Offense vs Titans Part 2

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi folks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the episode of Film Study.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Ken McCuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back from part two of our discussion of the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joining me again is Ben Hall of 1057.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ben.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feeling good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy talking about what you always can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great discussion in the first half, and honestly, you know, so little of it, relatively speaking, was about the win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really more about what are the, what are the Ravensuit without Lamar Jackson?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is this offense going to look like next week?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's against the Atlanta Falcons, who just put up 45 on the Saints last night, a scary proposition to be sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Without a doubt, you never feel good without your quarterback won, especially just what the way he's playing this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, all the talk was, well, he dealt with injuries all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not only are you scared about when you will finally get him back, whether, and quite honestly, could be this week, it could be next week, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the re-entry possibility?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How is Lamar rebound from an ankle injury that if you watch the video, did look kind of tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a really, really bad spot for a first-time play
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously, we did talk a little bit about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Declan Doyle can make or not make or break, but he can make his career take it up another notch by posing a vote by the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: cobbling together a win with the talent he's got against Atlanta, but it seems like it's going to take a lot of changes on offense and we talk a little bit about differences in A dot with the Lamar 11.7 and the first half and the average type of Huntley pass going a full foot behind
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[SPEAKER_01]: ahead of the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of it was on the receivers to pick up the act basically while Snoop was in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a pretty good job of completing passes, but it didn't get the the yardage needed very often in that second half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we let's talk a little bit about some elements of the run game that we didn't really cover the first half, some of Derek Henry's play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They used Henry for 40 at a 64 plays in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They used Hill for 24.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No pony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't used any pony so far this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've also used no of Roshina leave through four weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He surprised it all by that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe being banged up a little bit through training camp and Declano having, having his first time here, it's not like Todd Monk and where you knew a little bit more what he was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when Declano takes such job, he knows his person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he knows everybody, but it might just be a little bit different where a guy gets a slow start is out for a while during preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right now, it's all handled hands-on deck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these two guys, to be quite honest with you, just as hell I feel like
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[SPEAKER_00]: they might be able to utilize a little bit more just with the speed that he has and hit his ability like as it's not even close to what Derek Henry can do with home run plays, but just as hell could really really give this off on something with just some juice and a different type of speed, a different pace back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw with Keith Mitchell, but even when Keith Mitchell was here, just as hell was able to still give the ravens some more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would be a little bit interested to see them get him a little bit more involved in the run and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so I also like to see him involved in the past game in a different way that he becomes a useful outlook receiver now all out receivers are less useful when Snoop is in the game because the the offense gets the defense gets so compressed to the line of scrimmage so additional horizontal stretching of the of the defense isn't as valuable as it should be the really need his vertical stretches in this game coming up and we talked about that enough in the first half that we don't need to go back to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two players that we've kind of left off the discussion so far are Adam Randall who's still sitting out there on IR and technically could be activated this week and even play were he to be ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's in the cards by the way, I don't think they're planning to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they have once they open a three week window, they can get them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other one is more significant issue, because the Ravens are down to two outside corners for this next game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Balal Cone is sitting out there as a guy they could return to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any feeling that that might happen as a question been asked of mentor in the last couple of days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when he was asked, it was more of, and I don't think the past couple of days I think was as last week, and it was more like, all right, why do we even ask?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, it's kind of like, we'll see where things are at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you mentioned, Coney would be more beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Randall is, he's in a really tough spot with just being hurt early in the year and showing some juice and preseason, but then having to sit out for four weeks at least and have to figure things out as the year goes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they all find it's already clicking, how do you want to get him in there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas DB, we know they have a lot of guys who go down with Dell with injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the long Coney was a dude that they were super high on when they got him out of Western Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked really good before tearing the ACL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the recovery is going the way they would like, and I think you suffered a setback or a little bit of a different kind of bang up there for himself with injuries dealing with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Black Kona, I think it helped us team down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just he meant to also at least when he was in LA, was able to get a lot out of day three DBs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what target still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what with a number of guys that they had in that secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't shock me if down the stretch, we saw more Kona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he begins practicing this week, but I wouldn't expect to see
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's, I think, usually players are not activated till the end of their window, and the Ravens frankly, with both of these players, more with the Cone, it was legitimately hurt, but Randall, it's either an in-crown toenail or a hang nail, it's one of those two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it is the kind of injury that it probably would simply play through, but they're basically timing up a replacement for some point in the season with him and when they start the three week window, then they have to end the three week window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have done it for players before and I'm forgetting who the player was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about it was an outside linebacker about two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did a, and one IRDTR left, they activated the guy to a three week window, and at the end of the period they had to just shut them down for the year on IR, because they, they didn't have a spot for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they used their last IRD, DTR prophylactically, because there wasn't anybody else to use it on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they might as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Ravens are our expert at that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're being experts in terms of how they're using Randall here and allow them not to cut our Leo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of a lot of people around town were perfectly happy to let that that that transaction happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people were and and to your point of nothing would surprise me here, but they are very on top of it with finding ways to construct the roster and and do things outside of the norm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're always working every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that not many teams will do, but the Ravens will do to make sure that they can keep two guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They really like on the Raw, starting a guy like Randall who maybe you can get something out of this year, but I think you're good with him moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that is a situation like that where they're able to have, but I think for now it'll be a few weeks and I think that'll if I'll leave, especially if I'll leave doesn't have an offensive snap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know we help some special teams, but if I'll leave doesn't give you anything on offense on the stretch, it's all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll always not even returning kickoffs at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Wester and more or this last game, it was Wester and I think it was Wester and Hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the other guy back?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, anyway, it hasn't been our lead that I've noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he may be on that unit and just up closer to the point of contact between the two units and he might be on the punting unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really haven't had it noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's playing some special team snaps, but it's a very limited role for the Ravens as the point coming out of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I also thought he was a guy they could have kept on the practice squad that probably would have gone on
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[SPEAKER_01]: What have you been playing by now, maybe a tradition makes the replacement level lower, so at some point he does get claimed, but I think they were pretty safe in terms of having an eventually they've got a decision to keep Randall and cut Ali just because the service time would dictate that in any case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think they just were able to get a little bit more bang for their buck here without a one about doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe see if Ali has a burst of anything or if he's able to do something for the few weeks that you need them, but as you mentioned, I think in the coming weeks the time will come and receive all these time and Baltimore probably over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I want to talk a little bit about a Henry first half he was nine for 39 4.3 long of 14 not a great half, but a half where he was playing with them are Jackson 16 to be fine second half 14 carries for 34 yards they really leaned on him in that second half, I mean they had they just stuck the football and has got the whole time and he
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[SPEAKER_01]: only was able to generate 2.4 yards per carry, which is not a function necessarily of either him or the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more a function of the defense getting very compressed with Tyler Huntry in a quarterback and the difficulties that creates for the Ravens offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tough game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He only had two miss tackles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This has been an ongoing theme now for two years with him that his miss tackle rate has not been nearly as high as it was in 24 or for the most of the rest of his career when he's a writer just a day hair under 0.20
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[SPEAKER_01]: miss tackles force per carry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now he's at slightly over, he's at 0.146 so for this year he was at 0.140 last year and those are the two lowest totals since it's rookie year when he's at 0.136 or 0.138 or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, very frustrating that he's not breaking the number of tackles that he used to, you know, we do expect some drop off at some point but that's an area where they brought an eddy Faulkner and I was really hopeful that would, you know, some of those
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely been a little concerning early and definitely a long, it stands out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you see some of the heavy hitters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just not seeing it yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You thought against Tennessee against his old team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be able to play a little bit more of a chip on his shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think as you mentioned, the second half it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: move up front, take him away, and they were able to do just that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for this week, like I talked about it on Monday or about we're talking about it at football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it lands as a team and it's 11 hats to the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's guys that are there cleaning up and if their camera can make a manner to miss, that would be crucial in this week, especially when you have Tyler Huntley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: potentially, playing for four quarters, he's going to have to adjust a little bit of self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the offensive line is going to get more push, but Tyler or Derek Henry is going to have to adjust a little bit to the way things are going for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have to break more than he has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he, this feels like a week and it was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that he gets, I don't expect him to get the green bay touches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was just an outrageous thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was coming off of a Patriots game where it needed to be a point of emphasis because he didn't get the touches that the entire fan base and even John Harball had mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a game where Derek Henry knew the pressure was going to be on him and from the job Derek Henry was eating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this one might have to be or hopefully will look like that for this Raven's offense if they're going to perform as good as they can with the back of quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a certainly great if that were to occur.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want one more point about schema when I make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Ravens had 10 set and 9 chip blocks in this game, which is kind of a low total at 0.61 per pass or sack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they had very little numbers from Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned this is the first part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at 4.25 pass, rushers per play is extremely lean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ravens had a similar number for the game, by the way, as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the
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[SPEAKER_01]: to use that many sets and chips relative to that few pass rushers is a little unusual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just a little bit of football here for people who might not know this, a set or chip block may not be decided at the in the heartle, but the player has the responsibility to throw one under certain blitz or
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[SPEAKER_01]: rush conditions, or they may line up a certain way or they may blitz, and then adjust to sale understands what those rules are and he throws a chip lock or he throws a set block if that's what he's supposed to do, and otherwise he's free to go out for a route, so it's very much influenced by how many past rushers that the opponent sends on the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And quality as well, I would say like, and this week, depending on what goes on was a dairy smith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he leads him in sacks, but he's, of course, dealing with a concussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got, they don't have the premiere guy that all week, you're staying up a little bit later to make sure you figure out to take away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they played the football, they've been good defensively, but they don't have that premiere pass, rusher that keeps you up late tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk some offensive line here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to start with a short synopsis and then I'll let you ask the questions here, but the LeBar took two sacks in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The offense allowed this number is going to see an strange to you, but I'm going to explain why it is this way 6.17.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pressures in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I people know I think if listen to the show for a long time I split up every pressure Sack or quarterback hit by responsibility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's five and a half pressures plus another two-thirds of a pressure That that make up that six point one seven one and a third quarterback hits one and two-thirds Sacks is a group among thirty one pass plays They were also responsible for one point five of the two penetrations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those were Runs for loss that occurred on the play the point of all that is is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was about a average game in terms of total events allowed by the offensive line, and actually at a decent game in terms of penalties with only one flag for five yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So most of what we'll talk about in terms of the grading is about what they did in other ways, in terms of missing blocks and making some positive blocks in level two on the move and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest surprise for me was flying, being flagged for just just once, four or five yards and that's been an issue for everybody, but even like some of the pre-saps stuff, Ronnie Stanley has been a guy that it's gotten to it and being the veteran that he is, there was a lot of talk with Carson Mintse last week, how well he played, would you think of Ronnie Stanley in this whole week?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's okay and that's that's what we have a right to expect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to compare him to Dan Moore, the Titans left left tackle because they're very similar in terms of the contract they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More was signed actually the same offseason standing was to a four-year
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was $82 million contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This makes like $20.5 per year and Roddy makes $20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Roddy was thought of as taking a hometown discount and 60 for three is better than $82 for four in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might have more flexibility with that contract depending on how structured.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Ravens did originally, but they used up that flexibility and some preparation they did between seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're now entirely committed to Stanley through 2027.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned with Carson Vincent, that might be it might be something they actually end up regretting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Stanley is giving them you know solid league average play at left tackle right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this game he allowed a one half a pressure plus another third of a pressure quarterback hits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He allowed two thirds plus one third.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was run out of one other
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a kind of a slow death means of surrendering steps towards the quarterback and exchange for keeping his feet positioned well relative to the past Russia, which means he can usually keep square with the guy by giving ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, he's been very effective in the law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very good at running away from that pressure as a really good way of accepting it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did a good job on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, they had,
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[SPEAKER_01]: four-hit formuses, two of those were losses of the line of scrimmage, but that's an important division of losses there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the fall start penalty we saw, both him and him rose in guarded move, even wondered if me was the center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The snap count was not right or something, but neither card moves, so probably it would have been all four, and then it would have been clear that it was the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was interesting because post game and that was my mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did mention it's the only didn't, but it was weird post game venga took blame for took blame for the panel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The end was kind of like all year that that was on me, sort of get the snap, but it was interesting, stick with Stanley real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did want to ask you and you touched on it a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I've been sitting coming off of last weekend's Dallas with how he played and I know that there needs to be more of a runway before, you know, people are fully comfortable, but like do you do you see that as a realistic possibility that after next year, he is the guy left tackle for the frame of scene after next year this year on next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in in 27 that Vincent will be or in 28 27.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I think it's a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see Stanley playing his last year as a backup and the Ravens or being forced to the bench frankly at some point during the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he'll have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: take a new hat in terms of how he carries himself and what he does, I think if Stanley is headed to the bench, it's probably because injuries have finally to railed him to a point where he just, he can't function anymore, and the league is not going to be too excited about making it happen for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson Vincent looks like the next left accolades exactly on track and then some for what I would hope at this point he's in seems to have a really good relationship to this one point late in the game where Stanley actually came in and he and he to back into play but look like he'd been told maybe not to it was a I think it was on the ravens last
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[SPEAKER_01]: might have been on the Raven's last play after a timeout or something was called, and Stanley came back into the game and Vincent gave him a big hug and then he ran off himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Vincent actually came in and was in for the last two kneel snaps at the end of the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you seem to have a good relationship, I think that makes it easier for Stanley
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the waning days of his career, to be able to be a mentor and be a teacher, and maybe get an idea if he wants to be an offensive line coach someday, if that's something he wants to pursue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even if he just wants to, you know, do a little bit of on the fly work there, I would like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As C for standing by the game, I promise you're comparison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with Dan Moore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Dan Moore, anyway, make it the same money and basically he's been a decent pass blocker, but that's about all he's been in his time both Steelers and now with the Titans, and he got used like a sock puppet by my green in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My green beat him right on the first play, he beat him left the next time he got a good pass rush, and then he pulled rushed him on a
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[SPEAKER_01]: see Mike put out a performance like that was really great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the really good first indications you had of Mike Green, the past rush player, past rush plan player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try to say that fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's looked really great in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, see for Stanley for the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's encouraging, and moving to inside a little bit, a guy that was paid, you know, $10 million a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the big moves in the offseason, John Simpson's dealt with issues with penalties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It dealt with a lot of different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have you thought about John Simpson?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we talked about before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about John Simpson?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it tightens this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no flags in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had three full starts in the last weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that's a big no-no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People know my stance on flags that listen to the show, that they're individual and they're very serious in terms of what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times, they're exactly what causes drive to be stalled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in any case, you're feeding variants to the defense and defense that's exactly what they seek.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to have,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, high bar build results that will allow them to get off the field, whether that means turnovers, penalty sacks, the place they're looking for, or occasionally giving up a big play in search of those things is okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, this was a game where we're since it didn't have those kind of big mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did allow 1.5 pressures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He allowed a third of a sack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a lot of penetration probably most seriously at nine missed blocks in this game, which is unfortunate, but when you look at them, Simpson was climbing the level two a lot against the even front that they present it, so the Titans are a four man front team play three off ball linebackers, which means he got a number of opportunities to climb in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And only one of his blocking losses was actually at the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I look at that, and I'm trying to make up his adjustment in particular, a very favorable amount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a lot of Franklin Myers and a fair amount of Simmons as well, who was around a little bit on the line, but he could certainly play either at the nose or a three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was very positive from this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only one of three on polls, Ravens had a terrible polling game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something like two of six or two of seven on polls and had five highlights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Five highlights is a lie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's about as many as you see in a season from any linemen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In his case, they were all combination blocks, which is the typical way that a guard will pick up a highlight my system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That means usually he helped on the guy at the line of scrimmage to get him set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for the player next to him, which in his case is almost always the center, and then move to level two and made an effective block where he squared up on the guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give him a level two block, but I won't give him the highlight if he goes to level two and he makes contact with some of you, but he didn't really square up on him anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Simpson, a really good game from that perspective, got the biggest adjustment of any offensive lineman, which still left him with a C overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a bad game, by the way, we'd be doing cartwheels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If John Simpson could give us a C for the whole year, I think honestly, we were very happy with Ronnie Stanley giving us a C for the whole year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Simpson, I absolutely thought improved this week, but somebody who, and you mentioned the matchup with Jeffrey Simmons, someone who also had their hands full with Jeffrey Simmons, and is very quickly becoming a fan favorite, but I think from the first time where you spoke about wanting to not let his quarterback get touched, is Venga Yuanay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of Venga and his first career start at Center in the National Football League?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He played his best game so far with the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He allowed one half a pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is, yes, it was a pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an event that I count as a pressure, but it's actually Jeffrey Simmons, the play where he elevated to make the past offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's charges a pressure to the two linemen that were on him at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of unfortunate that they were not able to get the gut punch in or the other things to keep him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from elevating on that play, but he got up at the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the half pressure that he allowed in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had five misblocks, three of those were at the line of scrimmage, so it wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was darn good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Five level two blocks, two pancakes, two highlight combinations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of his work was against, it was not against Simmons directly, but he had a variety of defensive tackles who were in there and the tights did some stunning
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[SPEAKER_01]: picking that up that was effective, but you want to earn his first A in the National Football League.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's snuck in at the very bottom of the range, but still outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And looking at you wanting from this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to hear what you have to think about this too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a physical makeup and everything looks perfect for center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the velocity he puts on the snap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he could be one of the best centers in the league if he stays there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I was going to ask the follow-up of what do you think it's a upper-up possibility and it might be something that the Ravens situations they got themselves put in that ends up working out and benefiting them because I think finding a quality guard is a much more simple than finding a center that can project to be what Yawani could be at center if this does become a normal thing and he does get more comfortable with snaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's many guys, at least in the past few years, first round offensive linemen, it would be able to move from guard to center in just their fifth start and put up the performance that he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, really good to see for the young man, with his hands full, and I know you had Jonah Shafer on yesterday, he put up a pretty good clip of the 101s that he had with Jeffrey Simmons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want it just looks like he belongs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a real, real dude and it's really, really encouraging to see when you draft an interior offensive line and the first round you hope that that is the result you get right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be a learning process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There will be weeks where he's still figuring things out, but I really like what I've seen from so far to say to Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the argument would be the reason why he'd want him to stay at guard is that guard is really a more valuable position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the more expensive position in terms of buying, you know, buying talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Tyler Linda Bob signing completely changes that world because obviously there's some.
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[SPEAKER_01]: depressed component of the market that kept center salaries down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He beats that's a new record by 50%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean that, you know, the third and fourth and fifth and sixth best centers in the league when they sign now are going to end up getting, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% of Tyler Lindemann money or still they're going to be capped it around 20 million say I Really I don't really have a sense for that yet, but I do think the center market will move some I don't think it will catch up to guard which if you're really looking to retain Venga long term and he wants the money that that you know He certainly
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[SPEAKER_01]: We certainly hope he deserves when after his third season, I would hope that you really have to keep him at guard to make it be an economical choice for the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that would be the concern and why I'd probably move him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there will be other people that will come in at center and there will be other times when the Ravens need a center instead of a guard and having you want to as a versatile player at that point would be very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right guard's very funny because I don't know that a lot of teams deal with the fan base pushing for two different guys are arguing for two different guys to back up offensive line and all the time and they're so familiar with these guys because of the offensive line play from the ravens in past but andreborgs gets to start knowing when out with the injury but would you think of or he's before going down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tough game for four he's twenty eight saffes four misses two of those at the line of scrimmage one penetration one point five pressures uh... that works out to be a sixty one after adjustment which is point o six short of the passing grade needed to to get a d minus he needed sixty seven he was at sixty one since an f for Andrew um...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not an easy, you know, obviously opponent opposite him, but there's no amount of adjustment that I can give him this within the bounds that I allow that to be, that would, you know, make it be a, you know, a reasonable game for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an important backup for the team, and I'm saying this in the past tense, because I think the likelihood is not zero probability and revoy is played as last game as a Raven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this definitely, I'd even higher probability that he's done for the Ravens this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to underscore the fact that they're back up into your alignment are really important in terms of having guys who can who can play at or above the replacement level, above the replacement level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And before he's an above the replacement level guy, he's not the bottom of the bottom end of the national football aches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a well below average left guard or right guard in this case, but he was a guy who could still help you on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: on your active game day roster, and that option is now gone, and the ribbons have to go to the street, and they have to find somebody who's not going to be as good, and that's just the truth of the matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've already got Kyle Hurgel on the team who probably is not as good as Andrew Voorhees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He certainly wasn't starting ahead of him in this game, and then they're going to have to get somebody else, because they don't have eight bodies right now on the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And along with all that, it's also a guy that has not started in the AFC North where, you know, it's a physical, you know, these defensive lines in the AFC North are only getting better year by year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Harman's banged up a little bit, Mason Graham's banged up, but by the time that they've even seen them, at least the second game for the Browns, and maybe both the other games, both those dudes will be back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is a little scary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Bengals, you know, are no slouches now in terms of after picking up Dexter Lawrence and what they present.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is a division of behemoth interior defenders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Ravens went into this season a little bit short, no matter how they rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic here in terms of who they had to face those fronts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I hear the grade?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have for Voorhees, six point short of passing grade there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, another guy that I talked about just a second ago with the way fans talked about someone two coaching staffs have come in and been with Emory Jones and he hasn't been the week one starter, the guy right away and everybody wants a day two pick to play right away and when they drafted him, you know, he had to deal with injury last year, but was able to go down the stretch of people were pushing for him every single week, heading into this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: dealing with some injuries, there was question, well, where is a spot for him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of some of something opens up, but he's still getting snaps, or he goes down Emery Jones steps, and what did you think about him stepping up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, first of all, in this game, he, I think that midter got it correct to say that he played better as the game went along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually had almost all his trouble with pressure on the very first drive, which was at the end of the first half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He surrendered two thirds of a sack and then also a half a pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those first five plays that put him in a minus two point hole there right after five place that's minus two out of five, which is, which is exceptionally good and then the rest of second half I'm not saying he was good, but he played it about a sea level the rest of the game in the second half by the end of that half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing some things on the field that showed he was really enjoying what he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he brings that physicality to the table over the next weeks because he's going to have this role now for a while, but he was doing some Hulk flexes after one big combination block he had where he finished where he well in in level two and put the guy on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of other more specific things I can tell you, he had, let's see, he missed seven blocks
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the 19 out of 26 wasn't really good in the second half, but he died five level two blocks, three pancakes, two highlights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to see the number I want to see was how many of his all five of his, no, five of his seven misblocks were losses at the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't paint that into something good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he still was deserved a pretty good adjustment for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In his case, he got up to 0.61 also, which is exactly the same good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: War he's had, and it's just six points short of family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I'll have passing, so he got an F for the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, where War he's season is, you know, appears to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: in grave jeopardy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jones, I think, you can come out of this game and say, yeah, maybe this guy can help us down the stretch, because he looks like a physical player any played better in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: super encouraging to say the least and to your point about the uh showing some emotion that's been it like that was a big thing when they drafted him um i know everybody was posting the Zion young clip before the Missouri over time game but there is a clip of Emory Jones before an LSU game um two years ago, him just staring right through the opposing guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember I remember I was Florida who was against but staring right through guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just looks mean and
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[SPEAKER_00]: get this opinion based off of what they want to see because they see a guy looking angry or look mean or look, but they also need to look the part when they're out there on the field and from one sounds like from your film review, it did at least get a little bit better as the end of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It did, and he's got an opportunity now because he plays next to a very physical player obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of that will he'll pick up by Osmosis even if it's not completely natural to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two of them,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is incumbent upon them to impose that physicality in a game against Atlanta where the two of them will be on a number of combination blocks whenever they have a power run situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other opportunities too where they might get an opportunity to with an unbalanced player, but when you have a combination block on a player that's two guys double-teaming at the line of screenage with one, then set the climb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's really important is the guy is released climb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the key time is when the player is off balance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just sometimes in the name of time, the climber will release when he thinks the player has the opportunity to hold that match up square.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the ideal time is when he's got the player clearly on one foot and he could feel that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: could feel that when he leaves, and then the trailing player should finish that guy in no one certain terms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be able to push him five yards, have him hopping kind of in an uncomfortable way to regain his feet, and that eventually put him on the ground and hopefully fall on top of him as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That physicality with two guys sitting next to each other,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the opportunity to get some combination blocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't run a lot of power by the way, this game about seven times, but when you do have the opportunity, run it, get that double team opportunity made, and put that guy on the ground, and make him be tentative in his next engagement with the two of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and these are two guys, as you mentioned, two physical, two guys, but they're two young guys as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we'll be interesting to see their first start together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: F, unfortunately, get the same greatest more he's for the game and it's largely due to that first series being very bad with a mar at the end of the half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now shifting to one of the often to lime and that we've seen, I would say take a step forward from last year because again, it was really good work a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe step back last season and so far, I think it's been pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roger Rosengarten, would you think of the Raymond starting right tackle this week?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this was his worst game of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, his trend has been, it's gotten a little bit worse each week as I've scored it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't terrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He allowed one or third pressures, third of a quarterback, he had two thirds of a sack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: had five missed blocks, but only one of those was the loss of the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was happening was he was going to level two and finding no block or going to level two and whiffing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did have four blocks in level two, two pancakes, one of two unfolds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody had a good game on poles, like I said, and did not have a highlight in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, a C grade for him, I thought he did a decent job in terms of his past protection reps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy who is
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[SPEAKER_01]: probably been the Ravens most consistent lineman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's certainly the opportunity to prevent it to become their best lineman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's not a ton of competition, but Rosengarten is it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy who's kind of held things together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in terms of the future of this line, the Ravens have a big decision coming up because Rosengarten is in his third year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, because he's not a first round draft pick, they don't have the fifth year option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So at this the end of this year is going to be the, the time they really need to decide whether or not they're going to sign him long-term, and it's one of the big decisions coming out of 2026 still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that will, and that's, that's a really big one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think, I think you'd probably agree with now, with Carson Minson looking the pardon in that being a good development, developmental story for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be less talk about Roger potentially going over the left side and now I think it'll be certainly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was ever really a serious consideration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I've been saying on my show the past two years is there's no indication I've seen that Roger isn't going to his head at the left side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the good news about it is that he's really been he's committed to run blocking talk about that one time he's at the podium this summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might have been the only time we've talked to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's really actually, you know, walked the walk on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's delivered a bunch of pancakes, he's become a much better level, two blocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that at least that part of the game is, you know, as has really been good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a plus guy on the right side that is helped the Ravens there, not just a neutral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: think you're looking at probably paying him close to $20 million a year, which would make him one of the really big contracts on the team, but if believe me, if the Ravens don't want them at that price, a lot of other teams will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's going to be another one where the Ravens, you know, unfortunately probably have too much talent that can't sign everybody and they might lose somebody like Rosengarten after the 2027 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with you, and the
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[SPEAKER_00]: You already had the injuries dealt with its center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this week, it's not for the big injury and we talked about it there with Warhees and how that went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also like John Simpson is, he's a guy who's dealt with injuries for the first week of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, you were at with this team with the depth and is there going to be somebody outside or they going to host trials?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are things going to go where are you on that with the depth of this offensive line?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they don't have eight bodies currently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally not where you want to be at this point in the season, so they have to go out and they'll have to find suppliers that can help them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre James could be number eight when he's healthy and I think they signed him prospectively with the with the intention that he otherwise probably wouldn't go on at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He started for four years in Las Vegas, so it's not any any wasn't terrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that combination is not the kind of guy who's normally on the street at the even at this time of year in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other guy they have is Chuma Adoga, who they might bring up from the practice squad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's guard tackle, versatility, he's playing a little bit more guard in recent years, he's really more of a tackle, but he could be a guy that they, you know, they have on as the eighth guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The NFL, for those of you who don't know, the NFL, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: allows you to dress 48, but the 48th player is only granted to you if you carry eight offensive linemen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a free ride.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to kit yet that the rostered players to make that 48th player available or you have to use an elevation on a weekly basis to bring that guy up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they might start within elevation for a player like a doga, but I do expect there to be more tryouts, more phone calls, to potentially even for a trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those are on the table right now to solve the offensive line issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a self situation to be in and I know injuries played a big part in this, but in terms of quality depth outside of James, I think this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a while, this is like the most empty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been for for me with this Raven's team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know injuries have played a role in that, but I felt like they've always had that next up guy right now and just kind of with where things are out and how the guys are going to have to tell him I don't know if they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last time it was this bad was 21 when they had the huge problems at Tackle and Alejandro van Wavel went over there and he was terrible and yet you look at him and he's like you can't even afford to lose Villain of Wavel because he's the next drop off is even more dire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll have to take a break now and we'll be back to talk about the skill position players in just a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back with Ben Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Ken McCusik.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would talk in football here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first half is show a little bit about Derek Henry, but let's talk about the other skill position players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this part, Ben, I was like the alternate players who will do a little snake draft through our opinions on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But who'd you like to talk about first?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll start with the prime of my best player, the best player that we've seen outside of Lamar Jackson this year, and it's Zay Flowers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know we had two catches for a negative in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the first half is another week where he has a hundred plus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I thought that it's good when you see guys develop in front of your eyes and you see him get better and from his rookie year, he's been really, really explosive and doing things now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's more north.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Tim running forward more now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's him being protective with the football after the catch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's him just creating big time plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really encouraging to see what he's done so far this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's living up to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be quite honest with you, like, I'm interested to see how things go this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause last week,
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[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't tell you the last time the Ravens have seen guys go for 100 plus receiving yards in the first half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is twice he's done it in the first four weeks of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't week one, everybody's like, wow, he goes down with the injury while he still had a career high yardage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You felt the lack of impact when he was out against the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Comes right back last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it on the final play the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it throughout the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was when I don't know that he was 100% right back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then here against Tennessee,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Lamor has to move out of the pocket and extend a play, it's pretty typical days going to be running with five yards of spare and and it's it's really, really incredible to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been a long time since somebody's had a hundred yards in the first half regular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Theatory Smith in his first game in 2011 against the Rams went off for three touchdowns on his first three catches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it might be a game like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably been games since I just don't really remember them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of flowers, there's two things that I've really seen that have been enormous points of growth for this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: assume that that thing would happen in the fourth year for a player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Normally, you know, somebody figured out before then, if fire certainly has put up good numbers in his career, is that not been any question about that, but his hands have always been mildly suspect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His hands are kind of small, being a smaller guy, and he hasn't held on well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the extension for the ball was fantastic in this game and really showed a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's made a lot of other good
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[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been all perfection, but I think he's improved that element of game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other part of his game dramatically improved his field vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after the catch, he's getting his head turned around, hopefully not too early to create a drop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting his head turned around, and he's got a path figured out, and we saw on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: The big play was the Cowboys, the Saints, it wasn't the Saints because he didn't play that game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was the Cowboys in week one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He made a snake through about five guys and then got all the way to about the four yard line before he got stopped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those plays, I mean, they're not easy to make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen Mark East Brown who is faster than Zay Flowers really struggle with, you know, making plays happen after the catch like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think a Barquise Brown is being a guy who pretty much wanted to fall down as soon as he caught the football most of the time Yes, they got a mountain and that's something that I expected a little bit more was a after dealing with the injury Maybe maybe it is somewhere goes down but we we've seen him just continue eating continue doing what he's done and it's just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it earlier, I know I talked to him just a second ago, but if he is out of the game, even with Lamar Jackson playing, it is a clear, big time impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same thing with Lamar Jackson, we saw in the second half of the interest and you see how this week goes, I'm not asking for 100 plus yards in the first half, I don't think that's realistic with Tyler Huntley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can they get say not to the impact that they've had with Lamar Jackson, but how can they get more of
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[SPEAKER_00]: six for 70 compared to two for negative two, which we saw on the second half of the rating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the real problem is, it was one of the ample time and space opportunities to for Huntley that went for that negative yardage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can move on and talk about another player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of about Elijah Serrat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't had chance to talk about him really because he hasn't been active for any game sweetie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think 31 snaps, it was over 30.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I might have been 23.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, had a good number of snaps in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: had two targets that I think Lamar Jackson was probably saying was only one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first one he caught took out of bounds on the left side if I recall correctly 13 yard gain or thereabouts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second one looked like there were two kind of overlapping routes slightly different depth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ball might have been intended for flowers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like Lamar was just circulating after the play indicating and the announcers are kind of picking up on the notion that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps that ball was intended for flowers and not him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame them at all for that by the way if that if that that's poor play design and it's all also As an underneath receiver He needs to make sure he tries to get his hand on that ball tries to make the catch It's very dangerous obviously if that if if he just lets that ball thinking there's somebody behind him because the guy behind him like a defensive player
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I am more much more concerned about is the two penalties and they really cost the Ravens in this game and he needs to play more disciplined football given that he's having a hard time getting on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think there's a chance particularly with Huntley that he could be a guy who would be one of the unexpected stars in a game against Atlanta and you know the Ravens
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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, they may even take a step back and just say, okay, we're already without Lamar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they're going to be without tree Hendrix in this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the answer on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they may even say, let's sit Zay as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they do that, then it's going to be all on a player like, it's going to be a great opportunity for Strat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably won't be a win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would be a great opportunity for Strat to show these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that to your point of up the penalties, like this is not something you can do when you got a prime opportunity with the other guy drafted right around you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going now with injury and you can go away lane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by all accounts, it looks like you can go away and it's getting closer and closer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll probably play it smart and slow with the younger receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want him to re-endre it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want him to be 100% back before our 100% good before he's back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a guy that was stealing the show every training camp and during preseason and doing a lot of things well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to position himself in a spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like Adam Randall or Konates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different situation here where
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacobi Lane is a different skill set than the Ravens Wider receiver really has and he's going to come in and command stabs he's going to be on the field so that has to take advantage of the opportunities and picking up just one just being a complete meaningless head scratching penalty for a guy that played it in the end and there was a lot of talk just about how polished he is and how smart and receiver he is and again I think it's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: him pressing a little bit and being a little tight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's early in his NFL career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to figure some things out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But these are not the spots where you can afford to do that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was encouraging to see a catch a pass 13 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you want to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also that's an opportunity where if you show that you can block your rear end off, maybe they do find ways to get you more snaps on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're out there holding, they're going to keep you off the field regardless of
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course Walker picks up one as well, that's a look very good, it's just nutty on the other side and and I'll go right in we'll get right into Walker here now just with like one catch 19 yards and I think that's where things are going to be at this is not a short of receiver we're going to see big gains when he gets the football and that's most of what we see and so far, but I'll get right to the penalties because he talked about it, I mean just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the head scratching things where like you want to pull your hair out it's you have nothing to do with the play there there's no reason for you to become anywhere close to that and that's where it's like You've been the league for how long now you've had you've been a part of all fences where they're run first you've blocked for the more you've blocked for Derek Henry you've done these things you know that they're not coming to your side I just When I saw it in real time I'm like I mean that you could sad for stuff like that was just completely head scratch I couldn't believe
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, frustrating to be sure, and the Walker feels a very important role on this team, because everybody's kind of got their preferred route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, not like Walker can do just verticals, because he has to have something to compliment that in order to get away at the top of the stem from that quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so really nice to see him, you know, have a little 19 yard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I think it was an income route if I remember the play correctly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he needs some other stop routes, some of the comeback routes to complement what he does well deep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he spent a lot of this off season, working on exactly that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the deep ball is also have to have to be on target for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So far, he's been kind of a little bit betrayed by his quarterback in terms of the deep ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully that, you know, we get back to a better position on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got just two catches this year for the 66 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're on his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won nine and four homework touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to that, there was so, there's so much value in those PIs that he's able to pick up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about it earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know where we're talking about this past game, but moving forward, heading into this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is an opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about them taking a shot early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't come away with a catch, pick up a PIs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are just as valuable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't see it in the statute, but picking up passenger appearances,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a guy that we've seen do it not many guys on this Ravens team so far this year have we know is a pretty crafty with it, but outside of zeds it's not much I think Tesla Walker has the ability not only to beat you over the top, but maybe there's a little bit more comfort ability with Stu Pontley as he he did had second team snaps with him, but maybe drawing a penalty or two to to really flip the field for this all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and with he certainly the guy you could do it all you get a step ahead of defenders defenders getting incredibly Grabby, but the other thing they don't do is find the football in the air when they don't find the football in the air They run right through you when you stop to catch it so or the balls laid out there properly Catch it anyway when when you're still a step at a half in front of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whoa for either of those results
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk a little bit of our shot, Bateman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he actually fits Huntley's game better than the other receivers because he's a top of STEM winner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also got great secondary wiggle as well, but his top of STEM.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the best route runner on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy who certainly has the opportunity to get open for some quick, clean looks that they're going to build for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bateman is having quietly an outstanding efficiency season for
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[SPEAKER_01]: four weeks, he's averaging 11 1.5 yards of target.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe if not that is close, maybe 11.4.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a Raven's record if it were to hold up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He already holds the Raven's record for a wide receiver at 10.5.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's doing well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Ravens do not need Rashad Bateman to be a guy who gets
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[SPEAKER_01]: 90 targets or 100 targets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can be perfectly fine having having Rashad Papian gets 75 targets if they're very high efficiency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so far that's kind of what it looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of that's been Lamar's playing great, but he's the one guy who actually slipped open with Huntley in the game for an 18-yard play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was actually even under pressure as well that that was done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Baton is a guy I think in this game could be an ex-factor that all of a sudden he gets you know six targets or more in this game just because he's a good fit for hotline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it benefits him the way that Snoop is willing to spread the football out a little bit and I think it might be more
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[SPEAKER_00]: going to other guys, I talked about Andrews earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Zay, we saw it wasn't really clicking, and I know he's one to Zay before in the past, but this isn't Snoop steps in and Zay gets 15 targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this could be spreading the football around a little bit to certain guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rashad Bateman and Lamar Jackson, as long as they've played together, it's never felt like that connection has hit the way that people have begged for, hit the way people have asked for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has seen contract extensions to where you'd think already at some point, it's going to click, but it hasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The best place, uh, Snoop took over was that 28-yard reception from Bateman there, um, and that was Bateman and across middle of the field was able to pick up some yak there and, uh, and I think you could do that, um, as you mentioned, it's the best route runner they have and every single training camp it shows, um, they need
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[SPEAKER_00]: it to show a little bit more on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it's totally his fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just bad situation for both sides, both quarterback him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think this is a week against Atlanta where they need him to show up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you where it's, they don't need this magnificent season from him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They need him to play to what he's being paid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was a friendly contract for them with where they were able to sign him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get him the football a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can he pop in the ends on a little bit more is there a shock where you got two guys going all out to stop say, baiting the floats in the back of the end zone is something like that open up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are the things that you look for with bait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like 2024 was a magnificent year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at stats, it really, the nine touchdowns are great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But outside of that, it's like, it was a fine year for winters, silver, but that's all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even, I don't even know that this year with this Ravensteam, they're even asking for that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're muted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to do, we'll get the 24 season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would be doing cartwheels, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a fantastic season by any receiver standards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's almost no, there's almost no receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a few really high volume guys that would not be happy with that season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Pook it a cooler, somebody might need to be happy with that season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in generally speaking, anybody would be happy with a season like that where they have 10 and a half yards per target and that kind of touchdown percentage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good jump over the mail bag right now to a few of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a fairly big stack of questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please send your questions again to filmstudymailbagagmail.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get them sent to the proper show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually did a show that we put out last night that is on some surplus mail bag questions we had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those largely came from the offensive folder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll go through the rest of these as quickly as I can here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate your indulgence with this, but try and give you first chance to answer this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first is from Brett Hammons, appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is on Snoop in Planiano, says a couple things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, first of all, that with the high probability of Lamar being out Sunday, wanted to hear thoughts on designing a game plan for Snoop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this obviously extensively on these episodes, but teams tend to stack the box versus Snoop, but against Green Bay last year, they were able to get Henry going, what could Doyle do to keep Atlanta's defense on us on Sunday?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going back to the first thing we said, don't be afraid to take the shot and it's got to be early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to open things up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think and we talk about it twice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to take multiple shots in the first half to keep Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: honest, but at the same time, keep it simple, keep it short for Snoop, let him get the football out quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about rollouts, which would be really, really important on some of these throws, but let him get the ball out quick, let him set up second and six, third and two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of those more fair downs versus him taking a sack and it being second and 15.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, with Snoop, those seconds and 15s feel like second and 30 with Lamar Jackson, let them play out of the sticks, move the football quickly and make plays that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've become more hyperbolic, it was second and 20 in the first episode, but that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have just seen the emotion there, but the other point he makes is an interesting one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says on a related note, Fagnano might be the higher variance back up and the better QB if the game turns into a shootout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the Ravens get down to scores, would you turn to it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on how the offense goes, I think if the offense is fine, if Atlanta's just thrashing the Raven's defense, I don't know that Finyana was built right now, this early in his career to take over in a spot like that where, hey Joe, we need to throw us back into this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in a week of preparation for Tyler Huntley if that's how they go about things because we've talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Declan Doyle is going to be adjusting with Tyler Huntley and the play going for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a completely different look if you go Joe Finyano.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think of course there is going to be the possibility because you always have a chance of snoop getting hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think when you are preparing for snoop Huntley to be the quarterback, it would
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would take a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would take a big difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're getting blown out and you mentioned a chance that potentially they do sit there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If some were like that to happen, what they looked at this is a developmental gain for some guys, then I think we could see Joe Feniana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with the situation how it is now, as long as it's close relatively, I don't think he could put him in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm in the same spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it becomes more of an issue after say two weeks of new losses, though the offense is sputtering badly, that the Ravens would make the Cooper Rush Esk move to change to your third string quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, then, I think it's probably unlikely, but the Ravens might have an ulterior motive to do it too if they want to trade Vanillano or just see what they have for
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the, in the, in the, in the chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he actually could be for 2027 as the backup quarterback, but it could be 2028 as a replacement for Lamar even, although I don't think that's the setting your sights very high if Lamar were to, you know, somehow decided he doesn't want to play in Baltimore anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's looking real far ahead, but get to your point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, this team we talked about doing things a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They do like to get some value and getting a guy like Finyana who started as a trial guy being able to get a pickback for him because he showed well in Atlanta with you know that the weather conditions are going to be just fine because you're going to dome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that the condition will be good there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's continue Brad McGowan has a question watching Sunday's games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the Ravens ran a large amount of inside power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the zone we were promised?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it actually hard to run zone when there's shuffling so many linemen due to injury?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did run primarily zone in this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I looked at it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was up to 17 zone and seven power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have some guys now on the interior offensive line that the power kind of makes sense for and they have Derek Henry who probably is a little bit better in zone, but obviously it's fairly agnostic to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in terms of about it can run now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's your feeling on this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a strong feeling that they're running too much zone or power?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think it is a little bit more difficult for Declan Doyle with a lot of different factors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this week might be more of a fair read where you have again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to continue for these questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to answer this as Lamar is out this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just make it a little bit more simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this week, a full week of preparation with a different quarterback setting up a full, a full week of Emery Jones as you're starting right guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those physical guys, could we see a different approach that potentially?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to this point, I really don't have an issue with how they've done things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got another interesting question here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is from no less squared nine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The subject is gallery and the wide receiver rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I keep going back to the wave and to what I've received for Xavier Gillery?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I missing here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Xavier?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I missing here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Through four games, Walker Moore, Western, Sarata, combined for nine catches, 171 yards, 17 targets, and 100 of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: yards came on two plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sarat was also a healthy scratch week one, got zero offensive staffs week one, inactive week three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the question he's asking is, so why not use one of Xavier's elevations in a week like this to see if he can get them some catches, particularly with Snoop in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, you just had a couple holding flags, wouldn't he be a better option as a blocker?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gillry is definitely a very a larger physical receiver who fits the mold the Raven's tent alike by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really like the 510-511 guys who are distinctly or is specifically not slot receivers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll take one on your team or they got two in the case of Western and Zay right now, but they don't want a bunch of other guys who are under six feet tall who can't block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting question in Gillry versus Serat, based on what you
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is interesting and they've kept gillery around longer than maybe I would have expected, which tells you a little bit about what they think of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to see the most they can get out of Serrat, which Kobe laying out as they're trying to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they also want to see development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they want to see what Serrat can get them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did use a pick on Elijah Serrat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was some hype around him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he was able to do it in the end, I think the performance, and again, college performance doesn't mean anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the pros, but I think the performance that he put on in Indiana, they would like to see if they can draw some of that to this offense, and they can implement that a little bit versus having a guy where they know that nobody's claiming Xavier Gillaria, I don't Xavier Gillaria, and I don't know that he's going to be able to give you what Sarat can in terms of of what the make out is, and the make out has to be Sarat getting snaps at this point is career to continue to
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[SPEAKER_01]: So both of these guys, I'm going to take the counterpoint here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of these guys have the same amount of time with a team remaining, you know, four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, Hillary has less, he has three and a half because his fourth years in RFA year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we always look at that as Vosso and I do when we're talking about the Friday morning GM show about who's, who has a lot of real value.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Gillery is a physical specimen, and you know, I really love the fact that they kept a Gillery over what they've done the last couple of years, which keep you around a lot of veteran guys, Keith Kirkwood and Niller and it's another guy I always forget, but they've had a number of guys around who are just veteran-wide receivers who they're stepping in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they use a veteran spot on this practice squad, and I don't think they're any better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, Gillery gives you more physicality, certainly a better preseason player,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are real questions about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the potential future for Gilly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly when he's going to get his chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it must be frustrating to him to see these games go off and see problems happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I can assure you is they're not going to sit as walker for Gilly, no way, no how.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just brings something as very different, special to this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want a possession receiver, it would really be Serrat, who could lose playing time to a player like Gilly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe you do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing also, working against Hillary, which is kind of unfortunate, is that the Ravens don't have an infinite number of elevations and coming off a week like this, they're gonna need to use elevations and they'll have to use them, I think primarily on the offensive line, they may also need another one at corner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and to that, I don't know that you want to kind of handcuff them,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unfair to Hillary, but handcuff them with when you did use a an early day free pick on a guy in Serrat versus having to use a call up for a guy because your early day free pick picked up kind of head scratching penalties in the game, but would just kind of be a bad looking general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on Daniel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ivan Off says, with all the injuries in the offensive line and the long-term act of look at left tackle, is it worth considering a move to guard for Ronnie Stanley?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson Vincent looks serviceable against Dallas and is the long-term plan at left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ronnie Stanley can still play at an average level, but as long as the step in his lingering toe injury, a move to guard might help him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it's a simple for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that Carson Vincent
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's projecting to be a guy that we're going to see seeing start it left tackle in the near future and Baltimore I think it's a really really good developmental story but I don't think that's with Ronnie Stanley moving inside and I just don't think that's where he'll go or how things will work for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd be better when you look at depth to have Ronnie Stanley if however things go next year to have Ronnie Stanley's a depth guy if he was still in your roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a guy that could fill in should car Simmons and deal with injury or guy that is fresh because he hasn't been for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to play every week and we've seen them give him weeks off and snaps off and all those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that sliding him inside is the easy turn for a guy who it all is years in the NFL has played a play tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have, the two options will stand the next year would be like a post June one cut or a, you know, expensive backup left tack, I kind of like expensive back up left tackle, assuming he doesn't, you know, continue to win the job away from Vincent because that could happen Vincent, you know, might not be up to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is, Stanley's a finesse player, Vincent also is built like a finesse player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those games, he's building more size on that frame, but he's a guy who says great feet, and you don't waste great feet by putting it guard and Stanley has always been a guy who's been less outright physical than having a being a finesse and great feet guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them are left tackle only, I guess is what I've dealt with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we get Dave Stocker, nice recap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I seem to recall a season to go to the Ravencv running what I will call an option play of source.
01:03:47.050 --> 01:03:55.695
[SPEAKER_01]: Lamar takes a snap and shotgun, moves as if it's a drop-back pass, but more of an effort to make the pass rushes as well as a coverage, make an early commitment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then almost as if I design, he rolled out to one side of the others if he's always planned to bootleg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as he rolled, he'd always be looking for downfield for receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed to be he'd make an awful lot of successfully yardage depending on whether defenders drop more to defend the pass or came up from the secondary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now some of this is Lamar based.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure it has the great relevance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's turn the question on it side a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we appreciate your question Dave, I really appreciate your listing as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like the ravens have been leaving a lot of opportunity on the field with the marchax and so part of the offensive here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but to the the point or the question here, I do think that there's a play that I've always said they've had their back pocket that we saw great Roman plot of his back pocket occasionally we saw monk and do occasionally and it feels like they save it a lot and it's the more role now to the right like he's going to run the offensive line shifting that way and I don't know where someone pops down the field because it was it was sell out to stop the run and I do think they can.
01:05:01.388 --> 01:05:02.889
[SPEAKER_00]: Potentially do that with the hot land.
01:05:02.909 --> 01:05:03.690
[SPEAKER_00]: This would be a week.
01:05:03.730 --> 01:05:07.453
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what's early in the year, but this would be a week where your might be able to get catch somebody off guard.
01:05:07.894 --> 01:05:15.280
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's got to be that at that point, Stu has six or seven carries and he's hurting the Falcons with his legs and they have to go all out to stop it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think they like to keep down their back pocket till it gets a little bit colder till the passing offense might be a little bit more stagnant down the stretch and a play where they need it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, good point, where I remember that playing used is more often nearer the goal line where they could maintain that pocket around him.
01:05:32.457 --> 01:05:37.558
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on to Craig Taneo had an interesting note about it, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's moved out of Florida and he's in Miami and he's next door neighbor is Pernel McPhee now.
01:05:43.940 --> 01:05:54.056
[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, you want to send a picture of us still beginning, Craig has been on the show before I appreciate you Craig said, can you talk about the strategies that the Ravens can do on third and short to improve their performance.
01:05:54.536 --> 01:05:58.002
[SPEAKER_01]: We're you starting God said words be amazing in this areas, but does it seem.
01:05:59.043 --> 01:06:04.169
[SPEAKER_01]: but it does not seem like the 2016 or the teams in the last two years have had that same love or performance is this true.
01:06:04.449 --> 01:06:14.240
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to point you Craig to the Monday show on Henry's short yard of success with the very unusual outcome that Henry had been more successful when he was at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tennessee in that situation, and it's totally unexpected, but the Craig appreciate the question, and you and Pernel McPhee have some fun down there in terms of your tailgating.
01:06:25.689 --> 01:06:28.451
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a very cool next door neighbor to have.
01:06:28.852 --> 01:06:32.595
[SPEAKER_01]: Try to think what sports people we had in our neighborhood, Mike Bordek lived right in our neighborhood here.
01:06:33.756 --> 01:06:36.938
[SPEAKER_01]: for a number of years, he actually bought two different houses in the area.
01:06:37.358 --> 01:06:39.500
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know that we've had too many other ball players in the area.
01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:48.687
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've known people who grew up in the Parkville area used to be a big area for the Oreos to live in the 60s and Boog Powell lived right on the same street with some people we knew there.
01:06:48.787 --> 01:06:53.130
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, lots of cool things.
01:06:53.543 --> 01:07:00.517
[SPEAKER_00]: in Cainzone was kind of a surprise, 11 Cainzone, which it's not far from the facility, but it's not right next to it, Nick Boyle lived here for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, which was pretty interesting, and it was, of course, when he played, but it was pretty interesting.
01:07:05.335 --> 01:07:12.923
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I, that's surprising because most of those players live right out in the Owing Spill's area and they share places in what not, okay, got one more.
01:07:12.964 --> 01:07:14.605
[SPEAKER_01]: This is from James O.
01:07:14.625 --> 01:07:18.029
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it's James Olauthland if I had to guess.
01:07:18.950 --> 01:07:24.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Despite their even's failures running the whole Sunday, one thing I haven't heard out of mainstream football media this week is criticism for their, their canary.
01:07:25.677 --> 01:07:26.818
[SPEAKER_01]: on short yardage plays.
01:07:26.858 --> 01:07:33.321
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why all the media because despite a great overall back and Baltimore feels like Henry on 3rd and 4th and short has been a low probability play force.
01:07:33.441 --> 01:07:34.582
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've got James.
01:07:34.622 --> 01:07:36.863
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to point you to Monday's episode.
01:07:37.823 --> 01:07:41.285
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Tanner Boyle came on and he had some great data on this.
01:07:41.765 --> 01:07:46.608
[SPEAKER_01]: He says his anecdotal impression is that Henry is too slow building up speed to be very effective on short yardage.
01:07:47.188 --> 01:07:54.893
[SPEAKER_01]: Money downs the defense crashing down hard and fast against the run doesn't give them the time He needs to accelerate and use his big body to good effect.
01:07:55.374 --> 01:08:03.159
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe this is why we've seen so many tackles for loss in these situations Is a straight hand off to Henry a bad play on fourth and short?
01:08:05.019 --> 01:08:06.159
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about it a little earlier.
01:08:06.179 --> 01:08:14.142
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think getting him closer to the line of scrimmage and not allowing that penetration, the push up front, kind of making him be a little bit quicker.
01:08:14.162 --> 01:08:14.942
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it didn't work.
01:08:15.382 --> 01:08:17.763
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand it didn't work in Dallas, but we talked about it.
01:08:17.783 --> 01:08:20.824
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that Henry made a mistake there.
01:08:21.344 --> 01:08:23.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you give him another shot at it, it would work.
01:08:23.405 --> 01:08:24.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll just get him closer to the line of scrimmage.
01:08:24.985 --> 01:08:28.787
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw last night, Atlanta doing half success doing it with these.
01:08:28.827 --> 01:08:30.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm different running back, completely different running back.
01:08:31.087 --> 01:08:32.928
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there would be some success
01:08:33.892 --> 01:08:37.635
[SPEAKER_01]: And it off-tackle is where Henry really thrives in general.
01:08:37.695 --> 01:08:46.542
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the pick as spot, and he gets the pick as spot off, and it gets a smaller man, and that can be really good if they don't get the penetration that they don't for.
01:08:46.902 --> 01:08:47.743
[SPEAKER_01]: Great set of questions.
01:08:47.863 --> 01:08:48.764
[SPEAKER_01]: Really appreciate you.
01:08:48.824 --> 01:08:50.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, Phil's study mailbag at gmail.com.
01:08:51.406 --> 01:08:53.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready with a 3, 2, 1 MVP?
01:08:53.367 --> 01:08:57.010
[SPEAKER_01]: He said there's not a whole lot of players here, but take us to your number three, guys.
01:08:57.312 --> 01:09:26.253
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my number three is going to be Mark Andrews and this might be just a game ball just given credit to a guy that found the end zone and this was somewhere where he had lots of success before and even in the down year coming off the down year was a slow start to the year, but in 2024, where he still finished with 11 touchdowns found the end zone a bunch and that's something that we've kind of been waiting for between him and a more jackson last year was certainly a down year, but once he signs the extension you're like, all right, they need some more performance hasn't totally didn't have it last year, but this year it's been
01:09:28.351 --> 01:09:29.172
[SPEAKER_00]: efficient.
01:09:29.192 --> 01:09:34.217
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been some shorter throws, but guys have had him draped in coverage and he's been able to come down with the football and he's able to find the end zone.
01:09:34.237 --> 01:09:36.920
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did want to give my third to Mark Andrews.
01:09:37.275 --> 01:09:49.218
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, fair enough, you know, I certainly want more from Mark and it's important that he deliver more right now, the loss of smite is a big deal that will stretch then what he can do and what the tight end room could do.
01:09:49.918 --> 01:09:59.701
[SPEAKER_01]: But also just he's one of the receivers who can actually deal with the with the ball out quick nature of Huntley's game, so it should be a big couple of weeks for him potentially.
01:10:00.101 --> 01:10:02.522
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with Rashad Bateman as my number three big.
01:10:03.002 --> 01:10:05.304
[SPEAKER_01]: Complations for 18 of 20 and 28 yards.
01:10:06.024 --> 01:10:08.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already talked about the really good efficiency years having.
01:10:08.566 --> 01:10:10.267
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I need to say more much more than that.
01:10:11.107 --> 01:10:12.428
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you.
01:10:12.789 --> 01:10:15.430
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it pretty clean with him there and to get number two.
01:10:16.627 --> 01:10:17.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Juan.
01:10:17.147 --> 01:10:19.669
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that we'll be, we'll be any different here.
01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:30.537
[SPEAKER_00]: But Venga, having this much bonus plate and this fourth game in the national football league, and I said it earlier, when you're drafted in the first round, you're expected to produce, but there's no one to be growing pains.
01:10:30.837 --> 01:10:42.545
[SPEAKER_00]: And not many of these guys have had to position positions, which usually see it after their first year, maybe a worky season, or maybe year two, or whatever, not after your third game, or really second and three quarters
01:10:44.086 --> 01:10:57.253
[SPEAKER_00]: three, whatever, whatever you want to call it, math wise, but him having to take the snap the football for the final two drives against Dallas and Brazil, and then taking over, it was good that he got a full week, but holding up against a front in Tennessee that's been really, really good.
01:10:57.293 --> 01:11:03.136
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons having some islands with him and doing your job and and holding up and looking good, looking the part.
01:11:04.537 --> 01:11:14.462
[SPEAKER_00]: It has created an interesting discussion, interesting conversation that I didn't know right away that we'd be having, but Maggie Iwane potentially being the center of the rest of the year in Baltimore is a good look.
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:16.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very, very possible.
01:11:16.561 --> 01:11:21.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Andre James would be the only competition right now, and that's only if he's really needed back at guard.
01:11:21.103 --> 01:11:27.747
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we, you know, if, if honestly, if it happens at every Jones, looks like he can play the part, I think that that you want to say.
01:11:27.767 --> 01:11:31.429
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to use also my number two guy, fantastic game in a lot of ways.
01:11:31.489 --> 01:11:37.472
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeffrey Simmons came into this game with a lot of pressures, and he was shut out other than one tipball at the line of scrimmage.
01:11:37.492 --> 01:11:40.714
[SPEAKER_01]: So very impressive job by the by the reared offensive line.
01:11:41.194 --> 01:11:41.415
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
01:11:42.588 --> 01:11:43.569
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, it's gonna be Zay.
01:11:43.789 --> 01:11:46.232
[SPEAKER_00]: Spoke about a mirror layer when we talked about skill position night.
01:11:47.067 --> 01:11:50.789
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so good to see him get better and better over the years.
01:11:50.809 --> 01:11:54.310
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this season, he looks like one of the most electric receivers.
01:11:54.350 --> 01:11:56.451
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been on display regularly.
01:11:56.471 --> 01:11:58.192
[SPEAKER_00]: I know in the second half, it was too for negative.
01:11:58.692 --> 01:11:59.413
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
01:11:59.573 --> 01:12:10.898
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about them kind of hand cuffing themselves and just trying to get that clock down to zero with them with the lead and a win with a week of preparation, with Huntley and Declan Doyle kind of preparing for something different.
01:12:10.998 --> 01:12:15.460
[SPEAKER_00]: I would expect safe flowers to have the opportunity to make a lot of plays after the catch, but this week,
01:12:16.340 --> 01:12:29.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Another first half of the hundred plus receiving arts twice, and his first four games of the season coming off of a year where the big discussion he gets paid top five wide receiver money is he a wide receiver one would a production shows he's a wide receiver one and it's pretty damn good to see.
01:12:29.727 --> 01:12:51.467
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired of that question, but I always reverse it on people when they when they say it is it will get name me every night wide receiver number one in the national football league give me give me your guys to fit that and first of all because they have to be so exclusionary with their definition to keep say out which is usually what they're trying to do with that they end up with like eight guys or nine guys and all national football league because you have to have a prototypical size you have to do this and that
01:12:51.727 --> 01:13:00.413
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can't be this guy and you can't have any other characteristics that are really common to say, you know, say is one of those effective, why does he use an National Football League?
01:13:00.433 --> 01:13:11.560
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a super power where we've talked about extensively in terms of if you be able to stick a foot in the ground at his size that is made in very effective, in particular playing with Lamar Jackson, the way Lamar Jackson likes to see a route, break a look.
01:13:11.781 --> 01:13:15.763
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, my number one guy, and we left Lamar off the list intentionally.
01:13:15.823 --> 01:13:18.145
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked Ben to produce a list like that.
01:13:19.370 --> 01:13:31.685
[SPEAKER_01]: been I got to say really appreciate this has been two hours and twenty minutes or so there's absolutely flown by a great talking football with you tell folks all about whatever projects you're working on and where they can hear you on the radio now.
01:13:32.208 --> 01:13:33.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys can hear me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times this guy's been on the field?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The previous week, what does that mean?
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