Will the US and Ukraine Break Up? | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Good morning. It's Thursday, October 15th, 2026.
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This is the program with Ted Rall and Jamarl
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Thomas. Good morning, Jamarl. Nice to see you.
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Nice to see you too. We have a lot this morning.
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I'll tell you what we have in the hopper, then
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we can start getting to it and we'll do some
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housekeeping. Zelensky and Trump appear to be
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headed towards a possible breakup. We'll get
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into the details there. Also, there's controversy
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over Elon Musk and his Starlink Starshield service
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as it pertains to Ukraine. Republicans say that
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their best chance for winning the midterms is
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that all the polls are wrong. Got to laugh there.
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Okay. Harris County, that's in Texas, is looking
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at possibly charging an ICE officer who deliberately
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ran over. a victim that they were tracking, potentially
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constituting aggravated assault. The video is
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online if you want to go check it out. We can
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maybe show it here too. Iran has struck and sent
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two large ships down to the bottom of the Strait
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of Hormuz. That's one of the most violent actions
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that's happened in the Strait since the war began.
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And Representative Ilhan Omar the jihad against
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her from the trump administration continues uh
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with more than a dozen grand jury subpoenas uh
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filed against her and her relatives and they've
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also seized her phone in conjunction with possible
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immigration fraud bear in mind she's running
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for re -election in just three weeks is when
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she's going to be at the polls there so basically
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what you're saying is that while i've been gone
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i haven't missed anything well that's always
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that's how it is when i travel i always think
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like i'm going to come home and there's going
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to be all sorts of exciting things i have such
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fomo and you know nothing really happens you
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know there's a few bills some people have reached
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out but really nothing happens there's nothing
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there's never a reason not to travel okay but
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what happened with omar because like i've been
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off the grid nothing happened like meaning she's
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donald trump is just going after her nothing
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nothing happened with her like meaning What,
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for marrying her brother or what? No. That didn't
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happen. She did not marry her brother. That's
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been debunked. It's not true. Yeah, they're trying
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to say that there's some kind of immigration
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paperwork that took place with her dad. And it's
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like, how do you plan to find that by raiding
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her house? Yeah. Like, you could have sent her
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a letter. Hey, please come to the immigration
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office. This stuff is not necessary. I mean,
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they do know where to find her. Right in Washington.
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Conveniently. Congresswoman. Right. She has an
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office and everything. They know exactly where
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to find her. So basically, what the claim seems
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to be is that her father lied about either his
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age, his wife's age, or Ilhan's age on the application
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forms when they arrived in the United States.
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And basically, maybe there's some way based on
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that to deport Ilhan Omar, which is... you know
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ridiculous it also violates this rule that the
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department of justice usually enforces about
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not charging any kind of political candidate
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you know 60 days or less before an election so
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you know it's obviously very political and and
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disgusting really yesterday we were on there
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being kizzy we were trying to come home from
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glacier national park of course trump is here
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in kalispell and if he's here in montana trying
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to prop up aaron flynn The Republicans know that
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they are in deep doo -doo if he has to be here,
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of all places. Aaron Flynn is who? So Ryan Zinke's
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not running for re -election. So he's stepping
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down. Congress or Senate? Congress. So he's our
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congressman. How many congressmen does Montana
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have? We have two now because our population
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has broken a million. So we have two people.
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And so Aaron Flint is like the handpicked successor
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for the douchebag. And I see that Paulie, I saw
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the douchebags out there because it's really
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a disservice to them of Ryan Zinke. And the guy
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who gets him is a Democrat. His name is Forsath.
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I'm probably going to actually end up voting
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for him. He's a firefighter out here. He's a
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smokejumper. And he just kind of caught fire,
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pardon the pun. And it looks like that he may
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very well win in a very deep red district because
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people here are just sick and tired of all the
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crap. Yep. And I hope he does. I want to point
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out, I predicted this long before the media and
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everything got behind it. I kept saying Republicans
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are going to lose. They're going to lose. By
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the way, Texas also. Tallarica seems to be winning
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in Texas. I mean. He's a funny dude, right? I
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mean, it's for Texas. I mean, I am, you know,
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like I kind of understood. What was her name?
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The governor of Texas, that lady. Oh, my God.
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She was a woman governor of Texas. This is like
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I'm getting old. Ann Richards, right? She was
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governor from 1991 to 1995. And she had, you
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know, she like rode a motorcycle to the statehouse.
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She was, you know, kind of like a badass, brassy
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Texan lady. And you're like, okay, well, if there's
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going to be a woman governor of Texas, and she
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actually wasn't the first one. The first one
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was back in the 20s, Miriam Ferguson. But, you
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know, it's kind of like if they're going to have
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a Democrat, they're going to have someone, you
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know, she's going to be really Texan. This, you
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know, she, this, you know, Tallarico just. You
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know, he doesn't seem really what I think of
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as a Texan, but what do I know? It's a big state.
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I know it's got diversity of all kinds, but still,
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it's kind of like he's kind of like a Mormon.
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He's like a pipsqueak, like all super like clean
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cut and not like particularly butch. And Trump's
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been kind of implying that he's gay, even though
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there's no evidence for that to support that.
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Well, he's been implying he's a vegan also. Right,
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right, which in Texas is worse than being gay.
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You can suck sausage, but you better eat it too.
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You better be willing to eat it. He's been making
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it like he's less than a man or something like
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that. Don't mess with Texas. Look at this guy
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who's emasculant. That type of thing. I don't
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think it has anything to do about it being...
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Well, for one, I don't think that helps the candidate
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that Donald Trump is there stomping for him.
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There's that. Because it ties the two together.
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Two, I don't think it's about Tallarico. I think
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it's the fact that he's a Democrat and he's just
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not a Republican. It's about Paxton, right? Yeah.
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Paxton's a terrible candidate. I was really surprised
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that the Republicans nominated him. Well, he's
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a Trump guy, which is the problem for Paxton.
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Right. But it's also Paxton's a terrible candidate.
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I mean, there's all sorts. He was really deeply
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damaged to begin with, right? I mean, infidelity,
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corruption. I mean, he's not awesome. Yeah. So
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he is. Donald Trump is doing him no favors by
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stomping him. No, he's just not. And I watched
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a video of Trump recently and he's like just
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enjoying the stump speech. He's enjoying it.
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And it's like, dude, you're killing your party.
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Yeah, no, it's amazing. It's amazing to behold.
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So probably that's where we should start. Right.
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So. Politico has a piece, and Axios also today,
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saying that basically at this point, Republicans
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now admit privately that the House of Representatives
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is lost. They're sort of making their peace with
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possibly losing the Senate as well, although
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that's going to definitely be tight. It'll be
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tight. And basically, they're saying that maybe
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the polls are wrong. Polls have certainly been
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wrong before. Can't happen. But once you find
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yourself in one direction, like you have to explain
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how like five different polls from five different
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polling agencies end up like with the same numbers.
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Yeah. Well, you're kind of hoping, you're kind
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of hope. I mean, you know, once you find yourself
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hoping for an act of God, you know, it's like,
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you know, like, you know, maybe my mom won't
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notice the D on my report card and she'll. be
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squinting and it'll look like a bee. You know,
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maybe the principal will forget to call my mom
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and tell her about the incident at school. You
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know, anything could happen. Before he can move
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the piece, the checkmate me. Like if a guy dies,
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before me, then I win the game. Right. It's like,
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oh, if you have to do that, something is wrong.
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I mean, they understand that this is like a live
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by the Trump, die by the Trump. Because as I
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pointed out today, right, like Trump is out there
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giving some speeches like this is just, you know,
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a regular day where he's doing this. He's hamming
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it up. The crowd is screaming at him in adoration
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and he loves it. Missing the fact that this is
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not like a normal campaign where your crowd size
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is indicative of how you're going to perform.
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This is a small amount of people who still are
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on the Trump train with the majority of the people
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are just not. And so it's like you got in office
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based on the strength of Donald Trump. And Donald
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Trump was even able to use the fact of the matter
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that he had that many people that were backing
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him to go after certain Republicans. What's his
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name? Massey being a good example. Or for that
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matter, Marjorie Taylor Greene getting out of
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politics altogether. That was because of the
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power of Trump. What about now? What about now?
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Right. Like they're going to effectively die
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at the hand that got them in office in the first
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place. Yeah. Yeah, they are. Because that's more
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than a cult of personality. I mean, if you're
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going to run on something specifically, increasing
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wages, decreasing the cost of living, or at least
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bringing the two into parity, and then you go
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start wars on behalf of a foreign nation, and
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then economically your people pay the price for
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it. I mean. eventually americans might not really
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understand what happens across the street much
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less across the world but they do understand
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whenever things impact them economically and
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instinctively people know what's wrong and so
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that's what's good that's the issue here is you
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said you're gonna put america first you said
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that we were going to be winning so much and
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we'll be crying to stop people are crying but
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some because of all the women it's because you're
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a buffoon and by the way that argument is dead
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on Because Donald Trump, when he was giving his
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thumb speech, he was like, we beat Iran to death.
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Their inflation, their economy is failing. Their
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military is busted and blah, blah, blah. Okay,
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well, their ship's sinking to the bottom of the
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Strait of Hormuz. One was a tanker ship. The
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other one was a cargo ship. But you can see all
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this stuff just like literally falling to the
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bottom. So they actually sunk two ships there
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while I was gone. Yeah, they did. Sunk two ships.
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But they've been firing at ships all week. I
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know they're firing. I know they've been shooting
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at them. Well, here's the thing. Trump seems
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to go with the argument that. Hey, I understand
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you're in pain, but they're in more pain. And
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again, these rugged individualist Americans that
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don't really give a shit about what's happening
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abroad is not going to care about that. He seems
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to go with this argument or have this belief
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that if I can inflict pain on somebody else,
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then the pain that you're experiencing is less
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than the pain that we're inflicting on them,
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as if the American public cares. They don't accept
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your premise for the war. And so because they
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don't accept your premise of the war, it doesn't
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matter the pain you're inflicting on somebody
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else. We are in pain. Our diesel is through the
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roof. Our inflation is going through the roof.
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That's what we care about. His argument doesn't
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work. No, I mean, the thing is, it's there's
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nothing new in this respect. Right. I mean, like
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we might be living in a different world from
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AI and a million other things. But, you know,
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it's a fundamental truth about about American
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politics is economic matters always dictate the
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outcome. um it's always the number one thing
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on people's minds unless things happen to be
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going relatively well and that's not the case
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now it's not usually the case actually the american
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economy is not really that great for most americans
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most of the time and this is a particularly bad
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time and so you know if you're looking for a
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job or you're hoping for a raise or you know
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god help you and you know even if you already
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have a job God help you in your ability to afford
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to, you know, to buy groceries and gas and all
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and so on. So, you know, everything's going up.
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I don't know. I mean, it's crazy. And let's see.
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We have some comments. Okay. P .L .B. Walker
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says the more people say Democrats are going
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to win, the more individual Democrats will think
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they won't have to show up to vote. And also,
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remember, the polling companies are paid by political
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parties. Some of them are. It's always nice when
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they return results that support the current
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trench of political operatives running their
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respective parties. But they also have internal
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polling, which is basically what they really
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rely upon. There's the public polling. And nowadays,
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there's a bunch of bullshit polls that you can't
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really pay attention to. If you've never heard
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of it, the odds are there's a reason that you
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should just ignore it. But that is I mean, look,
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Republicans are going to lose the House. No question
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about it. I don't I just don't know if it's going
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to be historic like 1982 or 1974 or just substantial.
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But it's not going to be less than substantial.
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That's for sure. I would make a prediction. It
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will be historic. I think so, too. It's just
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so he's like I've never seen like. a polling
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that had like 80 of the american public against
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the president on the economy like or he's 80
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points underwater meaning from when he got in
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office and this kind of you know this belief
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that he was much better than the democratic party
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in which case he had like a 30 point lead on
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kamala harris to now it's like an 80 point difference
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and the polling people were like we've never
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seen anything like it and can you really blame
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him when you look at the price of gas and diesel
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When is the last time? I've never seen gas at
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$4 .32. I've never seen it. And yet here in Virginia,
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in Richmond, who doesn't necessarily have all
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the more expensive gas, it was like $4 .32. It
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even hit like $4 .50. You could say the Putin
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price hike for Joe Biden, this is obviously worse,
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which means that everybody pays it. It hits every
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last person. And because it hits every last person.
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Even if you bike every day, it hits you because
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you're buying stuff that's transported by fuel,
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right? Exactly. And so it's like, is it shocking
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to see polling that says the public is pissed
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off at Trump because of it? No, it's not shocking.
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It makes all the sense in the world. I'm more
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confused by the 20%. I'm agreed with that. I'm
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also confused by the fact that Trump doesn't
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even attempt to talk this down a little bit.
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I mean, he doesn't even, you know, when you tell
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people, hey, the economy is great. I heard him
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say that yesterday at a rally. The economy is
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doing great. Okay, that's televised. People hear
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that. If I were the Democrats, I would just be
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playing Trump saying that over and over and attack
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ads. It's bad enough to be feeling the pain.
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It's worse when the President of the United States
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is... you know denying that your pain even exists
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i mean americans are rugged individualists right
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we we tend to personalize internalize uh our
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you know we lose our job we just roll up our
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sleeves and try to find another one we don't
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kind of look to the government to go out and
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protest and say you should be providing us with
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more jobs we just try to take care of it ourselves
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but but but it does go a bridge too far for americans
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when when biden did the same thing like oh you
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guys you know you you don't see the numbers that
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we see you guys don't really know what you're
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talking about we're looking at different metrics
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like no don't tell me when i you know my credit
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card isn't isn't screaming in pain um you know
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when it is and like yeah it's it's i mean that's
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the part that's crazy to me is that he can't
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even say you know like guys i get it it's a little
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rough But it's worth it. And it's only temporary.
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And I promise you it's going to get better. And
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I'm working on it. I'm working on it night and
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day. He doesn't say that because he doesn't have
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not only does he not have empathy. I mean, he
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just doesn't. It's not in his. It's not. There's
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no empathy in his in his personality. But on
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top of that, he doesn't even know how to act
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and pretend as though he had empathy. I mean,
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I don't think Bill Clinton cared about us either,
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but he knew how to pretend that he felt our pain.
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He rejected. Yeah. No, I accept that. Yeah, I
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agree. He's obviously unempathetic. The only
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modification I would make to that is he does.
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You're right. He doesn't have this. So it doesn't
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come across well. But he does make this argument
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of like, well, the war will be over with after
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the election. The problem is he's been telling
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us that. You know, he's been saying that since
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the beginning of the war. He said that it was
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won after the first weekend, right? I mean, there's
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a classic editorial cartoon from the Vietnam
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War by Mike Peters where it's Richard Nixon.
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He kept saying about the Vietnam War, the end
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is right around the corner. And so it's a visual
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pun, right? And you see him just going around
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the corner and around the corner and around the
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corner. And he's right back where he started,
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right? The end is right around the corner. And
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that's... You know, I mean, we've heard that
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too many times. Nobody believes a word that he
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has to say because he said the same thing over
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and over with no grounds to. I mean, it's like
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it's like the Ukraine thing that he was going
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to end on day one. Right. I can end it in 24
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hours. Here we are. Right. We're going to be
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talking about that. But yeah, it's not ending
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anytime soon. Trump has no exit. And Reuters
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is reporting that Donald Trump is talking about
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war plans, this idea of attacks on Iran, what
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they could hit the energy grids and those type
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of things. And, you know, this was reported before,
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too, right, where the Trump administration was
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thinking about attacking, but he kept backing
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away from the attacks. There is no military solution,
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which is the issue. Well, I mean, there's a military
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solution. It just favors Iran. I mean, it's like
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they have a military solution. They've already
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achieved their military solution. To be honest,
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it doesn't really favor Iran because Iran never
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wanted a war, right? They don't want their infrastructure
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blown up. They don't want their oil refinery.
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They just want to be able to sell their oil and
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do their business like any other country. That's
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all they want. And so it's like, does it favor
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Iran? It doesn't favor them, but it destroys
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the world, or at least the world's economy. Meaning
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Trump could do that, but that's not really a
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military solution. That is you hitting targets,
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and then you're going to have to deal with the
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fact that Iran is going to respond, and their
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response is going to be commiserate with your
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attack, which can be withering. To all of us.
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So, I don't know. I agree with you. He doesn't
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have empathy. He doesn't even have to know how
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to pretend. If I was a Democrat, especially in
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Montana, I'd be running that clip over and over
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again about Donald Trump talking about Argentine
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farmers. It's like, well, we got to buy Argentine
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beef. Fuck American farmers. I would be showing
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ads about fertilizer going 70, 80%. I would be
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showing all this. Because all of it is true.
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They are. This is the... There are a bunch of
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grassroots groups. And what I mean by grassroots,
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I mean organizations not being funded by some
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pack out of D .C. Yeah. And, I mean, when we
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were coming home, so basically if you're coming
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home from Glacier Park, you go down what's called
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Highway 2. And it's a long hill. I live like
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35 miles away from the park. And there's lots
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of ranches on either side. You go through Columbia
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Falls. Columbia Falls is a little town. Its major
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economy used to be an aluminum plant. The plant's
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gone. It was outsourced to China. So the town
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is decimated. And there are people on either
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side, because if you're going to Trump's rally,
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you've got to go on this road. There's only two
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major highways where I am. And they're holding
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up signs saying, Trump cares more about Argentina
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than he does about you. Really? Yeah. These are
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just normal people. These are just normal folks
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out there just wearing flannels, just standing
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out there in 30 degree temperature. It's just
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people are pissed. And the fact that the RNC
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has got to deploy both of our senators, Tim Sheehy
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and Steve Daines, and the president to come campaign
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for Aaron Flint, who is a complete buffoon in
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deep red Montana. So is he going to lose? Who's
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going to win here? Who do you think? I'm hoping
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so. I have no idea, and I really don't know if
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voting for the firefighters will make any difference.
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I know that polling in Montana is thin on the
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ground. I looked into that. There's not a lot
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of reliable polling. It must be very hard to
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poll. It's very hard to poll there because it's
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so sparsely populated. Also, people here don't
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understand why Trump's picking a fight with Canada.
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Because that's right. The Canadians coming down
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is a big part of the economy here. They're coming
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down here to shop because it's cheaper to shop
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here in the U .S. than it is in Canada. No one
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on the border understands why we picked a fight
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with Canada. I mean, no American can possibly
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explain. No defender of Donald Trump can possibly
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explain to me. Donald Trump cannot explain to
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me why he picked a fight with Canada. I mean,
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the man is insane. I mean, I don't think there's
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any other way. By the way, I was thinking that
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he needs a... In the same way that the Republicans
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are kind of hoping that the dog will eat their
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homework or something on the polling, what they
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need is for the Strait of Hormuz to detach itself
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and float away from Iran and go thousands of
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miles away. Then the U .S. has a chance to win
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this war. But as long as the Strait of Hormuz
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is pretty much where it is now, or within a few
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hundred miles, they're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed.
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You know, a little continental drift. You know,
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they need that to rock. A lot of continental
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drift. A lot of continental drift. I mean, we
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should not be going thousands of miles to pick
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fights. This is necessary. I think Trump is necessary.
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Like Carl used to say, he's my president. I think
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he's great. I mean, I said this in 2017. I was
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like, American foreign policy is rude, crude,
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and socially unacceptable, right? I mean, and
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so is Donald Trump. And I thought he was seriously,
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it was great to have truth in advertising after
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eight years of the very civilized, calm, smooth,
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professorial Barack Obama, who... put up such
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a beautiful face on such an ugly system it's
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like now we have a nasty president to uh you
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know just to prop up the nasty empire and its
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nasty deeds i'm with you i i you and i both don't
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like it's like yeah the veneer is gone yeah it's
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very honest And by the way, for the Democrats
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who think that this MAGA phenomenon is new, too,
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like, no, no, no. That strain in politics has
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always been with us, and it always will be. You
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know, like the John Birch Society, the Tea Party,
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you name it, whatever. It's just cynical. But,
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I mean, and let's be honest, though. Those things
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were harnessed, not used in earnest. Like, Donald
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Trump didn't MAGA, let's say, in its... rawest
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form, this idea of America first. It's not what
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he did. This wasn't America first. This was something
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else. An American first foreign policy would
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just look differently and, weirdly enough, would
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be supported by many Democrats. Even though they
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wouldn't necessarily support a Republican doing
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it, it would be supported by Democrats. Meaning,
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if you say, look, we're pulling out of the war
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in Ukraine because we shouldn't be in this fight.
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This was Joe Biden's war and he did this on day
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one. He would have gotten credit from that. even
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from many people on the left who was against
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the war, right? If Donald Trump said, look, we're
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not fighting Israel's wars, just not having a
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war in and of itself, focusing on the American
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economy, those things, depending upon how we
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went about it, because Donald Trump is incompetent,
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so there's that. Those things would have been
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valued as an actual America first. That's not
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what Trump did. It's just not what he did. He
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did the opposite of those things. So I don't
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know. It's like you may harness the Tea Party.
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You may harness MAGA. You may harness these things.
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But it's not like they're used in earnest once
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the president gets an office. But you can correct
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me on this. You know this better than I do. Yeah,
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no. I don't have anything to say to that. You're
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right. It's totally, yeah, totally. By the way,
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they do the same thing to Democrats. Like Occupy
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Wall Street being harnessed by Obama. Well, Obama
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starts using the 1 % in his speeches, despite
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the fact he's being paid by Citigroup. they harness
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the stuff they don't yeah they do in earnest
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no i mean yeah i mean i i will say this again
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i've said it before i'm sure i'll say it again
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um you know it it's like we think we're raised
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as kids to believe that basically you have a
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political system where we elect politicians who
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then try to determine a way to uh to identify
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the top problems of the country you know present
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and future and try to come up with solutions
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to them and then debate them and that there's
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different ways to skin a cat and that they debate
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that in Congress. And then ultimately what comes
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out of this system is something that is an attempt
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to solve our problems. That's just not true.
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That's just not the system. And I think if the
00:27:15.210 --> 00:27:17.349
American people realize that they're being played
00:27:17.349 --> 00:27:20.609
over and over and over by that, it's a grift.
00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:23.839
That neither party gives a shit about them. It's
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a money making operation. You know, it's I don't
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.519
even think it's fair to say that it's corrupt
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.000
because corruption implies that it's not that
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.579
it's kind of like if it wasn't being run. Yeah.
00:27:38.859 --> 00:27:41.849
Sorry. That is out of bounds. Corruption implies
00:27:41.849 --> 00:27:44.509
that something is out of bounds. Exactly, that
00:27:44.509 --> 00:27:46.329
the machine isn't working the way it's supposed
00:27:46.329 --> 00:27:48.829
to. It's like, no, no, no, this machine is working
00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:52.650
exactly the way it's supposed to. Let me tell
00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:55.210
you this. This is wild because the whole reason
00:27:55.210 --> 00:27:58.869
I'm even here is as of last night, we went to
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church this Wednesday night. I'm one of those
00:28:00.650 --> 00:28:03.990
Bible thumpers, as you all know. And Kizzy, she
00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:08.490
had to serve in the kids' class. So that's why
00:28:08.490 --> 00:28:11.420
we're back. One of the people who go to our church
00:28:11.420 --> 00:28:15.740
was wearing a T -shirt. And this is wild. I go
00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:18.740
to a small, independent, fundamentalist, Zionist
00:28:18.740 --> 00:28:22.670
church. That's what we got here. And this guy
00:28:22.670 --> 00:28:26.380
was wearing a shirt that says, Satan is a liar.
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.640
Or no, it says the devil is a liar. That's what
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.500
it said. And someone looked at him and said,
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.839
oh, are you going to go see Trump after church?
00:28:35.809 --> 00:28:39.470
I mean, think about what I just said. Well, maybe
00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:42.670
the devil is a liar, but maybe the liar isn't
00:28:42.670 --> 00:28:46.769
always the devil, right? That's funny. The fact
00:28:46.769 --> 00:28:50.250
that that comment would even be made shows just
00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:57.670
how deep this anger has gotten. It's crazy. When
00:28:57.670 --> 00:28:59.630
Kamala Harris was running, and I remember I was
00:28:59.630 --> 00:29:02.369
at the pharmacist, quote unquote, as they call
00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:05.769
them in D .C. I was at the pharmacist, and one
00:29:05.769 --> 00:29:07.170
of the people that was in the pharmacist bought
00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:09.440
up. the race they were like just talking offhand
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.180
and the woman african -american woman she was
00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:13.400
like i don't think i can vote for cars she's
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.140
supporting a genocide i can't support somebody
00:29:15.140 --> 00:29:17.000
who's supporting a genocide and i was like oh
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.569
she's screwed if you can't get the black community
00:29:20.569 --> 00:29:23.170
in dc and you got people who are ambivalent about
00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:25.390
voting for you that are african -americans this
00:29:25.390 --> 00:29:27.130
is the bread and butter of the democratic party
00:29:27.130 --> 00:29:30.210
and this random person is having a random conversation
00:29:30.210 --> 00:29:34.480
with central casting yeah you know i think i'm
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.079
saying like there are things that are indicative
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.589
of kind of like Hillary Clinton. I remember when
00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:45.779
I was working in the software shop and it was
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.200
noted that somebody was dispatched from the Clinton
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.519
campaign to go to Wisconsin on the day of the
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.720
election. I was like, she's fucked. If you're
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.700
not going to win Wisconsin and you're that concerned
00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:56.880
about Wisconsin on the day of the election, A,
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.460
you're going to lose it. And she did. In fact,
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.279
she lost all of those upper states. You remember
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.019
my Wisconsin story though, right? I was friends
00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:08.430
with a... person who was pretty high ranked in
00:30:08.430 --> 00:30:11.910
the uh in the clinton campaign and he's and so
00:30:11.910 --> 00:30:14.329
he said that she had a remarkable phenomenon
00:30:14.329 --> 00:30:17.069
which was that they had tracking polls in the
00:30:17.069 --> 00:30:19.609
counties after before and after she appeared
00:30:19.609 --> 00:30:22.390
she was the only candidate that he was aware
00:30:22.390 --> 00:30:25.150
of or that any other uh campaign experts were
00:30:25.150 --> 00:30:28.609
aware of in like modern history who when she
00:30:28.609 --> 00:30:30.970
appeared somewhere in public her tracking polls
00:30:30.970 --> 00:30:34.349
in that area would drop wow like everyone else
00:30:34.349 --> 00:30:37.339
is just grateful like You know, I'm sure in Kalispell,
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.019
Trump's tracking polls did not drop. I don't
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:42.259
know if they went up, but they don't, you know,
00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.740
normally people are just happy that, you know,
00:30:44.740 --> 00:30:46.579
a presidential candidate or the president got
00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:49.920
on a plane and came to their town and talked
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.079
to them. They appreciate that. But in Hillary's
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:57.559
case. To know, know, know her is to hate, hate,
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.680
hate her. And that's how it was, right? I mean,
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.220
she was, you know, it's kind of like when it
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:08.859
comes to Hillary, less is more. That's why it's
00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:12.000
not like, you know, the official story is, oh,
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.279
they were incompetent. They forgot to send her
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.730
to Wisconsin because nobody paid attention. no
00:31:16.730 --> 00:31:19.130
that's not what happened at all they were totally
00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:21.809
competent they knew exactly that wisconsin was
00:31:21.809 --> 00:31:24.470
in play they didn't that that's why they didn't
00:31:24.470 --> 00:31:27.329
send her they were scared to send her because
00:31:27.329 --> 00:31:29.589
they thought it would up wisconsin even more
00:31:29.589 --> 00:31:32.849
which you know in a way is they'd rather be perceived
00:31:32.849 --> 00:31:35.730
as incompetent than for their candidate to be
00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:38.250
perceived as toxic which she was which she was
00:31:38.250 --> 00:31:43.099
yep yep i mean i don't think kamala was toxic
00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:47.730
i think she was just a derp you know, she was
00:31:47.730 --> 00:31:49.069
worth it. I was only using it to give across
00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:53.490
how, like, small events can foretell larger disaster.
00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:56.190
And the fact that the guy was making that comment
00:31:56.190 --> 00:32:00.849
at Church with Robbie, I think, be spelled, indicates
00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:04.150
disaster. Oh, yeah, no. When you've lost, when
00:32:04.150 --> 00:32:07.529
Republican Party has to fight for Montana, forget
00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:10.230
it. Yeah, something's wrong. Game over, man!
00:32:10.450 --> 00:32:15.740
Like Bill Paxton in Aliens. All right, so...
00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:19.910
Iran, obviously, totally in control of the Strait
00:32:19.910 --> 00:32:24.150
of Hormuz. Energy analysts are now saying they're
00:32:24.150 --> 00:32:26.630
really expecting another big spike in oil prices.
00:32:26.750 --> 00:32:31.589
Now, basically, all of the tricks that the Trump
00:32:31.589 --> 00:32:34.230
administration and the oil companies have been
00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.089
using to keep prices down, releasing reserves
00:32:37.089 --> 00:32:41.009
and all that, that they're out of cards now.
00:32:41.390 --> 00:32:43.630
There's no more jokers to pull out of the deck.
00:32:44.009 --> 00:32:46.680
And we're going to start to see, you know, real
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.920
serious like right now national average is like
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.000
close to five dollars a gallon um you know we're
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.400
the sky's the limit now I mean they're gonna
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.480
have to start thinking about four digit gas pumps
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:06.519
um good it's necessary we I look it's not we'll
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.380
get our attention maybe yeah maybe we won't do
00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:11.400
this anymore I doubt it but like there should
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.579
be consequences for bad behavior in this case
00:33:13.579 --> 00:33:16.319
like the idea that we can go to other countries
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.849
and kill people it's just outrageous But Donald
00:33:18.849 --> 00:33:20.589
Trump's going to walk away with billions of dollars.
00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:23.430
Yeah, and that we don't care about it is amazing.
00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:26.650
And now you have to care. And there's no protests
00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:29.470
and there's no left. I mean, I have this conversation
00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:33.150
all the time where people are like, oh, we do
00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:36.309
protest. We go out to, I went to a No Kings rally.
00:33:36.609 --> 00:33:38.990
I swear to God, people actually say that to me
00:33:38.990 --> 00:33:41.910
on my Facebook page. I'm like, okay, that's not
00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:44.049
what I need. I mean, like what the students are
00:33:44.049 --> 00:33:46.710
doing in France. In Europe. That's protesting.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.140
That's actual. Belgium, France, Spain, et cetera.
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.750
That's a protest. Like, did you see the protests
00:33:53.750 --> 00:33:55.130
that were taking place in Belgium? It was like
00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:57.750
they were tearing shit down. It's every day.
00:33:57.869 --> 00:34:02.410
Things are on fire. Like schools are closed.
00:34:02.990 --> 00:34:05.789
Businesses are closed. There's solidarity, not
00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:09.550
just among the aggrieved parties, but other groups
00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:11.730
that seem like they're unrelated, like the police
00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:15.849
union. There's solidarity. That's a protest movement.
00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:18.179
Are they still going to lose their jobs? Oh,
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.119
yeah, yeah, yeah. It will happen, by the way,
00:34:20.139 --> 00:34:21.840
when the oil price... Because, look, what's going
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.639
to happen is, and people may not realize this,
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.840
when the oil price goes up to a certain amount,
00:34:26.059 --> 00:34:28.659
companies start to dissolve because they can't
00:34:28.659 --> 00:34:30.159
necessarily afford to operate. Same thing in
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.679
Germany, right? Well, all of the companies...
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.260
The AFD leader in Germany was giving a speech
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.400
effectively saying, merits is at 10%, companies
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.460
are going belly up and are leaving the country.
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:42.840
And she's right. And the reason is because of
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.570
the price point for energy in Europe. fundamentally
00:34:45.570 --> 00:34:47.730
and radically changed the moment that nordstrom
00:34:47.730 --> 00:34:49.329
blew up and the war started and they started
00:34:49.329 --> 00:34:51.989
cutting off energy um in their usage in which
00:34:51.989 --> 00:34:54.949
case okay well this and by the way that has a
00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:57.269
direct result between with what's going on in
00:34:57.269 --> 00:34:59.510
france and belgium and so on right yes because
00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:02.190
it's like they had to impose austerity because
00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:04.489
their economy is in trouble and they they can't
00:35:04.489 --> 00:35:07.030
they can't maintain their schools are the protests
00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:10.570
in france still going on i've been off off every
00:35:10.570 --> 00:35:13.789
single day it's almost a month now yeah they've
00:35:13.789 --> 00:35:15.579
been going on for a while and they spread to
00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:18.039
other european countries seven days a week 24
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.539
000. so who else who else protested now france
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:25.079
belgium spain uh that was somewhere else the
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.139
spanish are pissed off because that landlord
00:35:27.139 --> 00:35:29.420
killed that little old lady by being a greedy
00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:32.480
bastard and they're right to be pissed off 100
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.360
but that's that's ted's point about solidarity
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.019
like we look at ourselves as rugged individualists
00:35:38.019 --> 00:35:41.269
which inhibits any notion of solidarity and i
00:35:41.269 --> 00:35:43.210
would argue that part and parcel to the reason
00:35:43.210 --> 00:35:45.050
why there aren't protests like that in the states
00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:46.449
because anything happens to us we look at it
00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:48.809
as individual as opposed to like when you would
00:35:48.809 --> 00:35:50.389
have saw that woman get evicted it's like oh
00:35:50.389 --> 00:35:52.599
that sucks for her and we would have went on
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.389
and I mean, look, there's no question there's
00:35:55.389 --> 00:35:58.190
an individual, a strong individualistic component
00:35:58.190 --> 00:36:00.909
in the human personality. But there's also a
00:36:00.909 --> 00:36:05.130
communitarian impulse. And in this country, you
00:36:05.130 --> 00:36:07.250
see it expressed, for example, by the people
00:36:07.250 --> 00:36:09.650
who say, oh, I would want socialized medicine
00:36:09.650 --> 00:36:13.630
or I would consider voting for the DSA. Even
00:36:13.630 --> 00:36:15.869
though that stuff is like soft and squishy and
00:36:15.869 --> 00:36:18.610
it's not communist the way I would like, you
00:36:18.610 --> 00:36:22.369
know, you can see the impulse. Americans recognize
00:36:22.369 --> 00:36:25.170
that they're losing out, that something's missing,
00:36:25.250 --> 00:36:26.889
that they need something better and different,
00:36:26.949 --> 00:36:29.769
that they need to come together and push back
00:36:29.769 --> 00:36:32.849
against this hegemonic system that is crushing
00:36:32.849 --> 00:36:36.730
them. Well, I agree with you, but I think it
00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:40.599
goes both ways. I think. I think both impulses
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.260
can be stimulated. You can have the impulse of
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.380
people saying, hey, let's work together, in which
00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:46.800
case if you were raised that way, that would
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.980
be the way that your community kind of operates
00:36:48.980 --> 00:36:50.480
or looked at themselves, kind of like France,
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.480
right? Right. Where they're willing to protest,
00:36:52.539 --> 00:36:54.679
they're willing to go after stuff if it's in
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:57.659
the interest of the collective. You can be taught
00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:59.699
that way and you can be raised that way or you
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:02.599
can be raised in an individualistic way. that
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.920
you are your own person. You are a rugged individualist.
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.820
You do so -and -so. Both things can be stimulated
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:10.320
from the standpoint of the human beings. I always
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.219
say human beings are water in the glass. You
00:37:12.219 --> 00:37:15.000
could be either of those things. It's just that
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.099
the one impulse is stimulated in this country.
00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:20.510
It's not the community. And so, you know, you
00:37:20.510 --> 00:37:22.050
get a situation where fuel prices go through
00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:25.250
the roof and the American public can't come together
00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.829
and say, this is outrageous. This is unacceptable.
00:37:28.449 --> 00:37:30.710
If it was France, well, obviously the students
00:37:30.710 --> 00:37:33.000
are burning shit down. They do. It's the same
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.860
thing, I guess is what I'm saying. It's just
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:38.219
we deal with it in a different way. It doesn't
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:41.119
hit us in a way where we go and burn the White
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:42.739
House down, even when that should be taking place.
00:37:42.980 --> 00:37:44.639
Look, we will get to a point where businesses
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.199
are not able to pay the price point of fuel.
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:49.059
Well, let's say you can sell your cookies at
00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:50.860
$4. That's already starting to happen, yeah.
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:52.739
Yeah, but you can't sell them at $5. With diesel.
00:37:53.420 --> 00:37:55.739
When it hits $5, those companies go belly up.
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.239
And yeah, it's already happening with diesel.
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.400
And there's trucks that are just stopped on the
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.639
side of... Interstate 70 in Ohio right now, not
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.480
going anywhere as a result of, you know, their
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.780
companies have been and, you know, they pay late
00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:09.860
fees for not delivering their goods on time.
00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.900
And even accounting for that, you know, the cold
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.139
blooded Excel spreadsheet has told them, like,
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.300
we're probably better off just being taken, absorbing,
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.659
eating the late fees because the diesel is too
00:38:19.659 --> 00:38:25.190
expensive. It's not coming down. No. So I don't
00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:26.050
know what they're going to do with the trucks,
00:38:26.150 --> 00:38:30.190
but it's not coming down anytime soon. No. for
00:38:30.190 --> 00:38:33.650
sure resume strikes and iran destroys capacity
00:38:33.650 --> 00:38:36.630
like meaning not just we can't get it through
00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:38.530
straight but it just doesn't exist it's like
00:38:38.530 --> 00:38:41.570
well the hooties are destroying capacity right
00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:46.170
i mean uh holy i'm sorry allah they're they're
00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:48.889
like kicking ass and taking names they they set
00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:52.170
the uh aramco office building on fire um you
00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:55.639
know i mean We, you know, yesterday we had Leif
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.000
Malouf on and, you know, we talked a little bit
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.619
about it, but I kind of think we do need an economic
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.159
expert on the oil politics to come on and talk
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.559
about, I mean, honestly, Saudi Arabia, they don't
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.019
have a way to get, I mean, if they need to basically
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:17.460
nuke the Houthis, which they can't do, otherwise,
00:39:17.739 --> 00:39:19.260
I mean, they need to, and they probably need
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:21.579
to nuke Iran too, which again, they can't do.
00:39:22.329 --> 00:39:24.730
I mean, I don't see what options they have. I
00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:28.949
mean, as I see it, you know, this is checkmate,
00:39:29.050 --> 00:39:32.309
right? Like, you're going to lose. You have no
00:39:32.309 --> 00:39:34.849
place to go. You can't, you know, you can't use
00:39:34.849 --> 00:39:36.929
the Strait of Hormuz. You can't use the Gulf
00:39:36.929 --> 00:39:40.769
of Aden. And you can't use your pipeline. I mean,
00:39:40.809 --> 00:39:43.469
if you look at a map, they've got no other options.
00:39:43.690 --> 00:39:45.869
I mean, I guess they could make nice with the
00:39:45.869 --> 00:39:48.349
Russians and try to, you know, export north.
00:39:48.670 --> 00:39:51.320
They're not going to do that. So, like, there's
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.320
just no, they don't have, they've painted themselves
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.699
into a corner. And, you know, Saudi Arabia is,
00:39:57.699 --> 00:40:00.880
you know, the number two or three largest oil
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.380
exporting nation in the world. I mean. Is there
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.360
anything out of Israel now with the elections
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.099
going on there? Is there any kind of economic
00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:10.800
pain that they're feeling? Are they being hurt
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.719
the way we are here in the U .S. or Europe? If
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.659
so, are there protests going on there? Like,
00:40:14.659 --> 00:40:18.019
what have you all seen coming out of that hellhole?
00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:19.940
I haven't seen much of anything coming out of
00:40:19.940 --> 00:40:21.880
Israel. I mean, most of the news has been Saudi
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.659
Arabia, as Ted said, getting the shit kicked
00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:25.920
out of them. I mean, Saudi Arabia is a glass
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.219
house, right? The election's in 12 days. With
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:31.699
the oil, with the election's in 12 days for Israel?
00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:35.880
Yeah. He's up for re -election. And then Yahoo's
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.219
losing. um he he's currently the but here's the
00:40:39.219 --> 00:40:42.179
thing it's a parliamentary system so nanya who
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:45.400
could technically uh his party could lose likud
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.059
but he could still win if he can form a government
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:50.219
right because he has to form a coalition with
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:53.260
all the right -wing uh religious parties and
00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:55.699
that's usually what he does if they were to withhold
00:40:55.699 --> 00:40:58.980
their support then he would be um you know if
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:01.480
his opponent were to form a coalition with the
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.420
arab party something that up until now no jewish
00:41:05.420 --> 00:41:08.559
party is ever willing to do then though that
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.820
would be a game changer so it depends on how
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:14.800
badly he wants to win right but he's ahead wait
00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:16.750
a minute didn't one of the government's former
00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:19.570
coalition with the arab party a few years ago
00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:22.389
i could be wrong no i think you're right briefly
00:41:22.389 --> 00:41:25.730
and it was like one but basically it's not something
00:41:25.730 --> 00:41:28.190
they like to do no they typically don't do they
00:41:28.190 --> 00:41:31.969
typically freeze out the arab parties um if netanyahu
00:41:31.969 --> 00:41:35.880
loses there may be a cage with his name on it.
00:41:36.389 --> 00:41:37.969
Because the only thing that's keeping him out
00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:39.869
of jail right now is the fact that there's really,
00:41:39.989 --> 00:41:43.679
that he's in government. True. He and Trump have
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.500
that in common. Yes, they do. And Netanyahu has
00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:48.139
run into a headwind with this notion of people
00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:50.900
pointing out, it seems that you allowed October
00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:55.840
7th to happen. Almost certainly. Look, at bare
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.380
minimum, they were dumb. Okay, so if we are to
00:42:00.380 --> 00:42:03.420
believe Bibi Netanyahu and his defenders, we
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:06.239
are... it's does it's still a terrible look right
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.719
so to hear them it's like well we basically just
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.760
forgot to send people to the kibbutzim for over
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.980
eight and a half hours and also we never saw
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:20.039
it coming despite the fact that we have the masad
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.380
and you know this vaunted intelligence agency
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:24.860
uh but nevertheless they didn't know what the
00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:27.440
they were doing and they never even though the
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.460
practice sessions for hamas were posted on the
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:32.360
internet and but They didn't read the internet.
00:42:32.659 --> 00:42:34.699
That's literally like, you know, so literally
00:42:34.699 --> 00:42:37.659
it's like, I'm not corrupt. I didn't let it happen.
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.280
I just never saw it coming because I'm a dingus.
00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:44.760
That's your campaign. And I'm the one that's
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.750
keeping you safe. Right. In a country where the
00:42:48.750 --> 00:42:51.010
voters, that's the only thing they care about
00:42:51.010 --> 00:42:53.710
is being kept safe, right? Yeah. And that was
00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:55.889
the one thing that he failed on. It's kind of
00:42:55.889 --> 00:42:57.849
like the US. The one thing Americans care about
00:42:57.849 --> 00:42:59.789
is the economy. That's the one thing you failed
00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:02.090
on. Like, I don't know how he gets elected with
00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:05.289
that. You know, I mean, like you can be like
00:43:05.289 --> 00:43:07.710
he's kind of following the George W. Bush model.
00:43:07.969 --> 00:43:10.170
I always thought Democrats would say George W.
00:43:10.250 --> 00:43:12.289
Bush was supposed to keep you safe and he didn't
00:43:12.289 --> 00:43:14.989
on 9 -11. He fucked up. But they didn't play
00:43:14.989 --> 00:43:17.050
that card. And, you know, Bush basically was
00:43:17.050 --> 00:43:19.750
like, you know, I'm going to use this as my Reichstag
00:43:19.750 --> 00:43:22.530
fire moment to start some wars against countries
00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:25.190
that had nothing to do with 9 -11. I mean, this
00:43:25.190 --> 00:43:27.289
is it's even more potent for Netanyahu because
00:43:27.289 --> 00:43:29.440
it's like, you know, they want. They want greater
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.139
Israel, right? Literally, the Times of Israel
00:43:32.139 --> 00:43:34.500
is now publishing articles where they're not
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:36.639
joking, where they're calling for Lebensraum,
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.820
which was the Nazi German word for living space.
00:43:42.139 --> 00:43:44.739
They wanted, you know, like we, Germany's all
00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:48.099
penned in, little tiny Germany. Never mind, it's
00:43:48.099 --> 00:43:49.619
the biggest country in Europe, but, you know,
00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:52.719
tiny little Germany, and it needs some breathing
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.480
room out east, mostly, but not just. And Israel
00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:02.480
is literally like, we need Lebanon. But that's
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:03.760
what they've been trying to do the entire way
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.900
through. Meaning, whether they say it or not,
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.820
them destroying Gaza, like flattening Gaza, them
00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:13.119
flattening these areas of Lebanon. Okay, why
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.159
are they doing that? Why are they going after
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:16.780
construction equipment? Why are they going after
00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:19.260
construction companies? Why are they doing that?
00:44:19.420 --> 00:44:22.059
We don't want you to rebuild because we want
00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:25.519
that territory. Meaning, regardless of whether
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.719
they say it. it is literally what they've been
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.380
doing from day one yeah yeah um we got some comments
00:44:32.380 --> 00:44:34.840
and just a reminder everyone uh donations are
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.239
kind of down and uh if you can see your way clear
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.440
and you like the show uh you know don't you don't
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.219
have to put a ring on it but definitely think
00:44:42.219 --> 00:44:44.300
about putting sending some money our way so we
00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:49.099
can keep doing this um okay so uh this is from
00:44:49.099 --> 00:44:51.679
duskburn ted means man the barricades and i'm
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.559
here for it But it won't happen until they openly
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.619
declare our votes invalid and people start freezing
00:44:57.619 --> 00:45:01.079
and going hungry. January is going to be wild.
00:45:02.369 --> 00:45:06.530
Yeah, agreed. And Maverick says we'll be buying
00:45:06.530 --> 00:45:13.300
Iranian oil from Russia, LOL. With luck. Montana
00:45:13.300 --> 00:45:14.639
native. That's what people have been saying,
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.440
that the diesel deal that Donald Trump struck
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.039
is Russia taking Iranian oil and selling it to
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.860
the Americans. Oh, yeah. yeah yeah i don't i
00:45:21.860 --> 00:45:24.380
don't think it's that much oil but okay no it's
00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:26.139
not that much montana native i've heard a few
00:45:26.139 --> 00:45:28.400
people say that the house of saud is collapsing
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:36.239
viva la viva la um and justice says assassination
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.159
of journalist jamal khashoggi by saudi agents
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.519
oh following the assassination of khashoggi epstein
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.559
exchanged messages with associates closely tracking
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.219
the international fallout remarking that well
00:45:50.659 --> 00:45:54.380
The murder, dot, dot, dot. And thank you, Ray,
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:57.380
for the $10 for the beer fund, gentlemen. Much
00:45:57.380 --> 00:46:02.059
appreciated. So, yeah, thanks for coming through
00:46:02.059 --> 00:46:05.619
for us that way. Okay, we have more to talk about.
00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:09.420
14 minutes left in the show. So what do we want
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:12.380
to talk about? Ilhan Omar. We want to talk about
00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:16.579
ICE. Is this a two -hour show today? Is it Thursday?
00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:20.070
Today's a one -hour show. One -hour show. I'm
00:46:20.070 --> 00:46:26.769
so confused. I don't know. I don't know. No TMI
00:46:26.769 --> 00:46:30.570
today. No TMI today. TMI resumes next Tuesday.
00:46:31.769 --> 00:46:36.869
Okay. Let's do Ilhan Omar. Okay. I find this
00:46:36.869 --> 00:46:40.230
to be outrageous only because if they can do
00:46:40.230 --> 00:46:41.409
this to her, they can do this to pretty much
00:46:41.409 --> 00:46:43.289
anybody. I mean, she's a sitting congresswoman
00:46:43.289 --> 00:46:46.630
who they're using the FBI. By the way, this is
00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:50.130
very Nixonian. um like when nixon was using the
00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:52.110
irs to go after political opponents and they
00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:55.170
put a bar between the irs and um and and the
00:46:55.170 --> 00:46:59.190
white house it feels not just feels he is using
00:46:59.190 --> 00:47:01.909
the fbi to go after a sitting person of congress
00:47:01.909 --> 00:47:05.949
using effectively her race uh as a rationale
00:47:05.949 --> 00:47:09.760
to do so how on earth could ilhan omar have anything
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.679
to do with her father bringing her into the country
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.650
decades before and how are you raiding her house
00:47:15.650 --> 00:47:18.320
gonna find information and evidence associated
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.619
with something that happened decades before.
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:25.300
I just find this to be outrageous. And then all
00:47:25.300 --> 00:47:27.880
of the talk about her marrying her brother and
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.909
shit like that. You know, it puts you in the
00:47:30.909 --> 00:47:33.329
mind of the Haitians are eating cats narrative.
00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:36.090
Totally. It's like this foreigner is doing something
00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:38.949
that's very foreign. And we in the federal government
00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:41.670
are just pursuing the law and checking it to
00:47:41.670 --> 00:47:44.239
nonsense. I don't believe this at all. By the
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.400
way, this is like, it's lawfare is just like
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.519
the kind that Republicans complained about being
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.980
done against Trump. Yes. It's exactly the same
00:47:51.980 --> 00:47:53.820
kind of shit. And look, you're totally right.
00:47:53.900 --> 00:47:57.039
Look, if Ilhan Omar, even if she had the same
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.679
exact color of her skin and skin features and
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.980
facial features that she has now, but let's just
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:04.820
say she, you know, didn't have a headscarf. Let's
00:48:04.820 --> 00:48:08.889
just say she dressed like Hillary Clinton. Or
00:48:08.889 --> 00:48:13.789
Amy Klobuchar. They wouldn't be going after her,
00:48:13.929 --> 00:48:15.769
right? I mean, it's the fact that they're able
00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:18.789
to otherize her because she looks a little different.
00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:22.250
And, you know, I mean, literally it's ridiculous.
00:48:22.389 --> 00:48:25.969
One piece of cloth in their upper ass. And, I
00:48:25.969 --> 00:48:29.260
mean, part of me thinks, I mean, I got to say,
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.179
when I see Democrats go, you know, kind of like
00:48:32.179 --> 00:48:35.699
just accept this shit, it amazes me. Like Ted
00:48:35.699 --> 00:48:39.139
Cruz. You know, he's always on his Twitter feed,
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.400
libeling and defaming Democrats, you know, and
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.179
saying things that are just outrageously not
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:50.420
true. Like he claimed today that Saeed in Michigan
00:48:50.420 --> 00:48:53.500
has direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. In
00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:56.519
other words, implying him, you know, implying
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.360
him with a State Department. designated terrorist
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.019
organization. I don't personally consider the
00:49:02.019 --> 00:49:04.179
Muslim Brotherhood to be terrorists at all, just
00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:06.639
to be clear here. But from Ted Cruz's point of
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.360
view, right, he's saying that. Saeed should sue
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:16.099
for defamation. Similarly, you know, Omar should
00:49:16.099 --> 00:49:19.519
absolutely, she should sue. She should be like,
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.260
I'm not, I mean, Trump would sue and he'd be
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:25.880
right. You know, Democrats, like, I mean, I understand
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.800
the Streisand effect. Better than most. But like,
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.639
you know, you're giving air to an accusation
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.320
that most people might never have seen in the
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.860
first place. And you might make it worse rather
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:40.860
than just ignore it and hope it goes away. But,
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:45.099
you know, I mean, Bill Clinton and James Carville
00:49:45.099 --> 00:49:48.260
in 1992, he came out with, you know, they had
00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:50.320
this whole war room approach to the campaign.
00:49:51.070 --> 00:49:53.030
Anytime something comes out, whether it's true
00:49:53.030 --> 00:49:55.789
or false, we come out strong against it and we
00:49:55.789 --> 00:50:00.369
swat it like guacamole. That's the right way.
00:50:00.530 --> 00:50:04.190
That's the right approach. Agreed. I don't think
00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.690
that would make it worse. I think a lawsuit is
00:50:06.690 --> 00:50:08.010
kind of making the point of saying this shit
00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:10.670
is false and I'm willing to fight this in court
00:50:10.670 --> 00:50:13.010
in order to get across as false. I don't know
00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:14.809
how that works with a political campaign. That
00:50:14.809 --> 00:50:16.050
might be a little bit difficult to pull off,
00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:17.730
but I agree with you. Trump would have sued.
00:50:19.530 --> 00:50:21.789
trying to associate me with a group that's designated
00:50:21.789 --> 00:50:23.809
as a terrorist group you're trying to basically
00:50:23.809 --> 00:50:26.250
say because i'm muslim i'm a terrorist that's
00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:28.809
obviously outrageous which is what he's trying
00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:30.630
to do that's the insinuation that he's trying
00:50:30.630 --> 00:50:33.010
to make well el saeed is a terrorist he's obviously
00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:35.920
a terrorist he's muslim look at him that's what
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.619
he's trying to you know that's the whole point
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:40.320
of that association that he's effectively trying
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.900
to make which is so deeply racist and maybe that's
00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:45.460
why pete hicks have thought it would be perfectly
00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:47.980
okay to shoot a man in a wheelchair It's like,
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.440
yeah, Trump will be for it. He's a man's man.
00:50:50.619 --> 00:50:52.579
He'll be for this. This is, you know, great and
00:50:52.579 --> 00:50:55.880
aggressive. By the way, I've been thinking about
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.440
that. We talked about it yesterday. We don't
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.900
need to belabor it. But, I mean, you know, my
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.260
mind works in the, often things run in the background.
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.980
And I still find it incredible that Trump did
00:51:06.980 --> 00:51:10.420
not know he was in a wheelchair. Like, I mean,
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:14.699
like, he was asked to sign off on this. Like,
00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:18.239
literally, like. Mr. President, hey, so you remember
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.159
the Fort Hood shooter? Maybe, maybe not, but
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.800
he's a guy. He did this. He killed these 13 soldiers.
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.300
Hey, so we're going to, we want to, we want to
00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:29.389
execute him by firing squad. You cool? And they
00:51:29.389 --> 00:51:31.710
had him sign something that said like, okay,
00:51:31.769 --> 00:51:35.780
death warrant, December 3rd. So in that signing,
00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:39.579
no one tells the president like, oh, like there's
00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:42.320
this detail and there's that detail. Like, no.
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.880
I mean, and I just I mean, the reason I ask this
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:48.280
is not because of the issue at hand, but like
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.920
it really calls into question the decision making
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:55.400
process in the Oval Office on everything. I mean,
00:51:55.420 --> 00:52:00.179
is he not getting briefed on like in detail on
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:03.320
everything he signs? He's not because the president
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.480
doesn't read. Like, don't take my word for this,
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.619
reporting. But couldn't there be someone, couldn't
00:52:08.619 --> 00:52:11.760
they get some hot, busty blonde to, like, read
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.039
the bullet points to him? Well, the dumb press
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.000
secretary, you've seen her. Oh, God. She's dumb
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.039
as a box of rocks, but gorgeous. She's the worst.
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:24.139
Yeah, but gorgeous, but dumb. And it's like,
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:28.539
but... She makes all her predecessors look like
00:52:28.539 --> 00:52:31.340
geniuses. Yeah, which is a problem, right? Because
00:52:31.340 --> 00:52:33.260
you want somebody who's effective at communicating
00:52:33.260 --> 00:52:35.880
in that spot. it's not about her looks, it's
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.340
about her ability to communicate. He seems to
00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:42.599
get on his back, right? Like a Kaja Kalas. Kaja
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.539
is even more effective in her communication than
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:49.219
this woman is. Right. But no, the reporting is
00:52:49.219 --> 00:52:51.579
Donald Trump doesn't really read. They give Donald
00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:54.000
Trump pictures and images of stuff blowing up
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:55.679
and Donald Trump thinks that that's the world.
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:57.500
Which is why when Trump comes out and saying,
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:59.860
I don't know why you fake media keep saying I'm
00:52:59.860 --> 00:53:02.090
losing the war. because in his mind what he's
00:53:02.090 --> 00:53:04.369
been shown is hey stuff is blowing up everything's
00:53:04.369 --> 00:53:08.070
going great he doesn't know he's dumb he he doesn't
00:53:08.070 --> 00:53:13.210
read right meaning the fact that he didn't know
00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:17.199
that i mean i get that he doesn't read i mean
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.380
i get that he doesn't read i remember my father
00:53:19.380 --> 00:53:22.190
telling me that reagan had a new diktat back
00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:24.789
at the back in the 80s that like no matt he wouldn't
00:53:24.789 --> 00:53:27.449
read any memo longer than a page and no cheating
00:53:27.449 --> 00:53:30.489
with like you know like no margins or you know
00:53:30.489 --> 00:53:33.530
smaller smaller type or you know like no cheating
00:53:33.530 --> 00:53:37.309
you know like you know increasing with the kerning
00:53:37.309 --> 00:53:39.989
and the letting like no nothing like that um
00:53:39.989 --> 00:53:44.460
and so i get that he doesn't read but still isn't
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:46.340
there someone who should just sit there like
00:53:46.340 --> 00:53:49.199
like i remember like i was And, you know, I was
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.639
my basically my boss's number two at the bank.
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.679
And, you know, I would bring up something to
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:58.260
sign and I'd be like, all right, so this is who
00:53:58.260 --> 00:54:00.960
it's to. This is what it's for. This is when
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.980
it's due. This is how much the interest rate
00:54:02.980 --> 00:54:07.760
is. You know, here's the risk factors. You know,
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.599
here's what might go wrong. Here's what will
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.000
probably not go wrong. And then, you know, and
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.099
it would only take like a minute or two. And
00:54:16.099 --> 00:54:18.099
he doesn't have someone like that say, by the
00:54:18.099 --> 00:54:20.079
way, the dude's in a wheelchair and it's going
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.420
to be on TV. So, you know, people might raise
00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:24.559
questions. Really? That didn't come up. I just
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.219
did that in 30 seconds. But Trump didn't hire
00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:32.949
people for their competence. He might start a
00:54:32.949 --> 00:54:34.750
nuclear war without being fully briefed. You
00:54:34.750 --> 00:54:36.929
know what I mean? It's like, yeah, no, it's terrifying.
00:54:37.449 --> 00:54:41.250
He's incompetent. Or is he fully briefed? Or
00:54:41.250 --> 00:54:44.289
is it an and or situation? Is he fully briefed?
00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:48.949
And he's too fucking stupid to remember or internalize
00:54:48.949 --> 00:54:51.949
the shit that he hears. There's some things where
00:54:51.949 --> 00:54:54.269
Trump comes out and he seems well -prepared in
00:54:54.269 --> 00:54:56.789
order to deliver. Like when he came out and said,
00:54:56.829 --> 00:54:59.130
Zelensky keeps his own refineries. I told him
00:54:59.130 --> 00:55:00.710
to stop. He's blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we got
00:55:00.710 --> 00:55:02.230
to talk about that. He seemed well -prepared.
00:55:02.329 --> 00:55:04.150
He knew exactly what he was going to say. And
00:55:04.150 --> 00:55:05.650
he said it. Now, whether or not there was something
00:55:05.650 --> 00:55:07.769
rolling in his head as he was saying it of understanding,
00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:11.869
who knows? He's just like, oh, my new press secretary
00:55:11.869 --> 00:55:15.869
has nice boobs. Right. Yeah, I think he understands
00:55:15.869 --> 00:55:18.710
that. But in regards to what's happening around
00:55:18.710 --> 00:55:21.469
the world, I don't think that he fully understands.
00:55:21.909 --> 00:55:23.949
Like even with the Russia stuff, where Trump
00:55:23.949 --> 00:55:27.530
is like, well, we made this deal, or the very
00:55:27.530 --> 00:55:30.329
least reporting was that the deal that Trump
00:55:30.329 --> 00:55:33.050
made with Putin, in some part, was to try to
00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:35.909
get Russia closer to the US in order to sit down
00:55:35.909 --> 00:55:38.550
and make a deal or try to come to a deal. The
00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:39.869
terms of the deal that they were putting in the
00:55:39.869 --> 00:55:42.369
Washington Post was the same nonsense that they
00:55:42.369 --> 00:55:44.369
were putting out before. It's dead on arrival.
00:55:44.710 --> 00:55:47.949
Now, does Trump understand why it's dead on arrival?
00:55:48.269 --> 00:55:51.659
I don't think he does. I don't think he understands
00:55:51.659 --> 00:55:54.440
the stuff. I guess part of it is personnel, it's
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:56.800
policy. And if you hire a bunch of yes -men as
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.139
your personnel, then you're just, you are not
00:56:00.139 --> 00:56:02.519
in a position to be able to make good decisions.
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.039
We got to talk about the Ukraine situation. By
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.360
the way, just a confirmation, Stephen Kinzer,
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.769
the author of Boiling Point, How America... uh
00:56:12.769 --> 00:56:15.909
brought war to ukraine is going to be here on
00:56:15.909 --> 00:56:20.090
d program either november 4th or november 5th
00:56:20.090 --> 00:56:22.190
uh we're going to get the details on that but
00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:23.909
i've been i've been talking to his publicist
00:56:23.909 --> 00:56:26.949
and it's it's it's a good read uh by the way
00:56:26.949 --> 00:56:29.909
he they should have sent you the pdf yesterday
00:56:29.909 --> 00:56:32.309
i haven't seen the pdfs for that book let me
00:56:32.309 --> 00:56:34.489
let me check though all right i'll i'll i'll
00:56:34.489 --> 00:56:36.670
double i'll follow up again if they didn't let
00:56:36.670 --> 00:56:41.010
me know right boiling point yeah stephen kinzer
00:56:41.010 --> 00:56:46.059
um best -selling author um okay so basically
00:56:46.059 --> 00:56:49.599
you know the main topic today was whether ukraine
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.960
and and the united states are finally breaking
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.199
up it's been kind of a awkward partnership at
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:59.619
times um trump announced this fake energy ceasefire
00:56:59.619 --> 00:57:02.440
um basically obviously it didn't happen both
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.119
sides traded exchanges nevertheless um and then
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.739
um starlink star um star shield which is elon
00:57:09.739 --> 00:57:13.239
musk's satellite system part of which provides
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.800
the internet to rural parts of Ukraine on behalf
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:19.900
of the United States government. We pay for it
00:57:19.900 --> 00:57:23.480
with our tax dollars. That system was throttled
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.960
yesterday, where suddenly objects like drones
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.880
that moved over 100 miles per hour suddenly no
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.980
longer receiving signals. Zelensky and his people
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:37.710
were furious. They said that it left. uh ukraine
00:57:37.710 --> 00:57:40.349
more vulnerable to attack from the russians uh
00:57:40.349 --> 00:57:42.170
and in fact the russians have been drawing more
00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:44.750
blood than usual um with their drone attacks
00:57:44.750 --> 00:57:48.670
um but also the russians have unveiled new um
00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:51.530
you know jet propelled drones that are more effective
00:57:51.530 --> 00:57:54.349
uh nevertheless so it's kind of a mix of those
00:57:54.349 --> 00:57:57.889
things but anyway uh zelensky accused the white
00:57:57.889 --> 00:58:02.449
house and or musk of trying to subtly threaten
00:58:02.449 --> 00:58:06.960
um ukraine by basically throttling start the
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.400
starlink system and uh you know like we're we're
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.480
turning we're sort of turning you off a little
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.840
bit to rate you know sort of pull it the choke
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.519
collar on the dog um i don't know i mean there
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.320
may be something to this but it does seem like
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.900
you know from that exchange in the white house
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:28.099
with jd vance and uh zielinski this was never
00:58:28.099 --> 00:58:30.239
this was not a marriage that was meant to last
00:58:31.010 --> 00:58:34.469
um and uh i think we're beginning to see this
00:58:34.469 --> 00:58:37.250
the strains to the point where this might be
00:58:37.250 --> 00:58:39.449
i don't know is this the beginning of the end
00:58:39.449 --> 00:58:45.730
or does this continue i don't know i mean i mean
00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:46.949
there are a few things about this that's weird
00:58:46.949 --> 00:58:49.929
i mean for one ukraine can't hit refineries without
00:58:49.929 --> 00:58:51.630
the united states assistance in hitting those
00:58:51.630 --> 00:58:54.489
refineries it's not like they can do this on
00:58:54.489 --> 00:58:57.090
their own right and yet a refinery went up in
00:58:57.090 --> 00:58:59.989
smoke yesterday that ukraine apparently hit so
00:59:00.570 --> 00:59:02.730
Does the president not have control over the
00:59:02.730 --> 00:59:06.670
CIA and the entities that is effectively assisting
00:59:06.670 --> 00:59:09.489
Ukraine in hitting refineries? Does he not have
00:59:09.489 --> 00:59:11.530
the power to tell them to stop? Does he not have
00:59:11.530 --> 00:59:13.269
the power to pull the CIA out? Does he not have
00:59:13.269 --> 00:59:15.449
the power to stop sharing intelligence that would
00:59:15.449 --> 00:59:17.409
allow them to hit refineries? Because, again,
00:59:17.489 --> 00:59:19.349
they hit one yesterday despite Trump claiming,
00:59:19.489 --> 00:59:23.510
hey, I need you to stop doing that. Two, there
00:59:23.710 --> 00:59:25.389
are two interesting points of the Starlink thing.
00:59:25.769 --> 00:59:30.710
A, Elon Musk came out. and made a statement on
00:59:30.710 --> 00:59:33.389
this apparently and he says star show systems
00:59:33.389 --> 00:59:37.289
uh right here star system system star shield
00:59:37.289 --> 00:59:39.769
systems are owned and controlled by the government
00:59:39.769 --> 00:59:42.750
of the united states any limits on speed or usage
00:59:42.750 --> 00:59:45.789
are decided by the u .s military and ultimately
00:59:45.789 --> 00:59:48.150
the president of the united states basically
00:59:48.150 --> 00:59:52.639
look we are it's not me i've rented this out
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:54.480
to the u .s military the u .s military makes
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:56.760
the determination about what happens in regards
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.429
to limits on the system. I believe Musk 100%.
01:00:00.429 --> 01:00:03.150
Yeah, I believe him completely, right? I don't
01:00:03.150 --> 01:00:04.550
believe for a moment that Elon Musk is sitting
01:00:04.550 --> 01:00:05.949
around trying to figure out whether he wants
01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:08.929
to turn up or down the system for Starlink. The
01:00:08.929 --> 01:00:12.230
second thing is these systems were obviously
01:00:12.230 --> 01:00:15.969
being used as offensive military capacity. Because
01:00:15.969 --> 01:00:17.909
otherwise, why would Zelensky bring that up saying,
01:00:18.130 --> 01:00:21.289
hey, you shut us down if indeed you weren't using
01:00:21.289 --> 01:00:23.789
it to attack? Starlink is a commercial service
01:00:23.789 --> 01:00:26.750
owned and controlled by SpaceX. Usage. of the
01:00:26.750 --> 01:00:30.309
defensive activities and cannot be used for offensive
01:00:30.309 --> 01:00:32.809
military actions as doing so will be inappropriate
01:00:32.809 --> 01:00:36.989
for a commercial company basically look we're
01:00:36.989 --> 01:00:39.650
private entity we're not involved in offensive
01:00:39.650 --> 01:00:42.309
operations because if we were the russians may
01:00:42.309 --> 01:00:45.349
consider us a target and go after our system
01:00:45.349 --> 01:00:47.670
so just want to know we're private entity we're
01:00:47.670 --> 01:00:51.889
not doing that but obviously they are The Russians
01:00:51.889 --> 01:00:54.409
have found missiles that had Starlink information
01:00:54.409 --> 01:00:57.090
built into the systems. The Russians know that
01:00:57.090 --> 01:00:58.989
Starlink is being used as an offensive weapon.
01:00:59.409 --> 01:01:02.949
They also read the New York Times. They read
01:01:02.949 --> 01:01:05.429
the New York Times. And Zelensky out here screaming,
01:01:05.650 --> 01:01:07.409
hey, wait a minute. We were trying offensive
01:01:07.409 --> 01:01:12.199
operations as we normally do. And they were inhibited
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.519
because you turned down our capability of using
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.699
our missile systems. Which means that this was
01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:19.909
something that they were doing before. And that
01:01:19.909 --> 01:01:21.989
has now somehow been inhibited, in which case
01:01:21.989 --> 01:01:24.050
they're not able to do. Elon Musk coming out
01:01:24.050 --> 01:01:27.210
saying, hey, we're not in for offensive actions
01:01:27.210 --> 01:01:30.190
is nonsense. Zelensky wouldn't be out here screaming
01:01:30.190 --> 01:01:34.230
about it if indeed that was true prior. Meaning,
01:01:34.489 --> 01:01:36.309
obviously, Starlink is being used for offensive
01:01:36.309 --> 01:01:39.130
operations. There's that. They obviously were
01:01:39.130 --> 01:01:40.849
turned down for some particular reason, which
01:01:40.849 --> 01:01:42.909
seems to be coming from the White House. There's
01:01:42.909 --> 01:01:45.329
that. And then the catch becomes, OK, well, why
01:01:45.329 --> 01:01:47.170
is he turning this down? Is it in order to put
01:01:47.170 --> 01:01:50.969
pressure on Zelensky? The last part I want to
01:01:50.969 --> 01:01:53.880
make the point of also. Sounds like it. The last
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:56.639
part is, for all of this talk about Americans,
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.840
like in the way that the newspapers repeat it,
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.559
like Donald Trump is sitting on the outside of
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.420
the war and it's Ukraine fighting the war. Well,
01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:06.780
Ukraine was screaming about the fact that they
01:02:06.780 --> 01:02:08.380
weren't getting intel for the missiles that were
01:02:08.380 --> 01:02:10.360
landing in Kiev because they weren't apparently,
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:12.980
Zelensky was saying there was no warning to the
01:02:12.980 --> 01:02:14.639
missile systems that were hitting Kiev. Russia
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.380
has been hitting Kiev every day around the clock.
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:20.019
The last attack that they hit was a power plant
01:02:20.019 --> 01:02:21.980
that took down, I think it's like 600 ,000 people
01:02:21.980 --> 01:02:25.860
without power. Like Kiev just went black when
01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:29.059
they hit it. And so his thing was, well, we didn't
01:02:29.059 --> 01:02:31.159
know that these attacks were coming because there
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.360
was no intel being shared by our, quote, allies,
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:35.719
meaning the U .S. intel us. So what that means
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.780
is, A, the U .S. is completely, Ukraine is completely
01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:41.820
reliant upon the United States telling it when
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:44.440
missiles or drones are coming in. So they're.
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.119
Air defense is entirely tethered to the U .S.
01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:51.440
and B, the U .S. is entirely instrumental in
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.980
missiles flying into Russia, hitting their targets,
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:55.880
which is, again, evident by the fact that the
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:57.900
U .S. turned down Starlink, which means that
01:02:57.900 --> 01:03:01.159
Ukraine could launch their attacks. How on earth
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:02.960
is America saying they're not party to this war?
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.360
Like your entire air defense system is dependent
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.000
upon the U .S. and your capacity to strike is
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:12.400
dependent upon the U .S. How does the U .S. argue
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.570
that they are not fighting the Russians? Well,
01:03:15.690 --> 01:03:17.869
I mean, they can't. I mean, I don't think nobody
01:03:17.869 --> 01:03:21.329
believes it. I mean, including the president's
01:03:21.329 --> 01:03:24.829
supporters here at home. I mean, I mean, look,
01:03:24.929 --> 01:03:27.869
you don't see as many Ukrainian flags, you know,
01:03:27.869 --> 01:03:31.050
all over the place the way we did, you know,
01:03:31.050 --> 01:03:34.510
in liberal democratic enclaves. That seems to
01:03:34.510 --> 01:03:36.730
be part of it is just the fact that it was Biden's
01:03:36.730 --> 01:03:40.190
war and then and now it's Trump's war. And that
01:03:40.190 --> 01:03:44.130
sort of softens up the support. But also, I mean,
01:03:44.150 --> 01:03:47.510
it all ties into the narrative that we talked
01:03:47.510 --> 01:03:50.250
about earlier in the show. You know, the U .S.
01:03:50.250 --> 01:03:53.269
is squandering billions of dollars in part to
01:03:53.269 --> 01:03:55.650
blow up other people overseas. And meanwhile,
01:03:55.869 --> 01:03:59.170
Americans are in trouble here at home. And Ukraine
01:03:59.170 --> 01:04:02.710
is part of that. And also, even if you don't
01:04:02.710 --> 01:04:04.690
believe any of that or you don't care about any
01:04:04.690 --> 01:04:07.179
of that. I mean, you've got to look at the calendar
01:04:07.179 --> 01:04:10.039
and say, okay, this war is now in its glorious
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:13.920
fifth year, and it's all been fought on Ukrainian
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:17.440
soil. There's no, you know, sure, they lobbed
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.760
some projectiles across the border, but the Ukrainians,
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:23.739
there's no world in which the Ukrainians are
01:04:23.739 --> 01:04:28.659
going to recapture the Donbass and Crimea. They're
01:04:28.659 --> 01:04:30.420
not going to be whole again. They're not going
01:04:30.420 --> 01:04:34.019
back to their pre -2014 borders. They're not.
01:04:35.590 --> 01:04:39.449
they've lost and you know i think americans it's
01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:42.570
like if their sports team is losing they tend
01:04:42.570 --> 01:04:45.530
to not show up for the games anymore i think
01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:47.610
it's just all about killing at this point seriously
01:04:47.610 --> 01:04:50.889
i think this is all about how many people can
01:04:50.889 --> 01:04:54.030
we kill and by we i mean the west the west at
01:04:54.030 --> 01:04:59.610
large because for us it's like it's its own reward
01:04:59.610 --> 01:05:03.550
yeah for sure because i think there's also uh
01:05:03.550 --> 01:05:07.230
honestly the defense business is loving the opportunity
01:05:07.230 --> 01:05:11.190
to test out all sorts of new gadgets you know
01:05:11.190 --> 01:05:14.489
it's a it's the first true drone war and anti
01:05:14.489 --> 01:05:17.510
-drone technology this is about testing new weapon
01:05:17.510 --> 01:05:20.230
systems more than anything else but tell me think
01:05:20.230 --> 01:05:22.789
about this i mean you're student of history edward
01:05:22.789 --> 01:05:25.489
longshanks edward ii once famously said the only
01:05:25.489 --> 01:05:27.389
thing wrong with scotland is that's full of scots
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:30.659
Well, if Ukraine, if the only thing wrong with
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:34.039
Ukraine is it's full of Ukrainians, what do you
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:35.880
do with them? Give some to the meat grinder.
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:40.300
I mean, you got this huge piece of land the size
01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:43.820
of Texas that's rich in resources, and you can't
01:05:43.820 --> 01:05:45.280
get it because those pesky people are there.
01:05:45.739 --> 01:05:47.260
Well, I don't think the people are there anymore.
01:05:47.619 --> 01:05:49.440
Yeah, I don't buy that. I don't think that they
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:50.780
want to just kill just for the sake of killing.
01:05:51.150 --> 01:05:54.030
Oh, I do. I think they're drunk on blood. Listen,
01:05:54.150 --> 01:05:57.889
we're talking about executing a dude in a wheelchair.
01:05:58.190 --> 01:05:59.909
Laura Loomer's like, we need to gag him so he
01:05:59.909 --> 01:06:02.789
can't say Allah Akbar when they pull the trigger.
01:06:03.809 --> 01:06:07.409
I mean, seriously, our government is drunk on
01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:10.230
blood. That cow should shut the fuck up. Agree.
01:06:11.909 --> 01:06:14.349
Deport that heifer. Yeah, deport that heifer.
01:06:14.989 --> 01:06:20.400
Deport that heifer. Look, I don't think we care
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:22.840
about killing. And I don't think the human life
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.000
matters. But I don't think we just kill just
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:27.599
for the sake of killing. Like, it costs money
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.280
to kill. Right? Like, I hate to say that that's
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.820
our hedge. But I don't think, look, I don't think
01:06:33.820 --> 01:06:36.139
they care if Ukrainians die. But I don't think
01:06:36.139 --> 01:06:37.659
they started the war for the point of Ukrainians
01:06:37.659 --> 01:06:39.739
dying. If anything, I think this has more to
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do with, at this point, as Ted pointed out, weapons,
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meaning the amount of money that they can make
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on selling them. You have the Trump family members
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that are all in. making money on this. In fact,
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there was a CBS report, CBS just reported on
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the amount of money that Donald Trump was effectively
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making off this war, using his family members
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as a way of a gateway into it. So I think people
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are making a killing on the war. I think they're
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making a huge amount of money off of it. I mean,
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I don't think that they would just kill just
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for the sake of killing. And if they wanted access
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to - Every war is fought for economic reasons.
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Yeah, there's usually reasons behind it. It's
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not just - it calls the bull it calls the dollar
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it calls money to make bullets it calls money
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i get it no i get it but again if you're to go
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if you want to export the land well then you
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got to do something to the people there you can
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do the israeli model but you can't if you're
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a civilized european wait what do you think who
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do you who who i'm talking about the people i'm
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talking about the people who are running the
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eu and nato they know but they had already overthrown
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the government of ukraine if they want access
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to the territory they had it Yeah, I agree. It's
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not like the Russians got involved immediately.
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Putin waited for like eight years, nearly a decade
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before getting involved. If they wanted to exploit
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the land, they could have done so. Could they
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have? Because even dogs got us pride. You got
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to do something with that dog. You think Zelensky
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and these guys, I don't think, you think the
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European leaders have pride? I think that they
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have greed. The last one who had pride was de
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Gaulle. Yeah, I don't think they do. I think
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really what this is about, Ukraine was overwhelmingly
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a Christian Orthodox country, even after the
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imposed atheism from the Soviet Union. This is
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about filling body bags as quickly as they possibly
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can for profit. And once the lands are depopulated,
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:33.479
you got to move other people in. Who are those
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:35.380
other people going to be? The people who are
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able to do the machine. Who are these other people?
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oh germans french italians i mean there's plenty
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of people from western europe who go in and actually
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they think they're going to leapfrog over eastern
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europe and uh sort of do a laban's their own
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:54.760
laban's round version um settle the east who's
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going to stop them serious questions putin is
01:09:00.180 --> 01:09:03.560
too much of a person underemployed from from
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southern france moving to ukraine you tell the
01:09:06.739 --> 01:09:10.680
two million dead ukrainians that putin is a you
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:14.710
tell them i already have and you know what if
01:09:14.710 --> 01:09:16.529
putin was serious about winning this war this
01:09:16.529 --> 01:09:20.029
war been over three years ago he's too cautious
01:09:20.029 --> 01:09:23.229
he's very cautious he's too cautious and the
01:09:23.229 --> 01:09:25.229
thing is no there would not be two million dead
01:09:25.229 --> 01:09:27.970
ukrainians right now if russia had if the russians
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fought this war the way that needed to be fought
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he could have saved a lot more lives than what
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he has because he's too cautious but he also
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would have lost more lives And he would have
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also lost any opportunity to, I don't think,
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for example, the Chinese would be in bed with
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him now if he had gone that route. At least not
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in the beginning. Now, there's leeway. Well,
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here's the thing. So China has two options. You
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can either work with the Russians or you can
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work with the Americans. Of the two of them,
01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.420
it's the United States that's trying to split
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Taiwan off of your country, make it to a permanent
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military base. It's already split off. And then
01:10:06.100 --> 01:10:09.159
you come out with Congress and presidents saying
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that China is not a rival, not a competitor,
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but an enemy. And then you have Russia up here
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:17.859
saying, hey, you know, we. We have mutual interests
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here. Maybe we can work together. You can do
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as you will with Korea. Do as you will with Taiwan.
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It's kind of like objectively. China is still
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the China Valley. All right, let's call it a
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show. Thank you, everyone, for watching. Appreciate
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you. We'll be back for the full two hours tomorrow,
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