ABOUT THIS EPISODE
I worked with Elliot Taylor at Pfizer years ago, building security tooling on Laravel Nova. Now he runs engineering at Patchstack — and the job looks nothing like it did five years ago.
This one's not a pitch. No sponsor, no prediction deck. Just two people who've been in the trenches talking about what's actually changing — in the role, in the tools, and in how teams ship.
What we get into:
- Why "traditional engineering is over" and what the role is morphing into
- The 90/10/200% rule — how most dev skills are fading but the rest got massively amplified
- What happens when the whole company can @Claude in Slack
- How Patchstack flipped shift-left on its head — because time-to-exploit went from months to minutes
- The Codex vs Claude analogy that'll stick with you
- Where Lovable, Supabase, and no-code fit next to Laravel and hand-carved code
- Why the People Ops team at Patchstack is now shipping their own apps
Chapters
- 00:00 — Intro
- 01:00 — Culture, frameworks, and the books that actually work
- 03:00 — Rebuilding our old Pfizer security dashboard, the AI way
- 06:30 — Builders, not engineers
- 10:00 — AI as a thought partner
- 12:30 — The role of engineer, irrevocably changed
- 14:30 — "@Claude, is this possible?" — flattening the company
- 18:00 — AI slop, bug bounties, and the time-to-exploit problem
- 23:30 — How Patchstack mitigates at the application layer
- 27:30 — DORA, boring deployments, and tech debt as a loan
- 32:30 — Codex vs Claude: two very different personalities
- 35:00 — No-code, Lovable, and what comes after the engineer
Mentioned in this episode
- Patchstack — https://patchstack.com/
- Laravel, Laravel Nova, Filament, Laravel Cloud
- Claude, Claude Code, Cursor, Codex
- Lovable, Supabase, n8n, Xano, Softr
- Accelerate by Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble, Gene Kim
- The DevOps Handbook by Gene Kim et al.
- Continuous Delivery by Jez Humble and David Farley
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