EP 213: Former NFL Player David Vobora making a difference

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Hey everybody, it's more Pattison.
I'm back once again for another funenomenal podcast

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on the network. Here this week
I've got another amazing guests doing incredible things.

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But before we get to that,
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film, the NFL film on Everest. That's coming out in September. I

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will keep you posted on that.
We are having a big program here in

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some Valley Idaho on the twenty three. It's going to be exciting, it's

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going to be amazing and all to
go to higher ground, which leads me

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to my third point, the philanthropy
tab. Everything I do in terms of

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of philanthropy fundraising goes to my campaign
within higher ground called a Milias Everest.

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My daughter is epileopsy. She's fighting
a way through that and higher ground is

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this an amazing organization helping in a
lot of cases military people coming back,

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that are wounded, they are banged
up, that have called to issues,

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and higher ground is there to help
serve those people in so many ways.

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Okay, let's get into the day's
podcast. I've got an incredible guy actually

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met through higher ground, named David
Voorbura. David, how you doing?

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Hey, mark, excited for this
common buddy? Yeah, you know,

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I actually I was going to start
off with something you far in the past,

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but I was going to write I
gave you due respect and called you

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by your first name. There's another
name that you're associated what it called?

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Mr Your relevant yeah, buddy,
the infamous title. Yeah, so let

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me just set this up and now
I'll let you take it off from there.

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So one of the common bonds that
you and I have, and we

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have a lot of them, as
it all turns out, is that you

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were an NFL football player. You
look like one, you have the heart

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of one and it certainly you had
your day in the Sun. But you

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know, by the time and night, in two thousand and eight I was

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drafted in one thousand nine hundred and
eighty five by the raiders. By the

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time that you got drafted in two
thousand and eight. Obviously I'm older than

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you are, they broke it down
from twelve rounds down to seven rounds.

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So explain exactly what this term means, Mr Relevant, and what that meant

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on that particular day for you.
Yeah, so it's funny to set the

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stage here. I was slated as
a mid to late round pick, right

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for whatever that is in the imperfect
science that is the NFL draft. And

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the draft rolled on and on.
I think most of my friends were probably

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drunk could pass out by the time
that my name got called. I just

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so happened to be the two hundred
and fifty second pick in the two thousand

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eight draft, crowding me, Mr
Irrelevant. Now I had no I and

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this even existed. It's like five
picks to the end and somebody in the

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room says, Hey, I heard
the last pig like gets a car or

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something, and at the time I'm
driving a moped at the University of Idaho,

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so I might do anything's an upgrade
for me. I'll take a car,

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even if it's a hand me down. So we google it and then

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it's like this whole week out in
Orange County and they celebrate the first or

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the last. Is the first and
there's all and I'm like, well,

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that'd be kind of fun. And
then, sure enough, right Scotland Ahan

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is a head coach of the rams. He calls me. I end up,

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you know, and he says,
listen, don't worry about this title,

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we're drafting you to play man.
Come ready to go, and that's

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all I needed to hear. Right, call me Mr anything you want.

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I got drafted in the NFL and
you know, the travesty is actually the

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second to last pick, because he
doesn't get all the HOOPLA, the media

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platform. I got phone to Orange
County, drove a Lamborghini for the week,

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Disneyland, the Playboy Mansion Tonight,
show all that stuff, which is

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all fine. It's a little tongue
in cheek. But, like I said,

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like I was going to use this
foot in the door guys like you

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and me mark, like we're going
to blast it wide open and create an

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opportunity. Yeah, that's great,
that's great. You know, as you

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were talking about, I am from
the Pacific northwest to or you. You

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grew up in Eugene, Oregon,
and all of a sudden. You find

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a home at the University of Idaho
and I've been there in Moscow Idaho.

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You actually used to stay there for
the huskies when we play Washington State Pullman,

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which is only about eight miles away. And you know when you came

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and we were first introduced to each
other a month ago, we were recording

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now, on July twenty seven.
This show will come out probably in a

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month or so, but when we
talked a month ago, or so,

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you know I was. I was
really impressed with your size, which isn't

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at normal for a linebacker in the
NFL. You look like you fit that

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role perfectly. But I'm always surprised
at how you know, typically a guy,

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especially who makes it all the way
up and into the NFL regardless,

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because when I was the seventh round
pick, I wasn't Mr a relevant cause

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we have twelve picks right. Yeah, so you know, but at the

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end of the day, you and
I got drafted around the same your seventh

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throwne on my seventh rone. I
looked the part for Washington at the time.

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You looked the part like you could
have played for Washington, the USC

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or any other roople the time,
but how does a guy go from Eugene

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organ the backyard, you've got University
of Oregon that is cranking the football,

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that they somehow another slipped through the
cracks and end up at a smaller school?

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Yeah, you know, I pops
was a duck. He actually played

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against you. He was a linebacker
from seventysand eight hundred and eighty one for

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the ducks. And so you know, for me, I was always a

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skinny pencil net quarterback. Actually didn't
convert to a linebacker until I got to

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college. So I was an athlete
right, that sort of title, which

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should be a compliment, but the
same time it kind of says like Hey's

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athletic enough to play multiple spots,
but we don't know if he's excellent at

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any of them. So there's a
lot of development that needed to be made.

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And again I would add one d
one offered right Oregon, Oregon State.

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All those people pulled out so we'd
be have preferred walk off and I

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said sorry, I didn't get free
school. Plus I wanted to play d

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one at a level where I had
the opportunity early. So, you know,

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a hundred ninety pounds, soaking wet
plane linebacker getting my ass handed to

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me as a true fresh been,
but it was an opportunity. You know,

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we weren't real good, you know, during those years. Actually we're

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terrible, should even say real good. We are in the basement of the

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NCAA. But it was an opportunity
for me to fly all over the field,

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make a lot of tackles and it
ultimately led to moving up to the

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next level and, you know,
being able to embrace this underdog role.

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I was going to exceed expectation through
hard work. So this is for the

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audience right now, so anybody that's
listening to this pod. This, this

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first part of the pod is all
about me, because I want to hear

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about your football stuff. What we
are going to dig into is this is

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this incredible work that you're doing,
the impact that you're having, and I

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saw firsthand and I was blown away. It literally brought me to tears and

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we're going to get into that in
just a minute. But a couple more

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things, because I think this was
really interesting. was just kind of a

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factoid on you, which is that
you know your plan in the NFL,

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like I was, and and as
athletes, and we're seeing this right now

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because Olympics are going on, is
that all the athletes are out there trying

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to get the edge. You know
food, Diet, you know all the

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nutrition, new ways to exercise,
to refine your body, you know,

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and I you know whatever it takes. Like you're always looking for what's the

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next thing? How can I get
you better and how can you get the

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edge on somebody else? And one
of those things that you did was you

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were taking various supplements, like I
take protein powder today. It's a natural

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food based our plant based protein,
and that's why I take two scoops and

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I put it into myself on someone
smoothie. You'll like that, right,

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love them. And Yeah, so, so back in the day, I

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want you to explain what happened because, no, it's just a huge lesson

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for manufacturers and people out there in
the supplement business about what they put into

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their their various ingredients of the products
of the dead. Yeah, the proprietary

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blend, right, they there's certain
things that they can or that they have

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to report and certain things that they
don't, and within that proprietary blends where

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you get into trouble. It's the
wild west. Now, I did things

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by the book, which I was
always a by the Book Guy, believe

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me, had I been on steroids, my my facique wild looked drastically different,

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I would say, with how much
I was working out. And again,

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I think that edge a lots of
times it comes in that bucket of

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recovery. If you can recover faster, right, you can then go further,

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go harder, go faster. So
you know, for me it was

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like I called the hotline for this
product. They said, hey, there's

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nothing that you're reporting, that there
is on the label. This is not

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a product where largely familiar with,
but you know, we would counsel you

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that you're taking the stature of discretion. I did that twice with two different

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people. decided to take the supplement
and new some other people taking the supplement

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long and short, ended up popping
for performance enhancing drugs. Knew that I

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did nothing wrong. Put everything in
my locker. I swear I used every

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penny I had in my rookie bank
account shift into this very very very valid,

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very expertise lab and they did a
bunch of you know, breakdowns and

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components. They found that it was
tainted. But again, at first you're

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trying to go and and contender,
appeal this suspensions, four game suspension,

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and it's all internal. Nobody the
outside world knows. Eventually, when we

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realize that the NFL doesn't care,
I don't care if it was a broccoli

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supplement right and only brocky was in
there, they still are going to stand

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by. Hey, what's in your
bodies your responsibility, and that's how I

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would counsel anybody you know that that
is looking for an edge. I would

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say are on the side of being
prudent, not taking it and figuring out

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other ways than been taking it and
risking it, but ended up having to

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take the suspension and that sucked.
Man Like those that love me and new

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me knew the truth, but I
got hate mail. I'd have fans like

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my son's tearing up your card.
You're a cheat, you're a fraud,

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and it makes you like again like
I'd never I was never the first round

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draft picks. I didn't have a
ton of scrutiny on the outside world,

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but suddenly it was there and so
I had to my world got really small.

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I anchored myself in the things that
I could control and then had to

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work through two years in court to
eventually get exonerated and still one the largest

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supplement case to date of all time
against a pro sports athlete. So,

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yeah, to be exonerate time,
but that gets printed in page thirty seven,

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right, compared to the front page
one that was initially. So took

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a huge financial hit, took a
huge reputation hit, but those that know,

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mean those that have seen me and
continue to see my life since then,

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see that. Let's listen, this
guy's characters is of high value.

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Yeah, and for those that don't
know, typically the way the NFL pays

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out, if you're being know that
you you establish your salary and if you're

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playing sixteen games there and every week, you're getting one sixteenth of the salary.

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So if you're talking before game suspension, that means you're getting for paychecks

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that aren't coming your way. Right. So, and that was big for

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Mr irrelevant because he was not on
the multi billion dollar contract life. Listen,

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I appreciate that. was also back
in one thousand nine hundred and eighty

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five. So I get that.
Okay, so now we get let's let's

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transition out of the NFL. So, like a lot of people, that

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was one of them and and in
a credit the NFL today because they were

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so much more educational and there's so
much more care taking in terms of life

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after football and what to do in
educational program so so that's the good news.

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But at the end of the day
it's still avoid you know, you

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and I and other guys like that
have driven this fast car for a long

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time and it's the only card that
you know and it's the greatest thing of

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all time. There's nothing better.
And then you go off this cliff and

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now you're asking the question now what? And so I want to transition that

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in for you, to you in
terms of where you got inspired to start

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where we're going to talk about ATF
adaptive training foundation. So go ahead.

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Yeah, so you know again,
my NFL career was respectable. Did more

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than some, but less than most, is how I say it. And

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and again, I actually got hurt
playing in Seattle for the seahawks. Last

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play I played in the League.
I had a catastrophic shoulder injury. Now

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that was what others saw. What
was going on inside was an identity crisis,

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and you nailed it right. You
reshoot this pinnacle. You're so hyper

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focus and laser focused on being successful
in the field that you know, you

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start to identify overly with what you
do as who you are, and so

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I think this identical identity crisis not
dissimilar to our veterans. Right are are

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military service members who go out,
they're cheating at the highest level, giving

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orders, taking orders, by the
way. That's the real battlefield, and

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they're the ones that suddenly get ripped
from that. They come home and they're

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like well, what next? Right, they don't. They don't necessarily have

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a road map for transitioning well,
to see that their gifts that made them

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great in service or on the football
field applied to the next phases of their

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life. And so that the Frank
Truth is is I coped using pain pills,

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drugs, anything I can give my
hands on, anything to numb myself.

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And now, after decade post football
and being able to see some of

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the things in my early childhood and
some other developmental stuff, there was a

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lot of writing on the wall where
I use football to achieve so people would

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applaud so they wouldn't ask me what
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Starting to address the reason behind the
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Right, that was where the real
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opportunity to be in the NFL was
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significant work of my life, which
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the iron doesn't care, what color, what sexual preference, would race with

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gender, any of that right.
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as a way to see, wait
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can I help other athletes? But
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up, lost all four limbs.
Staff Stars and Travis Mills, quadruple amputee,

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was at a surprise birthday party for
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I'm sure I was rude to whoever
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it for trapped, as you know. Dude, when was the last time

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you worked out? And he made
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an asshole on our arms and legs? I said, Hey, I

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maybe an asshole, but that's not
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there's something you have to tap into
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do you reidentify with with the way
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and and with that conversation he took
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everyone in the gym right their excuses
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all my guys training from college to
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was like everyone had to elevate because
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reason to say no, but decided
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if people can't access it, how
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all of us right mark like we
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a lifestyle and behavioral change. That
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is for the one life that we
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to say, Pretty Soon I had
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which were military and first responder ampute's, final cord injuries, neurological diseases like

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Parkinson or NS. We were creating
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but I wasn't charging them because I
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had marginalized or they'd kind of been
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engaging in the game. So I
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the five, one, see three
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training for people disabilities. We run
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for nine weeks, we take them
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where we just suck it. Got
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now it's like, you train for
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Bombing it down a mountain, mountain
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Whitewater rafting like we did, being
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athlete. Now a lot of these
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you have a human body or an
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not. That was really become an
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they don't see themselves as, or
didn't see themselves as, athlete after they

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got hurt. Now we can redefine
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to not just, you know,
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and train others like them as a
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you watch people you know take on
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about the by the way, Travis
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anybody was about Travis is this comedian. That's what he is. He is

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a legit stand up community. He's
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I believe you're Jim is anddell's Texas
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so, let me give you this. This, this is you came

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To empower this is what ATF is
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the human athlete, Restore Hope Through
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disabilities. So I love it.
I love it and and I want to

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tell you quickly about my experience.
So so let's go back. So you're

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you're in this new one nine week
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now, I had a big flip
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Mount Everest and the goals is seven
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well, the NFL, a one
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recently was Mount Everest. And so
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for you know, throughout the last
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know, hardcore, two days every
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talking to some of these these different
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float trip, they would go in, I think, work out at least,

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you know, two times a day. So they were on that same

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path. And then you're talking about
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awarded an opportunity to go do something
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to go do something. So that
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boat with, I literally is she
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tell me your story, and and
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I had five bottles of wine or
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I could never come up with this
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case, you know, she was
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the people that she married. But
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and he ended up shooting her.
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try to kill her, and she
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the waist down. And then she
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guy on her wedding night of all
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had a little bit to my drink. She ends up on the floor of

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you know, on the bed.
She had gone to the bathroom, couldn't

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get back in and the rottweiler that
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wish down with one of the legs
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the amount of compassion and humility I
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was, you know, huge,
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and her pain and her struggle.
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this podcast is called funny. Your
so much about people have become adversity and

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fun in their way, and and
for me to even compare my my accomplishment

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compared to what she's going through,
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even compare. She was like miles
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all have our everest and that's the
beauty of this podcast. You know,

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I think the mountain humbles all people
at some point. So it's about allies

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and alliance. It's about doing life
with people that allow you to get out

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what you don't know how to say. Sometimes it takes that movie a hundred

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eighty degrees south. That's one of
my favorites. Right, is they're trying

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to kind of a pilgrimage to remap
the way that you've on Shin Ard and

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and now man, the get the
other founder, not north face or Patagonia

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and the north astounder. Anyway they
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being this, this moment where turning
around as the hardest right, the idea

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that like we have to look at
the risk and evaluate the fact that we

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need me to turn around two hundremeters
from the top, right, and that's

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the hardest decision to make. But
the it's not necessarily turning around if you're

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taking a step in the correct direction. But that's not for all people.

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Right. How do you have people
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safe? Right, like my wife
says all the time, she knows who

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she married. Right, I can
try to be smart. I can evaluate

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at the risk and take different data
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ultimately I can't be safe, you
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athletes and enlistt them, because that
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is is grandiose and ridiculous and unfathomable. Unfathomable as it is, it's like

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we all can find a little bit
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and so it's not that yours is
bigger or smaller, it's just that,

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like life doesn't discriminate, you know, a drunk driver, a tree falling,

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a gunshot, randomness, seemingly randomness, can actually orchestrate the biggest,

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you know, intersection of meaning and
purpose in our lives. Now it does

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it have to take trauma? No, but it's certainly a motivating factor when

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your life's turned upside down in your
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with who you were. I say
this all the time. I'm my why,

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Dave the bore is why, is
helping people close the gap between who

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they think they are and who they're
called to be. That's that's it.

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That's a powerful thing. Right not
become right. I can't tell you what

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you're supposed to be calm, because
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whether you're tapping into who you're called to

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be. That's a that's a really
wild thing. So you're shifting from extrinsic

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worth, value and motivation to intrinsic
that type of person is unstoppable. Right.

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I don't care who you are,
you can transcend just about any type

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of pain and suffering when you have
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Mark, I think you know.
You and I talked and just your own

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personal development that had allowed you to
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and aware of all the factors that
you were making a choice. Right,

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you're making a choice when you're going
to do something like Everest. You're evaluating

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the risk, you're making the choice
of the other tradeoffs that you're not going

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to be able to point bandwidth an
energy toward, and then you have to

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be okay when you hit the pillow
at night as to why. But nobody

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else can tell you that. Nobody
else can say that for you. You

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don't. Ever, lots of people
watch a movie under a warm blanket about

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every since say I'm going to do
that one day. A little bit different.

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When you're out of mote to your
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by yourself and wondering. You snowblind
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you know, and I think that
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fear encounters. Not Everybody has to
be on Everest, but ways to look

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at their story so that they can
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a lot to unpack there. The
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know, the thing that just kept
hitting me. It was just mindset,

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mindset, mindset, right, because
I'm so there's plenty of times for the

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other people like I can. I
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give you the magic formal a bit. It has to come within and and

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so you encounter so many people like
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to evers for a minute, okay. And of the twenty one people only

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tend some of it right, so
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and and there was a chunk of
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people had read the book, seen
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that both. They didn't have the
true mindset of a warrior to take on

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what it was going to take to
make that kind of effort, of two

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mounts of suffering, of going up
and down, have avalanche is coming,

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June cold and all the other stuff
that counted right. And so it was

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easy for them just in plug and
said, you know, and I'm just

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I got is make them a bad
person. Sure you just have the mindset

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of the champion to do that particular
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into you and all the people on
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example of one person. Another Gal
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that was the first time she was
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You're constantly having all these types of
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maybe if people were to come and
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and now there's a slight mindshift.
I mean, how do you get those

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guys that have so many obstacles against
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take that kind of massive leap to
get to where they want to go,

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like you said, become the best
version of themselves? Yeah, it's sweat,

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psychology, because when your heart rate
goes of you start to learn about

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that monkey mind. Right. What
is your mind tell you, and can

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you acknowledge it? Right? But
then realize that it's not paying rent up

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there. Right, because there's something
in here that scans every four seconds or

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even more often, depending on your
sympathetic pair. Sympathetic, you know,

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harmony, but it looks for safety
and survival. Right. It wants to

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evaluate danger. Where your why,
as to why you're putting yourself into inherent

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danger? Exposure has to has to
be big enough and more significant enough to

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outweigh whatever this is telling you.
Right. There has to be a way

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for you to tap into go beyond. Right, like Victor Frankel did it

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in concentration camps. Right, people
do it in extreme sport. Stephen coasters

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arise of Superman as a profound book, talking about people tapping into that routinely

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so that they don't die on that
fifty foot wave or in this, you

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know, extreme sport. So for
me it's really handsol and Gretel. It's

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like, HMM, I'm going to
sit back pretend we me and this person

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on training, this athlete I'm working
with, don't speak the same language.

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I speak English, they speak Japanese. So I have to put experiential learning

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opportunities because think about this Food Business
Lens. If you're managing people, you're

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saying, hey, we need this
behavior to have this result. You got

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to do that over and over and
over and over and over. If you

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create a hear me, this is
leadership. You create an experience that changes

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of belief, that shapes of behavior, that then changes a result. So

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you have to be able to go
to the experience level. Sometimes am using

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weights and condition to reach them.
Other Times I'm using breathwork and mindfulness meditation.

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meeting. Twice during our nine week

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program we lock in all the athletes
at a different time of the day,

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usually the evening, and our staff
and we talked about the reason behind the

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reason. Right, you can go
home every night reaching for a bottle of

409
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Bourbon. The Bourbon's a problem,
but the reasons two or three back from

410
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that. Right. And so I
lead. Hey, look, here's my

411
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mess, boom right, put it
out there. Then suddenly I'm no longer

412
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on a pedestal and all these people
you give them permission. Right, because

413
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courage is action. In the face
of fear and I believe vulnerability is the

414
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most powerful way to exhibit true courage. And so if you get people around,

415
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people like that, especially Alpha's like
you and myself, that have this

416
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champion mindset, other people, suddenly
he's realize it's accessible for them because some

417
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point they were told they couldn't,
wouldn't shoot it, or they tried it

418
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and failed and they gave up the
muscle in the head right, the ability

419
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to activate certain things in your mindset, affirmations and otherwise. But then not

420
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:34.079
allowed negated language, not allow that
monkey mind, that little whisper, that

421
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.440
insidious thing that tells you can't.
If you don't let that in right or

422
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if you just allow it to pass
through you, because it's going to show

423
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.440
up. It shows up for all
of us, then suddenly you become bulletproof

424
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.599
and your why will always over ride
the how. You will find a way

425
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to get it done straight up.
So you know it is. It's a

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00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.200
psychologist approach through the gym that Elicits
this opportunity for their paradigm to shift.

427
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And it doesn't. Doesn't always happen
at the same time for people. It

428
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could happen week two. That could
happen week ten, when we're on the

429
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mountain. It did, but at
some point it does happen for every athlete

430
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.400
that goes through. What is it
done for you? WHOO man, you

431
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.680
want to know what's done for me? Yeah, so I'll try to do

432
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:22.440
this without too much emotion. It
has given me permission to go into and

433
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.599
and and to be willing to grow
and learn from the little me that was

434
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ten year old, ten years old
and sexually abused, and in that these

435
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:34.240
athletes. Again, I think I
started this because I recognized the need and

436
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.960
it felt good because I was excited
and my passion was was meaningful to serve

437
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.319
these people in this population. But
I also did I think, as a

438
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.920
distraction so I didn't have to deal
with some of my own stuff, and

439
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.000
it took me a couple of years
and some serious burn out to realize whoa

440
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.839
the things I'm preaching at them I
need to do for myself. So the

441
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.559
athletes of the adapt training foundation of
giving me permission to really wade into the

442
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.839
water and my own stuff and to
heal and work through which is made me

443
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:02.960
more powerful and even more impactful for
the mission itself. And the other thing

444
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.960
that's been really impactful is my kids
don't see disability. You know, we

445
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.680
had a double blogning ampute come over
the house when he first got to town

446
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.000
and have dinner and it was he's
been here like thirty minutes and he he

447
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.480
the girls one in the other room. I've had eight and six yearold little

448
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.519
girl, and he said, dude, I'm freaking out because your kids they're

449
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.759
not even looking at my legs right, or like they're not even staring at

450
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.680
me, because that's so abnormal for
the rest of the world. So you

451
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.839
know, ATF is given me permissions, made my life much more rich and

452
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.160
more meaningful, and that it is
also, you know, endowed my my

453
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.079
family with a perspective that, if
I leave the Earth tomorrow, I'm incredibly

454
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.240
proud of. Well, certainly a
sense of purpose, right in terms of

455
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:45.680
what you're doing and how you do
it. And you mentioned, you know,

456
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:52.039
what is really giving you gigantic leaps
in your life and the whole you

457
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.960
know, phrase around being vulnerable right, which it didn't take me to a

458
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:02.599
fifty to figure that that word out
right, and it's really when all these

459
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.000
gifts really started to flow in and
everything that I've done those cost me money.

460
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.960
These gifts I'm talking about, there's
no financial reward. Everything I do

461
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.759
cost money and but it's the people, it's relationships of you know, even

462
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.119
even the six months I had with
you and your team, and why you

463
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.039
pick me to be with that,
on that particular boat, with that particular

464
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.839
person. What I held on to, you know, all the way down

465
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.279
the river. You know, I
don't know, but it was another guy

466
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.799
named Q. He was in the
boat, and so, you know,

467
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:36.039
it's just a really cool, really
really cool experience. Tell me, tell

468
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.400
me, give me an example of
I mean I gave an example from based

469
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.920
on my one and only really interaction
with somebody that brought me to tears.

470
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:48.480
But give me something that has been
maybe the like when you start talking about

471
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.480
the person's arc and they are coming
in there were completely, a hundred percent

472
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.440
damaged and by the time they went
through this program and the you know,

473
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.799
you saw this flower just really bloss
my sure there's, there was lots of

474
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.640
stories like this, but is are
one that sticks out, you know,

475
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.839
one more than the other. Yeah, over two hundred and fifty of these

476
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:15.119
stories are just jaw dropping wow impacts. One that comes to mine a woman

477
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.920
who was in a motorcycle accident with
her husband. Her husband passed, she

478
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.279
ended up losing her leg. Above
the name. She remembered like nothing from

479
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.319
the occurrence, aside from news clippings
and, you know, police reports and

480
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.599
so on. And you know,
like a lot of these athletes, they

481
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.720
come at an orientation, their posture, they're, you know, body position

482
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.400
sucks and they're very somber and they
say things like I just I just want

483
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.519
to feel normal again. I just
want to get back to who I was

484
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.319
before this. And it's funny because
I I earlier. They and on say

485
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.599
hey, how about if I walked
up to you and I try to compliment

486
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.759
you and say hey, mark,
you really normal. But like, who

487
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.839
wants to be called normal? The
truth is is what's? Replace that with

488
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.640
uncommon. Right, that's a really
uncommon person. Right. I want to

489
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.839
get to know that person's story,
like what is, because wisdom is healed

490
00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.279
pain, and when I'm around a
lot of people that have been, you

491
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.920
know, affected by traumas or been
dealt scars, there's a wisdom in them

492
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.759
and I'm eager and curious to listen
to the way that they position what has

493
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.799
happened to them. As if it's
for her against them. And so,

494
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.000
you know, being able to talk
to this woman early on the program was

495
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.400
just this very timid thing and then
you could see her write like a plane

496
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.440
taking off, just slowly getting more
altitude and a little bit more swag,

497
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.640
or a little bit more attitude,
little bit more energy and emotion. Well,

498
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.039
we do this thing called so madic
emotional release. It's basically using breathwork

499
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:41.960
to to dance the tight rope between
your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, which

500
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.440
is fight or flight, rest and
digests, right, those are the two,

501
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.160
and to be able to create governance
over those. We see certain things

502
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.960
in the body being stored and being
stuck and other things moving and there's there's

503
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.039
asymmetry usually. So we'll put her
on this Yoga Mat, we do six

504
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.720
to eight rounds of intense breathwork and
then we ask her to visualize and go

505
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:04.880
back to the night of and this
takes her trusting us, like bulletproof trust,

506
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.519
because we're taking her to the to
the most vulnerable state, right into

507
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.640
her biggest level of trauma. So
finally, after about six rounds, she

508
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.640
sat up and tears streaming down her
face. She said, I remember the

509
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.039
last thing you said to me,
I remember leaving the restaurant, I remember

510
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:22.519
holding him as but, and I
mean I do, I got goose bumps

511
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.720
right now and she's just now.
To a lot of people, most people

512
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.880
would probably go I don't even want
to know. I don't even want to

513
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.759
go there. But for her she
needed that. She wanted some closure and

514
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.920
she wanted to see what could come
up so that she couldn't so that she

515
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.079
wouldn't suppress or repress it any longer, knowing that this path that we were

516
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.680
guiding her through was that, you
know, the emotion stored in the body

517
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.400
create disharmony and dis ease over time. And so that suddenly, boom for

518
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.279
her, it was like, you
know, just just the noss button and

519
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.240
she took off and a graduation.
She stood up and she, you know,

520
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.039
earned her patch and she's like,
I'm gonna Bubba, the Bubba,

521
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.799
the BUBBA. I'm going to do
this, I'm going to climb this,

522
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.920
I'm going to work here, I'M
A and it was like watch out world,

523
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.960
right. So those are those things
that, if we can earn their

524
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.960
trust, there's plenty of again doing
a week of adaptive skiing. That's a

525
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.880
cool thing. Getting a veteran a
job or a house or something, that's

526
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.960
great stuff. But if we're not
right between the years, it's not going

527
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.960
to stick, it's not going to
be sustainable. Right. So we we

528
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.960
built a not for profit that is
going to wait in the water do life

529
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.720
for nine weeks with the hopes that
when the wheels start to shake, they

530
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.559
can recall the tools they've been equipped
with, but also be able to call

531
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.559
us and say, Hey, am
I crazy? Everybody says I'm crazy.

532
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:36.119
Like Hey, you're not crazy,
you're just uncommon. So let's take an

533
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.480
uncommon approach just problem solve our way
through this. It's awesome. Love that.

534
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:45.559
Love that. So shifting just a
hair, I want to know about

535
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:51.359
your ellen experience. Yeah, you
know Ellen. I'll be honest. I

536
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.599
think that the rumors, well,
they're even rumors now they've come out.

537
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.000
I don't think Ellen has a great
track record, you know, for her

538
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.279
people and her staff. And if
I'm honest, Bro I ellen was it

539
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.920
wasn't a letdown. It was a
cool experience, but it was it was

540
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.320
dog and pony man, and it
was how many times we have to go

541
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.400
through the questions that she's going to
bring up. It was like they scripted,

542
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.559
basically, you know, like it's
not scripted, but it's scripted.

543
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:16.679
And like, you know, I
don't I'm not here to Bash Allen.

544
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.079
It was a great exposure and a
great platform, but it just felt like

545
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.440
it was, yeah, just an
industrial line and it just didn't feel authentic.

546
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.199
I think about the things in the
last eight years and a lot of

547
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.440
people never see them because they weren't
built for external facing, you know,

548
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.800
projects. But it's like when you
show up and you don't care who's watching

549
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.440
or who sees it, and everybody
shows up that way, then if it

550
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.960
is projected out into the world,
the frequency or the energy around it,

551
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.519
the reception of that is so much
more altruistic and authentic. I mean,

552
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.239
cannot saying you can't plan, but
you know, I mean like even your

553
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.519
film crew on Everest Right and everything
to let up to it, that was

554
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.559
a level of commitment where they too
are going to have to be vulnerable,

555
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.360
are going to have to put themselves
in harms way to get this thing done,

556
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.960
and it's a different mindset that approaches
it. Then like an ellen experience

557
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.079
or something like that. Well,
the whole thing. Look to your to

558
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.440
your point on the film. It's
just when we store to the when we

559
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.519
store the project up until the last
day came on the mountain. There was

560
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.119
no plan, there was no storyline. It was just like this story line

561
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.280
was a cures mark. He's a
former NFL players daughter's epilepsy and he's going

562
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:27.639
to Mount Everest, like what's going
to happen now? Right? And so

563
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.199
it's all the film and then all
the drama went down and just you know,

564
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:36.079
I anytime somebody in it times,
somebody reaches out to me and they

565
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.480
want me to be on their podcast
and they they they've sent me. This

566
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.400
doesn't happen very often, but they've
sent me like a ten point question.

567
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.519
There just don't do it right because, again, you just don't know where

568
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.400
these conversations that go and you do
want them to be authentic, because that

569
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.239
is what makes things really rich and
really digging in and I think the whole

570
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.440
key, like if in anything that
you do, if the more you listen

571
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.599
to more you can dig and really
uncover what's really going long, you know.

572
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.639
So, for in terms of ATF, where do you see that going

573
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.599
from here? Because you guys have
tre menace amount of momentum and you know,

574
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.960
I just I can imagine the mental
lives. You said two hundred and

575
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.840
something people have have gone through your
program and and so, you know,

576
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:19.679
to elevate that to a different level, I don't even know that level will

577
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.039
be. Yeah, so I think
the root is what we've touched on today,

578
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.320
which is storytelling. Right, people
find themselves and other people's stories.

579
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.480
So we are in really exciting I
can't say much because of NBA and shopping

580
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.079
agreements, but in two thousand and
twenty two there will be a docu series.

581
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.960
So imagine this, right, the
character development is Badass. So you

582
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.800
have ten adaptive athletes, some better
in some civilian, from all different walks

583
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.480
to versus, diversity of life,
and they're going to go through this nine

584
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.960
week course, right. And and
yes, there's this episodic kind of heroes

585
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.159
arc as you follow through this journey. But then you watch this cohort eventually

586
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.800
go on their redeployment trip and they're
bomited down the mountain or whatever. Then

587
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.679
they come back to train the new
class. So you're going to be able

588
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:05.320
to see the person that was in
this pit have this crescendo and then where

589
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.920
are they now? Will now they're
back to pay it forward. Now,

590
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.559
the storytelling side of that is going
to put a huge spotlight on a large

591
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.960
platform. Then it is going to
be tens of thousands, because there's forty

592
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.800
million Americans that have been labeled and
filed with a physical disability in just the

593
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.840
United States. Forty million. Okay, now let's say ten or twenty thousand

594
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:28.320
of those apply to come to my
program right. That that does. That's

595
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.039
not good math. Right. And
again, we're the laboratory that is my

596
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.280
program is the gym. We're looking
for a specific type of person. I

597
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.760
need to build something for the masses
that's scalable and it's not in brick and

598
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.639
mortar, especially not in a postcovid
landscape. So what it is is this

599
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.400
adaptive class. We're building a hybrid
digital infrastructure. People are familiar with masterclass,

600
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.480
similar concept, but the idea would
be a nine week protocol that follows

601
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.719
what we do in the gym,
but done in a selfdirected weekly way with

602
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.639
a once a week live interface with
one of our alumni coaches who have graduated.

603
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.119
It helps the the you, the
adaptive athlete. That's graduated. They

604
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:07.039
get paid right to do it once
a week live with other people with similar

605
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.440
impairments. So I'm going above the
ampute. I have thirty above the amputees

606
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.159
in my class on the hybrid digital
and we're going to do a once a

607
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.719
week live interface where I'm going to
take them to a workout, they're doing

608
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.519
the same breath and meditation stuff,
being able to talk about this life as

609
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.760
an above the ampute. So the
future of ATF is a model that is

610
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:31.159
scalable in a digital infrastructure and a
docu series is going to be able to

611
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tell stories for maximizing support, awareness
and just the opportunity for, you know,

612
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again having getting blown up right,
going on a first deployment, being

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nineteen years old, coming back at
triple ampute. One of the guys in

614
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our gym is this exact guy.
The what next question isn't just it,

615
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it's like where can I even provision
for myself? Because if I've earn more

616
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than x right, I lose my
social security disability. So there's this trap

617
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right, and with it it's like
Yo, hey, take victim on a

618
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silver platter, go take your prescription, your meds and go sit on the

619
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couch and what we're saying is like
no, man, the thing, the

620
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the thing that has caused you this
trauma is actually a qualifying factor for where

621
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you can be of great contribution to
society and others. So we're just shifting

622
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that narrative in a bottom up approach, saying the people closest to these,

623
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quote, problems are the best to
solve them. Right, if they can

624
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solve them and earn while doing it. Dude, you've got to actually you've

625
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got a pretty entrepreneurial social interface and
that's that's really where we're going with ATF.

626
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I love this, love this work. Can People find you? Because

627
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because people have to hear more about
this stuff. Yeah, thanks, man.

628
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I mean the certainly social media right
seems like that to go to for

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everyone, whether that's myself, David
Barbora or adaptive training foundation, on those

630
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social channels, or you can go
to team ATF, team ATF DOT Org.

631
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The website has sponsorship opportunities, donation
opportunities. Here's where I tell people

632
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they're listening. Some people have the
capacity to dontate. That's awesome. You

633
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.280
can buy a t shirt right there's
there's swag that's on the site. That

634
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all those proceeds go to athlete sponsorships
and you can wear with somebody asks,

635
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you can talk about it. But
the last thing I'll say that is certainly

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free is if you see a video
and it it resonates with you, it

637
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captivates you, to motivates you,
share it, share it, tag us,

638
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.920
tag me, because you never know
who in your sphere of influence is

639
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.599
going to see that poster or share
and be touched right like I just to

640
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believe that you look somebody in their
eyes and treat them like a whole person

641
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:36.920
and that person shows up and sometimes
just sharing that video is that connect that

642
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.639
you know, in the disconnected world, we realize that that can be that

643
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.880
little dose of hope right and that
could be all the difference. Well,

644
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I can say this with absolute certainty. YOU ARE NOT MR irrelevant. You're

645
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very relevant. You're doing a mazing
things with ATF and just the positivity that

646
00:40:53.280 --> 00:41:00.119
you glow when you're around others like
myself, when I had a really amazing

647
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.679
opportunity to be a part of your
your Organization for one day in association with

648
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.119
Hi Ground, who I'm connected with, and really hope that in the future

649
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that either I'm in Dallas, or
your back here in some valley and I

650
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.719
can come out and visit your your
a facility, or, you know,

651
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.440
we're floating down another river, you
know, somewhere out here in the valley.

652
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So for that, thank you very
much for coming on, thank you

653
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.199
for doing what you do and best
of luck in the future and if there's

654
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.960
anything I can do to you know
further your cause, you let me know.

655
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.199
Thanks, brother. Thank you.
I'd say this. The only personal

656
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.039
ask is, when you do answer
to what's next question for you, you

657
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.039
gotta let me know because I got
to sneaky suspicion. I'm going to be

658
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.039
a I want to be a part
of it. Yeah, yeah, well,

659
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.880
it's coming out. It's some clarities
coming around really quick. So all

660
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right, folks, there is the
one, the only David Bokoro there were

661
00:41:51.519 --> 00:42:00.440
going take. Hey, and thank
you so much for listening to the Fund

662
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.119
your summit podcast. We are so
glad to have you long for this journey

663
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.480
and if you enjoy the show,
please tell a friend, share it on

664
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Itunes, spread it to the planet. We're looking to broadcast this to every

665
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.199
person that is out there because,
as you know, everybody has their own

666
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:21.960
summit that they're going after. Okay, if you're looking to follow my journey,

667
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.559
you can find that through my social
links on Mark Pattison nflcom. That's

668
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:35.840
Mark and M R K Pattison Pattio
in nflcom. So until the next podcast,

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disremember clear eyes, full hearts and
remember it takes a little more to

670
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make a champion, so make it
happen. Thank you. Bye. This

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