we've just said about running holds true for going for a recreational walk.
01:35:21
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
01:35:22
Speaker 5: And uniquely, you're championing this, Josh, but you're not going to be there on the day because it's a female-only event.
01:35:26
Speaker 14: That's exactly right.
01:35:27
Speaker 29: So I reckon I'll get there around 4.30 in the morning just to help set up, and I am disappearing. So I'll... I'll go find somewhere to go for a run by myself and I'll wait for the girls to give me a call and say, yeah, it's time to pack down.
01:35:39
Speaker 5: So yes, it is a female only event.
01:35:41
Speaker 29: And look, just for the males out there that obviously want to support this event, we will probably do something in 2027 where we'll open it up to the males to support her run as well. But for this first one, it's about her and let her celebrate her running journey. So, yeah, thanks for all the support, South Australia.
01:35:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, great concept. Good on you guys. All the best. Hopefully the weather, hopefully it stays dry.
01:35:59
Speaker 7: I know, there is rain forecast, so fingers.
01:36:01
Speaker 5: Crossed that changes. Saturday looks like the bad day.
01:36:03
Speaker 12: Do you know what?
01:36:03
Speaker 14: We run rain, hail or shine.
01:36:04
Speaker 5: Exactly right.
01:36:05
Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly.
01:36:06
Speaker 5: All right, good stuff. All the best. Good on you guys. Let's check traffic. Long live recreation in the all-new RAV4 plug-in hybrid at Jarvis Toyota Brighton Road at Summerden.
01:36:15
Speaker 3: Knock down bill two with metro homes sell one and move on keep the other as an investment metro homes they do it all for you will.
01:36:24
Speaker 4: Goodings with stacy lee this is five double a breakfast.
01:36:28
Speaker 32: 11 to 9 uh this story is uh horrifying and infuriating uh our next guest robert bruno had um A son who passed away seven years ago, buried at Enfield Cemetery.
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Speaker 5: And they visit, like many people that go to Enfield, and lay things down at the gravesite. Memories, tributes, items of significance, things that matter. They all got taken away. They all got taken away by the cemetery sighting guidelines. Robert Bruno joins us now. Robert, good morning to you.
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Speaker 15: Good morning.
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Speaker 9: How are you?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're well, mate. I'm trying to be measured about this because when I heard your story, it just made me so angry. Why did they tell you things had to be taken away?
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Speaker 15: They're saying that it interferes with their gardeners culling lawns and whippersnapping and they're saying that it's killing their trees.
01:37:31
Speaker 5: It's killing their trees.
01:37:33
Speaker 15: Yeah, killing their trees.
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Speaker 5: Just for our listeners' benefit, what kind of items are we talking about, Robert?
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Speaker 15: Well, where my son's buried, all that was there was artificial flowers.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 15: And a heart, ceramic heart with wings on it. And it was a special poem from a father to the son.
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Speaker 5: A special poem. And it got in the way of someone whippersnippering. Did they tell you, Robert, did they ask you.
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Speaker 5: How were you informed about this?
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Speaker 15: I wasn't informed. I went to the gravesite Sunday to visit my son like I normally do, and everything was ripped apart and pulled apart and just thrown away into a shelving. We couldn't find his love heart and the teddy bear that he used to sleep with.
01:38:29
Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 15: So you weren't given any notice?
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Speaker 7: There was no correspondence that went out to say.
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Speaker 15: You know, we have to move this stuff? I didn't receive, no, I didn't receive no emails, no letters, nothing. They put out a statement saying they sent out 183 letters. We didn't receive nothing, no email, no notification. There's photos of other people that have taken that there was shelving with stuff on it, but then there was no signs. And then once I put in a complaint and started doing my Facebook petition, they put up signs saying that all of these items were illegal and needed to be removed. But I understand they've got policies and all that in place, but the way they removed it and the video shows They've just thrown it on the ground and destroyed most of the stuff. It's quite sad. I've got a girl next to my son that her father passed away with cancer at an early age. And the poor girl goes there and wants to know why her dad's cups and special photos are missing and destroyed.
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Speaker 8: It's heartbreaking, and we're looking at the vision now on our live stream of the shelves and the personal items that have been just, well, I was going to say placed, but they haven't been placed.
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Speaker 7: It looks like they've been thrown. It's a total lack.
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Speaker 5: Of respect, isn't it, Robert?
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Speaker 15: It is. It is, and since I've put up this petition, although I've had plenty of parents, one father that went to visit his son The groundsman was playing soccer with one of his son's ornaments.
01:40:19
Speaker 5: You're kidding me.
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Speaker 12: No.
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Speaker 15: No, I'm not kidding you. And all they did was give it back to him, said sorry, and laughed.
01:40:27
Speaker 12: And walked off.
01:40:28
Speaker 5: These people should be bloody sacked. Every single one of them.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: They don't want me to. I wouldn't like to be there at the moment.
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Speaker 7: I don't know what to say.
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Speaker 8: I'm just so sorry that happened to you, Robert, and you're already going through a tough time visiting your son every week and then to see his belongings and the personal items that you'd placed there.
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Speaker 1: Just discarded.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 15: It is disheartening. I try and keep his site very tight and clean and update always the flowers and all that. And like I said to him, I said, I understand you've got policies and all that, but when you explained it to me seven years ago when my son passed away, I wasn't really listening to what the policies had. I'm grieving our son, but their excuses are it's their policy and that's it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, just hand it all over to AI then. If you're going to remove any humanity in decision-making, Yeah, I don't know what we're afraid of because there's no humanity involved in this. I don't know how any human being looks at a son written by a father and says, oh, well, that's against our policy. We'll throw it on a shelf.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this poem here at this gravesite, just chuck it away.
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Speaker 8: And how hard is it to get in touch with people and say, please, you know, we're reminding you of our policy. We need to keep, you know, these graves tidy and can you please come and collect personal belongings within the next three months or whatever it is because we are now starting to implement this longstanding policy.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 7: Or whatever. Just get in touch with people and let them come and collect their own belongings.
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Speaker 5: It can't be one letter or one email. You need to treat the process with the gravity of what you're doing. It's not a tidy up.
01:42:28
Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 5: It's not just a little bit of gardening. These are really important memories and items for people. that you are discarding and you are treating them with a level of disrespect that is unfathomable.
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Speaker 8: It's a cemetery, not a public park. You can't just throw away someone's belongings at a cemetery. Sue in Valley View has sent us a message about the same cemetery and says it seems selective about what they remove, not weeds by the look of this. And she sent us a photo of a site there at the same cemetery where the weeds are just piled up and up and up.
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Speaker 5: Well, it looks like Robert's online petition is getting a lot of support, and well it should too, because they're going to fix up their act there and find some people with respect that can work in the joint. Got a lot of good texts following our chat with Kate and Josh.
01:43:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have.
01:43:17
Speaker 1: We have.
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Speaker 8: Wendy says, as a female who was attacked when I was 18, I've spent my life looking behind me, planning my areas and arming myself accordingly.
01:43:26
Speaker 7: I think a lot of women can relate to that, Wendy.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 8: And this person says, oh, to live the life of a male, never having to be aware of predators, never constantly scoping the environment.
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Speaker 7: It's just, it's something that has resonated with a lot of women, I think.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of jokes about the genders and the lack of thoughtfulness and things, you know, from putting the toilet seat down to opening the dishwasher. But I think a genuine acknowledgement from most men would be you don't walk the street constantly thinking about your safety. Yeah, you walk through an area where there's some dodgy-looking characters or it's dark and it might cross your mind, but it's not an ever-present thought and certainly not when you're exercising or running or walking. And I think it's a really illuminating conversation to have and it's a terrific event they're putting together this weekend.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I've just seen as well a little update to that website story, the ABS is down. That's one of the websites that's down so far, the Australian Bureau of Statistics website. It's been pulled off for urgent security upgrades.
01:44:29
Speaker 5: The PHP.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: This is going to be a big story today, I suspect, over the course of the day. You heard our guest from PICA just before 8.30 do a really good explanation of the risks and also what you're going to see in terms of websites going down. So you'll hear about that over the course of the day. I'm losing my voice. So we're going to check the fuel situation and go. I know, we've always made it. Don't get stuck on the side of the road. Get RAA Road Service. The cheap spots, the unleaded, you go St Mary's South Road, $ 2.
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Speaker 7: 14. 9.
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Speaker 5: That's come down a bit. United at the airport's pretty good too, $ 2. 22. 5. And the cheapest diesel, the Mobile Hampstead Gardens, North East Road, $ 2. 68. 5. Have a great Thursday, folks. We'll catch you tomorrow from six.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to find my way home But all I heard was a drum bouncing off a satellite.
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Speaker 7: I've got it up on the live stream.
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Speaker 5: Print screen.
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Speaker 20: This is radio nowhere.
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Speaker 5: Is there anybody home?