Stranger Things: Season 1 - Episode 8

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Welcome to Fandom Shmandum, the fandom podcast
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that covers everything you love and more. I'm
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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. For today's
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episode, we will be boastfully blathering about
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Stranger Things, the Season 1 finale, Episode
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8. And without further ado, we will, as Roger
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Smith says, dive on in. So get up to 88, because
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it's time to travel back for our one -episode
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story recap. Just as everyone got together, they're
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all apart again. Joyce and Hopper are trapped
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inside Hawkins' lab. Joyce is having a lovely
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chat with Brenner. And Hopper is trying to convince
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the security to let him and Joyce find Will.
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The children have been left alone at the gym.
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Jonathan and Nancy are at the buyer's, putting
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nails through a bat and loading a gun. In an
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attempt to get rid of Joyce and Hopper, the lab
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does indeed let them go into the Upside Down
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to rescue Will, but only because Hopper tells
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Brenner where Eleven is. We get flashbacks of
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Hopper with his child Sarah. While it's clear
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Jonathan and Nancy would do well on Survivor
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together, they're going to lure the Demogorgon
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to them and use human intelligence to fell the
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big old beast of the buyer's burden. But Steve
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is back! And winning our hearts somehow? He's
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here to apologize, but Nancy pulls a gun on him.
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And then the lights start blinking and welcome
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to the party, Steve. There's a big ol' monster
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coming for ya. With some ingenuity, they kill
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the monster. Which is not the biggest victory
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of the night. No! Dustin has found some chocolate
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pudding! Chocolate pudding! And Mike kisses Eleven
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while the bad men arrive to capture her. But
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don't worry, she kills everyone trying to get
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her, and that somehow doesn't raise any red flags
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to Mike or even Lucas, who you would think would
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be maybe like, ah, no, she is real bad. Hopper
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and Joyce track some fresh blood to the public
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library in the Upside Down. Brenner finds Eleven
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finally, and she calls him Papa in front of everyone.
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But all that blood leaking out of Eleven's murder
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victims has drawn a new or the same Demogorgon.
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And for some reason, Brenner approaches it and
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it mauls him. I don't understand why he takes
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a step towards the Demogorgon. Finally, Joyce's
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find will. And he's got some sort of weird tube
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shoved in him. Is it from Vecna? What's it doing?
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Why is it in him? We don't know. Only that it
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writhes when Hopper takes it out and then he
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shoots it. since you can't actually ask it any
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questions. Is L dying? Because it certainly seems
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like it. She's used too much of her powers. Lucas
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has no shot of killing the Demogorgon with a
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slingshot, but L, using her powers, disintegrates
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it. Hopper and Joyce find Will. They revive him,
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and all seems right with the world again. Except,
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maybe not. While Will is alive, Eleven is missing.
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Hopper is taken for a drive by some sort of agents.
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and Will can't quite shake the upside down. He's
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throwing up leftover slugs from it and flashing
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back to that strange, evil world. But don't worry.
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Hopper is leaving food for someone in the woods.
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Is that Eleven's theme music? Well, no, it's
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Christmas music, so Merry Christmas, everyone.
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Merry Christmas, Sierra, and Steve's wonderful
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sweater. Well, Find your donut holes, Sam, because
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it's time for our Knives Out category, where
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we soothe out which three storylines are the
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most vital to pay attention to. Number one, Hopper
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and Joyce. Number two, Jonathan, Nancy, and a
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smidgen of Steve. And number three, The Literal
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Children. Okay, so. This first storyline, Hopper
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and Joyce, they are captured at the end of episode
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seven. The first conversation starts with Brenner
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being like, hey, six people have been taken by
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this monster. I just need 11 to save your son
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and everybody else that might be killed by it.
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And Joyce is like, no, you left my son to die.
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And he's like, ah, the mom got me again. Interesting
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to hear just how much he's really concerned about
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11 only and really nothing else. Oh, yeah, definitely.
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He is singularly focused, which is, I don't know.
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I don't even know if there's a word for it. It's
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not admirable. It's not great. He's obsessed.
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Yes. He's obsessed. Obsessive. That's a good
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one. Hopper has a lot of flashbacks to his daughter,
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Sarah, just sort of instantly. humanize this
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entire storyline and give it a lot of gravitas
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and seriousness but they do it in a way that's
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not so like oh dead child feels something people
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and it's it feels really earned because he's
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mentioned her several times you know that she's
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passed like all of a sudden now we get to see
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sort of his life before all of this and why he's
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so hell -bent on uh really opening up and getting
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will yeah And then they enter the upside down.
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They go into it. They follow it through. They
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find Will. They, you know, there's this awesome
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sequence of Sarah's sort of demise and trying
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to see if Will is going to have that same demise
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or not. Some really heartfelt lines delivered
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by Winona Ryder. Some incredible acting by David
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Harbour. It's just really good. It's very, very
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good. Really good. Then we've got Jonathan, Nancy,
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and a smidgen. of steve so they leave the gym
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unbeknownst to mike and company and they get
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to the buyer's house and they're like we're going
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to draw it with blood and and they do this great
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thing where they're like they clearly already
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had a plan but we're joining them halfway through
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so we don't know what their plan is so that you
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can see it visually unfold uh and they like they
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slice their hands open with blood right there
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why is it always the palm why is it always I'm
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sorry. If you are about to need to grip something,
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maybe your shoulder, a leg. Top of your forearm.
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The top of the forearm instead of under your
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palm. A foot, maybe. The top of your foot. An
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ankle. I don't know. I wouldn't even think that.
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Gravity's sending blood down to constantly. Okay,
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fine. There are still plenty of other locations
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on your body than the palm of your hand. And
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it's in everything. I'm a big forearm fan. Forearm
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fan. Forearm's great. Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it.
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It's really tough skin. It's out in the sun all
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the time. It'll heal up pretty quick. Like, this
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is a phenomenal point that I literally hadn't
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thought about until you were like, why is it
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the palm? And I was like, well, why not? It's
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visually, oh, wait, it doesn't make any sense.
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You're so right. And everybody in every TV show
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or movie is like, I have to cut myself. Better
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cut it right across my palm or I have to dramatically
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wrap it and then proceed to do things gripping
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with said open wound. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't
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make any sense. Well, well spotted. Anyways,
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they do lure it to them, but it's at the exact
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same time that Steve, after washing the marquee,
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after this little redemption arc that he has,
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Shows up and is like, I'm sorry. And then they're
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like, you gotta leave. And then Nancy pulls a
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gun on him, which is just so funny. And Steve
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Harrington's response where he's like, wait,
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wait, what? It's so good. He's amazing in this
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scene. That entire sequence of those three, I'm
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like, wow. People playing the teenagers are phenomenal.
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They're great. That scene works so well. And
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even Jonathan's line where he channels his dad,
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Lonnie, where he's like, I'm not telling you.
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Get out. It's like, oh, oh, oh, man. Nancy, how
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are you not with him instantly? Maybe not the
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best time. That's true. To bring up with Steve
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and then start dating Jonathan. Like literally
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in one breath. Yeah, probably not. Probably not.
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Probably not. Anyway, Steve shows up and he doesn't
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run away. Chanting like a little Eddie Munster
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in season four. He doesn't run away. He goes
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out and he drops his keys. He has got that wonderful
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horror moment of dropping his keys. Of course.
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And then the lights start flickering again after
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he's already seen this Demogorgon. And then he
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comes in and he saves Jonathan. He picks up his
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famous bat with the nails. Smacks the Demogorgon.
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They're able to do the whole trap sequence where...
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it goes into like the bear trap thing and then
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they set it on fire and it melts and or evaporates
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it's not really sure like i still don't know
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if it's the same or a different demogorgon yeah
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i don't know either i think it's i think it's
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a little too unclear not dead yeah i see i'm
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on the other side where i'm like i think it's
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dead and they're just multiple demogorgons but
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who knows who knows yeah And then we've got...
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Questions abound. But they've done a really good
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job of luring the main Demogorgon that's haunting
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Hawkins away from Joyce and David Harbour, whose
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name is Hopper. There we go. They do a great
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job of luring him away. They've done their whole
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piece. And now Steve is fully invested. And we
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get to have more of him. And he's done just enough
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to save his dating life to Nancy. Yes. Just enough.
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Good job. good job by you buddy um then we've
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got the literal children's storyline okay so
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they're in there and they find chocolate pudding
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which is great and they steal way too much of
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it like too much it's an insane amount that they
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grab they carl from walking dead amount of chocolate
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pudding it's stupid how much they take they're
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like there is a great post about how uh Cuddlefish
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can exert self -control. And the caption of this
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post, somebody wrote, Upstaged by a Cuddlefish
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once again. They're all upstaged by Cuddlefish.
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Don't be upstaged by Cuddlefish. Exert some self
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-control. I get it. Chocolate pudding's amazing,
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but come on. Anyways, the bad men find them because
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Hopper... I don't think this gets talked enough
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about. Hopper sells out Eleven's location to
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go get Will. Yeah. And then he goes on to be
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her protector and her dad. And to do everything
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in his power to keep her. But, like, he absolutely
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sells her. Yeah. I... I'd like to believe that
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he's seen enough by now to be like, she can take
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care of herself. Hopefully. Maybe he's banking
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on that. It's not a great look. It's also his
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only leverage. It is. It really is. He has one
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final card to play. Yeah. And he has to play
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it, otherwise he's not gonna get Will, and he's
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standing there with the mother of said child,
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like... He kind of is backed into a corner on
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this one, but... He has no way of knowing that
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they're going to not confirm that she's there
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before they let them go into the Upside Down.
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So I think that's why he gives her the real location,
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but he's just like, she's in the gym, and Brenna's
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like, great, good, you're good to go in. Go die.
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Basically. But... Doesn't he send them somewhere
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else? It just says the school and they don't
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know that they're in the gym. No, they send them
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and they go into the gym first, but they've already
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moved to the cafeteria. But he doesn't know that.
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Because I thought that they saw all the things,
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all the vans pull up and go in a different area.
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They do. So Mike and Eleven and everybody have
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moved away from the gym location. The agents
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go straight into the gym location, but I don't
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think that Hopper knows that they've moved yet.
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I could be wrong about that, but that's my, it
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is great. And maybe that's what he's banking
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on. He's banking on Mike and Levin and everybody
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keeping her safe and that she can take care of
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herself. But it's also, it's wild from all fronts
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because he gives up his only bit of leverage.
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They don't confirm. They sent him there into
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the upside down and Brenner's like, let them
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go. Yeah. Because, because they're going to die
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in there. So this is an easy way of happening.
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But it's like, but man, you haven't confirmed
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if she's there yet, and he's the only one that
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knows where she is, so... Oh, yeah, it's wild.
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I know it's for plot reasons, but it is just
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stupidity on both of their parts. Oh, yeah. Anyways,
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they find them. Eleven has this, like, serial
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killer moment. Oh, yeah. Which is the reason
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why, in season four, we're willing to believe
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that she killed everybody else in... Yeah. In
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the lab with her. Because... The woman who kills
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Benny, and then we think might kill the favorite
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MVP, Mr. Clark, she's standing there pointing
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a gun at Eleven, and Eleven just squishes all
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the brains of everybody around her. Once again,
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she collapses this time. That does seem like
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a lot of effort to squeeze a bunch of brains.
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They all die, and they all have blood running
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everywhere, but it's kind of an eerie moment.
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It's terrifying. This is another, like, I forgot
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type of moment where I was like, um, her body
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count is very high. Very high. She kills a lot
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of people this season. Yeah. A lot. A lot. And
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yes, they are quote, quote, bad guys. And yes,
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you know, they're from the lab that was essentially
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keeping her captive. brainwashing and whatever
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else they're doing to, to these kids and, and
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et cetera, et cetera. So they're not upstanding,
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but that's a lot of death on her. It's also like,
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she's already proven that she can incapacitate.
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She broke Troy's arm. Yeah. She doesn't necessarily
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have to kill her. So like the temper on her to
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just go, Oh my God, this woman killed Benny,
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who was nice to me. I'm going to kill everybody,
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including her is. intense and i like talk about
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like you're saying talk about forgetting moments
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it's like oh i kind of think i put this at the
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back of my head because i don't like thinking
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about it because i don't like seeing her and
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not just the the like hero l state of her you
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know ripping apart the monster in season three
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or closing the gate in season two or any of that
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stuff so it's anyways it's very strange um but
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it's very huge vecna vibes there In terms of
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her willingness to kill. And again, they are
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bad people. It's not Vecna killing innocent people.
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But, oh man. It's a lot. It's just always, there's
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always a question of morality and ethics when
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you are being the deciding factor to end somebody's
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life. Yes. But she does it and then the Demogorgon
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comes through because there's a lot of blood.
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So either it's the same Demogorgon that got kind
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of melted by some fire. Or it's a different one.
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I think it's a different one. You think it's
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the same one? We don't know. And it chases them
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around. And Lucas decides to... First of all,
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why does Brenner take a step towards the stupid
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Demogorgon? Do you know? I have to imagine that
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it's, like, ego, essentially. Where he's like,
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I am in control here. Yeah. Kind of a situation.
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Where he's like... Maybe he thinks somehow he
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has control over the Demogorgon that he, because
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that's like, that was kind of my read on it from
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the beginning, not knowing anything, you know,
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in future seasons, but just on this, it almost
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seems like Brunner kind of thinks of the Demogorgon
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as like his discovery, his like pet tool, whatever
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you want to, whatever creepy thing you want to
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think. And that he's almost like, hey, like,
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you belong to me, and this is the, like, pet
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turning on its master type of situation. Which,
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like, in this season... He's never seen it. Yeah,
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but, like, in this season, we don't necessarily
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know that. We don't necessarily know how much
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contact he has or has not had with the upside
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down. Yeah. And that he sent Elle to go find
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it. Yeah. So, we don't know... enough about like
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his relationship with the upside down and the
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inhabitants they're in. So it could, from me
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watching it, I was like, I could see how when
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you're seeing it without any of the further story,
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you're almost like, Oh, did he like do this?
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Yeah. Yeah. I wonder too, if it's his scientific
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curiosity, just taking over. He's like, Whoa.
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Oh God. Yeah. So that's interesting. So then
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the Demogorgon, you know, is chasing down the
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kids for a second. It enters the room. Lucas
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shoots it with his little slingshot, which is
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stupid. And then Eleven takes it out, is right
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up against it, starts using her telekinesis to,
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like, disintegrate it, but also send it into
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the Upside Down like she did Vecna. But also
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we see in Season 2 that she also ends up in the
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Upside Down, and she completely disappears. But
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we're not really sure why. Like, there's a lot
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of questions around this moment. It's very fishy,
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yeah. It's really fishy. It's really, like, almost
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absurdly fishy for the world building. But we
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do know that it looks visually stunning. Because
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they give her all those dark blood vessels sort
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of starting to pop out around her eyes. She gets
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all dark and focused and she looks like evil
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almost while she's doing it. And it's that wonderful
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combination that this show has of innocence and
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evil put together. And the unexpected. And it's
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just this, it's like a microcosm of what makes
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this show work so well. And she's forcing this
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thing to go through the wall into the upside
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down slash disintegrate. But we're not really
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sure. But it's just, it's a great, it's a great
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moment. And those are our three storylines. Yes,
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indeed, indeed. So, keep your finger on the pause
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button. Rewind that tape. It's time for the prestige
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category. For what did we notice on this? Watch
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through. We've mentioned this a couple times,
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so I won't belabor the point, but Brenner is
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completely uninterested in the deaths of the
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civilians. He really only truly wants 11. As
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noted, six people, so there's like the two people
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from the hunting, his son, Barb, Will, and then
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some other person that I'm missing at the moment.
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Hopper's storyline, as mentioned in all the episodes,
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is I think the reason why this show works so
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well for adults. They can hold onto his backstory
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and his reasonableness and just everything. We
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both have the same observation here, which I'll
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let you take. Egg, egg, egg, egg, egg. Egg, egg,
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egg, egg. Ah! Rewatching this, I have seen Alien
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in between the first time that I watched Stranger
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Things and this time of watching Stranger Things.
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Growing babies in humans. So, you know, with...
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The whole, you were saying, we get to this as
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well, but what's that tube doing in Will? Yeah.
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Growing babies. Maybe. That was my initial thought.
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But then we get season three, but then we get
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season three and the tube is turning them into
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Flayed. Yeah. So it's something in that realm
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of it's either... doing the flay thing now um
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before the plans of creating a flayed army um
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or it's growing i mean for lack of a better term
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alien babies but okay so here's the problem that
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i have with the egg because i don't think it
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stays consistent for future episodes we see dart
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in season two little little itty bitty guy That
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egg's way too big for the little itty bitty guy.
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So is it just multiples of the little itty bitty
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guys and an egg? But also, that egg isn't inside
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a human. So is this egg a totally different creature
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than we've seen? Is that egg the thing that birthed
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the spider that is the shadow creature? Like,
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what is the egg? I don't know. But it is egg.
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It is egg. Egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg.
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How on earth is Will alive is what I put. He's
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just got this tube. I don't know. It does feel
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like flayed baby things, because it seems like
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an umbilical cord for a kid, but just in the
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mouth and nose. How is he getting oxygen? Also,
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it's been like a week. He's had no food. But
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he hasn't been... No water. How is he lying?
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I don't know. Sweat. He's drinking his sweat
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from running. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
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understand. He's reaching into the liminal space
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and drinking the water off the ground. He's going
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into El's purgatory and just cupping some water.
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That's funny. I don't know. See, that also brings
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up, like, the whole, like, it's a mirror situation.
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Because Castle Byers exists in the Upside Down
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as well. Which, like, Vecna wouldn't have known
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about. So, like, if he had supplies in Castle
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Byers, is there an upside -down supplies store?
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Yeah, that's a good point, but then would they
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be spoiled? Unless it's, like, bottled water?
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Like, are there Eggos everywhere in the upside
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-down? I don't know. And also, one thing for
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water, though, is that the rivers might exist.
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So any of the creeks and stuff, he might have
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been able to go to and drink there. So I take
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that one back, but... And he does seem like he's
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fading away when the monster finds him at the
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end of season seven. Okay. I get that. That's
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fine. Here's a big question for you and all of
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our audience. Okay. Is Steve's redemption arc
00:22:52.470 --> 00:22:54.549
better than Zuko's? I'm talking about Avatar
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The Last Airbender for listeners who don't know.
00:22:56.049 --> 00:22:58.430
Yeah. Which has an amazing... This is spoilers.
00:22:58.609 --> 00:23:01.450
Well, the show's over 10 years old. Nice. But
00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:03.890
it is a bit of a spoiler. There's a great character
00:23:03.890 --> 00:23:05.390
in that show called Zuko. He has an excellent
00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:08.740
redemption arc. But like... I so easily have
00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:12.420
forgiven Steve as soon as he starts to wash the
00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:15.579
marquee with starring Nancy the Slut Wheeler.
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And then when he comes back, I'm like instantly
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in. And that was true the first season regardless
00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:25.359
of me. And so I'm like, is this redemption arc
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.720
more effective? So here's the thing. Yeah. Steve
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doesn't have quite as much to redeem. That's
00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:39.420
true. As Zuko. Yeah, Zuko's done a lot by the
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.440
point of his redemption. Yeah. For a long time.
00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:46.380
Yeah. And he's been really working on it. And
00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:49.259
he also has a really rough backstory to overcome
00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:54.420
as well. So I feel like it's just... I don't
00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:57.640
know that it's necessarily better. I just...
00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.940
It does blow me away how quickly... That's my
00:24:00.940 --> 00:24:04.019
point. I am like... Steve! Because that's the
00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:07.750
thing. I'm like... Wow, I forgot we, like, actually
00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:11.769
hate Steve. Yeah. Like, he's horrible for a little
00:24:11.769 --> 00:24:14.470
bit. He's awful. And then I'm like, wait, how
00:24:14.470 --> 00:24:18.670
do we love him so much going forward? And then
00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:20.529
all of a sudden I'm like, wait, I already love
00:24:20.529 --> 00:24:24.250
him. What's going on? So, I also don't think
00:24:24.250 --> 00:24:26.190
that it's better than Zuko's redemption arc.
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I think that whole season three of Zuko's redemption
00:24:29.230 --> 00:24:31.730
and him turning and being more of his mother
00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:34.849
than his father is really good. However, I am
00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:40.970
surprised at how highly ranked this Steve's redemption
00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:45.369
is for me because I do absolutely hate him. I
00:24:45.369 --> 00:24:47.630
hate everything about him. He's awful to Nancy.
00:24:47.869 --> 00:24:50.809
He's manipulative. He's a big bully. He's completely
00:24:50.809 --> 00:24:53.549
unsatisfying as a romantic partner for Nancy.
00:24:53.690 --> 00:24:56.309
His callous attitude towards them after they
00:24:56.309 --> 00:24:58.849
sleep together. Of not recognizing, you know,
00:24:58.869 --> 00:25:00.650
this is her first time. She needs to be taken
00:25:00.650 --> 00:25:03.869
care of and nurtured and helped along. It's just
00:25:03.869 --> 00:25:06.930
that selfish teenageness. That selfish teenage
00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:09.549
boyness about him. I'm like, this guy's terrible.
00:25:09.789 --> 00:25:12.250
And then, like, he just wants to help and he
00:25:12.250 --> 00:25:15.849
washes the marquee. And it's amazing. And then
00:25:15.849 --> 00:25:18.630
I'm totally, I just totally hooked mine and sicker
00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:20.829
bought. I still don't like Nancy with him, but
00:25:20.829 --> 00:25:23.859
I'm in for him as a character. and that's it's
00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:26.660
just amazing speaking of nancy her and jonathan's
00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:31.339
love story is really so believable yeah i it's
00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:34.259
it's entirely 80s cliche and yet i don't it doesn't
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:40.579
feel cliche it it's so good oh i really think
00:25:40.579 --> 00:25:43.000
that it makes a lot of sense just with the way
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.240
that they come together and how they kind of
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.059
bond just over this intense situation that they
00:25:49.059 --> 00:25:53.039
find themselves in and then from there they just
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.559
start finding the common ground and whatnot.
00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:58.619
And yeah, it definitely flows very, very well
00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:03.660
and doesn't feel forced. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.059
Nancy fires the gun. I think too many times.
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.880
I think there's only six shots in that revolver.
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.160
Revolver. Yeah. That would make sense for a revolver.
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.279
And she shoots it like nine times. And this is
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.039
just my inner Archer. I usually count. Yeah.
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.140
I usually count, especially with rollers. Maybe
00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:22.890
it's an eight shot revolver, but I, I'm pretty
00:26:22.890 --> 00:26:24.609
sure she's out of shots there. And that's, like,
00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:27.829
Archer, the cartoon, has just trained me so much
00:26:27.829 --> 00:26:30.509
into, like, hey, how many shots does that gun
00:26:30.509 --> 00:26:35.430
have? Yeah. Okay. Then, we've talked a little
00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:37.329
bit about this, but my biggest question is, why
00:26:37.329 --> 00:26:39.950
does the upside -down mirror Hawkins? We talked
00:26:39.950 --> 00:26:42.829
about this last episode. But I just, like, I
00:26:42.829 --> 00:26:45.009
don't... I know it's different dimensions, and
00:26:45.009 --> 00:26:46.910
so if there's an infinite amount of dimensions,
00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:49.690
there's bound to be one that's, like, a rotten,
00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:55.130
decayed thing. Mm -hmm. But, like, why? Yeah.
00:26:55.269 --> 00:26:58.150
I think that it's supposed to be because it's
00:26:58.150 --> 00:27:01.069
just, like, a parallel universe. So it's existing
00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:08.170
in tangent, but it's, like, a dark version. That's
00:27:08.170 --> 00:27:11.369
the best answer that I can come up with. So is
00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:13.250
there, like, a Teletubby version, too? And then,
00:27:13.289 --> 00:27:17.130
like... It's just, like, there's a positive version.
00:27:17.450 --> 00:27:21.180
And there's heaven and hell, too. I just... I
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.619
want to know the answer to that so bad. Yeah.
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.099
I think it's just that it's a twisted... It's
00:27:28.099 --> 00:27:31.039
just a twisted version of reality. Yeah. Yeah,
00:27:31.099 --> 00:27:33.579
but, like, if they build a new store, does that
00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:36.599
store get created down there? I just don't get
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.059
it. I mean, I feel like it has to. Yeah. Okay.
00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:42.839
Because they build Castle Buyers, and then Castle
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.000
Buyers exists, and... Yeah, that's true. The
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.039
next question is, so Will destroys Castle Dyers.
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.859
Is Castle Dyers gone? It's gone down there, too.
00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:55.519
It must be. How can the Demogorgon open its own
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.640
portal and go for people in high school? We talked
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.519
about that one. How? Yeah, for the tree as well.
00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:04.000
I just don't understand. Yeah, for the tree,
00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:08.160
yeah. The rift that El created weakened the worlds,
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.559
and so it can open its own with its Demogorgon
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.119
magic? Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand.
00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:17.769
We talked about this too. What is the tube doing
00:28:17.769 --> 00:28:22.109
in Will? Maybe Flayed. Maybe something more specific.
00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:24.069
I'm not sure. Because Barb doesn't have a tube
00:28:24.069 --> 00:28:27.089
in her. Barb's just like eating. Yeah, Barb's
00:28:27.089 --> 00:28:34.809
just dead. Cue the overmark. Dun dun dun. We
00:28:34.809 --> 00:28:38.430
talk about this a lot over the last two episodes.
00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:42.569
The inconsistency in Elle's like how fatigued
00:28:42.569 --> 00:28:44.980
she is. Why is she almost dying after squishing
00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.079
a bunch of brains? But, like, she can lift a
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.279
human 500 feet out of the air and place them
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.099
back down safely with very little effort. Yeah,
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:58.940
it's a lot. She does a lot, and then she, like,
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.059
almost dies, but then somehow has more power,
00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:03.220
and then somehow has enough power to take out
00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:08.359
the Demogorgon. Has enough, yeah. It's very confusing,
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.410
for sure. Uh, using the slingshot is just plain
00:29:11.410 --> 00:29:13.490
stupid. I really, like, they should be hiding.
00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:17.589
Yeah. Or running. Oh, 100%. Or trying to get
00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.009
out the window. Like, I feel like they're all
00:29:20.009 --> 00:29:23.029
smart enough to know that Lucas is, they're all
00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:24.849
old enough to know that Lucas' slingshot is not
00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:26.390
gonna work. This feels like a six -year -old
00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:28.970
move, not a 12 -year -old move. Yeah, I'd agree.
00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:32.730
For sure. But, I mean, it is, it is a nice callback
00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.720
to... Mike being like, what are you going to
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:35.900
do with that slingshot? Are you going to shoot
00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:38.079
it? And they're like, yeah, I am. And then that
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.859
moment of him using the third shot and then doing
00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:42.799
the slow motion and then the Demogorgon getting
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.460
blasted backwards and it's actually just L is
00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:49.019
a pretty awesome moment. I don't know if you
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:53.779
noticed this, but Eleven's eyes glow a dark red
00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:57.700
when she first uses her moves against the Demogorgon.
00:29:58.099 --> 00:30:01.759
It's not a reflection? No. A reflection of what?
00:30:01.819 --> 00:30:03.720
They are... They're a completely different color
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.980
than any other thing in that room. It's something
00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:09.680
I had not noticed until this episode, and I had
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.980
to pause and be like, am I seeing this correctly?
00:30:12.140 --> 00:30:15.140
And it is. They're just straight up red. Do you
00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:20.319
have any idea why that would be? I mean, wow.
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:26.960
I'm literally drawing a blank on potential. Because
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.869
I just thought it was like... Kind of like a
00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:32.470
reflection. Of like whatever was happening. With
00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:35.089
the Demogorgon. Was like reflecting back. With
00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:37.490
like the power that she was exuding. And then
00:30:37.490 --> 00:30:43.089
the rift. Because the. The port. Sorry the gate
00:30:43.089 --> 00:30:49.490
between. Us and the upside down. Is red. And
00:30:49.490 --> 00:30:52.589
like glows that color. So that I always thought.
00:30:52.690 --> 00:30:55.390
That it was like. Because she's pushing it back
00:30:55.390 --> 00:30:59.160
through. That it. was reflecting back on her
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.039
and it was more of a reflection not that her
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.900
eyes were actually exuding that color but that
00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:08.720
that um besides her being potentially bloodshot
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.880
yeah no and it's not that either it's her irises
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.279
around the eyes are like this sort of brownish
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.359
dark brownish red they're completely different
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.000
color than what they've been before and maybe
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.920
it's just like a little you know color theory
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.960
in order to make the scene work correctly but
00:31:24.690 --> 00:31:27.390
It is interesting, and it made me have to go
00:31:27.390 --> 00:31:30.869
and look at Vecna's eye colors as well. But his
00:31:30.869 --> 00:31:35.289
eyes are blue. Straight up blue. So I'm not really
00:31:35.289 --> 00:31:37.910
sure what's going on there or why. And it seems
00:31:37.910 --> 00:31:42.450
to have been just a that moment scene. So interesting.
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:49.619
Yeah, so my next question. So when we're in the
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:53.200
Upside Down, Hopper and Joyce are in the Upside
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.680
Down looking for Will. They come across like
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.420
a stuffed tiger. Yeah. And Hop picks it up and
00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:06.799
then has one of his flashbacks to his daughter
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:12.420
with the stuffed tiger. Yeah. And it just seemed
00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:16.839
odd. Like, I'm sure Hopper has seen. plenty of
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.539
stuffed tigers since his daughter passed away.
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:26.019
And so why is this so important? It just seems
00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:28.940
like, do they have the exact same tiger? Is there
00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:32.960
something, is this her tiger that is somehow
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.299
reflected in the upside down? It seemed like
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:40.089
it was a little bit more. of a stronger moment
00:32:40.089 --> 00:32:42.690
than just like there just happens to be another
00:32:42.690 --> 00:32:45.430
stuffed animal that looks similar to the one
00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:50.069
that she had um so that that kind of confused
00:32:50.069 --> 00:32:53.170
me um and i was like well maybe there's something
00:32:53.170 --> 00:32:55.450
like with her death that connected her to the
00:32:55.450 --> 00:32:59.069
upside down but i could i was like i don't think
00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:01.390
that that's the case so i think that's a really
00:33:01.390 --> 00:33:04.589
interesting thought i think They kind of poo
00:33:04.589 --> 00:33:06.549
-pooed that in the extra materials, and I don't
00:33:06.549 --> 00:33:08.750
remember where this is. It may even be in the
00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:11.069
show, and I've just forgotten. But it's explained
00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:16.069
at some point that Sarah's death is due to Hopper's
00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:20.309
military involvement. So Hopper in Vietnam is
00:33:20.309 --> 00:33:22.950
using Agent Orange a lot and inhaling it without
00:33:22.950 --> 00:33:25.910
masks, not knowing the dangers of Agent Orange.
00:33:26.349 --> 00:33:28.789
And it makes a lot of, and this is true in real
00:33:28.789 --> 00:33:30.750
life, it made a lot of Vietnam vets who used
00:33:30.750 --> 00:33:32.779
it infertile. And so they thought he couldn't
00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:34.180
have children, and then lo and behold, they have
00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:37.119
Sarah, but she develops this illness that she
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.079
has, and I believe it's cancer, because of his,
00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:47.460
like, chemicalized seed, essentially. So that's
00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:50.660
her death. It's the sort of after effects of
00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:53.279
chemicalized warfare going to extremes that the
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.460
U .S. brings in with Agent Orange. And so I think
00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:01.380
this is, like, just... Maybe a little thick visual,
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.339
you know, symbolism of trying to connect Hopper
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:07.460
so invested in Will and one of the reasons is
00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:09.980
he couldn't save his own child. And I think that's
00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:11.840
all that's coming out of this. Plus, the tiger
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.480
is the school mascot. We see that, like, very
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.019
shortly after with the kids and the, in the gym
00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:19.679
and there's the big tiger. Yeah. So I think that
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.880
this is just, like, a thing that he got his kid
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.480
because he likes Hawkins, you know. Yeah. That
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.119
sort of thing. Speaking of Sarah. Every time
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.059
I see Sarah dying and Will coming back to life
00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:34.840
sequence, it really gets me. Oh, yeah. It's very
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.460
impactful. Hopper losing his daughter and hugging
00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:42.400
his wife. And then Joyce's relief when Will starts
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.800
breathing again. And then Hopper sort of, like,
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.340
he feels two seconds after he does this, he feels
00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:51.320
like he imposes on that family moment. Because
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.260
he's there and suddenly they're like a family
00:34:53.260 --> 00:34:55.639
unit. And then he's like, oh, I should get this
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.659
mask for this kid. And I'm not actually the dad.
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.900
And like, it's just, it's just a phenomenal sequence.
00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:04.880
Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good. And then Will is
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.039
such a lovely child. He's so sweet. He's immediately
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.199
concerned about Jonathan's hand. I know. And
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.380
I'm like, you just went through hell for a week.
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.059
And your first thought is, what did you do to
00:35:20.059 --> 00:35:23.119
your hand? Are you okay? You okay? It's amazing.
00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:28.750
sweetie um i will say mike promising 11 hey you
00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:31.250
can stay in my basement or you can stay in my
00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:32.429
room and i can take the basement because i'm
00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:34.050
down there all the time and you'll get this an
00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:36.389
actual bed and clothes and they'll be like your
00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:39.030
mom and your sister and then i'll be your romantic
00:35:39.030 --> 00:35:41.929
partner and here's your new life and we're gonna
00:35:41.929 --> 00:35:45.070
get to it that's actually a very good like i
00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:48.230
don't know it's a very good mike moment of him
00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:51.530
being caring And it's also very serious, hairy
00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:58.789
Prisoner of Azkaban. Yeah, it really is. It very,
00:35:58.789 --> 00:36:00.889
very much is. But yeah, I mean, Mike does have
00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:03.570
a good moment here because he understands that
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:06.230
like, this is probably what she needs slash wants
00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:09.989
is to not have to be in hiding, to have a family,
00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:13.409
to feel like she belongs, to be able to stay
00:36:13.409 --> 00:36:18.550
with her friends that she's now made. And yeah.
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.920
like stay close and whatnot. So it's very sweet.
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:29.940
That is, it's very sweet. And then the biggest
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.260
question of all, I know Steve looks great in
00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:35.300
a sweater. I know he's got good hair. I know
00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.820
that he's an attractive man, especially to Nancy.
00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:44.699
But why, Sierra, is she still with him and not
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:49.880
with Jonathan? Okay. I have two. factors okay
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:58.619
here one sweater and hair she no no one is that
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:02.960
he did come back to apologize and then stayed
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.940
and fought came in at the last second slinging
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:10.519
did a good job integrated himself into the situation
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.840
that they were in and so she's giving him another
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.110
chance the second part is denial of her feelings
00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:25.030
for jonathan yeah okay so she stays with steve
00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:27.809
she doesn't have to confront potentially confusing
00:37:27.809 --> 00:37:30.409
feelings about jonathan for at least a few more
00:37:30.409 --> 00:37:35.309
months okay it's fine i understand you know it's
00:37:35.309 --> 00:37:37.130
really interesting because at the end of season
00:37:37.130 --> 00:37:40.110
four they're setting up this love triangle again
00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:44.389
for season five because nancy's been with c for
00:37:44.389 --> 00:37:48.340
most of season four and Jonathan has been avoiding
00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:50.039
her and they've been maybe going to break up
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.159
and they don't know where they're going to go
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.440
to college. And then Jonathan gets back and he's
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.739
like, better than Steve, right? And Nancy's like,
00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:57.880
he's not as bad as you think anymore. And it's
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.739
like, oh no, we're back to the sort of same thing
00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:02.460
that we were doing in season one. But I get it
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:07.579
then. Yeah. Like, Steve is thoughtful, is considerate,
00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:10.280
has been a great babysitter, is well beloved
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.639
by Dustin, who Nancy even... enough to dance
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.559
with at the snowball or whatever. And says, of
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.500
all of my brother's friends, you're my favorite.
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.920
You're my favorite. And so if Dustin approves,
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.239
maybe Steve isn't such a bad guy. I get it all
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.960
then. But at the very end here, part of me was
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.699
like, is she just trying to not break up during
00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:35.300
the holidays? Like, oh, I can't do this during
00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:40.719
Christmas. It's too close. No, I gotta wait for
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.940
the next big holiday. Halloween next year. Halloween
00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:49.639
next year! That's so true. Anyways, it's stupid.
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.719
It's fine. But you know what, Sam? You don't
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.119
always have to face down a horde of angry soldiers
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.199
by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners. It is time
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.099
for our Sansa is Smarter Than John category for
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:06.880
most important character moment of this Okay,
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.260
first of all - We have the same thing, essentially.
00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.860
Yes, we do. It's Hopper. Yep. Coming to terms
00:39:12.860 --> 00:39:16.960
with Sarah's death while reviving Will, saving
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.920
Will. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's the
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.739
most important. He, like, is able to do what
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.519
he couldn't do for Sarah. He saves Will. He brings
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.159
him back. Yep. Boom. That's the most important
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.159
character moment. That is Hopper's, like, he
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.960
has a complete arc in this episode. And that's
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.309
one of the reasons why - It's, you know, sometimes
00:39:35.309 --> 00:39:37.670
people have a complaint about, well, what's going
00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:39.670
on with Hopper in seasons two, three or four?
00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:42.369
Because his arc isn't as good. And it's like,
00:39:42.449 --> 00:39:46.829
yeah, he's the single best arc of season one.
00:39:46.909 --> 00:39:50.170
You're not topping that. Yeah. He did the work.
00:39:50.309 --> 00:39:54.170
Let him enjoy. Let him enjoy the work. And, you
00:39:54.170 --> 00:39:55.869
know, now he's going to have this work as a dad
00:39:55.869 --> 00:39:58.510
and then as a romantic partner and all of this
00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:01.440
stuff. But yeah. His arc is just incredible in
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.380
season one. And it's my favorite part of the
00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:04.800
show. And I think this is the most important
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.079
character moment. But I know you just lost a
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.739
hand, Sierra. But listen up. Because it's the
00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:14.239
I am your father category for most iconic character
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.880
moment. Not important. Iconic. And again, we
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.400
have the same thing. Will spitting up the slug.
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:26.460
And then flashing back to the upside down. Flashing
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:33.389
back. Flashing sideways. The now memories. The
00:40:33.389 --> 00:40:36.969
now memories. It brings up so many questions
00:40:36.969 --> 00:40:40.250
about is Will special? Yes. But it is the most
00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:42.469
iconic because he throws up the slug, it slides
00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:44.670
down the sink, and then he like drowns it with
00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:47.849
the water. But while that water's running, lightning,
00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:52.050
lightning noises. Boom. He's in the sink in the
00:40:52.050 --> 00:40:53.829
upside down. And it's like, wait, does he have
00:40:53.829 --> 00:40:55.869
this ability or is somebody else doing this?
00:40:55.909 --> 00:40:59.440
Right. Exactly. Very interesting. Very interesting.
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.599
Everybody sit down. It's time for our I am Iron
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.840
Man. Most iconic and most important scene category.
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.679
Okay. I have an honorable mention for Hopper's
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.480
CPRing Will. With that whole sequence of Sarah
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.760
and Hopper and Joyce. It's both iconic and it's
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.460
important. It is not, however, as... hugely important
00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:30.820
for the ramifications of preparing you all for
00:41:30.820 --> 00:41:35.400
season five. Right. As Eleven killing Demogorgon.
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.800
Yes. It mirrors. So first of all, she's holding
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.400
the Demogorgon. She's pushing it up against the
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.820
chalkboard. It disintegrates and then she disappears.
00:41:44.260 --> 00:41:46.480
And she goes in. We don't know where she goes.
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.860
We know that Hopper is dropping off food somewhere
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:52.019
and is that Eleven's entry music I hear. But
00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:55.460
we don't know. where she goes. So it looks like
00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:58.059
she disintegrates the Demogorgon and vanishes
00:41:58.059 --> 00:42:01.519
herself. This mirrors as well the way that she
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.139
banishes Vecna to the Upside Down in Season 4.
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.559
Where, you know, she pins him up against the
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.360
board and she opens the portal for the first
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.679
time, but it doesn't stay open. And he gets banished
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.599
and then he gets disfigured a la Palpatine style
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.599
and then meets Shadow Monster thing, etc. So
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.000
I think that there's just a ton of information
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.989
in there. How does she disintegrate it? Did it
00:42:24.989 --> 00:42:27.269
go back to the upside down or did she actually
00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:29.429
just like tear it to pieces? Why did she end
00:42:29.429 --> 00:42:32.150
up in the upside down? Like I, it's huge. There's
00:42:32.150 --> 00:42:36.269
huge questions. Yeah. That is a lot. And definitely
00:42:36.269 --> 00:42:40.090
that wins for most iconic, most important. Yeah,
00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:44.590
certainly. Crack open an encyclopedia. It's time
00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:48.210
for our, as Elijah Wood once said, no, how could
00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:51.280
we have known? category, where we discuss the
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:52.980
most important information disseminated to the
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:57.159
fandom during this Season 1 finale. To me, it's
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.079
Will is held, for some reason, in the Upside
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.360
Down. Now, it may be Babies, it may be Flare,
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.219
but we don't know. But it is for a purpose. Yeah.
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.639
Barb doesn't have that tube. Will does. He's
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kept alive. By what? Is the Demogorgon doing
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that? Is it Vecna? Don't know. Don't know. Need
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to find out. What is going on with Will? What
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is going on? But it is important information
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because it keeps that question going. It is interesting
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to me, too, that season four with all the Vecna
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stuff made everybody go, wait, what was going
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on with Will? Like, there were questions murmuring
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in the fandom about what was going on with Will.
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But season four, everyone was like, wait a second.
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Hold on a minute. What was going on with Will
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Byers? Yeah, very good questions. Well, it's
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time to keep your horses safe. It's the, I'm
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gonna make him an offer he can't refuse, category
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of best lines. Okay, there's one. It's interesting,
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because season eight, or season eight, episode
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eight doesn't really have that many killer lines.
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No. I mean, you could be like, Moments. Moments,
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absolutely. Sequences. Sequences. Visuals. The
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episode in its whole self? Yes. It's great. The
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episode wins. So, like, there's not, like, a
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mouth breathers or, oh, did I say O 'Bannon?
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Punch. No. But, and there isn't even, like, Mr.
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Clark really in it. And he has some great choice
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lines. So, for me, it goes to Dustin. Where he
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and Lucas are raiding the chocolate pudding.
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And he goes, found it! I knew she was hoarding
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it. Knew it. Always lying, saying she's out.
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Bald -faced liar. It's a very, like, Gollum -esque.
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Like, she was hoarding it. I knew it. Lying.
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She had it. She had it the whole time. Mine,
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my own, my pudding. My precious pudding. My precious
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pudding. None of us are doing the Gollum voice,
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but it's fine. We all know who we're talking
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about. Not at all. We're just trying not to get
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sued over here. Yeah, please don't. That's so
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funny. Oh my gosh. Dust off that card deck, Sierra,
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and get ready to shuffle. It's our Joker category.
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For who's the MVP of this episode? And you've
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got... I have a tie between Elle and Hop. Eleven
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for killing a Demogorgon. Killing the blonde.
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And muscling her way way past exhausted in order
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to make all of this happen. Saving the day. And
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then Hop for saving Will. Making deals with the
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devil. I mean, the government. And for personal
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growth. He goes through it. As we said, he goes
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through it. Honorable mention goes to Steve.
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The hair. For coming in with the save and the
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apology, good use of Negan Bat. Negan Bat! If
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nobody has seen the best friend sketch with Key
00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:29.420
and Peele about miscommunications over texting,
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.099
Keegan Michael Keyes also has a bat. Very similar
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:39.019
to Steve Harrington at the end. Negan Bat is
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absolutely the name of that for all eternity,
00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:43.960
for any time that that comes up. It's like the
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.099
Wilhelm scream and the Negan Bat. Yes. And yes,
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:50.519
yes, yes, don't at me. I know Negan's Bat is
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.659
technically barbed wire, not nails, but you know
00:46:52.659 --> 00:46:55.159
what I mean. You know what we mean. Same thing.
00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:01.619
Essentially. Essentially. So, I... The pound
00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:04.420
-for -pound screen time MVP argument for Steve
00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:07.340
is fairly strong. Especially when you throw in,
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.099
like, he also has an apology. Yeah. That's a
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:13.320
strong argument. I think it ultimately, you know,
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.300
he does a lot of work, but that's still... Nancy
00:47:16.300 --> 00:47:18.780
and Jonathan seem more valuable to me in those
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.559
scenes. Yeah, yeah. Because they, like, actually
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.780
get rid of it and have a plan. Eh. Hop, saving
00:47:23.780 --> 00:47:27.000
Will. But selling out Elle's location, I feel
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.300
like, is what the tiebreaker is. Okay. Also,
00:47:30.340 --> 00:47:34.400
Elle saves herself and the other three children.
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.480
So that's four people she saves. Hop saves one.
00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:45.199
Uh, uh. But how many does Eleven kill off -setting?
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.980
But they're all bad guys. If we're doing wins
00:47:47.980 --> 00:47:49.559
for one team or the other. But Hop wouldn't kill
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.539
anybody. Even if you're gonna give, like, partial
00:47:52.539 --> 00:47:57.019
credit. Even if each bad guy counts as 10 % of
00:47:57.019 --> 00:48:01.360
one. Hopper didn't kill anybody. That's true.
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:05.099
But if it's basketball, Eleven's murders, while
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:08.039
horrible, are still points for the good team.
00:48:11.139 --> 00:48:14.179
Oh, gosh. Even with serial killer vibes. I'm
00:48:14.179 --> 00:48:16.980
just saying, she wrecks hard on the front of
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:21.139
saving and killing bad things. Oh, my gosh. Fair
00:48:21.139 --> 00:48:23.780
enough. To be fair, this podcast does not condone
00:48:23.780 --> 00:48:26.559
murder. We do believe Elle should have incapacitated.
00:48:27.070 --> 00:48:29.409
Like, disintegrating the Demogorgon's fine. But,
00:48:29.449 --> 00:48:32.789
like, the real human beings just, you know, incapacitate
00:48:32.789 --> 00:48:35.170
them in some way, shape, or form. Ugh. Yeah,
00:48:35.250 --> 00:48:39.190
I would say, to me, it's 11 in this one. Mm -hmm.
00:48:39.730 --> 00:48:42.190
Fair enough. And, to be fair, Hopper did win
00:48:42.190 --> 00:48:45.769
MVP on the first episode. Yes, he did. Fine.
00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:48.949
We'll spread the love. It's crazy that Mr. Clark
00:48:48.949 --> 00:48:58.039
is up there on the podium with them. Well, it
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.280
is time to clean up your evil lair and get ready
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:05.159
for our I was the turkey all along category for
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.380
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave
00:49:08.380 --> 00:49:12.099
with in preparation for season five. We've been
00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:13.980
talking about it for this entire first season.
00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:16.940
Getting the intricacies of Eleven's power, how
00:49:16.940 --> 00:49:19.139
they work and what happens to show exactly how
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:21.860
powerful she is, is, I think, one of the main
00:49:21.860 --> 00:49:24.159
takeaways. And, of course, the other main thing
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:25.920
that we've been talking about is for what purpose
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.099
is Will down there? What is going on in the gaps
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:31.780
that we don't see? When he's running, when he's
00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:33.480
being chased by the Demogorgon, how does he get
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.440
away? What's special about him? Because very
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.739
shortly, we're about to see that Will develops
00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:42.159
a tick on the back of his neck when he sees the
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.960
big shadow monster. So what's happened here?
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:47.639
I think those are the two things in preparation
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.679
for season five that you all should be speculating
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.539
about, thinking about, trying to formulate your
00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:54.860
own plans and then having a great time as we
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learn this information. Today's public service
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in a parallel world, make sure to cover your
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mouth lest an egg be laid inside you. Please,
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please. We don't want to lose any listeners to
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aliens exploding out of them in some way, shape
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or form. Or slugs coming up and being vomited
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into a sink. Yeah. Even if they turn into adorable
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little darts. Anyway, thank you, listener schmissners,
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