MISSING 2 YEARS—SHE ESCAPED 2 DAYS AFTER THEY PRAYED | Dan McCollam

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Well he picked up his head just as a thing of honor and sat it by the body.
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And when he did it reattached, and the guy came back alive.
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Come on.
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I know.
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And they walked into the village where he had just been killed.
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And um and they all saw him.
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And because of that, the the man told the story of what he had done, and then he preached the gospel, and the village came to Christ.
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We had a policeman in our church who said, Um, hey, I heard about what's happened.
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I got two missing children right now, and I have no leads whatsoever.
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Can you help us?
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And we prayed there, just three of us in the office, and we got the clues.
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Greenhouse, street that begins with Jay, and they're posing as friends of the family.
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They went to the house and found that the child was being kept against their will.
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Finally, somebody asked a question in English, and I went ahead and answered it.
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And the interpreter turned and went, How did you know what he said?
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And I'm like, he asked it in English.
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He said, No, he didn't.
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He asked it in Romanian.
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And I'm like, I heard it in English, and from for the rest of the trip, whenever somebody spoke Romanian, I would hear it in English.
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I remember one time I was with you, there was a group of about 50 Russian pastors, and they were so hungry.
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And you said, Ben, come with me quick, let's go pray.
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We've got the a room put aside, we're gonna go pray for these Russian pastors.
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And so it was literally like we went in there and mowed them down.
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Like it was, and before we knew it, there was a literal pile.
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I mean, they were on top of each other, like a stack of Russian pastors just encountering Jesus, you know, um, the joy, the power, just all of them out the same, you know.
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Our prophetic company is about training believers and equipping believers to recognize how God speaks so that they can respond faster, and then to use it as a tool, not only of personal edification, but more so as a tool of loving and serving others.
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Well, Dan McCollum, welcome to Encountable! Hey, thank you.
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Good to be with you guys.
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Uh uh Dano, which is the most Australian abbreviation of uh of an American name ever.
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Um, we're so excited to have you on Encountable today.
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Um, I know that you have some phenomenal stories, um, an incredible history with God, and uh we love you so much.
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Yeah, I think you qualify as an old friend now, said with great respect.
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Not just because I'm old, but because we've known each other a long time.
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Yeah.
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You know, um, I have to say, of course, my very first trip ever to America is when we went, and that was a real faith journey for me.
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It was was a long time ago, I think 16, 17 years ago, something like that.
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17 years ago.
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And you opened up your home and uh didn't know me from a bar of soap, and I stayed with you for several weeks.
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And uh you were just so generous and so um so welcoming, and uh we're very, very grateful.
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And then you've you've yeah, you've rescued our daughter in a time of need in her first trip over to America when she was a little stranded and needed a friend.
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And you've you've also interestingly, because we were talking about this yesterday, Dano, um, at times, even in my long health journey, I remember sitting in my bed in Australia while Ben and you were in America and well lying in my bed and you ringing up and just releasing great healing and hope over me that that really was a breakthrough moment for me, Dano, and you've done that a few times now.
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So um Wow, yeah, thank you.
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We just want to say thank you while we have the opportunity for being you and being a part of our journey.
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Yeah, and I wish we were honored to be able to run with y'all.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you've played a huge part in our in our story, that's for sure.
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And so, but not only that, we we we're not having you on just because you're a great friend, but you're a really amazing man of God and have some incredible stories and history and and things of the spirit.
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So why don't we just start with uh with the Dano origin story and and how you came to Jesus?
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Superhero origin story.
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Absolutely.
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Well, I came from a religious family.
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Um uh my grandfather was a pastor and um uh a denominational pastor.
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The church that I went to did not preach the gospel.
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Um, so I went to the church every week, but it was kind of almost a deistic kind of experience where we believed in God, but he was far off, you know, distant.
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Um and uh I'd never heard the salvation message, uh, personal faith in Jesus, didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit kind of thing.
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And yet when I was six years old, I remember um one of my very first vivid memories.
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We had one television in my house at the time.
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There were only three channels back then.
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And uh the TV was in my mom and dad's room, and I would sneak in on Saturdays and uh turn on the TV and wait for cartoons to come on.
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It used to be like you'd see a test pattern on the TV until the actual programming would come on.
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Well, I got my days mixed up and it was Sunday, not Saturday, but I'm laying below my parents' bed on the floor with the TV on softly.
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And instead of cartoons coming on, uh Oral Roberts came on.
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Wow.
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I didn't know who he was, what he was, but I saw him pull somebody out of a wheelchair.
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Wow.
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And at six years old, tears began to stream down my face.
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And I said, I don't know what that is, but I want to do that one day.
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Wow.
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And uh it wasn't until I was 15 that I was born again, but I never forgot that moment.
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Um, and uh we we got a new pastor who was evangelical.
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My whole family came to faith in Jesus, and uh so back then it was kind of the tail end of the Jesus movement, and when you got saved, you picked up a guitar.
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That was just kind of the hippie thing to do.
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Right.
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So I picked up a guitar and uh our band started touring in little churches and coffee houses and prisons and anywhere they would have us.
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And um, I was just so um energized by relationship with Jesus as opposed to dead religion that I I I had to tell everybody.
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And uh so we give altar calls, and probably by the time I was 18, I think we've seen a couple thousand people come to Jesus.
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So that was my beginning.
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Amazing.
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What was that band called?
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Uh I you know, there were several iterations.
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The first one was called Alpha Band, and then later I played with a um kind of a marketplace band who started Christian and then, you know, is now a little controversial, but uh a metal band called King's X.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I remember as a teenager, my my metal head mates were all into all into King's X.
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My Christian group.
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I was I was never really a metal guy, but they all had the hair and everything.
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Yeah.
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So what about coming into what you know, was that um was that a spirit-filled experience at that point, or did that come later?
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Or that came later.
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So my parents uh would entertain um strangers, like they believed in that literal kind of gospel people in need.
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And we had a a really small, like three-bedroom, one-bath ranch with you know three kids and my parents, and and yet still, if somebody needed housing, they would open up one of our rooms and we would move out and and they would stay with us for a while.
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So one of these people who stayed was a Pentecostal and was always kind of telling me, Oh, you got a lot going on in Jesus, but you really need the Holy Spirit.
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And quite honestly, she was really annoying.
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And um, and I was also very put out that I'd lost my rose.
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And, you know, I was just kind of like, get out of my face, you know?
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And uh, but she was very persistent, just kind of kept saying it.
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And then one day I turned to her and I said, Okay, today or tonight, I will go to your church and your uh pastor will speak on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and I'll be the first one at the altar.
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And after I said it, I was like, What was that?
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Like, what just came out of my mouth?
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I didn't even know what it was that I had said, and I went to her church.
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Uh, it was a big assembly of God Church in downport, Iowa.
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Tommy Barnett was the pastor at the time, and he said, I hardly ever do this, but today I just felt to change my message.
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Tonight, I'm gonna speak on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and he did.
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I was the first one down.
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I got filled with the Holy Spirit and um began to speak in tongues and and it just began to open up my whole spiritual life, spiritual journey.
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Wow.
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Did the tongue sing happen immediately?
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Um, it was uh there was a there was a flow of maybe a sentence or two, and that's really all I had at the time.
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And I I really wrestled with it.
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I'm very analytical um and and logical, you know.
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And I'm like, are these just like I think I helped my brother, you know, study for a Spanish test.
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Like, is this just parts of my subconscious putting it together?
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And and you know, then the Holy Spirit just kind of quickened my heart and said, Hey, just enjoy it.
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And instead of worrying about the communication side of it, I stepped into the communion side of it.
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Yes, oh, that's right.
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And just started like, like, who who cares what these words are?
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I just want to love you.
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And and and I think one of the things that I love about the mystery of speaking in tongues is that um like when words aren't enough, or when I don't have the words, I I like but I still have something in my heart.
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It's like this heart-to-heart language that's that's so beautiful and intimate.
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And and so once I got out of my head and just stepped into heart love, yeah.
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Uh there was just this crazy flow.
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That's such a beautiful way to communicate it because you know, there's a lot of discussion about tongues at the moment.
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It's quite a, you know, it's it's all over the internet, and it is such a beautiful gift that I'm so grateful for, you know.
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And so we I I know that it's for everybody.
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That's been our experience in praying for people to receive it, is you know, everybody gets it, or maybe 99% of people get it, but it's not because they're 1%, it wasn't for them, you know.
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It's like it's for 99% of Christians, you are the exception.
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No, of course it's not, but sometimes people need a little bit further help to get maybe part out of their heads and things like you're saying, but it is, I love that you put that, it's less about the communication and more about the communion because it is.
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Yeah, like now I've I've come to value the communication side of it as well.
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Right.
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Um, but uh because you know, when the scripture says that the one who speaks in tongues speaks mysteries, that Greek word, you guys probably know, is the word mysterion.
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And if you look it up in the lexicon, one of the definitions is secrets of the kingdom not revealed to ordinary mortals.
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I'm not making that up.
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Come on, that's what he literally says.
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Yeah, and you didn't get different professor TVs.
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Yes, not necessarily to your understanding.
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And then you're talking to somebody, and all of a sudden something comes out, and you're like, Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've never heard or said that before it.
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Like, where did that come from?
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And you know, I would credit that to that kind of revelation generator of you know, communing with the Lord through earthly and heavenly languages.
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So I love it.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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I had a crazy thing happen, kind of, I mean, I've had a lot of crazy things happen with tongues.
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I remember I was uh when I worked in Kentucky with Cletty Keith, um, he taught me so much about the ways of the spirit.
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But of course, being in Kentucky, we had a horse track in town and we had many jockeys that got saved, and and they were from all over the world.
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And and uh so we uh there was this one guy named Serge who was from Belgium, and there was this old Clay would get some of the most unique uh gifted and personality kind of people to come through, and this guy would and then he would interpret, and it would be like a prophecy over people's lives, and um um so he would speak in tongues, interpret, speak in tongues, interpret over this one lady he spoke that they were gonna have a child and about the child and all this, and it was a beautiful thing.
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Of course, you know, that's controversial in itself, but anyway, this is just a testimony.
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And uh and and Serge turns to me and he goes, Donald, why does he do that?
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And I go, Well, do what?
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And he said, Well, he speaks in French and then he says the same thing in English, and then he speaks in Russian and he says the same thing in English, and then he speaks in and and I I'm like he's speaking in a different language every time, and he goes, Yes.
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And he goes, I I go, and you understand all these languages?
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You go, yes, in my country we speak many languages.
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And I go, well, is he saying the same thing in English that he's saying in these other languages?
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And he said, most of the time it's the same thing.
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He said, but when he said over that lady that she was gonna have a baby, um he said, You're gonna have a child in eight months.
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When he said it in French Canadian, but when he said it in English, just said you're gonna have a baby, which means she's already pregnant, you know.
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And um, and so I go, Well, Serge, don't don't tell anybody.
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I said, just I'm like, let's just let this be between me.
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He goes, but why does he do that, Dano?
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And I was explaining it to him.
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Yeah, he was kind of somewhere between a new believer and still skeptical.
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And so uh I just said, Well, let's just wait and see if she's pregnant and see.
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And you know what?
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She didn't know she was pregnant at the time and uh found out she was, had a baby eight months to the day that the guy prophesied, and Serge got really on fire for Jesus.
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And so it was like this beautiful sign and a wonder through through tongues and interpretation and so to you know, was his tongues, I mean, Russian and French sound very different.
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Did it sound to you, you know, like his tongues were going from French to Russian?
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You know what?
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I was not very linguistically aware at the time, to be honest with you.
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So you might say, Yeah, yeah.
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I and and I I think if I were paying more attention, I certainly would have noticed the difference.
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But no, at the time, quite honestly.
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Well, I asked that because my experience several times has been that the miracle was actually in the hearing, not in the speaking, you know.
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So the I I've had I've experienced myself where my tongues has just been normal.
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I've just it sounds like I spoke in tongues every other time, but a person has heard it clearly, like in English or something like that.
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So I think both happens.
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I think sometimes people actually do speak another language that anyone who speaks that language could recognize.
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And then I think sometimes it's literally in the the miracles in the hearing rather than in the speaking.
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I agree.
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That's probably like some form of interpretation of tongues as well.
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But I I was in Romania and I was doing a worship conference, and uh the it was a QA session at the end, and they would ask in Romanian, and then the interpreter would interpret it to English, then I'd answer and back and forth.
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And this was happening for a while.
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And finally, somebody asked a question in English, and I went ahead and answered it.
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And the interpreter turned and went, How did you know what he said?
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And I'm like, he asked it in English.
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He said, No, he didn't.
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He asked it in Romanian, and I'm like, I heard it in English, and from for the rest of the trip, whenever somebody spoke Romanian, I would hear it in English.
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Really?
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Wow.
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Um, yeah, it was really cool.
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And the Romanian would and the interpreter would would test me on it.
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He'd go, okay, what did he say?
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And I go, da da da.
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And he goes, That's better than I could interpret it, you know?
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And so I was so excited the next time I went to Romania and it was gone.
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Oh it was just that that time, that moment.
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But it was it was, it was really cool.
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So you were not you were not understanding Romanian, you were hearing it in English.
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Correct.
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Yeah, yeah, wow.
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That's so which is exactly what happened in Acts 2.
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Yeah.
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Heard it in their own language.
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I suspect that's what happened.
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They were one person was speaking, or they were all doing it, but people were hearing it in their own language or from the same source, you know.
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So that's interesting.
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One guy speaking in tongues, the Greek person hears it in Greek, the Persian hears it in, you know, like all this kind of oh, I've never I've never linked that before.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah.
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All right, so this is we're off to a great start.
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So so take us, take us to a significant encounter for you.
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Oh, where do I begin?
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The Lord has been really gracious with me in the realm of encounter.
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And, you know, the as the scripture says, you know, earnestly desire greater gifts.
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I've I've never lost my desire to demonstrate the reality of Jesus and the power of the gospel.
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And um, I think because of that, it opens up a lot of realms of encounter.
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Um that's really big what you just said.
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That's a key.
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Yeah, yeah, I I believe it is.
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You know, there's kind of two things I've I've seen in that.
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Uh number one is keeping an earnest desire, like scripture says that's how First Corinthians 12 ends, and it's how 1 Corinthians 14 begins.
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Um but uh also the second thing that I've seen in that is that um as I was studying like the church fathers and the mystics and you know, people who have had a lot of encounter, many times it's when they reached out to the poor.
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Like there was a time when we associated encounter almost with like isolation, like get alone with God, you'll have these encounters.
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And and that was true historically, but actually the number of encounters and miracles often increased in the church fathers and mothers when they were actually out among the people and serving the poor.
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Wow.
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And I think when we see that encounters are often missional in nature, like they're not just for joy rides, you know, um, they actually have a missional nature to them.
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And so I think there was a time in my life where I was trying to have encounters through isolation and almost qualify for them.
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If I prayed hard enough, long enough, loud enough, if I fasted enough, if I were consecrated enough, then I would qualify myself for encounter.
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And honestly, in the end, they were all just forms of self righteousness and self abasement.
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Wow.
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Rather than actually letting love be the bridge for encounter, you know, the love of the father and and And uh earnest desire, uh, almost more of an innocence and a holy reverence, um, and then a true desire to for other people to know the reality of the living Jesus and the power.
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Um those took me way farther than all of my isolated disciplines.
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Of course, I still believe strongly in the you know what's called in the scripture the works of righteousness and you know of prayer and giving and fasting and all those things, studying the scripture, of course.
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But I think what happened was my heart was wrong.
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I was trying to earn encounters through works of righteousness rather than learning the ways of the Lord, you know, and that difference between earning and learning was uh drastically different of just letting the father love me and then love through me to others.
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Um big, big turning point in my journey because I feel like for at least a decade and a half or more, it was all about striving for the more.
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I think it was uh JB Phillips, one of the Bible interpreters, or it could have been uh Moffat, but he said, I used to think that the greatest things in the kingdom were top shelf items.
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And by always climbing and and and pulling myself up, that I could achieve them.
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And he said, Now I realize that the best things in the kingdom are bottom shelf items, and all I have to do is lower myself, humble myself to take a hold of them.
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And I I would have to say that's that's been true of my journey as well.
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Wow.
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I love that you know, no one has ever brought this up actually on this podcast so far, but the this missional aspect of encounter and signs and wonders and things like that, because even among a lot of people who are criticizing the supernatural and miracles and things like that, you know, to me, I think I don't I bel I suspect, let me put it this way I suspect most of these people are not out on the street or on the mission field, on the open fields, at crusades.
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Because when you are like that and and somebody's standing in front of you and they need a miracle right now, you know, you're not the one, well, I'm sorry, God doesn't do miracles.
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You know, yes, you might be in pain, yes, you might be suffering, but my God doesn't do that anymore.
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You know what I mean?
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But the our experience and your experience, of course, is no, we need a miracle, we need a God who will show up and heal you and touch you right now because the power of God is the love of God in action.
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He's he loves them, he doesn't want to leave them in this pain.
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He does.
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And yeah, and encounters happen.
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Like we were just talking yesterday, our team, we'd just done a boot camp, a two-week intensive time in a town.
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It was phenomenal.
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Like incredible fruit.
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20% of the town was reached with the gospel.
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But my point is, there was encounter after encounter after encounter after encounter, and the only thing I can really say was maybe different was we were all on mission, and suddenly it was supernatural everywhere you looked.
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Yeah, that's so good.
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I I I think um there have been those in the past that have measured spirituality by the input of what happens to me.
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Right.
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And we really feel like part of the distinction of an apostolic church or an apostolic foundation is the output.
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It's about the mission, it's about the assignment, or how Paul wrote in Galatians, he said, the only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love.
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Wow, and um, so that has been our goal is not just to have encounter after encounter after encounter, but how does our faith find love's expression?
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And that's not so much in what happens to me, but in what happens through me to touch the world around.
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So good.
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And uh yeah.
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Wow, I love that.
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All right, take us to one of those well moments.
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Okay, I I'm just kind of trying to decide what category.
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I I mean, something that's kind of fun.
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Right before COVID, I was in uh Russia a few times, and it's always interesting being an American in Russia, uh, especially like a Cold War kid.
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Right, you know, and all the Rocky movies and everything.
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And, you know, uh to know that before some of the communism and socialism, even there was a thousand years of Christianity.
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Well, that's wild.
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It's like, oh, wait a minute.
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Yeah, you were Christians longer than we've been a nation, you know.
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And um, and just to see some wonderful faith there, but I was in a I was in a church in St.
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Petersburg, Russia, and um and it it was a large auditorium, it sat a couple thousand.
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We're actually St.
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Petersburg, if you don't know, is in the Arctic Circle, you know, and um so I don't know how, but there's butterflies that would fly around during worship, okay, inside.
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Whether they ordered them on Amazon or something, I I can't say.
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I don't know, you know, like I don't think so, and I know that these butterflies are not indigenous to the Arctic circle.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, I I was getting ready to speak, and the Lord said, tell them revival's coming to this place.
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And I'm like, no, that's cheesy.
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Like, I don't like I don't like making general statements.
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I don't like, you know, blah, blah.
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I'm not gonna hype them up, you know, and he's like, say it.
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I'm like, okay, Lord.
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And so I go, revival's coming to this nation.
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I'm not kidding.
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A butterfly appears, like poof, appears and lands on my finger.
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Wow.
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And stays there.
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Yeah.
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And I'm just like, I'm just staring at it.
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I actually have a picture of it.
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Oh, come on.
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Somebody took a photograph of it, but right then a guy who was born blind in one eye stands up and goes, I can see.
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Wow.
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And then miracles start breaking out in the room.
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And it's like I didn't do anything.
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Yeah, I I mean, the only thing I did was say what God said to say, and then he brings this sign and wonder, and and um and then these miracles start breaking out.
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So that was super fun.
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So that opened up a few other opportunities in Russia, and I was over in Siberia, yeah.
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Uh Krasnoyarsk, uh, the uh capital of Siberia, and um uh I was doing a conference with a friend of mine.
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The friend was actually the main speaker, and he got held up in uh immigration and couldn't get in for two days.
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Oh my gosh.
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So I was just supposed to be kind of backing him up and supporting him.
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So, you know, the first day I'm just kind of introducing them to who I am, even and what's going on.
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I said, Hey, yeah, we have a resurrection team and we have la la la.
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And you know, we're just moving on.
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Well, when I said that we had a resurrection team, I felt the crowds like baby jump, is what we say.
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Yeah, you know, when when Mary, the mother of Jesus, stepped into the room where Elizabeth, who was pregnant with John the Baptist, was and she greeted him, the baby within her womb, John the Baptist, leapt at the sound.
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And we say, always pay attention to what makes your baby leap, you know?
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Wow.
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And so when I had uh when I just mentioned that we were, you know, experimenting with resurrection teams and so forth, I felt the faith jump in the room, but I kind of kept going.
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And I felt like the Lord said, Hey, go back to that resurrection thing.
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So I said, Okay, guys, I felt something.
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There were about 2,000 probably uh pastors and leaders in the room, and I said, Hey, here's what we're gonna do.
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Um, you know, resurrection is a biblical reality.
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We also see it in early church history, that it continued, you know, to be a thing at least through the third century.
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And, you know, we have other documents throughout church history.
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Uh and um, and so, you know, we've been we've been going after this a bit and um to make it normalized in Western culture.
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And I said, but here's the deal if you have to go after this like a primary thing, it's not hard to get resurrection, it's hard to penetrate hundreds of years of atmospheric unbelief.
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Right.
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See, like the resurrection part's the easy part, but actually Christians believing that it's a reality and how how ironic that all of Christianity hinges on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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But we few of us would ever like believe it or go after it in Western culture today, you know.
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That's so good.
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So anyway, I said here's the deal like, if you're gonna go after it as a primary, earnestly desire greater gifts, you know, and uh and if you'll pray for at least a hundred dead people before you give up, right?
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Whoa.
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Then come forward, you know?
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And about 200 of the 2,000 came forward and we just prayed for them, and God showed up in powerful ways, and and it was just kind of messy, and that was pretty much the end of service.
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Well, the next day, two pastors came back and it experienced resurrection after they left.
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Oh my gosh.
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I know, I know.
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So one guy was driving home and there was a car accident, and traffic was backed up, and he got out of the car.
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He said, Hey, I'm a minister.
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Is there anything I can do?
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And they said, Yeah, you can you can do last rights.
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The emergency vehicles were already there.
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You can do last rights because he's dead.
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And he said, Okay, and so he's walking over, and as he did, he said, Oh no.
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I went full to frame a hundred dead people, and I didn't teach him how or anything.
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That's awesome.
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And so he walks, he walks over to this certified freshly dead person and says, you know, in the name of Jesus, you know, live or whatever.
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It was a very short prayer, very simple, and the guy coughed and and came back too, and the emergency people saw it.
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One of the news services caught it, like and it became a really big thing.
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Another guy was at a train station and um saw a bunch of young people uh around uh a guy laying on the ground, and they thought it was kind of like a gang because they were kind of kicking him, but they were kicking him to see if he was alive, if he was breathing, and it was a guy who had OD'd and he had the same experience.
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Oh no, I just said I would do this, and so I'm going to.
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And he walked over and he commanded life to come into him, and this guy kind of coughed and then uh ejected something from his mouth and uh and and he lived.
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Wow, and so we had these two documented resurrections within 24 hours of of doing the impartation, and and then there were some others that followed later on.
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Yeah, well.
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But yeah, that'll really help cut through that atmosphere of unbelief, right?
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.440
Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
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And you know, again, I I had nothing to do with it.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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But it was it was super fun in releasing that word, yeah, yeah.
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And and why not?
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You know, we say, why not resurrection along with everything else we believe?
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And like if you if you don't have faith to start with dead people and start with house plants or roadkill or whatever, like just I've done that many times.
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You know, I even though I don't want them back.
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I do believe it's changed.
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Get your faith moving, you know.
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Yeah.
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You know, I I I remember back in about it was 2009, and uh a pastor friend of ours, you know, he died, and um, and I was sitting in the parking lot beforehand at the hospital going to go and pray for resurrection.
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And I went through my phone and I thought, I've got hundreds of people in my phone.
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There's probably only two or three people in here that I can text, and they're not gonna think I'm absolutely crazy, you know, to pray that I'm going to go pray for resurrection.
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But now, you know, I know that there's there's probably 90% of the people in my phone would be all in for it, you know.
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So I think something is changing, either that or I've got better friends.
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Probably some of both.
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Let's let's just believe that even this conversation is sparking some of that faith because it's time.
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It's time to break through that generational hundreds of years unbelief and and see what we're doing.
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We actually talked about uh having release forms for our senior citizens to uh you know, like a do not resuscitate order.
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Please do relate.
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If you want to go on to be with the Lord, then let us know because otherwise we're going to guys want to come.
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We're bringing you back.
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The resurrection team's on its way.
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Um, I might be jumping to something, but I know there's a story that you have that blew my mind.
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I heard years ago about a guy with a head chopped off.
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Do you know the story?
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Um Oh boy.
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This yeah, it's actually stirred my faith so much, Deno.
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I'm I'm wondering if you could share that.
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It seems in line with this conversation.
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Sure.
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That was that was a testimony that I had received from a missionary.
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Unfortunately, I don't tell that very often.
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Um because I actually got that missionary kicked out of the nation.
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Oh, wow.
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Um, because I mentioned his name.
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And I was trying to, I mentioned his name to try to honor him and like, you know, just be um, you know, like not plagiarize somebody else.
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Yeah, I totally understand.
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Um yeah, so I won't say the country, I won't say the person.
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Only say what's able to be said.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So um it was a um it was well, it was a Muslim nation.
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I think that's fine.
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And um, and there was an evangelist, and uh it was more in kind of a uh village region.
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And any of you that have done missions in other countries, there's a big difference between the cities and the villages and and even the laws um and what they can get away with in villages and cities.
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So this man was uh uh preaching the gospel in a village, and they actually chopped off his head and they took him outside the city and they threw his body on one side and his head on the other side.
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And um, and there was a Muslim man that was walking the road.
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Of the road, one on each side of the road, right?
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Huh?
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The body on one side of the road, the body on one side of the road, the head on the other side of the road.
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Yeah.
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And um, there was a man who was walking home.
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He had not been there, had not known what happened, but he saw that head on the other side of the road and the body, and he said, That's not right, even for a Christian.
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And so he picked up his head just as a thing of honor and sat it by the body.
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And when he did, it reattached and the guy came back alive.
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I mean, come on.
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That's just why he walked in.
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I know, and they walked into the village where he had just been killed, and um, and they all saw him, and because of that, the the man told the story of what he had done, and then he preached the gospel, and the village came to Christ.
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Yeah, and um, so I I I you know I love meeting missionaries and say, Hey, what's your craziest story?
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And that's one of his craziest stories.
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But um there was a Baptist pastor that came up to me and he said, I've been in that nation and I know that man that that happened to.
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And he said, There's a scar all the way around his neck from where his head was chopped off.
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And he said, That is a true and credible story.
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And um so well, I know when I first heard it, my faith levels went through the roof.
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I was like, come on, Jesus.
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Yeah, wow.
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Well, actually, it's like pretty documented in history, like Saint Dennis.
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Like, if you go to France, the Mount of Martyrs, um, there's a church on the Mount of Martyrs where uh that's had the longest 24-hour prayer meeting in the history of the world.
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Uh, and uh it was at the bottom of that hill.
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It's called the Mount of Martyrs for this reason.
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At the bottom of the hill, Saint Dennis was beheaded, I think, in the 15th or 16th century, and um uh for preaching the gospel and in the middle of his message, and he walked over, picked up his head, and the head kept and held his head and kept preaching.
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And he walked to the top of the hill where the chapel now sits and and finished preaching the gospel and then he passed away.
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But I mean, that's the story, like it it's it, you know, one of the things about the Catholic saints is that when they granted someone sainthood historically, they would first go research it, like they would send a research committee to try to disprove the miracle, right?
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And if they couldn't disprove it, then they would grant it, grant them sainthood, you know.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:47.840
And and so here we have this beautiful like monument today, and it's even called uh Mount of Martyrs, only it's in French, it sounds a lot better.
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:54.559
But um, but nobody knows the story of what's behind it, you know?
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:05.760
And so I started researching, and there's at least four or five documented cases of the same type of thing happening in history.
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:21.840
Yeah, and uh so one of the things we do, like with mystical experiences or like um what wouldn't be considered ordinary encounters by the average person, we we we we try to do three things.
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.119
We normalize, we contextualize, and we weaponize.
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:36.960
And by normalize, I mean we have to create a space where it's safe to talk about things that where you're not gonna be thought crazy or demon-possessed or whatever.
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:45.519
Like we we we just have to have a safe place for conversations because the Bible is a very supernatural book and full of mysteries.
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:54.800
And then secondly, we want to contextualize, and that is everything needs to be grounded in scripture and in Christian history.
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:07.840
And uh, so if it has happened throughout Christian history, we know that there's a continuance to that gift or that expression of Christ in the church.
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:15.199
And uh Paul wrote that every matter should be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:23.519
So we're not looking for one obscure verse, we're looking for several witnesses within scripture, several witnesses within Christian history.
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.360
And then when then we talk about the weaponized side.
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.639
And the weaponized is this how can we serve with this?
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.320
How can we love with this?
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.840
Listen, we're not gonna let encounters end with us.
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Encounters are missional in nature.
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:39.039
Yes.
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:53.679
Uh, first Peter 4 10 that says, let each one use whatever gift they have received to serve one another, ministering the grace of God in its diverse or multi dimensional forms.
00:43:53.840 --> 00:44:20.320
And so our goal is to create a community where we're not like just Kind of bragging about our encounters that we're having, but actually helping people to take encounters they've had and then to contextualize them in the gospel and in Christian history and then to weaponize them in love and service so that we're making a difference.
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:28.320
You know, it's like I it always frustrates me when I meet people who say, Yeah, I went to heaven three times this week.
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:32.960
And I'm like, hey, I believe in that, but bring some back for the rest of us.
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.519
Like right, and and honestly, I'm not experiencing your heavenly man.
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:53.599
Like if you go to heaven so much, make sure you get a carry-out portion because our goal is not may those on earth go to heaven, but our goal is may it be on earth as it is in heaven.
00:44:54.239 --> 00:45:01.280
So if you're not bringing back a carry-out portion, it's not that I doubt the validity of your experience.
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.280
I doubt whether you understand what those experiences are for.
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:05.760
Yes.
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:24.320
And uh if they're not transforming us and making us more like Christ, and if they're not weaponizing us with a proof of the living God and the living gospel, then I think there's still a missing link in our encounters.
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:24.800
Yes.
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.559
I love that so much.
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.719
You know, I know some people might already be struggling with some of these.
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.360
But you know, God, God is a God of the impossible.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:44.880
And even among those who believe in miracles, I know sometimes people struggle with some of the more radical kind of things, but because you know, we sing songs.
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:50.559
Well, I've been preaching this for so long now that we've got a whole new generation who don't know the songs, maybe.
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:55.519
But there's that old Hillsong song, you know, all things are possible, you know, all things are possible.
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.039
You know, yeah, I remember it.
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:08.559
But we might be singing that, but it's like all things are possible except for the impossible, you know, and we still put we still put these roadblocks up on what does in all things are possible actually mean, you know.
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.639
But Christianity, like you've said, is nothing if not supernatural.
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:19.599
We worship a spirit, God is a spirit, you know, and so nothing, nothing is too hard for him.
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.320
Why, why couldn't he make a head reattach?
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:31.840
And the fruit of that being the entire village coming to Jesus, like yeah, you want to win a Muslim village to Jesus, that's a way to do it, you know?
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.239
Yeah, and so I I love that.
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:49.760
It it does seem like Paul was probably stoned to death and left outside the city on the road, and then the disciples came and prayed for him, yeah, and he like went back into the city and preached the gospel.
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.599
So I mean, there is also biblical precedent, right?
00:46:53.920 --> 00:47:00.800
You know, not necessarily for the decapitation side, but for the death and resurrection for the preaching of the gospel.
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:01.360
Yeah.
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:07.840
Um, and um, yeah, and obviously that's one of the most extreme stories I've ever heard, you know.
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.519
What do you have others you'd like to share?
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.119
And you brought it up.
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:25.920
Well, you can you can say no to this, you can say no to this, but do you do you want to tell the next level one of those same stories or or you prefer not to?
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.920
Because I know there's a second part as well, right?
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.599
We can we can say you can say your show, Ben.
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:41.760
How much hate mail do you want to get?
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:42.880
We're all in.
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.800
Listen, I'm I'm okay to get hate mail for the right reason, you know?
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.639
And if we believe too much, then I'm okay with that.
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:52.239
Yeah.
00:47:52.800 --> 00:48:03.920
So in that same nation after that happened, uh, there was a man who was because of what had happened to the other man, was totally dismembered.
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.840
Okay, so they cut off his arms, his legs, and his head.
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:25.119
And uh so that because now there was like kind of a you know legend going among these villages that uh it's not enough to cut off their head because they'll come back and preach the gospel.
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.639
And so they totally dismembered a guy, and and the same thing happened.
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:39.599
He he came back together, he, you know, his parts came back together and he walked back into the village that had dismembered him and shared the gospel.
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:48.719
So yeah, that's kind of a short version of that particular story, but I mean, those things stir my faith, honestly.
00:48:49.039 --> 00:49:03.199
And I I often think we turn revival history, biblical history into a fairy tale rather than actually, God's done it before, he will do it again, and believe, turn that into active faith for right now.
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:05.920
That's so important, Jody.
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:15.920
I think there's people that are fascinated with generational curses, you know, and they're like, and their whole ministry is around helping people break through.
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:22.000
Hey, I'm for anything that brings freedom, I'm for anything that that helps people get healthy.
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:38.320
Like, um, but I hear very few people talking about generational blessings, and of course, the scripture says that a generational blessing lasts to a thousand generations of those who fear him, whereas a generational curse two to three generations.
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:50.159
And and I I I believe that the scripture contains my generational blessing because I've been adopted into the family of Christ.
00:49:50.320 --> 00:50:07.119
I've been adopted into this lineage of the Christian heroes, and so I believe that the stories are not just there to inspire me, they're there to guide me as to what is possible in Christ.
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:26.320
And I think when we say if this happened to them, then this can happen to me because I have this inheritance through the adoption into the family of God and into um Christ Jesus.
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:43.440
And and uh and and that has really served me well to quit reading um revival history as just fascinating elements of the past, but actually as possibilities for my future.
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.440
Yes, and um I love that.
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.159
And to do that again by the blood of Jesus, by the adoption, the spirit of adoption.
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.480
Like this is our access point.
00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:06.000
When the when the disciples came back celebrating, even the demons are subject to us, and Jesus said, Hey, don't rejoice about that, rejoice about this, that your names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:10.159
He was establishing how all those things happened.
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:22.400
Like, hey, these things happen because of this, because you are now in the bloodline, because you're now in the family, because now you're an eternal being.
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.480
Uh, and um, and then it says Jesus rejoiced greatly.
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:35.039
And and in the Greek it means to go in a circle, to like celebrate, to celebrate in a circle.
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:47.280
So he wasn't killing their joy, he was actually connecting the joy of their power experience to the reality of their redemption.
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:55.360
And I think that's what sometimes happens is like there's a disconnect between the miraculous and the new creation.
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:08.480
And to say all this happened because of my union with Christ, because of my salvation, because I wasn't just saved out of something, I was saved into something.
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:21.840
And once again, I think just like a power wire is is safer and stronger when it's grounded, um, the same is true of supernatural.
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:29.280
Yeah of the grounding is is our is our scriptural context, our historical context.
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:42.800
The grounding is our is Christ and Christ alone and his redemption, the power of his redemption and his blood and the new creation, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on all flesh.
00:52:43.119 --> 00:53:08.480
When our encounters are grounded in the reality of what God has done and not in what happened just to us or through us, then they retain their innocence and they retain their beauty and they're more sustainable instead of being singularities, they become systems of faith that propel us into greater works.
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.679
So come on.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.440
You're so um eloquent, so eloquently said.
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:31.679
I want to come back to um, I was just thinking about the Russians, and I remember one time I was with you, and uh we there was a group of about 50 Russian pastors, and they were so hungry, and you said, Ben, come with me quick, let's go pray.
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We've got the a room put aside, we're gonna go pray for these Russian pastors.
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:41.119
And so it was literally like we went in there and mowed them down.
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:45.119
Like it was, and before we knew it, there was a literal pile.
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:56.320
I mean, they were on top of each other, like a stack of Russian pastors just encountering Jesus, you know, um, the joy, the power, just all of them out.
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:56.960
The sound.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:15.920
Um, the reason I'm bringing that up though is because, you know, I I know recently a lot of people are struggling once again with maybe things, okay, there's nowhere in the Bible where it says that there was 50 pastors, uh, you know, drunk under in the power of God, and a piled up body.
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:29.360
And I saw somebody even trying to um, you know, speak against Azusa street, you know, saying like it wasn't biblical because, you know, they were they were drunk and they were having these encounters and these experiences and things like that.
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.679
And we don't see that anywhere in the scripture.
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.079
Um, you know, so what what would you say?
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:39.840
What would you say to that to people who are are struggling with not seeing these things explicitly in the Bible?
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.719
Yeah, that's that's so good.
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:47.679
I I think one of, you know, there's several pieces to that answer.
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:56.239
And one is we all read the Bible through a lens, and um, and we read Christian history through a lens.
00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:31.440
And oftentimes we kind of whitewash the Bible and we whitewash the uh Christian history, and like you know, John Wesley would there's a term that he used called thunderstruck, where thousands of people would be mowed over in his meetings, where the Cane Ridge revival, yeah, where people would be out in the spirit, and and even skeptics would come in and be stuck to the ground until they could repent.
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.480
And it's like, um, and and that was the birth of the Nazarene church.
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:54.719
It was the birth of the Church of Christ, was actually in those meetings in Cane Ridge, Kentucky, uh, in the 1800s, and and and it's like we tend to wash away sometimes our revival roots that things are birthed in.
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.639
And we don't do it on purpose, it's because we're looking through a lens.
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:05.360
Yeah, and when we have a lens of uh um, it's actually brain science, okay?
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.119
So I love the brain science of it.
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:17.679
Yeah, you have in the back of your head something called your reticular activator, and that means that you can't see what you don't believe is there.
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:18.559
Okay.
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:31.519
Um, and what happens is your reticular activator is screening out what it deems unnecessary in both your aur and your visual environment.
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:43.840
So we screen out as much as 97% of the sound around us, and we also screen out things visually so that our brain won't be overwhelmed with information.
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:52.079
So it's actually like a governor or a gating system, a compression system to protect us from overload.
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:56.400
Well, in the same way, this is why I can't find my car keys.
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.000
I go, honey, where's the car keys?
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.639
And she said, it's right on the it's right on the end table there.
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:04.239
And I'm like, no, it's not.
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:04.960
I looked.
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:12.960
And then she gets up out of her desk and she walks over to the end table and she picks them up and smiles sweetly and hands them to me.
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:13.519
Yeah.
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.880
And um, why couldn't I see it?
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.000
I actually could not see it because I didn't believe it was there.
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:32.000
Because I didn't believe it was there and I hadn't had experience with it being there, my brain was screening it out as non-essential information.
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:32.400
Right.
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:40.800
And um, and so when we look at the scripture through a, and and this was my upbringing.
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:47.440
I was taught that the gifts of the spirit are no longer for today, the apostles and prophets don't exist today.
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:48.719
I was taught those things.
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So when I read the Bible, that's all I could see.
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:51.840
Yeah.
00:57:52.239 --> 00:58:02.400
But when my gate was opened to the supernatural and opened through these ongoing testimonies, what happens?
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I start seeing these things everywhere.
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:11.039
I start seeing them throughout the scriptural record, I start seeing them throughout the historical record.
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:19.119
And so, yes, it's not always um, it's not always really clear in scripture.
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:28.320
Scripture is not the limit of what we can do, um, because Jesus said, the same things I do, you will do, and greater things.
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:36.159
And so he is telling us that uh that greater things than even what Jesus did can happen.
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.480
All the same things can happen and greater things.
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.239
So, how do we interpret greater things?
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I I'm not sure, but when we go to the nature of God, it says, now to the one who is exceed who can do exceedingly abundantly above and beyond what we have asked, what we have thought, and what we have imagined, to him be glory in the church in Christ Jesus.
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:17.920
And it's like God wants to be glorified in the church, in the thing that's exceedingly above and beyond all that we've asked, all that we that means prayer, all that we've thought, that is our system, and all that we've imagined.
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:39.519
And so it is in the nature of God, it is in the nature of the words of Jesus, and it is in the structure of Christian history, two or three witnesses to know that there are going to be things that are extra biblical that are not anti-biblical.
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:39.920
Right.
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:47.039
And that's the difference that we're looking for is like some revival events are extra-biblical.
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.199
Um, the one that I just shared about a man being decapitated.
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:59.599
And the extra biblical means it's not in the Bible, it's it's extra to it's extra to it, as opposed to anti-it, right?
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:00.960
Yeah, exactly.
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:10.000
And so um it it's not against scripture, even though it is not specifically spoken of in scripture.
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:14.239
But of course, we have all the resurrections in the New Testament.
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:20.159
Yeah, we have this situation with Paul being stoned outside the village, they pray, he gets up and walks in.
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:26.559
Um we do have so there are typologies that speak to this same situation.
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:33.760
I would say the same with slain in the spirit, uh, which is the term that many people use when people are kind of mowed over.
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:47.920
You know, if again, if we're going to brain science, again, all right, there's hardly a human who hasn't heard an inspiring song, an inspiring testimony, something where they don't get goosebumps.
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:48.639
Right.
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:50.400
Okay, what is goosebumps?
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:57.599
It's the largest organ in your body, your skin, responding to anointed information.
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:06.079
In other words, your skin is verifying a spiritual reality or at least responding to a spiritual reality.
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:19.199
It's called mechanoreception, and it is how your skin pores and your hair follicles respond to heat and cold, but also to um spiritual realities.
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:32.079
Well, in the same way, you have a sense within your body that is called your equilibrioception, and it is your sense of balance, of gravity and acceleration.
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:49.760
So, in the same way that your skin responds to something anointed, your equilibrium scepters, uh, which is your vestibular sense within your ears and and and in your brain, when it is responding to Holy Spirit, what happens?
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:50.239
Yeah.
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:57.840
Well, you you lose that balance, you increase gravity, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you experience acceleration.
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:03.199
It's like honestly, it's no different than something you're already experiencing.
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:09.679
It's just hitting a different part of your brain um than your thermal reception.
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.679
It's hitting your equilibrioception.
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:12.559
This is wild.
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.440
I just spent the last two days fishing in Canada, right?
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:17.360
So I'm home in Dallas today.
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:18.639
I got home last night.
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.840
Um, but I spent the last two days fishing or 10 hours on the water in a boat.
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.599
And the second day especially, it was actually pretty rough.
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.880
And thankfully I grew up on the water, so I don't get seasick at all.
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:41.280
But I actually was having very intentional thoughts about the fact that I could stand on the back of this boat in the midst of it being very rough and just balance.
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.159
And I'm not consciously doing this, right?
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:48.880
Somehow my my legs and my hips and all of that stuff is all just moving and my knees.
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:55.760
I'm not calculating every single one, but there's something innate in us, it allows us to just balance, you know.
01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:00.800
And um, it's funny that I was actually thinking about this fact, not just doing it.
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:11.840
And so what you're saying now is that when we have this encounter with this presence, something short circuits basically that that whole balance thing, and form and we we we fall out, you know.
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:24.639
Yeah, I like to say it this way: a manifestation is not what God is doing to us, it's how our body is responding to um presence.
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.480
Yes, that's really good.
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:34.880
So it's like sometimes we want to sanctify the response rather than realize what's happening.
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:46.800
So um we we we all know that we are affected differently by different environments, like when it's cold outside, some people have a parka on and some people are wearing shorts.
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:48.159
Like, what is that?
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:51.920
Is it just somebody trying to be manly or whatever?
01:03:52.079 --> 01:04:04.960
No, it's different responses to environments and temperatures, and in the same way, um, manifestations are just physical responses to spiritual realities.
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:29.519
And so it's not what God is doing to me, it's how my body is responding to presence or to spiritual information, and that can be very um varied, where somebody is being overwhelmed and falling down, and and another person is having a vision, and somebody else is just standing in perfect peace and rest.
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:39.840
And it's so we don't want to try to sanctify the manifestations, we want to sanctify the moment.
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.719
We want to sanctify the awareness of presence, the sensitivity to presence.
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:55.280
And then we want to have a value for the diversity of responses that just standing in the glory, standing in the presence is just as holy as falling down.
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.000
And falling down is not even really holy.
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:59.840
It's just like goosebumps.
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:05.760
It's like, you know, God bumps, it's just in a different part of the brain, different part of the body.
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:20.880
In the book of Ephesians, chapter four, it says, and this is the negative context, it has says, having lost all sensitivity, they gave themselves over to sensuality with a continual lust for impurity.
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:28.239
And what it's saying is that our senses started for the purpose of sensitivity, not sensuality.
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But through the fall, we gave ourselves over from sensitivity to sensuality, where all we can experience is our desires and our our base human kind of things.
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And, you know, even our our sensuality is not bad in a new creation context, but but the contrast is between sensitivity and sensuality.
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And then Hebrews um uh 5 14 says uh that strong food is for mature.
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People who, by reason of practice, have trained their senses to discern both good and evil.
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All right, what's my point here?
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So good that your senses are made for sensitivity to kingdom information, not just to the natural world, but to the spirit world, to God and his presence, to God and his love, to God and his power.
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And each one of the senses in your body has a different response to presence, to power, to divine energy.
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Each one of our senses within our body will respond differently.
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Sometimes it's in a vision, sometimes it's in a sound, sometimes it's in heat or in a refreshing cool.
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Sometimes it's an awareness of presence.
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Sometimes it is this loss of balance or this chicken skin or whatever.
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It's like each one of these is actually just receiving presence on a different frequency, and how the body is responding to it through sensitivity.
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And so I love the diversity of ways that we can experience the presence of God.
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And some of them are more mystical than others, but um but they each actually have both historical record behind them and they have neuroscience behind them that would explain why we're experiencing what we're experiencing.
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We we understand that the whole universe is electromagnetic in nature, and that many of the things we're experiencing on a daily basis are just different wavelengths.
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Well, why would we not believe that would be true of the creator himself and his design uh of different frequencies and electromagnetics having different effects upon our responders or receptors?
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Yeah.
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I love that you're bringing out that intersection between the physical and the spiritual because so often we separate the two completely, um, you know, in an almost Gnostic kind of way, you know, in that like and you know, people often teach very dogmatically about the spirit and the soul and the body.
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And and let's be honest, the Bible is not very explicit.
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There's some things that conclude, but the it's not explicit about the separation of those things, you know.
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And I I think what you're talking about actually is very helpful for people who do struggle to encounter God, who maybe struggle, they think maybe I've never fallen down, I've and even those who struggle in speaking in tongues.
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And I like I like to tell people when I'm ministering like that, listen, it's not about falling down, but it's not about standing up.
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You know, there's no virtue in standing up.
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And I think so often, and many people have been taught it, people have made a vow, I'm not gonna fall down unless I can't stand up.
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And so they're so conscious on standing that they're not actually experiencing God.
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And so that that whole that that activation thing, they've actually activated themselves to stand up rather than just just receive from the Lord.
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You know, and it's the same thing with speaking in tongues.
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Sometimes people get so caught in their head that they're so focused on, like they think that God's gonna take over their mouth like a puppet, you know, and that's not what happens when you speak in tongues.
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God, you know, God doesn't just literally put his hand up the back of your shirt and take over your mouth like Kermit the Frog, do you know what I mean?
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Like you actually begin to speak.
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And if you're so focused on somehow you're gonna be taken over, you know, um, I think people struggle with that.
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Whereas if you can just relax and you can actually focus on receiving, it's the same reason, and this is just a great teachable moment, it's the same reason I actually tell people when we have catches, you know, and they're trying to hold people up.
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I've said, no, listen, catch them, but take them down to the floor, take them down to the ground, don't kind of prop them up because there's often there's a place on the floor where you're not thinking about standing up anymore.
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So your focus is not on your physical standing and you can actually receive because now you're like, okay, I'm lying on the ground, I can really begin to experience God because I'm not focusing on standing up or I'm not self-conscious, so to speak.
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You can also just start on the ground, right?
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That's right.
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Yeah, just bycast that all together.
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Because the river's always over your head when you start on the ground.
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Right.
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I'm just wondering, because I've I was listening, that was incredible teaching and wisdom, Dano.
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Like that was that was a hundred percent gold right there.
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But I'm wondering, is there some wisdom in saying then, based on everything you just shared, that training ourselves to be sensitive in our senses to the spirit of the Lord actually can be a um safeguard to not leaning into sensuality in culture and the world?
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Absolutely.
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I do think the law of displacement is in play within this.
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Right.
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Romans 12, do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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And so when I take my struggles with sensuality and then I sanctify that unto God as a sensitivity, then I think there is a displacement that can happen there.
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Romans 6.13 says, Don't let any part or don't use any part of your body or let it become an instrument for evil to serve sin.
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Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life.
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So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God.
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And it's like um the Romans 6 is all about where are you offering yourself?
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Like, listen, sin no longer has a hold on you unless you offer yourself to it.
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Yeah.
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But but it what it what would happen if you offered yourself to God?
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And it says, offer every part of your body to God as an instrument of righteousness.
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And I find that many times experiencing more encounter is just about sanctifying more of myself unto Christ.
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And it's like, yeah, he I belong to him, body, soul, and spirit, but I am learning to yield that that ownership and that mastery to him in ever-increasing measure.
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So I think I think Romans 6.13 is a great kind of declaration point.
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Um, because some people have written really good books on declaration, Jody.
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Thank you, Danner.
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You're very kind.
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So um by displacement, you mean one taking the place of the other, right?
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Is that a simply simple way to put it?
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Yeah, I think too many times, like in my early Christianity, uh, well, let me start this.
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Um, Graham Cook says the strongest form of warfare is displacement.
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And I believe that's true.
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There's too many times where I have removed the negative, but I haven't replaced it with the positive.
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Come on.
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Yes.
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And um, and the Bible shows that actually evil loves a vacuum.
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It's like if you if you throw the thief out of the house and clean up the house, but it's not filled, it's not occupied, then seven more worst come in.
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And uh again in Ephesians it says, um I I love this.
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It says, you know, if you've been stealing, work with your hands.
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In other words, hey, we know you're good with your hands.
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Quit using it to pick pockets and start using it to serve people.
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That's that's like this beautiful displacement.
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We don't understand that too many times when we only see the gospel as a means of forgiveness, we keep coming back to zero and never enter into fullness.
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We never make deposits into the kingdom bake.
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We only deal with debts and not with deposits.
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Yeah.
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And so our sin is dealt with and we're born again, but we're not enjoying any of the kingdom deposits because we haven't learned the laws of displacement.
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That I don't I don't just want to bring my account to zero.
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I want to deposit in my account healing and I want to uh deliverance and I want to uh you know, I want to uh put in there like awareness of presence.
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I want to keep depositing into that bank account.
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Like it's it's just and and when the scripture says, reckon yourself dead to sin, but alive to God in Jesus Christ, reckoning is an accounting term.
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And it's many people that have reckoned their sins as dead upon the cross, but has not reckoned the life of Christ, the resurrection power, the resurrection life, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit into that same account.
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And uh, that's what we want to help people do is just to get the fullness of abundant life that Christ died for, not only in heaven, but here on earth as it is in heaven.
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:38.319
Yeah, so good.
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You know, experience has been literally demonized, you know, in so many parts of the church.
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And basically, what that's what you're saying is that there's no point just being empty of sin and then not having that filled, but we were created for encounter, we were created to experience him and the very real reality that our souls actually need his presence.
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And so that's why that sensuality part, I mean, that's essentially what you're saying.
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Like, perhaps in the area of lust, you know, like it's not just that we're supposed to have the absence of lust, but even that desire, even that the place in our souls that desires lust is that desire of him, that desire of his presence.
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And so you can't just be empty of lust and then not be filled with the genuine intimate intimacy that we were we were created for, you know, and so to actually be experiencing him.
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Yeah, like the psalmist wrote, My heart and my flesh cry out for the living God.
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That is that displacement, that is that place.
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First Thessalonians 5, the last verse says, May now your whole heart, um, may your whole body, soul, and spirit be kept blameless unto the day of Christ Jesus.
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God Himself is faithful and he will do it.
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And so it is a holistic salvation.
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It is my body, my soul, and my spirit that have all been reconciled through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
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And um, and I'm enjoying that to a measure that I understand that and have and have, you know, um found that in the person of Jesus.
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And and and that's the journey, man.
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And I, you know, here I got saved at, you know, 14, 14 and a half, and now I'm 64 and a half.
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It's been, you know, 50 years of journeying with Jesus.
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And I have to say, it's just gotten more and more wonderful.
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It's just gotten more and more beautiful, more and more amazing.
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And people who had a salvation experience and are waiting, you know, for their redemption of their physical body, that's true.
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That's a real reality, but you don't have to wait for the glory.
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You don't have to wait for the presence.
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This is not a life insurance policy that pays off when you die, it's an inheritance that pays off the moment you're adopted into the family of Jesus.
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So good.
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And and this inheritance is available to you right now in Christ Jesus.
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And I I've never one day regretted or wanted to turn back from loving and serving Jesus.
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It is the greatest eternal adventure, it is the greatest quest to know him and to make him known, to enjoy him forever.
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Um, it is the greatest quest in the universe.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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I mean, this podcast is called Encounterable for that reason.
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You know, God is encounterable, and we were created to encounter him.
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You know, the other psalm, you know, as the deer pants for the water, so my soul longs for you.
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Yes.
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I mean, I've sung that in churches, I think, where they didn't believe that you your soul could actually have him, you know, experience him.
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But that is the reality.
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My soul longs and thirsts for him, not just the knowledge about him, but the actual experience of him.
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Uh and I just love that so much.
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I love that.
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Um You know, guys, I think one of the mistakes we're making, like in modern Christianity, is we think our beliefs are our faith.
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But our beliefs are more our thoughts about spiritual realities, and our faith is what we've actually put into practice, what you're willing to live, what you're willing to work with, what you're willing to serve from.
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And I think there's a real responsibility right now upon the church to take our beliefs and make them actually faith, which is why James said over and over again that faith without works is dead.
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It's like do you believe it enough to respond?
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Do you believe it enough to obey?
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Do you believe it enough to do something with this, to put it into practice?
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Because it's not about getting all your theology right.
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It's about walking in the light as he is in the light.
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It is about living it out, it's about experiencing it and seeing those realities impact the people and the places around you.
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:33.520
Yeah, wow.
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You're such a deep well, Dana.
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:36.640
I know.
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But you're just a good guy as well.
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I don't want to say we just love you because you're deep.
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No, you're you're just uh gosh, this is filling our souls.
01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:52.960
Um, I want to move into the prophetic a little, um, because I know this is a major part of you guys and what you do.
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Um, do you want to tell us a little bit about your own experience with the prophetic and how you would categorize yourself, even just even your personal experience of the the prophetic.
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Sure.
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And then we'll move into some of the fun stuff as well, obviously.
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Okay, great.
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Um yeah, the prophetic, uh, when we were talking before about in 1 Corinthians 12, it talks about how each person has received different gifts that God has given them.
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And that, but it then that might make it sound like, well, you got what you got, and God ordained that you would have this one, you know, or these two, or whatever.
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But then the last verse of that same chapter says, earnestly desire greater gifts, and I'll show you the excellent way.
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And the excellent way is love, and that's the way in the gifts, that's the way through the gifts, that's the purpose of the gifts.
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And then we come out in chapter 14 and it says, follow the way of love, earnestly desire greater gifts, especially that you might prophesy.
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So I want to put the same value on prophecy that scripture puts on prophecy.
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And uh, the whole purpose of prophecy is to reveal the person of Jesus.
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Not even a cessationist, one who doesn't believe gifts are for today, would deny the fact that all prophecy ultimately was pointing to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Uh, whether his first coming or his ultimate coming, um, all prophecy is to reveal the person and the purpose of Jesus Christ.
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And the same is true today.
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And unfortunately, I think people have gotten away from what prophecy is really about.
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You know, when I prophesy over you, I'm actually sharing what Christ looks like in you and what Christ can do through you.
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So I'm still revealing Jesus.
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Right.
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I'm just revealing the Jesus that's in you.
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Yeah.
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And um, so prophecy is because I've been crucified, it's no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me.
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That's it.
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Exactly.
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And and so prophecy's purpose and function is to reveal the person and purpose of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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And every when it has that center, then it stays really healthy and beautiful.
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Uh but unfortunately, prophecy has got into the area of myth and legend, and we've had all these kind of traditions and customs passed down to us, and people call it prophecy, and it actually is something other than um uh and obviously prophecy can do more than that, but that is its center, that is its core, that is its theological essence, and everything else flows from that um essence.
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.880
So I didn't even know about prophecy.
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Obviously, I told the story of being uh baptized in the Holy Spirit, and I kind of prophesied that, although I would say now that that was probably a word of foreknowledge, a word of knowledge, which is a different gift.
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Um, because I believe prophecy is something God desires, and a word of knowledge is something God knows.
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:27.840
Okay.
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So sometimes, like when Agabus declared, it said he predicted by the spirit.
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Nowhere is the word prophecy used, but it says he predicted by the spirit that there would be a famine in the land.
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Listen, we're not going around prophesying famines because God doesn't desire famines.
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But sometimes God knows that within the cycle of the earth's seasons and so forth, that a famine would come forth.
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So it's from the knowledge of God.
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It is a foreknowledge, word of knowledge about what will happen.
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It's not a prophecy.
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.800
So in the scripture, the word prophecy wasn't used.
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In the same way, we have people that want to go around, you know, predicting earthquakes and disasters and judgments and all these kind of things to the glory of God, you know, and call it prophecy.
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And I I first of all, I think that if it's if it's coming from God, it's not prophecy, it's a probably a word of knowledge for knowledge, um uh because it's not in the desire of God, it's not in the heart of God to do this, but it can be in the knowledge of God.
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Yeah.
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And um, sometimes he reveals it so that countermeasures can be taken, like we find in Amos chapter seven and eight, where Amos took countermeasures to what was revealed about an undesirable future.
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:05.119
And um, so uh I I didn't even know that prophecy was a thing, that prophets were a thing.
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And then uh when I got to Pastor Cletty's church in Florence, Kentucky, um, you know, they began to kind of say, Yeah, we think you have the gift of prophecy, we think you're a prophet.
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And he would just line me up and say, Hey, prophesy over these people.
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I was like, I don't even know what that is.
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I don't know how to do that.
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He would hand me the phone, he'd go, prophesy.
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And I'd be like, Well, who is it?
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Where are they?
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And he'd go, Prophesy, you know, and so I'd have to do these blind prophecies and unexpected prophecies.
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And, you know, he'd just be pulling the gift out of me.
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Um, and uh, you know, I learned a lot in that.
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It's not necessarily how I would train um others, but I'm really thankful that I know how to stir up the gift and put a demand upon my faith.
01:26:58.399 --> 01:26:58.800
Yes.
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Um, now our pathway is kind of reverse engineering how God spoke to people all throughout scripture.
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And we've taken how God spoke to people all throughout scripture and divided it into four categories of seeing, hearing, sensing, and perceiving, and then three dimensions of the natural realm, the internal realm, and the spirit realm.
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And those 12 ways would encompass almost every way that God would speak to a human being.
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And so we've kind of reverse-engineered a structure that helps people to recognize and respond to the voice of God.
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Because, you know, all of us have had that experience where God spoke to us and then we talked ourselves out of it.
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Like, hey, pay for that lady's grocery, or hey, go tell them I love them, or you know, hey, you know, bake a pie and take it next door.
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And we talk ourselves out of it.
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I like to say, you know, the supernatural most.
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Often is not stopped by the devil.
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It's usually stopped of natural causes, our natural mind, our natural reasoning.
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And Proverbs 3, 5, and 6 says, trust in the Lord with all your heart.
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Don't lean on your natural reasoning, but in all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He will direct your path.
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And so when I acknowledge God, you're speaking, I believe you, I receive that.
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Then we get directions, we get instructions, we get acceleration.
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And so what we've been doing in the prophetic is less kind of prophesying, you know, from the pulpit or uh prophesying over people, but actually equipping the saints to recognize all the ways that God is speaking to them.
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:58.239
The challenge isn't getting God to speak, the challenge is recognizing all the ways He's already speaking to you and just obeying faster because you're currently moving at the speed of your own obedience.
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:04.479
However long it takes you to recognize God is speaking and respond, that's your rate of acceleration.
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So our prophetic company is about training believers and equipping believers to recognize how God speaks so that they can respond faster and then to use it as a tool, not only of personal edification, but more so as a tool of loving and serving others.
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:26.399
So good.
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:28.800
Tell us a couple of fun stories.
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:29.760
Yeah.
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Well, um, I think you guys know um that uh many years ago we were um the Lord said, Hey, the spiritual gifts are a life skill, not just a ministry skill.
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I don't just want them in church, I want them in every sphere of society.
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And so we began to experiment with it.
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One of the things we did is that whole inheritance thing I was talking about, I read a legend about how Saint Nicholas broke up a child trafficking ring of his day and um how children were being smuggled out in pickle barrels.
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And um, they went and they checked the pickle factory, and sure enough, that's what was happening.
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And I'm like, hey, if Santa Claus can do it, so can I, you know, if St.
01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:20.079
Nicholas fourth century saint can do it, then so can I.
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And so I went and I got 10 posters of missing children at uh missingchildren.org.
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And uh I divided them among a team of about 120 people we were training, and uh, and uh one of the groups got the car, the make, the model, the names of the people that had abducted this little girl.
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But we'd never done this before.
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This girl had been missing for two years.
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Um, and uh, we'd never done this before.
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We didn't know what to do, so we just prayed.
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Father, we pray that the ropes would be loose and the door would be left open, whatever.
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You know, we just declared whatever the Lord was telling us.
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And um, two days later, that girl was found.
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She had escaped.
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Wow.
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And um, so then we had a policeman in our church who said, Um, hey, I heard about what's happened.
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I got two missing children right now, and I have no leads whatsoever.
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Can you help us?
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And we're like, I don't know.
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Like, we were just experimenting, you know, and we prayed there, just three of us in the office, and we got the clues.
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Greenhouse, street that begins with Jay, and they're posing as friends of the family.
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And uh, so he went back to the family, said, Hey, do you guys have some friends that live in a greenhouse?
01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.600
Is it maybe on a street that begins with Jay?
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:46.720
Yeah, I think, you know, the who so, you know, lives in on Jefferson Street.
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:47.840
Don't they have a greenhouse?
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Yeah.
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They went to the house and found that the child was being kept against their will in that house.
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And uh, so we were able to rescue both those, or help the police rather rescue both those people within uh the 24 hours.
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Wow.
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And obviously that's that's a combination of word of knowledge and word of wisdom and you know, several spiritual gifts.
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:15.279
But um now that's kind of been become a thing.
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And there's uh we have a group actually out of Australia that was wrestling uh rescuing refugees during the uh during the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, and um and they this group in in Australia was using spiritual clues to tell them what border checkpoint to go to and how to escape, and all without any knowledge whatsoever, just Holy Spirit knowledge, and they they rescued over 200 people.
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:46.960
Yeah.
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What would you say to those who inevitably would call this somehow new age and psychic and things like that?
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:55.039
Yeah, sure.
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Um uh first of all, if your devil is bigger than your God, then you already have a problem.
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Yes, right.
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Um uh so if you think the devil can do things that God can't do, then you don't even understand the nature of the creator.
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That the devil has only imitated things that God has created.
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The devil has never created one thing.
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Um, he's only distorted and imitated what already exists.
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So the enemy wanted to exalt his throne and make himself like the most high, um, but he couldn't do it because he's not a creator.
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But when we say, you know, that's of the devil, then we make him creator, we make him evil equal with God, and he's not.
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Um, so uh, first of all, I want you to think about the mission of Jesus as expressed in the book of Luke, when it says that he came to seek and to save that which is lost.
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And uh when we look at the Old Testament, when Saul of Kish lost his donkeys, the servant said, Let's go to the prophet and see if he can tell us where they are.
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And uh the prophet did tell them where the donkeys were, that they'd already been found, but then they told them who they were and uh what God had for them.
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And so there is a history.
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Um also um one of the sons of the prophets lost an axe head.
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Yeah, and he went to the lead prophet and he and said, I lost it, it's borrowed, I have no money, like help me.
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And they went back to the river, he did a prophetic act, caused the axe head to float.
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So what happens?
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We have a history of the prophetic being used to find lost things, lost possessions, lost valuables, lost people throughout scripture.
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We have the parables of Jesus about the lost coin, the lost sheep, the lost sons, and then we have the mission of Jesus Christ that I came to seek and to save that which is lost.
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Yeah, not only lost souls and lost people, but everything Colossians tells us, Colossians 1 says, everything in the invisible realm and in the visible realm, everything created was reconciled through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
01:35:21.039 --> 01:35:25.439
So we know that God is saving creation.
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:35.039
He's saving, you know, he is seeking and saving with his blood, he's redeeming all things and and everyone who will call upon his name.
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:50.479
Um so our skill set um to do this doesn't come by imitating the psychics, it comes from this ancient record of biblical truth, that when something was lost, they sought the Lord.
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When someone was lost, they sought the Lord.
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That the mission of Christ Himself is to seek and save that which is lost.
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So we're not imitating the imitators, we're going back to the original and we're saying, if this is in Christ and Christ is in me, then this is in me.
01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:12.960
Yeah the power to seek and to save that which is lost.
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:15.600
You know, I remember just a classic example.
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I mean, that is so good, so good, Dana.
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:26.000
I I remember when I when our daughter Keely was eight or nine years old, I think, and I was at a school fair with her.
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Would you call that?
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Is that what you call it here?
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You know, and I got distracted.
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I was on on the phone, and um, when I got off the phone, she wasn't on the ride anymore that I was standing in front of.
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:45.119
And there was hundreds and hundreds of people there, and of course, it's at night, and as a dad, immediately go, oh that's terrifying.
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Yeah.
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And and I just said, I said, Holy Spirit, where is she?
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And immediately the Holy Spirit said, She's on the swing.
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She's on the swings.
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And I turned around, and about 50 yards over, there's one of those ones with the you know, the big long chain swing things, and sure enough, here she is, she's going round and round on this on this chain swing.
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:09.680
And so just like that, the Holy Spirit revealed where my daughter is.
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:16.000
You know, why wouldn't he do that for his daughters, his sons and daughters all around the world, you know?
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:17.359
Of course he does that.
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Of course he loves us.
01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:23.199
Um, it's interesting, I guess, probably as well that he does it in the way of clues.
01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:24.560
Have you got any thought about that?
01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:31.680
You know, like a street named Jay, you know, a J Street, why wouldn't it be, well, they're at 10 Jones Street and things like that?
01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:36.239
Well, the scripture says that we know in part and we prophesy in part.
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And so no matter how much we know, no matter how exercised our gift is, it still comes in parts and pieces.
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Yeah.
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And um, you know, that goes back to something a friend of ours says uh from Proverbs that it is the glory of kings to search out a matter.
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And so there's glory in the searching out of a piece.
01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:10.479
And I think the other reason that God moves in partial information is to make us body dependent and to make us spirit dependent.
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That listen, I'm not your finder, I'm not your solution.
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Like, but I might have a piece, and you have a piece, and Jody has a piece, and when we put our pieces together, we have a more complete picture, and our dependence is totally upon the Holy Spirit.
01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:42.880
And um, so I think the reason for partial nature is the glory that's in searching out of matter, the dependency upon the spirit and the and the dependency upon a unified body working together.
01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.640
Yeah, it is like a heavenly safeguard, isn't it, to pride?
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That's for sure.
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Yes.
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Love that.
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So important.
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Yeah.
01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:56.000
I want to bring up, you know, we're talking about the extra-biblical thing.
01:38:56.159 --> 01:39:02.720
Um, prior to starting the podcast, we were talking a little bit about people becoming untethered um from the word.
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And um, you know, we're seeing a a lot of this, and you know, we we the three of us, you know, are very strong on the Bible, on the Bible being a hundred percent authoritative, the authoritative word of God.
01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:24.880
Um, but of course, our understanding of the Bible is not necessarily a hundred percent authoritative, you know.
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Right.
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:31.039
Um, and there's a danger, of course, about people becoming untethered from the Bible.
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And when we say that, we mean, you know, I think of the classic kind of spacewalk from the space shuttle or something, and they're out on the edge and they've got their tether, they're tied to the the shuttle.
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:49.279
Um, but if that tether is broken, then they float off into space, and before you know it, they're creating their own, um, their own religion.
01:39:49.520 --> 01:40:14.560
Um, but it's important, I know we kind of did cover this a little bit, but it's important there's a to understand correctly the difference between being tethered to the word of God, but also having our understanding of what the word says um re-interpreted for lack of a better word, based on based on experience, right?
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:22.239
Now, I know a lot of people would say that experience, we shouldn't interpret the Bible through our experience, but we should interpret our experience through the Bible.
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And there's a truth on both sides of that.
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Um, can we talk about that a little?
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Just to clarify what I'm saying, some things should never be interpreted based on our experience.
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Usually that's in the negative, right?
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So, for example, we don't say, well, miracles don't exist because we don't see miracles, right?
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:46.640
So we don't stop believing in miracles because uh we don't say the Bible doesn't teach miracles because we don't see miracles.
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But if our belief is that God doesn't speak, that God doesn't prophesy, that God doesn't do miracles, and then God does speak through us, he does speak prophetically, we do see miracles in front of us, then we need to reinterpret our understanding of what the scripture says.
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Do you agree with that?
01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:06.399
Do you want to speak to that?
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:13.920
Yeah, it really goes back to what we were talking about later, is you can only see in the scripture really what you believe for.
01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:20.720
And um uh, and so our scripture, yeah, I I like how you said it, it is both.
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.920
Sometimes we see something in the word, and you're like, I want that.
01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:35.920
I I believe that, I take that, and that act of faith ignites the spirit and truth that's upon that word and makes it living and active and powerful within us.
01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:48.800
Um, and then sometimes we have an experience and then we go looking for the root system, and uh the most sustainable fruit comes through the healthiest root.
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:56.960
And so we want a root system in scripture to explain our experiences, and so yeah, it it really does work both ways.
01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:19.199
I think um what we were talking about earlier is that when people start reinterpreting the parts of the Bible they don't like and even removing them and saying um that uh that that was you know a human interpretation of a godly thing.
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Well, obviously things can be lost in translation, we understand that.
01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:31.119
And um, that there are books that are the inspired version of uninspired thinking.
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:49.840
Like the 40 chapters of Job, you know, prior to when God speaks in the book of Job and Ecclesiastes and and um Solomon's journey into philosophies outside of Christ and then coming back to the center.
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:56.079
But I think the key to the codex of scripture is Christ.
01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:03.359
And um, and we allow Christ to define himself through scripture.
01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:24.800
And some of my friends that have gone a little bit astray, they've they have taken their view of what a father is, or they've taken their view of what good is, yeah, and then anything in scripture that doesn't line up with that, they've eliminated or explained away.
01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:25.279
Yeah.
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:37.600
And um, first of all, I can't start with a human lens, apply it to scripture and to God, and then come back with something that's not made in my own image.
01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:40.640
So it's it's just a form of idolatry.
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Yeah.
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:48.239
And people can practice idolatry with the true God, and they can practice idolatry with the Bible.
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Yes.
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:56.800
And uh, so what I want to do is start with the fact that God is revealing himself.
01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:08.239
The creator is revealing himself, and we have the written record of how he has revealed himself throughout thousands of years of history.
01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:12.479
And then we have other sources like creation.
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Romans talks about how everything that can be known about God can also be seen through creation.
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So the Lord has multiple witnesses, but I think the main thing about interpreting scripture, first of all, we have to value the record and have value for the whole record of scripture and people's journeys with God and their discoveries in God.
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But then also we have to start with Christ and work toward us rather than start with us and work towards Christ.
01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:55.119
And I see people do this all the time, where even they'll take, like, you know, some of the spiritual gifts and they'll say, Well, I have this personality because I have this gift.
01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:56.640
I'm like, no, no, no.
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Start with G like, don't start with sociology and work back toward the Bible.
01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:12.159
Start with the Bible and work back toward us because Jesus certainly had every gift and it wasn't a personality defect.
01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:16.000
Yeah, you know, so like, oh, I'm flighty because I'm prophetic.
01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:16.479
Right.
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:17.840
No, you're not.
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Stop.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I'm not on time because I'm always in the spirit.
01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:25.439
It's like, no, because you're rude and undisciplined.
01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:26.000
Yeah, that's true.
01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:32.880
It's like don't start with humanity and then try to sanctify it through scripture.
01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:43.439
Start with Jesus and and how he has revealed himself throughout thousands of years of history, yeah, and then apply that to us.
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:44.239
That's so good.
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:54.560
And uh, Ephesians 4 says we're being equipped till we all come to the measure of the stature of the fullness that belongs to the person of Jesus Christ.
01:45:54.880 --> 01:46:02.880
And uh what we find is that people who start the other way, they start with their experience, even with supernatural experiences.
01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:13.439
I know in Colossians uh two, it says, um, verse 18, it says, Don't let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.
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Such a person goes into great detail about what they've seen and they're puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual minds.
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And then it says in verse 19, they've lost connection with the head.
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And that's what happens.
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Like you can lose connection with the head through an angelic experience, you know, or through a heavenly experience, or through sacrificing the authority of scripture.
01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:43.279
And you get away from these things and you don't realize that you're getting away from the head.
01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:55.600
I have a friend who was seeing real miracles, walking with Jesus and everything, but they started like focusing on minors rather than majors.
01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.640
And they started, you know, looking into this.
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:04.560
Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm just gonna use it as an example, like Nephilim or, you know, something like that.
01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:23.840
And they start getting so into this that honestly you watch them lose connection with scripture, lose connection with the head of Christ, the centrality of Christ, lose connection with the body, and and they start majoring on minors in a way that becomes unhealthy.
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:24.159
Yeah.
01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:28.960
And I think that's why we need community, that's why we need the grounding of scripture.
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:44.640
But in all things, like this friend later came back to the Lord and he said, Dana, we got into a realm of kind of quantum entanglement and universal consciousness where there was real information, there was real power.
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:46.880
He goes, but I couldn't find Jesus.
01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:48.079
Wow, yeah.
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:54.960
And and getting back to the centrality of Jesus in all things is our protection.
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:57.439
And that's true in scripture as well.
01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:11.520
That in scripture, let's keep the centrality of Jesus as he defines himself, not as we would apply unto him, but as it applies to us from his record.
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:11.920
Yeah.
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:13.119
I love it.
01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:17.760
You know, in Acts, when it says, You shall be my witnesses, right?
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After the Holy Ghost has come upon you, you shall be my witnesses.
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:26.960
In order to be a witness, you have to see have seen, heard, and experienced something.
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:30.720
It's like you know the person, you know the situation.
01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:41.680
Um and that's that's such a great clue for us, even in understanding scripture, because we have to know the character and nature of God.
01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:50.239
And once again, it's one of those things where while we're you're reading into scripture from your experience, yes, when it applies like that, from that place of intimacy.
01:48:50.640 --> 01:49:04.399
In fact, in fact, the Bible says at least three times, maybe four times, that you can only understand the scripture by the Spirit of God, that there's there's a an encounter element, even just to understanding scripture.
01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:12.159
Um, so for example, I remember having conversation, and listen, like you said, this is our this is our show, so I can just go for it.
01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:24.720
But um, you know, having a conversation with a Calvinist pastor, you know, who was basically trying to argue to me that God had predestined people to hell, you know, that God had created people that were already predestined to hell.
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And the answer to that question, and I I even yesterday saw a reel where people were arguing on both sides, and you can make valid arguments for predestination and all this kind of stuff.
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The thing is, is that, well, hang on a sec.
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No, I know God, I know Jesus.
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I'm his son, I have a relationship with him.
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Let me tell you, I know that that's not the character and nature of God, that he predestined people to hell.
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So even though you make it maybe an intellectual argument from the scripture, I know him.
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So that is not the answer.
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Now, that's not to say.
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That because the danger here is that you can't use that all the time, right?
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Because that's the opposite to what you're saying, where you think, well, God is just the Father is only good and the good as I determine it to be good.
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Yeah, he's only fluffy, he's only ever nice, you know, and so we we interpret that the wrong way, but um there's a there's a ditch on both sides, right?
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There is, and I think like one of the things you do is like, yes, I know God and I've experienced him this way, and this is where that is in the word.
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Again, we want to ground things in how God has revealed himself.
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And of course, you know, I was raised hyper-Calvinist, you know, and uh so had to wrestle with that thing of predestination.
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And I realized, oh, predestination is a corporate thing.
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Those who choose this, that's their end.
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And those who choose this will be conformed to the image of his son.
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And it's like, um, so it's you know, it is reconcilable as well.
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Yes, yeah, you know what I mean, but not individually, but corporately, and and um, and so you know, God works by plans and he works by vision and he works by value.
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But uh, I think to your point, um I think it was um I think it was Leonard Ravenhill who said the man with an experience is never at the mercy of the man with an argument.
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Yeah, come on.
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And um, and I think that's what we're talking about here is like you you can say what you want about, you know, healing's not for today, or prophecy's not for today, or whatever, you know, um, these things are not real.
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And it's like, but I no longer have the luxury of even that argument.
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I don't even have the luxury of unbelief, okay?
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Because I've seen too much to not believe.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Now I can choose to doubt, but I can't not believe because I've seen too much.
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Yeah.
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And and the luxury of that ignorance and the luxury of that unbelief has now escaped me by exposure to the real living Jesus.
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And I think, you know, a good way to even bring it back to a personal um journey of faith in ourselves with the supernatural.
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I love where the Bible says that signs and want wonders follow those who believe.
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And so I've tried to make that a personal connection with prayer.
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Where if I'm not, I know the Bible talks about healing, if I'm not seeing enough healings, is there an element of doubt or unbelief in my life?
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And how do I turn that into a personal declaration and personal prayer?
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I believe, but help my unbelief rather than canceling out, well, there's obviously maybe healings don't happen anymore, maybe we're not in a season where God's healing, you know, et cetera, et cetera, and just turn it back to perhaps there's an element of unbelief in me.
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And let's deal with that because I know the Bible says that God heals.
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And if we're talking about signs and wonders, then why am I not seeing signs and wonders right now?
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Have I started to agree with an atmosphere of unbelief?
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Or do I believe?
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Because it says that they follow those that believe.
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And I think that brings it back to um what's my response to what the Bible's saying?
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Do I believe?
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And literally, you know, Jesus told us to pray, I believe, but help my unbelief.
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And I think we're in a season where we need to actually, I think corporately, we need to start praying again.
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I believe, but help my unbelief, because we're not seeing everything we should be.
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And Jodi, as one who had a health battle for a really long time, I think those words carry extra weight.
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Wow.
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Um, you know, I went through this thing where uh my daughter, when she was 12 years old, was jumped and beaten and sustained a traumatic brain injury that limited her function for seven years, you know, from 12 to 19 years old.
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And um it was so frustrating to get miracles out in the field and not be able to get them at home, you know, not be able to get breakthrough at home.
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And I know that you guys have lived this tension as well of like, hey, we believe in miracles, we're seeing miracles, but we're not getting it in this area um yet, you know.
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And thankfully, honestly, one of my friends came to the rescue.
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Uh uh Dr.
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Mike, who works with uh Randy Clark, uh came and did a PTSD um deliverance over my daughter and and 80%, you know, 80% different the next day, you know, and began just an incredible health journey from there.
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But literally, we we went to every healer and you know, every prophetic act and every doctor and every like we we just tried everything, yeah, you know, so desperate for healing.
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And I think sometimes in the supernatural community, people can think there's a lack of compassion for their journey and uh when they're struggling.
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But I've walked with you guys on your health journey.
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I've had this one my own with my wife, and I mean with my daughter.
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And I think uh the the challenge is it's those moments when people start changing their doctrine.
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Yes.
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It's like, well, you know, God, you're not showing up the way I thought you were gonna show up.
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You're not showing up in the timing I thought you were gonna show up, you're not showing up, you know, and and walking that place, like I learned so many things about myself.
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I learned so many things about faith.
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I learned so many things about God.
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Uh, I'm not saying in any way that God was holding back his healing to teach me something, I don't believe that.
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But I am saying that um that there were keys that we needed that we didn't have.
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Yeah.
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And other members of the body had some of those keys.
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Right.
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And um and and so if if there are people that are watching today that are on a like you believe in healing, but you're not experiencing it yourself, like I I want to say also how important, like Jody mentioned how important faith is and self-examination and and you know, repentance and and and believing um in what the Lord has said.
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It's also the community of faith.
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Like in James, where it says, if anybody's sick, let them call the elders, let them pray.
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It's like, hey man, sometimes you got to phone a friend, you know, and and sometimes you end up with Job's friends rather than rather than the friend you money, you know, and they're all trying to tell you why why this is happening and where your theology or your behavior is bad or whatever.
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And it's like, no, I'm that's not it.
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I'm telling you, you know, but we we need one another, we need the body, and um, and also that is the place where we say, am I gonna am I going to change my theology because of the battle I'm in?
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Yeah, or am I gonna battle with who Jesus has shown himself to be and what he has said?
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Yes, and that's where so many people give up because of their experience.
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And I think sometimes, like even when we look at uh the Hebrews kind of hall of faith, and it says, all these died not seen what they were believed for, like they saw it in the spirit, but they didn't see it in the natural.
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And I think sometimes we make the measure of faith seen in the natural what we believe to be true in the spirit, yeah, but it's not always true.
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Like honestly, even I think one of the tests of a five-fold minister is can the church beat the cheese out of you and you still love her?
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Yeah, come on.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, yeah, I don't like what I see in my spirit, the church is supposed to be, and oftentimes what it is, is not always reconcilable, but can I still believe and can I still love?
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And there are things I see in the spirit that I know will probably not happen in my lifetime, but I'm preparing the way for at least the next generation for it to be normal.
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That's amazing.
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And, you know, in the same way that David couldn't build the tabernacle because of the blood on his hands, but his son could, and then the glory came in.
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It's like there are things that I'm seeing right now, and there are things that I'm building for the next generation.
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And man, I'm I'm believing that I'm believing that the you know this could be that before I'm gone, but I'm also you know, approaching that age where where now I'm I'm staring down eternity with great excitement.
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Right.
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And I'm saying, what are the things that I believe that I may not get to see, but I still want to sew into?
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And um uh there there's that aspect of kind of generational thinking um as well in regard to our faith.
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And please don't ever use that as an excuse not to believe for God to move right now in your circumstance.
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Like, no, this is not a loophole.
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This is not this is not an exit ramp off the highway of faith.
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Yeah, it's not, it's actually like I'm gonna stay on that highway no matter what.
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Yeah, because I've seen too much in the word, I've seen too much in history, and I've seen too much with my own eyes to do anything but believe that this is who God is, this is what he does.
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Yeah.
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Um, but I'm also understand that I'm I'm learning, I'm growing, I need the body, not just my own resources.
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And if I I just want to die with my faith intact, you know what I mean?
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I'm not afraid of dying because what I've experienced of that realm, I'm pretty anxious about it.
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Not suicidal, but I'm pretty excited.
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But um, but like well, I think sometimes we forget that that healing isn't the goal, heaven is the goal, and healing is an expression of heaven.
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Yes, and um so like man, if if I die in the faith fighting the good fight, I won.
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You've won.
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So good.
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I won.
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Because healing isn't the goal, heaven is the goal, and healing is an expression of a heavenly reality.
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I love it.
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It's an expression of a of a loving father, and um baseline.
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I'd rather have the full reality than the expression.
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Yes.
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Jesus.
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I'm conscious of our time.
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This is being so so rich.
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Um you just pray for everybody, however you feel led, Dano.
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And then I'm gonna give an invitation.
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Yeah.
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All right, Father, we thank you.
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Lord, maybe for those who are listening that have never known you this way.
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Lord, I thank you that first of all, everybody who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
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Every single one.
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You won't leave one person out who will call earnestly, Jesus.
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I need you.
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Jesus, save me.
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Jesus, come.
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And I pray for the courage to break through everything that's trying to hold you back from the simplicity and the sincerity of that prayer.
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And then, Father, for those who are maybe in a health battle or a health journey, Lord, right now I pray that miracles would go forth.
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I pray that great faith would go forth.
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I pray that redemptive keys within community would come, that people who have other parts of the puzzle to unlock the treasure of that miracle would come to you and that you to them, you would be led to them.
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I just pray for the orchestration of heaven for all of us who know in part and prophesy in part to bring our parts together for a bigger, more beautiful picture of this glorious Jesus.
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And then, Father, I pray the spirit of encounter.
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Lord, I pray that we would not allow a spirit of fear to hold us back from any good thing you have prepared for us in Christ Jesus.
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Lord, I pray for those that have got away from the centrality of Jesus and they've majored on a minor in scripture and they've let their dogma become a dead zone of connecting with you.
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Father, I pray that your kindness would lead them back to the centrality of Jesus in all things.
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And so, Father, we thank you that this is such a beautiful, great, adventurous journey.
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We thank you for Ben and Jodi and how they've stewarded the faith, they've stewarded the presence.
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Lord, they're making this uh accessible to a larger audience.
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Lord, we bless their lives, their marriage, their health, their family, Lord, their finances.
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Lord, I pray that they would have more than enough to do every good thing that you've called them to do in Christ Jesus.
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And we thank you that this is the wonder of who you are, and we give you glory and honor and praise forever and ever.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Well, friends, my friend, if you're still watching this after two hours and you've hung in, well done.
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Well done.
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But listen, as Dano said, if you've never actually given your life to Jesus, if you've ever not actually ever said yes to him, and you've heard us talk about the importance of just a relationship with him, you're not being invited into religion, you're not being invited into a list of things you have to do or don't do, you're being invited into a relationship with a God who loves you, a God who loves you.
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And so, just as Dano already prayed, if that's you today, if you want to do that, you want to give your life to Jesus, you want to receive what he did for you and have him come and walk with you every day.
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I want you just to pray a prayer.
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Or you could just actually just say yes, Jesus.
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Just say it out loud right now, just say yes, Jesus.
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In the comments, you can put just yes, Jesus.
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But just pray this with me.
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Just say, just say it out loud.
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Just say, Jesus, God, save me.
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I call on your name.
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Be my Lord, be my savior.
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Please forgive me for my sin.
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I receive your forgiveness.
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Thank you for dying on the cross for me.
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I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead.
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Thank you, Jesus.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Friend, if you really prayed that prayer right now, you you you meant that, you believed it.
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I want to tell you, you just got saved.
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You just became a brand new, born again, totally forgiven child of God.
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And some people would say, Well, is it really that easy?
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And yeah, it's really that easy.
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It's really that easy.
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As Dano said in Acts 2 21, everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Yeah, he loves you so much.
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I've got a there's a uh website on the screen, uh pouritout.org/slash Jesus.
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Just go to that.
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We've got some further resources for you, and we'd love to connect with you.
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Yeah.
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Dano, this was just one of the richest conversations, and uh we love you so much, and thank you for taking.
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Yeah, thanks for setting it up, and thanks for for doing this and for carrying the presence and for letting me share my experiences with y'all.
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Love you.
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We could have talked another two hours.
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We could have talked another two hours.
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We'll do it again, part two.
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Let's do it again.
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Bless you.
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Yeah, Deborah Callon, thank you for coming on Encounterable.
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We love you.