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To quote Brett the Hitman Hart, I am the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
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Oh, you didn't know.
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You're asked it by the call to Valley.
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It's me, it's me, it's the biggest mind, rolling with Jackie from the valley.
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Welcome to Everything on Nothing, where everything is connected and nothing really matters.
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I am your guide, Mickey, and if you ask me a question, I will answer it thoroughly.
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Joining me today is Jackie, my life partner and producer.
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Hello.
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And uh sitting on the side, guiding us and helping us along is Christian.
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Oh, I guess that won't play on audio.
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And it didn't play on video either.
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It was a real low budget special effect, levitating out of the chair.
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That would be, I wish that would be my rest.
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Oh, sorry, I'm gonna jump the post.
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Oh no, no, no.
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Uh, and for the first time ever, we are having a guest.
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Uh, and I've got to ask you a question.
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Can you smell what the Zach is cooking?
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I'm more of a WCW guy, but thank you for that intro.
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I really appreciate it.
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And I just have to come in with a little thing.
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We it's Zach isn't our first guest.
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Logan was here for one of the episodes, but he like peaced out early because he got sleepy.
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Yeah, he didn't count.
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He slept the whole time.
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Yeah.
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Sleepy soldier.
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As the person that edited it, I can tell you who that was not a guest.
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It was like a live viewer.
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Uh, no shade on him.
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Uh, he did uh he he does record uh with Ross McCoy at uh Tots with Ross.
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Yeah, uh the Orlando talk show with Ross McCoy.
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Um and yeah, when I whenever I handed over the that portion of the show, Ross is like, you don't want to be on the show?
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I'm like, no, I'm trying to get my kid, I'm trying to put my kid over, you know, like he's a baby face.
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I'm putting him with the heel and you know, getting him getting him over, so you know, get him getting him up on the ranks there.
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Uh so for people that don't know, Ross was for real a heel in our lives at one point.
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Like he he was a problem that we had to deal with.
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No exaggeration.
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And I'm not pulling in the female demographic like I uh also didn't used to.
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If it makes you feel any better, I was absolutely a heel in Ross's life for a little while.
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Every time I did a show for Ross, I would ask to go last so I could run the light, but I didn't know he didn't want me to do that.
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I was like, if you're going last at the end of the night, you can do an extra minute or two in Ross's like what is that secret comedy hack, up and coming comedians.
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Go last and then run the light.
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The host will like you.
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I was like, we're friends, he'll give you an extra minute, just assuming like an idiot, and he one night he rigged up the speakers to play the Oscar music pretty well.
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So that's exciting.
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That's fun for a show that doesn't have music at Bullenbush.
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I think every comedian who's ever hosted a show has the Oscar uh wrap-up music, like at least Googled.
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It may not be on the phone, but it's in the history.
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Well, I always just had Minus sitting off to the side.
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Uh who would just pick up a microphone and go, get off stage.
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Anyway, uh, I we used to go to the Bull and Bush and uh it eventually became the shit sandwich uh comedy show.
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And there was a time where uh I when Matt Gersting was still with us and he was running the show, he would just walk up on stage and start packing up like, oh, you're running light.
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Oh, go ahead.
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You can talk all you want, you're just not using my microphone anymore.
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And take it down the spotlight, we're taking the speakers away.
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Yeah, you're more than welcome.
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Go ahead, keep going.
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I can think of two comedians off the bat that would have taken advantage of that to their benefit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um you know, mentioning Alex again.
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Yeah, Alex Alex had the Alex could stand in the back of the room and project at the wall and still be heard.
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So yeah.
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Um and I think Larry Fulford could also pretty much project to anywhere.
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Uh because he's oh my my other one was Billy Myers.
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Yeah.
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That was uh project as well.
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Yeah, I don't know if you guys know this, but he's like known for in Los Angeles, like he's like the the dude that he the first like year he was out here, everybody like sort of like that that's crazy that he does that no mic thing.
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He's because you know he stopped you.
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I don't know if you guys know he stopped using a mic, he doesn't use a mic.
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I did not know that.
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I didn't know he had forgone the technology entirely.
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I knew it was a thing that he would go, he like, okay, we all I I know Billy, I know Zach.
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We used to do comedy in Central Florida, and yeah, occasionally the mic that the like host had or the venue had or you had had for 19 years would just give out or be shitty, and then you would just go, Okay, is anybody like food?
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So it's like yeah, so it's so it's that, but all the time.
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Florida.
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Like now he's bringing that to LA.
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They're like, That's nuts.
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We're just like, Yep, that's moments.
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What you gotta do in the outside show?
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From the very first time I saw that guy, I was like, he has the best command of a stage of anybody I've ever seen because he could just stand there and not say anything but still control the room.
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It's fucking crazy, yeah.
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So now he's at like the comedy store and the improv in Hollywood, and all this, like just not using a mic, and then somebody else, somebody else tried it because they saw that it was working for him, but they didn't know that there was like a year of getting everyone hates you for it, and then eventually everyone just accepts it.
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And kid tried it once, and everybody was like, Boo, he's never did it again.
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Before we start talking talking about wrestling, and I have to confirm something before I say this because this person might also be a wrestler, but on one of Billy's shows, I want to say last year he had somebody that I was in third grade with on his show.
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On on the rip rough, yeah, it was crazy.
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This uh kid, or I guess he was a kid when I knew him because I was in third grade named Poncho Moller uh was on uh his show.
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Uh he's known for being the world's first professional little person skateboarder.
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Uh so I thought he might be a wrestler too, but I do not see any information about him being a wrestler.
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But it was just so weird to see somebody that I went to elementary school with in Georgia show up on a show in Los Angeles that a person that I know is running.
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I was like, this is crazy.
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Yeah.
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So he was he was willing to play the game.
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Weird show.
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This show is not about that show, but I will say it's a very weird show.
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I gotta come see it one day.
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And and according to uh Heather Shaw, who we saw a year ago from the taping of this show, uh this episode, uh, if you can't be funny, be loud.
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And uh someone who is both loud and funny is David Jolly, who has recently been uh uh featured on a Sublime song.
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Yeah, we just we we listened to it last morning and almost lost our shit.
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Yeah.
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Oh, what's the name of it?
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Uh hold on, I'll tell you what the name of it is.
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I will tell you this the weirdest prayers come true.
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That's the name of the song is the problem with that is it makes me stoked, and it's like a minute-long song, and it's like David Jolly talking about how much he loves Sublime for like 30 seconds.
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It's fucking crazy.
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Wow, wow.
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Uh, and I'm gonna take a moment to say thank you to Kyle uh of Dear Sandy.
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Uh, they are they are absolutely not a sponsor.
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Uh he did allow me to use one of his songs as the theme song for this show, so uh, sharing the love at 2800 Northeast Sandy Boulevard in Portland, Oregon.
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And according to Ash Bumpus Martin, uh, they say that Dear Sandy pulls off the impossible by having a beautifully curated coffee shop during the day and an incredible cocktail bar at night.
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And uh, if you read any of the reviews, the vibes are fantastic.
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So if you are in the Portland area, check them out.
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Uh so uh, how you doing, Christian?
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Doing all right.
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Um settling in at the new job.
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Um lots of buttons to push, gotta say, and you gotta push them right, or people get real mad.
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Sometimes you push a button and people are like, Did you mean to push that button twice?
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And I'll be like, No, and I won't push a button at all.
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And they'll be like, Oh, that's worse than pushing it twice.
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So it's one of those jobs.
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It's one of those jobs.
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My my I I I like 3D print dentures, basically, is the is the shortest way to describe what I do um while still kind of being interesting.
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And I said that to my brother, and uh it's a CAD design position, and he's like, Well, this is just like push buttons and stuff.
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Like, I like yeah, like yeah, but I have to do all the right ones.
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I have to I have to have a really high hit rate on the accuracy of the buttons.
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It's like playing guitar hero, but there's no music, and if you mess it up, someone's teeth aren't right.
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And whether you're on stage or uh pushing buttons, you're making people smile.
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So that's you know, one way or another, you're gonna make someone smile.
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Uh how you been, Jackie?
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I am great.
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I am very excited.
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Next week I get to go see my favorite composer of all time perform live at the Jack White Masonic Temple Theater here in Detroit.
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And I bought one ticket just for myself, and it's a very good ticket, very near the front, and I'm gonna cry and I can't wait.
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And your lollipops are on sale today.
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Uh uh the recording.
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So, you know, if you're listening to this, it's there's a little bit of a delay because we have to go through processes.
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The boss wants everything done right, so uh it'll be a while before you actually hear it.
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But yes, Jackie has her uh what is it, a grand opening or grand reopening?
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Um no, they're they're not for sale.
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Stacey, uh one of my uh marketing clients, is a realtor here in the downriver area of Michigan, and uh she's have she also owns the ice cream stand in town, which is a walk away from our house.
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We could walk there if we wanted to after this.
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Um she's having a customer appreciation party for all of her real estate clients where she's giving them free ice cream and free lollipops.
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I invented a flavor for her uh called Summer Vacation, and it tastes like a virgin pina colada, and it's a beautiful blue-green color that matches the color of her logo with uh glitter in it.
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It's a good-looking lollipop.
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All right, and uh we've talked about him many times, the host uh and creator of uh Reasonably Afraid.
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You can hear him with the King of Kings Ray Reyes and uh a varying third chair from here to here, and also some of your guests.
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So you the guests that you pull into your show are absolutely amazing.
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He is the chairman of the board, he is the uh the big boss man of everything on nothing and reasonably afraid, and it is and is Zach Bennett, the uh Daytona or Dirtona King.
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Nice, nice to be here.
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Thanks for having me.
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Yeah, I gave Zach a list of topics, and and I said, which one do you want to talk about with us?
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And he said, the topic that we're talking about today.
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And the topic is how did the WWE get to be the top dog in wrestling?
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Yeah, or basically, or I has it written down in my list, WWE, why?
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And as everybody knows, it's a super wholesome, sweet, gentle story about friends, really, if we're being real.
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Yeah, uh, faith in humanity restored much.
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Christian, I gotta say, Christian looks like the guy who would lead a group of teenagers uh to take on the CIA in an 80s movie right now.
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Oh my god, yes.
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We've gotta go.
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They've been putting ass in the water since the 60s.
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You don't know, you think this is new?
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It's also known as the Randy Quaid in uh in a Roland Emmerich movie.
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I'm the Quaid.
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And um as far as deep dives go, uh, if we get if we if we did a real deep dive, uh this is a an eight-hour episode.
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So we'll probably circle back and and hit on some of the early, early deep dives.
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Maybe even if we get around to it, making a Patreon and make people pay for the extra, extra, extra deep dive.
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Uh, I will say that I can easily connect uh to most of the topics that we covered.
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For instance, uh Greco-Roman wrestling.
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Easy, easy there.
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Yeah, uh Steve Bushibi was a high school uh wrestler, if you didn't know that.
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Uh Tiny Tim was on the King's Court with the the King Jerry Lawler.
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And um, as far as religion is concerned, Jacob spent some time wrestling with an angel, and people are not quite sure if he was wrestling with God, the embodiment of God, if it was Jesus or if it was just the angel Michael, no one really knows.
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Uh going into going into punk rock, uh Lita from the uh the Hardy Boys Lita phase of like two around 2000, uh she was a badass and she broke uh after she left the WWF at the time.
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Uh she went on to create uh um it's a band called the Luchagores, and it is a punk rock band, and some of the music is if you like punk rock, it is right up your alley.
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Uh and then uh the big one is uh USA Network.
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We uh that is uh you know that's kind of what it started as.
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Um so there's a there's it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
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Probably even Neanderthals were wrestling.
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Most of the scientists agree that Neanderthals have a wrestler stock build.
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What about Woodrow Wilson though?
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Oh, uh so Woodrow Wilson, president of the United States.
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There have been 15, 14 uh US presidents that have been wrestlers.
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Most uh the the biggest one uh is Abraham Lincoln.
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There's actually newspaper articles about Jesse the Body Ventura.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Jesse the Body Ventura, the uh was that basically broke people's minds.
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Like, wow, how is he doing this?
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It's like, well, you know, Sonny Bono is you know a singer, and now he's a congressman.
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The guy from uh Beverly Hillbillies is a congressman, so you know side note, it is funny.
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I mean, uh Jesse the Body Ventura, I think was the became the governor of uh Minnesota.
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Minnesota, uh, and uh and that's very funny, but it's also just funny because it's like it keeps happening, and people are like, How does this keep happening?
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And it's like it's a familiar face, it's very obvious why it keeps happening, we know why it keeps happening.
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It's an easy trick.
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I have to be governor.
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And I it's it's also one of those things where you know there's big, big, beefy guys, and people don't realize that they're nerds.
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Wrestlers are nerds, they're they're basically too big to be in the drama club.
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Uh and like they're they're they're they're writers.
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Most of the wrestlers are writers.
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When I was a navy she's like it all happened whenever I I was trying out for the theater position, and there were they didn't, I was too big.
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They weren't so I needed an outlet.
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They wouldn't let me play Peter Pan because the strings couldn't hold me.
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Now, traditionally, that role is played by a woman.
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I don't know.
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I'm drifting into like a completely other wrestling.
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So uh part of my research is normally Mickey will buy me a book to read, and this week it was uh it's a comic book about wrestling, and near the end of it that I just finished this morning, they compared what did they say?
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I wrote it down.
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Um they said wrestling is burlesque for boys, and I have never felt anything harder because when you think about it, burlesque is like a way for women to take back like the their sexuality and present it in a way that they want to.
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The wrestling is a way for men to take masculinity and present it in some weird, stretched-out, comical way.
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So it's like a very good parallel, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, it's like uh it's the same thing you get when you when you look at like uh cable or like a Rob Liefeld comic, and you go, Hell yeah, brother, that's me.
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I'm that guy with no feet and huge 17 abs.
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That's me fighting like the represent a xenophobic representation of the Middle East or whatever we were doing.
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Uh so um we'll we'll start the deep dive in, I guess, what would be considered the modern era.
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Uh there like it goes all the way back.
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So skipping around to 1920-ish era, uh, people are traveling around doing carnivals, doing car like the sport of wrestling or the the the encompaniment of wrestling is coming from carnivals and carnival barkers, and that's why you know half the show is the talkie-talkie part, and uh then they go into the action-y action part, but it's it's people are drawn in by the the the carnival barker style of what it is, and uh some of the guys were like, Hey, it hurts going in and fighting someone, so why don't we pretend?
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Uh and they came up with uh kind of a way to do it without getting hurt, and uh a couple of them uh that had been deeply involved in the actual real hurting each other part of it uh got together and they sat down and they created the gold dust trio.
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And the gold dust trio uh started hiring people and saying, Hey, if you pretend to do this and then you lose, then you get paid more than if you won for realsies.
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And most people that were in the sport were like, Hey, you know what?
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:19.759
Sounds like a great idea because A, I don't want to get hurt no more, and B, more money's always better.
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So they move in, and uh, one of those gentlemen that is part of that uh trainee group is uh named McMahon.
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And that McMahon is the grandfather of uh the the sex trafficker or alleged sex trafficker, Vince McMahon.
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Very litigious alleged.
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And this is you know uh pre uh pre-television and even pre-radio for the most part, like uh after after World War I, then radios became a little bit more uh prevalent because uh there was an effort to produce more radios so that you know news whenever they found out that hey, we can use propaganda if we put it into newspapers, so let's try to spread the newspapers out there, and then it's like, well, you know, not everyone can read, and not everyone's going to read, so you know, let's put the propaganda on radio and make them easy to get to and give enticing ways to make people buy radios, and then again, whenever the television came along, they were like, Hey, this is a way to get propaganda to the people, let's make it affordable and get it out there, and then again with the internet and then social media and mobile phones and all that.
00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:51.200
So it's like every time there's a new technology, they're spreading it out, and uh it's just really funny to me the idea that it's like, yo man, have you heard of wrestling?
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.319
Like, no, what is that?
00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:58.160
Oh, it's like two like bozos like fight each other, and the guy tells you about it, like tells about it.
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Like, what is that?
00:21:59.039 --> 00:21:59.759
Oh, it's on radio.
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Oh, I'm still in a book.
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Like I'm oh what are these?
00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:05.759
Like$5?
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Maybe someday.
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Christian, you look, I feel like Christian has a good radio uh 1930.
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I was just about to say that it's so funny that Vince McMahon has apparently it's just like the the scheming is genetic.
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Like, sorry, I've got an idea, boys.
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Aren't you tired of being hit in the face for real?
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I say you take a few swings, the other guy ducks, each of you collects$20 instead of one of you getting 30.
00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.279
Like whatever the whatever the like fast talk and high trousers like deal was, you know.
00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:43.359
It's a little flim flam, thank you, ma'am.
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And out the door we go.
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Yeah, it is a crazy idea to think that like for because because really the radio thing is such a small chunk of time where that's all there was, like in between I mean it what is it like, it's like 10 years, 20 years where like it was like yep, yeah, and but there was like a chunk of time where people just listened to what was happening in entertainment.
00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:42.400
It's insane, even though we're doing podcasts now, so I guess that kind of is similar, but and and that goes in like the formula for anything entertainment, uh regardless of what it is, is you have a little bit of action and you have someone, uh a barker, uh car basically a carnival barker getting you in the door, whether it's a strip club or a wrestling event or or you know the the US Army trying to con children into going to war, whatever it is, there's always someone there just getting people in the door.
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:58.799
And then once the action, you know, while the action is happening, you have someone telling you how absolutely amazing and exciting that action is, whether it's football, hockey, baseball, whatever it is, there's always someone there to remind you how exciting it is.
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.440
Hell, they even have that in marble racing.
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Yeah, it's you know, like it's got what what did you do?
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Oh, there's a whole Marble Racing League.
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Uh, I was obsessed with it during the pandemic, like obsessed.
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Like I would watch every Marble Racing match.
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There's a Marble Olympics that with different um uh events like long jump and high jump and like marbles, yeah.
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:24.480
Uh-huh.
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There's teams, the teams have theme songs, the teams have fan groups, there's merch.
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It's wild.
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It's run by an autistic man in the Netherlands and it's I could have guessed that my mind's locked on Zach as soon as I heard autistic man just in the Netherlands completed that sentence beautifully.
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I'm just thinking that uh, you know, the maybe they could have rules for the different marbles.
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Uh to be completely fair, yes, it was an autistic guy pre like pre-pandemic, like three years, three years pre-pandemic, uh, this guy uh liked to build tracks for his marbles, and he got curious and was filming it.
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And you know, uh, he built it, build these really intricate, long, long tracks.
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Uh, he has uh hillside by his house that he would dig trenches and race these marbles and all this other stuff.
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There's snow ones too, and then people started watching those videos, and his brother uh was like, Hey, wait a minute, we can make money off of this.
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And it was like, Oh, okay.
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And then they found another one of the people that was watching these videos started asked permission.
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He's like, Hey, can I do voiceover and re-release them?
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And so then it just built up from there.
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And when pandemic hit, uh, there was no sports because you know everyone was separated and whatever, so all of the internet was like, We need sport, and here was this you know giant uh uh collection of videos of marbles going down a track, and then they built it up to you know, there was the regular league, there was uh Marbula One, oh yeah, baseball on Formula One, and literally Ferrari and BMW and all and Porsche sent money to sponsor marbles.
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:40.960
Not only that, John Oliver sponsored them one time, and they were on ESPN during the the pandemic too because they replaced other sports, but yeah, John Oliver sponsored them for one one whole season.
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And Marbula One, from what I've seen, is also like I'm just gonna say that with a straight face.
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Uh, but it's the the camera work is like they are mimicking the camera work of like a of like an F1 race.
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And they have like the the leaderboard on the sides, the whole it has all of the sports things that you would expect out of a normal sport, but it's just marbles going back.
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.480
Where did they add sound effects like them going past the thing?
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I don't know how much the Sometimes the marbles get injured and uh very dramatic.
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Like one time two marbles ran into each other in in one of the Olympic sports, and like one of the marbles got cracked and they had medic marbles come on and take them off.
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.200
It's it's that was in the Marble Olympics, yeah.
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Yeah, I love I love it so much.
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And I and I do want to say also, just like I we we make the joke, I made the joke that like ah, of course it's autism.
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Um and I do not mean that in in any kind of menacing or mean way.
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God bless everyone's special interest for be like filling out YouTube with like content I did not know I needed in my life.
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Uh it's just that whenever you're like, man, who would care enough to do that?
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.519
It's like a Scooby-Doo episode, and you're like, Mr.
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Jenkins.
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You know, it was you all along.
00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:02.079
I like that Mickey said to be fair, to start the next thing, and then went on to describe more autism.
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.839
No, no, no, no.
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I am one like before it all started, before it went all downhill and involved humans, uh, I was an autistic person at work, and I needed uh anytime someone said something stupid, I needed something to basically wind me down before I ripped into them and did autism all over their face.
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And uh so I came like I was watching um like you know the old screensaver that would just bounce around, it was the the lines just bouncing around and or whatever it was, and I got bored with that, and then I found him uh I found the marbles just doing the tracks, and I would watch uh it was just a run.
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It wasn't at the time he was just running different marbles, and then uh it would calm me down, and then I could go deal with humans, and then it slowly crept in, like the humans slowly crept into my little play play yard, so yeah, it got ruined for me.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:14.400
Um, uh I don't think anybody who's listening to this podcast would be on the wrong side of thoughts about autism.
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If you've gotten this far in this podcast, that's true.
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That's true.
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Looking at the episode list alone would scare off most neurotypicals, I believe.
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Uh I did well, I was just gonna say, I I got you know, I got to go on the road with a buddy of mine who uh who has an almost I would say to be generous, only 80% of the audience is autistic.
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:48.960
Uh but I mean like it's like you know, the like it's annoying in comedy to listen to people have all these takes on.
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I know this isn't on topic, I'm sorry.
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Um but uh listen to all these people have because comics are just some of the dumbest fucking people I've ever met in my entire life, and um or at least they're they're talking more than the other dumb people.
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:17.279
Uh but listening to people talk about autism and then getting to go on the road with a buddy who has almost his entire audience is made of autistic people.
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I have never met such kind, sweet, I had to learn to be nicer on stage because I'm used to neurotypical drunk fuck faces.
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So I had to stop coming out and screaming at them because I would scare them and I didn't mean to, I was just trying to engage them, but I forgot that much like trying to hug Jackie when you shouldn't, it's it's it's you gotta meet them and then because they're already in, because they're seeing the guy they like.
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.039
They I they you don't have to trick them.
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And and I I got to know this, like this crowd over like two years of touring, and I've never met kinder people, more thoughtful.
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.079
They like they like they're like, oh, this is yours, I'll buy it because you seem nice.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:18.400
Like, yeah, like it really like it made me go like, oh, if everybody was was like I I've been working on a bit about it, I don't know how to make it funny yet, but the idea is basically like if everybody just stops staring each other in the eyes and shut the fuck up for a little bit, maybe the world would be a bad.
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.119
Like it's crazy to me that people are like villainizing autism.
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It's like they're the good ones, what are the bad ones?
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These vaccines make you nice and like marbles a lot.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We have infrastructure, what a terrible make you want to be an engineer.
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Sorry, that's my little tangent.
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I apologize.
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Um, okay, so back on track.
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Uh literally, uh I got a different spicy.
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Uh so uh the Gold Dust Trios start spreading their uh their version of wrestling, and it it goes like people come in, visit them, and they're like, hey, go go to Kansas City and do this, and hey, go to Minnesota and do this, and hey, go to Las Vegas and do this.
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:20.480
And uh they did they essentially created the uh National Wrestling Alliance, the NWA, not to be confused by the other NWA.
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Uh and there were some be some people say it's 12 uh divisions, but it was more like 40.
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And uh the McMahon uh the eldest McMahon uh took over the region that included New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and all the way up through uh New England up till Maine.
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And the crown jewel of that was Madison Square Garden.
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And Madison Square Garden has had epic battles, like even in the 1800s, uh there whatever was in place of uh Madison Square Gardens, they had fights.
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:38.079
There's uh uh one of the sites I went to is When It WasCool.com, and they have an article, The Ultimate History of Pro Wrestling, and that was written by the Dragon King Carl, and it goes like he's got uh uh lists and lists all the way back to uh ancient Sumeria, seven, seven, you know, you know, BCs and all this other stuff, and then once you start getting into the 1800s, it's like, oh, there was this article in England, there was this article in New York, there was this article in here, blah blah blah talking about all these fights.
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:51.519
But modern day wrestling, the uh the scripted stuff uh was you know, early two uh 1920s and stuff, and and the McVans took uh essentially the crown jewel.
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Uh it's kind of like the reason they have uh um salary caps in baseball is that if you have a lot of fans, you make a lot of money, you can pay bigger talent, and then you're always going to win, and it just kind of tips the scale.
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And that's kind of what happened is is they got a lot of uh action because a lot of people were coming to Madison Square Garden, a lot of people in New York, and they're seeing this, so they started getting a little bit more money, and they kind of rotated everyone in and out, and um, so each little group, each of these 40 little um uh sectors or or regions uh had their group of wrestlers, and then they had uh their home champion basically, and then the NWA had an overall champion.
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:56.320
So he the overall champion would travel from place to place, add a little bit of credibility to the hometown regions, and you know, battle their top guy or their bad guy or whatever it is and put on a great show.
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And um and then Vince Sr.
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:18.960
uh started wrestling and then quickly moved into promotion and stuff and and kind of made uh the guys that he was working with, uh including like uh Bruno Sam Martino and Gorilla Monsoon, um basically took over uh for the the that region.
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:25.679
It was called the WWWF at the time, the the World Wide Wrestling Federation.
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Make it really, really hard for kids to say.
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Um so skipping ahead, you know, they went through the 60s and had a boom time, and like all you know, little old ladies, uh you know, it used to be a trope in a lot of movies where the little old lady uh is actually sitting down smoking cigarettes and watching wrestling and stuff, but that was very true.
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:59.920
Like they had a very solidified um audience, and then the next generation of people were like, oh, that's grandma stuff or whatever.
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.400
So it kind of dipped down in the 70s.
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Um and everyone started kind of the the rule was if you're if you're in this region, you don't put your stuff on television in this region.
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:36.159
They they kind of circled around like the local channels back in the day, you know, you had UHF and VHF, and uh the UHF channels were you know they needed some content, so the wrestlers would have like late Saturday night wrestling, and you know, it was cheap television to put on, and you know, they could still sell some ads.
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:50.960
Uh but uh you the the rule was if you're from Connecticut, you don't play your wrestling television show in Ohio, and if you're in Ohio, you don't play your wrestling television show in Minnesota or or and Georgia.
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.559
Simple Ohio minds couldn't take it.
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:01.920
Uh and yeah, the other crown jewel in in the Empire uh was Atlanta.
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Atlanta had a lot of diehard wrestling fans, and then uh uh so that kind of goes into the the next portion of the story.
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:18.960
Um Vince J, uh Vince Jr., uh Vince McMahon Jr., the alleged sex trafficker.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:29.440
Uh see, it's kind of he is a bad guy in this because he broke all the you know, he he basically uh uh disruptor.
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:40.239
Uh we we got to see that in the early internet days of the disruptors coming in and oh, we're gonna do Uber and put all the taxi cabs out of the out of the way because the taxi system is terrible or whatever.
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And he came in and he's like, Oh, this is you know, this system is terrible and we're gonna take over.
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But in his slight defense, there were a lot of people that started pushing out.
00:37:51.840 --> 00:38:06.719
Uh part of it was you know, uh Ted Turner and TPS uh started his satellite, you know, started broadcasting his UHF channel over satellite and reaching other markets and kind of dipping in.
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:22.320
And then there were people in the Midwest that were starting to buy you know uh off hour uh things to so they could kind of get a little spread out of you know, everyone, everyone's kind of manspreading and you know, getting a little ballroom going.
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.880
It's like a TD land rush, kind of.
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:25.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:26.800
Exactly.
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It was like, okay, uh everyone had their space, but it was like, oh well, no one's gonna no one's gonna notice if I just move in, you know, if I put this on the air in Ohio on a Saturday Saturday night at 12, you know, a midnight, you know, a midnight showing of whatever.
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:58.000
And it was an inevitability too, like at that time, that was while everybody was like like Christian said with like the land rush thing, it's like like cable is slowly converging and being created at the time.
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:07.599
So like uh not not to say this is right for everything, but when it comes to something like a new technology, it's like somebody's somebody's doing that.
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:18.880
So like the of course it's gonna be the guys who are like the most organized, most money behind it, and able to like kind of take advantage when the iron's hot.
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.519
Our our product isn't selling in this market instead of abandoning this market.
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.760
Let's convince this market that they need wrestling or that they need wrestling.
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:31.599
Buy their market and then put your guys into it too.
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.039
Yeah, like it's they they like hack the matrix on how people want things, like people like, well, they don't want it.
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:38.400
Like, guess we're out of here.
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And then, like, other people are like, no, it's a psychology thing.
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.719
You push the lever hard enough.
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If you just put it in front of them, they will they'll eat it eventually.
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.039
That's what they're doing right now with AI.
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.159
Yeah, I feel like.
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:49.039
Oh, yeah.
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.639
If you sell it, they will buy.
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.559
It's it's literally working.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.159
I'm working on an AI film.
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.719
I've turned evil, finally.
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.360
I'm working on an AI film.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:10.639
Yeah, and it's it's it comes, it comes to the point where if you don't give in, if you don't do it, you're the sucker that's that's losing out.
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.559
But it's like at what you know, you hold on to your your morals as long as you can.
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:43.679
And and Vince from day one didn't have any, so he just kind of started pushing the buttons, and you know, Ted Turner's pushing his, and there were a couple people in Texas, and and uh I think Ohio also had some people go in, and so you know there's people that were pushing into it that it was gonna happen, but Vince is the name that we could put as the bad guy who did it, so let's let's just pile on him.
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.400
One of the move first, right?
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:59.760
Yeah, and if you listen to our second episode about the USA Network, it started off as a sports channel just broadcasting stuff that was happening at Madison Square Garden.
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And what was happening at Madison Square Garden?
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:11.199
The newly named World Wrestling Federation, because you know the worldwide wrestling federation was a little bit of a mouthful, so they shortened it a little bit.
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:27.280
And so Vince is now positioned to broadcast across the nation, and with that contract, he well, uh before that, he went to his dad and said, I would like to buy it from you and your partners.
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:33.599
And his partners were getting old and tired, and uh they were like, Well, let's make a bet.
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:44.960
I don't think the kid can do it, so let's uh so Vince told them that he would pay them a million dollars for it at the time, which was you know pretty good money.
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.599
And uh the deal was uh he had two payments to make.
00:41:49.760 --> 00:42:02.159
One was like$200,000, and then the next one was the rest of the million dollars at the end of the year, and if he didn't pay it, all ownership reverted back to the previous owners, and he didn't get a refund.
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So if I'm if I own something and I want to retire and someone makes that bet, I'm getting paid either way, why not make that?
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:33.280
So he basically bet the farm and uh made a few contracts, spent a lot of money, and he went to some of the wrestlers that he had been in contact with over the years, uh, including Hulk Hogan, Roddy Roddy Piper, and um, who were the other ones?
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:48.320
Uh there were a couple other ones, uh Ricky, uh no, uh yeah, Ricky Steamboat, uh, and some some pretty good big names that were maxing out their pay in whatever region they were from.
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:56.320
And here's this offer to make a lot more money and get exposed to a lot more people, and everyone jumps ship.
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.599
So now all the good talent is going to the WWF.
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:13.199
The WWF is paired up and signed up with USA, and they get a nice little show every week in households across the nation, and they started making money.
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah.
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.639
By the way, that USA network episode is great, guys.
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But that thing is so cool.
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:31.280
I was like, like, I think if you grew up in the 90s, like learning about the USA network is I like I'm still blown away with how prolific it was.
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.280
Like it was a big fucking deal.
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:34.239
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:40.880
It it sort of makes you feel you're like, oh, okay, it's all been on like a weird assembly line for for a while now.
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:41.280
Yeah.
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.199
Oh, I love the Ninja Turtles.
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.840
No, you were you were made to learn love the Ninja Turtles.
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:47.280
That was the plan.
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:59.599
And you know, with the uh Cartoon Network uh the USA Cartoon Express, uh during you know, children are watching this cartoon and all of a sudden.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:07.920
This loud cartoonish man comes yelling and screaming at you, but not screaming at you, but screaming to get your attention.
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.280
A carnival barker.
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.760
It's like, hey kids, go on and play this game.
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.079
All you gotta do is stab yourself in the face.
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.960
These are serious men.
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.320
These are athletes.
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:31.599
So you get that, you know, they locked in an audience really quickly with children of the 19 of the early 1980s.
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.039
And you know, the dads now have an excuse to watch.
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.039
I was like, oh, wrestling's silly.
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.559
And my dad was like uh locked in.
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:51.280
Like my dad was a giant child, and until the day he died, he was a giant child, and he like he used us as an excuse to watch wrestling.
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:52.400
And confirm.
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.840
And I think it's like it's like, oh, that's silly, that's so dumb.
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.760
And then you like see Andre the Giant.
00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.599
You're like, hold on, what's that?
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.360
I gotta sit down and see what's going on here.
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:05.440
Like, what did they what is this?
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:27.920
Yeah, and it just coincided with with all that stuff with the 80s, of like, you know, these the the action figures and the yeah, and then that that weird because it was in that gray area of like how the 80s didn't really like the 80s when they figured out they should have a PG 13 rating because they were like, well, maybe people don't need to see a guy rip another dude's heart out of his chest and have that be PG.
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:36.000
That's we we made some mistakes, and I think it was it's funny that wrestling was getting popular at that same time, right?
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:55.199
At least in terms of the like the like the like big blow up of WWF, like to have these people doing these, even though it was theatrical, doing these acts of violence, and it's children watching, but we were also watching like Dark Crystal and getting like nightmares, and then like uh the G.I.
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:00.719
Joe movie from like '88 is done by the people who did heavy metal, it's insane.
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.400
Like, whoa, it's awesome, it's better than any episode because they're like, we have to make a movie.
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.119
Who should we get?
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:14.079
Like, get the guys that like do like like flying tits in this other movie, and then let's make it for kids.
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.360
It's so yeah, that time frame is just so wild.
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:24.079
Well, uh part and part of the deal uh to bring some of the older folks along was Gorilla Monsoon.
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:34.239
Like he was a fan favorite for a very long time, he's owner of the company, he's getting paid out, but his contract also stipulates that he is employed for the rest of his life.
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.119
Yeah, as long as the company exists, he is employed.
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.400
So, like for Gorilla Monsoon, it's a it's it's a no-lose situation whatsoever.
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:52.559
And he gets to sit behind the desk and be the guy telling you how exciting it is, and you know, he's just this big friendly face and he's got a booming voice and stuff like that.
00:46:52.960 --> 00:47:03.119
And then uh, you know, with the USA network, part of the deal eventually uh they actually made a uh cartoon of the WWF.
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.239
Little animated uh Mr.
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:11.679
T or little animated uh Hulk Hogan running around with uh little animated uh junkyard dog.
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.320
Junkyard dog also was one of the one of the guys that uh Vince McMahon stole.
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:23.280
He was from uh the Louisiana sector, and they pulled him up to be like, hey, kids are gonna love you.
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.000
Come on.
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.440
They had to get them fighting people, but he was fine after that.
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.079
Was this what we're what year are we in right now with with the animated the cartoon?
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.679
Oh, that I think the cartoon was like 83.
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.760
Yeah, uh USA, like the start of USA was like 1983.
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:40.320
85.
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:41.119
85.
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.320
So 85, okay.
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:54.559
Is this like the genesis of we are not like we're we're clearly marketing this to kids, but we're not like this is sort of an adult things are happening, the kids just love it.
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.960
Uh we're writing like a heightened reality.
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:04.159
Uh where like Robocop was getting toys and cartoons, and Terminator was getting like these very like adult properties.
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.639
Is this like is is wrestling kind of the spear tip of that, or was that happening already?
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:14.960
Uh no, it I think it was happening in all like it was the cocaine in the 80s was uh the big thing.
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.920
So but even before that somewhere.
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:27.360
But just getting started, um, you know, they had a Saturday night show and it was supposed to be for adults, it was a little more adult-oriented and whatever.
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:44.400
Um, and they just simply started taking over the TV, and not only did was he on USA, but he's also uh kind of doing with a little bit of extra money, he's buying little uh other um hours and stuff on television elsewhere.
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.760
Just he's basically infecting as much as he can.
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:55.840
And meanwhile, Ted Turner's uh I don't think Ted Turner was involved, but he was kind of involved, was started to spread.
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:00.960
Uh Jim Crockett uh in from Atlanta was spreading as well.
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:08.239
Uh he's infecting as much as he can, and that's not just Stacy Keebla, folks.
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:17.519
Um and then going into uh uh I think it yeah, going into 85.
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:29.519
Well, okay, building up to 85, you had uh the start essentially George Lucas kind of proved the point where you make more you make more money off of toys than you do off of that.
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:47.920
So like they had little thumb wrestler uh that like basically the uh an action figure with a hole in the back, you would stick your thumb in there and try to thumb wrestle, and they never worked right, but everyone bought them because they were cheaper and they they cheap to make too, like just hunks of rubber.
00:49:48.320 --> 00:50:06.159
And so for making something for 10 cents a piece and they're selling it for two dollars at every little low anywhere you had a toy shelf, uh drug like there was drug stores, um, grocery stores, uh you know, department stores, wherever it was.
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.800
Anytime that there was a toy, there was a G.I.
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.199
Joe, a matchbox, and then WWF wrestlers.
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:18.719
Yeah, throw them in the throw them in the fast food bag for the kids, incentivize people to buy that.
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:24.559
Like was Star Wars, this is just like side thing, but was I'm thinking timeline.
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.760
Star Wars might have been the first action figure.
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.320
I mean, not the first action, but I mean the the beginning of the 80s action figure thing.
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.800
Yeah, it feels the most successful push.
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.679
It's the most successful push of like of that idea.
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.159
Because it would have started around Empire Strikes Back would have been like them being like, Oh, we should probably make this extra market.
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:58.079
It feels like that was like it was 78 was Star Wars, and they released the action figures, but it was minimal, not minimal, but you know, there was a stormtrooper, there was Darth Vader, there was Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, blah blah blah blah.
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.519
And they were more those, like uh those like not G.I.
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.840
Joe style, but like the larger sort of like velvet style.
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.360
I think these were plastic, but they were lower quality.
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.679
Okay, yeah, they were the same size as the G.I.
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.519
Joe action figure, but at the time, G.I.
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.920
Joe was the full Barbie doll, right?
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:27.440
And then they shrunk it down and made just the they punched it through a bunch of molds, and every like everyone in the back cantina of Star Wars had an action figure.
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:44.960
And then whenever and then uh because the of the success of that, whenever Empire Strikes Back came around, uh it was oh, here's Luke uh with his Tauntaun, here's Luke in the snowsuit, here's Luke with the black suit, here's Luke with this.
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:52.159
So in in the original, there was one Luke Skywalker, there was one Darth Vader, one Obi, one Kenobi.
00:51:52.320 --> 00:52:00.559
And when Empire Strikes Back came out, there were four uh, you know, they had a special ghost uh Obi-Wan or whatever it was.
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:02.320
So they copied Barbie.
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:03.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:04.400
So it's Barbie.
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:05.519
Sorry, it's Barbie.
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:17.199
I know my my friend uh that lived next door had like seven Luke Skywalkers, and they were all different, and you know, had several different uh uh Princess Leyas, and you had a couple Han Solos.
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:23.840
I think I mean you can't do much with Darth because it's you know black, you know, the black suit, and that's it.
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:27.519
Um but then they started uh and then G.I.
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:38.800
Joe's like, oh, we could do one better, and they came out with the the action figures that had bendable arms and bendable legs and highly rubber bands scenarios for like a given action figure.
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.119
It's like molasses spill shipwreck.
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.000
Like what?
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.840
I used to really like to test those arms and legs, man.
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.119
I could bend them back and forth until they broke.
00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:00.480
The people that got mad that there's a black stormtrooper would lose their fucking mind just to make it.
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.760
Uh yeah, Dave Filoni just comes out and says, by the way, Anakin Skywalker was gay the whole time.
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.280
Yeah, begrudgingly.
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.360
Yeah.
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.159
Obi Mone was his beard.
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:27.039
Uh but uh the the the original gamble paid off uh and he did make his his money, he did make the payments and kind of skated by and then started getting a little cocky.
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:28.719
Yeah, he barely made it, right?
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:44.960
The initial yeah, he just barely made the first pay, you know, the the the first big balloon payment and skated by and it was like, oh whoo! Yeah, uh and then for a couple of years, like one or two years, he did all right, and then he started pushing his luck again.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:54:01.360
And uh then came uh essentially he wanted to invade Atlanta, and so he bought uh he asked for time on TBS, and tur Ted Turner was like, nah, nah, yeah, we're good, we're good.
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:14.559
And so uh Vince McMahon went and purchased Georgia um wrestling federation or something, whatever Georgia uh was called, which happened to be W.
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:24.639
They they had a show called World Championship Wrestling, and but it was the Georgia Wrestling Alliance or something like that.
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:32.400
So uh Vince McNam bought that so that he could have the time slot because the time slot was part of that.
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:41.679
And the thing that could have happened to professional wrestling is that move right there just changed the entire course of history.
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.320
Everything, yes, it changed everything.
00:54:44.480 --> 00:55:12.960
Uh Saturday night comes, and pe and you know, uh all the folk in Georgia are tuning in to watch their, you know, uh, I think it was uh the um Road Warriors and Ole Anderson, and when they turn it on, it's Vince McMahon's chubby cheeks looking into the camera saying that uh uh hey, now you're gonna get to watch uh World Wrestling Federation.
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:40.239
And part of the contract was that it was supposed to be live events, but Vince basically played tapes of all of his WWF stuff, and it tanked and people got angry, and then Ted Turner started using legal maneuvers to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, look, we want live wrestling, and you're not giving us live wrestling, you're violating the contract, so I'm taking this TV spot away from you.
00:55:40.800 --> 00:56:10.000
And uh in that uh Vince had already laid out a bunch of money going up to what was WrestleMania, and in order to pay for WrestleMania, he had to dump something, and so he dumped uh the new Georgia uh wrestling alliance that he purchased and he gave it to um oh no, he sold it to Jim Crockett Jr.
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:19.360
And uh hoping that Jim would be a friend, and then after if WrestleMania paid off, then he would come back and deal with Jim and all that stuff.
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:26.320
But as soon as Vince walked away and started planning WrestleMania, Jim Crockett turned around and sold it to Ted Turner.
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.239
And Ted Turner's like, we're in the wrestling business now.
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:32.559
I love it.
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:45.039
And immediately that's when Ted Turner rebranded it and called it World Championship Wrestling, and just a big fucking middle finger, like like great old interviews.
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.119
You could listen to him just talking about how much he fucking hates Vince McMahon.
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:56.639
Uh and there's a great article by uh uh it's a piece that Joe Bob Briggs from The Last Drive In wrote.
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.639
Uh it's um I forget what the exact title is.
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:10.320
It's not it's like it's not in defense of Ted Turner, but it's like why Ted Turner's uh loss, like why Ted Turner dying is like a greater loss than you think, or something.
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:17.280
And it's like him describing why like every fight he's had with any businessman turned out to be the biggest piece of shit.
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:23.199
It's like Ted Turner has like like uh pieces shit dar.
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:33.360
And he's like, everybody he's ever picked a fight with is somebody who who absolutely deserved to be picked on and was a fucking asshole.
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.280
Yeah, Ted Turner was autistic, yeah.
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:43.360
Sense of justice, like like the the obvious thing to him, right?
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:44.880
And he's like, No, I got money.
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:47.519
I'm doing wrestling too.
00:57:47.679 --> 00:58:04.079
This is the part in like the the this feels like the beginning of like the Lord of the Rings, people explaining like the Lord of the Rings universe and like why wrestling is the way it is, and this is the part during that movie where Judy Dench or whoever would be like, and so the wrestling walls began.
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.199
It feels like the real kickoff of what I know of as professional wrestling.
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:25.920
Like you had people who were like, I think died in the wool, like one or the other, and I don't know if that was a later, I think that rivalry thing like persisted into almost to the today era where it feels a little more like I don't know, maybe that's a product.
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:26.239
I don't know.
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:31.360
I don't even know if there is a rivalry between different wrestling things, but this feels like the beginning of that.
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.639
Oh, it is absolutely 100% the beginning of that.
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:47.199
Uh, but it kind of that rivalry kind of dies down because Vince has basically taken every penny that he has and invested in WrestleMania, and it is one of the biggest games.
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:57.119
Like Vince is successful because he's extremely lucky, like it's just very, very lucky.
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:01.119
Um, like he was able to pay off the first payment, huh?
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:09.199
I was gonna say when you're that lucky, that rich, and that uh lacking of conscience, it's it's like there's so many things can happen.
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:11.519
The world just opens up for you.
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:21.039
Like, literally, if if WrestleMania fails, he's out of business, and everyone that works for him is out of a job.
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:35.440
And uh, so he started connecting, uh, you know, famous, you know, connecting with famous people and finding the right amount of of uh pressure to put on them.
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.599
Uh and again, luck.
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:45.920
Um, Cindy Lopper's manager is on a on a plane and sitting next to Captain Lou Albano, who's going to an event.
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:56.480
And the manager is just an absolute uh geek for for wrestling, and he's like, I don't want to be rude or anything, but you're Captain Lou, right?
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:58.239
And Captain Lou's like, yeah.
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:03.920
And the guy's like, Oh, I represent Cindy Lopper, and Captain Lou happened to be a Cindy Lopper fan.
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.519
He's like, Hey, would you like to be in a music video?
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.119
And Captain Lou's like, Oh, shit, yeah, dude, I would.
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:15.519
So goes and films uh uh girls just want to have fun.
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.800
And Cindy Lopper is just an absolutely amazing lady.
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:26.639
Everything that I've ever read about her, every time I've heard her speak, she's just an absolutely wonderful person.
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:33.360
And Captain Lou is actually a decent human being, and they get along amazingly.
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:38.079
And Captain Lou's like, hey, we've got this big event coming up.
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:39.760
Would you like to be a part of that?
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.079
And Cindy's like, sure, I'll be that, I'll be that.
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:53.760
Uh, and then they get Liberace, um, like who is trying to not be a wrestler, huh?
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.840
Trying to not be a wrestler but dress like one still, yeah.
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:14.800
Uh, and also trying to ward off like it the early 80s was very anti-gays, and so he's trying to prove that he's not gay, and uh you know Muhammad Ali is is right before his mental health decline.
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:22.719
Um, and then uh again, lucky uh Hulk Hogan had just finished Rocky and making friends with Mr.
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:23.280
T.
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.519
And uh so it's like, hey bud, you want to do this?
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:40.559
So, like all this celebrity involvement is like there's a lot of backroom friendships and and luck on on Vince's part, and then you know, brand new technology.
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:54.159
Uh, I don't know if anyone knows this, but uh in the early 80s, a pay-per-view meant that you went to an arena that had giant screens, and then the satellite broadcast to those venues.
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:02.400
And uh you basically like you were going to a sporting event, you'd buy a ticket and sit in the stadium or arena and stuff.
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:15.760
And uh it just so happens in Pittsburgh, it was a like Pittsburgh out of all the other cities was the only one that failed, which is amazing with brand new technology that only one of those venues failed.
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:29.760
And uh Vince pivoted and said, I apologize, and to the people of Pittsburgh, uh, we will put it on air and then sold ass tons of ads for it.
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.239
So he made even more money than all the money that people had bought on tickets.
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.440
So then he was like, uh, next time we know what to do.
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.360
So everyone pretend to be an honest businessman, yes.
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:51.440
So so uh 11-year-old Mickey got to sit on the couch and watch WrestleMania the very first WrestleMania, and it was absolutely amazing.
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.039
What year was that?
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:54.719
Uh 1985.
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:05.840
It wasn't engineered though, it was it was genuinely like he felt bad, like uh he felt like he'd let down the market at the very least in in Pittsburgh and he wanted to do it as a Maya culpa.
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:18.320
Uh it started off as um, I don't know if there was any leading uh legal stuff that was in the background, but there was almost there, there was like they were on the verge of riots.
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:23.599
Okay um and like throwing trash all over the civic arena in Pittsburgh.
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:28.000
Tim and he's not the hero we deserve right now, but he's the hero we need, Vince.
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:34.079
Uh but yeah, I I'm sure that he did the calculations and found out that oh, we if we did this, we could make money.
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:38.800
And I don't think he did it out of the kindness of his heart, but okay, uh plus yeah, no, certainly not.
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:48.960
Yeah, but and seeing like how many people like they they collected the numbers and it's like, oh, every week on USA, this number of people tune in to watch us.
01:03:49.199 --> 01:04:04.639
So, you know, it's good for business because there are a lot of people, and a lot of people are gonna tune in, not to mention uh by providing it for this entire uh region, um, we're gonna bring in some new fans as well.
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:12.960
On top of that, Northeast is already a lock for them, like going back to the to to the past before everything's closed circuit.
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:22.639
So if you're gonna be able to get anybody to like Northeast is gonna be your territory from the old days anyway, so that's a good if it's gonna happen anywhere, you'd want it to be there.
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.840
You're fighting for you're fighting for territory and it looks like you're gonna lose it, you're gonna try and do what you can to grab it back.
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:39.119
Um but but did they also have to come up with technology to actually get the pay-per-view like because I assume you had to go to a stadium because like that would have the technology to do that.
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:49.440
So to get it in the TV, I think we may have talked about this on the USA episode, but was there another thing that they invented to get that into your TV directly and have you pay for it?
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.199
Was that like their innovation?
01:04:51.280 --> 01:05:14.239
Or I think they were still they were still working on it, and it was like uh the the first WrestleMania was kind of proof of concept, like hey, we could do this on this level, and while while they're doing that, you know, the cable companies were working, the company cable companies were already working on something and it just didn't make it in time, so it was like, oh, we'll do this.
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.239
Because it started on satellite, right?
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.920
Was satellite was the first pay-per-view, and then after that.
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.280
And then if we could broadcast it anyway, but have make them have to pay extra for it.
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.199
Like I went this close to cracking the technology.
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:35.840
And I I think like the next year, I think WrestleMania 2 was an actual real pay-per-view in the house.
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:36.480
Right.
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:44.480
I was looking at a list of celebrities who have been on uh WrestleMania, and WrestleMania 2 seems unhinged.
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.320
Like Cab Calloway was there, G.
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:48.000
Gordon Litty was there.
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:50.079
Like, what is happening?
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.280
In the stands, Cab Calloway.
01:05:54.079 --> 01:06:40.239
So WrestleMania 2 was a learning experience, basically, uh like when you didn't Study and you're learning as you're taking the test, like oh uh that's what WrestleMania 2 was because they tried to do three cities and simulcast, and like while they're setting up one thing in uh in one city, they're you know, they're they're rearranging everything in two cities while playing it on TV from the the first city, and then the next match would be from the second city while they're playing it in these other cities, and they were like, Yeah, this failed on so many they they barely squeaked by, they made a profit, but they there was a lot of insanely ambitious, yeah.
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.960
Yeah, that seems like a big project.
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:51.199
And then um basically the big time event uh is WrestleMania 3.
01:06:52.159 --> 01:07:14.400
And uh by all accounts, it was what changed the entire course of wrestling history uh in that they they reconsolidated, they had uh it going to the TVs at home, they got everyone signed up, they learned how to promote it through the year and have the buildup and all that stuff.
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:27.440
Uh they had a really good storyline going in uh where uh Andre the Giant got tired of just messing around and he signed up and uh joined up with Bobby Heenan's team.
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:43.840
Uh he had just gone through like he lost a big match to John uh Big John Stud and or uh Brutus the Barber Beefcake, and Brutus the Barber Beefcake uh cut his hair, so we went from a long hair Andre to a short hair Andre.
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:54.239
And then uh because of that turn uh Andre started hating Hulk Hogan and uh big rivalry, so everybody wanted to see it.
01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:03.119
And uh the in order to win the match, uh you had to slam your opponent for Andre, not a big deal.
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:10.639
Well, in everyone's eyes, it wasn't a big deal, but Andre had a bad back and and he knew he was on his way out.
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:25.760
Uh, but trying to lift no one had ever slammed Andre the Giant, so this was a thing that never, you know, no one could see Hulk Hogan doing it, and it was like everybody's gonna tune in to see this, and they did in huge numbers.
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:27.600
It's still remarkable to watch.
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:28.319
It's you're insane.
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:29.199
Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:30.159
So insane.
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.720
And they did a really, really, really good job of building an undercard to to put it all together.
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:41.840
So it was like uh by all accounts, every it was a flawless event.
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:44.640
It was just flawless event.
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:57.840
And um the only thing is, you know, uh it's something that we would see later in politics where Vince McMahon just swore it was the biggest crowd ever for a sporting event.
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:25.760
And you know, the you know threw up some numbers, and other people were like, okay, this section's empty, and if you subtract out the you know, like getting a map of the arena, and it's like, okay, but they that uh it was in Detroit, and um you know they had they were like, Yeah, we're getting this stadium because it can house the most people, uh, and you know, they filled it out, and from all the TV angles, it looked like it was packed from packed to the raffers and all that stuff.
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:33.520
So uh whenever Hulk Hogan lifted Andre and slammed him down, it was like that was that was it.
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:40.560
It was like now we're now we can shift into gear and start spending the money that we're we're making.
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.279
It's no longer a gamble, it's a guarantee.
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:50.640
Yeah, the spectacle with storyline like really matching up and the technology all at the same time.
01:09:50.800 --> 01:10:09.279
Because before that, you know, it was like it was all these kind of just like big dudes smacking each other over the chest, and like, you know, nobody was like super uh athletic back then in terms of or not athletic, but um like you know, like occasionally, occasionally a luchador would show up.
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.920
Everybody looked like a character from fucking punch out, yeah.
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:31.680
So before you brought in all those guys, the only way to really make it this way would be to like create these superstars, which is what Vince was great at, right?
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.279
Like, yeah, yeah.
01:10:33.760 --> 01:11:02.000
I I think it's fascinating because like, and it's it was the thing that I didn't get about wrestling is that it seemed like the storyline, it's there's a real wrestling federation called the WWF, and it inside of that it there is a story about a fictional wrestling federation called the WWF, also that doesn't exist, it's not a real entity, it's not it's the story WWF, you know.
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:08.319
But in fact, it's like it's like weird, it's like this reflective it the thing is about the thing.
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:15.199
The wrestling match is about the wrestling matches that are going on and about to happen and that have happened, and it's so meta.
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.439
I think like as a kid, I was like, I don't get it, I don't understand why this is interesting.
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:37.199
And as an adult, I'm like, this is so rec like fascinating how it recurves on itself, and it's like it they're kind of talking about things that are happening not just like in the wrestling federation itself, but like in the world, and I feel like you know that's where maybe you get people like Iron Chic.
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:44.720
It's like, here's this weirdo from the Middle East, so now you here's how you're gonna learn about that place, wrong or not about it, you know.
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.319
Yeah, uh Hulk basically the Iron Chic won.
01:11:48.399 --> 01:12:09.920
Um like there was a wrestler that was getting ready to retire, so they handed it off to Iron Sheik, and then uh Iron Sheik held it on, held on to the belt for a couple of months, and then Hogan like the Iron Chic had the camel clutch, which was basically he sat on your back and grabbed your chin, and it was impossible to get out of.
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:33.359
And Hogan uh was in the camel clutch, and the fans were like, Hey, uh this you know, the gas prices are through the roof, we're going through the ir, you know, no one had ever heard of Iran until Jimmy Carter, and then all of a sudden gas is a problem, and now here's this guy from Iran beating up all of our American boys, and here's this guy blonde, and he's the hero.
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:43.039
And as the fans started cheering, Hogan started getting strength and got out of the camel clutch and pinned the the iron.
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.960
So, yeah, they're you know, real life seeps in, tells the story.
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:55.279
It's like we have we're angry people in the crowd, and we have to have something to hate.
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:02.800
Um, if you watch the the television show on Netflix Glow, uh they do a good job of kind of illustrating that.
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.439
Uh, one of the characters is called the welfare queen.
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:12.399
And um, that is a huge deep dive um in and of the real story, right?
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.640
Yeah, it is a real story about one woman.
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:23.279
Oh, wait, glow itself is not a real story, it's a fictional story, but the welfare queen is a real story.
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:24.159
Oh, okay.
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:26.319
Uh, that did sound familiar that day.
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:32.800
Yeah, glow is a fictionalized retelling of the real story.
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:37.199
And please be warned if you go in to watch it, it did not get a proper ending.
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.079
So it's gonna end abruptly and you're gonna be pissed off.
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:43.760
But there was a gorgeous ladies of wrestling outfit.
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:44.239
Okay.
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:58.880
Um, so at this time now we have Hogan and as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, and uh they have a lot of money in the WWF.
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.439
He's all of us, you know, hairline or not.
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:17.279
Uh, but with all that success came a lot of money to buy steroids with.
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:39.439
And then all of a sudden, uh, someone from the FBI that had a lot of uh beef beefy muscles invaded the uh World Wrestling Federation and uh ended up arresting the doctor who was prescribed or who was giving away all these steroids and and causing health problems to all the wrestlers.
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:46.319
And uh Vince went on trial and somehow skirted around uh any guilt in that situation.
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:50.159
So again, very muscles ripping through his suit.
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.560
He's like, none of us we're all normal.
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:53.840
Oh natural.
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.479
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.960
It was Vince admitted to having and using steroids.
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.960
Yeah, I love this idea of the undercover beefcake.
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:22.880
I want this this is also that entire time I was waiting for you to go in real life, like I literally thought for half of that story fully that that was just a storyline after Hulk won to kind of start his heel turn.
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:38.720
No, the the the the steroidal uh uh investigation by the very beefy uh FBI agent was the story that they didn't want to tell you.
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.640
That was the story they hid from us.
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:58.000
Um and uh yeah, no, Vince fully admitted to using steroids uh for his own health and benefit, and having all those steroids, he denied ever distributing them, but the amount that he had was just distribution levels of steroids.
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:02.399
So about a Hulk Hogan level left over, he noticed.
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:14.319
Uh so that leads into uh essentially they have to kind of skirt away from the beefcakes and you know the the 35-inch pythons and and whatever.
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:20.399
Uh so they bring in uh a skilled technician called Brett the Hitman Hart.
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:48.399
Um and they started focusing in on um more uh action type stuff, uh a little bit more high flying, uh more uh twist instead of just pounding each other with big giant arms and fists, there was more grappling, more uh uh holds, more submissions, and um so let me see.
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:52.000
Yeah, so basically they tried to pivot away from that.
01:16:52.560 --> 01:17:10.880
Uh and Hogan, because of overuse of steroids and and lifting Andre is is on a sabbatical because he's lifting that much weight and uh twisting and stuff, he hurt himself and so he had to go on a sabbatical.
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:21.119
Uh, we forgot to mention Randy Savage, who also is uh semi-retired and uh injured, you know, giant flying through the air and landing on people.
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:22.720
He's hurt himself over the years.
01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:30.239
That elbow drop over the when your finishing move is to dive 10 feet through the air and slam down.
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.359
It's like, yeah, that's that's gonna be a tough one to keep doing.
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:40.319
You're like, man, I should have thought of a standing elbow drop like fly off the fucking turnbuckle every match.
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:50.560
The promo with him and with Randy Savage and uh uh Hulk Hogan is the sweatiest you will ever see too many.
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:59.840
Um I'm so grossed out by wrestling hair, like the wet, always oily stringy hair.
01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:02.479
Like it is the grossest part of wrestling for me.
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.680
Look at that, and you're like, that man is unwell.
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.239
Yeah, like go sit down, please.
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:09.039
Stop yelling.
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:11.840
You have a fever.
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:17.439
Oh yeah, like you're you're you need to breathe.
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:18.560
Like, please.
01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:24.079
Um, check your shorts.
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:26.640
Oh, wait, sorry, real quick.
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:28.239
Can I tell you my aunt?
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.840
You know how you're not supposed to break Kfabe, especially back in the 80s.
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:32.479
Uh yeah.
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:38.640
If you're in the audience somehow you don't know what kayfabe is, that's sticking to your character even when you're off camera.
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.800
Uh every part of your life in public is you're the character.
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:56.560
Uh and I I had Kfabe ruined for me when I was like seven, because my mom's friend, who is basically like an aunt, she was like, Oh, I went on a date with Terry, he's so nice.
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:58.159
And my mom's like, Who's Terry?
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.520
She goes, you know, Hulk Hogan, and I learned who fucking Terry was.
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:24.239
That fight club got ruined for me before I uh my neighbor Eric Freshcorn had a wrestling magazine, and they had released pictures of Hacksaw Jim Duggan and the Iron Chic uh getting arrested um on their way to a show.
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:26.880
And it's like, wait a second, these two guys hate each other.
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:31.199
Why are they why are they at a bar drinking and getting duis together?
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:32.880
What what what no?
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:34.479
This is this is fake.
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:37.199
Your your wrestling magazine is fake.
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.000
The rest of the real news.
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:45.359
This is your heel turn, you're like, it's mainstream media, you're lying to us.
01:19:46.720 --> 01:20:03.199
Uh also leading up to this era, uh uh one of the big uh the battle, the the battle between Vince and Ted is still going on, and Vince had had signed away Ric Flair from the WCW and brought him into the WWF.
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:11.680
And at this, you know, the steroid uh time, uh Ric Flair was like, hey, I need to take a little bit of a break.
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:14.319
Uh so everything lands on Brett.
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.560
Uh Brett Hart.
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.279
Rick Flair went to WCW.
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:20.800
No, no, no.
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:42.720
He went from W he went from NWA to uh like he would he was part of NWA and one of the guys that traveled around to basically uh bring up each of the individual regions, and uh instead of go, you know, he was gonna settle at WCW, but Vince offered him more money and brought him into the WWS.
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:43.760
Yeah, because it changed.
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:48.720
Later on, he yeah, they brought him over the foil for Hogan later.
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:50.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:50.239 --> 01:21:03.199
Uh so yeah, the Bret Hart era is called uh the New Blood era, and that's uh you know, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels and a few other people start getting into more action-y type stuff.
01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:10.479
Uh the regular uh regular guy's name era of wrestling where you can just have a regular name now.
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:11.920
Shawn Michaels.
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:23.199
We watched uh uh documentary of short documentary video about Japanese wrestling yesterday, and like the white people that wrestled with the Japanese wrestlers just had like normal names.
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:25.119
It was like so silly to me.
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:27.439
Like office worker names.
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.760
Also, we're we're Eric Bischoff.
01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:34.159
I know we haven't gotten there yet, but also where Eric Bischoff stole the entire NWO.
01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:36.479
Oh no, that's that's right now.
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.520
This is the uh that's like we're there now.
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:52.159
So as Bret Hart starts getting uh a lot of you know, basically proving himself and and all that stuff and started building up a fan thing, uh, then uh uh uh Ted Turner hires Eric Bischoff.
01:21:53.119 --> 01:22:03.600
Eric Bischoff had a little bit of experience in television, no wrestling experience or anything like that, but he he bounced around from business to business and proven himself to Ted Turner.
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.800
And Ted Turner's like, hey, you want to do the wrestling?
01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:09.039
He started at WWF, right?
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:09.439
Huh?
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:14.560
He was at WWF for a little bit, and he just wasn't a good commentator, and they got rid of him.
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.359
He was like a floor commentator, I think, for WWF for a little bit.
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:17.840
I could be wrong.
01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:19.119
Yeah, he might have been.
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:21.199
I think that's no, I think that was later.
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:29.760
Like, yeah, this is he's coming straight off of a different business, and Ted Turner dumps him into WCW and says, Hey, give it a shot.
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:34.000
Uh, and all our all we need to do is beat Vince.
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:34.560
Right.
01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:52.159
And so they um uh they grab some like recollect anyone that isn't in the WWF and kind of starts saying, Hey, this is what the plan is, and they start putting on some amazing shows.
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:56.319
And then Eric Bischoff's like, hey, you know what we want to do?
01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.159
We want Saturday night.
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:04.960
We want we want to go head to head with uh the WWF, same time slot, same everything.
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:06.880
We're just gonna go head to head with them.
01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:09.920
And uh this is '93, I think.
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:11.439
Something like that.
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:12.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.720
And he's like, hey, uh, we're gonna go live.
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.720
We're gonna do this live, and we're going to be for real.
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:24.479
And you know, what the WWF is presenting is a lie.
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:40.000
They're taping it and then redoing it later, uh, and then had some uh had somehow gotten some infrared inside information and knew the results of every uh match in the WWF because it was already done.
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:46.000
Um like he had people going to each of the recordings and writing everything down and stuff.
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:52.000
So they were like, hey, uh if you're gonna go ahead, if you're gonna flip back and forth, don't bother.
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:53.520
Here's who's gonna win these matches.
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:55.119
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:57.680
And now let's get into the action.
01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:59.359
It's fucking wild to me.
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:09.359
And and what I love about that is that Vince McMahon would have done that to get the upper hand in a business sense and not feel a thing about it.
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:16.720
Ted Turner's, of course, it's like it there is the business aspect, but I love knowing that there's an element of it that's like, and fuck you.
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:17.680
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.880
Finally, my machine of revenge has been wrong.
01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:24.159
Just to be able to like go, oh, you like that thing?
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:25.039
Here's what happens.
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:26.079
Who gives a shit?
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:27.039
It's already done.
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.319
Here's my thing, it's cool, and it's happening right now.
01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:47.760
And for uh, I think it went back and forth for the first few weeks that this was going on, and then uh they just they they were like, Hey, let's stop competing on their level and let's just do our own thing.
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:56.000
And WGW started just getting out of control, like just blowing the doors off and making it exciting.
01:24:56.159 --> 01:25:00.800
They had really good writers and really good story, like the stories were good.
01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:28.000
The soap opera portion of it was really good, and um like the I guess the uh Hunter Helms, Hunter Hursley Helm, Triple H and Shawn Michaels and uh Rick Rude and a couple other people formed what was called the click, and they were like uh kind of taking over creatively, and they wanted to win all the time.
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:31.199
And it's like that's not exciting for the fans.
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:40.560
There's got to be some you know, if you're if everyone if you've won every night for the past two years, everyone expect you know, everyone knows you're gonna win, and it's not exciting anymore.
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:51.600
Meanwhile, in WCWF, you know, WCW, it was like we have no idea what's going on, and we you know, we have to tune in to see what's going on.
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:56.000
And for 83 straight weeks, they won the rating bar.
01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:04.960
That's like a two a year, almost two straight years of just beating the hell out of WWF.
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:18.479
And this is the lead up to because it hadn't become Monday Night Raw yet when they really clicked in, and they they they didn't know why they were losing because they they were like, We have the better product, is like in their minds, you know.
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:33.760
And at the time, like what it and then it just started getting stale, and they made a huge mistake, and they signed they they uh WCW uh made a huge, huge turnaround, and they signed Hulk Hogan.
01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:40.720
Uh, but before that, the before that they signed Kevin Nash and and um uh another guy.
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:42.880
Do you mind if I if I set this up?
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:45.760
Yeah, this is one of my favorite things.
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:47.439
I love to nerd out about this.
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:49.359
Thank you for the opportunity.
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:54.319
Uh, so you may remember the show Tropic Thunder.
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.680
The the the is on USA Network, I do believe.
01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:22.880
Uh for some reason the government hires um a guy who has a striking resemblance to Hulk Hogan because it's him, and uh he's on a stealth speed boat, it's a fucking government-made stealth speed boat that does government operations for like the CIA or whatever.
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:29.920
And there's and then he's got a sidekick, and they go around doing two-man secret missions in their stealth speed boat.
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:34.880
And I loved it when I was a kid, but I don't remember anything about it beyond that.
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:36.880
It's called Thunder in Paradise.
01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:38.079
Thunder in Paradise.
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:38.640
Thank you.
01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:41.680
Thunder in Paradise, and what did I call it?
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:42.880
Tropic Thunder.
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:43.760
Tropic Thunder.
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:47.920
It's the movie Tropic Thunder.
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.680
No, yeah, Thunder in Paradise, which is uh yeah.
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:59.840
Anyway, uh that that show was him retiring from it, it was like what he went and did when he retired from WWE.
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:06.560
But he was still under contract, so he couldn't uh he couldn't wrestle for anybody else, even if he wanted to.
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:11.439
But I think for him, obviously, like not wrestling was helpful to recover or whatever.
01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:26.479
Um, but as soon as he was allowed to wrestle again, they went to Universal Orlando, and like because you know he's he lives in Florida, you know, uh, and they went and and they were shooting um Thunder in Paradise in Orlando.
01:28:26.560 --> 01:29:03.840
It was back when we still had a tax credit for that in Florida, and uh they were shooting that there, and yeah, Ted Turner's people went and poached him basically because he could have he was he could have gone back to WWF, you know, like if he wanted to, they could have brought him back in, but he had kind of expended that character there, and obviously the move would be to bring it to a new arena, and so for the first year they're they're kind of have him as like the big get, but he's still just Hulk Hogan, right?
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.119
But he's he's he's slightly rebranded a little bit, but it's the same character.
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:18.159
But but then they they're wait, wait, his character name was Randolph J Hurricane Spencer.
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:25.760
You can't do a letter and a like storm-based nickname.
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:26.960
That's amazing.
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:27.680
Thank you for that.
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:32.640
Oh my god.
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:47.119
So so he goes to uh so Ted Turner goes to start poaching WWF people, and his big pitch to them was you're on the road almost every day of the year, but you can be on the road with WCW 180 days a year.
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:51.920
I'm gonna hire so many guys, you don't have to work, you get to work half the time, I'm gonna pay you more.
01:29:52.079 --> 01:30:03.520
Um, we're gonna actually have like more uh medical uh coverage and stuff like he's literally like, we're gonna make sure you don't fucking die and get worked to death like you're doing now.
01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:12.640
And um, but a lot of these dudes, when he would poach them from WWF, they had to kind of be in waiting because they had to wait until their contracts were officially done.
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:25.359
So when he poached Razor Ramon and Kevin Nash, who were well known in WWF, they they weren't allowed to wrestle yet, but it didn't mean they weren't allowed to be on another network.
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:38.399
So, so because the contract just said they couldn't wrestle, and then this fucking genius plan of having these two show up, they couldn't say their names as the WWF guys, but everybody knew what they looked like.
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:43.439
So Ted Turner had them sitting in the audience hechoing, fucking with people.
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:48.640
Like they basically just said Ted Turner's like, send them in and just be disruptive.
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:57.119
So they would go and everybody'd be booing and they'd be like, you know, Fraser Moon's throwing his toothpick at people and shit, and just like just being fucking dickheads.
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:05.520
It's beautiful, it's amazing, and they do it for like a year, like it's like a year of these dudes showing up and just being assholes.
01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:11.359
The wrestlers are to the audience, all of it, everyone, uh yes, okay, gotcha.
01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:25.439
Yeah, like it's the WCW wrestlers, or yeah, it's the WCW wrestlers and the WCW fans, yeah, and they're a cancer or a virus, uh, they're an invading persona.
01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:43.760
Uh and so everybody is even even if they're harassing the bad guys in WCW, the fans then start turning towards the bad guys and becoming fans of the bad guys, so it's like yeah, it created a a a big rift.
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:45.840
So when they did come in, go ahead.
01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:57.439
And well, and and nobody knew that because it's back in the 90s, before you know you can really like just have all that stuff, like you would really have to go find out on your own, yeah.
01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:15.840
Like to figure so to the average viewer, it really looked like this is a real thing that's happening, is that these WWF people are coming in and fucking with them because everybody knew they were competitors, so everybody just believed it, and they didn't realize that they were like like working for them.
01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:26.560
So once they were actually able to wrestle and out of their contract, they dayton a beach, 1995, the fucking ocean center.
01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:30.239
I think it's 95, 95 or 96, uh one of those.
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:38.079
They they show up at WrestleMania, and uh they they do the normal, they're they're having a normal match.
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:49.199
Uh I think it's Hogan and Savage versus um that they're allowed to wrestle now and they're and they're wrestling Nash and Razor, I think is how it's going, right?
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:51.279
I feel like I've seen the promo for this one.
01:32:51.359 --> 01:33:01.359
I think this is and then the fucking moment that it looks like they're about to to win, it's uh it's Hogan and and Randy Savage.
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:12.399
Uh and then he fucking and then Hogan turns on Savage and knocks it, like wins the match, right?
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.319
But like turns on Savage.
01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:15.680
Am I saying this right, Mickey?
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:17.119
I think so, yeah.
01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:24.640
He turns on Savage and basically like reveals his New World Order t-shirt.
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:37.520
Yeah! He's now part of the New World Order of the Outsiders, is what they were called at first, because they were literally outsiders, and then they brought in like we're the outsiders of the WCW, right?
01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:50.479
So he turned heel in that moment, and they the the entire arena starts throwing trash at them, and the Daytona Beach was like, We're gonna fucking kill a whole coke in that, and then they didn't.
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:52.640
Oh no, no, no, you're skip, you're skipping.
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:53.119
No, no.
01:33:53.199 --> 01:34:24.560
See what they he they revealed him as NWO and people loved it, and uh then uh it kind of one like the the separation in the ratings went from a point or two to like three points to almost double the audience, and then uh so like there was no one left, and then that's where the birth of Sting came, like the crow persona, and the only one fighting NW, like everyone just started joining the NWO.
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:28.720
But it started with the Hogan heel term was the start of it though.
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:35.600
So when he turned heel, that because that's like a that's like a four, like a like a yeah, yeah.
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:43.279
That's that's Hogan did Hogan did that, but over the course of like two years, they basically started the in inside the WCW was posting.
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.439
I didn't know they had a I didn't know they had such a negative reaction when he first did a heel turn.
01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:49.039
They lost their fucking mind.
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:49.359
Okay.
01:34:49.680 --> 01:35:00.479
So when they when because they just called themselves the outsiders, and they would okay, they would do these little like promos called the New World Order, but it but it was just two guys, so nobody took it serious.
01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:04.960
It's the two outsiders, and they're saying, Oh, we're gonna do this new world order.
01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:11.119
It hadn't become its big thing yet, but then what happened was when Hogan turned and became it, okay.
01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:24.720
Yeah, okay, it gave it legitimacy, and then they started poaching everybody, and then it was like eventually it's like half of the WCW is now taken over by the New World Order, which this entire storyline is stolen from the Japanese uh wrestlers.
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:29.920
Okay, thank you for saying storyline because now that I was still like, and this is in the show, right?
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:30.880
Right, right, right.
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:31.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.840
It's meta with meta, yeah.
01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:40.800
And with the NWO takeover, they just blew out the ratings, and then like skyrocket.
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:47.439
Then they like got to the point where it was like we have nowhere else to go with this.
01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:58.159
And part of the problem was Hogan got create final creative sign-off on anything that happened with his character, yeah, which is a huge mistake because he's an ego.
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:02.800
Hogan had a huge ego and said, Oh, no, no, no, I'm going to win.
01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:16.319
So they went through this process where the the belt went to someone, and then Kevin Nash won the belt, and then they made a huge, huge, huge mistake.
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:25.520
And Hogan came out and challenged Nash and poked him in the chest, and Nash fell to the ground, and Hogan pinned him.
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:37.920
And that another time, the audience just lost their minds, and not in ah, this is awesome, but in oh no, we're gonna go back to the WWF.
01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:42.479
This was this was about year 99, 2000, I think would have been 2000.
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:55.600
So, what you've had is now a five-year trajectory of this storyline that the obvious thing that anybody like from the outside could see is you have to the pendulum has to swing, you can't just do the same thing.
01:36:55.840 --> 01:37:06.399
And if you have the NWO take over the entire WCW with the exception of Sting, who was like the hero, he would show up by himself in crow face paint and beat the shit out of everybody.
01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:07.520
And it was fucking incredible.
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:13.039
And you'd be like, I love the idea that nobody is like, but there's just one wrestler left at the WWE.
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:38.479
That's why I put that's why I put stairs and sting face paint on the um, but uh, but yeah, like the obvious thing would be now like if it was a movie, Sting would have to lead the revolution of the good guys, and for some reason they couldn't fucking see it, and they just kept going, the bad guys win more now, and then eventually the ratings started to tank.
01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:54.159
Uh and then well, meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, you have uh Hunter uh Triple H and uh Shawn Michaels uh just acting like they were like, let's go off script and let's let's get dirty.
01:37:55.439 --> 01:38:00.479
Sorry, the second that Triple H stopped pretending that he was English because that was his character.
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:03.680
What I missed that part of Hunter.
01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:08.000
He was regal a fucking Henry Hunter Helmsley.
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.079
No, it was like um Connecticut Blue Blood or something like that.
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:16.880
It was Hunter Hunter Helm Hunter Hurst Helmsley or something like that.
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:17.600
Triple H.
01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.159
Triple H is it's supposed to be regal.
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:25.680
Okay, had to get a crown custom made for your human growth hormone head.
01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:28.720
Um H G Hunter.
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:38.640
So Triple H and and Shawn Michaels were you know originally part of the clique, they're running the show, and then they started get they're like, hey, we're losing.
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:40.159
Who gives who gives a crap?
01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:42.399
Let's just let's act like assholes.
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.640
And they formed Degeneration X.
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:55.760
And then they pulled in Road Dog and X Pac and uh the bat James, uh Jesse James, the badass uh James, yeah, badass Jesse James.
01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:03.199
Uh and they just started running, they basically started doing the New World Order, uh, but calling it Degeneration X.
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:07.039
These are the names I've heard from kids who had Sega Genesis' growing up.
01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:09.039
Yes, these are the names.
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:22.399
And they they gave them them them foils by having people like or I guess not not foils, but they but they they started to build almost like their own cinematic universe because you had those guys being like the outsiders, right?
01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:55.760
Within within their own thing, and then on the outskirts of that, they had separate storylines, which is great because they they brought in so they revamped Undertaker because Undertaker was just because in the early 90s you could just be like, It's a scary guy, and everybody's like, Well, he's got a coffin and a pall bearer, but like you know, once you get rid of all like the basic tropes and you got to move into this like third wave style of wrestling where like the everything's different, they had to come up with a thing, and then they're like, Well, what happens with Undertaker?
01:39:55.840 --> 01:40:07.920
It's like he's got a brother from from hell who's there, who like survived a house fire when they were kids or something, and uh, and and then you bring in that character.
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:08.720
What was his name?
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:09.840
Um Kane.
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:10.560
Kane.
01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:20.800
And then so you got that storyline, but then on top of that, so now you got the outsiders, you have that, and then on top of that, you had originally cold stone, or it was cold stone, stone cold.
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:28.960
Um I forget his name.
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:32.239
Coldstone not pulled him in for a promotion yet, like that.
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:37.520
We're about to make we're about to make some ice creamy submitts.
01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:38.960
So what's going on?
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:53.279
Uh like as D Generation X is coming up, and it's basically Brett Hart is the the top man and stuff like that, and he and Shawn Michaels were good friends, but then Shawn Michaels and he started getting into arguments and and whatever.
01:40:53.600 --> 01:41:00.159
And Brett was like, hey, these guys are controlling the narrative, and it's not good for me anymore.
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.199
So he's getting ready to jump ship to go to WCW.
01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:21.279
And uh real quick, sorry, because because this just ties in timeline-wise, that at the same time that all this is happening, uh I I forget the name he wrestled under, but but Steve Austin, I think it was just Steve Austin, was at WCW and they just weren't putting him over.
01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:23.039
Um he still had hair.
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.359
He he was it was very strange.
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:53.199
And uh and he was he he had been released, but he was still under contract and not wrestle, and he was just doing promos um where he was like literally just talking about how frustrated he was with the industry, but they would do it in that cool, like you know, like do it at like a Dutch angle and like black and white, and he'd be like, it's just it's it's just Steve Austin sitting in the corner being like, the second I can wrestle again, I'm gonna fucking kill everybody.
01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:55.039
And everybody's like, oh my god.
01:41:55.439 --> 01:42:05.600
And they and they were putting that on um what's the other the the the indie promo with um the other the other wrestling, the the one that was indie promo.
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:07.279
Um ECW?
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:09.119
ECW, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:10.399
So yeah, yeah.
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.359
So he's making promos for ECW, but he can't wrestle yet.
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:24.319
So they have him for like six months just talk shit about WCW and WWF, where he's like, I'm gonna start wrestling again, I'm gonna murder everybody, and everybody was terrified of him.
01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:51.359
And then he came in there, and it was only like three months or something, maybe it's longer, but like it was a real quick thing where he built the character and then he basically went to WWF and pitched McMahon, and McMahon brought him on, and then you had The Rock coming in at the same time, and then you create those two foils, uh, or those two guys opposing and kind of like all again, Vince McMahon being extremely lucky.
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:56.560
Uh uh Bret Hart's getting ready to leave, and he wants to leave as a champion.
01:42:56.720 --> 01:43:17.119
Basically, he said, I will lose the championship and leave, but I will not lose in in Canada because Brett Hart is from Canada, and like in Montreal, everybody is in love with Bret Hart, and like he's like, I can't lose here, that's just wrong.
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:35.840
And he was supposed to, you know, uh Shawn Michaels was supposed to do Bret Hart's move, and Bret Hart was supposed to reverse it and then win it, and then they were supposed to do another match uh a couple days later, but Shawn Michaels held on to the to the uh hold and won.
01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:43.279
And it's called the Montreal screw job, and uh all of the fans are pissed.
01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:45.760
Everybody is pissed off.
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:56.640
So uh and and meanwhile, ECW is folding and going out of business, and Vince Michaels buys it for a sweetheart deal.
01:43:56.880 --> 01:44:19.680
So he gets uh Stone Cold Steve Austin and everyone and a bunch and the Hardy Boys who were just uh absolutely insane with like Japanese and Mexican style flying through the air type wrestling and hardcore matches, and uh I think uh just like all the trash cans and the ladder matches and and chainsaw matches and just all everything.
01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:25.600
You look back on it now and like it was such a big thing of like, oh, wrestling is fake, wrestling is real, wrestling is fake.
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:29.279
And you look at like what they were doing, and it's like, wow, it sure doesn't matter if it's fake.
01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:32.560
Like it's like the athleticism is still there.
01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:32.880
Yeah.
01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:45.199
Like this is like uh it's like one of those fucking shows at Universal with like you know, like a bubbly girl announcer is like, okay, now this person is gonna dive off of a 75-foot waterfall.
01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.439
We'll show you how that works, you know.
01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:55.199
I was just thinking like wrestling is l discounting wrestling for being a skill is like discounting stunt people for being good at what they do because that's fake.
01:44:55.680 --> 01:45:04.800
I think people conflated fake with like easy or like not like somehow these people aren't actually like if you look at what's happening.
01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:07.199
I mean, the physicality is insane still.
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:12.960
Like honestly, it may even actually be harder to do this than just fucking actually fight.
01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:26.239
Is to is to create like a convincing, I mean, they're flying off the fucking turnbuckle and like just slamming into these the other guys so hard that they flip around like three times before they hit the bat.
01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:29.039
And it's like, well, that's real, that's gravity and dies.
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:33.439
We CG was not that good, you know, back then.
01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:44.640
Find me a real fight where somebody got thrown through a fucking chain link fence from 20 feet in the air, slammed onto a mat, and then had to get up again.
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:45.199
Yeah.
01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:48.000
And nobody's safe either.
01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:56.000
Like, one of my favorite bits about watching watching wrestling is like inevitably at some point in every episode, it feels like the announce table gets fucked.
01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:11.119
So with ECW going out of business, Vince being able to buy it, Bret Hart, uh uh what they did to Bret Hart pissing every single fan off.
01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:37.439
And at this time, Ted Turner's dealing with oh, before that, uh going back to the WCW, there's a whole storyline where Sting gets the belt or somebody gets the belt and Kevin Nash wins the belt and then challenges Hulk Hogan and he pokes him in the chest and he falls down and Hogan pins him, and all of the fans basically just evaporate.
01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:38.159
Yeah.
01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:50.560
And meanwhile, Ted Turner's in talks with Warner Brothers and and AOL and sells his channel, and the bosses there are like wrestling.
01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:59.439
You know, it was a passion project for Ted Turner, especially to stick it to Ted to the arrangement project.
01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:00.079
Yeah.
01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:06.640
So um so Vince leans into the oh, the people hate me.
01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:14.479
We'll we'll just go instead of fighting that and trying to convince them to like me again, I'll just lean hard into this.
01:47:14.640 --> 01:47:29.039
So he becomes the asshole boss, which then gives Steve Austin, Stone Cold Steve Austin, the the blue-collar uh screw your boss uh bad attitude kind of thing, and just puts him way over the top.
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:30.000
Way over the top.
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.680
And and so like everything just aligns, yeah.
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:41.279
And in short order, Vince turns around and buys the WCW and then merges it all together.
01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:50.800
So so, real quick, so so the way that ECW got bought, he was really smart about that, and this ties into what he does with WCW, right?
01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:59.600
So he buys he sees that Paul Heyman is like a fucking genius, but he's also an insane person.
01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:00.319
Uh-huh.
01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:02.720
Who's like goes hand in hand?
01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:03.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.880
And he goes, and he he has Paul Heyman.
01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.920
I mean, they they pulled it right out of the the outsiders move.
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:30.239
He has Paul Heyman start coming to to to events for WWF and basically just sitting in the audience being like, your guys are all pussies, my dudes jump off of ladders onto thumbtacks and like choke each other with barbed wire, and he's like taunting them, and and everybody's believing it because everybody knows ECW.
01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:36.159
Like, it's like this weird, crazy punk rock cousin that's like snorting ants in the corner.
01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:42.560
And he's like, now he's like showing up, and they've really sold this idea.
01:48:42.640 --> 01:49:10.720
And at first it was like, you know, behind the scenes, it was like, Oh, we're gonna bring them in as like a side division, but make it look like they're kind of like we're we're gonna show up and wrestle, and we don't give a shit if you want us here or not, and then so it was sort of insular, and then once they folded them into the actual thing and Paul Heyman became like a promoter within it, then it became that's that's when you get that whole like uh like storyline of those guys.
01:49:11.039 --> 01:49:15.199
But then do you mind if I do the the WCW purchase?
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:16.800
Yeah, go ahead.
01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:22.720
So the fucking genius of this move, you know, at this point, you you've he's involved as kids.
01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:30.079
You got Stephanie Mann is a very much a part of the the storylines and stuff with Triple H and everything.
01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:34.000
Um deeply disturbing storylines.
01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:48.640
Uh, one of them there there was an incest storyline with with Vince that they had to cut because everybody like basically had to jump in and go like, uh Vince, I don't think this like normally we would never tell you what to do because you won't listen.
01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:50.399
You should listen to us this time.
01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:52.239
You can't fake impregnate your dog.
01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:55.840
We're using our one time, please don't do this chill.
01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:59.760
We're using our one time, we'll all get we'll.
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:03.439
Yeah, this will like ruin everybody.
01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:12.800
And then you had his son who uh who was was crazy enough becomes like a high flying dude.
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.840
Like uh I'm I'm blanking on his name for some reason.
01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:16.800
What is it?
01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:17.760
Shame McMahon.
01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:21.359
Uh yeah, yeah.
01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.920
He's got the whole like money, money man thing.
01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:30.800
Uh he but he's like a high fly, like he's he's really doing it, like he's a legit wrestler by this point, which is crazy.
01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:40.479
Um, and so uh they build a st when they buy WCW behind the scenes, they don't announce it to everybody that they bought WCW.
01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:45.279
It's done in court dealings, but publicly people don't know.
01:50:45.439 --> 01:51:01.840
And the way they they do it is they pretend like Shane McMahon buys WCW as a fuck you to his dad, and they have a whole storyline where he's like I he he goes, I'm I'm I'm taking WCW and we're gonna take you on.
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:08.640
And so the the beginning of it is Shane McMahon pretending like he's he's it's the outsider thing again.
01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:13.520
He's like, I'm bringing this group of guys in and we're gonna take over your organization.
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:21.119
And so the beginning is literally pretending like WCW still exists and having them fight WWF guys.
01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:29.520
So there was like a short time frame where WCW diehards were like coming back and being like, oh shit, this is cool again.
01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:39.760
Like, like, and people really thought that like maybe there was a moment where like maybe WCW will like somehow win, which of course there's no way that's possible.
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:52.159
Um it would be like if Disney, like when they bought Fox, were like, Oh, like here's fucking family guy, he's like making fun of Star Wars, and then they just put him in Star Wars.
01:51:52.239 --> 01:52:01.279
Like, it's it's really bizarre, and like that because like there are people that are like huge, but they've got the t-shirts, and they're like, I like this wrestling, not that wrestling.
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:05.039
Meanwhile, the wrestling on your shirt has been bought by the guy you don't like, yes.
01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:20.960
Like, it's just and the and the and the way that they and the way that so they finally because they you know, eventually it's a whole like you know the the winner of this battle owns all of the wrestlers or whatever the fuck.
01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:32.319
So so it becomes a thing where Vince postpones it, but he does get his victory lap in public instead of just in the courts, uh uh or in the in the the purchasing.
01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:48.239
So he gets to have his whole WCW is mine, and everybody's like, yeah, and then there's like you know, it's like these kids, the like 13-year-olds of homie, like, God, we thought Sting was gonna win again.
01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:52.720
You were supposed to bring ballots to the force, not land in darkness.
01:52:53.520 --> 01:53:00.880
Oh anyway, so that's that's the behind the scenes of that because it's just such a fascinating, cool way to like to bring that in.
01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:03.600
And of course, it didn't work out the way that everybody would like.
01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:16.159
There's you can't have two massive organizations, they they ended up having to cut so many guys, um, and really only held on to you know, um, they they hung on to Sting for a little while.
01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:26.000
Uh, they who started with WWF, yeah, um, because he had been around forever, but uh, but he it was Chris Jericho came over.
01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:31.920
He remained like a pretty huge part of it for a long time, but a lot of those guys just disappeared.
01:53:32.079 --> 01:53:44.880
Kevin Nash was back with WWF for a long time, and yeah, and Kevin Nash ended up being uh Tim Robbins' f uh father in Detroiters and absolutely fantastic.
01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:50.720
His portrayal of an insane person was just absolutely amazing.
01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:52.800
Also lives in Daytona Beach.
01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:57.600
Uh lives in Daytona Beach, he works out with the owner of a famous strip club there.
01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:08.560
Um you ever go to well, not anymore, but it used to be if you ever went to that gym or that strip club, you would see Kevin Nash just getting trashed and hanging out with strippers.
01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:09.439
Good times.
01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:18.479
Okay, so Jackie does another uh podcast for uh one of her marketing clients, and the subject was pre-menopause.
01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:23.039
And I'll get to uh I'll get to the point in a second to just take it.
01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:25.600
I was on the podcast and I don't even know where this is going.
01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:49.520
Uh and so uh I was looking for some background music and I ran across this song about pre-menopause, and it it was like, oh wait, this is from a show on uh British television about some old older women in their pre-menopausal phase of life that form a punk band and uh just create this amazing song.
01:54:50.319 --> 01:55:00.720
And uh Jackie went and found that Brit Box was like a free trial for two weeks, and we watched the television show.
01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.239
It was uh I forget what it was called.
01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:05.279
Riot Women, six episodes, so good.
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:06.960
It was a great, great show.
01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:12.319
Like actually, and we're like, hey, we have Brit box for another two weeks or whatever, so let's find something.
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:18.720
And we ended up watching uh extras with uh the guy who did uh the the original office.
01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:19.760
So good.
01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:21.760
Uh amazing show.
01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:26.960
Uh and then we started bouncing around and we found um uh Living the Dream.
01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:35.680
Living the Dream, and we decided to watch it not because of who was in it, but because it was a British sitcom set in Florida about Kissimmee, Florida.
01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:41.039
Yeah, Kissimmee, Florida, about British people who came to Kissimmee to buy a RV park.
01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:47.119
And uh I wanted to see what British Britain's depiction of Florida was like, and I was not disappointed.
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.359
I'll tell you what I'm disappointed about.
01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:52.079
You've you you got British people in Kissimmee.
01:55:52.159 --> 01:55:53.279
That shows Puerto Rican.
01:55:53.439 --> 01:56:06.000
Leave it alone, and uh one of the one of the people that uh is uh renting space and living in the RV park is an ex-wrestler played by Kevin Nash.
01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:09.760
And again, his acting chops uh on full display.
01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:11.680
He it was a it was a fun show.
01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:15.119
I mean I wouldn't call it a great show, but it was fun as hell.
01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:19.199
Yeah, it was great to see what Britons think of Kissimmee.
01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:24.560
Yeah, why don't you set a show in in Miami and just not have it be about Cubans?
01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:26.079
You fucking footballs.
01:56:26.319 --> 01:56:27.920
Sorry, I'm sure the show's fine.
01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:29.439
It's just pick a different spot.
01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:32.479
There's more Puerto Ricans in Kissimmee than there is in Puerto Rico.
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:36.640
Do Puerto Ricans do all the Puerto Ricans live in a R V park?
01:56:37.439 --> 01:56:40.960
No, but pick a different pick one, pick one not as well known.
01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:44.000
There's so many other places between R V park and Florida.
01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:49.520
Most of the dart at at Florida, and they were just like, yeah, Kissimmee.
01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:50.640
That's near Disney World.
01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:01.119
So that's where the show should be.
01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:03.359
Scott's more, you know?
01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:05.760
I'm being a nitpicky asshole.
01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:06.239
I apologize.
01:57:06.399 --> 01:57:06.880
That's so funny.
01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:10.239
That's why I'm excited about GTA 6, because those people are Scottish.
01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:13.680
It's gonna be, I mean, they're dead on.
01:57:13.840 --> 01:57:21.199
Like, I'm excited to see how they interpret, especially it seems like Daytona Beach is is is kind of wrapped up in there.
01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:22.159
So yeah.
01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:25.039
What I've seen so far, I'm like, yeah, you got us, kind of.
01:57:25.840 --> 01:57:42.560
Okay, so with the uh acquisition of ECW, uh, the acquisition of WCW, the uh complete control of all major functions of wrestling, uh that basically put WWE.
01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:50.720
Oh, they lost the lawsuit with Wild uh World Wild uh World Wildlife Federation or Foundation.
01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:51.199
That's right.
01:57:51.520 --> 01:58:02.079
They had to change from WWF to WWE, and uh uh all of that uh led up to them just being the kings of the ring.
01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:03.760
There's so much more.
01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:18.000
Like uh from this point, we have another two hours to discuss on uh all of the steps that they've done to to stay in in uh in control, um and all the missteps from there.
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:30.079
Um but I I I think the reason why they are is because WrestleMania led into one thing, which and the Ted Turner battle led into another.
01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:48.000
The Black Saturday led into uh you know Ted Turner getting involved, and then you know, Ted Turner exiting by selling everything off, and then uh coming back to uh putting it all back together and then splitting it back apart from Raw on Monday and SmackDown.
01:58:48.079 --> 01:59:00.319
Like they had so many people that they had to split it into two divisions, kind of like the X-Men, where they had so many X-Men that they had the X-Men wet blue and X-Men gold teams.
01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:07.920
Um so you know, with all that, that's that's why the WWE is the top dog in wrestling.
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:13.760
But there's so much more to the story, but unfortunately, I think we've we've run out of time.
01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:17.359
Can I ask everybody one question before we piece out?
01:59:17.600 --> 01:59:20.079
I want to know who everybody's favorite wrestler is.
01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:23.439
Okay.
01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:25.600
You guys are more knowledgeable.
01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:29.279
WTW Sting all day for WCW.
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:35.600
It will always break my little 13-year-old heart that that they they didn't.
01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:50.000
I on the one hand, it's probably good that they did all that because uh I, you know, I think I was aging out of that, and it would have been probably like a qu a quiet little shame of mine to still be like waiting for Sting to win the fucking because the Goldberg thing.
01:59:50.079 --> 01:59:51.199
We didn't even talk about Goldberg.
01:59:51.680 --> 02:00:04.399
Oh yeah, you know, they they had the whole run of Goldberg like like being it turns out it's because the dude couldn't wrestle, so they just had him end every match in two seconds by spearing people, which is just football tackle.
02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:07.760
But um uh but it looked great, you know.
02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:12.079
Um, but anyway, um got the people going, got the people going.
02:00:12.479 --> 02:00:27.279
Um if the the thing I would love to have seen would have been if anybody at WCW had half a brain and didn't give control over to Hogan and you had the revolution, you could get I'm doing it now.
02:00:27.359 --> 02:00:28.399
We're writing it.
02:00:28.720 --> 02:00:36.079
You have the revolution that leads the revolution, and you take WCW back from the outsiders or whatever.
02:00:36.239 --> 02:00:37.359
Uh that would have been great.
02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:41.520
Sting is in a in that era, is an incredible character.
02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:58.880
He's like literally the journey that everybody wants to see is the guy who used to be a blonde, like happy go-lucky, like pastel face painted like dude, and then all of a sudden he shows up looking like the fucking crow, beating people with a billy club.
02:00:59.359 --> 02:01:00.640
Like, it's amazing.
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:02.000
Um 20 on one.
02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:03.920
Yeah, there were times where it was 20 on one.
02:01:04.239 --> 02:01:14.479
Yeah, and then I think a lot of people assume that I I would love uh Stone Cold, but uh it's it's I I'm I'm an undertaker guy.
02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:18.880
I I Mark, the real guy, I wish he didn't.
02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:24.880
I podcasts have ruined everything that that you you need K-fabe for.
02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:31.760
It's like comedians and wrestling are like two things that you should not know those people's real opinions are real things.
02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:48.239
And it turns out most comedians are pieces of shit, and most wrestlers are fucking Republicans, and and that's fine, but but um but yeah, it's it's human-wise, Coldstone.
02:01:48.479 --> 02:01:51.199
I I actually really like that dude as a person.
02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:52.159
Okay, good.
02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:54.000
That's nice to hear, actually.
02:01:54.319 --> 02:02:02.159
But uh The Undertaker is a hundred percent uh uh closeted, would be the wrong way to put it because it's like thinly veiled.
02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:19.520
He's like wearing like black rifle hats, and like you know he's because his ultra his ultra ego, or not his ultra ego, but hit like his like other storyline for a while was like that like almost like American badass style thing of like him coming in on a you got you know, I get it, you want to change it up.
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:31.199
You know, he would ride in on a Harley and he'd have an American flag bandana on and he'd beat the shit out of people in jeans, and it's like, all right, sure, man, take all the cool away.
02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:38.399
You used to send people to hell, you used to give people basket, you buried people.
02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:46.800
My new take on The Undertaker is more about the death that America, I feel, has been uh anyway.
02:02:46.880 --> 02:02:59.840
So the Undertaker would be my WWF 90s guy because uh I I forget who he puts in a coffin who gets out of the coffee, who he buries someone in a coffin and then opens it back up and they're gone.
02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:07.359
And I think it's Kane, but for him to be afraid of something of him getting up out of the coffin, yeah, yeah.
02:03:07.600 --> 02:03:22.880
I mean that move he he in the interview, he talks about creating the character of uh of the Undertaker, and his whole like you think he's lost, and he sits up without using his hands and just like sits up.
02:03:23.039 --> 02:03:25.600
He's like, I I took it straight from Michael Myers.
02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:28.079
He's like, That's how yeah, yeah.
02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:43.680
And the thing, like when he put his hand on somebody's throat, he'd sell that fucking that that wind up and grab him by the throat, and then he would grab someone by the throat, and everybody would be like, That man's gonna die, and I want to watch.
02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:50.479
Like it was it's for me, that's there, it doesn't get better than 90s Undertaker.
02:03:50.720 --> 02:04:03.840
Yeah, uh Sting is actually responsible for the greatest, I think, uh gif of all time to come out of wrestling, which is uh with the mask, and he pulls off the the the crow mask, and there's just another exact that crow mask on the knee.
02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:06.800
I that joke is never not funny to me.
02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:09.600
It's the best 100%.
02:04:10.479 --> 02:04:20.640
Uh for me, I'd say I started off with Junkyard Dog, uh, and then I went uh when Coco Beware came in.
02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:25.119
Uh even though the bird was silly, I still enjoyed it.
02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:28.319
Uh, but you know, uh Morris Day and the Time.
02:04:28.399 --> 02:04:30.000
I mean, that's always a bop.
02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:32.640
Huge fan of George the Animal Steel.
02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:33.520
I actually got to see him.
02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:34.880
Yes, he's on my list.
02:04:35.039 --> 02:04:36.960
I love him in Orlando.
02:04:37.199 --> 02:04:39.359
Did you know he was born in Detroit?
02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:40.239
Yeah.
02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:45.279
Uh yeah, remember he uh he mentioned that when we were uh at the book signing.
02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:50.560
Um and then uh I was a huge fan of the Hardy Boys with Lita.
02:04:51.119 --> 02:05:02.319
Um I uh as you can tell by the intro of the show, I enjoyed the road dog because he probably one of the best mic persons, not a great not the greatest wrestler.
02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:09.119
He was good at wrestling, but he was one of the better mic operators in the history of the game.
02:05:09.439 --> 02:05:17.840
Um I didn't like John Cena until he started uh until he was in train wreck with uh Amy Schumer.
02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:24.800
And then it was like started looking at him in a different light, and then you know, I like him more as an actor than I did as a wrestler.
02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:34.159
Uh, but now knowing him as an actor and and uh the person that he is now looking back through his career, it's like okay, I get it.
02:05:34.399 --> 02:05:45.680
Um but but looking back, it was like okay, I have to choose between John Cena and and Stone calls Steve Austin and The Rock.
02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:50.319
And you know, at the time they had so many stars, it's like I I can only pick one.
02:05:50.479 --> 02:06:02.880
Wait a second, no, no, no, no, no I I want to choose more, but um but overall, yeah, I'd I'd say deep down in my heart, I'd say George the Animal Steel has always always been the guy for me.
02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:06.399
That reminds me, can I give an honorable mention to Hacksaw Jim Duggan?
02:06:06.560 --> 02:06:09.439
Just a dude with a two by four is the funniest shit.
02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:13.760
He's like, I got a piece of wood and I'll I'll fucking kill everybody in this room.
02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:19.199
That Mickey that is the example of the punch out guy, is Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:22.479
It's like here's a he's just a bumpkin freak.
02:06:22.880 --> 02:06:25.279
Just so intense and just holding a two by four.
02:06:25.359 --> 02:06:26.159
I always love that.
02:06:26.479 --> 02:06:35.199
Sorry, that's I I stepped all over you, Mickey, when you were trying to talk about when we got to see George Animal Steel, and I apologize if you want to expand on that because he was really great.
02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:37.600
Oh no, he had a release.
02:06:37.760 --> 02:06:53.199
Uh his daughter was there, kind of making sure that he was comfortable and just seeing even as an old gentleman, he still had an air about him that just uh was nice.
02:06:53.439 --> 02:07:00.000
Like he was you know, he broke K Fabe, but you know, still just just the nicest guy in the world.
02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:15.840
Like you you think, oh man, you're to me, in my eyes, he's one of the biggest stars to ever walk the earth, and he is this humble older gentleman who just wrote a book that you know was happy to sign and talk to the people around him that had enjoyed what he did.
02:07:16.079 --> 02:07:31.520
So yeah, um you know, it was just a very pleasant experience to end you know, growing up watching him and then getting to meet him finally and telling him how much me and my dad enjoyed watching him, and he was just actually took it to heart.
02:07:31.680 --> 02:07:40.239
And and you know, uh being autistic, I kind of pick up on people pretending to like people, and he was just very genuine.
02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:46.079
So good vibes all around on that guy, which would have made it funnier if he hadn't dropped K Fab.
02:07:46.399 --> 02:07:47.439
I was thinking that too.
02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:54.960
He's still like just in character after all these green tongue and everything.
02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:56.239
We're gonna get him.
02:07:56.399 --> 02:07:58.640
We're gonna oh and Shinse.
02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:03.199
Uh speaking uh uh Shinte Nakamura is also very fun to watch.
02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:04.720
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:08.319
And uh um Osaka or what's her name?
02:08:08.720 --> 02:08:09.199
Osaka.
02:08:09.439 --> 02:08:10.720
Oh, Bray Wyatt as well.
02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:28.239
I enjoyed watching him and his journey and like because he's created like at one time he had three characters at the same time on the shows, and then he brought in Alexa Bliss as as a side foil, you know, as basically a sidekick or not sidekick, but partner in crime type thing.
02:08:28.479 --> 02:08:43.600
So just watching every everyone that gets extremely creative with their character, like oh, Bailey is also someone who went through a journey uh uh Rhea Riley, uh Rhea Ripley, Rhea Ripley.
02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:45.600
I guess I know all the wrestler names.
02:08:45.920 --> 02:09:11.359
Who's in uh Terrifier 4 because she's like a huge she's like I guess the closest thing to like the the that like alternative Undertaker like yeah that that old school like style she's like more more like everybody is now where everybody is doesn't have like crazy insane personalities, but but yeah, she's a lot of fun, she's cool to watch.
02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:13.199
What about you, Christian?
02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:14.640
You got a favorite?
02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:30.960
Uh I'm just sorry, I am looking at a picture of the Hardy Boys because I wasn't I think I was confusing them with someone else, and I was, and all I gotta say is uh to these guys is man, in the like late 90s, early 2000s, the line it was amazing that anyone ever called anyone gay.
02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:38.000
As it like it's it's so like just come on, guys.
02:09:38.640 --> 02:09:39.039
Yeah.
02:09:39.279 --> 02:09:44.079
This is if you just change the music these guys walk into, this is a pride parade.
02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:48.159
Like a hundred percent.
02:09:48.399 --> 02:09:59.359
Um my favorite wrestler, I I really think like probably the the hacks on Jim Duggan just because that's like exemplary of the the visual motif of wrestling for me.
02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:14.079
I feel like it's like these spikes of like people that broke through the mainstream or the broke through the noise of like wrestling to become like mainstream household names, your cold uh your cold stone Steve, Steve Some bitches, uh The Rock, um, you know, Hulk Hogan.
02:10:14.319 --> 02:10:17.439
But of I think probably my favorite wrestler is uh Mr.
02:10:17.600 --> 02:10:31.119
Krap, which is the wrestler I created for the video game SmackDown Here Comes the Pain on the PlayStation, who had one huge arm and one small, impossibly skinny arm and wore a trench coat and had a Liberty Spikes Mohawk.
02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:35.039
Uh he's not a very popular wrestler, but I love him.
02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:36.239
I love him.
02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:45.520
Uh I think my my pop my favorite wrestler, I know that like people who watch wrestling regularly would like listen to this and be like, what the fuck is she smoking?
02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:48.960
Uh uh my favorite wrestler is The Miz.
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And it's because I watched him on the real world and I watched him come into the real world like in 2001 as this little Ohio like farm boy, had never met black people before, had never met gay people before, didn't know the world from shit, and I got to watch him grow there.
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And his dream when he was on the real world was to be a wrestler and to watch him like live out that dream, and like he's fun as hell to watch.
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He's not like the best wrestler or the most skilled, but he shows constant growth, and that's something that's really important to me, I guess.
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So mine is the miss.
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And also George the Animal Steel, it's one of the things me and Mickey bonded over early.
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I love the animal.
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Yeah, they're not known for character growth, so it's nice to know.
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I'm gonna have to look up.
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I don't I don't know anything about that that person.
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Then you if you guys like them, then I then I think I will.
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I I I I I enjoyed just about anything you guys uh are you talking about George the Animal Steel?
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Yeah, oh uh so in the early days of Randy Macho Man Savage when he first came to the WWF and he brought Elizabeth, uh, George the Animal Steel essentially he never talked and he had a green tongue.
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And he would uh in the middle of a match go to the turnbuckle and chew it off and expose the metal and then slam people's head into it.
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And he developed a severe crush on Elizabeth.
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So anytime that she was ringside, he would get mesmerized by her, and that was like the only time he would lose was he was looking at how beautiful she was.
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That that reminds me special shout out to Nikita Lyons, who who uh is a wrestler now, who actually uh she shared my story or my clip about her because I I said I haven't watched wrestling in a long time, but there's a woman who uh she does a split and sits on the face of the other woman she's fighting.
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That's her finishing move, and I was like, I'm back into wrestling, baby.
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Amazing.
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Oh, and for the girls out there.
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My favorite like side character who's not a wrestler is I uh almost wanted him as hat for Halloween one year.
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Uh, I know he's probably a terrible person, but the character of Jerry Lawler is fucking amazing.
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Fucking amazing.
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He just gets so excited about things.
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All right, so best ringside announcer.
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Yeah, while it is not a complete answer, it is it answers the question of why.
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Uh, I think we've we've gotten to why there's so much more uh to to the beginning and pre-uh days, and there's so much more since that time that they fully took over, but that's why.
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Uh uh we'll be back next week.
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Uh, what is the question that we have to face for next week?
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I'm so excited about this one.
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Um, I'm so excited to see Zach's reaction.
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Uh why do women get mad when men oh shit, I fucked it up.
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Why do women get mad when they see a man relaxing?
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Why women be shopping?
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I literally cannot wait to talk about this.
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That's a great question.
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I'm sad I won't, I'm sad I'll only be editing it because I have so many thoughts on that.
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That's a way to do that.
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When you hit when that hit your brain, all I can see is you like with beakers and like test tubes and like writing shit down, like with the other women like in lab coats, like on a giant chalkboard.
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That's so funny.
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All right.
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Uh don't forget to tune in to Reasonably Afraid, uh, where you get to hear Zach go into deep dives of horror movies.
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Uh and with that, uh, I'll leave you with a quote from the Iron Sheik.
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Impossible for wrestler to become doctor or the mechanic.
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All they know is the wrestling, and forever they do this job.
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And Katy Perry looked like Kermit the Frog.
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All right.
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Good hanging out with you.
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It was all right.
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Take care, man.
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No, it was nothing.