Exploring Atheism: Believing vs Seeking

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Hello and welcome to Don't Catch That Shit. I'm your host DK and today we are
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going to discuss about another very important topic and the topic is Atheism.
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If we look at what is Atheism then we need to get into the depth of the subject.
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What it means by being an atheist,
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how an atheist looks at the world,
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what is the narrative of an atheist towards the entire world,
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towards how everything functions, about the nature,
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and we would
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get to know a lot of things about why do people become atheists and why they
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are not believing in something which we often call as higher powers or God or some divinity.
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This philosophy of atheism is nothing new. It has been there in ancient time as well.
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If we look at the history of Bharat, then we'll come to know that this atheism
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is not the modern age philosophy or modern age perspective of looking at the world.
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Even in the era of the ancient Indian civilization,
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He used to have a lot
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of people who used to be having
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atheism as their perspective of
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looking at the world So it's nothing new But over the period of time it has
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transformed into something which is very dangerous In today's era,
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it has taken a shape where it has become kind of a very negative perspective about the world.
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This atheism is about looking at the world from the perspective that this world is working on its own.
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If you ask an atheist, like who is running the whole world, then the atheist
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will typically say that this world is working on its own.
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And they will say that everything came on its own.
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They will cite the example of like wind is flowing on its own.
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The rain is happening on its own
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at max they will give some scientific reasons
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of rain coming or wind blowing
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so they would not be ready to
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accept that there is some higher intelligence behind working off all these things
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they won't be having any kind of belief any kind of notion of someone or something
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is behind the functioning of the whole universe,
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so they would not give any kind of credit to any kind of higher intelligence
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behind the working of this universe.
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So this is the main crux of atheism, they do not believe in some higher powers,
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some entity who is running the show.
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And there is a reason behind that.
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The reason behind being an atheist is that an atheist looks at the world from
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the perspective of the five senses.
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So if you
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look at an atheist perspective they say
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that that I would believe
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in what I can see what I can
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feel what I can have a tangible notion
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about it and if you
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ask an atheist that if
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there is any kind of concept of soul
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or atma or if there is any kind of notion of a deity or of a divine power then
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their argument is that they don't want to believe in anything that they cannot feel,
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that they cannot touch that they cannot
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verify through the mechanism that
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they have in their hand so that is one thing that they often rationalize about
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the existence of some higher power because from their perspective they cannot
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see god they cannot see some divine power they cannot see some higher intelligence.
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And since they cannot see it, they would like not to believe in that and that
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is fine to some extent that unless until you experience it,
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unless until you see that you would not want to believe in that experience and
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if it is the experience of someone else they would want to deny that also.
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They would reject that if someone comes and tells them,
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that this is their experience about higher intelligence,
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about divinity, about God or about some high powers experience of trance and
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how if someone would tell them about the out-of-body experience or some experience
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of some different dimension,
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they would not believe in that also.
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Because if they believe in that, if they would accept that, then atheism will be gone.
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Because then in that case, they would have to accept that there is something
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beyond this dimension of body and mind or physical dimension,
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then they will have to start accepting some other dimension which is beyond
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the dimension of physical dimension.
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So that is one thing that the problem lies when they would reject something
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without inquiring about that.
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Problem is not that you don't want to believe in something. It is perfectly all right.
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In fact, nobody should believe in something
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unless until it is their own experience but if
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you reject something because you did not have an
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experience about that and the bigger problem
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is that you don't even want to experience something that
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is not to be experienced through
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the five senses and you don't want to
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put effort into that and those who are putting the efforts
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to know some higher dimensions the spiritual dimension the
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dimension which is beyond the body and mind
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mechanism they would ridicule that as well so you don't want to put an effort
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in knowing something which is beyond the dimension of physical dimension at
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the same time you would not appreciate those who are putting the efforts to know that.
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And they are having their own experience of a spiritual dimension.
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So atheism has this big problem that they are stuck, they are stagnant.
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They believed in non-existence of something.
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Though they blame others about believing in something, but they themselves believe
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in non-existence of some higher dimension, non-existence of some entire intelligence.
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So their belief is right, what they believe into is right, the non-existence.
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But someone else's belief of existence of something is wrong.
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So that is contradiction here.
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And the problem lies not about believing or not believing.
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The problem lies that how much effort do you put into that?
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Why don't you try yourself?
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But they don't want to get into that as well.
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So if you put some effort to know a dimension behind the working of this physical
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dimension, you would not be appreciated by these people.
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You are simply someone who
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is having a blind faith they don't
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want to understand that there is a mechanism to reach the dimension which is
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not visible dimension and no matter how scientific that dimension could be the
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seeking of spiritual dimension is given in Indian context,
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in a spiritual context.
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There are a lot of methods, step-by-step methods by which you can experience
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a dimension which is beyond the physical dimension but they don't want to study that.
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They don't want to get into that kind of thing. They would simply say that whatever
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is not comprehended by the five senses, by their limited body-mind mechanism does not exist.
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So, for them, this higher intelligence, this higher power called God does not adjust.
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Even the Indian spirituality would often start with this attitude of not believing in something.
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Even I would say that you stop believing in anything. But that doesn't mean
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that you stop seeking something.
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Not believing something is perfectly alright. But not seeking that is not alright.
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That's where the problem with atheism lies. so
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it's very easy to deny the
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existence of something that you cannot experience it's
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very easy to say that oh i
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cannot experience it i cannot see the god i
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cannot see some higher dimension i cannot see your devas
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your devis i cannot see which kind
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of higher energy you're talking about you cannot
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see the subtle energies through your five senses
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there are ways there are
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ways there are methods there are practices that leads you towards experience
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of subtle dimension which is beyond the physical dimension but instead of seeking
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that instead of having those kind of affairs,
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you would want to deny that.
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That is something where your rigidness comes into picture.
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You are not flexible enough to accept that there are things which are beyond
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the dimension of physical dimension.
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There are a lot of things which are working behind this visible universe.
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So if you would talk to them about the notion of consciousness,
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the Chitna, that is also referred as soul.
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They would not want to understand beyond the mechanism of functioning of brain,
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for them everything is mind, but they would not accept this mind is also a conditioned consciousness,
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and to reach to a consciousness which is not conditioned.
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There are ways to reach to that experience of having pure consciousness,
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but they would want to deny that
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so my my
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advice to these people is that instead of denying the
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existence of something that you not believe in you
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try to get into the shoes of someone else who is putting their effort into knowing
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something which exists but you can't see that your physical eyes cannot see subtle things.
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Your instrument cannot capture the dimensions which are working behind these physical dimensions.
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That doesn't mean that dimension does not exist.
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Instead of using this approach of rejecting anything that does not fit in your
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framework of understanding,
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you should start understanding the framework that has been led by or ancestors,
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the sages, the rishis, the gurus who have worked on these frameworks who have
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given the proper path the yogic system,
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the tantras and so many other things by which seekers and sanatana,
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dharma, the practices a lot of practices are there where people have gone beyond
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the body and mind mechanism.
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They have reached to the experience of pure consciousness,
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which is beyond this limitation of five senses, this limitation of having a
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perception through your emotions, through your thoughts, your capacity to judge and discriminate,
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evaluate things.
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And these are the subjective judgements, the subjective experience,
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because your mind is conditioned through your own individuality.
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But when you go beyond that, when you transcend your mind, you reach to consciousness,
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to Chaitanya, which is pure, unconditioned by this limited sense of body and mind of five senses.
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Next time when you have this deep urge of rejecting theism,
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rejecting the existence of some
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higher powers why don't you help
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us rethink about that and
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try to understand why so many spiritual seekers why they are putting efforts
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to know something and how do they feel bliss out of that how do they find a meaning in that path,
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why do so many people from many decades from the time era of Ramayana Mahabharata
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in this current age also why are so many people they are behind this spiritual
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experiences there has to be something.
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If it is not your experience, then it is not an experience. So stop living in that denial.
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Stop living in the denial that if the God is there, then why don't He come and show,
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You know, atheists always say that if the God is there, why the God is not appearing?
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They need to understand the concept of God in the spiritual context.
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The notion of God is not like a figure who would come in front of you and who
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would like come and say that, oh, I'm God and like that.
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If the God comes in front of you, and then you all will stop working and you
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know, just try to be with the God alone.
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That is not the right way of approaching the creation.
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In this mentalistic dimension, there are a lot of ways in which the whole existence is functioning.
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And the whole existence is functioning with the notion of creation,
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maintenance and sustenance.
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The whole nature is so intelligent. the whole nature knows how to sustain itself
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how to get into the creation and then sustenance and the resolution of something
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that is not needed this highly intelligent nature has not come from some void,
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it has come from something which
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is highly intelligent it has to come that way if the entire solar system is
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functioning in a way that the earth itself is like a ball and the whole solar
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system is functioning so intelligently.
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Even if, let's say, you have to lift something, you have to move one ball from
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here to there or pick a bottle and
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put it somewhere else, then there is a thought that comes in your mind.
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For just these small small actions.
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Behind every action there is some thought.
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Right, you choose to do something, behind these actions, your mind is working.
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Right, all these activities are happening through you, through your mind.
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Now, imagine that if such a vast universe is functioning, and it is functioning
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in a very highly intelligent way,
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if the earth is moving around sun, also it is moving on its own axis,
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then there has to be some thought behind it, some highly intelligent mind behind it.
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We call that as higher dimension, we call that as higher intelligence,
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and we refer to that as God.
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If you understand it that way, that such highly
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intelligent things do not exist in random
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okay you need to understand that
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if you have a close eye to observe
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this nature then you would come
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to know that there is some highly evolved mind there is some higher intelligence
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which is making all these things working so instead of denying that instead
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of saying oh I can't see it, so why should I believe in that?
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It is fine, do not believe in that. But at the same time, don't stop yourself to seek that.
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Don't ridicule others who are putting their efforts in seeking the truth,
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truth of our existence, truth of the existence of this whole universe.
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You yourself has not created yourself. How
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your body and mind mechanism is working so amazingly so beautiful which kind
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of intelligence is making your heart beat which kind of intelligence is ensuring
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your digestion so if you try to understand that,
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that there is some power which is working on behalf of you as well then instead
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of denying the existence of that,
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you can have the approach of seeking that.
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Yoga is that approach of seeking the higher truth.
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Yoga is the approach of going beyond the limitation of your body and mind mechanism.
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Yoga is the method, the practice by which you can have the sixth sense,
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or the subtle senses through that, you can actually experience the subtle dimension,
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the spiritual dimension.
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So, just by having the limitation of five senses and ridiculing the existence
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of something else is not the right approach.
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At some point, when I also started seeking, then before that, I was also like that.
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Not believing in something that I haven't seen. That is fine. I still do that.
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But I would never say that if someone else has experienced something that I don't know.
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I won't start ridiculing that or just say, okay, this is not possible.
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Or this experience is false experience. it cannot exist because if I don't know
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it doesn't exist. That should not be the approach.
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Next time when you have an urge, a craving to ridicule someone for their efforts
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in knowing something that you don't know, something that you have not experienced,
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then please have a pause and use your rational mind to closely observe the nature,
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closely observe the higher dimension which is making everything work.
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And once you find, once you start to explore in 10 dimension,
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once you start to seek instead of believing, then you will come to know what is theism all about.
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Why do people seek and after seeking when they have their own experiences and
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those experiences perfectly aligns with what our ancient seekers,
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what our rissi, what the great Jesus has said about the existence of higher
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dimension of spiritual entities,
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then you will come to know the real truth.
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So you need to understand that instead of denying the wakeful state,
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when you are in a dream state, you open your eyes, get out of the dream state,
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get into the wakeful state and then only you will come to know that which kind
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of dream state you are living in.
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Thank you. Asatuma sakamaya, tamasuma jyutirgamaya.
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Music.
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Mhrityurma Yurma-mhritam-vamaya Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti Keep writing.
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Stay safe. Stay healthy.
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Remain aware and conscious. Become the part of this movement.
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Until the next episode. Be peaceful, blissful and...
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Music.