No Bots, No Data Selling: Is Own App the Future of Social Media? | Amir Kaltak, CEO of Own App

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Welcome to another episode of A Funny Features, and today I'm happy to say I have guest Amir from Own App.
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Amir, welcome to the channel.
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Welcome to our podcast.
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Thanks, and thanks for having me here.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I was pointed out, uh, one of the team members here pointed out your website.
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And so I thought this topic would make a great guest for the show, great topic for the show.
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Uh so happy to have you on.
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So why don't we start?
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We always start with the easy question, and that is uh why don't you just do a brief introduction to yourself and then I'll get a that I'll do a follow-up question on uh sort of the origins of this new application.
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Oh, of course, I'd love to.
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So my name is Amir Keltak, and uh I'm originally from Bosnia, Europe, but now we are running our own app uh out of Austin, Texas, right here in the background.
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Um so I myself consider myself a uh lifelong learner, and I started uh working with computers uh as a kid in the 80s already, and um had a good exit in the 90s with a company that was developing algorithms for improving sound that came from analog into the digital domain, um, which was pretty cool.
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And um, as early as 2008, when Apple opened up the app stores for third-party developers, we were building um MVPs, prototypes, first versions, like in fast pace and see what sticks.
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Nothing really stuck.
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Some of them were promising, but too early for the time.
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Um, and then early in I went into decentralized systems, uh, blockchain technologies and everything to explore that tech and see how it can be utilized to build amazing applications for everyone out there to you know benefit in some way.
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Okay.
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And that led me to sum up a lot of uh core primitives technologies that I figured could be used to build something entirely new and exciting, something that would put you, the individual out there, into a position of actual sovereignty in terms of your personal data, in terms of your intellectual property that you create when you are a content creator, right?
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And then I figured why I why don't I take all this and I take then um an algorithm that I created to make it a meritocracy?
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And that was the next step.
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And the last and uh final step to have to the tech ready for own app was a new identity layer that secures your account, that no one can touch it, and it's gonna be extremely impossible, in my opinion, to even hack your account because it's based on a new identity system, the own ID.
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So these are the core technologies that we developed.
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It's the sum of my life's experience, I would say.
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Um and um it led to the own app.
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What it is, um, if you think of um TikTok or Instagram um and all the social media out there, you, my friend, are the product because their business is data and they control all the keys to that data.
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Meaning if you have millions of followers, they can just vanish overnight.
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You can be demonetized for no apparent reason, you uh can be banned for no apparent reason because you use maybe one wrong word.
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Um, and you lose all those years of hard work to gain the trust of your audience that started to follow you.
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And it was even worse on this platform.
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If you want to reach your audience that already follows you, right, if you have a million followers and you post something, well, maybe five to seven percent will see that post, unless you pay up with sponsored content.
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That means then you can reach 20 to 25 percent, maybe.
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And as we know, attention span is very short, and that means you don't reach everybody, but they already trusted you.
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So I thought, me and my co-founder Katya, she's running operations, I am the CEO and CTO of the of Own.
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Um, we thought that is all upside down, right?
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If I, as a person spend a lot of time on a network, first of all, I'm not getting paid.
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Nope.
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But they earn money with my data that they use then to target me to buy stuff where they earn money again and I still don't earn any money, right?
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Um, and then if I am a creator and I find a way to gather a massive audience, I am completely exposed to the whims and wills of these platforms.
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Sounds not fair.
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And it's not, and that's what we are doing at Own here to change all that.
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It's a new platform that is gonna make all that possible for you out there for the creator as the audience, for everybody to make a living, to give them the opportunity to find an audience, but also if you're within the audience and you're not creating and posting, right?
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Anything, you have no ambition, it's fine.
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You still will get paid for your engagement in the support of the other creators.
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Yeah, sorry, it was a bit of a data dump, but I hope you uh you understood a little bit a bit.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So um it has a lot to do with basically with privacy and and security of like your personal data, I would say.
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That's correct.
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That's correct.
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So um, if you download the own app, which is available for Android and iPhones, uh just put an own app into the search, you will find it.
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This is the logo.
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It's hard to miss that on the app stores, or you go to our website www.ownapp.co.
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So you will find that.
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And uh you will realize one thing: it's a very neat and simple user interface.
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You do not need to learn anything about technology or setting up private keys or none of that stuff.
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It's literally built for even the oldest members of our society so they can easily use it, right?
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You will feel very familiar with that.
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But underneath what the technology does, uh, the protocol running the entire platform and the algorithm and the security system, they protect you.
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They protect your privacy full on, they protect your ownership, that's why it's called own of your intellectual property.
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They protect the ownership of your social graph.
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That means you literally own who you follow and who follows you.
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All right, I cannot just take away your followers like any other platform.
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You are actually protected.
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And we are a free speech platform, but we do have rules.
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We do not allow criminal content, we don't allow um sexual content, pornography and the like.
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You know, there's enough of that out there.
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We don't need to support that here, right?
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But you can express yourself the way the laws in your country allow, right?
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So in the United States, the First Amendment, we hold very dear at own.
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Okay, now I'm an I'm a creator in one sense, not voluntarily or because I want to be, but because sort of the the business of a Fonny, you know, somebody's got to be out there talking about a Fonny.
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And so I create videos and I write articles and posts, and you know, I've got a team that then goes and posts that.
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Now, how could how could I, like if I run a tech channel and I want to educate people on cybersecurity, would your platform be something that would be appropriate for that?
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Absolutely.
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Um, you can just post videos on own or even photos, but you can also live stream.
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You can also add own to your whatever rig you use, OBS, for example, for multi-streaming.
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So you can stream onto own at the same time while you are streaming on, I don't know, Twitch, Kick, Rumble, YouTube, right?
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You can do it at the same time.
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You uh to any creator out there, you should definitely download OM, attach it to your to your OBS or your streaming system, whatever you use, right?
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And multi-stream on Own too and find your audience.
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And you might be surprised how organic it is, because of the technology, own it's impossible to run bot accounts on own.
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Yeah, I'm gonna repeat that.
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There are no bots on own, not in the comment section, not as an account holder, none of that.
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It's a true human experience on own.
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And uh you might that very refreshing because now your engagement is truly reflected by the audience, truly.
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Yeah, I've I've uh you know I've done a couple videos, for example, on crypto and the sort of the crossroads of cybersecurity and crypto, and those are always the ones where they just get these bots that just you know post sort of nonsense on them, and and uh reviewing a lot of different people's channels out there.
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Bots is a is a major issue.
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I've seen some channels that get you know 100,000 views on videos, and and uh and all the comments are bots.
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And uh it says a lot of fake channels, a lot of fake engagement.
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And so it's nice to hear that that uh you're able to control the bots on that.
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Um, this it sounds like this platform is also just let's say somebody's just interested in social media, they like they like the swiping, they like watching videos, and they just want to have more privacy and ownership, uh, what they're doing online.
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It sounds like it's good for that as well.
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For sure, for sure.
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We are uh just to clarify, not a crypto platform, right, at all.
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Yeah right.
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So we're not like some Socifi or some stuff like that.
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Um we are all our competitors that we identified is TikTok.
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It's that simple.
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We are a mainstream application, mainstream platform for everybody, essentially, not a niche for any industry and none of that stuff.
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It is uh if you go and own right now and you go through the feed, um, you will find all sorts of content from all over the world.
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Also, maybe uh interesting to mention if you are a content creator in the United States and uh you're posting, predominantly people within the United States are gonna see your content.
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Um, a big spill also goes to the Western Europe.
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So into kind of culturally adjacent regions which have a similar GDP.
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That's on purpose because the big platforms need um, you know, to convert ad spent into CPMs and all that stuff, right?
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And they identify, okay, we're just gonna focus on these countries and regions where we can earn the most money.
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Okay.
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So they exclude mostly content coming from outside of the United States in this case, right?
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From the African countries, Asian countries, uh, wherever, Latin America, right?
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Because it's not interesting to them.
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So it's just a small part that kind of spills into that.
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It's called content siloing.
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We don't do that at all.
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So you can start out as a content creator in the United States, and all of a sudden you might blow up in some country you might not never heard of before, you know, and find a huge audience over there with high engagement, right?
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So Own is truly a global platform with no siloing of content whatsoever, because we believe that we have to build more bridges here, especially in uh in at the current timeline here, what's happening in the world.
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People are building walls everywhere and silos and cultural silos, and then uh economic wars are starting, and the real wars are starting.
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I think that is um that is that is foolish for mankind to pursue on this path of uh segregation of cultures and identifying enemies left and right and center.
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What I think is politicians all across the world should do a better job in diplomacy and to find a way to work with even adversarial countries, right?
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Because the fact is it is a small world.
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And the fact is the global economy, the world's world says it, global.
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Okay, so whatever happens in in China, in any African country, it's connected to the United States.
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Everything is connected, supply chains, uh resources, everything.
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And so we cannot walk down this road here to segregate everything, to just uh placate uh labels on people that are enemies.
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Yeah, sure.
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Everyone is an adversary.
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If you're playing um at a at the draft before the drafts at the end for the NBA, right, every other player is your enemy, okay, because you want to win, you want to be the guy being picked by the bulls or whoever, right?
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So um that's okay, that's competition, and competition is good.
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It's it's natural.
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You know what I mean?
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Uh evolution is based on competition of uh the survival of the fittest.
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That's fine, but us doing what we do right now is foolish as uh as a whole in mankind of mankind and not just um the Western people, the mindset here.
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Every country you have racism and you have you know bigotry from left, right, and center.
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You would be surprised how racist the world actually is in general.
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It's not just the white guy, it's everywhere, right?
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And sure, we are the dominant culture right now, economically speaking, right?
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So that kind of falls back on white people more, but it is everywhere.
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So what I'm trying to say with this rant, we need to build more bridges, right?
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And the first bridge we should build is to hear or see what others are doing, because we might be surprised how similar we all are we all are, right?
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Because we only fear things that we do not understand, right?
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Um, you don't know what's in the in the basement, it's dark, you are afraid of going into the dark because you don't know what's there, right?
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You don't jump into unknown waters because you don't know what's in there, right?
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But once you know, you're not afraid anymore, right?
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So we need to build bridges in between us more than ever to calm down because it's pretty messed up out there right now.
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There's definitely a lot of foolishness going on, and uh, you know, two ways to help with integration is uh sharing data globally and and breeding globally and bring everybody together.
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So um but definitely a lot of fool foolishness uh going on that we have to deal with.
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Um, one thing that I love to focus on when I'm doing these uh sort of feature videos is the privacy part of it.
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And so one of the biggest fears of a lot of people that I talk to, a lot of people that call Fonny, because we're about securing people's mobile mobile service, about making their mobile usage as private as possible.
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And a lot of those people that we talk to are like, I don't want to use social media.
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I know they're collecting my data, I know they're selling it, I know that they're profiling me every time I use my phone, you know, Facebook's collecting that data.
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Is there how would you explain that to somebody who has that kind of fear, but they want to engage with people?
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And so it sounds like this might be the option for those people to finally be able to engage with people from around the world.
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Um, but how would how would you explain that to somebody that that had those fears?
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So anybody using or wanted to use Ifani being part of it, right, should definitely look into it on because it's absolutely um on the same on the same set of values, right?
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Okay, let me explain.
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If you are a user on own, you create an account, that account is protected with a dynamic private key, which by the way, um is not accessible anywhere.
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It recombines itself when you log in, when you make a transaction, when you do stuff.
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That is important.
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So anyone who tries to hack your account now it's uh gentic AI everywhere, and um AI is being used to hack everyone left, right, and center.
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That's why Anthropics um problems right now with their models, because they're terrific tools to uh identify vulnerabilities in systems and zero-day exploits and hack the systems, right?
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Um, all of Own is built on this dynamic private key, your own ID, right?
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Which is protecting your account, meaning the ownership and um access to your account, but also your personal information.
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Meaning, what I'm trying to tell you here is me myself, and I'm the creator of the system, right?
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I'm the CEO and CTO of the system.
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I cannot, I technically, in the technical sense, cannot take your personal information, take uh the messages in the own messenger, right?
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Read them out, analyze them with my AI systems, and or sell them to third parties uh as valuable data.
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I can't do it.
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No location data, none of that stuff.
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That's it.
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Meaning you are in total control of your account here, right?
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And so privacy is very important because privacy, there is there was an article I read a long time ago.
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Privacy is the most determining factor for happiness in life.
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You know, just think about if you walk down the street and everyone knew exactly who you are, exactly your past, exactly everything.
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We all make mistakes, right?
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All that stuff, your life would be hell on earth, right?
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So privacy is extremely important.
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So that's what we believe in, and that's what we're working for.
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And you're safe on own.
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That is what we promise, and we keep our promise because we can't even change it after the fact.
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What means assume own blows up huge.
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We have now six figures in users, it's amazing.
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We're just about to launch the main launch and all that stuff.
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Assume it goes to hundreds of millions of users or even a billion plus.
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Great, that's what we want to do, right?
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Even then, with that power, you know, given to me, I cannot change the rules anymore.
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Because guess what?
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Your private key, which I do not have, I can't ever recreate, right?
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Protects you.
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And I cannot just say, okay, now I'm gonna uh flip the switch and upside down is everything, and I'm gonna sell all that data and everything.
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I can't do it.
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And what I'm jokingly saying, but it's true.
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We build own to be emperor proof.
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No bullshit.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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It's I because another question that we'll get, and we'll and you know, I'll get asked, like, what do I think about this?
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And can they can they collect and sell my data?
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Um, one of the one of the common questions is is what happens if the federal government came and gave and gave you guys a subpoena, or I use this other application and the federal government came to my VPN provider.
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Uh like how would you respond to that kind of question?
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Like if you know if if the US government gave you a subpoena to say, like, we want to know more about this particular person, is that even is that guarded as well?
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Well, first of all, we as a as a company, an American company, and whichever country we we would be, we always are going to abide by the law.
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So a subpoena uh is coming from a judge that's signed off on this, right?
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All good.
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We will comply.
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And they will get access to everything that we can give access to.
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No problem.
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I'm gonna give them the keys to the kingdom, so to speak.
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Take a look, it's fine.
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Because it's a court order, you have to respect the law, you have to operate in on legal grounds always, of course.
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But the truth is, um, there are no backdoors, and you cannot implement any backdoors because um it's client-sided protected protection.
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That means the user who creates the account creates the private keys.
00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:12.559
Like, example, a Bitcoin wallet, right?
00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:18.880
Uh a cold-stored Bitcoin wallet, you have you're the only one having access to that wallet with those with that private key, so to speak, right?
00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:22.880
And no one can build a backdoor into it and to access your wallet, so to speak.
00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:28.240
It's similar in that way that we don't have that control, but we will abide by the law, of course, right?
00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.039
But also, same thing with us as well, yeah.
00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:32.799
Yeah, yeah, exactly, right?
00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.319
So um we will abide and we will comply because we have to.
00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:41.839
We're legally bound by it, by the laws of this country, but um, we can only give them that much, right?
00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:42.799
We can say, okay, good.
00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:54.960
But here's the thing I I think that this um this rat race uh for for a surveillance state, which is happening right now, yeah, uh is futile.
00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.480
Because here's the thing what you're doing essentially, you're just fighting the symptoms, okay?
00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.839
You don't go to the core issue of everything.
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.799
You know, if you have to ramp up security in that dimension to track everybody, right?
00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:15.920
You are making massive mistakes on the way to that until that point, which means um fix the society, make people prosper.
00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:20.000
And there is a direct correlation between prosperity and crime rates, you know what I mean?
00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:25.039
It's like look at Singapore or any other country that is quite wealthy, right?
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Or I don't know, South Korea, right?
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Crime rates are negligible.
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There's almost no crime.
00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:33.680
Or Japan, right?
00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:40.160
So if you make your if you make your citizens prosper, you will have very low crime rates.
00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:46.559
You will have no no crazy people who commit hideous terrorist attacks and harming people, right?
00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.920
Um, that is the problem, man, the root cause, right?
00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.640
But now you don't give a rat's ass about your citizens.
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They all go broke.
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They're all 70% of all Americans, 70% can't lay their hands on a thousand dollars cash right now.
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:04.079
That's insane.
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:14.319
Okay, they have overdrafted massive credit card dabs in the trillions combined, and now you are ramping up surveillance and everything and saying, oh yeah, there's there's the dangerous people.
00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:15.039
You know what?
00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:16.400
You made them, okay?
00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:22.559
So fix your country, make um uh, in this sense, America first, right?
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.759
Because this country is an amazing, it's the best country in the world, I'm telling you.
00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.279
And I've been many places, right?
00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:34.079
It is the best country in the world and has the potential to be the lighthouse of mankind, but it has a lot of work to do.
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So fix your uh problems on the bottom.
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Make people prosper, even just basics.
00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.480
Not everyone's gonna be a millionaire, right?
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.680
Fix them first, yeah, and then you won't need as much surveillance.
00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:48.799
Yeah, and not everybody wants to be a millionaire.
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:50.480
People just won't want that.
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They don't want they want privacy, they want security, they want to know that they can pay their bills.
00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:02.240
And uh and if that can happen, then uh yeah, crime rates go down and And uh I'm all for that.
00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:19.519
I I I'm I can honestly like say that I am not a big fan of like what the UK is trying to do with the the whole ID for everything and the surveillance and I'm sure there's five people listening to that thinking to themselves, well how would you how do you avoid that?
00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:26.559
And then is it will it get to the point where like a company like yourself where you might say like okay, we're just not gonna support the UK.
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:48.079
You know, there's right now there's like secure phones where they're now talking about they're just not gonna support California because California wants to be able to get into people's phones and and you and so you got uh communities like Graphene OS type secure phones where those phone providers basically are saying, like, well, we're just not gonna support California.
00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.039
And I don't know if that's something that you have to be concerned about.
00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:56.799
Uh I mean as of now, we we are operative in the UK too.
00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.880
We haven't heard from the authorities or anybody for any requests or anything because we're still too small, right?
00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:08.319
You're not yet relevant in that sense that you're you know a massive megaphone for people, right?
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.720
But surely uh something like that will come around and they will make the demands.
00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:19.200
The worst case is that we're just gonna say, okay, fine, we're not gonna be deploying in the UK anymore if you really go that hard.
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:33.599
Because I believe that um all this that's happening right now in the UK and everything, um, and in the United States to some extent too, but it's harder to be here because we have those beautiful amendments, you know, and uh and those amendments are protecting us.
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.160
They're not that easy to change without completely wrecking society, right?
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:43.279
So that's good, but the rest of the world doesn't have free speech, for example.
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.359
Yeah, as a matter of fact, it's the opposite.
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:52.319
Uh, in Germany, uh, where I lived as a kid in the 80s, and uh UK and in France, you can there is no free speech.
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:52.960
You know what I mean?
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:59.119
There's literally laws in that you can't insult a head of state or something like that, or criticize to some extent.
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It's literally the opposite, right?
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.119
Uh and they call themselves democracies.
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:04.240
That's bullshit.
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.400
You know, you're not a democracy if you don't allow free speech.
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:07.440
You're not a democracy.
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:15.839
Because if you cannot criticize the top, right, for their failures and their uh bad deeds, you're not in a democracy, man.
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:17.200
Uh, it's that simple, okay?
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:23.279
You were in whatever, as some technocraci slash wannabe fascist system, okay?
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:24.400
That's what you are.
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:29.119
Okay, and uh, even though you think, oh no, we have all the liberties, we have a good standard of living.
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.799
Well, yeah, but uh more and more is going to be taken away from that.
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:39.279
And UK is leading the charge here, um, together with Australia, too, and I think New Zealand is not far behind.
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:53.200
Um, I don't know what to tell you about this, man, but I think it's futile to attempt that because all you do, you're trying to bottle up a fast um, fast growing keg of problems, right?
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:58.000
Which is going to erupt one day, and you will have problems on your hands that you can't foresee.
00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.440
And you don't want that.
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:07.200
You want to have a stable society, you want to have a somewhat prosperous um, you know, uh economy for people to make a living to be cool.
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:13.119
Because all people want is to raise their kids, get them to school, not to fear that something might happen to them, right?
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:14.480
And have a somewhat stable job.
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.200
As you said before, no one wants to be a millionaire and it's fine.
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:17.920
You know what I mean?
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:18.400
It's okay.
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:29.200
Not everyone is ambitious uh uh and everything like that to be, but the baseline has to be given that people can just live out their lives in somewhat in a peaceful manner, right?
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.960
And UK is gonna face a lot of problems doing what they do here.
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.759
Um, I don't think they're gonna um get away with all this.
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:43.440
But the problem is, and you brought up an important point here, there is there is a no point of no return that's coming quite fast.
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:52.640
And if that point of no return uh passes, um it's gonna be almost impossible to reverse um that digital ID and all that stuff.
00:25:52.720 --> 00:26:15.920
Because once your actual money, your paycheck, everything is tied to your biometrics and um is tied in a central bank digital currency that can be programmed, so making your money render it useless or restrict what you can use your money for, or who you can give money to, which country, like the full control of your wallet, so to speak, by the by the government, right?
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:19.839
Once that happens, uh the realities are kicking in.
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.200
Now you have a system that's operating on that baseline, right?
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.559
On this MO, and uh you can't just change it.
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:31.119
And the only way to change that would be horrific, a revolution or something like that, but people get harmed.
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:32.880
No one wants that, okay?
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.480
And um, so we have a point of no return approaching pretty fast.
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:47.440
And I'm just hoping um the British are waking up real fast and elect people in a democratic way, you know, that are against this stuff, right?
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:56.000
Because it ain't gonna be funny if you are living in a total surveillance state where you really can't say nothing anymore.
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.240
That's gonna be again impossible to change the powers that be, right?
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:05.359
I used to love going to the UK, and right now I tell people I don't even want to step foot in the UK.
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:18.480
I just don't feel like uh I, you know, like I'm secure, I don't feel like uh I'm afraid that I I I guess I'm too forward and too honest, and that kind of scares me that uh I might say something.
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:32.400
Um I think you're right that there's certain parts of the world that are at that edge of point of no return when you're protecting certain people, and then uh how do you go backwards on that?
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.240
It's gonna be nearly impossible.
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.519
But uh the whole digital currency thing is something I'm very familiar with.
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:47.519
So I'm I'm I I fear like money expiring, having expiration dates on it, you know, spent by this point, or it's gonna or it's just expires, it just disappears.
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:54.640
Uh be able to tax money sitting in people's uh wallets without them even having any control.
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.240
And uh a lot of things you can do with digital currency.
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:10.240
Yeah, that's why you know I'm I'm a big supporter of Bitcoin, not in the sense because I'm buying it because I think it's in a skyrocket, just more in the sense of you can't freeze Bitcoin.
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:11.599
At least not yet.
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:22.720
Now I want to get back to your platform, uh, just because there's a couple things that I want to make sure that I understand, because now I'm interested in it.
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.680
And and I'm probably gonna tell the the Fani team that um hey, we should just try and post.
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:43.519
Because one of the nice things about sort of the newer platforms is the earlier you get on, you can you can gain traction and get some authority there, and then as people are all the new people are joining and you become a trend, then you're you're out in front of people.
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.920
And so that's one thing that interests me.
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:57.839
Um the other couple questions I have is you mentioned TikTok, and so you know, creators will go if they're starting out, they want to create some videos on TikTok and they're trying to make things go viral.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:04.079
And how how do you monet how is how do you monetize the users?
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:16.960
And then how do people that want that are creators like let's say somebody's got what a channel, like a travel channel, and they're doing it on YouTube and they're doing it on Rumble or Instagram.
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.319
Now they hear about this program or your platform.
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:21.839
How would they monetize?
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.839
How would it be different than the other, like a TikTok or a YouTube?
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.000
Great question.
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.240
I'm gonna get to the monetization.
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.880
I'm just gonna explain how the algorithm works.
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.079
So on own is running in weekly cycles.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.559
So everything is like a social media platform, right?
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.039
From Sunday to Sunday is one cycle.
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.279
So on a Sunday at 8 p.m.
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:52.000
Eastern Time US, the algorithm resets, which means you keep your account, your followers, the earnings, everything stays, of course, right?
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.279
You're not resetting your account, but the algorithm goes blind again.
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.640
What does it mean?
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:09.599
It means on Sunday, 8 p.m., you as a complete starter, like you have no followers at all, you compete with a 50% chance, 50-50 against the established big creators on the platform.
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:18.559
That means in that moment, the content posted, right, after the reset goes into a seating stage and is feeding the predictive model of the algorithm itself.
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:29.839
And if your content is funnier, better, more inspiring, that that content of an established big creator with millions of followers, you will outrank them in the ranking system.
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.400
You will get more distribution into the feeds of everybody at the same time.
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.480
So it's a meritocracy.
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:37.680
And that's the thing.
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:48.960
On any other platform, if you start out today on TikTok, on YouTube, wherever, right, you stand almost non-existing chance to build a massive audience in anytime soon.
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.799
Maybe after 10 years, if you're really, really working hard and persistent, right?
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:54.400
And really working hard.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:54.880
Maybe.
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.440
On own, it can happen immediately, essentially, right?
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:06.640
That you, if you have this fresh idea, you're you have this amazing mindset, you have this incredible workout technique or a new way to do your lashes, whatever it is, right?
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.400
It can blow up immediately.
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.440
Because on own, there is no narrative control of the algorithm.
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:16.480
I cannot influence the algorithm because the tech I explained before, you can't do it.
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:26.160
It's an independent, zero-narrative system that I cannot push a button, say this week or the next two weeks, we're going to push this subject, uh topic that is out there in the world right now.
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:27.440
I want to have this everywhere.
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:28.400
I can't do it.
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:29.680
And I don't want to do it.
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.400
I want to see the zeitgeist in real time, what's really happening, what people really enjoy.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:43.599
So that gives you everybody on the starts on own whenever, wherever and whenever you start, a real fighting chance to go up, blow up, and make money.
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:44.799
Now, how do you make money?
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:55.039
The first thing we're rolling out in eight weeks, demonetization, which is exciting to us because on one side is if I am watching Mark live streaming, posting, and everything on own, right?
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:03.359
His videos, I can send you gifts, similar to TikTok, which is a massive successful system sending gifts, donations, tips, whatever you want to call it.
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:09.759
I can in-app supply myself as a supporter with Sparks, that's our in-app currency, which is real money.
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.359
It's just a different denomination and different numbers, but it's actually real money.
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.359
And I can send it to Mark because I like him.
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.880
I'm going to send him Sparks in the value of$10 just now because he's so cool.
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:30.079
Mark gets those sparks into his own wallet in his revenue uh overview and can just push one button and withdraw all that into his bank account as US dollars.
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.759
That's the first way.
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:42.480
The second part is the audience, if I'm now supporting Mark and I'm spending a lot of time watching his content and I'm just really engaging and all that stuff, putting a lot of comments out there, everything, right?
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:50.160
Not only can anybody tip, donate, or gift me sparks and money onto my comment.
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.359
Sometimes we see comments with 10,000 likes somewhere, right?
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.759
The person who wrote a comment never sees a dollar.
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.960
But it costs a lot of engagement, right, for the platform, right?
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:00.880
We are paying you for your comments.
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.079
If if you make someone's day, they can give you money on the comments, number one.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.079
But also, a part of the own revenues goes into a weekly pool.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.799
And on the Sunday reset that I mentioned, right?
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:18.079
Everybody, the audience, the more you engaged, the more you supported creators, the more you will be paid as well.
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:19.039
Yes.
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:26.559
So our business model is not data, like everyone else out there from YouTube Plus, everything is data and advertisement, right?
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:33.039
Tracking you, selling the advertisements, the data, and they track you down and they send the stuff into the feed.
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.119
So we won't have advertisement in the feed ever.
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.079
That's number one.
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.839
No, it's not our business model.
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:44.400
Our business model is true support and true engagement towards the creators, towards the audience in both ways.
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.559
And that is very, very new.
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:55.839
Okay, now when I'm if I'm a new user, like I after this, when we're done here, if I go create an account and I I won't have any sparks.
00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:03.839
So how would do I earn, do I have to like post and then I earn sparks, or can you can you purchase sparks or trade for sparks?
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.000
Yeah, good question.
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:14.079
So the way it works, if you post something and we're activating monetization in eight eight weeks, okay, it's gonna be the wallet is gonna be introduced, the sparks are gonna be introduced.
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.559
So this you guys are hearing it here very early.
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.079
It's like a sneak peek into it.
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.519
We haven't even announced it publicly on anything, press release or social media.
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.239
We haven't done that.
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.719
So actually, you're the first I'm publicly talking about this.
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:25.199
It's funny.
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:26.159
Perfect time.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:27.760
No, this is great.
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:36.639
Um, so if I am a uh user and I see your content on and I want to support you, uh, all I need to do is go into the own wallet and I can say get sparks, right?
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:43.840
And I just use my Apple Pay or my Google Pay, whatever you have, Android iPhone, and um I buy Sparks, right?
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.000
And now I can use them for a lot of stuff on the platform.
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:54.960
We're starting with uh gifts and everything towards creators because I know if I engage and I and I send stuff to creators, I'm also gonna be earning at the weekly reset.
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.679
I'm gonna get a bonus payout as a audience member, right?
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.119
That's number the first step.
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:08.960
And later on, it's gonna be more because we're gonna introduce own shops next uh Q1 next year, meaning people can sell uh products and services in there, I can use Sparks for that, right?
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.079
I can I will be able to use Sparks because they're real money, right?
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.159
For anything that we offer on the platform.
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:15.679
So for subscriptions, right?
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.199
You want to have exclusive content from some creator that is going to be allowed to, or I want to sponsor you.
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:30.800
For example, um, if Mark is a great creator and he's on brand with what my companies say um is doing here, we love Mark because he's on brand.
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:31.519
Okay, cool.
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:46.800
What we can do is when Mark is trending high and ranking high in the ranking page, right, all the way to the top, and he's in everyone's feet because it's going viral, like super crazy, I can say, hey Mark, I'm gonna send you sparks in a value of$10,000 to sponsor you.
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:48.960
And Mark is gonna be like, Wow, this is pretty cool.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.840
All right, I'll take it.
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:55.599
What it means is he takes now sparks in a value of$10,000, they go to your wallet immediately, right?
00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:05.920
And my badge, like for my account as the company, let's say I'm whatever, I'm a fashion brand, for example, goes into the top corner of your content.
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.320
So I'm piggybacking on your popularity.
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:17.519
It's it's a form of advertisement, but it's done in a way that you uh like what I am standing for as a as a company selling a product or service, right?
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.079
And we like you too because you're on brand for us.
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.679
We love your content, right?
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:26.480
And also it's not obfuscating and spamming the feed with a lot of big advertisement full screen.
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:33.679
No, it's in a corner sponsored by like when you watch the Joe Rogan show and oh, oh, or whatever, perplexity or whatever they're always mentioning, right?
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:40.480
They're name-dropping the products they like actually, and they identify themselves with, and they are piggybacking on their success.
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.519
And that is another way which you can which you can use to make revenue and make a living on your own.
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:58.480
Oh, if you're we only we only take we only take 30, we only take 30% uh instead of um you know uh uh you know like 80% or 50%, we only take 30% cut as a platform.
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:03.119
The majority of the of the money of the of the gross revenue goes to you guys.
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:19.840
Okay, so it sounds like if somebody's been thinking about being a content creator, but yet they don't want to join YouTube and be in the mini, you know, be a um have to deal with all the competition there, that this would be a perfect platform for that brand new content creator.
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:31.599
Now, what if so for example, let's say I have 50 tech videos, they're already built, they're already posted on YouTube, and I can just reuse them and create my own account and then and then move those over.
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:40.239
So is there any with like with YouTube and the other platforms, you have to worry about how many you post per week, right?
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.440
You want to post like Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 9 a.m.
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.400
and you you don't want to take 50 videos and just post them.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:53.599
Is there any kind of algorithm that deals with the timing of like when you post and how often and things like that?
00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:00.559
Like what would the what is the algorithm like just at a high level, just yeah, yeah.
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.760
Um in its baseline, it's a predictive model, right?
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:13.760
That um is taking the true organic response from the audience to your content and creating and assigning it a so-called merit score because it's a meritocracy, the whole thing.
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.280
But I'm not gonna go too deep into that stuff, but to your posting rate.
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:33.199
Um I mean, generally speaking, um the more you post, right, the more times that new content is going to be seeded and is gonna get a shot to be evaluated by the true organic response of the audience and might pick up and trigger.
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.840
So in the beginning, I would definitely recommend to post um your spectrum, right?
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:44.960
Everything that you do from A to Z, the spectrum of your content, from whatever um hard to whatever soft or whatever you do, right?
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:53.519
To figure out, okay, what type of um which of these kind of silos that I have here on my spectrum of content, right, is kind of hitting the mark more.
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.079
So I would definitely recommend that, right?
00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:02.960
But once here's the thing the way the system works, if you have posted 10 videos and they are also visible in your profile in your gallery.
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:09.360
So I can go to your account to do your profile, I can see like a slimmer to Instagram then, and you can see all the content in there, right?
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:22.480
Um the algorithm is gonna do the following the one piece of content from your 10 pieces that you uploaded, right, that performs the best towards the audience, which the algorithm automatically determines based on its workings, right?
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.079
It's gonna be automatically picked, right, and pushed.
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:26.880
Boom.
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.400
So that's pretty cool because now you don't have to worry too much about like, okay, I have to uh reiterate stuff.
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:32.880
No, no.
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:33.920
Just put it all out there.
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:42.880
Post like every day, one, two things, for example, uh, through the entire week, the next week, and then it's filling, filling up in your in your in your gallery, right?
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:57.679
And the algorithm already knows, okay, cool, this is the true organic response for that piece of content, and it's gonna pick that one, even if you posted it two weeks ago, it's gonna pick that one and it's gonna cut to put it up there, which is awesome because it essentially does the A-B testing for you.
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:09.920
Yeah, so so we're if anyone's listening to this, we're recording this on July 2nd, or at least July 2nd for me anywhere, where I'm at at this particular day.
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:14.800
And uh and I want to give my own team time enough to get like 10, 15 videos on your platform.
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.400
We'll probably post this in uh probably around the 12th or 13th.
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:23.599
Um, but it's and and at that time we'll have you're saying eight weeks from now.
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:30.000
Um so by the time we post this, it'll be more like six, six and a half weeks left.
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:35.679
So if you're listening to this, you have six and a half weeks to try and put yourself in place.
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.719
Uh, I have a feeling that when you make these kind of announcements, that there's gonna be a pretty big trend in people joining the program.
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:49.519
And uh and so get your content you know on there, and I'm definitely gonna um ask our team to do that.
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.000
And then I've I I've got my own little travel channel I pray around, sort of like practice.
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.400
Um and and so I have fun like posting videos, so maybe I'll have my own on there.
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:10.800
But uh definitely if you're listening to this, um go to own, see if you can find the Ufani channel on there, see if my team uh was able to to create a channel and and and uh and follow the Afani channel.
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:22.239
Uh is there anything about your platform that I haven't asked about that you you would want, like you get let's say you get one, two, three, four questions and you have to answer them over and over and over.
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.679
Is there anything that I've missed that you would want people to know?
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:35.360
Uh you've done a pretty good job, uh definitely, for me to to get across the most important things in here.
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.599
Um you mentioned something that is actually true.
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:44.960
Um, the earlier you get on a new platform, a social platform, all right, the more successful you will be.
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.599
Why?
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.440
Well, if you think about TikTok, massive success.
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:59.599
All the big TikTokers, the massive, the biggest one of them, there were absolute nobodies when TikTok launched the United States and kind of blew up during COVID in 2020 plus, right?
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.480
There were nobodies.
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.480
They had 50 followers in the beginning, right?
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:09.199
But because they started early, as you pointed out, it's like compound interest on your bank account, right?
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.039
It's like literally going exponential.
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.079
So you start with 50 followers and you're like, this is nothing.
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:18.559
Wait, the platform picks up, you know, your 50 followers, right?
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.920
Well, in two, three years could be tens of millions, right?
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:27.599
Because of that effect of a new platform that everyone has a fighting chance to establish themselves, right?
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:35.920
And on top of it, the way the algorithm resets and gives you a fighting chance against no matter how big somebody is, every Sunday you have a fighting chance.
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.079
You can repeat that all the time.
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:47.920
So we build a platform in a way that is distilling the best content out there, the best message, the most beautiful inspiration, and the funniest guy, right?
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:55.360
And for you to monetize immediately, and also monetization in the first week of August is um aimed in 2026.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:05.039
Um, you do not have to meet any minimum requirements, meaning having so and so many followers already, subscribers, right, or so many views already, so many whatever.
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:05.920
None of that.
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.639
You you monetize, everyone monetizes from the ground up.
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.920
If it's just five dollars in that cycle, it's five dollars, right?
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.920
Um, so that's also pretty good.
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:21.440
And do we do have a creative program for serious creators who have to apply for it, where who get a bit more support on stuff like that.
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:41.920
That is uh something, but it still doesn't change the fact that the algorithm is zero narrative control, which means you are always free and safe on own to build your future, to support your company, to sell your products without any repercussions of us, the platform, and who are we to tell you how to think, how to speak?
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:42.719
Who are we?
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:50.159
The only thing I have is the responsibility to create a safe space, uh a safe platform to use for you guys, and I have to stand back.
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:55.599
My personal opinions, whether politically, culturally, religiously, who cares?
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.280
It has no place on a platform.
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.880
My responsibility is to you to be safe, to prosper.
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.920
And my personal opinion as running the platform, I have to shut up and just do my job.
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:14.400
Yeah, and anyone listening to this, if you if you want to create content, you want it you want to start before Gary V mentions.
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:15.199
That's right.
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:23.199
And instead you need to go unowned, because uh once he once he says something about the platform, then you gotta join really, really quick.
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:33.039
So it's a platform where you can you you get added privacy, there's no back door for uh entities to to to to uh go after you.
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:39.519
You uh it's it sounds like it's much more fair to the users and uh a great place to start.
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:49.519
And so, like I said, I'm gonna task the Afoni uh team to to go ahead and create an account there and see how it goes and you know really appreciate you coming on.
00:44:49.599 --> 00:45:01.920
I I anything that has to do with like privacy, protection of people, uh you know, there's a lot of people out there that they want to engage with people, but they just don't because of the the data collection and and the backdoors.
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:07.440
And you know that face I we all know Facebook's got backdoors and everywhere.
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.760
Uh WhatsApp, everything is compromised.
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:10.400
Everything.
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.400
I mean, uh last chart.
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:24.079
Uh just guys go to ownapp.co um or go to to uh x twitterx um at own app underscore.
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.880
Same own app underscore for Instagram, find information, follow us everywhere, right?
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:29.760
Learn about it.
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.760
Go to the app store, download own app.
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:32.960
This is the logo.
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:39.760
It's a cool um you know turquoise blue um button and uh join us.
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.280
And there's already a hundred thousand who joined the beta, which is kind of crazy.
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.960
We didn't do no advertisement, no nothing, and all of a sudden a hundred thousand.
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:54.480
I just expected 5,000 people to have enough users to you know reiterate the platform doing the beta test to fix bugs and all that stuff, right?
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.880
But a hundred thousand downloads just like that.
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:57.840
It's crazy.
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:04.159
So yeah, no, join join the new age of social media where you are not the product anymore.
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:26.239
Yeah, I'd imagine there's probably you know a million plus uh old Steam users just waiting for a platform like yours to move over as that platform lost steam, and uh and uh it sounds like you're a major upgrade to sort of what what they were doing and uh and what TikTok's doing.
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.400
And so um I'm looking forward to learning more about it.
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.440
I appreciate having on.
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:39.280
But if you can just stick out or stick around for a couple more minutes, we'll go ahead and I'm gonna close off the recording and then I've got a couple more questions for you.
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.000
Uh but thanks a lot for coming on.
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:43.760
Thank you for having me.