Catherine Tyldesley : Returning to Coronation St, Motherhood, Aging & Reinventing Yourself

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So today I'm joined by a fabulous friend of mine, Kath Tilsley.
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Kath, how are you?
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I'm good.
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I'm very excited to be here.
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Same.
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I uh have been wanting to get you on the pod for ages because we have a a nice back and forward a lot of the time on text and Instagram where we're like sending each other like memes and reels and whatever.
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We love a voice note.
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A voice note.
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And it usually is around something.
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You're very, I feel like you're very mentally similar to me.
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I hope you don't mind me saying, but we used to be very, well, a lot bigger than we were.
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Yeah.
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Um than we are now.
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So we were bigger girls growing up and uh we've seen the light, but we work hard at it.
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We have to not diet, but we eat good.
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Yeah.
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We eat well and we work out hard and we know what it takes.
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Yeah.
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And we both know that we don't want to go back to where we were.
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Hell to the no.
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So you and like I don't know how my everyday life is governed by this thought all the time.
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Like I just went to Pret then and I'm like looking at the calories on everything.
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Yeah.
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Are you the same?
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I think for me, yeah, obviously calories are important, but what I've learned as I've got older and educated myself more and kept food diaries, it's what I'm putting into my body.
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You know, the chemicals in food or seed oils or anything that makes me feel rubbish is just not welcome anymore.
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Life's too short.
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And don't get me wrong, we all like a treat here and there, but um, I've now got to that really comfortable point where I'll walk in somewhere and I'm like, no, I don't want to eat that because I know what it does to my body, and that scares me.
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It does scare me.
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I think food is medicine and will either elongate your life or it will take years away.
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I always use the great analogy of it's like putting petrol in a diesel car.
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If you're gonna treat it badly, it will eventually malfunction.
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Yeah, I agree.
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No, I completely agree.
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And whole food, uh you know, protein rich, kind of I'm so boring and repeatable diet-wise.
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It's like that's the only way.
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Yeah.
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Because we're both busy, and I'm just like boring, repeatable diet that I know is yeah, that's good.
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Whip it up, go for it.
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Yeah, and and simple, you know, it doesn't have to be rocket science.
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No.
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Again, something else that I've said a thousand times is if it ran, swam, or grew from the earth, eat it.
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Anything else has been tampered with.
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And I think if you live by that rule, your body will hopefully be getting the nourishment that it needs.
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Yeah.
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You know, to eat where I I think that saying eat less, move more, not necessarily, but eat well, move more is the way forth.
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And I don't know if you get this stress as I know I do.
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You definitely will, right?
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So, like my biggest one of my biggest anxieties is, and it just makes my life difficult.
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I have Grace on a Tuesday, I take her out, take her to a kids' play area, and everywhere I go, there is massive like rocky road cakes, muffins, chocolate cookies, whatever, all at a rhyme line, right?
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Quavers, whatever, not an apple or a banana in sight.
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It's outrageous, right?
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And and it's so difficult because guess what?
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And she's like, I want this, want that, throwing herself on the floor screaming, ruins our day out, ruins my day because I'm trying to be a parent and won't give in to her because I'm trying to parent her correctly.
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Yeah.
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And I honestly feel like this is so stressful.
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What do I do?
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Not take her to these places, these are amazing play areas where she can run, climb, whatever.
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Saying become out of swimming, vending machine, full of shit.
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It drives me insane.
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And something has to change.
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I don't think it will.
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Um look, the powers that be know full well what these foods are doing to us.
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They know that cancer rates and all kinds of diseases are massively on the uprise, especially in young people.
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And that comes from what we are putting into our bodies.
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And as yet, there is not enough changing.
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There are foods available in supermarkets in the UK that are not fit for human consumption, quite frankly.
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They know they are connected to lots of different issues, but people are still giving them to their children.
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And I come back to you know, education being key for parents and for children.
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And I'm like you, and again, you know, my children absolutely do have treats, of course they do.
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But I remember Alfie would, you know, he'd throw a dicky fit because I'd be like, no, I want you to eat fruit.
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I don't want you to be having this processed, ultra-processed food.
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But actually keep the faith because it's come full circle with Alfie.
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Yeah.
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It has.
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And yes, he likes a treat, but he will now go, Mum, have you seen what's in that?
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Not from a weight perspective, not from a calorie perspective, but he's totally now aware of how he feels when he eats certain foods because I've drummed it into him how important it is.
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And he's seen kids around him that will come into school with masses of crap, quite frankly, in their lunch boxes.
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And it's really sad to see because it is, it's connected to all these different problems for physical and mental health.
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And I wish to God that there was more that the government would do about it.
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You know, it's all well and good launching or pushing fat jabs for people, but if that education for food is not there, we're screwed in the long term.
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And this is why I got so annoyed about the full farmers thing.
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I was like, why are you not trying to support farming in every way?
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They're literally the backbone of this country, but also are a white.
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I would actually I've said it loads of times on here, but re try and regenerate farming to the point where we we do not import food or as much food from abroad, support the farmers, great food.
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And I don't know, I just feel like stop trying to I don't know.
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I just was really sad for the farmers when all that happened about them taxing them and attacking the land more.
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And I was like, I just I can't I I feel like we should be trying to regenerate farming in every single way.
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I completely agree.
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It's going back, you know.
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I look at somebody like my great-grandma who was nearly what, nearly 102 when she died, and she ate frugally, she ate from the land, she ate from local allotments, uh farm shops, places like that.
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She would treat herself to a fish and chips on a Friday night, but she just ate whole foods simple.
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She walked everywhere.
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You know, she was still bowling in her late 90s, and and you go, hang on a minute, where have we gone wrong here?
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And it it isn't rocket science.
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We have tampered with the food so much, and we're spraying it with all these chemicals, and nobody's questioning anything.
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And I think it is about going back to that, supporting local farmers, which you know we try and do as a family as well.
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Um because otherwise, you know, we we look forward to the future.
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50 years from now, it's only going to be ten times worse if we don't fix these issues with food and and take things and strip things right back to how they're supposed to be.
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And the maddest thing is we've got the technology as well to be able to be doing this, like in the British Isles, create more jobs, whatever.
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I know Jim, I know James Dyson has come up with this unbelievable machine.
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I don't know if you want to try and have a look at it, JP, uh, because I might be bastardising what he's doing here.
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He's he's come up with this unbelievable machine that's growing strawberries.
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It was unbelievable.
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And I thought, wow, he's figured this out, but he's gonna do it en masse for loads of other fruit and beds and make sure that we're like we're growing it in the British Isles, and then cost comes down, whatever, but they're doing it en masse.
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And then the other thing, there's a place in Liverpool called the Urban Farm.
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So there's loads of disused warehouses and everything all over the country, and the urban farm, this is amazing.
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Uh, because Danny's restaurants, uh, some of them are supplied by the urban farm, so they have a full like circulatory system that they have fish in the water and the fish poo in the water that fertilises this vertical system that goes, like you can grow like cabbages and like lettuces and whatever up the walls in inside buildings, so you don't necessarily need a field because all the nutrients and everything are coming from the fish.
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The fish are having a good time in the water, and it's all a circulatory system that can be done with hydroponically with just light, it's amazing.
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That is incredible.
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Yeah, they're what they're doing is amazing.
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I always think, you know, a big telltale sign when I've been working abroad quite a bit recently, and we would often find ourselves in France in a place called Cherbourg, and they had the most amazing fresh fruit and vegetables.
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And whenever I would I would get off and I would I would buy tomatoes and strawberries and just to snack on.
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And I was like, what are we eating in the UK?
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A lot of the time, not all the time, but in some places, I'm like, they're not strawberries.
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What we're eating are not strawberries.
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No, they're just not good, it's not good quality.
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When he goes to not good quality, food is so good, the tomato.
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Just Europe's because they're not messing with it, they're not messing with it.
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They are supporting local farmers, you know, and it I don't I don't know what went wrong over here, but yeah, I don't know either.
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I remember what's the wildlife guy called Chris Something.
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He posted he was like, Oh my god, this is broken.
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It was like a pineapple that had been grown in one place, packaged in another, delivered over here.
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Oh my god.
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I was like, oh my god, yeah.
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What's what journey has that pineapple been on?
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Used to get on the shelf in Morrison's.
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Better travelled than me.
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Yeah.
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Uh I saw somewhere, oh, I've advent this.
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You and the kids are trying to grow your own bedge.
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Yes, we did.
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Uh I will hold my hands up.
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We haven't done for the past couple of years because I've been away, and I was the one that was kind of really rooting for that.
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But we loved doing it, and it's something that I want to start again.
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So my my dad has an allotment.
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He grows all sorts, he is incredible.
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So we help him with that, and we're really lucky because we do get a lot of veg off him.
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I mean, he's another level.
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I'll be like, wow, dad, you've got rhubarb.
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And he's like, it's three different types of rhubarb, and he'll tell you where each one originated from.
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And but that's just a joy.
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I mean, we were very simple.
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I couldn't grow anything outrageous.
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A couple of strawberries, I've done it.
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Yeah.
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Tomatoes, maybe potatoes, garlic.
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I mean, I I was bad with tomatoes.
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So I get tomatoes from my dad when I can, but I I couldn't grow them.
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It was the one thing that I just couldn't quite.
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But I am going to try again.
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Now I'm back in Manchester.
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I have been gardening, uh stressing me out.
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Stressing me out.
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I mean, thank God for Chat GPT, because I don't know where I'd be.
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Because I've got a gardener.
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He actually commented on my video the other day.
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He was like, uh hello.
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I was like, hello, you're not ever it, you're never in the garden while I'm in the garden because I'm in work when you're there.
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So it's not like you're passing on knowledge to me, is it?
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Yeah.
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I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
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So I'm sat there with Chat GPT open and my spade planting my lupins because I always thought you need to put nutrients in the soil.
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So I'm putting these blood, fish, and guts stuff in it.
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And I was like, and it said, no, don't do that with lupins, it'll make it too acidic.
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I'm like, how am I supposed to know?
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I haven't got anybody who's like passing down knowledge to me.
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Well, if you ever need any, because that's what my dad did.
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He was a bus driver for 12 years and then he became a professional gardener.
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Right.
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Gardener.
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So if you need any tips, just give me a tinkle.
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I'll get Graham onto it.
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Well, Graham, Graham, ask Graham.
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Um, I want to grow some hydrangeas last year.
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What a disaster.
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I'd spent like 500 quid on them and thought, mega, these are gonna make the house look sick.
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And honestly, just went brown and died immediately.
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And I'm like, what the hell have I done wrong here?
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Because I followed the advice, you know, correctly, but someone else was like, you need irrigaceous compost.
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Oh, for God's sake.
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Yeah, I wouldn't have a clue about any of that.
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But it's not easy.
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No, it's not.
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But hats off to you for the case.
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So I can't imagine trying to grow a veg.
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Yeah, I I stick to the easy stuff.
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That's what I've done previously.
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But yeah, it is something that I want to do.
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I'm just trying to get a foxglove to bloom at the moment.
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That's because I grew that from a seed, planted it, and this year, third season in, it's gonna bloom.
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And I was like, God, three years I've been waiting for that bugger.
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But that's the other thing, it teaches you gardening, patience.
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You cannot rush that job.
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Yeah, it it will eventually pay off.
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I look at my mum and dad's gardening.
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I mean, the bed, it's amazing.
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It's insane, it's just so beautiful.
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Um, we're not quite there yet.
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We did, when we had iris, we planted lots of iris bulbs.
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Oh, nice.
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That then grew next door.
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I was fuming under the fence.
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Oh god, yeah.
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Speaking of something that I saw in the news recently, like, where do you stand on sun cream?
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Because this is something I haven't looked into enough for like because I'm always like, I know everyone always asks me this question about what what sun cream do you use?
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I'm like, or do you and there's loads of people who are not using any, especially on their kids.
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Yeah, I've I can I'm like you, I don't I don't feel like I know enough about it.
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I'm a big fan of DeVinia Taylor.
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Yeah.
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Um, and she's no sun cream, isn't she?
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Yeah, and I think her book is incredible.
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I think when she talks about chemicals, it makes total and utter sense.
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I have been using tallow, uh protective tallow cream on the kids, which is factor 50.
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They don't burn, they're completely protected, but there are no nasty chemicals in that.
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And it's been working a dream.
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And I I was advised by a couple of people that that was probably the safest option if I was unsure about chemicals.
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I mean, it's a minefield, and again, I you know, I hold my hands up, I've not researched it enough.
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I mean, I do love a bit of data, but I've not researched it enough to be m to give you a more specific answer.
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But at the moment, I mean, I'm all for the tallow.
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I think tallow is amazing, full stop.
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Well, I sat up one night, I don't know what the hell I was doing, but it was just like I thought of beef tallow or tallow, it was.
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Yeah.
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Deodorant.
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Yes.
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But there's a new um form of d of magnesium that like stops you from sweating.
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Oh wow.
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So it was tallow, magnesium, but also giving you health benefits.
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And obviously, transdermally magnesium is amazing.
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Yeah, I was just gonna say.
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So it was a magnesium-derived deodorant, uh, and it I made it unscented and I hated it.
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No, did it not just take it?
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They had five of them made, and I was like, come on, five people.
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So I sent it to a lady who'd had breast cancer who's a photographer that I know she had it, and I was like, you tell me, because she was really like obsessive about this, um, you tell me if it's any good.
00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.159
So listen, there's an argument, but it's gotta do its job.
00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:26.480
That's I really struggle to find a natural deodorant, and and I'm like you, I train hard.
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It's gotta do the job.
00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.799
So I'm a bit like I go back to Mitchum then.
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So what am I gonna do?
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I know.
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Do you know what I mean?
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At least it's not an airport.
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It's it's it's something uh some of the girls and I were talking about at work the other day.
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Because everyone at work really is trying to make a portion and trying to be more conscious of what we're putting onto our bodies.
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But maybe I get a bigger focus group and see.
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But I was just like, my mum tried it, she tried it, I tried it, and then I've got about four more, I think a few more in the office that I could probably send out to people.
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But because the it's clean as you can get.
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Yeah, but I unfragranced it, and I think that might have been the problem.
00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.480
Maybe I should refragrance it.
00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.159
Maybe I should put fragrance in it.
00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:16.559
I've tried all sorts of natural and I I do think because I've but I've also tried salt and stone, which has scaled like unbelievably about to 100 million.
00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.320
Maybe they've done more than that this year.
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And it's shit.
00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:20.879
Yeah, it didn't work for me.
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Shit.
00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:21.759
It didn't work for it.
00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:26.720
It's literally pretty packaging, and I bought it so it looked good in the back of El Sarr shots, but it's actually a shit product.
00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.120
I've not found one that works yet, unfortunately.
00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.759
Sorry, it's like Sew and Mitch, and we've got to go back to it.
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Yeah.
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Um by the way, I'm sat here as somebody who's like, you know, like I don't get Botox put in my face, but I don't say Yin and Yang.
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Yeah, but it's like how much toxic load are you gonna have?
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:52.799
Well, it's like you know what, I think baby steps, and if you can at least half you know, then that's better than nothing.
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Stop spraying perfume on me now.
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I just put it on my clothes.
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Yes, I will only put it on my clothes.
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Instead of messing direct to skin.
00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.120
Yeah, so everyone gets a whiff of it, but so yeah.
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We're trying.
00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:09.519
Yeah, it was Liz Earl who was going on about the uh no sun cream thing the other day as well.
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And I was like, Yeah, I'm seeing this a lot.
00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:13.279
And Sam Fairs, she also said it.
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She doesn't put it on her kids.
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People that I I really respect and and follow on socials.
00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:30.160
I mean, I'm talking about doctors and you know, extremely clever people who have actually said, Yeah, it's a bit of a chemical shit storm, but there are alternatives available that will protect you, which is what led me.
00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:31.519
Down the tallow roof.
00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:32.559
Yeah, that's interesting.
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I might have a look at that.
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I mean, I fell in love with a sun cream um in I went to Cosmoprop, which is basically this big expo for all the health and beauty, mainly beauty and beauty tools, whatever, beauty tech innovation that's about to come out like the next year, whatever.
00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.759
And this sun cream I fell in love with.
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Two same company, Korean company.
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Um, one was a balm that when you patted it on went to a powder.
00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.480
Uh so it fixed your makeup.
00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:02.880
Oh.
00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:03.440
Mega.
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And it was in this really cool pot that came up like a sharpener, mega.
00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.680
Uh, because you're supposed to reapply sun cream every two hours, right?
00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:12.480
Yeah, definitely.
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I definitely don't do that.
00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.160
And also, it's the fastest way to get rid of your collagen and age, isn't it?
00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.319
So that's why I'm a bit like I think I'm still gonna use it.
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:28.640
But then there was another one that was like this clear, it's like a serum that was amazing.
00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:34.400
So it gave you that like serum look, you know, like dead, shiny, gorgeous skin, but it was some sun cream.
00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.400
And w where were they at with chemicals?
00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.880
Were they oh they're probably loaded with it, yeah.
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This is this is the thing, isn't it?
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It's so frustrating.
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So I think you've got to decide do I want the toxic load or do I want a lot younger?
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Because I think you know, yeah, I don't know what the way around it is.
00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:59.359
But I think if you are making an act, mineral versus normal, people want tinted.
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I don't know.
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There are certain facial products that I use that I am not willing to give up.
00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:05.440
To give up.
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But I absolutely am going hell for leather in all of the departments in terms of what I'm putting on my body.
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I go all natural, you know.
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I'm really trying hard.
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So then I'm like, you know what?
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Me just bobbing that certain ball and all whatever now and again.
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Yeah, no, I agree.
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I completely agree.
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You've got to pick your battles.
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Yes, and you're good in every other way.
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Yeah.
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I'd imagine you're not drinking coke all day.
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Oh, hell no.
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Or smoking or I'm really boring, darling.
00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:36.319
Same.
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I'm so dull, it's painful.
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I am, and I only go out to do work.
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Yeah, no, I I only socialise for work.
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Yeah.
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And you're probably the same, you have to go to events.
00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.920
So you get in that kind of socialising, but yeah, you know you've got to turn up and be Catherine the Telly.
00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.799
It's I I mean, Tom and I have been married now 10 years.
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He's probably only seen me drunk a handful.
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I mean, I'm talking a handful of times.
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It's just, and I am a little bit of a controlled freak.
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I hold my hands up, but I'm always really busy and I'm like, oh, do I want it?
00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:12.799
I can't feel that toxic the next day.
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I can't feel it.
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Well, yeah, why make yourself feel worse?
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The next day.
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I can't handle the hangovers, and kids have no mercy.
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No.
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Iris is more than happy to jump on my head at six o'clock in the morning.
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I did have a blowout with the Corrie Christmas dew.
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I was so ready for that.
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But again, I was just embarrassing.
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I was just like, I had people doing oops up oops upside your head.
00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:33.920
Well, that's good.
00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:34.960
You do need a blowout.
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I was like, Can we do the congo?
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They were like, Oh my god, what is it?
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1982.
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Like, I didn't care, I had a lovely time.
00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.599
So occasionally I'll have a blowout, but generally I'm quite dull.
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No, I am, I'm the same.
00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.319
I'm absolutely the same.
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But you're super busy, you've got so much responsibility.
00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:52.079
Yeah.
00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:52.880
Well, that's it.
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And everyone's like, Oh, you just flat your head down for once.
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And I'm like, you know what?
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I'm close to like really if I lock in now for the next couple of years, completely changing my life and my daughter's life for the rest of our lives.
00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:06.319
So, you know what?
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I'll go and get pissed when I'm 45.
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How about that?
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And is will that keep you happy?
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But even then, I might get to there and think, don't want to.
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Yeah.
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Completely, darling.
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That has always been my mentality.
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There were certain times in my life when my friends were, you know, going out on the lashes.
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I've probably done it.
00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.559
I actually don't need questions today because like I know you are.
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Um but um I don't know why I'm even bothering.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah, like I got pissed in my twenties from like the age of 15, let's be honest, to like 35.
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I was really killing it.
00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:41.200
So I don't really need to.
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.839
And I'll have the odd blowout, but I only really do it if it's me and Danny on our own.
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Marrakesh is my blowout place.
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Oh, really?
00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:49.359
Yeah.
00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.359
I feel like I've just really let my hair down there.
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Because you feel relaxed and relay, yeah.
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Love the vibe.
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It's that real dinner, drinks, party, every single Place you go to, like does dinner shows, like every single restaurant.
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It's the best at the place.
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I've never been placed in the world.
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Okay.
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.000
Yeah.
00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:14.319
Like so and I love it because you can sit and have dinner and have lovely drinks and all the entertainment is around you.
00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:14.799
Great.
00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:15.519
It's amazing.
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:16.640
So you don't need to get up.
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Okay.
00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:18.079
It's honestly.
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We're quite similar, so I would probably love it.
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Yeah.
00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.079
And it's one of those places that's really safe, gorgeous weather, dry heat.
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.839
Oh, so you don't sweat.
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:28.319
Great.
00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:28.640
Yeah.
00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:30.640
So no need for toxic deodorants.
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Hair doesn't frizz.
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No midges or mosquitoes or mosquitoes.
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Right?
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Because you can go to like Spain or whatever, and you go to Samiorca and you get bitten to friggin' death by fleas or whatever.
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:43.440
It is not like that.
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:44.799
It's dry heat.
00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:50.400
It's, I think it's the perfect climate in like spring and October.
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Yeah, like October.
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Amazing.
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You get and then you've got like wealth and poverty right next to each other, but also it's like a feast for the eyes, and everyone's invested in Marrakesh at the moment.
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:10.720
So you've got like Nobu just moved there, Mandarin Oriental, some like loads of places like Beach Clubs and Saint Trepay have set up in there now.
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.240
Like, I mean, it's mega.
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.319
I mean, to be honest, I feel like if their tourism board just put your hair will not frizz here, they're on to a winner.
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:19.519
That's true.
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:20.640
They're on to a winner.
00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:21.599
That is true.
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:22.319
That is true.
00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.079
I honestly feel like buying an apartment there.
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It's like good.
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:25.039
Oh, really?
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:26.240
And you know Jude, don't you?
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Jude C C.
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You must come across Jude.
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I don't think so.
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:31.440
Maybe not.
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She knows everyone we know.
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Oh, really?
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:34.000
Oh, maybe I have to.
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You will.
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You'll know.
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She's got an amazing villa there.
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:37.039
Oh, really?
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.480
See, it's our dream.
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.119
That is our dream to have a little holiday home somewhere.
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.359
It's so you can like I've rented Jude's villa a couple of times now.
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.240
And um, because it's right on a golf course, gorgeous.
00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:48.960
Oh, amazing.
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.039
And uh yeah, it was on Cribs.
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:51.920
Oh, was it?
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:52.559
Wow.
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.160
It's fab, it's fab.
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:55.200
Um, yeah.
00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:03.839
So speaking of uh Corrie, I remember when you left Corrie, you were like, I'm gutted to be leaving, but seven years later you are now back on the cobbles.
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:04.160
Yeah.
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.440
What's it like being back?
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:06.960
It's so surreal.
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.160
It's um it's like I never left.
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:18.319
And you know, a lot of the uh the same people are there, Castan Crew, which is so lovely because I never really I didn't stop talking to anyone, you know.
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.359
Once you've been there for any amount of time, it is like a little family.
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:42.559
And so we always stayed in touch, and um, and I said when I left last time, I will come back when the time is right, and if the storylines are good, and and it's all about timing because they'd asked me a few times previously, and I genuinely couldn't make it work for various reasons.
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:48.559
Um but I it was a really weird, you know, talk about the power of the universe.
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:54.400
I'd been away at the time they called, I think I'd been away for about nine months, a long time.
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:59.519
And I'd been so lucky to work pretty much consistently since some last year.
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.599
I have actually pretty much consistently.
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:08.400
I remember like a couple of you did a couple of tra Channel 5 dramas, which was there was one of spooky one in some house.
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:08.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.839
I can't remember what it was.
00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:11.920
Fifteen Days to Murder, yeah.
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:34.240
And uh Viewpoint and Scarborough, and I've I've had a great time and I've I've loved I've loved my time outside of it, and it's really helped me to grow as a performer and as a person, and I think it's really important as an actor to keep to keep learning and not to get too comfortable.
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.839
Um I love to challenge myself.
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:46.960
So I've had a lovely time and I've done all sorts, and then since I had Iris, I hadn't had any birthdays with her.
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.200
I'd start breastfeeding to go and do a job.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:26:01.039
I tell you what, and I didn't really get how hard this was pre-being a mother, but I remember when you had Iris and then you had to go to Malta for good shit murder, like straight away.
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:02.720
Straight away and I had to leave her.
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.200
I was literally still lactating.
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:06.559
I know it was so hard.
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.720
How long was it after the birth?
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:10.000
Three months.
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:10.880
She was tired.
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:22.559
Yeah, and you all you want to do at that moment is like be with your baby, have that like nice cocoon, and just and I can't imagine genuinely how mentally tough that must have been.
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:35.440
It was tough, and I remember upon landing, going to the supermarket to get some bits for my hotel room, and a baby started crying, and my boobs started producing milk.
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.440
Because I mean your hormones are just white.
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:38.880
I mean, it's incredible.
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.400
And I stood in the corner of the supermarket and I cried.
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:50.559
But I, in the same breath, I felt really sad at that time, but looking back, I don't have any regrets.
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.119
Firstly, I you know, am the main bread earner in our house.
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.839
Tom earns a great living, but I am the bread earner.
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:09.519
COVID had just been and gone, and I I was lucky to work through most of COVID, but you know, we all lost a lot of work, and this opportunity came in and I was like, great, amazing.
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:21.680
Um, and I had a lovely time, but it was very difficult, and there are sacrifices either end of the scale, whether you put family first or whether you put work first.
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:30.720
And we always celebrated Iris' birthday slightly early, so I could be with her, but on the actual day, I haven't been there for the past three years.
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:35.839
So this year I was there when she turned four, and that that was everything to me.
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:43.599
So when Cory phoned, I'd been away for nine months, I'd done two jobs or three jobs in in succession without gaps.
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:48.640
I remember stepping off stage in Manchester doing Bonnie and Clyde.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.559
And I'd said to my agent, I was like, Oh, I'll probably have a few days at home before Malta.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.359
And she was like, No, they can't make the locations work.
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.599
There will be a car outside the theatre ready to take you to the airport.
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.200
And I sat in the back of the car.
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:09.680
My last scene in Bonnie and Clyde was this cry, really heavy crying scene, and I was covered in mascara, and this poor taxi driver was like, Are you woke in?
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.599
I'm like, Yeah, I'm just I'm going to work.
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.359
And I was just all over the place.
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.240
But um, I adore my job.
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.279
I it is a huge part of me.
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.920
It puts such fire in my belly.
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:37.200
And um, the kids they get that it has been hard for them at times, but I mean Alfie now, especially, because he is a budding actor and he is excellent, and he gets it and he's grateful for it.
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.160
And you do what you need to do as you know, somebody that is self-employed.
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:53.440
Um, but when they called, I'd had a chat with Tom, I think it was two days before or the day before, where he was like, Oh babe, gosh, this is this is hard, this has been a long slog.
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.319
He was like, I really hope your next job is in Manchester.
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:05.519
And lo and behold, a day later or whatever, Kate, our brilliant producer, called and said, I'd like you to come back and I'd like you to be landlady.
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.039
And I was like, Oh my days.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.880
This feels like such a gift right now because we were missing being a family massively.
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.440
I was missing Tom, Tom was missing a wife.
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:23.440
I have very poorly relatives at the moment that you know we need to help look after, and I want uh I want that time with them.
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:30.240
Um so it just kind of ticked every box, and I'm truly, truly grateful for that.
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.079
And it is the most gorgeous place.
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.720
I feel like the luckiest girl in the world.
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:40.880
I grew up watching these landladies come and go, thinking, oh my god, that is a dream job.
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:41.279
Yeah.
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.920
How amazing would it be to be landlady of the rovers?
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.960
And I do pinch myself.
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:50.240
I stand in the rovers sometimes going, this isn't real, this is amazing.
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:50.880
Yeah.
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:52.160
And that's brilliant.
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:58.160
I think, well, you said it perfectly, it's a perfect place for you to be, around the corner.
00:29:58.559 --> 00:29:58.880
Yeah.
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:04.400
And sometimes it you've you have been away a lot, and it would be gorgeous to have that spend that time with the kids.
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:05.839
It's everything.
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.079
You just almost feel like it's just a regular job.
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:08.960
Like you know what I mean.
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.839
Yeah, well, it's I suppose it's the nearest thing for an actor.
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.480
I suppose a continuing drama like you know, or a soap is that's the nearest thing you've got to a normal job.
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:31.039
And I mean, don't get me wrong, it's it's manic at times, but I know 90% of the time I've got weekends with the kids, and you know, Alfie's about to go to high school, Iris is about to start school.
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:31.839
High school.
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:32.480
I can't.
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:33.839
Oh my god.
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:35.039
High school.
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:36.240
Terrifying.
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.559
It's I can't believe it's been that long.
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:39.119
I know.
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.359
I think in my head I thought it was like seven.
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:42.319
I know, I know.
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:43.039
Well, I do.
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:50.480
He's still a baby to me, but I'm really grateful that I can be here for those key transitional moments for them.
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:55.440
And he's, you know, he's really excited, he's taking it in his stride, but um it's a big deal.
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:56.160
Yeah, it is, yeah.
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.279
Schools are a big deal.
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:01.359
Oh my god, it's gonna be before you know it, driving.
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:02.079
Mm-hmm.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.799
Yeah, you know, it just goes so fast, and everyone says it, and you're just like, oh my god, how is this happening?
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.640
It's like your life is in fast forward.
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:10.160
I just want to pause.
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.119
I wish I could have paused Grace as a baby for a bit longer.
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:13.279
Yeah.
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.319
For like another year.
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.440
That would have been great.
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.400
I always tell her that.
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:17.759
I'm like, I wish you were still a baby.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:18.480
She went yesterday.
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.240
She went, I'm sorry for growing up.
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.160
Do you know what she said to me yesterday?
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.559
Because Kelly took her to Zog the other day on Saturday morning while I went to the gym.
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.480
And then she got in the car and there was an eyelash on her cheek, so she wished on it.
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.079
And I said, What did you wish for?
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.240
She went, I want to be on stage and I want to be an actor.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.480
I can't do it.
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.759
And I was like, Oh god, I would have had to get a theatre child, wouldn't I?
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.720
Because there's nothing I can I don't even really encourage it.
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.160
It's not like I've got like, you know, that tendency myself.
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.279
It is just inner.
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:54.079
I love this.
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.880
She's just we need to get her and Iris together.
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:02.640
She gets on the coffee table and she says, This is my stage, and then she'll go at it, whatever she's doing.
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:03.680
That's what I do.
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:04.240
Yeah.
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.160
Stand on the coffee table.
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:06.960
I love that.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.680
Oh, that's so you're gonna, are you gonna Bellys?
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:10.559
I can't school.
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.319
Can't hold it, I can't hold her back.
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.599
So I was like, Well, I'll do whatever I can to support you to do it, whatever.
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:26.799
So she already does like dance and acro, and then she does baby ballet, but then I think she's gonna be four to go to Danny was like, let's get her into Lippa, but Lippa's shutting down, don't know why.
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.559
Yeah, in July.
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:29.839
I don't know why.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.880
That's so sad.
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:32.640
Yeah, why is it, JP?
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:37.599
No, what's gonna put his hand in his pocket and keep it open.
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:39.839
Oh, that's made me really sad.
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.920
I know I auditioned at Lippa.
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.640
And then someone else said the Pauline Quirk Academy was quite good.
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.880
Yes, it's got a really good reputation.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:49.359
Yeah.
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.200
Thing is, if it's there, it's there.
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.319
There's no getting away.
00:32:52.640 --> 00:33:03.519
Like Tom had his fingers crossed for like maybe Alpha to be a golfer and Iris to be an accountant would have been great, but they're absolutely Alfie's not stagy, he's like, I want to make film and television.
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.079
Oh, really?
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.359
Because Grace is stage.
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.720
Iris is stagy.
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.079
She like knows Matilda the musical back to front.
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:10.319
Yeah.
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.160
Give me a feather bower, I'm happy.
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.960
But Alfie's like giving Daniel Day Lewis vibes.
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.599
Yeah, he's he's super focused on film and television.
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:31.359
And Daniel DeLewis, I mean, I always use him as a reference to like a celebrity that is like just a great actor, does whatever press he needs to to get the movie out, and he's away again.
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.319
He's not caught in drama, not at all.
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.599
Not I mean he's phenomenal.
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:42.240
Yeah, so mega actor, yeah, loads of Oscars, doesn't like end up in the tabloid.
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:47.680
So you can have that, you can have privacy because he chooses to that to have that kind of life.
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:48.160
Completely.
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:49.119
So it can be done.
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:49.680
Yeah.
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:54.880
Um, but yeah, mega actor, God, I'm just thinking about like there will be blood at the moment.
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.480
Oh, I mean, his I mean his CV is just another level, isn't it?
00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.119
Yeah.
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:08.559
So obviously you're in Cory at the moment, but is there anything like challenging that you would think I'd love to do that, like as an actor performer?
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:10.480
Oh gosh, yeah.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.960
And I there's still loads of things that I would like to do.
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.840
And I I think as long as I feel challenged, I'm happy.
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.440
And I did, I you know, I said that to Cory when I was heading back.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.800
I was like, Am I gonna be busy?
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.000
Am I gonna be challenged?
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.400
Because that's super important to me.
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.119
And again, Kate Brooks was like, absolutely.
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.440
If we're bringing you back, we are using you, we are gonna throw all sorts at you, which is great.
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:35.920
Yeah.
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:41.280
Um there are still little boxes that I would like to tick.
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.280
I mean, I ticked a lot of them when I came out.
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:44.960
I felt I felt like I was really looking.
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.679
I love the variety, I love all aspects of our industry.
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:58.320
I've been lucky enough to do film, television, theatre, radio, and I'm just kind of taking every day as it comes.
00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:58.880
Yeah.
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.159
Um, I mean, who knows what the future holds.
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.239
Corrie might get bored of me in a year's time.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.159
See you doing like, you know, those like Netflix series.
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.639
You know, like your Haaland Corbyn ones.
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:11.760
Oh, they're amazing, aren't you?
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.079
Yeah.
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.519
I mean, I love his books.
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:19.679
So every time every time Michael Shinblock cuts up drums, I mean, they've just done such a stellar job.
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.320
And Michelle's Michelle is killing it.
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.920
She's been well brilliant, but also you're quite comedic.
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:30.239
I mean, in lockdown, um a whole series.
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:30.880
Oh gosh.
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.239
Um what's she called?
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:32.719
Olga.
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:33.280
Olga.
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.159
Yeah.
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.400
So you are quite comedic, and I don't feel like that's explored enough.
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.239
You do a bit in Corey.
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:41.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.480
There is something.
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.280
Yeah, I feel you and Peter Kaye have got some that would be mega the dream.
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:55.519
There is something in development with Olga that we can't talk about too much, but that has been in development for the past couple of years.
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.800
So she is brewing away nicely.
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.440
I do think we'll see Olga again soon.
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:01.920
Okay.
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:03.360
Um, but I love comedy.
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:04.559
My roots were in comedy.
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:05.039
Right.
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.280
But it's when people ask me what I want to do.
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.920
I feel like, you know, at drama school, I thought I was gonna go straight to the RSC because I love Shakespeare.
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:19.679
And then I had a time where, you know, um, when I was doing Scarborough, for example, I was like, oh my god, I'd be happy to just do comedy forever.
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:26.320
This is, you know, we were going home doing Scarborough, and Jason Manford was a lot to do with this because he's hysterically funny.
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:34.400
But I remember going home every night and my entire face felt like it had had a workout because I'd spent the entire day laughing, crying, laughing.
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.800
And I thought, God, there's a lot to be said for that.
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:37.360
Yeah.
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:41.199
But then, you know, I'll do a gritty drama and I'll be like, this is where I'm supposed to be.
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:46.079
This is what so I think for me being challenged is key.
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.880
And I think you know, when you become too comfortable, it's dangerous.
00:36:51.360 --> 00:37:00.400
I always remember Kate Kelly saying to me when I first got my job in Corey, she was like, Treat every scene you do on this job like you are auditioning for something.
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:10.559
I think that is really sound advice because it would be easy to become comfortable, and I can't my job is everything to me.
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.679
And the day that that starts happening is a dangerous day.
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.400
Um I will always give it a hundred and ten percent.
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.440
So I mean, even Tom will say to me, There's been jobs that I've done in the past where he's like, Can you chill your beans, please?
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:28.159
And I'm like, No, yeah, I've got I've if I don't give something 110%, I will beat myself up over it.
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.400
You know, it's a bit like you with your products.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:30.800
Yeah.
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.880
If it's not the best, then what's up?
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.800
You're gonna lie awake at night and going to the street.
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.239
Going, well, I know it could have been better.
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:42.239
Because I know and it will play on your mind, and that's how exact exactly how I feel with with my job.
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:42.559
Yeah.
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.960
I tell you who popped up and I was like, I text uh, you know Quinny, don't you?
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:48.400
Yeah, yeah, he's lovely.
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:54.559
I text I was texting him anyway, and then weirdly enough, I'm watching Landman and I was like, Where do I know this lad from?
00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:01.679
And I was like, Hollyoaks, and because I was already texting him about his baby, I was like, is this lad was this lad in Hollyoaks?
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.199
And he was like, Yeah, that's uh it was his name, Guy something.
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:10.559
No way, but he's gone from Hollyoaks to he was in Oppenheimer.
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.400
Oh wow, and then he's in Lambman as a character now.
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:15.280
Isn't that amazing?
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.679
I know, and I was thinking, God, last time I saw him was a schoolboy.
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.239
Gosh, with a tie on in Hollywood.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:23.360
That's incredible as well.
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:24.480
They're in Oppenheimer.
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:40.960
When you look at the talent that some of the soaps have produced, I mean, one of my old, I think she's an absolute goddess, Sarah Lancashire, Saran Jones, Kate Kelly, yeah, like, and and actually loads of people from Hollyoaks.
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.639
Yes have done incredibly well.
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:43.760
Yeah, Emmett.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.119
Yeah, killing it, killing it, and Claire, his other half.
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.440
They're both just yeah, it's amazing.
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.519
There's some Lucian, what was Ian?
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.960
Oh, uh Emily.
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:54.000
Emily in Paris.
00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:12.800
Yeah, who's great, but I do think because there is there's a snobbery sometimes with certain casting directors, there is a snobbery with having been in a soap, and a lot of the time I think to myself, oh my god, it is such a genre on its own.
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:24.320
And if you I was thanked recently by a director that said to me, Thank God that you have done Kari before because there's not many actresses that could do this schedule without without Keeling over.
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:34.800
And uh there's a lot to be said for that, but I think it it can be such a great place to hone your craft, and a lot of people have done that.
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:44.320
Yeah, I think it's harder when you enter a soap when you're a child, but I think that can be harder, and I think that's when it's really important to maintain your training throughout.
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:52.960
I was really lucky that I'd done quite a lot before I got to Cori, which I think helps, but um gosh, yeah.
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.480
I mean the stamina when it's intense, it is really intense.
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:02.880
And learn all those lines, different scenes, and to try and keep that level and keep yourself in the zone.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.480
It's it's difficult, yeah.
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:12.079
And because you do and you do know everybody on set, and I will, when I've got heavy stuff, the crew know about it because they're like, where's Kath?
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.280
And I've I'll do, I will take myself off to a corner of the studio.
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:21.199
I don't want people talking to me about what they're having for the tea, or no, whereas normally I'll do, I will I will do or Lindsay.
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:31.760
I think it's very difficult to try and if to do a good performance and try and get yourself into that mental capacity where you need to cry, this is a scene, you can't be going, hi guys, yeah, oh bang on.
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.400
But it shows I can see you know, there are some actors in various shows where I'll go, Yeah, they're not, they're not.
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.239
I don't believe a word they're saying.
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.199
Yeah, and that if somebody thought that about me, I would be absolutely mortified.
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:45.679
Yeah.
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.119
It's that you know, fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.039
I want people to believe every word I'm saying, and so you've got to stay in that zone.
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.519
I always remember watching a behind the scenes of Charlie's Theron when she was doing Monster.
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:01.440
Oh, that was just incredible.
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.639
Yeah, well, and like how she's like doing this scene where she's like, gotta kill this fella.
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.880
And like just like what she was like after it, do you know what I mean?
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.199
It was just like stuck so much out of her.
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:14.000
Yeah, it does.
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:20.800
You've really gotta get yours, and also like people like Heath Ledger, he was getting prepared for the Joker and it got so dark.
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.519
He got himself such a dark rabbit hole, hadn't he?
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.679
It's just he couldn't get back out of it.
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:27.679
You have to go to that place.
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:29.519
Yeah, I'd hate to do it.
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.840
I'd hate to do I don't know how you feel, but like I don't know, a psycho killer like role.
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:37.840
It's it's difficult.
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:48.079
You have to when I was doing Viewpoint and I was uh I played a murderer in Viewpoint, I uh I spoke to Sari Taylor a lot who is a psychotherapist.
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.440
Yeah, I sat her on the pod.
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:51.760
And she she is incredible.
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.840
And I was like, I need you to help me understand this woman.
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.360
And and and it's my favourite part of any job is the research.
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.760
And you do fall down a rabbit hole and you have to go there.
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.039
In in my opinion, you know, there are some actors that are like, no, acting is demonstrating.
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.440
I am with Kate Winslow on the fact that it's not a case of acting, you have to be.
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.360
Yeah, you you're not acting, you are being that person.
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.199
I will agree.
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.599
You've got to know the backstory, even if it never comes out on screen, you should like know it.
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.719
Yeah, like where's the the motivation for this person?
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:27.360
Absolutely.
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.599
Otherwise, you don't feel like you're doing your job properly.
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:44.239
I mean, a good ship murder, not quite the same, but I was in touch with a first officer and a captain of a ship, um, Captain Kate McHugh, who does celebrity cruises, who is a bit of a celeb in her own right, actually, incredible following.
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.880
And I was like, what was a what does a day look like for me?
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:48.320
What do you know, what does this mean?
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.440
All the the terminology, every time there was terms, I was like, what is this?
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.519
How would I handle this situation?
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.159
Because that's my job, that's what I need to know.
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:01.519
And I love that part of it, because then I know what my character has done throughout the day.
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:15.920
So, in the same breath, going back to to viewpoint, getting my head round that and going to that place, you do feel exhausted sometimes after a job, but if it's been dark, and I know Saranne Jones has spoken about that before.
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:19.760
I did a job where I had to go to a really, really dark place.
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:25.280
And I remember on rap, once I'd finished filming, I was in my car and I could taste blood in my mouth.
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.239
And I was like, What?
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:32.239
And I had these blood vessels that had burst on the walls of my cheeks, and I looked in the mirror and one had burst in my eyes.
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:33.039
Oh my gosh.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.760
And I I got jumped on a call with one of my best friends, Dr.
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.000
Jean-Kilchantry, and I was like, babe, what?
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.159
And she went, Oh, your your body's gone there.
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.360
This is full on adrenal fatigue because you've been crying for weeks, going to a very dark place.
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:46.639
Crazy, isn't it?
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.960
She was like, Just give yourself some time, detox this character out of your sister.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.519
You need to get going have like a couple of weeks decompress somewhere where like nice.
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:56.239
Well, I did.
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:57.199
I went on a retreat.
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:57.519
Yeah.
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.760
Because I I was like, I was fully aware that.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:09.039
My mind and my body had helped me to deliver this performance, but it had come at a cost, and I needed to fix that, and I did.
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.159
Um, but I mean, I love I I I love that.
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:13.360
I love going to those places.
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:13.920
I love it.
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.760
It's interesting as well when you get a different character.
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:29.360
I was listening to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon on Joe Rogan, and they just filmed the rip, and all the extras in that were all Miami police officers.
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.599
So they could pick up the lingo and see how they worked better.
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:34.320
Do you know what I mean?
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:34.960
It was great.
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:36.320
I watched that recently, yeah.
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:41.199
And so everything stayed really authentic because they were like, Well, how would you do this in this situation?
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:42.159
How would you hold a gun?
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:43.440
How would you do what I mean?
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.280
So the performance is ten times better.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.960
You have to do it.
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.159
And it I got the thing that you can't just switch it off.
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:51.599
No, no.
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:51.920
No.
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:59.440
If the you know, the odd occasion when I'm working with an actor who has absolutely not read the script, that to me Does that happen often?
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:00.000
Yeah.
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.159
Or like not often, but it yeah.
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.239
Or probably doesn't know it, and then you're like, your scene's gonna take ages because they don't know it.
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:14.559
Yeah, there's occasions, of course, of course there is, where you go, wow, they don't know where they've been, they don't know where they're going, they don't know what their objective is in the scene.
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.960
And um that to me is just really disrespectful.
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.480
Yeah, to everyone, cast to everyone, completely.
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:24.559
You're not gonna get home on time now.
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:25.440
Yeah, completely.
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.480
Even even, you know, uh simple things as well, like being on time at drama school.
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.880
If we were late, you're out of the room.
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.840
That that's I mean, I'm I am never late.
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.119
I am embarrassingly early.
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:38.719
You were you were earlier than me today.
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:40.719
It's embarrassing, it's an issue.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.079
No, but that's brilliant.
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.039
I have to drive around the block, but I cannot cope with the anxiety of being late.
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:45.920
Being late, yeah.
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:46.559
I just can't.
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:47.599
I hate being late.
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:47.920
Yeah.
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.360
Yeah, I hate it.
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.960
I'm usually on time.
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.119
I'm never early, but I'm on time.
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:54.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.000
We were talking before the podcast.
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:57.599
I was like, save it for the podcast.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.559
Uh how um how has it changed?
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.920
Like in the last 10 years, everything has changed, hasn't it?
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:04.719
Yeah, massively.
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:06.559
Streaming services have come in.
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.760
And is that a benefit for the industry or worse?
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:11.760
How's AI changing everything?
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.360
People struggling to find work.
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:14.880
What how what's going on?
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.239
It's worse.
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.159
The you know, the golden age of television, certainly terrestrial TV, is gone.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:22.639
Yeah.
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.880
Because the way we watch telly now, everyone is streaming everything.
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.960
You've suddenly got these vertical shorts that are like two minutes long.
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.760
People's attention spans are much shorter.
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:41.760
This next generation, the swipe along generation, as I call it, a lot of them that is what they want.
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:49.920
And that is how their brain is trained because of what they're consuming on social media, which to me, in my humble opinion, it makes me really sad.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:47:01.039
Um because I would love to keep investing uh time in, you know, great dramas and and you know, and cin cinema, of course, people are still going to watch films, etc.
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.079
But television has changed dramatically.
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:19.119
And I have been so lucky to keep working because I have got friends with uh you know, who've done way more than I have who have got incredible profiles of really well-known actors who haven't worked for a year.
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:19.760
Yeah.
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:27.440
Because you've now got movie stars doing Netflix series and everything's kind of moved down.
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:33.119
You've got movie stars doing, you know, uh series on ITV, BBC, etc.
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:43.519
So it's there's I think I read recently there's 80% less television being made now than there was in 2008.
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.840
Because I would thought with streaming services, I know more's getting made, but it's not.
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:49.199
Also, it's the expense.
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.360
So there's so much being filmed abroad now.
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:56.159
I mean, this country is bonkers to to do anything over here is so expensive.
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.320
Well, also, electricity is too expensive as well, are the UK's the worst in all the world.
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.800
And obviously, we now have the funding with the there's the the government scheme now towards independent film, you know.
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.360
We followed on from Ireland, and that's that's quite exciting.
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:23.119
I think in terms of my industry, that is the next thing to flourish, and that's that's very much where I'm focusing as a writer is that towards independent film because that's where the funding is.
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.280
But it's it's changed massively.
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:38.000
I think that's the most heartbreaking thing is when I'm speaking to friends, uh producers, directors, actors across the board, people who've led I am talking Stella careers that are going, I cannot get arrested.
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:39.440
I can't get a job at the moment.
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.360
And that's the thing, like you've got to pay mortgage.
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:45.440
Everyone's diversifying.
00:48:46.239 --> 00:49:00.000
So I've got a lot of friends that are finding other pathways, finding different ways to make money, um setting up new businesses, and and it listen, I think that's really sensible, regardless.
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.480
Therefore, you know, we were always taught that strings to your bow.
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:04.719
Yeah.
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.360
I mean, you know I was really all your eggs in one basket.
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.079
Completely.
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:09.840
I was really lucky that I could sing.
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.440
So in between, you know, back in the day, in between auditions, I was doing the work in men's clubs and and things like that.
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.760
That was my bread and butter, really, before Telly took off.
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:21.760
But it is sad.
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:30.559
I worked with a director recently whom I greatly respect, has done all sorts, spent years in LA, big films, can't work.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.079
There's no way it is, isn't it?
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:33.039
It's yeah.
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.360
And I don't know where it goes from here, really.
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.760
I I'd like to think socials.
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:45.840
I'm honestly thinking, right, you've got a Stella Career who because I'm watching every brand become a TV show online as well.
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.679
So, and I think people are just consuming content in different ways.
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:50.800
So you're probably right.
00:49:51.039 --> 00:50:02.559
It is those vertical shorts, it is those like you know, if he's as good as he is at directing, then yeah, just think about it in a different way because people are consuming entertainment in different ways now.
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:03.280
Completely.
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.679
I think the the one positive that is happening at the moment is the growth of theatre.
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.360
Theatre is more popular than it has been in years.
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:17.679
That's not to say that I do think theatre tickets are now ludicrously expensive.
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.000
Paddington,$3.50 a time.
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:32.400
Yeah, stranger things, and and incredible shows, and absolutely when I say doing theatre is like being an athlete, that is an understatement.
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.960
It's incredible what these people are doing, and they deserve to be paid extremely handsomely.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.800
I always ask Kelly this question.
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.159
So we go to the theatre, and what did we see recently?
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.239
We went to see Helen Flanagan in uh Shape of Water.
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:47.360
Oh, right, yes.
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:54.000
And like, so I'm chatting to Kelly, I was like, So how much do you reckon these actors, you know, the ones that are getting every single night?
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:55.360
She's like a couple hundred quid.
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.079
I was like, how depends where you are?
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.199
Well, yeah, this was like in the everyman in Liverpool.
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:02.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:15.679
It's I I the so the rates that um actors are paid for certain things and certain certain aspects of our industry haven't changed in the last 15 to 20 years.
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.599
So, like the money you might get for accommodation if you're doing a theatre tour.
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:25.360
You're sort of like there are there are people that I was chatting to, and I'm like, where do they want you to stay?
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:32.800
Yeah, and they're and they're like, Yeah, they've not changed the minimum for and so that things like that need to improve.
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:43.760
There's no protection sometimes for theatre actors if a show is dropped, for example, people may have let their flats out, or you know, they've got families to support and they're left high and dry.
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.199
And so it's a very precarious industry.
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.599
It always has been, but it's worse than ever, I would say.
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.880
Yeah, but people are really enjoying theatre at the moment.
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.239
I think it might boom.
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.199
I also I know AI's coming and we're all using it and we all love it, whatever.
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:06.880
But actually, I saw something today on I don't know what it was, BOF, business of finance or something.
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.679
They were saying that in real life is about to explode.
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:10.320
Okay.
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.559
So, because people will crave in real life community events.
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.440
They were talking about brand executions and stuff like that, like in real life, get your community together, whatever.
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:30.719
But I I do feel like there is gonna be, you know, people are people and they want community, they want to want connection, they do, they need that connection, which is why I think theatres really got a boost.
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:32.159
And I think it might boom.
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.800
I hope I hope so.
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.039
And hopefully the pay will get better for theatres and yeah.
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:45.599
I mean, I I love this industry, and it's sometimes when I'm seeing my friends crafting like that.
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.719
Like you've you couldn't even imagine working insane hours, and I'm going, What?
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:58.079
You know, you it's it it's there are certain things that have to change, and and as an industry, we are fighting for those changes.
00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:58.719
We have to.
00:52:58.880 --> 00:52:59.039
Yeah.
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.599
And also, I feel like you've got to keep your celebrity high.
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:18.000
Let's say, take you as an example, your inquiry, whatever, you then have to keep the forefront of the media because there is an argument for well, we want her in that show because everybody knows her, so they're gonna watch it if she's in it.
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:25.519
But so you've got to there's the pressure to keep your almost like personal life high, uh, you know, in between jobs.
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:34.000
Maybe I think everyone has their own level of what they're willing to talk about, how much they're willing to share.
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:42.000
There are some people that will share everything that they do, they're you know, they've got YouTube channels that I feel really uncomfortable with that.
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:48.159
And I think it's sometimes dangerous for an actor to share too much.
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:53.840
I think there's there's a happy medium sometimes, but you are absolutely right.
00:53:54.000 --> 00:54:06.559
Uh at especially at the moment, a lot of the castings, if somebody uh isn't well known, and then you've got somebody that can do the job equally as well, but they have a profile, it's absolutely going to that person.
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:15.039
I remember doing an audition, gosh, I mean this is going back now, maybe seven or eight years ago, um, for a film.
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:28.000
And I don't want to reveal it too much, but there were two young girls sort of around between 10 and 12 that were up for this lead role, and I was up for sort of co-star.
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:36.960
And these two girls auditioned, and one of them was breathtakingly good, insanely good, and one of them was alright.
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.039
And I said to the casting director afterwards, I said, regardless of what happens to me, you've got to cast that girl.
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.480
And she went, but I don't think she will because the other girl's got like 11 million followers.
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.320
And I was like, But the other she's not a patch, she's not a patch.
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.679
So there's that, and but then people need to sell.
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:02.000
Of course, you've got to sell tickets, you've got to sell, you've got to make people watch it, whatever it is, you you understand.
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:03.280
And I know I get it.
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:08.239
A lot of a lot of people go, Oh, you know, there are some actors going, I'm bored of seeing the same faces.
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:15.679
It depends on which faces they are, because to me, there are certain actors, I will absolutely watch something if they're in it.
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.239
Sheridan Smith works like a trooper, yeah, outstanding in every aspect.
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.679
I've I've seen a film, television, theatre, she brings it every time.
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.199
So if she's in something, I'm watching it.
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:25.920
She's watching it.
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.760
Yeah, and that you've you know, people and she's so versatile.
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.519
Yeah, no, I agree.
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.880
Maybe then, as an actor, as good as people are, they've got to understand you're also a commodity.
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:37.199
Yeah.
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:38.800
Sorry, you've got to market yourself.
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:39.039
Yeah.
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:39.920
I always say that.
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.280
So I'm like, um that look at the fucking Kardashians.
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:44.639
Chris Jenner knows what she's doing.
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.719
She knows she has to market those girls, and that is her job.
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:54.320
And if you bring talent with marketing mentality, that is dream.
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:56.239
You're gonna get books on jobs, sorry.
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:57.920
But I know I really feel that's the advice.
00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:58.480
That'd be good.
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.400
Grace, it's a good job you've got me.
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:01.440
Mama Jo.
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.519
I think it's a really good point, darling.
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:11.199
And I think, you know, I I do think it it is becoming more and more, and I'm not that media savvy.
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.960
I'm, you know, there are I mean, there's a lot of events.
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.960
Again, I'm too boring.
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.519
There's a lot of events that, you know, people will say, Kath, you should really go.
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.920
And I'm like, uh, I know, but you know, Tom was gonna do a barbecue at home.
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:36.159
We were gonna go have a film night, and we were gonna do there's a there's an extent to which I'm like, look, I give it my all when I'm doing tele and film and theatre, but there's that side of it.
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.480
I probably need to be better up to everything.
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:40.800
And the thing is, people don't see it's the stuff around it, right?
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.480
So you've got to then get childcare, you've then gotta go and get your hair done, your makeup done.
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.960
You have to be interested in it, otherwise, I can't do it.
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:48.719
I can't do it.
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:55.280
I've I think I'm I'm you know too old now to it's the networking situation.
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:57.840
Are there people there that I just I can't fake it?
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.519
No, I can't fake it.
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.599
I feel like so with you.
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.880
I'm just like, no, like there's loads of e I must get invited to e-commerce stuff all the time.
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:12.719
And I'm just like, no, I'm not sitting in a room of geeks with trying to sell me tech, and then just what?
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:14.320
Oh, just a load of other brands.
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.639
I'm just honestly, I'm not leaving the house.
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.280
I've I've done it all, I'm not doing it again.
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:20.559
I'm at that level now.
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.280
I'm like, no, it's got to be amazing for me to waste a blow dry and leave the house.
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:25.840
So true.
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:32.400
And also because I book a driver, this is a guilty habit of mine, but I feel like I don't spend money in other areas because I'll never go out.
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:38.239
So when I do do anything, like I book a driver who's expensive, obviously, more than a Uber would be.
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:38.559
Yeah.
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.400
Because he has to sit outside and wait for me.
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.719
So he can be waiting outside four or five hours.
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:43.119
Yeah.
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:44.400
But I'm like, no, I'm not.
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:48.880
I want a nice car with Wi-Fi that can take me there with stars in the roof.
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:49.760
Yeah.
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.039
And wait outside and pick me up.
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:53.360
Yeah.
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.320
I'm not, or you know, so it can get like that sometimes.
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.880
But there was an event I was supposed to go to last week and I just had anxiety for some reason.
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:01.760
I was ready.
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.519
My hair was done, makeup was on, fake time was on, everything.
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.159
I was like, something's stopping me.
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:09.039
I'm not going.
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:10.719
I think you've got to listen to that.
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.239
I know, and I just thought, I'm not going.
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.559
If something doesn't feel right, I am getting much better at going, no.
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:24.880
If I know there is an event or a networking situation, I now think to myself, do that people in that room light me up?
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:26.000
Is that my tribe?
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.760
Is that my creative tribe?
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.480
And that will then I'll, yeah, I want to go.
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.400
I want to, I want to see what those people are up to.
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.519
I want to feel motivated and inspired.
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:48.000
If it's a an event that is, you know, all about the show, all about being showy and um, you know, just bobbing a face on for the sake of, I'm like, no, I can't.
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.880
No, you've got to protect yourself in those situations.
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:52.960
Yeah, you've got to protect your peace at times.
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.880
And um, yeah, sometimes I think he's the juice worth the squeeze.
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.199
I I get invited to stuff in London all the time.
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.159
You must feel this.
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.760
But how expensive is it to go to London, right?
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.960
I'm in for a grand get me started on train tickets.
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.800
Train tickets, well, I have a right cancelled.
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:18.239
Cancelled, a van to take the piss, and they've got the monopoly on that line, so we can't go anywhere else.
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:25.760
And because plans dip and change, you know, I'm here fly by seating my pants, I'm only booking it on the day I go.
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.960
So it's yeah, 190 quid.
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:34.639
Then I want to up I want to upgrade because I can't be asked with everyone or sitting on the floor, yeah.
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:39.840
Which is I guess then it's nothing, and they've put the upgrade up to 50 quid now.
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:41.920
And I'm like, this is a scandal.
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:50.719
And then some then the the air con was broke, and then the one time I was on it, they turned standard prem into first class.
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.079
I meant this is now first class.
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.320
If you want to stay in your seat or sit on the floor, you will you'll have to pay first class.
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.159
So I was like, Well, I'm fucking obviously staying.
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:03.199
So there you go, and I've got some money back off them, but just make it up as they go along, yeah.
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.440
Yeah, I honestly, this is another thing I would do if I was in power.
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.360
Sort the trains out.
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:16.079
I I actually think they run okay, whatever, but the interior of the train could be a better experience.
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.039
So better seats, better interiors.
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.360
Just put fucking a Wi-Fi on for a stock.
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.440
You're charging 300 quid for a sandwich.
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:30.000
And if you if you did gonna charge that, just give me Wi-Fi and make it pleasant so I could actually work for those two hours.
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:31.119
You can't get on the Wi-Fi.
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:32.239
Can't the Wi-Fi doesn't work.
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:33.119
It's impossible.
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.519
But there's something else that I've noticed, and I don't know whether it's just me having bad balance.
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.800
Just put down straight tracks.
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.800
If you're really whether you're gonna bother away on a train, yeah.
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.079
It's like you're all over the show, aren't you?
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.679
Like, yeah, I'm like, how in this day and age can we not get trains?
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:58.000
Well, you can because China do it, they make bullet trains that can get you from one side of China to the other in four hours.
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.679
As I went on one, it was just supersonic, it was unbelievable.
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:03.360
Super smooth, amazing.
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:07.840
I'm thinking they've built an actual train that goes under the sea to the whole to France.
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:09.119
That's crazy.
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:12.000
Like just just make the experience better, I think.
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:13.599
For that, for that type of money.
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:14.079
Money.
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:14.480
Yeah.
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.320
I'd rather I'd pay a little bit more.
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:16.639
Yeah.
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.400
If if I had solid Wi-Fi, solid interiors, great selection in the shop.
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.480
But because they don't need to, because they've got the monopoly.
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:26.960
Yeah.
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.559
Hope you're listening, Avancy.
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:29.760
I can't bear you.
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.480
I'm clipping this off and putting it out.
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:33.679
Brilliant.
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.159
The other thing I think as well, we're both women of a certain age.
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:39.760
Uh we're in our 40s.
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:41.760
Do you are you feeling that pressure?
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:54.559
We see a lot of actresses and things like that, and there's always BBC scandals of you know, newsreaders getting female newsreaders when they hit a certain age, they lose their job and a lot of ageism and things like that.
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.360
Is that a real thing that women feel in the industry?
01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.039
For sure, it's a thing.
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:15.519
I I've got a lot of friends who are kind of more towards 50, who have all actually, without exception, said, Oh dear, suddenly things have gone really quiet and they do they feel unseen.
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:23.119
It's I do think it's a thing, and I think there is a pressure.
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:29.519
There's con I mean there's constantly a pressure on women, full stop to look a certain way.
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:34.320
I don't even get me started on red carpets at the minute with uh every man and his dog doing the jab.
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:35.119
Yeah.
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:41.119
It's it's really and and and don't get me wrong, I think there are some people who absolutely benefit from them.
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.320
But I think it's just another thing, yeah, another pressure.
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:56.320
And I do think uh the aging side of things has always been I mean, there's people now having facelifts at like 28.
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:57.039
I know.
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:58.559
And I'm like, what's going on, guys?
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.159
It's like suddenly the world isn't allowed to age.
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:19.760
And listen, I each to their own, if surgery makes you feel better, it you know, what whatever tweakments I I'm all for making yourself feel better, feel confident, and feel like you are living in in your truth, you are being the real you.
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:27.199
But I think that pressure now, I think I think we have a responsibility as women.
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:32.719
Um, and I think you know, if you do have a voice, you've got a responsibility.
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:40.000
I've got two kids and I'm very much aware of what they're growing up around and what they're seeing.
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:46.079
I am constantly praising my body in front of Iris, even if I don't feel that way.
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.559
Because I, you know, I do struggle.
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.920
There are days when I'm like, oh God, this looks terrible and this feels awful.
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:53.519
How you feel like that?
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:56.320
You're literally like your physique is amazing.
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.400
I always use you as like a barometer.
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:04.400
You've got the tiniest waist, I don't know where you put your organs, fantastic boobs, great shape.
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:07.679
You're literally like the most like a goatier bottle.
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:08.800
Oh, thank you.
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:17.360
I think this is exactly the same about you, but we all we all have our we all have our hang-ups, and I'm I am really determined, you know, with the kids.
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:22.159
So, for example, you know, Tom and I are avid gym goers, it's very important to us.
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:29.119
Like the other day, I said, Well, mummy's going for a swim, and I always went, Oh, and I went, No, it's great, because mummy's so strong.
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.079
But I say the same, and my mummy's just going really strong.
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:32.320
Yeah.
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.239
So I can be big and strong and still lift you up.
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.039
And then when I get back, I'll be like, Mummy did her fastest ever today.
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:50.000
Mummy swam a mile, and I did it faster than last time, and I did it, and I'm constantly, you know, drumming that into them that you know, it's all about strength and it's all about how you feel from the inside 100%.
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:56.079
Because if we don't do that again, where is this next generation going?
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:01.519
Yeah, it's really good that she's seeing you working out and like we do yoga, Elsa yoga.
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:02.800
Like that.
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.719
Yeah, it's got she loves yoga, she gets the yoga mats out.
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:08.480
I didn't know there was an Elsa yoga.
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.639
Oh, Elsa yoga, get it on YouTube, yeah.
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:11.360
Oh my god.
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.199
It's the only thing she's allowed to watch on YouTube.
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.280
I turned that off after about 18 months because she was going deranged.
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:18.880
Yeah, completely agree.
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.559
Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it?
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.840
And I just I'm I'm really worried for when she gets a bit older and it's like the phone situation.
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:28.000
It's very difficult.
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:28.880
Alfie.
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:30.960
How old's Alfie now?
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:32.079
Alfie's 11.
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:33.199
All of his friends.
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:34.079
All got phones.
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:35.360
They've all got phones.
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:47.840
Alfie has a phone that we give him if he's not with us with us, if he wants to go and stay overnight at his friend's house or he's going to a party and they're all going bold or whatever.
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:48.800
Yeah, there's the ball.
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:49.760
And he's got a tracker.
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.639
He's tracked up to the balls.
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.360
I'm literally I've turned into a spy.
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:57.440
We've got every safety thing going on.
01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:58.800
He's not allowed on socials.
01:05:59.119 --> 01:05:59.760
We are quite strong.
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:02.239
With it, but it's protection.
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:07.280
I think we were the last generation to grow up without a phone, and I thank God for that.
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:08.800
I thank God for that.
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:15.039
You know, the only pressures we had were, you know, the magazines, sugar, bliss, cosmo, whatever.
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.079
Um, but the fact that they're growing, I I wish I could raise my kids in the 90s.
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:20.800
I keep saying that.
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:22.079
I know.
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.679
Whether just watching like S Club 7 on MTV.
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:26.880
MTV's gone.
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:28.880
Life was so much easier back then.
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.760
Going playing out, yeah, knocking on doors.
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:32.079
Yeah.
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:34.079
You just play out all day.
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.840
Yeah, it is sad, isn't it?
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:36.559
It really is.
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:37.199
Hopefully.
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:41.519
I'm building an extension on Grace's Wendy House because she's she is like Mrs.
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:42.559
Wooden Toy.
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:43.920
She's only a lot of wooden toy.
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:44.480
I love that.
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:45.280
I love that.
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:47.039
Dolly's, you know.
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.679
She said this morning though, she's going, Mum, when I'm taller, can I have a phone?
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.480
I went, Yeah, but when you're about 30, yeah.
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:57.840
She's like, Because I totally agree.
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.480
Please ban social media in this country until 16.
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:00.880
Yeah.
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.840
Oh, I'm fully behind that documentary swiped with um Matt and Emma Willis.
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:06.960
I haven't watched that yet.
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:08.559
Oh, darling, it's fascinating.
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:09.199
It's brilliant.
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.719
Everybody should watch it.
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:21.679
And it's uh, you know, and it's science-based and it's factual, and and the data, how anybody can watch that and go, it's rubbish, you know, we're just starting phones.
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:22.880
I think there's your phone.
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:28.000
I watched like this, there was like this meme that was like, Oh, we've loved getting to know you for the first six years of your life.
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:28.880
There's your iPad.
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:30.639
But that's how it is.
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:36.320
And you've got these schools now that are or certainly are doing trial periods of no phones.
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:44.159
There are children that they thought may have been had a certain level of level of autism, for example, because they couldn't give eye contact.
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:58.400
And they're now learning that was actually because that child is exposed to six hours of phone use a day or iPad use a day, and they they can't they're not on the spectrum per se, but they don't know how to socialise, they don't know how to give eye.
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:07.519
Now that is terrifying, that is completely heartbreaking, and I'm sorry as parents, it is our responsibility.
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:14.800
If you are giving your child a phone or iPad for six hours a day, that is to me, it's insanity.
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.359
Yeah, no, we are I'm so against it.
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:18.800
She doesn't have any screen time.
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:22.720
The only time she's allowed to watch an iPad is on a flight, that's it.
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:24.399
She knows it's just for a flight.
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:34.640
And then, and I'm not being like all fucking self-righteous here, but I just know I'd rather go through the pain of knowing not having it because what you're doing, you're letting Pandora out of the box here.
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:34.880
Yeah.
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:36.319
Because it's so addictive.
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.039
These companies have made these products so addictive.
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.760
You have you would not got a chance against it.
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:42.159
Yeah.
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:45.760
You're up again, even Steve Jobs said he would never give his kids an iPad.
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.000
No, I I think I mean, we're the same.
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:52.720
Alfie, he loves, you know, watching his shorts and um catching up with the football.
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:54.720
Corrie, obviously.
01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:00.720
Um, he is allowed a certain amount of time in the evening once he's done his homework and everything else.
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:03.680
That that that's his time, and then the rest of the time we're really strict.
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:05.359
And he does moan at us, of course he does.
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:08.960
Of course they're gonna push that boundary, but yeah, you've got to hold the line.
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:13.439
And I hope I do think he's he is he's at that age where he he gets it.
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.680
And he we allowed him to watch Swiped, we also allowed him to watch Adolescence.
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:24.399
Yeah, and what was really interesting for me is that Alfie was picking he was going, Oh yeah, yeah, there's there's I know boys like that.
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:26.960
And I know that and I what about the manosphere?
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:27.920
Has he watched that?
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:30.880
He's not watched that yet, but would he haven't watched that yet?
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:36.159
I I need to watch that first before um before I can give an opinion on that.
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:46.079
But there are there were lots of things that he picked up on uh with swiped, especially, but he was like, Yeah, yeah, I've seen that and this, and I was like, Oh my days.
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:54.720
But he'd he'd seen certain behavioural patterns in you know, people that are at the same school as him, and you go, gosh, that that is the world they made.
01:09:55.039 --> 01:10:02.479
I feel like I need the mums need to come together in the friendship group and be that force we have to do it.
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:03.680
We have to do it together.
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:08.880
So there's my friend, interestingly, she's in a little place called Overton, it's in Basingstoke.
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:15.039
Yeah, and the mums at the school, you know, Jonathan Hallett, who did what's it called?
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:15.680
The book.
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:21.199
I can't remember, but um, he's literally like it's so in demand at the moment.
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.760
He's the one pushing the agenda about do not give them a phone, don't give them an iPad, blah blah blah.
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:26.960
Can't remember what it was called.
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:29.520
JP will tell me in a minute.
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.920
The book was fabulous, anyway.
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.159
Uh yeah, brain fog.
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.399
Anyway, so it was called like the Unsomething Generation, I don't know.
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:39.119
Yes.
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:53.119
Anyway, he did a call with these mums in Basingstoke and was like he did make a like a little Zoom call with them, and then all the mums of the school got together and decided that the yes, as a blanket, they are not gonna give the kids phones.
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:54.720
That's so good.
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:56.479
But it takes everyone to do it.
01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:56.960
It does.
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.720
So then the kids aren't asking because the mates haven't got it either.
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.760
But I just can't see I can't see how don't get me wrong, I'm like you, I'm not being self-righteous.
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:11.359
Are there times when Iris is driving me mad on a flight or whatever, and I've gone, please just play a game on your iPad?
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:14.079
But I just think we need to be extremely careful.
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:18.399
Yeah, it's the it's the overconsumption of it, it's all of it.
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.119
And I'm an adult and I find it difficult.
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:23.119
Oh, I find it really difficult.
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:28.720
Everything's when we go on holiday or even at weekends, I'll go, Tom, have you got your phone on you?
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.000
Because I'm not taking mine.
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:30.479
Yeah.
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.960
I'll know that Tom's got his for emergencies.
01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:35.279
It's on loud, end of situation.
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:35.600
Yeah.
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.399
Because I get to the point where I want to throw it out of the window.
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:38.800
Yeah.
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:44.239
Well, I just get pissed off every night when I'm just hearing, do you know what I mean?
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.920
Fucking turn your what are you doing?
01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:49.760
Turn your sound off is all I see.
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:58.880
Tom laughs at me because if I if I am doom scrolling, he's like, oh my god, your feed is literally just food, puppies, and babies.
01:11:59.039 --> 01:11:59.520
I love that.
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:04.239
I'm like, oh and I I will then every recipe that I'll come across.
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:06.479
I keep sending to Tom, I'm like, can you make this, please?
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:06.720
Yeah.
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:07.840
Can you make this, please?
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.960
Mine is my algorithm knows.
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:11.840
Fuck.
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:16.399
It must have, I don't know what Mesa thinks of me, but it knows I'm like a top spender on clothes.
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.800
Like my addiction is I haven't got any other addictions, no vices, nothing.
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:23.840
You know, chocolate, I can look at, leave it, wouldn't be arsed.
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:29.680
Yeah, you know, gambling, nothing, alcohol, smoke, no vices, but shopping.
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:30.399
But shopping.
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:31.439
Fucking love it.
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:33.119
That's where I get my dopamine from.
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:34.000
See, I get it.
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:34.720
I get it.
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:36.399
I'm like, honestly.
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.359
And then as soon as I bought it, I'm like, yeah.
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.479
Well, there you go.
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.039
Forgot it.
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:43.039
I need to see like parcels arriving.
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:44.159
Oh, oh.
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:45.760
The parcel stitch.
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:50.720
When I'm working away from home, Tom will send me pictures and go, Are you taking the pee?
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.880
What just got gifted?
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:55.760
But you see, I'm I'm I love vintage as well.
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.600
I'm such a it doesn't matter where it comes from, it can be eBay.
01:12:59.680 --> 01:12:59.840
Yeah.
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:01.920
So I'm not, it's not like the price of it.
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.399
It doesn't have to be like, you know, a net a porter.
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.359
It can be, you know, a Ralph Lorenzo that I've bought on eBay that's seven quid.
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:11.600
Well, if you see something, this is the thing though.
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:16.000
If you're not you're not going crazy having nights out, I ought this is what I say to Tom.
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:21.520
I'm like, I will have that vintage dress and I will spend money, especially on my health.
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:22.079
Same.
01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:26.239
I had my genetics done recently and it absolutely blew my mind.
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.560
No, with health 10, it's a part of revive, and it blew my mind.
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:31.600
Yeah, minded.
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.479
Just to, I mean, I wish everybody could do it.
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.119
Can you imagine the amount of money we'd save the NHS?
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.920
Um, just to get that intricacy.
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:51.199
In fact, when you were saying then about addictions, like all those things that they it was when they broke it down for me, they was like, You've got no addictive genes, you'd be highly unlikely to become addicted to alcohol or drugs.
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:52.319
Are you sure?
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:57.520
Because me and Dark Chocolate have quite an intense relationship, but it was fascinating.
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:05.039
I want a DEXA scan, yeah, to do my VO2 Max, and if anyone's listening, uh MRI.
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:06.720
Yes, I want to do those.
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.600
Yeah, there's a clinic in London that my friends.
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:10.319
I've seen that.
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.239
I think Sally Dineda did that, yeah.
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:12.880
Yeah.
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:14.720
Phoenix something.
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:20.079
That because I want to get my boobs done because I'm thinking the boobs are a bit old now, maybe should get them checked.
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.680
Yeah, I think it's well, I had all my moles done recently as well.
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:30.800
Because back in the day, idiot over here wouldn't put anything on other than like oh caroton oil.
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:32.960
Ridiculous Yeah, oil.
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:40.319
And so I I do, I just think, especially when you have kids and you're probably the same, yeah, I need to be around for as long as possible.
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:40.800
Yeah.
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:46.560
So that's well, the thing I think about need to be around as long as possible is my bone health, my bone density.
01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:48.000
That's why we've got our weight train.
01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:48.800
You've got to go away.
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:51.279
We have to, it's so key.
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:51.760
Yeah.
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.079
Speaking of weight training, we both go to the same gym.
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.319
I always see you on the TV cooking.
01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:01.520
Every time I'm doing my salad place.
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:04.640
I just I don't train, I'm not a nice person.
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:06.239
I'm really grumpy.
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:06.640
I know.
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:08.960
Three or four days is the longest I can go.
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:12.399
And then Tom's like, we just throw some heavy stuff around, please, because you're a nightmare.
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:13.359
No, it is good.
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:21.359
And I like UP because I go in there, it's dead professional, I'm busy all day having to make decisions, and I go in there and I just follow an instruction.
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:23.039
And just take and they know that.
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:24.560
I can take my brain out.
01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:24.880
Yeah.
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:26.159
And they know what I want.
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.640
They know I don't want traps, they know I don't want to look big.
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:35.760
There's no point me doing lats or like loads of lats anyway, because they know I want sculpted arms, they know I want great legs and function.
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:37.520
And you do look insane.
01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:38.479
You look amazing.
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.680
And I do have to mention before we go, I know I'm waffling, I have to mention your golden pill.
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:44.880
Oh, yeah, please do.
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.399
Which one maybe I've been on two years at least.
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:50.479
Game changer.
01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:53.439
Absolute game changer.
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:58.319
And you know how I feel about it from somebody that has really struggled with their hormones.
01:15:58.399 --> 01:15:58.800
Yeah.
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:05.680
And I mean, my luteal phase has been so rough in the past.
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.920
Like Tom will just disappear that week.
01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:09.600
He's like, I can't be around you.
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:20.079
But the difference that I saw in my energy levels, libido, kind of all-round well-being around that time was vast.
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:22.640
And I've not, you know, well, you know, I've not stopped taking it.
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:26.000
Yeah, I think I just find it because keeps me calm.
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:37.199
Like when she's booting off, the most heartbreaking thing is like when she's booting off at me, I think, God, I've taken a day off work just to be with you, and I've planned a lovely day every time, and then you've just been an absolute arsehole to me.
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:47.119
Like to the point where I was in tears the other day, and I was just thinking, oh, but yeah, and there's on a Saturday morning I take three of them because I'm just like and a magnesium because I just know I get that.
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:52.159
I want to keep karma because I don't want to like snap and flip.
01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:56.319
I've got my genetics told me I've got a tendency to flip.
01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:57.199
Oh really?
01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:02.640
If I yeah, if I go to like once I flip, it takes me a long time to come down from it as well.
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:03.119
Right.
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:04.560
But it takes me a lot to flip though.
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:09.439
Because I'm quite chilled and I've I can deal with pressured situations.
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:13.439
I'm not like an anxious person or a peeper pleaser and I'm like not that at all.
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:13.680
Yeah.
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:14.720
Quite confident.
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:22.399
But once I've got to that point of like, right, I'm at my limit now, you know, it can be hard.
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:23.039
I get that.
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:23.760
Yeah, I get that.
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.359
And also parenting is the most stressful thing in the world.
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.600
Most rewarding, most brutal thing I've ever done.
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:30.479
Completely.
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:34.479
Hand me 20 scenes in one day, I'll do it.
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:34.800
Yeah.
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:35.760
I'll do it.
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:39.600
But sometimes when I'm parenting, I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna, I'm gonna break.
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.079
This is it's so intense.
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:43.840
And I think you're right.
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:53.680
And I do think, and I I take your magnesium at night, as as you know, another game changer just to help me, help me come down from level 10.
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.880
Once I finish work, I always take it in the evening with my dinner.
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:01.359
Once I've finished work, some people have a glass of wine.
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:08.479
No, I'm the same as some of your magnesium and just give myself a minute that we are at that fast pace.
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.640
We're that flight or fight mode.
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:16.720
And I know that you and I both have a lot of responsibility on our shoulders and a lot to think about.
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:24.479
And I think doing those little things really helps to keep us in a safe place mentally and physically.
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:25.359
Definitely.
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:26.960
It's just something I do for me.
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:28.000
I'm the same as you.
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:31.600
I will spend on my wellness because it's the only thing that I'm interested in.
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.359
But I just see the net benefits like overall.
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:39.039
Like mentally, I'm a better person the next day, more productive.
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:47.199
I just couldn't even imagine, just even I have friends that are like, yeah, let's have like they have just have like three gear and tonics quite regularly, four, three, four times a week.
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:52.000
And I'm just like, you're just making life harder for yourself tomorrow, and it ain't easy anyway.
01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:52.560
For sure.
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:54.079
Putting those toxins in.
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:59.279
I remember listening to Abby Clancy talk about the golden bill, and I was like, Yes, all of those things.
01:18:59.439 --> 01:18:59.760
Yeah.
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:03.279
You must be absolutely buzzing because it's so good.
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:15.840
And what's interesting is we've had like seven people of note buy it recently, and five of those people are looked at, and they're like, they're all like doing supplements for other people.
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:17.199
I was like, oh my god.
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:23.520
So I the thing for me was like, I know that when they really want supporting, they come to us.
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:24.479
Do you know what I mean?
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:26.720
When they want the results, so that's a little bit of a kudos.
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:28.960
But no, we've got really good stuff coming up.
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:32.159
Um the prof is just amazing.
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:38.319
We've just had we've got another independent professor reached out, a guy called Professor James Frame.
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:40.479
I don't know if I can mention his name, I sure can.
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.720
Um he was so bowled over by the collagen, the tripeptide, everything.
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.159
He's just written about it in a British medical journal.
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:50.560
So this guy used to be the Queen's consultant.
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:51.439
Oh wow.
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:51.920
Yeah.
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:53.840
So he's like no joke of a guy.
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.039
And he was like completely independent, just came through.
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:59.279
And I was like, Yeah, of course you can do that.
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:01.279
Please, actually, please, can you do it?
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:05.920
It's your attention to detail just speaks volumes and so that's exciting.
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:08.960
And then we've got a new product coming out, hopefully in September.
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:15.520
And the only thing that's I could have it out tomorrow if I was willing to accept some shit packaging, but I'm not.
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:25.039
Uh, and I I've been to China, been to Italy, all over, trying to find something that looks as glamorous that could be in Harrods, right?
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:26.720
But put it in the nutrice space.
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:34.479
Because I feel like there's a real disconnect between health products that don't look good, that you know, let's make them look like gorgeous beauty products.
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:44.319
Well, finding a manufacturer that has both accreditation for beauty like cosmetics and health food or food grade is virtually impossible.
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:52.319
I found one, so they are then having to make it from scratch, which means moulds, which mold alone was five grand.
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:56.399
Then you've got to doing testing, and then to for to be found find out, right?
01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:59.520
I've done sagas on this, so this is nothing new information.
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:08.000
But when I sent it to the manufacturer, because of the way I designed the bottles like that, because it's cool, he was like, it needs to be like that for our machine.
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:09.680
I was like, Fuming.
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:10.720
What are you talking about?
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:13.600
Oh, I've just spent a fortune on this mould.
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:20.319
So now I've had to get another piece made for the machine that makes it upright so the machine can fill it with the solution.
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:21.600
Oh, fucking brilliant.
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:25.600
Or because I've decided to make a cool packaging.
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.319
That is it's I mean, if Alan Sugar.
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:29.359
But I bet it looks insane.
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:29.680
It does.
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.960
Knowing you, I bet it's not.
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:38.960
It does, but you know, if Alan Sugar or any like, you know, ruthless open different nerves listening to this, he'd be like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.520
Get the product out, get moving, get going.
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:43.600
Like if that was the case, I could should have done it last year.
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:47.359
It's important, and you've nailed it with all your other products.
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:50.399
So no, this is a real been a labour of love, honestly.
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:53.359
Nearly two years in on this bastard packaging.
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:53.760
Right.
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:56.479
And then they got told today that the dipstick's not long enough.
01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:58.399
So I was like, right, another problem.
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:01.279
Oh anyway, there you go.
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:04.479
But that's a perfect place to wind up today.
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:06.239
Well, thank you so much for coming in, Kath.
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:07.439
Not at all, I've loved it.
01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:09.119
Yeah, thank you so much.
01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:12.079
And uh can't wait to see you on Corrie a bit more.
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:12.720
Thank you.
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:14.159
And everything else we've got coming up.
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:14.720
Thank you very much.
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:16.159
Thanks, darling, really appreciate it.
01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:16.560
Thank you.