00:00:29
Speaker 1: Hello. This begins part two of our fish Stripe's Top thirty Prospect List update. If you didn't listen to part one, you can stop right here and just go back to the previous episode. In this pod feed, they're connected at the hip. First episode over an hour long, looking at the top half of the Top thirty list. In this part two, we'll look at the bottom half of that list, as well as some honorable mentions, and then at the very end, connecting everything from top to bottom, number one through number thirty. Enjoy check that out to get you caught up on what I'm thinking with these rankings. I mean, this whole the second half of this Top thirty is going to be a big mess, because, oh my goodness, there's just so many good players to fit in. But I think from thirteen to sixteen, we already did the top twelve. Thirteen to sixteen, I had Connor Scott at thirteen, Nunez at fourteen, Devers at fifteen, and Verdict at sixteen, and then it's gonna be probably a bunch of pitchers after that. We okay with that thirteen to sixteen.
00:01:33
Speaker 2: I want, I am not I personally lost Verdict higher want Yeah, I want Verdick up there.
00:01:41
Speaker 3: I would.
00:01:41
Speaker 4: I'd honestly switch na seeing in verdict, right, I mean as we stand in right.
00:01:45
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I.
00:01:49
Speaker 5: Think you gotta knocking to seem a little bit because he hasn't hit very well and there is some questions on the viability of his switch hitting. The defense is obviously exceptional and so is the base running. So it's not that he's an awful prospect, but like I'd like to see him hit, and I'll take Verdick's smaller sample at an older age. With that raw power, I'll definitely knock him a couple of spots over there.
00:02:16
Speaker 1: Three and a half years age difference, though Burdick three and a half years older than ned Is.
00:02:21
Speaker 2: I personally would have Burdick at the top of that group. I love him, and I have had my doubts about Connor Scott. He's kind of a race some of that. He was really good last year and I kind of had to bite my tongue and eat my words on him a little bit. But I still, personally I think Burdick's got a little more power potential, and for that reason, Burdick at thirteen, I just, I just I know that won't go over like, I'm okay if you guys put Scott thirteen. I just want to put out there that I think Burdick should be the top of that group.
00:03:00
Speaker 5: Until Connor Scott elevates the ball more consistently. I'm perfectly fine with Burdick and his seventy raw power above Connor Scott. But I do like Connor Scott's tools, So either or could front this little section we have right now. But yeah, I think Verdick and Scott have to be at the top there then everyone else.
00:03:22
Speaker 3: I think I'm probably the hYP man on Scott, and I even have Burdick like just of hair behind him. So I think, you know, putting Burdick at the top of that group, uh A, okay with me. I think he's right there, and I connect with Scott. I would say that after those two, next up for me, probably ahead of Junyez, would be Jose Solace and Osiris Johnson.
00:03:49
Speaker 2: Well love Osirius, love Osirus. I love that right there. I'm here for that.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Just to get everybody cut up on Osiris, all the listeners. So Cyrus did not play regular season games last year. Right at the end of spring training, he had a tibial fracture his leg and ended up missing a couple months of action. He's able to return in instructional league. So that was way back in September. He's been fully healthy now for six plus months, so that's not going to affect him at all in twenty twenty. And he's still I mean, he's the youngest.
00:04:19
Speaker 6: Of those bunch.
00:04:20
Speaker 1: I think he's he's twenty, right, No, he's he's still he's nineteen nineteen. Yeah, he's still. He's actually, yeah, a little bit older than Let's see, was he drafted at seventeen, Yeah, he was.
00:04:33
Speaker 2: He was playing in Greensboro at seventeen. That's why I that's why I'm really high on him, is because the way the ball, the ball was jumping off his bat at seventeen years old was just insane. I you kind of have to keep him down the list a little bit in my mind personally, because you just don't know, you know, how much that injury really set him back. I mean it's you know, it's a leg and you know guys come, you know, come back from broken legs all the time, but got ten years old, you just have no idea what kind of effect that'll have on a guy and we haven't seen him play baseball in the year, so I guess you'll move him. You got to move him down because of that. But we talked about this in the last episode Eli and Spencer when we were on together. He if he performs the way he did when he was a rookie, he will fly up boards and I think there'll be a really good argument to put him in this part of the ranking. You know, three months into the season, I.
00:05:30
Speaker 5: Am actually a little more pessimistic on Osire's right now. I mean, most of it isn't really his fault. One. The Marlins were way too aggressive with him that he had no reason to be playing in Greensboro that early, and it showed. I mean, he struck out way too much and I don't know what type of impact that had on him, and then having to miss so much time with his leg. So I'm perfectly fine keeping him in the more like back half of this ranking and more of like a weight and see mode to see just like what he's developed since then, because he really has missed a lot of time.
00:06:09
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I mean I think I'm in the same boat with Osiris. I think he's ultimately going to end up as a left fielder or a third baseman in the end anyway. So that fact, besides the fact that he was the youngest person in the draft, and then the Marlins rushed in Lowa, which was a struggle almost with the same problems that Connor Scott has face. Is the rushing the same year, same draft class. They both were rushed. But now you add that a year and a year plus of miss time that Osiris just saw, and it's hard to move him ahead. A lot of these guys are talking about today, even somebody like Jose Salas. I think that Salas is going to be a top fifteen player in this in the system by mid season. I think he's got the potential to start the year in the GCL if we get a season this year. Excuse me, but he'll probably be the youngest player in the GCL. But he's played stateside before. He knows how to play over here. So I think he's got a real chance to be a higher prospect. And and everybody's in. Everybody's bored by the end of the year over our virus.
00:07:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really excited about Solace's tools, and I would rank him Oversyrus simply because he's healthy, and he's younger, and he's going to be stateside this year.
00:07:20
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we all agree on Solace over Osyrus.
00:07:26
Speaker 6: But how would we compare Solace in nasi.
00:07:31
Speaker 1: Ah.
00:07:33
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that seems like insane defense will hold them over Solace for now until we see Solace get some pro avs. So for now, I would keep Nuniaz ahead of him. But the upside on Solace is way higher than.
00:07:51
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I just I just don't know enough about Solace to uh put him over nasm personally. Everything I kind of know about him is just from listening to you guys and reading up on him a little bit, So I don't know enough to form a personal opinion. But I love Nasim's defensive potential, and he started off really good, hitting pretty well in the GCL last year, and showed a little bit of an ability to put the ball, you know, deeper into the outfield. And so because of that, because of the flashes of potential that I saw at the plate early on, I would probably keep him around that fourteen fifteen range.
00:08:36
Speaker 4: I think, if we're going to talk, I mean Sallas and Nassim, I think I'm going to take Salas at this point just for what we've seen out of Nassin. Could be he'll be twenty years old probably by the time or playing baseball again, or close to it. He's only think he's a little bit over nineteen now, so he'll be in Lowa next year or Clinton or in Clinton next year at twenty years old. He does not impact the ball yet with his bat. He was a little bit behind being a switch hitter. He didn't start switch hitting till about I think his junior year of high school, so it's took a long time for him to really figure out that switch hitting and to show power from both sides with solace. He has a grown man's body. At sixteen years old, he'll be in the same league that not Seen was in this year. At not Seeing year nineteen or age nineteen year, excuse me. I think he has the tools to be a twenty twenty type player when he's at his prime. He can play second, third, and short. Currently I don't think he'll end up at short due to his size, But as an overall player and his potential and what he can do going forward, I really like Jose Salas as an overall player. Even over and not seeing.
00:09:41
Speaker 5: My vote, I agree with that.
00:09:43
Speaker 6: My vote would be for Salas too, just because I think I we see you are getting that really high end bankable defense, and you're also getting base running ability that's going to be plus if beyond base percentages there to support it. However, I think you know the concerns about the hit tool with Nuniaz. I think that he'll hit enough for the tools to play, but I think it's kind of going to be just that he's not going to be a.
00:10:12
Speaker 3: High level offensive performer in terms of contact or power. I think the power is decent, not outstanding. I think you're going to want to see him develop develop a patient approach to uh get on base to support that speed. But I think all but the most optimistic projections for him right now, you're looking at a bottom of the order type of player, still, a guy who can be an everyday player, but offensively a bottom of the order kind of producer, whereas Solace has the potential to be that kind of top of the order producer. I do agree his most likely position is second base, but I like him a lot there.
00:10:53
Speaker 6: I think he can be an everyday player there, and.
00:10:56
Speaker 3: I tend to air a little bit more towards offense, at least when we're talking about two guys who are both.
00:11:04
Speaker 6: Going to be towards the upper end of the defensive spectrum.
00:11:06
Speaker 3: And Saulis still projects pretty well on that side of the ball too, even if he's not quite on Nunias as well.
00:11:13
Speaker 1: All Right, so I made some tweaks to that middle of the top thirty rankings. Listen to the people. I put Burdock at thirteen and Bernick at thirteen, Scott at fourteen, Salas Nunia's endeavors like fifteen to seventeen. But I want to jump back into some pitching. We're kind of overdue to talk about some pitchers that were right in this range at the previous update. Umberto Mahea, who had I mean, compared to the perception of him entering last year. He's a guy that made almost as big a jump as anybody, someone that had been in the organization what five or six years and had hardly gotten any recognition, but then put up amazing numbers with Clinton, got the promotion to Jupiter and for the time being getting an opportunity to develop as a starter, and he'd probably be the featured guy in the rotation for Jupiter when we open up next season. Who else We already mentioned a lot on Fitter. I mean, Fitter has to fit into these drinkings at some point, you know, considering the kind of upside that he has and how young he still is, still just a teenager. Also in this range, of course, we have Sterling Sharp, who is the Rule five pick, and he's going to be the oldest guy probably on this list. But Sterling Sharp was pretty good in his double A experience, pitched really well in the Fall League as well, and for what it's worth, in those spring training games he showed a lot and seems like a pretty safe lock to make the opening day roster, which means he's going to lose his prospect eligibility really early in the year anyway, but for the time being, you know, still considered a prospect. It has to fit in here. And the other one that of course Spencer mentioned before, and that's always on our minds. The man with the longest scoreless ending stra I think in all of professional baseball at the moment is Alex Vesia, who hasn't allowed to run since last July. He dominated in Jupiter in Jacksonville in the Fall League, in spring training. And if we're just looking at Vessias strictly as a reliever, which he has been so far in pro ball, then he just seems to have that simple formula that's going to translate into major league games at some point. And yes, when we try to put all these pitching in their perspectives, I guess Vessia considering some of the other pitchers we've already mentioned, like Guzman in Holloway, if they have really heavy reliever risk, and of course Vessia has a full blown reliever risk. But he's been so dominant in all his pro outings, like literally the most effective pitcher in minor league baseball since he was drafted in twenty eighteen. I mean, he's an automatic, slam down top thirty guy right even in the Marlin system.
00:13:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
00:13:54
Speaker 5: I think though Umberto Mahea might be a little too high on he's a little older for like being a guy that has to be on the forty man roster and having to start the year in Jupiter. I feel more comfortable ranking him around where like Dougger is there. It's like two guys who don't really have exceptional stuff, but they can kind of mix it and throw strikes and that has like allowed them to succeed up to now. But I think he might have been ranked a little too high. But yeah, and then I think Fitter and Sharp should definitely lead this group. Sharp because he's going to be a major leaguer, and I think the fact that he's already like almost there and he's throwing strikes in big league camp that helps him out. And Fitter's upside, I love him. I probably would have put him in the middle group around where Salus is, so i'd have them too up top, and then Umbert's a little lower.
00:14:53
Speaker 2: I'm pretty big on Mahia. I thought he was really good last year, and so I would have him a little higher. But yeah, I think Lewis is right. He's kind of like a like a you know, middle middle guy, Like he's that guy that comes up from Triple A to make spot starts and stuff, and then you know, he might keep him in the bullpen to eat some innings or maybe he turns into a pretty good bullpen arm. Fitterer was solid last year in the GCL. He was really solid two point three eight e r A. You know, struck out some guys a little high walk rate, but I'm a big fan of his and I thought he was really solid last year. And obviously he meant a lot to the Marlins because they dished out the money for him. So if they're excited about him, I trust the front office enough to be excited about him too. So yeah, I think him leading this group is pretty good. But I would kind of throw mesa junior somewhere in the middle of this group. I think he belongs right somewhere in between these pictures, right and then I'm pretty excited about that breaking ball look pretty nasty. In spring training, I think he made pitching ninja, so that's that's a big accomplishment for sure. But I think he's he's a guy that you know he's obviously we're gonna see him right away against big league hitters and so we'll know about him pretty quickly. But he seems like a really solid bullpen arm if that curve ball is as legitimate it seems. I don't know too much about Vessia, but I mean I listened to Ian about a lot of things because he's one of the smartest people I know when it comes to baseball and that's his guy right now. It seems so. Yeah, I think with his solid production out of the bullpen, and when you get down towards this part of the rankings, you know, we talked about Holloway and Guzman and how they probably project his relievers, and you have a guy that's actually dominating like that as a reliever. Yeah, I think he can. He can definitely make this area of the rankings.
00:16:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:17:00
Speaker 4: I mean talking about the guys we just brought up here, I think sticking at the front end of the deck group would be Evan Fitterer. He has a chance to have two sixty gray pitches going forward. He's not even twenty years old. He's got it and he's got projection. He has his ability to be a long term starter more than anybody else in this group that were mentioning behind that, I'm gonna go with my guy, Aux Vesier. He's just dominant. He's got he's got a change up he can throw in any count. He really just he just works any count with composure. He's not scared of any at any position, and any had that. He hit ninety eight off out of left hands a lot last year, which is pretty impressive. He sits ninety five. Usually he's got three pitches he throws. He's just not He's just ready for the moment every time.
00:17:46
Speaker 2: Seventeenth round, cal State East Bay from Alpaying, California. Alex is twenty three years old.
00:17:54
Speaker 4: He's deceptive. You could kind of see it, kind of holds the ball up by his ear.
00:17:58
Speaker 6: It seems like it's coming out of his head a little bit.
00:18:00
Speaker 2: Pitchers pitchers hitters don't seem to catch up to that.
00:18:03
Speaker 3: If he throws ninety two to ninety five and guys just don't make contact against it.
00:18:08
Speaker 4: Speaking about sharp, he's got a really good breaking ball. It's a really elite spin. But his fastball scares the absolute hell out of me. If he gets behind him counts as a major leaguer, he's gonna get hit hard. If he can work that, If he can work his slider and curveball in there as much as he does, then we really could have something. But I think he's in the lower bottom half of his top thirty just for potential of what he can do at the next level. I don't think he's going to be that higher, that high of a pick. I mean, he's going to be on our roster this year, in Miami's roster all a year as a as a Roll five pick, but I don't see the upside being that high. And the last guy on this list talking about excuse me, I think that's maybe all we talked about here, might be missing one, but yeah, I'm gonna go fitter Vesia and then sharp Hair.
00:18:53
Speaker 1: So well, I'll get the rest of the names out on the open. Other guys that were on the top thirty last time. We've already discussed everybody that was one through twenty one last year. Some of the other names will Banfield the only catcher, the only catcher hope. I guess that the Marlins have at at least at the full season level of the organization right now, and also from twenty seven on down. Brian Miller, the outfielder who's a former very early round draft pick, still great speedster. Robert Dugger is still prospect eligible for like another few innings, so we had to fit him in somewhere here, probably right at the ends where he was before. A guy that added some muscle over the offseason, and that translated pretty well in spring games. His fastball v low was up a couple of ticks. I mean, that was a big issue for him last year, and a big concern is that he simply in the same way that you just mentioned was Sterling Sharp someone like Dugger who were kind of worried about what he'd be able to do when he was behind in the count, and that burned him in the majors last year. But it seemed that he put in some work during the off season that definitely helped. We had Tristan POMPEII and number twenty nine last year. I know we were really excited about him in twenty eighteen, that first year coming out of the draft in Kentucky, but he took such a big drop off in twenty nineteen. A lot of that because of injury, but for whatever variety of reasons considering where like Pompey was in the outfielder hierarchy, you know at this time just a year ago, and where he is now. Just some of that his own doing, and some of that just because of all the other talent that's added into the organization. And jd Orr was also this is my guy.
00:20:36
Speaker 2: Can we get him up this list?
00:20:38
Speaker 5: Please?
00:20:39
Speaker 2: Please? Can we move him up a little bit?
00:20:42
Speaker 5: I got to mention one thing, because I mean, we're going off guys are already on this list. We need to rank Brady and Carnacion and like now, because he should not be in like the back half of the top twenty, I mean of the top thirty.
00:20:57
Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree needs to be.
00:21:02
Speaker 5: Like towards like twenty twenty one. Maybe because we're talking about real starter projection here with like a like legitimate ability to spin a breaking ball. So I like, this is a guy who could just take off and become a top pitching prospect in the system, So he needs to be in here. And sadly, I don't think Pompei belongs on this list when he has had a chance to play. He hasn't hit exceptionally well. He's pretty much stuck in left field and he hasn't played.
00:21:33
Speaker 2: So what about what about Luis Pelasios.
00:21:38
Speaker 5: I'm not feeling that. I don't think that until he can throw his fastball at least consistently above ninety miles per hour, like, it's tough to like rank him anywhere because I mean, you still have to like project towards the major leagues. His commands exceptional for his age, but it wouldn't work the way like, if you're looking at his current projection and his velocity, it just wouldn't work long term.
00:22:06
Speaker 4: I definitely the unknown with Colosios is what's got everybody so excited, and he's put up in insane numbers, and.
00:22:14
Speaker 2: His numbers are insane.
00:22:15
Speaker 5: That's why I said.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: It's exciting to watch it to look at what he said, But he's sitting at probably eighty six eighty seven right now. He doesn't he doesn't have a lot of run on his stuff, so it's hard to project what Plasios is going to do at the at the higher levels. You might see him in Clinton to start the this year, which is what we're all hoping to see. So if he puts up numbers in Clinton and shown some velocity, then maybe we can start ranking him. But putting in Carnaciona for Plasios is a no braining for me right now.
00:22:44
Speaker 5: And I gotta say I can't buy into the excitement on jd Or until he plays in the upper minor leagues. Obviously he's probably he's probably the fastest player in the entire organization. But I think that's what really has allowed him to succeed this much in Batavia and it's the same with like Milton Smith Junior. Like there's guys on Twitter who get really excited about him, but like you have to keep in mind that when you're playing in like lower levels, you're potentially facing very poor defenses where your speed can really just give you that insane boost and it can make you look a lot better than maybe where you'd be ranked on a prospect List's.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: One other guy that just included this mixe. He wasn't top thirty because we made the previous list before the Marlins traded Austin Dean and they surprisingly got something back in return for Dean, and they surprisingly got this outfielder that really dominated in the Dominican Summer League and the Cardinals organization. That would be deal Wheel Burgos, who's just gonna be nineteen this upcoming season, so finished last year in the GCL. If you're wondering, on pipeline and on fan grafts, they both have him comfortably inside the top thirty. And I guess, of course, if you compare him to someone like j d Orr, he certainly has time on his side, about four years younger than or is, and pretty decent power potential at this point. So I guess we got to find a spot for Burgos as well somewhere in here.
00:24:23
Speaker 6: Huh Yeah. I would definitely want to get Burgos into the list somewhere at the least.
00:24:29
Speaker 3: I think if you put him next to somebody like Will Banfield, there's a lot more to get excited about with Burgos. The power is real. Even though he's a smaller guy, he really hits the ball with a.
00:24:42
Speaker 6: Lot of juice. At this stage of his career.
00:24:44
Speaker 3: He runs, we'll see as the body mature, as if that continues to be part of his game, but he shows an exciting skill set from an offensive perspective, the kind of guy who you can envision potentially hitting towards the top of the order, with potential to impact the game in a lot of different ways.
00:25:02
Speaker 6: So I like him a lot.
00:25:03
Speaker 3: I thought that was an outstanding get on to get him for Austin Dean.
00:25:10
Speaker 6: And one other player.
00:25:11
Speaker 3: Who hasn't come up yet who I would definitely want to find a spot for here. In addition to breaking in Carnelascione, among those younger pitchers would be Chris Mogma. I think he's not quite as impressive at this stage as Fitterer. But similar kind of overall tools, like a lot of starter trades, potential for multiple above average pitches with starter command. I think that if you want to dream on him, you could have a number three four type starter there. Similar upside projection as you have a fitter there. It just hasn't been demonstrated to quite the same degree.
00:25:47
Speaker 2: And quantify some of these things. Some of the guys that Spencer just brought up. First of all, starting with Mokma, he only started five games, small sample size, but he had a two to one nine and a two five three FIP eight point seven six case per nine. Those are pretty good numbers for, you know, a high school guy. And he was another one of the like the money, big money signings that the Marlins put together in this draft. And then Burgos, I mean, his numbers kind of jump off the page at you. In the DSL last year three sixteen for twenty OBP five seventy nine s looking percentage, he had eleven home runs in fifty eight games. Okay, deal Will Burgos.
00:26:30
Speaker 5: He was a little older for a guy playing in the DSL, so we do, I think we do have to keep that in mind when we're looking at his stats. To keep it fair. But yeah, I mean, if he has the raw power and the tools to be excited about, that's fair. But he was a little older for his group. I just think, I just think to get that back for her, a guy like Austin Dean is pretty impressive.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean that's definitely something to you know, be excited about. I mean, his numbers. It looks like he went from one level of rookie ball to the to the next and then I don't know which level though, I don't know if it was DSL, the GCL or what, but when he was in the cardinal system, but those numbers, when he went to the second level of rookie ball, he hit three eighty two, four eighty one, and seven to twenty five and thirty six games, and he hit nine homers. He only struck out fifteen percent of the time. He had a two thirteen way to runs creative plus. So those are some crazy numbers right there. To that one. You look at what the Marlins got him for, that's some pretty good value.
00:27:37
Speaker 5: You know.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know that's one stat line, and you know that's one sample, and the breast of his sample isn't very good. But it's something to take note of. He's a guy to kind of put on the radar and keep an eye on. But yeah, he I am right there with Spencer. He definitely deserves a spot on this list, alrightya, some of the tough decisions I'm gonna make here and trying to fill out the top thirty, I think we agree hees squeezing Pompei off the list for the time being, holding off on jd Or for a little bit until he face his competition.
00:28:14
Speaker 1: That's kind of his own age. And I guess it's convenient because Dugger is going to graduate from prospect eligibility pretty soon anyway, that we could squeeze him off a little bit ahead of time in order to get some of these younger, higher upside guys on the list. But boy, it's so difficult to sort all this out.
00:28:33
Speaker 5: I definitely think though, with Badfield, we should keep him a little higher simply because he is a phenomenal defensive catcher.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: Phenomenal. I love his defense, and you may have mentioned you may have been going to mention this already, but there's a lot more power potential in him than has shown up in games, like when he actually squares up the ball. When you look at his average fly ball distance relative to other players like he does, he's not that far away from showing at least fifty power, if not a little bit higher than that. Of course, the question is just going to be whether he gets on base enough to be like a primary catcher.
00:29:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, his floor as a backup catcher is sure shot. Like he will play in the major leagues barring any like awful situation where he gets hurt or something. But like, I really believe that just because he will be at least a backup catcher and the shortage of catching, plus positionally it's never been like a strength to hit at catcher in general, you probably can like excuse his like poor showings in Clinton last year a little more than some other players.
00:29:48
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but I would understand that if you're hitting like two thirty to fifty, but when you're hitting below the Mendoza line, you gotta be a little careful. Yeah, I mean, that's just my personal that's just my personal opinion.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: Though Austin Hedges has still been like about a two win player for the last few years by playing top level defense and running into a handful of homers every season. I think that you have with Banfield, like the rough power is definitely there when he does make contact. He tends to get to that power, but the contact isn't there in below minors. I don't think it's really ever going to be there, Like if you really everything really clicks. He could be like a Jake Rogers kind of type. But I mean, thus far, Jake Rodgers has it hit in the majors, and I think it's kind of like that Rogers Hedges kind of profile. But I don't think that Bandfield is the defender that Hedges is, certainly, and I'm not sure that he's quite even as good as Rogers is. I think there's a little bit of residual prospects shine on him because he was such a decorated prep player, But I I don't see the bat like I do think he's a high probability backup catcher, but I don't see backup catchers as top prospects.
00:31:09
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, finish up sure.
00:31:13
Speaker 3: I mean, like, at least in a system this strong, I don't know that I have a backup catcher in the top thirty. Like I do think there are skills to like with Banfield, but I think when you are only ranking out to thirty names, he's just off of that cutline for me.
00:31:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, first of all, I agree with Lewis and with you Spencer, that his defense gets him too the major leagues because it is exceptional. I mean, he was throwing guys out left and right every night last year, So you know, I do agree that his defense gets him to the majors, But you're kind of a little less worried about it because I thought what we saw from Alfaro besides the strikeouts last year was really positive and now you're kind of like, Okay, that kind of takes some of the pressure off of Banfield. And I think the Marlins have some guys that kind of need a little bit of pressure taking off of them, Like we talked about Brinston last episode. We talked about Mason Junior. Sorry I always get them confused about Victor Victor last episode. And now you talk about a guy like Banfield who might have a little bit of the pressure off of him and one year older, maybe starts hitting a little better. But yeah, I think because he has major league potential and he's a guy that's going to be in the majors. He's going to be towards the bottom, but I think we can just kind of squeak him onto the list a little bit.
00:32:32
Speaker 5: I'd also expect Banfield to have some competition in the near future. This isn't coming from a source or anything, but I'm fully certain like within the first four or five picks, they're going to select the catcher, like they're so hollowed out at that position they need to address it.
00:32:51
Speaker 6: It is a very strong catching class this year, so it's a good time to be in that position.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, you're listening to our Top thirty prospect list update, and if you fast forwarded to for whatever reason, you fast forwarded over an hour into our rankings, and Youreta's point. We're gonna try to sort out the back half of this top thirty, which is gonna look quite a bit different from the previous update. To this point, I had our one through seventeen ranked, and that first top seventeen it ended off with like all those young shortstops Salas and Nunez Endeavors. So from eighteen to thirty, I'm just gonna spit out some names. Eighteen to thirty and you guys yell at me about any that you think are egregiously wrong, all right? Eighteen with George Guzman nineteen, Osiris twenty, Fitterer twenty one, Holloway twenty two, Vesia twenty three, Victor Mesa Junior twenty four, Brady and Cronacion twenty five, Deal, Will Burgos twenty six, Stirling Sharp twenty seven, Umberto Mahea twenty eight, Will Banfield twenty nine, Victor Victor Mesa in thirty Brian Miller. Which one of those can you not live with?
00:34:15
Speaker 3: I would move Guzman down about ten spots personally, that might be a little extreme for some of us.
00:34:23
Speaker 6: I would have forgive me. I would have Holloway a handful of spots lower.
00:34:32
Speaker 3: I would push off Miller in favor of Mokma, and I would move in Carnacion up a little bit.
00:34:39
Speaker 6: Those are the ones that stood out to me.
00:34:42
Speaker 5: I actually feel bad ranking Miller so low because he just hits like he I know, double a. He kind of took a step back, like trying to hit more five balls. But I think his contact ability has some role in the major leagues. It's just tough to sort it out when his defense isn't particularly exceptional, and he doesn't run the bases that great, but well, not that great, I'm sorry, just not as great as you would expect his speed to allow him to. But yeah, I think he definitely has a spot on this list. I don't feel great about him so close to thirty, but I guess that's just how it's gonna have to end up. But I would probably move up Victor Victor a bit because of the defense in the arm, and Victor Mason Junior probably knock him up a couple of spots too.
00:35:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put it was Guzmann and then Holloway.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: Right Guzman a few spots at a Halloway.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: And.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Who was in front of Halloway, I would put Mesa in front of Oh, it was Holloway, and then Bessie or Bessi and then Halloway. I would put Mesa Junior up over those two. Uh, and then I Brian Miller is like a fourth outfielder at best, and with the amount of outfield talent the Morelands having this system right now, I just don't feel great about putting a fourth outfielder ceiling on the top thirty list. So I like the I like Mokma, I would personally vouch for jd Or, but I'm more than okay with getting a.
00:36:15
Speaker 5: High school guy.
00:36:16
Speaker 2: The Marlins are high on with a good looking ceiling on this list.
00:36:21
Speaker 1: Hallway a few spots. Maybe just flip him in Brady Brady.
00:36:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Brady.
00:36:30
Speaker 5: For sure, and I agree with that.
00:36:33
Speaker 6: Do we have where do we have Vezia in relation to the other pictures at the moment.
00:36:38
Speaker 1: I haven't been twenty I have him twenty two right next to Fitter and Brady.
00:36:43
Speaker 3: Between Twitter and Brady. Yeah, yeah, I like I like that.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: Wait where is Burgos?
00:36:50
Speaker 1: Virgo said twenty five? Okay?
00:36:52
Speaker 2: Cool?
00:36:53
Speaker 5: I said, to finish up without him by the way.
00:36:57
Speaker 1: Well, yeah we did. We have gone pretty long this Yeah, is.
00:37:01
Speaker 5: It his internet like shot out or something. That's how he described it. So that sucks all right, but this is tough. But I mean, I think I don't know if man is that. Brady's ceiling seems pretty great. I think I would still keep Fitter just above him for now, let's see. I mean, Guzman has to be lower than Holloway in my opinion, and then yeah, just Mason Junior a little higher.
00:37:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Mason Junior. I think after Osiris, I believe was the last position player we had ranked.
00:37:40
Speaker 5: I think he should be above Osirius. I think that's that's the switch I would like to make. I think Mesa should replace Osiris at his spot, probably just swapped them because I mean, he did even have more success than Osiris in the g c L and I think they were about the same.
00:37:56
Speaker 3: Age is absolutely more polished, better pure hitter than Osiris at this stage.
00:38:05
Speaker 6: I just think there is so much more.
00:38:07
Speaker 3: Power, you know, Osirius's profile, and that's what has me with him a little ahead of Mesa, but I think definitely in that rage. For me personally, it's right after Osiris. I have Masa Junior and Burgos as kind of ahead of the pack in terms of position players.
00:38:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. I like that.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at the very end, we want to switch Miller with Malkma of Chris Makoma rounding it out.
00:38:36
Speaker 3: I would be in support of that just for the reason. The way I see it, Mochoma has potential to develop into a long term starter. I think, you know, the most likely projection in that role would be a number four starter, and if he gets a little further.
00:38:51
Speaker 6: Along his development.
00:38:52
Speaker 3: I mean, Nick knighterd is a likely number four starter according to most people, and he's a great deal higher on the list. So I think when you look, get a guy who has a similar kind of projection, and Monk may even throws a little bit harder than somebody like Nier who's just a couple of years earlier in their development. That's a guy I like to put on the back end of the list just because the potential is there for him to rise as much as fifteen spots in the future.
00:39:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that lot.
00:39:20
Speaker 2: That all right.
00:39:23
Speaker 1: Let me see if there's anybody else that I had written down I didn't mention, of course, when a year ago there was some excitement about Will Stewart coming over in the real Muto trade, and at the very beginning of the year he had a couple excellent outings, and then he had a couple at the end of the year, and then in between then he kind of got lit up at Jupiter, but still only twenty two years old and still has that nasty change up with him. He was a top thirty guy for most of last year. But I think at a certain point when you just have concerns about his fastball having being able to get by anybody, that probably drops him outside the list for now. We're gonna leave Lassos outside the list for now. I'm keeping an eye on Josh Robertson who what he's gonna be twenty four this upcoming year. He's had Tommy John surgery in the past, and then last year he missed a lot of time with another arm injury. But when he was healthy, he was pretty electric. He's another guy that I guess a very different roster status than Guzman or Holloway, but the same type of stuff and you know, the same type of weaknesses too when you look at his reliever risk and his age relative to his level of competition. But someone to keep an eye on. And I guess he's not top thirty for the moment.
00:40:36
Speaker 6: I mean, I got I Yeah.
00:40:37
Speaker 3: I think he's a great name to bring up, and I think you can make a good case for.
00:40:42
Speaker 6: Him for one of those last couple of spots.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: I think the parallel drawing between him and Halloway is a good one. I think there definitely similarity think between their profiles. Then with both guys, if you really want to dream like maybe you can coax a starting.
00:40:56
Speaker 6: A picture out of it.
00:40:59
Speaker 5: I think the Stewart though there's there was like a mechanical problem that there was to address there, But I think his stuff is actually very good. So I don't know if he has a role in this top thirty right now, but I think it's a guy who if he makes the changes he needs to make, that he'll he'll jump right back in and right like. That's the thing. I wouldn't feel great about him in a bullpen, so it's it's kind of swing or miss with him as a starting pitcher. But I think as a starter he kind of does play up with that heavy sink and like his change up.
00:41:38
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I don't I don't think Stewart's a lost cause I think I have. I sort of think of him in tandem with Sterling Sharp. They kind of share some similarities. Both of them are more they're pitching styles oriented towards generating weak contact, whether it's striking guys up, and Stewart does throw significantly harder than Sharp, but he's not as fully realized. And I agree with you when you say that he doesn't project, especially while in the bullpen, because he doesn't really have like that kind of one pitch he can really lean on in that kind of role. And I don't think that what he's shown recently looks like that kind of number four starter that he looked like a little earlier on. But if he can iron out those kinks mechanically, the possibility is still there for him to fit into the back end of rotation because he does have a nice diverse artisenal and saw rock solid fastball philosophy.
00:42:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
00:42:42
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to take a deep breath and read this top thirty that we got here from the beginning. Number one, number one, six, Dough Sanchez, number two, Justism number three, JJ Blodeh number four, Edward Cabrera number five, Hey Suss Sanchez, number six, When Diaz seven, Monte Harrison eight, Braxton Garrett nine, Trevor Rodgers ten, Cameron Meisner eleven, jurar In Karnacion number twelve, Nick Nider thirteen, Peyden Verdict fourteen, Connor Scott fifteen, Jose Salas sixteen, Nasim Nuniaz seventeen, Jose Devers eighteen, Osiris Johnson nineteen, Evan Fitterer, And then I made some changes to the rest of these twenty now, Victor Mesa Junior twenty one, Brady and Karnacion twenty two, Alex Vessia twenty three, Dial wiel Bergos twenty four, George Guzman twenty five, Jordan Holloway twenty six, Sterling Sharp twenty seven, m Berto Mahea twenty eight, Victor Victor Mesa twenty nine, Will Banfield and thirty Chris Mokma.
00:43:53
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I think I'm a big fan of how we kind of went big on ceiling. You know, we brought our minds together and kind of was like, Okay, who's got the most potential, you know what I mean? And that's why you see guys like Jazz going up to two and Guzman falling a little bit and Victor Victor falling pretty hard. But I think that's the right way to kind of evaluate prospects is on is on ceiling, and I think when you look at it, you've got the guys with the highest ceilings at the top, and it just kind of shows where the Marlins are at right now in terms of, yeah, they've got a ton of talent at the top, but you can't say that they're a top heavy system because you look down the list a little bit and it's really really good somewhere in the middle, and then even towards the back end.
00:44:43
Speaker 7: It's definitely a credit to all aspects of baseball operations because you look at the various ways. Some of them have been acquired via trade, some of us have been drafted and developed, some of them have come from international baseball. It just speaks to how we've we've we've beefed up the entire organization and put the focus on building this thing the right way, putting ourselves on solid foundation.
00:45:06
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we came together and we put something really good together. I'm really I think we did a good job.
00:45:14
Speaker 5: I think this year too, I feel a lot better about their position player group, not just because of the names they have in it. Obviously they've had a lot of additions, but like there's no question they struggled to develop bats over the last two years. So this new staff they've got working. I mean, if you want to buy into Lewis Brinson's results, like you can kind of see it there. Even with Jazz Chisholm, there's been an active effort to reduce his swings and misses since he came into the system, and you've seen the results from the moment he stepped foot with the Jumbo Shrimp. And so I feel really good about the position player group they have now as compared to last year and obviously the year before. I think they'll do a lot better job like actually developing these guys into major league baseball players.
00:46:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's absolutely you know, just having this conversation really reminds you of just how stack the system has gotten. I think, you know, it's right there, right up there with the very best systems in baseball. I would put it in the top three. And I think that the list we put together looks very solid.
00:46:24
Speaker 6: They're just a couple of like little.
00:46:27
Speaker 3: Spots that I thought we might discuss maybe tad further. Just I feel like as a group, there's a little bit more confidence in Hurrah than Meisner, and I feel like, based on our discussion, maybe those two could switch spots being right next to each other. And then the same kind of situation with Osiris and Fitterer.
00:46:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we got to talk about Braxton. I mean, we basically just glossed over him. But yeah, well he did a tremendous job by just coming back from Tommy John surgery throwing strikes. He still has that amazing breaking ball, and it's not crazy to think that he has a little more velo coming back as he recovers from this surgery. He's never been a very high velocity guy, but he's been able to bring it up when he has to. So I'm really excited about him, and I kind of feel bad for not talking more about him.
00:47:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. When I did my like quick takes on the top thirty that came out from Pipeline, Like the first thing I noticed was Braxton being at six. I was like, oh wow, Like that kind of jumps off the page at chep. But it kind of makes a ton of sense. He was really good last year and he was a very high, you know, prospect when he came out of the draft, and he finally was healthy for a full season pretty much and he was really good. So yeah, it makes sense to have him really high in the system. And definitely he deserved a little more attention. He kind of got glossed over. But yeah, he's a guy that you have to be excited about and has huge potential to absolutely rock it up this list. Get back towards where he was when the system was depleted, and he was one of the most exciting guys and get himself back, and I think he can easily get himself back into the top one hundred.
00:48:21
Speaker 1: Agreed. And those notes that Spencer brought up, I agree with that. I mean, based on the discussion that we had flipping Gerar and Meisner, flipping Fitter and Osiris and I mean people. That's why we're putting together an article version of this so people can actually see the top thirty, because nobody's gonna actually remember all the words salad that comes out of my mouth when they read all those names back to back to back. So fishtrips dot Com has the article with this top thirty in order. There's gonna be write ups with it, little audio clips from everybody that was on this pod. It's detailing certain players. My specialty is getting the highlights, and I think I could get highlights of almost every one of these plays, whether it's right before they signed to go pro, we're actually pitching in pro games in the Marlins organization. That's going to be on there. The longest pod episode in Fishtripe's podcast history, and certainly the longest one on ets since we started that one about a year ago on the state and not exactly sure what our schedule is going to be with recording the stuff during the season. Last year it was really good between Ethan and Ian and Danny Martinez, like recording every single week. But it's a great unknown now now that we know that this stuff is going to be delayed, and whenever the major league season starts, we think that the minor league season will be a little bit behind that. So, yeah, this whole schedule is going to be messy.
00:49:39
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, yeah, I just want to say, if you're out there and you're listening and you want to watch baseball at any point this year, stay home, stay inside, Just do it just so we can get if for nothing else, just so we can watch the Marlins prospects take off again. Just please stay.
00:49:59
Speaker 1: Inside, echoing with Ian, Ethan and I and everybody what all of us are saying, stay home for the time being. Hands that will keep you entertained in the meantime, and make sure to subscribe to the pod and keep coming back for more. Great job, fellas,
Speaker 1: Hello. This begins part two of our fish Stripe's Top thirty Prospect List update. If you didn't listen to part one, you can stop right here and just go back to the previous episode. In this pod feed, they're connected at the hip. First episode over an hour long, looking at the top half of the Top thirty list. In this part two, we'll look at the bottom half of that list, as well as some honorable mentions, and then at the very end, connecting everything from top to bottom, number one through number thirty. Enjoy check that out to get you caught up on what I'm thinking with these rankings. I mean, this whole the second half of this Top thirty is going to be a big mess, because, oh my goodness, there's just so many good players to fit in. But I think from thirteen to sixteen, we already did the top twelve. Thirteen to sixteen, I had Connor Scott at thirteen, Nunez at fourteen, Devers at fifteen, and Verdict at sixteen, and then it's gonna be probably a bunch of pitchers after that. We okay with that thirteen to sixteen.
00:01:33
Speaker 2: I want, I am not I personally lost Verdict higher want Yeah, I want Verdick up there.
00:01:41
Speaker 3: I would.
00:01:41
Speaker 4: I'd honestly switch na seeing in verdict, right, I mean as we stand in right.
00:01:45
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I.
00:01:49
Speaker 5: Think you gotta knocking to seem a little bit because he hasn't hit very well and there is some questions on the viability of his switch hitting. The defense is obviously exceptional and so is the base running. So it's not that he's an awful prospect, but like I'd like to see him hit, and I'll take Verdick's smaller sample at an older age. With that raw power, I'll definitely knock him a couple of spots over there.
00:02:16
Speaker 1: Three and a half years age difference, though Burdick three and a half years older than ned Is.
00:02:21
Speaker 2: I personally would have Burdick at the top of that group. I love him, and I have had my doubts about Connor Scott. He's kind of a race some of that. He was really good last year and I kind of had to bite my tongue and eat my words on him a little bit. But I still, personally I think Burdick's got a little more power potential, and for that reason, Burdick at thirteen, I just, I just I know that won't go over like, I'm okay if you guys put Scott thirteen. I just want to put out there that I think Burdick should be the top of that group.
00:03:00
Speaker 5: Until Connor Scott elevates the ball more consistently. I'm perfectly fine with Burdick and his seventy raw power above Connor Scott. But I do like Connor Scott's tools, So either or could front this little section we have right now. But yeah, I think Verdick and Scott have to be at the top there then everyone else.
00:03:22
Speaker 3: I think I'm probably the hYP man on Scott, and I even have Burdick like just of hair behind him. So I think, you know, putting Burdick at the top of that group, uh A, okay with me. I think he's right there, and I connect with Scott. I would say that after those two, next up for me, probably ahead of Junyez, would be Jose Solace and Osiris Johnson.
00:03:49
Speaker 2: Well love Osirius, love Osirus. I love that right there. I'm here for that.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Just to get everybody cut up on Osiris, all the listeners. So Cyrus did not play regular season games last year. Right at the end of spring training, he had a tibial fracture his leg and ended up missing a couple months of action. He's able to return in instructional league. So that was way back in September. He's been fully healthy now for six plus months, so that's not going to affect him at all in twenty twenty. And he's still I mean, he's the youngest.
00:04:19
Speaker 6: Of those bunch.
00:04:20
Speaker 1: I think he's he's twenty, right, No, he's he's still he's nineteen nineteen. Yeah, he's still. He's actually, yeah, a little bit older than Let's see, was he drafted at seventeen, Yeah, he was.
00:04:33
Speaker 2: He was playing in Greensboro at seventeen. That's why I that's why I'm really high on him, is because the way the ball, the ball was jumping off his bat at seventeen years old was just insane. I you kind of have to keep him down the list a little bit in my mind personally, because you just don't know, you know, how much that injury really set him back. I mean it's you know, it's a leg and you know guys come, you know, come back from broken legs all the time, but got ten years old, you just have no idea what kind of effect that'll have on a guy and we haven't seen him play baseball in the year, so I guess you'll move him. You got to move him down because of that. But we talked about this in the last episode Eli and Spencer when we were on together. He if he performs the way he did when he was a rookie, he will fly up boards and I think there'll be a really good argument to put him in this part of the ranking. You know, three months into the season, I.
00:05:30
Speaker 5: Am actually a little more pessimistic on Osire's right now. I mean, most of it isn't really his fault. One. The Marlins were way too aggressive with him that he had no reason to be playing in Greensboro that early, and it showed. I mean, he struck out way too much and I don't know what type of impact that had on him, and then having to miss so much time with his leg. So I'm perfectly fine keeping him in the more like back half of this ranking and more of like a weight and see mode to see just like what he's developed since then, because he really has missed a lot of time.
00:06:09
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I mean I think I'm in the same boat with Osiris. I think he's ultimately going to end up as a left fielder or a third baseman in the end anyway. So that fact, besides the fact that he was the youngest person in the draft, and then the Marlins rushed in Lowa, which was a struggle almost with the same problems that Connor Scott has face. Is the rushing the same year, same draft class. They both were rushed. But now you add that a year and a year plus of miss time that Osiris just saw, and it's hard to move him ahead. A lot of these guys are talking about today, even somebody like Jose Salas. I think that Salas is going to be a top fifteen player in this in the system by mid season. I think he's got the potential to start the year in the GCL if we get a season this year. Excuse me, but he'll probably be the youngest player in the GCL. But he's played stateside before. He knows how to play over here. So I think he's got a real chance to be a higher prospect. And and everybody's in. Everybody's bored by the end of the year over our virus.
00:07:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really excited about Solace's tools, and I would rank him Oversyrus simply because he's healthy, and he's younger, and he's going to be stateside this year.
00:07:20
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we all agree on Solace over Osyrus.
00:07:26
Speaker 6: But how would we compare Solace in nasi.
00:07:31
Speaker 1: Ah.
00:07:33
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that seems like insane defense will hold them over Solace for now until we see Solace get some pro avs. So for now, I would keep Nuniaz ahead of him. But the upside on Solace is way higher than.
00:07:51
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I just I just don't know enough about Solace to uh put him over nasm personally. Everything I kind of know about him is just from listening to you guys and reading up on him a little bit, So I don't know enough to form a personal opinion. But I love Nasim's defensive potential, and he started off really good, hitting pretty well in the GCL last year, and showed a little bit of an ability to put the ball, you know, deeper into the outfield. And so because of that, because of the flashes of potential that I saw at the plate early on, I would probably keep him around that fourteen fifteen range.
00:08:36
Speaker 4: I think, if we're going to talk, I mean Sallas and Nassim, I think I'm going to take Salas at this point just for what we've seen out of Nassin. Could be he'll be twenty years old probably by the time or playing baseball again, or close to it. He's only think he's a little bit over nineteen now, so he'll be in Lowa next year or Clinton or in Clinton next year at twenty years old. He does not impact the ball yet with his bat. He was a little bit behind being a switch hitter. He didn't start switch hitting till about I think his junior year of high school, so it's took a long time for him to really figure out that switch hitting and to show power from both sides with solace. He has a grown man's body. At sixteen years old, he'll be in the same league that not Seen was in this year. At not Seeing year nineteen or age nineteen year, excuse me. I think he has the tools to be a twenty twenty type player when he's at his prime. He can play second, third, and short. Currently I don't think he'll end up at short due to his size, But as an overall player and his potential and what he can do going forward, I really like Jose Salas as an overall player. Even over and not seeing.
00:09:41
Speaker 5: My vote, I agree with that.
00:09:43
Speaker 6: My vote would be for Salas too, just because I think I we see you are getting that really high end bankable defense, and you're also getting base running ability that's going to be plus if beyond base percentages there to support it. However, I think you know the concerns about the hit tool with Nuniaz. I think that he'll hit enough for the tools to play, but I think it's kind of going to be just that he's not going to be a.
00:10:12
Speaker 3: High level offensive performer in terms of contact or power. I think the power is decent, not outstanding. I think you're going to want to see him develop develop a patient approach to uh get on base to support that speed. But I think all but the most optimistic projections for him right now, you're looking at a bottom of the order type of player, still, a guy who can be an everyday player, but offensively a bottom of the order kind of producer, whereas Solace has the potential to be that kind of top of the order producer. I do agree his most likely position is second base, but I like him a lot there.
00:10:53
Speaker 6: I think he can be an everyday player there, and.
00:10:56
Speaker 3: I tend to air a little bit more towards offense, at least when we're talking about two guys who are both.
00:11:04
Speaker 6: Going to be towards the upper end of the defensive spectrum.
00:11:06
Speaker 3: And Saulis still projects pretty well on that side of the ball too, even if he's not quite on Nunias as well.
00:11:13
Speaker 1: All Right, so I made some tweaks to that middle of the top thirty rankings. Listen to the people. I put Burdock at thirteen and Bernick at thirteen, Scott at fourteen, Salas Nunia's endeavors like fifteen to seventeen. But I want to jump back into some pitching. We're kind of overdue to talk about some pitchers that were right in this range at the previous update. Umberto Mahea, who had I mean, compared to the perception of him entering last year. He's a guy that made almost as big a jump as anybody, someone that had been in the organization what five or six years and had hardly gotten any recognition, but then put up amazing numbers with Clinton, got the promotion to Jupiter and for the time being getting an opportunity to develop as a starter, and he'd probably be the featured guy in the rotation for Jupiter when we open up next season. Who else We already mentioned a lot on Fitter. I mean, Fitter has to fit into these drinkings at some point, you know, considering the kind of upside that he has and how young he still is, still just a teenager. Also in this range, of course, we have Sterling Sharp, who is the Rule five pick, and he's going to be the oldest guy probably on this list. But Sterling Sharp was pretty good in his double A experience, pitched really well in the Fall League as well, and for what it's worth, in those spring training games he showed a lot and seems like a pretty safe lock to make the opening day roster, which means he's going to lose his prospect eligibility really early in the year anyway, but for the time being, you know, still considered a prospect. It has to fit in here. And the other one that of course Spencer mentioned before, and that's always on our minds. The man with the longest scoreless ending stra I think in all of professional baseball at the moment is Alex Vesia, who hasn't allowed to run since last July. He dominated in Jupiter in Jacksonville in the Fall League, in spring training. And if we're just looking at Vessias strictly as a reliever, which he has been so far in pro ball, then he just seems to have that simple formula that's going to translate into major league games at some point. And yes, when we try to put all these pitching in their perspectives, I guess Vessia considering some of the other pitchers we've already mentioned, like Guzman in Holloway, if they have really heavy reliever risk, and of course Vessia has a full blown reliever risk. But he's been so dominant in all his pro outings, like literally the most effective pitcher in minor league baseball since he was drafted in twenty eighteen. I mean, he's an automatic, slam down top thirty guy right even in the Marlin system.
00:13:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
00:13:54
Speaker 5: I think though Umberto Mahea might be a little too high on he's a little older for like being a guy that has to be on the forty man roster and having to start the year in Jupiter. I feel more comfortable ranking him around where like Dougger is there. It's like two guys who don't really have exceptional stuff, but they can kind of mix it and throw strikes and that has like allowed them to succeed up to now. But I think he might have been ranked a little too high. But yeah, and then I think Fitter and Sharp should definitely lead this group. Sharp because he's going to be a major leaguer, and I think the fact that he's already like almost there and he's throwing strikes in big league camp that helps him out. And Fitter's upside, I love him. I probably would have put him in the middle group around where Salus is, so i'd have them too up top, and then Umbert's a little lower.
00:14:53
Speaker 2: I'm pretty big on Mahia. I thought he was really good last year, and so I would have him a little higher. But yeah, I think Lewis is right. He's kind of like a like a you know, middle middle guy, Like he's that guy that comes up from Triple A to make spot starts and stuff, and then you know, he might keep him in the bullpen to eat some innings or maybe he turns into a pretty good bullpen arm. Fitterer was solid last year in the GCL. He was really solid two point three eight e r A. You know, struck out some guys a little high walk rate, but I'm a big fan of his and I thought he was really solid last year. And obviously he meant a lot to the Marlins because they dished out the money for him. So if they're excited about him, I trust the front office enough to be excited about him too. So yeah, I think him leading this group is pretty good. But I would kind of throw mesa junior somewhere in the middle of this group. I think he belongs right somewhere in between these pictures, right and then I'm pretty excited about that breaking ball look pretty nasty. In spring training, I think he made pitching ninja, so that's that's a big accomplishment for sure. But I think he's he's a guy that you know he's obviously we're gonna see him right away against big league hitters and so we'll know about him pretty quickly. But he seems like a really solid bullpen arm if that curve ball is as legitimate it seems. I don't know too much about Vessia, but I mean I listened to Ian about a lot of things because he's one of the smartest people I know when it comes to baseball and that's his guy right now. It seems so. Yeah, I think with his solid production out of the bullpen, and when you get down towards this part of the rankings, you know, we talked about Holloway and Guzman and how they probably project his relievers, and you have a guy that's actually dominating like that as a reliever. Yeah, I think he can. He can definitely make this area of the rankings.
00:16:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:17:00
Speaker 4: I mean talking about the guys we just brought up here, I think sticking at the front end of the deck group would be Evan Fitterer. He has a chance to have two sixty gray pitches going forward. He's not even twenty years old. He's got it and he's got projection. He has his ability to be a long term starter more than anybody else in this group that were mentioning behind that, I'm gonna go with my guy, Aux Vesier. He's just dominant. He's got he's got a change up he can throw in any count. He really just he just works any count with composure. He's not scared of any at any position, and any had that. He hit ninety eight off out of left hands a lot last year, which is pretty impressive. He sits ninety five. Usually he's got three pitches he throws. He's just not He's just ready for the moment every time.
00:17:46
Speaker 2: Seventeenth round, cal State East Bay from Alpaying, California. Alex is twenty three years old.
00:17:54
Speaker 4: He's deceptive. You could kind of see it, kind of holds the ball up by his ear.
00:17:58
Speaker 6: It seems like it's coming out of his head a little bit.
00:18:00
Speaker 2: Pitchers pitchers hitters don't seem to catch up to that.
00:18:03
Speaker 3: If he throws ninety two to ninety five and guys just don't make contact against it.
00:18:08
Speaker 4: Speaking about sharp, he's got a really good breaking ball. It's a really elite spin. But his fastball scares the absolute hell out of me. If he gets behind him counts as a major leaguer, he's gonna get hit hard. If he can work that, If he can work his slider and curveball in there as much as he does, then we really could have something. But I think he's in the lower bottom half of his top thirty just for potential of what he can do at the next level. I don't think he's going to be that higher, that high of a pick. I mean, he's going to be on our roster this year, in Miami's roster all a year as a as a Roll five pick, but I don't see the upside being that high. And the last guy on this list talking about excuse me, I think that's maybe all we talked about here, might be missing one, but yeah, I'm gonna go fitter Vesia and then sharp Hair.
00:18:53
Speaker 1: So well, I'll get the rest of the names out on the open. Other guys that were on the top thirty last time. We've already discussed everybody that was one through twenty one last year. Some of the other names will Banfield the only catcher, the only catcher hope. I guess that the Marlins have at at least at the full season level of the organization right now, and also from twenty seven on down. Brian Miller, the outfielder who's a former very early round draft pick, still great speedster. Robert Dugger is still prospect eligible for like another few innings, so we had to fit him in somewhere here, probably right at the ends where he was before. A guy that added some muscle over the offseason, and that translated pretty well in spring games. His fastball v low was up a couple of ticks. I mean, that was a big issue for him last year, and a big concern is that he simply in the same way that you just mentioned was Sterling Sharp someone like Dugger who were kind of worried about what he'd be able to do when he was behind in the count, and that burned him in the majors last year. But it seemed that he put in some work during the off season that definitely helped. We had Tristan POMPEII and number twenty nine last year. I know we were really excited about him in twenty eighteen, that first year coming out of the draft in Kentucky, but he took such a big drop off in twenty nineteen. A lot of that because of injury, but for whatever variety of reasons considering where like Pompey was in the outfielder hierarchy, you know at this time just a year ago, and where he is now. Just some of that his own doing, and some of that just because of all the other talent that's added into the organization. And jd Orr was also this is my guy.
00:20:36
Speaker 2: Can we get him up this list?
00:20:38
Speaker 5: Please?
00:20:39
Speaker 2: Please? Can we move him up a little bit?
00:20:42
Speaker 5: I got to mention one thing, because I mean, we're going off guys are already on this list. We need to rank Brady and Carnacion and like now, because he should not be in like the back half of the top twenty, I mean of the top thirty.
00:20:57
Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree needs to be.
00:21:02
Speaker 5: Like towards like twenty twenty one. Maybe because we're talking about real starter projection here with like a like legitimate ability to spin a breaking ball. So I like, this is a guy who could just take off and become a top pitching prospect in the system, So he needs to be in here. And sadly, I don't think Pompei belongs on this list when he has had a chance to play. He hasn't hit exceptionally well. He's pretty much stuck in left field and he hasn't played.
00:21:33
Speaker 2: So what about what about Luis Pelasios.
00:21:38
Speaker 5: I'm not feeling that. I don't think that until he can throw his fastball at least consistently above ninety miles per hour, like, it's tough to like rank him anywhere because I mean, you still have to like project towards the major leagues. His commands exceptional for his age, but it wouldn't work the way like, if you're looking at his current projection and his velocity, it just wouldn't work long term.
00:22:06
Speaker 4: I definitely the unknown with Colosios is what's got everybody so excited, and he's put up in insane numbers, and.
00:22:14
Speaker 2: His numbers are insane.
00:22:15
Speaker 5: That's why I said.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: It's exciting to watch it to look at what he said, But he's sitting at probably eighty six eighty seven right now. He doesn't he doesn't have a lot of run on his stuff, so it's hard to project what Plasios is going to do at the at the higher levels. You might see him in Clinton to start the this year, which is what we're all hoping to see. So if he puts up numbers in Clinton and shown some velocity, then maybe we can start ranking him. But putting in Carnaciona for Plasios is a no braining for me right now.
00:22:44
Speaker 5: And I gotta say I can't buy into the excitement on jd Or until he plays in the upper minor leagues. Obviously he's probably he's probably the fastest player in the entire organization. But I think that's what really has allowed him to succeed this much in Batavia and it's the same with like Milton Smith Junior. Like there's guys on Twitter who get really excited about him, but like you have to keep in mind that when you're playing in like lower levels, you're potentially facing very poor defenses where your speed can really just give you that insane boost and it can make you look a lot better than maybe where you'd be ranked on a prospect List's.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: One other guy that just included this mixe. He wasn't top thirty because we made the previous list before the Marlins traded Austin Dean and they surprisingly got something back in return for Dean, and they surprisingly got this outfielder that really dominated in the Dominican Summer League and the Cardinals organization. That would be deal Wheel Burgos, who's just gonna be nineteen this upcoming season, so finished last year in the GCL. If you're wondering, on pipeline and on fan grafts, they both have him comfortably inside the top thirty. And I guess, of course, if you compare him to someone like j d Orr, he certainly has time on his side, about four years younger than or is, and pretty decent power potential at this point. So I guess we got to find a spot for Burgos as well somewhere in here.
00:24:23
Speaker 6: Huh Yeah. I would definitely want to get Burgos into the list somewhere at the least.
00:24:29
Speaker 3: I think if you put him next to somebody like Will Banfield, there's a lot more to get excited about with Burgos. The power is real. Even though he's a smaller guy, he really hits the ball with a.
00:24:42
Speaker 6: Lot of juice. At this stage of his career.
00:24:44
Speaker 3: He runs, we'll see as the body mature, as if that continues to be part of his game, but he shows an exciting skill set from an offensive perspective, the kind of guy who you can envision potentially hitting towards the top of the order, with potential to impact the game in a lot of different ways.
00:25:02
Speaker 6: So I like him a lot.
00:25:03
Speaker 3: I thought that was an outstanding get on to get him for Austin Dean.
00:25:10
Speaker 6: And one other player.
00:25:11
Speaker 3: Who hasn't come up yet who I would definitely want to find a spot for here. In addition to breaking in Carnelascione, among those younger pitchers would be Chris Mogma. I think he's not quite as impressive at this stage as Fitterer. But similar kind of overall tools, like a lot of starter trades, potential for multiple above average pitches with starter command. I think that if you want to dream on him, you could have a number three four type starter there. Similar upside projection as you have a fitter there. It just hasn't been demonstrated to quite the same degree.
00:25:47
Speaker 2: And quantify some of these things. Some of the guys that Spencer just brought up. First of all, starting with Mokma, he only started five games, small sample size, but he had a two to one nine and a two five three FIP eight point seven six case per nine. Those are pretty good numbers for, you know, a high school guy. And he was another one of the like the money, big money signings that the Marlins put together in this draft. And then Burgos, I mean, his numbers kind of jump off the page at you. In the DSL last year three sixteen for twenty OBP five seventy nine s looking percentage, he had eleven home runs in fifty eight games. Okay, deal Will Burgos.
00:26:30
Speaker 5: He was a little older for a guy playing in the DSL, so we do, I think we do have to keep that in mind when we're looking at his stats. To keep it fair. But yeah, I mean, if he has the raw power and the tools to be excited about, that's fair. But he was a little older for his group. I just think, I just think to get that back for her, a guy like Austin Dean is pretty impressive.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean that's definitely something to you know, be excited about. I mean, his numbers. It looks like he went from one level of rookie ball to the to the next and then I don't know which level though, I don't know if it was DSL, the GCL or what, but when he was in the cardinal system, but those numbers, when he went to the second level of rookie ball, he hit three eighty two, four eighty one, and seven to twenty five and thirty six games, and he hit nine homers. He only struck out fifteen percent of the time. He had a two thirteen way to runs creative plus. So those are some crazy numbers right there. To that one. You look at what the Marlins got him for, that's some pretty good value.
00:27:37
Speaker 5: You know.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know that's one stat line, and you know that's one sample, and the breast of his sample isn't very good. But it's something to take note of. He's a guy to kind of put on the radar and keep an eye on. But yeah, he I am right there with Spencer. He definitely deserves a spot on this list, alrightya, some of the tough decisions I'm gonna make here and trying to fill out the top thirty, I think we agree hees squeezing Pompei off the list for the time being, holding off on jd Or for a little bit until he face his competition.
00:28:14
Speaker 1: That's kind of his own age. And I guess it's convenient because Dugger is going to graduate from prospect eligibility pretty soon anyway, that we could squeeze him off a little bit ahead of time in order to get some of these younger, higher upside guys on the list. But boy, it's so difficult to sort all this out.
00:28:33
Speaker 5: I definitely think though, with Badfield, we should keep him a little higher simply because he is a phenomenal defensive catcher.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: Phenomenal. I love his defense, and you may have mentioned you may have been going to mention this already, but there's a lot more power potential in him than has shown up in games, like when he actually squares up the ball. When you look at his average fly ball distance relative to other players like he does, he's not that far away from showing at least fifty power, if not a little bit higher than that. Of course, the question is just going to be whether he gets on base enough to be like a primary catcher.
00:29:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, his floor as a backup catcher is sure shot. Like he will play in the major leagues barring any like awful situation where he gets hurt or something. But like, I really believe that just because he will be at least a backup catcher and the shortage of catching, plus positionally it's never been like a strength to hit at catcher in general, you probably can like excuse his like poor showings in Clinton last year a little more than some other players.
00:29:48
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but I would understand that if you're hitting like two thirty to fifty, but when you're hitting below the Mendoza line, you gotta be a little careful. Yeah, I mean, that's just my personal that's just my personal opinion.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: Though Austin Hedges has still been like about a two win player for the last few years by playing top level defense and running into a handful of homers every season. I think that you have with Banfield, like the rough power is definitely there when he does make contact. He tends to get to that power, but the contact isn't there in below minors. I don't think it's really ever going to be there, Like if you really everything really clicks. He could be like a Jake Rogers kind of type. But I mean, thus far, Jake Rodgers has it hit in the majors, and I think it's kind of like that Rogers Hedges kind of profile. But I don't think that Bandfield is the defender that Hedges is, certainly, and I'm not sure that he's quite even as good as Rogers is. I think there's a little bit of residual prospects shine on him because he was such a decorated prep player, But I I don't see the bat like I do think he's a high probability backup catcher, but I don't see backup catchers as top prospects.
00:31:09
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, finish up sure.
00:31:13
Speaker 3: I mean, like, at least in a system this strong, I don't know that I have a backup catcher in the top thirty. Like I do think there are skills to like with Banfield, but I think when you are only ranking out to thirty names, he's just off of that cutline for me.
00:31:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, first of all, I agree with Lewis and with you Spencer, that his defense gets him too the major leagues because it is exceptional. I mean, he was throwing guys out left and right every night last year, So you know, I do agree that his defense gets him to the majors, But you're kind of a little less worried about it because I thought what we saw from Alfaro besides the strikeouts last year was really positive and now you're kind of like, Okay, that kind of takes some of the pressure off of Banfield. And I think the Marlins have some guys that kind of need a little bit of pressure taking off of them, Like we talked about Brinston last episode. We talked about Mason Junior. Sorry I always get them confused about Victor Victor last episode. And now you talk about a guy like Banfield who might have a little bit of the pressure off of him and one year older, maybe starts hitting a little better. But yeah, I think because he has major league potential and he's a guy that's going to be in the majors. He's going to be towards the bottom, but I think we can just kind of squeak him onto the list a little bit.
00:32:32
Speaker 5: I'd also expect Banfield to have some competition in the near future. This isn't coming from a source or anything, but I'm fully certain like within the first four or five picks, they're going to select the catcher, like they're so hollowed out at that position they need to address it.
00:32:51
Speaker 6: It is a very strong catching class this year, so it's a good time to be in that position.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, you're listening to our Top thirty prospect list update, and if you fast forwarded to for whatever reason, you fast forwarded over an hour into our rankings, and Youreta's point. We're gonna try to sort out the back half of this top thirty, which is gonna look quite a bit different from the previous update. To this point, I had our one through seventeen ranked, and that first top seventeen it ended off with like all those young shortstops Salas and Nunez Endeavors. So from eighteen to thirty, I'm just gonna spit out some names. Eighteen to thirty and you guys yell at me about any that you think are egregiously wrong, all right? Eighteen with George Guzman nineteen, Osiris twenty, Fitterer twenty one, Holloway twenty two, Vesia twenty three, Victor Mesa Junior twenty four, Brady and Cronacion twenty five, Deal, Will Burgos twenty six, Stirling Sharp twenty seven, Umberto Mahea twenty eight, Will Banfield twenty nine, Victor Victor Mesa in thirty Brian Miller. Which one of those can you not live with?
00:34:15
Speaker 3: I would move Guzman down about ten spots personally, that might be a little extreme for some of us.
00:34:23
Speaker 6: I would have forgive me. I would have Holloway a handful of spots lower.
00:34:32
Speaker 3: I would push off Miller in favor of Mokma, and I would move in Carnacion up a little bit.
00:34:39
Speaker 6: Those are the ones that stood out to me.
00:34:42
Speaker 5: I actually feel bad ranking Miller so low because he just hits like he I know, double a. He kind of took a step back, like trying to hit more five balls. But I think his contact ability has some role in the major leagues. It's just tough to sort it out when his defense isn't particularly exceptional, and he doesn't run the bases that great, but well, not that great, I'm sorry, just not as great as you would expect his speed to allow him to. But yeah, I think he definitely has a spot on this list. I don't feel great about him so close to thirty, but I guess that's just how it's gonna have to end up. But I would probably move up Victor Victor a bit because of the defense in the arm, and Victor Mason Junior probably knock him up a couple of spots too.
00:35:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put it was Guzmann and then Holloway.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: Right Guzman a few spots at a Halloway.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: And.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Who was in front of Halloway, I would put Mesa in front of Oh, it was Holloway, and then Bessie or Bessi and then Halloway. I would put Mesa Junior up over those two. Uh, and then I Brian Miller is like a fourth outfielder at best, and with the amount of outfield talent the Morelands having this system right now, I just don't feel great about putting a fourth outfielder ceiling on the top thirty list. So I like the I like Mokma, I would personally vouch for jd Or, but I'm more than okay with getting a.
00:36:15
Speaker 5: High school guy.
00:36:16
Speaker 2: The Marlins are high on with a good looking ceiling on this list.
00:36:21
Speaker 1: Hallway a few spots. Maybe just flip him in Brady Brady.
00:36:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Brady.
00:36:30
Speaker 5: For sure, and I agree with that.
00:36:33
Speaker 6: Do we have where do we have Vezia in relation to the other pictures at the moment.
00:36:38
Speaker 1: I haven't been twenty I have him twenty two right next to Fitter and Brady.
00:36:43
Speaker 3: Between Twitter and Brady. Yeah, yeah, I like I like that.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: Wait where is Burgos?
00:36:50
Speaker 1: Virgo said twenty five? Okay?
00:36:52
Speaker 2: Cool?
00:36:53
Speaker 5: I said, to finish up without him by the way.
00:36:57
Speaker 1: Well, yeah we did. We have gone pretty long this Yeah, is.
00:37:01
Speaker 5: It his internet like shot out or something. That's how he described it. So that sucks all right, but this is tough. But I mean, I think I don't know if man is that. Brady's ceiling seems pretty great. I think I would still keep Fitter just above him for now, let's see. I mean, Guzman has to be lower than Holloway in my opinion, and then yeah, just Mason Junior a little higher.
00:37:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Mason Junior. I think after Osiris, I believe was the last position player we had ranked.
00:37:40
Speaker 5: I think he should be above Osirius. I think that's that's the switch I would like to make. I think Mesa should replace Osiris at his spot, probably just swapped them because I mean, he did even have more success than Osiris in the g c L and I think they were about the same.
00:37:56
Speaker 3: Age is absolutely more polished, better pure hitter than Osiris at this stage.
00:38:05
Speaker 6: I just think there is so much more.
00:38:07
Speaker 3: Power, you know, Osirius's profile, and that's what has me with him a little ahead of Mesa, but I think definitely in that rage. For me personally, it's right after Osiris. I have Masa Junior and Burgos as kind of ahead of the pack in terms of position players.
00:38:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. I like that.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at the very end, we want to switch Miller with Malkma of Chris Makoma rounding it out.
00:38:36
Speaker 3: I would be in support of that just for the reason. The way I see it, Mochoma has potential to develop into a long term starter. I think, you know, the most likely projection in that role would be a number four starter, and if he gets a little further.
00:38:51
Speaker 6: Along his development.
00:38:52
Speaker 3: I mean, Nick knighterd is a likely number four starter according to most people, and he's a great deal higher on the list. So I think when you look, get a guy who has a similar kind of projection, and Monk may even throws a little bit harder than somebody like Nier who's just a couple of years earlier in their development. That's a guy I like to put on the back end of the list just because the potential is there for him to rise as much as fifteen spots in the future.
00:39:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that lot.
00:39:20
Speaker 2: That all right.
00:39:23
Speaker 1: Let me see if there's anybody else that I had written down I didn't mention, of course, when a year ago there was some excitement about Will Stewart coming over in the real Muto trade, and at the very beginning of the year he had a couple excellent outings, and then he had a couple at the end of the year, and then in between then he kind of got lit up at Jupiter, but still only twenty two years old and still has that nasty change up with him. He was a top thirty guy for most of last year. But I think at a certain point when you just have concerns about his fastball having being able to get by anybody, that probably drops him outside the list for now. We're gonna leave Lassos outside the list for now. I'm keeping an eye on Josh Robertson who what he's gonna be twenty four this upcoming year. He's had Tommy John surgery in the past, and then last year he missed a lot of time with another arm injury. But when he was healthy, he was pretty electric. He's another guy that I guess a very different roster status than Guzman or Holloway, but the same type of stuff and you know, the same type of weaknesses too when you look at his reliever risk and his age relative to his level of competition. But someone to keep an eye on. And I guess he's not top thirty for the moment.
00:40:36
Speaker 6: I mean, I got I Yeah.
00:40:37
Speaker 3: I think he's a great name to bring up, and I think you can make a good case for.
00:40:42
Speaker 6: Him for one of those last couple of spots.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: I think the parallel drawing between him and Halloway is a good one. I think there definitely similarity think between their profiles. Then with both guys, if you really want to dream like maybe you can coax a starting.
00:40:56
Speaker 6: A picture out of it.
00:40:59
Speaker 5: I think the Stewart though there's there was like a mechanical problem that there was to address there, But I think his stuff is actually very good. So I don't know if he has a role in this top thirty right now, but I think it's a guy who if he makes the changes he needs to make, that he'll he'll jump right back in and right like. That's the thing. I wouldn't feel great about him in a bullpen, so it's it's kind of swing or miss with him as a starting pitcher. But I think as a starter he kind of does play up with that heavy sink and like his change up.
00:41:38
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I don't I don't think Stewart's a lost cause I think I have. I sort of think of him in tandem with Sterling Sharp. They kind of share some similarities. Both of them are more they're pitching styles oriented towards generating weak contact, whether it's striking guys up, and Stewart does throw significantly harder than Sharp, but he's not as fully realized. And I agree with you when you say that he doesn't project, especially while in the bullpen, because he doesn't really have like that kind of one pitch he can really lean on in that kind of role. And I don't think that what he's shown recently looks like that kind of number four starter that he looked like a little earlier on. But if he can iron out those kinks mechanically, the possibility is still there for him to fit into the back end of rotation because he does have a nice diverse artisenal and saw rock solid fastball philosophy.
00:42:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
00:42:42
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to take a deep breath and read this top thirty that we got here from the beginning. Number one, number one, six, Dough Sanchez, number two, Justism number three, JJ Blodeh number four, Edward Cabrera number five, Hey Suss Sanchez, number six, When Diaz seven, Monte Harrison eight, Braxton Garrett nine, Trevor Rodgers ten, Cameron Meisner eleven, jurar In Karnacion number twelve, Nick Nider thirteen, Peyden Verdict fourteen, Connor Scott fifteen, Jose Salas sixteen, Nasim Nuniaz seventeen, Jose Devers eighteen, Osiris Johnson nineteen, Evan Fitterer, And then I made some changes to the rest of these twenty now, Victor Mesa Junior twenty one, Brady and Karnacion twenty two, Alex Vessia twenty three, Dial wiel Bergos twenty four, George Guzman twenty five, Jordan Holloway twenty six, Sterling Sharp twenty seven, m Berto Mahea twenty eight, Victor Victor Mesa twenty nine, Will Banfield and thirty Chris Mokma.
00:43:53
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I think I'm a big fan of how we kind of went big on ceiling. You know, we brought our minds together and kind of was like, Okay, who's got the most potential, you know what I mean? And that's why you see guys like Jazz going up to two and Guzman falling a little bit and Victor Victor falling pretty hard. But I think that's the right way to kind of evaluate prospects is on is on ceiling, and I think when you look at it, you've got the guys with the highest ceilings at the top, and it just kind of shows where the Marlins are at right now in terms of, yeah, they've got a ton of talent at the top, but you can't say that they're a top heavy system because you look down the list a little bit and it's really really good somewhere in the middle, and then even towards the back end.
00:44:43
Speaker 7: It's definitely a credit to all aspects of baseball operations because you look at the various ways. Some of them have been acquired via trade, some of us have been drafted and developed, some of them have come from international baseball. It just speaks to how we've we've we've beefed up the entire organization and put the focus on building this thing the right way, putting ourselves on solid foundation.
00:45:06
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we came together and we put something really good together. I'm really I think we did a good job.
00:45:14
Speaker 5: I think this year too, I feel a lot better about their position player group, not just because of the names they have in it. Obviously they've had a lot of additions, but like there's no question they struggled to develop bats over the last two years. So this new staff they've got working. I mean, if you want to buy into Lewis Brinson's results, like you can kind of see it there. Even with Jazz Chisholm, there's been an active effort to reduce his swings and misses since he came into the system, and you've seen the results from the moment he stepped foot with the Jumbo Shrimp. And so I feel really good about the position player group they have now as compared to last year and obviously the year before. I think they'll do a lot better job like actually developing these guys into major league baseball players.
00:46:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's absolutely you know, just having this conversation really reminds you of just how stack the system has gotten. I think, you know, it's right there, right up there with the very best systems in baseball. I would put it in the top three. And I think that the list we put together looks very solid.
00:46:24
Speaker 6: They're just a couple of like little.
00:46:27
Speaker 3: Spots that I thought we might discuss maybe tad further. Just I feel like as a group, there's a little bit more confidence in Hurrah than Meisner, and I feel like, based on our discussion, maybe those two could switch spots being right next to each other. And then the same kind of situation with Osiris and Fitterer.
00:46:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we got to talk about Braxton. I mean, we basically just glossed over him. But yeah, well he did a tremendous job by just coming back from Tommy John surgery throwing strikes. He still has that amazing breaking ball, and it's not crazy to think that he has a little more velo coming back as he recovers from this surgery. He's never been a very high velocity guy, but he's been able to bring it up when he has to. So I'm really excited about him, and I kind of feel bad for not talking more about him.
00:47:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. When I did my like quick takes on the top thirty that came out from Pipeline, Like the first thing I noticed was Braxton being at six. I was like, oh wow, Like that kind of jumps off the page at chep. But it kind of makes a ton of sense. He was really good last year and he was a very high, you know, prospect when he came out of the draft, and he finally was healthy for a full season pretty much and he was really good. So yeah, it makes sense to have him really high in the system. And definitely he deserved a little more attention. He kind of got glossed over. But yeah, he's a guy that you have to be excited about and has huge potential to absolutely rock it up this list. Get back towards where he was when the system was depleted, and he was one of the most exciting guys and get himself back, and I think he can easily get himself back into the top one hundred.
00:48:21
Speaker 1: Agreed. And those notes that Spencer brought up, I agree with that. I mean, based on the discussion that we had flipping Gerar and Meisner, flipping Fitter and Osiris and I mean people. That's why we're putting together an article version of this so people can actually see the top thirty, because nobody's gonna actually remember all the words salad that comes out of my mouth when they read all those names back to back to back. So fishtrips dot Com has the article with this top thirty in order. There's gonna be write ups with it, little audio clips from everybody that was on this pod. It's detailing certain players. My specialty is getting the highlights, and I think I could get highlights of almost every one of these plays, whether it's right before they signed to go pro, we're actually pitching in pro games in the Marlins organization. That's going to be on there. The longest pod episode in Fishtripe's podcast history, and certainly the longest one on ets since we started that one about a year ago on the state and not exactly sure what our schedule is going to be with recording the stuff during the season. Last year it was really good between Ethan and Ian and Danny Martinez, like recording every single week. But it's a great unknown now now that we know that this stuff is going to be delayed, and whenever the major league season starts, we think that the minor league season will be a little bit behind that. So, yeah, this whole schedule is going to be messy.
00:49:39
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, yeah, I just want to say, if you're out there and you're listening and you want to watch baseball at any point this year, stay home, stay inside, Just do it just so we can get if for nothing else, just so we can watch the Marlins prospects take off again. Just please stay.
00:49:59
Speaker 1: Inside, echoing with Ian, Ethan and I and everybody what all of us are saying, stay home for the time being. Hands that will keep you entertained in the meantime, and make sure to subscribe to the pod and keep coming back for more. Great job, fellas,
