Davi:
0:04 Hey, I'm Davi Santos. And I'm Pasha Kalachev, and this is either or.
Davi (2):
0:18 So
Davi:
0:18 happy to be here, Pasha. Thank you for having me.
Pasha:
0:21 Well, it's, uh, it's an honor. It's an honor as always. I see you have the, uh, yellow backdrop. Uh, tell me for what type of roles? It's not a backdrop. It's
Davi:
0:31 actually curtains. It's not for roles, but thank you for your presumptuous, Mr. College Chef. No, I, I was, uh, I finally did something about the fact that I have a projector while at home. And so I installed yellow curtains, which, uh, yellow curtain when I'm watching movies.
Pasha (2):
0:49 Okay, is it white on one of the sides or do you just yellow cast everything? Make it look like westerns.
Davi:
0:55 When you part the curtains, when you part the curtains, there's a white wall still and that's on which the movies are projected.
Pasha (3):
1:04 Okay, so you got curtains for the walls. You got the, the, the wall curtains. It's Is that a l la is that an LA thing? No, wall
Davi:
1:11 curtains. They're their projector. They're their projector. It's a screen. Okay. It's like a theater. You've never heard of a theater. It's just a silver screen. This one's a white screen and then there's a curtain.
Pasha (3):
1:25 Okay. Okay.
Davi:
1:27 Yes. Very progressive.
Pasha (3):
1:30 Yeah.
Davi:
1:30 Cause otherwise you just have a giant wall.
Pasha (2):
1:33 When I fled the USSR at the beginning of the, at the beginning of the war, uh, it was a mad scramble to, uh, to, only bring the most necessary things in the world. And because we only had like minutes to pack and get out before all of my credit cards were shut off and the swift system didn't facilitate my banking anymore. I literally had had 24 hours to get out. And so I was like, okay, what do I bring? What do I bring? This has to stay. This has to stay this jacket. Ah, too heavy. It's leather has to go. It's like projector in the suitcase. You go just cause yes, record player. Did you literally take your projector
Davi:
2:15 with you? Yeah, yeah, of course. Then you should understand, you should understand my curtains. My curtains for my projector wall.
Pasha (2):
2:25 Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's surprising how, like, if you have a white wall and you're like, oh, I should probably get a projector, this would be cool. That's a good start. But if you get Proper, I think it's called photo chromatic, uh, photoreflective, uh, paint or, or any sort of fabric. It's crazy how much better the quality goes up. Like it's, it's a proper investment if you, if you have a projector of any, of any budget.
Davi:
2:57 Yeah. I mean, I, I'm, it's, it's not, I, I guess even when you get like the best state of the art, uh, TV in like 2010, in 2020, it's gonna be even more state of the art. But at the same time, if it's like, I really don't mind it. I'm like cozy and, and enamored every time the lights are off and I have like the giant screen and the quality is great. But yeah. Right photo, chromatic paint check.
Pasha (2):
3:21 If you, I will remember, oh look, even it. Even if you host, uh, what I would do is I would host these little, uh, little Friday night soirees and I would bring you over at a little, well, no, no, no, just, uh, just gatherings of people drinking some wine, having, having conversation. And what I would do is I, you, there are tons of these YouTube channels where it's just beautiful vistas. It's just drone shots of Norway and you play them in the background. Oh, I've done that before.
Davi:
3:51 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You put like the Trans Siberian fucking, yeah. Footage of the Trans Siberian like train or like the international space station. Oh yeah. Just transports you. I'm taking my
Pasha (2):
4:06 guests to the moon. That's a good move. Yeah. I also for photo shoots, that's good. A sultry, sultry photo shoot with some reds and neons and ooh la la. Those are for after hours though.
Davi:
4:22 Ah yes, yes, the late nights. Yeah, exactly. And then of course you sometimes see the shadow, but have you been shooting? You're such a great photographer.
Pasha (2):
4:34 Well, that is what I'm here in New York for. So I'm currently in New York and, uh, I'm doing a little bit of shooting for the, uh, United nations, a general assembly, which is going to be starting next week, that's going to be fun. Uh, I'm going to be doing some work for that. And then, yeah, that's, that's mostly all of the, that's the thing, man. All of the associations that I have with photography and cinematography is so work related. Uh, that, uh, I'm actually waiting on this little toy camera basically that I ordered. It looks like a, an old Leica camera. It's a Fujifilm camera. So it's, uh, it's, it's still digital. It's still at the age, but it's, it's, it's has a range finder. You look through the optical viewfinder and I mean, it kind of just brings you back to that. Yes. Yes. So the craft at all, because I can't look at my camera and have any associations, but with work and not creativity. So I'm looking forward
Davi:
5:33 to that. Yeah. It's sort of like having a different hat. You can like, that's your work camera. This is your creativity, fun art camera.
Pasha (2):
5:44 Yeah, you need that because the I mean, have you experienced that the double edged sword nature of succeeding so much in a particular creative field? I mean, that's the dream, right? Is is to to have your passion become your job. And then once you exceed that threshold of like, okay, this thing that I love to do is now a stable income, and it has turned from hobby to That's cool. vocation to possibly job. Uh, have you ever had any of those things sort of like lose your, uh, wrench the interest from your hands of what you do? I don't know if that's even a thing that happens in the performance arts.
Davi:
6:32 I think it does when When I think of the culture we have also of tapes and stuff like that, you, uh, you, you kind of put on like this professional hat of like, okay, I have 48 hours to do this. And you kind of have to, I find myself when, especially when you're, it's 11 PM and you need to get off book and memorize. And. It kind of feels more like a chore than it does a creative moment of expression and play. So sometimes you do have to remind yourself like, Hey, this is actually kind of fun. So loosen up. I think that's important for anything. Anything could turn into a work mode.
Pasha (2):
7:15 Yeah. Well, it's like a champagne problems. It's a good problem to have if you have, uh, if you're doing something and you love it so much, but it's just earning you too much money. And you have to now abide by a schedule where you are forced to do the thing that you love. God forbid.
Davi:
7:34 Yeah. I, I looked at, I mean, I respect it. No, um, I read this headline that like Florence Pugh, uh, it was like, Florence Pugh says she's missed so much of life that she wants to take a break from acting. What? Is that even a thing that happens? That was my reaction too. It was like, okay, fair, I guess, but like also walk
Pasha (2):
8:03 me, walk me through that. How did this article come about? This person's like, Hey, I was scrolling. It was, uh, I was just on IMDb
Davi:
8:12 and yeah, just Florence Pugh is one of our, let's say top 10 ingenues on film, uh, from, she was the star of Midsommar and, uh, did that, um, movie opposite Harry Styles. Did that movie, the, the one that was like the 1950s one that kind of went under the rug that Olivia, um, 28 years old, how much life is she missing? That's what I'm saying. And like, it's really only picked up in like the last like six years. And it's anyway, anyway, it's just funny. Whenever you read things like that, it's also like, yo, you can just take a break. You can just say, Hey, uh, I'm not working in May. I've been working from January through April. I'm not working in May. And then you can, it's like. It's so dramatic. I think people also just love headlines and announcing that director is announcing it's their last movie or actors are announcing it's their last movie. So I think we just need to balance. It all comes back to just balance your life.
Pasha (3):
9:23 The Oscar nominee has been working at breakneck speed for several years filming roles in Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer, Dennis Villanueva's Dune, Marvelous Thunderbolts, and all those
Pasha (2):
9:35 hits. It's the first time ever in my career where I've actually asked for a summer break. I'm an absolute work maniac, but I can see I'm exhausted. Well, look, the thing is the shooting schedules for productions like that are really intense. There's nothing, there's nothing to be said about it, especially the, they're super, super intense. You're usually away from home. Uh, if you are home, then it's basically being away from home because you're constantly on set and you need to abide by a crazy diet. You know, you can't get sick because millions and millions of dollars on the line, the budgets are super high. Um, so, I mean, I can imagine. And also this this race to capitalize on, on success. I feel with, with, with any tenuous creative career path, once the flywheel catches and you start gaining that momentum, like you really need to strike while the iron's hot. So we may give this girl a hard time for, you know, There are also a lot of articles on this and I think that's maybe excessive for what the ask is.
Davi:
10:51 Media. Clickbait. Exactly. No, but yes, but I agree with you that, yeah, uh, on one hand you have your entire team and you yourself. Right? Like, oh, when Denis Villeneuve calls and wants to work with you, and like, these extremely renowned, uh, artists are, are saying this is, uh, your potential next step, I mean, how do you say no to that? And then after a certain while, you realize, like, well, I, I actually do need to say, I do need to say no. And this could be from anything to, from like a Oscar winning director or to literally a lovely party or night out with your friends. You know, sometimes you just need to say no and just like relax and recoup and re energize and self care.
Pasha (2):
11:40 Yeah. Self care is important. Also just the, I think, yeah, well, you really have to, it's okay. So she's 28. At 28, I don't think I knew how to properly, like what the best mode of recharging was because some people, uh, I think, who is it, uh, Noah Yuval Harari, uh, who wrote Sapiens just came out with his new book called the Nexus. Um, he, bounces, if I'm not mistaken, he bounces to Tibet for like three months and he just meditates for three months. So he goes completely off grid for an extended period of time to entirely recharge. Then you have other, yeah, yeah, yeah, that, that, that could be, that could be an option. But then there's also the option of people who are so impassioned by their work that they need, you know, your classic weekend schedule, which is like two days entirely off, just No emails, no phone calls, no anything. Or maybe it's every other day where you need that sort of recharge. So it's figuring out exactly what you need. Cause I think some people would also just want to shoot themselves in the face if they had to sit someplace for three months without any access to the, to the outside world.
Davi:
12:58 Yeah, and let's be honest, how many people can afford to just take three months off and disappear, right? Like even one month off. Hey, most people live on 10 day vacations. And like, even if we're generous with ourselves and we're like, you know, we can disappear for, what, two weeks? And is that just going to be a disconnect in the woods? It seems so extreme. It seems like you're going seven months hard, hardcore, if you're going to require it. Three months of being disconnected. My math was wrong on it in the months calculated to a year, but yeah, nine months. Yeah. And I mean, I find it difficult, especially living a lifestyle as an entrepreneur or if you're freelance. Because you kind of don't have a specific weekend, right? And at first it's like, you must, it must be nice. And it is, uh, cause you could kind of like take off on a Wednesday or a Monday. If you want to, you don't have to go to the office, so to speak. But on the other hand, You don't really have a day off either because like something is due on a Monday. So you find yourself working on Sunday and, uh, and you have to actually clock in on Saturday. And then before you know it, you realize you actually are not taking days off, but you kind of find the. You kind of think that you are because, well, on Thursday you worked for six hours and then afterwards you went to some fabulous event and open bar and beautiful views and awesome people and you chatted and had a great time and you went home and woke up the next day at nine, but then you worked for, you know, And then, you know, so it's, it's, uh, I think we have to take so much more kind of eagle eyeing of our own lives in order to figure out that the lack for this, the lack for that, and then be very kind of intentional. I feel like it's so easy to just get swept up.
Pasha (2):
14:58 Not only is it, is it easy to get swept up, but it's also immensely hard to know what the output should be. Um, there was, who, who was it? Yeah. I was reading, uh, another book recently that was, uh, taking. Uh, an unorthodox view of modern day productivity. So instead of like the, I'll sleep when I, when I'm dead, man, instead of that approach, it's sort of looking back to, to, to anthropology of like, look, a hunter gathers, they would go out, they would hunt and they would gather some food for about a couple of hours. And then they would just lounge, they would chill and they would basically not do anything for a while. Uh, for a significant period of time. And we also have these vaulted images of, uh, of historical figures. Uh, one of the examples that this person used was Emily Dickinson, sort of like, well, she wrote. All of this poetry and it's like, well, she did, but she did it over the course of many, many years. And the majority of her work came from this time period. And for the rest of it, she wasn't, you wouldn't say she was ultimately productive, but we look back at these historical figures. And so it's figuring out like what that output is for you. It's like, for me, Uh, writing past say 2, 500 words or 3, 000 words per day diminishing returns. Like I'm not going to get anything good after more than four and a half, five hours of consistent work. Yeah. So you were smiling though. Where are you thinking about?
Davi:
16:40 No, all of that completely resonates. Uh, yeah, I know that after sort of like 11 p. m. it needs to switch over to something that's very creative as opposed to something administrative or like on the computer because like then it's like a completely different flow state. But if, if it's like trying to plow through work, uh, on just like on the computer, then like focus is like, it's kind of like that when you're not focused and you're reading and then you went through the two pages and you're asking yourself, what the heck did you just read? So yeah, you have to know when to stop and, and also what you're kind of that sweet. Point is when you're like most active and to be able to decide that that's the time that you're gonna do what it's really odd How we actually do have very consistent sort of fabrics of psychology and optimum times and times that don't work and it's almost like like don't don't be scrolling during your optimum time because that's when you're actually going to be the most focused. Do it when you're already on the, the downward, right? When you're ready to unplug.
Pasha (2):
17:48 It's, it's sort of what, knowing the, the texture of mind when like, uh, fun, fun little exercise that you can do is, Notice how your mind feels. It's a weird, weird thing to even conceptualize. It's like, how does my brain feel at this moment? Like if you're, if you're doing, if you're doom scrolling, like your brain will feel a very certain way when you're walking through an open Vista looking at, uh, just, just a vast picture. open landscape, your mind will feel a different way. And knowing those like when you're in a flow state, when you're, you know, three to five minutes into like a very focused task, your mind will feel a certain way. I and and knowing the danger of getting caught up with something Like I, um, I was, I was, uh, a couple of weeks ago, I was trying to meet a deadline and I kept on getting pulled away by just a random managerial, just minutiae bullshit. And at a certain point, like I felt that click in my mind. I was like, God damn it. Like I won't be able to, Sit down and write now. I, I basically called it in. I was like, all right, cool. Like, might as well just watch Netflix because nothing is going to happen because I was just asked to find some stupid document in my emails and it's going to take me half hour to do it. And it's just knowing those moments where you can almost leverage that and capitalize in different ways.
Davi:
19:21 I have found that, yes, the same thing happens when some kind of work needs to be done that is a little bit more, shall we say, creatively oriented or very nuanced instead of the, uh, administrative, bureaucratic minutia. of sorting out emails or tables or files or anything like that. And it really kind of just takes it away. It's so unromantic. Uh, and I find that also scrolling on anything will also kind of, kind of numb it out. But there are then these really great ways of just like sitting and, and like, Touching, uh, sort of like somatic awareness practices that suddenly like kind of takes away some of that cloudiness. And, and it always works. So, it's kind of just reinforcing sometimes like the bridge that is between like one brain state and another brain state. And there's, so at this point it almost feels infinite. The amount of research there is that says one brain state will kind of tend to loop itself. If you're upset, you will only find reasons to be more upset if you're joyful, so on and so forth. So bridging from one state of, um, almost like either boredom or frustration or myopic sort of digital resonance. And figuring out, like, God, how do I think expansively now is so hard and almost impossible. So sometimes you're tempted to not even do the thing. But then we under, we start to understand the textures of mind. Okay, if I just need to sit, just need to like feel my skin for a second. I just need to like smell the air for a second. And then you just sort of like ground yourself. And the next thing you know, you're like, okay, I can do this. And sometimes it doesn't even feel good in the beginning. But you just need to give yourself an opportunity to. to have that reinforcing feedback loop of the action, and then you finally take flight. Oh, man.
Pasha (2):
21:16 I'm, I'm still learning to remind myself that Whatever you're trying to get into, it's going to take a couple of minutes and those first couple of minutes are the worst because the, the fall off rate for that, for, for you to eject and just say, all right, fuck this. And we'll come back to it later is like 98%. But if you push through, you're like, oh, okay, cool. Now I'm 35 minutes in and I'm, I'm totally with it. It's just those first moments. And this is the whole thing. We've talked about this before, so we don't need to, you know, beat a, an already. unfocused dead horse. Um, but the, the cost we're trying to revive the horse, the, the, uh, there was a term for it. What the hell is it called? Uh, yeah. Context switching. Talked about it before. But yeah, doing that is basically, you know, answering an email when you're on the, like the arc of the next chapter and you're done, you're done. It's going to take you like an hour to get back to whatever you're doing before. So, uh,
Davi:
22:22 yes. Beware of context switching. And what did you call it? The, the 98%, um, you used an interesting phrase as well.
Pasha (2):
22:32 Oh, I don't know. Just, uh, failing at task, ejecting yourself from, uh.
Davi:
22:40 Yeah. I think when you're, cause I also, my 17 year old brother, I give him so many, it's like, okay, if you want, if this, if you, if you're interested in accomplishing this, right. He's, he's at that point now where he's like considering college and also long term goals and possible professions, right? And, uh, and, and wondering if, if he should have started earlier or if it's okay to start later. And so I'm consistently trying to say like, well, you can get a leg up on anything that you want to accomplish in the future by starting to put in some of the leg work now that is completely unrequired of you, right? You know, you don't have to. You live in a, thankfully in a stable household, you don't have to contribute to rent, you don't really need side money, you can do anything you want and you'll be fine. So if you want to accomplish these other things in the future, or if you want to be ahead of your peers, then you need to start putting in some of the effort of the things that you think will be fun to do anyway. Right. But then that context switching a is very difficult. So I think by managing also, uh, being aware of that key, like beginning phase, where your mind resists this new action and being able to label it. That, you know, uh,'cause Lord, I've, I feel it as well when it's like, okay, this is my to-do, and like I finally wanna accomplish this and I'm gonna be so excited when that's done, but I always push it because it feels like pulling teeth when I start. Mm-Hmm. right? And then, but Lord, it's always hold like as soon as.
Pasha (2):
24:15 pulling teeth for the things that you know you need to be doing and that you ultimately will be grateful to yourself that you have accomplished. Why is it always? Yes. Why is it always hard?
Davi:
24:28 Why can't it be easy in the beginning? Sometimes, sometimes it's actually not hard at all. Like at the end of the day, uh, at let's say like Personally, this thing yesterday, like I'm, I'm editing this massive video that I've always wanted to have finished. And it's always such a, like, at first, even the thought of it is like, shit, it's going to take forever. And it's going to be so many steps and I'm going to be there seated for so long and like, Oh, I can get away without doing it again. But, and then finally sitting in front of it and it's like, Oh my God, there's just so much. And like, where do I start? And, and then actually starting and like, Oh man, I guess I can move this. There's that. But at a certain point, I'm like in the groove, and it's coming to life, and it's working, and I also realized like, oh my god, um, okay, so in the beginning, of course, it took many, many, many hours, but by the end, I was still finding myself with the same resistance, oh, I don't want to go back to that project, that's taken so long, and then it hit me as I was Oh, I really only need to make the final adjustments. Like, this can't take more than an hour and a half. And in the end, it ended up taking two hours, but half hour more. But if I didn't think, oh, it's only gonna take me an hour and a half now, if I don't give an ETA for like the time in which I think something's going to be finished, it makes it so much more astronomically large. So being able to wrap my head around like, you know what, I'm just going to do this for 40 minutes or half an hour or whatever. And then I'll be, I know I'm going to be further along. Suddenly clicks into my mind. Okay. You know what? This is totally reasonable. What's half hour. So I'm almost done now. So thank
Pasha (2):
26:05 God. Well, congratulations on that video. Um, I look forward to that's realsy realsy. We don't have. Uh, so last, last week I was in Estonia and, uh, I was with a buddy of mine, we were writing a screenplay that is based in Estonia. So last
Davi:
26:29 week in Estonia.
Pasha (2):
26:31 So last week on Estonia, uh, yeah. So the. We came up with this idea or rather, uh, my friend came up with the idea and contextually Like he I was sort of the right person to Uh hop on as a co writer and it's all based in estonia and so we wanted to take this trip to to like Crank out this thing in Tallinn, which was really, really cool. Uh, first couple of days, it was just a lot of brainstorming, like writer's room type stuff. Super fun to do. Kind of just like, all right, then this happens in the, but what about if this happens, then this needs to. So it was a lot of that, which was a hell of a lot of fun. Uh, the last three days we're like, yo, we got to fucking write this shit. Like we, he booked the last three days. Yeah. He booked this, uh, this restaurant for, uh, for a celebratory dinner because we, at that point we should have had a complete screenplay. And then we realized that we're three days out. And, uh, Not a lot has been on paper, so we went into full lock stock and writing mode, and that's exactly what we did. We did. Uh, we kind of naturally started utilizing timers 45 minutes. It's like, boom, 45 minutes break. Um, who go into room, I would dilly dally until I got something good on paper. And then, you know, first couple of minutes were hard. And then all of a sudden you look at the clock and you're, you only have five minutes left and you're like, Oh, I want to finish this dialogue. I want to finish this dialogue. And it worked, it worked beautifully, you know, and you don't need that many breaks in between, like in terms of duration, it's like five, maybe tops, 10 minute break. And then you fire that, that puppy up 45 minutes on the clock and just go.
Davi:
28:24 The beauty of also having just a five or ten minute break is that you start learning to discipline yourself to sit, uh, in sometimes what begins to feel a little uncomfortable. Uh, I could go for another coffee right now or like, oh, I just want, I'm just going to use the restroom. But of course you never just do one thing or the other sometimes. I, this is last week, I've been really good at getting up from my desk, running to the little task, you know, I'm just going to grab an apple and then running back and then like continuing. Cause I'm also, I'm consistently timing myself at this point. I feel like it's the only way to, to really, uh, get my focus to be sharp is
Pasha:
29:00 overload.
Davi:
29:01 It is. Absolutely. It's, yeah, Kronos, right? The Lord of Time. So I got the hourglass. I have, uh, I'm logging literally when I start a task. I will log when I pause it. I will be aware of my pause because of all of the times where I don't. And I think I'm just going to get up and stop for a moment. It starts off just like, all right, rush the bathroom, go to the kitchen. Maybe I'm going to make something, check my phone on something really quick. I'll just answer that really quick. I'm just going to do, Oh, and that's out of place. I'll just put that over there. Then next thing you know, I'm like, how did 45 minutes go by? So it's really, I think, wise to have like, even those five minute increments so that you're, you allow yourself to specifically say, I'm just going to do this and do that. And again, this is only if you want to accomplish something specific and, um, and, and that you find that is going to really be like a task because otherwise why do this at all? But it's a great way I think of, of channeling your focus in a time when focus is all we have and so difficult to channel.
Pasha (2):
30:05 Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm just thinking about the few other things that I need to do that I'll need to just become a slave to, to the timer. And it's all about editing. It's all about things that must be completed yet always seem to wriggle from our fingers, our greasy little fingers of hedonism and doom scrolling. Oh yeah. Yes.
Davi:
30:33 Yeah, yeah, doom scrolling, I'm a little bit better at in controlling, but yeah, the hedonism and a really great invitation. Not with this election. I still find it, find it so difficult, oh my God, this election, well, okay, wait, before we go there. Yeah, so how to conclude, uh, the spree. So what was the outcome of your 72 hour objective of putting it all. Oh, we knocked it out. We
Pasha (2):
30:58 knocked it out. We did it. We knocked it out. And. Yeah, we did it. We, we managed to, I mean, overall, I mean, obviously right now we're in, in, in rewrites and edits. Um, we set another deadline. We're going to be meeting with some people to, to fully review and see the potential of this, uh, this feature, but no, we knocked it out and it was, it was a beautiful. And the coolest part about it was that the trip to Estonia was absolutely worth it in the sense that we pulled so much historical, so many historical references, so many location references. I mean, it truly informed the, the breadth of the, of the script itself, which, um, which was cool. So all in all very fruitful, fruitful trip and fingers crossed that everything goes well with the, um, with the edits and we have something good on our hands.
Davi:
31:54 Oh yeah, yeah, just intentionality, no hope necessary, just intend, intend, intend. Does that mean also while you were in Estonia, what, did you guys spend part of the day walking around saying like, Oh, that's an interesting space, take a photo, consider what could happen there. And then when you're back home, you write the scene and then you sort of like set it in that town square, plaza, metro.
Pasha (2):
32:19 Well, we, we had a good idea of the, um, the way that my friend writes stories is he visualizes a lot of key moments and a lot of key scenes. He would be like, wouldn't it be awesome if the film starts here with this protagonist and then this happens in the middle and then the finale is this crazy scene. And, yeah. I sort of came in to tie the thread and to have everything logically make sense. Um, so we had a fairly good idea of like what we wanted to do, what we wanted to showcase, the types of locations that we found through, uh, through Google maps and just general searches about Estonia in general. And then while, while we were there, we, um, first couple of days, we, uh, took notes, put it on the wall, um, plotted out the entire film. And then once we visited the main locations, that's when we were like, okay, we can get down to the nitty gritty of like using this abandoned gel as a jail as a hideout for this character. And then this scene happens within, so it was a lot of, um, tours, excursions. Uh, yeah, just exploration at large. And it was very informative.
Davi:
33:40 How interesting. I definitely have heard of people going to a location that they want something to take place in. Uh, you don't really hear too often the concept of location scouting with writing, even though, of course, you would think that makes sense. And it does. It makes perfect sense. Oh, I'm going to write about something happening in a certain place. I want to be able to experience it. I suppose maybe that's because sometimes people write from places they've already seen, but to actually be some place far off that you don't really know and then. Yeah, it
Pasha (2):
34:11 happens, uh, post factum. You would have, you know, your, you You went on a trip to the Amalfi Coast and then you go back to LA and you're like, Oh, that would be really cool to write a story based on that. And then you have, um, what was that new, the, the most recent reboot of the old film with, uh, uh, what's his face on the, on the Amalfi Coast, the,
Davi (2):
34:36 uh, they are Mamma
Pasha (2):
34:38 Mia. Yeah. Oh on a second.
Davi:
34:40 Talented. Mr. Ripley. Oh. Wait, wait, is that Ripley? The show? Or is that the other show that is also, is that Ripley? Yeah, Ripley.
Pasha (2):
34:49 Ripley, Ripley is the reboot of The Talented Mr. Ripley. Yeah.
Davi:
34:54 Yeah. Note to self, I still have to watch that. I hear it's gorgeously filmed.
Pasha (2):
35:00 Yeah, it's, it's pretty. If you, have you seen the original?
Davi:
35:07 Oh yeah, for sure. Loved the original. I mean, I haven't seen it in years, but yeah, it was great.
Pasha (2):
35:13 My, my consension with it was, The film itself was so tight in terms of beats. And I kind of just wanted to fast forward the, the, the show a little bit, and I had this sort of, maybe I, I've, well, I, I saw, or I rewatched Talented Mr. Ripley last year. Maybe that was too soon of a timeframe that was too fresh on my mind and that's why I wanted to, Oh, because you were comparing it in
Davi:
35:43 your head. Yeah.
Pasha (2):
35:44 Yeah. Well, dude, I, I didn't even, I didn't even know that it was, uh, it was based off of the, the, the original film. So I started watching it. I was like, Oh, this is vaguely familiar. What a cool premise. I love this premise. And then once I connected the dots, I'm like, Oh shit, can this move along a little faster? So I don't know.
Davi:
36:04 Yeah. That's amusing that they're basically what, is it eight episodes? It's like, Hey,
Pasha (2):
36:13 let's, uh, Let's take this really well two hour experience and expand it for an entire season. Yeah.
Davi:
36:24 For 12 hours. It's like the antithesis of everything that you are kind of taught in screenwriting. It's like, let's just fill these two hours with. Six times more material.
Pasha (2):
36:38 Yeah. Can you add 20 pages here, please?
Davi:
36:42 Yeah. Can you add 20 pages every five pages? Exactly. But that sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys make together. And it sounds really cool. And, uh, yeah, going far off like that and, and simultaneously, and you've got to scratch out a location scouting because you literally found your locations already. So you know where everything could be shot,
Pasha (2):
37:05 which is awesome. We saw where, do you remember Tenet, the film, not Tenet, the production company? Oh, Christopher
Davi:
37:13 Nolan, not Christopher Nolan's movie.
Pasha (2):
37:17 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Nolan's movie. Christopher Nolan's movie.
Davi:
37:20 Yeah.
Pasha (2):
37:21 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's also the Tenet production company. Uh, don't tell anybody,
Davi:
37:23 but I actually didn't. I didn't see tenant.
Pasha (2):
37:26 Oh, you didn't? Okay, nevermind. It's not, the reference isn't gonna make sense then I skipped it. Uh, there was a, there was a scene of the Ukrainian. library or opera house or something. And that was shot in this beautiful location in the center of of Tallinn. It was, um, this, this Soviet building and, um, yeah, so it wasn't shot in Ukraine. It was shot in, uh, in Tallinn, which is cool. Tallinn,
Davi:
37:56 Estonia. The capital of Estonia. Yes. The capital of Estonia. Yeah. What brought you guys to, why Estonia as the place of the story? Neither of you guys are from there. You don't know anybody there.
Pasha (2):
38:12 No. Well, uh, my boy just got his. citizenship by descent. Oh, cause he's Estonian. He just got, he just got his, yeah, he just got a citizenship by descent. And also this film would act as a pilot project for a larger, uh, kind of production organization. And so the, the trip kind of, uh, stood as it was, it was, it was useful in a lot of different ways. So it sort of sets us up for some other things that we would potentially do in the future, um, with Estonia.
Davi:
38:58 Beautiful tax cuts, the whole thing. That's awesome. That's very exciting. It's good to catch it in the very beginning. Yeah. And now you're going to the UN General Assembly, brah. Hold on a
Pasha (2):
39:09 second. Catch, catch, catch what? Catch what in the process. Catch
Davi:
39:13 the process in the
Pasha (2):
39:13 very beginning. Yeah.
Davi:
39:15 Like the first, the first, uh, episode of potentially many things out there. It's cool.
Davi (2):
39:21 Very much so. And
Davi:
39:21 so you're getting ready for the UN General
Pasha (2):
39:23 Assembly. Bro, I, I know nothing about the UN General Assembly to be entirely honest with you. Uh, I'm just doing some, some media work for, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
Davi:
39:36 I'm calling for just, yeah, they're on the whole ceasefire thing and then bunch of, yeah, they've been since almost the very beginning. And then, and then like Republicans continuously insist that the UN is being hijacked by terrorist organizations. So that's why they must be wiped out all the schools and, you know, Hospitals and shit.
Pasha (3):
39:58 What? The U. N. must be wiped out?
Davi:
40:02 Yeah. Yeah. Which is why, like, there's, like, no, like, U. N. buildings or very few of them now left in, in Gaza and in the Middle East because they've all been, like, blown up because apparently, like, terrorist organization. That's what the right wing, which is pro bombing has been saying. Yeah.
40:22 Yeah. But of course, it's like in the same breath.
Davi:
40:25 So have, um, well, yeah, exactly. There's no other way to put it. Well, yeah, because it's like on the same, in the same breath, it's like, yeah, well, we're also pro bombing the, the infrastructure for water and sanitation and all the schools and all the hospitals. It's like, uh, but why the UN buildings? Oh, because they're there too. They're, they're everywhere. So right now we have like a polio outbreak and, and, uh, and like a starvation campaign, which a lot of people are also saying is like, well, is it, it's like, yeah, there's no, there's no food going there. And, uh, the water sanitation facility has been blown up. So, there's a polio outbreak. And now we're trying to send in, uh, people with like, um, to give vaccines for like a hundred thousand children, but now they're being prevented as well and being attacked. So it's like, uh, uh, But yeah, I would say one side is asking for stuff to just like stop for at least a pause, which I think they succeeded for like two days, like a humanitarian ceasefire to allow the vaccinations to begin, but then it's, it's, it's been overrided by an attack and sort of continues. So yeah, the UN has been pushing for a ceasefire.
Pasha (2):
41:41 Yeah. We're going into season two of this lovely little conflict. Going into, into the fall season, like it was so
Davi:
41:49 long ago that we first started talking about it, and I can't believe that we're still in here, uh, doing it. Yeah. Some of our, it's so nuts. Well,
Pasha (2):
41:57 this was, I mean, it was either like the first or second episode that we spoke about the, uh, the terrorist attack. Uh, and here we are.
Davi:
42:11 Here we are. Here we are with pagers exploding. Pager, check your pager. It's insane. Like over 30 people have been, I read 37, like 37 people killed because. U. S. pagers have been loaded with explosive materials and then have blown up. And U. S. officials have already been saying that Israel did it. And apparently Israel and Lebanon both agreed that they wouldn't be doing booby traps. It was an accord in like the 90s that they, like, you know, handshake, written in paper, were not going to be booby trapping each other's code. countries, which means that we're not going to put explosives in non explosive. Yeah. Well, I mean, it took long enough. And, um, and then it all went out like a nine year old died, a 10 year old died, people lost their eyes and it's all supposed to be like, Oh yeah, we're defending ourselves.
Pasha (2):
43:01 I mean, this was okay. So I have a couple of things too. There's a, um, uh, on the, on the whole pager thing, they, the statement that they gave was that they didn't know. They basically had to seize the carpe diem, uh, and they didn't know if the plan was going to work out. So they just decided to press the button and explode all the pagers. It was sort of, um, they did all of the setup, all the preliminary setup, and they thought that it was in the correct hands, but then they didn't know if it was either going to go out of range or whatever the, however the functionality works, but they were like, all right, it's now or never. And then they just decided to, uh, They being without, uh, whoever pressed the button to make the pagers go boom, boom, which I was at the IDF. I'm assuming it was the IDF, but anyway, somebody came out saying that it had to be done at that particular time. And so the collateral damage is sort of like, eh, is what it is. But prior to this is about. Two weeks ago, uh, there was a, uh, U. S. citizen that was taken out by the, by the IDF. And so it was a That's right. Did you hear about that? That was, uh Yeah. Yeah. And their statement was Did you hear the
Davi:
44:17 statement? Yeah. Go ahead. Yes! Wait, wait. Their, their statement was, um, Listen, we did not purposefully target It is very likely and more likely that we were targeting another protester instead. That was it. It was like, we shot, we, and that the protest was over at this point. And so they snipered this, this young woman, uh, that was there protesting without, there was no violence. There was no act of aggression. They wiped this girl out in a, in a, in a sniper shot. And then they, their excuse was that they were going to try to kill somebody else.
Pasha (2):
45:01 That's the thing. If I, if. If I'm not mistaken, the, so she was, uh, Turkish American. She was at some sort of protest near the border where the, you had all of these different checkpoints and you had idea forces, uh, and I believe she. started. And again, who knows a fog of war? I don't know if anybody actually knows the specific details on the ground, but I think she started to, uh, lodge rocks or throw rocks or that was kind of played into their justification. But then the IDF said, so the person started to throw rocks and we consider the person a threat, um, potentially endangering the lives of. The IDF, that, that was sort of paraphrasing, but they said that the person started to throw rocks and that's why they needed to take the person out. Now it was a sniper shot to the head. Like if a person's throwing rocks, like that's not the same. The rock, the biomechanics of throwing a rock look a lot different than the biomechanics of shooting a gun. Like hard to hard to mix those two up and yeah, man, some of these things, I don't with their PR, they're not even trying anymore. They're like, Hey, look, no, no, I hate the game.
Davi (2):
46:39 Yeah,
Davi:
46:39 yeah. And then, uh, and it's worse too, because I think it's They can tell that they have the full support of the American military industrial complex to, to not adhere to international law. And that includes America and the government and the military, to the extent where. At least until three days ago or two days ago, the American government does, did not even, it, it was important enough that it, it is a, a headline in America that the press secretary is addressing reporters about it on behalf of the White House, but they didn't find it important enough to contact the family and offer condolences, which they, by pattern and frequency do in these high profile cases. So, it was also kind of like a nod to the, the position that the government continues to have, which is extremely inoffensive one and militant. Yeah, the statement was, uh, we, we, we disagree with the level of aggression that, uh, protesters should not be killed for expressing, uh, dissent in the open, uh, especially when, when there's no violence that is incurring, uh, we will investigate or we're waiting for the Israelis to investigate. Uh, which is always extremely amusing, uh, when they say that we're going to let the offensive party investigate their own crime and then let us know the results.
Davi (2):
48:16 Yeah. Yeah. Well.
Davi:
48:20 It's the, it, what, yeah, what's troubling is that all of this is indicative of a growing escalation and. And it's, uh, and it's difficult to stomach that it doesn't seem like, uh, the government is looking for the most diplomatic path in any sort of way. In spite of the rhetoric of, we're working tirelessly, left, like, what is the total population and how many people have died, and Uh, I mean, I would imagine that there's still,
Pasha (2):
48:54 Oh, like how many people will it take
Davi:
48:56 to kill before this is over?
Pasha (2):
48:59 No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying, Davi. I'm saying how many Palestinians are generally left in the country, because maybe that is the, that is Bibi's plan. To just, I mean, they've called for genocide multiple times, basically wiping Palestinians entirely off of the map and given the consistency of all of these bombing and raiding campaigns and. all of the aggression, like, could there be another year of this before there just aren't any Palestinians left? And then will there still be people saying that it's not ethnic cleansing? No, no, that will, at that point, it'll most certainly be. But yeah, no, actually, how many people are left? There are
Davi:
49:58 100. There are 165, 000 people internally displaced in shelters across Gaza at the moment. Uh, the overall situation has severe challenges in basic services, which include water, shelter, and sanitation. Oh, before the conflict intensified, Gaza had a population of 2. 2 million people. Uh, but exact current numbers are harder to determine due to the fluid nature of displacement and ongoing evacuations. Uh, Oh, I see. So that means some people successfully left, I suppose, uh, Gaza, whereas then of course there were thousands who have died and then there's 165, 000 in the shelters across Gaza itself. Does that add up?
Davi (2):
50:53 Right? Right. Perhaps.
Davi:
50:59 Yeah. Yeah. It seems like America needs to really step up on, um, yeah, it was someone that was like, yeah, don't tell us that you're working tirelessly for a ceasefire because if you are, then you're really bad at your job, you know, is, is kind of like a sentiment. But at the moment too, there isn't really. We don't have, even though we're like looking at our two choices, we don't have one that is, uh, respectful. I mean, one is calling for respect more than another, but neither of them seem to really. care. And not only that, like, on one hand, you have someone who is like racist against Muslim people as a whole. I mean, let's not forget the Muslim ban. And then you have on the other side, someone who we also know is receiving funds from defense contractors, right? So it's like, And both of them are, which makes it so dirty. And I feel like, why, why aren't we fighting to make kind of that kind of campaign endorsement illegal? Right? Like, why is it necessary? Like from defense companies and from private prison companies, corporations in that, in that way, like, why do we, what is the argument that, uh, in a free society, uh, prisons and weapons manufacturers should be allowed to influence elections and should be able to give campaign donations to candidates that are supposed to represent the, the will and best interest of the American people. Cause I can't, can you think of a reason why you, yeah.
Pasha (2):
52:58 The It's a, it's a sound question. It's a sound question to ask, of course, why, why should those things be legal? Why should it be legal for pharmaceutical manufacturers that basically, uh, uh, promulgate, uh, opioid epidemics, uh, throughout the country? Like, why should they have any sway to the tune of billions of dollars to various candidates? I mean, like it all comes down to, uh, to incentive profit and, and incentive. And this is why. Um, I mean, if you put on a very tinny tin foil hat, you could say that given Trump's rhetoric, uh, Trump's anti war rhetoric, that those defense contractors are not trying to have a lack of war cut into their profits. Like, you can, it's not unreasonable to go that far off into conspiracy theory land. Um, because you do have high incentives to, to, I mean, they just, uh, if I'm not mistaken, signed another, um, another like multi billion dollar contract for the support of Ukraine, uh, along with the continuation, the, the continuation of talks of long range missile systems, uh, to be green lit. Oh yeah. The threat.
Davi:
54:34 The threat of attacking deeper into Russia, which escalates the, Hey, can we, can we, can we, the conflict as well. Can we stop
Pasha (2):
54:40 escalating? Not since the very beginning of the war. Have we talked once or at least not the administration that's currently in power has talked once about deescalating. The hasn't talked once about providing off-ramps. Not once. And now we're, it's, it's, it's silly. It's, it's, it's silly. And when you start thinking about the, the dollar signs that are tied to a lot of these things, and then the dollar side and designs tied to rebuilding, uh, all of the destruction that black rock has already jumped the line to, to, uh, realistic. I mean, all, all these different things and it paints this incredibly bleak picture of perverse. incentives of a military industrial complex. And it's sad. It's sad. It's, it's quite sad because it literally looks like,
Davi:
55:44 yeah, when you, when you look at the destruction in the Middle East and when you even think of the destruction, uh, in the Ukraine and you think of, How American companies might be allowed, international companies might be allowed to go in there and rebuild and may already have contracts or already thinking or drawing them up and, and it feels literally like some old school, uh, little village where you have some reigning, uh, punk power that is like pay us tribute if you want so called protection. And then if you don't pay for protection, they'll break your window and then they'll offer to fix your window, but you'll have to pay for it as well. So it's like causing damage to, and then causing damage, which allows someone to make money off of what it will cost to cause the damage. And then also charging the people. Uh, to then build on top of that so that the same or these other companies get to make money off of the rebuilding of the space. So it becomes like this sort of like scheme of, of devastation and privatizing wealth and at the expense of so many people. However, I wouldn't call, uh, Donald anti war. I mean, just because you say, well, the war wouldn't happen if I was there and, uh, and I'd fix it as soon as I get in is not the equivalent of anti war. Uh, you know what I mean? Um, just so we don't get it twisted as to the sentiment of like, well, are we going to have peace in our times if with so and so, but war with so and so and is that because this other party wants peace? Like I'm not, I wouldn't rush to that conclusion either.
Pasha (2):
57:24 So he, he did an interview with, um, with Lex Fridman, Friedman and Lex, uh, Lex is half Ukrainian, half Russian. And he pressed him on that particular issue. It's like, so what are the policies that you would like? What is your plan for Ukraine? You keep on saying that you'll bring an end to the war. What exactly do you plan on doing? And she said something very similar to. Basically, the type of rhetoric that they were using during the the last debate, which is like, I have a, I have an idea of a plan, but I don't want to reveal it just yet. And so, yeah, I agree with you. Nothing has been, nothing has been discussed that will appease people like me that, you know, have an obvious stake in, uh, in, in having this, Finish as quickly and as, as peacefully as possible because that is really That's one of the most important things on the agenda when I'm thinking about, um, just candidates and, and, and the U. S. election, uh, U. S. elections at large, uh, but Trump is also the only person that said, well, I'm going to bring an end to this. Whereas the other party hasn't even intimated at that, uh, aside from giving those platitudes of. We must bring peace to the world and the dying must stop. It's sort of the same rhetoric that's used for, uh, in, in relation to the Israel Palestine conflict, it's sort of, we'll need to peacefully resolve this as quickly as possible without any actual. So, you know, they could all be full of shit. Um, but at the same time, I haven't heard that from Kamala yet.
Davi:
59:18 Yeah.
Pasha (2):
59:18 Which is why I don't think we've heard any, not anything at all from Kamala, but do you know, maybe, you know, um, the specifics of her agenda for, for at least that part of the world, uh, world.
Davi:
59:32 What the, the Ukraine and Russia or the Middle East?
Pasha (2):
59:36 Yeah. Yeah. Ukraine.
Davi:
59:39 Ukraine. Uh, I mean, I, I watched the debate and it was still, it wasn't very clear, was it? Uh, as to, and this isn't me saying like, uh, oh, she, I've already been very vocal about, yeah, go ahead. If we want to look it up. I've already been very vocal about neither of these candidates seem to, or their administrations seem to be ideal. for serving existence and, and having, uh, peace in our times as well as an ecosystem that is restored. However, one is more apparently devastating than the other, which is, uh, Uh, for example, also regardless of how much more anti war one can think that Donald and his administration would be, the man blatantly climate denied during his debate and is very open about that as well. And anyone, anyone. Who is a climate denier and who believes that there is no impetus to swish out of fossil fuels is at war with Earth itself. So you cannot be anti war and be a climate denier, because if you are going to be exacerbating, the degradation of our ecosystem and our life, sustenance, form, and life, then you are attacking earth and people as it is. So that already rules him out entirely, right? At least in my book.
Pasha (2):
1:01:18 That's, that's very, extreme position to, to take, uh, well, that's like saying, well, I mean, there, there are people literally getting their heads blown off by sniper fire. Um, and kamikaze drones and to put that on the same in the same immediacy as, uh, or to put climate change at the same level of immediacy as things of, of that nature, it's It's not climate change, it's climate
Davi:
1:02:02 crisis. And millions of people will die all over the world irrevocably. It will not change back. Do you know what I mean? Like war, it is. And also it's not that we, like, if we can solve one or the other, which one should we solve first? And like one of them is like people dying right now. And the other one is over time. That's, that's a false, that's not what we're Hold
Pasha (2):
1:02:24 on a second, you're, you're also saying that America is the only, uh, sole contributor is the only person or the only country that will be able to kind of enact this sort of change. I mean, climate change or climate crisis, uh, is a global phenomena and the entire world needs to participate equally. Whereas, uh, the particular conflicts that we're talking about, it's, uh, America has a direct stake in both of those and could, uh, immediately enact change on both of those subjects, whereas the climate crisis is a little bit of a trickier problem to solve. So, um, okay. So yeah, Kamala Kamala has consistently supported Ukraine and its defense against the Russian invasion, uh, aligning closely with the Biden administration. So it's probably going to be a lot more of that. Um, she's emphasized the importance of military and financial aid to the Ukraine. Yeah. So yeah, Ukraine must defend itself
Davi:
1:03:25 from its Russian invasion. We are there to defend Russia, defend Ukraine from Russia. And, and we're not seeing enough of the conversations of, well, uh, negotiation and diplomacy and how do we do it? No, it's just a bunch of, we must defend, we must defend slash offend. Also they're mutually and on the other point, uh, they are intimately tied. Anyone who truly, anyone who wants to serve and save the environment will de facto also want to de escalate war. And anyone who believes that war needs to, to flourish and continue and expand will also then try to destroy the environment. And then anyone who's destroying the environment on purpose, because they want to make profits, will allow other circumstances, equivalent to or the war itself, because whenever you privatize land or whenever you destroy an ocean, it is war against all of those people, the ecosystem and so forth, which will translate to death and hardship and so forth, which is why I put those two together. And in terms of, um, the climate crisis being global versus the war, that is, uh, our, our taxpayer money. We cannot. Confused or we can never decide that America's the global superpower only when it's convenient We know that it is. We know that we have the most military bases. We know that we have the most military spending. We, we know what our GDP is. We know the control that we have around the world. We know what American rhetoric and action means to the rest of the planet. So we have to take responsibility with the power that we have and make a stance. And that will mean that these other countries will follow suit. We see that again and again with politics and with, uh, our, with our stances and stances abroad. On
Pasha (2):
1:05:30 the way to the United States from, from Estonia, I went through, um, I had a layover for a couple of days in Prague and they were entirely, that entire area was, uh, was, was completely devastated due to floods, um, the past week, uh, Austria, I mean, they had entire villages taken out. I mean, multiple casualties and you've anomaly. Sure, could be, uh, but also, yeah, you're going to have a lot of these, um, these extreme climate events happen and that could also be put on a tally that could also be put into a neat statistic of lives lost. So I'm not, I'm not arguing with you on that point.
1:06:20 Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Davi:
1:06:22 Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, it's, it's very frustrating to feel like we don't have, uh, Like the right and the wrong, and then, or at least the more holistic right, and I guess that's a very, uh, tricky also word with many entendres, but it doesn't feel like, oh, this person and their whole party are looking out for sort of the best interest for everybody, you know what I mean, it's not, it's not like a climate scientist that's looking forward to it. social justice and environmental justice and climate justice. But we, we do know that that's not really the goal at all of the other side. It's, it's just one of those nasty regurgitated cases of best of two evils. But I keep saying to everyone who's like, well, that's precisely why I won't vote or that's precisely why I'm not going to get involved. Or that's precisely why. And it's like, look, you don't vote for, the candidate that represents you as a whole, you vote for the terrain where you want your values and see that your values can win and can happen. So even if it's deeply imperfect, there, there is a difference between those two worlds and those two four years that we're going to have. And that's the preference that needs to be. that more change can happen. And I just hope and intend that we are more active in making things happen in the next four years to where like, we thought we defeated boogeyman four years ago. And, and then we allowed so much chaos to continue to happen. So I do hope that then for. Uh, four years, uh, will be about de escalation somehow and not just us going day to day and turning on the news and being like, Oh, wow, it's still continuing.
Pasha (2):
1:08:16 Is there supposed to be
Davi:
1:08:18 constructive? No, no, at least not, um, not between Donald and Kamala. And as far as I know, it's because his side said that they would not debate again.
Pasha (3):
1:08:32 Yeah. Which, uh, Oh man. Which is crazy. We may be able
Pasha (2):
1:08:37 to anticipate. Kind of fell on his face with, uh, with the first, with the first debate. First? Yeah. No, he, I, I don't understand why they won't take another, another debate. I mean, Kamala was, was well prepared for the first one. Uh, Donald got caught in, you know, she, she basically, what,
Davi:
1:09:05 the only one, You don't need debate. Are you talking about a presidential debate
Pasha (2):
1:09:10 between Kamala and Donald? Uh, yeah, yeah. I guess I'm, I guess I'm being hopeful. I would love to see another one just to kind of ask more fucking policy questions.
Davi:
1:09:23 Yeah. Hello. I mean, we should, the American people deserve to know what these administrative policy differences are. And we skirted through them in an hour and a half and whenever it was remotely complicated or interesting, it just turned into like a personal story or a, well, you know what I did do that was really great? Something that is completely irrelevant to your question. How about that? And did you know that they really sucked at that other thing that has nothing to do with the question you just asked? So yeah, it, it, it's so crazy of this moment that we live in, in history where we're not watching candidates, uh, with respect and with policy differences. And we get to see and hear and understand, okay, this is what they're going for. That's what they're going for. And then this is what it's far more nebulous and ambiguous. And we just really just have streaks of, of, uh, of sentiment. And only on that are we meant to rely our investment in the future, but it still goes into the tenant, if there's one thing that I really want to say, and it's, you know, choose the terrain, not the person, because ultimately you choose the person for your values and sometimes the person won't align with your values, but you can choose the terrain that you find that your values can best have a shot over time, which is why we're going blue, baby. Which is why I'm voting for Kamala Harris. This message was not paid for by the Kamala Harris campaign.
Pasha (2):
1:11:02 I just know that you're a Swifty deep down inside. I know that's why.
Davi:
1:11:06 Oh, I know. I was just thinking of her. I was just thinking of her. Well, I mean, you know, Donald's campaign also shot himself in the foot, basically saying, choosing a pop star and, and pop and pop stars, and then basically trying to align their music or literally their identity falsely, which they keep doing to themselves. And after the debate, it was high time. She literally said like, Hey guys, by the way, I'm voting for her, not for him. So
Pasha (2):
1:11:33 yeah,
Davi:
1:11:33 otherwise it'd be crazy. Like he claimed her vote and then she say nothing. So it was really reinforcing. It was a great moment to see someone with immense power. And apparently when she, within 24 hours of her declaring her vote for Kamala and encouraging. Uh, her fans and followers to, to vote the registration for vote, like vote. org on the site got a half a million boost of people that were registering. It matters so much. And I wish we could see more
Pasha (2):
1:12:06 of that. She has a crazy, crazy platform. I mean, we, we can even see that in the NFL numbers. Um, when she was going through the whole, uh, relationship thing with, So with that football player, uh, just attendance to, to NFL games on up. I mean, that's sort of the sway that she has. Um, the, what I would be interested in, in knowing as far as a vote. org is, is, uh, like how many of those people were of age Americans and not, Either really young people or, uh, people who are located outside of the United States, non US citizens. So are you saying how many of those people are actually
Davi:
1:12:53 qualified and eligible to vote?
Pasha (2):
1:12:55 Well, um, if, if we read the same headline, there was a huge surge in activity and there was a huge surge in, um, whatever, whatever that was, but I'm not sure it was all, uh, voting age, uh, Americans, if I'm not mistaken.
1:13:16 Yeah.
Pasha (2):
1:13:16 It was just a lot of traffic. Yeah. There was a, there was, there was a huge portion. Yeah.
Davi:
1:13:20 A lot of traffic. And presumably the majority of the traffic are qualified Americans to vote. And it isn't just a bunch of 13 year olds that are not qualified, or a bunch of people from Uzbekistan who are trying to influence the election. Like that's such a odd presumption of like, there was a lot of traffic in the voting site. Yeah, I bet most of them are unqualified to vote. Like why, how does one draw that conclusion? Or why does one draw that conclusion? Hold on a second. Hold on, I'm trying
Davi (2):
1:13:52 to bring it over to, I recorded more than.
Pasha (2):
1:13:57 All right, so 35, 000 registrations. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, a significant jump, um, but out of, out of the hundreds and hundreds of thousands, it was only 35, 000 registrations, which is, uh, which is good. Those are the people who probably wouldn't have registered otherwise.
Davi:
1:14:26 So a bunch of people went on the site, but a bunch of people didn't actually do anything on the site. They kind of just went on the site and they're like, I can't read right now.
Pasha (2):
1:14:35 No, I'm assuming it's just like 17 year old Dutch people went on and tried to fiddle around with it. There, there's okay. We're like, it was a, it was, it was a signal boost for sure. For sure. And it's, uh, uh, Yeah, one way or the other, it's the single most.
Davi:
1:14:54 And if it gets 35, 000 people to vote, I mean, that's a successful voting campaign. Yeah, very much so. Hell, it's, it's, it's, uh, a major change. If you get three people that weren't planning on voting to show up, like that's, you're doing your part. So if you had 35, 000 people to vote that weren't voting, that's amazing. Especially when voting is still not as. Prolific as it should be, not as widespread. I
Pasha (2):
1:15:27 mean, well, one last anecdote and then we can wrap this up. I saw some video of, um, there's like this, uh, this, this lady from like the, this beautiful young lady from Spain,
Pasha (4):
1:15:43 she was like, I am a young. I don't usually do the whole video thing because my English is so shit, but I want to say, I will go to all of these different countries and I travel all of the time and. the countries where I feel safe, there are no migrants. And so I cannot participate in the American elections, but for the safety of myself and my family, if I were you, I would vote for Donald Trump to keep the immigrants out. And I was like,
Pasha (2):
1:16:17 yo, just Spanish, uh, Voting interference, but no, it's funny. I'm seeing a lot of those videos that are just so God, they're just so crazy to watch. So crazy to watch. Um,
Davi:
1:16:36 or are they crazy to watch?
Pasha (2):
1:16:39 They're crazy to watch because people have such a narrow and myopic view of incredibly complex, uh, subjects that affect the lives of millions upon millions of people. We're talking about like the eradication of the Dreamers Act. We're talking about all these crazy, like immigration policies that as a, as blanket statements could, uh, be the destruction of like countless, Lives and livelihoods. And so to have a person who looks like a model who was like, felt unsafe for a split second, somewhere in like the ritzy part of Madrid, giving tips to Americans on how to vote. based on this one feeling that she had is crazy.
Davi:
1:17:37 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, isn't it nuts to the, the whole sentiment of like, Oh yeah, he's, well, first of all, he doesn't believe in climate crisis as like America's existential threat. He believes instead that there are, is these like the wash of the so called attack of people on the border, right? Nothing like a scapegoat of the most vulnerable population of people as them being the affront to the American fabric. Of democracy and, and potential wealth. And then furthermore, going into, and then we, we've already established right, the, the false story of the, of Springfield, Ohio, and the pets, which went viral and memes and stuff. And like we're all having a laugh and saying like, haha, hopefully people understand how crazy he is, but no. The, the impact of spreading that lie, which, which, uh, his vice president was quoted saying he created and then he peddled back and said, I meant, uh, I didn't create it. I just pushed it forward. I didn't create, but he literally said that, right? I created. And now you have bomb threats and, and schools that can't open and, and public office buildings that can't open and, and this fear and, uh, Due to people basically fighting back at the city controller for being like, Oh, he denied, um, like basically like, uh, Donald's administration says that this happened. And then like the city fact checks it. And it's like, uh, we ran the investigation. There's no credible source of this information happening. And then he's like, well, that's convenient. Next thing you know, you have all these people doing bomb threats at schools, basically saying like, uh, Like, oh, giving the finger to the city, right, to not let it function. And that's the effect that his xenophobia had, was actually causing, uh, fear and the, and the inability for people to live their lives just so that we can blame, you dysfunction on Haitian immigrants. And by doing that, he completely changed even normal Springfield Ohioans lives, that they couldn't even live, uh, normally just because of this created catastrophe. So it's just, we see so much of that. All of these catastrophes are created. And that's why I'm not voting right. That's why we can't vote, right, baby?
Pasha (2):
1:19:57 Look, man, it makes sense. Makes sense. So, um, I'm going to sign off by saying, if you do find videos on X, uh, that are incredibly, uh, uni dimensional, uh, just get off X and, and I don't know, read, go read Guns, Germs, and Steel. Maybe, I don't know. The Pentecostal Bible. Have yourself a nice martini.
Davi:
1:20:30 Yes.
Pasha (2):
1:20:32 Enjoy the
Davi:
1:20:33 Sunday. That's my favorite reading material on the monotony. That's right. All right, brother. Pasha, thank you very much. Dasvidaniya.
