Ridley Scott's Legend - 1985 Tim Curry/Tom Cruise/Mia Sara Film

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When it's Jonathan and today I've got another
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episode in my fairy tale grab bag series for
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you. Today I'm joined by my friend Sam to talk
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about one of her favorite films of all time,
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Ridley Scott's Legend. This is a movie I've wanted
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to talk about on every version ever for a while,
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ever since I started talking about more fairy
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tales, but there really wasn't a perfect way
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to get this one in since Legend is not an adaptation
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of anything. But as soon as I came up with the
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grab bag idea, I knew this was finally my chance.
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Like I said, today I'm joined by my friend Sam,
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and she and I have talked about a lot of her
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favorite movies over the years, but this time
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we are talking about her all -time favorite childhood
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film. We recorded this one a few years ago now,
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and at the time, I'd never seen this movie, so
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I didn't know what to expect. My main memory
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of this movie is the cover of the VHS, and apparently
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that was enough for my brain to start inventing
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things. I vaguely remember finding this movie
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in my uncle's basement, along with all his other
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tapes we wouldn't have been allowed to watch.
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I also vaguely remember a discussion between
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me and my cousin Shana about this being a scary
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movie, and I don't remember if she'd ever seen
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this either, or if this discussion was based
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only on seeing the cover. But either way, we
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left it where it was, and I'd never watched it.
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it since. I might have seen a clip of this movie
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at some point, but my only real memory of Legend
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wasn't even real, because if you had asked me
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what this movie was about before I watched it
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with Sam, I would have said Tim Curry as a giant
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red centaur. I don't know why, but whatever I
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saw as a kid made me think there was a giant
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centaur in this movie. I guess Tim Curry's Darkness
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character is probably closer to a minotaur, but
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still, I could have sworn he had four legs. Anyway,
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we are here today because this is Sam's favorite
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movie of all time, and those are my favorite
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kinds of episodes to record. So let's get into
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my conversation with Sam on Ridley Scott's Legend.
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Through the cameras of one of the most innovative
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filmmakers of our generation comes a motion picture
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to fire the spirit, to excite the senses, to
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captivate the eye. Ridley Scott's Legend. So
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this is your favorite movie of all time? This
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is my number one favorite movie of all time.
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It has never, ever been a question. Yeah. I've
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been watching this since I was probably like
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five. Unlike the other movies that I watched
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since I was five, this was one I was allowed
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to watch. So what is it about this one that you
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love so much? Everything. Everything. It's just,
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you don't get a lot of... fantasy movies that
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are just so... I mean, it's 80s, so it's cheesy.
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I mean, it's got unicorns. It's got Tim Curry
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as the devil. We get a young Tom Cruise. Mia
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Sara is good. Elves, dwarves, the soundtrack,
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the practical effects, the goblins, the witches,
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the creatures. It's just what's not to love,
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especially when you love fantasy shows. Nowadays,
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fantasy shows are either great like Lord of the
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Rings or they're bad like, you know, The Hobbit
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movies. And it's just an old school fantasy show.
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And it's just, when I was a little girl, it was
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just everything I could ever wanted in a movie.
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Growing up, I realized I liked Tim Curry as darkness
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maybe a little too much. But again, as someone
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who loves practical effects and makeup, Tim Curry...
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as the devil or darkness i guess he's not the
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devil his makeup and practical effects are so
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good and they even got nominated for an oscar
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they didn't win it should have i don't know what
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else is nominated that year but just looking
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at tim curry and not knowing that it's tim curry
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until like you laughed when you saw his laugh
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you know it's only his upper lip you can see
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but yeah i don't know everything about it it's
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just my favorite movie yeah rob botten he's the
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one who came in and designed the special effects
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and the makeup and stuff and he also did The
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Howling which is another one of my favorite movies
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and The Thing John Carpenter's The Thing which
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is another favorite movie so I'm not surprised
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that the special effects in this movie are so
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good and the makeup's good because that guy they
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really know how to do their makeup and practical
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effects so yeah Tim Curry is the standout of
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this oh absolutely great as always it was weird
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seeing tom cruise as a young tom cruise yeah
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this was like his seventh movie and it makes
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me laugh because right before this he made outsiders
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which is one of my favorite books of all time
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and then he went to make top gun immediately
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after this which i'm like his acting skills like
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he's not a bad actor in legend he's fine but
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for him to go from legend immediately to make
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top gun I thought there'd be a few movies between
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Legend and Top Gun, but nope, he went 1985 Legend,
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1986 Top Gun. I was like, wow. I thought it was
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interesting. I read that Johnny Depp, Jim Carrey,
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and Robert Downey Jr. were all considered for
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his role. I read that too. I'm so glad Tom Cruise
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got it. Yeah, especially not Jim Carrey. Oh my
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God, that. Jim Carrey has proved he can be a
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serious actor, but that was only quite later
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in his life. Yeah. So I can't imagine Ace Ventura
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in Legend. I could see him doing darkness. Or
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a goblin. That too. A goblin, maybe. But not...
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The Grinch is practically a goblin. He is, yeah.
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Yeah, we know he can sit through hours of makeup,
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but... And, I mean, a young Robert Downey Jr.,
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maybe. I haven't really seen him in too much
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other than, like, Iron Man. But, yeah, I'm glad
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it went to Tom Cruise. Yeah, it's always interesting
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to see somebody before they become huge. Well,
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like I said, that would have been his next movie
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was Top Gun. And that's probably what... That's
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pretty much launched him. I mean, The Outsiders
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he's really good in, but everybody in that movie
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is really good. And they're all so young, so...
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But yeah, it was right after that Top Gun. So
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that's when we get the Tom Cruise we know today.
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It's kind of crazy. And then we have Mia Sara
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as Princess Lily. And it was her first movie.
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I didn't realize she's married to Brian Henson,
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Jim Henson's son. I didn't know that either.
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All I know is she was in Ferris Bueller's Day
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Off, and that's the only other movie I know her
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from. Because I looked through her list, and
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I'm like, no, just... Just those two is the only
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two I've seen, I recognize her from. And of course,
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Tim Curry's stage presence and movie filmography
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was already like four sheets long by the time
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he did Legend. I mean, he was already a legend
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by the time he played Darkness. And most of the
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rest of the people I was not familiar with. You
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have David Bennett as Honeythorn Gump, who apparently
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was 19 in that role. I thought he was like 12.
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Yeah, he was a little guy. And you commented
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when we watched it that they dubbed his voice.
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Yeah. And I guess it's because his accent was
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too German. I'm like, well, it's a fantasy fairy
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tale. A lot of those are German. But I am glad
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they dubbed it. I can't imagine him sounding
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any different. Yeah, the dubbing was done by
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the same person who played Blix, the leader of
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the goblins, Alice Platon. I'm not familiar with
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her either, but I recognize that she'd done a
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lot of voice work and things that... i had seen
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over the years so when i looked over her list
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i was like oh she does a lot of voice work because
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i think i've seen some of this well i feel like
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the voice was the biggest thing for these two
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characters anyway so it makes sense yep billy
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barty of screwball cork hubert as brown tom peter
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o 'farrell as pox and annabelle layton as una
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didn't know any of them no and kieran shawn as
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blunder he was in all lord of the rings movies
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so i recognized him from behind the scenes but
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i actually confused him with deep roy and then
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his wikipedia page said that he's often confused
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for deep roy i'm pretty sure we had to pause
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the movie because you were just like I know that
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guy from somewhere. Is it this guy? And I'm just
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like, I don't know, man. Well, I was thinking
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it was the guy who played all the Oompa Loompas
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in the recent Willy Wonka movie. But that was
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Deep Roy. Well, when you pulled it up and we
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looked at them side by side, it was like, oh,
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yeah, they do look quite similar. Especially
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since this was in the 80s, so he's much younger.
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And he's also got makeup and prosthetics plastered
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on his face, too. Like all of them, except for
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Tom Cruise and Mia Sara. Well, the one that surprised
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me the most was the person who played Meg Mucklebone.
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Yes, I love him. Robert Picardo, who was the
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doctor on Star Trek Voyager, which is the Star
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Trek that I watched growing up. He's done a lot
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of creature work like that. I think he likes
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to be under all the makeup. I could tell whoever
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was playing it was having a blast. Oh, yeah.
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He was having a good time with that role. Well,
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it's Meg Mucklebone. He's awesome. Again, another
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reason why I like this show, because you're just
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like, wow, that Swamp Witch is cool. Like, I
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want to create characters like that. So apparently
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there are two versions of this. We watched the
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original. We watched the theatrical. Okay. And
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then I watched... The director's cut. I think
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I liked the one that we watched more. I was kind
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of bored. I have tried to watch the director's
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cut, but like what I told you when I let you
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borrow it, It's not the same soundtrack. I mean,
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I like Jerry Goldsmith. He's a great composer.
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But that 80s Tangerine Dream soundtrack, that's
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what makes it for me. I can't imagine watching
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Legend and not hearing Love by the Sun. It also
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just seemed, well, I mean, it is longer, but
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it seemed so much longer. And it's not. It's
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only, I think, a few minutes longer. But I feel
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like there was different scenes that just...
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kind of dragged well and they cut scenes like
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the thing that got me the most in the uh director's
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cut is they cut the scene where they show blix
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with the unicorn horn when they cut it off i'm
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like why would you cut that scene when he holds
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it up or she holds it up i guess blix is played
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by a woman but they don't specify it's a goblin
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and i'm like why would you cut that scene out
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that's kind of an important scene but yeah it
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it mostly just kind of extends a few scenes and
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for some reason the theatrical cut dubbed over
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the woman telling lily she's a princess which
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i never understood why you'd hide the fact that
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she's a princess because even as a kid i'm like
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she's clearly a princess i would just like a
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royal house i would have guessed yeah because
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i'm like she's dressed like She's dressed like
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Maid Marian in the Robin Hood movie. She looks
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like a princess or like a lady of a high house.
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So I'm like, I don't know why you would hide
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that. So who was that family that she was visiting
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at the beginning? I think it's just someone she
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knows, probably a commoner in her kingdom. I
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think it's just whoever she stopped to pester
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whenever she was going off to see Jack. They
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don't really explain it. I think it's just...
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Probably someone she knows. Maybe it's a house
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she's visited since she was a little girl. Well,
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they acted like they were old friends. Yeah,
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they were very close. So my guess would just
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be somebody she's probably just always gone to
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visit when she goes into the forest. So then
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if she, in the theatrical cut, is she a princess
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or do they take that out completely? I don't
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know. They never call her a princess anywhere.
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But when they leave at the end, I've always assumed
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that's where they were going back to was her
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kingdom or her home. But I think it's more up
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to your interpretation. You can look at her as
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a princess or a woman from a rich house or just
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somebody who doesn't live in the forest and dresses
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very nice. So then is Jack human? I have always
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assumed Jack was not human because... They call
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him Jack of the Green, which is a green man,
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which is from a lot of Irish and Scottish and
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English folklore, the green man. It's a really
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long, complicated history, but he pretty much
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represents fertility and spring and life, and
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oddly enough, life, death, and rebirth, which
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is basically what happens in the movie. They
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go through life, they go through the winter of
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death, and then... When they bring the unicorn
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back, rebirth. But I always assumed Jack was
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an immortal. Because Gump calls him a forest
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child. And then his official name in the movie
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is Jack of the Green, which is another name for
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the green man. So I've always assumed Jack was
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not human. Okay. That he's just an immortal forest
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child who protects the forest. Maybe he's still
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a little young, which is why he makes a few mistakes.
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So did they change his... relationship to gump
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between the two versions of the movie because
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i thought when we first watched it i thought
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they knew each other but in the longer version
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it was like they were meeting for the first time
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i assumed they had never met before because when
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gump i i got the impression that maybe jack and
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gump knew of each other but they had never formally
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met because gump introduces himself as honeythorne
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gump at your service okay I must have just missed
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that because I was watching it last night and
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I was like, wait a minute, I thought they were
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friends. Why is this whole extremely long scene?
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I feel like that scene had to have been lengthened.
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It felt so much longer. Yeah, I've only seen
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little parts of the director's cut. I never actually
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sat down and watched the whole thing. I just
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kind of looked up the clips on YouTube because
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I tried to watch it. I'm like, it's not the right
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soundtrack. I don't like it. It's not the same.
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I was bored, and I feel like the music wasn't
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as good, even though the music was more... Kind
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of fitting. It made it feel more timeless, but
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it needed the 80s soundtrack. It needs that 80s.
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It's an 80s movie. It needs that 80s soundtrack.
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Pretty much the consensus is if you watched the
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theatrical cut as a kid, it's your favorite.
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If you watched the director's cut when you were
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older, because I don't think as a kid you'd probably
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get through it, it's your favorite. So it's kind
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of like whichever one you watched first is going
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to be the one that you like the most. Well, I
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guess that still holds up for me because I watched
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the original first. So yeah, I watched it last
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and I was like, this does not feel the same.
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No, it doesn't feel the same. So I guess the
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main point of the movie is the Lord of Darkness
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is sending the goblins to kill the unicorn or
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both of them. Both of them. And then he wants
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the horn. or like what why did he need the horn
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did it ever explain uh they never explained why
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they collected i know in the show they call them
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alicorns and i don't know if that's the official
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name for a unicorn horn i've heard it used different
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ways but they never say if he actually wants
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the horns i think he just wants them dead and
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we know by the end of the show if you put the
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alicorn back The unicorn comes back to life.
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So it makes sense he would want them to keep
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them separated from the dead animal. So you can't
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just bring them back to life suddenly. But he
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just wants them dead because he wants the world
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frozen in darkness. So he can leave his lair.
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Okay. That was one of the things that was like...
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this doesn't exactly make sense but also it's
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a fairy tale so i'm just going to go with it
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because i was like why is everything freezing
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when the unicorn dies yeah it's because he's
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it's he's well like gump says you know they trapped
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you we've been trapped in a season of death and
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so when time freezes there everything just gets
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frozen over because it's all frozen in time yeah
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it's one of those things where A lot of times
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I'll overthink things. And then with a movie
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like this, it's just like, it's a fairy tale.
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It's a fantasy. You just go with it. Like fantasies
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usually don't make too much sense. It's just,
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you just go with the story. There's also the
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fairy. And I don't remember if I mentioned this
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while we were watching it, but I thought again
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last night, I was like, the sounds this fairy
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is making reminds me of the aliens and signs.
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The little squeaks and chitters and stuff. Hmm.
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Never really thought about it that way. I always
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just thought she was just being an annoying little
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brat. Because that's how fairies are in old folklore.
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They're annoying, they're pestering, and they'll
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eat you. I don't think Uno would eat anybody.
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But a lot of fairies do. I just assumed she was
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just being... She reminds me a lot of, in Legend
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of Zelda, the little fairy that goes with Link.
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Oh, hey, hey, hey, listen. You know, it just
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kind of reminded me of that a lot. Like just
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always annoying people, always pestering people.
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But you need her there. But she's also just like
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annoying little because she doesn't tell Gump
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who she is. He doesn't know she can transform
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until they're trapped because he calls her. What
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does he call her? He calls her a sprite. I don't
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know if he calls her a hateful sprite or. Something
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along those lines. So he don't trust her either.
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But I did always like Una as a kid. I just wish
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the special effects at the time would have given
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her wings a little bit more to do instead of
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just stuck to her back. Yeah. But I always liked
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her design because it is very otherworldly and
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it is very non -human the way she looks. There's
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something about her that seemed familiar and
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I wasn't sure if it was... The way she was made
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up or the actress. But I didn't recognize anything
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else the actress had been in. So I don't know.
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It's probably the way she was made up was made
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up similar to some other movie. Or other movies
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after Legend. It could have been. Her contacts
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always struck me because they're so vibrant.
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I'm assuming they're contacts because her pupils
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don't really dilate when the sun shines in her
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face. But it always just kind of struck me how
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vibrant her eyes were. And I always liked how
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wild her hair was because she's a fairy. You
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know, she's wild and free, just like she says.
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And I don't remember if this was in the theatrical
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version or not, but I noticed that last night
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when Lily goes back to the family that are her
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friends, there's a frozen baby. Yeah, I know
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there's a crib. I don't know if they show the
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baby. Well, they definitely showed it in the
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one I watched last night. Okay, so they must
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have cut that from the theatrical. Because I
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know there's a crib. Because I know she looks
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at it. But I don't recall if I see a baby. Or
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if it's just like when it rocks, you just barely
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see it. And I know as a kid, I never could decide.
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I'm like, is it a baby or is it a doll? i i thought
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that too but that was like well it's obviously
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meant to be a baby yeah well i know that like
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it's supposed to be a baby but i'm always like
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is it her baby i guess i just assumed that it
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was the couple's kid yeah because there was a
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man and a woman so well we don't see the man
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in the theatrical cut i wondered that too because
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i was like we only see two people before nope
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in the theatrical cut we only see her okay So
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that's another difference. And I did wonder that
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last night. I was like, I only remember the lady.
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Yeah, we only see her. Nell. That's her name.
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Nell. Okay. So I guess maybe it's just me forgetting,
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but did they, was the quest to save the unicorn
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or was it to save Lily or was it both? I think
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for Jack it was to save Lily and for Gump it
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was to save the unicorn and they just kind of
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had to work together. Okay. I don't think Jack
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going in really cared about the unicorn at first.
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I don't think not until he talked to the mayor
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and said, you know, we have to get the horn back.
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But I think for Jack, the number one priority
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was Lily, even though he knew he had to get the
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unicorn horn back. But I think for Jack, if he
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couldn't save her, well, then what's the point?
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You know, because his number one priority at
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the end. is to save Lily and Gump's is to save
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the unicorn. So I think they're working together
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because they both know what they have to do.
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But I think Jack's thoughts are very much directed
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toward Lily and not so much the unicorn because
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Gump and his friends, that's who they're after.
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They don't care about Lily. The way they look
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at it, she caused all this. And then by the end,
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she's, you know, by his side in her pretty little
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dress. What do you think of all of the elf creatures?
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Were they... I'm assuming you liked them since
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you grew up with the movie. But they seem to
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me like something that could be really annoying
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for some people. I think if there would have
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been more of them, it would have been really
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annoying. But growing up with it, I liked Brown
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Tom and Screwball. They're annoying, but they're
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not because they know what they're doing. They
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know... How to do things. And they follow Gump.
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And they do as ordered. Even though they whine
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about it. I think if they would have been in
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the movie more. They would have been a lot more
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annoying. But since it cuts between. Them and.
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Everything else so much. I don't really mind
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them too much. But I can see how they probably
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would be. Very annoying little characters. But
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I liked them. And I liked their designs. And
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I liked how they looked. And how they talked.
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What about Blunder? That, I don't really have.
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Well, like, what was up with him anyway? I don't
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know. I don't know if he got caught and he was
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working undercover, like maybe, or if he got
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recruited. They don't really talk too much about
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why he's there and what he's doing. Because,
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I mean, he turns on him real quick. Yeah. And
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kind of outs himself immediately. So I don't
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know if he was... working undercover or if he
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got too close and got caught and just decided
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to just stay there and just observe i mean he
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didn't really strike me as too smart so i don't
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know and gump definitely didn't know he was there
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and gump's kind of in charge so i think somewhere
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on the cutting room floor is probably more of
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his story probably it's probably one of those
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things where it's like yeah we don't need to
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explain this Or maybe it could be kind of like
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a Lord of the Rings thing, too, where maybe the
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bad guys take the elves and turn them into villains.
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Because that's what happened in Lord of the Rings
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with the elves, is the elves got corrupted and
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became like the Uruk -hai and the goblins and
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all that stuff. So maybe it's just they took
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a page from that. Maybe they just were like,
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what the hell? It's supposed to be partially
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a kid's show. Let's have him be... An annoying
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little character who we're going to bake into
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a cake. Or a pie. Well, we should also talk about
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the part where Lily is not necessarily taken,
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but sort of enchanted away. Seduced. I always
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looked at it as she was being seduced. You're
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talking about when she is captured and... With
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the dancing dress. With the dancing and the dress
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and everything. I always looked at that as...
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Because Darkness, when he sees her, he wants
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her. And... he asked his mother because you hear
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the voice on the wind because he just wants to
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take her and he said and the voice says charm
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her woo her seduce her so he's giving her all
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the things a princess would want jewelry wine
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food and it's i think it's him seducing her because
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he doesn't he tells her later he loves her but
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it's not love it's lust because that's the whole
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point of legend Like with the opening crawl,
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they talk about no light without dark, no love
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without hate, you know. And I think it's just
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her just not knowing what to do because she's
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never been in a situation like that before. And
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she's scared and she's alone. I think she just
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allows herself to be seduced by this, you know,
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:54.140
in a moment of weakness. Because she doesn't
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stay that way. You know, she's weak for a moment.
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But she still talks back to him. She still betrays
00:27:01.009 --> 00:27:02.950
him. So she's stronger than she looks. But I
00:27:02.950 --> 00:27:05.490
think in that moment was just a little slip.
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So you don't think she was pretending at that
00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:12.140
moment? No, I don't think so. Well, I know that
00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:15.539
that scene is one of the scenes where the music
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made a big difference. Yeah, it's more like a
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.619
jewelry box lullaby kind of thing in the director's
00:27:21.619 --> 00:27:25.859
cut, isn't it? It was boring. Oh. It just felt
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different. It's like, I don't know. I need to
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.160
watch them side by side to figure out exactly
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.559
what I thought, but this does not feel the same.
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.099
No, I do like the music. I mean, obviously, I
00:27:39.099 --> 00:27:40.700
like the music more than the theatrical, but
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it is more, it's got more of like a beat to it.
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You know, you're just like, I can see how if
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.799
she heard this music, she would want to dance
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:53.940
with this sparkly person, you know, and be seduced
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:58.109
by that. Kind of be lulled into thinking maybe
00:27:58.109 --> 00:28:00.269
this isn't gonna hurt her when all she's seen
00:28:00.269 --> 00:28:02.289
is scary things that look like they're gonna
00:28:02.289 --> 00:28:05.789
get her Since everything moves and watches her
00:28:05.789 --> 00:28:08.990
as she runs through the palace. Yeah another
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.759
thing I was wondering about did she sing in the
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.539
theatrical or the No, she does not but I know
00:28:16.539 --> 00:28:18.460
she sings in the director's cut. Yeah, cuz she
00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:20.339
started seeing I was like, I don't remember this
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:24.079
I know I I think I saw a clip of that and I was
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.819
like, um No, that's okay. Yeah, I don't think
00:28:27.819 --> 00:28:30.279
it was needed. No, I mean, I know that was the
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.079
thing, again, going back to Lord of the Rings,
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.160
because there's a lot of singing in those books.
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.160
A lot. So that kind of made me think of that,
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.640
like, well, a lot of these older things have
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.900
singing in them, so let's throw in a song. Sometimes
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you don't need it. No, we don't need to hear
00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:54.329
Lily sing. That's okay. We can convey it some
00:28:54.329 --> 00:28:58.829
other way. Well, is there anything else in the
00:28:58.829 --> 00:29:00.450
middle of the movie you want to talk about before
00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:03.930
we get to the showdown? I'm surprised you don't
00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:05.930
want to talk about the unicorns making whale
00:29:05.930 --> 00:29:10.589
sounds. Oh, I forgot about that. That's true.
00:29:11.109 --> 00:29:12.869
Because when we were watching it, you're like,
00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:17.009
is that a whale? Yeah, that was a choice. I think
00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:19.589
it's because the way I've always looked at it
00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:24.430
is what more ethereal sound is there than a whale
00:29:24.430 --> 00:29:29.099
song? Yeah. I suppose. You know, it's just like,
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.740
what sounds more haunting and alien and beautiful
00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:36.940
than a whale sound? That's kind of how I always
00:29:36.940 --> 00:29:39.059
looked at it. Because it's like, they do make
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:42.180
noises like a horse. But would a unicorn actually
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:45.680
sound like a horse? I think that's why they put
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.440
those sounds in there. Because it's just so enchanting
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.680
and haunting. And somebody who lives in the middle
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.299
of the forest isn't going to know what a whale
00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:54.960
sounds like. Yeah. You know, they wouldn't know.
00:29:55.589 --> 00:29:57.269
I think it probably just stood out to me because
00:29:57.269 --> 00:29:59.450
I watched too many nature documentaries. Right.
00:29:59.450 --> 00:30:02.410
Even as a little kid, I was just like, that sounds
00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:05.710
like a whale. But I'm cool with it because it
00:30:05.710 --> 00:30:10.309
works. You know, and I love just the whole scene
00:30:10.309 --> 00:30:13.230
with the unicorns when they first come. I think
00:30:13.230 --> 00:30:17.849
they did a great job making them look very, you
00:30:17.950 --> 00:30:20.029
know, they're pearly white, they're clean, they're
00:30:20.029 --> 00:30:22.250
very beautiful horses. I know they had to like...
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.359
smuggle those horses out of another country to
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.700
like film this movie and I know they're all stallions
00:30:28.700 --> 00:30:30.380
or geldings because I mean you can tell when
00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:32.940
you watch the movie as a little kid obsessed
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:36.220
with horses I'm like that ain't no mare but I
00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:39.299
don't care you know and I love the design of
00:30:39.299 --> 00:30:41.700
the horn which is how I've done a lot of the
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:44.319
art with my unicorns and I love the placement
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.099
on the forehead and just I thought they did a
00:30:48.099 --> 00:30:50.339
great job and the sound stage where they filmed
00:30:50.859 --> 00:30:52.839
Is just gorgeous. Like they don't make sound
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.000
stages like that anymore. Yeah, I forgot about
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.119
that. You said that it was all filmed on a sound
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.559
stage. It really does look like outside. Well,
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.680
they filmed it on the 007 sound stage. Because
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.940
it was the biggest one at the time, I think.
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.400
And then it burned down. It caught fire and the
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.279
whole thing burned down. They had like so many
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.619
days left of filming. And the whole thing burned.
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:17.799
So they had to rebuild it. And then the scenes
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.250
with Nell's cabin. They filmed outside somewhere.
00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:25.130
And then I think the scene with the unicorns
00:31:25.130 --> 00:31:28.910
when she approaches them, I think they filmed
00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:31.740
that outside somewhere as well. I don't know
00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:33.619
what happened. I think it was a wire because
00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:36.980
all the trees are fake because Ridley Scott,
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.259
who directed it, originally I think he wanted
00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:44.599
to film in Yosemite at Sequoias. That's where
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.180
he got the idea for the forest but realized you
00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:50.170
couldn't. you know film in a national park like
00:31:50.170 --> 00:31:52.769
that so they built the trees and they planted
00:31:52.769 --> 00:31:55.849
a bunch of plants and so they had like birds
00:31:55.849 --> 00:31:57.769
living in there and all this other stuff and
00:31:57.769 --> 00:32:01.160
they had planted flowers and i think just like
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.700
probably i'm pretty sure i read it was a wiring
00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:07.319
thing and whole set just burned down they said
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.980
there were flames shooting out the top of it
00:32:08.980 --> 00:32:12.740
and everything like i can't imagine being like
00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:16.750
oh no all my hard work The Lord of Darkness.
00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:19.450
Yeah. Tim Curry's like, get me out of this damn
00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:21.710
makeup. I'm going to burn this soundstage down.
00:32:22.730 --> 00:32:25.329
And I know they used like five soundstages to
00:32:25.329 --> 00:32:27.809
build all the sets because it's how they did
00:32:27.809 --> 00:32:30.349
things in the 80s. You built the sets, which
00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:34.009
is why everything looks so big and alien and
00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:37.730
different. I love how Jack just wants to show
00:32:37.730 --> 00:32:41.069
her, you know, because he loves her, the unicorns.
00:32:41.069 --> 00:32:43.450
And then she kind of, it's kind of the first
00:32:43.450 --> 00:32:46.220
step of her giving into temptation. when she
00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:49.019
goes to touch the unicorn because jack tells
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.599
her you can't do this but she's a princess and
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.640
she does what she wants and it's kind of her
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.420
giving into that temptation it's like darkness
00:32:57.420 --> 00:33:00.559
is influencing her to do it because they're ready
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.180
you know blix is there with the blow dart and
00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:07.579
i always felt like it was him kind of like tempting
00:33:07.579 --> 00:33:12.039
her because that's what he does he tempts people
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.720
and pushes them to do things, but he doesn't
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:19.240
make you do it. And I know in the director's
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.859
cut, the mayor tries to chase her off. I wondered
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:25.220
about that because I didn't remember that happening.
00:33:25.220 --> 00:33:29.819
The mayor tries to chase her away. And when she
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:32.700
won't leave, it's the stallion that she pets.
00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:35.440
Because in a lot of old folklore and a lot of
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.019
like old unicorn lore, it's always the innocent
00:33:39.019 --> 00:33:42.430
maiden who can lure in the unicorn. So if you
00:33:42.430 --> 00:33:45.009
look at like old unicorn tapestries from like
00:33:45.009 --> 00:33:47.470
England and Britain and stuff, they always use
00:33:47.470 --> 00:33:49.490
an innocent maiden to bring in. It's always a
00:33:49.490 --> 00:33:52.130
stallion. It probably has something to do with
00:33:52.130 --> 00:33:55.430
virginity and all that stuff. And that's when
00:33:55.430 --> 00:33:57.490
they would kill the unicorn. You would always
00:33:57.490 --> 00:33:59.769
have the huntsman nearby. And when the innocent
00:33:59.769 --> 00:34:02.009
maiden drew in the unicorn, they would kill it.
00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:05.009
So that's how I always looked at it was it was
00:34:05.009 --> 00:34:08.000
darkness influencing her to touch it. But, I
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.940
mean, honestly, I'd go try touch it, too. It's
00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:12.840
a unicorn. I'd be like, no, it's all right. I'll
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.809
touch it. But she doesn't mean it. You know,
00:34:15.849 --> 00:34:19.070
she doesn't know what she's doing is wrong. Because,
00:34:19.389 --> 00:34:21.309
you know, she's never seen anything like that
00:34:21.309 --> 00:34:24.429
before. And I like how Jack's just like, F this.
00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:27.110
He just turns and leaves. He's like, nope. Well,
00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:30.130
and also, like, how is she supposed to know anyways?
00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:33.010
Because, like, I don't remember if this is a
00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:34.510
difference between the two versions, but the
00:34:34.510 --> 00:34:37.199
one that I watched last night. She asked about
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.840
it, and he said, it is known. Yeah. It is known
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.760
these are sacred animals. Like, if you've never
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.400
been told, how is it known? Yep. And he tries.
00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:49.619
Like, he tells her, no, you mustn't do this.
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:55.380
And she's like, I'm going to do it. I'm going
00:34:55.380 --> 00:34:58.880
to pet that unicorn because it's pretty and I
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.429
want to touch it. And I always love this scene
00:35:02.429 --> 00:35:05.429
where they hunt the unicorn down because they
00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:09.650
filmed. the death of the unicorn in reverse when
00:35:09.650 --> 00:35:11.969
it's falling to the ground you can tell it's
00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:15.090
all reversed from the unicorn standing up because
00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:18.190
it's easier to film a horse getting laying down
00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:20.449
than getting back up again but i like it when
00:35:20.449 --> 00:35:22.630
the cherry blossoms are falling and the snow
00:35:22.630 --> 00:35:25.269
starts to fall and you see there's a tornado
00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:27.250
in the background because it's like like the
00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:29.550
whole world's in chaos because they poisoned
00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:33.150
it which is what i always assumed it was and
00:35:33.150 --> 00:35:37.719
everything's starting to stop and The lake starts
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.980
to freeze and Lily doesn't know what's going
00:35:39.980 --> 00:35:42.400
on. She has no idea, which is why she's still
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.639
teasing Jack. You know, she takes off her ring
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.500
and she's like, I'll marry whoever finds this.
00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:50.039
She thinks it's a joke. She thinks it's funny.
00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:53.340
And again, this is Jack knowing something's wrong,
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.260
but he's so focused on Lily. He doesn't realize
00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:59.400
what they've done until, you know, he almost
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.360
drowns. But I always did like this scene, though,
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.889
where the unicorn falls and they... chop off
00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:08.730
its horn and they're just so proud of themselves
00:36:08.730 --> 00:36:14.269
good god good job guys you did the darkness his
00:36:14.269 --> 00:36:21.059
wishes i liked the part where blunder wants to
00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:24.760
take over i know and at that time we don't know
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.679
he's like an elf and i'm just like i didn't even
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.019
think twice about it i'm just like well they're
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:33.119
goblins like they're always fighting amongst
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.730
each other so he's just like my turn i'm gonna
00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:43.280
i'm gonna do it and then you know the um i think
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.440
they're trying to say that it was darkness who
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.219
popped up and punished him at the end but i always
00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:50.920
assumed it was just like one of his like leaders
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.550
because you don't see his horns But, you know,
00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:55.690
they show up and he's like, that was only a joke.
00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:58.630
I just figured it was like a dead guy or a mummy
00:36:58.630 --> 00:37:01.110
that had been dead a while and he just brought
00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:03.489
him back. Yeah, he's just like, go get that little,
00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:06.650
get that horn and tell him to knock it off. I
00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:08.530
love the way he just grabbed him and jumped in
00:37:08.530 --> 00:37:11.690
a hole. I know. He's like, adios amigos. And
00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:15.070
he just, off he goes. And I'm like, well, I mean,
00:37:15.130 --> 00:37:18.130
yeah, okay. Sure. You know, that's one of those
00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:20.719
moments where you watch Legend. And you see,
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.300
like, the line between Ridley Scott wanting to
00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:26.300
make a kid's fantasy film, because I'm like,
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.699
this is all very kid's fantasy. And then once
00:37:28.699 --> 00:37:31.340
we get to darkness, we get to the more horror
00:37:31.340 --> 00:37:34.400
aspect that he kind of wanted to swing towards
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.219
once they were filming, but was unable to. I
00:37:37.219 --> 00:37:39.659
think they found a good balance, though. It is
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.039
a good balance. It is very, like, watching it
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.960
as an adult, though, it is very kind of like,
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:48.199
there's definitely different. feel like yeah
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.619
this is very much fun and for kids when we're
00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:52.619
focusing on like screwball and brown tom and
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.719
all them and then like i said once we get to
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.179
like lily being seduced and you know darkness
00:37:58.179 --> 00:38:00.179
talking about all his stuff you're just like
00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:02.699
and this is very much more like a little bit
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.880
older but a lot of movies in the 80s were like
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:06.960
that i was just thinking that's kind of a lot
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.820
of just 80s movies in general yeah they kind
00:38:09.820 --> 00:38:14.340
of go from one one feeling to another very quickly
00:38:15.449 --> 00:38:19.510
Yeah. Gremlins is another one. Well, and Indiana
00:38:19.510 --> 00:38:22.909
Jones and the Temple of Doom, too. Which is,
00:38:22.969 --> 00:38:25.230
that and Gremlins inspired the PG -13 rating.
00:38:25.349 --> 00:38:28.090
Because Legends only PG. But you know if it was
00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:31.389
made now, it would be PG -13. Oh, probably. Just
00:38:31.389 --> 00:38:36.789
like Jaws. Jaws is PG. Which is hilarious. Yeah.
00:38:37.449 --> 00:38:39.710
With some of the scenes in there. The blood.
00:38:39.809 --> 00:38:47.610
Like, oh my. Limbs. Quint. Yes. Yeah. So, anyway.
00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:53.000
Well, let's talk about when he is finally revealed.
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.820
Because I forgot that he was revealed so late
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.659
in the film. Like, you actually see him. The
00:38:59.659 --> 00:39:01.820
theatrical cut, we have him in the beginning.
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.239
Because the executives or whatever. So, he was
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.320
in the beginning then. In the theatrical cut,
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.360
he is. In the director's cut, he's not. Because
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.699
I was watching last night. I was like. I could
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:16.519
have sworn we saw him, but he was just in shadow
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.139
and like, oh, I guess I must have forgot that.
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:20.940
But I guess that's another thing that they changed
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:24.760
then. Yep. They changed it for the American audience
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.940
because the American audience, what they were
00:39:28.940 --> 00:39:31.440
back then, I suppose it's true. They're like,
00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:33.619
you need to put something in there to hook people
00:39:33.619 --> 00:39:35.760
because they're not going to be okay with this
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.800
just starting off with Jack and Lily. So that
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.909
scene in the theatrical cut where... Darkness
00:39:42.909 --> 00:39:45.590
is bringing blicks to him and saying, I need
00:39:45.590 --> 00:39:48.329
you to go do this. Well, that scene was there.
00:39:48.389 --> 00:39:51.030
It's just, you never saw him specifically. Yeah.
00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:54.949
And you see him cause he's like, he's like all
00:39:54.949 --> 00:39:57.429
in shadow and he's nails and his eyes are like
00:39:57.429 --> 00:40:00.010
neon green. And I'm like, this is a choice. Why
00:40:00.010 --> 00:40:03.789
is he under a black light? Like, but yeah, they
00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:07.409
do. But you don't actually see him in full makeup
00:40:07.409 --> 00:40:11.840
until like much later in the film. Yeah, the
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.719
part after she has the dress on. Yep. He, like,
00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.000
comes out of a mirror. He pops out and he's like,
00:40:18.019 --> 00:40:25.340
hey, what's up? You look nice. Want to sit in
00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:29.989
this weird chair and have a snack with me? I
00:40:29.989 --> 00:40:32.030
do love it, though. I think it's funny, though,
00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:34.789
that they show, when he comes out, they show
00:40:34.789 --> 00:40:39.030
his hooves, but we never actually see him, like,
00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:42.679
foot to horn. Like his whole body until the fight
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.320
at the end with Jack. Just because I imagine
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.719
it was just easier to film Tim Curry from the
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.019
waist up. You know, I mean, he's wearing enough
00:40:51.019 --> 00:40:53.639
makeup and prosthetics as it is. And I think
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.619
he had to be on some kind of stilt to make him
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:58.179
taller. So I'm sure they're like, whatever we
00:40:58.179 --> 00:41:00.960
can do to make this a little bit easier. Because
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.059
I know he hated all that makeup. I read that
00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:06.579
at one point he got so claustrophobic he ripped
00:41:06.579 --> 00:41:08.980
it off and tore his own skin. Yeah, and started
00:41:08.980 --> 00:41:11.710
hurting himself. Yeah, that would have been.
00:41:11.849 --> 00:41:14.449
And they had to like swap out the horns, which
00:41:14.449 --> 00:41:16.750
you can tell at the end when they had to, when
00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:19.309
they go from the heavier horns to the fiberglass.
00:41:19.869 --> 00:41:21.789
Because like the heavier horns don't move at
00:41:21.789 --> 00:41:23.710
all as he's moving his head and talking because
00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:26.670
it had like a strap on the back of his neck to
00:41:26.670 --> 00:41:29.110
hold him up. But at the end when he's fighting,
00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:31.710
they kind of do move around a little bit. But
00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:33.929
I'm like, I'm fine with that because I understand
00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:36.730
how much pain he was in. I just, I don't want
00:41:36.730 --> 00:41:40.860
Tim Curry to get hurt. So. But yeah, when he
00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:42.619
first pops out of the mirror, which is another
00:41:42.619 --> 00:41:45.300
thing I love, that he comes out of a mirror.
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.840
I just love that. Because so many fantasy stories,
00:41:48.019 --> 00:41:50.460
there's mirror travel. And I'm just like, that's
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.260
just such a great little detail of him coming
00:41:53.260 --> 00:41:57.820
out of a mirror. With all his little glittery,
00:41:57.820 --> 00:41:59.460
everything glitters. That's part of the reason
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.920
why I love the movie so much. Sparkles everywhere.
00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:08.780
Very 80s. Very 80s. Everybody has glitter. I
00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:11.659
do like, though. When him and Lily have their
00:42:11.659 --> 00:42:14.900
first conversation, I like the theatrical cut
00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:19.980
much more because she yells at him. Because he
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:22.559
wants her to sit and talk. I do like that he's
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.039
like, I value your thoughts. I want to talk to
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.559
you. And she tells him, I do nothing for your
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.320
pleasure. And he gets pissed, swipes all the
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.219
food off the table, yells at her, and she laughs
00:42:34.219 --> 00:42:38.639
and she hides from him. I don't know why. I just
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:40.900
always liked that. Because now you're like...
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:45.619
is she going along with this is she scared or
00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:48.840
is she now playing him because she doesn't know
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.619
yet what he wants to do but i just always i always
00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:54.380
love though that she gets that little bit of
00:42:54.380 --> 00:42:57.099
backbone and she tells him i do nothing for your
00:42:57.099 --> 00:42:59.320
pleasure because she's like i'm not falling for
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.219
this and then when he gets mad and starts yelling
00:43:01.219 --> 00:43:05.170
she laughs oh don't forget all the fun stuff
00:43:05.170 --> 00:43:08.210
when we uh first go down into the hole we got
00:43:08.210 --> 00:43:11.730
to get to the tree first with meg muckle bones
00:43:11.730 --> 00:43:16.079
who i i love i love that she wants to eat him
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.480
and she doesn't want to eat the fairies because
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.420
they taste bad was she supposed to be like a
00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:24.559
specific kind of creature i think she's just
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.139
a swamp witch okay that's what i always took
00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:29.659
her i think she's got a name or something but
00:43:29.659 --> 00:43:32.059
i always just took her as a swamp witch it's
00:43:32.059 --> 00:43:35.539
a swamp looks like a witch you know she wants
00:43:35.539 --> 00:43:38.519
to eat jack And, you know, they use the other
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.980
little guy's bait. Like, get out there. You go
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:42.840
first. And she don't want to eat them because
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.960
they taste bad. I always like that. When she's
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.280
like, foul -tasting fairy. And I'm like, oh,
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.840
poor guy. You don't even taste good. I like that
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.739
they distracted her with her own reflection.
00:43:53.300 --> 00:43:56.519
Yeah, it's very Medusa -like, too. Because he
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.880
tells her she's beautiful. I think he does that
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.380
more in the director's cut. They have a little
00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:05.659
bit more conversation. Because he tells her she's
00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:08.030
beautiful. and gets her to look at her reflection
00:44:08.030 --> 00:44:11.409
it's a little bit more cut a little closer together
00:44:11.409 --> 00:44:13.849
in the theatrical cut not as much talking okay
00:44:13.849 --> 00:44:16.369
that's one of those situations where like no
00:44:16.369 --> 00:44:18.429
let them talk a little bit more that makeup's
00:44:18.429 --> 00:44:22.190
fantastic it's one of those things where it would
00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:24.590
be nice to have like some sort of a combination
00:44:24.590 --> 00:44:28.090
between the two right like have all the good
00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:32.480
parts of the extended version But not every extended
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.880
part of the extended version. With the music
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.659
from the theatrical cut. Yes, yes. Because that
00:44:37.659 --> 00:44:40.559
music did make a difference. I'm sure that's
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.599
one of the reasons why I felt like it was dragging
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.280
on. Yep. Well, and I know that the theatrical
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.860
cut, they did add a few more action scenes, like
00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:49.320
when they're going through the prison and those
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.900
cat people jump out. Oh, I forgot about that.
00:44:53.019 --> 00:44:55.199
That wasn't in there. That is the most jarring
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.639
scene in the movie because they added it because
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.980
they felt American audiences needed more action
00:44:59.980 --> 00:45:02.380
in their movie. I'm glad to know we're all just
00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:04.900
so ADD and stupid. They're like, throw an action
00:45:04.900 --> 00:45:06.539
scene in or they're going to not pay attention.
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.159
But it's so jarring that you're like, what's
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.639
happening? Why is this happening? I don't mind
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.599
it, but it's just so sudden. I'm like, you could
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.260
have just made the other action scenes a little
00:45:18.260 --> 00:45:20.260
bit better when they're fighting those giant...
00:45:21.010 --> 00:45:24.170
creatures and they boil the one alive but the
00:45:24.170 --> 00:45:26.769
special effects are a little iffy so you're kind
00:45:26.769 --> 00:45:30.630
of like huh like i know what's happening but
00:45:30.630 --> 00:45:32.869
you can tell they're kind of limited by the times
00:45:32.869 --> 00:45:34.409
because i think their budget for this was like
00:45:34.409 --> 00:45:37.269
25 million which was probably really good back
00:45:37.269 --> 00:45:41.050
then but there are a few little spots in there
00:45:41.050 --> 00:45:43.070
where they added something just to have a little
00:45:43.070 --> 00:45:45.730
bit more action where it's just a little some
00:45:45.730 --> 00:45:48.210
of the cuts during the end like when they're
00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:51.869
going through darkness's place some of the cuts
00:45:51.869 --> 00:45:54.909
are a little odd and i i imagine that's probably
00:45:54.909 --> 00:45:57.050
just because that's where they cut from the director's
00:45:57.050 --> 00:45:59.150
cut because i know they had to cut the movie
00:45:59.150 --> 00:46:02.710
down a lot i mean it was let me see if there's
00:46:02.710 --> 00:46:06.170
a like a time 89 minutes for the theatrical cut
00:46:06.170 --> 00:46:09.329
114 minutes for the director's cut and i think
00:46:09.329 --> 00:46:12.449
it was originally like 155 minutes so then they
00:46:12.449 --> 00:46:15.409
had to cut it like twice for the theatrical cut
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:18.440
So a lot of it's just like, I wonder what they
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.480
cut here that would have made this scene a little
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.510
smoother. Well, there were parts where it just
00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:26.550
felt like it just took forever. So I'm sure they
00:46:26.550 --> 00:46:28.389
were just cutting out a lot of dialogue. A lot
00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:30.429
of dialogue, I imagine. I don't think they would
00:46:30.429 --> 00:46:32.869
cut fight scenes. Because a lot of, you know,
00:46:32.889 --> 00:46:36.030
choreography. Not for ADD Americans. No. That's
00:46:36.030 --> 00:46:37.670
why they shoved that weird scene with those cat
00:46:37.670 --> 00:46:40.079
people in there. And I'm just like, and then
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.699
they don't even really fight. Gump just kind
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:43.480
of hisses at him and tries to claw him. And I'm
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.739
like, you don't have claws. You got little nails.
00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:51.119
But yeah, then we get to the end there, you know,
00:46:51.139 --> 00:46:53.760
where they're getting the giant plates because
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.280
they hear darkness say, sunlight is my destroyer.
00:46:59.780 --> 00:47:03.989
And Gump's like, I have a plan. We're going to
00:47:03.989 --> 00:47:06.730
kill him with sunlight. And again, Jack goes
00:47:06.730 --> 00:47:08.409
with it, but I don't think he's really thinking
00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:12.019
of any of that. Probably not. No, I think he's
00:47:12.019 --> 00:47:14.980
just like, where the hell's Lily? Where is she?
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.199
Like, all this stuff is crazy. I've never been
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:19.900
involved in any of this. And Gump and them are
00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:23.320
just like, yeah, this is just how it is here.
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.619
You know, he knew what the Great Tree was. Just
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:27.760
an everyday goblin fight. Yeah, you know, he
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.059
knew where Darkness's lair was in the tree, which
00:47:31.059 --> 00:47:33.199
is another thing I love, is that the entrance
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.519
is that giant tree. You know, he knows all this,
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.070
but Jack don't know. jack don't know jack this
00:47:41.869 --> 00:47:44.030
is only something that struck me last night and
00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.610
maybe it wasn't filmed in the exact same way
00:47:46.610 --> 00:47:48.889
in the theatrical version but like when they
00:47:48.889 --> 00:47:52.809
finally defeat darkness he's like it's like a
00:47:52.809 --> 00:47:55.409
portal or is that the mirror is like he's shot
00:47:55.409 --> 00:47:57.869
out into space or something you know in the 80s
00:47:57.869 --> 00:47:59.750
we killed people by shooting them out in space
00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.489
i always kind of took it like maybe he was being
00:48:03.489 --> 00:48:06.449
banished back into the netherworld because he's
00:48:06.449 --> 00:48:10.380
not dead You can't kill him because it's balanced.
00:48:10.460 --> 00:48:13.159
That's the whole point of legend is balance.
00:48:13.539 --> 00:48:15.599
You can't have good without evil and you can
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.980
have light without dark. So I just always looked
00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:21.019
at it like he just got banished back to the nether
00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:23.860
world or back to hell or because he's not the
00:48:23.860 --> 00:48:27.079
devil. He's just like a conduit of darkness.
00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:29.820
And I always just looked at it like he's just
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:34.309
being sent back home. Well, that scene. It reminded
00:48:34.309 --> 00:48:36.929
me of Alien. That's what I mean. Like, back then,
00:48:36.949 --> 00:48:39.389
that's just how you killed things. You just shot
00:48:39.389 --> 00:48:41.789
them out into space. Yeah, because I was watching
00:48:41.789 --> 00:48:43.510
it and that happened. I was like, this feels
00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:45.369
like Alien. And I was like, oh, wait, Ridley
00:48:45.369 --> 00:48:48.449
Scott. Yeah, I mean, he literally did Alien and
00:48:48.449 --> 00:48:51.809
Blade Runner right before he made this. So he's
00:48:51.809 --> 00:48:54.630
like, how did that work out well? I'll just shoot
00:48:54.630 --> 00:48:58.880
this one into space, too. So, but yeah, I always
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.480
thought it was weird because I'm like, is he
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.719
going to space? And then when it like flashes
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.860
and you see like stars flying, I'm like, or maybe
00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:08.519
he just went through a portal and he went back
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.619
home. Because he's not dead because we see him
00:49:11.619 --> 00:49:15.139
at the end, the very end, like before the credits
00:49:15.139 --> 00:49:17.539
start. Which I think, I don't think that was
00:49:17.539 --> 00:49:19.860
in the extended version either. No, they cut
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:22.320
that. It's in the theatrical cut though. So,
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:23.980
you know, Americans, you got to keep them entertained.
00:49:25.730 --> 00:49:28.409
So he's not dead, but yeah, I don't think it's
00:49:28.409 --> 00:49:31.449
space. I think it's just like a portal or maybe
00:49:31.449 --> 00:49:33.969
space in the middle of the planet. I don't know.
00:49:33.989 --> 00:49:37.030
This is a fantasy world. Yeah. Just off you get.
00:49:38.849 --> 00:49:41.309
There was also another scene after that that
00:49:41.309 --> 00:49:44.150
I'm fairly certain I don't remember in the theatrical
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:46.969
version where they talk like maybe this was a
00:49:46.969 --> 00:49:51.510
dream. Yes, that is. There's like three separate
00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:54.559
endings they shot for this. and i think one of
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.079
them is where jack tries to tell lily all of
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.099
this was a dream but she doesn't she's like nah
00:50:00.099 --> 00:50:04.960
no i'm not a huge fan of like that feels like
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.820
a cop out to me and i i i don't really actually
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:11.360
i don't really like the ending that we get i
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:13.380
don't like that jack and lily leave together
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:16.699
i like the alternative ending the alternate ending
00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:19.239
where he stays in the forest and she goes home
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.610
because that's where he's meant to be Since he
00:50:22.610 --> 00:50:25.429
is an immortal child and a green man, he should
00:50:25.429 --> 00:50:27.750
stay in the forest. I wish that would have been
00:50:27.750 --> 00:50:30.510
the other ending and she would have just gone
00:50:30.510 --> 00:50:34.449
home on her own. I like that ending more. But,
00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:37.190
I mean, I'm not mad at what we... I mean, the
00:50:37.190 --> 00:50:39.389
scene at the end where they're all standing there
00:50:39.389 --> 00:50:43.340
with the unicorns waving and I'm like, oh, yay.
00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:46.300
But I always was like, why is Jack going with
00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:48.639
her? Like, you stay here. This is where you belong.
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:51.260
You know, she can just come visit you again.
00:50:51.460 --> 00:50:54.360
That's what you guys have been doing. Originally
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.179
Ridley Scott, when Jack and Gump go to confront
00:50:58.179 --> 00:51:01.420
darkness before they sacrifice the unicorn, they
00:51:01.420 --> 00:51:04.760
crawl up on a hill. And it's supposed to imply
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.760
that it's supposed to be like all bones and stuff.
00:51:07.179 --> 00:51:10.280
And originally Ridley Scott wanted it to be rotting
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.949
corpses. But they're like, no, that's not children
00:51:13.949 --> 00:51:18.050
appropriate. And I always like how... When they
00:51:18.050 --> 00:51:20.690
see Lily, Jack finally sees her and he's like,
00:51:20.730 --> 00:51:23.590
that's Lily, like she's with him. And Gump tells
00:51:23.590 --> 00:51:25.670
him, you know, judge her with your heart, not
00:51:25.670 --> 00:51:27.429
your eyes. And then five seconds later, he's
00:51:27.429 --> 00:51:30.230
like, kill her. I wondered about that. Which
00:51:30.230 --> 00:51:34.039
I can see it from both perspectives because Gump
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:37.639
doesn't know Lily. You know, he tells Jack, judge
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:39.599
her. But then it's like, no, they're going to
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.739
sacrifice the unicorn right now. So he's like,
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:45.760
okay, you had your five seconds to decide. And
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.900
we need to kill her because she's got the knife
00:51:47.900 --> 00:51:50.460
and she's going to kill it. And we can't have
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:53.519
that because they made it sound like he was going
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.960
to slit its throat instead of cut the horn off.
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.260
Like they needed the blood or something because
00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:03.079
she says, I hear a throat aching to be cut. And
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:04.880
with the way they pull the head down, I always
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.820
assumed they were going to kill the mayor differently
00:52:06.820 --> 00:52:09.619
because she has more power than the stallion
00:52:09.619 --> 00:52:13.440
does. But it just always made me laugh how Gump's
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.940
like, you know what? Never mind. I need you to
00:52:15.940 --> 00:52:18.239
kill her and then we need to kill him. And we
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.139
just need to get down there right now. Like,
00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:26.380
time's up real fast. But like I said, Gump doesn't
00:52:26.380 --> 00:52:29.639
know her. And Jack doesn't really care about
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.139
the rest. He just cares about her. Until he gets
00:52:33.139 --> 00:52:35.860
down there and has to fight Darkness, which I
00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:38.199
always like that fight. I love that Darkness
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.300
just kind of whoops his ass because he's so much
00:52:40.300 --> 00:52:43.480
bigger. I love how much slower he moves because
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.719
he is so much bigger. And that Jack pretty much
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.539
just has to, like, duck and hide. You can tell
00:52:49.539 --> 00:52:53.019
the fight choreography of the 80s, though, because
00:52:53.019 --> 00:52:57.579
some of it I'm just like, really? Okay. But I
00:52:57.579 --> 00:52:59.940
thought the fight scene is as good as they could
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:01.980
probably get. And it gets us some great shots
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:05.599
of full body darkness, you know, like when he
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.719
runs at Jack. When he traps him with his horns.
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.239
I mean, I just love all of that. That is such
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.619
a good scene. And then Jack sucker punches him
00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.099
and I'm like, I don't think that would do it,
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:21.159
but okay. I mean, he's a big creature and you
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.619
punched him in the face, but I mean, what can't
00:53:23.619 --> 00:53:28.349
Tom Cruise do? But I always liked their fight.
00:53:28.510 --> 00:53:31.230
I like how darkness taunts him and Lily's just
00:53:31.230 --> 00:53:34.730
over there passed out. She's out of the fight
00:53:34.730 --> 00:53:37.730
now. The unicorn takes off running. I don't know
00:53:37.730 --> 00:53:40.429
where it ran off to. It's just like, bye, I'm
00:53:40.429 --> 00:53:44.579
out of here. You know, and then we get this scene
00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:46.820
where he puts his hand in the water of fire and
00:53:46.820 --> 00:53:49.119
grabs the horn, which is another thing I always
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.699
took of. Unicorn horns have been used to purify
00:53:52.699 --> 00:53:54.980
water. And I always thought of it like, well,
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:57.739
if that's like molten hot water, his hand should
00:53:57.739 --> 00:53:59.480
have melded off. That's what I was wondering.
00:53:59.860 --> 00:54:01.719
But I always just took it as, well, the horn's
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.519
in there and it probably purified. I don't know.
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:07.239
It's a fantasy story. It's magic, whatever. It's
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.179
magic. You're not supposed to look too far into
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:11.900
it unless you're a little, little, little kid.
00:54:12.019 --> 00:54:14.659
You're just like, wow, I want to figure all this
00:54:14.659 --> 00:54:20.420
out. The scene where Jack begs forgiveness from
00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:22.420
the unicorn is probably one of my favorite scenes
00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:26.750
ever. Just because the way it's shot, the lighting,
00:54:26.849 --> 00:54:31.300
it's just such a beautiful scene. And Tom Cruise's
00:54:31.300 --> 00:54:34.650
acting is actually pretty... pretty good in this
00:54:34.650 --> 00:54:37.389
movie like nobody's phoning it in like they're
00:54:37.389 --> 00:54:40.309
all acting really good yeah a lot of times with
00:54:40.309 --> 00:54:44.730
a movie like this people can be i don't know
00:54:44.730 --> 00:54:48.329
over dramatic right it feels fake yeah but this
00:54:48.329 --> 00:54:51.969
felt natural yeah i mean like and for like mia
00:54:51.969 --> 00:54:54.429
sarah i think she did stage work before this
00:54:54.429 --> 00:54:56.670
because for this to be her first movie like she's
00:54:56.670 --> 00:54:59.909
really good and of course i mean tim curry is
00:55:00.969 --> 00:55:03.670
See, and he's the over -the -top dramatic one.
00:55:03.889 --> 00:55:05.809
But it works for his character. He needs to be,
00:55:05.909 --> 00:55:08.710
because he's the lord of darkness. He's a giant
00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:13.250
red monster who spent, like, hours and hours
00:55:13.250 --> 00:55:16.610
in the makeup chair. And I think they asked him
00:55:16.610 --> 00:55:18.570
in an interview, how much of that is actually
00:55:18.570 --> 00:55:21.889
you? And he's like, the upper lip. The rest of
00:55:21.889 --> 00:55:24.690
it's all prosthetics. And the fact that he can
00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:29.070
talk so well with those fangs. Like kudos because
00:55:29.070 --> 00:55:31.869
you can if you watch a lot of vampire shows When
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.840
they get the fangs in a lot of them talk funny
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.159
they get a list. Yeah, because no you don't have
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:41.070
teeth there, but you know he just he talks so
00:55:41.070 --> 00:55:42.829
well and i think that's probably because he's
00:55:42.829 --> 00:55:46.409
done so much stage work like people who do stage
00:55:46.409 --> 00:55:49.150
plays and like shakespeare and all this stuff
00:55:49.150 --> 00:55:51.369
like they have a different way of acting and
00:55:51.369 --> 00:55:53.949
emoting and projecting yeah they have to learn
00:55:53.949 --> 00:55:56.469
how to enunciate for an audience yes probably
00:55:56.469 --> 00:55:59.110
translates yeah and i think that's probably why
00:55:59.110 --> 00:56:03.769
he just does such a good job as darkness i would
00:56:03.769 --> 00:56:06.010
like you said if we could combine the best things
00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:09.030
from the director's cut like with them Not cutting
00:56:09.030 --> 00:56:13.409
out that Lily's a princess. And a few other little
00:56:13.409 --> 00:56:17.030
extended moments where it explains things a little
00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:19.909
bit better. I would change the ending with Jack
00:56:19.909 --> 00:56:21.909
staying behind. Because I do like that ending
00:56:21.909 --> 00:56:24.170
better. I don't mind that they show Darkness
00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:27.429
laughing at the end. After the music fades out.
00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:29.510
After Love by the Sun fades out. They show him
00:56:29.510 --> 00:56:32.210
laughing. Just to kind of say he's not dead.
00:56:32.860 --> 00:56:35.219
But the whole point of the movie with the opening
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:37.559
crawl is that you can't kill him. You have to
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.260
have a balance. And for everything good, there
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:43.260
has to be the opposite, which I always liked
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:45.900
because it's a good way to think about things.
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.699
Like so many movies, they're like, we have to
00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:50.340
defeat the evil. Well, you can't, though. You
00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:52.840
always have to have a balance. Otherwise, what's
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.059
going to happen? Like you can't upset the balance,
00:56:55.179 --> 00:56:57.679
which is why I always loved Legends opening crawl.
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.000
Like I said, Tangerine Dream does such a great
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:05.539
job with that 80s music. I don't know. I've always
00:57:05.539 --> 00:57:09.340
loved that movie. It's got everything in it I
00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:12.380
could possibly want. Though I am glad that they
00:57:12.380 --> 00:57:15.960
did not do a few things. Like originally, Ridley
00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:19.980
Scott, I swear. Originally, Lily, instead of
00:57:19.980 --> 00:57:22.159
being seduced into that black dress and all that
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:23.719
stuff, was supposed to turn into some kind of
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.699
furry monster. Kind of like Hermione in Harry
00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:32.230
Potter. And was going to be seduced by darkness.
00:57:32.369 --> 00:57:34.289
Like, actually seduced. I think this is when
00:57:34.289 --> 00:57:37.289
he was trying to push for our rating. Which I'm
00:57:37.289 --> 00:57:42.079
just like, okay. So human lily in darkness, okay.
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:48.099
Furry cat lady in darkness. Oh. No, no. Well,
00:57:48.139 --> 00:57:49.900
that's weird. What's the point of turning her
00:57:49.900 --> 00:57:52.119
into a furry thing? I don't know. I don't know
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.280
if that was going to be their way of, like, showing
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.829
she gave in. But it would have definitely. Like
00:57:57.829 --> 00:58:01.630
one of the cat people? Maybe. All I know is it
00:58:01.630 --> 00:58:04.469
said, everything I've heard and said, they just
00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:06.309
said she was going to turn into some kind of
00:58:06.309 --> 00:58:11.849
hairy creature and possibly be tortured and then
00:58:11.849 --> 00:58:16.030
either seduced or assaulted by darkness. Either
00:58:16.030 --> 00:58:19.239
one. And like I said, I think this is when Ridley
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.719
Scott was kind of like, I want to do an R rating.
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.019
Because it started off with him wanting to make
00:58:24.019 --> 00:58:27.289
a fantasy movie for his kids. Which is why you
00:58:27.289 --> 00:58:29.449
get Brown Tom and Screwball and Gump and all
00:58:29.449 --> 00:58:32.090
the little funny moments. But then he was like,
00:58:32.130 --> 00:58:35.849
actually, let's just hard pivot and make an R
00:58:35.849 --> 00:58:38.190
-rated movie instead. And by that time, the studio
00:58:38.190 --> 00:58:42.849
was like, nah, we're not going to do that. Which
00:58:42.849 --> 00:58:45.630
is why I think you get such a, you know, the
00:58:45.630 --> 00:58:48.429
first half of the movie is very 80s, very kind
00:58:48.429 --> 00:58:51.690
of like labyrinth, very much. And then once darkness
00:58:51.690 --> 00:58:54.739
shows up. you're kind of like okay this is a
00:58:54.739 --> 00:58:57.579
little bit more mature now with a little sprinkling
00:58:57.579 --> 00:59:00.420
of gump and screwball and all them in there to
00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:04.099
kind of balance it out but i mean i'm not going
00:59:04.099 --> 00:59:07.079
to say no to like our rating for a fantasy movie
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.519
because that just means we get more monsters
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.860
and violence and blood but the whole thing that
00:59:12.860 --> 00:59:15.780
they wanted to do with lily i was just like nah
00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:19.739
fam no let's just not do that yeah that's weird
00:59:20.300 --> 00:59:24.170
I like him trying to seduce her this way a lot
00:59:24.170 --> 00:59:26.570
more than... The magical faceless dress. Yes.
00:59:26.570 --> 00:59:28.969
And that dress is gorgeous. I love that dress.
00:59:28.989 --> 00:59:31.489
And I don't even like dresses. She looks amazing
00:59:31.489 --> 00:59:35.550
in that dress. Like, it's sensual and seductive
00:59:35.550 --> 00:59:38.289
without being over the top. Yeah. You know, and
00:59:38.289 --> 00:59:40.070
it's the complete opposite of what she had been
00:59:40.070 --> 00:59:42.809
wearing before. Like, she looks very, very good.
00:59:43.329 --> 00:59:45.389
And then, you know, at the end, somehow she's
00:59:45.389 --> 00:59:47.309
back in her normal clothes. I'm assuming that
00:59:47.309 --> 00:59:50.239
the magic just popped off and... She's back in
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.239
her princess... I didn't even think about that,
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.219
but you're right. Yeah, she's back in her little
00:59:54.219 --> 00:59:57.440
princess outfit and, you know, Jack... Because,
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.059
again, Gump is the one who brings the unicorn
01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:04.039
back. He takes the horn to the stallion and brings
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.420
the unicorn back. Jack's over there diving in
01:00:06.420 --> 01:00:08.820
a pool trying to find Lily's ring so he can marry
01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:12.119
her. And I'm like, I guess you got your priorities.
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.400
I mean, and Gump's in charge of it. But it's
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.360
just so funny that he's the hero of the story,
01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:19.349
but he's not the one who... They actually saved
01:00:19.349 --> 01:00:21.510
the world. Yeah, you know, he stopped darkness,
01:00:21.570 --> 01:00:24.349
but he mostly just got lucky. Well, actually,
01:00:24.429 --> 01:00:27.610
he didn't. It was Gump and them who stopped darkness
01:00:27.610 --> 01:00:30.949
with the light, with the sunlight. If they wouldn't
01:00:30.949 --> 01:00:33.369
have come in with the sunlight, Jack would have
01:00:33.369 --> 01:00:37.389
lost. Yeah. He cut off his hand, but I think
01:00:37.389 --> 01:00:39.929
that was only after the sunlight hit. It was,
01:00:39.949 --> 01:00:43.510
because he throws the horn, because darkness
01:00:43.510 --> 01:00:46.909
is like, give me that. And he throws it at him
01:00:46.909 --> 01:00:50.559
and it stabs him in the stomach. And then the
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.659
sunlight hits and blasts him against that archway.
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.199
And then Jack, he pulls the horn out and Jack
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.099
cuts his hand off to get it back. And then he
01:01:00.099 --> 01:01:03.159
gets blasted out into oblivion. But yeah, if
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:04.619
it wouldn't have been for Gump and them, Jack
01:01:04.619 --> 01:01:06.800
would have lost. He wouldn't have won that fight.
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.769
So I guess the hero is Gump. Jack was supposed
01:01:12.769 --> 01:01:16.110
to be their hero, and they did need him to do
01:01:16.110 --> 01:01:19.170
this. But in the end, it was really Gump and
01:01:19.170 --> 01:01:21.190
them all working together. I guess they all worked
01:01:21.190 --> 01:01:22.849
together. It was a group effort. It was a group
01:01:22.849 --> 01:01:25.670
effort. But Jack's priorities were definitely
01:01:25.670 --> 01:01:30.230
on Lily and not saving the unicorn. Yeah. Which
01:01:30.230 --> 01:01:31.750
is why I think it would have meant more if he
01:01:31.750 --> 01:01:35.809
would have just stayed behind at the end. I feel
01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:37.530
like this is totally the kind of movie, though,
01:01:37.570 --> 01:01:41.429
that if it wouldn't have flopped, would totally
01:01:41.429 --> 01:01:44.239
have like three sequels. and jack would have
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:45.840
been played by a different character every time
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.239
you know what you're probably right because tom
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.880
cruise does not talk highly of this movie i don't
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.440
think he liked it which i don't know why like
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:58.539
get over yourself tom it's a good movie you were
01:01:58.539 --> 01:02:02.380
young like it's a good movie but because you
01:02:02.380 --> 01:02:04.559
can tell you know at the end when darkness pops
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.719
up i don't know if they like were thinking of
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:11.070
plotting a sequel i'm glad they never did It
01:02:11.070 --> 01:02:12.769
doesn't feel like something that needed a sequel.
01:02:12.929 --> 01:02:15.769
It's a good one and done. Yeah. It's like you're
01:02:15.769 --> 01:02:18.949
done. It's a fairy tale. The story's over. You
01:02:18.949 --> 01:02:21.510
don't need to continue on and be like, oh, darkness
01:02:21.510 --> 01:02:27.840
is back. You know, and this time it's CGI. Well,
01:02:27.860 --> 01:02:29.800
this isn't a Fox film, which means Disney owns
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.340
it, so maybe they will make a sequel. I think
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:36.550
it's universal. Oh. It's universal. Yeah, because
01:02:36.550 --> 01:02:38.949
the Universal logo is space, and so I always
01:02:38.949 --> 01:02:41.050
kind of laugh at the end when darkness gets blasted
01:02:41.050 --> 01:02:43.030
into space. So I'm like, oh, is he going back
01:02:43.030 --> 01:02:49.610
to the studio? Universal took him back. Yep,
01:02:49.650 --> 01:02:52.010
it's a Universal film because Ridley Scott did
01:02:52.010 --> 01:02:54.289
this right after Alien and Blade Runner because
01:02:54.289 --> 01:02:56.070
a lot of the people who helped work on those
01:02:56.070 --> 01:02:59.550
helped work on this. Because it does have that
01:02:59.550 --> 01:03:03.030
Ridley Scott feel, but you would never really
01:03:03.030 --> 01:03:05.369
realize it was a Ridley Scott movie because it's
01:03:05.369 --> 01:03:08.510
so... different from his other movies yeah i
01:03:08.510 --> 01:03:11.690
mean who watches alien and blade runner and then
01:03:11.690 --> 01:03:14.869
watches legend and it's like oh you know it's
01:03:14.869 --> 01:03:18.289
not like um john carpenter where all his movies
01:03:18.289 --> 01:03:20.010
kind of have the same feeling or like christopher
01:03:20.010 --> 01:03:23.230
nolan ridley scott's movies are kind of all over
01:03:23.230 --> 01:03:27.099
the place especially now but i don't think i
01:03:27.099 --> 01:03:30.380
would have even noticed except you've said that
01:03:30.380 --> 01:03:33.699
and then the end reminded me when he's blasting
01:03:33.699 --> 01:03:37.050
off into space It's just like that alien. Both
01:03:37.050 --> 01:03:41.949
times. Both aliens. I guess it's a good way to
01:03:41.949 --> 01:03:44.309
dispatch a terrible creature. I'm telling you.
01:03:44.369 --> 01:03:46.050
I mean, there's really not a lot that can get
01:03:46.050 --> 01:03:50.690
through space. So, or the other world, or the
01:03:50.690 --> 01:03:52.590
nether world, wherever darkness got banished
01:03:52.590 --> 01:03:55.699
back to. Probably wherever his quote -unquote
01:03:55.699 --> 01:03:58.039
parents are to get lectured. Like, you failed.
01:03:58.579 --> 01:04:02.360
Bravo. I did wonder about his parents. Like,
01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:05.070
who are they? What do they look like? Yeah, well,
01:04:05.329 --> 01:04:08.940
I should have written it. I know I've read before,
01:04:09.019 --> 01:04:11.119
like, what they're supposed to be, but I don't
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.059
think they're actual entities. I think they're
01:04:13.059 --> 01:04:18.420
more of, like, a thought or a muse kind of thing.
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.539
Because when his mother talks to him, it's as
01:04:22.539 --> 01:04:25.780
a shadow and, like, a whisper on the air. So
01:04:25.780 --> 01:04:27.719
I don't think they're actual creatures. I think
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.420
they're more like muses or suggestions or entities.
01:04:32.579 --> 01:04:34.780
that's how i always looked at it i don't think
01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:38.480
there's like a horned lady and a a bigger horned
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.360
guy waiting for him back home you know but i
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.019
could be wrong oh god that would have been the
01:04:44.019 --> 01:04:48.960
sequel that would have been terrible just imagining
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:54.650
a darkness creature is it no This is extremely
01:04:54.650 --> 01:04:57.650
random. I'm imagining his father is a minotaur
01:04:57.650 --> 01:05:01.190
and his mother is Doja Cat in that red getup
01:05:01.190 --> 01:05:04.730
that she wore to that awards show. Oh, God. That's
01:05:04.730 --> 01:05:06.730
better than what I was imagining. I was imagining
01:05:06.730 --> 01:05:08.769
a Tim Curry -esque creature with, like, breasts.
01:05:08.789 --> 01:05:12.230
Like, oh, no. That doesn't look flattering at
01:05:12.230 --> 01:05:16.389
all. But, yeah, yeah, we can throw a minotaur
01:05:16.389 --> 01:05:26.039
in there and poor Doja Cat. But, yeah, Legend,
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.940
it's just a very 80s movie, like you said. It's
01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:31.760
like the most 80s movie. Extremely 80s. Extremely
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.000
80s movie. I mean, it ranks right up there with
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.239
like Big Trouble in Little China for like just
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.760
that. You'd watch it and you're like, yep, this
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:42.159
was in the 80s. Absolutely. Or like Labyrinth.
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:43.920
I'm pretty sure that was in the 80s. Oh, yeah.
01:05:44.539 --> 01:05:46.719
Dragon Slayer. Looking at the movies on my shelf
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:48.539
over there and just listening to them. Dragon
01:05:48.539 --> 01:05:51.440
Slayer is in the 80s. That's another one I need
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.730
to see. I didn't let you borrow it. It's just
01:05:55.730 --> 01:05:57.639
right over there on the shelf. I haven't watched
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.300
it in forever, actually. And, like, Clash of
01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:03.059
the Titans, though, wasn't 80s, I don't think.
01:06:03.099 --> 01:06:05.239
But that one's worth a watch. Not the new one.
01:06:05.539 --> 01:06:09.059
Not the one with Sam Worthington. No, was that
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:12.130
it? The guy who's in it, I don't know. You gotta
01:06:12.130 --> 01:06:15.550
watch the one with the claymation monsters. But,
01:06:15.730 --> 01:06:18.570
yeah. Like I said, it's just a good movie for
01:06:18.570 --> 01:06:23.269
makeup and costume design and the stage pieces
01:06:23.269 --> 01:06:27.579
and the sets. It's just that... That time right
01:06:27.579 --> 01:06:29.780
in there, right before CGI. And you're like,
01:06:29.900 --> 01:06:34.250
yes, all of this is real. They're running through
01:06:34.250 --> 01:06:37.989
the trees. The unicorns look good. Like I said,
01:06:38.010 --> 01:06:43.429
nowadays, darkness would be fully CGI. Or it
01:06:43.429 --> 01:06:45.309
would be like a vision kind of thing where they
01:06:45.309 --> 01:06:47.469
paint him red and have the markers on him. So
01:06:47.469 --> 01:06:50.230
he still has his face in his mouth and the rest
01:06:50.230 --> 01:06:53.719
of him's all CGI. I just love that it's just
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.260
one of those cult classics now that it bombed
01:06:56.260 --> 01:06:58.599
in the box office. But now everybody who watches
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:00.619
it either really like it or you really don't.
01:07:00.619 --> 01:07:02.300
I remember watching it with a friend's family
01:07:02.300 --> 01:07:04.960
and it got over and they were like, her dad was
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:06.480
like, well, that wasn't very good. And I was
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.900
like, what? They're like, yeah, I didn't really
01:07:11.900 --> 01:07:15.349
like it that much. And I was like, oh, no. I
01:07:15.349 --> 01:07:17.289
can never speak to you again. I was like, I don't
01:07:17.289 --> 01:07:19.010
think we can be friends anymore. Your dad said
01:07:19.010 --> 01:07:21.650
you didn't like that movie. I was like, oh no.
01:07:21.969 --> 01:07:24.030
I think we were like in middle school or something
01:07:24.030 --> 01:07:28.010
at like a sleepover. That does seem like a good
01:07:28.010 --> 01:07:31.969
sleepover movie for middle school age kids. Well.
01:07:32.210 --> 01:07:36.110
For a scary movie. For most kids. For most kids.
01:07:36.130 --> 01:07:39.230
No. I'm pretty sure I made that same friend watch
01:07:39.230 --> 01:07:41.010
the thing and we got halfway through it and she
01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:42.730
made me turn it off. And I don't think she ever
01:07:42.730 --> 01:07:44.630
forgave me for trying to make her watch that.
01:07:45.429 --> 01:07:48.170
We got like halfway through and starts to get
01:07:48.170 --> 01:07:50.230
real. And she was just like, you need to turn
01:07:50.230 --> 01:07:54.539
this off now. And I'm like, she's like, cause
01:07:54.539 --> 01:08:00.969
it's scary. I'm like, oh, sorry. I wasn't aware.
01:08:01.510 --> 01:08:04.809
So yeah, I didn't make her finish it. I think
01:08:04.809 --> 01:08:09.389
we watched her like Lion King after that. It's
01:08:09.389 --> 01:08:10.969
like, well, let's balance that out with some
01:08:10.969 --> 01:08:16.100
Disney, I guess. You know, you watch one scary
01:08:16.100 --> 01:08:17.720
thing, you gotta balance it out with something
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:21.000
a little less scary. Like a friend and I went
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:23.819
and saw 28 Days Later. It's a zombie movie. And
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:25.640
it scared the hell out of me. So when we got
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:26.859
back to her house, she's like, what do you want
01:08:26.859 --> 01:08:28.220
to watch now? I'm like, let's watch The Ring.
01:08:30.390 --> 01:08:32.670
It's a little less scary than that other movie.
01:08:34.029 --> 01:08:37.250
And I can make fun of this one. Have you ever
01:08:37.250 --> 01:08:40.229
watched that? Yes. I actually have watched one
01:08:40.229 --> 01:08:44.640
scary movie. The little girl, Samara. That's
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:48.380
the chick who voices Lilo. Yeah. The thing that
01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:50.380
I remember about that movie was the horse dying,
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:52.500
and that's what scarred me. I know. I was just
01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:55.600
like, no, not the horse. You kill people you
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.180
want, but not the horse. I don't remember much
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of anything else in the movie. I just remember
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the horse scene. I was like, this is terrible.
01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:05.479
I think I remember watching it and being like,
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.279
yeah, this is definitely a lot less scary than
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:09.840
that other movie we just watched in theater.
01:09:11.069 --> 01:09:13.369
Legend, though, is just... They don't make movies
01:09:13.369 --> 01:09:16.109
like Legend anymore. Everything that's going
01:09:16.109 --> 01:09:18.430
to come out fantasy now is going to be like Game
01:09:18.430 --> 01:09:21.130
of Thrones and House of the Dragon, which I'm
01:09:21.130 --> 01:09:25.029
fine with to a certain point. I know you haven't
01:09:25.029 --> 01:09:28.960
watched those, but they don't make fantasy movies
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.420
like that. Lord of the Rings was like the last
01:09:31.420 --> 01:09:35.050
great fantasy, and it's because it... Took a
01:09:35.050 --> 01:09:36.829
lot of stuff like what Legend did. You get a
01:09:36.829 --> 01:09:39.930
lot of practical effects. Yes. A lot of sets,
01:09:40.069 --> 01:09:43.949
a lot of miniatures, a lot of filming out in
01:09:44.010 --> 01:09:47.689
the wild. You know, the CGI is minimal to, you
01:09:47.689 --> 01:09:50.829
know, until you get to the third movie. And obviously
01:09:50.829 --> 01:09:53.189
there's a lot more CGI in the third movie than
01:09:53.189 --> 01:09:57.060
the first two. But... You can't really practical
01:09:57.060 --> 01:10:01.739
effects the... The Olly fonts? Yes. No, not really.
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.779
You know, and it's just one of those movies.
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:06.899
Oh, and Excalibur. Excalibur's a really good
01:10:06.899 --> 01:10:09.300
movie, too. That's one of my mom's favorite movies.
01:10:09.899 --> 01:10:11.739
Some of it's hard to watch because it's kind
01:10:11.739 --> 01:10:15.439
of sad. But it's another good movie. It's just
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.159
those old fantasy movies where, damn, they just
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.699
went for it. They're like, it doesn't need to
01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:26.350
make sense, but it needs to look cool. It'll
01:10:26.350 --> 01:10:28.510
always be my number one movie, I think. I don't
01:10:28.510 --> 01:10:30.149
know if they'll ever make another movie that
01:10:30.149 --> 01:10:33.430
just... makes me as emotional as a person who's
01:10:33.430 --> 01:10:36.470
not very emotional you know i don't think anything's
01:10:36.470 --> 01:10:39.470
really even come close to toppling it over actually
01:10:39.470 --> 01:10:42.250
i think a lot of the childhood nostalgia has
01:10:42.250 --> 01:10:45.810
a bit to play with it yes yeah yeah and like
01:10:45.810 --> 01:10:49.689
i said when i was younger this movie had inspired
01:10:49.689 --> 01:10:53.170
so much poetry so much writing so much artwork
01:10:53.170 --> 01:10:56.689
so much you know because it's just got so many
01:10:56.689 --> 01:10:59.270
good little elements to it it's just a lot of
01:10:59.270 --> 01:11:02.729
great ideas that even though a lot of people
01:11:02.729 --> 01:11:06.609
don't like it it bombed it's just a great fantasy
01:11:06.609 --> 01:11:12.430
movie and it's safe for all ages for the most
01:11:12.430 --> 01:11:15.470
part yeah unless you're really scared to just
01:11:15.470 --> 01:11:18.989
tell people it's just tim curry it's just tim
01:11:18.989 --> 01:11:23.199
curry it's okay he can't hurt you it's just tim
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:28.989
curry If I was one of those people who made clickbaity
01:11:28.989 --> 01:11:32.189
titles for my YouTube videos, this one could
01:11:32.189 --> 01:11:33.949
be called, it's just Tim Curry. He can't hurt
01:11:33.949 --> 01:11:37.369
you. He can't hurt you. It's okay. It's okay.
01:11:38.210 --> 01:11:40.329
Or you're going to watch it and be like, huh,
01:11:40.529 --> 01:11:43.270
why does he look a lot better than I think he
01:11:43.270 --> 01:11:48.319
should? Like, that darkness is ripped, man. You're
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:50.060
just like, somebody's been doing their crunches.
01:11:50.859 --> 01:11:54.119
And getting a tan. Yeah, yeah. He's well done.
01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:59.319
Yes. He looks quite good. Of course, that chin,
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.560
though. The chin was very... The chin is quite
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:04.260
prominent. You think it'd be the horns and the
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.020
red skin, but no, you're like, oh, look at that.
01:12:06.020 --> 01:12:08.060
That chin is quite... It's kind of like when
01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:11.020
you see Thanos for the first time. You're just
01:12:11.020 --> 01:12:13.060
like, oh, look at that chin. That's a choice.
01:12:13.220 --> 01:12:16.079
But it works. He looks great. I think with Thanos,
01:12:16.260 --> 01:12:18.199
I've seen him so many times, I've kind of gotten
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:20.619
desensitized to the fact that he has a chin that's
01:12:20.619 --> 01:12:23.880
like a giant raisin. He just looks like Bruce
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:31.590
Willis. Like in a raisin. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's
01:12:31.590 --> 01:12:37.369
probably good. I need to wrap things up. So until
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