The Baker Everyone Trusted Was Hunting Women With an Airplane

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The dense and rugged Alaskan wilderness provided the perfect cover
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for a fierce and sadistic killer. He preyed on women,
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kidnapping them, raping them, torturing them.
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He hunted them like animals for his own twisted pleasure.
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In the 1970s and 80s, people went to Alaska looking
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for a fresh start to reinvent themselves or to disappear
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for a while. Some of those disappearances weren't by choice.
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I'm Jim Kallstrom, former head of the FBI's New York office.
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A serial killer's rampage was exposed when the bodies of
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young women began turning up in shallow graves that dotted
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the Alaskan wilderness. The killer was at home in the
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rugged terrain, but the hunt for him began 3,000 miles
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away where FBI profile has mapped the criminal's mind.
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She was a hopeful young model looking for her break.
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She accepted a job with a man who claimed to
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be a photographer, but turned out to be a merciless killer.
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She wasn't his first victim. Or his last. From the
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70s through the mid-80s, the wilderness of Alaska became a
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popular destination. As people flowed north to construct the Alaskan pipeline,
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the population boomed.
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On August 13th, 1982, two.
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Off-duty Anchorage police officers were hunting moose near the Kinnick
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River in a wilderness about 20 miles from Anchorage.
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We're not really holding out for us either. Yeah.
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We're not going to have it.
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As they made their way through the dense forest, they
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happened upon partially buried human remains.
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They left it undisturbed.
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The next day, crime scene technicians from the Alaska State
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Troopers arrived at the scene. Crimes out here fell under
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state jurisdiction. Besides clothing and an elastic bandage, Troopers found a.
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223 caliber shell casing in the shallow grave. Dental records
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identified the remains as 23-year-old Sherry Morrow, an exotic dancer
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reported missing a year earlier by her boyfriend.
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Troopers called him in to break the news.
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Her clothes matched the ones he reported her missing in,
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but her good luck charm The gold arrowhead pendant she
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never took.
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Off was gone.
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Morrow was probably murdered shortly after she disappeared, giving the
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killer more than a year to cover his tracks. Finding
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him would be next to impossible. In the year following
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the discovery of Sherry Morrow's body, more women began turning up.
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It's a sad truth that finding bodies in the Alaskan
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wilderness wasn't all that unusual. Two or three times a year,
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some novice hiker or hunter would get lost and succumb
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to the elements.
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But a growing number of bodies had a different story
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to tell.
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During new road construction on September 2nd, 1983, A cool
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unearthed human skeletal remains, not far from where Sherry Morrow's
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body had.
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Been found one year earlier.
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The bones had obviously been here for some time, yet
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until recently this area of the Kinnick River was so
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remote that it could.
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Only be accessed by boat or light plane.
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The remains were identified as 17-year-old Paula Goulding. an out-of-work
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secretary who had moved to Alaska from Hawaii. She had
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been missing for five months. Like Sherry Morrow, she had
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taken a job as an exotic dancer to make ends meet.
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And like Sherry Morrow, a. 223 caliber cartridge was found
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at the site. For Alaska State Trooper Wayne Van Clausen,
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the connection was frightening.
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And that's about when everything started to become kind of
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scary for everybody because the profile was the same. They
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were topless dancers from the clubs downtown, but that was
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certainly when there was the belief that there was a
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serial murderer out there.
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Two bodies had been found, but now troopers believed there
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were more. They began to revisit missing persons reports. Many
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of those reported missing were exotic dancers, but in Alaska,
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Their disappearance was not unusual.
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Missing persons was a relatively low priority. Statutorily, if you're
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an adult, you have a right to be missing. And
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there were a lot of instances where these girls would
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just jump on a plane and go away.
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Between 1980 and 1983, 12 women had been reported missing.
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That was only a fraction of the unreported total. Troopers
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now wondered how many of the missing women were victims.
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Of the killer. That would be difficult to determine.
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The Alaska state troopers sent the evidence from the Sherry
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Morrow and Paula Goulding crime scenes to the FBI's laboratory
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in Washington, D.C.
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For analysis.
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The FBI ran ballistics tests on both shell.
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Casings to see if they were shot from the same gun.
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State troopers hoped the results could provide them with strong
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evidence that the same person committed both murders. The lab
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results were conclusive. Both women were killed by the same
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high-powered rifle. There was little doubt. Alaska troopers were dealing
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with a serial killer. While they began their hunt for
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him in the wilderness, the Anchorage police were dealing with
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their own problems. Every city has its dark side, and
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Anchorage is no different. Except that in Alaska, the nights
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are longer and darker. In the 70s and 80s, Anchorage
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was a frontier town. Men came here to work hard,
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and women followed to ease their loneliness. Some women were
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lured to the strip clubs, hoping to earn a quick buck. Others,
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looking for more respectable opportunities, worked in the clubs until
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something better came up.
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For many, it never did. And in the city's streets
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roamed a stalker.
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He chose carefully. His victims were hardly missed. or in
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a city made up largely of strangers, it's difficult to be.
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A missing person.
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Some of the women who disappeared from Anchorage turned up safely.
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Some didn't turn up at all. But disappearances weren't the
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only crimes being reported. On the early morning of June 13th, 1983,
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Cindy Paulson, age 17, ran down an Anchorage highway.
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She was partially dressed and in handcuffs.
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She managed to flag down a passing truck. She was
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running for her life. The motorist dropped her off at
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her motel apartment.
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The desk clerk had called the Anchorage police.
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An officer removed her handcuffs and tried to calm her.
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Anchorage police officer Greg Baker recalls the incident.
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We found her in handcuffs with very little clothes on.
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She was real credible.
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She was very scared, she was very frightened, and she
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told us her story.
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Paulson, the prostitute, told Baker that she picked up a
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trick the night before.
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She described him as wiry, scruffy, about six feet tall,
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with glasses and a stutter, He was not the kind
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of person she thought of as threatening. But as soon
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as she stepped into his car, he handcuffed her and
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put a wood handle.
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Revolver to her head.
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They drove to a respectable residential neighborhood. He pulled her
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into his house. The place was well kept and full
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of hunting trophies. He had a chain hanging from the
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ceiling of his den. He chained her up and stripped her.
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And there she was tortured and raped. repeatedly for hours.
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Then he went to take a nap, leaving her there.
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But he wasn't through yet. He said he was going
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to take her to his cabin in the wilderness. He
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said if she tried to get anyone's attention, he'd kill
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her and them as well. He told her he already
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had his alibi worked out. His friends were willing to
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lie for him. No one believe her story. They ended
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up at the airport. She could see him loading a
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weapon into a small aircraft. She also saw her chance
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for escape. Her one chance to save her life.
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The story sounded outrageous.
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But her genuine terror compelled Officer Baker to check it out.
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I had a very street-smart female, scared to death, with
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a story about being taken at gunpoint and held prisoner
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at a specific location that she described where it was,
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so she knew where it was.
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She described the interior of the location.
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She described a den, up to and including various animals
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who were posted on the, mounted on the wall.
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En route to the hospital for an examination, Paulson insisted
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on stopping at the airport to show police the airplane
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she had seen earlier.
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She positively identified it.
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While we were in there, we had a security guard
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stop us and describe the car the same way that
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Cindy described the car, and in fact gave us a
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license number. That license number confirmed the address or the
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area at least, that Cindy had given us regarding where
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the house was.
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Police went to the address to speak to the owner
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of the car. They arrived moments before he pulled up,
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driving the vehicle described by Cindy Paulson. So far, everything
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Paulson said checked out, but the suspect had his own
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story to tell. According to the motor vehicle records, the
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car that Cindy Paulson was abducted in belonged to Robert Hanson,
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a baker in Anchorage. Hanson, who fit the description of
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the man Paulson described, calmly answered questions. He said he
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was at a friend's house from 5 p.m. to 11.30 p.m.,
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repairing a seat for his airplane. Afterward, he went to
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the home of another friend and stayed until around 5.30
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that morning. Then he went to the airport and installed
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the seat. Hansen gave police his consent to search his house. Again,
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his home was exactly as Paulson had described. That only
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proved she'd been in the house, not that Hansen had
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raped and tortured her there. They could find no evidence
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of that. They did notice a loose-fitting wall panel. Behind it,
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they found a collection of weapons, but that wasn't surprising.
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Hansen was an avid hunter. They did find a revolver,
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but it didn't match the one that Paulson described.
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The gun, the chain.
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and the blanket she was wrapped in were nowhere to
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be found. Hanson's car appeared equally clean. Anchorage police found
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nothing in his car that fit Paulson's story.
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Those alibis were corroborated and verified. And Mr. Hanson was
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released after a consent search of his house.
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Paulson, still shaken from her ordeal, was able to pick
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Hansen's picture out of a photo lineup.
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But when given the.
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Chance to take a lie detector test, she refused. Her
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occupation gave her an inherent distrust of the police and
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gave police an inherent distrust of her. She felt she'd
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never be taken seriously. Soon after, she left town for
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a while to try to put the nightmare behind her.
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Anchorage authorities were willing.
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To let it drop, too.
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I found out because the alibis were corroborated and because
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they had a problem with Cindy Paulson appearing and disappearing, and,
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of course, her lifestyle left a lot to be desired,
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that the case had been suspended with the Anchorage Police Department.
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Police had gathered no solid evidence linking her story to
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Robert Hansen. But for Officer Greg Baker, it wasn't over.
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He was one officer who believed Paulson's story and.
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Wouldn't let it go.
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The predator roaming the streets of Anchorage was still out there,
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free to claim more victims. Robert Hansen, the most likely
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suspect in the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson, had
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been released for a lack of solid evidence. Officer Baker
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was still curious. Lately, the Anchorage police had been grappling
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with what seemed like more than their share of missing
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persons reports involving prostitutes like Paulson or exotic dancers or
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women out by themselves. Paulson's assertion that she was about
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to be put on a plane only reinforced his creeping
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suspicions about Hanson.
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He had taken her to the airport where he was
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going to fly her out with the story that if
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she maintained her helpfulness that he'd bring her back and
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let her go.
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Well, Cindy was bright.
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Enough to know that she was on a one-way trip,
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and so was I. And so I kind of just
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put two and two together and figured that he was
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a very good suspect for the missing dancers.
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Baker's supervisor had suspended the investigation into Robert Hansen, but
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Baker couldn't let it go. Cindy Paulson's nightmarish story had
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too much detail to not have some basis in truth.
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But no one except Baker would listen to her. He
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continued his investigation. On the surface, Baker found nothing in
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Hansen's record to arouse suspicion. He had moved to Anchorage
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from Iowa 16 years earlier and opened a bakery. It
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was a huge success. He had a wife and children,
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and except for his stuttered, He fit in completely. When
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he wasn't in the kitchen, Hansen enjoyed flying his small airplane,
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a Super Cub Piper.
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Back on the ground, he took to the woods.
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He was a solid citizen. He just didn't fit the
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model of a serial killer. There were plenty of others
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drifting through Alaska more suited to that role. They didn't
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have businesses. They didn't have families. Hansen did. He had
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everything to lose. Frank Rothschild was a prosecutor involved in
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the Paulson case.
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Bob the baker. The troopers and the police used to
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go to his donut shop all the time. It was
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a very popular place to go. He had a bakery.
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People knew him. He was friendly. He was just a
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hardworking guy.
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Unaware of Officer Greg Baker's local investigation in Anchorage, state
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troopers were still trying to find their serial killer. Bodies
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continued to be unearthed in the Alaskan wilderness. Troopers set
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up a task force to study the similarities between the
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missing women and the murder victims. They hoped to find
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a common thread that would lead to a suspect. Until
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authorities knew more, They did their best to educate dancers
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and prostitutes about playing safe. For the first time, police
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and prostitutes were on the same side. According to Rothschild,
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the goal was preservation.
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Law enforcement were then, and had been for a time,
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advising young women who were working in some of these
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clubs and who were working the streets to be careful.
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And to advise them, there was a a maniac out
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there who seemed to be abducting and killing people.
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A little digging revealed that Hansen's criminal history was extensive.
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Twelve years earlier, in 1971, he'd been arrested twice for kidnapping.
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Rape, and assault with a deadly weapon.
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They were crimes that bore an eerie resemblance to what
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Cindy Paulson had endured. Baker couldn't bring this information to
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his supervisor. The Paulson case had been officially suspended, and
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Baker was bucking authorities. That left him no alternative.
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At that time, I gathered up all the reports and
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background that I could find on Mr.
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Hansen and carried it over to the troopers.
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When the troopers received the file from Officer Baker, they
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were optimistic. Paulson's testimony, along with Hansen's police record from Anchorage,
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made him a prime suspect in the state case. The
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troopers' investigation dovetailed with Baker's, They were both dealing with
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the same maniac. Robert Hansen was their best suspect.
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I think everybody was looking at him real seriously because
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he made a good suspect when you looked into him.
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He had a pretty extensive criminal background, including some sexual assaults.
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The only problem was the proof.
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Though Hansen was a violent sex offender, his record indicated
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nothing about being capable of homicide. nor was there any
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direct link from him to Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and
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the other missing women. At this point, troopers didn't even
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have enough for a search warrant. They knew only that
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three women were dead and 12 were missing. Out there
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lurked a serial killer. Troopers needed to catch him before
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he killed again.
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They needed help.
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We knew we had a mass murder on our hands.
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That was not something Alaska had any experience with. Somebody
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obviously knew that the FBI not only had experience with it,
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but had set out this unit that was designed specifically
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to try to assist in discovering who these people were.
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To catch a killer in their own backyard, the troopers
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called on help from over 3,000 miles away. Only the
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FBI had the resources needed to get inside a killer's head.
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When the Alaska state troopers determined they had a serial
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killer on their hands, they realized they didn't have the
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expertise to stop him.
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But they knew who did.
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Quantico, Virginia is home to the FBI's investigative support unit. Here,
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agents attempt to predict behavioral patterns by analyzing a criminal's actions.
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Retired FBI agent John Douglas helped pioneer behavioral profiling, and
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still works as a consultant. His profiles are based on
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25 years interviewing convicted killers. They taught Douglas how to
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think like they do. He's learned that serial killers are
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acting out their fantasies of control and conquest. As Douglas
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slowly wins their trust, he takes them back to the
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scene of their crime.
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You finally get them talking, they start giving you that
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thousand yard stare. They're back, they're back 10 years ago,
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20 years ago when they were perpetrating the crime. And
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they kind of lock into that thousand yard stare. And
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their memory is just so precise. And the fantasy is
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what keeps them going over and over and enables them
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to survive when they're incarcerated. So I got to tap
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into that. It takes time, but once I'm in there,
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I get tremendous information.
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From these interviews, he distilled a checklist of traits and
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habits that serial killers share. They start young, with lesser
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crimes such as arson or cruelty to animals. Over the years,
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their violence builds. To every new case, profilers bring the
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knowledge of how killers evolve.
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To understand the criminal, you must look at the crime.
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You just want to see if you can come up
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with an analysis based upon preliminary police reports, crime scene photographs,
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a profile of the victim... autopsy protocol, reviewing that, review
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the autopsy photographs, do an analysis of the overall crime,
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the risk level that the subject took, the victim risk level,
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analysis of the area, maybe the crime scene, maybe you
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have multiple crime scenes, and then based upon that, you
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attempt now to come up with a specific type of profile.
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By examining every aspect of an unsolved crime, a profiler
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can determine specific characteristics of that killer, such as age, occupation,
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and physical characteristics. The troopers contacted the FBI to see
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if the Bureau could work up an analysis of.
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The Anchorage killer.
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They hoped the profile would sharpen the investigation and bring
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overlooked clues to light. The troopers gave the FBI what
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they needed to build the behavioral profile. For a scrupulous,
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accurate profile, they required only facts from the troopers, no
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analysis or theories. Trooper Wayne Van Claassen didn't want to
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lose any time.
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The information he.
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Received from Officer Baker aroused his suspicions about Robert Hansen,
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but he needed more information. Criminal records were just beginning
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to be computerized, and he didn't have access to them
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all in Anchorage. While the profile was being developed, he
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went to Juneau to collect Hansen's records from the Superior
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and Supreme Court archives. In his fact-finding mission, Van Claussen
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researched every town that Hansen had ever lived in. He
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found reports on Robert Hansen dating back to 1961. He
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gathered all that he could carry, sent the rest by truck,
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then headed home. While he was in Juneau, the FBI
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had come through with a criminal profile of the serial killer.
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The fact that the killer was so prolific meant to
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Douglas that he could function unnoticed within the community. Someone
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who worked independently, most likely a business owner. The killer
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would be an avid outdoorsman since the bodies were recovered
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in remote areas of wilderness.
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Since he preyed on prostitutes.
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Douglas concluded the killer had difficulty talking to women, had
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low self-esteem.
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And grew up feeling like an outcast.
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Based on killers with similar profiles, Douglas provided a specific
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characteristic to explain the cause of those feelings of inadequacy,
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a feature that bore an eerie resemblance to Robert Hansen.
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The one that totally blew us all away, I think,
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is that when they said he's either going to be
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a stutterer or someone who has a lisp, a speech defect.
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How do you figure that? But that was one of
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the things that they suggested might show up.
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The FBI profile pointed to Robert Hansen, but the depths
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of Douglas' insight were about to be known. Upon Van
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Clawson's return, troopers studied the files. The records showed that
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Hansen had spent three years in a reformatory for setting
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fire to his old high school's bus garage. Based on
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their work with previous killers, the FBI profilers said the
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killer would have a history of arson.
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You have a boyfriend?
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Yes, actually, I do.
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The profile painted the killer as a social misfit. Hansen's
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court-ordered psychiatric reports from his days at the reformatory bore
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this out. I'm really busy right now, you know.
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I don't mean.
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Anything like it.
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His stutter was a social barrier that undermined his self-confidence.
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Whenever he tried to assert himself, he'd be slapped down.
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I have a lot of work to do, or I'm
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going to call security on you.
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He never forgot the sting. The profile said the killer
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would learn to function as a normal member of society
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while his perversions festered within. His record showed that in
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his 30s, Hansen began working at a bakery. He would
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brag to co-workers about his kleptomania and the sense of
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power it gave him. He also bragged about his love
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of hunting. He took great pleasure in exerting powerlessness over
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his prey, stalking it, then wounding it, and he became
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good at the kill, winning prestigious awards. In 1967, he
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moved to Alaska to start a new life and for
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better hunting. Three years after moving there, his record showed
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he was arrested for the attempted rape of a young
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receptionist at gunpoint.
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He pleaded no contest to assault with a deadly weapon.
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A little more than a month later, he was indicted
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for the attempted assault of an 18-year-old woman he'd followed home.
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As soon as the man got to Alaska, He was
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involved in theft cases. He was involved in abductions. He
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had psychiatric evaluations showing him to be really unstable and
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having all kinds of weird sexual fantasies and the rest.
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True to the profile, Hansen seemed a respectable citizen, so
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the courts were lenient. In one case, he claimed to
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have memory lapses and was given psychiatric treatment and five
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years in a work release program. He abducted one of
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his early victims outside a coffee shop, took her to
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a cabin in the wilderness, and raped her at gunpoint.
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She was 17 at the time.
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He told me, of course, if I called the police,
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that he would hunt me down and kill me. He
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told me he was a fine, outstanding businessman. He had
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never mentioned at any point during the rape time or
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before or after that he was married, but he said
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he's a fine, outstanding businessman and that I was just
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a kid and nobody would believe me.
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And he was right.
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Everything the profiler said about the perpetrator of the serial
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killings fits suspect Robert Hansen, a truly dangerous man who
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was passing as a nondescript face in the crowd. While
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troopers zeroed in on Hansen, they spread out to search
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for more victims in the Kinnick River area, where three
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bodies had been found. They believed that the dancers who
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were still missing may have been buried close to the
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other grave sites. But troopers came up empty. The area
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was too large and remote to cover completely. Despite the
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compelling FBI profile and the past police records, troopers lacked
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anything tangible to link Hansen to the killings. His police
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records were too stale, the evidence too circumstantial to hold
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any weight in a court of law. Investigators hoped that
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Cindy Paulson could help. She was the only surviving victim
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to Hansen's current wave of violence. Perhaps she could remember
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something else from her ordeal. Paulson gave another statement. But
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this time she was able to ID one of the
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guns Hansen had in his possession. Aside from Paulson, Hansen
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had not been implicated in a rape or abduction for
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more than 10 years.
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But in the hopes of.
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Strengthening their case and establishing a pattern of behavior, investigators
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searched for another of Hansen's victims from years earlier whose
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experience matched Paulson's. Although this prior victim no longer lived
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in the area, Troopers tracked her down and asked for
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her help.
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I had gotten a call from Alaska asking if I
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would like to maybe help with a conviction for Mr. Hansen.
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They had explained to me that he had killed, to
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the best of their knowledge, seven women. And they explained
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to me that the last woman had broken free.
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She agreed to testify when the time came, but troopers
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still had a weak case. The troopers felt confident they
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were on the right track. They didn't have enough to
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prove that Hansen was a serial killer. According to Anchorage
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Police Officer Greg Baker, Hansen knew that authorities were on
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to something.
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One morning I was driving by, and I needed to
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get some donuts for the shift.
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Mr. Hansen was there, and he had a.
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a window that he stood in and decorated cakes and
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cupcakes and cookies.
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And I remember watching him.
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He kept looking up at me, and you could tell
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he was nervous, and he kept putting frosting on his thumb.
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And I liked that.
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Although investigators had Hansen in their sights, they still lacked
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the evidence to connect him directly to the crimes. But
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because Hansen matched the profile so closely, Douglas flew to
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Alaska to review the case and to brief the troopers
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and prosecutor Frank Rothschild on how to proceed with the suspect.
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Douglas was confident that Hansen was their serial killer. The
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hunter was now the hunted.
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So the mission was to provide an analysis for them.
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Does he have the capability to.
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Commit a crime like this?
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And the answer was yes. I believe this prostitute, and
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I believe he's capable of perpetrating these crimes.
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Douglas' idea was to bring Hansen in for questioning while
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simultaneously searching his house. To obtain a warrant, investigators needed
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to list specific items they believed to be in the house.
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They knew to look for the gun that Cindy Paulson
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described and the one that fired the bullets found in
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the graves of Sherry Morrow and Paula Goulding.
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That wasn't enough.
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They needed a home run, something that would prove Hansen's
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guilt in no uncertain terms. They asked Douglas if there
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was anything else to list.
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In the warrant.
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Yes, some of the research findings is we're dealing here
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with a serial killer. And serial killers, it starts off
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as fantasies. And one of the things to keep the
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fantasy going after the crime is, because they're on the
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hunt nightly looking for victims, is they take some type
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of memento. We call them either souvenirs or trophies. Something
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belonged to the victims.
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Douglas helped prosecutors write the affidavit based on the likelihood
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of finding mementos mentioned in the profile. Anything from a
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piece of the victim's jewelry to a driver's license. But
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a behavioral profile had never been used as the basis
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of a search.
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Warrant in the United States before.
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Rothschild knew he'd need to back it up with more
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conventional information.
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Obviously, the district attorney's office wanted this search warrant to
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be bulletproof. They wanted it to be absolutely, positively, without flaw.
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because they knew this was a big, big case. The
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last thing they wanted was to have something wrong with
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the search warrant and have all the evidence thrown out.
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The affidavit swelled to 48 pages. The judge granted eight
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search warrants for Hansen's property. Now they just needed Hansen.
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They had learned his pattern, knew his schedule. On October 23, 1983,
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they went to pick him up at his bakery But
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Hansen wasn't there. He'd gotten off to a late start,
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unwittingly keeping the troopers waiting 20 tense minutes. When asked
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to come in for questioning, he didn't resist. The interrogation
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room was ready for him. The goal was to keep
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him off balance, hoping to elicit a confession and avoid
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a lengthy legal case. Douglas helped the troopers design the
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interrogation room for the biggest psychological impact. Crime scene photos
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and related materials were strewn everywhere for Hansen to contemplate
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before his interview. At the appointed moment, the troopers arrived,
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and the mind game began.
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Mr.
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Hansen?
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The FBI coached Rothschild on how to play it.
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Ask him questions in a way that would prompt more discussion.
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So that's game plan number one. Then obviously, we've got
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all of these cases that have been investigated. And to
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00:38:46.949 --> 00:38:51.469
get him to talk specifically about those, he's trying to
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search us out. What do we know? So I could see.
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His game plan was to kind of find out what
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we knew and play off of that. And my game plan,
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00:39:03.949 --> 00:39:06.510
of course, is to find out what he knew.
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While Rothschild tried to get Hansen to open up and confess,
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troopers served the search warrants.
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Hansen's wife was home. The troopers were extra.
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Cautious, videotaping the entire procedure. What they were looking for
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could be anywhere, even in plain sight. Hansen knew the
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troopers had access to his police and psychological records. He
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didn't tell authorities anything they didn't already know. He spoke
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of his painful upbringing, his strict family, his anger. He
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admitted to picking up dancers and prostitutes in the early
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70s and how enraged he became when they tried to
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raise their prices. But he denied threatening any of them.
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He admitted nothing. While Hansen told his story and his
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house was being turned inside out, other troopers headed to
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his bakery and to the airport to search his planes.
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Both were clean.
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The house became the focal point of the investigation. A
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careful search of the upstairs bedroom finally yielded a curious
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and eerie discovery.
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An aerial map of the region, peppered.
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With 37 Xs. They seemed to be clustered mainly around
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the area where bodies had been found. but there were
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dozens more marks than bodies, at least so far. The
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searchers continued up to the attic. Under insulation, the troopers
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found weapons. Among the items found were a. 223 Ruger
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Mini-14 rifle, like the one used to kill Sherry Morrow
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and Paula Goulding. and a wood-handled revolver resembling the one
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described by Cindy Paulson. The search team let Van Claussen
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know the good news. The net was closing on Hansen,
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and he knew it. But he wasn't ready to talk
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just yet. The interview dragged on for hours. It didn't
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seem like a confession was likely.
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I haven't.
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Never seen him.
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While troopers collected the evidence, the case unwound even further.
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Hansen's friend and neighbor stopped by, curious about the activity.
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She was stunned by the news, then made a confession
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that demolished the last of Hansen's story. She told troopers
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that her husband provided Hansen with his alibi on the
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night of Cindy Paulson's abduction. He'd lied to protect his friend,
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not realizing how serious Hansen's charges were. The husband later
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called police and retracted his statement. Hansen's alibi evaporated. As
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the search continued, the troopers found the most incriminating evidence
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so far.
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Evidence that Douglas knew had to be there somewhere.
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They found Sherry Morrow's necklace and other personal property belonging
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to the dead or missing women. They had found Hansen's
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stash of trophies.
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Yeah, this is Baker here.
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Investigators called the station. Though they had Hansen where they
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00:42:48.579 --> 00:42:53.619
wanted him, still he wouldn't confess. But they had enough
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to lock him up on the Cindy Paulson case. Bail
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was set at $ 500, 000. Investigators now had time to build
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their case against Hansen as a serial killer. They called
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the prior victim to see if she was still on board.
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And at that time, they thought he had killed 11 women.
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And was I still interested in being a witness? They
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really felt that they may need me, because he hadn't confessed.
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All right, what you got?
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Three points on the map found in his bedroom matched
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the locations of bodies recovered by the troopers. Another X
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marked the location of a body recovered by Seward police
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years earlier. The remaining Xs presumably marked the graves of
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more victims dozens.
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Of them looking at the map obviously was pretty chilling
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because we believe the map the map was a body
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count as far as we were concerned the man had
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kept track he didn't have newspaper clippings he had the map.
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When the troopers believed they had enough to convict Hansen
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on at least four murders they confronted him and his
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lawyer with the evidence Hansen couldn't refute it. He had
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no place left to hide. Finally, it was time to confess.
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Time for Hansen to cut a deal. Hansen said he
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would confess to the murders that could be proven, as
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long as the trial was given no publicity and that
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his family be left alone. He demanded that he be
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imprisoned outside of Alaska when the trial was over. In
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exchange for only four convictions, he agreed to show the
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troopers where more bodies were buried. Investigators called the prior
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victim to tell.
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Her the good news.
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The third time they called back and said that he
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had confessed and they wouldn't need me. So I hung
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up the phone when we were done talking. I got
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my son off to school, got my husband at the door,
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and proceeded to fall apart. I started crying. I couldn't stop.
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I had no control over it. It controlled me. I
630
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could see each and every one of those women, how
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they died, probably hunted down like wounded, and then hunted more.
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In his confession, Hansen described how he would take his
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victims into the woods and hunt.
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Them as prey.
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Over the dozen years that he lived in Alaska, he'd
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raped more than 30 women and developed many strategies for
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capturing them. Once he found a likely target, A solitary
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00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.800
woman like Sherry Morrow. He would befriend her and arrange
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to meet her at a fast food place. If they
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were dancers or aspiring models, he'd offer to pay to
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photograph them. He'd arrive early and stay in his car.
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That way he'd be certain the woman arrived alone and
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had no one waiting for her in the parking lot.
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No witnesses.
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Then he'd go in and meet his new victim. One
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half of the handcuff was already fastened to the seat.
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Hansen boasted that snapping the other half onto his victim's
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wrist while reaching for his gun became like a reflex.
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Then he would take them home or to a remote
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motel to rape and torture them. Afterwards, he'd blindfold them
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and drive or fly them to the outskirts of town
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until he arrived at a secluded spot, his hunting ground.
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His habit was to toy with his prey before he
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made the kill. Hansen confessed that in the summer of 83,
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he devised what he called his summer plan. He sent
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his family away so he could bring his victims home.
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When he was done with them, he'd dispose of them
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in the wilderness. On February 27th, 1984, Robert Hansen was
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convicted of murdering four women and sentenced to 461 years
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plus life with no chance of parole. After his sentencing,
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Hansen accompanied troopers into the field to find more of
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his victims represented by Xs on his map. A total
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of eight victims were found. Some places on the map
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went unexplored. Bears scavenged others, scattering the remains. Investigators will
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never know how many of the 37 X's represented.
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One of Hansen's victims.
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According to John Douglas, the map might have depicted only
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a small part of his hunting grounds.
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Killers like Hans will come into contact with a lot
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of women, but Fantasy is everything, and they may not
671
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like the way the person talks or the person dresses, style,
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and so they'll make a decision. Well, this one will live,
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this one over here will die. I believe he was
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good for a lot more cases, and I still believe
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there was a chance that one of the reasons that
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caused him to go up to Alaska, he was running
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away from homicides back in the lower 48s.
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In the United States, an estimated 35 to 50 serial
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killers are active at any given time. Profiling has made
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them easier to spot and apprehend. Each time one is captured,
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investigators learn more about their twisted motivations, making it easier
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to catch the next one.
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Thank you.