Is It a Spend Dat Summer? w/Jarrett Hill + Miles Low

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Is that summer, and we're going to talk about it.
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This song, this song has set off a whole controversy,
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and we'll we'll get a little bit into that. That's
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because there's a lot of issues that come up. It's
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not just a song. I'm being joined this morning by
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an award winning journalist. He is an author author of Uh,
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what is it called? I'm Blinking Historically Black Phrases, Yeah, Yes, Indeed,
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which is not just a book, but also a game.
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A game show that we travel with, and also a
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card game that will be coming out.
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I can't wait to see to play the card game.
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Jared Hill is here. He's a past president of the
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Association of Black Journalists here in Los Angeles and got
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a lot to say about a lot of things. I'm
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glad you could be here with me. This morning. We
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played the Young Miami song. The reason that this whole
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conversation started was because Indi Ire kind of put that
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song on blast, and indi Ire, you know, it's outspoken.
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She could be a really be a talk radio host,
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so she wanted to she's outspoken. She was kinda I
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think this is how I interpreted. I don't know how
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you interpreted it. I feel like she was saying we
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have to be careful what we put into our brains,
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that we should play things that uplift us. And she
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was saying that Young Miami songs spend at, which you
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just heard, is a reflection of where we are as
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a society, hyper consumerist, you know, and kind of on
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the hamster wheel.
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Yeah, I number one, thank you for having me. I
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appreciate being back. I was seeing the discourse around it
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and like, like what did NDIASA Like why is this?
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Why is this part of the conversation. Then I went
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back and saw what she said, and I was like,
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this is not not that serious. So right, like it
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felt like blowing up something that wasn't as as big
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of a deal. She said, I spent my entire life
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caring way too much because I finally learned that not
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everybody cares with a capital C, and explaining it to
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them is not going to make them care. Everything you
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listen to see or eat is going to influence you.
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So make whyse choices, y'all. And like she was responding
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to someone that had said I'm calling for a boycott
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of Young Miami's song spend that, And so it was
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interesting because people were like India Ari is calling for
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a boycott, or she was upset and all these other things,
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and so it was interesting to kind of see how
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people took her her comment, right, because she's saying like
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that these things all kind of have an influence on us,
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and like that's true, right, The things that we listened to,
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the things that we watch, the things that we eat,
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the people that we hang around, all of those things
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have influence on it. I think people hurt it as
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like judgmental, which I mean it might have been a
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little judgmental, right, like what are we saying, what are
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we agreeing to? What are we saying?
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Up for judgmental discerning this fine line?
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Yeah yeah, but also like it is reflective of where
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we are in the culture, right, And I mean that
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doesn't mean that everybody is talking about spending that right
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or go scamming, but like there are plenty of people
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who are out here struggling right now, right, Like, and
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I think when we often talk about like crime and
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like crime reduction and those kinds of things, we talk
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about like the ways that we can improve our community
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so that crime is not necessary, right, so that people
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don't need to steal. So people aren't hurting so that,
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mind you, there are plenty of people who are who
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will still regardless. Right. But like we are in a
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time right now where like there are a lot of
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people who are having to make some really difficult decisions
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about how they're making money or what they're doing to survive.
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Yes, And also to your point, India I Ree has
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been very intentional about what she puts in our mind.
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She's the author of worthy strength, courage and wisdom. You know,
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I am not my hair video. She can be discerning
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or even judgmental because she practices what she preaches.
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Well, there's that too.
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You know, when when I find myself going off the
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deep end a lot of times, what I will do
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is listen to India because I know that reliably she's
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going to offer something better for my mental health.
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Yeah, and I something that I always appreciate about India
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Ari's music is that like listening back to it years later,
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it will always still speak something to you, right, It
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will always show up in a way that is useful,
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that is generative, is encouraging, and that kind of thing.
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And I think that when we see folks like India
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Ari getting attacked in these moments, it's like what are
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we doing? Like what are we upset about? Like what
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are we angry about? We'll talk about Kevin on stage
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a little bit later, like what are we what are
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we upset about? Like what are the what is the
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anger about? Like what is the out the outrage, the
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backlash about. And I'm kind of fascinated by that all
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the time.
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Well, the other thing is that, I mean, what we're
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really talking about if you lump those two together with
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Kevin stage in this young Miami situation, is the way
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that the online clips or posts impact the conversation in
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a very direct way, right where whether we're getting the
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real story, they're not real story, the genies out of
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the bottle, and the people are already camping up and
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taking sides. I was surprised to see doctor Malina Abdullah,
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the leader of Black Lives Matter Grassroots, write a whole
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column in this LA Sentinel about spend that Oh, and
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she says that it exposes class, the class war behind
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retail theft, kind of to your point that it's not
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just about you know, being flossy. Some people are boosting
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because they need to or want to. She says. The
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song reframes boosting and scamming as underclass resistance in a
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society that criminalized is poverty and subsidizes corporate power. Say
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that again, please, This is technically an Abdualist saying spend
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that reframes boosting and scamming is underclass resistance in a
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society that criminalizes poverty and subsidizes corporate power. Now, if
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you really listen to the lyrics, she may have a
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point because she's not saying, go get some dude to
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buy you something like she did. She got Diddy to
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buy her a stuff can do. She's not saying that.
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She's saying she's kind of glorifying boosters.
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Oh, this corporate power piece is interesting coming off of
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your last hour, right, talking about data centers and the
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ways in which corporations are are stealing a lot from
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the people. And Like, as I was listening to last hour,
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I was thinking about this data center conversation that we're
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having feels very adjacent or similar to the conversations we
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often have about stadiums and being built in communities. True, right,
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the way that stadiums go into communities, they take up
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a whole bunch of land, They promise a whole bunch
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of jobs. They get massive tax breaks that end up
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costing the local community. Right, and then like they said,
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empty most of the most days of the week, Right,
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they're not employing people in most days of the week.
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They're taking resources and all those kinds of things, and
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data centers seem like they are taking that and being
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like exponentially worse.
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Right with water, they don't at least stadiums have football games.
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At least stadiums have something entertaining for you, you know what
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I mean. You can go to a concert or whatever.
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But like, when we think about how we are responding
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in this moment to doctor Abdella's point, like, I think
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we are going to see people talking about things in
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a different kind of way. We're going to see people
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rising up in a different kind of in a different
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kind of voice. We talked before about you know that
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the idea that revolution requires breaking the law right and
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maybe doing some things that. But I don't know that
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Carisa is calling for I don't know that Young Miami
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is calling for revolution in this but I think she
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is saying spend that. You know.
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Well, the other thing is, did you see I love
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boosters boots Riley's movie. Yeah, he's kind of glorifying the
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whole shoplifting culture, but also doing it in a very
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intentionally anti capitalist way. It's clearly it's a critique of capitalism.
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It's not just hey people, let's go smash and grab.
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I thought it was brilliant.
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Actually, I thought it was really great. I mean, any
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opportunity to watch Kiki Palmer, I'll take it. But if
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you haven't seen, I love Boosters. It is a conversation
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around that, right. It is kind of challenging the ways
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in which we kind of think about these things and
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also kind of humanizing the people right that are making
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the choices that are having to do these things. And
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I think that when we are in a culture that
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where our President of the United States is the biggest
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scammer that there is, right, like the biggest caammer there's
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ever been, I would say, like Donald Trump, if scammers
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go number one, like you've done.
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It right, Yeah, scam excellence.
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Exactly right, Scamming excellence is definitely Donald Trump. But I
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think like it's going to start some more interesting conversations.
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And I think Karesha and Indri are one of those
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where we see like the tension of where are how
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how do we hold on to the morals the what
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is the line? Does the line move for some people
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in these instances or does the whole the line hold?
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I think that's where we're really discussing.
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Well, to me, that's part of the brilliance of what
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Boots Riley did in his piece, because one of the
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things he does is look at wage theft is subtly right.
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Those women working in that spot, they can't even get
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a lunch break. But we would call the women taking
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the closed boosters. But we wouldn't call the corporation boosters
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even though they're boosting the labor off these people and
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their quality of life.
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Well, I mean, if I was stealing power from my neighbor,
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you would be looking at me sideways like what is
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wrong with you? But when a corporation comes in and
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steals it from a whole city, it's like, oh, well, that's.
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Business, right, that was a deal they made exactly.
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Yeah, it's a it's a frustrating dina that we witness
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over and over and over and over again, right time
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and time again, in this city, in this country, in
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this world, where we allow rich people, corporations, white people
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just period. Right to be able to have a different
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set of rules, to get away with a different set
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of things. It's it's really frustrating to continually watch that
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happen again and again.
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I mean even the character brilliantly played by de me
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Moore and I love boosters of the Designer. They show
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you how I mean they they implies. He talks about
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how the rich and wealthy class rips off boosts from
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the culture, from the poor, from the creatives, and many
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times for black people. And so who's boosting who?
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And still kind of benefits from the boosting, right, because
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they because of the way that it starts trends or
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the ways that people are wearing the clothes, or the
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ways in which it's getting seen and things like that.
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Right the way, and also the insurance they.
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Have, well, there's also the insurance, right, And so wich
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is a whole other scam, right, And so.
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Yeah, Jared Hill is here. You're welcome in eight hundred
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and nine to fifteen eighty war unapologetically out spoken okay,
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b La talk fifteen eighty So which is it? Is
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it Indie I re or is it is it young
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Miami doctor Molin Abdullah clearly takes a young Miami's side here,
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and I feel like a democratic politician say, well, the
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news go to point, both Miami's go to point.
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I mean, I yeah, it's not great media to be
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in the middle, but like, I mean, they both make points, right,
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points were made on both sides.
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Yes, yes, points were made on both sides. Yeah, we
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do have to watch what we fill our minds with.
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And even if you're going to sing along to spend
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that or have a spend that summer, the.
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Challenging keep referring to a spend that summer, Like I'm
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intrigued by the idea of you having a spend that summer. Dominique.
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I remember a few shows ago we were talking about
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reparations and you said, you're a at the check girly,
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and I've always remembered that.
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Indeed, I am cut the check.
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Yeah, you are at the check girly.
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Well, yeah, I don't need encouragement to spend anything, but
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I mean, and and nor will I be boosting because
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you know, that's not the season of my life that
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I am me.
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It's not that summer in that way got it for me.
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But you know, shoot, I don't know if it was
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a hot girl summer when everybody was having a hot
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girl summer either.
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You know, you having your own girl summer?
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How you in a season in a lifetime, Jared, There you.
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Go, There you go.
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I mean I do. I'll claim it in the sense
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that I think the real smash and grab is happening
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in the White House. I don't think the real smash
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and grab is happening at the mall.
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Yeah it's not. There's not enough grabbing happening at the
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mall for it to be as significant a problem as
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what's happening in the White House, what's happening in the
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c suites, what's happening in the top one percent. I
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definitely agree with you there. I think that we are
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we are, We are in a moment where this country
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is making a major shift, right We're seeing some major
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changes happening in this country. And I'm really curious if
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conversations like spend that I don't know that the song
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is going to bring about revolution, but like I think that,
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but it could. Stranger things have certainly happened, But I
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think it is making us have these kinds of conversations
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right about, like where are we right now? What exactly
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are we doing, how, how is this happening? What are
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we supposed to do? And like we we talked about
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my podcast last last time I was here, the Jared
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Hill Show, which you can find at Jared Hill dot
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Yes, that's absolutely right, exactly. But this season we've been
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talking about many of these things, right, like where are
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we in this moment? And what do we do? Because
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I think that oftentimes we are outraged by a thing
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that we see happening. We're frustrated by the data centers,
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We're frustrated by the scheming, we're frustrated by the Supreme
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Court or whatever. The things are right, but I don't
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think we know what to do about it. And I
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think that the people who are in control, who are
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in power and with the levers of government, they know
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that right. They know that they are changing the rules
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so that it's harder to go out and protests, that
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it's harder to get out and be on the front lines,
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that it's harder to push back. They know what they're doing, right,
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remember that it's not just somebody being stupid or weird
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or crazy or whatever, like they are executing a plan, right,
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they are doing something.
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Yeah, fahimas in the chat saying a mom and daughter
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from Seattle were arrested for a string of high end
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retail thefts, and they gave police a clue when they
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posted a TikTok video with that song. Okay, that may be,
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but I do want to note that the so called
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spin that challenge is just a dance. The challenge is
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not go out and boost. And Miles is in the
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chat saying he strongly disagrees with doctor Abdullah. Miles, do
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you want to say anything about that? I mean, you're
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the rapper in the room.
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Sure, I'll say.
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Part of it is the fact that everybody's tirely the opinion,
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for sure. But part of it is also that that's
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Moline Abdoulah who's saying that, who works for Black Lives Matter,
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and we're watching, uh, we're watching kids get shot down
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for stealing out of stores.
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I heard that argument, and that's bs that child didn't steal.
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You're talking about Cyrus Carmack belting kids get shot down
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for stealing when they're not steal.
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But that's what I'm saying. But that's not my point.
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Isn't the fact of how what I just say.
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My point is that, uh, we have a brand as
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black people that we should be rebuilding.
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play right into it. You know what I'm saying. I
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think when somebody actually.
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Takes the song serious and runs with it, we're gonna
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be front line like, oh, it was just a song,
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it was just a dance, when we could have a
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whole different point of view on the song.
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Now, So, Miles, I'm a I'm a fight with you
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on this one because I feel like this idea that
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we have a brand to rebuild is really difficult for me.
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The idea that like that black folks have trashed our
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brand and need to rebuild it or rewrite the story,
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like we didn't write that story to be in with people.
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Like Clive Davis have who passed away, and we need
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to work on trying to rebrand ourselves. That's saying rebrand
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control ourselves.
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Are we rebranding from slavery? Are we rebranding from the
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way we're stereotyped by Hollywood? Are we rebranding from uh,
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from not getting reparations? Are we rebranded from rebranding from
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from economic oppression? Like who sets the standard of what
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our brand is?
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Well, I think what I hear Miles saying, and please
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correct me if I'm wrong, is like we need a
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different narrative about who we are in this country? Would
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that be accurate?
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That's part, That's part of it.
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But I mean, I'm just saying the parts of us
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that we know we aren't feeding us, aren't feeling us,
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dysfunction and stealing and being mediocre and not saving and
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financial literacy and popping bottles all day.
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I need a ten figure dude?
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And more importantly, though there's I get it, there's there's
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always been this type of music, right and I'm.
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Not but the lyrics to this song are literally glorifying
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people that go that do scams. She's not saying I
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need a ten.
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Figure a figure.
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A scammer, though she's not saying that she needs, you know.
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A didy, I need a diddy.
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I mean she has definitely been a she has a
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scammer too, if you want.
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about this.
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I mean, there I think Mace would probably call him
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a scammer. I think the people who is money he
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has in his who's who didn't get the money that
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they were would probably argue that, yes.
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True mainstream capitalist scammer. I mean, if right, if you're
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talking about the contracts, I thought you were talking about
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why he's in jail.
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Oh, I mean, I'm sure there's some And miss.
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Jackson says young Miami might not be relevant five years
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from now, so why are we giving her oxygen? But
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it's not about her, It's about a mindset. And I
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think what you're so, what I'm hearing Miles say is
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a hyper capitalist spend spend spend. You want us to save,
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you want us to be wise. But I think what
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doctor Molina is is rejecting as the respectability politics that say,
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you know, we have to if we play by the
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rules of capitalism, then we'll be rewarded by being treated better.
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The thing that's coming up for me right now with
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like the idea of like us needing a rebrand, is
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being challenged in the ways that we are presented in
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the world. Right I think about the Obamas right now,
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they've obviously been on big tour right now, opening up
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the presidential Center and a big part of their conversation
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that we always hear them talk about was needing to
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be perfect when they were in office, that they needed
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to always do everything exactly right, that they didn't have
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any room for error exactly while they were in office.
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often is interesting to me because like I know what
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they mean, right, and it is like it is respectability
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to some degree at its greatest level, but also it
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is like having to perform right. It is having to
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show up and behave in a certain kind of way
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because you know, we know that we've heard throughout our
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entire lives. If they don't do it right, then anybody
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else is going to be able to ever do it
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again right because they represent black people and they they
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are representing for an entire race of people. And in
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a similar kind of way, I think when we talk
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about how we need to rebrand ourselves or we have
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to be more respectable, I find us really kind of
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getting into a cycle or loop of something that is
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not fixable. It's not doable right, Like we don't control
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the narrative, we don't own the media, we don't have
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all of the levers of power to be able to
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do those kinds of things. We can just live differently.
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We can live in the ways that we want to.
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We can show up in the ways that we want to.
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And I hear I hear Miles saying like there are
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various different examples of us that do not seem like
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they are ideal examples of us. Right, But I also
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don't think that I don't think that we have to
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be perfect or ideal or respectable all day every day.
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Okay, Miles, you can clap back when we come back
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after you shop against sports. On Kabla Talk fifteen to
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eighty love it all Right, we said we were going
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to talk about this comedians Christian comedian causing havoc in
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the indie Iri Young Miami, which is really about to
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spin that mentality. And I want you and Miles to
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finish up your conversation. But you just scared me. I
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didn't think about the fact that Trump might say today
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that he's canceling the election. Oh I just kind of thought,
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you know, he would be doing his demented ramblings.
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Well, so, I mean we you had pointed out a
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political headline that quotes scared sless Republicans race for Trump's
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primetime speech, and it's regarding the election. Allegedly, it says
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rehashing grievance its about the twenty twenty election could motivate
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the Republican base and press up lawmakers to pass the
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Save America Act. I'm like, I expect him to say,
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ain't gonna be no election, right, And I mean, I
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don't think he's gonna say it quite like that and be.
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A busy day if he says that. But look, I
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wanted to let you guys finish your conversation. Miles is
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disagreeing with doctor Abdullah, and he makes a fair point,
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which is that we should be spending that ish saving
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we should be saving that, investing that and detoxing ourselves.
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But at the same time, I feel like you were
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kind of saying that the respectability politics is a road
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to nowhere, and we were gonna let Miles have his
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clap back, and then you know, I'll just I'm gonna
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go out to breakfast and let y'all go, let the
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brothers have a conversation.
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I got you.
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It's all good.
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I just feel like another thing, too, is like we
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don't where's we just had a big debate last year
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Dominique hit hip Hop hit fifty years and then if
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hip Hop fell all the way off the charts, and
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now hip hop's back at number one with the scamming
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boost and anthem, And I'm asking myself.
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Where's the variety at?
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You know what I mean?
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There used to be a time when it was a
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variety of songs, and now this is the only song
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that now you sound.
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Like my friend paris the black panther of hip hop.
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Which is a good point because we know why that happens.
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The record companies control who gets on exactly, and the
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big media companies, which is why the consolidation is so problematic.
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Jared, did you want to say something, Well, I'm looking
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me in the comments, and we have WHTV Live says
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we have never controlled our brand. Some may say for me,
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I believe as a black man, it's important to show
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the educated, financially literate, responsible business minded man. I Myles is.
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Like, yeah, which is respectability policy?
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Which is respectability right? And so Miles, I hear your
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point and I understand where you're coming from. I think
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for me, we have learned time and time again that
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respectability is not going to save us, or do anything
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to help us, right, And I think about that in
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the myriad different ways that we've seen it shown up with,
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whether it's about police killings of folks, whether it is
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about the ways that the system is designed, whether it
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is the ways that we show up in the world
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and still have to do twice as much again half
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as all those things. It doesn't seem like respectability has
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ever proven to be largely useful.
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Okay, Paul's in the chat and he says it's purposely
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being done. Why we must push away from toxicity when
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it doesn't represent us correctly is because the mainstream media
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does this intentionally. And yes, but also then when we say,
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when we say the guy with the suit, the investor
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or whatever, that we need to represent that, then we're
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also agreeing to their terms of what's respectability, what's positivity,
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what roles we want to play in society? I need freedom,
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you know, did Malcolm X was not respectable? Yes he
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did have a suit, but he didn't fit into the
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box of respectability according to mainstream media when he was here.
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Neither to Audrey Lord. Neither did James Baldwin, you know,
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neither did.
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Chuck d all Right, And I feel like I wouldn't
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even I don't know person look at it as a
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respectability thing as opposed to a use case, like is
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it useful?
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Do we need this as our number one song representing
487
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if this is if this is quote unquote our culture,
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and this represents us and how we feel and us
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being free, we have other things in other ways we
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can express that. Then having us agree that our number
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one song needs to be spending that shit, I just
492
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think that's not the the.
493
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Well, I don't know if we all agree on that,
494
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but it's certainly charting right now.
495
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I think that we are are gonna we're looking at
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like charting and like what's really popular number one. I'm
497
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always kind of like skeptical of the charts. But but two, like,
498
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I don't think we always have to present ourselves as perfection, right,
499
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I don't think we always have to be the most talented,
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the most gifted, the number one the top of this, Like, I.
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Mean that is a trauma response.
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Yeah, well, absolutely right. And I mean I think the
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way that we talk about black excellence, there is something
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important and useful to saying, like to highlighting the myriad
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different ways that we are excellent and useful and valuable
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in all those things. And we shouldn't have to be
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excellent and perfect and all of those things to be valuable,
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to be valid, to be respected, to be treated as
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human beings. And so that's the challenge intension that I
510
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have with the black excellence conversations and the respectability conversations,
511
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because I don't know that they're actually gaining us what
512
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we think they are. They make us feel better sometimes,
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they look cute in church. They are great when we
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have scholarships, and it's great when we can admire someone
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who did something great, But I don't know that it's
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actually like saving us.
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Go ahead, last words I have? Do we have?
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Is there a limit that we put on what we
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accept and what we decide to consume and put into
520
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our art?
521
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Now, artist art, You can't limit art. But I'm saying, well,
522
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we choose to.
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Does Kelly get a pardon? I'm just saying he's asking
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for one?
525
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Uh wait, Like we don't because we don't. We don't
526
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need more lean music, We don't need more drill rap.
527
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But who we don't need that? Who gets to decide
528
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what we need? I mean, who gets to decide what
529
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we need? Like? Who gets to choose that.
530
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Uh, I mean you tell them. I mean, actually, actually
531
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some people need their lean. You know what I'm saying,
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some people need their drug.
533
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Well, supposedly the consumer decides, but the reality is, in
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many cases, the corporation's decide to build is only exposed
535
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to what the corporations exposed them to for the most part. Well,
536
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one of the goals is freedom right, I mean, freedom
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of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of expression. Switches back to,
538
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you know, back to the pushback against respectability. On the
539
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one hand, I understand what you're saying, Mileser, the agenda
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that's being pushed on this is not necessarily what serves
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our interest or builds our community. But on the other hand,
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you know, fame My dad was arrested for obscenity for
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something he wrote in a poem, and when he went
544
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to court a Mary Baraka for those who aren't familiar,
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he kept asking the lawyer that was grilling the prosecution lawyers,
546
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so what you're saying is you don't like my poem.
547
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So what you're saying is you don't like my poem.
548
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And what they were objecting to was the language saying
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that he was pushing obscenity Now, my dad is not
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a pornographer. He's a revolutionary. So the question is back
551
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to who gets to decide, who gets to decide how
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we express ourselves? And what is number one and what we.
553
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Need for me?
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Are the rapper in the room, This number one song
555
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that the babies are eating up right now, This number
556
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one song that the aunties are eating up right now,
557
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this number one song on TikTok Ye. I mean it's
558
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it's not against the song per se, because I like
559
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to music myself.
560
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I get it.
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I understand it is a time and a place for
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it to get a place for Ratchet. For me, it
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just it can't be everything. It can't be everything.
564
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You can't. No, I agree, it can't be everything. We
565
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need variety. But that's where freedom of expression comes in.
566
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Jared Well, I agree that it can't be everything. I
567
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think that we have to appreciate that, like we are
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a we contain multitudes, right as black folks, but also
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as hip hop, as rap music, as the various different
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ways that we show up as artists, that we contain multitudes.
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That we can show up and spend that kind of way,
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and we can show that show up in a in
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an India r video kind of way. We can show
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up in a Barack Obama kind of way, we can
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show up in a Malina Abdullah kind of way, we
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can show up in a Dominique di prima kind of way,
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we can show up in a Jerry Hill kind of way.
578
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And like, I think that we black folks often get
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really anxious when we see images of ourselves or stories
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being told that are not like the great versions of
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us right, because we have so many messages about how
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un or the unvaluable, untalented and beautiful and capable that
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we are right, and I think that we get tense
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about this. I worked at CNN years ago when I
585
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was in college, and I worked on Black in America too,
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And what was interesting to me about the First Black
587
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in America was the feedback that we got from so
588
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many black folks was like, well, this is not my
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black this is not my Black America, this is not
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how Black America looks for me, which I understood on
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some point. I understood that people were saying, like, the
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things that you're depicting in this don't represent my black experience.
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But I also recognize that part of that is the
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fact that we have so few images of ourselves, especially
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at that time when Black in America too was coming out.
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We are because we have so few images of ourselves.
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We find ourselves, like any images of us, need to
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be perfect, they need to be great, they need to
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be relatable.
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Me my version of that is every time they murder
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a kid or jail a kid unjustly, like Carmelo Anthony,
602
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the narrative is always, well, that child wasn't perfect, so
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they deserve to die, or they deserve to go to jail. Oh,
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Mike Brown once stole cigars. Oh, you know, whatever it is.
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And I pushed back against that because I don't think
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we have to be perfect to not be murdered by police.
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I don't think we should have to be perfect to
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not be traumatized by police. I don't think we should
609
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have to be perfect to even get respect in America.
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But I also do understand, and we were having this
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conversation yesterday right with the Positive Vibes lady, about what
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we feed ourselves, what we feed our heads, what we
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feed our children in ourselves in terms of the culture
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and the impact that it has, which is I think
615
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where we started. Okay, we said we were going to
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talk about this comedian, this Christian comedian. So maybe we'll
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do that. We want to do it real quick when
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we come forward. Yeah, we'll do that when we come forward.
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KBLA talk fifteen to eighty, but.
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Straight to a church, No, sir.
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Also, I don't think masturbation isn't sad no more. I
622
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beat that meat beat that.
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I don't think anybody was wondering how.
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You found Oh lord, okay, Jared Hill, what are we
625
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listening to you right here?
626
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Well? keV on stage, you know, as a Christian comic.
627
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He has been trending for the last day after an
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old clip. Part of what's interesting about it is like
629
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he didn't say this recently. It was like an old
630
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clip that came back and he's talking about he's a
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Christian comic. He often is talking about various different kinds
632
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of things. He has a TV show called Churchy, right,
633
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.839
and various other things. He's on tour as a comic.
634
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.759
But this clip came back where he's talking about masturbation,
635
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and I mean, you hear the way he's talking about it, right,
636
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He's not even using the language that I'm using about it.
637
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.000
But like, I find it interesting that there's been like
638
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backlash about this, people being really upset about it, people
639
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being frustrated that he would say this and be Christian,
640
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and like, oh, you can't be a Christian if you're
641
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if you're masturbating. It was like, I don't, I don't
642
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know how we got there. Like the ideas around Christianity
643
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.680
and the ways in which we engage pleasure and sexuality
644
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.359
have always been really problematic to me as a queer person,
645
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as a person who just came from Divinity School and
646
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like it doesn't identify as Christian anymore. After that, It's
647
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been an interesting dynamic to watch these conversations.
648
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.240
So they're mad at him for being Christian and talking
649
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about masturbation, or they're mad at him for being Christian
650
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and being rambunctious about it, or they're mad at him,
651
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.160
Like why are they mad at him? I think I
652
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would imagine as a Christian artist, it's a bit of
653
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a it's a line to walk.
654
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.480
Right, absolutely, And I mean the answer to your questions
655
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is yes, right, are they mad at him about this? Yeah?
656
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Are they mad at him about that? Yeah? They're just
657
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mad about it, right. And I find like a lot
658
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of folks, especially like that are deeply connected to the
659
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purity culture. Elements of Christianity get really offended if anybody
660
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is not doing exactly what you believe they should be,
661
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.279
So it's back to us being perfect exactly. Yeah, I
662
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.880
mean again, it kind of does touch the respectability conversation, right,
663
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and the idea that a married man who is in
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a hotel on tour, he's talking about being on tour
665
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and traveling and being in a hotel by himself, is like,
666
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I don't understand what the argument is right with Christianity.
667
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I don't understand what the frustration is, what the pushback is,
668
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or the ways in which people would be like, how
669
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could you do this? How could you say this? Why
670
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would you show up that way? It's very interesting to watch,
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especially as spending forty years as a Christian and seeing
672
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these conversations happen around sex.
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Well, Morris, isn't the chat saying in America we have
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forty thousand Christian sects. So I don't know if that's
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true or not. I've never researched it. Perhaps you have.
676
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He says which one is acceptable? And I think the
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whole point is it's what's acceptable to you? Miles? Is
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he problematic for you should he be more respectable in
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his presentation of the black man and his sexuality or
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the Christian, the famous Christian.
681
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No, I think, first of all, he's a comedian. It's
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Kevin on stage. He's a funny dude, you know. I mean,
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this is what he does, and he's one. He's talking
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about himself. He's not putting it onto anybody else. He's
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speaking about his own proclivity that you can call it
686
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at this point in time. But he's not He's not saying, oh,
687
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y'all watch porn all day and I beat my you know.
688
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I mean, he's not like adding on top of it
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and giving you know, detriment to what he's talking about,
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you know, I mean his own activity. So no, I
691
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don't think it's too much of it. And I do
692
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think that you're doing too much and hating on Kevil
693
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on Stage's Kevil on stage.
694
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What are you talking about?
695
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Well, you know the thing is we are we can
696
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be pretty puritanical society in general, yes, but black people
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in particular, as much as we're actually stereotyped for being promiscuous,
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and there are those among us who are the majority
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of black people are pretty prudish when it comes to
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talking about sex, talking about masturbation, talking about you know,
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real things in sex, I that talk.
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I find that even in gay community, right, like where
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we are supposed to be, we are projected or caricaturized
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as sexual deviance and wild and all kinds of different things.
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And like even like the idea of being a sexual deviant,
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it's like, what does that mean? To deviate from what? Right?
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And like what are the rules that we're supposed to
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be upholding in these situations. I think that it's it's
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it's kind of absurd to me sometimes, but I also recognize,
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like it is something that is deeply important to so
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many people. But I just I struggle to understand where
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we get this from. Like, specifically, masturbation is not in
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the Bible, right, it's not Jesus never said.
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But the scientists say that it is a normal human function. Well,
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the scientists say that human beings need sex like they
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need food, water, shelter. Doesn't mean you can't be celibate.
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That's a choice, you know. Don't write to Tavis and say,
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Dominique says I can't be celibate. I'm not trying to
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tell you what to do with your life. I'm saying
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the scientists say that is a function of being a human,
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like eating, sleeping, and going to the bathroom.
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Yeah, I there's a there's data that came out a
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few years ago that said it was talking about men
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and prostate cancer, and it said that men need to
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what can I say on the radio release twenty one
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times a month? Now, I will say for like for
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like healthy prostate, for prostate health, right, and to reduce
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their chances of prostate cancer. Now, I want to say
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that twenty one times a month sounds like a number
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that would come from a study done by men, right.
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Like that, Also there should be an age range there.
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Well, I mean Mitchell one.
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Times a month, he would well.
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Might be in great condition, he might still be running
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the Senate. Well, but like, I don't know that that's true.
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The or the opposite could occur. You could have a
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heart attack. I'm just saying people have different health needs.
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Twenty one one size fits all.
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Well description when I think about the the just that
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science piece, right, when you talk about like what science
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says about what our bodies need, and the ways that
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that conflicts with Christianity's rules about what you should do,
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shouldn't do, et cetera. I'm like, those things, don't those
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things don't they conflict in a way that I don't
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know what to do with, right, I don't know what
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we're supposed to do with the information about what we're
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supposed to be doing with our bodies scientifically and what
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Christianity says, because we also in Christianity will say God
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says this, God wants that God, God, God got God.
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And I think we have to make the distinction between
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what God says and what religion says, right, because Christianity
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says you're not supposed to do this, Religion says you're
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not supposed to be that. Church says you're not supposed
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to do this.
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And yeah, depending on which church too, of course.
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Hmm.
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I wonder if that has anything to do with Pete
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Why Pete heg Seth wants to test soldiers over thirty
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we're testosterone efficiency? Okay, now I'm being I'm no, but.
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Like even this, right, like if we think about Pete
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hes right, the fact that they wanted for those of
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you that don't know, Pete Hegseth came out saying that
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they're going to start testing soldiers for their their testosterone levels, right,
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so right, and he's referring to them as warriors and
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all kinds of different language. And when we see that
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number one, I know that they're going to be some
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significantly problematic gender related outcome from that, right. But number
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two there is like an undertone of this about sexuality,
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about something that is like what are y'all what are
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you talking about? Actually peece, like what are we actually
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aiming for?
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I mean, it's really gender affirming care. Robert F. Kennedy,
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the HHS secretary who's seventy two, says he injects himself
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with testosterone as part of his anti aging regimen. So, yeah,
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there's gender. There's all kinds of weird gender implications. But
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also like.
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What I appreciate that you refer to the gender affirming
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care of that. Right. We hear people talk about gender
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affirming care and they think that that is about that
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it is just about transfolks transitioning. But gender affirming care
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is anything that is about your body that is related
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to your gender. When you're going to the gynecologists, that's
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gen affirming care. When a man is going to the urologist,
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that's gender affirming care. When he's getting his prostay check.
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That is gender affirming care. When you are having various
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different kinds of care, those are gender affirming care, right.
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And so when we hear that the government that the
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military wants to start implementing this with testosterone particularly, I'm like,
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what are we and then sign up?
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And then if they're deficient, are they going to shoot
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them up like they shoot up RFK and are we
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gonna are we going to testosterone test the president? Can
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we start there? I?
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Well, the idea that we're going to be testing people
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also says that if you don't pass the tests, either
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you're going to be getting shot up, or you're going
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to be getting pulled out, or you're going to be
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getting something.
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Else right, you're going to be prosecuted.
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You're going to be prosecuted, or you're going to be demoted,
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or you're going to be court martial. I don't know
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what those things are, right, We'll see, but I think
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there's an interesting dynamic of like, oh, we're going to
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be checking checking your testosterone levels? What does that mean
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for everyone? I don't know.
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I don't know, but keV on stage, maybe the least
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of our works.
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Kevi on Todays might be the least of our worries.
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I'll also say I'm very curious how this is going
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to impact women, right, what are they going to start
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asking women to have? Like, are they going to start
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testing estrogen levels at some point?
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Well that, I mean, we have testosterone too. Does that
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mean we get promoted if we have high te levels?
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You know what I mean? Like, what are the weird?
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It's very dystopian. It's it's you can't I mean, you
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can't make this.
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If I wrote this in a in a TV series,
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you could be like, come on, guys, all.
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Right, it's we got to pass the mic to Tavis
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Smiley remind us where to find your podcast and where
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to find you.
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Yes, you can find me everywhere at Jarrett Hill. Jared
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is two RS and two t's. You can find me
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at Jared hill dot com. My podcast, The Jared Hill Show.
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We have twelve episodes of this season that just finished,
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talking about various different ways that we look at revolution
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and how we fight back. Also, my book Historically Black Phrases,
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co written with treyvill Anderson, is in stores and we
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have a brand new game coming out called Watching Mouth
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from the book that will be available September eighth.
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Excellent and hopefully you'll come back and we'll play. Yes,
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we gotta go. Tavis has got a great show for you.
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You do not want to miss it. Like my dad,
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the late Great Amari Baraka, used to say, a man
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is either free, a woman is either free. A person
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is either free or they are not free. There can
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be no apprenticeship for freedom until tomorrow, my KBLA delegation.
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One Love,