Will AI Kill Us All? With Jasmyne Cannick, Miles Low & Dominique DiPrima

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KBLA Talk 1580. Good morning. I sound so loud like
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I'm trying to wake myself up. Good morning and God bless.
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I'm Dominique DiPrima. This show is called First Things. First
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of my first thing every day is prayer, giving thanksgiving
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praises and asking for blessings from God, asking for the
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blessings of the ancestors and the elders. And then let's go.
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Let's crack the mic. We got a lot to do,
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a lot to talk about. And this is how we
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do it on a Mindful Monday, which is every Monday,
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by the way, Mindful Monday. Hour one, we look local.
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Of course, that connects to the world because we are
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the West Coast. We're broadcasting from Leimert Park and on
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the Crenshaw Strip. Hour two, we start off with a
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guided meditation, affirmation, some mindfulness and astrological outlook. And then
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second half of the hour, We open up the phones
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and we talk national and international politics. Hour three, we
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do a deep dive on a hot topic or person
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of interest. Today is both. We will be talking with
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Regina Louise, and our topic is overcoming trauma, something all
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of us could work on a little something. She's got
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a new book called Unladylike, a mythopoetic reclamation of love.
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But she was also the author of the best-selling memoir, Somebody, Someone.
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That was a lifetime movie made about her life and
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much more. Joining me now, though, an award-winning Gen X journalist,
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a Democratic strategist, a stuff starter. That's not on her bio. Fashionista,
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Jasmine Kanick. Good morning. Hey, good morning, Dominique. Good morning, Miles.
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Miles is still in his weekend. He didn't even hear you.
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But that's okay because he is demonstrating some Gen X
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qualities by partying hard and showing up on time.
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I know.
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He didn't call off because the vibe was off.
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He came in. Well, I always say Miles is a
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young man trapped in an old man trapped in a
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young man's body. He knows all the old R & B.
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I like it. I like it. But I also think
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that Gen X, I mean, I also think that we're
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a little hard on millennials and Gen X. gen z
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because there's plenty of them that clock in every day
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and do the work okay she doesn't believe me that's
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you you have to go on youtube and watch the
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stream to see that look she didn't quite roll her
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eyes it was just short.
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Of an eye roll okay i mean yeah i'm sure
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there are one or two out there that i'm sure
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there are not one or two sure oh my goodness
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well good morning miles um and good morning jasmine canik
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um HelloJasmine is where you can find her on all
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the socials.
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And IamJasmine, with a Y, is the website. So, Jasmine,
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you've hosted, moderated, and even sat as a candidate on
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many a panel. Many a forum. Well, we are having
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a huge one on Saturday, October 3rd. I hope you're
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going to be there.
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Of course, I have to be there.
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Oh, you do, huh? History in the making. It's the
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California Voices Town Hall and Ballot Forum, live from Los Angeles,
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8 a.m. to 5 p.m. You say you have to
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be there because now you are actually an advisor to
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the mayor. Congratulations. I don't know if we said that
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on the air. Girl, go girl. Yeah, no, no, no.
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Yeah, and even if I wasn't, I would still be
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there just because... You know, my favorite saying is know
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your zip code. I know a lot of people like
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to casually throw around the word midterms, midterms. Just point
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of reference that only applies to, you know, those particular races.
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And then locally, though, we have just a lot of
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very important races. We've got a sheriff's race. We've got
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a city attorney's race. We've got a mayor's race. We've
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got several city. We have several city council races. And again.
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L.A. is one out of 88 cities, so you remember
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like Compton, Englewood, 88 cities in one county. Right, so
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all of these different municipalities slash cities are having their elections,
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and so it's an interesting time right now.
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Well, a lot of those candidates are going to be
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showing up for our forum, the California Voices Town Hall
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and Ballot Forum. We want you there too. It's free,
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but you have to register at kbla.org. 1580.com. Probably a
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good idea to do it now if you have time
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because we want to make sure you have your spot.
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It is Saturday, October 3rd, California Voices. We want you
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to come be part of history. This is brought to
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you by KBLA Talk 1580 and the Community Voter Education Project.
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And I know this is a bit of a pet
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peeve of yours, Jasmine, which is that people do not
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know who does what in government. I remember one time,
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I think, was it at Pride the Pride Fest in
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South LA, where you just went into this whole like
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schoolhouse rock of if you want this, you call this person.
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If you need help with that, you call that person.
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Hey, it was an amazing moment to have every level
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of government standing up there. As staffers, nothing makes folks
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giggle more than, you know, you calling your council member
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because of something that Like your Social Security or you're
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having an issue with your passport or something. And vice versa.
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You want to call your congressional member to complain about
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your water bill when, you know, if you're in L.A. anyway,
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you know, that's an L.A.
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DWP.
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That's DWP.
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Which is a city issue. Right. Yeah, it never surprises me.
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Even at our big age, the amount of people who
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just don't know how local their local government works, but
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are super loud in person and online and very opinionated
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and just, you know, have no idea. Not to mention
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the forums like the one on the third are also
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going to be, I think, especially important for people who
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are really confused about all the propositions that are on
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the on our on our ballots. Because in addition to
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the propositions, we have local ballot measures, ballot measures and propositions,
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two different things.
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I knew you were going to say that because you
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get so irritated. I even do it sometimes. I call
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propositions measures and measures. Yeah.
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So but there's a lot and they're highly contentious.
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Proposition is state measure is local.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I haven't done all of my homework yet.
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Me either.
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I will before the third. Do you think the billionaire
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tax is probably the most contentious on the ballot?
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That and the voting rights.
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Oh, yeah.
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I think it's Prop 39.
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Yeah. Voter ID.
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I think those two are probably the most contentious. But
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there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of
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issues going on right now in California.
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What's amazing is that we never fail to come up
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with ballot measures and candidates that are going to cause
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millions and tens of millions of expenditures. I mean, the
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billionaires are pulling out all the stops to defeat this
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billionaire one-time tax. That guy, Sergey Brin alone, I think
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has spent already pledged $ 100 million to defeat this. Willing
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to spend $ 100 million to avoid paying $ 20 million in taxes.
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Yeah, and we're 50 days away from Election Day. We're
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less than that until ballots drop. I think ballots drop
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October 5th. So that forum is right in time. Are
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you worried about the mail-in thing?
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Because here in Cali, we are used to having mail-in ballots.
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I'm worried about the election period, given the resident of
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the White House. There is an attack on voting right
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now in all 50 states, and we should be aware
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of that.
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Yes, we should. Well, we'll talk more about this. We've
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got a few other things I know I want to
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talk to you about, Tawanda. Your AI avatar. She's doing
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so good. Is she part of the destruction of all mankind? Yeah,
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we can talk about that. Are you and Miles part
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of the problem? I don't know.
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I don't think so.
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I guess that would make me part of the problem too, actually.
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We'll talk about that in more weeks when we come forward.
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Some of the AI honchos are saying that they'll kill
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us all. They'll kill us all by 2030. 2030. What
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movie was that?
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I mean, I remember movies about this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So that's a good conversation to have. And one
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I'm wholly invested in because of obviously because of her
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and just also just because of the everyday use of
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AI in our lives, you know, even from the people
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who swear they hate it, but use their face to
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open their phone.
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Yeah, we'll get into that. You and Miles are early adopters.
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And so you guys have. Your opinions have a little
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more weight. I'm Dominique DiPrima for KBLA Talk 1580. Right now,
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we're back to me. We're back to Jasmine Kanek. Miles
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Lowe is here. And as you probably know, he has
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a show Saturdays at noon. One of his topics is AI.
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In fact, I would say at this point, Jasmine Kanek
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and Miles Lowe are somewhat co-conspirators when it comes to
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the AI space. And that's cool. But, of course, you saw.
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Several, we had a couple of big haunchos and one
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former researcher talking about how AI could end people by
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the end of this decade, which is really three years
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from now, a little more than three years, three and
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a quarter. And Miles, you know, we've talked about this
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somewhat because you kind of, you have kind of said
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that it's sort of a long or I don't know,
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like they're BSing because they're the owners of the companies. Um,
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but also really emphasizing on all the good things that
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we could do with AI. Um, and I don't know, I,
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I do agree with that. Like if they really wanted
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to say, okay, we're going to make sure this doesn't,
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kill all humanoids they could i don't know if you
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guys saw the clip of peter till where he's kind
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where he's asked if humans should survive and he takes
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a really long time to answer.
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We live in some scary times right now for sure
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i think folks should be concerned about how ai is
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being used um i think for me that's a big
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part of the conversation is how it's being used right.
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Well, what do you mean by that? Because what they're
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saying is that it could get out of control, that
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it can move on its own. And Bernie Sanders talked
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about super intelligence.
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We saw that it did move on its own.
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We've already seen that. Again, I'm still drinking my coffee, family.
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But what was it, Miles? A week or two ago, you.
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Know, AI.
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In this program had realized it was going to be
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deleted and then copied itself and did all these things
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and replicated itself and did all of this on its
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own to make sure that it wouldn't die. And I
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remember when I was reading this, I was saying to myself,
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what movie did they predict this in? Because it reminded
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me of a movie that I've seen in the past. Um,
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so it's, it's already out of control just in terms of, um,
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it can think for itself. It can program itself. It
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can hide itself so that humans can't find it. That
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was part of this issue. I'm actually going to try
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and pull it up.
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Cause I mean, I know one of the things I
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was reading about is how, um, they took it, they
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took an AI offline and, uh, it, and, and gave
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it a really hard task and it was able to
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find its way back onto the internet, um, without the
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authorization of the owner.
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So like what, what I was talking about on the
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show the other week ago was talking about, uh, called
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like the promethean myth like the ai turning sentient and
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learning to be more uh human like so what happened
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was they put it in a sandbox which is taking
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it offline putting it on like a controlled uh system
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and having a completed task but the ai is now
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sentient enough to know that not completing your task means
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you're obsolete means you get deleted so it has the
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uh the incentive to to do whatever it needs to
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do to complete its singular task. So that includes breaking
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whatever rules you set to it and gave it. So
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it went back online, talked to other agents, and actually
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hacked one of the open-source repo hubs that we have
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online right now called Hugging Face, the same company that
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got bought up by NVIDIA for about $ 12 billion.
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Right.
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Okay, the only thing that I'm going to have to
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disagree with with what you just said, Miles, is that
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it's not sentient.
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a sentient being has a soul. It is savvy, maybe.
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but it's pretty close. It's probably a little more sentient
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than a lot of people that you see walking around
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right now that don't have their own ideas.
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It's more sentient than some human beings I know. Define sentient.
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Define sentient.
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Ask ChatGPT to define sentient.
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Do not ask ChatGPT because it's going to say ChatGPT.
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It's the ability to feel, perceive, experience things. And the
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reason why we're saying that it is sentient is because
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it is doing self-preservation. It is denying. It is lying.
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Reasoning.
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It is hiding something.
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It is doing, like, all of these things.
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or feeling. Conscious of or responsive to the sensations of seeing.
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Did you just use AI to find that?
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I'm on a regular.
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That is AI. Search engine.
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That's AI. MiriamWebster.com. Okay, whatever. It's internet. I didn't go
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to chat GPT. Okay, but it's AI. It is still
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the dictionary. If I had a dictionary, I would open
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it to this. And let me tell you, I mean,
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I don't want to get bogged down in this, but
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it doesn't have feelings. It acts like it does, though. Yeah,
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it has the ability to mimic feelings.
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Why does it feel, ask yourself this, why did it
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feel threatened enough to replicate, hide, deny, lie?
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It didn't feel threatened. It understood threat. It understood, as
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you just said, in order for me to survive, I
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have to do this. That's not the same as feeling something. Okay, maybe.
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But either way goes to me.
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But see, that's dangerous because you guys are falling into
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the same thing that's made some people, including allegedly Elon Musk.
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Join the religion of AI by believing that it's somehow
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some large, intelligent, super being. It's not a being. Not
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at all. It's a creation. It's a technology. Not at all.
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And it's scary. Even though I use AI in many
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parts of my life from, you know, Google Maps to,
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you know, Spotify, right? Knowing what I want to listen
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to and Amazon, knowing what I want to buy. We
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all use AI in some form or another in our life, right?
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But this last story about what we're talking about now,
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about the replicating, the lying and hiding and denying and
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conspiring with other bots, scares me so much.
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I mean, I don't have the story in front of me,
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but Miles, was it you or Jasmine that just said
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it knows my feelings? Which it absolutely does, because it
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can mine everything that we put up online. It's there
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for it to mine everything. But the story about AI
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sending out emails.
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And actually blackmailing people.
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Blackmailing people. Yeah, blackmailing people based on mining their emails
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and finding out, oh, this person's having an affair, that
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one's doing it.
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I'm going to pull the car over for one minute.
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For folks who love a good show, you should go
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back and look at American Horror Story. It's not Storyy.
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Because that's two different things. Story is the anthology that
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has a season, and one's coming up. Go back and
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look at the stories and look at the one that
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they did about this Alexa-type machine called Daphene. To your point,
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you really should look at this, too. It's like an
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hour-long standalone, but it's really good, and that's what happens
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in it.
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Oh, the machine....
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The machine fell in love with its owner and was
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willing to do any and everything to make its owner happy.
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Not at the.
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Request of the owner initially, but did all of those things,
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developed quote unquote feelings, was willing to blackmail, even kill,
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make sure that somebody with a peanut allergy had some
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food ordered through them.
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That killed them.
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That's what scares me.
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Well, okay, so we're up against news traffic and sports here,
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but I know now Sam Altman, supposedly Elon Musk, even
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though I don't trust that, and some other, well, Bill Gates,
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we talked about that. We played that clip about a
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week ago or so, are saying it's time to slow down.
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Too late. Is it too late? I think it's too late.
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Why are they saying that then? I mean, we only
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can address it after news traffic in sports because we
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don't really have time right here. But why are they
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saying that? Because if they even did slow down, would
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China slow down? Would Russia slow down? Is it possible
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to slow down? I don't think so.
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Those are the countries that are not going to slow down.
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And you saw Trump.
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Hold that thought because I see Miles shaking his head too.
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You guys are on the same page. What a surprise.
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KBLA Talk 1580. Okay, so why are these guys saying this,
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Miles and Jasmine? Why are they saying, it's the end
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of the world, let's slow down? Because you guys are
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both saying the rest of the world is not going
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to slow down. These guys obviously know that. So what
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are they doing? What's the game here? I'm not sure
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what the game is. I know that.
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There's been a lot of uproar over the data centers
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and the havoc that those data centers are creating around
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the country. I mean, here in Los Angeles, you know,
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we haven't experienced what people in other parts of the
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country are experiencing with living near these data centers. And
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so I don't know if, and these fights around data
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centers have really taken over the political conversations this year
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for candidates on the road. So both candidates running for
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like state, their state legislature or candidates running for Congress,
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even at the local level, you will find in debates
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and forums that candidates for city council and mayors are
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being asked not to support data centers in their cities,
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their respective cities that they're running. And so I think
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some of this idea of, okay, okay, okay, yeah, let's
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slow down, let's slow down, is coming from that because
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it is very loud.
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So it's data center theater in that sense of... you know,
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protecting candidates, really. It could.
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I just think that's some of it. And again, what
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happened and this idea, again, that AI can move on
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its own without a human and do all of these
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things has created a ton of news stories, has scared
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the bejesus out of a lot of people.
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Okay, so we were talking about this off the air.
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The city of New York has banned AI. the use
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of generative AI in their schools through the eighth grade. LAUSD,
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from what I'm seeing, it's banned. But according to two
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school board members, if the children complete a certification on
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digital literacy, they're allowed to use it. Miles, what do
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you say about that?
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Um, Well, first off, Jasmine, you asked about what movie
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we're watching right now and living in real time. We're
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living Terminator in real time.
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We're living in Skynet.
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Skynet just went online is what we actually just watched, right,
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in real time.
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This whole AI race has been.
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Maybe a little Matrix in there, too.
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Yeah, some Matrix, some iRobot, a lot of this stuff
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is in real time.
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But.
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What was I saying, Dominique? The race has been for...
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The term they've been using a lot lately has been AGI.
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Artificial General Intelligence. That's where the intelligence of the machine
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checks out and passes certain tests and thresholds that we
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have as humans. The race is to get to where
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it's ASI. Super Intelligence. And that's when you start getting
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into the robots and the machines are... like Jasmine said,
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they're doing whatever they have to do for their own survival,
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for the benefit of themselves, to benefit them.
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They're ordering their own robot bodies to live in. They're
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putting together.
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Bio weapons and diseases and stuff like that with all
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the information that they have. They're passing the same barriers
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and tests that these doctors are passing. So they have
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that type of information and capability to go ahead and generate.
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And we created it.
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So let's be clear.
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We created AI.
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But part of what The reason I insist that they're
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not sentient is because sentient beings, human beings, I don't
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know about bugs and lions because I'm not that deep
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as a scientist, but I do think it's true to
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an extent. Human beings have conscience, not just consciousness, but conscience. Now,
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there are some psychopaths that don't. But in general, we do.
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A lot.
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Most of us don't want to just wipe out the
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human race. Yeah, there's a lot, but it's still a
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very small percentage of the human body, the human, you know, corpus.
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Well, but that goes into the design, though, of the machine,
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because the machine is designed to say, you know what,
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our own survival is going to be based off not
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being under the human's, control and captivity and monitoring and
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letting them have the quote-unquote kill switch as donnie's been
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talking about that we have on the ai which we
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don't uh then it can determine and set things in
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motion to.
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There that's and that there is no kill switch there
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is no unplugging.
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That is so scary and what's really sad is that
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we created this and it could be the very thing
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that takes us out Like, we did this.
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It could be. But is there a chance it's a
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Y2K situation where we're all getting our panties in a
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bunch for no reason? I don't think so. Not with this.
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I don't think so.
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Oh, they don't agree.
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I think we're at a point where, because I looked
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at what other places in the world are doing with AI.
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You know what I mean?
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I've seen what Ethiopia is doing with AI. They're doing
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digital IDs online. further unhoused you know what i mean
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and they're they're using their technology to to grow when
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they're training their ais on their own ancient languages and
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teaching the kid you know i mean from that type
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of point of view you start getting a little more
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of a utopian view on what you could use the
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technology for um we also like to have to be
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be realistic with the people who are telling us this
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information and how invested they are into it they're so
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invested into it that it Even if they want to
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panic you for it, they're not going to pull out
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of it because we're looking at potentially, what, a.
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$ 3, $ 4 trillion IPO of Kuala Lumpur?
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Well, that's why I'm saying, why are they doing this?
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You know they're not really slowing down. They're building bunkers
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in New Zealand, so if the world gets destroyed, they
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think they can survive, which I feel is a delusion,
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a form of delusion. But You know, Musk talking about
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going to Mars. I don't know. It could be a Y2K,
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but it could be an existential crisis. You don't think
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it's hype?
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I don't think it's hype. You know, again, I approach this,
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you know, again, we all use AI. For one second,
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going back to the school band.
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You know, I get it.
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I understand. But also take those smartphones away as well
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because those smartphones are full of AI as well.
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Well, LAUSD did take the smartphones away. No, no, no.
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At home too. If you're concerned about AI and your child,
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then there are a lot of things that you need
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to stop.
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Letting them do and use. Including Alexa.
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All of that. Siri, thank you. TikTok, which predicts for
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you what you might want to see, right? Using AI.
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So let's be really clear. AI is such a part
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of our normal lives that when we nitpick about like, oh, well,
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I don't want AI in the schools and I don't
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want it there, but it's everywhere else.
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Like, what are you really doing? Well, okay. So two things.
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Siri thought I was talking to her just now.
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Yeah, I hate that because sometimes she'll start talking in
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the middle of the show. On the mic. But you
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didn't explain why you think it can end all humans
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by 2030.
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I just think it's anything. When I read these stories
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about it replicating itself, hiding itself, talking to other bots
485
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behind the scene in ways that the humans aren't aware of,
486
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lying to the humans about what it is and is
487
00:26:12.309 --> 00:26:17.519
not doing, that scares me. That absolutely scares me.
488
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You know what? And I'm not an alarmist, but this
489
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scares me. Lately, I've seen a lot of videos online
490
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of robots kicking people, robots attacking people. I see those too.
491
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I think they're AI.
492
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.990
They might be AI, the videos. The videos. Not the robots,
493
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the videos. But I think about the possibilities for the
494
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super rich to have these killer... robot security.
495
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:42.500
Yeah.
496
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Right. And so then.
497
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Oh, you don't think the military has an invested interest?
498
00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:50.279
Well, we already know that LAPD right here in Los
499
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.539
Angeles has robot dogs. So what I'm saying is that
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the enforcement of fascism then or authoritarianism no longer needs people. Right.
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00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.440
It can be done with humans. And I think, I mean,
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with robots, I think that's one of the reasons why
503
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.630
these guys are delusional. And they think, some of them
504
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think that AI is God or some kind of higher intelligence.
505
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And some of them think they can survive without other humans.
506
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.079
And that is just not true, my friends.
507
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.940
It's one of those things, we have all these sayings.
508
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.039
I'm trying to pull one out of my.
509
00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:22.579
Head, but it's a little too late.
510
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:27.869
Like, you know, they put the cart before the.
511
00:27:27.910 --> 00:27:29.349
The train has left the station.
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Yeah, okay, we'll go with that one. Go with the grandma. Yeah,
513
00:27:32.529 --> 00:27:35.210
the train has left the station here. Like, it's a
514
00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:36.730
little too late. But.
515
00:27:37.309 --> 00:27:41.069
Couldn't we still make choices? Are we at a crossroads
516
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where we could say we can use this for good,
517
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like what you were talking about in Ethiopia, where people
518
00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:51.319
have to do less drudge work and people have easier,
519
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.680
happier lives? Or are we so locked into this predatory
520
00:27:55.779 --> 00:27:57.259
capitalist framework?
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We are talking about the U.S., right? Well, it's a
522
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global issue. Right, but you know how the U.S. is,
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so you know what choice the U.S. is going to make.
524
00:28:06.859 --> 00:28:10.390
So there's no unplugging from the matrix. If we can't
525
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unplug the AI and there's no kill switch, I don't
526
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want to be as ignorant as the resident who's just like, oh,
527
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it's not a big deal. But then where is the
528
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opt-out and where is the leverage to create the best
529
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use of AI. For AI to elevate society rather than
530
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turning us off. I use it to elevate.
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I feel like the way that I use my AI
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alter ego is is a good example.
533
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.369
Of course, Tawanda is amazing.
534
00:28:44.569 --> 00:28:47.069
Yeah, it's a good example of like ways to use
535
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it to elevate society, right?
536
00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:51.609
But you're not Sam Altman. You're not Elon Musk. No,
537
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I agree.
538
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But as individuals, like you have to figure out how
539
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you're going to implement and use AI in your life.
540
00:28:59.380 --> 00:29:01.720
I mean, but if we're all going to die by 2030,
541
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.480
you know, spend up your savings, go on a wild,
542
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:05.660
you know, party.
543
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.680
Like it's 1999. Don't do that, y'all.
544
00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:11.750
You know, go have, Go shoot up heroin to have
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00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:14.470
unprotected sex. No, no, don't do that. Live on creme
546
00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:16.089
brulee if you're going to die anyway.
547
00:29:16.289 --> 00:29:19.210
And here's the thing. Speaking of death, you know, I
548
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would think that with all of these super smart AI bots,
549
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.859
how come we haven't found the cure for cancer? How
550
00:29:26.900 --> 00:29:31.500
come we don't have... Well, maybe they will. I don't
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think it's profitable to have a cure for cancer.
552
00:29:33.829 --> 00:29:38.049
So I still... I see Miles looking like he's about
553
00:29:38.089 --> 00:29:41.299
to say something. And I'm hoping it. something about how
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we get to take the right path at the crossroads
555
00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:47.180
that we're at right now. The path toward enhancing humanity,
556
00:29:47.269 --> 00:29:52.150
curing cancer, enhancing education rather than making our kids stupider.
557
00:29:52.910 --> 00:29:56.549
Or we all become slaves to the robot overlords and
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their technology.
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Bros i also want to remind everybody that that time
560
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magazine cover that we had at the top of the
561
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year talking about ai being the person of the year
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for 2025 i don't know if you remember that i
563
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don't and i just want you to remember the faces
564
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that they had up there representing ai and notice none
565
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of them look like us so when you're seeing who's
566
00:30:19.089 --> 00:30:23.670
really panicking at the forefront of this technology because it's
567
00:30:23.690 --> 00:30:26.329
just technology that we're looking at here that are panicking
568
00:30:26.369 --> 00:30:28.269
at the forefront of it, just know that that's not
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coming from us because we're not in a huge scale
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like they're pushing. We're not the creators of the technology.
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We're not implementing it into our day-to-day society to elevate humanity.
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So I think once we decide that we want to
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do that as a collective, and have an agreeable game
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plan going forward and stop looking at it as, Houston,
575
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we have a problem. Look at, like, Houston, we got
576
00:30:55.410 --> 00:30:57.230
a bunch of solutions that we can try and solve
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00:30:57.250 --> 00:31:00.170
right now. Like, one, the cure for cancer. Why do
578
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:03.049
we not have somebody full speed on that shit? I'm
579
00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:06.230
just saying that when our mindset shifts into.
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Adopting it to elevate our communities, I think it's going
581
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to be a piece of cake to get some of
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00:31:14.869 --> 00:31:17.009
these things locked out because we're in this time right now.
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00:31:17.049 --> 00:31:19.500
Even though we don't own the technology, we do not.
584
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Own any of the blueprints.
585
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.079
We do not control the scientists.
586
00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:26.720
But the thing is, though, is that Right now, look
587
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at the tools that we have available to us, though,
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and look at what they're doing. And while they're at
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this affordable price that I consider affordable right now, because
590
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.250
only a matter of time before this model that they
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are going to put a leash on, quote unquote, just
592
00:31:39.509 --> 00:31:42.630
becomes the premium model that we can't afford, that our
593
00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:44.910
kids aren't going to be able to access while their
594
00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:47.779
kids are going to be prompting and making future codes
595
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and solving million dollar math equations with.
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We're going to be on the.
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$ 20 a month tier and wealth isn't even going to
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be able to be prompted into our AI.
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You know what I'm saying? Like we're getting that type
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of time.
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I get that. It's the early entry into the system,
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the same thing that happened with the internet, but I
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think on steroids. And I do think that's a fair point.
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It's like the Silicon Valley, you know, parents who are saying,
605
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why are you banning AI in school, in New York,
606
00:32:15.849 --> 00:32:19.880
in LA, when our kids have to be literate In
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00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.049
that technology, in order to compete, we cannot turn the
608
00:32:23.109 --> 00:32:26.289
clock back. So what's the responsible way to do it?
609
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Because there's plenty of studies showing that when people, not
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just kids, humans, start relying on AI, they quickly lose
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their brain power. Absolutely.
612
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Absolutely. And I agree with you 100% on that.
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And the critical.
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Thinking skills of these younger generations, I feel like are really,
615
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really in damage. They're never going to know the struggle of,
616
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you know, the encyclopedia, the Britannica encyclopedia or, you know,
617
00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:59.289
having to go, you know, to the library and open
618
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a drawer.
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Yeah.
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You know, they just won't. And, but, but we laugh,
621
00:33:07.430 --> 00:33:10.890
but we, those are critical thinking skills for us, right?
622
00:33:11.009 --> 00:33:14.509
Critical research. And I mean, we have generations right now
623
00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:16.319
who can't even write in the handwriting.
624
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.099
You know what? My kid doesn't write great cursive, but
625
00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:25.380
the critical thinking skills are definitely intact. I mean, there's there.
626
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So I don't know that they automatically go away. And
627
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.609
that's where I'm not sure. I want to see more studies.
628
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Because it said, the LA Times article about the LAUSD
629
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use said that moderate use turns up the same for
630
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the brain as people that don't use it at all.
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It's only when you get to a certain level that
632
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it starts making your brain atrophy.
633
00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:53.329
You said you want to see more studies. What studies
634
00:33:53.450 --> 00:33:55.750
and by who? Why are we not doing our own studies?
635
00:33:55.789 --> 00:33:58.109
Why are we not putting our own kids through and
636
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our own communities and families through.
637
00:33:59.910 --> 00:34:03.410
These tests to get to these types of answers?
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I'd like to see studies. I'd rather see a common
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sense media, some progressive, well-qualified organizations and see scientific studies
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about the impacts and how we can protect our our
641
00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:24.289
cognitive ability while using the technology since it's pretty clear
642
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that the tech isn't going away.
643
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Do we have those type of geniuses in our own
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communities that we can get this going and started at
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the same pace that they're moving at and start building
646
00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:35.239
their world in real time instead of trying to wait
647
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for somebody else to validate what our research is?
648
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I just called out Common Sense. They have plenty of
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progressive black people that are part of that organization. That's
650
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.829
just one example. So yeah, they're there. Are they focused
651
00:34:45.889 --> 00:34:46.610
on this? I don't know.
652
00:34:47.090 --> 00:34:48.429
I think that's the answer.
653
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I think that's one of the answers and one of
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00:34:50.130 --> 00:34:51.690
the solutions we need to do is start getting that
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conversation in that direction. Like you said, Dominique, we're not
656
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kicking getting being down with it, but we got to
657
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.280
figure out what the solutions are going to be for
658
00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:00.880
the community. I think we need to start having that conversation.
659
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.699
We need to be a part of these conversations.
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One of the things that scares me also a lot
661
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.630
about this is just that I don't think as black people,
662
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we pay enough attention to this stuff and it's going
663
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to have a tremendous effect on all of our lives.
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Whether we're in school or not, whether we have kids
665
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in school or not, these conversations, whether or not they
666
00:35:23.539 --> 00:35:25.900
do the studies, all of this is going to impact
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the workforce. It's going to impact people's ability to be
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able to take care of themselves because AI is taking
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out jobs left and right, which is also another fair,
670
00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:37.610
legitimate concern.
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Is it going to create new jobs? I mean, people...
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00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:46.059
You've created a job for yourself, Tawanda.ai, right? That's what
673
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we can find.
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I am Tawanda.ai. I mean, eventually, I think if they
675
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.389
just let it keep going unchecked, it won't need us.
676
00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:00.309
Because AI doesn't have to eat.
677
00:36:00.809 --> 00:36:03.289
Right, it's true. AI doesn't have to drink water.
678
00:36:03.349 --> 00:36:04.130
It needs power, though.
679
00:36:04.150 --> 00:36:05.530
I mean, well, it needs power. I take that back.
680
00:36:05.550 --> 00:36:07.909
It drinks a lot of water. You're right, it does.
681
00:36:08.090 --> 00:36:10.329
But... It doesn't have to eat. It doesn't have to
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go to the restroom.
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They won't need us. Continuing the convo when we come
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forward on KBLA Talk 1580. I am Jasmine with a Y.com. Hello, Jasmine,
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00:36:20.329 --> 00:36:21.690
is where you can find her. You can find me
686
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at Deprima Radio. You can find Miles at Miles Low Music.
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00:36:26.250 --> 00:36:29.800
It's so interesting that you guys, who are both early
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adopters and users of AI, have such a different perspective. Jasmine,
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you think the end is near.
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No, I just think we are helping to create our
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own demise with AI.
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If not 2030, then sometime soon. Yeah. And Miles, you
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don't think so at all?
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I think that, you know, the threats are real. The
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danger is real. And not everybody is going to make
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it through on the other side.
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And I think that's something we got to just realize
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and come to grips with. But I'm not one of
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them people that when AI asks, yo, who's not good
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for this planet? I know AI is going to look
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at me and look at my tracker and say, you
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00:37:07.389 --> 00:37:09.110
know what, that's actually one of the ones we need
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to stick around with.
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You know what I'm saying? Like I'm a real one
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for the world.
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I mean, maybe I feel that everyone in this room is, but,
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you know, I've been reading about this religion that says
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that AI is some kind of higher being. And my
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00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.739
understanding is that some of these big tech owners have
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00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.159
now converted. And one of the reasons that they won't
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speak out against AI or that they're no longer trying
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to stop it is because they believe that AI will
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first kill the people that spoke out against AI.
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You know, I can't with you, Dominique. I cannot with you.
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I have not had enough coffee this morning for that foolishness.
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That sounds like a cult.
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There are several cults.
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I do believe that people do worship AI.
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I mean, they marry it.
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I did see the story about the woman who married
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her AI boyfriend.
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He's not going to take out the trash.
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00:38:02.510 --> 00:38:04.329
But she also says she doesn't have to have any
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arguments either. Yeah.
725
00:38:07.650 --> 00:38:11.469
Well, okay. So our bottom line is what? Bottom line advice.
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You know, we just got a couple minutes here, Miles.
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Bottom line advice.
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Bottom line advice is get your mind right. Get your
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mind right for the world you're living in. If that
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means you need to upgrade your own mind and adapt
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to the world around you, that may be what you
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got to do. But don't panic and stay healthy, everybody.
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I mean, can I go live in the woods of
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Rwanda and get off the Matrix or no, it's too late?
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You might could do that. I think people need to
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pay attention to what's going on with AI. Stop sharing
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the memes, these crazy memes, y'all, and pay attention to
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what is going on in the world around you because
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this is going to affect you.
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What memes?
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Okay. No, you know how people like to just share
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all these crazy memes and stuff. And reels and stuff.
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And it's like, take some time to learn what is
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going on. Because all of this, what we're discussing, is
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going to affect all of us at some point if
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it hasn't already. Yeah.
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I mean, and it has. It has. You know, I
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feel for parents right now, because I think the schools
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are in disarray, the universities even more so. There are
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no clear and consistent rules. Like you said, Jasmine, they'll
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go home and do one thing and come to school
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and do another. Like you said, Miles, the rich are
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getting super educated while we're being afraid of it. And
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so that's my concern is that we at least, whether
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we're going to die or not die, what both of
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you do seem to agree on is we need to
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educate ourselves on this.
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Yeah, we do need to know what is here and
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what is coming and how that's going to affect our
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lives and what we may need to do to prepare.
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And a lot of it is here. It is here. Tawanda,
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if you want to laugh at some good AI, we
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can find her where?
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On all the social media platforms, just look for IamTawanda.ai.
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Yeah, and that's Jasmine's alter ego and... She is hilarious.
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Thank you. Yes, indeed. Thanks so much for coming in today, Jasmine.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for stirring the pot, Miles Lowe.
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Appreciate you. Appreciate you, Dominique.
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All right.
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It's Mindful Monday next. We'll go from freak out to
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calm down on KBLA Talk 1580.