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Hey, it's Wes, and I am so excited to share
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that Deviltown is back. I know it's been a really
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long time since you've heard anything from me on the
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disappearance of Kelly Wilson. So before we dive back in,
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I feel like I owe you an explanation for what's
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been going on, at least from my end. It won't
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take long. I created Deviltown for a media company called
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Imperative Entertainment, so they own the show, not me. There's
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been a lot of changes in the podcast business, and
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Imperative quit making podcast right around the time Deviltown came out,
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and that's why Deviltown ended with no resolution. It's like
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we hype up these new leads that we're chasing, these
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big developments, We get your hopes up, and then you
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never hear from me again. Like literally years have gone
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by at this point. It took a lot of time,
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a lot of patients negotiations, but I was finally able
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to license Deviltown back from the owner, so I can
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keep chipping away at this story and keep searching for answers.
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I've got a lot to catch you up on, So
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let's just dive in.
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Kelly Day Wilson was seventeen when she disappeared in nineteen
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ninety two, and.
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I got in my truck, she got in her car
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and rest. As I say, is history.
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I mean a little town like this, you can just
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imagine what an impact it had. I mean, you know,
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this girl just vanished into the na It's an unsolved
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mystery out of Upshur County involving law enforcement, a satanic cult,
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and a missing girl.
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Following the story that would give the small East Texas
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town of Gilmer national exposure, but not the good kind.
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We need answers. This is thirty one years now, this
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is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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Kelly needs to come.
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Home from Free Range Productions in association with Imperative Entertainment.
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I'm West Ferguson and this is Deviltown episode twelve. The lead.
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So back when Deviltown ended the first time around, Amanda Gammel,
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that private investigator and I were both chasing this lead.
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That was extremely promising. It felt huge, And later I
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found out that the Gilmourt Police Department was also pursuing
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this lead. Now I've got to be pretty careful about
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what I say, because I promised not to reveal anything
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that was told to me in confidence, and it's really
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important that I hold up that promise I made so
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that people in the future will also feel comfortable reaching
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out to me with important information. But I can't tell
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you that I took it very seriously and it seemed credible.
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And I can actually give you most of the details
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anyway about these allegations because they eventually spilled into the public.
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So word got out that Kelly Wilson's body was buried
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in this tiny community outside of Gilmer called Glenwood. It's
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about ten miles southeast of town. And what I can
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share with you comes from an anonymous Facebook user who
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claimed to be the cousin of this guy from Gilmer
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named Terry Roberts. Terry and his now ex wife, Donna
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lived in a neighborhood in that little community of Glenwood
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that at the time was called Glenwood Acres. At the
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time that Kelly disappeared, Terry was twenty years old and
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Donna was sixteen. They were in bed the night that
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she vanished, and supposedly, according to this information that we received,
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Terry gets a call from an unknown caller and he
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tells Donna that he's got to get up and go
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help a friend, and he was supposedly gone all night
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into the early morning. Later, Terry allegedly said that he helped
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bury Kelly's body at a house and he even gave
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a specific location under a tree by the fence line
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in Glenwood Acres. This is a direct quote that was
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attributed to Terry. She's dead and I know where she is.
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And this person alleged that over the years, Terry would
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get drunk and he would often talk about Kelly. There
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were some other allegations also thrown out in another Facebook
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post Terry's own son in law. This guy named Hunter
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also said that Terry made death threats against his own
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family members. But from what I can tell, Terry has
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never been charged with anything, and of course we're all
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innocent until proven guilty. Terry himself also jumped in the
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comments to defend himself against these allegations involving Kelly Wilson,
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and he speculated that it was not a cousin as
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this anonymous comment or claimed to be, but it was
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actually his own daughter who was leveling these allegations against
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him that tied him back to Kelly Wilson, and he
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said that his daughter was quote trying to be messy,
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and I mean it was definitely messy. But when these
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family members looked up the property details of the house
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that Terry had allegedly pointed out to them, guess what
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it was actually Joe Henry's old house. I'm sure you
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remember who Joe Henry was if you listen to all
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of our earlier episodes of Deviltown. Joe was the video
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store employee often described as the video store manager who
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worked with Kelly there on the Courthouse Square in Gilmer,
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and he was the last person we know of who
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saw Kelly on the night she disappeared in January nineteen
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ninety two. And from everything we've heard, Joe was never
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really considered a suspect in the case. Like Terry, he
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is also innocent until proven guilty. Joe doesn't own the
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house anymore, but I'm told that he did live there
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at the time of Kelly's disappearance. Whatever was going on,
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the current owner of the property was also following all
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these allegations and this stuff that was spelling onto Facebook.
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And when I talked to her. She told me that
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she also believed that Kelly was buried on her land,
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and not only that, but she had given the Gilmer
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Police Department permission to search her property for the body. So,
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I mean, I can't tell you how big this was. Like,
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I'm in the middle of producing this podcast and we
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are getting fed all of this stuff, mostly off the record.
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We're chasing down all the leaves that we can, and
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it's happening on this tight deadline. We have a new
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episode to put out every week, and so that's why
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I know. I was so excited, and for the first time,
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I thought, gosh, maybe we will crack this case. So
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I was waiting for the Gilmer Police Department to do
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this search, and in the meantime, I was trying to
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see what else I could find about Terry, and I
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was told he had an adult son with another woman
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named Robbie Hi Minez, and he actually got Robby pregnant
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when they were teenagers, but they actually split up before
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kelly disappearance and before he got together with the woman
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who would become his wife, Donna. So it was kind
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of a long shot that Robbie would know anything. But
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I had to ask. I found an address in Kilgore,
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also the town where I grew up, about thirty miles
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south of Gilmour. When I pulled up, there was a
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woman standing in the doorway. I'm looking for Robbie Hemanez, Hey, Robbie.
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My name is Wes Ferguson. I'm a journalist and reporter,
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and I'm working on a big project on the Kelly
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Wilson disappearance. And I heard that you were from Gilmer
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and you might have known her back in the day. No,
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I did, Sweatie, I sure didn't.
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I didn't know her like that.
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No, I sure didn't, wish I did.
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Do you have any idea what might have happened to her?
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I'm no, I sure don't at all.
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You talk about that growth.
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And witness when I went to school, yes, oh that
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was a long time ago.
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Yeah, but I never really not.
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I don't know, Sweetie, I really don't.
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So it just a wild rumor that Terry Roberts might
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have known something. I would hope not.
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Yeah, I really would, I thought, not so much joking.
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Okay, this was interesting. Her son that she had with
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Terry had already told her about these allegations. You thought
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your son was joking.
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Not saying something to me about I said, what do
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you talk about?
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But I never heard that.
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I thought m's so advessent.
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So I guess Terry said something.
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I don't know.
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I never ever heard that.
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Apparently Terry's been going around saying that as she really yeah,
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I'm like, in.
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This gracious, why would he want to bring that on
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hisself and in his.
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Life he's doing good.
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I don't know.
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I never ever heard anything like that.
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Mm hmm, yeah, never had.
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He was no rumor or nothing that I remember of
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as a irber staying at Terry had he saying, you
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do with death?
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Okay, yeah, Miss Robbie, I sure appreciate it.
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Thank you very much.
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I appreciate you. Yes, ma'am.
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Take care.
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So I didn't get much from Robbie, but she did
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confirm that she had heard about Terry possibly claiming he
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was involved with kelly disappearance, and she heard that from
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her son Scottie, even though she says she thought he
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was joking. I also went over to Terry's house north
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of Gilmour, and on my way there I made the
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mistake of calling my wife Laura and telling her what
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I was about.
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To do.
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I've been a journalist for so long that sometimes I
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forget Going up and knocking on a stranger's door isn't
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the most normal thing, especially when this stranger is being
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accused of some kind of crime. But anyway, I knock
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on the door and it seems like people are home.
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I could hear dogs barking, but no one ever comes
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to the door. So I call Laura and I tell
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her she can stop freaking out, and I drive back
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into town and interview a few other people. At this
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point in my career, I'd written like I don't know
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a million newspaper articles, so many magazine stories, and nothing
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I'd ever done before got the kind of response that
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Deviltown did. It seemed like everybody in East Texas was
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talking about it. Half of them had leads for me,
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or suggestions, rumors, gossip. I was hearing from people like
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on all the social media channels, text emails, phone calls.
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It was so much that I actually hired a young
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reporter named James Hernandez to help me pursue the leads
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that seem the most promising. I didn't have any luck
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when I knocked on Terry's door, but James was able
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to get in touch with Terry's son, Scotty, and Scotty
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agreed to talk to James, or so we thought.
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Ella, Hi Scotty, this is James. I just messaged you
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on Facebook. Yes, how you doing today?
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All right?
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So I'm doing good? Thanks for asking?
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All right?
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Well, when West spoke to your mother, Robbie, he meant
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is she told him about how Terry Roberts would make
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suspicious statements about Kelly when he was drinking, like, for example,
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that he knows where her body's buried. You know, weird
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stuff like that. And I was just reaching out to
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see if maybe you remember anything like this being around him.
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So let me ask this, how did you get in
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contact with Robbie?
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To begin with, I'm not sure it was my partner
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Wes that got in touch with her. I know he's
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been in touch with a lot of people from Kilmer Kilgore,
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so you know it might have been a friend that
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got him in touch with her.
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Absolutely, be honest with you're talking to Terry Roberts, trot Now,
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he told me about somebody who does his mother while.
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Back, hold on, let's unpack this because what just happened
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is kind of crazy. Here's James thinking he's talking to Scotty,
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but it's not Scotty at all. He's on the phone
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with Terry, the guy we've actually been trying to reach.
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And I assumed it had something to do with my
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old as Doug. We're not talking right now.
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And she's kind of I don't.
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Know how not put it, Matcy lies the stirrup trouble.
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Don hers she probably talk someone there that's just trying
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to start up trouble.
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Terry said he had absolutely nothing to do with Kelly
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Wilson's disappearance.
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No, I didn't know that girl. I heard all the stories,
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like everybody else said sitting on TV.
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And all the rumors that kind of heard about it.
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Everything like said like everybody else.
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Right, So yeah, it could have just been like some
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sort of mix up, just someone trying to steer trouble,
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that's what you're trying to say.
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Yeah, like I said, I didn't know the girl, even
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think I watched that episode on TV pattern you know,
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then getting the officer mixed up in it, all the
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curves and the devil worsh it's just all the craziness.
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All the rumors I heard. She's under the I'll shet
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the pizza Hud and Gilmer. You know she's burying their
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row constructed. But no, I was sure you no, I
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didn't even know that girl.
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I appreciate you clearing all this up. Yeah, thank you, alrighty,
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thank you too. Bye.
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After the break, police ask if they can search for
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Kelly's body on a property outside of town, and the
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property owner says yes.
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Immediately, I knew it was Kelly Wilson, and I kind
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of put two and two together because I'd already known
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that I was living in Joe Henry's parents old house.
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So the whole terry thing didn't really go anywhere, but
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the tip that Kelly's body was in Glenwood Acres was
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something worth looking into, according to the current owner of
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that property in question. The Gilmer Police Department eventually brought
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two kadaver dogs, a black lab and a blonde lab
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to the house where Joe Henry used to live outside
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of Gilmour.
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within the next few days. Well and behold, it was
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like literally the next day that they came up and
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did the kid averdogs. He went back and forth with
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both dogs at different times.
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The dogs searched the front, the back. It was a
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four acre property, and they go by the chicken coops
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and it turns out there's this concrete pad that is
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mostly underground, and I can only imagine what's going through
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the current owner's mind. She didn't know Kelly, but she
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was very familiar with the story and is like, at
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this point, totally convinced that Kelly is buried on her property.
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But when she contacted me, she was pretty critical of
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the police department. She said that they spent less than
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an hour investigating the area, and she used investigating the
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area in scare quotes. But the dogs did have a
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change of behavior separately on the same exact location. One
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of the officers used this long probing stick under the
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concrete pad, and when they brought the black lab out,
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it went back to that pad and alerted.
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On the spot. So it wasn't just a changing behavior,
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it actually alerted.
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So at this point they don't dig. The police say
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they want to come back later with ground penetrating radar,
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but they admit that it might take quite a bit
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of time, like maybe a few months to even get
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access to the equipment they need. Property owner says, okay,
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that's fine. But less than an hour after the police leave,
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they call back and they ask, can we just come
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bust up that concrete pad? So that tells you that
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they are taking this very seriously too. A guy from
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the city water department actually comes out with his tractor
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and he digs up the pad and then they dig
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down about half a foot. But then they stop.
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They get here, they dig up the pad, kind of
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go about maybe a half a foot, covered it back
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up and said that's there. There's nothing there.
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There's nothing there. Now this really puzzles the owner and
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her husband, And why do you go to all this
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trouble to bust up this concrete where the dog's alert
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and then you only go down half a foot?
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How do you know that something's not there? Well anyway,
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So it just kind of threw us for a little
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bit of a loot because I felt like enough wasn't done,
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like it wasn't done carefully.
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Somehow they could tell that. So they just give up.
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And the current owner is not happy and she says,
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I'm convinced that Kelly is here, okay, and somehow. There's
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also these paranormal investigators who are also investigating Kelly's case,
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and they hear the same story that I do about
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Kelly being buried at this property, and they also get
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permission to go search.
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We had some paranal investigators come out. I'm sure you
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heard about that. They came by here, and I won't
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necessarily disclose exactly what they found because we're still trying
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to one process at ourselves and two figure out what
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our next steps are.
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The things they found, the convincing things were like kind
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of in the paranormal realm, not like physical evidence.
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Yes, yes, at the same true that the dogs alerted
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at even when they were here. I'm like, this is weird.
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This is just weird.
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I'm not really big on paranormal stuff. No disrespect people
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who were into that. It's just not for me. I
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was invited to go participate, but I just said no.
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But I'm told that while these investigators are on the property,
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they're like recording all this audio and they're getting this
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like spooky stuff. Some people believe that it's Kelly's voice.
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That audio was never shared with me. It's not online anywhere.
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Nothing really seems to come of that, I'm told that
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another excavation was also done with the soil specialist, who
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also said the soil at that concrete pad was undisturbed.
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There's also some speculation that that concrete pad predated Kelly's
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disappearance in nineteen ninety two. They're also interested in this
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old burn pile they find, but the owner says that
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it's actually stuff that the previous owner had burned, so
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supposedly not related to Kelly's case at all. And when
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all of this information spills into the public, it all
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gets to be a little too much for the current owner.
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And now she says that she is confident that Kelly's
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body is nowhere on her property. She's asking the public
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to respect her private property, which of course I always
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have and I think most people have. You know, it's
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all kind of disappointing. It's like, in the moment, this
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seemed real, you know, this felt credible, and I was
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doing everything I could to help advance this case. Was
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really excited to hear that the Gilmer Police Department was
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taking it seriously. It was disappointing that they didn't dig
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any further. It's also kind of crazy that they weren't
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really treating this possible crime scene with more care. They
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were in a you know, they got a city employee
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with this tractor to bust up the concrete and dig
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up if something had been there, you know, it could
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have been disturbed pretty easily. But unfortunately nothing came of it.
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It seems like this promising lead just kind of fizzled out,
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like so many other leads over the last thirty years.
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But Kelly's loved ones, they're not losing hope.
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This is thirty one years now. This is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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That's after the break.
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Today mark's thirty one years since Kelly Wilson and Gilmer disappeared,
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and her friends and family continued a wait for closure.
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Tonight, they held a candle.
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Light about a week after we shared the last episode
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of Deviltown, thirty one years to the night since Kelly disappeared,
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the people of Gilmer gathered outside the old video store,
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the last place where anybody saw her, and they held
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a candlelight.
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Vigil if they baseball at the ca they've seen it
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moved towards one group of suspects, and then nothing panned out,
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and another group of suspects and nothing panned out, and
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then it's like things just fizzled out.
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The thirty year mark has really hit home and hit
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hard for a lot of us in the community. And
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we've decided to pull together and pull off our resources
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and you see if we can get some answers.
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They opened the vigil the way a lot of things
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open around here with a prayer. This is a local pastor,
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Brother Mike Kessler.
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You were from the future backwards and you knew that
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we would be gathered here today. God, and you know
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what happened to Kelly. And Lord Jesus, you're a God
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of revelation, and we are gathered here today to cry
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out to you, to reveal to us the truth.
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Jennifer Dean and Kelly were the same age. They would
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have graduated together the class of ninety two, and in
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the weeks right before Kelly disappeared, the two of them
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had been spending a lot of time together.
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If you knew Kelly, you knew a young woman that
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was full of life. She was beautiful, she was smart,
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she was bold, she was brave, she was talented, and
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she had dreams, and she had aspirations, she wanted to
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go to LSU. She was just somebody that you'd go
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your whole life and remember, even if you had a
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brief encounter with her. It's hard to imagine things like
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this happening in our town. A lot of us here
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we love Gilmer, We'll have everything about Gilmer. So it
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just really seemed so out of place, and it really
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shattered this community. It caused a lot of suspicion and questions,
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and everybody started locking their door, everybody started making their
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kids come home sooner.
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Jennifer had a message and a request for the people
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of Gilmore.
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Kelly had integrity, and I believe if she knew something,
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if she were here she knew something, she'd say something.
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This is a small town, people talk, so tonight, My
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prayer is that people would be burdened to continue to
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pray for her after tonight and pray for this community,
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because really the only healing that may come is answers.
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And if we don't get answers, we know where she is,
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we know she's arrest. We pray for peace, and we
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pray for protection for everybody here in our sweet little town.
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And then they lit the candles.
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We light this candle to represent the light of hope.
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We're transformed by our loss and now walk an unfamiliar road,
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but we are surrounded by love and grace, and we
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are not alone.
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Not everybody at the vigil had known Kelly. Lorie Stanley didn't,
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but she was a year older, living in Gilmour the
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year it happened, eight months pregnant, and like a lot
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of people in that town, she never really shook Kelly's disappearance.
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I didn't know Kelly at all, but I've known Kelly
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from following her story. I could see myself just like Kelly.
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It scared all of us to death. We didn't know
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what was going on.
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We didn't know where we could go, who we could trust.
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It was a scary place to grow up and be.
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We need answers. This is thirty one years now. This
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is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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Kelly needs to come home.
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Heather Quinn was just a kid when Kelly went missing,
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but Heather actually saw Kelly the night she disappeared.
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Many of us didn't know her on a personal level,
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but the fact that she has not been found has
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haunted this town. I mean, I follow a lot of
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cases where people are still missing to this day, but
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this is the one case that I have never seen haunked.
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So many people didn't.
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Never met her, never knew her.
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The last time I entered this building, I was eleven
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years old and handed her VHS movies. That was the
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last night that she blocked down here.
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Near the end, they said one thing together.
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Let's all say together. I stand with Kelly. I stand
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with Kelly. Thank y'all for coming. If you do have
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any tips or leads, you have any little morsel of
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information I think is insignificant, you can contact the Gilmer
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Police Department or Upshur County Crime Stoppers.
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Thirty one years, Noah, nobody and no answers, but a
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crowd of people who still show up for a girl
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most of them never met.
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We've got fresh eyes on an old case, and I
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have hope in that.
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Next time. On Deviltown, a federal police officer from Gilmer
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sheds new light on the case, and he doubles down
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on a lead that others dismissed as mere conspiracy. Deviltown
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The show was created by me Wes Ferguson and edits
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it by Aislen Gaddis. Music by Robert Ellis. For updates
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Hey, it's Wes, and I am so excited to share
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that Deviltown is back. I know it's been a really
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long time since you've heard anything from me on the
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disappearance of Kelly Wilson. So before we dive back in,
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I feel like I owe you an explanation for what's
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been going on, at least from my end. It won't
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take long. I created Deviltown for a media company called
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Imperative Entertainment, so they own the show, not me. There's
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been a lot of changes in the podcast business, and
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Imperative quit making podcast right around the time Deviltown came out,
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and that's why Deviltown ended with no resolution. It's like
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we hype up these new leads that we're chasing, these
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big developments, We get your hopes up, and then you
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never hear from me again. Like literally years have gone
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by at this point. It took a lot of time,
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a lot of patients negotiations, but I was finally able
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to license Deviltown back from the owner, so I can
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keep chipping away at this story and keep searching for answers.
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I've got a lot to catch you up on, So
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let's just dive in.
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Kelly Day Wilson was seventeen when she disappeared in nineteen
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ninety two, and.
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I got in my truck, she got in her car
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and rest. As I say, is history.
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I mean a little town like this, you can just
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imagine what an impact it had. I mean, you know,
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this girl just vanished into the na It's an unsolved
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mystery out of Upshur County involving law enforcement, a satanic cult,
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and a missing girl.
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Following the story that would give the small East Texas
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town of Gilmer national exposure, but not the good kind.
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We need answers. This is thirty one years now, this
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is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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Kelly needs to come.
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Home from Free Range Productions in association with Imperative Entertainment.
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I'm West Ferguson and this is Deviltown episode twelve. The lead.
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So back when Deviltown ended the first time around, Amanda Gammel,
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that private investigator and I were both chasing this lead.
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That was extremely promising. It felt huge, And later I
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found out that the Gilmourt Police Department was also pursuing
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this lead. Now I've got to be pretty careful about
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what I say, because I promised not to reveal anything
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that was told to me in confidence, and it's really
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important that I hold up that promise I made so
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that people in the future will also feel comfortable reaching
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out to me with important information. But I can't tell
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you that I took it very seriously and it seemed credible.
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And I can actually give you most of the details
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anyway about these allegations because they eventually spilled into the public.
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So word got out that Kelly Wilson's body was buried
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in this tiny community outside of Gilmer called Glenwood. It's
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about ten miles southeast of town. And what I can
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share with you comes from an anonymous Facebook user who
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claimed to be the cousin of this guy from Gilmer
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named Terry Roberts. Terry and his now ex wife, Donna
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lived in a neighborhood in that little community of Glenwood
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that at the time was called Glenwood Acres. At the
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time that Kelly disappeared, Terry was twenty years old and
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Donna was sixteen. They were in bed the night that
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she vanished, and supposedly, according to this information that we received,
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Terry gets a call from an unknown caller and he
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tells Donna that he's got to get up and go
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help a friend, and he was supposedly gone all night
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into the early morning. Later, Terry allegedly said that he helped
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bury Kelly's body at a house and he even gave
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a specific location under a tree by the fence line
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in Glenwood Acres. This is a direct quote that was
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attributed to Terry. She's dead and I know where she is.
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And this person alleged that over the years, Terry would
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get drunk and he would often talk about Kelly. There
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were some other allegations also thrown out in another Facebook
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post Terry's own son in law. This guy named Hunter
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also said that Terry made death threats against his own
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family members. But from what I can tell, Terry has
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never been charged with anything, and of course we're all
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innocent until proven guilty. Terry himself also jumped in the
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comments to defend himself against these allegations involving Kelly Wilson,
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and he speculated that it was not a cousin as
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this anonymous comment or claimed to be, but it was
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actually his own daughter who was leveling these allegations against
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him that tied him back to Kelly Wilson, and he
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said that his daughter was quote trying to be messy,
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and I mean it was definitely messy. But when these
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family members looked up the property details of the house
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that Terry had allegedly pointed out to them, guess what
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it was actually Joe Henry's old house. I'm sure you
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remember who Joe Henry was if you listen to all
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of our earlier episodes of Deviltown. Joe was the video
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store employee often described as the video store manager who
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worked with Kelly there on the Courthouse Square in Gilmer,
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and he was the last person we know of who
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saw Kelly on the night she disappeared in January nineteen
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ninety two. And from everything we've heard, Joe was never
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really considered a suspect in the case. Like Terry, he
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is also innocent until proven guilty. Joe doesn't own the
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house anymore, but I'm told that he did live there
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at the time of Kelly's disappearance. Whatever was going on,
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the current owner of the property was also following all
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these allegations and this stuff that was spelling onto Facebook.
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And when I talked to her. She told me that
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she also believed that Kelly was buried on her land,
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and not only that, but she had given the Gilmer
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Police Department permission to search her property for the body. So,
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I mean, I can't tell you how big this was. Like,
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I'm in the middle of producing this podcast and we
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are getting fed all of this stuff, mostly off the record.
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We're chasing down all the leaves that we can, and
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it's happening on this tight deadline. We have a new
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episode to put out every week, and so that's why
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I know. I was so excited, and for the first time,
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I thought, gosh, maybe we will crack this case. So
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I was waiting for the Gilmer Police Department to do
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this search, and in the meantime, I was trying to
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see what else I could find about Terry, and I
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was told he had an adult son with another woman
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named Robbie Hi Minez, and he actually got Robby pregnant
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when they were teenagers, but they actually split up before
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kelly disappearance and before he got together with the woman
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who would become his wife, Donna. So it was kind
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of a long shot that Robbie would know anything. But
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I had to ask. I found an address in Kilgore,
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also the town where I grew up, about thirty miles
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south of Gilmour. When I pulled up, there was a
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woman standing in the doorway. I'm looking for Robbie Hemanez, Hey, Robbie.
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My name is Wes Ferguson. I'm a journalist and reporter,
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and I'm working on a big project on the Kelly
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Wilson disappearance. And I heard that you were from Gilmer
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and you might have known her back in the day. No,
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I did, Sweatie, I sure didn't.
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I didn't know her like that.
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No, I sure didn't, wish I did.
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Do you have any idea what might have happened to her?
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I'm no, I sure don't at all.
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You talk about that growth.
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And witness when I went to school, yes, oh that
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was a long time ago.
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Yeah, but I never really not.
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I don't know, Sweetie, I really don't.
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have known something. I would hope not.
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Yeah, I really would, I thought, not so much joking.
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Okay, this was interesting. Her son that she had with
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Terry had already told her about these allegations. You thought
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your son was joking.
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Not saying something to me about I said, what do
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you talk about?
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But I never heard that.
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I thought m's so advessent.
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I don't know.
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I never ever heard that.
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I'm like, in.
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This gracious, why would he want to bring that on
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hisself and in his.
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Life he's doing good.
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I don't know.
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I never ever heard anything like that.
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He was no rumor or nothing that I remember of
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as a irber staying at Terry had he saying, you
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do with death?
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Okay, yeah, Miss Robbie, I sure appreciate it.
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Thank you very much.
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I appreciate you. Yes, ma'am.
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confirm that she had heard about Terry possibly claiming he
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was involved with kelly disappearance, and she heard that from
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her son Scottie, even though she says she thought he
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was joking. I also went over to Terry's house north
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of Gilmour, and on my way there I made the
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mistake of calling my wife Laura and telling her what
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I was about.
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I've been a journalist for so long that sometimes I
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forget Going up and knocking on a stranger's door isn't
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the most normal thing, especially when this stranger is being
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accused of some kind of crime. But anyway, I knock
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on the door and it seems like people are home.
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I could hear dogs barking, but no one ever comes
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to the door. So I call Laura and I tell
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her she can stop freaking out, and I drive back
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into town and interview a few other people. At this
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point in my career, I'd written like I don't know
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a million newspaper articles, so many magazine stories, and nothing
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I'd ever done before got the kind of response that
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Deviltown did. It seemed like everybody in East Texas was
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talking about it. Half of them had leads for me,
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or suggestions, rumors, gossip. I was hearing from people like
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on all the social media channels, text emails, phone calls.
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It was so much that I actually hired a young
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reporter named James Hernandez to help me pursue the leads
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that seem the most promising. I didn't have any luck
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when I knocked on Terry's door, but James was able
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to get in touch with Terry's son, Scotty, and Scotty
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agreed to talk to James, or so we thought.
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Ella, Hi Scotty, this is James. I just messaged you
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on Facebook. Yes, how you doing today?
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All right?
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So I'm doing good? Thanks for asking?
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Well, when West spoke to your mother, Robbie, he meant
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is she told him about how Terry Roberts would make
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suspicious statements about Kelly when he was drinking, like, for example,
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that he knows where her body's buried. You know, weird
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stuff like that. And I was just reaching out to
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see if maybe you remember anything like this being around him.
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So let me ask this, how did you get in
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contact with Robbie?
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To begin with, I'm not sure it was my partner
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Wes that got in touch with her. I know he's
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been in touch with a lot of people from Kilmer Kilgore,
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so you know it might have been a friend that
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got him in touch with her.
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Absolutely, be honest with you're talking to Terry Roberts, trot Now,
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he told me about somebody who does his mother while.
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Back, hold on, let's unpack this because what just happened
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is kind of crazy. Here's James thinking he's talking to Scotty,
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but it's not Scotty at all. He's on the phone
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with Terry, the guy we've actually been trying to reach.
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old as Doug. We're not talking right now.
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to start up trouble.
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Terry said he had absolutely nothing to do with Kelly
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Wilson's disappearance.
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No, I didn't know that girl. I heard all the stories,
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like everybody else said sitting on TV.
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Everything like said like everybody else.
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sort of mix up, just someone trying to steer trouble,
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that's what you're trying to say.
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think I watched that episode on TV pattern you know,
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then getting the officer mixed up in it, all the
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curves and the devil worsh it's just all the craziness.
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All the rumors I heard. She's under the I'll shet
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the pizza Hud and Gilmer. You know she's burying their
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row constructed. But no, I was sure you no, I
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didn't even know that girl.
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I appreciate you clearing all this up. Yeah, thank you, alrighty,
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thank you too. Bye.
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After the break, police ask if they can search for
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Kelly's body on a property outside of town, and the
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property owner says yes.
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of put two and two together because I'd already known
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that I was living in Joe Henry's parents old house.
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the tip that Kelly's body was in Glenwood Acres was
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something worth looking into, according to the current owner of
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that property in question. The Gilmer Police Department eventually brought
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two kadaver dogs, a black lab and a blonde lab
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to the house where Joe Henry used to live outside
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of Gilmour.
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within the next few days. Well and behold, it was
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like literally the next day that they came up and
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did the kid averdogs. He went back and forth with
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both dogs at different times.
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four acre property, and they go by the chicken coops
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mostly underground, and I can only imagine what's going through
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the current owner's mind. She didn't know Kelly, but she
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was very familiar with the story and is like, at
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this point, totally convinced that Kelly is buried on her property.
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But when she contacted me, she was pretty critical of
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the police department. She said that they spent less than
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an hour investigating the area, and she used investigating the
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area in scare quotes. But the dogs did have a
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change of behavior separately on the same exact location. One
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of the officers used this long probing stick under the
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concrete pad, and when they brought the black lab out,
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it went back to that pad and alerted.
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On the spot. So it wasn't just a changing behavior,
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it actually alerted.
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So at this point they don't dig. The police say
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they want to come back later with ground penetrating radar,
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but they admit that it might take quite a bit
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of time, like maybe a few months to even get
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access to the equipment they need. Property owner says, okay,
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that's fine. But less than an hour after the police leave,
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they call back and they ask, can we just come
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bust up that concrete pad? So that tells you that
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they are taking this very seriously too. A guy from
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the city water department actually comes out with his tractor
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and he digs up the pad and then they dig
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down about half a foot. But then they stop.
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They get here, they dig up the pad, kind of
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go about maybe a half a foot, covered it back
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up and said that's there. There's nothing there.
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There's nothing there. Now this really puzzles the owner and
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her husband, And why do you go to all this
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trouble to bust up this concrete where the dog's alert
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and then you only go down half a foot?
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How do you know that something's not there? Well anyway,
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So it just kind of threw us for a little
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bit of a loot because I felt like enough wasn't done,
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like it wasn't done carefully.
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But apparently they felt like the soil hadn't been disturbed.
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Somehow they could tell that. So they just give up.
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And the current owner is not happy and she says,
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I'm convinced that Kelly is here, okay, and somehow. There's
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also these paranormal investigators who are also investigating Kelly's case,
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and they hear the same story that I do about
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Kelly being buried at this property, and they also get
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permission to go search.
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We had some paranal investigators come out. I'm sure you
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heard about that. They came by here, and I won't
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necessarily disclose exactly what they found because we're still trying
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to one process at ourselves and two figure out what
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our next steps are.
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The things they found, the convincing things were like kind
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of in the paranormal realm, not like physical evidence.
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Yes, yes, at the same true that the dogs alerted
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at even when they were here. I'm like, this is weird.
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This is just weird.
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I'm not really big on paranormal stuff. No disrespect people
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who were into that. It's just not for me. I
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was invited to go participate, but I just said no.
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But I'm told that while these investigators are on the property,
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they're like recording all this audio and they're getting this
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like spooky stuff. Some people believe that it's Kelly's voice.
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That audio was never shared with me. It's not online anywhere.
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Nothing really seems to come of that, I'm told that
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another excavation was also done with the soil specialist, who
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also said the soil at that concrete pad was undisturbed.
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There's also some speculation that that concrete pad predated Kelly's
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disappearance in nineteen ninety two. They're also interested in this
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old burn pile they find, but the owner says that
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it's actually stuff that the previous owner had burned, so
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supposedly not related to Kelly's case at all. And when
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all of this information spills into the public, it all
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gets to be a little too much for the current owner.
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And now she says that she is confident that Kelly's
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body is nowhere on her property. She's asking the public
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to respect her private property, which of course I always
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have and I think most people have. You know, it's
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all kind of disappointing. It's like, in the moment, this
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seemed real, you know, this felt credible, and I was
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doing everything I could to help advance this case. Was
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really excited to hear that the Gilmer Police Department was
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taking it seriously. It was disappointing that they didn't dig
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any further. It's also kind of crazy that they weren't
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really treating this possible crime scene with more care. They
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were in a you know, they got a city employee
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with this tractor to bust up the concrete and dig
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up if something had been there, you know, it could
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have been disturbed pretty easily. But unfortunately nothing came of it.
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It seems like this promising lead just kind of fizzled out,
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like so many other leads over the last thirty years.
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But Kelly's loved ones, they're not losing hope.
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This is thirty one years now. This is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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That's after the break.
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Today mark's thirty one years since Kelly Wilson and Gilmer disappeared,
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and her friends and family continued a wait for closure.
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Tonight, they held a candle.
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Light about a week after we shared the last episode
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of Deviltown, thirty one years to the night since Kelly disappeared,
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the people of Gilmer gathered outside the old video store,
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the last place where anybody saw her, and they held
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a candlelight.
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Vigil if they baseball at the ca they've seen it
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moved towards one group of suspects, and then nothing panned out,
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and another group of suspects and nothing panned out, and
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then it's like things just fizzled out.
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The thirty year mark has really hit home and hit
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hard for a lot of us in the community. And
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we've decided to pull together and pull off our resources
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and you see if we can get some answers.
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They opened the vigil the way a lot of things
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open around here with a prayer. This is a local pastor,
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Brother Mike Kessler.
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You were from the future backwards and you knew that
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we would be gathered here today. God, and you know
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what happened to Kelly. And Lord Jesus, you're a God
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of revelation, and we are gathered here today to cry
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out to you, to reveal to us the truth.
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Jennifer Dean and Kelly were the same age. They would
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have graduated together the class of ninety two, and in
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the weeks right before Kelly disappeared, the two of them
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had been spending a lot of time together.
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If you knew Kelly, you knew a young woman that
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was full of life. She was beautiful, she was smart,
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she was bold, she was brave, she was talented, and
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she had dreams, and she had aspirations, she wanted to
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go to LSU. She was just somebody that you'd go
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your whole life and remember, even if you had a
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brief encounter with her. It's hard to imagine things like
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this happening in our town. A lot of us here
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we love Gilmer, We'll have everything about Gilmer. So it
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just really seemed so out of place, and it really
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shattered this community. It caused a lot of suspicion and questions,
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and everybody started locking their door, everybody started making their
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kids come home sooner.
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Jennifer had a message and a request for the people
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of Gilmore.
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Kelly had integrity, and I believe if she knew something,
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if she were here she knew something, she'd say something.
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This is a small town, people talk, so tonight, My
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prayer is that people would be burdened to continue to
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pray for her after tonight and pray for this community,
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because really the only healing that may come is answers.
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And if we don't get answers, we know where she is,
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we know she's arrest. We pray for peace, and we
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pray for protection for everybody here in our sweet little town.
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And then they lit the candles.
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We light this candle to represent the light of hope.
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We're transformed by our loss and now walk an unfamiliar road,
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but we are surrounded by love and grace, and we
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are not alone.
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Not everybody at the vigil had known Kelly. Lorie Stanley didn't,
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but she was a year older, living in Gilmour the
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year it happened, eight months pregnant, and like a lot
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of people in that town, she never really shook Kelly's disappearance.
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I didn't know Kelly at all, but I've known Kelly
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from following her story. I could see myself just like Kelly.
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It scared all of us to death. We didn't know
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what was going on.
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We didn't know where we could go, who we could trust.
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It was a scary place to grow up and be.
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We need answers. This is thirty one years now. This
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is ridiculous.
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We need to get this solved, and we need to
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make some noise until we get some answers.
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Kelly needs to come home.
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Heather Quinn was just a kid when Kelly went missing,
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but Heather actually saw Kelly the night she disappeared.
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Many of us didn't know her on a personal level,
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but the fact that she has not been found has
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haunted this town. I mean, I follow a lot of
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cases where people are still missing to this day, but
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this is the one case that I have never seen haunked.
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So many people didn't.
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Never met her, never knew her.
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The last time I entered this building, I was eleven
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years old and handed her VHS movies. That was the
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last night that she blocked down here.
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Near the end, they said one thing together.
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Let's all say together. I stand with Kelly. I stand
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with Kelly. Thank y'all for coming. If you do have
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any tips or leads, you have any little morsel of
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information I think is insignificant, you can contact the Gilmer
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Police Department or Upshur County Crime Stoppers.
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Thirty one years, Noah, nobody and no answers, but a
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crowd of people who still show up for a girl
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most of them never met.
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We've got fresh eyes on an old case, and I
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have hope in that.
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Next time. On Deviltown, a federal police officer from Gilmer
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sheds new light on the case, and he doubles down
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on a lead that others dismissed as mere conspiracy. Deviltown
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